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Plans for the revival of the air defense of Ukraine can only threaten civilian aircraft

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Plans for the revival of the air defense of Ukraine can only threaten civilian aircraftThe main direction of military construction for next year in Kiev is called the revival of the air defense forces, which are now represented by outdated Soviet models. The problem is that Ukraine does not have money to buy modern systems, and there is no corresponding production in the country. The problem of other countries in connection with the plans of Kiev is the safety of civil flights aviation.


The secretary of the Ukrainian National Security and Defense Council Oleksandr Turchynov worried about the state of air defense of the armed forces of this post-Soviet state. According to him, the council considers the revival of air defense potential a priority next year.

“In the best case for Ukraine, it could be some kind of US-made man-portable air defense systems”

“The greatest problem when we began the revival of the potential of the armed forces is the problem of the revival of the potential of air defense. That is why the National Security and Defense Council has identified the revival of air defense potential as a priority for 2016 of the year, ”reports Turchinov RIA“News».

According to him, the main difficulties in this matter lie in the fact that anti-aircraft missile systems and radar stations that exist in Ukraine were manufactured at the enterprises of the Russian Federation, therefore it is necessary to create production facilities from scratch. Turchinov noted that spare parts of either Ukrainian production or NATO countries will be used to upgrade stations and complexes.

A spokesman for the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine Oksana Gavrilyuk said that in 2015, the agency purchased weapons and equipment for 208 million dollars, reports TASS.

According to her, these types of weapons, equipment and equipment include 67 artillery shells to armored weapons; 625 thermal imaging, optical sights and night vision; 50 ground based radars; 640 small units weapons and 1000 silencers to it. In addition, 31 units of armored vehicles and equipment, 30 anti-tank missile systems, 610 units of motor vehicles, 20 upgraded aircraft and helicopters, 28 units of electronic equipment for them were purchased. That is, all purchases concerned weapons for the killing of people and the destruction of buildings on the ground, and not air defense.

In the budget of Ukraine for 2016, expenditures on national security and defense were increased by 16 billion hryvnia - to 113 billion hryvnia (4,7 billion dollars). At the same time, one division of Russian C-400 delivered to China with ammunition and training equipment costs about 500 million dollars, about the same cost as the division of the American Patriot C-300. The cost of the C-300 division is 200 – 250 million dollars.

Dispersed inheritance


After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Ukrainian state inherited the most powerful military group in Europe, which included a separate air defense army, nine separate air defense brigades, as well as three air armies and seven army aviation regiments. Also, 14 motorized rifle and four tank divisions of the Soviet army - each with an anti-aircraft missile regiment. These divisions had a total of 72 motorized rifle and tank regiments, each with an anti-aircraft missile division.

According to the 2014 year, Ukraine had 60 “Buk” complexes, 125 “Osa-AKM”, 100 “Krug”, 70 “Tunguska”, 150 “Strela-10М”, as well as several hundred 57-mm anti-aircraft guns and MANPADS “ Needle". In addition, at the disposal of the Kiev military there is a certain number of not the newest by Russian standards, but fairly sophisticated C-300 complexes, the number of which was not mentioned in open sources. According to the Ukrainian profile of the press, April 2013 years on duty consisted 60 battalions of S-200V, C-300V1, C-300PT / FP and "Buk-M1" It is reported that the S-200V, C-300PT and C-300B1 should be removed from service and transferred to the storage bases. The warranty period of service C-300 and "Bukov" have long been out, and workable complexes are assembled from components taken from other systems.

All the air defense systems that Ukraine has, Soviet-made, do not have their own production of modern systems.

Only thing for their history “Made famous” by the air defense of an independent Ukrainian state — shot down by mistake during the exercises of the Russian Tu-154 in 2001. Since the beginning of the war in the Donbass last year, anti-aircraft missile systems appeared on a photo from the ATO zone (which gave rise to suspicions of the Ukrainian side that they shot down Boeing, which was carrying out the MH-17 flight). actions they did not take. At the same time, we recall, the small and relatively efficient Ukrainian aviation was practically destroyed by the MANPADS of the militia already in the first months of the war.
Threat to passengers

According to Viktor Murakhovsky, the editor of the magazine Arsenal of the Fatherland, Ukraine has no chance to revive the air defense forces. “All the developers of air defense systems are in Russia. If we talk about the purchase of Western products, it is absolutely not the money that the western partners of Ukraine are able to allocate. In the best case for Ukraine, it could be some kind of American-made man-portable air defense systems, ”he told the newspaper VIEW.

He noted that from a military point of view, Ukrainian air defense does not pose any threat to Russia and its army, however, airlines flying through the territory of this state should be wary of Turchynov’s plans.

“These systems present danger in the sense that it can turn out to be unfortunate, as with Boeing. But if you look at Flightradar today, it’s like a black hole over Ukraine, everyone is trying to fly around it in any curved way, ”the expert concluded.
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  1. 52
    52 10 January 2016 07: 09
    +9
    Well, why, there are still slingshots, specially trained kamikaze pigeons, inflatable airplanes ̶п̶р̶е̶з̶е̶р̶в̶а̶т̶и̶в̶ы̶ balls ... But in general, you never know how much money will be allocated — at least 1000 billion hryvnias, everything’s stolen, for there’s nothing to catch .
    1. Dembel77
      Dembel77 10 January 2016 13: 53
      0
      Ukraine's air defense has so far only distinguished itself in the fight against civilian aircraft. And in the near future it is unlikely that anything will change. Excerpt from the article:
      From the above, we can conclude about the systemic degradation of the air defense of Ukraine. Currently, it is no longer up to date and has a focal character. Deliveries in a significant number of modern fighters, air defense system, means of monitoring the air situation and control in the near future is not expected. This means that in the next few years, the Ukrainian air defense, as a force capable of influencing the course of hostilities, will cease to exist. An indirect confirmation of the degradation of the Air Force and Air Defense of Ukraine is that the Air Force soldiers began to be used as “cannon fodder”. Thus, in January 2015, a consolidated detachment was formed from the military personnel of the Ukrainian Air Force, which was sent to the combat zone in eastern Ukraine and took part in the battles in the Avdeevka area as an infantry unit.
      http://topwar.ru/index.php?newsid=75266
    2. PaPapalpatine
      PaPapalpatine 10 January 2016 22: 10
      -7
      Well, why, there are still slingshots, specially trained kamikaze pigeons, inflatable anti-aircraft ̶p̶r̶e̶z̶e̶r̶v̶a̶t̶i̶v̶y̶ balls ... And


      Some have already joked about winter and gas.
      As a result, rush, which, once again, begs dill to accept a discount on gas; the latter, as it should be for the eternal virgin-touch, threw an insult and refuses ( repeat ), and gas imports from Slovakia.
      1. Apologet.Ru
        Apologet.Ru 10 January 2016 23: 02
        +1
        hi
        The author writes -
        According to the 2014 year, Ukraine had 60 COMPLEXES Buk, 125 Osa-AKM, 100 Circle, 70 Tunguska, 150 Strela-10M, as well as several hundred 57-mm anti-aircraft guns and Igla MANPADS.

        It's just not clear what he meant by the COMPLEXES - brigade / regiment, division, battery, guidance station, launcher, etc. etc. .. Because without understanding this term, all this appeal with numbers does not make any sense ... yes, yes ...
        And I can say for sure that the last C-300В was withdrawn from service (the former Goncharovskaya brigade relocated to Uman ...)
  2. Megatron
    Megatron 10 January 2016 07: 30
    +6
    This is how many weapons the idiots got, they sold for almost 40 years, and many more remained.
    1. lwxx
      lwxx 10 January 2016 08: 35
      14
      Fourty years? recourse 1991-2015, like 24 years old. Yes, the holidays dragged on laughing
      1. proletarian
        proletarian 10 January 2016 16: 43
        +1
        Well, dear, it happens "overdone".
        1. Megatron
          Megatron 11 January 2016 08: 06
          0
          In the morning I didn’t think so, in any case, they didn’t sell for a quarter of a century.
    2. mvg
      mvg 10 January 2016 20: 03
      +6
      We got the best, most combat-ready units, armed with the most modern technology. Better only in the output PGW. Second tier. For 91 years, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are not much inferior to Russia, not counting the strategy and the Navy. And even then, 1143.5 at that time in Nikolaev, it seemed, stood, barely managed to get away (with problems), through the Bosphorus.
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 10 January 2016 07: 45
    +5
    “In the best case for Ukraine, it could be some kind of US-made man-portable air defense systems”

    Just for Ukraine - air defense for the company battalion. And they better forget about the air defense systems, because they have already shown themselves on civilian aircraft. They will again beg for the Americans and possibly the Europeans.
    1. LÄRZ
      LÄRZ 10 January 2016 12: 24
      +3
      It is they who want to lure civilian planes to themselves, otherwise
      “These systems present danger in the sense that it can turn out to be unfortunate, as with Boeing. But if you look at Flightradar today, it’s like a black hole over Ukraine, everyone is trying to fly around it in any curved way, ”the expert concluded.
    2. Vohman
      Vohman 11 January 2016 19: 21
      0
      It is strange that so many people write about slingshots made in Ukraine, that in Ukraine there is no experience in designing and creating.
      I will try to remind those who like to "just peep" about some real developments, the effectiveness of which - I'm sure - no one will doubt. And so, I will give an example of at least three such indisputable in excellent performance characteristics of the complexes developed at the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau:

      First: R-36M (15A14) "Satan" - intercontinental ballistic missile

      Second: Combat railway missile systems (BZHRK)

      Third: System "Perimeter". Coffin Hand or Dead Hand (hand of death)

      I hope that many who are interested in real combat systems, and not political chatter in patriotic frenzy, will not doubt that this weapon is a standard in the modern world, not surpassed anywhere else in the world (and these are not big words, as often happens). Despite the fact that they were developed at the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau, those who write about the lack of experience in development and production.
      I do not consider it necessary to describe the performance characteristics of these products and their capabilities, everything can be found.

      I will give only a few words about the developer for the lazy.

      R-36M (15A14) "Satan" - The R-36M heavy-class missile system was developed by the Yuzhnoye design bureau to replace the R-36 heavy ICBM. The resolution of the Council of Ministers of the USSR "On the development and manufacture of the R-36M (15A14) missile system" was adopted on September 2, 1969.

      Combat railway missile systems (BZHRK) - Attempts were made by engineers of fascist Germany. Without success in the USSR, in the late 50s, development was carried out in OKB-301 (Semyon Lavochkin) (cruise missile "The Tempest") and OKB-586 (Mikhail Yangel) (creation of a specialized train for basing a medium-range ballistic missile R-12). However, only the Utkin brothers achieved success - the general designer of the Yuzhnoye design bureau academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Vladimir Fedorovich Utkin (Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine) and the general designer of the special engineering design bureau (St. Petersburg, Russia) the academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Alexei Fedorovich Utkin. Who did what (which KB) can be found.

      Perimeter System - The development of a special command missile system, called "Perimeter", was ordered by the Yuzhnoye design bureau by decree of the USSR government N695-227 of August 30, 1974.

      So, regarding the experience of the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau, it would be more correct for skeptics to quiet down and inquire that in fact the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau and Yuzhmash Design Bureau have always created highly efficient and first-class systems, which still have no analogues. I hope no one will argue about the effectiveness, uniqueness and first-class of this weapon.
  4. svp67
    svp67 10 January 2016 08: 02
    11
    Do not make such rash conclusions. Ukrainians modernized Georgian air defense systems and they were able to bring down several of our aircraft. Yes, Ukraine alone cannot produce air defense systems, but they have enough intellectual base to carry out their modernization and do not forget that Ukraine is working very closely with Israel, Belarus and Kazakhstan in matters of production and modernization of weapons. So, Kiev has a chance to bring its air defense system.
    1. Siberia 9444
      Siberia 9444 10 January 2016 08: 10
      +9
      You wrote everything correctly, but in 2008 a lot of water flowed. Maidan, overpowering, the destruction of its economy and, as a result, the destruction of the scientific and technical base.
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 10 January 2016 18: 15
        +3
        Quote: Siberia 9444
        and as a result, the destruction of the scientific and technical base.

        It follows that Ukraine needs to start with air-missile-modeling circles! No other way!
        1. SlavaP
          SlavaP 10 January 2016 22: 20
          -2
          And I advise you to shoot the raven - it helps a lot.
    2. Bongo
      Bongo 10 January 2016 09: 10
      11
      Quote: svp67
      Do not make such rash conclusions. Ukrainians modernized Georgian air defense systems and they were able to bring down several of our aircraft.

      A significant part of the Russian attack aircraft in the 2008 year of the Su-25 was hit by Russian MANPADS. If we call modernization the delivery from Ukraine of Buk-M1 air defense systems - then yes. Of the two zrdn received by Georgia, only one managed to take part in the hostilities. Moreover, not the Georgians were sitting at the control panels ... Another division was captured in the port of Poti by Russian paratroopers.
    3. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 10 January 2016 11: 12
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      Ukraine is working very closely with Israel, Belarus and Kazakhstan. So, Kiev has a chance to bring its air defense system.

      It is difficult to say for Israel, but Belarusians and Kazakhstanis will definitely not want to spoil relations with Russia, especially since they themselves receive anti-aircraft systems from Russia.
    4. Vohman
      Vohman 12 January 2016 00: 04
      0
      Quote: svp67
      ... Yes, Ukraine alone cannot produce air defense systems ...

      You should not say so categorically, although your comment suggests that there are still people who think before writing something.

      For you, an example of three complexes developed in the Design Bureau of the South:

      First: R-36M (15A14) "Satan" - intercontinental ballistic missile

      Second: Combat railway missile systems (BZHRK)

      Third: System "Perimeter". Coffin Hand or Dead Hand (hand of death)

      I hope that many who are interested in real combat systems, and not political chatter in patriotic frenzy, will not doubt that this weapon is a standard in the modern world, not surpassed anywhere else in the world (and these are not big words, as often happens). Despite the fact that they were developed at the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau, those who write about the lack of experience in development and production.
      I do not consider it necessary to describe the performance characteristics of these products and their capabilities, everything can be found.

      I will give only a few words about the developer for the lazy.

      R-36M (15A14) "Satan" - The R-36M heavy-class missile system was developed by the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau to replace the heavy R-36 ICBM. The resolution of the Council of Ministers of the USSR "On the development and manufacture of the R-36M (15A14) missile system" was adopted on September 2, 1969.

      Combat railway missile systems (BZHRK) - Attempts were made by engineers of fascist Germany. Without success in the USSR, in the late 50s, development was carried out in OKB-301 (Semyon Lavochkin) (cruise missile "The Tempest") and OKB-586 (Mikhail Yangel) (creation of a specialized train for basing a medium-range ballistic missile R-12). However, only the Utkin brothers achieved success - the general designer of the Yuzhnoye design bureau academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Vladimir Fedorovich Utkin (Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine) and the general designer of the special engineering design bureau (St. Petersburg, Russia) the academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Alexei Fedorovich Utkin. Who did what (which KB) can be found.

      System "Perimeter" - The development of a special command missile system, called "Perimeter", was set by the Design Bureau "Yuzhnoye" by the decree of the government of the USSR N695-227 of August 30, 1974.

      It turns out that the KB Yuzhnoye and Yuzhmash created highly efficient and first-class systems, which still have no analogues. I hope no one will argue about the effectiveness, uniqueness and first-class quality of these weapons, and so will you.
  5. Voha_krim
    Voha_krim 10 January 2016 08: 42
    +1
    They are watching UkrAdin how our Air Forces are working in Syria, and they are primarily thinking about air defense.
    Yes, their gut is thin!
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 10 January 2016 12: 31
      +2
      Quote: Voha_krim
      They are watching UkrAdin how our Air Forces are working in Syria, and they are primarily thinking about air defense.
      Yes, their gut is thin!


      The leaders of the former Ukraine now need not think about air defense. An economic collapse is brewing, and this is fraught with a big riot, only sparks are enough, Unfortunately (IMHO) this spark will be ignited by Bandera and outright fascists, and only military operations in the southeast can save the ruling clique. Everything is moving towards this.
      (cry.)
  6. Same lech
    Same lech 10 January 2016 08: 58
    +2
    Until now, the villains in KIEV have not apologized for the downed TU-154 of SIBERIA Airlines ...

    “The Ukrainian side has done everything to“ bury ”the investigation,” Boris Kalinovsky, the son of one of the passengers of the downed airliner, told KP. - We were paid monetary compensation, but Kiev did not plead guilty and did not punish anyone. Ukraine behaved in the same way as in the case of the Malaysian Boeing, shot down over the Donetsk region last year: they say that the rocket was, but where it arrived from is not known. The criminal case was closed.
  7. Bongo
    Bongo 10 January 2016 09: 11
    +8
    2013 of the year on combat duty consisted of 60 divisions of the S-200В, С-300В1, С-300ПТ / ПС and Buk-M1 air defense divisions, while it was reported that the S-200В, С-300ПТ and С-XNNX and SXXNNX weapons and transferred to the storage base.

    Unfortunately, the author is using 10 data from a year ago. Of all of the above, only 6-7 C-300PS divisions with long-expired missiles made about 25 years ago remained on alert duty.
    State of air defense of Ukraine
    http://topwar.ru/75266-sostoyanie-pvo-ukrainy.html
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 10 January 2016 14: 06
      +3
      Quote: Bongo
      Out of all of the above, only 6-7 S-300PS divisions with long-expired missiles made about 25 years ago remained on alert duty.

      Sergey! Hello! Well, I wouldn’t risk shooting such missiles.! 0years is a guarantee and another 8-10 after warranty storage with deterioration due to chemical decomposition of the fuel, regardless of solid or liquid fuel. I think that development is possible, but a new production serial Ukraine is unlikely to fix. Part of the development was carried out at the Kharkov Institute of Instrument Engineering, part at Yuzhmash. In what condition is all this, and the fuel components must be taken somewhere.
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    2. padded jacket
      padded jacket 10 January 2016 14: 10
      +1
      Quote: Bongo
      Unfortunately, the author uses data from 10 years ago.

      Now the Ukrainian military-industrial complex seems to be developing the Dnepr medium-range air defense system, but it seems that the matter has not moved further than computer graphics. smile
  8. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 10 January 2016 09: 41
    +3
    Well, something they can do, for example, a radar, the whole complex is unlikely ..
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 10 January 2016 15: 48
      +2
      Quote: dmi.pris
      Well, something they can do, for example, a radar, the whole complex is unlikely ..

      The Shostka powder factory was specifically watching. The only Ukrainian company that produced fuel for solid propellant rocket engines has not been paid a salary since 2014, but they have not been able to find out a lot about the affairs of the plant. Most likely it will collapse like everywhere else in Ukraine. And it is impossible to launch rockets without fuel charges.
  9. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 10 January 2016 09: 50
    +3
    “In the best case for Ukraine, it could be some kind of US-made man-portable air defense systems”
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    This is on my computer so zafigachilos. In my opinion, a very topic.
  10. evil partisan
    evil partisan 10 January 2016 09: 59
    +3
    Thank God all the possibilities of the UkroPVO are known to our specialists inside and out. I assume that the options for countering it have already been worked out. It will be worse if some of our "partners" as "humanitarian aid" give the hahlam something of their not very old. And how to call this gift they will come up with at once. They will say that for the defense against Iran and that's it.
  11. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 10 January 2016 10: 10
    +5
    The safest for the Ukrainian sky is to shoot Turchinov and others like him
    from the purchased pistols, having not previously forgotten to screw the muffler. To
    normal people do not bother.
  12. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 10 January 2016 10: 59
    +4
    The future of Ukraine’s air defense is barrage balloons. laughing
  13. family tree
    family tree 10 January 2016 12: 50
    +1
    640 small arms and 1000 silencers for it.
    belay No, at one year? No, of course I knew that they had a paragraph, but that’s already what if the arrow in units is considered.
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 10 January 2016 15: 30
      +1
      Like in a travel weapons store ... bully
  14. KBR109
    KBR109 10 January 2016 13: 51
    +2
    Empty concussion. The fleet and air defense went into the bright Ukrainian past - too expensive. The Air Force (scraped together with the help of Eastern Europe a couple of hundred aircraft heavier than air) will stretch for another couple of years (if it will be peaceful) and also - the khan.
  15. Flat5160
    Flat5160 10 January 2016 14: 11
    +3
    What will they train on rag buoys? Probably on civilian ships flying in the neighborhood. Neighboring countries need to be extremely careful.
  16. vvp2412
    vvp2412 10 January 2016 18: 31
    0
    According to her, the specified types of weapons, machinery and equipment include ...... 20 modernized aircraft and helicopters ....


    Can I have more details? :) What kind of helicopter planes did they buy? :) Or does it mean - the repaired ones that were knocked out in the Donbass and those that were in storage, count the ferrous metal?
  17. Yak28
    Yak28 10 January 2016 20: 47
    +3
    Verse about Ukraine
  18. Orionvit
    Orionvit 11 January 2016 01: 22
    +1
    Quote: Siberia 9444
    You wrote everything correctly, but in 2008 a lot of water flowed. Maidan, overpowering, the destruction of its economy and, as a result, the destruction of the scientific and technical base.

    Indeed, time is passing. Armament, even the most advanced, is aging, especially in Ukraine, where something that has not been sold is rotting in the open air. The only advanced enterprise in its time "Iskra" in Zaporozhye is dilapidated and produces radar stations developed in the late 80s. last century, instead of thirty per month, as in the Union, three per year. Which buys only Sudan, Vietnam and the like.
  19. Balagan
    Balagan 11 January 2016 04: 30
    0
    Judging by the statements of Biryukov, now slippers will become their main weapon. laughing
  20. Wolka
    Wolka 11 January 2016 05: 52
    0
    do not underestimate Ukraine, as shown by the events of the past year, the Kiev punks tearing to power can still easily smash firewood in the sky with the few that remain of the once powerful military potential inherited from the USSR, but it’s impossible to smash firewood for these nouveaux riches .. .
  21. Lord blacwood
    Lord blacwood 12 January 2016 11: 31
    -1
    Ukraine has no funds for the purchase of air defense systems. The country is on the verge of default. What can be the talk about the purchase of air defense. The country's main problem is economic recovery. Having restored it, it will be possible to think about air defense.
  22. magician
    magician 19 January 2016 01: 44
    0
    Mad engineer Mahmoud from DAISH will come and everything will be settled in the military-industrial complex of Ukraine. All this is sad. Enemies are not needed, having such a neighbor at hand.