Turchinov: Ukraine is developing a more powerful rocket than the one that was conceived under the Sapsan project

Ukraine is developing a powerful operational-tactical missile, work on its creation "is under tight control," said NSDC Secretary Alexander Turchinov. His words leads newspaper Look.

Estimated view of the SPU complex "Sapsan"

“Regarding operational tactical missiles, this topic is under strict control of the National Security and Defense Council,” said Turchinov.

“Our designers are working out an operational-tactical missile, which exceeds in terms of its performance the project that at one time received the name Sapsan,” he said.

According to him, "this will be the production of a full cycle, starting from rocket fuel and ending with the combat part of the rocket, which will be the best standard of operational tactical missiles in the world."

The newspaper reminds that Yuzhnoye Design Bureau (Dnepropetrovsk) was appointed the developer of the Sapsan complex in 2007, and the Southern Machine-Building Plant was to become the producer. It was planned to finish the work in 2012.

“However, in the 2013 year, the then Minister of Defense of Ukraine, Pavel Lebedev, stated that the Sapsan project was closed due to underfinancing and the lack of any result,” the newspaper writes.

According to the minister, the developers of 5 have spent a lot of money for years, but in the end they could not even present a prototype.

Comments

[RUSS]

Ukrovunderdvaflya

[CHILD]

..there is UMZ and DMZ, and it has hurt since Soviet times, my mother was not grieving ... the third ten years, she’s still acting ... so it’s better to solve this problem quietly))) ... the practice of sabotage is straightforward ... what is going on in the head of local citizens and because such news from the Outskirts doesn’t warm the soul at all ...

[kil 31]

Quote: KIND

..there is UMZ and DMZ, and it has hurt since Soviet times, my mother was not grieving ... the third ten years, she’s still acting ... so it’s better to solve this problem quietly))) ... the practice of sabotage is straightforward ... what is going on in the head of local citizens and because such news from the Outskirts doesn’t warm the soul at all ...

Sabotage is already there. No need to jerk ordinary citizens. For them everything was decided by the Moscow Region. Why does Turchinov not know about this? Probably without him fucking.

Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine for European Integration Igor Dolgov supports the idea of ​​privatizing defense industry enterprises by companies from NATO member states. He stated this during an online conference for "European Truth".

[Alexey Boukin]

Quote: keel 31

Sabotage is already there. No need to jerk ordinary citizens. For them everything was decided by the Moscow Region. Why does Turchinov not know about this? Probably without him

Something tells me that our money went around neighbors.

[RUSS]

Quote: Alexey Bukin

Something tells me that our money went around neighbors.

Which ones? Our credit has already been plundered rather, so there isn’t much to go around there, the West and the USA give only the handouts.

[cniza]

Could these, with the permission of the leaders, say, organize some kind of business, let alone the production of missiles ... they can only dance a military hopak (but they have a base, as long as there are personnel).

[Nicholas C.]

Do you not know that:
1. Russia pumped liquidity Ukrainian subsidiaries of their banks in the amount of a large (total much more) notorious 3 billion dollars. without the prospect of returns.
2. LDNR enterprises still pay taxes to the budget of Ukraine. LDNR does not receive any pensions for pensioners from Ukraine, NOTHING.
3. and so forth. There is no time. Riddles, akin to the free supply of junta gas after the coup to the end of the second quarter in the amount of $ 5 billion. $ Under the words that they are not going to pay, is full. The Donbass genocide cost Ukraine cheaper.

[APASUS]

Quote: Nikolai S.

2. LDNR enterprises still pay taxes to the budget of Ukraine. LDNR does not receive any pensions for pensioners from Ukraine, NOTHING.

First you need to not be like the Censor, where does this infa come from?
Vladyka Sidh wrote the other day literally on the topic that all businessmen are re-registered to the tax service of the DPR and LPR, everyone who does not do this receives a new director and chief accountant from the authorities. He must be visible from Donetsk nevertheless!
and of course about the new rocket:
The famous Sapsan, the R&D stage on the rocket ended at the level of large-scale prototyping, and this was under Yanukovych. This is when Yuzhmash was still alive, when there were an order of magnitude less problems in the economy.
I do not believe!

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: APASUS

First you need to not be like the Censor, where does this infa come from?
Vladyka Sidh wrote the other day literally on the topic that all businessmen are re-registered to the tax service of the DPR and LPR, everyone who does not do this receives a new director and chief accountant from the authorities. He must be visible from Donetsk nevertheless!

On the first two points from Nicholas S. Yes - smacks of censornet. But with regard to gas supplies - "there_the_people_freeze" ... Something I don't remember that the fate of my and my family was especially interested in someone in the early 90s ... Whether we were freezing or not - not one with ... it was not interesting. And a very young military pensioner studied at the institute and worked at a construction site as an auxiliary. Because the pension, with all the allowances, ended as quickly as prices rose at a gallop - I had no time to bring it home. And no one said "there_she_people". Only thousands of those who were thrown out of the army by democracy, to which we gave half their lives, and some even health, gritted their teeth (not for the first time to go for a breakthrough!) And survived in spite of democracy. How they survived in the army before. We were disaccustomed to pity anyone, and even more so, "our smaller brothers."

They would like to continue to live like people - they would think about who fed and warmed them. And now let Bandera and Biden warm them up, these "people there."

[APASUS]

Quote: Nikolai S.

About taxes LDNR. Vasily Muravitsky: "Only from the territory of the DPR, enterprises paid 2015 billion hryvnia to the budget of Ukraine in 3,5". www.politnavigator.net/gosudarstvo-ukraina-unichtozheno-chto-proizoshlo-minuvshe

jj-nochyu.html

I looked and found only one source of this information, all links lead to:

Donetsk, August 4, 2015, 21:14 - REGNUM Donbass enterprises controlled by the DPR paid more taxes to the state budget of Ukraine than businesses located in the region controlled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The ex-mayor of Donetsk Alexander Lukyanchenko, who left office in the summer of 4, after strengthening the republican authorities in the city, said this in an interview with Glavcom on August 2014.

Details: http://regnum.ru/news/polit/1949150.html Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM IA.

And I would agree with your statement if this citizen posted this certificate on the net, but no! The prefix confuses his personality: ex-mayor To say that this is a reliable source of information means to confirm that every rumor is the truth !!!

[Apologet.Ru]

Something about pi.talk with a smart look. Another oral-oral Paramog of the Blood Pastor ...

[Asadullah]

so it’s better to solve this problem quietly

I am an ardent supporter of quiet problem solving. Only this is not a problem. Ukraine has been trading in air for all twenty years, inventing a threat and solving it at the expense of those whom it managed to scare. This is a country in which state consciousness is completely absent, with the exception of the digested remnants of fascism. Therefore, any sounding like this carries two possible components, the first, an empty phrase for local media use, the second, an appeal to the patrons - let us finish our formidable weapon with money, with which we will end separatism and put Russia in its place.

[Skifotavr]

Quote: KIND

..there is UMZ and DMZ, and it has hurt since Soviet times, my mother was not grieving ... the third ten years, she’s still acting ... so it’s better to solve this problem quietly))) ... the practice of sabotage is straightforward ... what is going on in the head of local citizens and because such news from the Outskirts doesn’t warm the soul at all ...

So then it is, but I doubt that things will go beyond pathos. Already very nenka-outskirts of the poor, and her khans are greedy

[Hyppopotut]

On Yuzhmash people do not receive salaries for half a year. So, they don’t show zeal in work ... Yes, and in Dnepropetrovsk, not all are for the Kiev junta ...

[lexxxus]

The picture is beautiful. The child has a similar machine.

And with the name they laughed - it’s plagiarism. There is already a Peregrine Falcon

[The black]

Interestingly, the great Ukrainian wall will fly?

[Denis Obukhov]

Quote: Black

Interestingly, the great Ukrainian wall will fly?

to launch this rocket you need to wait until the fuel in the form of pickles ferment well

[Fregate]

Under tight control, it is being developed, and under it it will die.

Interestingly, the great Ukrainian wall will fly?

Jump over. It will be a galloping rocket

[Sura]

More precisely, Ukrovundervaflya-2 (similar to FAU-2)

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: RUSS

Ukrovunderdvaflya

Most likely there will be another "Elusive JOE". The peregrine falcon, which has been developed since 2006 and has not seen the light of day, due to financial and personnel difficulties, the new project may have a similar fate. In the best case, for the public, the layout of the "overexerration" will be done and will stop there.

[Denis Obukhov]

Well, if you drew, then consider it done! It remains only to paint the picture, and - it will be cool! The coolest will be.

[79807420129]

Quote: RUSS

Ukrovunderdvaflya

Even if this ukrovunderdvaflya takes off, it will take 100 years and it will be a tremendous breakthrough, now Yuzhmash produces stove stoves, so maybe they will take off, but Yuzhmash has developed both Satan and Stiletto and much more, so download kakely, download.

[Maxom75]

Is Yuzhmash a developer? He is a manufacturer, and a developer of the Research Institute of Heat Engineering in Moscow. So in terms of development, Yuzhmash has no experience and that they won’t get there yet is not a fact that he will fly.

[Vohman]

Quote: Maxom75

in terms of development, Yuzhmash has no experience, and what they’re building there is not yet a fact that he will fly

Yuzhmash has no experience ?! Such a hearing and reading is super-strange!
Firstly, I am sending you to the site of Yuzhmash http://www.yuzhmash.com
Secondly, the legendary SS-18 "Satan" ballistic missiles are precisely Yuzhmashevskie (this is about experience)

Thirdly, missiles were fired from 1951 to 1990 (this is also about your "no experience")
Fourth, this enterprise and the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau have developed 12 (or 13) types of military missiles. There are also 7 types of civilian space rockets. And not only developed, but also made in metal.

Perhaps now the company is not doing well on the economic side, but at the expense of experience, you blurted out, most likely without thinking.

Well, at the expense of your doubts ("not the fact that it will fly") ... Well, you do not deny that "Satan" flies? And how it flies! So, I am sure that with such experience and scientific potential, the modification of the Sapsan (and the Korshun) should not look bad against the general background of modern developments and analogues. And given the fact that the enterprise was famous for its non-standard solutions and excellent quality of manufactured military products, this becomes more real than ever. And there will be no doubt about the quality (as in the first-class performance characteristics, which has always been confirmed by the manufactured products, you just have to ask).

By the way, the specialists of this design bureau in the Soviet times became the authors of 12 (13) of 20 Soviet missile developments. So to doubt is certainly good. But why write nonsense?

[Maxom75]

At the expense of nonsense, chickens are counted in the fall. To begin with, in your opinion, where are there so many rocket scientists in Krasnoyarsk and Izhevsk? Look how many people left Ukraine forever and moved to Russia. Developments that Yuzhmash is so deservedly proud of in the past, the times of the USSR are over, well, that's just for your information. In addition, any work at a machine-building enterprise does not tolerate a company, but needs to be systematic, how many years do a designer grow up? Well, if you don't know then 15 to 20 years after graduation. As far as I know, the latest development for the Ukrainian Armed Forces made by Yuzhmash turned out to be ineffective and extremely expensive. after the Maidan, the stream of qualified specialists from the Dnieper simply turned into a turbulent river, and the problem with personnel at Yuzhmash is now. A modern rocket will be more complicated than a trolleybus. Well, something like this.

[Vohman]

I wonder what you are talking about when you write "the latest development for the Ukrainian Armed Forces made by Yuzhmash turned out to be ineffective and extremely expensive". Why not immediately write down specifically what you mean? Or just words? As far as I know, nothing new has yet been proposed for the Armed Forces of Ukraine after the collapse of the Union in the field of air defense. All that was done was modernization, maintenance and thus extension. But it was both successful and effective (and economically profitable). And what kind of missile (NEW !!) do you mean? What kind of "beast"? Enlighten, please, if these are not just words.

Next, you write:

To begin with, where do you think there are so many rocket specialists in Krasnoyarsk and Izhevsk? Look how many left Ukraine forever and moved to Russia.

I don't know where there are "so many" (and how many? :) specialists in this area, but as far as I understand, GOOD specialists in this area can be counted on one hand (in general, in all countries in general).
And one more thing: even if you think that these are specialists from Ukraine, then it is respect to Ukraine that it has so many specialists that it is enough for Ukraine and Russia.
But the fact that refugee specialists are immediately taken directly to defense enterprises of Russia (I doubt that specialists are direct, but let it be your way), and even to enterprises in such a strategic area, it seems to me a myth. Tell me, can you personally give at least some evidence other than unconfirmed words? Please, please.

I'm not sure that such specialists from Ukraine will be immediately hired for defense enterprises in such a serious field. Are you talking about Constructors ?? :) Something I can't believe that the constructors are leaving in piles. You write yourself - a designer is a delicate and rare business. A good one is generally rare! Perhaps one of the skilled workers left. But still, Yuzhmash is not in the ATO zone, so it is not entirely plausible that SERIOUS specialists would leave to work for defense enterprises in Russia. What is the meaning for them in this? If a real specialist, then his place is in Europe, Israel, in the United States - and the conditions are much better (since you are worried about living conditions), and still there are "a little more" freedoms - and this is also very important. Well, the salary (if you are talking about it) is not quite comparable. So why should Real specialists go to Russia? This is not promising, and for a professional in such a specific area it would not be quite the right choice if Russia is not the Motherland and everything rests - as you suppose - on material benefits.

Of course, I could be wrong, but nevertheless the history says that it is SPECIALISTS who usually leave not for Russia (both from Russia and Ukraine), but to countries with more decent conditions in all respects. And except for native birches and from childhood to tears in the eyes of the familiar smell of manure, they have nothing to regret. Unfortunately, something like that.
Although our bread is really still much better and tastier than over the hill. "But that's a completely different story" :)

[Denis Obukhov]

In the words of Balsamin, mother, turn off the light, let me dream!

[Tusv]

Quote: RUSS

Ukrovunderdvaflya

Platform - nAgly decommissioned Samson. In vain bought chtoli? Cut down the roof, Push the Point-U and push us to shred us mosk (forbidden, for some reason) Russians. Yeah and yeah. Americans are afraid. But damn nada show off.

He lived in the world "Oh" and "Ah", and women just liked Ogogo

Here is the new New Year's toast: "Let's be OGOGO, and oh and oh, losers"

[Alez]

To launch a rocket, a Super Slider was developed, which will be pulled by 100 ukrovoins.

[Uran]

it would be better if they developed brains for themselves

[AdekvatNICK]

here you have the new korea only in europe. Give only the term and american dollars.

[Pak_c_TonopoM]

And now the loot has appeared, and we, we, and we will shut you all up ... A bunch in a puddle ...

[serg1970]

Well, if under the control of Turchinov, it makes no sense to fear. The rocket will never be designed and built.

[cap]

Quote: serg1970

Well, if under the control of Turchinov, it makes no sense to fear. The rocket will never be designed and built.

"Since Ukraine has joined the sanctions against the Russian Federation - economic, financial, we have decided to introduce protective measures in the form of a food embargo," he said.
The embargo will take effect on 1 on January 2016 of the year, on the day the association agreement between Ukraine and the EU takes effect.
At the same time, Minister of Economic Development and Trade of Ukraine Aivaras Abromavichus previously predicted that the Ukrainian economy would not suffer significant damage due to a possible embargo.

The development will certainly be brought to mind. Or they will cooperate with "partners" in the EU.
Can sell, guess who?

[Tersky]

Quote: cap

Well, if under the control of Turchinov, it makes no sense to fear. The rocket will never be designed and built.

Well yes, ... synonyms can be traced, senkin’s fence-Turchinov’s rocket ..

[izya top]

and haven’t laid back the chicken ass yet? sorry, sorry

[Same lech]

“However, in the 2013 year, the then Minister of Defense of Ukraine, Pavel Lebedev, stated that the Sapsan project was closed due to underfinancing and the lack of any result,” the newspaper writes.

Well, why again to fence the same garden now ... Baptist TURCHINOV and operational-tactical missile ... things are incompatible.

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

The word powerful lacks the front letter h!

[glasha3032]

Their former defense minister said well about the result .... Well, if there was no result before the Maidan, now it certainly will not be there — too much of everything you need is for the rocket — but, alas, there is no money ... And there is already help from Russia You will not get it...

[Uncle]

I wonder why Ukraine such a rocket? Against Russia? Oh well. Europe? Hardly. New Russia? Perhaps the most likely opponent.

[puppet]

just another cut
now all news from there are divided into 2 categories: "give money" and "cost justification"

[SAM 5]

it will be a full-cycle production, from rocket fuel to the warhead of the rocket, which will be the best standard of operational-tactical missiles in the world

Otag. Kahly ahead of the rest.

[Igor39]

And then they will cancel this one and in exchange will do even more powerful, in a couple of years, well done, on the right track!

[OlegV]

bye ..... what the hell is rocket ????

another bravado .... apparently for complacency.

all the "brains" that were either the Americans lured to themselves or even fled, there were only bawlers and mediocrities, just like the NSDC secretary himself

[gladcu2]

OlegV

What kind of brains? Are these from western Ukraine? Better B did not do this.

The worse people live, the more they start to think. So look and right thoughts will appear.

[kergudu straight]

The new development of the Super-Kizyak rocket, it works strictly on fuel "a bunch of yourself", to detonate the warhead it is necessary to get into a puddle, with such technologies I began to point out the "banderlogy", what else would come to their heads

[AdekvatNICK]

the maximum that Turchins can build is a rocket from a Coca-Cola bottle on a mentos

[Samen]

Poros and Turchinka gathered to intercede in NATu ... well, they decided, I suppose, that they would accept it faster with their rocket. Let it not be of the NATO model, but powerful! And the color "zhovto-blakitny" pleases the eye.

[RUSS]

There is news about a real project-Rogozin talked about working on a space dump truck
In Russia, work is underway to create a superheavy rocket, its creation has already been laid down in the new Federal Space Program (FKP) for 2016–2025. This was announced in an interview with Russia-24 TV channel by Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, reports on Wednesday, December 30.
According to Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, the new missile is intended for large expeditions and will become a kind of “dump truck” capable of delivering more than 100 tons of cargo. The Deputy Prime Minister said that Russia is starting to implement this project in the same way as the USSR: it was first created Zenit rocket, which was the first stage, and then, after building up the modules, the superheavy rocket Energia was created.

“Now we are creating it (an extra-heavy rocket - note“ Lenti.ru ”) on a completely new technological basis, and the new Federal Space Program has already laid down the creation of the Phoenix rocket, which will be the first step in creating an extra-heavy rocket (...) And this it’s already not 37 tons, like the Angara, not 25 tons like the Proton, and that’s already for 100 tons, and maybe 150 tons, ”he added.

At the end of November this year, it was reported that over 2025 trillion rubles would be allocated from the federal budget for the implementation of Roscosmos projects until 1,5. Later, information appeared that the programs necessary for the study and colonization of the moon were excluded from the PCF. This, according to media reports, led to significant savings of 88,5 billion rubles. In Roscosmos, these rumors were refuted.

[gladcu2]

RUSS

What is the point of these missiles? You can agree to a sufficient degree of modernization.

Eccentric wars are a priority now. This is when 2000 terrorists aimlessly shoot citizens, blow up houses and infrastructure, can destroy a city with a million population. The cost of the terrorists is not high compared to the cost of one Tamahawk missile. Which only carries 400 kg of explosives and is not strategic.

It was estimated that the U.S. Army suffered greater financial losses in Yugoslavia than received benefits from the operation.

Therefore, running abreks with small arms without bulletproof vests. Because this is enough to make destruction from Syria, as in Dresden after carpet bombing.

[RUSS]

Quote: gladcu2

What is the point of these missiles?

What rockets?

[INF]

And why am I so propelled at neighing? I saw this kind of news in the morning and a good mood all day.

[RUSS]

Quote: INF

And why am I so propelled at neighing? I saw this kind of news in the morning and a good mood all day.

Turchinov: Ukraine is developing a more powerful rocket than the one that was conceived under the Sapsan project
Rocket delivery vehicle.

[Vedroid 5.0]

Fau-2 was more.

[raid14]

Pathetic attempts of losers in the style of "yes we, yes me". Instead of dealing with their own economy, ending the war and fulfilling the Minsk agreements, they promise the people another "military breakthrough."

[RUSS]

Quote: raid14

Pathetic attempts of losers in the style of "yes we, yes me". Instead of dealing with their own economy, ending the war and fulfilling the Minsk agreements, they promise the people another "military breakthrough."

And there’s nothing more to promise .....

[raid14]

On the Maidan the junta promises to Svidomo was "a complete basket", but where are they now.
I remember that we will overthrow the "thieves' power", without visas for work in the EU, European pensions and salaries, we will defeat corruption, we will establish law and order.
The leaders of the ruins are still those storytellers, G.H. Anderson just nervously smokes on the sidelines.

[Cis-Urals]

What was the kid’s circle of missile modeling robbed of? With whom do they take it? Or did the pastor draw the drawings under the covers?

[RUSS]

Quote: Cis Ural

What was the kid’s circle of missile modeling robbed of? With whom do they take it? Or did the pastor draw the drawings under the covers?

And this is the "booster" for the new rocket.

[Cis-Urals]

Ride this boerboel then look for where this piece of g .... but fell.

[Vadim237]

In principle, in Ukraine they can make OTRK - they simply upgrade the Tochka U missile.

[NDR-791]

closed due to underfunding and lack of any result
Which of these is primary? At that time, extreme money was still circulating, but the result ...
it will be a full-cycle production, from rocket fuel to the warhead of a rocket
There is a small BUT between these two parameters !!! - control and accuracy. Even the "Points" which they had been doing in Donbass and even then they could not modernize - they fell as God laid it on their souls. New and for such budgets as now can only be in areas with the latest warhead from the "Chernobyl legacy". By the way, a year ago, such thoughts were extremely voiced in all seriousness.

[lukewarm]

Some of them have a Sapsan steam locomotive, and some have a rocket ... Some kind of everything is fine, judging by the drawing, everything is on the chassis of the "beloved KRAZ", the other really - where?

[NDR-791]

MAZ-79306 ("Astrologer") for "Iskander" Old Man sells only for money. And what about the ide? All karbovanets for the development of the latest gunpowder. They will charge with gunpowder and fly with fart steam. So import substitution is in action ...

[OlegV]

Quote: OlegV

all the "brains" that were or the Americans lured to themselves or even fled,

in continuation of the topic about "brains"
some people left for England ............... and solved the problem with the lack of mixers in London:

[Kibl]

Why there’s some kind of rocket, I’m still not waiting for dill to announce the creation of climate weapons, combat blasters, gravitsaps, rubber bombs and other crap! Oppenheimer, Kurchatov, Korolev spinning propellers in coffins!

[Leia Organa]

Ukrainians invent again

[The black]

Quote: Phantom Revolution

Most likely there will be another "Elusive JOE". The peregrine falcon, which has been developed since 2006 and has not seen the light of day, due to financial and personnel difficulties, the new project may have a similar fate. In the best case, for the public, the layout of the "overexerration" will be done and will stop there.

Exactly so. And the public will be pleasantly washed and some money will be washed, the wall is already eaten up apparently ..

[drags33]

An empty bucket always rings more ... So in b / u Ukraine - there are a lot of words, but absolutely no real deeds. Why did they, by the power of their impudent Ukrop thought, simply not "develop" - small arms, armored vehicles, missile systems ... And where are these "developments" ??? Reality is relentlessly showing that the former state of Ukraine is inevitably and catastrophically slipping into the Stone Age. The deindustrialization of the country is in full swing, and the top "leadership" looks more like "gimmicks" who fool the already zombified population.

[individual]

Hm! Peregrine Falcon.
From Wikipedia: "Peregrine falcon flight speed is 300-320 km / h".
With such speed, Turchinov with his gop company can only get to the people's court in the Donbass!

[Gray 43]

Does faith allow Turchinov to do such things? I never thought that tires could become rocket fuel))) and if "under the strict control of the NSDC," then you can be calm about the project - the people there will not be exchanged for trifles)))

[Proud.]

"... the best standard of tactical missiles in the world ..."- Damn ... I weep ... - The oldest Ukrainian civilization in the world (the ancestor of all existing ones). The most proud are NOT slaves on the planet. The most guardian guardians. The most jumping jumpers. The most government government. The most powerful armed forces. The most greasy fat. The most combustible vodka. The most dilly dill ...

[Shuttle]

Well, here again (http://topwar.ru/87525-broneavtomobil-varta-dlya-ukrainskih-silovikov.html#comm

ent-id-5329330)

For what kind of audience should you read to give out such pearls about a seemingly top-secret rocket? They have not designed the old one yet, but have already conceived a new one.

When you read the story of the "creation" of Sapsan, you immediately realize that Turchinov has very little imagination. The topic of sawing the dough on this Sapsan was still invented by Yushchenko. Yanukovych also profited. The Pastor clearly lacks ideas. He came up with the same cut, but under a new name.

[Cobra77]

For example, I am very glad that Ukraine will continue to build and invest in such projects. The more time and money they spend on this, the less it will be for the war in Donbass. And the sooner the population realizes the full depth of the "reversal". We need to give them the idea of ​​cold fusion and the program ala SOI.

[Maxom75]

The main thing is to specify which SDI, otherwise these descendants of Bandera will plant all the gardens in it.))

[gelezo47]

Interesting! So in 2013, Ukraine had no money to create rockets, and now they have appeared. And where did Mr. Turchinov take them !?
Dreamer!!!...

[staryivoin]

You can add the letter "p" to the name and rearrange the letters - "PRASSAN". And it will be the very thing ...

[Shadowcat]

The leader of the Indian tribe gathered in the jungle:
- INDIANS !!! Are we a great people?
- DAAAAAA!
“Then why don't we have a nuclear missile?”
- Well ... Let's build.
They cut down the healthiest sequoia, hollowed out the core with axes, prepared gunpowder according to old Spanish recipes, hammered it, nailed the cork, brought a huge rope into the wick.
- Where will we launch it?
- Let's go to Yerevan!
- And why to Yerevan?
- I don’t know others ...
They wrote "To Yerevan" on a rocket, piled up the whole tribe, set fire to the rope-fuse ... HOW * BANET! ... In short, the local Armageddon: smoke, fumes, everyone is lying around ... The leader without a leg, without an arm, looks around:
- Wow ... I can imagine what is happening in Yerevan ...

[Flat5160]

What weapons developments, they already burned all tires, not enough for mooring. Where are there before the rockets, tell me.

[RUSS]

Quote: Plat5160

What weapons developments, they already burned all tires, not enough for mooring. Where are there before the rockets, tell me.

Previously, billboards were hung out, and Ukrainians were mattresses.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Plat5160

Already burnt all the tires, not enough for mooring.

Not true. It’s their day of drying the mattresses, and the watchman is watching so that the homeless people don’t steal, and are not taken to the ATO zone, to the soldiers. They have nothing to sleep on.

[prohtank]

it’s good to mock at the great and sooo ancient people they all get fat dropped

[colonel manuch]

The rocket still needs to be made, tested, set up production! The pastor wants to wishful thinking. But the news that high-tech enterprises of the military-industrial complex can come under the control of owners from NATO countries is somehow alarming, because they can, after all, have some kind of development in a high stage (degree) of readiness to transfer khokhlov for production. Yes, and to destroy factories, if necessary, if they do not belong to "independent" will become much more difficult.

[Platonich]

Why are you mocking at our brothers, sinning over the Syrians ...

[chelovektapok]

Well, yes .... they will develop ... and they will become a world power ..... It's like a boast of a visitor to porn sites that he had the most famous and sculpted chicks with his left hand and right. And it will have, do not hesitate. If only elders will give money on the Internet ....

[uragan114]

Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine for European Integration Igor Dolgov supports the idea of ​​privatizing defense industry enterprises by companies from NATO member states. He stated this during an online conference for the "European Truth". С (С)

And does the military say that? Deputy Minister of Defense ??

[tomcat117]

Another snotty hoh.lyatskaya "waffle" of the full cycle, Adolf "giggles" in hell.

[afrikanez]

[quote] The Sapsan project was closed due to underfunding and lack of any result [/ quote /] Another dream of the "dill" and it seems. which is unrealizable, if "Sapsan" was closed for lack of results.

[awg75]

very similar to a car with "V-2" .... and you can immediately see that "made in Ukropia"

[tuts]

Just wanted to write: Fau-2 on a new chassis (Damn the Nazis)

[lopvlad]

"Our designers are working out an operational-tactical missile, which exceeds the performance of the project, which at one time was called" Sapsan "

you can develop anything in your head and even make a conceptual design (draw an approximate view of your imagination on paper), but the reality is a completely different matter. First you need to have real experience in developing OTRK and at least minimal technical groundwork in this direction.
This has never happened in Ukraine. It takes about 5-10 years to build something "from scratch" and then with full funding.

[Vohman]

The article is short. But there is a lot of information about Peregrine Falcon, and about Korshun, but not in the article :(
In fact, no one completely turned off the development. The company worked in this direction and carried out (from open sources) an order in development for a foreign customer.
I don't think that an enterprise with vast experience in development (I refer those interested to my comment above (you can find it by nickname)) will not be able to implement the already worked out project itself. And the improvements to the old Sapsan project are natural and evolutionary.

I just don't understand the attitude of the commentators on the article: we are all on a site called Military Review. And since the article was written about weapons, I would like to see at least the attitude towards the performance characteristics of the Sapsan, comments about the missile developments of Yuzhmash ... at least something remotely reminiscent of an analysis of the situation and this weapon, for example, in comparison with any other similar class complex, etc. Why all this flood? After all, in practice, I found one comment in which a couple of lines were given to common reasoning:

CHILD EN 15:06
..there YuMZ and DMZ, and hurt since Soviet times, my mother was not grieving ... the third ten years, still valid ...)

Or does the thought stop at other than "wunderwaffle" and the like? Then we read the rules.

The article is weak, of course. Unfortunately, there is nothing to read in the comments. But the topic is interesting!

[Lexa-149]

And they bought a scale model of the newest OTR in Detsky Mir, and made the drawings from it.

[Termit1309]

Quote: Vohman

I don't think that an enterprise with vast experience in development (I refer those interested to my comment above (you can find it by nickname)) will not be able to implement the already worked out project itself. And the improvements to the old Sapsan project are natural and evolutionary.

In the absence of funding, trying to survive on intermittent orders mostly off-profile?
Without experienced workers, did the old ones corny die of old age, did the younger run away?
With broken cooperation with other enterprises of this profile?
No, he can not. There are almost no exceptions. It passed all in 90-2000 years. Both Russia and Ukraine.

[Vohman]

Quote: Termit1309

..With disrupted cooperation with other enterprises of this profile? No, he can not. There are almost no exceptions. It passed all in 90-2000 years. Both Russia and Ukraine.

Mr. Turchinov spoke about creating a full production cycle "from rocket fuel to the missile warhead." Judging by his words about this cycle, he understands that this cooperation is needed, and most likely it is these mechanisms that are being debugged.

In general, the devil is not so terrible as he is painted (it's me about the possibilities to establish full production). This is only a matter of proper organization. Everything else is fully available and feasible.
Wait and see.

[Felix2]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

Well, if you drew, then consider it done! It remains only to paint the picture, and - it will be cool! The coolest will be.

[Old26]

Quote: Maxom75

Is Yuzhmash a developer? He is a manufacturer, and a developer of the Research Institute of Heat Engineering in Moscow. So in terms of development, Yuzhmash has no experience and that they won’t get there yet is not a fact that he will fly.

When they remember Yuzhmash, they mean not only the Yuzhny Machine-Building Plant, but also the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau - all instead of the Yuzhnoye NPO; in conversation they usually say Yuzhmash.
Development experience at Yuzhmash GIANT. At least 29 modifications of Yuzhmash missiles are known, of which at least 14 were in the series.

Quote: lexxxus

And with the name they laughed - it’s plagiarism. There is already a Peregrine Falcon

By the way, I didn’t find anywhere in the text that the new project will be called “Sapsan”. Why plagiarism?

Quote: Sura

More precisely, Ukrovundervaflya-2 (similar to FAU-2)

On the V-2?? Oh well. Why is it interesting that it has a body and stabilizers? Thus, the V-2 became the progenitor of many missiles in both the USA and the USSR. We can say that it became the forerunner of all existing missiles...

Quote: Maxom75

Regarding nonsense, chickens are counted in the fall. To begin with, where do you think there are so many specialists in rocket science in Krasnoyarsk and Izhevsk? Look

Okay, one could understand the mention of Krasnoyarsk, although rockets have been made there since the same times as at Yuzhmash... Well, what are they doing in Izhevsk, can you please enlighten me?

Quote: Uncle

I wonder why Ukraine such a rocket? Against Russia? Oh well. Europe? Hardly. New Russia? Perhaps the most likely opponent.

The question, I apologize, is quite stupid. Or do you think that they can exploit Tochka-U indefinitely? Replacement will be required sooner or later. Moreover, the performance characteristics of Ukrainian missiles are such that they can be sold, they do not contradict the MTCR.

Quote: awg75

very similar to a car with "V-2" .... and you can immediately see that "made in Ukropia"

Stupid statement.

Quote: lopvlad

make a preliminary design (draw an approximate view of the fantasy on paper)

Actually, a preliminary design is not a fantasy drawn on paper. It turns out that having completed the Sarmat EP, we are ready to begin testing it, while at Yuzhmash these are just fantasy drawings on paper?

Of course, advertising for such developments sometimes goes off scale, not without this. But our manufacturers also often have any development that “has no analogues in the world.” Although sometimes you smile when you read that, for example, “Korshun-2” can rise to a height of 50 km and fly at an ultra-low altitude, starting from 0 meters

[RaydenMIX]

one might think that OPP would allocate scarce resources to dubious developments