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Turchinov: Ukraine is developing a more powerful rocket than the one that was conceived under the Sapsan project

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Ukraine is developing a powerful operational-tactical missile, work on its creation "is under tight control," said NSDC Secretary Alexander Turchinov. His words leads newspaper Look.


Estimated view of the SPU complex "Sapsan"

“Regarding operational tactical missiles, this topic is under strict control of the National Security and Defense Council,” said Turchinov.

“Our designers are working out an operational-tactical missile, which exceeds in terms of its performance the project that at one time received the name Sapsan,” he said.

According to him, "this will be the production of a full cycle, starting from rocket fuel and ending with the combat part of the rocket, which will be the best standard of operational tactical missiles in the world."

The newspaper reminds that Yuzhnoye Design Bureau (Dnepropetrovsk) was appointed the developer of the Sapsan complex in 2007, and the Southern Machine-Building Plant was to become the producer. It was planned to finish the work in 2012.

“However, in the 2013 year, the then Minister of Defense of Ukraine, Pavel Lebedev, stated that the Sapsan project was closed due to underfinancing and the lack of any result,” the newspaper writes.

According to the minister, the developers of 5 have spent a lot of money for years, but in the end they could not even present a prototype.
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  1. RUSS
    RUSS 30 December 2015 14: 59
    27
    Ukrovunderdvaflya
    1. CHILD
      CHILD 30 December 2015 15: 06
      11
      ..there is UMZ and DMZ, and it has hurt since Soviet times, my mother was not grieving ... the third ten years, she’s still acting ... so it’s better to solve this problem quietly))) ... the practice of sabotage is straightforward ... what is going on in the head of local citizens and because such news from the Outskirts doesn’t warm the soul at all ...
      1. kil 31
        kil 31 30 December 2015 15: 22
        +4
        Quote: KIND
        ..there is UMZ and DMZ, and it has hurt since Soviet times, my mother was not grieving ... the third ten years, she’s still acting ... so it’s better to solve this problem quietly))) ... the practice of sabotage is straightforward ... what is going on in the head of local citizens and because such news from the Outskirts doesn’t warm the soul at all ...

        Sabotage is already there. No need to jerk ordinary citizens. For them everything was decided by the Moscow Region. Why does Turchinov not know about this? Probably without him fucking.
        Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine for European Integration Igor Dolgov supports the idea of ​​privatizing defense industry enterprises by companies from NATO member states. He stated this during an online conference for "European Truth".
        1. Alexey Boukin
          Alexey Boukin 30 December 2015 16: 01
          +1
          Quote: keel 31
          Sabotage is already there. No need to jerk ordinary citizens. For them everything was decided by the Moscow Region. Why does Turchinov not know about this? Probably without him

          Something tells me that our money went around neighbors.
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 30 December 2015 16: 06
            +2
            Quote: Alexey Bukin
            Something tells me that our money went around neighbors.

            Which ones? Our credit has already been plundered rather, so there isn’t much to go around there, the West and the USA give only the handouts.
            1. cniza
              cniza 30 December 2015 16: 15
              +4
              Could these, with the permission of the leaders, say, organize some kind of business, let alone the production of missiles ... they can only dance a military hopak (but they have a base, as long as there are personnel).
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            3. Nicholas C.
              Nicholas C. 30 December 2015 16: 28
              +1
              Do you not know that:
              1. Russia pumped liquidity Ukrainian subsidiaries of their banks in the amount of a large (total much more) notorious 3 billion dollars. without the prospect of returns.
              2. LDNR enterprises still pay taxes to the budget of Ukraine. LDNR does not receive any pensions for pensioners from Ukraine, NOTHING.
              3. and so forth. There is no time. Riddles, akin to the free supply of junta gas after the coup to the end of the second quarter in the amount of $ 5 billion. $ Under the words that they are not going to pay, is full. The Donbass genocide cost Ukraine cheaper.
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 30 December 2015 16: 56
                +6
                Quote: Nikolai S.
                2. LDNR enterprises still pay taxes to the budget of Ukraine. LDNR does not receive any pensions for pensioners from Ukraine, NOTHING.

                First you need to not be like the Censor, where does this infa come from?
                Vladyka Sidh wrote the other day literally on the topic that all businessmen are re-registered to the tax service of the DPR and LPR, everyone who does not do this receives a new director and chief accountant from the authorities. He must be visible from Donetsk nevertheless!
                and of course about the new rocket:
                The famous Sapsan, the R&D stage on the rocket ended at the level of large-scale prototyping, and this was under Yanukovych. This is when Yuzhmash was still alive, when there were an order of magnitude less problems in the economy.
                I do not believe!
                1. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 30 December 2015 18: 51
                  13
                  Quote: APASUS
                  First you need to not be like the Censor, where does this infa come from?
                  Vladyka Sidh wrote the other day literally on the topic that all businessmen are re-registered to the tax service of the DPR and LPR, everyone who does not do this receives a new director and chief accountant from the authorities. He must be visible from Donetsk nevertheless!

                  On the first two points from Nicholas S. Yes - smacks of censornet. But with regard to gas supplies - "there_the_people_freeze" ... Something I don't remember that the fate of my and my family was especially interested in someone in the early 90s ... Whether we were freezing or not - not one with ... it was not interesting. And a very young military pensioner studied at the institute and worked at a construction site as an auxiliary. Because the pension, with all the allowances, ended as quickly as prices rose at a gallop - I had no time to bring it home. And no one said "there_she_people". Only thousands of those who were thrown out of the army by democracy, to which we gave half their lives, and some even health, gritted their teeth (not for the first time to go for a breakthrough!) And survived in spite of democracy. How they survived in the army before. We were disaccustomed to pity anyone, and even more so, "our smaller brothers."

                  They would like to continue to live like people - they would think about who fed and warmed them. And now let Bandera and Biden warm them up, these "people there."
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                  1. APASUS
                    APASUS 31 December 2015 11: 36
                    0
                    Quote: Nikolai S.
                    About taxes LDNR. Vasily Muravitsky: "Only from the territory of the DPR, enterprises paid 2015 billion hryvnia to the budget of Ukraine in 3,5". www.politnavigator.net/gosudarstvo-ukraina-unichtozheno-chto-proizoshlo-minuvshe

                    jj-nochyu.html

                    I looked and found only one source of this information, all links lead to:
                    Donetsk, August 4, 2015, 21:14 - REGNUM Donbass enterprises controlled by the DPR paid more taxes to the state budget of Ukraine than businesses located in the region controlled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The ex-mayor of Donetsk Alexander Lukyanchenko, who left office in the summer of 4, after strengthening the republican authorities in the city, said this in an interview with Glavcom on August 2014.

                    Details: http://regnum.ru/news/polit/1949150.html Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM IA.

                    And I would agree with your statement if this citizen posted this certificate on the net, but no! The prefix confuses his personality: ex-mayor To say that this is a reliable source of information means to confirm that every rumor is the truth !!!
            4. Apologet.Ru
              Apologet.Ru 30 December 2015 16: 48
              +3
              hi
              Something about pi.talk with a smart look. Another oral-oral Paramog of the Blood Pastor ...
      2. Asadullah
        Asadullah 30 December 2015 16: 08
        +4
        so it’s better to solve this problem quietly


        I am an ardent supporter of quiet problem solving. Only this is not a problem. Ukraine has been trading in air for all twenty years, inventing a threat and solving it at the expense of those whom it managed to scare. This is a country in which state consciousness is completely absent, with the exception of the digested remnants of fascism. Therefore, any sounding like this carries two possible components, the first, an empty phrase for local media use, the second, an appeal to the patrons - let us finish our formidable weapon with money, with which we will end separatism and put Russia in its place.
      3. Skifotavr
        Skifotavr 30 December 2015 18: 16
        +2
        Quote: KIND
        ..there is UMZ and DMZ, and it has hurt since Soviet times, my mother was not grieving ... the third ten years, she’s still acting ... so it’s better to solve this problem quietly))) ... the practice of sabotage is straightforward ... what is going on in the head of local citizens and because such news from the Outskirts doesn’t warm the soul at all ...

        So then it is, but I doubt that things will go beyond pathos. Already very nenka-outskirts of the poor, and her khans are greedy laughing
      4. Hyppopotut
        Hyppopotut 30 December 2015 18: 21
        +1
        On Yuzhmash people do not receive salaries for half a year. So, they don’t show zeal in work ... Yes, and in Dnepropetrovsk, not all are for the Kiev junta ...
    2. lexxxus
      lexxxus 30 December 2015 15: 06
      +3
      The picture is beautiful. The child has a similar machine. wink

      And with the name they laughed - it’s plagiarism. There is already a Peregrine Falcon
    3. The black
      The black 30 December 2015 15: 06
      19
      Interestingly, the great Ukrainian wall will fly? laughing
      1. Denis Obukhov
        Denis Obukhov 30 December 2015 15: 47
        +3
        Quote: Black
        Interestingly, the great Ukrainian wall will fly? laughing




        to launch this rocket you need to wait until the fuel in the form of pickles ferment well laughing
    4. Fregate
      Fregate 30 December 2015 15: 11
      12
      Under tight control, it is being developed, and under it it will die.
      Interestingly, the great Ukrainian wall will fly?

      Jump over. It will be a galloping rocket laughing
    5. Sura
      Sura 30 December 2015 15: 39
      +5
      More precisely, Ukrovundervaflya-2 (similar to FAU-2)
    6. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 30 December 2015 15: 40
      +5
      Quote: RUSS
      Ukrovunderdvaflya

      Most likely there will be another "Elusive JOE". The peregrine falcon, which has been developed since 2006 and has not seen the light of day, due to financial and personnel difficulties, the new project may have a similar fate. In the best case, for the public, the layout of the "overexerration" will be done and will stop there.
    7. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 30 December 2015 15: 42
      +3
      Well, if you drew, then consider it done! It remains only to paint the picture, and - it will be cool! The coolest will be.
    8. 79807420129
      79807420129 30 December 2015 15: 45
      12
      Quote: RUSS
      Ukrovunderdvaflya

      Even if this ukrovunderdvaflya takes off, it will take 100 years and it will be a tremendous breakthrough, now Yuzhmash produces stove stoves, so maybe they will take off, but Yuzhmash has developed both Satan and Stiletto and much more, so download kakely, download.
      1. Maxom75
        Maxom75 30 December 2015 19: 01
        -1
        Is Yuzhmash a developer? He is a manufacturer, and a developer of the Research Institute of Heat Engineering in Moscow. So in terms of development, Yuzhmash has no experience and that they won’t get there yet is not a fact that he will fly.
        1. Vohman
          Vohman 30 December 2015 20: 47
          +2
          Quote: Maxom75
          in terms of development, Yuzhmash has no experience, and what they’re building there is not yet a fact that he will fly


          Yuzhmash has no experience ?! Such a hearing and reading is super-strange!
          Firstly, I am sending you to the site of Yuzhmash http://www.yuzhmash.com
          Secondly, the legendary SS-18 "Satan" ballistic missiles are precisely Yuzhmashevskie (this is about experience)

          Thirdly, missiles were fired from 1951 to 1990 (this is also about your "no experience")
          Fourth, this enterprise and the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau have developed 12 (or 13) types of military missiles. There are also 7 types of civilian space rockets. And not only developed, but also made in metal.

          Perhaps now the company is not doing well on the economic side, but at the expense of experience, you blurted out, most likely without thinking.

          Well, at the expense of your doubts ("not the fact that it will fly") ... Well, you do not deny that "Satan" flies? And how it flies! So, I am sure that with such experience and scientific potential, the modification of the Sapsan (and the Korshun) should not look bad against the general background of modern developments and analogues. And given the fact that the enterprise was famous for its non-standard solutions and excellent quality of manufactured military products, this becomes more real than ever. And there will be no doubt about the quality (as in the first-class performance characteristics, which has always been confirmed by the manufactured products, you just have to ask).

          By the way, the specialists of this design bureau in the Soviet times became the authors of 12 (13) of 20 Soviet missile developments. So to doubt is certainly good. But why write nonsense?
          1. Maxom75
            Maxom75 31 December 2015 00: 04
            +2
            At the expense of nonsense, chickens are counted in the fall. To begin with, in your opinion, where are there so many rocket scientists in Krasnoyarsk and Izhevsk? Look how many people left Ukraine forever and moved to Russia. Developments that Yuzhmash is so deservedly proud of in the past, the times of the USSR are over, well, that's just for your information. In addition, any work at a machine-building enterprise does not tolerate a company, but needs to be systematic, how many years do a designer grow up? Well, if you don't know then 15 to 20 years after graduation. As far as I know, the latest development for the Ukrainian Armed Forces made by Yuzhmash turned out to be ineffective and extremely expensive. after the Maidan, the stream of qualified specialists from the Dnieper simply turned into a turbulent river, and the problem with personnel at Yuzhmash is now. A modern rocket will be more complicated than a trolleybus. Well, something like this.
            1. Vohman
              Vohman 31 December 2015 02: 04
              0
              I wonder what you are talking about when you write "the latest development for the Ukrainian Armed Forces made by Yuzhmash turned out to be ineffective and extremely expensive". Why not immediately write down specifically what you mean? Or just words? As far as I know, nothing new has yet been proposed for the Armed Forces of Ukraine after the collapse of the Union in the field of air defense. All that was done was modernization, maintenance and thus extension. But it was both successful and effective (and economically profitable). And what kind of missile (NEW !!) do you mean? What kind of "beast"? Enlighten, please, if these are not just words.

              Next, you write:
              To begin with, where do you think there are so many rocket specialists in Krasnoyarsk and Izhevsk? Look how many left Ukraine forever and moved to Russia.

              I don't know where there are "so many" (and how many? :) specialists in this area, but as far as I understand, GOOD specialists in this area can be counted on one hand (in general, in all countries in general).
              And one more thing: even if you think that these are specialists from Ukraine, then it is respect to Ukraine that it has so many specialists that it is enough for Ukraine and Russia.
              But the fact that refugee specialists are immediately taken directly to defense enterprises of Russia (I doubt that specialists are direct, but let it be your way), and even to enterprises in such a strategic area, it seems to me a myth. Tell me, can you personally give at least some evidence other than unconfirmed words? Please, please.

              I'm not sure that such specialists from Ukraine will be immediately hired for defense enterprises in such a serious field. Are you talking about Constructors ?? :) Something I can't believe that the constructors are leaving in piles. You write yourself - a designer is a delicate and rare business. A good one is generally rare! Perhaps one of the skilled workers left. But still, Yuzhmash is not in the ATO zone, so it is not entirely plausible that SERIOUS specialists would leave to work for defense enterprises in Russia. What is the meaning for them in this? If a real specialist, then his place is in Europe, Israel, in the United States - and the conditions are much better (since you are worried about living conditions), and still there are "a little more" freedoms - and this is also very important. Well, the salary (if you are talking about it) is not quite comparable. So why should Real specialists go to Russia? This is not promising, and for a professional in such a specific area it would not be quite the right choice if Russia is not the Motherland and everything rests - as you suppose - on material benefits.

              Of course, I could be wrong, but nevertheless the history says that it is SPECIALISTS who usually leave not for Russia (both from Russia and Ukraine), but to countries with more decent conditions in all respects. And except for native birches and from childhood to tears in the eyes of the familiar smell of manure, they have nothing to regret. Unfortunately, something like that.
              Although our bread is really still much better and tastier than over the hill. "But that's a completely different story" :)
    9. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 30 December 2015 15: 49
      +3
      In the words of Balsamin, mother, turn off the light, let me dream!
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    11. Tusv
      Tusv 30 December 2015 16: 30
      +1
      Quote: RUSS
      Ukrovunderdvaflya

      Platform - nAgly decommissioned Samson. In vain bought chtoli? Cut down the roof, Push the Point-U and push us to shred us mosk (forbidden, for some reason) Russians. Yeah and yeah. Americans are afraid. But damn nada show off.
      He lived in the world "Oh" and "Ah", and women just liked Ogogo


      Here is the new New Year's toast: "Let's be OGOGO, and oh and oh, losers"
    12. Alez
      Alez 30 December 2015 16: 37
      +1
      To launch a rocket, a Super Slider was developed, which will be pulled by 100 ukrovoins.
    13. Uran
      Uran 30 December 2015 17: 03
      +1
      it would be better if they developed brains for themselves
  2. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 30 December 2015 14: 59
    +4
    here you have the new korea only in europe. Give only the term and american dollars.
  3. Pak_c_TonopoM
    Pak_c_TonopoM 30 December 2015 15: 00
    +7
    And now the loot has appeared, and we, we, and we will shut you all up ... A bunch in a puddle ...
  4. serg1970
    serg1970 30 December 2015 15: 03
    +8
    Well, if under the control of Turchinov, it makes no sense to fear. The rocket will never be designed and built.
    1. cap
      cap 30 December 2015 18: 43
      0
      Quote: serg1970
      Well, if under the control of Turchinov, it makes no sense to fear. The rocket will never be designed and built.


      "Since Ukraine has joined the sanctions against the Russian Federation - economic, financial, we have decided to introduce protective measures in the form of a food embargo," he said.
      The embargo will take effect on 1 on January 2016 of the year, on the day the association agreement between Ukraine and the EU takes effect.
      At the same time, Minister of Economic Development and Trade of Ukraine Aivaras Abromavichus previously predicted that the Ukrainian economy would not suffer significant damage due to a possible embargo.

      The development will certainly be brought to mind. Or they will cooperate with "partners" in the EU.
      Can sell, guess who? laughing
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 30 December 2015 21: 39
        +3
        Quote: cap
        Well, if under the control of Turchinov, it makes no sense to fear. The rocket will never be designed and built.

        Well yes, winked ... synonyms can be traced, senkin’s fence-Turchinov’s rocket .. wink
  5. izya top
    izya top 30 December 2015 15: 03
    +3
    and haven’t laid back the chicken ass yet? sorry, sorry
  6. Same lech
    Same lech 30 December 2015 15: 03
    +6
    “However, in the 2013 year, the then Minister of Defense of Ukraine, Pavel Lebedev, stated that the Sapsan project was closed due to underfinancing and the lack of any result,” the newspaper writes.


    Well, why again to fence the same garden now ... Baptist TURCHINOV and operational-tactical missile ... things are incompatible.
  7. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 30 December 2015 15: 03
    +8
    The word powerful lacks the front letter h!
  8. glasha3032
    glasha3032 30 December 2015 15: 04
    11
    Their former defense minister said well about the result .... Well, if there was no result before the Maidan, now it certainly will not be there — too much of everything you need is for the rocket — but, alas, there is no money ... And there is already help from Russia You will not get it...
  9. Uncle
    Uncle 30 December 2015 15: 04
    +4
    I wonder why Ukraine such a rocket? Against Russia? Oh well. Europe? Hardly. New Russia? Perhaps the most likely opponent.
  10. puppet
    puppet 30 December 2015 15: 05
    +9
    just another cut
    now all news from there are divided into 2 categories: "give money" and "cost justification"
  11. SAM 5
    SAM 5 30 December 2015 15: 06
    +4
    it will be a full-cycle production, from rocket fuel to the warhead of the rocket, which will be the best standard of operational-tactical missiles in the world

    Otag. Kahly ahead of the rest.
  12. Igor39
    Igor39 30 December 2015 15: 07
    +4
    And then they will cancel this one and in exchange will do even more powerful, in a couple of years, well done, on the right track! laughing
  13. OlegV
    OlegV 30 December 2015 15: 08
    +3
    bye ..... what the hell is rocket ????

    another bravado .... apparently for complacency.

    all the "brains" that were either the Americans lured to themselves or even fled, there were only bawlers and mediocrities, just like the NSDC secretary himself
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 30 December 2015 15: 50
      0
      OlegV

      What kind of brains? Are these from western Ukraine? Better B did not do this.

      The worse people live, the more they start to think. So look and right thoughts will appear.
  14. kergudu straight
    kergudu straight 30 December 2015 15: 11
    +3
    The new development of the Super-Kizyak rocket, it works strictly on fuel "a bunch of yourself", to detonate the warhead it is necessary to get into a puddle, with such technologies I began to point out the "banderlogy", what else would come to their heads
  15. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 30 December 2015 15: 14
    +7
    the maximum that Turchins can build is a rocket from a Coca-Cola bottle on a mentos
  16. Samen
    Samen 30 December 2015 15: 19
    +4
    Poros and Turchinka gathered to intercede in NATu ... well, they decided, I suppose, that they would accept it faster with their rocket. Let it not be of the NATO model, but powerful! And the color "zhovto-blakitny" pleases the eye. wassat
  17. RUSS
    RUSS 30 December 2015 15: 20
    +3
    There is news about a real project-Rogozin talked about working on a space dump truck
    In Russia, work is underway to create a superheavy rocket, its creation has already been laid down in the new Federal Space Program (FKP) for 2016–2025. This was announced in an interview with Russia-24 TV channel by Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, reports on Wednesday, December 30.
    According to Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, the new missile is intended for large expeditions and will become a kind of “dump truck” capable of delivering more than 100 tons of cargo. The Deputy Prime Minister said that Russia is starting to implement this project in the same way as the USSR: it was first created Zenit rocket, which was the first stage, and then, after building up the modules, the superheavy rocket Energia was created.

    “Now we are creating it (an extra-heavy rocket - note“ Lenti.ru ”) on a completely new technological basis, and the new Federal Space Program has already laid down the creation of the Phoenix rocket, which will be the first step in creating an extra-heavy rocket (...) And this it’s already not 37 tons, like the Angara, not 25 tons like the Proton, and that’s already for 100 tons, and maybe 150 tons, ”he added.

    At the end of November this year, it was reported that over 2025 trillion rubles would be allocated from the federal budget for the implementation of Roscosmos projects until 1,5. Later, information appeared that the programs necessary for the study and colonization of the moon were excluded from the PCF. This, according to media reports, led to significant savings of 88,5 billion rubles. In Roscosmos, these rumors were refuted.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 30 December 2015 16: 01
      0
      RUSS

      What is the point of these missiles? You can agree to a sufficient degree of modernization.

      Eccentric wars are a priority now. This is when 2000 terrorists aimlessly shoot citizens, blow up houses and infrastructure, can destroy a city with a million population. The cost of the terrorists is not high compared to the cost of one Tamahawk missile. Which only carries 400 kg of explosives and is not strategic.

      It was estimated that the U.S. Army suffered greater financial losses in Yugoslavia than received benefits from the operation.

      Therefore, running abreks with small arms without bulletproof vests. Because this is enough to make destruction from Syria, as in Dresden after carpet bombing.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 30 December 2015 16: 07
        0
        Quote: gladcu2
        What is the point of these missiles?

        What rockets?
  18. INF
    INF 30 December 2015 15: 20
    +4
    And why am I so propelled at neighing? I saw this kind of news in the morning and a good mood all day.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 30 December 2015 15: 40
      +4
      Quote: INF
      And why am I so propelled at neighing? I saw this kind of news in the morning and a good mood all day.

      Turchinov: Ukraine is developing a more powerful rocket than the one that was conceived under the Sapsan project
      Rocket delivery vehicle.
  19. Vedroid 5.0
    Vedroid 5.0 30 December 2015 15: 24
    +3
    Fau-2 was more.
  20. raid14
    raid14 30 December 2015 15: 26
    +6
    Pathetic attempts of losers in the style of "yes we, yes me". Instead of dealing with their own economy, ending the war and fulfilling the Minsk agreements, they promise the people another "military breakthrough."
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 30 December 2015 15: 28
      +2
      Quote: raid14
      Pathetic attempts of losers in the style of "yes we, yes me". Instead of dealing with their own economy, ending the war and fulfilling the Minsk agreements, they promise the people another "military breakthrough."

      And there’s nothing more to promise .....
      1. raid14
        raid14 30 December 2015 15: 40
        +3
        On the Maidan the junta promises to Svidomo was "a complete basket", but where are they now.
        I remember that we will overthrow the "thieves' power", without visas for work in the EU, European pensions and salaries, we will defeat corruption, we will establish law and order.
        The leaders of the ruins are still those storytellers, G.H. Anderson just nervously smokes on the sidelines.
  21. Urals
    Urals 30 December 2015 15: 27
    +8
    What was the kid’s circle of missile modeling robbed of? With whom do they take it? Or did the pastor draw the drawings under the covers?
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 30 December 2015 15: 36
      +2
      Quote: Cis Ural
      What was the kid’s circle of missile modeling robbed of? With whom do they take it? Or did the pastor draw the drawings under the covers?


      And this is the "booster" for the new rocket.
      1. Urals
        Urals 30 December 2015 15: 40
        +2
        Ride this boerboel then look for where this piece of g .... but fell. laughing
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 30 December 2015 16: 20
        +1
        In principle, in Ukraine they can make OTRK - they simply upgrade the Tochka U missile.
  22. NDR-791
    NDR-791 30 December 2015 15: 28
    +2
    closed due to underfunding and lack of any result
    Which of these is primary? At that time, extreme money was still circulating, but the result ...
    it will be a full-cycle production, from rocket fuel to the warhead of a rocket
    There is a small BUT between these two parameters !!! - control and accuracy. Even the "Points" which they had been doing in Donbass and even then they could not modernize - they fell as God laid it on their souls. New and for such budgets as now can only be in areas with the latest warhead from the "Chernobyl legacy". By the way, a year ago, such thoughts were extremely voiced in all seriousness.
  23. lukewarm
    lukewarm 30 December 2015 15: 30
    +2
    Some of them have a Sapsan steam locomotive, and some have a rocket ... Some kind of everything is fine, judging by the drawing, everything is on the chassis of the "beloved KRAZ", the other really - where?
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 30 December 2015 15: 50
      0
      MAZ-79306 ("Astrologer") for "Iskander" Old Man sells only for money. And what about the ide? All karbovanets for the development of the latest gunpowder. They will charge with gunpowder and fly with fart steam. So import substitution is in action ...
  24. OlegV
    OlegV 30 December 2015 15: 33
    +5
    Quote: OlegV
    all the "brains" that were or the Americans lured to themselves or even fled,

    in continuation of the topic about "brains"
    some people left for England ............... and solved the problem with the lack of mixers in London:
  25. Kibl
    Kibl 30 December 2015 15: 37
    +2
    Why there’s some kind of rocket, I’m still not waiting for dill to announce the creation of climate weapons, combat blasters, gravitsaps, rubber bombs and other crap! Oppenheimer, Kurchatov, Korolev spinning propellers in coffins!
  26. Leia Organa
    Leia Organa 30 December 2015 15: 40
    +1
    Ukrainians invent again laughing
  27. The black
    The black 30 December 2015 15: 44
    +2
    Quote: Phantom Revolution
    Most likely there will be another "Elusive JOE". The peregrine falcon, which has been developed since 2006 and has not seen the light of day, due to financial and personnel difficulties, the new project may have a similar fate. In the best case, for the public, the layout of the "overexerration" will be done and will stop there.

    Exactly so. And the public will be pleasantly washed and some money will be washed, the wall is already eaten up apparently .. laughing
  28. drags33
    drags33 30 December 2015 15: 51
    +9
    An empty bucket always rings more ... So in b / u Ukraine - there are a lot of words, but absolutely no real deeds. Why did they, by the power of their impudent Ukrop thought, simply not "develop" - small arms, armored vehicles, missile systems ... And where are these "developments" ??? Reality is relentlessly showing that the former state of Ukraine is inevitably and catastrophically slipping into the Stone Age. The deindustrialization of the country is in full swing, and the top "leadership" looks more like "gimmicks" who fool the already zombified population.
  29. individual
    individual 30 December 2015 16: 02
    +1
    Hm! Peregrine Falcon.
    From Wikipedia: "Peregrine falcon flight speed is 300-320 km / h".
    With such speed, Turchinov with his gop company can only get to the people's court in the Donbass! am
  30. Gray 43
    Gray 43 30 December 2015 16: 07
    +1
    Does faith allow Turchinov to do such things? I never thought that tires could become rocket fuel))) and if "under the strict control of the NSDC," then you can be calm about the project - the people there will not be exchanged for trifles)))
  31. Proud.
    Proud. 30 December 2015 16: 10
    +2
    "... the best standard of tactical missiles in the world ..."- Damn ... I weep ... - The oldest Ukrainian civilization in the world (the ancestor of all existing ones). The most proud are NOT slaves on the planet. The most guardian guardians. The most jumping jumpers. The most government government. The most powerful armed forces. The most greasy fat. The most combustible vodka. The most dilly dill ...
  32. Shuttle
    Shuttle 30 December 2015 16: 11
    +1
    Well, here again (http://topwar.ru/87525-broneavtomobil-varta-dlya-ukrainskih-silovikov.html#comm

    ent-id-5329330)

    For what kind of audience should you read to give out such pearls about a seemingly top-secret rocket? They have not designed the old one yet, but have already conceived a new one.

    When you read the story of the "creation" of Sapsan, you immediately realize that Turchinov has very little imagination. The topic of sawing the dough on this Sapsan was still invented by Yushchenko. Yanukovych also profited. The Pastor clearly lacks ideas. He came up with the same cut, but under a new name.
  33. Cobra77
    Cobra77 30 December 2015 16: 14
    +3
    For example, I am very glad that Ukraine will continue to build and invest in such projects. The more time and money they spend on this, the less it will be for the war in Donbass. And the sooner the population realizes the full depth of the "reversal". We need to give them the idea of ​​cold fusion and the program ala SOI. smile
    1. Maxom75
      Maxom75 31 December 2015 00: 12
      0
      The main thing is to specify which SDI, otherwise these descendants of Bandera will plant all the gardens in it.))
  34. gelezo47
    gelezo47 30 December 2015 16: 24
    +1
    Interesting! So in 2013, Ukraine had no money to create rockets, and now they have appeared. And where did Mr. Turchinov take them !?
    Dreamer!!!... lol
  35. staryivoin
    staryivoin 30 December 2015 16: 25
    0
    You can add the letter "p" to the name and rearrange the letters - "PRASSAN". And it will be the very thing ...
  36. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 30 December 2015 17: 07
    +3
    The leader of the Indian tribe gathered in the jungle:
    - INDIANS !!! Are we a great people?
    - DAAAAAA!
    “Then why don't we have a nuclear missile?”
    - Well ... Let's build.
    They cut down the healthiest sequoia, hollowed out the core with axes, prepared gunpowder according to old Spanish recipes, hammered it, nailed the cork, brought a huge rope into the wick.
    - Where will we launch it?
    - Let's go to Yerevan!
    - And why to Yerevan?
    - I don’t know others ...
    They wrote "To Yerevan" on a rocket, piled up the whole tribe, set fire to the rope-fuse ... HOW * BANET! ... In short, the local Armageddon: smoke, fumes, everyone is lying around ... The leader without a leg, without an arm, looks around:
    - Wow ... I can imagine what is happening in Yerevan ...
  37. Flat5160
    Flat5160 30 December 2015 17: 43
    +4
    What weapons developments, they already burned all tires, not enough for mooring. Where are there before the rockets, tell me.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 30 December 2015 18: 48
      0
      Quote: Plat5160
      What weapons developments, they already burned all tires, not enough for mooring. Where are there before the rockets, tell me.

      Previously, billboards were hung out, and Ukrainians were mattresses.
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 30 December 2015 18: 51
      0
      Quote: Plat5160
      Already burnt all the tires, not enough for mooring.

      Not true. It’s their day of drying the mattresses, and the watchman is watching so that the homeless people don’t steal, and are not taken to the ATO zone, to the soldiers. They have nothing to sleep on.
  38. prohtank
    prohtank 30 December 2015 17: 46
    0
    it’s good to mock at the great and sooo ancient people they all get fat dropped
  39. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 30 December 2015 18: 00
    0
    The rocket still needs to be made, tested, set up production! The pastor wants to wishful thinking. But the news that high-tech enterprises of the military-industrial complex can come under the control of owners from NATO countries is somehow alarming, because they can, after all, have some kind of development in a high stage (degree) of readiness to transfer khokhlov for production. Yes, and to destroy factories, if necessary, if they do not belong to "independent" will become much more difficult.
  40. Platonich
    Platonich 30 December 2015 18: 02
    0
    Why are you mocking at our brothers, sinning over the Syrians ...
  41. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 30 December 2015 18: 10
    0
    Well, yes .... they will develop ... and they will become a world power ..... It's like a boast of a visitor to porn sites that he had the most famous and sculpted chicks with his left hand and right. And it will have, do not hesitate. If only elders will give money on the Internet ....
  42. uragan114
    uragan114 30 December 2015 18: 49
    0
    Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine for European Integration Igor Dolgov supports the idea of ​​privatizing defense industry enterprises by companies from NATO member states. He stated this during an online conference for the "European Truth". С (С)

    And does the military say that? Deputy Minister of Defense ??
  43. tomcat117
    tomcat117 30 December 2015 19: 45
    0
    Another snotty hoh.lyatskaya "waffle" of the full cycle, Adolf "giggles" in hell.
  44. afrikanez
    afrikanez 30 December 2015 19: 59
    0
    [quote] The Sapsan project was closed due to underfunding and lack of any result [/ quote /] Another dream of the "dill" and it seems. which is unrealizable, if "Sapsan" was closed for lack of results. recourse
  45. awg75
    awg75 30 December 2015 20: 28
    0
    very similar to a car with "V-2" .... and you can immediately see that "made in Ukropia"
    1. tuts
      tuts 30 December 2015 20: 37
      0
      Just wanted to write: Fau-2 on a new chassis (Damn the Nazis)
  46. lopvlad
    lopvlad 30 December 2015 21: 13
    0
    "Our designers are working out an operational-tactical missile, which exceeds the performance of the project, which at one time was called" Sapsan "

    you can develop anything in your head and even make a conceptual design (draw an approximate view of your imagination on paper), but the reality is a completely different matter. First you need to have real experience in developing OTRK and at least minimal technical groundwork in this direction.
    This has never happened in Ukraine. It takes about 5-10 years to build something "from scratch" and then with full funding.
  47. Vohman
    Vohman 30 December 2015 21: 24
    0
    The article is short. But there is a lot of information about Peregrine Falcon, and about Korshun, but not in the article :(
    In fact, no one completely turned off the development. The company worked in this direction and carried out (from open sources) an order in development for a foreign customer.
    I don't think that an enterprise with vast experience in development (I refer those interested to my comment above (you can find it by nickname)) will not be able to implement the already worked out project itself. And the improvements to the old Sapsan project are natural and evolutionary.

    I just don't understand the attitude of the commentators on the article: we are all on a site called Military Review. And since the article was written about weapons, I would like to see at least the attitude towards the performance characteristics of the Sapsan, comments about the missile developments of Yuzhmash ... at least something remotely reminiscent of an analysis of the situation and this weapon, for example, in comparison with any other similar class complex, etc. Why all this flood? After all, in practice, I found one comment in which a couple of lines were given to common reasoning:
    CHILD RU 15:06
    ..there YuMZ and DMZ, and hurt since Soviet times, my mother was not grieving ... the third ten years, still valid ...)

    Or does the thought stop at other than "wunderwaffle" and the like? Then we read the rules.

    The article is weak, of course. Unfortunately, there is nothing to read in the comments. But the topic is interesting!
  48. Lexa-149
    Lexa-149 30 December 2015 22: 38
    0
    And they bought a scale model of the newest OTR in Detsky Mir, and made the drawings from it.
  49. Termit1309
    Termit1309 31 December 2015 05: 34
    0
    Quote: Vohman
    I don't think that an enterprise with vast experience in development (I refer those interested to my comment above (you can find it by nickname)) will not be able to implement the already worked out project itself. And the improvements to the old Sapsan project are natural and evolutionary.

    In the absence of funding, trying to survive on intermittent orders mostly off-profile?
    Without experienced workers, did the old ones corny die of old age, did the younger run away?
    With broken cooperation with other enterprises of this profile?
    No, he can not. There are almost no exceptions. It passed all in 90-2000 years. Both Russia and Ukraine.
    1. Vohman
      Vohman 31 December 2015 08: 29
      -1
      Quote: Termit1309
      ..With disrupted cooperation with other enterprises of this profile? No, he can not. There are almost no exceptions. It passed all in 90-2000 years. Both Russia and Ukraine.


      Mr. Turchinov spoke about creating a full production cycle "from rocket fuel to the missile warhead." Judging by his words about this cycle, he understands that this cooperation is needed, and most likely it is these mechanisms that are being debugged.

      In general, the devil is not so terrible as he is painted (it's me about the possibilities to establish full production). This is only a matter of proper organization. Everything else is fully available and feasible.
      Wait and see.
  50. Felix2
    Felix2 31 December 2015 05: 36
    0
    Quote: Denis Obukhov
    Well, if you drew, then consider it done! It remains only to paint the picture, and - it will be cool! The coolest will be.