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Poland started repairing Bulgarian MiGs

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Poland has launched an agreement on the repair of the Bulgarian MiG-29, reports Look with reference to the Ministry of Defense of Bulgaria.




“In accordance with the previously signed agreement, two engines for MiG-29 aircraft, the property of the Polish Air Force, were delivered to the Graf-Ignatievo airbase. Installation of engines on the Bulgarian MiG-29 will be carried out by experts of the air base. The term of use of the Polish Air Force engines is 24 of the month, or 200 flight hours ",
says release.

Today, the "native" MiG engines must be sent for repairs to Poland.

Recall that the Bulgarian government, contrary to previously reached agreements, refused the services of the MiG corporation, citing excessively high rates for servicing aircraft. The parliament supported the government and approved the conclusion of an “intergovernmental agreement with Poland on the repair and modernization of six Russian-made MiG-29 fighters”.

Experts regard this step of Sofia as a desire to squeeze Russia out of the repair market of Soviet equipment.
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  1. prabiz
    prabiz 30 December 2015 09: 38
    20
    Repair in Poland and you will have fewer MIGs! fool
    1. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 30 December 2015 09: 50
      +1
      After the repair by the Poles of the Moments, they will most likely only crawl but not how not to fly!
      1. crazyrom
        crazyrom 12 January 2016 03: 04
        0
        It is not clear why there are so many drawbacks to the article, because the news is good. The MiG didn’t receive much money on this anyway, and it’s not clear who will repair the planes, and they will start to work poorly, maybe even one another will fall, and everyone will have an example of where it’s not necessary to repair the planes. After that, everything will be repaired only by us. Well, these can then crawl to us on our knees, for a triple price.
    2. little girl15
      little girl15 30 December 2015 09: 50
      +2
      And the Bulgarian MiGs covered themselves with "hair".
    3. Sirocco
      Sirocco 30 December 2015 09: 56
      +7
      Quote: prabiz
      Repair in Poland and you will have fewer MIGs!

      Do not underestimate the Polish specialists, they will not badly cope with the task, and the Bulgarian pilots, on their own, will fly home using new equipment.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 30 December 2015 10: 09
        +1
        Quote: Sirocco
        Bulgarian pilots under their own power will fly home using new technology.

        And why not Baba Yaga? Violation of copyrights and license agreement. The brand Baba Yaga and the method of transportation of Baba Yaga belong exclusively to Russia. If you stuck a naked man, this is not a way to get away from license agreements.
        1. Sirocco
          Sirocco 30 December 2015 10: 29
          0
          Quote: Amurets
          Why not Baba Yaga?
          The brand Baba Yaga and the mode of movement of Baba Yaga belong exclusively to Russia.

          Well, like, brother-Slavs. laughing
      2. kugelblitz
        kugelblitz 30 December 2015 13: 42
        0
        One BUT! If a disaster happens, they will crow on the MiG itself, and not the logs that repaired them. wassat
    4. Uran
      Uran 30 December 2015 10: 04
      0
      they fly on our planes, they still have the audacity to consider us aggressors.
      1. dauria
        dauria 30 December 2015 12: 10
        0
        they fly on our planes

        Well, during the war there weren’t such miracles. Our Pe-2s were with the Finns and bombed us, the German Bf-109s were with the Romanians and hollowed the Germans. Yes, much more smile And for repairs, they are now NATO, apparently the Poles can provide them with the necessary remaining resources until they are replaced with something else. A lawsuit there is a fun thing. In short, the money sailed away.
    5. The black
      The black 30 December 2015 10: 38
      +4
      Right! Uncle Vasya in the garage is always cheaper than in the official service. Only the officials give a guarantee, and Uncle Vasya (in this case Poland) does not give a bolt by screwing up the bolts. laughing
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 30 December 2015 12: 10
        0
        Well, with a hammer, bolts are fastened more in service, rather than in the garage.
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    6. meriem1
      meriem1 30 December 2015 15: 42
      0
      Quote: prabiz
      Repair in Poland and you will have fewer MIGs! fool

      \
      Now no claims are accepted! Extra headache from "brothers" is not accepted. AK Ours spank brazenly, without renewing the license !!! That's what you need to take care of .... And if the "free and honest" Western society does not hear Us, then it is necessary to somehow brazenly pirate on the technology market, pointing to their same jambs! And then tired of playing in one gate.
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 30 December 2015 09: 41
    +2
    Experts regard this step of Sofia as a desire to squeeze Russia out of the repair market of Soviet equipment.


    Poles will be responsible for the consequences of the repair.
  3. Appraiser
    Appraiser 30 December 2015 09: 44
    +4
    Ghostly everything in this raging world
    There is only "MiG" for him and hold on ...
    The truth is that there will soon be no "Migs" in Bulgaria at all. soldier
  4. kopar
    kopar 30 December 2015 09: 45
    +4
    Knowing our managers, the price tag must have been lifted up to heaven. So nothing surprising ....
    And why the hell do I have a hohlyatsky flag flashed ?!
    1. Obstructia
      Obstructia 30 December 2015 09: 47
      +7
      Given that the vegetable colony is a member of NATO, this is entirely justified. Why do they need to repair equipment for nothing?
    2. DenZ
      DenZ 30 December 2015 09: 59
      +5
      Knowing our managers, the price tag must have been lifted up to heaven

      The price tag has nothing to do with it. The price tag was normal, just the Poles have no license for such repairs. Mikoyan Design Bureau warned the Bulgarians that after repair in Poland, these machines for repair already in Russia they will not accept.
      MiG Russian Aircraft Corporation (RSK) may stop servicing the Bulgarian Air Force MiG-29 fighters if it signs an agreement with Poland on the repair of RD-33 aircraft engines. This was stated by the CEO of the corporation Sergey Korotkov, Interfax reports.
      “If the Bulgarian side signs an agreement with Poland on the repair of RD-33 engines installed on MiGs, we will have no choice but to refuse to support and maintain the technical operation of the Bulgarian Air Force MiG-29 aircraft,” S. Korotkov said.
      He emphasized that the company reserves the right to challenge the lawfulness of the upcoming agreement “in view of the obvious violation of our rights as a developer and manufacturer of aircraft,” Lenta.ru reports.
      1. Foxmara
        Foxmara 30 December 2015 10: 24
        +1
        Poland bought the American f-ki, and, as I understand it, they still have the pieces of iron from the USSR, so they are selling the leftovers. It will end - the little brothers will run to repair in the MIG, but the shit, the prices will be different. And Poland has only left that rembaza from the once aviation industry. Everything else the Yankees and the EU destroyed.
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    4. jan
      jan 30 December 2015 10: 00
      +1
      where do you dig bro
    5. Hyppopotut
      Hyppopotut 30 December 2015 10: 03
      +6
      Why the hell are we supposed to "free" repair the equipment of a potential enemy? After all, Bulgaria is a NATO member. The more expensive it will cost to repair it, the less equipment it will be able to repair. If you don't like it, let him repair it even in Zambia. The question arises about the quality ...
  5. gelezo47
    gelezo47 30 December 2015 09: 46
    +2
    Let's see what they can do with it!? .. Usually it turns out like this: we look for where it’s cheaper, but in the end it turns out more expensive ...
    No matter how the "brothers" have to contact us after the repairs of the pshek. yes
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 30 December 2015 10: 15
      +1
      Quote: gelezo47
      Usually it turns out like this: we look for where it is cheaper, but in the end it turns out more expensive ...

      Quote: gelezo47
      No matter how the "brothers" have to contact us after the repairs of the pshek.

      For new MiGs. As a rule, after such a repair, there is already nothing to restore. Everything falls apart to its original state before melting the metal.
  6. ilija93
    ilija93 30 December 2015 09: 51
    -1
    Chinese instruments? Pipelines.
  7. Igor39
    Igor39 30 December 2015 09: 54
    +3
    Purely political decision
  8. Ros 56
    Ros 56 30 December 2015 09: 55
    +1
    Well here are the goodies.
    The unfinished "brothers" showed their insides, now don't blather about friendship and respect.
    You are not worth either one or the other.
    And as for the planes, now all the questions are for Poles, both for spare parts and for modernization.
    You betrayed the Russians, but remember, the ball is round.
    1. mildew
      mildew 30 December 2015 10: 52
      +2
      Who ruined the Warsaw Pact? You aren’t it? Who ruined the USSR yourself?

      You betrayed your allies, and now claim. And stop thinking that everyone hates you.
      1. pytar
        pytar 30 December 2015 19: 45
        +2
        Quote: Ros 56
        Well, we know Wilga and Dromadera, but this has nothing to do with big aviation.

        "Big", "small" aircraft ... And what does this have to do with the repair of MiG-ah? The Israelis, for example, are offering highly advanced upgrades to Soviet aircraft. And here with our MiG-am there is no bells and whistles. Repair and continuation of the service life are standard. No extremes. I'm sure the Poles can handle it. I also understand the jealousy with which some "experts" write here. Doesn't do you credit, to be honest. I think everything will be fine and MiGs will fly for several more years without problems.
  9. lukewarm
    lukewarm 30 December 2015 09: 56
    +7
    Curva uterus boska psya krev. Forward, for adventures, "allies" under the Warsaw Treaty. Breakthrough! 2 engines were brought! But Bulgaria has its own Air Force, it is still mattress bedding. Fly on the F-16, why use the "occupant" planes.
  10. jaguarstas
    jaguarstas 30 December 2015 09: 57
    -1
    Let them make themselves worse. I feel sorry for them.
  11. Humpty
    Humpty 30 December 2015 10: 00
    0
    Oh, China would throw them on spare parts. Factory, high-quality, from Beijing.
  12. Taygerus
    Taygerus 30 December 2015 10: 02
    +1
    Bulgaria said goodbye to MIGs, but the main political decision is "far-sighted"
  13. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 30 December 2015 10: 03
    0
    It would be time for them to start repairing LA-11 fighters as well.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 30 December 2015 18: 48
      0
      Careful cornering, La 11, the last fighter
      S.A. Lavochkina with a piston engine, at that time the most perfect, if there were such in 41, the war would have ended a year earlier
  14. jan
    jan 30 December 2015 10: 06
    -1
    These "brothers" have shown themselves in many places, especially in the Second World War, and are now proving. Until they step on the tail. then they will scream again: "Russian Brothers help." A friend is known in trouble. now it is clear who is a friend, who is so-so. Turks are nearby)))))
    1. pytar
      pytar 30 December 2015 19: 33
      +3
      To the so-called jan : Your "version" is being replicated very intently by pin-do-sov trolls. It is aimed at the ignorant public. But in fact the situation was completely different: In the Second World War, Bulgaria did not fight against the USSR. Didn't send soldiers to the Eastern Front. The USSR and Bulgaria were not at war. Normal diplomatic relations were maintained. At the same time, an anti-monarchist communist partisan movement was conducted on the territory of the country. By the end of 44, Bulgaria declares war on Germany and more than 400 thousand. Bulgarian soldiers are fighting under the command of Marshal Tolbukhin. Somewhere 36 thousand die. The Bulgarian army, having gone through fierce battles with the Germans and participating in the liberation of Yugoslavia, Hungary and Austria, reaches the Alps. at the Victory Parade, the Bulgarian military delegation is also participating! Gen. Stoichev - Commander of the Bulgarian troops, awarded with high Soviet distinctions. Jan, it’s not for you ... It’s contraindicated for you to know the truth. Do not stand your psyche.
  15. Editor
    Editor 30 December 2015 10: 11
    -1
    the official guarantee ended .... so soon in the scrap ...
  16. Afinogen
    Afinogen 30 December 2015 10: 15
    +1
    Experts regard this step of Sofia as a desire to squeeze Russia out of the repair market of Soviet equipment.


    Well, okay. After all, it's not important that the planes fly after repair, and most importantly "squeeze out" smile
  17. vladmetro
    vladmetro 30 December 2015 10: 24
    0
    I don’t care who repairs.
    Former countries already have very few Soviet weapons. And even then, it is in such a state that only Russia can make normal repairs.
    It is unlikely that European countries hostile to us will continue to buy ours.
    But Poland's specialists in Soviet armament are "noble". Never mind the Bulgarian Migi. wink
  18. pvv113
    pvv113 30 December 2015 10: 27
    +3
    refused the services of the MiG corporation, referring to excessively high prices

    And Balda condemned with reproach:
    "You, priest, would not be chasing cheapness" (A.S. Pushkin) hi
  19. pytar
    pytar 30 December 2015 10: 28
    +3
    Negotiations with the MiG Corp. on the repair of the MiG-29 were held with varying success for several years. In the leadership of the Bulgarian War Ministry, there was no clarity on the fate of Migov. Opinions differed, and Mig-i .. rusted ... Dengi was not under repair all the time. The management of the "MiG" company made several proposals in different variants and price terms. Unfortunately, they turned out to be unacceptable mainly due to the high cost. A long-standing weakness of Russian companies is the lack of flexibility and slow response to changes in competitive conditions. Ultimately, the contract was won by a Polish competitor - the Polish state military factories WZL-2 and WZL-4. The terms of the contract they proposed turned out to be very beneficial for the Bulgarian side. They are complex and even credit conditions are provided exclusively for Bulgarians. It is known that the Polish side agreed to unprecedented discounts. Ksati, the Polish company has been repairing Polish MiGs for many years, so it has proven experience. In the conditions of repair included all the necessary actions for the restoration of Migah and the subsequent maintenance of these machines. The Poles themselves have significant reserves of spare parts accumulated in warehouses back in the times of the Internal Affairs Directorate and even engines in sufficient quantity. Of all the countries of the former OVD, Poland has the largest warehouse stock in spare parts and materials for the maintenance of Soviet military equipment. They are now modernizing 16 of their MiG-29A on avionics. They make themselves at the Wojskowe Zaklady Lotnicze 2 (WZL-2) plant in Bydgoszcz. The modernization of the onboard equipment includes the installation of a MIL-STD-1553B data bus, INSB-29, AVB-29 and HDB-29 interfaces, a 127 x 102 mm color multifunctional indicator, an MDP task planning computer, an EGI navigation system (including an inertial laser system and equipment GPS with built-in SAASM module), digital video recorder, camera and flight data collection computer. The second dual-band UHF / VHF radio station with the HaveQuick I / II and SATURN coding system and the new PS-COM-01 panel of the R-862 radio station are also being installed. Repairs and upgrades should extend the lifespan of these machines until 2028. Do not underestimate the capabilities of the Polish counterparties and, in general, the quality of the Polish craftsmen. By the information in the Polish Air Force the accident rate is lower than that of the Russian Air Force.
    1. science fiction writer
      science fiction writer 30 December 2015 10: 52
      +4
      The Polish state military factories WZL-2 and WZL-4. The terms of the contract they proposed proved to be very beneficial for the Bulgarian side. They are complex and even credit conditions are provided exclusively for the Bulgarians. It is known that the Polish side went on unprecedented discounts

      For the sake of attracting a client, any discounts are good, but today.
      And tomorrow you won't see any discounts, and you won't turn to the MiG company.
      MISER PAYS TWICE
    2. Marconi41
      Marconi41 30 December 2015 15: 47
      -1
      Quote: pytar
      For information in the Polish Air Force the accident rate is lower than that of the Russian Air Force.

      So they have many times less aircraft. Incorrect statement comrade!
  20. agent
    agent 30 December 2015 10: 43
    +1
    Interesting data. I think there is a correlation between the number of hours of flight, the number of vehicles used and accident rate.
  21. Figvam
    Figvam 30 December 2015 10: 46
    +5
    but in my opinion it’s the landlord’s business.
    Where they want, let it be repaired.
    Healthy competition or unhealthy should always be.
  22. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 30 December 2015 10: 47
    0
    pytar (1) BG Today, 10:28 ... The terms of the contract they proposed were very beneficial for the Bulgarian side.


    Well, well, "brothers", fly, fly! Miser pays twice.
    1. Yak-3P
      Yak-3P 30 December 2015 10: 54
      -1
      in the sky mean-stupid pays ahulyard times more
  23. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 30 December 2015 10: 52
    +1
    Well, as the saying goes: “A woman with a cart, it’s easier for a mare!” Russia does not bear responsibility for the quality of repairs and the further “life” of MiGs. I agree with my colleagues that the “brothers” have already shown themselves from all sides, and then, wait and see.
  24. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 30 December 2015 10: 52
    -2
    but I would have agreed to fly them around after repair - I’ll take it off and take it, well, then there’s our catapult ... our ekuklytsky hatcap ..
  25. asiat_61
    asiat_61 30 December 2015 10: 57
    -3
    200 hours is nothing at all
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 30 December 2015 12: 58
      +1
      Well, if without special requirements (take-off-missile interception-landing in daylight conditions), then for 2 years these 200 hours can be stretched. And even for all 4, but then it will not be quite combat pilots.
  26. pytar
    pytar 30 December 2015 11: 13
    +7
    Quote: fiction
    The Polish state military factories WZL-2 and WZL-4. The terms of the contract they proposed proved to be very beneficial for the Bulgarian side. They are complex and even credit conditions are provided exclusively for the Bulgarians. It is known that the Polish side went on unprecedented discounts

    For the sake of attracting a client, any discounts are good, but today.
    And tomorrow you won't see any discounts, and you won't turn to the MiG company.
    MISER PAYS TWICE

    Why do you think that the repairs that the Poles will do will be of poor quality? The "cheapness" of the Polish proposal is relative! It is cheaper than the Russian offer, but not at the expense of quality! The Polish side admits that it made calculations on the basis of a minimum profit in order to load the capacities of the Polish factories, and the spare parts will generally be transferred at cost. At that time, Corp. MiG in its proposals proceeded from the position of a monopolist whose profit may be dependent. I understand that some commentators don't like the rules of competition, but let Corp. "Mig" to the future is pursuing a more flexible policy, since new players are constantly entering the world and competition will intensify.
    1. science fiction writer
      science fiction writer 30 December 2015 11: 25
      +1
      I’m not talking about quality, but about this momentary benefit. Today you have done a thorough repair for a low cost, and tomorrow you will pay more for factory service, because whoever made the major repair will continue to work. hi
  27. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 December 2015 11: 29
    -1
    Sofia’s move, as a desire to squeeze Russia out of the repair market of Soviet technology.

    Sofia is weak to squeeze Russia out of the market. They want it to be cheaper - their problem, because them and fly on refurbished in Poland.
  28. pytar
    pytar 30 December 2015 11: 42
    +4
    Quote: fiction
    I’m not talking about quality, but about this momentary benefit. Today you have done a thorough repair for a low cost, and tomorrow you will pay more for factory service, because whoever made the major repair will continue to work. hi

    It seems to me that you are mistaken in your deliberation. As far as I am aware, the Bulgarian Ministry of Defense undertook to repair the MiG-29 due to the absence of another acceptable alternative at that time. These airplanes are expensive to operate in Bulgarian economic realities and their resource will soon come to an end. It is unlikely that they will be used for a very long period in the future. This is a temporary measure, until there are investigations on the procurement of new fighters. The territory of the country is small and the MiG-29 is excessive in its characteristics for us. As the best option for a new maneuverable cheap fighter, for Bulgaria I consider a suitable combat version of the Yak-130 / this should be developed, since other countries also have interest / with a radar and the ability to fly from unprepared flight sites.
    1. science fiction writer
      science fiction writer 30 December 2015 12: 16
      0
      No, for God's sake, do what you want, in the end your money and your whims,
      time will tell who is right. hi
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  29. pytar
    pytar 30 December 2015 11: 50
    +5
    Quote: rotmistr60
    Sofia’s move, as a desire to squeeze Russia out of the repair market of Soviet technology.

    Sofia is weak to squeeze Russia out of the market. They want it to be cheaper - their problem, because them and fly on refurbished in Poland.

    Sheer nonsense. Repair of Soviet equipment is done by many companies outside Russia. Normal competition and there is nothing surprising in this. Another thing amazes me ... How you always look for the guilty outside of yourself! As it is always for you, someone else is to blame! This "logic" does not help about solving problems in the Russian military industry. Russia has always produced excellent exemplary military equipment, but your logistics is chronically lame, and in general marketing needs to be improved drastically! I think that the situation will improve over time, although much more needs to be done on the issue.
    1. kos2910
      kos2910 30 December 2015 12: 04
      0
      That's right, you should not cling to the repair market, only do you strongly believe in the guarantee of the Poles? Yes, in general do not care, cook in your Eurobog, we have enough where to sell military equipment. Just do not assure me that the decision was made due to lack of logistics. As the Americans said, yes, however, the Poles and Bulgarians do not need to say anything, they themselves show initiative in Russophobia.
  30. kos2910
    kos2910 30 December 2015 11: 58
    -1
    Something I do not remember a single Polish brand of aircraft. Tanks were like before 2 world. The Czechs did both, if they trusted the Czechs, I would have understood, but the Poles ...
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 30 December 2015 12: 13
      +1
      Quote: kos2910
      Something I do not remember a single Polish brand of aircraft. Tanks were like before 2 world. The Czechs did both, if they trusted the Czechs, I would have understood, but the Poles ...

      Poles did during the Warsaw Pact MI-2.
    2. Jatviag
      Jatviag 30 December 2015 13: 48
      +1
      You have a very vague idea of ​​the Polish aircraft industry before the Second World War and its current state.
  31. pytar
    pytar 30 December 2015 12: 20
    +4
    Quote: kos2910
    Something I do not remember a single Polish brand of aircraft. Tanks were like before 2 world. The Czechs did both, if they trusted the Czechs, I would have understood, but the Poles ...

    Poland before WWII was one of the developed aircraft manufacturing countries. Look for information on PZL aircraft! Yes, and during the ATS, the Poles were aircraft. By license, and theirs too.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 30 December 2015 18: 53
      0
      Well, we know Wilga and Dromadera, but this has nothing to do with big aviation.
  32. pytar
    pytar 30 December 2015 12: 33
    +4
    Quote: kos2910
    That's right, you should not cling to the repair market, only do you strongly believe in the guarantee of the Poles? Yes, in general do not care, cook in your Eurobog, we have enough where to sell military equipment. Just do not assure me that the decision was made due to lack of logistics. As the Americans said, yes, however, the Poles and Bulgarians do not need to say anything, they themselves show initiative in Russophobia.

    The decision was made mainly due to the lack of money. That’s the whole truth. If we find money, we will buy weapons, which we also need from Russia. As for the Eurobog, I’ve been sworn by the adversary of both the EU and NATO, but I’ll tell you quite benevolently — it’s better to take a rake and rake your swamp. Not a problem in NATO and the EU, but on your own. I think you yourself know what this is about. About Russophobia, you can only talk about the occupation authorities, the staging of Washington. Don’t talk about the Bulgarian people, since they are massively Russophile. You generally have little idea of ​​the true essence of the situation in Bulgaria. In the same topic, it’s better not to talk nonsense if you don’t know how things really are. You are very stupefied with your heads, with all sorts of imaginary enemies. In the face of the Bulgarian people, Russia has favorable soil for promoting its influence.
  33. biserino
    biserino 30 December 2015 12: 39
    +3
    Quote: jan
    These "brothers" showed themselves in many places, especially in the Second World War ...


    Read the story, the Bulgarian soldier on the eastern front did not fight and not a single shot against the Russian soldier! At the end of the 1944 year and the 45 year of the 10 000 of the Bulgarian soldiers died for the liberation of Yugoslavia by the Nazis. My grandfather also fought.
  34. pytar
    pytar 30 December 2015 12: 53
    +3
    Quote: biserino
    Quote: jan
    These "brothers" showed themselves in many places, especially in the Second World War ...


    Read the story, the Bulgarian soldier on the eastern front did not fight and not a single shot against the Russian soldier! At the end of the 1944 year and the 45 year of the 10 000 of the Bulgarian soldiers died for the liberation of Yugoslavia by the Nazis. My grandfather also fought.

    Beads, they don’t know anything. Common for many years with the Russians, I am amazed at how false ideas they have about our relations! They’ve got a lot of nonsense in their heads! I hope that from time to time they will get access to more objective information and change their attitude.
  35. pytar
    pytar 30 December 2015 13: 46
    +2
    Quote: Amurets
    Quote: Sirocco
    Bulgarian pilots under their own power will fly home using new technology.

    And why not Baba Yaga? Violation of copyrights and license agreement. The brand Baba Yaga and the method of transportation of Baba Yaga belong exclusively to Russia. If you stuck a naked man, this is not a way to get away from license agreements.

    And who told you that licensing rights are being violated? The warranty of the Bulgarian Mig-ahs is long over, 20 years ago! Now, who makes repairs, he takes responsibility for repairs. Old parts change to new ones and that's it. If I have a Lada Kopeyka car, am I obligated to make repairs with you, or what !? Complete nonsense! No copyright infringed!
  36. pytar
    pytar 30 December 2015 14: 18
    +2
    Quote: Sirocco
    Quote: Amurets
    Why not Baba Yaga?
    The brand Baba Yaga and the mode of movement of Baba Yaga belong exclusively to Russia.

    Well, like, brother-Slavs. laughing

    Not seemingly, but definitely Slavs. Such as Russians and Poles. And if we are accurate, then the Poles are the most Slavic t.sk. of all the Slavs. Are we guilty that you have a bad relationship with the Poles !? For us, the Russians are the fraternal Slavic people who liberated us from the 5 centuries-old Ottoman slavery, and the Poles are also Slavic people friendly to us. And ksati the first who tried to liberate Bulgaria from the Ottoman yoke, is the Poles! As far back as 1444, the Polish army, led by King Vladislav III Varnenchik, went on a crusader campaign in Bulgaria to fight the Turks and free the Bulgarians! The army of Vladislav included large Bulgarian troops and regiments. Unfortunately, Vladislav was defeated near the city of Varna, and he himself died in this battle. We honor his memory and have the Park Museum in his honor, and there are boulevards named after him. We regret that there are such unfriendly relations between Russia and Poland. This is considered wrong and abnormal.
    1. kubanec
      kubanec 30 December 2015 16: 04
      0
      ----------- We regret that there are such unfriendly relations between Russia and Poland. This is considered wrong and abnormal .------------- answer: Yes, because the Poles tried as soon as possible to cut out the Russian people, because. we are Orthodox and they are Catholics, but then we thoroughly raked that we already became part of the Russian Empire. And if the Poles freed you, you would also be Catholics. THE DREAMS OF THE POLES ABOUT THE HUGE CATHOLIC SPEECH HAVE NOT BEEN CARRY OUT - AND THE ORTHODOX RUSSIA BECAME A GREAT AND HUGE EMPIRE - here and hats us since then .....
      1. pytar
        pytar 30 December 2015 19: 25
        +3
        I do not condone the Poles. But I don’t think we should constantly look back! The Poles have it too! Constantly recall the partition of Poland and Russian rule! And as always, the story is mixed. She is neither black nor white. If you think about it, then the Slavic peoples have much more that binds than what they share! These constant disputes, which climb in all topics, no matter what is at stake, in essence, work for our common enemies.
        1. kubanec
          kubanec 30 December 2015 20: 14
          +1
          ----------- These constant disputes that climb in all topics, no matter what is at stake, in essence work for our common enemies .----------- AND WITH THIS I AM FULLY I AGREE! SHARED US - NOW OVER!
          1. kubanec
            kubanec 30 December 2015 20: 18
            +1
            ON THE PICTURE OF MY DREAM - THERE IS NOT ENOUGH BROTHER BULGARIA
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            4. pytar
              pytar 31 December 2015 02: 08
              +2
              The map should look like the link down. Including Bulgaria and Macedonia. Because Macedonia, this is also Bulgaria :))))

              http://prikachi.com/images.php?images/170/8548170v.jpg
              1. kubanec
                kubanec 31 December 2015 11: 07
                +1
                YES, I like this option more and everything RED is called GREAT RUSSIA !!! soldier
                1. but still
                  but still 31 December 2015 17: 06
                  +2
                  Peter and Kuban apparently already actively celebrate New Year drinks wassat - Do you respect me? - I respect you. - Crawled together ... colorize the cards ... drinks fellow
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  37. pytar
    pytar 30 December 2015 14: 46
    +3
    Quote: DenZ
    Knowing our managers, the price tag must have been lifted up to heaven

    The price tag has nothing to do with it. The price tag was normal, just the Poles have no license for such repairs. Mikoyan Design Bureau warned the Bulgarians that after repair in Poland, these machines for repair already in Russia they will not accept.
    MiG Russian Aircraft Corporation (RSK) may stop servicing the Bulgarian Air Force MiG-29 fighters if it signs an agreement with Poland on the repair of RD-33 aircraft engines. This was stated by the CEO of the corporation Sergey Korotkov, Interfax reports.
    “If the Bulgarian side signs an agreement with Poland on the repair of RD-33 engines installed on MiGs, we will have no choice but to refuse to support and maintain the technical operation of the Bulgarian Air Force MiG-29 aircraft,” S. Korotkov said.
    He emphasized that the company reserves the right to challenge the lawfulness of the upcoming agreement “in view of the obvious violation of our rights as a developer and manufacturer of aircraft,” Lenta.ru reports.

    Bullshit are absolute! The MiG Corporation was clearly offended and raving about all sorts of nonsense. And they could simply offer more acceptable conditions. Lying on its monopoly position no longer works. How many contracts and tenders have lost so much! Gentlemen, in the world the competition is becoming increasingly fierce! It's time to develop, it's time to work better!
  38. pytar
    pytar 30 December 2015 19: 49
    +3
    Quote: unwillingly
    Curva uterus boska psya krev. Forward, for adventures, "allies" under the Warsaw Treaty. Breakthrough! 2 engines were brought! But Bulgaria has its own Air Force, it is still mattress bedding. Fly on the F-16, why use the "occupant" planes.

    Let's take your "advice" for mixing. In response, we will give you advice too - give less advice. Especially on topics for which you do not have knowledge.