TAR-21: auto mount

68
TAR-21: auto mount


At the beginning of the 90 of the last century, the army of Israel needed a new automatic rifle weapon. The Galil machine gun was still of some interest, but it was already out of date, which is why a competition for a new weapon was announced. Shortly before the announcement of the purchase of new weapons by IMI (Israel Military Industries), which was then a state, the work on a new machine gun was initiated. Nevertheless, the creation of weapons is not a quick matter and the leadership of the IDF decided to finance the IMI project, and before launching it into the series to purchase a number of American M16 rifles. Indeed, the machine went into the series more than 10 years after the start of work on it. During this time, IMI managed to become a private firm and renamed IWI (Israeli Weapons Industries Ltd).

Feeling the current trends in the weapons business, IMI initially developed not one type of weapon, but a whole complex based on the same mechanics and the most unified parts. The prototype line was shown to the public in the middle of 90's, called M-203. However, soon, so that the machine gun would not be confused with the grenade launcher, it was renamed AAR - Advanced Assault Riffle (progressive assault rifle). In 1998, the machine gun finally received a name that no longer changed: TAR-21, which stands for Tavor Assault Riffle 21 century — the Tavor assault rifle of the 21st century. The machine gun was named after the legendary mountain, in Russian transcription called Tabor.



The main feature of the TAR complex is the bullpup layout. Automatic weapons work by discharging the powder gases, the vapor node is located in the body of the weapon above the barrel. The gas piston is rigidly connected to the slide frame and therefore has a long stroke. Locking the barrel in all versions of the machine by turning the bolt (seven lugs). Details for the extraction of liners are located on the gate. Interestingly, IMI engineers have foreseen the possibility of a small rework of the bolt, so that the sleeves can be thrown through a special window on the left side of the receiver (by default, the sleeves fly out to the right). Left-handed arrows will be grateful. The situation is similar with the charging handle - there are cutouts for it on both sides of the plastic case; it is not rigidly connected with the bolt group and is motionless when fired. The trigger mechanism "Tavor" does not have any revolutionary innovations. It is made on the trigger system and is located, like other bull-pap machines, in the butt. USM has two modes of fire - single and automatic. Switching takes place using a flag located above the pistol grip, again, on both sides. A three-position translator (fuse, single and automatic) is connected to the USM with a stiff bollard, just like the trigger. In most types of weapons in the Tavor range, NATO 5,56x45 cartridges are used, but this is not the only option (more on this later). Shops also meet the standards of the North Atlantic Alliance. The standard box magazine for Tavor contains 30 cartridges. The base rate of the machine is within 750-900 rounds per minute.


Tavor TAR-21 assault rifle


Most of the body of the machine, with the exception of a few alloy and steel parts, is made of impact-resistant plastic. The trigger guard base TAR-21 is large and completely covers the fingers of the arrow. Because of the layout of the bullpup, for the convenience of aiming, a “carrying handle” was installed on the machine. The quotes here are applied for the reason that the slot between the handle and the body of the machine is small enough so that you can stick your fingers into it. Designers have provided the possibility of incomplete disassembly of weapons in the field and without the use of tools. To do this, push the pin located at the top of the receiver in front of the butt plate (for this you can use the cartridge), fold the butt pad back and back and remove the slide frame. After that, you can do the rest of the disassembly of weapons.



Early versions of the TAR-21 sights were absent altogether. Later, on serial models, open folding front sight and rear sight appeared. Later serial TAR-21 are equipped with ITL MARS collimator sight with integrated laser target designator. For action at night behind the gun, you can install the appropriate night vision device. Of particular interest is the “integration” of a collimator sight with a gun: when cocking a weapon, the sight light automatically turns on, and it also turns off by discharging the gun.
Now in production are the following modifications of "Tavor":
- TAR-21. The base model chambered for 5,56x45 mm NATO.
- GTAR-21. Grenade-TAR - basic model with a node for mounting grenade launcher M203.
- CTAR-21. Commando-TAR is a lightweight and short version. It has a barrel length of 380 mm against 460 in the base model and a total length of 640 mm (720 mm in TAR-21). Weight reduced from 3,27 kg to 3,18. The rest is similar to the prototype model.
- MTAR-21. Micro-TAR is a subcompact machine with a 33-centimeter barrel, with a total length of 59 cm and a dry weight of only 2,9 kg. Also, to reduce the size of a large trigger guard in the entire pistol grip is replaced by a small traditional. MTAR-21 was made as a personal defense weapon (PDW) for the crews of armored vehicles, weapons calculations, etc. Also for MTAR-21 there is a special kit called Convertion Kit to 5.56 / 9х19 mm, consisting of a barrel, bolt carrier and a receiver of stores. After installing the kit on the machine gun, he can use the 9xXNNXX mm Parabellum cartridges for firing, which makes a real submachine gun out of a compact assault rifle.




- STAR-21. Sniper-TAR - sniper rifle. It is completed with an optical sight and bipod. The rest is similar to the basic machine.
- TC-21. Tavor Carabine is a civilian version of TAR. He is not able to fire in bursts, is equipped with a magazine for 10 ammunition and is equipped with a kind of "pillow" under the cheek on the upper side of the receiver.

Since 2000, various versions of TAR in limited quantities have come into service of various units of the Israeli army, first and foremost special forces. At this time, in one of the IDF infantry schools, exercises were conducted, during which two platoons, one of which was armed with Tavor, and the other with M16, stormed the building with a conditional opponent and were fighting the city in the same conditions. According to the results of the exercises, TAR was recognized as a more accurate and easy-to-use weapon. The only minus, which noted the Israeli military - the price. TAR in the basic configuration costs more than a thousand US dollars. American M16, in turn, is shipped to Israel on favorable terms, because of which they cost several times less than TAR.



The economic side was not embarrassed by the leadership of the Israeli army, and 31 March, March 2004, the complex Tavor was adopted. Prior to 2008, in order to replace obsolete types, 16 thousands of such machines received troops. Interested in "Tavor" and foreign countries, not only in terms of procurement. For example, the Brazilian company Taurus bought a license for the production of TAR. Since 2002, Tavor are shipped to India, as well as these machines are purchased by Guatemala, Portugal, Colombia, Azerbaijan and Ukraine. In the latter case, the final assembly of automata from Israeli components is carried out in the territory of Ukraine. Nevertheless, there is still no information regarding the bulk purchases of Tavor by the Ukrainian security forces. Also, a number of TAR-21 are available in Georgia, where they hit 2006 in order of military assistance. It should be noted that only in Israel Tavor are used as small arms for a simple soldier - in the armies of other countries they are available in extremely limited quantities and mostly in special units.
68 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. sokolp
    -1
    30 November 2011 10: 42
    ... And with a slight deformation of the butt, it becomes a useless piece of scrap metal. Technological, but breathtakingly expensive and therefore not in demand.
    1. ab
      ab
      +2
      27 January 2012 11: 11
      The two main infantry divisions (Golan, Givati) rearm. There is a replacement in the armored units.
  2. J_silver
    +1
    30 November 2011 11: 32
    Well, such a weapon seems to me simply uncomfortable!
    Personally, I shoot from the left shoulder, although not left-handed, it seems to me that the store will interfere and cling to anything ...
    1. -3
      30 November 2011 14: 23
      Aha! Let the store be closed down from above, and they will make a through hole so that it can be aimed wink Ehhh ...
    2. +6
      30 November 2011 15: 25
      Well, such a weapon seems to me simply uncomfortable!

      - I didn’t like Chaliapin.
      -And you heard him?
      -No, his husband hummed to me ... wink

      You try it first, and then talk about convenience.
      1. Tyumen
        0
        30 November 2011 19: 46
        Quote: professor
        -And you heard him?
        -No, his husband hummed to me ..

        So whose husband is his?
        1. +5
          30 November 2011 21: 09
          wink
          Duc leaves Chaliapin.
    3. +9
      30 November 2011 22: 32
      I’m left-handed, shot from him and didn’t cling to anything, before the Chess Commission it would not hurt to judge something for a start by trying and comparing. as a person who shot both Tavor and AK I can say that the comparison is not in favor of AK
  3. Ion coaelung
    +3
    30 November 2011 11: 37
    damn, these colorful plastic screwdrivers and punchers remind me winked But the devil is hiding inside!
  4. ZHORA
    +4
    30 November 2011 11: 53
    In Ukraine, it is not assembly that is carried out, but full-fledged production at the Fort weapons factory ... of Israeli components, only sights ...

    http://fort.vn.ua/produkciya/avtomaticheskoe-oruzhie.html
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      0
      30 November 2011 12: 07
      Interesting, but your army buys it? And you kind of had a sample of your own that didn’t bring him to mind?
      1. Splin
        +3
        30 November 2011 12: 35
        The FORT plant is the Ministry of Internal Affairs. These submachine guns and machine guns of Israeli citizenship initiated the great magazine, and part-time Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Lutsenko. The cops probably have them. In general, all FORT products in the arsenal of the army did not buy. although domestic pistols are pretty good. And your Vepr machine is shit. This is not a development but a banal alteration of Kalash. Created right-handed. If you shoot from the left shoulder, the sleeve can also be applied in physiognomy. By the way, there are many of their more successful developments, but they are not publicized, as those about which it was written.
        1. Alexey Prikazchikov
          -7
          30 November 2011 12: 56
          Well, why, for example, did not buy a license from the Nazis for one machine and production line, and this? This shit is good only for their TVD and that, and even the same 36 is much better, that’s with whom it was necessary to create a joint venture.
          1. Splin
            0
            30 November 2011 13: 00
            Yes, because Lutsenko’s Israeli passport is hidden somewhere.
            1. Alexey Prikazchikov
              -4
              30 November 2011 13: 03
              Yes, too, the answer here is to my mind the lobby is obvious even if only because the fuck Ministry of Internal Affairs such a trunk, and Israel design school is much worse than that of the same fascists.
          2. Superduck
            -1
            30 November 2011 18: 36
            By the way, FORT had a joint venture with Schmasser (company), they tried not to remember what to push under their label under their label.
  5. dred
    -5
    30 November 2011 12: 44
    I heard that in Ukraine, Fort 223 assault rifles are of poor quality.
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      -2
      30 November 2011 12: 57
      Their campaigns are old and the supply chain with steel and plastic isn’t so good, and the quality of shit should be purchased at the beginning and the trunks should be made with stalemate.
      1. Superduck
        +1
        30 November 2011 18: 37
        FORT initially bought a line from Chelyabinsk on what equipment the brands make without a clue, but pistols were made on Czech equipment.
    2. Splin
      0
      30 November 2011 12: 58
      There is no such. There are assault rifles Fort-221 and Fort-224. Last shortened. Moreover, the caliber is 5.56, but it is not accepted in the Ukrainian army. And the quality of the cops must be asked.
      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
        -2
        30 November 2011 13: 04
        But this is not the point. Tell me, if it’s better to see better from Ukraine, has the enterprise updated the machine tools and cases there or not?
        1. Splin
          +2
          30 November 2011 13: 14
          This factory in the 90s was created from scratch. In Ukraine, before that, there were no small arms factories. The machines were purchased in the Czech Republic, the technology for developing the first pistol also relied on Czech experience.
          1. Alexey Prikazchikov
            -2
            30 November 2011 13: 46
            Well, since that time a lot of water has flowed, equipment needs to be changed at least once every 10 years, and the factory’s photos looked like it was built in the building of some other enterprise, since it looks like it’s not so hot our Russian plants usually have a more normal look of course.
            1. Splin
              +5
              30 November 2011 14: 55
              Why change machines with such regularity? I do not argue in Russia a good school and a long tradition. Why should something be measured that the koo has more. Tavor (Fort 221) is a good weapon, but expensive. It is not for the Ukrainian army. Easy to clean. There are few moving parts. For a professional soldier, it is acceptable. They say they say the butt plate is dead and that's it. So, for any shooting toy, the receiver must not be discarded. And in the hands of the monkey and the computer will become a stone.
              1. Alexey Prikazchikov
                -2
                30 November 2011 15: 25
                The Tabor is only good for Israel, like all Israeli weapons. And the machines, yes, I think it is necessary to update constantly as
                technology is now small although small is much more perfect than the beginning of the 90s, for example, the Germans since 2003 seem to use solid cast parts in the manufacture of pistols, which greatly increases the resource and quality of the barrel.
                1. Splin
                  +1
                  30 November 2011 15: 49
                  Let's go in a circle. Stamps and equipment-things you know are good. It’s good to take Germany as an example. But the Ukrainian economy is no match for Germany. As they say mamo teso mamo (has what we have). To talk about the shortcomings of weapons, it is necessary to exploit it. Suppose I saw a FORT-12 pistol in 2001, I shot from it, I took it apart, but that does not mean that it was exploited.
                  1. Alexey Prikazchikov
                    0
                    30 November 2011 15: 51
                    Well, let everyone remain in their own opinion.
                    1. bober
                      +7
                      30 November 2011 19: 33
                      and Russia lives in 1980 along the way and the equipment was changed and the machines in my opinion in 1975 so it's pretty new)))))))))
                      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
                        -1
                        30 November 2011 20: 37
                        IZ MASH from last year began to change equipment; they were able to upgrade this Sv 98 to Sv338m1 since high-quality stocks and trunks began to be made. Plus they did a joint venture with a beret there, in the clause of the agreement, there is a mutual transfer of technologies.
                      2. Insurgent
                        0
                        30 November 2011 20: 57
                        Equipment is a matter of sex, cadres decide everything and young people do not want to go for such a salary
                      3. Alexey Prikazchikov
                        -4
                        30 November 2011 21: 08
                        Who said I have a future teacher, the salary is not higher than twenty with all the allowances and nifiga the people are full in the group, and the workers will be paid more.
  6. Artemka
    +3
    30 November 2011 12: 56
    A very futuristic-looking weapon, just like the FN 2000.
  7. -4
    30 November 2011 14: 08
    sokolp,
    J_silver,
    I agree with you. I doubt its combat effectiveness.
    1. +7
      30 November 2011 15: 22
      I doubt its combat effectiveness.

      Do not hesitate, it’s not the first year in the IDF that a combat run-in has been taking place, in connection with which some design changes have been made. Now they are armed with regular combat units, and not just special forces. Would not be effective, would not arm. The Uzi, for example, were disarmed despite patriotism, the same with Galil.
      1. Insurgent
        0
        30 November 2011 20: 59
        Well, it’s vryatli, Israeli soldiers and M-16s are shown on TV, and they’ll remain in service with the reservists for another 40 years
        1. +1
          30 November 2011 21: 08
          I saw vigilantes with carbines of World War II there, but this does not mean that they are armed with a regular army. Galili and Uzi are exported or have very specific needs. as for the reservists, it will be like with Merkava, first they will rearm the conscripts, and then the reservists.
          1. micha26
            0
            7 December 2011 00: 55
            Carbine M-1 rarity however :-) but it hits the target properly wink
        2. micha26
          0
          7 December 2011 00: 53
          Yes, they won’t stay, Galil vesh is not bad (if only because the layout and layout of the AK), but it is outdated morally, like the M-16 (non-modernized version).
        3. ab
          ab
          +2
          27 January 2012 11: 18
          Quite rightly, not all units are rearmament, only actually participating in hostilities
          Quote: Insurgent
          Well, it’s vryatli, Israeli soldiers and M-16s are shown on TV, and they’ll remain in service with the reservists for another 40 years

          I went to training camps (I finished 3 years ago) already then Galil did not see
      2. ereke
        +4
        30 November 2011 23: 04
        Professor,
        Where do you live Jewish Einstein?
        It seems that they lived in Israel according to the level of information content, they did not scribble comments with general phrases. As I noticed.
        The same Israeli operations in Lebanon against Hezbollah in Lebanon in 2006. the loss of Israel, you distort great, "cast lead" in Gaza, too, in terms of information content seems to be sufficient, but the same there are flaws ...
        It has already passed the run-in, its ninth year has been arming the Golani brigade in small batches, and now the Golani is fully armed with the M4 Colt and Tavor. Also, the "Givati" brigade is also switching to "Tavor" on the sly "Kfir" noticed (in the photographs) there is also. I heard that Tavors are being armed with tank brigades, in particular, the Barak

        By the way, do you know where these IDF units are stationed?
        1. ereke
          -1
          30 November 2011 23: 12
          I guess you Professor,
          just encrypted ... I understand you can’t know too much info for lackeys, or you’ll bully
        2. -2
          30 November 2011 23: 19
          I did not know that Einstein is Jewish and not Jewish ...
          I live where I live, but I am very well informed about the losses in Lebanon and Gaza and I am not distorting anything. And if you made a mistake somewhere, then correct it. And the fact that the phrases are common, so who is interested in what kind of armament than what they armed with and on which cave they put it.
          Where which unit is stationed is not relevant to the topic of the article.
          1. ereke
            +1
            30 November 2011 23: 29
            Why are they not ... all on the topic, these brigades participated in all IDF operations in the Gaza Strip, then bish in the territories of the Palestinian Authority. So the "Tavor" seems to be already fighting really
            1. ereke
              +2
              1 December 2011 10: 11
              Professor,
              At the expense of losses in armored vehicles in Lebanon, the IDF in southern Lebanon and in Beirut. The official report on the losses of the IDF gave the following 46-49 for the Merkava tanks of all modifications, of which 2 are irrevocable. The rest were remanufactured at the Israeli tank repair factories for a month or more. The fighting went on for a week, now consider that all these destroyed tanks did not participate in the operation. The IDF attracted 400 tanks for the operation in Lebanon, but you should know that all the destroyed equipment and not only tanks were knocked out from the infantry vehicle, the so-called "pocket artillery" (ATGM, and RPG) without the use of heavy artillery, tanks and aircraft from Hezbollah ... Hezbollah provides other reports of the IDF loss. In general, losses are always a controversial topic, the truth, as always, is somewhere in the middle.

              Of course, these losses are minuscule compared to the losses in the first Chechen company. But in Chechnya, most of the tanks were restored by the forces of field repair brigades consisting of conscripts, in the same place in Chechnya for several days, even the craftsmen from the re-brigades, components from the factories of the Russian Federation, did not wait. They simply used the most used tanks as donors of spare parts for other damaged tanks, collecting one from three tanks. And the holes in the buildings and towers, depending on their size, were plugged with specially made plugs or by vulcanization. Working three shifts in turn and starting in the field. It was possible to restore most of the tanks and infantry fighting vehicles that were knocked out at the beginning of the war on our own. So, according to the recollections of the tankers, "in the morning in Grozny they will knock up your tank, give out another patched one, load the machine gun with ammunition, and again into battle, in general, the tanks were changed like gloves"

              As for your comments about hezbollah in one article about the situation between Israel and Iran, Syria on the other hand, it seems

              So Hezbollah is the first successful experience of exporting Iranian Islamic ideology, outside of Iran. As a militarized organization, it appeared in 1982 during the Lebanese events with the participation of Israel and Syria, instructors from the IRGC of Iran directly participated in its formation and preparation. The militants were assembled from various Shiite militants who had previously participated in the civil wars in Lebanon in 76-79. Hezbollah is considered a terrorist organization in Western countries, its ideology is the principles of Ayatollah Khomeini (i.e. death to Jews and Americans), the main supply of finance and weapons goes through Syria. The organization is controlled by the south of Lebanon., And has its bases and arms depots throughout Lebanon and in Syria, as well as in other countries (mainly Latin American)

              So Hezbollah will enter the war on the side of Syria and Iran by any means.
              1. +1
                1 December 2011 12: 26
                I asked YOU to correct me where I was mistaken, and not to retell me Wikipedia. About the loss of armored vehicles and losses in general, there is a wonderful study by Oleg Granovsky that I tend to trust.
                1. ereke
                  +3
                  1 December 2011 12: 47
                  In fact, the official IDF data on losses in Merkava tanks in southern Lebanon was 46 tanks, 2 of them are irrevocable. Here in the article about the confrontation between Israel and Iran. You referred to someone, if I'm not mistaken that 2 tanks were lost. I say that it is that irrecoverable loss (ie, not subject to recovery, including because of economic benefits). Later, a Jewish officer who wished to remain anonymous reported the number 49 of them, 18 irrevocably. All this data is not from Wikipedia, but still I'll see what they wrote in the wiki. I even went to the meeting and agreed in the opinion that only two tanks out of 46 were irrecoverable. Oleg Granovsky for me is not "Messiah" to believe him blindly. There are also others, google just in case and compare. Moreover, the sources of Hezzbollah in the Russian Federation are not forbidden there are other numbers, which I doubt but informatively.
                  1. +1
                    1 December 2011 12: 58
                    I have never claimed the irretrievable loss of two tanks. Mr. Granovsky in his research gives sources of information. Loss of armored vehicles in the Second Lebanon War
                    According to Hezbollah, it turns out that Israel lost at least a division in the battles with them, but naturally they do not give any evidence.
        3. ab
          ab
          -1
          27 January 2012 11: 23
          Quote: ereke
          The same Israeli operations in Lebanon against Hezbollah in Lebanon in 2006. the loss of Israel, you distort great, "cast lead" in Gaza, too, in terms of information content seems to be sufficient, but the same there are flaws ...
          \
          In Israel, it is simply impossible to distort the loss or silence the death of a soldier (all names are reported in the news) I can’t even imagine what will happen and what kind of noise will rise if the soldier died and was not reported in the news. Just not a real option. It just can't be. Believe me . reported not the number of losses, but all the dead by name.
      3. sokolp
        0
        30 November 2011 23: 07
        I’m sure that this weapon was fit for this ...
      4. ereke
        +1
        1 December 2011 10: 42
        The ultrasound was filmed as old and inappropriate to modern PP requirements. But its late version MiniUzi is still used by the MAGAV special police unit. Galil as an assault rifle has been removed from service by the IDF, its self-loading (non-automatic) sniper version for the NATO 7,62 cartridge is used by the IDF as a standard army sniper rifle even now, and is actively exported to other countries (in particular, large consignments of the Galil sniper rifle were supplied to India recently on a temporary basis) Now all the rights and technology for the production of Galil have been transferred to Colombia. AS Moses said, the works of the righteous

        And in general Professor, I would recommend that before publishing any article, I’ll turn to various sources, for example, there is the official IDF website in which they publish certain data on their activities and weapons. Or the websites of arms manufacturers of the Israeli military-industrial complex. Only they are in Hebrew and English. Different forums about reviews on relevant topics Or Hezbollah sites also in English and Arabic (written in ligature) Unlike the Russian language, the regional language of which we speak in addition to the inhabitants of the language, we are stupid Kazakh cattle breeders, Ukrainians-molloros and Bulbash-Belarusians. Says the rest of the world from North America to Australia or at least understand

        And not only Russian-language shovels that are written either through third parties or with ideological nourishment, inherited from the Soviet consciousness of the weak and shitty Western weapons.

        It will be easier for you to discuss in q4ments, especially with such access to the Afghan market and ask how much the Kalashnikov and M16 assault rifle are worth, the opponent answers him, yesterday I took the train to Zadryshchinsk-Kandahar. There Kalash on the market from 20 to 50 bucks, but the M-16, but it will be a little expensive, as much as 500-700 bucks

        They forget that everything that they sell according to Kalash (AK-47, AKM) in Afghanistan, in the best case, Chinese or Egyptian pros-va, and then how many hands were visited and how many spirits died with them. And so artisanal production from neighboring Pakistan, made by local craftsmen. I am silent about the quality and production technology, and so it is clear. Soviet especially Russian production type AK-74 is less than 2% and they cost more
        1. +1
          1 December 2011 12: 33
          In general, a professor, I would recommend that you before you publish any article, turn to various sources, for example, there is an official IDF website in which they publish certain data on their activities and weapons.

          Great tip. I urgently stop rewriting Wikipedia and turn to the original sources. And YOU I advise you to review my publications and pay particular attention to the sources of information, and I recommend YOU to be more careful to read my comments. For example, where I write about the fate of Uzi and Galil, and YOU, in other words, retell the same thing.
          Thanks in advance.
          1. ereke
            -1
            1 December 2011 13: 38
            In the wiki about the war in Lebanon, I didn’t find it, okay, I need to look further for the premises from the wiki,
            No, this is not even a recommendation. Professor,
            You just write in general phrases in disputes with openers - "where it is, but where it was left, for very specific tasks, etc." or finally infa is outdated at the time of writing. They can interpret it in different ways, at the end they will say from such uncertainty and all this is "gamno" and that's it. and it all went into jo-poo- "if the Jews themselves were removed from service, left somewhere, and so on and so forth", then from your side everything turns into a short learn materiel, but after that, the opponent has a desire to follow your advice and in order not to give food for such reflection, you need to specify the answers. And all of this will slap you or the minuses or another plus.

            I thought you in the courses of the subjects of the topics discussed sometimes you make mistakes on a large scale, even if you take the BMP "temsah" seats, they say, will fly off when an explosion from a mine. bruises alone. Even if you take his one-year-old T-55 (one-year-old centurion), nothing inside him will fly away if a common TM-75 anti-tank mine explodes under the tracks. I happened to see a T-62 blown up on such a mine, it ran over with a caterpillar, the front guide roller flew off with destruction, and a couple of rollers collapsed and everything that stuck out and was welded to the stern in this area, the crew, thank God, is alive. only mech.water is shell-shocked from a detonating explosion. On the basis of the T-54-55, the Israelis produce "akhzarit" and there are the same seats, they do not fly off when hitting a standard mine.

            Another thing is radio-controlled landmine. by which the Palestinians blew up a tank Merkava mod.3. there is 100kg. a landmine was put into the refrigerator, camouflaged, and when the tank drove in, they blew it up, nothing was left of it with the crew, the remains were alone, and the crew were scrapped from charred steel elements.

            Okay, I'm sorry to see you with your abstruse recommendations.
            Professor, or pastor of the barrier. Why do you always cause associations with him by looking at your nickname fellow You yourself know how to ... Claudia
          2. Isr
            Isr
            0
            10 March 2012 21: 25
            but I like the way you write. I did not find anything wrong or distorted so that it could be argued that this was not true. I am always looking for comments among yours, and I read them with pleasure.
    2. iulai
      +1
      30 November 2011 22: 00
      And you find out how much AK and M16 cost on the black market of Afghanistan. Then you will talk about reliability.
      1. Superduck
        +1
        30 November 2011 23: 06
        Skok, is there no train to Kandahar? No, really interesting.
      2. ab
        ab
        -1
        27 January 2012 11: 31
        Quote: iulai
        and you find out how much it costs on the black market of Afghanistan, AK and M16. then you will talk about reliability

        price is not the main indicator. Someone on the fret, someone on the gelding. They go the same way, only different comfort, reliability, etc. But the frets, after all, are the same. By fin. customer opportunities market is self-regulating
  8. -4
    30 November 2011 14: 36
    All the same, I trust our, domestic weapons more! Indispensable in battle! If the quality was "not that", no one would buy, but almost the whole world uses our machines ... And these will always come up with some kind of crap, so long as they don't look like ours, like "this is our weapon." .. Everything they have is clumsy ... and they themselves ...
    1. 0
      30 November 2011 16: 30
      I completely agree)
    2. -5
      30 November 2011 16: 30
      I completely agree)
      1. Insurgent
        -1
        30 November 2011 21: 02
        It seems that when there was a war between Russia and Georgia, the Russian special forces fell into their hands like an Israeli machine gun so the special forces ordered a very light and convenient weapon for us to
        1. Alexey Prikazchikov
          -4
          30 November 2011 21: 10
          But I know another info of the trophy Negev was in bulk for a while gallantly there the cartridges are skewed 6 constantly and it heats up quickly plus wedges it is often not the best reliability.
          1. 0
            30 November 2011 21: 26
            But I know another info of the trophy Negev was in bulk for a while gallantly there the cartridges are skewed 6 constantly and it heats up quickly plus wedges it is often not the best reliability.

            Where is the droushka?


            There, Turkish cartridges were here and "chewed" the tape. More details here:
            http://twower.livejournal.com/542944.html
            http://twower.livejournal.com/509736.html
            http://twower.livejournal.com/525350.html

            This usually happens: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEElWxmBJck&feature=player_embedded#!
            1. Alexey Prikazchikov
              -5
              30 November 2011 21: 35
              Well, anyway, the fact is the place to be, but let everyone make the conclusions IMHO better than the Pecheneg in the world.
              1. +2
                30 November 2011 21: 40
                Don't be lazy, read it. There's a lot about cartridges. And then AKM sometimes goes crazy, but does not mean that it is, as you put it, "gamno".
                1. Alexey Prikazchikov
                  -2
                  30 November 2011 21: 48
                  Okay, I’m sorry I didn’t want to offend you, there are just problems not only with distortions.
                  1. +2
                    30 November 2011 22: 38
                    Why should I be offended? I know the opinions of those who shot him. And now Tavors:






                    1. sokolp
                      -2
                      30 November 2011 23: 16
                      Yes, for exhibitions on the topic of "flexing your muscles" it will do quite well.
    3. Tyumen
      +1
      30 November 2011 18: 00
      Quote: Mujahiddin777
      almost the whole world uses our machines.

      Because, in addition to the fact of reliability, they cost $ 50-300 there.
      1. ab
        ab
        -1
        27 January 2012 11: 38
        We use the same M16 mainly, and now what? Do not rearm? And in the maritime special forces they still use AK 7.62 and what? specific weapons, for specific tasks
    4. Superduck
      +1
      30 November 2011 18: 49
      the second half of the world uses "their" weapons and is still alive nevertheless. Just because ours does not mean that the best is natural, not without exceptions. But what is ours in the same class? AKMSU with a collimator sight?
  9. -2
    30 November 2011 17: 57
    and what is better - aug or frenchman. at the cost of? wink or the fact that he is kosher wink
    1. Superduck
      +3
      30 November 2011 18: 40
      It is modular at least.
    2. +3
      30 November 2011 18: 47
      And where is it written that he is better?
      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
        -2
        30 November 2011 21: 34
        Scar my love love which means he's better wink tongue
  10. -1
    30 November 2011 22: 31
    In Ukraine, they do not produce from components but a full cycle with 0. The question is with the labeling if the product is for domestic consumption, then this is a fort and if for a cardon then the brand is according to the agreement. The brave Israelis set up a complete production line and at the same time cheapened it all. In Israel, a hard worker receives 2500-5000 American rubles, converted from shekels, and a proud crest of 800-2000 hryvnias is all the math.
  11. J_silver
    -1
    30 November 2011 23: 14
    Along the way, I look here for many all the best that is not ours, and even so that the spools were hung up - well, yes, your right ...
  12. 0
    1 December 2011 00: 08
    I don’t know what kind of toy it is ... Although now almost 30-40% of the design is allocated to weapon design, but to be honest, I like H&K G36 and SCAR from foreign trunks


    And yet, almost all Western arms companies began to produce machine guns (assault rifles) under our cartridge 7.62x39 ...
    1. -1
      1 December 2011 00: 16
      The standard G36 is even prettier.
      1. -1
        1 December 2011 00: 35
        I'm talking about the assault version:
        1. Alexey Prikazchikov
          -2
          1 December 2011 07: 52
          Yes, SCAR KALASH and G№: everything else is shitty and this holy trio is really the best examples in the world, and let the rest go ass.
          1. +4
            1 December 2011 10: 31
            Yes, SCAR KALASH and G№: everything else is shitty and this holy trio is really the best examples in the world, and let the rest go ass.

            This is "grown-up". This is how real guys discuss technique ...
  13. Cardamom
    +7
    1 December 2011 01: 11
    Judging by how much Israel is saving its soldiers (remember the exchange of 1: 1000), we can assume that their ministry of defense will not buy shitty weapons. Once they buy for their own, it means an excellent barrel! I also think that if the enemy sees him as "toy", then this will be his last thought in this world. The special plastic is designed to lighten the weapon, and together with the "bullpup" layout allows actually (if necessary, of course!) To fire with one hand, and with the other, for example, drag the wounded. But this is so, thinking "out loud".
    1. micha26
      0
      7 December 2011 01: 03
      But many already thought so ... well, in principle, they rest in peace. wink Sorry if anyone hurt.
  14. soldat1945
    -5
    1 December 2011 07: 41
    I didn’t shoot with automatic fire, but when I’m single, I shoot up and to the right no less than Kalash, although this may be a subjective opinion, but our automatic weapons at presentations in automatic fire always shoot, but for some reason they were shy, everything is not it all right?
  15. +2
    9 February 2012 05: 30
    There is only AK between the past and the future, all that is illusory in this world is raging; there is only AK for it and hold on ..... yeah, to what extent the majority of those present have their heads filled with shit! they either judge weapons on computer games, or stupidly believe that Russia does all the best except for the automobile industry, and some believe that Israel and Ukraine, by definition, cannot make good weapons because there Khokhly and Zhids ..... The population of Russia is degrading with terrible power !!!
  16. HITMAN
    0
    23 March 2012 15: 28
    3,27 A shortened version, the emka weighs 2. copecks, a little more Kalash up to 3 ...
    Well, where is the relief and convenience ... ???
    And someone that sorted out the brand ..? M-16 or galil ..?
    I couldn’t assemble the Negev before my eyes, I don’t know or the hands were crooked, like the instructor was like ...
    He fired and continue to shoot from M-16, M-4 and other similar crap, wedging and skewing the cartridge constantly ... Clean and lubricate the same thing ...
  17. fareastwood
    0
    4 November 2012 14: 22
    Good rifle.