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OPK: orders of high command will reach the crew in a few seconds

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New air-ground communication systems designed to control long-distance and front-line aviation, will reduce the time it takes for the top army command to fly to pilots from a few minutes to two tens of seconds, the channel reports RT a message from Alexander Yakunin, Director General of the United Instrument-Making Corporation.




“Now we are finishing the equipment of six command posts of the Russian Aerospace Forces. These locations are located in different regions of the country. They are part of an automated air-ground communications system for managing long-range aviation. A similar system is created for front-line aviation - it will be commissioned in 2017 year. These systems are based on all possible communication channels, including satellite. They consist of ground-based air communication systems "- told Yakunin.

According to him, these "mobile receiving and transmitting centers can be deployed in the right place within a few hours."
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  1. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 29 December 2015 08: 23 New
    +7
    New systems ...... will reduce the time of passing the command of the top army leadership to the pilots from a few minutes to two dozen seconds


    And preferably mat) lol Just kidding of course, but I read somewhere long ago that supposedly Americans have an advantage in prompt decision-making over an adversary, at the expense of their English, which consists of quick and short phrases. In general, how scientifically grounded is this, but what about the people?

    А новости конечно "+", молодцы good
    1. science fiction writer
      science fiction writer 29 December 2015 08: 27 New
      +2
      Just kidding of course, but I read somewhere long ago that supposedly Americans have an advantage in prompt decision-making over an adversary, at the expense of their English, which consists of quick and short phrases. In general, how scientifically grounded is this, but what about the people?

      At the level of M. Zadornov, I heard the justification, and no where else,
      although the most interesting is it true or fake ???
      1. DIVAN SOLDIER
        DIVAN SOLDIER 29 December 2015 08: 32 New
        +2
        Not in short phrases, but in more advanced electronics.
        1. Temples
          Temples 29 December 2015 08: 39 New
          +3
          advantage in operative decision making over the opponent, due to his English

          If they make the decision in LANGUAGE !!!, then there is such a possibility. wassat
          In Russia, they solve problems with their heads, for which the brain is given to us by God.
          They think, and then solve the problem.

          About the language:
          - the answer of the subordinate in Russian consists of one syllable - IS!
          Anglo-Saxons have two OK syllables.
          So yes, here the efficiency of the decision-making is higher. wink

          I emphasize - it is the subordinate who TAKES the decision of the superior commander TO EXECUTION.
          The commander does not make a decision, but DECIDES the assigned TASK and gives an order to his subordinates for execution. hi
        2. Axis
          Axis 29 December 2015 09: 46 New
          0
          Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
          Not in short phrases, but in more advanced electronics.


          Master Yoda, is that you? lol
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    3. venaya
      venaya 29 December 2015 08: 33 New
      0
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      ... allegedly Americans have an advantage in prompt decision making over an adversary, at the expense of their English, that consists of quick and short phrases. In general, how scientifically grounded is this, but what about the people?

      Such studies have indeed been conducted and published. In general, all savages have in this sense an advantage over nations with a developed language. For example, savages (Latins) possessed a simplified and less developed language than the Etruscans who had conquered them, therefore today's Latin alphabet has only 25 letters, they no longer needed (savages). And this alphabet is not imposed on us for the first millennium. And the English language was adopted at first by Latin, and also from other languages, by the way, too, savages.
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 29 December 2015 08: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: venaya
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        ... allegedly Americans have an advantage in prompt decision making over an adversary, at the expense of their English, that consists of quick and short phrases. In general, how scientifically grounded is this, but what about the people?

        Such studies have indeed been conducted and published. In general, all savages have in this sense an advantage over nations with a developed language. For example, savages (Latins) possessed a simplified and less developed language than the Etruscans who had conquered them, therefore today's Latin alphabet has only 25 letters, they no longer needed (savages). And this alphabet is not imposed on us for the first millennium. And the English language was adopted at first by Latin, and also from other languages, by the way, too, savages.


        Скудоумие я всё это понимаю. Мне интересно, миф или правда, что скорость команд и как следствие принятие решений, даёт преимущество? Или это нужно рассматривать всё в комплексе. Кстати, либерал бы вам сейчас оппонировал, мол у этих "дикарей" АУГ океаны бороздят, на пару с Британией точно 1-я экономика мира, финансовое право диктует волю всему миру... Как-то так what
        1. Consul-t
          Consul-t 29 December 2015 08: 48 New
          +4
          I wonder, is it a myth or the truth that the speed of teams and, as a result, decision making, gives an advantage?


          We are invincible. We have a magic word starting with the letter x ... and all teams at critical moments are given this word and everyone understands everything quickly.
          Is not it? CSKA?
          1. science fiction writer
            science fiction writer 29 December 2015 09: 14 New
            0
            Quote: Consul-t
            We have a magic word starting with the letter x ... and all teams at critical moments are given this word and everyone understands everything quickly.
            Is not it? CSKA?

            good There’s no bazaar, but I’ve never thought about it, because there’s still
            Great and mighty Russian MAT.
            1. oblako
              oblako 29 December 2015 09: 24 New
              +1
              Moreover, obscenities are thought, decided, adopted for execution by the decision of the senior commander, executed and summed up ... I’m sure everyone understood. Moreover, the positive and negative outcome is indicated in one word but with different intonations ...
        2. venaya
          venaya 29 December 2015 09: 02 New
          +1
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          I wonder, is it a myth or the truth that the speed of teams and, as a result, decision making, gives an advantage? Or it should be considered all in a complex.

          Вы обратите внимание: все воинские команды подаются чётко, кратко и громко. Естественно, что более примитивный язык с этом смысле имеет некоторые преимущества. Мне только известно что подобные исследования действительно проводились и выводы насчёт английского были именно такими, что он проще и следовательно в этом смысле более краток. Кстати, если вы обратите внимание, то немецкий язык ещё более "лающий", то есть ещё более даже воинствующий по отношению к английскому, не говоря естественно относительнго русского языка. А ведь раньше вся нынешняя Германия говорила исключительно на западном диалекте русского языка. Вот и вопрос: почему произошла замена в использовании языка? Так что ваши предположения наукой подтверждаются.
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 29 December 2015 11: 18 New
            0
            And where does the barking? To express a thought in German requires more words than in Russian or English. In many cases, in German it is necessary to agree on a proposal to the end, otherwise the meaning will be unclear.
        3. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 29 December 2015 11: 16 New
          -1
          Yes, so far, and without Britain in the first place.
    4. Corsair0304
      Corsair0304 29 December 2015 08: 50 New
      +5
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      In general, how scientifically sound is this, and what about the people?


      Here. Justified:
      When analyzing the Second World War, Soviet military historians discovered a very interesting fact. Namely: in a sudden clash with the forces of the Japanese, the Americans, as a rule, made decisions much faster and, as a result, defeated even superior enemy forces.
      Having studied this pattern, Soviet scientists came to the conclusion that the average word length for Americans is 5,2 characters, while for the Japanese 10,8 and, therefore, it takes 56% less time to give orders, which plays an important role in a short battle ...
      For the sake of interest, the scientists analyzed English speech, and it turned out that the word length in Russian is 7,2 characters per word (on average), but in practice the return of commands was faster.
      As a rule, in critical situations, the Russian-speaking command structure switched to profanity and the word length is reduced to ... 3,2 characters in the word. This is due to the fact that some phrases and even phrases are replaced by ONE word !!
      (Там, для примера, приводится фраза «32-ой ёб…и по этому "пи...су"!» - «32-ой приказываю немедленно уничтожить вражеский танк, ведущий огонь по нашим позициям »)
      1. doework
        doework 29 December 2015 09: 41 New
        +1
        Quote: Corsair0304
        in a sudden clash with the Japanese forces, the Americans, as a rule, made decisions much faster and, as a result, even superior enemy forces won.

        Японцы вообще - в смысле "принятия решений" не самая быстрая нация. Самолично не раз убеждался в этом за 7 лет работы с ними. Такого количества совещаний (meetings) по одним и тем же вопросам не мог себе представить. Правда, надо отдать им должное, когда решение наконец принимается - действуют четко, достаточно быстро и никогда не сворачивают с выбранного пути (пока задача не выполняется или начальство не остановит)
        1. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 29 December 2015 11: 56 New
          +1
          работая конструктором в 80-е изучал перед новыми разработками патентную базу. И пришел к интересному выводу. При более высоких технологиях в большинстве случаев "мозговой штурм" не нужен - есть задача, есть конечная цель. Промежуток можно заполнить любым количеством решений, если есть множество вариантов технологий. В нашем проектном институте мозги были дай боже, НО! Самый Главный Враг самого талантливого конструктора - Главный (или не очень)Технолог. "Я вам это пальцем буду до 14 класса (кто не знает - зеркальная поверхность)доводить?? У меня максимум - 8-й!" Потому изощренность наших конструкторов в то время была очень высока, да и сейчас по наследству осталась. Не зря анекдот про "доработку напильником по месту" американец никогда не поймет. Потому сравнивать быстроту "принятия решений" не имеет смысла. Мы исторически живем в цейтноте принятия решений, если у нас все хорошо, мы расслабляемся и впадаем в спячку. Как только оказываемся на краю пропасти, словно рождаемся заново! Поэтому и непонятно всему миру - как Россия умудряется подниматься там, где другие страны исчезают с карт мира??
    5. Bigship
      Bigship 29 December 2015 08: 56 New
      +1
      In general, how scientifically sound is this, and what about the people?


      Из теории кодирования (формула Хартли) известно, что значение средней информации на символ из английского алфавита с учетом закономерностей образования слов составляет 4,04 бит. Для русского алфавита это величина составляет 4,36 бит. Чем меньше эта величина тем больше информации можно передать с помощью последовательности символов. Таким образом, английский язык в информационном плане имеет небольшое преимущество перед русским. Кстати, французский язык "круче" английского, у него 3,96 бит.
      1. Corsair0304
        Corsair0304 29 December 2015 09: 02 New
        +6
        Here is another example of a translation of the cryptanalyst of the adversary of the negotiations of our soldiers:
        - Where's the log?
        - He knows, they say on a satellite the macaque scratches.
        Translation:
        - Where is the captain Derevyanko?
        - I don’t know, but they say that it works through a closed communication channel and monitors American tests of the prototype torpedo MK-48 (Mark-48, then still a promising development of ours)

        - Seryoga check, Dima said that the canadian in your pelvis is rinsing the pit.
        Translation:
        - Sergey, Dmitry reported that a Canadian anti-submarine helicopter is conducting acoustic sounding in your sector. (An echo sounder lowers the probe on a cable - it looks like an inverted bell in shape.)

        - Southwest of your fifth, a flat-footed porridge will shrink, a screen in the snow.
        Translation:
        - (Southwest of your fifth?) A military transport plane drops light acoustic buoys in the area of ​​the possible location of the K-series submarine, there are a lot of small objects on the radar screen.

        - The main bourgeois is sitting under the weather, is silent.
        Translation:
        - An American aircraft carrier disguises itself in a stormy area, observing radio silence.

        - The stargazer sees the bubble, already with snot.
        Translation:
        - The optical observation station reports that an American tanker plane has released a fuel hose.

        - We have here turned on a narrow-eyed fool, they say sorry for the course went astray, the motor broke down, and he masturbates. His dry couple walked around them. Birch was yelling.
        - Drive him on, for this jaundice I don’t want to ... receive. If necessary, let the border guards wrap him in a fart, and draw a story for our special police officer.
        Translation:
        Во время учений флота, южно-корейское судно подошло близко к району действий, сославшись на поломки. При облете парой Су-15 сработала радиолокационная станция предупреждения "Береза".
        Tram-tararam ..., when trying to leave the area, deprive the ship of the course and tow.
      2. Vita vko
        Vita vko 29 December 2015 09: 57 New
        0
        Does anyone else believe that the transfer of combat command commands may have a guilty form!
        Quote: BigShip
        французский язык "круче" английского, у него 3,96 бит
        usually these are very short command codes and coordinate information. For example, for the operation of old automated control systems that worked in the SSP-D and SSP-S protocols, a channel of only 2,5 Kbps was enough. At the same time, combat work was carried out in real time.
    6. dauria
      dauria 29 December 2015 11: 01 New
      0
      at the expense of its English, which consists of quick and short phrases


      Как в Дюнкерке в 40-м ? "Драпаем, сэры" laughing Ah, science .. Yes, fired soldiers and without the command of Vanka-platoon know what to do and what will happen.
    7. seregatara1969
      seregatara1969 29 December 2015 11: 09 New
      0
      obscenities are much shorter than the team
    8. evge-malyshev
      evge-malyshev 29 December 2015 13: 03 New
      0
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      supposedly Americans have an advantage in operative decision-making over the enemy, due to their English, which consists of quick and short phrases. In general, how scientifically sound is this, and what about the people?


      The people will try to explain:
      There is a so-called. Q-code is an international three-letter code used in radio communications when transmitting / receiving information in Morse code.
      In the Armed Forces of the USSR, Q-codes were called Щ-codes, since the Cyrillic letter "Щ" and the Latin "Q" correspond to the same Morse code.
      Подробнее можно посмотреть в Википедии: "Q-код".
    9. evge-malyshev
      evge-malyshev 29 December 2015 13: 03 New
      0
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      supposedly Americans have an advantage in operative decision-making over the enemy, due to their English, which consists of quick and short phrases. In general, how scientifically sound is this, and what about the people?


      The people will try to explain:
      There is a so-called. Q-code is an international three-letter code used in radio communications when transmitting / receiving information in Morse code.
      In the Armed Forces of the USSR, Q-codes were called Щ-codes, since the Cyrillic letter "Щ" and the Latin "Q" correspond to the same Morse code.
      Подробнее можно посмотреть в Википедии: "Q-код".
  2. Riv
    Riv 29 December 2015 08: 53 New
    +1
    In fact, you do not need to invent anything. There is a wired connection. If the pilot is on alert, then receiving an order and starting to execute it will take him a few seconds. In flight, the pilot constantly communicates with the ground. Also there is no problem order to transfer. The same few seconds will take.

    This is what pinned me: the top leadership of the VKS is going to command at the micro level, bypassing the connection commander and the unit commander. These two links will be turned off, because it will take more than a second to compare headquarters orders with the operational situation.

    I imagine a dialogue between a pilot and a unit commander:
    - Comrade Colonel, Moscow orders me to bomb Churka-aul.
    - Come on, bomb.
    But the colonel also has a boss ...
    - Comrade General, a major is about to bomb Churka-aul.
    - Fooled ??? Who ordered?
    - Moscow.
    - Dol .... would! Our spotters are there! ..
    The pilot again gets in touch:
    - Comrade Colonel, bombed.
    - Well done, buy yourself an ice cream. - the sound of a shot of a personnel PM.
  3. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 29 December 2015 08: 55 New
    +3
    Где то читал, что во второй мировой у японских лётчиков были проблемки по сравнению с американскими (в смысле скорости передачи информации)из-за особенностей языка. Хотя по-моему это всё малозначимо. Недаром же говорят:"мы понимаем друг друга с полувзгляда". На службе когда впервые услышал радиообмен лётчиков с КДП, ничегоне мог понять т. к. летуны используют ларингофоны. А потом привык, научился и ничего. what Вспомните к/ф "Брильянтовая рука", сцена, где оперативник (арт. Чикалин) докладывает своему начальнику (арт. Трофимов) о первом знакомстве с С. С. Горбунковым (арт. Никулин).
  4. askort154
    askort154 29 December 2015 09: 00 New
    +1
    About brevity of English - fairy tales. Example:
    По русски - "Вася пиз.дани по нему".
    По английски - "сер Васья, если возможно, атакуй его,пожалуйста". fellow
  5. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 29 December 2015 09: 46 New
    0
    In a few seconds, the pilot can fly far, not to mention the fact that he himself can be attacked.

    The pilot needs to make the decision himself.
  6. linen
    linen 29 December 2015 09: 55 New
    0
    More advanced electronics and more protected from Amer's satanic ears !!!
  7. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 29 December 2015 11: 02 New
    0
    Why think so primitively? We are talking about a single complex of multi-level management of forces and means. None of them (the designer or the organizer of the networks) ever set themselves the organization of end-to-end control channels from the General Staff to the rank and file.
  8. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 29 December 2015 11: 39 New
    0
    In theory, no negotiations on the radio in the Air Force should already be
    should not. Everything is online via GPS or Glonass.
    The pilot must receive points (crosses with coordinates) on the display
    for striking and audio message if necessary.
  9. Zomanus
    Zomanus 29 December 2015 13: 16 New
    0
    Here is the news. It’s not too noticeable,
    but of great importance to our defenses.
    Slowly equipping the country's defense ...