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Russian industrialization 2.0: everything is like in China

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Fighting stereotypes - the author has already devoted a whole series of articles to this topic. The time has come to overcome another stereotype, which, as a result, very few people will refuse. So firmly he entered our lives. With him comfortable and familiar. It is good to parasitize and be considered an "expert." Who would just refuse such a thing?

Meanwhile, I propose to plunge into history, not so distant - the history of China, which has become a world standard. He is the measure of how to do it. Why? Yes, because he achieved a result that hit the whole world. Meanwhile, the mass of experts in the field of economics gives Russia (and we will talk about it in the article) a lot of space stupidity advice.

Why nonsense? Yes, because the economy never tolerates haste and inconsistency. And the inconsistency of advisers is so obvious that their "deep" knowledge gives me doubts.

Now in Russia there is a perception that the country's leadership absolutely in vain planted it on a raw needle and that, in the end, this will result in backwardness for it. On the contrary, they advise to invest in advanced technologies (mechanical engineering, electronics, IT, etc.) and on this build a country development strategy.

All this was evident in the 1980-90-s, when China began to build its economy of the future. But he did not begin with this.

Basic human needs

Few people remember that the first thing that the PRC leadership was concerned about was agriculture. The goal was to feed the country and make it independent from the supply of food from outside. It is agriculture that has always been China’s top priority, beginning with the end of the 1970, when farmers were allowed to work under market conditions with Chinese characteristics.

Meeting basic human needs is the basis of independence. If a country depends on food supply, then no nanoproduct and super-electronics will make it strong and influential. The example of Japan, which essentially remained a semi-colony of the United States, is so significant that it would be worth studying it in Russian schools.

At the same time, it should be understood that Japan is rich and prosperous only because the USA needs a strong and loyal ally in the region, and it is possible to smash the economy of an island state with one stroke of the pen of the American president. Those who set Japan as an example for Russia are stubbornly trying to circumvent this issue, and it is in fact the most important.

Russia, follow the path of Japan, it will be exactly the same dependent country. Japan did not become rich not against the will of the owner, but because of his will, and it’s foolish and ... unworthy for Russia to hope for this favor.

By the way, the first investments of the government and foreigners in China went into the chemical industry, namely, in the production of fertilizers, as a result of which, already in 1990, China became their largest producer.

Basic industries as the foundation of any industry

The second thing that preoccupied China’s leadership was the creation of basic industries: energy, metallurgy, chemical production (the part that does not concern fertilizers).

In the network there is a perception that the leadership of China in 1990-e was engaged in the development of light industry. This stereotype is very tenacious, but incorrect. Chinese down jackets were sewn in thousands of rural manufactories and cooperatives. But this was never the goal or the result of the actions of the PRC leadership. At that time, it was engaged in completely different matters. And it is not by chance that, according to expert estimates, up to the millennium slice, up to 30% of China's light industry was in the shadow, that is, it was not controlled at all by the central government.

By the way, Beijing did not invent anything new here. China adopted the experience of the USSR, namely, Stalin’s industrialization, and simply adapted it to its own conditions.

The PRC leadership was well aware that not down jackets and pantaloons could do a real economic miracle, but the basic industries that the rest of the industry relies on. As basic industries always rely on energy.

The industrial pyramid has not yet been able to cancel any country in the world. Britain XIX-XX centuries. relied on Cardiff coal. The USA in the 20th century - for cheap Texas oil, the economic power of the USSR during Stalin's times on Donbass coal and Baku oil (then on oil and gas from other regions of the country, Kuzbass and Ekibastuz coal).

The main energy heart of China has become coal. Moreover, we must understand that the industrialization of China began not in 1980-x, but much earlier. The growth of coal production during the reign of the Chinese Communist Party is simply colossal and has no analogs in history:

1949 year - 32 million tons;

1978 year - 618 million tons (the year when Deng Xiaoping proclaimed a new economic course);

2012 year - 3650 million tons.


More than a hundred times in 63 of the year and almost 6 times in the time of the “reforms”.

Coal is needed not by itself, but in order to generate electricity. It is electricity that is the blood of modern industry, and I am very amused by “experts” who recommend Russia to work hard to reduce energy consumption and prove their case with the figures of the “energy efficiency” of the European economy. One would like to ask these gentlemen: is Russia in the situation of Europe to take an example from it, or is it in the situation of China, but a decade ago?

Meanwhile, the growth in power generation is also astounding:

In 1978, Chinese power plants produced 250 billion kWh of electricity;

In 2000, already 1 308 billion kWh.

And already in 2014, electricity production in China amounted to 6 500 billion kWh.

And this is understandable. Aluminum production by energy efficiency compared to drawing pictures or the production of rare varieties of wine is meaningless. The Boguchanskaya hydropower plant on the Angara, for example, will produce up to 3 GW of electricity, which, in the main, will be consumed by the Boguchansky aluminum plant built in 2015, the raw materials for which will be carried from everywhere. And how to make a plane without aluminum, and to make aluminum - without energy?

By the way, in the first decade of the 21st century, China increased the production of winged metal by a factor of four, which laid the foundation for the development of many branches of engineering. Strange, why "experts" do not admire about this?

Everyone "knows" that China is intensively developing electronics and mechanical engineering. They write about it, they admire it, they set it as an example, and, meanwhile, China is great not with it, but with steelmaking. And they have become very cheap, which compensates for wage growth:

Russian industrialization 2.0: everything is like in China


As we see, growth began to accelerate slowly, but surely from the very beginning of the reforms of Deng Xiaoping. And in 1990-x laid the foundation for future growth. The fact is that in China steel smelting has traditionally been produced by thousands of small enterprises scattered throughout the country. It was very inefficient. Already in the beginning of 2000-x created the prerequisites for the accelerated growth of the industry, on the basis of new giants, which replaced the outdated production.

In 2005-07 in China, obsolete capacities twice as large as those that Ukraine had at the same time were closed.

By the way, in 2012, almost 10% of China-made steel was exported.

We will look at the path of Russia in the 21st century in the second part of the article. For the time being, draw your own conclusions, and we will proceed to consider the third stage of the Chinese economic miracle.

High Value Products

Chinese cars, Chinese electronics, Chinese ..., Chinese ... As is already customary. But to all this miracle of all 10-15 years. Back in the recent year 2000, a lot of jokes circulated about this. As the house stands on the foundation, so the Chinese industries with high added value stand firmly on the achievements of Chinese miners, power engineers, metallurgists. Moreover, the leadership of China is still most concerned not with selling its goods abroad, but with access to resources. The Chinese economy has overtaken the growth of the domestic raw material base, and this is one of the main risks of the Chinese economy.

In order not to be unfounded, we give statistics.

The production of cars in China in the 1999 year was only 1,2 million units, that is, about the same as in the 1992 year (1 million units). The industry has grown rapidly in the 21 century: 2005 year - 5,71 million units, 2010 year - 18,06 million units, 2014 year - 23,72 million units.

And so everywhere. In world shipbuilding, from 2010 to 2015, China’s share increased from 20% to 40% in a year. The overwhelming number of leaders of the IT-market and the electronics market in general emerged after 2000.

Thus, the spasmodic growth of mechanical engineering began in the first years of the new millennium and reached a peak in 10-15 years.
China has a lot to learn, but it also has mistakes that need to be avoided by copying its path of success. We will discuss this in the second part of the article when we raise the issue of the Russian economy of the 21st century. It follows its own, but very similar, path of industrial growth, under which an energy, infrastructure and raw material foundation is being laid right now.
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  1. RESEARCHER
    RESEARCHER 3 January 2016 17: 51
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    Pour and discuss.
    1. vlad66
      vlad66 3 January 2016 17: 59
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      Quote: RESEARCHER
      Pour and discuss.

      And what to discuss is that China found Deng Xiao Ping, who crushed tanks of pro-Western Chinese Democrats on Tiananmen Square, and we fought for power, Mikhailo Mechenyi and Borka Alconaut, who defeated Russia and plunged into such a swamp that we still cannot get out.
      1. moskowit
        moskowit 3 January 2016 18: 30
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        "Michal marked", as you write, did not even try to fight "Boris ...", but gave up power as a result of complete failure. And by and large we are all to blame. True, the transfer of power was due to the inertness of the people, their apoliticality, almost non-shedding of blood and unarmed confrontation. Now the People, as a result of "non-resistance to evil, violence" has what it has. And now there is nothing to groan. "All sisters have earrings." Some villas on the Cote d'Azur, some overnight stays on heating mains ... am am am
        1. Mahmut
          Mahmut 3 January 2016 18: 50
          +1
          As the house stands on the foundation, so do high-value-added Chinese industries stand firmly on the achievements of Chinese miners, power engineers, and metallurgists.

          And what salaries do Chinese miners, power engineers, and metallurgists receive? One of the lowest in the world. And what kind of pension do they receive? No. So what is the phenomenon of China. In a cheap rabsil. Just nothing new. England at one time due to free slave labor rose. And the USSR due to the free labor of prisoners. But the main thing Comrade Zu is sticking out of is how the Chinese Communist Party, having come to power, has long forgotten why it came. And whose interests should protect.
          1. Eugene-Eugene
            Eugene-Eugene 3 January 2016 19: 32
            -41 qualifying.
            Article is nonsense. The author is a two. I do not even want to write about the symmetry of production and consumption, about investments in export funds, about the importance of trading, about the share of gold in goods and other aspects of the so-called. "non-economic exploitation".
            1. Jack-b
              Jack-b 4 January 2016 06: 53
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              Quote: Eugene-Eugene
              Article is nonsense. The author of the deuce. I don't even want to write

              And you do not be shy and do not pretend that you are the smartest. Write, we are pleased to read. I am sure that there are smart ones and you object. There would be something to object to.
            2. AdekvatNICK
              AdekvatNICK 4 January 2016 10: 00
              +5
              it would be more effective to write your article.
            3. zulusuluz
              zulusuluz 4 January 2016 14: 50
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              Of course it's nonsense! Only in the USSR, a country that was recognized by the whole world as one of the world leaders, every five-year period they reported not about "spectacular managers" but about the amount of mined coal, steel, and aluminum. And the amount of electricity produced along with the wheat grown also featured on the posters. Maybe this is propaganda, but the whole world respected and feared this "propaganda".
              1. aba
                aba 6 January 2016 07: 25
                0
                not about "spectacular managers"

                Not in the eye, but in the pupil itself! smile
            4. Nick
              Nick 4 January 2016 21: 40
              +7
              Quote: Eugene-Eugene
              Article is nonsense. The author is a two. I do not even want to write about the symmetry of production and consumption, about investments in export funds, about the importance of trading, about the share of gold in goods and other aspects of the so-called. "non-economic exploitation".

              Do not write nonsense.
              The author writes about creating a basis for the growth of the country's economy, industrialization, and you about the theories of symmetry of production and consumption, export funds. What is the symmetry of production and consumption, what are the export funds if there is no production in the country? To consume something, you must first produce it, the same thing and you can export something, only by first creating it. And without this "something" about export funds is premature to speak.
              You about Thomas, and you about Yeryoma.
            5. Lexa-149
              Lexa-149 6 January 2016 21: 54
              0
              I remember that in the film "The Man from Boulevard des Capucines" one character said: "A real man always has something to say!"
          2. Asadullah
            Asadullah 3 January 2016 19: 37
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            And what salaries do Chinese miners, power engineers, and metallurgists receive? One of the lowest in the world. And what kind of pension do they receive? No. So what is the phenomenon of China. In cheap rabsil


            laughing Who told you that? Have you heard anything about Chinese unions? They can convict not only the director, for example the mine, but also the owner. For dissatisfaction with the requirements of the miners, the same persons can go to correctional labor for up to two years, not by court order, but on the recommendation of the public council of self-government. The salary is good there. For example, a Chinese seamstress, receiving one thousand greens in her arms, is not happy.
          3. alone
            alone 3 January 2016 19: 57
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            Quote: Mahmut
            And what salaries do Chinese miners, power engineers, and metallurgists receive?

            As if our post-Soviet miners, metallurgists and power engineers are bathing in gold)))
          4. Samy
            Samy 4 January 2016 05: 38
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            This is not true. You are far behind. The Chinese have pensions, for example, for civil servants up to 5 thousand yuan or up to 55 thousand rubles at the current rate. There are other types of pensions, starting at 1000 yuan or more. There are corporate pensions for those who have worked at a factory or company for many years. The average salary of construction workers is 2,5-3,5 thousand yuan (27-37 thousand rubles, these are not qualified personnel). There are benefits for children and more. There are receiving apartments from the state.
          5. KaPToC
            KaPToC 4 January 2016 12: 33
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            One hundred and a half hundred minuses to you for "free labor of prisoners", did you receive education on the propaganda of the State Department?
          6. pesny2006
            pesny2006 4 January 2016 14: 00
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            You are not quite right. In the first, the USSR rose not only due to convicts. But this is a different conversation. But in China, in every company there is a communist organization that monitors the quality of products and the profits of the company. Especially you will not steal and release. Time has passed. Then, in China, bribe takers and embezzlers are investigated and sentenced to death. And it also helps a lot. And the Chinese work very well. I saw it personally. And they seriously believe in the ideas of Mao Jie Tung. So that....
            1. Nick
              Nick 4 January 2016 23: 00
              +2
              Quote: pesny2006
              .And they seriously believe in the ideas of Mao Tse Dong. So that..

              Mao was a Utopian, but most people on the planet believe in the idea of ​​social justice. Where social inequality goes off scale, where basic human needs are not satisfied, there is something to take, wait for democratizers. For using the discontent of people to gain control of the country is quite simple. Technologies worked out, an example is Ukraine.
              1. Sergey-8848
                Sergey-8848 5 January 2016 22: 56
                0
                Well, what is Mao utopian. A sober and tough pragmatist.
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      2. sherp2015
        sherp2015 3 January 2016 18: 39
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        Quote: vlad66
        And what to discuss is that China found Deng Xiao Ping who crushed tanks of pro-Western Chinese Democrats in Tiananmen Square,


        Yes ... in the 91st villains defeated, and the country lost
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 3 January 2016 19: 01
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          Quote: sherp2015
          Yes ... in the 91st villains defeated, and the country lost

          I think this shake-up (90s) will be good for our country. By this period of adversity, we went through hardening in order to further withstand the loads that we faced in the zero years and that lie ahead. The harder it is at the moment, the easier it will be in the future. It's like driving a car over bumps, but what a pleasure you feel when you drive on a flat road. And I believe that the "flat road" still awaits us ahead, regardless of whether we go ahead by the Chinese method or our own, Russian.
          I apologize for being arrogant.
          1. rennim
            rennim 3 January 2016 20: 07
            22
            I think this shake-up (90s) will be good for our country. With this period of adversity, we went through hardening in order to withstand the loads that were ahead of us in the zero years.

            This shake-up cost millions of lives. Economic losses greater than in the Second World War and hundreds of thousands of destroyed destinies ... And unfortunately, practically nothing for the future is changing.
          2. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 3 January 2016 20: 19
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            Quote: СРЦ П-15
            . It’s like driving a car through bumps, but what a pleasure it is when you leave on a flat road.

            Provided that the dryndul does not fall apart.
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 3 January 2016 21: 25
              +9
              Quote: Stroporez
              Provided the dryndul doesn't fall apart

              And also - if you don’t get lost .. especially with the CHINESE cooperative navigator wink
        2. GSH-18
          GSH-18 4 January 2016 00: 58
          +6
          Quote: sherp2015
          Yes ... in the 91st villains defeated, and the country lost

          And these scoundrels, where suddenly in our country come from? Dramatically reeducated from trustworthy Soviet citizens ?? And if this is not so, then there is no need to sculpt a model from the socialist USSR for imitation at all times! And if these bastards were able to creep into such numbers in the Communist Party and other bodies, then the penniless price for this social regime, from which the great country collapsed!
          China sculpted its regime from ours, the Soviet one. But we have all gone through this. And we know how it ended, the people's hopes of surviving to communism did not materialize! And if not for Putin, then without the country (RF) would have remained as without pants in the 90s.
          Therefore, we should not copy the Chinese version under any pretext! RUSSIA has always had, is and will have its own, special way of development.
          1. pilot67
            pilot67 4 January 2016 20: 51
            +2
            Those who understood that stealing would not be punished went there at 80. Then the committee also rotted, therefore, they blew the country. If it had been at the helm of a committee like Andropov, then maybe the EBN would not have come. They would have put him to the wall for I’m betraying everything. From the Chinese method, I would have shot and would have entered parasitism again. If you don’t want to go to the village for five years, then we'll see how it worked. If you are well welcome to the city.
            1. luxprofi
              luxprofi 5 January 2016 21: 16
              +1
              Cit. "If I were at the helm of a committee like Andropov ...
              Andropov, actively promoted Gorbachev to power. And he himself was largely an obscure figure. It is definitely known that almost all people who have reliable information about his biography died. They died in a rather strange way.
      3. Asadullah
        Asadullah 3 January 2016 19: 30
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        And what to discuss is that China found Deng Xiao Ping, who crushed tanks of pro-Western Chinese Democrats on Tiananmen Square, and we fought for power, Mikhailo Mechenyi and Borka Alconaut, who defeated Russia and plunged into such a swamp that we still cannot get out.


        A bit wrong. Deng Xiao Ping took little part in the Square decision; it was the decision of the entire CPC leadership. By the way, those who did not support him were then quietly eliminated. Parallels are impossible, because decisions in the USSR were made by one person, decisions in the Celestial Empire were made by a hundred people. Why this became possible in the USSR is a question for the Politburo. And why, the body that sets the rhythm and health of the country was struck by marasmus, palace cunning, and the highest manifestation of bureaucracy, a question to the CPSU. These questions will remain unanswered. That is why there is only one conclusion, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union was unable to get rid of the alcohol dependence of leaderism, which led to the top of a weak, wretched person, whose hands fell out of everything. And instead of either chopping off these hands together with their heads and putting in specialists, the communists indulged the new "leader" in his capacity to act. It follows from this that we will no longer trust the communists in Russia. Sorry.

        According to the article, a competence rare for this time. Hats off to the author.
        1. onix757
          onix757 3 January 2016 21: 02
          +8
          Quote: Asadullah
          for decisions in the USSR were made by one person,

          Nonsense. Khrushchev Plenum shot. Now this is unthinkable to imagine, but I would like to.
          1. alone
            alone 3 January 2016 21: 18
            +8
            Quote: onix757
            Nonsense. Khrushchev Plenum shot. Now this is unthinkable to imagine, but I would like to.

            Man, I don’t know what kind of USSR you are talking about, we first shot in the USSR, and then held plenums))))
            1. onix757
              onix757 3 January 2016 21: 27
              +2
              In this case, the opposite. Khrushchev belly warmed in the Crimea, when in Moscow decided his fate.
              1. alone
                alone 3 January 2016 21: 32
                +6
                Quote: onix757
                In this case, the opposite. Khrushchev belly warmed in the Crimea,

                My friend, Khrushchev was blocked in the Crimea)))) In fact, it was like GKChP-1. Then the planners were much better than those that carried GKChP-2.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 3 January 2016 21: 39
                  +3
                  Quote: lonely
                  In this case, the opposite. Khrushchev belly warmed in the Crimea, when in Moscow decided his fate.

                  Quote: lonely
                  In essence, it was like GKChP-1. Then the planners were much better than those that implemented GKChP-2.

                  Friends, I don’t remember what that mattress film was called, I would, by analogy, drive it into the past (I would have been a schwartz to a deep crack) and when you were already in school, you couldn’t have such a character in the history books of the USSR!
                  As there would not be a whole galaxy of characters, because their parents would have been sterilized since childhood! am It can be cruel, but there is no risk.
                  No applause. repeat
                2. onix757
                  onix757 3 January 2016 21: 39
                  +3
                  Yes, fables are all, no one has blocked him. He himself rushed to Moscow after an extended meeting of the Presidium of the Central Committee, as soon as he sensed something was amiss and his instinct did not disappoint.
          2. a lex locis
            a lex locis 5 January 2016 18: 52
            0
            Only at first this "maize" did such a business that only EBN could surpass him in ruining the country ...
      4. KaPToC
        KaPToC 4 January 2016 12: 32
        +3
        We had even better, pro-Western democrats, we were shot from tanks in the parliament.
    2. YohanPalych
      YohanPalych 3 January 2016 18: 02
      +2
      Quote: RESEARCHER
      Pour and discuss.

      Discuss and Ponder ... hi
      1. SSR
        SSR 3 January 2016 21: 22
        +3
        Quote: YohanPalych
        Quote: RESEARCHER
        Pour and discuss.

        Discuss and Ponder ... hi

        I recently found out that our domestic PCs cost from 400000 thousand rubles and are completely on our element base, and for example I found out that our IT employees of the German company Fuji for 4 years gave a limited license for the production of their processors ...., I found out that our IT specialists are the highest received awards from Nasa, Aerospace and other Western and Eastern companies. In 2012 in St. Petersburg. Moreover, the equipment is easily combined with Western models of equipment. Special communications of the CIS are being made at our base, since this year, an order for substitution.
        1. Angry orc
          Angry orc 4 January 2016 00: 57
          0
          "I recently found out that our domestic PCs cost from 400000 rubles" - well, how can we compete here, Chinese PCs cost from 10 thousand rubles, and ours from 400 million :)
        2. adept666
          adept666 5 January 2016 11: 45
          +1
          I recently found out that our domestic PCs are from 400000 thousand rubles and completely on our element base
          You confuse, they cost from 400 thousand rubles. (Otherwise you really bent smile ) And not completely on our base, but only a processor, a controller of peripheral interfaces (south bridge) and power modules.
      2. moskowit
        moskowit 3 January 2016 21: 54
        +2
        Exactly. We are all masters ... Pour and discuss! To think and reason ... Here, here, here, And again to pour, think and reason ...
        I remember in our youth there was such a song ... Now, of course, you can find the author, and the whole song .... But, not really a hunt ...

        "... There are many wonders in the world,
        Each of us is Beethoven ... "

        And not only Beethoven, Kant and Schopenhauer ....
    3. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 3 January 2016 18: 03
      +1
      China has a lot to learn
      I would not want to be a Chinese! They study with us and dig everything! We have our own way, even thorny ... The Chinese are not going there! They will destroy themselves and the United States will help them in this .. Such an opinion! hi
    4. vovanpain
      vovanpain 3 January 2016 18: 08
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      Quote: RESEARCHER
      Pour and discuss.

      Wait, you need a snack, then think and discuss. hi
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 3 January 2016 18: 24
        +5
        Quote: vovanpain
        Wait, you gotta have a bite

        Yes, drink it already, you are not the government of the Russian Federation, what are you going to discuss.
        1. vovanpain
          vovanpain 3 January 2016 18: 26
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yes, drink it already, you are not the government of the Russian Federation, what are you going to discuss.

          Yes, it’s better to have a bite, otherwise DAM is discussing it there.
        2. RESEARCHER
          RESEARCHER 3 January 2016 18: 32
          +5
          Gold words. I remembered that a couple of gigatons I blurted out without a snack.
          And now I had a bite and realized that I could for an idea and without a salary. Join
          to my initiative.
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 4 January 2016 09: 10
            +3
            Quote: RESEARCHER
            I remembered that a couple of gigatons I blurted out without a snack

            Well, here two options can be: Gigatonna (Russian designation: Gt; international: Gt) - a unit of mass measurement equal to 109 tons or 1012 kg. A non-system unit in the Russian Federation is approved for use along with units of the International System of Units (SI) without limiting the term and scope [1].

            A gigaton (more precisely, gigaton trotyl equivalent) is also called an energy equal to 4,184 · 1018 J, or 1 · 1018 thermochemical calories, or 1,162 · 1012 kW · h. It is defined as the amount of energy released during the detonation of 1 billion tons of trinitrotoluene (TNT, TNT). See TNT equivalent.
            If the first, then fine. If the second, then full kirdyk planet Earth. wink
        3. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 3 January 2016 19: 38
          +4
          Probably enough, so no liver will survive until the 11th day ... And what needs to be discussed, worked, each in its place, there will be a result.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 3 January 2016 20: 11
            +7
            Quote: dmi.pris
            And what needs to be discussed and worked, each in his own place, there will be a result.

            The main thing is that the author of this material indicated: China had a goal where to go. And we still can not answer the question: Where are we going and what kind of country do we want to see, for example, in about 20 years ???
            We constantly declare the goal of deliverance and we are all struggling with oil dependence, and every time we are surprised at the fall in energy prices.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 3 January 2016 20: 29
              +9
              Quote: APASUS
              We constantly declare the goal of deliverance and we are all struggling with oil dependence, and every time we are surprised at the fall in energy prices.

              This is a special, television fight. In our country, the Central Bank also fought for the stability of the ruble. And there is no end or edge to this virtual fight.
            2. alone
              alone 3 January 2016 20: 52
              +4
              Quote: APASUS
              We constantly declare the goal of deliverance and we are all struggling with oil dependence, and every time we are surprised at the fall in energy prices.

              hi Greetings! Mathematically, this can be explained as follows:
              function between the TV and the refrigerator. The more they talk about successes on TV, the less production is in the refrigerator))) lol
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 3 January 2016 21: 00
                +4
                Quote: lonely
                function

                this is a conflict! laughing
                And when the refrigerator wins, everything will change immediately.
              2. APASUS
                APASUS 4 January 2016 15: 22
                +1
                Quote: lonely
                Quote: APASUS
                We constantly declare the goal of deliverance and we are all struggling with oil dependence, and every time we are surprised at the fall in energy prices.

                hi Greetings! Mathematically, this can be explained as follows:
                function between the TV and the refrigerator. The more they talk about successes on TV, the less production is in the refrigerator))) lol

                Another vessel is required to enter the third parameter - Gasoline.
                Whatever happens on the oil market, the price of gasoline can only rise! laughing
                1. Manul
                  Manul 4 January 2016 21: 44
                  +6
                  Quote: APASUS
                  Whatever happens on the oil market, the price of gasoline can only rise!

                  wink Like that?
            3. Wheel
              Wheel 3 January 2016 21: 15
              +5
              Quote: APASUS
              We constantly declare the goal of deliverance and we are all struggling with oil dependence, and every time we are surprised at the fall in energy prices.

              Yeah, while still proudly announcing the growth of physical production and sales ...
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 3 January 2016 21: 26
                +4
                Quote: Wheel
                Yeah, while still proudly announcing the growth of physical production and sales ...

                At the same time, varying the indicators either in gross or in percentage terms, and here, as an average person, I don’t understand anything even with a powerful calculator wassat
    5. nycsson
      nycsson 3 January 2016 22: 03
      -6
      Quote: RESEARCHER
      Pour and discuss.

      Yeah! "Afftarr zhzhot" !!! wassat What is our industrialization? You need to drink less! fool Everything is like in China! wassat And smoke too ..... In short, he laughed heartily .....
    6. tokens3
      tokens3 3 January 2016 22: 11
      +2
      Pour and discuss.

      The main thing is not to be a competitor to China in the global market for consumer goods.
      Otherwise, a conflict of interest. And a possible war.
      On the other hand, we need to close our own market from consumer goods China and create our own industry exclusively for the needs of the CIS.
      The military-industrial complex to develop and sell products around the world, regardless of the interests of including China.
      The military-industrial complex is a breakthrough technology. Russia does not have the right to concede in this area.
    7. Reklastik
      Reklastik 4 January 2016 00: 06
      0
      And this .... dofiga or something that Russian miners and metallurgists must work ... to buy an apartment every 15 years?)))
    8. Atrix
      Atrix 4 January 2016 23: 44
      0
      It is electricity that is the blood of modern industry, and I am very amused by the "experts" who recommend Russia to work hard to reduce energy consumption and prove their point by the "energy efficiency" of the European economy. One would like to ask these gentlemen: what, Russia is in the situation of Europe in order to take an example from it

      The author of the article understands why "funny experts" are talking about energy efficient technologies ??? I will give an example of figures taken from the ceiling for smelting one tone of steel, for example, 1 kilowatt is needed in Europe, and in an inefficient country China / Russia, 100 kilowatts are needed. And where do you think the production cost will be lower and where the goods will be more competitive. Of course, if the prices for energy resources in Russia and China are ten to twenty times lower than in Europe, then it is clear that nafig will mess with the energy efficiency of production, but this will not last a lifetime.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 5 January 2016 11: 52
        +3
        The secret is not in prioritizing industry - it is in the real fight against corruption. In China, an official of any rank is easily and freely shot if he stole. And in our country, they are quietly transferring to an even more financial position, and the indignant people are all together called agents of the State Department.
  2. vsoltan
    vsoltan 3 January 2016 17: 54
    10
    From China, first of all, you should learn leisurely creativity, as well as a disregard for any laws and patents .... How many Chinese people, sorry, stole? Ideas, technology? A little prikanesenre himself ... and a new product is ready, often no worse than the original ... and none of the legalists will even utter a sound ... and this also needs to be learned ... :-) and what is beneficial to the state ... priority for the state and the people .. :-)
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    2. sa-ag
      sa-ag 3 January 2016 18: 13
      +6
      Quote: vsoltan
      and a new product is ready, often not worse than the original

      No, the copy will always be worse than the original, because of the great internal competition, Chinese enterprises have to lower the price in order to sell the goods, which in turn leads to savings on raw materials, hence metal of mediocre quality, paints that do not meet environmental requirements, in general a product whose life is greatly reduced
      1. Yura
        Yura 3 January 2016 23: 26
        +1
        Quote: sa-ag
        No, the copy will always be worse than the original,

        It was recalled that somewhere in the late Soviet eighties I was reading an article, I don’t remember in which of the magazines dedicated to the four tigers that made the economic breakthrough, that is, Hong Kong, Singapur, South Korea, and I don’t remember what this fourth country was like. So it described how Japanese firms and brands in particular, built their factories there with the aim of reducing the cost of production due to very cheap labor resources, as well as low taxes. At that time, Japanese electronic products around the world were simply frantic due to their cheapness and unsurpassed quality. After some time, when in these countries their qualified personnel appeared, having learned and gained experience in these industries, they began to manufacture Japanese brands products in underground industries and flood them with the whole world. At first, the quality was so-so, but with the growing experience and qualifications of local personnel, it grew and these fakes often outperformed the originals, which led to a drop in demand for products manufactured at Japanese factories, sometimes it came to the point that the Japanese realized their products under the fake brand are permissible from Singapore for their own products. Sometimes it happens.
      2. Samy
        Samy 4 January 2016 05: 43
        0
        In the same way, we drove aircraft and cars from the Americans, aircraft engines from the Germans and the British, and so on and so forth. And that no repentance is heard and no streaming of ashes is visible.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 4 January 2016 06: 09
          +2
          Ah, I read what they bought. At least until the Second World War. They started tying after the official channels were blocked.
      3. Starina_hank
        Starina_hank 4 January 2016 19: 35
        +1
        Reducing the service life is not only Chinese know-how, Western technologists are on the same path. Millionaire engines and non-rusting bodies have sunk into oblivion. Cost reduction due to lower quality global trend!
    3. Asadullah
      Asadullah 3 January 2016 19: 53
      +8
      From China, first of all, you should learn leisurely creativity,


      Nifiga yourself, leisurely! laughing Spent five years in China on a business trip. From Beijing he traveled south by train for almost a day. Then everything flew. At the end of the trip, he decided to return also by train. The truth is soon, eight hours before Beijing. What I saw was simply speechless. New huge beautiful cities where there were villages. But you will get the greatest impression if you take the Gwadar-Beijing train.

      China is a monster growing exponentially. It is better for this monster to be a necessary helper than a "friendly sheep."
  3. avvg
    avvg 3 January 2016 17: 57
    18
    The Chinese took from the Soviet experience everything that was good in the USSR, and we almost destroyed everything.
    1. meriem1
      meriem1 3 January 2016 18: 05
      11
      Quote: avvg
      The Chinese took everything that was good in the USSR, and we almost destroyed everything.

      Destroyed by those who are now the most screaming and chasing Putin! Who sold everything in the 90s !!! And liberals only know this !!!! It’s much harder to create when 15% of gorlopans howl in their own fashion and put sticks in wheels much more than then ... to sell off the country's wealth by stuffing your pockets!
      But the glory of the Lord pulled the defense. Despite everything.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 3 January 2016 18: 22
        +8
        Quote: meriem1
        Destroyed by those who are now the most screaming and chasing Putin! Who sold everything in the 90s !!! And liberals only know this !!!!

        Is it Chubais or something? So he seems to live very happily, as shown by the recent corporate Rusnano. And no one drives him
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 3 January 2016 18: 38
        +1
        Quote: meriem1
        Who sold everything in the 90s !!!

        The one who quickly adapted to the new realities
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 3 January 2016 20: 36
          0
          Quote: RUSS
          The one who quickly adapted to the new realities

          I have one video, but, apparently, it will not work here, so Samuel Yakovlevich Yandex to help wink
    2. RESEARCHER
      RESEARCHER 3 January 2016 18: 05
      10
      The Chinese take everything that is beneficial to them, and ours throw up what is deadly for us. But what is strange. We, as hens, were pecking all this in euphoria from the fall of the USSR. And only now the majority has seen. But they were enlightened people. Much more enlightened than the current generation of Pepsi and the exam. What are these then inflated ???
    3. Proxima
      Proxima 3 January 2016 18: 28
      +4
      Quote: avvg
      The Chinese took from the Soviet experience everything that was good in the USSR, and we almost destroyed everything.

      And the Soviet Union would not have hurt then, in 91, to adopt the experience of the Chinese in 89, in its determination to suppress political unrest throughout the country, which then received the "romantic" name - the protest of students on Tiananmen Square.
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 3 January 2016 22: 39
        +8
        Quote: Proxima
        But it would not hurt the Soviet Union in the 91 to adopt the experience of the Chinese in the 89
        Who then could have done this with us? The "putschists" could not even call a spade a spade, in the announcement of Yanaev acting Isolation of Gorbachev sounded as the president of the USSR, as "due to the impossibility of Mikhail Gorbachev's performance of his duties as President of the USSR for health reasons." But with noise and clamor, they drove the technicians and troops to Moscow, and when everything failed, they ran together to repent to the "prisoner" Pharos, who, it seems, was not very eager to free himself, if he himself was not behind all this farce. If someone really wanted to save the country then, they would have done everything quietly with both Gorbachev and Yeltsin. Simply, the processes were already ruled by gentlemen from across the Atlantic and the English Channel, everything was bought and sold. As the saying goes, "the formidable squad fell in battle, without drawing swords ...". As for China, well, we are not China! First, if Stalin hadn't helped China with their industrialization, the creation of an atomic project, hell would they, no miracle would have happened afterwards. Secondly, China used its huge population for virtually slave labor, pirate methods of copying, and, in addition, played at the moment when the United States was "butting" with the USSR. We must also take into account the fact that Chinese communism is far from what it was in the Soviet Union, with our help to all fraternal peoples, forgiveness of debts, and internationalism. Crafty China has always kept its calloused fig in the pocket of strangers, and the communism of China is, rather, "national communism", their blessing, for their people. Namely, "socialist" China was able to attack the socialist and nuclear USSR at Damanskoye, and later also the socialist Vietnam, which, as we were taught earlier, is impossible between the socialist countries. We don't want to look at China here to see how stupid it is to try on something from other countries, we have to learn a long time ago, what is good for us should be good for Russia (even if it is "death" for a German). When we learn to live with our own mind, and not like in China, Greece or Sweden, then we will be happy. It is difficult to disagree with only one thing, it is unlikely that the happiness of Russia is possible without strengthening the role of the state, caring for its citizens, confidence for the future tomorrow, and this can only be provided by renewed socialism, independent of the West, from the alien pole of the power of capitalism, alien rules of the game.
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    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 3 January 2016 18: 12
      +3
      Quote: L. A. A.
      China has achieved high results due to the cohesion of people in achieving common goals. We must learn the same thing.

      Will destroy them "golden calf!" ... Southern and Northern China are two big differences ... CHEAP LABOR POWER! Here is their trick! And the West throws off all the dirt there ... Everyone knows what quality? Do not buy toys for children and in general ... hi
      1. Stauffenberg
        Stauffenberg 3 January 2016 18: 17
        +4
        The ecology is terrible there. Smog day and night. Water is crappy.
        1. RESEARCHER
          RESEARCHER 3 January 2016 18: 21
          +1
          It's bad that rubbish. They can climb to us.
          1. Stauffenberg
            Stauffenberg 3 January 2016 18: 35
            +2
            They dirtied Cupid. Smog and smoke constantly poison Khabarovsk.
          2. kil 31
            kil 31 3 January 2016 19: 49
            +2
            Quote: RESEARCHER
            It's bad that rubbish. They can climb to us.

            Already climbing. laughing drinks
            In Russia, they detained a Chinese citizen who was trying to get to the Kremlin, arguing that he lives there. This was reported to Interfax by a source in law enforcement.
            According to him, on January 2, at 20:30, a citizen of the People’s Republic of China born in 1985 was detained at the Spasskaya Tower while trying to unauthorized entry into the Kremlin.
            The detainee told police that he lives in the Kremlin.
            The detainee was taken to the police department, where he was examined by a psychiatrist and decided on hospitalization.
    2. Andryukha G
      Andryukha G 3 January 2016 18: 30
      +7
      Only now the skilled leadership from above - the CCP rallied people together, while periodically annually shooting bribe-takers and embezzlers who are in power, and we have such guys surfacing in England, France, Austria with millions in foreign currency on their accounts.
  5. Izotovp
    Izotovp 3 January 2016 18: 16
    10
    We need to start with the salary of a novice engineer, otherwise we just spit everywhere the same managers with some crooked brains (((
    1. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 3 January 2016 20: 39
      +1
      Here you can argue. In enterprises with a large share of the state, or simply large private, engineers and so on are no less than workers, respectively, and their salaries cannot be large.
      1. Izotovp
        Izotovp 3 January 2016 21: 57
        0
        Hmm ... quite an interesting justification. Or maybe salary accrue by efficiency, but not by number?
        1. Kostya Andreev
          Kostya Andreev 4 January 2016 00: 13
          +4
          And can reduce engineering? agree funny when 200 workers 200 itr (accountants, craftsmen, etc., And the money is taken from production, so the large salary of engineers in such an amount they do not shine, because then the workers will have to pay less. And they can quit , and who will work in production, managers and engineers?
          Regarding ITR and other engineers, that relative, lover, brother-in-law, brother-in-law and godfather often turn out, and everyone whines about the small salary. But at the same time they do not quit, and if you put a signature on the document, this is a whole saga. So in my opinion, you can freely disperse half (a friend of the engineer said that more is possible) and the detachment will not notice the loss of a fighter.
          1. Izotovp
            Izotovp 4 January 2016 00: 48
            +1
            About this manning of the ITR corps, I am generally silent. wassat
  6. Proxima
    Proxima 3 January 2016 18: 17
    12
    Very competent article, thanks. It is gratifying that the author focused on the energy component of industrial growth. Home-grown "economists" for some reason do not think about such a question, why, for example, aluminum ore (bauxite, alumina), from a logistic point of view, make an unthinkable path from Africa and Australia to the Bratsk aluminum plant and then in the form of aluminum by practically the same route back? their vaunted profitability?!? Because electricity in the cost of 1 kg of aluminum is up to 50%! It is clear that it is not expensive at the Bratsk hydroelectric station. And such freaks in the field of energy are apparently invisible. But for some reason our economic "analysts" do not notice them point blank.
  7. pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 3 January 2016 18: 18
    18
    The author somehow forgot to mention. that China, unlike the Russian Federation, has its own national bank, and not a Fed branch, as in Russia. Its own monetary policy contributed to the fact that the Chinese yuan received the status of a reserve currency and the Chinese exchange for the sale of oil for the yuan began its work.
  8. zakamsk1971
    zakamsk1971 3 January 2016 18: 20
    +4
    I completely agree! To start with the basic needs of citizens and come to full economic and military-political independence is the only right way! A bucks paste over toilets.
  9. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 3 January 2016 18: 22
    +5
    China, China ... But is it ok that China has an entire economy designed for export? Something this is not mentioned in the article! A couple of months ago, China's exports fell by hundredths of a percent, and its economy was shaken by a robust design! That China is heavily dependent on food imports, the same grain and rice! That he is not able to feed himself. What do you offer? There is a Chinese economic miracle as long as China has markets and sells! China will not be able to throw all products into its domestic market, due to low purchasing power! So, China has its own way, but Russia has its own!
    1. Stauffenberg
      Stauffenberg 3 January 2016 18: 39
      +2
      That's for sure! They are now trying with might and main to stimulate domestic consumption, because exports have declined. Due to the strong renminbi, production becomes profitable in Europe and the USA, and even more so in Russia.
    2. Nekarmadlen
      Nekarmadlen 4 January 2016 03: 20
      +1
      Oh, how .... And another friend recently wrote that in China a simple seamstress receives 1000 dollars and is unhappy with her small salary)))))
    3. Samy
      Samy 4 January 2016 05: 46
      0
      But nothing. Although this is not quite so. And what is designed for export with us, can you tell?
      1. aba
        aba 6 January 2016 08: 24
        0
        And what is designed for export with us, can you tell?

        Don’t you know ?! True?!
  10. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 3 January 2016 18: 23
    +5
    Well done, author. China's industrialization was not based on down jackets. I remember how in the early 90s they bought microelectronics production in Russia, and they paid ... with dog coats and their disgusting stew. Only 30% were given in money, the rest - as "on the list" goods, moreover - FOB Beijing! Take it as you want, massage it, massage it ...
    There was something to "communicate" with us.
    And in the photo - our new engine, PD-14 - the basis of our passenger and transport aircraft. For the next 20 years.
  11. Nymp
    Nymp 3 January 2016 18: 27
    +4
    Well, yes there are enough advisers like Gref and Kudrin. And even in China, the embezzlers are severely punished. Why is the government listening to liberals of all stripes? After all, the Chinese experience is in the face, and they wanted to sneeze on European democracy.
  12. midshipman
    midshipman 3 January 2016 18: 29
    14
    At the end of the 80s, everything was prepared for our industry and science so that the USSR would develop along the path of industrialization based on innovation. For example, I will give the following:
    1. All defense ministries have prepared TNP release programs together with France and Germany;
    2. There was a program for its automotive industry, also using defense industry enterprises;
    3. The program of housing construction, roads and railways, For example, we planned between Moscow and Leningrad to launch high-speed trains at a speed of 350 km / h and cancel aircraft in this direction, etc.
    But the arrival of Gorbachev and Yeltsin destroyed everything. I cite this as a participant in the development of these substantiated programs. I have the honor.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 January 2016 18: 51
      0
      We have now launched other projects, for example, the Moscow-Kazan high-speed railway, costing one and a half trillion rubles until 2018, and in the 90s everything collapsed due to the fact that the planned economy turned into a market economy - huge factories became unprofitable, competitors appeared, and after that all like a snowball from a mountain, everything else was rolling - it was all inevitable in those conditions.
      1. Wheel
        Wheel 3 January 2016 21: 54
        +6
        Quote: Vadim237
        and in the 90s, everything collapsed due to the fact that the planned economy abruptly changed to a market economy - huge factories became unprofitable, competitors appeared, and everything else was rolling behind it like a snowball from the mountain - all this was inevitable in those conditions.
        Huge factories suddenly became unprofitable for one simple reason, and no competitors had anything to do with it: industrial production was deliberately destroyed by the authorities through a hyperinflation policy.
  13. Rumata
    Rumata 3 January 2016 18: 38
    12
    The article is interesting, but about agriculture it is not clear. In the Russian Federation, salaries in big cities are 2-3 times higher than in the outback, a lot, but not so critical. In China, agriculture rose at the expense of two hundred million peasants in the outback, who worked for a penny, received 10-20 times less than the workers on the coast. In the Russian Federation, this is simply not real, no one will work for food.

    Let me remind you that the average salary in China, for about 30 years, was kept at $ 35 a month, these are the same 30 years when China was building the foundation for the jump of the 2000s, when the average salary rose to 500. Still in the 90s in big cities 100-150 dollars a month, and in the outback in the fields people worked for 7-10 (!!!).

    China has risen due to the brutal exploitation of its people, and the economic miracle is due, first of all, to cheap labor. If coal is mined for a cheap wage, working 12 hours a day, on equipment of the 60s, without a large number of payments and costs, then the cost of this coal will be lower, and this is highly competitive because of the price and higher final income .. The Chinese economy grew slower when salaries began to grow, now more and more factories are being transported to other countries, since China is no longer so profitable. But it is worthwhile to give them their due, the Chinese economists have foreseen this and very competently adapt to the new realities ..
    1. _Alexei_
      _Alexei_ 3 January 2016 19: 53
      0
      dear and how much do we now receive in $
      1. Rumata
        Rumata 3 January 2016 20: 07
        0
        Quote: _Alexey_
        dear and how much do we now receive in $

        What is the difference how much they get now?
  14. MaKeNa
    MaKeNa 3 January 2016 18: 46
    +1
    You can pour, you can discuss, but what to change? Nothing!!!!
    1. Tektor
      Tektor 4 January 2016 00: 02
      0
      Well do not tell! Truth is sometimes born in discussion ... For its sake, it is possible. We are unlikely to like the Chinese way: the Chinese steam engine is flying at full speed into a brick wall. What is the reason for such rapid growth of its basic industries? Yes, with the influx of foreign exchange and technological resources from the West, attracted by the cheapness of labor (this was inevitable in market conditions in the absence of political barriers) ... Why? - We will not discuss it yet. As a result, China began a powerful trade expansion, and rested its horn on limited global demand. Instead of carefully analyzing the situation and predicting the consequences, China continued to rush with perseverance worthy of better use, but already on borrowed funds, there’s a good place to borrow, because there are reserves. But China's total debt has already reached 260% of GDP. Yes, as long as they owe it to themselves, but this debt is no longer being resolved, practically ... So China is waiting for a landing.
  15. cap
    cap 3 January 2016 19: 00
    +2
    "By the way, Beijing did not come up with anything new here. China adopted the experience of the USSR, namely Stalin's industrialization, and simply adapted it to its conditions."
    "China has a lot to learn, but it also has mistakes that must be avoided by copying its path of success. We will talk about this in the second part of the article when we raise the issue of the Russian economy in the XNUMXst century."

    Following the logic of the author, we will learn from ourselves. But what? ... maybe it's not bad.
    Somewhere here the rake lay. The author seems to have walked by. Well, right.
    I liked the article. Logically built correctly.
    Maybe in the second part, the author will say in what "five-year" plan we will start solving the issue
    "Russian economy of the XXI century." We are waiting, sir. hi
  16. yuriy55
    yuriy55 3 January 2016 19: 03
    11
    China has a lot to learn, but it also has mistakes that must be avoided by copying its path to success.


    These are the sources of success in China, these are the sources that our "organizers of the Russian economic miracle" fear.

    1. Rumata
      Rumata 3 January 2016 20: 16
      -1
      Quote: yuriy55
      These are the sources of success in China, these are the sources that our "organizers of the Russian economic miracle" fear.

      China is evidence that cruel punishment does not affect corruption. They execute hundreds of officials, but corruption remains high there, at the level of Turkey, Brazil or Mexico, despite the fact that in these countries the sentences are much milder.
      1. Rumata
        Rumata 3 January 2016 20: 19
        +1
        He doesn’t want to load pictures normally IN today = \
        Here is the link - http://transparency.org.nz/images/2014/CPI2014-map-and-country-results.jpg
      2. Wheel
        Wheel 3 January 2016 22: 01
        +3
        Quote: Rumata
        China is evidence that cruel punishment does not affect corruption. They execute hundreds of officials, but corruption remains high there, at the level of Turkey, Brazil or Mexico, despite the fact that in these countries the sentences are much milder.

        I would be glad to believe, however, all these corruption indices are compiled by deeply engaged structures.
        Therefore, these ratings have real information content in the region of zero.
  17. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 3 January 2016 19: 04
    +6
    Just ten years ago, we all laughed at the poor quality of Chinese goods. And now we are taking an example from them. How fast things are changing.
  18. avva2012
    avva2012 3 January 2016 19: 09
    +3
    The production of cars in China in the 1999 year was only 1,2 million units, that is, about the same as in the 1992 year (1 million units). The industry has grown rapidly in the 21 century: 2005 year - 5,71 million units, 2010 year - 18,06 million units, 2014 year - 23,72 million units.

    And, these indicators indicate that in China, the number of consumers is gradually growing. That is, the welfare of the country. Why make cars if nobody buys them? Given the number of people, they still have to work and work in order to saturate their domestic market. It is difficult to say, but does China need expansion in the coming decades if they have no problems with energy carriers?
    1. Stauffenberg
      Stauffenberg 3 January 2016 19: 23
      0
      Now they don’t know what to do with them. Number on a car in Shanghai is 10-15 thousand dollars.
  19. Megatron
    Megatron 3 January 2016 19: 11
    +6
    And why does our entire stabilization fund lie in foreign securities, supporting the enemy’s economy, and not working for us?
    1. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 3 January 2016 20: 49
      +8
      Quote: Megatron
      why does our entire stabilization fund lie in foreign securities, supporting the enemy’s economy, and not working for us?

      Because Putin has neither the political will nor the desire to get rid of the actual support of the US economy by OUR means, there is no desire to stop nepotism and nepotism in the service of the Fatherland, there is no determination to drive Nabiullina (the best banker in the US opinion) together with Gref, Kudrin and other Gaidar camarilla, there is no desire to nationalize the Central Bank and enact the law on confiscation of the loot.
      Judging by the recent actions, our financial system is now gradually getting out of the power of the dollar and going under the power of the renminbi! We change one yoke to another!
  20. fa2998
    fa2998 3 January 2016 19: 17
    +7
    Quote: vlad66
    fought Mikhailo Tagged da Borka Alconaut who defeated plunged Russia into such a swamp

    It’s enough already! From 1991 to 2000, nine years, but a lot was destroyed, destroyed, but between 1914 and 1921 (World War I, revolution and civil war), they destroyed much more, and millions died, BUT THE COUNTRY HAS FOUND! 10-15 years. We have been running a positive President for all of us for 16 years now, so where is the result? And the oil was worth $ 120-140, tens, hundreds of billion dollars. Treasury received, THERE SHOULD BE CARRY OUT INDUSTRIALIZATION! No money placed abroad, bought the debts of other countries. In order to develop a foreign economy, and not your own.
    Industrialization, this is an expensive matter, we need money, equipment, etc. The Bolsheviks solved this issue — selling royal property, paintings, concessions for the extraction of raw materials, furs, and most importantly, grain taken from the peasants. Yes, there was famine, riots but they got their way!
    And now, industrialization 2.0. Where is the money Zin! Oil is cheap, the treasury is empty (many articles are already being cut), foreign loans are closed due to sanctions, the announced tax amnesty did not lead to results. Where are the sources? what R.S. Well, you can dispossess our officials a little (all indiscriminately) - withdraw cash to the treasury, and sell values ​​at Sotheby's - there will be "Russian days" again. laughing hi
    1. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 3 January 2016 20: 59
      +2
      Quote: fa2998
      a little dispossess of our officials

      You cannot raise the economy with this, although the funds will not be superfluous. It is necessary to completely change domestic economic and financial policies, which should not work for Americans, Chinese, French or Ethiopians, but for OUR economy! I'm sorry, but I probably won’t live up to these bright days, while we will be led by Putin and Medvedev!
    2. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 4 January 2016 05: 54
      +2
      I am afraid that such actions will simply lead to a lightning flight of ALL private capital from the country. And we will be left with one "road fund" and "Ukrainian debt" for the entire industrialization laughing This is probably a hitch, we gave away everything to Chubais, respectively, the state does not control anything. Neither of which we (citizens) nor our state have.
  21. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 3 January 2016 19: 20
    +7
    Nice article, thanks. There is an opinion, there are reasoned calculations, there is even a program of action. I'll put in my 5 kopecks: an example is good - who among us heard "ZTE", "Honor", "Huawei", etc. 10 years ago? And "Lifan" and "Geely" (sorry for my English)? He studied in the mid-90s, so the main joke on this topic sounded like this:
    - And estimate, we will drive Chinese cars through 10 in years! laughing fellow wassat These "Tamagotchi" are already copying everything (at that time they were madly "copying" audio equipment, shoes, clothes: "paвasonics "andбidasas and others), and not far from cars ....
    They laughed at it like crazy. Right now, I’m not laughing, but I’m scratching my turnips: at that time they were not afraid to put a bolt on the entire world community - they were not afraid of any courts, lawsuits, international sanctions (yeah, I repeat - they put a bolt on all this) because of copyright violations and the other same bullshit. They stupidly copied, used international brands for outright talk - they raised their welfare, conceived (with the help of outright theft of technology) their scientific and technical potential and went, went forward, despite the loud "fiii ..." and outright mockery about this throughout world, their NT potential grew, gained strength and, voila: now it has become one of the leading. We can see the result (even today, what will happen in 10 years).
    What I want to say: if you want to become the best - endure ridicule from all sides, do not give in to "nafig you need", work your teeth together, push your horn, and you will be an example for those who, 5-6 years ago, laughed in your face and did not perceived you as an equal.
  22. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 3 January 2016 19: 39
    +5
    Russia must have its own way.
    1. Keep the ruble cheap.
    2. Remove parasitic superstructures from the economy. Financial - to the maximum. Lawyers in the country - a wild number.
    3 Take education to a new level. Teachers and university professors themselves need to be educated somewhere to match the current level. Start training more engineers, remove the purchase of diplomas with the help of a paid education.
    4 Research and innovation - to a new level.
    5. In production - maximum automation. Restore production throughout the country, so that people work near the house whenever possible. C / X - as well. Increase internal competition.
    6. The gradual rejection of the supply of minerals abroad.
    7. Fertility promotion, clean food, clean living environment.
    8. Less envy of other countries and people, work for the soul.
    9. High moral principles, without pederasty and debauchery, to value your country.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 3 January 2016 23: 22
      +3
      Quote: Good AAAH
      DobryAAH

      This is you the USSR 50 years ago described, it turns out that you propose a revolution? wink
      1. DobryAAH
        DobryAAH 4 January 2016 00: 14
        +1
        This is you the USSR 50 years ago described, it turns out that you propose a revolution?
        Reincarnation. Then there were points 2,3,4,5,6
        Add 1, 7,8,9
        Although 8 and 9 were partially.
        I do not clean private property. Any, except stolen from the state.
    2. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 4 January 2016 06: 03
      +1
      Point 1 is confusing. Apparently for a simple worker, that city car, that city real estate, that furniture with appliances for this real estate will remain a dream ..? Will production be threshed for export? So there, it’s not necessary, there are enough of their own producers, but here, it’s not necessary because with a cheap ruble, shops selling products of high-tech industries are museums for 80% of the population.
  23. DPN
    DPN 3 January 2016 19: 47
    +3
    Quote: moskowit
    To the villas on the Cote d'Azur, who overnight on the heating mains ...

    That's right: stupid WE-people decided to all become rich without thinking that many would become POOR.
  24. Mirrorfax
    Mirrorfax 3 January 2016 19: 51
    +2
    So at us show-offs interfere with good to adopt. Such hefty show-offs between the legs hang out and beat the knees mercilessly at every step, washing into the blood ...
  25. volk0773
    volk0773 3 January 2016 20: 10
    0
    Since the time of perestroika, it was necessary to steal less and export loot !!! Think about your path, do not cry about bad laws for business !!!
  26. DPN
    DPN 3 January 2016 20: 11
    +1
    In Soviet times, the country's elite could not take volatility out of the country, which cannot be said now. Almost the entire Soviet-national heritage was taken out over the hill for purchase: islands, palaces and villas under the protection of NATO. So probably only parasites — security guards in stores — work for Russia.

    The article is certainly correct, but those in power will not use it. To, too, he will return Russia to the hill.
  27. Straight
    Straight 3 January 2016 20: 21
    +6
    Our rulers have been trying to get off the "oil needle" for so long that now all the laurels of Russia's industrialization will belong to Barack Obama and his sanctions ...
  28. Megatron
    Megatron 3 January 2016 20: 45
    +4
    As long as Chubais says from the rostrum that he has "VERY MUCH MONEY" - we will not have anything good in our country.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 3 January 2016 20: 47
      +1
      Quote: Megatron
      As long as Chubais says from the rostrum that he has "VERY MUCH MONEY" - we will not have anything good in our country.

      They all have one tribune.
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  29. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 3 January 2016 20: 56
    0
    Interesting article. One can argue with many, disagree with many, but the author is well done.
    And as for commenting, we can say the following. Many want Chinese economic development, but while maintaining and increasing benefits, pensions, tax cuts, etc. etc. This will not happen. The most correct comment, in my opinion:
    Quote: AlNikolaich
    So, China has its own path, but Russia has its own!
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  31. onix757
    onix757 3 January 2016 21: 13
    +1
    The Chinese would have dreamed about space for another forty years if at the end of the USSR they had not stole technology that they lacked so much.
  32. bmv04636
    bmv04636 3 January 2016 21: 18
    +1
    The average wage in China for workers is already higher than in Russia. Coal is certainly good but and that’s why the Chinese are switching to gas
    1. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 3 January 2016 21: 48
      +2
      It's great, it's good.
      The other is sad. Namely. When in the Russian Federation the government publishes data on the average salary, there is immediately a mountain of witticisms, tricks and accusations of lying, But when other countries publish data on the average wage, it’s not acuity, no tricks and there are no allegations of lies. What honest there !!!
      Each country has its own nuances and it is at least naive to compare countries. it's like comparing a man and a woman, both have a head and two legs and two arms, both breathe air. and the rest is different
      1. udincev
        udincev 4 January 2016 05: 17
        0
        Quote: Kostya Andreev
        naively. it's like comparing a man and a woman, both have a head and two legs and two arms, both breathe air. and the rest is different

        And this is by what criteria to compare.
        For some naive. For some objective.
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 4 January 2016 14: 34
          0
          According to the "average temperature in the hospital"
  33. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 3 January 2016 21: 23
    +1
    Now I can get a lot of minuses, what I write will not be pleasant for many.
    For some reason, recently, despite the grief in the USSR. I am inclined to believe that, on the one hand, the collapse of the USSR is a tragedy, victims, the collapse of the army, the economy and other tragedies.
    But on the other hand, why many of the Union republics, which apart from tangerines and sprats (this is an example) could not have done anything without the support of Russia, lived better than Russia and its population. I compare myself, the RSFSR and the Baltic states of the Soviet era.
    And after the collapse of the USSR, historical justice was restored, the republics took their true place, which they should occupy. Their residents should live on the sale of tangerines, lard and fish (if anyone buys), and not on the technological production that the RSFSR and financial assistance from the RSFSR developed for them. And technological production, fishing, raising pigs and tangerines, Russia itself will be able to do.
    Roughly speaking, it pleases me that Russia has thrown off all this rubbish and rabble that lived at its expense, and at the expense of ordinary Russians Vanek and Manek, and at the same time spit in their faces.
    1. onix757
      onix757 3 January 2016 22: 00
      0
      Quote: Kostya Andreev
      But on the other hand, why many of the Union republics, which apart from tangerines and sprats (this is an example) could not produce anything without the support of Russia,

      Because in the Union there was a division of labor. The republics had their own specialization with broad cooperation throughout the country.
      1. Jozhkin Cat
        Jozhkin Cat 3 January 2016 23: 15
        +2
        Ogra, Ukraine granary of the USSR? what is the truth? they are now importing lard from Poland. Separation? they are parasites, fuck them all. Yes, and traitors and there is no forgiveness to them.
        It’s necessary to take care of your country, of Russia, and let the rest of them somehow.
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 4 January 2016 14: 46
          +1
          Ukrainian agriculture was the second largest expense item in the USSR after the defense. Is it necessary to clarify that the Ukrainian SSR did not give revenues in proportion to expenditures?
      2. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 3 January 2016 23: 25
        +3
        The division of labor is great. But with this division of labor in our store on the street (we are talking about the baltics), not even in the city center, but on the periphery, there were three types of sausages, and different products and clothes at any time of the day, and in Russia there was a proverb "long, green smells like sausage. " It is with this cooperation that we (Russia) provided the standard of living and work of those who spit and spit in our face.
        Do you really think that what the Balts, Georgians, Moldovans and others did and specialized in Russia could not be produced?
      3. Bayonet
        Bayonet 4 January 2016 09: 39
        0
        Quote: onix757
        The republics had their own specialization with broad cooperation throughout the country.
        - As you know, Kuzbass is an all-union forge. Kuban is an all-union granary. And the Caucasus is an all-union ... what?
        - All-Union health resort?
        - Not! The Caucasus is a forge, a granary, and a health resort!
        "Prisoner of the Caucasus, or Shurik's New Adventures
    2. Megatron
      Megatron 3 January 2016 22: 20
      0
      Someone and tangerines should grow, their own and not imported, the same cotton.
      1. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 3 January 2016 23: 40
        +1
        but let them grow up, I personally do not mind. Moreover, we can buy them, but we may not buy them. Well, let them live on money from tangerines and cotton and sprats.
        let the Russians develop their industry and technology without money.
        Does it not seem strange to you that for the tangerines that cost a penny, Russia should invest billions in maintaining the standard of living and the development of other territories?
        In order to buy tangerines and cotton, you don’t need to attach lands, it is enough to make people who live on this land work for us !!! (or to make sure that these lands are inhabited by our people (ours means ethnically, religiously, etc., and until that moment it is stupid to invest money and develop these territories).
        The Anglo-Saxon model of the spread of influence in other territories is very effective, although it is disgusting.
    3. Starik72
      Starik72 3 January 2016 23: 48
      0
      Moderators! I generally did not put any minuses or pluses! Take this sticky thing away.
  34. antiexpert
    antiexpert 3 January 2016 21: 28
    +3
    when someone begins to admire China, vague doubts torment him - does he know everything about the subject?
    so here the author does not mention that the specific energy generation of China is 2.5 times less than in the Russian Federation and 6 (six !!!) times less than in the USA! And that coal generation is 85% of all generation!
    to me personally, taking into account the realities, China resembles a terminally ill patient, whose pain centers refused due to decay, and he started dancing before falling dead)))
    1. Manul
      Manul 4 January 2016 21: 53
      0
      Quote: antiexpert
      to me personally, taking into account the realities, China resembles a terminally ill patient, whose pain centers refused due to decay, and he started dancing before falling dead)))

      This can be frightening. The squandering of environmental and raw materials can mean that a country is then ready to seize the territories of other countries from hopelessness. Like now what happens, but tomorrow the people will go hungry, but go to war. For the idea of ​​survival.
  35. lilian
    lilian 3 January 2016 21: 59
    -1
    And I'm happy for China. Since some kind of crap is happening in Russia, even if it is good in China.
    In childhood, he was fond of science fiction, waiting for the USSR to send a man to Mars, the USSR / Russia was broken off, now hope for China is a model of a country with great ideas and goals.

    Raising the economy so quickly, but not losing sovereignty, is impossible in a country where there is too much democracy. P ..... t about import substitution by telly, but at the same time all the hope for this very substitution is put on idiots who want to deal with collectors and get into debt slavery, what can you describe with what words?
    1. antiexpert
      antiexpert 4 January 2016 07: 54
      -3
      you will have to upset - explore the project "Chinese lunar rover" this will clearly show what is really going on in China, which is nothing more than aboutBrazilian of the country that sold her soul, wisdom and ideology for candy wrappers.
      And for the sale of the soul, if someone forgot, at first it’s good, but not for long, and then it’s very bad)))
  36. dobrovic
    dobrovic 3 January 2016 22: 58
    +1
    I want to read the second part, but what about us? How do we compare with the Chinese model? where is our foundation in energy, chemistry, metallurgy, etc. ... and most importantly, where will we take personnel for a breakthrough? today's managers and sellers are unlikely to work ... and sensible staff is already well over 60-80 ...
  37. anew
    anew 4 January 2016 00: 27
    -5
    Russian industrialization 2.0: everything is like in China

    Then not 2.0, but 3.0. Industrialization 2.0 was during and after the war. First, on the Lend-Lease, and then on the captured element base. Here she was successful. Unlike the widely publicized but failed industrialization 1.0.
  38. boris117
    boris117 4 January 2016 00: 30
    +1
    Quote: Kostya Andreev
    At enterprises with a large share of the state, or simply large private, engineers and so on are no less than workers, respectively, and their salary cannot be large.

    All kinds of effective managers have a salary there. These econompensculants bred above the roof. The bastards are in charge of everyone, energy, nanotechnology, and aviation. Everything falls apart naturally.
  39. vel1163
    vel1163 4 January 2016 01: 04
    +2
    How much can you say about China that all their economic miracles are connected with the opening of the markets of the USA and Europe for their goods. I remember in the 80s that it struck me that America had terrible quality Chinese electronics, bulk cartridges in supermarkets. At that time ours was a hundred times better but not sold in America. Give markets and we will have everything.
    1. Nekarmadlen
      Nekarmadlen 4 January 2016 03: 35
      +2
      It would be worthwhile only in the 80 years to bring to the United States a reel tape recorder Yauza, a lamp TV pace and an electronic watch and behind them the line would stand, as on the first day of the sale of a new iPhone)))))
  40. would
    would 4 January 2016 06: 10
    +4
    I went over my eyes and decided to note a couple of things

    China is agriculture. The goal was to feed the country and make it independent of the supply of products from outside. It was agriculture that has always been China's top priority since the late 1970s, when peasants were allowed to work in the market with Chinese characteristics.


    Here the author does not mention the population of the PRC which needs so much food and, most importantly, the consequences of a sharp breakthrough in agriculture in the PRC. Achieve high yields with extremely aggressive cultivation technologies with very rapid soil degradation, which led to massive desertification and harassment with all the serious consequences in the short term for the environment, the country, people, the economy. Well, their vegetables and fruits are a rare rubbish even to taste. Apples can easily be cardboard or with a slight herbal taste, but without the taste of an apple. And so, at best, almost everything.


    The main energy heart of China has become coal. Moreover, we must understand that the industrialization of China began not in 1980-x, but much earlier. The growth of coal production during the reign of the Chinese Communist Party is simply colossal and has no analogs in history:


    And the author forgets to say what such consumption led to and as a result of coal combustion. Total smog and incredible air pollution. And this is a sharp increase in diseases and their rejuvenation. It is not for nothing that the youngest patient with lung cancer lives in the PRC. Here, the same factories are also making their own contribution, which reduce the cost of completely ignoring the environment. "After us, even a flood", but everything happened while they were.

    I forgot about the quality of water and its lack.
  41. klopik1
    klopik1 4 January 2016 11: 00
    +2
    Russian industrialization 2.0
    Workers from UAZ stopped the conveyor due to low salaries
    [media = http: //73online.ru/readnews/39461]
  42. Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg 4 January 2016 11: 32
    0
    The Chinese stock exchange crashed again. Something is wrong in the Middle Kingdom.
    1. anew
      anew 4 January 2016 13: 44
      0
      Quote: Stauffenberg
      The Chinese stock exchange crashed again. Something is wrong in the Middle Kingdom.

      It has long been known that. Old "socialist" state-owned enterprises. You cannot go bankrupt, because a lot of people work there. And a lot of money is spent on maintenance. So he sausages them periodically.
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  43. Rock2
    Rock2 4 January 2016 12: 03
    0
    Not in the subject, but very interesting:

    http://warfiles.ru/show-104777-mne-stydno-za-otechestvennuyu-elektroniku-opozori
    lis-na-ves-mir.html

    How so?
  44. zav
    zav 4 January 2016 12: 13
    0
    You know, the most dangerous thing is not industrialization or degradation per se. The most dangerous thing to use aircraft is takeoff and landing, and in politics and economics this is an era of change. Especially when the changes happen suddenly and grow like a snowball. It is not yet clear what China will stumble upon - on finances, ecology, social programs or reckless gestures in the military sphere and politics, but it will stumble necessarily. The Chinese will still cry about China, which they have already lost.
  45. klopik1
    klopik1 4 January 2016 12: 48
    -1
    Quote: Rock2
    Not in the subject, but very interesting:

    http://warfiles.ru/show-104777-mne-stydno-za-otechestvennuyu-elektroniku-opozori

    lis-na-ves-mir.html

    How so?

    The question as I understand it is rhetorical smile
  46. a71
    a71 4 January 2016 17: 32
    0
    Quote: sherp2015
    Quote: vlad66
    And what to discuss is that China found Deng Xiao Ping who crushed tanks of pro-Western Chinese Democrats in Tiananmen Square,


    Yes ... in the 91st villains defeated, and the country lost

    Well, let's say, the country (people) did not participate in the games, somehow did not care about them.
  47. Governor
    Governor 4 January 2016 18: 21
    +1
    The author, are you aware that a severe crisis is in full swing in the country ?! Urya Urya damn it ...
  48. andrereu74
    andrereu74 4 January 2016 20: 53
    0
    Manturov and other "ministers" read)))
  49. Mentat
    Mentat 4 January 2016 21: 29
    -1
    “Coal has become the main energy heart of the new China. Moreover, one must understand that the industrialization of the PRC did not begin in the 1980s, but much earlier. The growth of coal production during the reign of the Communist Party of China is simply colossal and knows no analogues in history. "

    Well, yes, the level of air pollution as a result of coal energy, and the state of soil water are also colossal and have no analogues. For reference, 70% of all water resources in China are polluted to a state unsuitable for consumption. But the Olympics had to stop the entire industry around Beijing, so that foreign guests did not breathe in all the colossal. People walk through the streets in respirators; in some areas of industrial cities with emissions it is generally impossible to enter without a gas mask.

    These enthusiasts have always been struck by China. There are successes in certain areas, but the price for them is not just considerable, it is unacceptable. Apparently, these enthusiasts do not even suspect the existence of GOST in the USSR. Russia will not go on the path of such destruction of the environment either. China decided to do this because apparently he considered that he had no other chances. This is their decision. But clapping and shouting praises to this tough compromise on the brink of disaster is not the smartest thing.
    1. lilian
      lilian 4 January 2016 22: 28
      0
      Here in England, the Thames for some time was a stinky gutter, but now there are fishing and eating the catch.
      For some time, some consider mocking nature to be acceptable, hoping or planning that it will recover after strengthening the economy.
    2. Nekarmadlen
      Nekarmadlen 5 January 2016 00: 44
      0
      But at the end of the 80s they showed on TV that in Japanese cities there was a huge gas contamination and that the Japanese in Tokyo periodically wore respirators and even fresh air devices were installed there)))) Then the truth somehow stopped showing .... and in the 2010 in Moscow was able in the summer and Muscovites wore respirators .... But only from Japan, no one thought to bring (((((
      1. Former battalion commander
        Former battalion commander 5 January 2016 17: 26
        0
        Tokyo is now a pretty clean city BUT! Due to what? Due to the fact that city POVERING was deprived of cars and forced to ride the subway and bicycles (the climate allows). For Moscow, this is unthinkable because of the climate as well.
  50. akula
    akula 4 January 2016 21: 37
    0
    Quote: GSH-18
    Quote: sherp2015
    Yes ... in the 91st villains defeated, and the country lost

    And these scoundrels, where suddenly in our country come from? Dramatically reeducated from trustworthy Soviet citizens ?? And if this is not so, then there is no need to sculpt a model from the socialist USSR for imitation at all times! And if these bastards were able to creep into such numbers in the Communist Party and other bodies, then the penniless price for this social regime, from which the great country collapsed!
    China sculpted its regime from ours, the Soviet one. But we have all gone through this. And we know how it ended, the people's hopes of surviving to communism did not materialize! And if not for Putin, then without the country (RF) would have remained as without pants in the 90s.
    Therefore, we should not copy the Chinese version under any pretext! RUSSIA has always had, is and will have its own, special way of development.

    They themselves wrote literally: "cadres decide everything" and it would not hurt to bring back the death penalty, so what is the special path of development? There are only two of them, either the Soviet-Chinese, or under the jurisdiction of the United States, there is no third thing to be seen.