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Minsk-2016

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The renewal of the agreement de facto shifts all the terms specified in it indefinitely.

The key question is about the election.

The closest deadline for the Minsk Agreement is February, when a new electoral law agreed with the republics and a constitutional reform should be adopted in Kiev. Compliance with the timing of these actions is a big question, not to mention the question - are they possible at all? In Europe and Russia, they even refuse to consider the option of abandoning Minsk-2: too much force was applied to agree on the final document. On the other hand, the failure of the Ukrainian side to comply with the deadlines will put Europe at a dead end. As Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov says, “Western partners are trying to hide the complete inability to discipline their wards in Kiev for shameful procedures related to the extension of sanctions against Russia.” Fortunately for Brussels, the impasse will be only rhetorical. Now the EU can even recognize the wrongness of Ukraine. Following this recognition, he will not have to immediately move on to politically unprofitable practical steps: anti-Russian sanctions have already been extended for half a year, and the question of their cancellation will be considered only after several months.

On the other hand, something needs to be tackled with local elections in the DPR and LPR scheduled for February and March. If by this time the election law agreed with the militias is not adopted, they will pass according to local, republican norms. And while this election also has not been canceled, despite the apparent resistance of Petro Poroshenko. The conditions of the elections he put forward without an agreed law are such that they will clearly not suit the republic. It would be rather strange, for example, to participate in the elections in the LC and the DNI of those Ukrainian parties that are rightly considered extremist in the east of Ukraine, and not only by their rhetoric. That is, the parties whose militants are fighting against those authorities where they would have to be elected.

Europe has so far taken an apparently neutral position - it continues to insist that the elections in the republics be held on time. But this is clearly a way to put pressure on the Ukrainian president, so that he feels the need to come out nevertheless on the version agreed with the LC and the DPR. Then, more to the point, the position of Brussels may change.

In general, the transfer of the implementation of the Minsk agreements to the 2016 year gives the parties a respite in time. As the Kremlin’s press service said, the Foreign Ministers of the Normandy Four were tasked with conducting a “thorough inventory of the implementation of the Minsk agreements” at the beginning of 2016. Inventory, not monitoring. This means that the extension of the agreement not only shifts the deadline for their termination, but also assumes that as a result, all the other terms laid down in them will also “float”.

At the same time, information on the outcome of the Quartet talks is now mainly coming from Moscow. This suggests that Russia has achieved quite satisfactory arrangements.

The main thing is not to shoot

For the DPR with the LPR, extending the agreement is even beneficial: “For us, this means extending the truce, and therefore the opportunity to engage in state-building and restoring the DPR economy,” said Alexander Zakharchenko, head of the Donetsk People's Republic. In addition, the truce allows the leaders of the self-proclaimed republics to gain political points among external forces by demonstrating their peacefulness and readiness to implement the Minsk agreements. “We confirm our readiness to discuss modalities of holding elections in the DPR with the Kiev side. We are interested in these elections taking place, as this will increase the controllability of our territory and, consequently, will contribute to the improvement of the living standards of our citizens, ”says Zakharchenko. Yes, the Russian guard patriots call this ostentatious peacefulness as evidence of the upcoming “surrender of Novorossia”, but in fact this is a win-win strategy. The leaders of the DPR and the LPR propose Kiev to sit down at the negotiating table, while well aware that Ukraine will refuse them.

According to Sergei Lavrov, the Ukrainian president refuses to implement the Minsk agreements, based on domestic political motives. “Poroshenko had every opportunity to push through the radicals, through extremists who tried to accuse him of national treason, decisions that would embody this important document,” the Russian minister said. - Even the terms that were chosen, said that he wanted to bully and thus, probably, to gain some internal political points. How it turned out, I do not know. Ratings suggest otherwise. ” And, given these falling ratings, one can hardly hope that in the near future, Petro Poroshenko will change his position and begin the implementation of the Minsk agreements. We should not expect adequate behavior from the Verkhovna Rada - its current composition is too radical, and there will not be a new one, since neither Petro Poroshenko’s Block (with a rather low rating) nor Arseny Yatsenyuk’s supporters (with a practically zero rating) will allow new election.

Chancellor's hand

On the other hand, Poroshenko has no room for maneuver in terms of interpretations of Minsk - the agreements clearly spell out the steps that Ukraine should take. “It says there should be decentralization on a permanent basis in the constitution. This means the right to use the Russian language in the territory of Donbass, to special economic ties with Russia, the right to participate in the appointment of prosecutors, judges, have their own law enforcement agencies, including the people's police, and a number of things that were personally written by German Chancellor Angela Merkel French President Francois Hollande ", - said Sergey Lavrov.

At the same time, the very fact of these agreements, as well as the Russian-European consensus on the issue of refusal from escalation, restrain Kiev from various adventures. Yes, by default he is still allowed by external sponsors to engage in petty provocations and shelling. In Donetsk and Lugansk, they understand this and are not going to relax. “Unfortunately, I cannot say that the extension of the Minsk agreements will protect us from the death of militias and civilians, since during the truce, the Kiev security forces continue to send sabotage groups and bombard our peaceful cities,” Zakharchenko explained. At the same time, one of the leaders of the DPR, in a conversation with the Expert Online correspondent, made it clear that the republic was extremely serious about the concentration of the Ukrainian army near the contact line, and even preparing for a full-fledged attack.

And the figure of the speaker

But it is just unlikely, since Poroshenko is well aware that in the case of transition to active hostilities, neither the EU nor even the United States will seriously support him. Moreover, Europe in this case, as at the beginning of 2015 of the year, may turn a blind eye to the subsequent counter-offensive of the militias with the release of new territories from Kiev. Therefore, the Ukrainian leader has no way out - he has to sit, sadly watching the EU and the US lose interest in him, and hope that Putin will make a mistake and prove to Europe that it needs a Ukrainian outpost to fight the aggressive and unpredictable Russia. But there should be no mistakes - on the contrary, the Kremlin headed for the status quo. This, in particular, explains the connection to the Contact Group on the settlement of the crisis around Ukraine, the former State Duma Speaker Boris Gryzlov, who can be described as a master of compromise. If the Kremlin needed breakthroughs, or turning the Minsk or Normandy format into a place for serious and heated discussions, other people would be appointed.
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  1. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 3 January 2016 14: 05 New
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    Of course, I do not have the strategic information to make any conclusions and forecasts. But my personal opinion is that it is impossible to agree on anything with Ukraine in its current state. In any case, everything will be abandoned and nothing will be observed. Need to negotiate with their owners - with the United States. Or with the leaders of the next Maidan, who will simply sweep away the current ruling elite. I think that he will not wait long.
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 3 January 2016 14: 07 New
      +8
      Quote: Reserve officer
      it is impossible to agree on anything with Ukraine in its current state.

      Yes, they don’t agree with her in principle, but it’s they who kill the peaceful ....
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 3 January 2016 14: 14 New
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        Poroshenko is well aware that in the event of a transition to active hostilities, neither the EU, nor even the United States will seriously support it.

        But they will not let fall:
        1. cniza
          cniza 3 January 2016 14: 55 New
          +8
          The USA and the West have led themselves to a standstill and simply do not know what to do, they are tired of Ukraine, and they don’t know how to get out of the situation and save their face, so everything will be frozen so far.
          1. NIKNN
            NIKNN 3 January 2016 14: 59 New
            +7
            Quote: cniza
            The USA and the West have led themselves to a standstill and simply do not know what to do, they are tired of Ukraine, and they don’t know how to get out of the situation and save their face, so everything will be frozen so far.


            Malicious enemies do not get so much as cunning friends. request
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          1. Sid.74
            3 January 2016 15: 13 New
            +4
            Quote: cniza
            The USA and the West have brought themselves to a dead end and simply do not know what to do, they are tired of Ukraine, but they don’t know how to get out of the situation and save face

            You have no idea how you are right ... smile

            The Wall Street Journal: European officials are already sick of Ukraine
            The publication notes that, according to the Ukrainians themselves, "Maidan" could not establish the rule of law and overcome the corruption of power. As recent polls have shown, only 5% of Ukrainians believe that the new government took up the problems that allowed the coup d'état to occur.

            “This failure also disappoints the patrons of Ukraine in the West, who threw all their forces to support the next government, after the promise of the leaders of the 2004 revolution of the year“ to throw the gangsters into prison ”remained almost unfulfilled”

            During his visit to Kiev, Vice President of the United States Joe Biden said that "this may be the last chance for Ukraine." "Please for all of us ... don't miss it."- the newspaper quotes the words of an American politician.

            Meanwhile, activists, journalists and diplomats are blaming the already new Ukrainian government for corruption, including Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk. The charges are being put forward against the Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin, who was appointed by President Petro Poroshenko.

            For example, the US ambassador in Kiev, Jeffrey Payette, has repeatedly pointed out the inability of the Prosecutor General’s Office of Ukraine to conduct anti-corruption reforms. But, according to the WSJ source, criticism from Payette caused annoyance in Kiev.

            "They said:" How can he speak like that? We are not some kind of banana republic where you can say whatever you want, "a Western official told the publication.
            Link to the news in full. Http://www.rt.com/article/139962

            Yes, and one more thing ... the mouthpiece of the State Department represented by Radio Liberty, accused the Ukrainian media of total lies and the absence of the slightest objectivity, especially on the situation in the East of the country. And this says Radio Liberty, which cannot live a day without Russophobia and slander against Russia. wink
            What conclusion can I make .... the selyuki in the power of Kiev got everyone. And now the West does not know how to move out of this topic.
        3. remy
          remy 4 January 2016 01: 54 New
          +3
          I still like this photo
      2. GSH-18
        GSH-18 3 January 2016 14: 16 New
        +6
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        Quote: Reserve officer
        it is impossible to agree on anything with Ukraine in its current state.

        Yes, they don’t agree with her in principle, but it’s they who kill the peaceful ....

        This "GLORY" skokls should be found and "thanked".
        A subtle hint: this "Slava" sits in Cueva and has many candy factories! lol
        1. Vladimir57
          Vladimir57 3 January 2016 14: 38 New
          18
          The glory of Ukraine has already been found ... laughing
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 3 January 2016 17: 03 New
            +6
            So here is what Glory of Ukraine ?! The face of, you might say, the majority laughing nation of traitors and executioners.
            1. Sergey Polt
              Sergey Polt 4 January 2016 21: 29 New
              0
              It is surprising that ho ..., iz, Ukrainians do not climb onto this site. It seems like a holy place, and with the arguments everything is not bad ...
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      3. Senior manager
        Senior manager 4 January 2016 09: 20 New
        0
        Interesting - BrON is a Jewish name, and the surname is Russian. What kind of entertainers are these southern Russians.
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 3 January 2016 14: 13 New
      +7
      Europe in this case, as at the beginning of 2015, can turn a blind eye to the subsequent counterattack of the militias with the removal of new territories from Kiev.

      Which is very desirable! Since the LC and the DNI SHOULD enter their borders. And first of all, to move the line of contact from Donetsk. Otherwise, their hips will be fired for life from everything that flies.
    3. Finches
      Finches 3 January 2016 14: 14 New
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      Comrades! All the year 2016! As for Minsk - I think that in Ukraine there is already some kind of solution between all the players and we will see the implementation of this decision in the coming year ...., but the team of Poroshenko, Yatsenyuk ... etc., this is no longer will have nothing to do! If only as a minimum, outsiders, and maximum, as the accused ....! Which is more preferable!
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 3 January 2016 17: 08 New
        +2
        I welcome Eugene, all the saddest things for Banderkraine will begin after the lifting of the moratorium on the sale of Ukrainian land in 2015. In the meantime, these glory Ukraine will torment Donbass. Porsenko is actively hiding his fat in geyropov. Yaytsenyuh already got passports.
        These have escape routes. The FSA ambassador is preparing a replacement for them: for the premieres of sukashvili, for the president of Yarosh or for Panimash nalivaichenko himself.
        Happy New Year 2016 to all.
        1. Finches
          Finches 3 January 2016 22: 54 New
          0
          Good evening! hi
          Plus, the status does not allow you to set, therefore, I simply agree with the unpredictable policy of the curators of Ukraine from the USA!
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      3. RUSS
        RUSS 3 January 2016 17: 54 New
        +3
        Quote: Finches
        Comrades! All the year 2016! As for Minsk - I think that in Ukraine there is already some kind of solution between all the players and we will see the implementation of this decision in the coming year ....

        And meanwhile-
        Ukrainian language in schools of the DPR will be studied optionally

        In the schools of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR), the Ukrainian language will be taught on an optional basis, Denis Pushilin, Permanent Plenipotentiary of the Republic at the talks of the trilateral contact group in Minsk, said on the air of the Russian News Service.

        “Mandatory (in schools DNR is studied - approx. RSN) Russian language. The Ukrainian language is still being studied. In the future, we plan to make it optional so that it can be studied, like other languages, ”Pushilin explained.


        In June 2015, the rector of Moscow State University. MV Sadovnichy, MV Lomonosov, stated that secondary education certificates issued by the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk republics will be considered by Russian universities as documents confirming completion of secondary education.

        “It is clear that Donetsk and Lugansk are those people who lived on the territory of the USSR and through no fault of their own ended up abroad. They can do it. We will take the necessary exams, tests. They bring only their certificate, ”the rector said at a meeting with reporters. He noted that schoolchildren of Donbass will receive certificates of neither Ukrainian nor Russian standard.
    4. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 3 January 2016 14: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: Reserve officer
      Need to negotiate with their owners - with the United States. Or with the leaders of the next Maidan. I think that he will not wait long.

      Today you don't understand who is the boss of Ukraine - whether the United States, or Germany, or Poland. Ukrainians want to please everyone equally, not realizing that the West is homogeneous (and even then not all) only in the matter of causing political and economic damage to Russia, and not in the matter of the bright future of Ukraine. The Americans are not interested in any negotiations in the "Normandy format" - otherwise they would have raised the question of participation in such agreements long ago. All hemorrhoids with the implementation of various "Minsk" the States hang on the EU and Russia, reserving the right only to demand "compliance with the agreements" as a basis for sanctions against the Russian Federation.
      I think we will not wait for the next Maidan - on the horizon there are no serious organizers and beneficiaries (including from among foreign states) from the next "hydrological revolution".
      1. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 3 January 2016 14: 31 New
        +2
        And there are many lords ... and they have Ukraine as they want. In general, all this vaguely reminds me of the Treaty of Brest, and Lev Davidovich with his: "No peace, no war, but the army to dissolve."
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Quote: Reserve officer
        Need to negotiate with their owners - with the United States. Or with the leaders of the next Maidan. I think that he will not wait long.

        Today you don't understand who is the boss of Ukraine - whether the United States, or Germany, or Poland. Ukrainians want to please everyone equally, not realizing that the West is homogeneous (and even then not all) only in the matter of causing political and economic damage to Russia, and not in the matter of the bright future of Ukraine. The Americans are not interested in any negotiations in the "Normandy format" - otherwise they would have raised the question of participation in such agreements long ago. All hemorrhoids with the implementation of various "Minsk" the States hang on the EU and Russia, reserving the right only to demand "compliance with the agreements" as a basis for sanctions against the Russian Federation.
        I think we will not wait for the next Maidan - on the horizon there are no serious organizers and beneficiaries (including from among foreign states) from the next "hydrological revolution".
    5. Sid.74
      3 January 2016 14: 20 New
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      Quote: Reserve officer
      You need to negotiate with their owners - with the United States.

      That's what it is that, under the strict control of the United States, a toy called Ukraine has finally broken, and not to pay for it, and they are not going to answer for it. The EU refused to pay for the loss of Kiev from the Russian embargo imposed in response to the Euro-Association. Fenita la comedy. Schenie still died.

      That is why Biden’s words about federalization. This is a mutually exclusive statement of the kooky power of Kiev. That’s why Yarosh’s departure from the right sector, that's why it’s a dirty trick for the new year for Crimea, that's why the incompetent words of the maydanut Tatars about the blockade of Crimea.
      Everyone is now trying to get rid of any responsibility ... even the slightest.
      Even the oligarchs were eliminated and silenced ... I suppose some politicians in Kiev even pray to God that the militia go on the attack ... so at least you can write off your incapacity to Moscow.

      And what is characteristic of Ukraine in the pre-election speeches of presidential candidates
      no, from the word at all. And why ... because ... because a bunch of uncontrollable self-serving debil in Kiev is unable to do anything except to lie, steal ... they cannot even build a dictatorship. And they don’t know how to build a priori.

      And yet, one moment ... The rabbit put up for sale absolutely the whole country ... so what? Buyers come, look, but don't buy ... request
      Even Soros's ghoul .... and why? Because there is a chance that the militia attack will begin ... and they will show all the papers on the property right only to the fugitive Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk ... because the country called Ukraine will simply be liquidated .. Together with external debts. There is no country, there is no debt. Novorossiya will not be considered the successor of Ukraine. wink
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 3 January 2016 17: 25 New
        +4
        Quote: Sid.74
        since a country called Ukraine is simply being liquidated.

        I’d better soon.
        1. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 3 January 2016 20: 23 New
          0
          This is how everything is going ... I think that our leadership will not tolerate all this gopota like "gray wolves" and so on on our borders ..
    6. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 3 January 2016 14: 32 New
      +2
      As long as Washington’s hand holds Poroshenko tightly, the Donbass will remain a hotbed of tension that will constantly flare up and go out at the request of the world gopnik!
    7. Dimon19661
      Dimon19661 3 January 2016 14: 47 New
      +1
      Yes, the next Maidan is not soon, the mattresses have no alternative yet.
    8. vovanpain
      vovanpain 3 January 2016 14: 49 New
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      Quote: Reserve officer
      You need to negotiate with their owners - with the United States.

      It is useless, these themselves do not seem to know what to do with it.
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 3 January 2016 17: 09 New
        0
        This doctor is angry grave digger in the cemetery.
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    9. Bkmz
      Bkmz 3 January 2016 14: 51 New
      +3
      At least until the end of the war there will be no Maidan, it is for this that the war was unleashed in order to utilize especially zealous revolutionaries.
    10. avt
      avt 3 January 2016 15: 18 New
      +4
      Quote: Reserve officer
      Of course, I do not have strategic information to make any conclusions and forecasts. But my personal opinion is that it is impossible to agree on anything with Ukraine in its current state.

      And no one agrees. Everyone performs surprise - under the words about the world they see that the first will break. The fact that there will be a war - alas, I have no doubt a single gram. request The ruin seems to have done everything that the IMF demanded, including the law on homosexuals, and they did not give them $ 3,2 yards of the promised tranche for 2015. That means that everyone can write off only through the utilization of the Great Aurora through the war and the famine of the older generation. Well, and to whom they will write off all this ....... nothing new, cunning, smart.
      Quote: Reserve officer
      You need to negotiate with their owners - with the United States.

      wassat laughing About what! So that they close the Russophobian project, the personnel for which they have been training since 1944, when they took the ukronatsiks into their hands! ??? Dreaming, you are an unbridled optimist!
      Quote: Reserve officer
      Or with the leaders of the next Maidan, who will simply sweep away the current ruling elite.

      There will be no Maidan, by analogy with the previous ones, there will be feudalization of the Ruins in accordance with the results of the elections under the existing oligarchs, which they have already done in practice. Well, the specific alignment will be proportional to the quantitative composition of the LDNR army of volunteers from the field - then there will be at least some chance not to stupidly die out as a biological species, or live on a reservation, giving way to migrants from the Levant, but somehow survive within the framework of New Russia and arrange life.
    11. The black
      The black 3 January 2016 15: 47 New
      +4
      That's right ... there is a saying ..., "the fate of the ram must be negotiated with the shepherd, not with the ram" smile
    12. Asadullah
      Asadullah 3 January 2016 16: 40 New
      +3
      But my personal opinion is that it is impossible to agree on anything with Ukraine in its current state.


      Yes, no one negotiates with her. The main thing is to build Nord Stream 2, and then Ukraine will be bent down with a simple shout. I'm afraid that in this position, its charms will not seduce anyone, too advanced venereal diseases. As I understand it, Russia does not treat her on purpose, and those who do not cope with the desire will themselves have a whole zoo of amusing diseases.
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 3 January 2016 16: 50 New
        0
        Quote: Asadullah
        The main thing is to build Nord Stream 2,

        The pipe is the main goal of the foreign policy of the Russian Federation. fellow
        1. Asadullah
          Asadullah 3 January 2016 18: 04 New
          +1
          The pipe is the main goal of the foreign policy of the Russian Federation


          Unfortunately, today this is the only way to create a tangible present and virtual future. But again, today. Tomorrow, and it was pushed back year after year, while the price of hydrocarbons was rising, and so, tomorrow is already really starting to gather today. In the meantime, there is a lot of truth in your words. Just do not forget, the pipe is not for the sake of the pipe and the personal interests of a handful of millionaires, it would be easier for them to work under the American tune, incomparably, the pipe for the sake of today's assembly of tomorrow.
    13. Rom14
      Rom14 3 January 2016 16: 56 New
      +2
      First of all, the DPR and LPR need to negotiate and unite with each other, (they wanted to go to Novorossiya) but apparently the two princelings do not want to share power ... This will be a powerful political step towards peace. One Army, one General Staff, it will no longer be a splayed palm but a fist. And political recognition will follow from friendly countries. But "business" is probably more important .....
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    15. g1v2
      g1v2 3 January 2016 17: 17 New
      +1
      Ukraine is simply unprofitable world. But such a freezing of the conflict is even more unprofitable. The only option that would be advantageous for her is a military victory over the republics, but it is unattainable, because if something happens, like a year ago, vacationers can go to their grandmothers. And there is nothing to oppose the second strongest army in the world’s army - just different orders of forces and different weight categories. Th in dill zugzwang and any scenario is lost.
      For us, on the contrary, any option that Ukraine chooses is acceptable. Ukraine will go to the implementation of the Minsk agreements - we will get the federalization of Ukraine, the conflict will freeze - we will get a buffer zone and the constant weakening of the hostile state, we will refuse the agreements - we will be able to help the DPR and LPR inflict dill another military defeat and strengthen the position of the republics. Yes, we can wait as long as necessary, but Ukraine needs to make a choice, and the choice between bad options is always difficult. hi
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 4 January 2016 10: 29 New
        0
        Quote: g1v2
        Ukraine is simply unprofitable world.

        In the world there is only one country which does not benefit the world. The rest, including the Ukrainian oligarchs, are tightly tied to US interests with their capitals and crimes, which are still hushed up.
        Quote: g1v2
        any option that Ukraine chooses is acceptable

        A forceful solution, which sooner or later will be chosen by the Kiev punitive in the Donbass, is absolutely not acceptable for Russia. But now there is a clear feeling that it is precisely to this option that the development of the situation in Minsk-1,2 is pushing. Obviously, for any international agreement, all the more so for a serious military-political agreement like Minsk-1, the situation about the consequences of not fulfilling it both for politicians and for the state as a whole is always prescribed or clearly stipulated. Not only that, the Minsk Agreement itself does not contain a word about sanctions against the Kiev authorities, but also all responsibility for the implementation of these agreements lies with Russia. Moreover, in Moscow, no one even said a word, but what will happen if Kiev continues to ignore the Minsk agreements?
  2. izya top
    izya top 3 January 2016 14: 07 New
    +4
    what will happen sooner - a new boiler for cooking dill or peck quack from cirrhosis?
  3. Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 3 January 2016 14: 10 New
    +6
    The main thing is not to shoot? This is determined not in Minsk and not even in Kiev. It looks like this will not turn into another bogeyman like "Russia does not comply with the Minsk agreements". And how can Russia fulfill them, if all the actions prescribed in them should be carried out by Kiev, and it is not ordered by those who did not even sign these Minsk agreements.

    In the dry residue - there will have to be a war - and the Minsk agreements will not help. The stubborn in Europe and, especially, in the USA will understand that there will be nothing worthwhile from this - and the Minsk agreements are not needed.

    There are a lot of historical examples - the United States has always been drooling over all agreements and the UN and fought wherever they wanted, contrary to all agreements and resolutions. And the USSR without any agreement crushed fascist Germany in the 45, and not a single agreement would stop the Soviet Army on the Polish-German border of the 1924 year ...
  4. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 3 January 2016 14: 15 New
    +6
    An interesting article, it seems everything is the same, but I liked the way of presenting information and fairly fresh analytics. Thanks to the author. hi
  5. shinobi
    shinobi 3 January 2016 14: 19 New
    +4
    The United States is no longer in ruins, they have the biggest national show there, the pre-election race is unfolding. EU they are tired of mortally. Without the eastern districts and the Crimea in general, a dubious acquisition. Clowns in the parliament will not turn around, all is one khan.
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 3 January 2016 14: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: shinobi
      The United States is no longer in ruins, they have the biggest national show there, the pre-election race is unfolding. EU they are tired of mortally. Without the eastern districts and the Crimea in general, a dubious acquisition. Clowns in the parliament will not turn around, all is one khan.

      Trump is not the only one who amuses them there. They have "maydanutye" seize the admin. buildings and armed. They believe that the power in Washington is corrupt, corruption, the people are considered cattle. Somewhere I heard it word for word. Interestingly Nuland will bring cookies?
      About 150 armed people today occupy the administration of the Malur National Forest Reserve in the US state of Oregon
      1. poquello
        poquello 3 January 2016 14: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: Kil 31
        Trump is not the only one who amuses them there. They have "maydanutye" seize the admin. buildings and armed. They believe that the power in Washington is corrupt, corruption, the people are considered cattle. Somewhere I heard it word for word. Interestingly Nuland will bring cookies?
        About 150 armed people today occupy the administration of the Malur National Forest Reserve in the US state of Oregon

        ett naive remembered that the United States type separate states
  6. Stoler
    Stoler 3 January 2016 14: 22 New
    0
    Yes, this is some kind of new kind of hypocrisy!
  7. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 3 January 2016 14: 23 New
    +4
    The photograph reflects today's reality. Each of the three rides in his carriage and thinks more, as if to pull more blankets over himself ...
  8. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 3 January 2016 14: 31 New
    +2
    Minsk, Happy New Year! Happy New Song! Question - coma need your songs ???
  9. yuriy55
    yuriy55 3 January 2016 14: 47 New
    +4
    So that Ukraine does not spill the blood of civilians, not so much the Minsk Agreement is needed, which Kiev is not fulfilling due to the uncontrollability of the armed formations in the country, but a forceful decision. To whom to make this decision and to whom to execute are more appropriate questions in the current situation.
    The closed circle in this situation is ensured by the fact that the requirements of the parties, the conditions put forward by them are mutually excluded by non-compliance with the agreements by the Ukrainian authorities ...
    what
  10. vmo
    vmo 3 January 2016 14: 55 New
    +1
    And why do the poor agree to treat them.
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 3 January 2016 15: 01 New
      +4
      Quote: vmo
      And why do the poor agree to treat them.

      It’s time to start this business already ... drinks
      1. Wolverine
        Wolverine 3 January 2016 15: 47 New
        11
        go...
  11. Starik72
    Starik72 3 January 2016 15: 11 New
    +3
    And with whom to negotiate, with the insane, it is useless! It needs complete isolation or euthanasia! I do not see another.
  12. vobels
    vobels 3 January 2016 15: 24 New
    +2
    Quote: Starik72
    And with whom to negotiate, with the insane, it is useless! It needs complete isolation or euthanasia! I do not see another.

    Moreover, the euthanasia of the entire clan of power, so that this malicious seed would not germinate again.
  13. rus-5819
    rus-5819 3 January 2016 15: 38 New
    +1
    Europe has so far taken an outwardly neutral position - it continues to insist that elections in the republics be held on time.

    The old woman Europe is marasmus, so her own hemorrhoids are not very noticeable

    Poroshenko is well aware that in the event of a transition to active hostilities, neither the EU, nor even the United States will seriously support it.

    But I think Petyuni already has an American passport!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 3 January 2016 17: 23 New
      +4
      Quote: rus-5819
      But I think Petyuni already has an American passport!

      That is why they all press their hand to their hearts, when they sing the anthem, check "the state passport did not fall out?"
  14. Panabebis
    Panabebis 3 January 2016 16: 13 New
    0
    This suggests that Russia has reached quite agreeable arrangements.

    Arranging an arrangement for Russia is a drain! Even Laurus already says that Donbass is Ukraine! :(
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 3 January 2016 16: 33 New
      +6
      Quote: Panaebis
      This suggests that Russia has reached quite agreeable arrangements.

      Arranging an arrangement for Russia is a drain! Even Laurus already says that Donbass is Ukraine! :(

      We need all of Ukraine and Lavrov speaks correctly! Everything has its time... hi
  15. vv3
    vv3 3 January 2016 16: 40 New
    +3
    The Americans rule the Ukrainian state table, and they put their other European dolls at the negotiating table. In this situation, it’s impossible to agree. It’s their intention to sit amers at the table ... But this will not happen because they have directly opposite goals. To weaken everyone and yourself to rise even higher. Here you have the whole of Minsk. A futile project ...
  16. SklochPensioner
    SklochPensioner 3 January 2016 16: 55 New
    +3
    Europe "... can close its eyes to the subsequent counter-offensive of the militia with the squeezing of new territories from Kiev."

    Not "squeezing out", but liberation! More: Is Gryzlov a master of compromise? Well, I don't know, maybe what

    In general, the article seemed interesting, +
  17. Karabin
    Karabin 3 January 2016 17: 12 New
    +2
    Minsk 1,2 ... 5 .... 10 is a betrayal of the idea of ​​New Russia. Whether it is being fulfilled, or not being fulfilled, the vile essence of it will not change.
    1. Asadullah
      Asadullah 3 January 2016 18: 11 New
      +1
      Minsk 1,2 ... 5 .... 10 is a betrayal of the idea of ​​New Russia.


      You are mistaken. New Russia has already taken place. This is an alternative to fascist Ukraine. Now there can be no one-third of Ukraine, or the Nazi state or New Russia. Betrayal is impossible, as the left hand cannot betray the right.
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 3 January 2016 18: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: Asadullah
        . New Russia has already taken place.

        And what about LDNR from New Russia?
        Quote: Asadullah
        Now there can be no one third of Ukraine,

        In fact, it is. Default, but there is. With the authority recognized by Russia.
        1. Asadullah
          Asadullah 3 January 2016 19: 11 New
          0
          With the authority recognized by Russia


          The recognition is imposed by "partners". Payment for "European integration", so to speak. Nobody will tell us what Russia's movements cost in essence on their territory. But the fact, the absence of agents in large industrial cities, the absence of a scenario of people's local governments, showed that they loved Ukraine and considered something to be their relatives, and if not everything, then a lot is forgiven to the family. And now it is not in fact, but at the whim of influential financial centers. Who will pay for their whims for a while. That is, in fact, this territory is split both by regions and in a society where there are no indifferent people and citizens hate each other. They hate with deep hatred. And any side that has the upper hand will stir up this hatred with the greatest blood. It is for this reason that this hybrid formation is preserved.
  18. valokordin
    valokordin 3 January 2016 17: 15 New
    +1
    Quote: SklochPensioner
    Not "squeezing out", but liberation! More: Is Gryzlov a master of compromise? Well, I don't know, maybe what

    We do not need masters of compromise and talkers there. If Gryzlov is such, then the choice is a mistake. It must be openly stated that if the Nazis climb into Donbass, Russia will recognize the independence of New Russia
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 3 January 2016 17: 28 New
      0
      Quote: valokordin
      Quote: SklochPensioner
      Not "squeezing out", but liberation! More: Is Gryzlov a master of compromise? Well, I don't know, maybe what

      We do not need masters of compromise and talkers there. If Gryzlov is such, then the choice is a mistake. It must be openly stated that if the Nazis climb into Donbass, Russia will recognize the independence of New Russia

      We need Kiev! hi This is unambiguous and the topic is closed!
  19. sabakina
    sabakina 3 January 2016 17: 36 New
    +5
    Mikhalych, the campaign, Petro mastered Photoshop ...
    http://ren.tv/novosti/2016-01-03/ukraincy-podnyali-na-smeh-poroshenko-kotoryy-re
    shil-zanyat-mesto-putina-putem
  20. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 3 January 2016 17: 37 New
    +1
    Freezing the conflict is not beneficial to Dill and its current owners. Nobody wants to maintain this territory, but it is able to maintain itself.
    If there was no reason to declare sanctions to Russia, they should be invented! Russia should. For a long time, a mobilizing shake was needed, well, a reason to shake up the economy.
  21. Nymp
    Nymp 3 January 2016 17: 37 New
    +5
    I'm tired of a song about a gray bull, a tyagomotin called MINSK-2 with endless choruses and losses. Meanwhile, people continue to die in Novorossia, and in the meantime, the republics of the DPR and LPR remain unrecognized. Children are born with documents of unrecognized republics (count with fake ones), marriages are made with documents not recognized even by Russia! And on Russian TV they sing about how we support the "Russian world". Yes nat it already, almost no longer, because it is not recognized !!! And the song from the LP called MINSK-2 starts up again and again, ugh disgusting ...
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 3 January 2016 18: 33 New
      0
      Quote: Nymp
      I'm tired of a song about a gray bull, a tyagomotin called MINSK-2 with endless choruses and losses. Meanwhile, people continue to die in Novorossia, and in the meantime, the republics of the DPR and LPR remain unrecognized. Children are born with documents of unrecognized republics (count with fake ones), marriages are made with documents not recognized even by Russia! And on Russian TV they sing about how we support the "Russian world". Yes nat it already, almost no longer, because it is not recognized !!! And the song from the LP called MINSK-2 starts up again and again, ugh disgusting ...

      What do you suggest ..?
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 3 January 2016 21: 30 New
        0
        It is clear that Putin is trying with all his might to keep the situation in Ukraine from bloodshed, in any case, until the issue with the terrorists in Syria is resolved or at least its government, with the support of its allies, cannot independently conduct military operations there.
        I really hope that he will succeed, then it will be possible to resolve the Ukrainian issue and the Kiev regime, despite the support from the United States, Israel and the EU, will understand the futility of holding the territories of Donetsk and Luhansk regions and will give them up himself, although personally I am in such an outcome " affairs "I do not believe much.
  22. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 3 January 2016 22: 57 New
    +3
    I watched the news on January 1, the torchlight procession of the Neo-Bandera in Ukraine.
    We do not want to see the obvious.
    After the coup, Ukraine is a neo-fascist state. And the attitude to the resurgent fascism, authorities and sponsors of this criminal regime should be appropriate.
    But we agree on reconciliation with the Nazis.
    On May 9, I am ashamed that they betrayed those who fought against fascism. How much Russian blood was shed in Ukraine, two bloody waves of fighting during the retreat and liberation. How much effort and money was invested to raise from the ruins. And for what?
  23. samarin1969
    samarin1969 4 January 2016 06: 41 New
    0
    "that in the event of a transition to active hostilities, neither the EU, nor even The US will not seriously support him. Moreover, Europe in this case, as at the beginning of 2015, can cover its eyes to the subsequent counterattack of militias with pressing Kiev new territories. "... is this the author - seriously?