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American General on the need to prepare the army for urban battles

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In the near future, US troops may face the problem of fighting in densely populated megalopolises with skyscrapers and slums, so they should receive more realistic training, Brigadier General of the United States, Julian Elford, told Defense News.


American General on the need to prepare the army for urban battles


“I trained in many conditions - jungles, deserts, mountains, in cold weather - but I never really trained well in an urban environment,” the newspaper quotes General Look.

According to him, for the first time he “really dropped a bomb, fired a rocket, threw a grenade, killed a man in the urban environment”.

“We have to figure out how we are going to fight in this environment, as the forecast tells us that people all over the world are migrating, they are migrating to cities,” said Elford.

The publication explains that "it is entrusted to Elford to predict in what places the Marines (MP) can take part in battles, create a concept and conduct military exercises according to the created scenario in order to determine the possible scientific and technical equipment."

The general has already appealed to the IT-industry specialists with a request to join the training of troops "to fight in conditions that are becoming a reality." For this, he said, it is necessary to develop "imitations of some of the most difficult battles on earth."

And in this case we are not talking about the fight against any rebel formations. “One of the problems I faced when I started talking about fighting in the urban environment was that people immediately understood this as fighting the rebels. I'm talking about the high-tech struggle of equal forces, ”explained Elford.

“Training in conditions simulating the most difficult battles on the ground requires the development of not just the skills of individual servicemen, but also the well-coordinated work of entire units,” he stressed.

Earlier, the commandant of the US MP corps Robert Neller said that "to build a training ground that simulates the conditions of a modern metropolis is not easy."

The leadership of the corps was asked to train military personnel using virtual reality. “Using these technologies, you can enter the building, and new facilities can be added to any building,” said Major General James Lyukman, head of the United States Marine Corps Training and Education Team. “Some of these technologies have great promise in terms of training small units.”
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  1. Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 29 December 2015 19: 25 New
    25
    Better let them prepare their army for competent surrender: "Tovavrisch, do not shoot. Zdayus! Votka, matrioshka, palalaika!" And so that everyone has a white sheet. It is necessary. wassat
    1. Baikal
      Baikal 29 December 2015 19: 31 New
      45
      More like preparing for a civil war. With their. Aliens across the ocean will not climb.
      I hate popcorn, but then I would eat a bag am
      Coffins have already been bought ...
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 29 December 2015 19: 35 New
        10
        Quote: Baikal
        Aliens across the ocean will not climb.

        And if they are going to "climb across the ocean" and they no longer hide it?
        1. Sterlya
          Sterlya 29 December 2015 19: 46 New
          +2
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Quote: Baikal
          Aliens across the ocean will not climb.

          And if they are going to "climb across the ocean" and they no longer hide it?

          So they are kind of like the USSR are going to fight on foreign territory only.
          It’s not long to calculate where the General is going to fight.
          Los Angeles.
          And the American Shelma is right! laughing wassat
          1. sgazeev
            sgazeev 29 December 2015 20: 53 New
            +4
            Quote: Sterlya
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Quote: Baikal
            Aliens across the ocean will not climb.

            And if they are going to "climb across the ocean" and they no longer hide it?

            So they are kind of like the USSR are going to fight on foreign territory only.
            It’s not long to calculate where the General is going to fight.
            Los Angeles.
            And the American Shelma is right! laughing wassat
          2. andrew42
            andrew42 29 December 2015 21: 10 New
            +3
            Most likely, the general is thinking about a war in Ukraine. This is the only place where the United States in the near future can conduct limited ground operations in urban areas. In Afghanistan - they won’t climb for any carriages. In Syria - also unlikely.
            1. cap
              cap 29 December 2015 21: 47 New
              +1
              It seems that money needs to be squeezed out to Congress, some words of which are worth:
              “I’m talking about the high-tech struggle of equal forces,” explained Alford.
              “It’s not easy to build a training ground that simulates the conditions of a modern metropolis.”
              - “instructed to predict in what places the Marine Corps (MP) can take part in battles, create concept and conduct military exercises according to the created scenario in order that identify possible scientific and technical equipment».
              - it is necessary to develop "imitations of some of the most difficult battles on earth."
              - already turned to IT industry experts with a request to join the training of troops

              Elford to go to our Chubais for a consultation on the introduction of a nano test site.

              Here's how Colonel Paul Melody, director of the United Arms and Tactics Directorate, interprets urban combat:
              “We must force the enemy to fight in the city on our terms. In such battles there are no clear recommendations - where to move and how to shoot. We must strike the enemy until he is destroyed or surrenders. If necessary, these attacks "Our strategy is to break the enemy, not with numbers, but with power, to completely eliminate the possibility of organized resistance."

              It’s briefly clear and quite sensible. And does not ask for money.
              Alford rose to the rank of general and only began to "think".
              It’s no wonder that the main tactic is to raze everything to the ground, and then ride on Hammer.
            2. NEXUS
              NEXUS 29 December 2015 21: 55 New
              +1
              Quote: andrew42
              Most likely, the general is thinking about a war in Ukraine. This is the only place where the United States in the near future can conduct limited ground operations in urban areas.

              And where in Ukraine are there skyscrapers? Perhaps a hint of China.
              In the near future, American troops may face the problem of fighting in densely populated metropolitan areas with skyscrapers and slums,
            3. Mikhalych 70
              Mikhalych 70 29 December 2015 22: 32 New
              +2
              They have, like Detroit, a "dead city." Why not teach there? Or ours taught how to "cut" the loot ?!
            4. avia1991
              avia1991 29 December 2015 23: 44 New
              0
              Quote: andrew42
              Most likely, the general is thinking about a war in Ukraine

              No laughing the article clearly says:
              Elford “is tasked with predicting where the Marine Corps (MP) can take part in battles, create a concept and conduct military exercises according to the created scenario
              , and given his views on training in urban settings .. I would advise him to pay attention to New York .. wassat
        2. Mikhalych 70
          Mikhalych 70 29 December 2015 22: 30 New
          0
          The darkest will agree, all icebergs and Siberian Cranes will be on our side. laughing
      2. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 29 December 2015 19: 35 New
        +6
        Quote: Baikal
        Aliens across the ocean will not climb.

        What are strangers? When blacks with white Latinos begin to nag, then Russians will even be their own. Warrior liberators.
        1. Mr. Pip
          Mr. Pip 29 December 2015 21: 00 New
          0
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          When blacks with white latinos begin to nag

          Nobody will infringe on anyone there, the Negroes have been living there for a year already and further than "their areas" if they stick their nose out, then only if they work hi
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 29 December 2015 21: 19 New
          0
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Quote: Baikal
          Aliens across the ocean will not climb.

          What are strangers? When blacks with white Latinos begin to nag, then Russians will even be their own. Warrior liberators.

          If there will be a kneading in the USA, then it’s certainly not of national origin, rather separatist wars or anti-government protests.
          I also recommend the television movie of Alexander Gordon "America sunset"from the collection of errors."
      3. GSH-18
        GSH-18 29 December 2015 19: 37 New
        +7
        Quote: Baikal
        More like preparing for a civil war.

        Does not look like it:
        And in this case we are not talking about the fight against any rebel forces .... I’m talking about the high-tech struggle of equal forces, ”explained Elford

        In short, they are preparing to fight with us.
        1. Altona
          Altona 29 December 2015 19: 45 New
          0
          Quote: GSH-18

          In short, they are preparing to fight with us.

          ------------------
          It is unlikely ... A modern jihadist is also quite technological, has a smartphone and a game console. In modern games such as GTA 3,4 and 5, war scenarios with the police and the army at the upper levels are already being worked out.
          1. Tra-ta-ta
            Tra-ta-ta 30 December 2015 02: 08 New
            0
            Hardly...
            Jonik ..! Take a trip to our special forces .. !!!
            They will show you "on fingers and on eggs" all and without 4-D ...! laughing
            ps it seems You lost Your real Flag ..
        2. Baikal
          Baikal 29 December 2015 19: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: GSH-18
          In short, they are preparing to fight with us.

          Ours have nothing to do there ... But a war with parts of their armies as a result of a mess is a much more realistic option.
        3. kil 31
          kil 31 29 December 2015 19: 48 New
          23
          In the near future, American forces may face the problem of fighting in densely populated metropolitan areas with skyscrapers and slums, so they should undergo more realistic training
          There are no skyscrapers in Volgograd, there is Pavlov’s house. Each house will be for you, like the house of Pavlov. Nobody could teach to take such houses.
          1. CAMS
            CAMS 30 December 2015 04: 39 New
            0
            you never dreamed !!!!
          2. cyberspace
            cyberspace 30 December 2015 06: 01 New
            +1
            Quote: Kil 31
            Nobody could teach to take such houses.

            The question is who takes and who defends. Something I don’t remember in the 45th in Koenigsberg or Berlin was some kind of "Paul’s house"
      4. Horst78
        Horst78 29 December 2015 19: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: Baikal
        More like preparing for a civil war. With their. Aliens across the ocean will not climb.

        I agree. It was infa that the whole city in the United States was built for training. Yes, and in the United States this happens that they no longer have the world, in their Sshandia, to deal with the Aborigines (I'm not talking about the native Indians by the way).
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      6. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 29 December 2015 20: 36 New
        0
        Aliens across the ocean will launch rockets. Megacities are mainly concentrated in NATO countries.
      7. The comment was deleted.
      8. mojohed2012
        mojohed2012 29 December 2015 20: 54 New
        11
        But it infuriates me that even in modern films about Russia, and, in particular, a recent British film with a lie about Putin, only Russian pre-revolutionary songs, or those that were sung at the front during the Second World War, are included as soundtracks. Here we are shooting about the states and the EU and do not include the jazz of the 30 years, or the music of the times of the 2 world war of the former allies. So the US and European directors and correspondents are lazy, they are so uneducated and do not want to know about modern Russia by duplicating Soviet cliches and an old story about "gebnyu" and so on.
        We have long been no one dances squatting and does not call gypsies. They don’t go around in caps with earflaps with red stars, they don’t drink vodka everywhere and without a snack. Well, they don’t listen to our songs of the war years except May 9 and the days of memory ... I’m talking about why we simple Russian (Russian) people want to know about “them” how they live, what they breathe and what they listen to, and they about us (Participation of Russians in Eurovision is for them a show of Russians who, in addition to button accordion and balalaika, do not like "civilized" music)?
        In general, the “western” viewer is lazy and amorphous, does not want to see beyond his TV and refrigerator. And Western journalists and directors help them build a wall between Russia and the "western" world. A wall in the souls of people.
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      10. RUSS
        RUSS 29 December 2015 21: 13 New
        +3
        Quote: Baikal
        Coffins are already kind of bought ..

        It’s not the first year that infa is coming that the US police are massively rearming, and there are large purchases of plastic bags for corpses
        1. Extraneous
          Extraneous 29 December 2015 22: 15 New
          +1
          In addition to bags for corpses, amers have stored thousands of plastic coffins for six years.
          They have been preparing for something for a long time.
          Recently, they began to seize from the police the heavy weapons that they have (and there are many things, including tanks).
          And they began to urgently rearm the national guard.
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 29 December 2015 22: 33 New
            0
            Quote: Stranger
            In addition to bags for corpses, amers have stored thousands of plastic coffins for six years.
            They have been preparing for something for a long time.
            Recently, they began to seize from the police the heavy weapons that they have (and there are many things, including tanks).
            And they began to urgently rearm the national guard.
      11. zennon
        zennon 29 December 2015 22: 17 New
        0
        Quote: Baikal
        I hate popcorn, but then I would eat a bag

        Oh Baikal, you have to go on a mattress diet. Start training at McDonald's ...
      12. vkfriendly
        vkfriendly 30 December 2015 03: 26 New
        +1
        Well, it’s not for nothing that Grandma Wang predicted that the black president would be the last.
    2. Sunjar
      Sunjar 29 December 2015 19: 34 New
      +3
      Detroit is the place. And if one of the locals dies, then we can say that he resisted the police.
    3. Truth
      Truth 29 December 2015 19: 36 New
      +4
      I read the article twice ... does he want to prepare the US Army for a civil war on the territory of this crap USA?
      On this continent, it seems like no one is going to climb with a war.
      Yes ... the greatness of the United States is not only in the dollar, but also in the presence of unique idiots.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 29 December 2015 19: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: Truth
        American General on the need to prepare the army for urban battles

        The general is clearly facing a resignation - you can grind all sorts of rubbish, people shawl.
        1. Major Yurik
          Major Yurik 29 December 2015 20: 14 New
          +1
          I don’t know who he killed in a harlem with a grenade, but on the forum this general minuses like a machine gun, he was offended by the heart! laughing
      2. Yura
        Yura 29 December 2015 20: 38 New
        0
        Quote: Truth
        I read the article twice ... does he want to prepare the US Army for a civil war on the territory of this crap USA?

        In Konstatinopol preparing to fight with us. Maybe he meant it when he said:
        “One of the problems that I encountered when I started talking about the struggle in the urban environment was that people immediately understood this as a fight against the rebels. I'm talking about the high-tech struggle of equal forces“, Explained Alford.
    4. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 29 December 2015 19: 47 New
      +7
      I’ll venture to suggest that the general is tormented by a premonition of impending battles with rebel Americans of various skin colors, soldered by the brutal discipline of gangster gangs plundering American cities.
      They will start this as soon as the dollar system is dead.
      The rehearsal was in Los Angeles in 1993. For two weeks, ethnic gangs raided the city.
      They burned, robbed, raped. Half of the city burned.
      The National Guard entered the city under the guise of armored vehicles.
      1. Mikhail Krapivin
        Mikhail Krapivin 29 December 2015 20: 34 New
        +5
        And what, cool. For two weeks you’re trashing the city, burning, robbing, raping, and when the National Guard comes with armored vehicles, you just go home, take a shower, change clothes - and you are an exemplary citizen in a difficult situation, which the authorities are simply obliged to help! :)
        1. Strezhevchanin
          Strezhevchanin 29 December 2015 21: 03 New
          0
          Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
          What cool

          I already had a piece of squirrel from my mouth. It was a sinful affair that I thought that both in the United States and beyond, they do just that.
    5. Maksimiliano
      Maksimiliano 30 December 2015 02: 54 New
      +1
      As the great philosopher said wassat , it’s time for them to prepare for the earth!
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 30 December 2015 10: 11 New
        0
        Quote: Maksimiliano
        As the great philosopher said wassat , it’s time for them to prepare for the earth!

        Or as they say, "it's time to take a mud bath, to get used to the ground."
    6. Nitarius
      Nitarius 30 December 2015 05: 31 New
      0
      There is little laugh! After the destruction of control facilities and control centers of the country, the sweeping of big cities will just go! It’s not worth fighting in the villages!
    7. Douel
      Douel 30 December 2015 06: 26 New
      0
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      Better let them prepare their army for competent surrender: "Tovavrisch, do not shoot. Zdayus! Votka, matrioshka, palalaika!" And so that everyone has a white sheet. It is necessary. wassat

      I forgot the bear. ;-)
    8. diver1977
      diver1977 30 December 2015 07: 00 New
      0
      They are fools. Everything has been invented and translated into reality for a long time, you do not need to invest billions - Call of Duty, Battlefield, Counter-Strike and many other similar game universes imitate urban battles with a diverse (realistic) set of weapons and special equipment.
      It is necessary to seat the army behind computers and teach how to play normally)))
  2. Neko75
    Neko75 29 December 2015 19: 25 New
    +4
    We are used to only bombing those who can’t give an answer ... I’m sure that this will not help the American. Again, someone wanted to pocket some money from the budget.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 29 December 2015 19: 33 New
      +3
      Notice, he is already a solid general, and only now he has begun to "think". Progress, even Grachev nervously smokes on the sidelines ...
  3. 15ghost10
    15ghost10 29 December 2015 19: 26 New
    +6
    civil war expected in americos? well, let them show what democracy is.
  4. MAXUZZZ
    MAXUZZZ 29 December 2015 19: 27 New
    +6
    What is he hinting at? There are no skyscrapers in their oil interests. And if in our garden - then we still have forests, swamps and the main obstacle for the hottest goals - Russian frosts.
    1. Cobra77
      Cobra77 29 December 2015 19: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: MAXUZZZ
      What is he hinting at? There are no skyscrapers in their oil interests. And if in our garden - then we still have forests, swamps and the main obstacle for the hottest goals - Russian frosts.


      The best obstacle is nuclear weapons at the moment. Everything else in the form of weather and terrain is unlikely to stop anyone, as the Germans did not stop, our grandfathers stopped them.
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 29 December 2015 19: 40 New
      +2
      Yeah, and we don’t have so many big cities with slums. But there is my neighbor who not only "will tear off the trunk to the elephant." We have snow here falling as it should. This morning, a man is driving her, and she is outside the door frame ... and forward, let's go ... The machine is not a little behx X3. Yes, each of us, if you think about it, has such neighbors.
  5. Neko75
    Neko75 29 December 2015 19: 28 New
    0
    It is quite possible and civil war, well, at least unrest. Some states of freedom want ...
    1. Mr. Pip
      Mr. Pip 29 December 2015 21: 03 New
      0
      Quote: Neko75
      Some states of freedom want

      Only in the yellow press - in fact, no state went beyond a few "fanatics".
  6. science fiction writer
    science fiction writer 29 December 2015 19: 28 New
    +4
    “I trained in many conditions - the jungle, deserts, mountains, in cold weather - but I really never trained well in an urban environment,”

    So you at first level the cities with the earth and then storm famously. Vobschem enough noodles we hang about rehearsals.
    tell the truth bastard, what did you invent ??? am
  7. MIKHALYCH1
    MIKHALYCH1 29 December 2015 19: 28 New
    +8
    Well, you the USA came to your senses late ... Sanctions are yours, to our advantage! The morale was strengthened by many even more!Can you give up right away? bully
    1. tolian
      tolian 29 December 2015 22: 09 New
      0
      If you jerk, then in vain. I predict an ambulance (on a historical scale, not tomorrow) the uselessness of both airplanes and helicopters. Like, long ago unnecessary, rusty aircraft carriers.
  8. basmach
    basmach 29 December 2015 19: 30 New
    +1
    Well, there are enough megalopolises in the states, you can find where to practice, and bother with hell with virtual reality. Reality should be as close to reality as possible. But with whom they really want to fight in megacities, because he says that he is talking about "the high-tech struggle of equal forces."
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 29 December 2015 19: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: basmach
      to hell with virtual reality. Reality should be as close to reality as possible.

      The West has long been living in virtual reality .. They all must!
      1. gg.na
        gg.na 29 December 2015 20: 47 New
        +2
        They are not just in virtual, they live in some kind of super-virtual reality! what Yes, they do so successfully that we don’t understand the nonsense that they carry out of all their nonsense! negative
  9. 76SSSR
    76SSSR 29 December 2015 19: 31 New
    +5
    really dropped a bomb, shot a rocket, threw a grenade, killed a man in an urban environment

    Could it be that Belgrade remembered the Texan ghoul, they were unbeatable masters in the cities mocking from heaven.
  10. sinoptic
    sinoptic 29 December 2015 19: 31 New
    +4
    Earlier, the commandant of the US MP corps Robert Neller said that "to build a training ground that simulates the conditions of a modern metropolis is not easy."


    Go to Detroit, buddy.
    1. ovod84
      ovod84 29 December 2015 19: 36 New
      +2
      Well said
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 29 December 2015 21: 36 New
      0
      Quote: sinoptic
      Earlier, the commandant of the US MP corps Robert Neller said that "to build a training ground that simulates the conditions of a modern metropolis is not easy."


      Go to Detroit, buddy.

      Why in Detroit it is possible to visit us in the abandoned city of Kadykchan
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 29 December 2015 22: 05 New
        0
        Quote: RUSS
        Kadikchan city
        1. Mikhalych 70
          Mikhalych 70 29 December 2015 22: 44 New
          +4
          After the exercises?
  11. Jozhkin Cat
    Jozhkin Cat 29 December 2015 19: 35 New
    +6
    Imagine how to storm a skyscraper?
    Everything inside me is already icing up, God forbid to go on such an assault, it’s easier to blow it wassat
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 December 2015 05: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Jozhkin the Cat
      Imagine how to storm a skyscraper?

      To send a plane to it and all business. Exercises on the assault on skyscrapers in the United States were already held in September 2001.
  12. Barakuda
    Barakuda 29 December 2015 19: 38 New
    +5
    killed a man in an urban environment

    Bastard am What country did you kill him in, bastard.
  13. 933454818
    933454818 29 December 2015 19: 42 New
    +3
    I’m already preparing the Portuguese morally that when Europe will be full of Muslim refugees, Russia will be the only place free from them. And in Russia there is a lot of free space only in Siberia, so I tell the Portuguese you have a direct road to Siberia. a small one — only 10 million people live in Portugal — for Russia it’s a drop in the bucket. They laugh, but some people don’t want to go to Siberia before, they say there’s no wine ...
    1. Siberia 9444
      Siberia 9444 29 December 2015 19: 56 New
      +4
      Well, why do we need Portuguese in Siberia !!! We ourselves need to multiply! We have a school (bloody of course) but there are 62 Chuikov's army. Taking high-rise buildings is how many rounds and grenades you need to take for an assault group, and yes, explosives for breaks.
    2. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 29 December 2015 21: 40 New
      +1
      But there is drinking alcohol!
    3. 24rus
      24rus 30 December 2015 06: 11 New
      -1
      We don’t need here 10 million people who are still Portuguese, and so the earth rises in price
  14. Cobra77
    Cobra77 29 December 2015 19: 52 New
    +3
    Quote: Neko75
    It is quite possible and civil war, well, at least unrest. Some states of freedom want ...


    Do not confuse problems with gangs and trailer gopot with interstate civil war. There if that and their nat. the guard will handle it. Civil there is possible only under the condition of either major disasters, or a collapse of the economy to the level of Ukraine. And this does not threaten them in the coming decades. First of all, they will ruin everything than they themselves will go around the world and slide into riots. Still, we need to soberly evaluate our "potential partners." In fact, the stability of the Russian Federation is significantly worse than mattresses now. First of all, because of our "elites" and their domestic politics.
  15. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 29 December 2015 19: 52 New
    0
    I do not exclude the possibility that in the future we will have a complete change in the priorities of the United States and they will want to take control of oil in the Persian Gulf by seizing Qatar, Saudi Arabia and their other vassals. Why keep the dolls in power, if you can manage everything yourself, then the USA will overwhelm the world is super-cheap oil and will bring down the economies of many countries. and in these countries there are skyscrapers and everything else ...
  16. Cobra77
    Cobra77 29 December 2015 19: 54 New
    +2
    Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
    I do not exclude the possibility that in the future we will have a complete change in the priorities of the United States and they will want to take control of oil in the Persian Gulf by seizing Qatar, Saudi Arabia and their other vassals. Why keep the dolls in power, if you can manage everything yourself, then the USA will overwhelm the world is super-cheap oil and will bring down the economies of many countries. and in these countries there are skyscrapers and everything else ...


    Why waste resources on personal leadership if you can keep dolls? Dolls are always more profitable if you are not going to engage in colonization. But they are not going to.
  17. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 29 December 2015 19: 58 New
    +1
    They still have to study and study - in the city, on the beaches, in summer cottages, in resorts, in vegetable stores and poultry farms ...
    Well, virtual reality is indispensable.
  18. Kibl
    Kibl 29 December 2015 19: 58 New
    +1
    That's right, let them get ready for street fighting tactics, come in handy! If the American police continue to shoot Negroes in the streets of their cities, then the National Guard will really have to conduct street battles, but not in Iraq or elsewhere, but in the USA itself! Well and good!
  19. evil partisan
    evil partisan 29 December 2015 19: 59 New
    +3
    Not in the subject, of course, but how to say ...:
    either on the Bigler, or else where I read about the American base in Manas. In short. at the time when NATO brought democracy and liberalism to Afghanistan, there was a staging post for all kinds of fur seals, green berets, Willis bruises, diesel wines, Norris chucks and other mickey mouse with supermen. Arriving, they got out of the S-130 Hercules and walked around the airfield, stretching their super legs, super hands and super asses. Cossacks of small stature ran up to the "cat" that had fought off the pack and in their Kazakh language asked to help save the kitten, which fell onto the tree behind that barn. The cat, of course, was trying to understand what this Asian needed. But behind the cat’s barn, there were several healthy foreheads who quickly freed the cat from its supermunication, all kinds of beautiful colts, Rambo knives, berets, sunglasses, fotiks, gps-navigators and gave out a padded jacket, kirzachi and b \ y x \ b, they gave a light kick and disappeared towards Baikonur. I'm not an author, I just read this story a few years ago.

    Source: http://politikus.ru/events/66530-ukrainskaya-mechta-vstupit-v-nato.html
    Politikus.ru
    1. Mikhalych 70
      Mikhalych 70 29 December 2015 22: 50 New
      +4
      The Kazakhs, it seems to me, have nothing to do with Manas ... There is another titular nation ... Kirghiz. And to Baikonur there are 6 cubits on the map ...
  20. jovanni
    jovanni 29 December 2015 20: 00 New
    +3
    Quote: 933454818
    They laugh, but some people don’t want to go to Siberia before, they say there’s no wine ...


    Yes, let them not steam, - moonshine heaps ...
  21. Baloo
    Baloo 29 December 2015 20: 08 New
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    The general realized "what have you done," realized the scale of the ISIS monster, which will soon spread to the FSA?
  22. raid14
    raid14 29 December 2015 20: 21 New
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    All they need vultures, craving for revenge for 1812,1945.
    For them, Russia is a "tidbit" in terms of territories and minerals, an eternal rival for "world domination."
  23. Izotovp
    Izotovp 29 December 2015 20: 25 New
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    They have gone through a real war, trained veterans, including in gangs, and in terms of equipment, these gangs have gone close to regular forces — almost all of them are accessible from equipment and weapons. So it’s easy they won’t be there if something happens.
  24. TARAS BULBA
    TARAS BULBA 29 December 2015 20: 26 New
    +2
    Quote: Baikal
    More like preparing for a civil war. With their. Aliens across the ocean will not climb.
    I hate popcorn, but then I would eat a bag am
    Coffins have already been bought ...


    and the "camps" were built ...
  25. family
    family tree 29 December 2015 20: 28 New
    +6
    Well eat the fires, study
    An automaton is on the neck, 10 grenades are at hand, courage is in the heart. Act! ..
    Break into the house together - you are a grenade. Both should be dressed lightly: you - without a duffel bag, a grenade - without a shirt.
    Break in like this: a grenade is ahead, and you are behind it! Go through the whole house again with a grenade: a grenade in front, and you behind it! .. In every corner - a grenade! Forward! Machine queue for the remains of ceilings; a little - a grenade, and again forward! Another room is a grenade! A turn is still a grenade! ..
    Commander of the legendary 62nd Army Lieutenant General V. Chuykov
    1. evil partisan
      evil partisan 29 December 2015 20: 47 New
      +3
      Hi Vova! drinks
      Somewhere I came across a brochure (scan) under the title (approximately) "Tactics of Assault Groups" edition of 44 years. I read it with interest. It’s a pity, I didn’t download it in due time, but now I couldn’t find it ...
      1. kil 31
        kil 31 29 December 2015 21: 28 New
        +2
        Quote: wicked partisan
        Hi Vova! drinks
        Somewhere I came across a brochure (scan) under the title (approximately) "Tactics of Assault Groups" edition of 44 years. I read it with interest. It’s a pity, I didn’t download it in due time, but now I couldn’t find it ...

        Did you mean that?
        1. evil partisan
          evil partisan 29 December 2015 21: 47 New
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          Yes, it looks like it. Thank! hi
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 29 December 2015 22: 30 New
          +4
          Quote: Kil 31
          Quote: wicked partisan
          Hi Vova! drinks
          Somewhere I came across a brochure (scan) under the title (approximately) "Tactics of Assault Groups" edition of 44 years. I read it with interest. It’s a pity, I didn’t download it in due time, but now I couldn’t find it ...

          Did you mean that?

          Recently I watched a report from Volgograd about the Battle of Stalingrad, and so an employee of the Museum of Defense of Stalingrad told the following story: "during the first Chechen in the 90s, they had an active employee in the museum, I don’t remember which of the power structures, so he asked the Soviet manual 40s on the conduct of battles in an urban environment, as it later turned out to be very helpful for our soldiers in our time.
          1. family
            family tree 29 December 2015 22: 44 New
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            Quote: RUSS
            and so he asked the museum workers of the Soviet training manual of the 40s about conducting battles in urban conditions

            Legend. They were able to without training manuals. Storm 333
            There was such an uncle, we have Pavlov, in Bulgaria Pancevsky, commander of the 12th SISBR RGK, then in Bulgaria he was Minister of Defense http://militera.lib.ru/memo/other/panchevsky_p/index.html
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 29 December 2015 22: 51 New
              +1
              Quote: perepilka
              Legend. They were able to without training manuals.

              Legend? Why should museum workers lie? Of course, there was experience without old manuals, but you can always learn something very important from the past from the experience of our fathers and grandfathers.
              1. family
                family tree 29 December 2015 23: 04 New
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                They scooped from them, but why take it from the museum, if everything is already planned. Or do you think that the experience of grandfathers is forgotten? Figs, here, everything is accumulated and systematized, and even added. request
      2. family
        family tree 29 December 2015 22: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: wicked partisan
        Somewhere I came across a brochure (scan) under the title (approximately) "Tactics of Assault Groups" edition of 44 years.

        It seems like I was walking along chipboard before, but, it seems, another brochure was, it seems.
        Hi drinks
        1. evil partisan
          evil partisan 29 December 2015 22: 44 New
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          Quote: perepilka
          another brochure was

          Well so push your brain winkremember the name! Find, no question.
          Hi! drinks
          1. family
            family tree 29 December 2015 23: 10 New
            +1
            Quote: wicked partisan
            Well Duc push the brain wink, remember the name!

            what About 25 years old. I’m the main one in terms of explosives, I forgot the name already, I only remember trotyl, tetryl, hexogen, from the initiating explosive mercury, but lead azide, but the name of the textbook request Well, the weight distribution of TNT is still 400, 200 and 75 drilling
            Ishcho "fenka" in a glass on the doors repeat
  26. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 29 December 2015 20: 34 New
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    The mattress has its own fears, some states do not want to feed the loafers, that is, to separate and live better, if we admit that the mattress with their democracy will fall apart like a house of cards.
  27. satelit24
    satelit24 29 December 2015 20: 38 New
    +1
    To enter a strange city! - you must be able to do the same!
  28. Earnest
    Earnest 29 December 2015 21: 12 New
    +6
    Quote: 933454818
    I’m already preparing the Portuguese morally that when Europe will be full of Muslim refugees, Russia will be the only place free from them. And in Russia there is a lot of free space only in Siberia, so I tell the Portuguese you have a direct road to Siberia. a small one — only 10 million people live in Portugal — for Russia it’s a drop in the bucket. They laugh, but some people don’t want to go to Siberia before, they say there’s no wine ...

    Let them turn, we will be happy to explain how to live in Siberia. Wash from Ob, throw a little hump in the Yenisei, drink from a hole on Lake Baikal, then such a table will become habitual (five-minute caviar, baked pumpkin, Abakan sterlet, moonshine, eggs, bread - your own, homemade):
  29. pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 29 December 2015 21: 18 New
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    Evo as the series Judge Dredd in real life in the southern US states? He ran for popcorn.
  30. Olegater
    Olegater 29 December 2015 21: 26 New
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    We have to think about this article. Firstly: military hints and statements sometimes come true (they themselves create the conditions for this) and they must be treated with caution. Well, for example, the forum users didn’t forget the statements of the louse’s Minister of Defense that Russia will see the falling planes in Syria? Secondly: warriors of such a plan sometimes slip out, maybe flaunt their importance and combat experience? Looking through an interview with this warrior, several points were alarmed: "US troops may face in the near future with the problem of fighting in densely populated metropolitan areas with skyscrapers and slums " Those. set a period of time. I wonder what year, two, three, six months? Further: And in this case we are not talking about the fight against any rebel forces“One of the problems that I encountered when I started talking about the struggle in the urban environment was that people immediately understood this as a fight against the rebels. I'm talking about the high-tech struggle of equal forces», i.e. in the face of radio jamming, the use of drones. Well, jackals have something not observed drones. Along with them, only Russia can fight. And further: The corps leadership proposed to train military personnel using virtual reality. “Using these technologies, you can enter the building, and new objects can be added to any building,” said Major General James Luckman, head of the US Marine Corps Training and Education Team. - Some of these technologies have great prospects in terms of training small units». Well, about lice technology, everyone has heard - well, where without them. But the preparation of small units and in megacities is something new. And in the end, we remain. Dear forum users, do not console yourself with illusions about the uprising of the oppressed colored masses on the territory of lice. If necessary, they will flood everything in the blood of the rebels there, even if it will be their citizens. And I don’t panic - I’m just trying to make out everything in places, which would be clear.
  31. Sergey333
    Sergey333 29 December 2015 21: 41 New
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    This is who they are going to fight in the city? With your people?
  32. From Samara
    From Samara 29 December 2015 21: 48 New
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    The 75th Ranger Regiment is well trained in the United States, but these are MTR troops ...
  33. tehnokrat
    tehnokrat 29 December 2015 22: 10 New
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    If this is not a stuffing to monitor the reaction, if the general does not rave and not from a hangover, then the speech, IMHO, is about the battles in European or Middle Eastern cities. Reason?
    1. The marines are mentioned, but these are still troops for landing on foreign territory, they have training, technical equipment, and structure that are imprisoned for the tasks of the external front.
    So, they want to fight not at home. And for "their" they have the National Guard.
    2. For the war with us, on our territory, why do they need battles in the cities? Why do they need our cities? During a ground operation, they need to occupy our energy facilities (nuclear power plants, hydroelectric power stations) with their troops, block the transport arteries (strategic railway lines, airports, highways). Our communication centers can simply be destroyed (they themselves will use their communication systems: satellite, for example). But neither in transport, nor in energy there are neither skyscrapers, nor slums.
    So, not with us.
    It remains:
    3. Cities of Europe that have been hit by our missile defense. Distances in Europe are small, you hit the missile defense system, you hit the neighboring city; or
    4. Cities in Turkey, Israel, Qatar, etc., whom they want to get involved in a war with us.
    And in paragraph 3. and in clause 4, there are skyscrapers and slums. But with whom do they intend to fight there?
    Well, for example, with formations that do not support the existing pro-American power: those who refused to subordinate part of the army, rebels, etc., as well as with our special forces.
    Here is such a couch amateurish version.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 29 December 2015 22: 22 New
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      Quote: tehnokrat
      Here is such a couch amateurish version.

      I think your analysis is not entirely true. Now the United States and China have very strained relations and an overwhelming interest, especially in the matter of maritime territories. In Turkey or Qatar do mattresses fight with whom? With their main allies in the Middle East? Or in Europe? There and so on under the heel of the United States ... But with China, the mattresses have a lack of understanding and a clear hostility, due to the fact that the Chinese are increasingly identifying themselves as a counterweight to US forces both at sea and on land.
    2. glasha3032
      glasha3032 30 December 2015 02: 04 New
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      It is strange that you did not indicate Ukraine. Probably in Donetsk there are already buildings above 9 floors - why not a skyscraper? And the DPR army (+ Russian advisers) may well be called high-tech.
  34. Extraneous
    Extraneous 29 December 2015 22: 35 New
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    Given the escalating struggle for resources - operations are supposed in the areas where they are, these resources. And that means using nuclear weapons is impractical.
    The main resource holders are Russia, the Near and Middle East, the Caspian, and Latin America.
    In Russia, you can endure the entire European part of nuclear weapons and capture everything beyond the Urals. In this case, the Far East will have to be taken with conventional weapons. But the probability of an answer by the same nuclear weapons makes this option doubtful.

    In my opinion, the most likely version is the Arabian Peninsula. There are resources to bald bali, and cities with skyscrapers are found. And those who now own this farm are not very suitable for Americans as partners. It really hurts the sheathrops of the sheikh and his own mind.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 29 December 2015 22: 54 New
      0
      Quote: Stranger
      In my opinion, the most likely version is the Arabian Peninsula. There are resources to bald bali, and cities with skyscrapers are found. And those who now own this farm are not very suitable for Americans as partners. It really hurts the sheathrops of the sheikh and his own mind.

      The Saudis are a soap bubble, if the Americans want to take them with their bare hands, and not even with their own, the neighbors will help.
  35. tehnokrat
    tehnokrat 29 December 2015 22: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: NEXUS
    Now the United States and China have very strained relations and overlap of interests, especially in the issue of maritime territories.

    Thanks for the replica! China, I agree, may already be among the "likely opponents" of the SGA.
    But a ground operation in China? ..
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 29 December 2015 22: 58 New
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      Quote: tehnokrat
      But a ground operation in China? ..

      The cartridge is not enough laughing
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 30 December 2015 13: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: RUSS
        The cartridge is not enough

        Well, Damansky Island is talking about something else ... there was enough of everything, although this was not a massive conflict.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 30 December 2015 13: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: tehnokrat
      But a ground operation in China? ..

      And were we seriously not preparing to level Europe with tanks during the Soviet era? Now the main adversary, both economic and military for the United States, is more China than we are. And our cooperation, including the exchange of technology, with China cannot leave the White House calm for sure .
  36. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta 29 December 2015 23: 44 New
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    In the near future, American troops may face the problem of fighting in densely populated metropolitan areas with skyscrapers, etc. ...
    ..Get ready immediately for the war on Mars .. and the whole world will breathe a sigh of relief ...
  37. ViewfromUSA
    ViewfromUSA 29 December 2015 23: 59 New
    -2
    In fact, photographs of Grozny after the second war would become a good allowance for the general general - he would have razed everything! Well, as in Syria now - who needs a spot sweep, destroy everything in a row, otherwise it makes itself up as a liberal-intellectual!
    1. almen1
      almen1 30 December 2015 02: 49 New
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      By the way, it was after Grozny that there was information that the Americans were very interested in the experience of street fighting.
  38. liza1999
    liza1999 30 December 2015 00: 02 New
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    Yes, any kid here is ready for war in the conditions of ,, virtual reality. "They stop urinating a person on a computer every day instead of lessons. A general woke up. By the way, there are such generals in Estonia, with a population of three districts of St. Petersburg, to hell. There is even a “general" - the commander of the Air Force! Also virtual ...
    1. Tra-ta-ta
      Tra-ta-ta 30 December 2015 00: 29 New
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      Be careful ..!
      Here, on the site, there are also enough of them .. !!! laughing
  39. Gardener91
    Gardener91 30 December 2015 01: 00 New
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    Yes, the lessons of Stalingrad, the capture of Kharkov and the cities of eastern Europe are inaccessible to their exceptional mind. It is easier to erase cities from the face of the Earth with bombardments. Freshly remember Dresden and southern Italy, and many other “military operations” in urban settings. Megacities are damn.
  40. Michael easily
    Michael easily 30 December 2015 03: 06 New
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    It looks like the guys are bleached ate ..t ...)
  41. Evil 55
    Evil 55 30 December 2015 04: 12 New
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    Well, the megalopolises and skyscrapers of New York and Fashington, the slums of Chicago and New Orleans ... It's time to get ready,
  42. Nehist
    Nehist 30 December 2015 04: 16 New
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    Gentlemen, comrades !!! What do you comment with irony? Fighting in urban areas is one of the most difficult types! In addition to the Wehrmacht and the SA, no one ever studied it or created special units for fighting in the city. So from the point of view of a normal military, he correctly voiced the problem! Maybe enough to shield a potential enemy with idiots? Don't you think?
    1. lukewarm
      lukewarm 30 December 2015 10: 22 New
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      I agree with the latter. And here
      Quote: Nehist
      In addition to the Wehrmacht and the SA, no one ever studied it or created special units for fighting in the city.

      If so, then in vain. Already in the cities are fighting and fighting. Over the centuries...
    2. Baxban
      Baxban 30 December 2015 16: 20 New
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      Nehist is a folk tradition, first throwing hats and then meeting the adversary with a bare ass. "Still give birth" because ....
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  44. mamont5
    mamont5 30 December 2015 08: 24 New
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    "The corps leadership has proposed training military personnel using virtual reality."

    Yes, in virtual reality they will train their military ... In short, they will learn to fight in computer games, since American weapons do not refuse there, because by definition, "the best."
  45. lukewarm
    lukewarm 30 December 2015 10: 20 New
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    Well, soak in the counter-strike and you will be happy, mattresses ... laughing
  46. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 30 December 2015 10: 40 New
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    Skyscrapers, tall buildings are now being built everywhere.
    And in Africa among the slums, and in the Middle East.
    In general, urban areas + suburbs
    merge in many countries into single arrays for hundreds of kilometers.
    Those. combat actions almost always take place nearby
    from the skyscrapers. This is a new reality.
    And any army should be prepared for it.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 30 December 2015 12: 44 New
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      And in Africa among the slums

      For example Cairo
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 30 December 2015 19: 04 New
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        Right! When er. the army defeated the Egyptian strike forces in 1973, and the convoy of the erstwhile tanks moved demonstratively to Cairo. It was a bluff before the truce. Then hot heads say: "we would take Cairo!" Fig two! Large city. Neither hold nor hold
        with our meager human resources would not have succeeded ...