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China intends to use Su-35 purchased from the Russian Federation to patrol disputed islands

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China plans to use Su-35 fighters purchased in Russia to patrol disputed territories in the South China Sea, reports Look with reference to the portal Defense World.




According to the resource, it was the tense situation around the disputed islands that led the Chinese to the decision to conclude a contract for the purchase of Russian aircraft.

“China plans to counter the Su-35 American threat. Now Beijing is developing two fifth-generation fighter jets at once (J-20 and J-31), but it takes time to build them, and effective combat aircraft are needed now, ”the portal writes.

It is planned that in the disputed areas the fighters will be on duty around the clock - “the ability of the aircraft to take off from a short runway will allow them to be placed on the artificial islands themselves,” writes the resource.

In addition, according to Defense World, Russia will transmit to China "a number of technologies, such as the Irbis-E radar, capable of detecting the American stealth aircraft F-35 90 kilometers away, and the Russian 117С engine."

Earlier, a TASS source reported that “fighters will be handed over to the People's Republic of China in the standard version (for the Russian Aerospace Force of the Russian Federation). The issues of their "chinaization" are currently being coordinated with the Chinese side and will be formalized with a separate contract. "

Vzglyad reminds that in November, Beijing signed a contract with Moscow for the purchase of the X-NUMX-x of the latest SU-24 multi-role fighters.
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  1. Sterlya
    Sterlya 29 December 2015 12: 39 New
    +8
    In short, the Chinese decided to speed up the creation of their! Analogs of the Su-35. And before the planes of the 5th generation, I’m afraid they are not enough. But knowing the stubbornness of the Chinese. Will create.
    1. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx 29 December 2015 12: 45 New
      +9
      Yeah. Ten years later and with a resource of several tens of hours. )))
      1. Sterlya
        Sterlya 29 December 2015 12: 56 New
        +6
        Quote: Al_lexx
        Yeah. Ten years later and with a resource of several tens of hours. )))

        They are already creating not bad things. Everything is dictated by the market.
        I needed a cheap consumer goods, and so on you. Need a dear reliable, they will do. There would be a demand. They already have some experience.
        So do not think that China will forever drive the rawhide. (my opinion)
        1. Al_lexx
          Al_lexx 29 December 2015 13: 18 New
          +5
          The market dictates everything correctly. Figl they do not, if the equipment is American and European, with rare exceptions? And in terms of cheap consumer goods, that’s how he went and goes only to Russia and only because it is our merchants who ask for such goods.
          In America, two-thirds of consumer goods are Chinese. Despite the fact that few people complain about quality. Because for America.
          But here's the thing .. A modern fighter, this is not a microwave. And if they could make good engines, they would not buy these dryers. If you are not aware of the details of the contract, then the Chinese wanted to buy exactly and only the engines, since theirs do not stand up to any criticism regarding the reliability and resource. But ours said that to figs. Like, buy all the planes, as well as our spare parts and general technical support.
          And the fact that they are thrown at the hottest section of the Chinese border speaks volumes.

          ..
          Yes, when the thread is done. But they still will very, very much need time to develop their engineering school and keep up with us. Hardly sooner than through 15-20let. But to me personally, then it will all be completely in the big orchestral.
          1. dauria
            dauria 29 December 2015 13: 39 New
            -6
            But they still need a very, very long time to build up their engineering school and keep up with us.


            It is a pity that by that time our own school (already lame) is not that "in the foot", it will simply crawl. The designer is tied to industry opportunities and available technologies. And with this trouble.
            1. leon-iv
              leon-iv 29 December 2015 15: 34 New
              +1
              What technologies are you talking about?
              1. dauria
                dauria 29 December 2015 17: 33 New
                0
                What technologies are you talking about?


                For example? Try to design a simple thing, at least a video card for your computer, without using foreign element base and technologies for manufacturing and assembling a printed circuit board, (at least suitable for use, not that "advanced"). Or a "smart" and acceptable in size filling 57 mm shell. Or a line for manufacturing composite panels, as for the F-35.

                The British “invented” the sheathing of the bottoms of sailing ships with copper, why didn't the French and Spaniards “invent” this? Yes, they just did not have either copper or rolled metal in the right quantities.
          2. Sterlya
            Sterlya 29 December 2015 14: 03 New
            +3
            Quote: Al_lexx
            But here's the thing .. A modern fighter, this is not a microwave. And if they could make good engines, they would not buy these dryers. If you are not aware of the details of the contract, then the Chinese wanted to buy exactly and only the engines, since theirs do not stand up to any criticism regarding the reliability and resource. But ours said that to figs. Like, buy all the planes, as well as our spare parts and general technical support.

            So you just don’t tell them that at the end you need to process the file ....
            I mean, if you sold it, it means that the technology will not be disclosed.
            Unless there is another Belenko. who will already be able to transfer technology. Yes, I think about this, too, were insured. Once so valuable.
        2. Sharapov
          Sharapov 29 December 2015 14: 54 New
          +2
          Yeah, already created. But for some reason, at the tank biathlon, our tank overtook the steep Chinese as a standing one?
        3. Lex.
          Lex. 29 December 2015 17: 53 New
          +1
          They are already creating not bad things. Everything is dictated by the market.
          But what about your engine?
          So the Chinese do not have a school in engine building and the fighter engine means a lot
      2. Skifotavr
        Skifotavr 29 December 2015 13: 35 New
        -6
        Why create when you can copy? They are especially interested in the engine and radar. For this, they are acquired. Everyone already knows about it, but Russia is afraid to refuse.
        1. remy
          remy 29 December 2015 15: 00 New
          0
          the main thing is not to rush. nevertheless, China needs to sell the lightened (not serial) version of the fighter, such as the Su-35K, by analogy with the Su-30MKI / MK, etc. Well, like the Chinese, Algerian, Indian version of the aircraft.
        2. Denis Obukhov
          Denis Obukhov 29 December 2015 15: 41 New
          +3
          Quote: Skifotavr
          Why create when you can copy? They are especially interested in the engine and radar. For this, they are acquired. Everyone already knows about it, but Russia is afraid to refuse.



          Opponents of the contract forget about one of the main components of a combat aircraft, the engine and its engine life. If the Chinese can do glider and avionics themselves, they have big problems with the engine for their aircraft. Therefore, the Su-35th is bought. Undoubtedly, they will disassemble both the radar and the engine of the 35th on the “cogs”. But this is not enough. We must also assemble our product from the copied "cogs", which is not inferior in power and motor resources to the original - and this is very difficult, if at all possible. Even the Americans, with their engineering school, how many years have been trying to copy the RD-180, still get worse than ours - in the end they are forced to buy reluctantly, how does the great American nation buy engines from “backward and aggressive” Russia
          1. Skifotavr
            Skifotavr 29 December 2015 20: 45 New
            -1
            Quote: Denis Obukhov

            Opponents of the contract forget about one of the main components of a combat aircraft, the engine and its engine life. If the Chinese can do glider and avionics themselves, they have big problems with the engine for their aircraft. Therefore, the Su-35th is bought. Undoubtedly, they will disassemble both the radar and the engine of the 35th on the “cogs”. But this is not enough. We must also assemble our product from the copied "cogs", which is not inferior in power and motor resources to the original - and this is very difficult, if at all possible. Even the Americans, with their engineering school, how many years have been trying to copy the RD-180, still get worse than ours - in the end they are forced to buy reluctantly, how does the great American nation buy engines from “backward and aggressive” Russia

            That's just in copying the Chinese have no equal. Moreover, some technologies they have from previously accumulated or produced under license. They simply compare the internal structure of everything new, find know-how and try not only to copy, but also to understand it. The best scientists are working on it. As for the RD-180 engine, believe me, if the Americans wanted to illegally copy it, they could handle it. But while this pride does not allow them, and it is not customary for them to do so in business. This is, after all, not a nuclear warhead, where you can safely copy without fear of revelations and court proceedings.
            1. Skifotavr
              Skifotavr 30 December 2015 09: 02 New
              0
              Is it okay to object weakly?
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      3. guzik007
        guzik007 29 December 2015 13: 39 New
        +3
        Yeah. Ten years later and with a resource of several tens of hours. )))
        -------------------------------------------------- -----------
        About ... eleven years ago, my colleagues spat on the first lifans. I told them then: wait a minute, in ten years you will be happy to ride the Chinese.
        this is what happened today. the Chinese are learning fast and this cannot be ignored.
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        2. leon-iv
          leon-iv 29 December 2015 15: 34 New
          -1
          Yeah yeah so they are leaders in sales collapse laughing
        3. Cobra77
          Cobra77 29 December 2015 15: 48 New
          +2
          Quote: guzik007
          Yeah. Ten years later and with a resource of several tens of hours. )))
          -------------------------------------------------- -----------
          About ... eleven years ago, my colleagues spat on the first lifans. I told them then: wait a minute, in ten years you will be happy to ride the Chinese.
          this is what happened today. the Chinese are learning fast and this cannot be ignored.


          I still will not ride them. Because the quality is still "Chinese". Better than it was - fact. But until the same Koreans or Yap there is still far away. In electronics and communications, they really did pretty well. But the fact remains that they are catching us up in the military-industrial complex, and we are contributing to this, and quite thoughtlessly. The Chinese are not our friends, and will not be them. We just have common interests, for now. But what will happen in 15 years, for example, no one knows. And given the overwhelming superiority in industry and human resources, we would need to have superiority in technical terms. And at such a pace as it is now, and even with the transfer of our technologies, in the same 15 years, at best, we will be at the technological level, in the worst, their defense industry will be ahead of ours. And this is already very dangerous. Not only in terms of military, but also political. But now China can put a lot of pressure on us (we need it more than we need it), in 15 years, with the current trend, it will become a senior “partner”.
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          2. Dryuya2
            Dryuya2 29 December 2015 16: 17 New
            +2
            Quote: Denis Obukhov
            As long as we don’t have technologies that are 1-2 generations ahead of us, they will get a hole from the alarm clock, not technologies.
            This is a country's security strategy.

            clown tongue
            http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/12/28/786415.html
            1. DarkMatter
              DarkMatter 29 December 2015 16: 50 New
              +3
              clown tongue


              And what's the catch of this copy-paste? Even mistakes are carefully observed.
              willДface it is strong wassat
      4. YURIY888
        YURIY888 29 December 2015 20: 25 New
        +1
        overhaul resource today 1500, where did you get dozens? your data is out of date ....
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    4. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 29 December 2015 15: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: Sterlya
      In short, the Chinese decided to speed up the creation of their! Analogs of the Su-35. And before the planes of the 5th generation, I’m afraid they are not enough. But knowing the stubbornness of the Chinese. Will create.



      As often happens in the media, half-truths are written. No critical military technologies, such as the production of these engines or radars, will be transferred or sold to even the most beautiful ally. Of course, nothing more is included. Now about the truth. When the Chinese, in once again, it’s not possible to create something worthwhile, besides, time is running out and problems begin to pour in, they stop wandering and pay without bargaining. Not one of all the planes that they created, copied, wrinkled .. were not able to - It’s less than fighting, but rather has been in the air for quite some time. There are objective and purely domestic reasons for this. That’s why the Su-35 is urgently bought, which is why the Su-27 was bought at one time. The situation around the disputed islands and, in general, the South Sea is very serious, and since Chinese aircraft technology is not suitable for war, a Russian, original one is acquired, moreover, on an urgent basis.
    5. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 29 December 2015 15: 45 New
      0
      As long as we don’t have technologies that are 1-2 generations ahead of us, they will get a hole from the alarm clock, not technologies.
      This is a country's security strategy.
    6. APASUS
      APASUS 29 December 2015 20: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Sterlya
      In short, the Chinese decided to speed up the creation of their! Analogs of the Su-35. And before the planes of the 5th generation, I’m afraid they are not enough. But knowing the stubbornness of the Chinese. Will create.

      It seems that China has come to understand that it does not manage to sit out while the two lions are fighting. China is drawn into the conflict by any means, and they cannot say their planes to put it mildly .............. That's the way they solve a couple of problems right away
  2. Pereira
    Pereira 29 December 2015 12: 39 New
    +2
    Have you decided to scare amers? So you don’t have to fly there, but set up the base.
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 29 December 2015 12: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: Pereira
      Have you decided to scare amers? So you don’t have to fly there, but set up the base.

      So they, with these goals, put artificial islands there.
      The choice of military equipment to protect them speaks for itself.
    2. Scoun
      Scoun 29 December 2015 12: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: Pereira
      So you don’t have to fly there, but set up the base.

      Well, as if written in Russian
      It is planned that in disputed areas fighters will carry round-the-clock duty - “The ability of planes to take off from a short runway will allow them on the artificial islands themselves ”, writes a resource.

      type refresh information

      The islands of the Spratly archipelago in the South China Sea, one of the most disputed regions in the world, are claimed by six states: China, the Philippines, Taiwan, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei. China, which entered into a dispute later than other states, got several half-sunken reefs, which it is rapidly expanding in the process of "land reclamation" - the construction of artificial islands.
    3. gjv
      gjv 29 December 2015 13: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: Pereira
      So you don’t have to fly there, but set up the base.

      The Chinese are doing just that, building up small islands, turning them into large ones with the help of construction technologies, then they build bases and runways on them.
      The construction of seven artificial islands near the Spratly archipelago is also almost completed, although it began only last year. The Chinese even exceeded the plan: according to the forecasts of the US military command, the runway was supposed to start working at the end of this year, but now it became clear that this could happen much earlier. / China is completing the construction of an air base in the South China Sea on an artificial island. How the United States reacted to the expansion of China's military presence in the Asia-Pacific region. July 2, 2015, Lyubov Glazunova /



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  3. OMEDB
    OMEDB 29 December 2015 12: 40 New
    +2
    And I would leave it to myself, let China deal with its own islands, on its own. China is still a dark HORSE!
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 29 December 2015 12: 43 New
      +1
      Money urgently needed. Accounted for.
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    3. not a Jew
      not a Jew 29 December 2015 12: 44 New
      0
      Quote: OMEDB
      China is still a dark HORSE!

      It’s a boom to hope that Vietnam, Japan, Korea, and Philippi will be able to cheat on Mao Sedun people if necessary.
      1. Wayna qhapaq
        Wayna qhapaq 29 December 2015 13: 01 New
        0
        And then we are surprised - why these same “Filipps” and “Maozedunians” do not like us. Great Power Chauvinism'c. Are you anti-Semitic?
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          1. guzik007
            guzik007 29 December 2015 13: 45 New
            +1
            not a Jew
            Fuck we need someone's love.
            ----------------------------------
            Isn't a Jew your only virtue?
            1. not a Jew
              not a Jew 29 December 2015 17: 22 New
              0
              Quote: guzik007
              Isn't a Jew your only virtue?

              Speak more clearly, nifiga obscure and stupid question.
    4. Sterlya
      Sterlya 29 December 2015 12: 45 New
      +4
      Quote: OMEDB
      And I would leave it to myself, let China deal with its own islands, on its own. China is still a dark HORSE!

      Whatever the horse. How do you say. Better dark and in friends with us than the United States.
      Although what I say. usa Friends are not needed. They need vassals as GDP said. The Chinese sooner realized this too.
      1. guzik007
        guzik007 29 December 2015 13: 51 New
        +5
        Whatever the horse. How do you say. Better dark and in friends with us than the United States.
        -------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------
        And who convinced you that these are our friends? Well, where did you get this. Did the iPhone convince you?
        The Chinese have no friends, a naked pragmatic calculation in a relationship. All the countries around them, unlike the fools, are in quiet tension. Everywhere in the southeast there is a quiet expansion, even Australia was no exception. they will swallow us, it will be a convenient moment.
        How we love everyone to write down either as friends before the grave, or to hate fiercely. Hence all our troubles. A purely Russian character trait.
        Let’s call them partners at a certain stage, and no more.
        1. Sterlya
          Sterlya 29 December 2015 14: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: guzik007
          And who convinced you that these are our friends? Well, where did you get this. Did the iPhone convince you?
          The Chinese have no friends, a naked pragmatic calculation in a relationship.

          No one has convinced me yet that I have friends.
          Countries are like people. Everywhere pragmatic calculation and nothing more.
          I realized this late when both health and money are gone.
          Do you have many friends ?! smile
          And I do not think that Russia thinks "friends." The concept is how to say. Not direct.
          About friends. Read better with F. Nietzsche. He gave there a more definite meaning to the word. (I guess he was smarter than me, and just a philosopher laughing )
        2. YURIY888
          YURIY888 29 December 2015 20: 34 New
          +1
          They are closer to friends than to enemies ....
    5. DenZ
      DenZ 29 December 2015 12: 55 New
      +1
      And I would leave it to myself, let China deal with its own islands, on its own. China is still a dark HORSE

      Us-currency to the budget. And their islands do not seem to bother us at all, even if at least half of the sea is covered with boredom.
    6. anfil
      anfil 29 December 2015 13: 14 New
      +5
      Quote: OMEDB
      And I would leave it to myself, let China deal with its own islands, on its own. China is still a dark HORSE!


      Yes, no darker than all the former republics of the USSR.
    7. KnightRider
      KnightRider 29 December 2015 19: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: OMEDB
      And I would leave it to myself, let China deal with its own islands, on its own. China is still a dark HORSE!

      What does it mean "left"? These 24 aircraft still need to be done. Now KnAAZ has completed assembly and began flying around the last aircraft under a 2009 contract for 48 Su-35S for the domestic air force. Next year deliveries will continue! soldier
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 29 December 2015 12: 42 New
    +1
    The situation around the islands is heating up. And how urgently the 35th Dryer was needed!
  5. Vasya_Piterskiy
    Vasya_Piterskiy 29 December 2015 12: 42 New
    +4
    The Russian military aircraft industry, as always in demand and as always on top ...
  6. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 29 December 2015 12: 42 New
    +3
    An interesting feature about the state of affairs in the Chinese Air Force. Those. Despite all efforts, China does not have a really decent heavy fighter.
    I think that the contracts for these aircraft and their after-sales support (if I'm not mistaken, for ten years) are quite timely. Moreover, in two years we are waiting for the T-50, which will be even more advanced, in all respects. The plant will receive the money. There will be something to build the latest fifties. wink
    1. lukewarm
      lukewarm 29 December 2015 12: 50 New
      0
      The Su35 has very good chances against the 5th generation. So this bargain (as if not in quotation marks) IMHO a double-edged sword.
  7. aleks 62 next
    aleks 62 next 29 December 2015 12: 43 New
    +4
    .... "a number of technologies, for example, the Irbis-E radar capable of detecting the American F-35 stealth aircraft over 90 kilometers, and the Russian 117C engine."

    .... But this is in vain ..... request
    1. Sterlya
      Sterlya 29 December 2015 12: 52 New
      +3
      Quote: aleks 62 next
      .... "a number of technologies, for example, the Irbis-E radar capable of detecting the American F-35 stealth aircraft over 90 kilometers, and the Russian 117C engine."

      .... But this is in vain ..... request

      Is it in vain? GDP is more likely to be in the rates, which is in vain.
      So it was necessary.
      Well, in vain I said when they gave credit to dill, 3 billion, then they will give another 15. So hozlov bought for a long time. For an hour, they don’t know how to scrape them off. And they are unlikely to be scraped out. 3 frets an hour money.
      Yes, in general, it is necessary to cut back on the deputies of the Supreme in revenues. Let them live like normal people. They looked away from reality. Therefore, they think badly.
      1. Altona
        Altona 29 December 2015 13: 38 New
        +4
        Quote: Sterlya
        Yes, in general, it is necessary to cut back on the deputies of the Supreme in revenues. Let them live like normal people. They looked away from reality. Therefore, they think badly.

        ----------------------------
        Yes, in general it is necessary to revive the practice of Mao Jie Dong. A general for a month in the barracks as an ordinary, an official for agricultural work or a laborer in the shop to bring down a high-ranking arrogance. And then they live, in fact, in parallel reality.
        1. Sterlya
          Sterlya 29 December 2015 14: 18 New
          +2
          Quote: Altona
          Yes, in general it is necessary to revive the practice of Mao Jie Dong. A general for a month in the barracks as an ordinary, an official for agricultural work or a laborer in the shop to bring down a high-ranking arrogance. And then they live, in fact, in parallel reality.

          So this is not "Democratic" laughing . Here the Chinese do not care about this democracy, but ours do not.
          There is no such "democracy", there was none like "communism" anywhere else.
          Although communism and democracy are one and the same. Different branches.
          Like Islam and Christianity.
      2. V.ic
        V.ic 29 December 2015 13: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: Sterlya
        They looked away from reality. Therefore, they think badly.

        Sitting in deputies develops an organ that has nothing to do with the head, but rather is "opposed" to it. The "master" thinks for them, for they themselves are slaves of the oligarchs.
      3. Rrrj
        Rrrj 29 December 2015 14: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: Sterlya
        Is it in vain? GDP is more likely to be in the rates, which is in vain.

        Yes, yes, yes, yes - you already pulled up with your tricky plans for HPP - in fact - horseradish (from the bitter plant horseradish) PP.
        Negotiations with the Minister of Qatar, Turkey tomatoes.
        Here we squander technology.
        The devil would have to tear their debt - Pushkin will take it, we will distribute gas - but we ourselves live in d ... d.
        1. Sterlya
          Sterlya 29 December 2015 14: 25 New
          +2
          Quote: rrrj
          Quote: Sterlya
          Is it in vain? GDP is more likely to be in the rates, which is in vain.

          Yes, yes, yes, yes - you already pulled up with your tricky plans for HPP - in fact - horseradish (from the bitter plant horseradish) PP.
          Negotiations with the Minister of Qatar, Turkey tomatoes.
          Here we squander technology.
          The devil would have to tear their debt - Pushkin will take it, we will distribute gas - but we ourselves live in d ... d.

          Well, they would read further.
          I can criticize repeat
          And yes, the king is to blame. he must catch all the lords in the corners. personally executed.
          But I honestly think.
          It is necessary in relation to officials of embezzlers to introduce the death penalty.
          It will become a little less. But they will not stop stealing in China laughing
      4. aleks 62 next
        aleks 62 next 29 December 2015 14: 38 New
        +1
        ..... Is it in vain? GDP is more likely to be in the rates, which is in vain.
        So it was necessary ..... And they are unlikely to be scraped out. 3 Lyada hour money .....

        .... Well, you think the money .... Well, of course, in vain they gave the “brothers” 3 lard .... It reassures one thing - sooner or later one way or another they will tear the money from them .... But how much time and money it costs development and bringing to a series of the same "Irbis" or engine - you can’t imagine .... The amount can be comparable to the "brotherly" duty .... And most importantly - time .... Everything high-tech is born for a long time (for example SU -27 brought to the series for almost 7 years) .... But you can’t buy time for money .... hi
  8. bronik
    bronik 29 December 2015 12: 43 New
    0
    Real protection - real weapons.
  9. jaguarstas
    jaguarstas 29 December 2015 12: 44 New
    +3
    Sorry for the technology. We spent money, effort, intelligence. And they got almost free.
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 29 December 2015 19: 16 New
      +1
      So now earn - what's the matter !? A $ 2 billion contract that can be used for new developments, retooling, etc.! Passes T-50 tests. So it is necessary to crush the market of cords for yourself. Beijing is interested in economic projects in the Russian Federation (the Power of Siberia, silos, etc.), so they will not bully. Moscow from Beijing, unlike many, sees only support in foreign policy. In the medium term, Beijing’s policy will not change in relation to us. We are the only land source of natural resources for them and an ally on their borders (SCO, BRICS).
      In the Russian Federation there are probably ideas for new radars and engines, since Irbis and 117C are for sale - they still will not tell us what they are doing and testing in the design bureau. "A copy will always be worse than the original." hi
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 29 December 2015 12: 46 New
    +2
    China intends to use Su-35 to patrol disputed islands

    This region has become hot for China over the past year. And in the hot region we need excellent planes, which are the Su-35.
    1. gjv
      gjv 29 December 2015 13: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      This region has become hot for China over the past year.

      Spratly Archipelago in the southwestern part of the South China Sea (8 ° 38 ′ N latitude 111 ° 55 ′ E). Very controversial territory and has long been hot. Vietnam, China, Taiwan, Malaysia, the Philippines and Brunei claim to possess the islands. Here is an approximate modern disposition on the islands.

      The Philippines said they would “fight to the last sailor and marine” over the Spratly Islands.
      Vietnam and Malaysia are similarly configured. In 1995, there was an attempt by Vietnam and China to agree on joint development of the islands, but in 2004 they broke up again.
  11. lukewarm
    lukewarm 29 December 2015 12: 48 New
    +2
    In the standard version of the Russian Aerospace Forces ???? belay Etta headquarters is new ... Is China our ally worse than Belarusians? But will it not be necessary there in years ... to fight with them for some time?
    1. Ajent cho
      Ajent cho 29 December 2015 13: 00 New
      0
      will not have to be there over the years ... to fight with them for some time?
      I hope not, because the Chinese did not particularly expand north. In addition, they have enough pain points that can be pressed. Well - personally, I have no doubt that ours are introducing their bookmarks into the exported technology, just in case ...
    2. GRAY
      GRAY 29 December 2015 13: 08 New
      +5
      Quote: unwillingly
      But will it not be necessary there in years ... to fight with them for some time?

      Do not climb. In Russian caps, kilotons are a bit too much, and in the event of a conflict, databases will pass in sparsely populated areas - we will drop them.
      A Russian hero enters the Chinese border and shouts:
      - Hey, a hundred thousand Chinese, go for the hills!
      The Chinese gathered and went ... After a couple of hours because of the hill
      Russian hero comes out and shouts:
      - Hey, a hundred thousand Chinese, come on for the hill to fight !!
      The Chinese gathered, went, and again no one returned.
      After a couple of hours, the Russian hero comes out again and shouts:
      - Hey, a hundred thousand Chinese, come on for a hill !!!
      The Chinese gathered .... suddenly, from behind a hill, an unfinished creeps out
      Chinese and with the last forces verbs:
      - Do not go, this is an ambush - there are two of them!
      smile
    3. Al_oriso
      Al_oriso 29 December 2015 13: 15 New
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      Over the years, there will be some or we will join China, or China will join us ... Well, or one of two.
  12. Izotovp
    Izotovp 29 December 2015 12: 59 New
    +1
    Now the situation is similar to the surprise in cycling: whoever starts first will lose. Therefore, we carry out our operations where this cannot lead to an unconditional military conflict with either the United States or China. But at the same time, we are not allowing any of the parties to outweigh and time is gaining for our own rearmament. And the radar and engine are new, I think, on the way.
  13. Sterlya
    Sterlya 29 December 2015 13: 02 New
    +1
    And how many Su-35s can the military-industrial complex produce with good funding per month? (I have a prepayment, the price of fighters delivered to China)
  14. triglav
    triglav 29 December 2015 13: 23 New
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    East is a delicate matter. Now China is with us, and later?
    1. not a Jew
      not a Jew 29 December 2015 13: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: triglav
      Now China is with us, and later?

      Creeping expansion into the lands of the great northern neighbor.
      1. Izotovp
        Izotovp 29 December 2015 13: 38 New
        +1
        They carry out creeping, but are actively preparing for the active: the construction of bridges in tank-dangerous places, exercises on war in northern conditions, and the transfer of large forces over long distances.
  15. nrex
    nrex 29 December 2015 13: 35 New
    +1
    We must now sell everything that we can produce, naturally without undermining our defense potential. One product of such a level as a locomotive drags dozens, if not hundreds, of enterprises in various industries.
  16. nrex
    nrex 29 December 2015 13: 41 New
    +1
    We must behave decently, thoughtfully and purposefully, both in foreign and in world politics, and then the sequence of these three components will not leave any chance for our opponents.
  17. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 29 December 2015 13: 46 New
    +1
    And what, the cars are very good ... Let them patrol for health, maybe there will be fewer "last Chinese warnings" ....
  18. rus-5819
    rus-5819 29 December 2015 13: 49 New
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    Quote: Skifotavr
    Why create when you can copy? They are especially interested in the engine and radar. For this, they are acquired. Everyone already knows about it, but Russia is afraid to refuse.


    On the ukhrain exactly the same thing happens: with the world on a string - "Bastion" is obtained. And they are not afraid to refuse Russia! What does not fit into the technology of riveted iron rivet.
  19. Leader
    Leader 29 December 2015 13: 50 New
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    Quote: Pereira
    Have you decided to scare amers?

    And in order for the Americans to quiet down, the Chinese will also leave our identification marks on the purchased SU-35 ... wink
  20. Flat5160
    Flat5160 29 December 2015 15: 14 New
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    It seems to me that you should not rush with the transfer of technology. If only for a mutually beneficial exchange. And what kind of technology do Chinese friends have, mostly plagiarism. I don’t know whether or not to transfer the technology that they received along with the transfer of foreign production to themselves.
  21. Cobra77
    Cobra77 29 December 2015 16: 00 New
    +1
    Quote: OMEDB
    And I would leave it to myself, let China deal with its own islands, on its own. China is still a dark HORSE!


    Yes, they are not a dark horse, they are our temporary companions and nothing more. And you always need to remember that if necessary, they will catch us. Not in a military way, but cultural, economic, political. In this sense, they are no less dangerous than the Americans. They just have different methods. And in my opinion the transfer of military technology to them is just an epic mistake. You can sell oil and gas, allow investment in our economy within reason, but technology should never be given away. And we have some kind of pink illusion that China is a friend and brother. Not once. It’s just that now it’s profitable for us to “be friends” against Amers and Co.
  22. Victor1
    Victor1 29 December 2015 16: 15 New
    +2
    Earlier, a TASS source reported that “the fighters will be transferred to the PRC in the standard version (for the Russian Aerospace Forces). The issues of their “Sinization” are currently being agreed with the Chinese side and will be issued in a separate contract. ”
    this is complete nonsense, to give the Chinese not an export option, but the same as our troops, after all, China is a rather difficult "partner", as if it didn’t come back in the future ..
  23. North
    North 29 December 2015 18: 13 New
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    The Turks overwhelmed the plane. but the metal is not dragged. from this - they will fill up and drag the Chinese away. blia sadness Americans will snatch what they want.
  24. Cobra77
    Cobra77 29 December 2015 22: 19 New
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    Quote: Victor1
    Earlier, a TASS source reported that “the fighters will be transferred to the PRC in the standard version (for the Russian Aerospace Forces). The issues of their “Sinization” are currently being agreed with the Chinese side and will be issued in a separate contract. ”
    this is complete nonsense, to give the Chinese not an export option, but the same as our troops, after all, China is a rather difficult "partner", as if it didn’t come back in the future ..


    Well, looking at the similar steps of our rulers, a feeling of moronism arises in their heads.