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30 December. Our Motherland is the USSR!

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The date is not round, and there is not much to say about it. But red-clad dinosaurs (and they have a good memory) are still remembered on this day. It is remembered, not commemorated.

Commemorated - this is ever good, or nothing. And there is a certain reason.

We remember what we remember. Both bad and good. Here everyone has his own. But we remember, which means that the years lived in the huge Soviet Union country were not lived in vain.

Memory is such a thing ... complicated. Over the years, everyone rethinks what has been lived in the light of years gone by. But we have something to remember.

The list of names and events is different for everyone. I will not even try to give at least a couple of examples. I just say - we all have something to remember and keep in that part of the memory where good and good are stored.

Congratulations, of course, not with anything. It is rather a reminder. A reminder of the event with which each of those born in the USSR is connected in one way or another.

30 December 1922 was created the state in which we were born, lived, studied, swore allegiance to him. Yes, we lost it, and in that we lost, there is a bit of guilt of everyone.

But we remember, and it costs a lot.

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  1. apro
    apro 30 December 2015 06: 26 New
    62
    Let us recall the Soviet Union with good memory, God forbid, live to see its revival.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 30 December 2015 08: 56 New
      32
      30 December 1922 was created the state in which we were born, lived, studied, swore allegiance to him. Yes, we lost it, and in that we lost, there is a bit of guilt of everyone.

      I completely agree that in the collapse of the USSR there is a piece of guilt of every resident of that Great country. It seems to me that the reason was our carelessness, calmness, a quiet measured life. No one had the idea that their beloved country would fall apart, this was not even discussed. And suddenly this. Could this happen to a country, for example, in the 50s? - Hardly. At that time, the people were still living a difficult life - at an accelerated pace, they were restoring the national economy that had been destroyed by the war and, despite the difficult life, it was impossible to push it to the collapse of the country. But in the 90s, this became possible precisely thanks to our carelessness, the belief that only good and the west are our friend. Well, what kind of west is a friend, we saw immediately after the collapse of the USSR. I think we got the vaccine and repeat the same with Russia, the United States and others like it are unlikely to succeed.
      Well, those who loved and continue to love the USSR - Happy Birthday to the Great Country!
      1. 0255
        0255 30 December 2015 11: 12 New
        +9
        Quote: SRC P-15
        I completely agree that in the collapse of the USSR there is a piece of guilt of every resident of that Great country. It seems to me that the reason was our carelessness, calmness, a quiet measured life. No one had the idea that their beloved country would fall apart, this was not even discussed.

        They live well in the USA, their standard of living was significantly higher than the Soviet one, so what do they not fall apart from a rich life, as various "onolitega" promise us? Maybe it was in the sale elite?
        1. Gato
          Gato 30 December 2015 20: 26 New
          10
          Quote: 0255
          their standard of living was significantly higher than the Soviet

          The average standard of living. Life on credit.
          Just like now. For example, I am the owner of an apartment and a country house - I do not rent them and do not rent them. Of course, they are somewhat worse than many American ones, but they are mine. I do not have mortgages and I do not pay interest. And my children (if they are not fools) will not owe anything to anyone either.
        2. AFS
          AFS 30 December 2015 23: 31 New
          -1
          Happy All Friends!
      2. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul 30 December 2015 15: 50 New
        10
        It seems to me that the reason was our carelessness, calmness, a quiet measured life.
        None of the ordinary citizens expected that the betrayal would be on top. Everyone believed in the power of the KGB, but it won’t work out. request
        1. Talgat
          Talgat 30 December 2015 17: 24 New
          +5
          The referendum showed that the vast majority was for the preservation of the USSR

          On the other hand, in addition to the betrayal of Gorbachev Yakovlev and other Judas, except for US pressure and low oil prices - all the same, Soviet people lost their understanding of the situation - there was a massive craziness - pro-Western moods went wild - everyone wanted chewing gum and jeans

          In fact, now, after the horrors of the collapse of the 90's, after the catastrophe of mass impoverishment and devastation, the population of Russia and other republics has sobered up

          The west, destroying the USSR, whose citizens loved and worshiped him, got a huge territory inhabited by people hostile
          1. kuz363
            kuz363 30 December 2015 19: 51 New
            +4
            Of course, a contradiction. The people in the referendum were for the safety of the USSR. But the leading leadership of all the republics of the USSR was against it. They probably knew that the only way they could enrich themselves without the instructions of Moscow. Usually all the blame is placed on the trinity of Belovezhskaya Pushcha. Yes, most of the blame is on them. But do not forget how Gorbachev behaved when special services reported on the gathering in Belarus. And he was afraid to arrest them on the spot. Well, how straightforwardly indecisive Yanukovych. And the deputies of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR ratified the Bialowieza Agreement. Although it seems like the chosen people were. It turns out that then and now the chosen people do not represent their real interests.
            1. Gato
              Gato 30 December 2015 20: 48 New
              +3
              Quote: kuz363
              And he was afraid to arrest them on the spot.

              Naive judgment. Gorbachev simply could not do anything, even if he really wanted to. A leader does not cost anything without a team - and a BIG SIGN $ has already loomed in front of the team
          2. Gato
            Gato 30 December 2015 20: 44 New
            +4
            Quote: Talgat
            Gorbachev's betrayals

            The main traitor was EBN. It was he who wanted to be the "king of all Russia." More precisely, the king is at least something.
        2. denkastro
          denkastro 30 December 2015 18: 25 New
          10
          C'mon, many ran around in search of jeans and other trinkets, and the word "SHOVEL" was a curse word. This is also someone who betrayed us. We ourselves have betrayed ourselves, exchanged the Union for beads.
        3. Gato
          Gato 30 December 2015 20: 31 New
          -1
          Quote: Gomunkul
          Everyone believed in the power of the KGB

          C'mon, after repeated "reinforcements" of the KGB by party cadres, and especially after the creation of the 5th GU, no one especially believed.
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        5. Rezident007
          Rezident007 31 December 2015 05: 33 New
          +1
          The USSR is the only empire collapsed from an external enemy. In order not to paint everything, I’ll say just one phrase of one CIA employee: "... figuratively - we just took the entire top of the CPSU for a salary .." Like that, "my dear ..")))
      3. veteran66
        veteran66 30 December 2015 20: 40 New
        0
        Quote: SRC P-15
        in the collapse of the USSR there is a piece of guilt of every resident of that Great country.

        yeah, to whom this time to apologize? Well, just like Leah Akhedzhakova)))) Personally, I do not feel any guilt before anyone.
      4. bondarencko
        bondarencko 30 December 2015 21: 05 New
        0
        ... and you can’t leave your sons behind, even a little, because they have their own sons growing up!
      5. avva2012
        avva2012 2 January 2016 14: 13 New
        +3
        The country could be destroyed, only from above. And ruined. I wonder what the main ideologist of the USSR, Suslov did. When at the beginning of the 80s schools appeared written on a notebook sheet, "we will remind you of the 41th year, hail ..." And, this was written by schoolchildren of the 7th class. On the street, the boys wore caps sewn to order and similar to the Wehrmacht hats. Has anyone seen this at the top? Ha. And, courtyard gangs, fights are not just district by region, but with the use of "bombs", electrodes. And the ideology, inside, is not at all Soviet. Why, no one saw this? Lies, seen. The USSR, namely, the upper ones, has collapsed. Who, history, sooner or later their name, will call. Shame on them and dishonor forever! And do not, the responsibility of others for their own actions, extend to everyone. Not us, you destroyed the Country. And, sooner or later, your names will be known! Burn in hell!
    2. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 30 December 2015 09: 51 New
      10
      Actually, the USSR is the remnants of the Russian Empire gathered together, although without Poland, Finland and many other territories. Yes, we had a great state, which we destroyed in the 1991 year, but our ancestors created it for centuries, and not with a stroke of the pen in the 1922 year.
      1. Boos
        Boos 30 December 2015 10: 07 New
        25
        Leftovers? East Prussia and South Sakhalin, the Kuril Islands? Give tribute to Generalisimus!
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        2. Nikolay K
          Nikolay K 30 December 2015 11: 35 New
          +8
          In 1922, Koenigsberg and South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands were not part of the USSR. Yes, in the 1945 year, these areas became part of the Union thanks to the feat of our people and, unfortunately, at the cost of the death of more than 20 million people. Because losing territories is always easier than getting them back.
        3. RUSS
          RUSS 30 December 2015 15: 07 New
          +3
          Quote: Boos
          Leftovers? East Prussia and South Sakhalin, the Kuril Islands? Give tribute to Generalisimus!

          And you can’t argue with that, but Nikolay K in the previous comment is right.
        4. Lekov L
          Lekov L 30 December 2015 18: 13 New
          +8
          Leftovers? East Prussia and South Sakhalin, the Kuriles? Give credit to Generalisimus!

          And the ancestors and monarchs and generalissimo-they multiplied the motherland.
          Do not share the story: it is all ours, and we all grew out of it.
          We must be proud of the country and analyze the difficult moments of its life in order to avoid it.
          Something like this.
          Respectfully..
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 30 December 2015 15: 06 New
        +4
        Quote: Nikolai K
        Actually, the USSR is the remnants of the Russian Empire gathered together, although without Poland, Finland and many other territories. Yes, we had a great state, which we destroyed in 1991

        Everything is true, and historically, it is strange why you are minus?
        1. Gato
          Gato 30 December 2015 20: 56 New
          +6
          Quote: RUSS
          why are you being minus?

          Some believe that all of these territories are not worth such victims. And that "democratic values" are more expensive.
          I don’t relate myself to some of these, I hope you too hi
      3. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 30 December 2015 20: 57 New
        -2
        Quote: Nikolai K
        , although without Poland, Finland and many other territories

        are there any others? without Alaska or what?
        Quote: Nikolai K
        Actually, the USSR is the remnants of the Russian Empire gathered together,

        Have you seen the globe before the 91st year?
        In terms of grandeur, power and territory, there was no such second one on planet Earth.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 30 December 2015 21: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          Have you seen the globe before the 91st year?
          In terms of grandeur, power and territory, there was no such second one on planet Earth.

          Comrade Phantom-ace on the globe that you presented depicts the USSR together with the countries of Europe - the "Warsaw Pact", China and Mongolia
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 30 December 2015 21: 53 New
            +1
            Quote: RUSS
            You presented the depicted USSR along with the countries of Europe - the "Warsaw Pact", China and Mongolia

            And where do you see the contradictions?
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 31 December 2015 11: 26 New
              +1
              Quote: PHANTOM-AS
              Quote: RUSS
              You presented the depicted USSR along with the countries of Europe - the "Warsaw Pact", China and Mongolia

              And where do you see the contradictions?

              You write what- "
              Have you seen the globe before the 91st year?
              In terms of grandeur, power and territory, there was no such second one on planet Earth.
              "
              That is, you assume the USSR, and on the globe, that you posted not only the USSR, but also other social countries.
          2. Gato
            Gato 30 December 2015 22: 30 New
            +3
            Quote: RUSS
            on the globe

            It’s like a globe of influence. And what is wrong?
    3. Vend
      Vend 30 December 2015 09: 52 New
      +7
      Quote: apro
      Let us recall the Soviet Union with good memory, God forbid, live to see its revival.

      Not worth it. Not everything was good in the USSR. So the USSR is the past, but the future needs to be built. You can take good from the USSR, and leave the bad in the past. Erdogan also seeks to revive the Ottoman Empire, Germany also seeks to revive the empire, Poland too. Let the past be remembered.
      1. Alena Frolovna
        Alena Frolovna 30 December 2015 10: 46 New
        26
        How do you want to return to the past -
        Go through the time barrier.
        Bring back then golden time -
        Suddenly wake up in the USSR.
        To return everything dear to the heart:
        Actors, holidays, movies.
        It was all like a native
        Life was so simple and easy.
        Three pennies "soda",
        In the cinema "popsicle"
        Those jokes about Vovka,
        That "cervelat" and "milk."
        Parades, songs, Komsomol members.
        "Afonya", Shurik, Moscow ...
        Those birthdays, feasts.
        All that human kindness!
        As pulls, sometimes, the past.
        That security and peace
        Like childhood, warm, dear
        On forever in human memory.
        Forgive me, modern age
        Your interior is not to your liking
        After all I'm so ordinary
        Born in USSR
        .
      2. Ajjh
        Ajjh 30 December 2015 12: 38 New
        0
        Here is a good idea!
      3. Fox
        Fox 30 December 2015 15: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: Wend
        Not everything was good in the USSR

        Well, at least enlighten, who lived in the USSR, what wasn’t good? Otherwise, they all just nod with their mane, but they can’t mumble intelligible and sensible ...
        1. Vend
          Vend 30 December 2015 15: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: Fox
          Quote: Wend
          Not everything was good in the USSR

          Well, at least enlighten, who lived in the USSR, what wasn’t good? Otherwise, they all just nod with their mane, but they can’t mumble intelligible and sensible ...

          I also lived in the USSR. Well, for example, if you recall, broadcasts from outer space, before cooperation with Japan, were simply terrible. And also I advise you to remember how they wanted to destroy the airborne forces, emphasizing that the rocket is everything. Also remember Soviet stores, with half-empty shelves. And when they brought sausage or sausages, the slogan in the line was "no more than one kilogram in one hand." And also remember the price of Soviet Lada 3500 cars, with the salary of an ordinary person in 120 - 160 rubles. Color TVs worth 300 rubles. I also advise you to remember how they lived in the closed north in beams, for the ignorant I will tell you, this is a car standing on bricks in which people live. I advise you to recall the virgin soil. You need to have a memory no shorter than a sparrow nose.
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 30 December 2015 15: 43 New
            +9
            Quote: Wend
            And also remember the price of Soviet cars Lada 3500

            Still had to wait for their turn.
            1. Vend
              Vend 30 December 2015 16: 44 New
              +1
              Quote: RUSS
              Quote: Wend
              And also remember the price of Soviet cars Lada 3500

              Still had to wait for their turn.

              All true.
              1. Talgat
                Talgat 30 December 2015 17: 31 New
                +2
                Under the USSR, the standard of living approached the western. Remember medicine, education, light industry, and so on and so forth.

                Everything collapsed during the collapse. Read Kara Murza - pure statistics - after destroying the USSR, people began to eat meat in 5 times less, stopped drinking milk, oils of other products in 7 began to eat less, stopped eating bread, electricity, etc., etc.

                They got impoverished, were left without a medical education - kindergartens turned into warehouses of "thieves of businessmen"

                The power was seized by the "Semibankirism" which even Russian people can hardly be called

                Women on the panel, men in bandits
                1. MrK
                  MrK 1 January 2016 00: 27 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Talgat
                  Under the USSR, the standard of living approached the western. Remember medicine, education, light industry, and so on and so forth.


                  I agree. The same figures are cited by Alexander Kurlandchik in his book “Damned Soviet Power” ... on Prose ru.
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 30 December 2015 16: 11 New
            +8
            Well, for example, if you recall, broadcasts from outer space, before cooperation with Japan, were simply terrible.


            Well, the Japanese did not immediately become "not terrible." Just who cares, who has the picture on the TV, and who cares for free.


            And also I advise you to remember how they wanted to destroy the airborne forces, emphasizing that the rocket is everything.


            There have always been military reforms. And not only in the USSR. By the way, they did not destroy it.

            Also remember Soviet stores, with half-empty shelves. And when they brought sausage or sausages, the slogan in the line was “no more than one kilogram in one hand”


            Well, half-empty shelves - this is the end of 80's - after the disaster. You are completely right about the sausage, but you could buy it, but now not everyone can afford it. And so, somehow it turned out that "there are no shops, but there are on the table," and we were not at all partnomenclature and not salesmen.

            Color TVs worth 300 rubles.


            Well, now there are one hundred thousand televisions. So what? For those times, color TV was as high-tech as 3-d plasma is now.

            And also remember the price of Soviet Lada 3500 cars, with the salary of an ordinary person in 120 - 160 rubles.


            Yeah, there were a lot of cars, however, somehow it was basically a "secondary" after foreigners. And the new one stands, perhaps, in the same proportion.

            I also advise you to remember how they lived in the closed north in beams, for the ignorant I will tell you, this is a car standing on bricks in which people live.


            Well, remember how much these people received. After all, everyone had a choice, or you work warmly and comfortably in the city for 150-200 rubles, or in the north for 500-1000 rubles (if you look at Tynda, for example). And now, on the contrary, those who sit in a cozy office receive money in bags, and those who work on them receive a penny, with rare exceptions, if it’s a very scarce specialty like an automatic welder in pipelines.

            I advise you to recall the virgin soil.


            And what did they drive by force? People made their own choices. And then I can remember how Petersburg was built, how many bones in the swamps were left at the same time.
            1. Vend
              Vend 30 December 2015 16: 49 New
              +2
              Quote: alicante11
              Well, let’s suppose not the end of 80’s, but the beginning, at least it was in Omsk. But the end of 80's we had everything, only with the money was strained. But virgin soil is not volunteers, but how they lived there. Not only volunteers went there, they went there for a long ruble, both to the BAM and to the north. Do not paint everything in pink. In the USSR it was both bad and good. The good must be taken, and the bad left, so as not to repeat the mistakes. If it were so rosy in the USSR, as it seems to you, we would still be living in the same country.
          3. cuzmin.mihail2013
            cuzmin.mihail2013 30 December 2015 16: 48 New
            +8
            Have you been to the North and lived in these beams? If yes, then you know why. And the beams as they were and remained.
            Getting in the USSR about 300 rubles a month, I did not see any problems with the TV, but the car ...
            But, Ecocorne Babai, why now, getting more than 60 tons I have the same problems ...
          4. a housewife
            a housewife 30 December 2015 22: 38 New
            +3
            For three hundred rubles, my husband and I bought our first TV in 1987 - a small black and white Record, which, by the way, worked until 2003. Colored cost from 700 rubles. Queues for apartments were 12-25 years old. Sausage in the 70's was given at 0,5 - 1 kg per hand. The queue had to be taken in 2-3 hours. The same with butter. Cheese, peas, smoked sausage, buckwheat, Indian tea - in holiday sets at the factory A chocolate bar at the same time cost 3 rubles, at the present - 3oo rubles. Taxi - 10 kopecks per 1 km. The meat in the shops was cheap, but some bones, and they still had to be found. But it was very cheap to pay for a communal apartment. There were a lot of products in stores, but there were small salaries, and there was simply not enough money for all these goodies. And the most expensive ice cream cost 60 kopecks. Carousels - 28 kopecks. A movie ticket for children 10 kopecks, an adult - 10, in the evening and in Sunday - 25 ° C. And there were a lot of cinemas, even “summer” ones in the open air. It was very cheap to travel around the country with trips that the union partially paid for. There were almost no cars, but the transport was cheap - 5 kopecks per trolleybus and bus, 5 kopeks tram Better we lived or worse?
          5. Aureol
            Aureol 31 December 2015 00: 29 New
            +1
            And now, everyone can afford a car in a half a lemon not on credit? (an average of 22 salaries, as before, at 22 TR average salary)
            Sausage and sausages are now available to everyone. But from pink mucus and soy. Tell my aunt about toilet paper in a doctor’s office - she worked for 25 years at a meat processing plant “with a scoop”. Although, someone like that.
            Color TVs ... Judging by the post, you keep up with the times and you have LG 105UC9 UltraHD 4K or Samsung UE88JS9500T. If not, what are we talking about? They now correspond to a color television "then."
            And about empty shelves ... Empty shelves began in the mid-90s. When, after Brezhnev’s death, they slowly began to decide the question of how to shake the state more strongly. wallet in your pocket. Remember the pyramids of Iwashi in oil and other rubbish, barrel herring, halva and plus three parallelepipeds: cream, chocolate and margarine? Nearby is a hefty knife with a wooden handle. Jam in three-liter tins (not dyed jelly!) And in the same tomato paste (they also brought condensed milk from the north, without palm oil!), Georgian baikhovy (not ice, but not worse than cheap in modern markets), Hungarian pickled plums and apples, batteries of three-liter cans of juice? Candy boxes with stuck aluminum scoops? Stewed meat (not from boobs-pussy-soya)? A cool thing is a tourist's breakfast))). Chocolates at 50 kopecks (a little expensive, but it was chocolate). Gum mouth-front ...
            Although, to each - his own.
            I don’t know about you, but I will gladly exchange 3 kg of modern “sausages” for one Brezhnev. and black and white Stirlitz stuck with great interest than the color 3D 300 Spartans.
            The main thing that was then and what is not now is confidence in the future. And it doesn’t matter, real or unrealizable. That which we unshakably believe in is reality.
            1. veteran66
              veteran66 1 January 2016 15: 03 New
              -1
              Quote: Aureol
              Judging by the post, you keep pace with the times and you have LG 105UC9 UltraHD 4K or Samsung UE88JS9500T.

              If you are talking about prices, then do not distort, this is a world novelty and is expensive, then we also looked (who were lucky to buy) not the masterpieces of television construction. While the entire civilized world has watched color TV since the 60s, we have only had it since the mid 70s, when my parents were able to afford this miracle of Sovdep radio electronics, only some of the programs were marked with the "CT" icon. We didn’t import any products because the standard didn’t fit, so TV prices are hard to compare, but judging by the tape recorders, which were also hard to get, our Vesna was 10 times cheaper and just as worse than any Sharpe. And now anyone can afford a medium-sized flat-panel TV.
          6. Severok01
            Severok01 31 December 2015 00: 37 New
            +1
            He lived in the "girder" for about 16 years (even went to the bucket for necessities) in the Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, but I dare to assure you that these were probably the best years in my life! “Beams” were not even locked (until the beginning of the 90s), and most importantly, people were friendly!
          7. Gato
            Gato 31 December 2015 18: 16 New
            +2
            And what? No one had color TVs, sausages or cars? Airborne disappeared?
            And about memory - you have it no longer than a mosquito penis.
          8. Svetoch
            Svetoch 1 January 2016 07: 41 New
            +1
            I rewrote the beginning of the commentary several times, I couldn’t pick up normal words. Everything rests against you sausage and sausages. Bl ... I’m giving you. Himself not ashamed? Oh, what am I, how can you be so ashamed? A neighbor traveled on the Volga, but you didn’t even have a Lada? Honestly, I don’t even want to write anymore. And yes, life in the north began at the age of 5 just in the trailer. soldier
        2. Gato
          Gato 31 December 2015 18: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: Fox
          Well, at least enlighten, who lived in the USSR, what wasn’t good? Otherwise, they all just nod with their mane, but they can’t mumble intelligible and sensible ...

          And they didn’t live there - they only read newspapers (or smoked?)
      4. Gato
        Gato 30 December 2015 21: 12 New
        +7
        Quote: Wend
        Not everything was good in the USSR.

        You do not remember this in your youth! In the USSR, trees were higher, beer was cheaper, and women were younger!
        But seriously - people were completely different. Absolutely. Not all, of course, but others.
        Here is an example.
        Our whole family flew from Khabar to Belarus, we transferred our father to a new duty station in the garrison in Shaikovka. In Moscow, an officer came up to us - say, help, brother, the money was stolen. Father, without thinking, unfastened half of the lift.
        Mother then yelled at him ...
        And the father answered - this is an officer!
        A month later, a full money transfer came.
        Imagine something similar in today's Russia recourse
    4. vovanpain
      vovanpain 30 December 2015 10: 09 New
      18
      30 December 1922 was created the state in which we were born, lived, studied, swore allegiance to him. Yes, we lost it, and in that we lost, there is a bit of guilt of everyone.

      But we remember, and it costs a lot.

      Thank you Roman for the article, we all remember and tell the children and grandchildren about the USSR.
      1. Gato
        Gato 30 December 2015 22: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: vovanpain
        remember everything and tell children and grandchildren

        There are no grandchildren yet.
        And the children just do not believe. They say: Dad, well, this simply can’t be - you have come up with it.
    5. Ermak
      Ermak 30 December 2015 11: 42 New
      +3
      Apr 3 (SU) Today, 06:26 AM
      Let us recall the Soviet Union with good memory, God forbid, live to see its revival.


      everything can be ... as they said from a spark a flame will flash :)

      Well, now you can on occasion and listen:



      1. RUSS
        RUSS 30 December 2015 12: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: Ermak
        everything can be ... as they said from a spark a flame will flash :)

        Well, now you can on occasion and listen:

        Your post somehow does not fit with your profile picture.
        1. Ermak
          Ermak 30 December 2015 17: 44 New
          +7
          РУСС (3) RU Today, 12: 46 ↑
          Quote: Ermak
          everything can be ... as they said from a spark a flame will flash :)

          Well, now you can on occasion and listen:

          Your post somehow does not fit with your profile picture.

          And this is because this is the history of our Motherland and this is not logical at first glance. My great-grandfather served in the Life Guards and fought in World War I, my one grandfather didn’t really like Soviet power and was never a communist, but he fought in World War II and lived his whole life with dignity, the other grandfather was a fervent communist and artist, but despite different views they were both for justice and truth. This is our country, 1 different stories with one people. But I love Russia and I respect our history very much, and I know that no one would have such a USSR, there would have been no such Russian Empire, if there had been a different Russian people, and if so, everything was good and bad, that was - all this is ours!
          Therefore, I believe the new future should be built harmoniously, not denying our past, but taking as much of it useful and necessary as possible.
    6. Gato
      Gato 30 December 2015 20: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: apro
      Let us recall the Soviet Union with good memory, God forbid, live to see its revival.

      Yes, in one form or another (I do not mean to live laughing ).
      There is simply no other alternative.
    7. veteran66
      veteran66 30 December 2015 20: 37 New
      -5
      Quote: apro
      God forbid, live to see his rebirth

      back to communism? God forbid!!
      1. Gato
        Gato 30 December 2015 22: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: veteran66
        back to communism?

        Young man, have you been there?
        1. veteran66
          veteran66 31 December 2015 17: 27 New
          0
          Quote: Gato
          Young man, have you been there?

          Well, if I'm a young man, how are you still alive, dad? Well, thank God, I survived these times.
          1. Gato
            Gato 31 December 2015 18: 07 New
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            Quote: veteran66
            how are you still alive, dad?

            Do not wait! am
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  3. Amurets
    Amurets 30 December 2015 06: 45 New
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    And I received a 2-ka for this date. There was a New Year euphoria and there was the last lesson of history before the New Year. The question is what day is tomorrow? Answered "HOLIDAYS" !!! Well, the historian slapped me a 2-ku. Spring on these exams for me " HOLIDAYS "remembered. I still remember this date. And the Soviet Union: this is our past. Good or bad, for whom it’s good for me.
  4. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 30 December 2015 06: 51 New
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    Thanks Roman for the article, good reminded..
    On December 30, 1922, a state was created in which we were born, lived, studied, and swore allegiance to him. Yes, we lost him, and that we lost there is a piece of everyone’s guilt.

    I agree with every word hi
    1. andj61
      andj61 30 December 2015 08: 11 New
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      Quote: afdjhbn67
      On December 30, 1922, a state was created in which we were born, lived, studied, and swore allegiance to him. Yes, we lost him, and that we lost there is a piece of everyone’s guilt.
      I agree with every word

      Why is this with every word? A referendum was held on March 17, 1991, 76,4% of the people said yes to the USSR. The overwhelming majority of the people were in favor of preserving the USSR, this decision about the collapse was made by a narrow group of conspirators who spit on the people. I do not think that everyone has a piece of guilt.
      However, paradoxically - the smallest number of votes "for" in percentage terms - 71,3% - then Russia gave ...
      http://ria.ru/infografika/20110317/344858037.html
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 30 December 2015 08: 48 New
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        Well, what actually has changed?
        Well, we were in the same state with the Uzbeks and Georgians, and right now - they are everywhere, they haven’t gone anywhere. What is sadness about?
        Your interest, I do not know where you got it. In any case, this data is unofficial. Based on your own Wishlist.
        1. andj61
          andj61 30 December 2015 09: 02 New
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          Quote: Cap.Morgan
          Your interest, I do not know where you got it. In any case, this data is unofficial. Based on your own Wishlist.

          Actually, I cited the official data provided by the referendum commission in the USSR. And these are not my Wishlist at all. There is a reference - go through it. Google it - and you will see the same numbers, but only in a slightly different form, maybe. And I remember them very well - I participated in the vote on March 17.03.1991, XNUMX.
          Here is another source for you:
          The message of the Central Referendum Commission of the USSR on the results of the referendum of the USSR on March 17, 1991 // Truth. - 1991 .-- March 27.
          1. Rezident007
            Rezident007 31 December 2015 05: 42 New
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            Quote: andj61
            Quote: Cap.Morgan
            Your interest, I do not know where you got it. In any case, this data is unofficial. Based on your own Wishlist.

            Actually, I cited the official data provided by the referendum commission in the USSR. And these are not my Wishlist at all. There is a reference - go through it. Google it - and you will see the same numbers, but only in a slightly different form, maybe. And I remember them very well - I participated in the vote on March 17.03.1991, XNUMX.
            Here is another source for you:
            The message of the Central Referendum Commission of the USSR on the results of the referendum of the USSR on March 17, 1991 // Truth. - 1991 .-- March 27.

            I.V. Stalin: "The main thing is not how they voted, but how they counted!" )))
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 30 December 2015 10: 17 New
          +5
          Quote: Cap.Morgan
          Well, what actually has changed?
          Well, we were in the same state with the Uzbeks and Georgians, and right now - they are everywhere, they haven’t gone anywhere. What is sadness about?
          Your interest, I do not know where you got it. In any case, this data is unofficial. Based on your own Wishlist.

          I regret that Ukraine and Belarus are torn off, the rest are not.
      2. Captain nemo
        Captain nemo 30 December 2015 11: 13 New
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        Quote: andj61
        True, paradoxical as it may seem, Russia gave the least number of votes in favor of a percentage - 71,3% - then

        Ukraine will be 1.1% smaller than Russia by 70.2%.
      3. alicante11
        alicante11 30 December 2015 16: 17 New
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        I do not think that everyone has a piece of guilt.


        But in vain do not think that the country should be protected not only at the ballot box, but if necessary, then go out into the street with a protest. Moreover, THEN it was possible, because the LAW was on our side, which means there were more chances that the security forces would be on the side of the people, and now, excuse me, speaking out against the oligarchs will be illegal and riot police will break the baton on our heads (and will right, they are paid money for this).
      4. Lekov L
        Lekov L 30 December 2015 18: 29 New
        +3
        However, paradoxically - the smallest number of votes "for" in percentage terms - 71,3% - then Russia gave ...

        Nothing paradoxical - by that moment Russia was very tired of hearing about how Ukrainians, Tajiks, Kazakhs, Georgians, Estonians, etc., “start” right after the invaders leave.
        And the occupiers have also dreamed that they would stop feeding them.
        Someone was right. Someone not.
        Russia is recovering poorly and slowly, but still ..
        And Square without Russian experts, as it is not all. Yes, and in Azerbaijan the same Azerbaijani as flies fly to the jam, although this is one of the best "former in the USSR".
        Here is a paradox!
        Sincerely ...
  5. Glot
    Glot 30 December 2015 06: 52 New
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    I remember. He studied, lived, served in the USSR. I can’t say anything bad about that country. This is a good past!
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 30 December 2015 06: 57 New
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      Quote: Glot
      I can’t say anything bad about that country.

      Yes, the Union, of course, was not ideal, but looking from now on to the past, the 70s seem to me the best time.
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 30 December 2015 10: 19 New
      +6
      Quote: Glot
      I remember. He studied, lived, served in the USSR. I can’t say anything bad about that country. This is a good past!

      Memories from childhood and youth are always good, so the Union of many is associated with something kind and dear, but the generation is slowly changing and the Union is forgotten, for example, I am proud of modern Russia, and then it will be even better, you'll see!
  6. Yak28
    Yak28 30 December 2015 07: 02 New
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    Of course, the collapse of the USSR is a tragedy, there are many reasons for this, and the good work of the Western special services, and the selfish goals of the top of the country, who could not shout at them with a lot of money. To break up the USSR, it was necessary to set people against the government, for this there was propaganda, which In the West, everything is better, a shortage of goods and food products in stores was artificially created. And as a result, part of the people supported the collapse of the country. KGB salesmen, authorities led by Gorbachev, the army finished off the country. Dozens of Soviet intelligence services did not go over to the side of traitors and were killed. they showed news of their "suicides" in the 90s. The party leaders of the republics wanted to be presidents, buy-outs and, as a result, supported the final collapse of the country.
    When the Soviet Union collapsed and Russia weakened, our "allies" in the form of the republics of the USSR began to survive Russians and pour mud on Russia. But the Russians fought for them, built their infrastructure, taught literacy, and some Asian republics generally came up with an alphabet and written language. "Allies" from the Warsaw Pact countries went even further, joined NATO, deployed US troops hostile to Russia on their territory, if they would have betrayed Russia during the war. You watch criminal news, 90% of crimes in Moscow are committed by former "brotherly" republics of the USSR. Personally, I no longer want an alliance with these traitors. Communism is an advanced ideology that has overtaken its time by 200 years, people do not understand what they had.
    1. Beaver
      Beaver 30 December 2015 08: 06 New
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      I am ready to agree with everything, except for two points:
      1. Not all of us have been betrayed, but friends are in trouble. Although in this case we should talk more about decency than about friendship. You just need to find out who is worth what.
      2. The word "communism" is better replaced by "socialism", since IMHO, communism is a goal, a dream, as unattainable as attractive. hi
    2. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 30 December 2015 09: 04 New
      -7
      We see communism in all its advanced form in the West, which is so unloved by the local elite.
      As they say, everything is for the glory of man. With freedom, with persecution of the church. There, after all, in power everywhere socialists are the ideological brothers of our communists.
      Who is the Frenchman Hollande? Socialist.
      And the brotherhood of nations there is present in all its glory. Even more so than in the USSR, where proud small nations applied for jobs. For a view. Since the proletarians were imported from Russia. It was necessary to raise the size of the native working class. In the West, it’s possible to drive a bastard like that.
      It is necessary to raise your country.
      At the expense of Russian resources, the Communists dragged the whole world. Without reckoning with either losses or costs.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 30 December 2015 10: 21 New
        +4
        Quote: Cap.Morgan
        At the expense of Russian resources, the Communists dragged the whole world. Without reckoning with either losses or costs.

        Plus you, really how much they swelled into the Socialist Camp and into the developing countries as a result, almost everyone forgave the debts, wrote off.
  7. Sars
    Sars 30 December 2015 07: 03 New
    +6
    Communists in the territory of the former Russian Empire cut into non-existent states under non-existent nationalities.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 December 2015 07: 20 New
      +6
      Quote: SarS
      Communists in the territory of the former Russian Empire cut into non-existent states

      And now they’re crying, but how so the country fell apart.
      1. andj61
        andj61 30 December 2015 08: 19 New
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: SarS
        Communists in the territory of the former Russian Empire cut into non-existent states

        And now they’re crying, but how so the country fell apart.

        Actually, this fully applies only to the republics that did not hold a referendum on the preservation of the USSR on March 17, 1991 - Armenia, Georgia (with the exception of Abkhazia), Moldova and the Baltic republics. And the decision on the collapse of the Union was made by three - Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich - and no one asked the opinion of the people or the communists. request In short - "three gathered in a dense forest - no one else lives in the Union!" hi
        1. 0255
          0255 30 December 2015 11: 23 New
          +4
          Quote: andj61
          And the decision on the collapse of the Union was made by three - Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich - and no one asked the opinion of the people or the communists. request In short - "three gathered in a dense forest - no one else lives in the Union!" hi

          Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich were also communists. Like the ex-acting President of Ukraine Turchiov, today's President of Lithuania Gribskunayte and many others. No need to idealize all communists.
          1. Mik13
            Mik13 30 December 2015 11: 51 New
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            Quote: 0255
            Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich were also communists. Like the ex-acting President of Ukraine Turchiov, today's President of Lithuania Gribskunayte and many others. No need to idealize all communists.

            And let's not confuse the Communists and members of the CPSU.

            The Communists of 30's - 40's and Yeltsin would not put a monument for 7 lards after death from old age, but a loop around his neck. Together with the whole warm company.
            1. andj61
              andj61 30 December 2015 12: 39 New
              +3
              Quote: Mik13
              And let's not confuse the Communists and members of the CPSU.

              good + 100500!
      2. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 30 December 2015 08: 59 New
        +9
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Now cry

        Let us cry - do not bother .. laughing
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 30 December 2015 10: 24 New
          +4
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Now cry

          Let us cry - do not bother .. laughing

          It’s time to finish mourning the Union, look into the future, into the future of Russia.
          1. vovanpain
            vovanpain 30 December 2015 11: 00 New
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            Quote: RUSS
            It’s time to finish mourning the Union, look into the future, into the future of Russia.

            Yes, we look Maxim, of course we look, only where should we put our memory. drinks
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 30 December 2015 12: 50 New
              +1
              Quote: vovanpain
              Quote: RUSS
              It’s time to finish mourning the Union, look into the future, into the future of Russia.

              Yes, we look Maxim, of course we look, only where should we put our memory. drinks

              I have not said that you need to forget something or just don’t return it to the past, you need to build a new country, we lost a lot in the 90s, we will catch up today!
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 30 December 2015 10: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: SarS
      Communists in the territory of the former Russian Empire cut into non-existent states under non-existent nationalities.

      They laid down a time bomb to us, so far since the 90th year it has "exploded."
    3. sa-ag
      sa-ag 30 December 2015 17: 09 New
      0
      Quote: SarS
      Communists in the territory of the former Russian Empire cut into non-existent states under non-existent nationalities.

      And then non-communists took and made a copy of the USSR from the unitary formation of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic and named it the Russian Federation, republics with limited sovereignty were formed inside, so you don’t have to blame everything on the communists to divert attention
  8. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 30 December 2015 07: 05 New
    +3
    December 30, 1922 a state was created,
    Well, on the one hand, our story, and on the other, a mine of separatism was laid, which tore 70 years later, tearing the country into 15 parts.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 30 December 2015 08: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Well, on the one hand, our story, and on the other, a mine of separatism was laid, which tore 70 years later, tearing the country into 15 parts.

      And it could have been at 16 if, on November 15, 1922, the FER did not merge with R.S.F.S.R.
      1. Captain nemo
        Captain nemo 30 December 2015 11: 58 New
        +4
        Quote: Amurets
        And it could have been at 16 if, on November 15, 1922, the FER did not merge with R.S.F.S.R.

        In the USSR there was a period when 16 republics really existed. I can’t name the dates, but when VDNH was being built, 16 girls from the number of republics were placed in the sculptural composition “Round dance of the Soviet Republics”. The 16th republic was the Karelian-Finnish SSR, but later, when in 1956 it became obvious that Finland would not be part of the Karelian-Finnish SSR, created in 1940 from the Karelian Autonomy, it was liquidated, just as it was created to the level of Autonomy with the deletion of the word "Finnish".
        Well, the "highlight" to this story. There is not a single photograph of the medal “For the capture of Helsinki,” but knowledgeable people claim that the government issued relevant decisions on the manufacture of these, and such were actually made, and subsequently, every single one was sent for re-melting.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 30 December 2015 12: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: Captain Nemo
          Well, the "highlight" to this story. There is not a single photograph of the medal “For the capture of Helsinki,” but knowledgeable people claim that the government issued relevant decisions on the manufacture of these, and such were actually made, and subsequently, every single one was sent for re-melting.

          It wasn’t customary to talk about the events of the 39th year in the Union, and even now a couple of lines about this in history books .....
        2. Amurets
          Amurets 30 December 2015 13: 17 New
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          Quote: Captain Nemo
          In the USSR there was a period when 16 republics really existed. I can’t name the dates, but when VDNH was being built, 16 girls from the number of republics were placed in the sculptural composition “Round dance of the Soviet Republics”. The 16th republic was the Karelian-Finnish SSR, but later, when in 1956 it became obvious that Finland would not be part of the Karelian-Finnish SSR, created in 1940 from the Karelian Autonomy, it was liquidated, just as it was created to the level of Autonomy with the deletion of the word "Finnish".

          I know about this. But those events are better read by Finnish authors. For the first time I read more or less in detail I read "Guns on Rails" by V. Bragin, there are links to Finnish authors and their work.
    2. andj61
      andj61 30 December 2015 08: 28 New
      +5
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      December 30, 1922 a state was created,
      Well, on the one hand, our story, and on the other, a mine of separatism was laid, which tore 70 years later, tearing the country into 15 parts.

      Evaluate what was done in 1922 must be comprehensive. The creation of the union republics then is a dice to national elites who already felt power in the period 1917-1922, and to the emerging national identity. And it was not the very existence of the republics that turned out to be a mine, but the republics' right to secede from the USSR, which was preserved both in the 1936 Constitution of the USSR and in the 1977 Constitution of the USSR, and the necessary changes were not made to the Constitution in the course of Gorbachev's reforms. The Baltic States first exercised this right - and the exit order was adopted AFTER the announcement of their withdrawal from the USSR.
      But, of course, the division of the USSR into a province-region instead of a union republic would contribute to the preservation of the country, but it would not at all guarantee this.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 30 December 2015 08: 39 New
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        Quote: andj61
        Evaluate what was done in 1922 must be comprehensive.

        Yes, at least how to evaluate, the result is that the drunk trio ruined the country.
        1. MrK
          MrK 30 December 2015 11: 12 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yes, even how to evaluate, the result is that the drunk trio ruined the country

          The recently published memoirs of V.F. We read: “Dinner began at about one in the morning (this is December 9 1991 of the year.). At the suggestion of Yeltsin, they drank only "Bialowieza ...
          In the midst of the feast, when the people already had little control over their behavior, the Chairman of the KGB of Belarus, Eduard Ivanovich Shirkovsky, approached me. Putting aside, he whispered: Vyacheslav Frantsevich, this is a real coup! I reported everything to Moscow, to the Committee ... I’m waiting for Gorbachev’s team ... After all, there is a fact of treason, betrayal, if you call a spade a spade. ”
          Further V.F. Kebich writes: “Alas, Moscow was silent. They simply could not report to Shirkovsky about the message to Gorbachev, I rule it out. ” Of course, they reported on the traitors to the main traitor. But he was silent
          .

          From the book of Alexander Kurlandchik “Damned Soviet Power” ... on Prose. RU.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 30 December 2015 16: 25 New
            +2
            Putting aside, he whispered: Vyacheslav Frantsevich, this is a real coup! I reported everything to Moscow, to the Committee ... I’m waiting for the Gorbachev team ...


            It was necessary to take everyone to the side and put it on the wall. If you already understood that a coup. Yes, at least from the personnel PM to decompose all. And so, either scared, or just shows off, but he did not understand anything.
        2. atos_kin
          atos_kin 30 December 2015 11: 53 New
          +5
          The collapse of the USSR is a shameful spot on the KGB of the USSR. They gave the drunken three the opportunity to drink the wrong "nectar." People from the Committee and their relatives still occupy key positions, not only in business.
        3. alicante11
          alicante11 30 December 2015 16: 23 New
          +4
          Yes, at least how to evaluate, the result is that the drunk trio ruined the country.


          And in February 17 was not the same? And without the "republics".
    3. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 30 December 2015 09: 29 New
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      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      tearing the country into 15 parts.

      Under the Russian Federation, another 21 mines were laid ... as if it didn’t.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 30 December 2015 10: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        tearing the country into 15 parts.

        Under the Russian Federation, another 21 mines were laid ... as if it didn’t.

        Well, not 21, but about 3 or 4. I mean some Caucasian republics and Tatarstan.
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 30 December 2015 11: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: RUSS
          Well, not 21, but about 3 or 4.

          Well, in general, it’s true, but in the event of a negative development of the situation, it will take on an avalanche-like character, too many princes and khans have grown .. in a moment from their constitutions the dust is brushed off and corrected, some articles that Putin forced to remove ..
    4. alicante11
      alicante11 30 December 2015 16: 22 New
      +1
      Well, on the one hand, our story, and on the other, a mine of separatism was laid, which tore 70 years later, tearing the country into 15 parts.


      It’s strange, it seems that there were no republics in the Empire, and as it began to fall apart, so did the Baltic states and Georgia, and the very Ukraine immediately became non-independent. At the same time, in the 41th, not one of the republics declared independence. Even the partisans who were under the Nazis fought underground. So the question is not territorial division, but the power of the state.
      1. Captain nemo
        Captain nemo 30 December 2015 17: 56 New
        0
        Quote: alicante11
        At the same time, in the 41st, not one of the republics declared independence.

        And for what, then, A Hitler sent S Bandera to a concentration camp if he did not say that Ukraine (now in 1941) is independent of at least the Bolsheviks, and, on some issues, it’s always ready to cooperate with Germany on the deportation of Poles from the territory Ukraine, well, and there with the Jews how to sort it out at your own discretion, not to the detriment of Germany?
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 30 December 2015 07: 51 New
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    But the red-headed dinosaurs (and they have a good memory) still remember this day... Yes, a dinosaur, yes I remember .. And I'm not going to spit in the past .. I’m not red-flagged ... they took the red flag .. they didn’t ask .. like the Motherland-USSR ... Everyone is happy on December 30 .. USSR EDUCATION DAY and Happy New Year ..
  10. linen
    linen 30 December 2015 07: 52 New
    +5
    Oh! we would have less to look into the ass of the USA, and rotten Europe! Honor the LAW AND HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY! For theft, but bribery and bureaucrats often shoot and plant! To think and do as much as possible for the economy, and therefore for the PEOPLE OF RUSSIA !!!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 December 2015 07: 54 New
      -2
      Quote: flax
      we would have less to look in the ass of the United States, but rotten Europe!

      Do you work as a proctologist? Change profession
  11. inkass_98
    inkass_98 30 December 2015 07: 59 New
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    Russia, in any of its forms, is an empire, otherwise it will not be Russia, but Muscovy, Tartarus, Siberia, and anything else. The USSR is the successor to the old empire, albeit in a truncated form, the present RF is an even more truncated successor to the USSR. Involuntarily, the question arises - is it not time, according to Lenin’s covenant (in order to unite, it is necessary to disconnect), to reunite their lands? There are only doubts about the economic feasibility of these actions, since during the 25 years of their "independence" almost all the former republics did everything to destroy what was built by Russians and non-Russians over decades of industrial development. It’s better to take care of yourself than the thankless suburbs. But the titular nation must be gathered at home, in this respect, little is done criminally, the "Russian map" has long matured.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 December 2015 08: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: inkass_98
      USSR - successor to the old empire

      Receiver, but only on paper. In fact, the empire was united, and the USSR divided the country into republics. The result was the collapse of the first crisis of power.
      1. Darkness
        Darkness 30 December 2015 08: 06 New
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        The empire also collapsed during the crisis of power.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 30 December 2015 08: 36 New
          +1
          Quote: Darkness
          The empire also collapsed during the crisis of power.

          She didn’t fall apart.
          1. Darkness
            Darkness 30 December 2015 08: 47 New
            0
            Yah? The Bolsheviks with great difficulty kept the country from collapse.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 30 December 2015 09: 21 New
              +2
              [quote = Gloom] Yes, well? The Bolsheviks with great difficulty kept the country from collapse. [/ Quote]
              [quote = Alexander Romanov]
              That is, the empire did not fall apart, but what about ...
              [quote = Gloom] Empire also collapsed [/ quote]
              I twist as I want lol
            2. RUSS
              RUSS 30 December 2015 10: 30 New
              +2
              Quote: Darkness
              Yah? The Bolsheviks with great difficulty kept the country from collapse.

              Maybe so, only unlike the Ryurokovichs and Romanovs, they did not keep the country for more than 70 years!
          2. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 30 December 2015 10: 02 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            She didn’t fall apart.

            I agree - it was transformed, but unfortunately with the same error of the USSR (autonomy)
      2. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 30 December 2015 10: 01 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Receiver, but only on paper.

        I agree unequivocally - the Bolsheviks had to preserve a unitary state .. they almost acted like Yeltsin "take sovereignty — as much as you want," and this mine has been laid under Russia for centuries ... Putin (for which I personally am grateful to him - during his passionarity in the early 2000s) it was only possible to stop the process, but not completely, to solve this big mistake ...
    2. Belousov
      Belousov 30 December 2015 09: 06 New
      +7
      Alas, now the authorities are pursuing a policy of open genocide of the titular nation. Here you can recall 282 tbsp. The Criminal Code, where only Russians are imprisoned (and the rest are so cute, fluffy, do not shoot on the streets, do not cut anyone, do not molest or harass anyone), there is a complete collapse of education, medicine. Go to any police station - at least half of the bosses are representatives of a non-titular nation who are not shy about pulling up their fellow tribesmen, which ultimately leads to a fusion of crime and the authorities.
    3. Belousov
      Belousov 30 December 2015 09: 06 New
      +4
      Alas, now the authorities are pursuing a policy of open genocide of the titular nation. Here you can recall 282 tbsp. The Criminal Code, where only Russians are imprisoned (and the rest are so cute, fluffy, do not shoot on the streets, do not cut anyone, do not molest or harass anyone), there is a complete collapse of education, medicine. Go to any police station - at least half of the bosses are representatives of a non-titular nation who are not shy about pulling up their fellow tribesmen, which ultimately leads to a fusion of crime and the authorities.
    4. RUSS
      RUSS 30 December 2015 10: 28 New
      +6
      Quote: inkass_98
      Russia in any of its hypostases is an empire, otherwise it will not be Russia, but Muscovy

      The word Muscovy was invented by the Psheks, so do not apply this name to my Motherland.
      Thank you.
    5. Captain nemo
      Captain nemo 30 December 2015 12: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: inkass_98
      USSR - successor to the old empire

      Not de jure and de facto the USSR was not the successor of the former Empire, and openly declared that it did not recognize royal debts, having renounced the "old world", excommunicated the tsarist monuments and symbols from the state. They did not disdain even to declare the "non-legitimacy" of those peace or demarcation treaties if they infringe upon the interests of the "working people" living in the neighborhood of Russia, which was immediately taken advantage of, for example, by "proletarian" China.
      If you try on the events of those days to today. What is now called the creation of the USSR, at that time was nothing more than the self-proclamation of an illegally created territorial entity. That is, like today's South Ossetia, Abkhazia, the DPR, LPR, Transnistria, etc. The USSR acquired its "legitimacy" in the "world community" only in 1924, but for such interested structures as Finland and Poland, of course, earlier. Well, something like we recognized Abkhazia and South Ossetia, but all the rest are not.
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  12. Ded_smerch
    Ded_smerch 30 December 2015 08: 03 New
    +8
    Happy birthday to all MOTHERLANDS!
  13. Darkness
    Darkness 30 December 2015 08: 08 New
    0
    The Red Army will come - there will be no mercy for anyone. (WITH)
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 30 December 2015 10: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: Darkness
      The Red Army will come - there will be no mercy for anyone. (WITH)

      Where will it come from? Through a temporary portal? laughing
  14. Yuri V
    Yuri V 30 December 2015 08: 22 New
    +1
    and I consider the former republics a burden for the whole of Russia and for the taxpayer everything that is done is for the best, Our best Friends ARMY AND NAVY !!! Happy All RUSSIANS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 30 December 2015 08: 48 New
      +3
      For starters, it would be nice to learn how to write the name of your country.
  15. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 30 December 2015 08: 26 New
    +1
    The place of one empire is always occupied by another, more adapted to survival in the new world.
  16. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 30 December 2015 08: 26 New
    +4


    Having removed their head, they do not cry through their hair. Let us recall friends, how it was!
    1. Captain nemo
      Captain nemo 30 December 2015 12: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: vladimirvn
      Having removed their head, they do not cry through their hair. Let us recall friends, how it was!

      You haven’t put that hymn, to today's date. Remembering their elementary classes, they forced me to sing a completely different anthem of the USSR, and it was called "International."
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 30 December 2015 22: 59 New
        -1
        Anthem of the USSR - International? What are you? Truth? How interesting. negative
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 31 December 2015 11: 31 New
          +2
          Quote: housewife
          Anthem of the USSR - International? What are you? Truth? How interesting. negative

          International (Fr. L'Internationale, from Latin inter - between and natio - nation) the official anthem of the RSFSR (1918-1944), USSR (1922-1944),
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  17. Million
    Million 30 December 2015 08: 35 New
    +8
    It’s good that we remembered this holiday of the penultimate day of the calendar
    1. Ragoz
      Ragoz 30 December 2015 09: 06 New
      +4
      Million, to your image of our coat of arms there are magnificent verses:
      In various ways the powers
      Coats of arms decorated their
      Here is a leopard, a double-headed eagle
      And the lion stands on its hind legs
      This is the custom was old
      To the state emblems
      Threatened neighbors face animal
      The grin of all your teeth.
      But not a leopard, not a lion, not a lioness
      Our coat of arms adorned ourselves
      A golden wreath of wheat
      Mighty hammer, sharp sickle.
      We do not threaten other nations
      We take care of the birthplace
      Where is the place under the sky
      For all who are honest
      Feeds on labor.
    2. atos_kin
      atos_kin 30 December 2015 15: 08 New
      +2
      Something like that
      1. Alena Frolovna
        Alena Frolovna 30 December 2015 20: 40 New
        +3
        or like this:

  18. Mangel olys
    Mangel olys 30 December 2015 08: 38 New
    +6
    Happy Birthday, MOTHERLAND!
    Long live the 93 anniversary
    from the day the USSR was formed!
  19. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 30 December 2015 08: 50 New
    14
    Born, raised, was a pioneer. I remember tomato juice for 10 kopecks, there was a plate with salt nearby ..) and what a delicious cream ice cream in cans of ice was) But the Soviet popsicle can’t be repeated ..) Over the years, something unpleasant fades, and the good becomes brighter. But WE WOULD BE Proud TO BE SOVIET.
  20. dkflbvbh
    dkflbvbh 30 December 2015 08: 51 New
    +4
    Quote: andj61
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: SarS
    Communists in the territory of the former Russian Empire cut into non-existent states

    And now they’re crying, but how so the country fell apart.

    In fact, this fully applies only to the republics that did not hold a referendum on the preservation of the USSR on March 17, 1991 - Armenia, Georgia (except for Abkhazia), Moldova and the Baltic republics. And the decision on the collapse of the Union was made by three - Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich - and the opinions of neither the people, no one asked the Communists. request In short - "three gathered in a dense forest - no one else lives in the Union!" hi


    And who ratified the Bialowieza conspiracy? The Supreme Council of the Russian Federation, where the majority were communists (led by Zyuganov).
  21. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 30 December 2015 08: 54 New
    +3
    This mine could lie for centuries if it had not been set on fire purposefully.
    In our country there are still many national territorial entities. So what? Let's wait until it breaks into another 20 parts?
  22. Dormidosha
    Dormidosha 30 December 2015 09: 30 New
    +2
    Yes guys! already the heart is compressed as you listen to the anthem of the USSR. And no matter how stale the heart would be, it softens with tender memories of past times, about childhood ... and is filled with bursting chest with pride in the GREAT and POWERFUL SOVIET UNION! Immediately roll memories of the five-year plans, the rest of the sea savages, hiking, guitars, bonfires ....... EH prosrali mediocre !!!!!!!!!!!! Now it is necessary for the children to restore at least the pale podcast of the past. to show how IT was !!!!!!
  23. lilian
    lilian 30 December 2015 09: 37 New
    +5
    And for the collapse of our common homeland, did Yeltsin erect a monument and did they make another center for Yeltsin?
  24. Ivan Tartugai
    Ivan Tartugai 30 December 2015 09: 41 New
    0
    Yes, we lost him, and that we lost, there is a piece of everyone’s guilt.

    Of course, there is the fault of every adult citizen of the former USSR.
    There were such “citizens” of the USSR who deliberately ruined the country, such as Gorbachev, Gaidar, Khakamada, Sobchak, Popov, Grachev and numerous, and many others like them, both at the union, republican, regional, and district levels, where there were their Gorbachevs, their Gaidars, their Chubais and numerous others like them.
    But there were those who let themselves be deceived, gave themselves to rob, who then paid for their credulity and for their inertness, but it was too late.
  25. summer
    summer 30 December 2015 10: 21 New
    +4
    SSSSSSR (!!!) - an outstanding paradox in history, which proved the fundamental possibility of a country “pulling itself by the hair” out of a swamp .. Together with a horse - fraternal republics.
    Having destroyed part and expelled from the country the remnants of the former elite, having survived both the intervention and the disastrous civil war, Russia in only 15-20 years overcame most of the post-war problems, on the one hand, and opened up new horizons of development, on the other.

    The "elite" of Russia at the beginning of the twentieth century was practically no different from the "elite" of Russia of the twenty-first century. Luxury, satiety, apathy for others, etc.
    Rome on the eve of its conquest by the barbarians.
    Will you now regret the shift of the cervical vertebrae of the “modern Russian elite”? That's it. Clinging tongues can only be directly affected by the mega-default of VOSR.

    “How exciting the evenings are in Russia” - “And Schubert's waltzes, and the crunch of French rolls.” Shader? Galevutsky .. Direct movie for pedagogues.

    The bloodletting of the 17-18th years somewhat sobered society, returning it from head to foot. Letting Russia escape the fate of Rome Caesars.

    The IVS overcame the confusion and vacillations of post-revolutionary fermentation in Russia, draining the excess yeast into the cesspool of history. The Zinovievs, Kamenevs, Trotsky, Bukharins and Pyatakovs fell "a victim of the brave" quite naturally.

    Someone, I will not specify who still refers IVS to the bloodiest tyrants - the ashes of hundreds, thousands, millions, billions, a myriad of "innocently murdered gentiles" beating in their hearts!

    Though..
    The small casket opened simply - "Gone the girl! They took them straight from the stall! ”!

    Some - I will not specify - have already managed to digest both the Wild West and the Far East.
    At the center of events is the GP! - World pantries of Siberia.

    And here dynastic, and religious, and ideological contradictions go by the wayside. You will not please everyone.
    For the greedy and predatory, the most important thing is prey. What would they call her.
    “You are not a dog, you are a chicken. I am not Korean, I am Jewish. ” Something like that.

    First of all, and precisely because, and only because, “llliberals” are so disliked by Stalin - they deprived “them” of an almost guaranteed jackpot.
    And that is precisely why Putin is so hated by them - for the second time in the last century, the Russian leader is leaving the trap, the wolf hole.
    That is why the leaders of New Khazaria hear the loudest orgasmic cries. There is no point here - solid emotions at the level of physiology. Frustration.

    I admit that not everything is so primitive. And there are pitfalls invisible to the eye. And even now we are “among hummocks and icebergs. We can understand this. Ten years as there is no life. All Icebergs, Vaysbergs, Eisenbergs, all kinds of Rabinovichi there. Verno Pryakhin (P ... in!) says .. "©

    Ilf and Petroff, if ..
  26. uskrabut
    uskrabut 30 December 2015 10: 43 New
    +8
    Put a minus, because I do not agree with "a piece of everyone’s guilt." So they like to say, those who are afraid of personal responsibility, it is easier to hide in the crowd. But since ancient times it is known that every trouble has a specific surname, name and patronymic.
    The top ... the Soviet Union, wanted to take power, to reign supreme without looking back, but the then ideology did not welcome this.
  27. Aleksander
    Aleksander 30 December 2015 11: 02 New
    +3
    On 30 of December 1922, a state was created in which we were born, lived, studied, and swore allegiance to him


    The state in which we were born, lived, studied, swore allegiance to him, was created over a thousand years ago. It was called Russia, Russia, and the USSR was one of its forms and, as it turned out, was far from the most successful. The roots of today's massacre on the Ruin were laid precisely then, 30.12.1922, when the Russian Novorossiya was against its will in a marginal misunderstanding.
    Of course, not everything was bad, but the division then made according to nationalities, and not provinces, was a grave mistake.
    1. Ajjh
      Ajjh 30 December 2015 12: 05 New
      -4
      Nightmare! and these people raise children ...
  28. Aleksandr1959
    Aleksandr1959 30 December 2015 12: 26 New
    +2
    I think many people will like this song.
  29. Aleksandr1959
    Aleksandr1959 30 December 2015 12: 29 New
    +3
    I found this poem on the net. Its author is Dietmarh.

    You cannot escape from yourself.

    You cannot escape from yourself: millions of invisible bonds
    They will not allow us to forget our childhood, even to those who ...
    Today I guys dreamed about the Soviet Union,
    And it seems to me that we said goodbye to the era too early.

    Let the "box" lie that the pores were freezing,
    That from the signs of the Masonic eaves were breaking over us -
    I mean that in our yard there were many friends,
    And that we went to our neighbors without a visa.

    Someone built and lived, someone stupidly looked at the fence,
    Someone was quietly oily, stuffing mattresses with currency,
    But from the distant overseas everyone heard the angelic choir,
    Although they explained to us that this is sung by s.

    It’s not that we wanted to leave - we just went outside,
    And she led into darkness, a curve path ran.
    I don’t know when the traitor and the thief appeared -
    It was visible among us, but until the time he stole a little,

    Left alone, he loomed through the window with a candle -
    And while we fought, obsessed with our own tongues,
    The enemy entered the waddle, pouring urine into the shrine
    And he sat down on the throne, swinging on undetails.

    Having dabbled in kingsises of "the elect of the world eL eM"
    After winding gigabytes of porn on advertising meters,
    We returned to ourselves, but not everyone had enough space ...
    We pissed off such a country - excuse me, mom!

    Are we, eyes downcast, pass side,
    We are silent - more tolerant than a sheep and more timid than a hare?
    Maybe at least for the last time we’ll habitually shake antiquity,
    In a tense struggle, tearing the eggs of the opponent?

    We have not cried hitherto, perhaps we shall not cry in the future, -
    Because of lesser resentment, wars sometimes begin.
    Who dares to live is not afraid to die in battle,
    The ballistic path to the enemy is measured out calmly.

    Let the neo-window scream in the House of Congress
    Let the "advocates of law" come out in hysteria,,
    But while on the rockets it says "To Washington,"
    The "NATO partners" are still short arms.

    Ukraine, rise up! New Russia, no longer rub!
    Returning home, brush off your dusty feet.
    Ukraine, understand - you are the sacred Ancient Russia,
    And not the bastards of the creature that stole the name of Europe.

    And when the Democrats of Sodom, caliphs for an hour
    We scream heart-rendingly: "Get cancer - live like people!"
    I’m funny because I remember how it was with us,
    And I want to believe it will definitely be!

    From the far berths the ships will go into the ocean,
    In distant orbits, plans will continue to move ...
    Yes, the book is over, but in the memory of our land
    The history of the world still has a sequel -

    There will be a wind in the foliage, a laugh of noon and midnight of joy,
    The sin will be sweet to us and the bitter repentance of the cup -
    It will be as always, it will be as it should be for those
    For whom is this a house, and not just a "moronic rush."

    Life will show whether we will hold the brotherhood together with centenary wine,
    Having finally figured out which side we are playing on,
    Or still, the Soviet Union, you will remain a dream,
    Converted to the past - a bright lost paradise,

    If to us, dissolved as salt in world rumor,
    Now - to the miserable sufferers and victims of treacherous wiles,
    Neither the strength in the hands, nor the brains in the head,
    To create something more grandiose in the groin.
    1. Mik13
      Mik13 31 December 2015 01: 24 New
      +2
      Well, since we are already talking in verse ...

      Guskov Alexey

      I heard a legend
      As if once
      This country was inhabited by giants.
      Like living
      Strange fate:
      Were ready for work and battle
      From lack
      Bread and meat
      They raved about Marx, Victory and Mars,
      Snow taiga
      Arctic gloomy,
      Bright stars over Baikonur
      Hot flame
      The bottomless bottomless ...
      They built mines, dams and blast furnaces.
      And they were mistaken
      And they won.
      Waiting for guests from an unthinkable distance.
      Through the cannonade
      Massacre of blood
      Rushed to collapse into tall grasses
      Blackened in the snow
      Into the water and into the clay ...
      Scarlet flag was hoisted over Berlin.
      We went from the collective farm
      Onion beds
      To the Olympics, Afghanistan, detente.
      Walked through patterns
      And the stencils
      They walked along carrying the planet
      Wrote in blood
      Good tale.
      Even their mistakes were gigantic.
      Believed, faith
      In the heart of cherishing
      In the infallibility of speeches from the Mausoleum,
      They knew that they were right
      Their sickle and hammer,
      They knew that the world was only split for a while,
      What is not forever
      Pain and sorrow ...

      But crushed. Alas, crushed ...
      Their descendants
      Timidly hiding
      In the musty silence of cabinet boxes
      Think standard
      They don’t rave about the distance
      Reduce credit lifelessly with debit
      Finely dream
      They rarely think ...
      There is nothing left of their ancestors in them.
  30. Ajjh
    Ajjh 30 December 2015 12: 36 New
    -10
    A quarter of a century has passed. but in the former country there are still aahs and oohs. But the main conclusion has not been made. Everyone blames the collapse of the Jews, then the West (EU + USA), then the phases of the moon, then specific people, such as Gorbachev ...
    you’ll start asking how it was in the union (I was born there myself, but I don’t remember him well) so it was such a time that it was just ah! everyone was in the world, friendship, chewing gum, conquered space.
    And you will start to dig deeper than the line, deficiency, general theft from the dvonrik inclusive, and higher. And only those who sit high enough live well. Generally not for me to tell you. this is still the 37th do not remember
    The union died in his deed. Draw conclusions and move on, forget like a nightmare
    PS
    it is correct that the Communists were banned in Ukraine. There is a sense in this
    1. summer
      summer 30 December 2015 13: 37 New
      -1
      The state is a "common boiler." I put it there, get it from there. Let less, but get it.

      You can blame the Soviet Union from two positions - from the current pepsikolshchikov, who give right now, everything can be without bread.

      Or from those who "built communism" with gray hair until their gray hair, and held the other in their pockets and twisted the bullets .. Or periodically took it out to fill the sand in the axle boxes.

      The second usually is the “professional” flag flaps - banner, songwriters of Khymn, and swearing that the Constitution of the CPSU, the Bible, the Koran, the Torah .. Sorry, Tanakh ... I’m not so competent in Belarussian "religions.

      Or a third, mundane variant, suddenly struck by a dust bag from around the corner in the closet.

      This is a theme for - “My Homeland is the USSR”. For those who have their homeland - the anus, throat, Mesopotamia, Belarus, Judea and Samaria - look for a different platform for your dance ..

      it is correct that the Communists were banned in Ukraine. There is a sense in this


      Not only in this sense. And Cromwell was right. Both Robespierre and Danton. And your revered brothers Maccabees .. And Jesus .. But the one that is Nun. Yes?

      Ajjh .. Residence - Minsk? Cool!
      Still krucci - Fashington!

      More in the closet no-no .. Good advice.
      1. Ajjh
        Ajjh 30 December 2015 15: 08 New
        -1
        What was it?? What kind of stream of consciousness ... ??
  31. Support
    Support 30 December 2015 12: 48 New
    0
    The USSR is my Motherland! The USSR is not a paradox, but the logical development of society on Earth (in short). And having killed the USSR, the Society on Earth took a huge step back. Hence all the troubles and problems throughout Sharik. The main goal in Russia should be - the return of the principles on which the USSR lived and developed (whoever quacks about stagnation - he’s on the “red” face with his foot). Otherwise, the khan to us - the Jewish banking gang will sooner or later strangle Russia.
  32. Support
    Support 30 December 2015 13: 42 New
    0
    Ha, minus the fuckers ... right. The time will come, you will also start to fight .....
  33. O_s_c_a_R
    O_s_c_a_R 30 December 2015 13: 52 New
    0
    Let me repeat it.
    The USSR destroyed capital.
    Yes, the very one about which the Communists spoke to us, which Marx described in the work of the same name.
    The very capital acquired by "overwork" by deceit, miscalculation, body kit, bribery, financial fraud, theft, bribery, everyone can continue the list.
    “Since banknotes are in circulation in the country, then there are people who have a lot of these banknotes” - is a familiar saying? "Golden Calf" through the mouth of Bender about Koreiko, I hope you remember.
    And what about "capital for the sake of profit of 300%, ready for any crime"
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  34. Ajjh
    Ajjh 30 December 2015 15: 04 New
    -12
    Most people who advocate returning to the union most likely simply did not find themselves in a new life, so it seems to them that it was better there. or they didn’t know anything else, but during that time they couldn’t find out. 25 years have passed !! generation!! and remained there - in the past ... horror!
    Another very interesting question, do you know a lot of Americans personally? where did you hate this country from? Have you been to her? or is all knowledge taken from kisselTV and Brother 1/2?
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      1. RUSS
        RUSS 30 December 2015 15: 31 New
        +4
        Quote: summer
        Husband, did you just stupidly take place like a thief?

        That is, in your opinion, the one who took place in present-day Russia is that thief?
        1. summer
          summer 30 December 2015 15: 42 New
          -1
          Well, what can I say?
          Not everyone is greedy
          How can I get such a condition?
          - Necessarily need capital. At least a small, starting one.
          - And how to get start-up capital?
          “You definitely need a gun.” At least a small, starting one.

          each ram hangs by its leg.
          One in a hundred is not a thief.
          he was simply made the "face" of an equal opportunity society
          repeat
    3. RUSS
      RUSS 30 December 2015 15: 30 New
      -2
      Quote: Ajjh
      Most people who advocate returning to the union most likely simply did not find themselves in a new life.

      Rather yes than no.
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      1. RUSS
        RUSS 30 December 2015 16: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: Private27
        you please spread verbal diarrhea in your Bulbashia. And then ** was born in the USSR ** WHAT THERE WAS NOT REMEMBER but all thieves.

        Private 27, and then you yourself? The flag on your avatar is Americanos.
    5. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 30 December 2015 16: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: Ajjh
      Most people who advocate returning to the union most likely simply did not find themselves in a new life, so it seems to them that it was better there. or didn’t know anything else

      Well, what’s not worse is for sure
      Quote: Ajjh
      Another very interesting question, do you know a lot of Americans personally? where did you hate this country from? Have you been to her? or is all knowledge taken from kisselTV and Brother 1/2?

      I personally poop on tack, evenly without hatred yes
  35. O_s_c_a_R
    O_s_c_a_R 30 December 2015 15: 24 New
    +3
    Quote: summer
    Listen .. astyn .. Yes?

    There is such a thing - banality.

    Astyn. Yes?

    If chiba sychaz has come, it doesn’t mean that fsoch sychaz has come ..

    It used to be at the ABC level.

    If you want to open someone’s eyes - in a kindergarten, school or university (present).

    I am glad that such truths become, in spite of everything, accessible to the masses .. soldier


    Once upon a time there was a troll tchk
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 30 December 2015 15: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: O_s_c_a_R
      Once upon a time there was a troll tchk
    2. summer
      summer 30 December 2015 16: 00 New
      0
      Not a point - a comma.

      Nehren discoveries of America to commit.

      Through the window.

      Although.
      Fuck you fucking understand today?

      Rubik's Cube - WAY.
      A mabila - like from the Lord God went.

      What's inside the phone is a piece of stone and some glass for you.
      1. summer
        summer 30 December 2015 16: 06 New
        +2
        I will prompt. Inside the bastard bastard, you are sitting a little old man Hottabych.

        The price of any “bastard you” depends on the age of the gin - the younger the gin, the higher the price of the “vessel”.
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 30 December 2015 16: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: summer
        Not a point - a comma.

        Nehren discoveries of America to commit.

        Through the window.

        Although.
        Fuck you fucking understand today?

        Rubik's Cube - WAY.
        A mabila - like from the Lord God went.

        What's inside the phone is a piece of stone and some glass for you.


        What are we using?
        1. summer
          summer 30 December 2015 16: 46 New
          0
          Are you a mushroom specialist?

          I envy you - even in a crisis you will not remain without work.

          Only the esli at the moment stuck out - the mushrooms would definitely not help here.
          Get in touch later - after Baptism.
          Although, to you, malanians, sho baptism, sho Christmas.

          Usy is within the framework of your Mendelian law.

          Shalom
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 30 December 2015 18: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: summer
            Are you a mushroom specialist?

            I envy you - even in a crisis you will not remain without work.

            Only the esli at the moment stuck out - the mushrooms would definitely not help here.
            Get in touch later - after Baptism.
            Although, to you, malanians, sho baptism, sho Christmas.

            Usy is within the framework of your Mendelian law.

            Shalom


            Here you really gawls, and yet under what ah? What are you throwing at?
  36. Ajjh
    Ajjh 30 December 2015 15: 50 New
    0
    Husband, did you just stupidly take place like a thief? Or ponty pound? Or didn’t take place at all? Who are you presenting to?

    99,9% of the "held" simply robbed and robbed the nearby. Neighbors and relatives.
    I do not quite understand thieves' jargon, so I ask you to communicate in normal language. And why if a person is rich, then that means a thief? why not immediately a rapist?

    Who is this? Role Model? From comic book heroes?
    No, the fact is that most people who want others do not really know much about them. I have friends both Yankees and Jews. And I don’t understand why people have such a fierce hatred of them
    1. summer
      summer 30 December 2015 16: 12 New
      -2
      I do not quite understand thieves' jargon, so I ask you to communicate in normal language.

      Well, there is such a thing. Torn from the soil of the Motherland is obviously an outsider.
      Here or -or.

      Or take off the cross, or put on your underpants.

      and I do not present special requirements for the IQ of the interlocutor.
      After all, he said - there are platforms for informals, non-traditional orientation. There will be approvals for you. Believe me.
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  37. summer
    summer 30 December 2015 16: 19 New
    0
    99,9% of the "held" simply robbed and robbed the nearby. Neighbors and relatives.

    on this topic to talk there is no desire and opportunity?
    “Ours are beaten”?
    Well, everything is as usual - frostbitten
  38. Captain nemo
    Captain nemo 30 December 2015 19: 39 New
    0
    Someone from ours / yours said "do not judge, ye will not be judged"
    Lie “judge and only then you will not be judged” - well, think for yourself how you can consider yourself “not convicted” if I, having the courage / impudence, took and condemned you for not engaging in a dispute with me, and surrendered Your tacit consent to me without a fight?
    Now take Gorbachev's “collapsed USSR” and put ourselves in its place in the 2nd decade of December 1991.
    What do you have :
    0) 1990 New Year's greetings to MS Gorbachev, where he says that 1990 according to the plans of the CPSU was planned as the most difficult in terms of "perestroika", but the next 1991 will definitely be better than 1990 (-)
    1) Spring referendum of 1991 on the preservation of the USSR. (+)
    2) August "putsch" of the State Emergency Committee against signing the renewed union of "sovereign republics" (-)
    3) The referendum of Ukraine in the first decade of December 1991 on the withdrawal from the not yet signed "updated union". (-)
    4) Bialowieza (-)
    - Now let's assume the most unlikely - we put ourselves in the place of Gorbachev.
    We calculate in Gorbachev’s head the option of the arrests of Yeltsin, Kravchuk, Shushkevich - all the more so because there is a reason for this, because they reduced the whole “collapse” to Reagan because it was not possible to agree with the “center” Gorbachev-Ryzhkov while in August before the GKChP the spring expression of the will of "their people", all three of them agreed perfectly with each other, but then suddenly there wasn’t. And these are not trifles at all as you can count from the first glance, this is nothing more than a change in your views on the same thing, and if it's just that betrayal and betrayal of everything that you said earlier.
    Point "0" - yes, God took off, I wanted the best, but friends let us down, and few people will blame you for this. Point "2" - external circumstances that you could not foresee, also not a great sin, but really dangerous for your life, but you are ready to sacrifice yourself for others. Point "3" is a dead end! Because even if I arrest the whole three, you can’t arrest the results of the Ukrainian referendum, and the collapse of the union has already begun, and they have vryat someone you prove that Yeltsin and Shushkevich were the same initiators as Kravchuk of this ukrereferendum directly opposite to the spring.
    Item “4” means little after item “3”, Ukraine is not in a renewed union and according to the Constitution of the USSR, article 72, he will have to let her go, like the Baltic before.
    What's next ? The exit of the Central Asian republics from the "updated union"? Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, definitely not. Turkmenistan can be. Azerbaijan most likely also follows Ukraine. It is difficult to decide with Belarus, most likely I would have looked what will happen next.
    Well, and who is to blame for the "collapse"? Gorbachev - so he is a consequence of the betrayal of the people of Ukraine, and not only the Hetman Ukraine with its "originality" of 1654, but also the one that she very easily got in the fall of 1917 due to New Russia and Slobozhanshchina with the capital in the "renewed" Ukraine in Kharkov, including votes living Russians there.
    And what made them so drastically change their minds - GKChP?
    No, it’s not him, his own fear of not understanding what is happening, exactly the same as before the NKVD at the time, and you can always find a whipping boy “Gorbachev” if you always try to forget about what has already happened before the alleged “collapse” of the Ukroreferendum.
  39. muzhik
    muzhik 30 December 2015 20: 19 New
    +1
    I would give a lot for the right to end up in the USSR.
  40. Besmaster
    Besmaster 30 December 2015 22: 07 New
    +3
    The arguments of supporters and opponents of the union flow from one forum and site to another, the same thing is everywhere. Opponents of the Union are talking about empty shelves or gray ugly clothes. About undeveloped and uncomfortable life. You, dear ones, simply do not understand the essence. Those who longingly recall the union do not at all advocate the return of all life in 100% of the volume. No one requires everyone to urgently remove the plastic windows and insert the wooden back. People yearn for power, flag, symbols, songs, power, the general idea. The USSR needed reforms - but only if reforms are carried out by patriots, then China is obtained from a socialist state, and if traitors are made, then Yeltsin Russia. Read how Den Xiaoping’s reforms began in China, how capitalism was admitted carefully and without allowing the country to be plundered. And we could have the same. The USSR could exist now, be a capitalist country under the leadership of the party and people. And the most important thing is the loss of territories; it cannot be justified by any system and way of life. The USSR will return, it will be called differently, but it will return as a Just State for the many peoples of Eurasia. But this was the main thing. Happy founding of the USSR! Glory to the Great Union! Glory to the people of the Victor!
  41. Selevc
    Selevc 31 December 2015 00: 06 New
    +6
    There are two main reasons for the collapse of the USSR - this is the betrayal of the elites and the work of Western intelligence agencies ... Everything else is just the background on which the events took place ... And modern liberals, saying that the USSR seemed to be doomed or about a fatal oil game, again impudently lying background for the reasons !!!


    The USSR didn’t collapse on its own, they brought it down — and failed only with a second attempt !!!
    It was impossible to destroy the USSR simply by tearing one republic or territory from the Union ... And then one but grandiose trick was invented - all this dirty fuss with the seemingly declaration of independence of the RSFSR ... Independence from whom? From yourself? This is not even funny !!! A powerful blow was inflicted, separating the metropolis from the outskirts in one fell swoop !!!

    Behind all the events in the USSR of the late 80s called Perestroika are Western political technologies (advanced at the time of the end of the 80s) - this is all freedom of speech, publicity and a massive talking room - this did not happen all by itself ...
    Let us recall the methods of work of Stalin - the leader usually silently listened to the speakers, smoked and thought, and already based on the data received, a balanced decision was made collegially !!!
    Let’s remember the congresses of the Gorbachev era - everyone speaks from the high stands - they speak for days, months, years ... But no one listens to anyone ... A special information chaos is created behind the veil of which secretly destructive decisions are made for the country ... This is called undercover work ... These are suicidal decisions, no one in their right mind in the country would ever make, and nevertheless they are advancing hidden by the veil of Glasnost ... Everything ended with the ridiculous putsch theater !!!
    In short, Perestroika is an operation covering the collapse of the USSR, and for example, the Ukraine project (launched immediately after the collapse of the USSR) covers the looting and destruction of a huge piece of the former USSR !!!
  42. Severok01
    Severok01 31 December 2015 00: 41 New
    +3
    It was interesting to live and our country was respected!
  43. nail
    nail 2 January 2016 22: 27 New
    +1
    Only a madman will destroy the house in order to rearrange the partition. It was possible to easily provide the people with everything necessary, especially since the State Reserve warehouses and other wholesale bases were packed to capacity, which he saw for himself, as he had been supplied from there more than once. . Everything was planned and executed by the fifth column and betrayal of the KGB led by Andropov, who managed to introduce traitors into the Politburo of the CPSU.
  44. sergei44442222
    sergei44442222 7 January 2016 15: 18 New
    0
    Glory to the USSR!
  45. den-protector
    den-protector 10 November 2016 16: 32 New
    +1
    In 1991, the thief took revenge. Who the main bourgeoisie and politicians are with us now are the former party and Komsomol functionaries who replaced more than one political party. In due time V.I. Lenin aptly called such figures political prostitutes.