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PAK-200 field kitchen based on KamAZ

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At the Interpolitex-2015 security exhibition, held in Moscow in the second half of October, the PAK-200 field kitchen was demonstrated, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta.




The kitchen is based on the KAMAZ chassis and there are no trailed boilers of the post-war sample in its set.

According to the developers of the kitchen from the factory “Spetstekhmash” (Vsevolozhsk, Leningrad region), “due to better organization of the internal space and redistribution of equipment between the working areas, greater comfort will be achieved for the kitchen staff”.

“In the kunge there are three cooking pots with capacities from 80, 120 and 150 liters. The last two are combined with a baking sheet and oven. The boilers are heated with kerosene, diesel fuel or firewood. Perishable products are stored in a two-compartment refrigerator, other ingredients and bread - in two cabinets. There are two work tables for cooks, a bath for washing products, a vegetable cutter, a meat grinder and other mechanisms, ”the plant representatives told.



According to them, "PAK-200 is designed for cooking on 200 people, in Kunge there is a daily supply of food and 450 liters of drinking water."

It is also noted that “the heating, air-conditioning system and the filtering unit make it possible to cook dinner in any weather, even in contaminated areas.”



The calculation of the kitchen - 2 person.
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  1. tasey
    tasey 31 December 2015 13: 58 New
    17
    MOBDs in the Strategic Missile Forces - much better
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 31 December 2015 14: 00 New
      45
      Now it's time. War is war, and lunch is on schedule. good
      1. gjv
        gjv 31 December 2015 16: 05 New
        +6
        Quote: vovanpain
        War is war, and lunch is on schedule.

        Quote: andr327
        Especially the old 117 units.

        Quote: dchegrinec
        The Russian army should not be hungry.

        Quote: wicked pinnochio
        yes a soldier should always be fed especially after training or combat

        Both day and night field kitchens boil.
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    2. andr327
      andr327 31 December 2015 14: 03 New
      +3
      Especially the old 117 units. Not a dining room but a restaurant!
      1. Truth
        Truth 1 January 2016 15: 01 New
        +5
        If you just dream ...
        How many of their tanks will a hungry dill give for such a car if the guys from Novorossia offer an exchange deal?
        1. R-140
          R-140 2 January 2016 12: 23 New
          0
          And what a good idea !!!
      2. Kunar
        Kunar 1 January 2016 21: 54 New
        -6
        A dry drink is better .... I think so ....
        1. Lexa-149
          Lexa-149 2 January 2016 02: 19 New
          +4
          Of course, it is tasty, but you won’t last long on it. Gastritis will be provided!
          Therefore, the soldier must be fed fresh and hot food.
        2. PSih2097
          PSih2097 2 January 2016 03: 36 New
          +3
          Quote: Kunar
          A dry drink is better .... I think so ....

          for a week ... then even shrapnel steamed with tsimus will appear
      3. NDR-791
        NDR-791 2 January 2016 17: 38 New
        +1
        No, they came up with garbage !!! We had the old KP-48 and KP-130. Now, if you insert at least one of them into that KUNG, then the kapets will cook.
        Estimate yourself 80 + 120 + 150 of boiling water in the volume of even long KUNG (50 cubes) - a full kirdyk, and three times a day - a completely kirdyk. So this is a "kitchen for colonels and above." And the place of eating is a deck chair on the windward side of the solar exhaust.
        By the way, we in the Strategic Missile Forces used modules (military, residential, household) based on the then semi-axial MAZ. And that household serviced only officers, and behind our URALS KP-130 spiked. And the elephants came to us not to control, but to smack the seagull with smoke. But the solarium was not saved then, but the fighter should always be busy, therefore ARSH FOR THE FIREWOOD !!!
    3. gjv
      gjv 31 December 2015 14: 27 New
      36
      Quote: tasey
      MOBDs in the Strategic Missile Forces - much better

      Plyusanul, but it became curious: And what is much better? Is there a coupe?

      So this is the specifics of the destination. The composition and arrangement of kitchen equipment?



      So this business is acquired, again determined by purpose (number of eaters and cooking technology).
      That's exactly what the MOBD differs in its size. However, this is also the specifics of the destination. Such a car fits into the Strategic Missile Forces park, it is its own there. But in the park of a different kind of troops with such dimensions, this is unlikely. hi
      1. Altona
        Altona 31 December 2015 15: 30 New
        15
        Quote: gjv
        That's exactly what the MOBD differs in its size. However, this is also the specifics of the destination. Such a car fits into the Strategic Missile Forces park, it is its own there.

        --------------------
        So what is the base chassis. In fact, the dining car ...
      2. Lexa-149
        Lexa-149 2 January 2016 02: 21 New
        +1
        Yeah ... It’s even hard to imagine such fucking as part of SMEs or SMEs. It can’t even be properly disguised in the area of ​​concentration.
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    5. svp67
      svp67 31 December 2015 14: 49 New
      17
      Quote: tasey
      MOBDs in the Strategic Missile Forces - much better
      Each vegetable has its own fruit. It's me that the PAK-200 is designed to provide power to our tank and motorized infantry units and is simply obliged to have excellent maneuverability and be small enough in size to make it easier to mask.
      And the old PAK-200 consisted of two halves, the PAK itself and the trailer
    6. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 31 December 2015 16: 58 New
      17
      AAAAAAAAAA !!!! my eyes!!!! why did I look at IT !!! we would have such a "kitchen" in the 81st ...! ate cold buckwheat (barley, rice) from cans with biscuits! (Magdeburg training ground) they drank “tea” from the ZIL 131 radiator ... romance yes, but God forbid anyone. laughing
      1. Sorokin
        Sorokin 31 December 2015 17: 24 New
        10
        In 1988, banks were dry on collectors in the morning heated. There are no firewood in the Uzbeks. And in the mornings, it’s only 10-12 degrees even in the afternoon under 45-50.
        1. Nick
          Nick 31 December 2015 19: 49 New
          +4
          Quote: Sorokin
          And in the mornings, then all 10-12 degrees even during the day under 45-50.

          Continental climate. What to do...
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 1 January 2016 12: 53 New
          +2
          Quote: Sorokin
          In 1988, banks were dry on collectors in the morning heated. There are no firewood in the Uzbeks. And in the mornings, it’s only 10-12 degrees even in the afternoon under 45-50.

          I thought ... one slice of bread drinks
          1. sergant67
            sergant67 1 January 2016 15: 02 New
            +5
            1988 Saryshagan (Priozersk). Bread in the form of batter under a burnt hill. Golem perlofan without salt in one big lump, canned goods stolen from officers (not every day), a toilet in stone chips with a depth of 0,5 meters, half l / s with intestinal disorders. For 14 days, minus 8 kg. At night, the temperature is about + 2-3 degrees. But fired at ex. There I first saw firing from 300 .....)))) Pleasant time. Nostalgia ...)))
            1. Lexa-149
              Lexa-149 2 January 2016 02: 29 New
              +7
              In our country, on the Tajik-Afghan border, one baker decided to make a free stop and disgusting baked bread. After a thorough conversation with the fighters, he began to get better bread in a field baker than in a stationary bakery of the 201st MSD!
              This is what BITIO DETERMINES CONSCIOUSNESS! wink
      2. Asadullah
        Asadullah 31 December 2015 17: 30 New
        +9
        we would have such a "kitchen"


        Possession of a certain VUS at all discourages craving for culinary delights. Dry, dry, trophy lamb with wild garlic in calcined zinc, and after the third war we still eat mainly cereals, with the expectation of a break in food intake. If you have to go without food all day, I’ll refuel with barley steamed in milk. A day without lunch, corn slice. Oh, and there is no need, but the habit of not breaking any restaurants, alas.
        1. Kunar
          Kunar 1 January 2016 22: 02 New
          +5
          That's right, ours !!! Food is divided into proteins, fats and carbohydrates. And in what capacity they hit the body, these are the problems of the Indians)))) 2645 grams and niipet ... Next to the wolf they feed their feet .... Tea didn’t come to eat .... Happy New Year !!!! fellow drinks
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 6 January 2016 20: 55 New
            0
            Quote: Kunar
            That's right, ours !!! Food is divided into proteins, fats and carbohydrates. And in what capacity they hit the body, these are the problems of the Indians)))) 2645 grams and niipet ... Next to the wolf they feed their feet .... Tea didn’t come to eat .... Happy New Year !!!! fellow drinks

            yes drinks
        2. Beerdoc
          Beerdoc 1 January 2016 23: 01 New
          11
          Let the little brother disagree. Just the presence of a specific VUS determines some skills. It is the need to form a diet in conditions of separation from a large boiler that develops culinary skills. This is the same pattern soldier and porridge from the ax. I don’t know what your rules were, but they taught me: a group officer must own everything, including the nutrition of personnel. I still have a meat elder in my family, and this is not a trophy product from the hunt, where the law is clear, an ordinary market-store. A daughter in a tavern sends a waiter to our table - to determine what to eat). On holidays, our woman - kicks us into the kitchen with kicks, we create there. In my circle of friends, all wives admit that we are wizards with this VUS, but lazy. Kum calls me and I climb into the refrigerator, and in the buffet for a glass, we discuss that pinch of salt, but smell that pile). Then we cut into a business trip or hunting. How many did not encounter, any soldier who knows how to act on a separation-cook. I saw from the jars soldered coffee makers-field, burners from standard consumables, I saw bended taganka-soldiers will always create comfort in the field). Therefore, they are afraid of us. We know how to fight without service. Something like this. The last phrase is not for likes, but real awareness of the sleepy colonel).
          1. Lexa-149
            Lexa-149 2 January 2016 02: 34 New
            +2
            soldered coffee makers-field

            Such things from an empty tin can and a steel bar were called “CHEFIR BAK” by my fighters! winked
            Cheap, cheerful, convenient, efficient and throwing away is not a pity!
            1. Beerdoc
              Beerdoc 2 January 2016 14: 35 New
              0
              Not). I had in mind a shaitan device soldered from two different-sized cans of non-scaffe. A dry fuel tablet is inserted into the lower compartment. Wash Ussuriites drove. In the first war I ran into terrible bronchitis, for 3 hours I could not crawl away from the boulder. A week with Ledum decoction works wonders.
          2. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 6 January 2016 20: 57 New
            0
            Quote: Beerdoc
            I saw from the jars soldered coffee makers-field, burners from standard consumables, I saw bended taganka-soldiers will always create comfort in the field). Therefore they are afraid of us

            Well ... what am I talking about? NATO will die, they can’t get tea from the radiator ... wassat
      3. Strezhevchanin
        Strezhevchanin 31 December 2015 20: 51 New
        +3
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Magdeburg) drank “tea” from the ZIL 131 radiator

        Tea!!!!! We poured mash in Kamazyaka)))))
        1. Kunar
          Kunar 1 January 2016 22: 04 New
          +5
          laughing And what for to pass state secrets?)))))))
      4. flay
        flay 1 January 2016 19: 34 New
        +1
        Oh ..... great-great-great-grandfather, dear YOU JUST "FAT" wink compared to us. Call spring 1991 .......
        Have you tried the "Soviet" version of the scourge of potato?
        I don’t even know, but the officers told us that “THIS” is ** ba put to the fighter in case there isn’t a normal lunch. We were fed because there was simply nothing to “eat” in the army in those years. GREECA, OH.). Oh. Buckwheat ... only on holidays.
        Only from the canteen we left hunger, "THIS" is not a brew, but there was no eating. Penza .... how did you think these soldiers were fed, and even during the "fighting"? belay
        If I then studied at the military-political school, cadet.
      5. Kunar
        Kunar 1 January 2016 21: 56 New
        +2
        drinks They endured the hardships and deprivations of military service ... According to the oath once given and what? drinks
    7. raketnik
      raketnik 31 December 2015 18: 53 New
      +2
      wow buddy ... where did such knowledge come from ?????
    8. Sergey Vladimirovich
      Sergey Vladimirovich 31 December 2015 19: 40 New
      +4
      MOBDs are generally a cottage on wheels with the possibility of organizing serious armed guards of the "summer cottages", there is EVERYTHING except a warm toilet ... It would be redone, expanding the kitchen and dining facilities and ultimately minimizing all the others .. There would be a theme! Maybe the chassis is newer, the ones on the Yars are now being used ... A dream ... hi
      1. Moore
        Moore 1 January 2016 08: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: Sergey Vladimirovich
        It would be redone, expanding the kitchen and dining facilities and ultimately minimizing all the others .. There would be a topic

        And why would rocketers need him then?
        Or is it type for personal use? wink
      2. Kunar
        Kunar 1 January 2016 22: 11 New
        +1
        PAK-200 looks a little different ....
        1. tokens3
          tokens3 1 January 2016 22: 23 New
          +2
          By the way ...
          the question is not only how and with what speed will the field kitchen move.
          The question is how quickly food will enter the soldier’s stomach, bypassing one ladle at all laughing
          Here the conveyor is needed. And quick sorting.
    9. Moore
      Moore 1 January 2016 08: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: tasey
      MOBDs in the Strategic Missile Forces - much better

      Type 231 MOBDs are also designed for 200 people?
      Why compare different units by the principle of application?
      At one time, in the Lida division, I noticed how 15T117 and PAK-200 for the ZBO quite coexist in the same division, which is no less respected.
    10. CHILD
      CHILD 1 January 2016 16: 51 New
      +1
      What are you talking about? ... How can you compare a car for comfortable movement of 10 people, with .... a mobile field kitchen for 200 people? !!! and why not a cruise ship?! ... there are 15 restaurants there .. ..)))
    11. Gora66
      Gora66 1 January 2016 19: 51 New
      0
      where does the MOBD and field mobile kitchen?
  2. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 31 December 2015 14: 04 New
    +5
    The number was not assigned very well, but in principle, these developments are important. The Russian army should not be hungry. There is still something to improve.
    1. Haettenschweiler
      Haettenschweiler 31 December 2015 14: 06 New
      20
      “She's not hungry because there aren’t enough kitchens!” And because the generals, money allocated, including for subsistence allowance, is “sawed” and put in their pocket. The "old" kitchens were no worse, just no matter how perfect the kitchenette was, it would not make a piece of meat from potato husks.
      1. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 31 December 2015 14: 26 New
        14
        Quote: Haettenschweiler
        “She's not hungry because there aren’t enough kitchens!” And because the generals, money allocated, including for subsistence allowance, is “sawed” and put in their pocket. The "old" kitchens were no worse, just no matter how perfect the kitchenette was, it would not make a piece of meat from potato husks.


        As I remember now - in the evening the dining room is closed by the chief, ensign, nicknamed "bad guy", so laden as a belaz goes home. What would he do so a hundred meters on the final run. I hope this disgrace is not respected today?
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        2. gjv
          gjv 31 December 2015 14: 38 New
          +5
          Quote: iliitch
          I hope this disgrace is not respected today?

          December 26, 2015 was an article Pro service in a scientific company. Reread http://topwar.ru/print:page,1,88239-pro-sluzhbu-v-nauchnoy-rote.html
          Description of a serving of meat in the dining room is a complete "delight". request
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 31 December 2015 16: 25 New
            14
            Quote: gjv
            Description of a serving of meat in the dining room - complete "delight"

            I was in the partisans last year in Vyborg for 10 days. The shooting range was 6 days for 16 hours and I had to eat in the field. Here's what I can tell you: All this is fable about the buffet and pickles for soldiers. There is enough food, but how it was impossible to eat all remains. Although now there is civil service, but the pasta is so boiled, it is placed on a plate like a snot.
            1. Maxom75
              Maxom75 31 December 2015 18: 35 New
              10
              a relative is studying at KVVAUL so says that when the generals and commissions arrive, they make a buffet, after leaving the top ranks everything again slides to rice, buckwheat and goulash. The buffet turns into a regular canteen, though of poor quality.
            2. Maxom75
              Maxom75 31 December 2015 20: 22 New
              +6
              Because they do not follow the technology, cook on time, then rinse so as not to stick together. Boil the paste no longer than 10cm, as in the field it will be uncomfortable to eat it. Just master the money and do not care about the quality. if the money was paid in stages and partly as a premium for quality by the number of positive reviews. To do this, you need a buffet, and the menu was made by the number and choice of product by the military. And then we have a carriage on the fiber menu, and animal trouble is a disaster. Look at our youth, undersized and dead rickets. nutrition needs to be changed, emphasis on proteins and fresh fiber (fruits and vegetables). Less pasta and soy. Soya is a product of poor countries, rich countries of soybeans feed livestock, not the population.
            3. Teamon
              Teamon 31 December 2015 21: 15 New
              +4
              I sympathize with you .. In my year of service (2009-2010) in the village. Mulino just the same was a sin to complain about food .. They fed civilians. Twice a day and every day eggs. In the mornings, there was a sausage and a meat .. Dad told me that they were given eggs in the Soviet Union only on Sundays))). And even when we were on a business trip in Kapustnoy Yar, they were fed as scheduled ..)) Grechechka with a stew mmm ... The only moment was when we rode on that m Yar in the camp kitchen so they cooked pasta that they looked like butter belay laughing
            4. Tiger4
              Tiger4 1 January 2016 12: 49 New
              +2
              Window dressing remained window dressing! He served 81-83, was in the partisans in the 88th .... In my opinion, nothing has changed ((
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 1 January 2016 17: 49 New
                +1
                Quote: Tiger4
                Window dressing remained window dressing! He served 81-83, was in the partisans in the 88th .... In my opinion, nothing has changed ((

                87-89 had to shoot a little, in comparison with the modern level, only the barracks were painted. In the partisans 2014 When shooting, I was struck by the level of organization, everything was military ............. it's just a miracle that they didn’t fail anyone, though one nevertheless they squeezed a leg with a foot, not in my unit.
        3. Tiger4
          Tiger4 1 January 2016 12: 47 New
          0
          Honored! Otherwise, colleagues will not understand!
      2. VP
        VP 1 January 2016 21: 55 New
        0
        I talked with the current demobilization - no one was starving. Someone even fattened fattening.
        What army did you write about? Does that apply to your flag?
        1. Haettenschweiler
          Haettenschweiler 2 January 2016 13: 37 New
          -3
          Quote: VP
          I talked with the current demobilization - no one was starving. Someone even fattened fattening.
          What army did you write about? Does that apply to your flag?


          - Of course, they fed better than at home. "I'm an ordinary engineer" - is it not you, an hour? It’s painfully similar. And about the flag ... to be honest ... you are tired of asking, deprived of the brain and ingenuity. The guy who created the first comment seems to be writing from the past - from the USSR? In which someone sneaked a network cable?
  3. Proxima
    Proxima 31 December 2015 14: 10 New
    +6
    A healthy diet provides a healthy body, and a healthy mind in a healthy body. Raised spirit is the most important criterion for an invincible army. Once I came across an article about the war kitchen of the times of the Second World War. It was very interesting to read. It seems to be a trifle, but a lot depended on this "trifle". It is gratifying that the Russian Defense Ministry is also paying attention to this issue.
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 31 December 2015 14: 30 New
      +7
      This is a very important "trifle" ... The main thing is that quality food and the required quantity should be delivered to this kitchen on time ..
      Quote: Proxima
      A healthy diet provides a healthy body, and a healthy mind in a healthy body. Raised spirit is the most important criterion for an invincible army. Once I came across an article about the war kitchen of the times of the Second World War. It was very interesting to read. It seems to be a trifle, but a lot depended on this "trifle". It is gratifying that the Russian Defense Ministry is also paying attention to this issue.
      1. Kunar
        Kunar 1 January 2016 22: 19 New
        +1
        What is it? Erotic fantasies ??? bully drinks
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 31 December 2015 19: 10 New
      +3


      A healthy diet gives a healthy body ...
      it sounds better: "healthy nutrition gives healthy body" ... (whale) Happy New Year, do not be offended by a joke ...) drinks
  4. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 31 December 2015 14: 13 New
    15
    People pulled at the festive table and relevant topics appeared.
  5. GABALIS
    GABALIS 31 December 2015 14: 14 New
    +9
    Water held "tear your eyes out" I understand the main practicality, but at least a little bit of aesthetics smile
    Happy New Year comrades !!!
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 31 December 2015 14: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: vovanpain
      Now it's time. War is war, and lunch is on schedule.

      Yes, we criticize that it’s not so, it’s not. And you look at how soldiers are fed in NATO countries. What kind of soldiers do they have? Yes, they gave their five for one of ours. I will not comment on our army, but how they feed the army for Those wishing to find themselves abroad, but this topic is interesting. I read a lot about how the Wehrmacht and the allied armies were fed during the 2nd World War.
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 31 December 2015 14: 56 New
        11
        Quote: Amurets
        And you look at how soldiers are being fed in NATO countries. What kind of dry land do they have? Yes, they gave their five for one of ours.

        The NATO field ration is stored for a long time, everything is packed in sealed bags, beautifully. Only one trouble, it is possible only with very great hunger, so everything is tasteless, 50% of soy and 50% of the devil knows what. About four years ago he took five different packages, went fishing, and threw half out. There is no better Russian IRP.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 31 December 2015 15: 13 New
          +7
          In 89 they gave German rations as humanitarian aid. Everything except the Italian stew was pretty good. Or I was hungry drinks ? Happy New Year to all! drinks
          1. kil 31
            kil 31 31 December 2015 15: 42 New
            +8
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            In 89 they gave German rations as humanitarian aid. Everything except the Italian stew was pretty good. Or I was hungry drinks ? Happy New Year to all! drinks

            We were given ours at 93m, but some German had biscuits. Everyone tried both ours and German. Everyone liked our rusks more. Video in the topic. Well, one by one for the New Year. hi drinks
        2. dr.star75
          dr.star75 31 December 2015 16: 08 New
          +2
          NATO different happens. What kind of talk are you talking about?
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 31 December 2015 17: 07 New
            +3
            I don’t remember anymore. Plastic taupe bags. They vary on the menu. He took five different. Totally did not like one. Spaghetti with some kind of creepy sauce threw right after opening, without risking to try, the smell is still the same. Although the shelf life has not yet expired, and kept at home in the refrigerator, just in case.
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 1 January 2016 13: 13 New
              0
              Quote: novobranets
              , and kept it at home in the refrigerator, just in case.
              refrigerator, where did you take it?
              1. novobranets
                novobranets 1 January 2016 15: 11 New
                0
                Quote: Andrew Y.
                refrigerator, where did you take it?

                ?
                1. Andrey Yuryevich
                  Andrey Yuryevich 1 January 2016 18: 02 New
                  +1
                  suddenly someone comes ...)))))
                  1. novobranets
                    novobranets 2 January 2016 06: 42 New
                    0
                    Quote: Andrew Y.
                    suddenly someone comes ...)))))

                    laughing laughing laughing good
            2. flay
              flay 1 January 2016 21: 34 New
              0
              Ohhhh ... thanks ....... I served with the "conscious" canned food, a nightmare. Interesting
              see LI .. to look at pleasure, to those who ALL HAS PASSED smile
              THANKS, YOU ARE NOT ANGRY AT YOUTH "BUT I DO NOT WANT TO RECEIVE THIS NIGHTMAR))))) hi
        3. tol100v
          tol100v 31 December 2015 16: 14 New
          +5
          Quote: novobranets
          . There is no better Russian IRP.

          In quality and calorie content - that's for sure! And the fact that they took up the modernization of the "convoy" is only a big plus! Probably, power supply (except firewood and liquid fuel) is provided.
        4. Amurets
          Amurets 1 January 2016 02: 08 New
          +3
          Quote: novobranets
          The NATO field ration is stored for a long time, everything is packed in sealed bags, beautifully. Only one trouble, it is possible only with very great hunger, so everything is tasteless, 50% of soy and 50% of the devil knows what. About four years ago he took five different packages, went fishing, and threw half out. There is no better Russian IRP.

          In the spring of 1971, a group of soldiers and officers of our regiment returned from Vietnam. They brought American emergency lunches as well. Nobody brought the most valuable. They all took Bowie’s knife at the customs. to disinfect and clean. Happy New Year to you forum users who passed and did not pass training fields and training grounds, military operations and peaceful service. All of us once defended the Homeland. HAPPY NEW YEAR!
          1. would
            would 3 January 2016 10: 46 New
            0
            For an emergency foreign (I will not say for ours), a side ration is unfortunately normal. It can generally consist entirely of some strange white powder tiles, biscuits, candies (!!!), something similar to an oil biscuit. Minimum weight, minimum dimensions, maximum shelf life. But if you don’t particularly move, then you can stretch it for several days.
        5. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 1 January 2016 13: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: novobranets
          There is no better Russian IRP.

          yBrat, call me, minus mine. for garlic, they took IRP, BUT !!! if the Man, himself and the company could not feed, penniless, the price to him. drinks
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 1 January 2016 15: 13 New
            0
            Quote: Andrew Y.
            yBrat, call me, minus mine. for garlic, they took IRP, BUT !!! if the Man, himself and the company could not feed, penniless, the price to him.

            Again I did not understand. requestHappy New Year! drinks
        6. Kunar
          Kunar 1 January 2016 22: 21 New
          +2
          That's where + so +
  6. dr.star75
    dr.star75 31 December 2015 14: 16 New
    +3
    We are waiting for admission to the troops. Judging by the description, good weight!
    1. Maxom75
      Maxom75 31 December 2015 18: 55 New
      17
      it is possible for the Spetstekhmash plant (Vsevolozhsk, Leningrad Region) this model of kitchen is a breakthrough technology, but what I saw does not even pull the threesome. It looks wretched and will be the same in operation. The quality of the plates, the method of connection (overlapping) has not been applied for a long time, the pipelines are not sufficiently fixed to the wall (at least every 20 cm should be) - this is the field kitchen. Modularity of equipment is not provided. How will the distribution be made? Will there be plates on the kitchen floor at the entrance? The curtains on the windows are heavy (apparently rubberized) will sag, stretch, collect dust and grease they can not be removed and replaced or washed (or replaceable need or hard). I don’t see ventilation and hoods, but this is the kitchen! Not a single timer with a sound signal (readiness indicator on time). In addition to the tanks there is not a word about the frying pans, is there any titanium? Boxes for storage of tableware. How is it planned to disinfect the premises? Can steam and quartz treatment be possible? This is a field kitchen, ventilation should be powerful and provided with filters, will there be air conditioning in the room? If you do it wisely, and not on "God be with you, that we are worthless."
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 1 January 2016 07: 14 New
        +3
        Quote: Maxom75
        It looks wretched and will be the same in operation.

        Seen literate person. Explanatory remarks. It also seemed to me that everything had been done somehow in a hurry, not thought out. hi
        HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE! drinks drinks drinks
  7. MIKHALYCH1
    MIKHALYCH1 31 December 2015 14: 18 New
    21
    I remember from Bati "pie" Moskvich gave with a booth New! So there was a complete set of Thermos spoons, napkins forks ... Combiners to feed (there was a clear set) He wound it on state farms (as an agronomist) A good car was .. (300 km across the dirt road) dust .. etc . He worked for wear and tear .. Grain was given to a first-class country .. (the military even attracted) Dry climate and durum wheat was Top class (the smell of bread baked on Kilometers ..))) Dad disappeared at the sowing and harvesting ... (there was none! ))) Although he was a ulcer! That's how our fathers worked ... But we lived and live modestly ... hi
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 31 December 2015 14: 38 New
      +9
      MIKHALYCH 1. I won’t quote, but from 2000 to 2008 I worked in an agricultural company. For 200 people, this is certainly cool, but the factory kitchen in KAMAZ, yes, it will pass to any field camp, is wonderful, not only in the army, but also for citizens, where a lot of people work in the fields. Well, Muscovites do not go on our field roads.
      1. AlNikolaich
        AlNikolaich 31 December 2015 15: 34 New
        +5
        In my experience, now in many agricultural firms there are centralized kitchens, where lunch is served in broths in portions, spilled on thermoses. In the dining room, eat those who are close to the estate, the rest is a hot lunch right in the field!
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 1 January 2016 02: 23 New
          +3
          Quote: AlNikolaich
          In the dining room, eat those who are close to the estate, the rest is a hot lunch right in the field!

          Everywhere is different. We have the most stocks at the time of harvesting soya corn, and we have it in October-November. Even in the form of the Field Canteen, such a kitchen would not hurt both sowing and harvesting. Early grains and wheat are August and here I am I agree with you, you can get by with thermoses. But in April-May and September-November it is better to eat warm.
  8. wicked pinnochio
    wicked pinnochio 31 December 2015 14: 27 New
    +2
    yes a soldier should always be fed especially after training or combat
  9. veksha50
    veksha50 31 December 2015 14: 48 New
    +4
    "Boilers are heating up kerosene, diesel or firewood"...

    A purely Russian, universal option, without any Amero-European frills and gadgets ... What is at hand - that’s what they’ll cook ...

    PS In KAMAZ, cross-country ability is good too, and for 200 people there is cooking - consider that a private kitchen has been brought to the company version in the field ...
    1. svp67
      svp67 1 January 2016 06: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: veksha50
      - consider that the personal kitchen was brought to the company version in the field ...

      Or to the reinforced tank battalion or self-propelled art. division
  10. wicked pinnochio
    wicked pinnochio 31 December 2015 15: 24 New
    +6
    ALL HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL TOTAL GOOD TO YOU LET ALL YOUR DESIRE come true !!!!!!
  11. ed24
    ed24 31 December 2015 16: 10 New
    +2
    And yet I do not see the need for cooking in a field of fresh vegetables. Especially in winter, there will be big problems with transportation and storage. Dried vegetables and convenience foods are another matter.
    1. pv1005
      pv1005 31 December 2015 16: 28 New
      +5
      Quote: ed24
      And yet I do not see the need for cooking in a field of fresh vegetables. Especially in winter, there will be big problems with transportation and storage. Dried vegetables and convenience foods are another matter.

      Oh well. Have you ever been to the field? I would have looked at you in a week without hot food from fresh products, and only after a month or six months in the event of hostilities and there was nothing to look at.
      1. ed24
        ed24 1 January 2016 17: 20 New
        +1
        He visited the field and ate cabbage soup from frozen vegetables. And then it’s not always, then the water in the valve of the boiler will freeze, then the roads are impassable ... The best option in winter is dry vegetables of good quality. No need to bother with storage and transportation is more convenient. It is only necessary to increase the capacity for water because it will freeze in cisterns.
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 1 January 2016 02: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: ed24
      Especially in winter, there will be big problems with transportation and storage.

      During my service, and before I retired, I worked in hydraulic fracturing. The products were delivered by ordinary machines, always fresh, not frost-bitten in winter and not melted in the heat, and food was delivered for hundreds and sometimes for 1,5-2 thousand km. You just need to be able to load something to deliver, keep it in place so it won’t be a problem. http://topwar.ru/88793-polevaya-kuhnya-pak-200-na-baze-kamaza.html This is a link to refrigerators . Thermoelectric so they stand in diesel locomotives.
  12. Blackwizardru
    Blackwizardru 31 December 2015 16: 18 New
    +2
    It's a shame yes ....
    That is why I served at 95 and not now?
    there is no justice in this world recourse
  13. Sedoy
    Sedoy 31 December 2015 16: 23 New
    -1
    design, decoration - everything is in Russian ...
    "curtains" are fastened to the windows, you can see with bulbs that stick out at the bottom of the window ... :)
    will hang out and get in the way ...
    it was impossible to make a “latch” tinted in airplanes ...

    and the "corners" see nailed nailed ...
    1. pv1005
      pv1005 31 December 2015 16: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: Sedoy
      design, decoration - everything is in Russian ...
      "curtains" are fastened to the windows, you can see with bulbs that stick out at the bottom of the window ... :)
      will hang out and get in the way ...
      it was impossible to make a “latch” tinted in airplanes ...

      and the "corners" see nailed nailed ...

      Your knowledge about military equipment and especially about blackout is "deepest", i.e. none.
      1. Maxom75
        Maxom75 31 December 2015 19: 01 New
        +1
        and do you think these stretched and dangling curtains can create a blackout? And the heat from this object will be released more than from the tank, certainly KAZ will not be put on it. And with regards to quality, really blinded .ovno.
        1. svp67
          svp67 31 December 2015 19: 12 New
          +2
          Quote: Maxom75
          and do you think these stretched and dangling curtains can create a blackout?
          They will not only be, but also create, since this system has already been tested for years
          Quote: Maxom75
          And the heat from this object will be released more than from the tank, certainly KAZ will not be put on it.

          Any technique "phonite", but there are so many ways to reduce the thermal background and protect the "object"
          1. pv1005
            pv1005 31 December 2015 19: 54 New
            +4
            It is difficult for white-ticket experts to prove anything. Do not worry.
            1. Amurets
              Amurets 1 January 2016 03: 08 New
              +3
              Quote: pv1005
              It is difficult for white-ticket experts to prove anything. Do not worry.

              I fully support it. Until a person tries to warm a can of stew or a piece of bread on his belly, drink water passed through a bandage at best, and in the worst, through hell, he knows that since the disinfecting tablets have run out or forgot, he will not understand the benefits of a field kitchen.
          2. Maxom75
            Maxom75 31 December 2015 20: 32 New
            +5
            Well, how can you reduce the heat from the field kitchen?))) There is only one way to keep away from the front line. and it’s time for archaism to change these curtains to sliding ones. You obviously didn’t have a relationship with the kitchen and you don’t know what sanitation means and how important hygiene is in the kitchen, so that later the whole unit doesn’t squat. And this kind of product is guaranteed.
            1. svp67
              svp67 31 December 2015 20: 44 New
              0
              Quote: Maxom75
              And this kind of product is guaranteed.

              A product of this kind has been supplying units of motorized riflemen and tankers with hot food for more than a dozen years, and the fact that it was put on a different base chassis did not change its qualities.
              Quote: Maxom75
              Well, how do you reduce the heat from the field kitchen?)))

              Have you ever heard of thermal screens? About heat traps? About engineering equipment positions? If you had to, then you would not ask such questions
      2. Igor F.
        Igor F. 3 January 2016 05: 35 New
        0
        Uh-uh, so the field kitchen is useful not only in the army .. In the tundra, for example, it is useful for gas workers or reindeer herders, or for logging .. Or to feed field-breeders with machine-harvester combine hot dinners .. As you can see, the application can be and in peaceful conditions!
    2. svp67
      svp67 31 December 2015 19: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: Sedoy
      design, decoration - everything is in Russian ...

      Yes, in Russian - simple and reliable. You can do it better and more technologically - the first I shake your hard hand.
      1. Maxom75
        Maxom75 31 December 2015 20: 58 New
        +7
        Many will gladly do it. It’s just that the best and most reliable should go to the army, then there will be demand from other armies of the world, and there will be a series and a reduction in prices. In addition to armies, shift workers, collective farmers, builders, road workers, the Ministry of Emergencies and others will use it. But the product must meet several parameters: Ergonomics (take into account the movement of the product during processing in the kitchen: from loading products and semi-finished products, to the delivery of prepared food, as well as waste disposal); functionality (if possible the most automated process, the availability of equipment and the ability to quickly deploy additional modules); HYGIENICITY - this booth should be built in such a way that the fat is removed into the hood during cooking, the waste products are easily disposed of and not in contact with the products (you can tilt the drawers into which the waste from the cutting tables can be swept), the materials from which this kung is made and the equipment must be internal and it’s easy to withstand high temperature heat treatment (at least steam; accounting system - how much did, how much time was spent, energy, amount of waste, etc.) Maintainability - well, everything is clear in my opinion. I just saw a refrigerator from the right, then a sink, then a boiler and the second boiler, that is, if we proceed from the logic of the designer, the cook first takes out the products, then washes, then cooks, then cuts up. Apparently you are used to borscht consisting of unpeeled potatoes, un chopped cabbage (whole fork)? There is no harvesting table in place! And if there are two cooks and they cook at the same time, there is not enough space.The cook in the kitchen should move in a circle, otherwise the mixing of cooking zones and infection tion!
        1. svp67
          svp67 31 December 2015 21: 09 New
          0
          Quote: Maxom75
          I just saw the refrigerator on the right,

          It was interesting to see its brand ... You just have never once seen the operation of these kitchens in practice and are ready to draw far-reaching conclusions without really knowing the whole technology of the food preparation process in the field.
          1. Maxom75
            Maxom75 1 January 2016 03: 06 New
            +6
            I saw it and even worked on it, that's why I say it, so minus it to the limit. I don’t care, it’s a pity that they make a lot of money, and then they get the semi-finished product.
      2. gg.na
        gg.na 2 January 2016 11: 20 New
        -1
        Everything should be effective, simple, reliable and functional! A soldier defender of the fatherland should be fed because a hungry soldier is no longer a full-fledged warrior! I think that the PAK-200 is excellent good kitchen option for units of motorized rifles and tank troops! yes good
  14. Sergey-72
    Sergey-72 31 December 2015 16: 29 New
    +7
    Quote: ed24
    And yet I do not see the need for cooking in a field of fresh vegetables. Especially in winter, there will be big problems with transportation and storage. Dried vegetables and convenience foods are another matter.

    You can haul RP for a week, but if for months?, You can’t stretch it on some semi-finished products (in winter). Many fighters will begin to look more edible in the nearby settlements and at the same time adventures on the fifth point.
  15. serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 31 December 2015 16: 34 New
    0
    We worked on this, only the base was on Zil -131. A good thing, and the improvement is immediately visible for the better. Only before they were made at the factory of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR, now it is unknown.
  16. Egor69
    Egor69 31 December 2015 17: 07 New
    0
    Here you are gourmets)) Already takes a laugh.))) You want to, eat everything, at least imported dry tea, at least your own))) The main thing is the energy from food, and not its nutritional qualities))).
    1. Drshan
      Drshan 31 December 2015 19: 30 New
      12
      In the second half of the 80s he served in the Far East. Food in the soldiers ’canteen was possible only with HUGE hunger. Energy value was within normal limits (mainly due to the overall - who knows, I can’t explain what kind of muck it is). Up to 50% went to "food waste", i.e. pigs for feed. The incidence among soldiers reached 105% (if anyone did not understand what it is, ask questions in PM). Over the 4 years of the war with the food leader (the bastard quit, did not manage to bring him to justice), it was possible (together with the commander) to train the service not to serve himself, but to feed the soldiers. The platoon commander then howled: "How to feed the pigs?" And the soldiers in the dining room ate everything to the end. Not from hunger, it was delicious. The incidence decreased to 15-20%. Gourmets ?!
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      2. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 1 January 2016 18: 59 New
        +1
        At the turn of the 80-90s. He served in the most "terrible" troops - the construction battalion, was fed not just badly, but very tasty. I especially remember the salty herring fried to a crunch! But with all this, he recovered by six kilograms! In general, the food was not tasty and not always edible, but quite plentiful. In my call, we increased the standards for the release of butter, eggs and sugar.
    2. would
      would 3 January 2016 10: 58 New
      0
      Eat everything (or rather almost everything), but the question is the consequences of this. Food should fully saturate the fighter, and its complete eating is “difficult” with a disgusting taste. And after the fighter should not be tormented with a stomach or, all the more, start to grow drowsy. Jokingly, but in the field, diarrhea without the same activated charcoal is a potentially life-threatening thing and will definitely incapacitate at least one fighter, and if everything is worse then several more.
  17. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 31 December 2015 17: 34 New
    +1
    A hungry soldier will not beat many enemies ...
    1. Maxom75
      Maxom75 31 December 2015 19: 02 New
      +5
      this is if only he doesn’t see the kitchen behind the enemies, then he can beat a lot))))
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 1 January 2016 19: 03 New
        +1
        I will not envy anyone who is caught between a hungry growing organism and hot, tasty-smelling food! laughing
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  18. 31rus
    31rus 31 December 2015 18: 57 New
    +2
    Dear, I don’t know, I went to my son’s training room, went to the soldiers’ canteen, was surprised, in our time they didn’t see anything like this in officers, fruits, sausages, meat (different, to choose from), condensed milk, milk, and not everyone eats like that , about dry share NATO, one of the very distant cousins, serves in special events in one of the northern countries, handed over their rations, everything is fine there, with the exception of meat, everything else, albeit not very tasty, but very nutritious, has three kinds of nuts, everything is functional and simple, according to my number 5, I didn’t exactly forget, my son got 7 kg more about a soldier’s lunch! The only thing I didn’t like was buying a uniform and berets, as it’s not right
  19. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 31 December 2015 19: 05 New
    +1
    Quote: Asadullah
    . If you have to go without food all day, I’ll refuel with barley steamed in milk. A day without lunch, corn slice.

    classics of the genre... hi
  20. lopvlad
    lopvlad 31 December 2015 19: 14 New
    +1
    Quote: ed24
    Dried vegetables and convenience foods are another matter.


    shit is all. On this garbage for more than two days and life is not sweet.
  21. Pirogov
    Pirogov 31 December 2015 19: 47 New
    +3
    As an army cook, I can say: just the necessary kitchen, and generally the 21st century in the yard, but we have everything old ...
  22. infantryman2020
    infantryman2020 31 December 2015 19: 54 New
    -5
    200 people by modern standards is a company tactical group.
    KAMAZ for the rear support module for the company’s link, the base is redundant. A more compact base is needed here. Leading foreign armies usually have a 4x4 base of the Unimog type or the Hammer type.
    In addition, for the lower tactical link KAMAZ, in general, the machine is not optimal - it is not reliable enough and strong (torn when towing a bumper is a classic).
  23. sontinianin
    sontinianin 31 December 2015 21: 03 New
    11
    The French ambassador at one of the banquets asked Alexander 3:
    - Your Majesty, is it true that you have buckwheat in Russia!?
    -Yes, why !?
    -And in France we only give this muck to cattle!
    Alexander 3, scratching his head, asks the ambassador:
    - Monsieur, is it true that you have frogs in France !?
    -Yes, why !?
    -Yes so ... In Russia, this muck, even cattle do not eat ...
    Happy New Year to everybody !!!
    1. Teamon
      Teamon 31 December 2015 21: 23 New
      +4
      Laughed laughing . In fact, many foreign citizens do not consider buckwheat for food ..
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 1 January 2016 18: 48 New
        +2
        They take this tasty and healthy product for pillow filler! laughing
  24. glagol58
    glagol58 31 December 2015 23: 03 New
    +3
    As a former military cook, I envy those who cook in such a kitchen!
  25. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 31 December 2015 23: 45 New
    +2
    in the field and in the pot you’ll have to make a brew! described the kitchens for the entire line of troops from platoon to regiment
  26. Koshak
    Koshak 1 January 2016 08: 25 New
    +3
    Here's another from the classics:

    A. Twardowski

    Vasily Terkin. At rest

    - Effective, of course,
    The old man was the same
    What came up with the soup to cook
    On wheels straight.
    Soup - First. Secondly,
    Porridge is normally solid.
    No old man he was old man
    Sensitive - that's for sure.

    Listen, throw another one
    Such a spoon
    I'm the second brother war
    I’m fighting for a century.
    Rate, add a bit.

    The cook squinted:
    "Wow eater -
    This guy is new. "
    He puts an extra spoon,
    He speaks indignantly:
    - You would, you know, in the fleet
    With your appetite.

    That: - Thanks. I'm just
    I have not been in the fleet.
    I'd rather like you
    Cook in the infantry. -
    And, sitting under a pine tree,
    He eats porridge, stooping.

    "Own?" - fighters among themselves, -
    "Own!" - looked at each other.
    drinks
  27. Wolka
    Wolka 1 January 2016 10: 49 New
    +3
    Well, by the way, I like to have fun, especially delicious to eat
  28. An64
    An64 1 January 2016 12: 08 New
    +4
    Effective, of course,
    The old man was the same
    What came up with the soup to cook
    On wheels straight.

    Anton Fedorovich Turchanovich - officer of the Russian army, inventor of the first Russian field kitchen on wheels.
    Coming from impoverished nobles. He began military service as an ordinary. He participated in the Russian-Turkish war. For the courage shown near Plevna, he was awarded the St. George Cross and promoted to non-commissioned officer, and then ensign. After graduating from a military school, he became a second lieutenant. At the moment when he finally got a hold of the idea of ​​wheeled army food, he served as a lieutenant colonel.
  29. Mercenary
    Mercenary 1 January 2016 14: 26 New
    +1
    No, well, PAK - this is understandable, but was there really no other number? Well there is 15 \ 200 type 15 year of publication. 200 for the kitchen will not work - assassinations are bad ...
  30. fleet
    fleet 1 January 2016 15: 18 New
    +2
    Wow! Has the kitchen arrived, prepared a meal for one day, and what’s next, went again for groceries? The field kitchen should be constantly with personnel, hitched for something and on the road. Buffets are good in peaceful conditions, in war the main food of combat units is hot food. This Pak window dressing, in combat only a burden.
  31. kirpich
    kirpich 1 January 2016 17: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: Truth
    If you just dream ...
    How many of their tanks will a hungry dill give for such a car if the guys from Novorossia offer an exchange deal?



    Nothing to offer request
  32. kirpich
    kirpich 1 January 2016 19: 12 New
    0
    Quote: fleet
    Wow! Has the kitchen arrived, prepared a meal for one day, and what’s next, went again for groceries? The field kitchen should be constantly with personnel, hitched for something and on the road. Buffets are good in peaceful conditions, in war the main food of combat units is hot food. This Pak window dressing, in combat only a burden.


    Dear Navy You probably won’t believe it, but there is a commissary service in the troops (as well as in the Navy), which provides just such cuisines with all kinds of ingredients, such as cereals, vegetables, fruits, spices, and other goodies. The fact that a mobile complex capable of feeding a company was shown here didn’t show you anything.

    Z.Y. Well, Russian, spelling, please observe.
  33. Evil 55
    Evil 55 2 January 2016 06: 26 New
    +1
    The only plus is the ability to cook in any weather .. Yes, and the cook will catch a cold less .. Such a kitchen is better than none at all ..
  34. Signaller
    Signaller 2 January 2016 11: 43 New
    +1
    Wonderful thing, I'll tell you. I remember the partisans like that. In the morning, a gechka without water. At lunch, buckwheat with a pond and some stew. At dinner, water without stew, but again with gecko. In the third week we are so sick of darkness. We started to diversify. This is the main thing, the diversity of nutrition. And then millet, millet. millet. and lose weight for long. Greetings sowing the installation. From a hungry fighter, it's no good. And here everything is in order.
  35. Balagan
    Balagan 2 January 2016 13: 19 New
    0
    Good stuff. And how much technical water is there, or are they also drinking food?
    We often go out to nature with the team in the summer. I bought a KP-130, but for us it’s overkill, a two-day compote from one tank, the rest is for hot water in the shower, more often the kirieshki were fried in it))) And now, when the team was small, I put it on jokes.
  36. tinibar
    tinibar 2 January 2016 16: 15 New
    +1
    Quote: Kunar
    A dry drink is better .... I think so ....

    I had to live in Sukhpai for three days in the army. Awful! ...
    1. Lieutenant colonel
      Lieutenant colonel 3 January 2016 04: 30 New
      +2
      And I for 2 years, intermittently, belay ate them. And nothing - alive and well.
      Awful - when there is no dry share. One day I had to eat grass with ketchup (of course I had ketchup from a dry share) - not always, of course, with interruptions in the mountains laughing . Because the task was extended for two days. And my soldiers ate - no one died, and there wasn’t much horror. There was a need to complete a combat mission. Something like this soldier