30 December. Our Motherland is the USSR!

The date is not round, and there is not much to say about it. But red-clad dinosaurs (and they have a good memory) are still remembered on this day. It is remembered, not commemorated.

Commemorated - this is ever good, or nothing. And there is a certain reason.

We remember what we remember. Both bad and good. Here everyone has his own. But we remember, which means that the years lived in the huge Soviet Union country were not lived in vain.

Memory is such a thing ... complicated. Over the years, everyone rethinks what has been lived in the light of years gone by. But we have something to remember.

The list of names and events is different for everyone. I will not even try to give at least a couple of examples. I just say - we all have something to remember and keep in that part of the memory where good and good are stored.

Congratulations, of course, not with anything. It is rather a reminder. A reminder of the event with which each of those born in the USSR is connected in one way or another.

30 December 1922 was created the state in which we were born, lived, studied, swore allegiance to him. Yes, we lost it, and in that we lost, there is a bit of guilt of everyone.

But we remember, and it costs a lot.

Comments

[apro]

Let us recall the Soviet Union with good memory, God forbid, live to see its revival.

[SRC P-15]

30 December 1922 was created the state in which we were born, lived, studied, swore allegiance to him. Yes, we lost it, and in that we lost, there is a bit of guilt of everyone.

I completely agree that in the collapse of the USSR there is a piece of guilt of every resident of that Great country. It seems to me that the reason was our carelessness, calmness, a quiet measured life. No one had the idea that their beloved country would fall apart, this was not even discussed. And suddenly this. Could this happen to a country, for example, in the 50s? - Hardly. At that time, the people were still living a difficult life - at an accelerated pace, they were restoring the national economy that had been destroyed by the war and, despite the difficult life, it was impossible to push it to the collapse of the country. But in the 90s, this became possible precisely thanks to our carelessness, the belief that only good and the west are our friend. Well, what kind of west is a friend, we saw immediately after the collapse of the USSR. I think we got the vaccine and repeat the same with Russia, the United States and others like it are unlikely to succeed.
Well, those who loved and continue to love the USSR - Happy Birthday to the Great Country!

[0255]

Quote: SRC P-15

I completely agree that in the collapse of the USSR there is a piece of guilt of every resident of that Great country. It seems to me that the reason was our carelessness, calmness, a quiet measured life. No one had the idea that their beloved country would fall apart, this was not even discussed.

They live well in the USA, their standard of living was much higher than the Soviet one, why don't they fall apart from a rich life, as various "onolitegs" promise us? Maybe it was the corrupt elite?

[Cat]

Quote: 0255

their standard of living was significantly higher than the Soviet

The average standard of living. Life on credit.
Just like now. For example, I am the owner of an apartment and a country house - I do not rent them and do not rent them. Of course, they are somewhat worse than many American ones, but they are mine. I do not have mortgages and I do not pay interest. And my children (if they are not fools) will not owe anything to anyone either.

[AFS]

Happy All Friends!

[Gomunkul]

It seems to me that the reason was our carelessness, calmness, a quiet measured life.

None of the ordinary citizens expected that the betrayal would be on top. Everyone believed in the power of the KGB, but it won’t work out.

[Talgat]

The referendum showed that the vast majority was for the preservation of the USSR

On the other hand, in addition to the betrayal of Gorbachev Yakovlev and other Judas, except for US pressure and low oil prices - all the same, Soviet people lost their understanding of the situation - there was a massive craziness - pro-Western moods went wild - everyone wanted chewing gum and jeans

In fact, now, after the horrors of the collapse of the 90s, after the catastrophe of mass impoverishment and devastation, the population of both Russia and other republics has "sober up"

The west, destroying the USSR, whose citizens loved and worshiped him, got a huge territory inhabited by people hostile

[kuz363]

Of course, a contradiction. The people in the referendum were for the safety of the USSR. But the leading leadership of all the republics of the USSR was against it. They probably knew that the only way they could enrich themselves without the instructions of Moscow. Usually all the blame is placed on the trinity of Belovezhskaya Pushcha. Yes, most of the blame is on them. But do not forget how Gorbachev behaved when special services reported on the gathering in Belarus. And he was afraid to arrest them on the spot. Well, how straightforwardly indecisive Yanukovych. And the deputies of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR ratified the Bialowieza Agreement. Although it seems like the chosen people were. It turns out that then and now the chosen people do not represent their real interests.

[Cat]

Quote: kuz363

And he was afraid to arrest them on the spot.

Naive judgment. Gorbachev simply could not do anything, even if he really wanted to. A leader does not cost anything without a team - and a BIG SIGN $ has already loomed in front of the team

[Cat]

Quote: Talgat

Gorbachev's betrayals

The main traitor was EBN. It was he who wanted to be "the king of all Russia." More precisely, the king of anything.

[denkastro]

Come on, many were running around looking for jeans and other trinkets, and the word "SOVOK" was a swear word. It was also someone who betrayed us. We ourselves betrayed ourselves, exchanged the Union for beads.

[Cat]

Quote: Gomunkul

Everyone believed in the power of the KGB

Come on, after multiple "reinforcements" of the KGB by party cadres, and especially after the creation of the 5th GU, no one particularly believed.

[Resident007]

The USSR is the only empire that fell apart from an external enemy. In order not to paint everything, I will say just one phrase of one CIA officer: "... figuratively - we just took the entire top of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union for salaries .." That's it, "my gifts ..")))

[veteran66]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

in the collapse of the USSR there is a piece of guilt of every resident of that Great country.

yeah, to whom this time to apologize? Well, just like Leah Akhedzhakova)))) Personally, I do not feel any guilt before anyone.

[bondarenko]

... and you can’t leave your sons behind, even a little, because they have their own sons growing up!

[avva2012]

The country could only be destroyed from above. And they destroyed it. I wonder what the main ideologist of the USSR, Suslov, was doing? When in the early 80s in schools there were written on a notebook sheet, "we will remind you 41 years old, heil ..." And, this was written by 7th grade schoolchildren. On the street, the boys wore custom-made caps that looked like Wehrmacht hats. Has anyone seen this upstairs? Ha. And, courtyard gangs, fights are not just district to district, but with the use of "bombs", electrodes. And the ideology, inside, is not at all Soviet. Why, no one saw it? Lies, they saw. The USSR destroyed the upper ones. Who, history, will sooner or later name their name. Shame on them and dishonor forever! And it is not necessary, someone else's responsibility for their own actions, to extend to everyone. Not us, you destroyed the Country. And, sooner or later, your names will be known! Burn in hell!

[Nikolay K]

Actually, the USSR is the remnants of the Russian Empire gathered together, although without Poland, Finland and many other territories. Yes, we had a great state, which we destroyed in the 1991 year, but our ancestors created it for centuries, and not with a stroke of the pen in the 1922 year.

[Boos]

Leftovers? East Prussia and South Sakhalin, the Kuril Islands? Give tribute to Generalisimus!

[Nikolay K]

In 1922, Koenigsberg and South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands were not part of the USSR. Yes, in the 1945 year, these areas became part of the Union thanks to the feat of our people and, unfortunately, at the cost of the death of more than 20 million people. Because losing territories is always easier than getting them back.

[RUSS]

Quote: Boos

Leftovers? East Prussia and South Sakhalin, the Kuril Islands? Give tribute to Generalisimus!

And you can’t argue with that, but Nikolay K in the previous comment is right.

[Lekov L]

Leftovers? East Prussia and South Sakhalin, the Kuriles? Give credit to Generalisimus!

And the ancestors and monarchs and generalissimo-they multiplied the motherland.
Do not share the story: it is all ours, and we all grew out of it.
We must be proud of the country and analyze the difficult moments of its life in order to avoid it.
Something like this.
Respectfully..

[RUSS]

Quote: Nikolai K

Actually, the USSR is the remnants of the Russian Empire gathered together, although without Poland, Finland and many other territories. Yes, we had a great state, which we destroyed in 1991

Everything is true, and historically, it is strange why you are minus?

[Cat]

Quote: RUSS

why are you being minus?

Some believe that all these territories are not worth the sacrifice. And that "democratic values" are more expensive.
I don’t relate myself to some of these, I hope you too

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: Nikolai K

, although without Poland, Finland and many other territories

are there any others? without Alaska or what?

Quote: Nikolai K

Actually, the USSR is the remnants of the Russian Empire gathered together,

Have you seen the globe before the 91st year?
In terms of grandeur, power and territory, there was no such second one on planet Earth.

[RUSS]

Quote: PHANTOM-AS

Have you seen the globe before the 91st year?
In terms of grandeur, power and territory, there was no such second one on planet Earth.

Comrade Phantom-ace on the globe that you presented depicts the USSR together with the countries of Europe, the "Warsaw Pact", China and Mongolia

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: RUSS

You presented the USSR along with the countries of Europe, the "Warsaw Pact", China and Mongolia

And where do you see the contradictions?

[RUSS]

Quote: PHANTOM-AS

Quote: RUSS

You presented the USSR along with the countries of Europe, the "Warsaw Pact", China and Mongolia

And where do you see the contradictions?

You write that- "
Have you seen the globe before the 91st year?
In terms of grandeur, power and territory, there was no such second one on planet Earth."
That is, you assume the USSR, and on the globe, that you posted not only the USSR, but also other social countries.

[Cat]

Quote: RUSS

on the globe

It’s like a globe of influence. And what is wrong?

[Vend]

Quote: apro

Let us recall the Soviet Union with good memory, God forbid, live to see its revival.

Not worth it. Not everything was good in the USSR. So the USSR is the past, but the future needs to be built. You can take good from the USSR, and leave the bad in the past. Erdogan also seeks to revive the Ottoman Empire, Germany also seeks to revive the empire, Poland too. Let the past be remembered.

[Alena Frolovna]

How do you want to return to the past -
Go through the time barrier.
Bring back then golden time -
Suddenly wake up in the USSR.
To return everything dear to the heart:
Actors, holidays, movies.
It was all like a native
Life was so simple and easy.
Three pennies "soda",
In the cinema "popsicle"
Those jokes about Vovka,
That "cervelat" and "milk."
Parades, songs, Komsomol members.
"Afonya", Shurik, Moscow ...
Those birthdays, feasts.
All that human kindness!
As pulls, sometimes, the past.
That security and peace
Like childhood, warm, dear
On forever in human memory.
Forgive me, modern age
Your interior is not to your liking
After all I'm so ordinary
Born in USSR.

[Ajjh]

Here is a good idea!

[Fox]

Quote: Wend

Not everything was good in the USSR

Well, at least enlighten, who lived in the USSR, what wasn’t good? Otherwise, they all just nod with their mane, but they can’t mumble intelligible and sensible ...

[Vend]

Quote: Fox

Quote: Wend

Not everything was good in the USSR

Well, at least enlighten, who lived in the USSR, what wasn’t good? Otherwise, they all just nod with their mane, but they can’t mumble intelligible and sensible ...

I also lived in the USSR. Well, for example, if you remember, the broadcasts from space, before cooperation with Japan, were simply terrible. And I also advise you to remember how they wanted to destroy the Airborne Forces, emphasizing that everything decides the rocket. Also remember the Soviet stores, with half-empty shelves. And when sausages or sausages were brought, the slogan in the queue was "no more than one kilogram per person." And also remember the price of Soviet Zhiguli cars 3500, with a common man's salary of 120 - 160 rubles. Color TVs costing 300 rubles. I also advise you to remember how they lived in the closed north in the beams, for the uninformed I will tell you that this is a carriage standing on bricks, in which people live. I advise you to remember the virgin lands. One must have a memory, no shorter than a sparrow's nose.

[RUSS]

Quote: Wend

And also remember the price of Soviet cars Lada 3500

Still had to wait for their turn.

[Vend]

Quote: RUSS

Quote: Wend

And also remember the price of Soviet cars Lada 3500

Still had to wait for their turn.

All true.

[Talgat]

Under the USSR, the standard of living approached the western. Remember medicine, education, light industry, and so on and so forth.

Everything collapsed during the collapse. Read Kara Murza - pure statistics - after destroying the USSR, people began to eat meat in 5 times less, stopped drinking milk, oils of other products in 7 began to eat less, stopped eating bread, electricity, etc., etc.

They became impoverished, left without the education of medicine - the kindergartens turned into warehouses for "thieves of businessmen"

Power was seized by "seven bankers" which even Russian people can hardly be called

Women on the panel, men in bandits

[MrK]

Quote: Talgat

Under the USSR, the standard of living approached the western. Remember medicine, education, light industry, and so on and so forth.

I agree. The same figures are given by Alexander Kurlyandchik in his book "Damned Soviet Power" ... on Proza ru.

[alicante11]

Well, for example, if you recall, broadcasts from outer space, before cooperation with Japan, were simply terrible.

Well, the Japanese did not immediately become "not terrible". It's just that it is more important to whom, to whom the picture is on TV, and to whom free healthcare.

And also I advise you to remember how they wanted to destroy the airborne forces, emphasizing that the rocket is everything.

There have always been military reforms. And not only in the USSR. By the way, they did not destroy it.

Also remember the Soviet stores, with half-empty shelves. And when they brought sausage or sausages, the slogan in the queue "no more than one kilogram per person"

Well, half-empty shelves are already the end of the 80s - after the catastrophe. You are completely right about sausage, but you could buy it, and now not everyone can afford it. And so, somehow it turned out that "there are not in stores, but on the table", and we were not at all a party nomenclature and not trade workers.

Color TVs worth 300 rubles.

Well, now there are one hundred thousand televisions. So what? For those times, color TV was as high-tech as 3-d plasma is now.

And also remember the price of Soviet Lada 3500 cars, with the salary of an ordinary person in 120 - 160 rubles.

Yes, there are a lot of cars, however, this is somehow basically "second" after foreigners. And the new one is, perhaps, in the same proportion.

I also advise you to remember how they lived in the closed north in beams, for the ignorant I will tell you, this is a car standing on bricks in which people live.

Well, remember how much these people received. After all, everyone had a choice, or you work warmly and comfortably in the city for 150-200 rubles, or in the north for 500-1000 rubles (if you look at Tynda, for example). And now, on the contrary, those who sit in a cozy office receive money in bags, and those who work on them receive a penny, with rare exceptions, if it’s a very scarce specialty like an automatic welder in pipelines.

I advise you to recall the virgin soil.

And what did they drive by force? People made their own choices. And then I can remember how Petersburg was built, how many bones in the swamps were left at the same time.

[Vend]

Quote: alicante11

Well, let’s suppose not the end of 80’s, but the beginning, at least it was in Omsk. But the end of 80's we had everything, only with the money was strained. But virgin soil is not volunteers, but how they lived there. Not only volunteers went there, they went there for a long ruble, both to the BAM and to the north. Do not paint everything in pink. In the USSR it was both bad and good. The good must be taken, and the bad left, so as not to repeat the mistakes. If it were so rosy in the USSR, as it seems to you, we would still be living in the same country.

[cuzmin.mihail2013]

Have you been to the North and lived in these beams? If yes, then you know why. And the beams as they were and remained.
Getting in the USSR about 300 rubles a month, I did not see any problems with the TV, but the car ...
But, Ecocorne Babai, why now, getting more than 60 tons I have the same problems ...

[a housewife]

For three hundred rubles my husband and I bought our first TV in 1987 - a small black-and-white "Record", which, by the way, worked until 2003. Color cost from 700 rubles. The queues for apartments were 12-25 years old. Sausage in the 70s "was given 0,5 - 1 kg per hand. The line had to be occupied in 2-3 hours. The same with butter. Cheese, peas, smoked sausage, buckwheat, Indian tea - in festive sets at the production site A chocolate bar at the same time cost 3 rubles, according to the present - 3oo rubles. Taxi - 10 kopecks per 1 km. Meat in stores was cheap, but some bones, and those still had to be found. But it was very cheap to pay for a communal apartment. There were a lot of groceries in the stores, but there were small salaries, and there was simply not enough money for all these goodies. And the most expensive ice cream cost 60 kopecks. Carousels - 28 kopecks. A movie ticket for children is 10 kopecks, for an adult - 10, in the evening and in Sunday - 25 o. And there were many cinemas, even "summer" ones - under the open sky. It was very cheap to travel around the country on vouchers, which were partially paid by the trade union. There were almost no cars, but transport was cheap - 5 kopecks for a trolleybus and a bus, 5 kopeck tram.We lived better or worse?

[aureole]

And now, everyone can afford a car in a half a lemon not on credit? (an average of 22 salaries, as before, at 22 TR average salary)
Sausage and sausages are now available to everyone. But from pink slime and soy. Tell my aunt about toilet paper in your doctor's degree - she worked for 25 years at a meat-packing plant "with a scoop." Although, who likes what.
Color TVs ... Judging by the post, you are keeping pace with the times and you have LG 105UC9 UltraHD 4K or Samsung UE88JS9500T. If not, what are we making noise about? They correspond to the color television "then" now.
And about empty shelves ... Empty shelves began in the mid-90s. When, after Brezhnev’s death, they slowly began to decide the question of how to shake the state more strongly. wallet in your pocket. Remember the pyramids of Iwashi in oil and other rubbish, barrel herring, halva and plus three parallelepipeds: cream, chocolate and margarine? Nearby is a hefty knife with a wooden handle. Jam in three-liter tins (not dyed jelly!) And in the same tomato paste (they also brought condensed milk from the north, without palm oil!), Georgian baikhovy (not ice, but not worse than cheap in modern markets), Hungarian pickled plums and apples, batteries of three-liter cans of juice? Candy boxes with stuck aluminum scoops? Stewed meat (not from boobs-pussy-soya)? A cool thing is a tourist's breakfast))). Chocolates at 50 kopecks (a little expensive, but it was chocolate). Gum mouth-front ...
Although, to each - his own.
I don't know about you, but I will gladly exchange 3 kg of modern "sausages" for one of Brezhnev's. and black and white Stirlitz stuck with more interest than the color 3D 300 Spartans.
The main thing that was then and what is not now is confidence in the future. And it doesn’t matter, real or unrealizable. That which we unshakably believe in is reality.

[veteran66]

Quote: Aureol

Judging by the post, you keep pace with the times and you have LG 105UC9 UltraHD 4K or Samsung UE88JS9500T.

If you are talking about prices, then do not distort, this is a world novelty and is expensive, then we also looked (who were lucky enough to buy) not masterpieces of television production. While the entire civilized world has been watching color TV since the 60s, in our country only from the mid 70s, when my parents could afford this miracle of Soviet radio electronics, only some programs were marked with the "CT" icon. They did not bring imports to us, because the standard did not fit, so it is difficult to compare prices for TV, but judging by the tape recorders, which were also difficult to get, our "Vesna" was 10 times cheaper and just as worse than any Sharpe. Now, anybody can afford a medium format flat TV.

[Severok01]

He lived in the "balka" for about 16 years (even went to the bucket when needed) in the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, but I can assure you that these were perhaps the best years in my life! "Beams" were not even locked (until the early 90s), and most importantly the people were friendly!

[Cat]

And what? No one had color TVs, sausages or cars? Airborne disappeared?
And about memory - you have it no longer than a mosquito penis.

[Saints]

I rewrote the beginning of the commentary several times, I couldn’t pick up normal words. Everything rests against you sausage and sausages. Bl ... I’m giving you. Himself not ashamed? Oh, what am I, how can you be so ashamed? A neighbor traveled on the Volga, but you didn’t even have a Lada? Honestly, I don’t even want to write anymore. And yes, life in the north began at the age of 5 just in the trailer.

[Cat]

Quote: Fox

Well, at least enlighten, who lived in the USSR, what wasn’t good? Otherwise, they all just nod with their mane, but they can’t mumble intelligible and sensible ...

And they didn’t live there - they only read newspapers (or smoked?)

[Cat]

Quote: Wend

Not everything was good in the USSR.

You do not remember this in your youth! In the USSR, trees were higher, beer was cheaper, and women were younger!
But seriously - people were completely different. Absolutely. Not all, of course, but others.
Here is an example.
Our whole family flew from Khabar to Belarus, we transferred our father to a new duty station in the garrison in Shaikovka. In Moscow, an officer came up to us - say, help, brother, the money was stolen. Father, without thinking, unfastened half of the lift.
Mother then yelled at him ...
And the father answered - this is an officer!
A month later, a full money transfer came.
Imagine something similar in today's Russia

[vovanpain]

30 December 1922 was created the state in which we were born, lived, studied, swore allegiance to him. Yes, we lost it, and in that we lost, there is a bit of guilt of everyone.

But we remember, and it costs a lot.

Thank you Roman for the article, we all remember and tell the children and grandchildren about the USSR.

[Cat]

Quote: vovanpain

remember everything and tell children and grandchildren

There are no grandchildren yet.
And the children just do not believe. They say: Dad, well, this simply can’t be - you have come up with it.

[Ermak]

Apr 3 (SU) Today, 06:26 AM
Let us recall the Soviet Union with good memory, God forbid, live to see its revival.

everything can be ... as they said from a spark a flame will flash :)

Well, now you can on occasion and listen:

[RUSS]

Quote: Ermak

everything can be ... as they said from a spark a flame will flash :)

Well, now you can on occasion and listen:

Your post somehow does not fit with your profile picture.

[Ermak]

РУСС (3) RU Today, 12: 46 ↑
Quote: Ermak
everything can be ... as they said from a spark a flame will flash :)

Well, now you can on occasion and listen:

Your post somehow does not fit with your profile picture.

And this is because this is the history of our Motherland and this is not logical at first glance. My great-grandfather served in the Life Guards and fought in World War I, my one grandfather didn’t really like Soviet power and was never a communist, but he fought in World War II and lived his whole life with dignity, the other grandfather was a fervent communist and artist, but despite different views they were both for justice and truth. This is our country, 1 different stories with one people. But I love Russia and I respect our history very much, and I know that no one would have such a USSR, there would have been no such Russian Empire, if there had been a different Russian people, and if so, everything was good and bad, that was - all this is ours!
Therefore, I believe the new future should be built harmoniously, not denying our past, but taking as much of it useful and necessary as possible.

[Cat]

Quote: apro

Let us recall the Soviet Union with good memory, God forbid, live to see its revival.

Yes, in one form or another (I do not mean to live ).
There is simply no other alternative.

[veteran66]

Quote: apro

God forbid, live to see his rebirth

back to communism? God forbid!!

[Cat]

Quote: veteran66

back to communism?

Young man, have you been there?

[veteran66]

Quote: Gato

Young man, have you been there?

Well, if I'm a young man, how are you still alive, dad? Well, thank God, I survived these times.

[Cat]

Quote: veteran66

how are you still alive, dad?

Do not wait!

[Amurets]

And I got 2 for this date. There was a pre-New Year euphoria and there was the last history lesson before the New Year. When asked what day is tomorrow? Answered "VACATION" !!! Well, the historian slapped me 2-ku. In the spring, I had these " VACATION "remembered. I still remember this date. And the Soviet Union: this is our past. Good or bad, as anyone, good for me.

[afdjhbn67]

Thanks Roman for the article, reminded..

On December 30, 1922, a state was created in which we were born, lived, studied, and swore allegiance to him. Yes, we lost him, and that we lost there is a piece of everyone’s guilt.

I agree with every word

[andj61]

Quote: afdjhbn67

On December 30, 1922, a state was created in which we were born, lived, studied, and swore allegiance to him. Yes, we lost him, and that we lost there is a piece of everyone’s guilt.
I agree with every word

Why is it with every word? On March 17, 1991, a referendum was held on this matter, 76,4% of the people said yes to the USSR. The overwhelming majority of the people were in favor of preserving the USSR, this decision on the collapse was made by a narrow handful of conspirators who did not give a damn about the people. I do not think that everyone is to blame.
True, paradoxically, the smallest number of votes in favor in percentage terms - 71,3% - was given then by Russia ...
http://ria.ru/infografika/20110317/344858037.html

[Cap.Morgan]

Well, what actually has changed?
Well, we were in the same state with the Uzbeks and Georgians, and right now - they are everywhere, they haven’t gone anywhere. What is sadness about?
Your interest, I do not know where you got it. In any case, this data is unofficial. Based on your own Wishlist.

[andj61]

Quote: Cap.Morgan

Your interest, I do not know where you got it. In any case, this data is unofficial. Based on your own Wishlist.

Actually, I cited the official data provided by the referendum commission in the USSR. And these are not my Wishlist at all. There is a reference - go through it. Google it - and you will see the same numbers, but only in a slightly different form, maybe. And I remember them very well - I participated in the vote on March 17.03.1991, XNUMX.
Here is another source for you:
The message of the Central Referendum Commission of the USSR on the results of the referendum of the USSR on March 17, 1991 // Truth. - 1991 .-- March 27.

[Resident007]

Quote: andj61

Quote: Cap.Morgan

Your interest, I do not know where you got it. In any case, this data is unofficial. Based on your own Wishlist.

Actually, I cited the official data provided by the referendum commission in the USSR. And these are not my Wishlist at all. There is a reference - go through it. Google it - and you will see the same numbers, but only in a slightly different form, maybe. And I remember them very well - I participated in the vote on March 17.03.1991, XNUMX.
Here is another source for you:
The message of the Central Referendum Commission of the USSR on the results of the referendum of the USSR on March 17, 1991 // Truth. - 1991 .-- March 27.

I.V. Stalin: "The main thing is not how they voted, but how they counted!" )))

[RUSS]

Quote: Cap.Morgan

Well, what actually has changed?
Well, we were in the same state with the Uzbeks and Georgians, and right now - they are everywhere, they haven’t gone anywhere. What is sadness about?
Your interest, I do not know where you got it. In any case, this data is unofficial. Based on your own Wishlist.

I regret that Ukraine and Belarus are torn off, the rest are not.

[Captain nemo]

Quote: andj61

However, paradoxically, the smallest number of votes in favor in percentage terms - 71,3% - was given then by Russia

Ukraine will be 1.1% smaller than Russia by 70.2%.

[alicante11]

I do not think that everyone has a piece of guilt.

But in vain do not think that the country should be protected not only at the ballot box, but if necessary, then go out into the street with a protest. Moreover, THEN it was possible, because the LAW was on our side, which means there were more chances that the security forces would be on the side of the people, and now, excuse me, speaking out against the oligarchs will be illegal and riot police will break the baton on our heads (and will right, they are paid money for this).

[Lekov L]

True, paradoxically, the smallest number of votes in favor in percentage terms - 71,3% - was given then by Russia ...

Nothing paradoxical - by that moment Russia was very tired of hearing about how the independent Ukrainians, Tajiks, Kazakhs, Georgians, Estonians, etc., would be "banned" immediately after the invaders leave.
And the occupiers have also dreamed that they would stop feeding them.
Someone was right. Someone not.
Russia is recovering poorly and slowly, but still ..
And not all of them are independent without Russian specialists. Yes, and the same Azerbaijanis fly to Russia like flies for jam - although this is one of the best "former in the USSR".
Here is a paradox!
Sincerely ...

[Glot]

I remember. He studied, lived, served in the USSR. I can’t say anything bad about that country. This is a good past!

[sa-ag]

Quote: Glot

I can’t say anything bad about that country.

Yes, the Union, of course, was not ideal, but looking from now on to the past, the 70s seem to me the best time.

[RUSS]

Quote: Glot

I remember. He studied, lived, served in the USSR. I can’t say anything bad about that country. This is a good past!

Memories from childhood and youth are always good, so the Union of many is associated with something kind and dear, but the generation is slowly changing and the Union is forgotten, for example, I am proud of modern Russia, and then it will be even better, you'll see!

[Yak28]

Of course, the collapse of the USSR is a tragedy, there are many reasons for this, and the good work of the Western special services, and the selfish goals of the top of the country, who, having stolen a lot of money, could not flaunt them. To destroy the USSR it was necessary to turn the people against the government, for this there was propaganda, the West is getting better, artificially created a shortage of goods and food in stores. And as a result, part of the people supported the collapse of the country. Sales workers of the KGB, the authorities headed by Gorbachev, the army finished off the country. Dozens of workers of the USSR special services did not go over to the side of the traitors and were killed, it was shown in the news about their "suicides" in the 90s. The party leaders of the republics wanted to be presidents, baiy, and as a result supported the final collapse of the country.
When the USSR collapsed and Russia weakened, our "allies" in the form of the republics of the USSR began to survive the Russians and throw mud at Russia. But the Russians fought for them, built infrastructure for them, taught them to read and write, and some Asian republics in general came up with the alphabet and writing. from the Warsaw Treaty countries they went even further, joined NATO, deployed on their territory US troops hostile to Russia, imagine they would have betrayed Russia during the war. Look at the crime news, 90% of crimes in Moscow are committed by visitors from former "fraternal" republics of the USSR. Personally, I no longer want an alliance with these traitors. Communism is an advanced ideology that was ahead of its time by 200 years, people did not understand what they had.

[Castor]

I am ready to agree with everything, except for two points:
1. Not all of us have been betrayed, but friends are in trouble. Although in this case we should talk more about decency than about friendship. You just need to find out who is worth what.
2. It is better to replace the word "communism" with "socialism", because, IMHO, communism is a goal, a dream, as unattainable as it is attractive.

[Cap.Morgan]

We see communism in all its advanced form in the West, which is so unloved by the local elite.
As they say, everything is for the glory of man. With freedom, with persecution of the church. There, after all, in power everywhere socialists are the ideological brothers of our communists.
Who is the Frenchman Hollande? Socialist.
And the brotherhood of nations there is present in all its glory. Even more so than in the USSR, where proud small nations applied for jobs. For a view. Since the proletarians were imported from Russia. It was necessary to raise the size of the native working class. In the West, it’s possible to drive a bastard like that.
It is necessary to raise your country.
At the expense of Russian resources, the Communists dragged the whole world. Without reckoning with either losses or costs.

[RUSS]

Quote: Cap.Morgan

At the expense of Russian resources, the Communists dragged the whole world. Without reckoning with either losses or costs.

Plus you, really how much they swelled into the Socialist Camp and into the developing countries as a result, almost everyone forgave the debts, wrote off.

[Sars]

Communists in the territory of the former Russian Empire cut into non-existent states under non-existent nationalities.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: SarS

Communists in the territory of the former Russian Empire cut into non-existent states

And now they’re crying, but how so the country fell apart.

[andj61]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: SarS

Communists in the territory of the former Russian Empire cut into non-existent states

And now they’re crying, but how so the country fell apart.

Actually, this fully applies only to the republics that did not hold a referendum on the preservation of the USSR on March 17, 1991 - Armenia, Georgia (with the exception of Abkhazia), Moldova and the Baltic republics. And the decision on the collapse of the Union was made by three - Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich - and no one asked the opinion of the people or the communists. In short - "the three gathered in a dense forest - no one else lives in the Union!"

[0255]

Quote: andj61

And the decision on the collapse of the Union was made by three - Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich - and no one asked the opinion of the people or the communists. In short - "the three gathered in a dense forest - no one else lives in the Union!"

Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich were also communists. Like the ex-acting President of Ukraine Turchiov, today's President of Lithuania Gribskunayte and many others. No need to idealize all communists.

[Mik13]

Quote: 0255

Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich were also communists. Like the ex-acting President of Ukraine Turchiov, today's President of Lithuania Gribskunayte and many others. No need to idealize all communists.

And let's not confuse the Communists and members of the CPSU.

The Communists of 30's - 40's and Yeltsin would not put a monument for 7 lards after death from old age, but a loop around his neck. Together with the whole warm company.

[andj61]

Quote: Mik13

And let's not confuse the Communists and members of the CPSU.

+ 100500!

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Now cry

Let us cry - do not bother ..

[RUSS]

Quote: afdjhbn67

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Now cry

Let us cry - do not bother ..

It’s time to finish mourning the Union, look into the future, into the future of Russia.

[vovanpain]

Quote: RUSS

It’s time to finish mourning the Union, look into the future, into the future of Russia.

Yes, we look Maxim, of course we look, only where should we put our memory.

[RUSS]

Quote: vovanpain

Quote: RUSS

It’s time to finish mourning the Union, look into the future, into the future of Russia.

Yes, we look Maxim, of course we look, only where should we put our memory.

I have not said that you need to forget something or just don’t return it to the past, you need to build a new country, we lost a lot in the 90s, we will catch up today!

[RUSS]

Quote: SarS

Communists in the territory of the former Russian Empire cut into non-existent states under non-existent nationalities.

They planted a time bomb for us, and has been "exploding" since 90.

[sa-ag]

Quote: SarS

Communists in the territory of the former Russian Empire cut into non-existent states under non-existent nationalities.

And then non-communists took and made a copy of the USSR from the unitary formation of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic and named it the Russian Federation, republics with limited sovereignty were formed inside, so you don’t have to blame everything on the communists to divert attention

[Alexander Romanov]

December 30, 1922 a state was created,
Well, on the one hand, our story, and on the other, a mine of separatism was laid, which tore 70 years later, tearing the country into 15 parts.

[Amurets]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Well, on the one hand, our story, and on the other, a mine of separatism was laid, which tore 70 years later, tearing the country into 15 parts.

And it could have been at 16 if, on November 15, 1922, the FER did not merge with R.S.F.S.R.

[Captain nemo]

Quote: Amurets

And it could have been at 16 if, on November 15, 1922, the FER did not merge with R.S.F.S.R.

There was a period in the USSR when 16 republics actually existed. I can’t name the dates, but when VDNKh was being built, 16 girls were put in the sculptural composition "Round Dance of the Soviet Republics" according to the number of republics. The 16th republic was the Karelo-Finnish SSR, but later, when in 1956 it became obvious that Finland would not become part of the Karelo-Finnish SSR, created in 1940 from the Karelian Autonomy, it was liquidated, just like it was created to the level of Autonomy with the removal of the word "Finnish".
Well, and the "highlight" to this story. There is not a single photograph of the medal "For the capture of Helsinki", but knowledgeable people claim that there were appropriate government decisions on the manufacture of these, and such were actually made, and then every single one was sent to be melted down.

[RUSS]

Quote: Captain Nemo

Well, and the "highlight" to this story. There is not a single photograph of the medal "For the capture of Helsinki", but knowledgeable people claim that there were appropriate government decisions on the manufacture of these, and such were actually made, and then every single one was sent to be melted down.

It wasn’t customary to talk about the events of the 39th year in the Union, and even now a couple of lines about this in history books .....

[Amurets]

Quote: Captain Nemo

There was a period in the USSR when 16 republics actually existed. I can’t name the dates, but when VDNKh was being built, 16 girls were put in the sculptural composition "Round Dance of the Soviet Republics" according to the number of republics. The 16th republic was the Karelo-Finnish SSR, but later, when in 1956 it became obvious that Finland would not become part of the Karelo-Finnish SSR, created in 1940 from the Karelian Autonomy, it was liquidated, just like it was created to the level of Autonomy with the removal of the word "Finnish".

I know about it. But those events are better to read the Finnish authors. For the first time I read in more or less detail I read "Cannons on the rails" by VIBragin, there are links to Finnish authors and their works.

[andj61]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

December 30, 1922 a state was created,
Well, on the one hand, our story, and on the other, a mine of separatism was laid, which tore 70 years later, tearing the country into 15 parts.

Evaluate what was done in 1922 must be comprehensive. The creation of the union republics then is a dice to national elites who already felt power in the period 1917-1922, and to the emerging national identity. And it was not the very existence of the republics that turned out to be a mine, but the republics' right to secede from the USSR, which was preserved both in the 1936 Constitution of the USSR and in the 1977 Constitution of the USSR, and the necessary changes were not made to the Constitution in the course of Gorbachev's reforms. The Baltic States first exercised this right - and the exit order was adopted AFTER the announcement of their withdrawal from the USSR.
But, of course, the division of the USSR into a province-region instead of a union republic would contribute to the preservation of the country, but it would not at all guarantee this.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: andj61

Evaluate what was done in 1922 must be comprehensive.

Yes, at least how to evaluate, the result is that the drunk trio ruined the country.

[MrK]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Yes, even how to evaluate, the result is that the drunk trio ruined the country

The recently published memoirs of V.F. We read: “Dinner began at about one in the morning (this is December 9 1991 of the year.). At the suggestion of Yeltsin, they drank only "Bialowieza ...
In the midst of the feast, when the people already had little control over their behavior, the Chairman of the KGB of Belarus, Eduard Ivanovich Shirkovsky, approached me. Putting aside, he whispered: Vyacheslav Frantsevich, this is a real coup! I reported everything to Moscow, to the Committee ... I’m waiting for Gorbachev’s team ... After all, there is a fact of treason, betrayal, if you call a spade a spade. ”
Further V.F. Kebich writes: “Alas, Moscow was silent. They simply could not report to Shirkovsky about the message to Gorbachev, I rule it out. ” Of course, they reported on the traitors to the main traitor. But he was silent.

From the book of Alexander Kurlandchik “Damned Soviet Power” ... on Prose. RU.

[alicante11]

Putting aside, he whispered: Vyacheslav Frantsevich, this is a real coup! I reported everything to Moscow, to the Committee ... I’m waiting for the Gorbachev team ...

It was necessary to take everyone to the side and put it on the wall. If you already understood that a coup. Yes, at least from the personnel PM to decompose all. And so, either scared, or just shows off, but he did not understand anything.

[atos_kin]

The collapse of the USSR is a shameful spot on the KGB of the USSR. They gave the drunken troika the opportunity to drink the wrong "nectar". Members of the Committee and their relatives still hold key positions not only in business.

[alicante11]

Yes, at least how to evaluate, the result is that the drunk trio ruined the country.

Was it not the same in February 17th? And without the "republics".

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

tearing the country into 15 parts.

Under the Russian Federation, another 21 mines were laid ... as if it didn’t.

[RUSS]

Quote: afdjhbn67

Quote: Alexander Romanov

tearing the country into 15 parts.

Under the Russian Federation, another 21 mines were laid ... as if it didn’t.

Well, not 21, but about 3 or 4. I mean some Caucasian republics and Tatarstan.

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: RUSS

Well, not 21, but about 3 or 4.

Well, in general, it’s true, but in the event of a negative development of the situation, it will take on an avalanche-like character, too many princes and khans have grown .. in a moment from their constitutions the dust is brushed off and corrected, some articles that Putin forced to remove ..

[alicante11]

Well, on the one hand, our story, and on the other, a mine of separatism was laid, which tore 70 years later, tearing the country into 15 parts.

It’s strange, it seems that there were no republics in the Empire, and as it began to fall apart, so did the Baltic states and Georgia, and the very Ukraine immediately became non-independent. At the same time, in the 41th, not one of the republics declared independence. Even the partisans who were under the Nazis fought underground. So the question is not territorial division, but the power of the state.

[Captain nemo]

Quote: alicante11

At the same time, in the 41st, not one of the republics declared independence.

And why then did Hitler send S Bandera to the concentration camp, if he did not declare that Ukraine is now (in 1941) independent at least from the Bolsheviks, and on some issues "is always ready" to cooperate with Germany on the deportation of Poles from the territory Ukraine, well, and there with the Jews how to sort it out at your own discretion not to the detriment of Germany?

[parusnik]

But the red-headed dinosaurs (and they have a good memory) still remember this day... Yes, a dinosaur, yes I remember .. And I'm not going to spit in the past .. I’m not red-flagged ... they took the red flag .. they didn’t ask .. like the Motherland-USSR ... Everyone is happy on December 30 .. USSR EDUCATION DAY and Happy New Year ..

[linen]

Oh! we would have less to look into the ass of the USA, and rotten Europe! Honor the LAW AND HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY! For theft, but bribery and bureaucrats often shoot and plant! To think and do as much as possible for the economy, and therefore for the PEOPLE OF RUSSIA !!!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: flax

we would have less to look in the ass of the United States, but rotten Europe!

Do you work as a proctologist? Change profession

[inkass_98]

Russia in any of its incarnations is an empire, otherwise it will not be Russia, but Muscovy, Tartarus, Siberia and whatever else. The USSR is the successor of the old empire, albeit in a truncated form, the current RF is an even more stripped-down successor of the USSR. Inevitably, the question arises - isn't it time, according to Lenin's behest (in order to unite, one must separate), to reunite their lands? There are only doubts about the economic feasibility of these actions, since during the 25 years of their "independence" practically all the former republics have done everything to destroy what was built by Russians and non-Russians over decades of industrial development. Better to take care of yourself than the ungrateful outskirts. And the titular nation must be collected at home, in this respect little is done criminally, the "map of the Russian" is long overdue.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: inkass_98

USSR - successor to the old empire

Receiver, but only on paper. In fact, the empire was united, and the USSR divided the country into republics. The result was the collapse of the first crisis of power.

[Darkness]

The empire also collapsed during the crisis of power.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Darkness

The empire also collapsed during the crisis of power.

She didn’t fall apart.

[Darkness]

Yah? The Bolsheviks with great difficulty kept the country from collapse.

[Alexander Romanov]

[quote = Gloom] Yes, well? The Bolsheviks with great difficulty kept the country from collapse. [/ Quote]
[quote = Alexander Romanov]
That is, the empire did not fall apart, but what about ...
[quote = Gloom] Empire also collapsed [/ quote]
I twist as I want

[RUSS]

Quote: Darkness

Yah? The Bolsheviks with great difficulty kept the country from collapse.

Maybe so, only unlike the Ryurokovichs and Romanovs, they did not keep the country for more than 70 years!

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

She didn’t fall apart.

I agree - it was transformed, but unfortunately with the same error of the USSR (autonomy)

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Receiver, but only on paper.

I agree unequivocally - the Bolsheviks had to preserve the unitary state .. they almost like Yeltsin did "take sovereignty, as much as you want" and this mine from the past century is still laid under Russia .. To Putin (for which I am personally grateful to him - during his period of passionarity in the early 2000s) only managed to stop the process, but not completely, to solve this big mistake ...

[Belousov]

Alas, now the authorities are pursuing a policy of open genocide of the titular nation. Here you can recall 282 tbsp. The Criminal Code, where only Russians are imprisoned (and the rest are so cute, fluffy, do not shoot on the streets, do not cut anyone, do not molest or harass anyone), there is a complete collapse of education, medicine. Go to any police station - at least half of the bosses are representatives of a non-titular nation who are not shy about pulling up their fellow tribesmen, which ultimately leads to a fusion of crime and the authorities.

[Belousov]

Alas, now the authorities are pursuing a policy of open genocide of the titular nation. Here you can recall 282 tbsp. The Criminal Code, where only Russians are imprisoned (and the rest are so cute, fluffy, do not shoot on the streets, do not cut anyone, do not molest or harass anyone), there is a complete collapse of education, medicine. Go to any police station - at least half of the bosses are representatives of a non-titular nation who are not shy about pulling up their fellow tribesmen, which ultimately leads to a fusion of crime and the authorities.

[RUSS]

Quote: inkass_98

Russia in any of its hypostases is an empire, otherwise it will not be Russia, but Muscovy

The word Muscovy was invented by the Psheks, so do not apply this name to my Motherland.
Thank you.

[Captain nemo]

Quote: inkass_98

USSR - successor to the old empire

No, de jure and de facto, the USSR was not the successor of the former Empire, and openly declared that it did not recognize the tsarist debts, renounced the "old world", excommunicated the church from the state, crumbled tsarist monuments and symbols. They did not even disdain to declare the "illegality" of those peace or demarcation treaties if they infringe on the interests of the "working people" living in the neighborhood of Russia, which was immediately taken advantage of, for example, by "proletarian" China.
If we measure the events of those days to the present day. What is now called the creation of the USSR, at that time was nothing more than the self-proclamation of an illegally created territorial entity. That is, like today's South Ossetia, Abkhazia, DPR, LPR, Transnistria, etc. The USSR acquired its "legitimacy" in the "world community" only in 1924, but for such interested structures as Finland and Poland, of course, earlier. Well, something like how we recognized Abkhazia and South Ossetia, and all the others do not.

[Ded_smerch]

Happy birthday to all MOTHERLANDS!

[Darkness]

The Red Army will come - there will be no mercy for anyone. (WITH)

[RUSS]

Quote: Darkness

The Red Army will come - there will be no mercy for anyone. (WITH)

Where will it come from? Through a temporary portal?

[Yuri V]

and I consider the former republics a burden for the whole of Russia and for the taxpayer everything that is done is for the best, Our best Friends ARMY AND NAVY !!! Happy All RUSSIANS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Darkness]

For starters, it would be nice to learn how to write the name of your country.

[ALEA IACTA EST]

The place of one empire is always occupied by another, more adapted to survival in the new world.

[vladimirvn]

Having removed their head, they do not cry through their hair. Let us recall friends, how it was!

[Captain nemo]

Quote: vladimirvn

Having removed their head, they do not cry through their hair. Let us recall friends, how it was!

You have not delivered that hymn by today. Remembering my primary classes, I was forced to sing a completely different anthem of the USSR, and it was called "Internationale".

[a housewife]

Anthem of the USSR - International? What are you? Truth? How interesting.

[RUSS]

Quote: housewife

Anthem of the USSR - International? What are you? Truth? How interesting.

International (fr. L'Internationale, from Latin inter - between and natio - nation) the official anthem of the RSFSR (1918-1944), the USSR (1922-1944),

[Million]

It’s good that we remembered this holiday of the penultimate day of the calendar

[Ragoz]

Million, to your image of our coat of arms there are magnificent verses:
In various ways the powers
Coats of arms decorated their
Here is a leopard, a double-headed eagle
And the lion stands on its hind legs
This is the custom was old
To the state emblems
Threatened neighbors face animal
The grin of all your teeth.
But not a leopard, not a lion, not a lioness
Our coat of arms adorned ourselves
A golden wreath of wheat
Mighty hammer, sharp sickle.
We do not threaten other nations
We take care of the birthplace
Where is the place under the sky
For all who are honest
Feeds on labor.

[atos_kin]

Something like that

[Alena Frolovna]

or like this:

[Mangel olys]

Happy Birthday, MOTHERLAND!
Long live the 93 anniversary
from the day the USSR was formed!

[Razvedka_Boem]

Born, raised, was a pioneer. I remember tomato juice for 10 kopecks, there was a plate with salt nearby ..) and what a delicious cream ice cream in cans of ice was) But the Soviet popsicle can’t be repeated ..) Over the years, something unpleasant fades, and the good becomes brighter. But WE WOULD BE Proud TO BE SOVIET.

[dkflbvbh]

Quote: andj61

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: SarS

Communists in the territory of the former Russian Empire cut into non-existent states

And now they’re crying, but how so the country fell apart.

In fact, this fully applies only to the republics that did not hold a referendum on the preservation of the USSR on March 17, 1991 - Armenia, Georgia (except for Abkhazia), Moldova and the Baltic republics. And the decision on the collapse of the Union was made by three - Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich - and the opinions of neither the people, no one asked the Communists. In short - "the three gathered in a dense forest - no one else lives in the Union!"

And who ratified the Bialowieza conspiracy? The Supreme Council of the Russian Federation, where the majority were communists (led by Zyuganov).

[Volzhanin]

This mine could lie for centuries if it had not been set on fire purposefully.
In our country there are still many national territorial entities. So what? Let's wait until it breaks into another 20 parts?

[Dormidosha]

Yes guys! already the heart is compressed as you listen to the anthem of the USSR. And no matter how stale the heart would be, it softens with tender memories of past times, about childhood ... and is filled with bursting chest with pride in the GREAT and POWERFUL SOVIET UNION! Immediately roll memories of the five-year plans, the rest of the sea savages, hiking, guitars, bonfires ....... EH prosrali mediocre !!!!!!!!!!!! Now it is necessary for the children to restore at least the pale podcast of the past. to show how IT was !!!!!!

[lilian]

And for the collapse of our common homeland, did Yeltsin erect a monument and did they make another center for Yeltsin?

[Ivan Tartugai]

Yes, we lost him, and that we lost, there is a piece of everyone’s guilt.

Of course, there is the fault of every adult citizen of the former USSR.
There were such “citizens” of the USSR who deliberately ruined the country, such as Gorbachev, Gaidar, Khakamada, Sobchak, Popov, Grachev and numerous, and many others like them, both at the union, republican, regional, and district levels, where there were their Gorbachevs, their Gaidars, their Chubais and numerous others like them.
But there were those who let themselves be deceived, gave themselves to rob, who then paid for their credulity and for their inertness, but it was too late.

[summer]

SSSSSSR (!!!) - an outstanding paradox in history, which proved the fundamental possibility of a country “pulling itself by the hair” out of a swamp .. Together with a horse - fraternal republics.
Having destroyed part and expelled from the country the remnants of the former elite, having survived both the intervention and the disastrous civil war, Russia in only 15-20 years overcame most of the post-war problems, on the one hand, and opened up new horizons of development, on the other.

The "elite" of Russia at the beginning of the twentieth century was practically no different from the "elite" of Russia of the twenty-first century. Luxury, satiety, apathy for others, etc.
Rome on the eve of its conquest by the barbarians.
Will you now regret the shift of the cervical vertebrae of the “modern Russian elite”? That's it. Clinging tongues can only be directly affected by the mega-default of VOSR.

“How exciting the evenings are in Russia” - “And Schubert's waltzes, and the crunch of French rolls.” Shader? Galevutsky .. Direct movie for pedagogues.

The bloodletting of the 17-18th years somewhat sobered society, returning it from head to foot. Letting Russia escape the fate of Rome Caesars.

The IVS overcame the confusion and vacillations of post-revolutionary fermentation in Russia, draining the excess yeast into the cesspool of history. The Zinovievs, Kamenevs, Trotsky, Bukharins and Pyatakovs fell "a victim of the brave" quite naturally.

Someone, I will not specify who still refers IVS to the bloodiest tyrants - the ashes of hundreds, thousands, millions, billions, a myriad of "innocently murdered gentiles" beating in their hearts!

Though..
The small casket opened simply - "Gone the girl! They took them straight from the stall! ”!

Some - I will not specify - have already managed to digest both the Wild West and the Far East.
At the center of events is the GP! - World pantries of Siberia.

And here dynastic, and religious, and ideological contradictions go by the wayside. You will not please everyone.
For the greedy and predatory, the most important thing is prey. What would they call her.
“You are not a dog, you are a chicken. I am not Korean, I am Jewish. ” Something like that.

First of all, and precisely because, and only because, “llliberals” are so disliked by Stalin - they deprived “them” of an almost guaranteed jackpot.
And that is precisely why Putin is so hated by them - for the second time in the last century, the Russian leader is leaving the trap, the wolf hole.
That is why the leaders of New Khazaria hear the loudest orgasmic cries. There is no point here - solid emotions at the level of physiology. Frustration.

I admit that not everything is so primitive. And there are pitfalls invisible to the eye. And even now we are “among hummocks and icebergs. We can understand this. Ten years as there is no life. All Icebergs, Vaysbergs, Eisenbergs, all kinds of Rabinovichi there. Verno Pryakhin (P ... in!) says .. "©

Ilf and Petroff, if ..

[uskrabut]

I put a minus because I do not agree with "everyone's part of the guilt." So they like to say, those who are afraid of personal responsibility, it is easier to hide in the crowd. But since ancient times it has been known that every trouble has a specific surname, name and patronymic.
The top ... the Soviet Union, wanted to take power, to reign supreme without looking back, but the then ideology did not welcome this.

[Aleksander]

On 30 of December 1922, a state was created in which we were born, lived, studied, and swore allegiance to him

The state in which we were born, lived, studied, swore allegiance to him, was created over a thousand years ago. It was called Russia, Russia, and the USSR was one of its forms and, as it turned out, was far from the most successful. The roots of today's massacre on the Ruin were laid precisely then, 30.12.1922, when the Russian Novorossiya was against its will in a marginal misunderstanding.
Of course, not everything was bad, but the division then made according to nationalities, and not provinces, was a grave mistake.

[Ajjh]

Nightmare! and these people raise children ...

[Aleksandr1959]

I think many people will like this song.

[Aleksandr1959]

I found this poem on the net. Its author is Dietmarh.

You cannot escape from yourself.

You cannot escape from yourself: millions of invisible bonds
They will not allow us to forget our childhood, even to those who ...
Today I guys dreamed about the Soviet Union,
And it seems to me that we said goodbye to the era too early.

Let the "TV" lie that the pores have never been freezing,
That from the signs of the Masonic eaves were breaking over us -
I mean that in our yard there were many friends,
And that we went to our neighbors without a visa.

Someone built and lived, someone stupidly looked at the fence,
Someone was quietly oily, stuffing mattresses with currency,
But from the distant overseas everyone heard the angelic choir,
Although they explained to us that this is sung by s.

It’s not that we wanted to leave - we just went outside,
And she led into darkness, a curve path ran.
I don’t know when the traitor and the thief appeared -
It was visible among us, but until the time he stole a little,

Left alone, he loomed through the window with a candle -
And while we fought, obsessed with our own tongues,
The enemy entered the waddle, pouring urine into the shrine
And he sat down on the throne, swinging on undetails.

Having smoked the kingsays of "the chosen ones of the EL EM world",
After winding gigabytes of porn on advertising meters,
We returned to ourselves, but not everyone had enough space ...
We pissed off such a country - excuse me, mom!

Are we, eyes downcast, pass side,
We are silent - more tolerant than a sheep and more timid than a hare?
Maybe at least for the last time we’ll habitually shake antiquity,
In a tense struggle, tearing the eggs of the opponent?

We have not cried hitherto, perhaps we shall not cry in the future, -
Because of lesser resentment, wars sometimes begin.
Who dares to live is not afraid to die in battle,
The ballistic path to the enemy is measured out calmly.

Let the neo-window scream in the House of Congress
Let the "defenders of the law" go into hysterics,
But as long as the missiles read Washington DC
NATO partners still have short arms.

Ukraine, rise up! New Russia, no longer rub!
Returning home, brush off your dusty feet.
Ukraine, understand - you are the sacred Ancient Russia,
And not the bastards of the creature that stole the name of Europe.

And when the Democrats of Sodom, caliphs for an hour
We are screaming heart-rendingly: "Stand up with cancer - live like people!"
I’m funny because I remember how it was with us,
And I want to believe it will definitely be!

From the far berths the ships will go into the ocean,
In distant orbits, plans will continue to move ...
Yes, the book is over, but in the memory of our land
The history of the world still has a sequel -

There will be a wind in the foliage, a laugh of noon and midnight of joy,
The sin will be sweet to us and the bitter repentance of the cup -
It will be as always, it will be as it should be for those
For whom is this home, and not just "moronic Rush".

Life will show whether we will hold the brotherhood together with centenary wine,
Having finally figured out which side we are playing on,
Or still, the Soviet Union, you will remain a dream,
Converted to the past - a bright lost paradise,

If to us, dissolved as salt in world rumor,
Now - to the miserable sufferers and victims of treacherous wiles,
Neither the strength in the hands, nor the brains in the head,
To create something more grandiose in the groin.

[Mik13]

Well, since we are already talking in verse ...

Guskov Alexey

I heard a legend
As if once
This country was inhabited by giants.
Like living
Strange fate:
Were ready for work and battle
From lack
Bread and meat
They raved about Marx, Victory and Mars,
Snow taiga
Arctic gloomy,
Bright stars over Baikonur
Hot flame
The bottomless bottomless ...
They built mines, dams and blast furnaces.
And they were mistaken
And they won.
Waiting for guests from an unthinkable distance.
Through the cannonade
Massacre of blood
Rushed to collapse into tall grasses
Blackened in the snow
Into the water and into the clay ...
Scarlet flag was hoisted over Berlin.
We went from the collective farm
Onion beds
To the Olympics, Afghanistan, detente.
Walked through patterns
And the stencils
They walked along carrying the planet
Wrote in blood
Good tale.
Even their mistakes were gigantic.
Believed, faith
In the heart of cherishing
In the infallibility of speeches from the Mausoleum,
They knew that they were right
Their sickle and hammer,
They knew that the world was only split for a while,
What is not forever
Pain and sorrow ...

But crushed. Alas, crushed ...
Their descendants
Timidly hiding
In the musty silence of cabinet boxes
Think standard
They don’t rave about the distance
Reduce credit lifelessly with debit
Finely dream
They rarely think ...
There is nothing left of their ancestors in them.

[Ajjh]

A quarter of a century has passed. but in the former country there are still aahs and oohs. But the main conclusion has not been made. Everyone blames the collapse of the Jews, then the West (EU + USA), then the phases of the moon, then specific people, such as Gorbachev ...
you’ll start asking how it was in the union (I was born there myself, but I don’t remember him well) so it was such a time that it was just ah! everyone was in the world, friendship, chewing gum, conquered space.
And you will start to dig deeper than the line, deficiency, general theft from the dvonrik inclusive, and higher. And only those who sit high enough live well. Generally not for me to tell you. this is still the 37th do not remember
The union died in his deed. Draw conclusions and move on, forget like a nightmare
PS
it is correct that the Communists were banned in Ukraine. There is a sense in this

[summer]

The state is a "common boiler." I put it there, get it from there. Let less, but get it.

You can blame the Soviet Union from two positions - from the current pepsikolshchikov, who give right now, everything can be without bread.

Or from those who "built communism" with gray hair until their gray hair, and held the other in their pockets and twisted the bullets .. Or periodically took it out to fill the sand in the axle boxes.

The latter are usually the "professional" flag carriers - the banner, the Hymn singers, and those who take an oath, either on the CPSU Charter, on the Bible, on the Koran, or on the Torah .. Sorry, Tanakh .. I'm not so well versed in " Belarusian "religions.

Or a third, mundane variant, suddenly struck by a dust bag from around the corner in the closet.

This is a theme for - “My Homeland is the USSR”. For those who have their homeland - the anus, throat, Mesopotamia, Belarus, Judea and Samaria - look for a different platform for your dance ..

it is correct that the Communists were banned in Ukraine. There is a sense in this

Not only in this sense. And Cromwell was right. Both Robespierre and Danton. And your revered brothers Maccabees .. And Jesus .. But the one that is Nun. Yes?

Ajjh .. Residence - Minsk? Cool!
Still krucci - Fashington!

More in the closet no-no .. Good advice.

[Ajjh]

What was it?? What kind of stream of consciousness ... ??

[Support]

The USSR is my Motherland! The USSR is not a paradox, but the natural development of Society on Earth (in short). And having killed the USSR, the Society on Earth took a huge step back. Hence all the troubles and problems throughout Sharik. The main goal in Russia should be - the return of the principles on which the USSR lived and developed (whoever quacks about stagnation - that on the "red" face with a foot). Otherwise, the khan will be strangled to us sooner or later by the Jewish banking gang.

[O_s_c_a_R]

Let me repeat it.
The USSR destroyed capital.
Yes, the very one about which the Communists spoke to us, which Marx described in the work of the same name.
The very capital acquired by "back-breaking labor" by deception, deception, underweight, bribery, financial fraud, theft, bribery, then everyone can continue the list.
"Since banknotes are in circulation in the country, then there are people who have a lot of these banknotes" - a familiar saying? "Golden Calf" through the mouth of Bender about Koreiko, I hope you remember.
And what about "capital for the sake of a profit of 300%, ready for any crimes"

[Ajjh]

Most people who advocate returning to the union most likely simply did not find themselves in a new life, so it seems to them that it was better there. or they didn’t know anything else, but during that time they couldn’t find out. 25 years have passed !! generation!! and remained there - in the past ... horror!
Another very interesting question, do you know a lot of Americans personally? where did you hate this country from? Have you been to her? or is all knowledge taken from kisselTV and Brother 1/2?

[RUSS]

Quote: summer

Husband, did you just stupidly take place like a thief?

That is, in your opinion, the one who took place in present-day Russia is that thief?

[summer]

Well, what can I say?
Not everyone is greedy

How can I get such a condition?
- Necessarily need capital. At least a small, starting one.
- And how to get start-up capital?
“You definitely need a gun.” At least a small, starting one.

each ram hangs by its leg.
One in a hundred is not a thief.
he was simply made the "face" of the "equal opportunity" society

[RUSS]

Quote: Ajjh

Most people who advocate returning to the union most likely simply did not find themselves in a new life.

Rather yes than no.

[RUSS]

Quote: Private27

you please spread verbal diarrhea in your Bulbashia. And then ** was born in the USSR ** WHAT THERE WAS NOT REMEMBER but all thieves.

Private 27, and then you yourself? The flag on your avatar is Americanos.

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: Ajjh

Most people who advocate returning to the union most likely simply did not find themselves in a new life, so it seems to them that it was better there. or didn’t know anything else

Well, what’s not worse is for sure

Quote: Ajjh

Another very interesting question, do you know a lot of Americans personally? where did you hate this country from? Have you been to her? or is all knowledge taken from kisselTV and Brother 1/2?

I personally poop on tack, evenly without hatred

[O_s_c_a_R]

Quote: summer

Listen .. astyn .. Yes?

There is such a thing - banality.

Astyn. Yes?

If chiba sychaz has come, it doesn’t mean that fsoch sychaz has come ..

It used to be at the ABC level.

If you want to open someone’s eyes - in a kindergarten, school or university (present).

I am glad that such truths become, in spite of everything, accessible to the masses ..

Once upon a time there was a troll tchk

[RUSS]

Quote: O_s_c_a_R

Once upon a time there was a troll tchk

[summer]

Not a point - a comma.

Nehren discoveries of America to commit.

Through the window.

Although.
Fuck you fucking understand today?

Rubik's Cube - WAY.
A mabila - like from the Lord God went.

What's inside the phone is a piece of stone and some glass for you.

[summer]

I will prompt. Inside the bastard bastard, you are sitting a little old man Hottabych.

The price of any "bastard you" depends on the age of the gin - the younger the gin, the higher the price of the "vessel".

[RUSS]

Quote: summer

Not a point - a comma.

Nehren discoveries of America to commit.

Through the window.

Although.
Fuck you fucking understand today?

Rubik's Cube - WAY.
A mabila - like from the Lord God went.

What's inside the phone is a piece of stone and some glass for you.

What are we using?

[summer]

Are you a mushroom specialist?

I envy you - even in a crisis you will not remain without work.

Only the esli at the moment stuck out - the mushrooms would definitely not help here.
Get in touch later - after Baptism.
Although, to you, malanians, sho baptism, sho Christmas.

Usy is within the framework of your Mendelian law.

Shalom

[RUSS]

Quote: summer

Are you a mushroom specialist?

I envy you - even in a crisis you will not remain without work.

Only the esli at the moment stuck out - the mushrooms would definitely not help here.
Get in touch later - after Baptism.
Although, to you, malanians, sho baptism, sho Christmas.

Usy is within the framework of your Mendelian law.

Shalom

Here you really gawls, and yet under what ah? What are you throwing at?

[Ajjh]

Husband, did you just stupidly take place like a thief? Or ponty pound? Or didn’t take place at all? Who are you presenting to?

99,9% of the "held" simply robbed and robbed the nearby. Neighbors and relatives.

I do not quite understand thieves' jargon, so I ask you to communicate in normal language. And why if a person is rich, then that means a thief? why not immediately a rapist?

Who is this? Role Model? From comic book heroes?

No, the fact is that most people who want others do not really know much about them. I have friends both Yankees and Jews. And I don’t understand why people have such a fierce hatred of them

[summer]

I do not quite understand thieves' jargon, so I ask you to communicate in normal language.

Well, there is such a thing. Torn from the soil of the Motherland is obviously an outsider.
Here or -or.

Or take off the cross, or put on your underpants.

and I do not present special requirements for the IQ of the interlocutor.
After all, he said - there are platforms for informals, non-traditional orientation. There will be approvals for you. Believe me.

[summer]

99,9% of the "held" simply robbed and robbed the nearby. Neighbors and relatives.

on this topic to talk there is no desire and opportunity?
"Ours are being beaten"?
Well, everything is as usual - frostbitten

[Captain nemo]

Some of our / yours said "do not judge, yes, you will not be judged"
Lies "judge and only then you will not be judged" - well, think for yourself, how can you consider yourself "not judged" if I plucked up the courage / impudence took and condemned you for not getting into an argument with me, and surrendered to Your tacit consent to me without a fight?
Let us now take Gorbachev, who had "collapsed the USSR," and put ourselves in his place in the second decade of December 2.
What do you have :
0) New Year's greetings 1990 from MS Gorbachev, where he says that according to the plans of the CPSU, 1990 was the most difficult year in the plans of "perestroika", but the next 1991 will definitely be better than 1990. (-)
1) Spring referendum of 1991 on the preservation of the USSR. (+)
2) The August "coup" of the State Emergency Committee against the signing of the renewed union of "sovereign republics" (-)
3) The referendum of Ukraine in the first decade of December 1991 on withdrawal from the yet unsigned "renewed union". (-)
4) Bialowieza (-)
- Now let's assume the most unlikely - we put ourselves in the place of Gorbachev.
We calculate in Gorbachev's head the option with the arrests of Yeltsin, Kravchuk, Shushkevich - all the more so since there is a reason for this, because they reduced the whole "collapse" of Reagan to the fact that it is not possible to agree with the "center" Gorbachev-Ryzhkov, whereas in August it was the spring expression of the will of "their people" they all three perfectly agreed among themselves, and then suddenly not. And these are not at all trifles as you can count at first glance, this is nothing more than a change in your views on the same thing, but if it is just that betrayal and betrayal of everything that you said earlier.
Point "0" - yes, God take it, I wanted the best, but my friends let us down, and few people will blame you for this. Point "2" - external circumstances that you could not foresee, also not a great sin, but really dangerous for your life, but you are ready to sacrifice yourself for the sake of others. Point "3" is a dead end! Because even if I arrest all three, the results of the Ukrainian referendum will not be arrested, but the collapse of the union has already begun, and hardly anyone will prove that Yeltsin and Shushkevich were the same initiators as Kravchuk of this ukroreferendum, directly opposite to the spring one.
Clause "4" means little after clause "3", Ukraine is not in a renewed union and according to the Constitution of the USSR, Article 72, he will have to let her go like the Baltic states before.
What's next ? The withdrawal of the Central Asian republics from the "renewed union"? Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan definitely not Turkmenistan maybe. Azerbaijan is most likely also following Ukraine. It is difficult to decide with Belarus, most likely I would have seen what will happen next.
Well, who is to blame for the "collapse"? Gorbachev - so he is a consequence of the betrayal of the opinion of the people of Ukraine, and not only the Hetman Ukraine with its "originality" of the 1654 model, but also the one that very simply went to her in the fall of 1917 at the expense of Novorossiya and Slobozhanshchina with the capital in the "renewed" Ukraine in Kharkov, including votes Russians living there.
And what made them so drastically change their minds - GKChP?
No, not him, his own fear of not understanding what is happening, is exactly the same as before the NKVD at one time, and you can always find a whipping boy "Gorbachev" if you keep forgetting about what has already happened before the alleged "collapse" of the Ukroreferendum.

[muzhik]

I would give a lot for the right to end up in the USSR.

[Besmaster]

The arguments of supporters and opponents of the union flow from one forum and site to another, the same thing is everywhere. Opponents of the Union are talking about empty shelves or gray ugly clothes. About undeveloped and uncomfortable life. You, dear ones, simply do not understand the essence. Those who longingly recall the union do not at all advocate the return of all life in 100% of the volume. No one requires everyone to urgently remove the plastic windows and insert the wooden back. People yearn for power, flag, symbols, songs, power, the general idea. The USSR needed reforms - but only if reforms are carried out by patriots, then China is obtained from a socialist state, and if traitors are made, then Yeltsin Russia. Read how Den Xiaoping’s reforms began in China, how capitalism was admitted carefully and without allowing the country to be plundered. And we could have the same. The USSR could exist now, be a capitalist country under the leadership of the party and people. And the most important thing is the loss of territories; it cannot be justified by any system and way of life. The USSR will return, it will be called differently, but it will return as a Just State for the many peoples of Eurasia. But this was the main thing. Happy founding of the USSR! Glory to the Great Union! Glory to the people of the Victor!

[Selevc]

There are two main reasons for the collapse of the USSR - this is the betrayal of the elites and the work of Western intelligence agencies ... Everything else is just the background on which the events took place ... And modern liberals, saying that the USSR seemed to be doomed or about a fatal oil game, again impudently lying background for the reasons !!!


The USSR didn’t collapse on its own, they brought it down — and failed only with a second attempt !!!
It was impossible to destroy the USSR simply by tearing one republic or territory from the Union ... And then one but grandiose trick was invented - all this dirty fuss with the seemingly declaration of independence of the RSFSR ... Independence from whom? From yourself? This is not even funny !!! A powerful blow was inflicted, separating the metropolis from the outskirts in one fell swoop !!!

Behind all the events in the USSR of the late 80s called Perestroika are Western political technologies (advanced at the time of the end of the 80s) - this is all freedom of speech, publicity and a massive talking room - this did not happen all by itself ...
Let us recall the methods of work of Stalin - the leader usually silently listened to the speakers, smoked and thought, and already based on the data received, a balanced decision was made collegially !!!
Let’s remember the congresses of the Gorbachev era - everyone speaks from the high stands - they speak for days, months, years ... But no one listens to anyone ... A special information chaos is created behind the veil of which secretly destructive decisions are made for the country ... This is called undercover work ... These are suicidal decisions, no one in their right mind in the country would ever make, and nevertheless they are advancing hidden by the veil of Glasnost ... Everything ended with the ridiculous putsch theater !!!
In short, Perestroika is an operation covering the collapse of the USSR, and for example, the Ukraine project (launched immediately after the collapse of the USSR) covers the looting and destruction of a huge piece of the former USSR !!!

[Severok01]

It was interesting to live and our country was respected!

[nail]

Only a madman will destroy the house in order to rearrange the partition. It was possible to easily provide the people with everything necessary, especially since the State Reserve warehouses and other wholesale bases were packed to capacity, which he saw for himself, as he had been supplied from there more than once. . Everything was planned and executed by the fifth column and betrayal of the KGB led by Andropov, who managed to introduce traitors into the Politburo of the CPSU.

[sergei44442222]

Glory to the USSR!

[den-protector]

In 1991, the thief took revenge. Who the main bourgeoisie and politicians are with us now are the former party and Komsomol functionaries who replaced more than one political party. In due time V.I. Lenin aptly called such figures political prostitutes.