US Marines have abandoned the unreliable and too noisy robot mule

The command of the US Marine Corps refused to further development and testing Robot-mule, created to carry goods in the field, transmits Lenta.ru report resource message military.com.

Among the noted flaws of the "mule", developed by Boston Dynamics, are low reliability and excessive noise.

"The robot prototype was tested in the summer of 2014 during the RIMPAC-2014 exercise, during which a number of problems were identified, including high noise of the gasoline engine, difficulty of repair in case of damage, and a number of other factors that prevented the use of the device as part of the standard marines patrol "- writes resource.

At the same time, the company continues to develop another “pack animal”, smaller in size and not as noisy as the “mule” (in it the gasoline engine is replaced with an electric one).

“At the same time, the weight of the load of this robot is only 40 pounds (18 kilograms) against more than 180 kilograms of the“ robot mule ”. According to the military, the smaller LS3 can be used as a reconnaissance vehicle, but for this, the robot must become autonomous, whereas at present it needs constant external control, ”the publication notes.

The company Boston Dynamic with 2013 g is owned by Google, the robot mule in it was developed with 2006 g.

Comments

[venaya]

the robot must become autonomous, while at present it needs constant external control

If the robot is not autonomous then it is not a robot at all, here they are confused with concepts.

[Temples]

Judging by the photo, you can disable it with a little thing.

[Vend]

And how much dough fell into this stuffed animal

[Teberii]

The older the children, the more expensive the toys.

[Blondy]

Quote: Teberii

The older the children, the more expensive the toys.

Yes, and how Kuzhuketich lost his temper. It will be remembered that even a contest was announced. There will be a circus if ours succeeds.

In principle, the phenomenon is not even new. Let us recall, for example, the CIA shooter pens of the 50s of the last century, or the KGB shooter umbrella (it seems that Bandera was banged from this).

[dauria]

And how much dough fell into this stuffed animal

So what? Developments remained and will be useful further. At first, both the plane and the pilots were on a par with clowns and circus performers. what about "If the robot is not autonomous then it is not a robot at all,"- this is how the rider controls the horse, and the platoon soldier

The question is what he managed to make autonomous and what didn't. If this thing keeps balance, sees obstacles and can overcome them on its own? These are already "reflexes", and there it is not far from Einstein's intellect ...
And maybe, well, him, this intelligence? And then he will also say such a "donkey" - "you need, you go and die yourself, and I'll sit here"

[Mainbeam]

Quote: dauria

Operating time remained and will be useful further

I agree. Let the "loot saw". We do not saw - well, that's good. And the developments will remain. Erroneous or not, the Yankos' innovative work continues.

[gladcu2]

Temples

With a little flicker you can disable anything. If one person did, then another can always break.

This robot is a mule, an interesting concept. Sooner or later will receive a successful incarnation.

[KG_patriot_last]

Autonomous is a robot that follows the human leader in its wake. Personally, I liked him. Lifting capacity and patency seem to be normal.

[glasha3032]

Why does he go bent? afraid of shelling?

[corporal]

Quote: glasha3032

Why does he go bent?

The most stable position. It was established by Japanese robotics in the 70-80s, when they began experiments with walking prototypes.
Now in all developments, the mechanisms walk "on bent" ones.

[Alexdark]

Well, ours is also called robots. From drones to ..
They are also not autonomous, and they will not be such for a long time. Nevertheless, the robot can be both autonomous and controllable. From this, he does not cease to be a robot.

[VNP1958PVN]

And then what if the monkeys do not refuse the president? And noisy and unreliable and chewing all the time?

[atamankko]

We must also abandon the unreliable and noisy US policy and everyone will be fine.

[ilija93]

Yeah, it’s known that a mule cannot breed, you need a horse and donkeys.

[yuriy55]

Yeah !!! Abandoned both options ...

Option 1: All the time, the power cable wound on its feet ...

Option 2: Those who inside all the time asked to drink ...

[Road runer]

Man domesticated the horse several thousand years ago, until the middle of the 20th century it was actively "used" in all military conflicts. Why invent a robot mule and spend millions on it when you can just go back to basics using horses ?! Moreover, its "carrying capacity, noise and permeability" will be about the same as it was supposed for this mule. There that in America they did not come up with a better way to cut a budget?))

[KG_patriot_last]

If the noise is removed, then this is an ideal mule for troops. Unlike a live horse, he will not give you neighing for a kilometer in the parking lot, he will clearly follow your heels without a rope, he will lie down where you are lying, he will run where you are running. The benefits are many. And if you didn’t know the horses get tired too, and the robot will cut while there is gasoline.

Especially in the snowy / rocky mountains an interesting car would be. On the plains, a wheeled conveyor is better.

[glasha3032]

You are right about gasoline .... Now even in our country the steam locomotives canned, there is no hope for diesel locomotives.

[your1970]

1) A horse can eat grass, and this thunderbolt is only gasoline, which someone must also drag.
2) A minimally trained horse can do everything that you named (it will clearly follow your heels without a rope, go to where you are lying, run where you are running)
3) the robot will cut exactly until the operator gets tired, no more ..
4) Mountains ... Stability is a good thing — only a horse has a brain and walking skill honed by millennia, so who is more stable is not even discussed
5) mass - a separate conveyor is not needed, only a little time. Although it is debatable here ..
6) in case of damage - you can only throw the pepelats - you can eat a horse (and one will be enough for a sufficiently large number of soldiers)
7) The main thing is COST !!!! A horse (not thoroughbred) now costs about 50 000 rubles (700 bucks !!!) - the pepelats will obviously pull tens, or even hundreds of thousands of bucks ...

Conclusion, let them further develop / fuss, and we will see / evaluate / think, and then we'll see ....

[gladcu2]

Road Runner

Equine infrastructure is needed to care for horses. Which in the modern army is not. For robots, nothing needs to be changed.

[Dezinto]

It makes a noise like it looks - a little eerie.

[Jozhkin Cat]

Estimate you’re keeping yourself a secret, and such a damn thing is rushing at you ... you can abasrat without getting up

[416D]

"Think you are standing in secret, and such crap is rushing at you ... Abasratsa can be without getting up"

The "tablet" from the RPG will not give an abasr. Good remedy for robots))

[gladcu2]

Jozhkin Cat

Therefore, the translator of fire on AK, automatic, is done with the first click, so that when the absolute, shoot only single. :)

[KG_patriot_last]

This is another development - a robot dog (leg difference), not a robot mule

[Rumata]

Quote: DEZINTO

It makes a noise like it looks - a little eerie.

It's not him...

[izya top]

sawing wow, how to saw

[lis-ik]

Yes, they don’t saw in this case, the thing is cool, I was especially impressed with how it balances, and even without knowing it, you can really get scared when you meet in the forest.

[Altona]

Quote: lis-ik

Yes, they don’t saw in this case, the thing is cool, I was especially impressed with how it balances, and even without knowing it, you can really get scared when you meet in the forest.

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I was also surprised by the ability of this mechanical mule to group correctly and know where to throw legs in case of loss of balance. In principle, his motor skills are quite at a level if only to replace the engine with a more compact and powerful one. You can also attach paws for self-loading, so that the bag itself will shoulder. In general, programmers and biomechanics did their job efficiently, motorists certainly let us down, the drive was useless.

[34 region]

The main thing is working. He didn’t go into the army, they’ll attach to civilian life. Computer games were also toys. Today they have become simulators.

[gladcu2]

Altona

I was surprised that you were surprised. These mules are already about 10 years old on YouTube.

[gladcu2]

General Speaker, in Boston do.

Look at the last video, he congratulated everyone on the New Year. The four mules were harnessed to a sled and the pretty snow maiden was put there.

[Altona]

Quote: gladcu2

I was surprised that you were surprised. These mules are already about 10 years old on YouTube.

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I do not follow the creativity of biomechanics as closely as you do, and secondly, I have only observed straightforward walking, maybe 5 years. I perceived it simply as an experiment with biomechanics, because I saw in print all sorts of wheeled transporters-drones and exoskeletons in the equipment of the ILC and the US Army. Now I've watched Star Wars again, from a different angle, let's say, engineering. Much does not seem so unattainable in the near future as fiction. And machines walking on the battlefield, and blasters, and lightsabers, and space cruisers. Maybe it's just that while there are no technological capabilities to implement many things. Like this mule, while it is technologically imperfect. It will receive economical and compact linear ELECTRIC motors, new high-capacity batteries, instead of internal combustion engines, a lot of things, and will be finalized. Including metal parts will be replaced or reworked into something else. There is a general resource for modernization.

[VOLOD]

the level of star wars can be realized only by an economy of a planetary scale, he cannot afford one country on Mother Earth. and to the mullah. Yes, it’s not bad, but it’s not easier to cut the exoskeleton and hang the same 180 kg on it. And everything is at hand and don’t drag this thing.

[Jozhkin Cat]

There is a great alternative))) KAMAZ and URAL

[Altona]

Quote: Yozhkin Cat

There is a great alternative))) KAMAZ and URAL

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Not KAMAZ and the Urals, but simply large-diameter wheels with low-pressure tires as on any all-terrain vehicle. Or dirt wheels with hooks for viscous or loose soils.

[voyaka uh]

It is a pity that this amazing development will not be used.
I think civilians will apply it faster.
For the first time it was possible to simulate and implement in all, all the details
in iron, the natural movement of tetrapods.
Stable and accurate.

[Vladimyrych]

By the way, I also like the idea. So far, of course, it’s not quite right, but the IMHO direction is right.

[voyaka uh]

Right. If you notice in wildlife
no wheel. So, in the process of evolution, this concept
failed as effective.
Legs are more effective in cross and sharpness.
change of direction. In the future, most likely
the most advanced mechanisms will become limbs like
animals or insects, not on wheels.

[Albert1988]

Quote: voyaka uh

Right. If you notice in wildlife
no wheel.

Firstly, there is something similar - many animals (vertebrates - lizards, invertebrates - some caterpillars and millipedes) are able to slide into a roll and roll from an inclined surface.
As for the movement through legs or stilts, there are already problems with our modern technologies - servos and hydraulics are too energy-consuming and inefficient - artificial muscles must be invented and then voila - many walking structures can be built.
And by the way - the most energy-efficient stilted mover is the spider's paws - in terms of speed and patency - the spider robot will run fast and move around almost any terrain and soil.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: voyaka uh

It is a pity that this amazing development will not be used.
I think civilians will apply it faster.
For the first time it was possible to simulate and implement in all, all the details
in iron, the natural movement of tetrapods.
Stable and accurate.

Yes, there is no problem in imitating the natural movement of the four-legged. You take a horse or a bull, you attach motion capture sensors to 4 legs (they have long been used in creating video games, when actors fight their movements and then they model the character’s model in the game), then download the data to a similar device and the computer moves the legs of the robot -four same.

[voyaka uh]

It seems simple. Sensors on animals Bostonians set
and read the dynamics. But translating this into software is not so trivial.
The fact is that sometimes, as it were, the brain controls the foot, and sometimes the foot controls the brain.
Constant feedbacks.
Those. the software there is self-learning, very advanced. Not to mention
about sensors, mechanics, etc. Legs - they rule!

In general, Gerberg Wells was right: if we are attacked a la Martians, then
they will have a type of tachanka on spider legs. And if they roll the wheels
or caterpillar tanks, it’s not super-aliens - but ... space
scumbags.

[Corsair]

Quote: voyaka uh

In general, Gerberg Wells was right: if we are attacked a la Martians, then
they will have a type of tachanka on spider legs. And if they roll the wheels
or caterpillar tanks, it’s not super-aliens - but ... space
scumbags.

Any two-legged, four-legged creature is easily removed from a stable position by damaging one leg. Steps and running is a constant fall and catching stability - the principle of walking / running implies this, in contrast to multi-wheeled vehicles. There are enough robots with imitation of the movement of a cockroach spider, but with all its apparent patency and effectiveness of such a solution, the speed of movement of such units is extremely low, and the drives and mechanisms for transmitting power to the limbs are cumbersome.

[voyaka uh]

"and the drives and mechanisms for transmitting power forces to the limbs are cumbersome." ///

Albert1988 answered your doubts.
The development is already artificial muscles. Based on all
nano-films, nano-tubes, liquids with injection of other liquids into them
(effect of the injection of hormones into the blood). When they
will replace conventional hydraulics and hinges, robots will become more
"nature-like" and their movement - more efficient.

"Any two-legged - four-legged creature is easily brought out of a stable position by damaging one leg" ///

Fair! Therefore, in insects and spiders, in which the longest path of evolution is 6 or 8 legs.

[Rumata]

Quote: voyaka uh

Fair! Therefore, in insects and spiders, in which the longest path of evolution is 6 or 8 legs.

I will correct it. Many of them practically do not change for hundreds of thousands of years, as they are ideally adapted to their economy, which in principle confirms what you wrote ..

[Albert1988]

Quote: voyaka uh

Fair! Therefore, in insects and spiders, in which the longest path of evolution is 6 or 8 legs.

In principle, spiders have such a number of legs due to the fact that they can lose a couple during their lives, and the remaining ones should compensate for the loss. Therefore, the higher arthropods and such a number of limbs. Well, for the sake of justice, here it is necessary to take into account some element of chance in evolution - 6 and 8 limbs in them are also due to the fact that the ancestral forms of the limbs had well, a lot - up to 100 pairs! Therefore, during their evolution, the number of limbs, on the contrary, decreased to a certain amount, more or less optimal, according to various criteria.
Theoretically, if you create a car with a mover in the form of spider legs, then you can completely manage with 4 limbs - with this structure of the legs themselves and their fastening as close to each other and almost in the center of the machine (as close to the center of gravity as possible), in principle mobility and loss of the 1st leg.
Well and, of course, I did not notice the main advantage of the mover in terms of spider legs - this is almost absolute maneuverability: a spider can easily move in all directions without turning the body, and a machine (which will be much more perfect) can do it even easier and without loss speed.

[Humpty]

The donkey with the pedals did not pass the test. Interesting, but what is cheaper cattle in this case worse than a robot. All this reminds the development of a ballpoint pen for space, the pencil is not high-tech.

[Conductor]

An "American" pen is needed for space, this confirms that they were bought by the Soviet side, contrary to the widespread myth of using pencils. The fact is that when writing with a pencil, the smallest particles of the lead are released into the air, which can do a lot of trouble to the equipment

[Pereira]

There is a cheaper alternative, time-tested.

[Back in USSR]

Well, that's great.

[chunga-changa]

In my opinion it’s easier to make a GMO horse without a head and with a bulletproof skin. Where are these cinema-savvy scholars when they are so needed.)

[inpu]

Quote: chunga-changa

In my opinion it’s easier to make a GMO horse without a head and with a bulletproof skin. Where are these cinema-savvy scholars when they are so needed.)

And replace the marines with them

[Riv]

Another reason was not indicated: when meeting with shy living creatures in the companies of the Marine Corps, diapers consumption sharply increased.

[afrikanez]

In general, it is very interesting how the Marines with such a "cuttlefish" were going to perform the most difficult tasks? In my opinion, this is tantamount to: how to come to the war zone by taxi.

[Rumata]

Quote: afrikanez

In general, it is very interesting how the Marines with such a "cuttlefish" were going to perform the most difficult tasks? In my opinion, this is tantamount to: how to come to the war zone by taxi.

They refused. It's not the marines who come up with a mule for themselves, this is an independent company trying to find potential buyers.

[triglav]

This thing only scare children.

[let's say]

How? We will not see any more videos where this "mule" is kicked ???

[gameover_65]

Yes, for a long time it became clear to everyone why all these miracles are produced and invented.
USSR did not, with brains tight, that’s where they launch programs that initiate the work of brains in Russia.
get it from them - we’re streaming, we won’t buy it, it doesn’t work out we will outbid the developers.
full of examples: Comanche, the lack of new combat helicopters, the refusal to further upgrade the Abrams, Merkava and leopard and the transition to new models, f-35, raptor, new submarines, self-propelled artillery, and so much more! look what we will do !! and all!

[tolmachiev51]

The USSR sold from 2.0-2.5 thousand patents for inventions !!! , and how much they stole ??? It’s even worse now, just selling for a pittance.

[Rumata]

Quote: gameover_65

USSR did not, with brains tight, that’s where they launch programs that initiate the work of brains in Russia.

What nonsense? Not funny yourself? What is the progress in the civilian sphere over 30 years, all the achievements of the USSR? Circus

[private person]

Let the Ukrainians be sold.

[Kapralwdw]

It was developed since 2006? Oh nice guys drank dough!

[Rumata]

Quote: Kapralwdw

It was developed since 2006? Oh nice guys drank dough!

These are technological developments, as with UAVs, and in 10 years you will write "why our authorities did not start financing back then, now there is a lag of n-ts years." Some comments about cutting, but the gap is already 20 years ...

If they saw grandmothers, then their own, the share of state. funding there is not so high.

[tolmachiev51]

The development itself is worthy of attention, the rest is a matter of technology. !!!!

[KG_patriot_last]

It’s a mistake of the developers that they didn’t even try to turn off the engine at least at the car level.

Download mortars / machine guns / provisions / tents / fuel
and cut forward. And you do not need to do anything except pour gasoline - it is behind you like glued.

[pvv113]

Indeed, the sound of the robot unmasks

[soroKING]

Quote: DEZINTO

It makes a noise like it looks - a little eerie.

like a dung fly buzzing in a box

[AlexAl]

(in it the gas engine is replaced by an electric one)

Now the electric motor rotates the electric generator taking energy from the electric accumulator, thereby supplying the mule with electric energy and recharging the electric accumulator - the Lord’s perpetual motion machine!
The cycle of electric energy mule in nature !!!

[Bulrumeb]

let them give it to Obama as an official means of transportation. To go to the summit of the big seven on this donkey

[naGua]

I don’t quite understand the rather stupid fun of some comrades. The development of this machine is a new milestone in the development of science and technology. Remember what were the first cars, airplanes, tanks, etc. etc .. Then, too, had fun, and nodded over the locomotive draft, not looking into the future. And then what money they invest in robotics, envy takes. Yes, we have a breakthrough of talented people, but you can’t assemble such a machine on your knee. Need funding. And our RosNano, headed by a red line, is only capable of corporate parties, New Year's prizes and cuts. That's where they succeeded! As for the presented model, at the moment it simply amazes with the coordination of movement, the operation of the drives, the balance system, and orientation. Put another engine, more powerful and economical - and not a new weapon, the vehicle that passes there, not a single wheeled vehicle can pass. Anyway, as you think how many such equipment has the potential in the future, it’s breathtaking. And yet, this is only so far such mechanisms have a ridiculous and absurd appearance. But just for now ...

[theadenter]

Technically, these robots are very advanced. They can go almost everywhere. Good balance.
It is logical that they refused this robot: Expensive, difficult to repair, poorly protected, and specialists are needed for their maintenance and management.

[416D]

"It is logical that this robot was abandoned:"

Or maybe they didn’t refuse at all, they just let dust in their eyes, and they themselves will refine it quietly. A lot of useful things can be installed on it, including weapons.

This robot is any step forward in the development of robotics

[416D]

By the way, Putin showed secret types of weapons a couple of months ago. He then said that what he saw was similar to the plots of science fiction films.
Interestingly, there were similar robots at the show?

[glasha3032]

Put a more powerful engine, tracks, book and get a wedge-la a la the beginning of the 30s, a carrier of T-27 shells.

[Dimon19661]

I don’t understand what’s funny in this development. It will take some time and it will be brought up, and once again we will buy Chinese clones (

[Raskolnik]

Quote: KG_patriot_last

And if you didn’t know the horses get tired too, and the robot will cut while there is gasoline.

Especially in the snowy / rocky mountains an interesting car would be. On the plains, a wheeled conveyor is better.

The key word is gasoline. Without it, it's just a huge and very expensive pile of iron. And horses they can eat pasture.

[INF]

The mule is then without a tower however. Bad mule.

[Leia Organa]

I read for a long time about this mule, nonsense !! Noisy, clumsy, at most that he can carry a box with cartridges no more!

[wicked pinnochio]

Yes, they squandered money immeasurably, compared to take off, they still go to nurseries

[Rumata]

Quote: Angry Pinnochio

Yes, they squandered money immeasurably, compared to take off, they still go to nurseries

Rowed from? From google?

[Rumata]

All in a bunch. Boston Dynamics has several projects and this mule was not when it was not the most promising. Everything is built on BigDog, and progress is on the face. It makes less noise, smarter, works longer. The mule is the LS3, its larger version, which has always been noisy like a steam locomotive. Boston Dynamics correctly does what it seeks financing, the Marines correctly do what they return for revision. By the way, there is an even smaller version, which by the way is completely autonomous


At MIT, they also step on their heels, I like this iron horse

[Svetovod]

Eh ..
.. in a couple of decades we will remember this time as a bright and joyful before the "matrix" era of people without any androids and other cyborgs fighting for their synthetic rights.
Whoever works for us will soon live for us.

[Rumata]

Quote: Svetovod

Eh ..
.. in a couple of decades we will remember this time as a bright and joyful before the "matrix" era of people without any androids and other cyborgs fighting for their synthetic rights.
Whoever works for us will soon live for us.

Or for each person there will be 5 robots that will work on farms, in mines, sweep the streets, all 24 hours a day, with a penny cost of an hour of work. All people will receive high benefits, and work will be voluntary =)))))

[Saratoga833]

The job is not only the ability to swing a sledgehammer or turn a crowbar. A person has reached the top of the food chain not because of muscles, but by the development of the brain! Leave the person without any external protection in the wild and alone - he will soon be eaten by animals. And only thanks to the brain did man become the most dangerous predator.

[Rumata]

What does this have to do with my comment? You cannot replace a scientist with a robot, just like an engineer.

[gcn]

An interesting thing, but why the Marine Corps. We noticed that a lot of experimental innovations are coming to them by the first strike troops (I mean massive landings from the sea and from the air of infantry units)

[Saratoga833]

Not very long ago, many members of the forum scoffed at D3 printers, they say it is a very expensive toy that has no prospects. Life has shown that this is a breakthrough technology and now few people laugh at these printers. The technique is developing and improving. So it is here. Many scoff at the "huge and expensive pile of iron". Believe that after a while they will be far from laughing when now a clumsy pile of iron will turn into a real and in many respects irreplaceable robot not only in civil engineering, but also in military affairs!

[Tiheros]

with another engine, you can easily go to Mars and the moon and to any other planet.