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Year 2016: minus Turkey, plus Iran?

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Year 2016: minus Turkey, plus Iran?In the previous materials we tried to give an assessment of the so-called "Middle Eastern scenario." And, on the eve of the New Year, we will try to give some analysis of the process, which today originated in the Middle East, and next year will begin, as they say, to get up on its feet.


Since the Middle East is practically in varying degrees in a state of war, we will not talk about who is fighting with whom and for what. More interesting is the question of who is against whom is friends.

While Turkey with an enviable stubbornness deprives itself of the Russian market, Iran, by contrast, is ready to put its roots in Russia even deeper. And not only in Russia, but with our partners in the EAEU. The EEU and Iran are creating a free trade zone, while the duties on Iranian agricultural products will be reduced next year. And this is only one side of cooperation.

Iran is actively trying to gain a foothold in the Russian market in the light of the food embargo imposed by Russia for Western countries, as well as for Turkey. Earlier, Iran had the opportunity to export fish and seafood to Russia. Famous Iranian premium shrimps from the Persian Gulf were the first to enter the Russian market in January of this year, followed by Iranian lobsters, as well as delicious trout, which are bred in fish farms near Tehran. This year, Iran planned to supply 20 thousand tons of high-quality trout and 5 thousand tons of shrimp and seafood to Russia, as well as black caviar and valuable fish varieties.

Delicacies, of course, are wonderful, but not a lobster is a man full of food.

This year, work was also actively conducted on the accreditation of the Iranian poultry meat and dairy producers by the Rosselkhoznadzor. And after January 20, 2016 from Iran will begin deliveries of poultry, and after February 15, dairy products (including cheeses) will begin, the head of the Rosselkhoznadzor, Sergey Dankvert, said on Wednesday. After that, the EAEU can expand the list of Iranian enterprises supplying poultry meat and dairy products, he assured.

Earlier, Iran stated that it was ready to supply at least 10 thousand tons of poultry meat per month, or 120 thousand tons per year, and even more if necessary. At the same time, Russia is almost completely self-sufficient in poultry meat. Chicken imports are only about 200 th. Tons per year. Iran aims to completely take this piece of cake from Belarus and Brazil. Iran is also going to supply an incubation egg to Russia for breeding purposes - and then it will be able to press off American suppliers, which is very welcome.

The only thing that bothers the Rosselkhoznadzor is that Turkish agricultural producers will try to deliver their goods to Russia through Iran after the Georgian corridor has been closed. Dankvert warned Iranian colleagues about the unacceptability of such a corridor.

Imports of agricultural and seafood products are good only when something goes in the opposite direction. That is, when every ruble spent on Iranian products returns a ruble (or better than two) spent by Iran on the purchase of something Russian.

2,2 billion dollars is the amount of financing contracts for the construction of power plants and the electrification of railways in Iran. These contracts have already been signed during the visit of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
2,3 billion dollars worth the construction of eight units for nuclear power plants, the contract for the construction of which was signed in 2014 year.

We don’t even talk about expanding the export of Russian military equipment: Russia is already supplying air defense and radio electronics to Iran, and today the Iranian army really needs to be modernized. Years of isolation, of course, brought no improvement.

On the armed forces of Iran should talk separately. Now we note that the Armed Forces of Iran is an open field for interaction with Russia. There would be, as they say, money. And they, apparently, Iran will be. 16% of global gas reserves and 10% of oil guarantee this.

Yes, Iran’s sanctioning disconnection from the international payment system dealt a severe blow to the country's economy. However, this is the answer - work in national currencies through a joint bank. This could be Temp Bank, which, by the way, is precisely for cooperation with Iran, which is under US sanctions from 2014, or World Business Bank, which is a subsidiary of Iran Bank Melli Iran. BMI is by far the largest retail bank in Iran, an analogue of Sberbank.

And after the promised cancellation of Western sanctions, Iran will quickly regain its former strength. When Iran starts exporting oil, it will have money to build infrastructure and purchase imports. Iran will become an important trading partner. The Iranian market, especially the energy market (despite the oil and gas reserves in Iran, the constant shortage of electricity) will become a very tasty morsel.

In the light of this situation, all the efforts of our Foreign Ministry, aimed at the de-blockade of Iran, look very reasonable. Yes, it was a very difficult battle, but it is quite possible that this time the victory will be ours. Both in foreign policy and in the economy.

And what about Turkey? Turkey - economy №1 in the region. But Iran is #2. And the potential is clearly greater, since the Turks do not have such natural reserves. And if you still remember the religious aspect (and you should always remember about it in the Middle East), then Turkey and Iran are at opposite poles. From here comes a different approach to the Syrian issue, for example.

It turns out that we are trying to be friends with the first competitor of our non-friends of the Turks. Well, it may well turn out. If, indeed, we succeed in making friends with Iran in the development of Iran and the weakening of Turkey, this can bring good dividends in the future. The coming year will show it.
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  1. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 31 December 2015 07: 04 New
    11
    It is better to be friends with Iran than to ignore. A strong country with its own history and roots. I have been constantly following her since Ayatollah Khomeini.
    1. SSR
      SSR 31 December 2015 10: 45 New
      +4
      And apparently, Iraq is pulling up ... I am silent about Syria. Egypt, also in the Russian Federation, began to look more after color ...
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 31 December 2015 07: 12 New
    15
    If it really turns out to be friends with Iran in the development of Iran and the weakening of Turkey

    Probably "friends" should have been quoted. it implies mutually beneficial economic and political ties between our countries, and not the discovery of the soul and gratuitous help. And to "be friends," I think, it’ll even work out very well, because Iran is also interested in economic ties with Russia.
  3. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 31 December 2015 07: 24 New
    +1
    Iran and Turkey are only temporary travelers for us, because their foreign policy depends entirely on a group of people for whom momentary rather than constant friends are beneficial. If a person comes to power in Iran, for whom development, say with China, will be the meaning of existence, then about us right there and forget.
    1. YakimovSS
      YakimovSS 31 December 2015 09: 49 New
      +2
      And with us everything is different, right?
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 31 December 2015 07: 27 New
    +5
    That is, when every ruble spent on Iranian products returns the ruble (or rather two) spent by Iran on the purchase of something Russian.


    I fully share the opinion of the author. And even better, the gold ruble !!!! smile
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 31 December 2015 07: 51 New
    10
    Turkey and Iran are at opposite poles...And not a single century .... Moreover, Turkey and Iran .. have never been friends ...
    1. Mjohn
      Mjohn 31 December 2015 11: 10 New
      +5
      Turkey and Iran are more than enemies, even worse than China and Japan
      1. gregor6549
        gregor6549 1 January 2016 16: 22 New
        +4
        I agree to all 100. At the same time, Iran, as well as Turkey, never concealed its claims to certain parts of Russia. Therefore, they can be considered only as economic partners, provided that neither Turkey nor Iran should in any case be sold modern technology, especially military. For the money earned from the sale of modern weapons to these countries can later become bloody tears of the Russians. Yes, and this money will mostly go to someone’s personal pockets and not to the country's budget. The fact that the arms of state-owned corporations in Russia should not be masked by the fact that the state’s share in these corporations is very arbitrary. And what goes into the budget of the country is unlikely to come safe and sound to those whom this budget should contain. Well, it’s also important that these countries try to trade with Russia with one hand and arrange various mischiefs with the other, right up to the direct support of the “truly Orthodox” Muslims of Russia, i.e. outright bandits.
    2. Yura
      Yura 31 December 2015 12: 43 New
      +4
      Quote: parusnik
      Moreover, Turkey and Iran ... have never been friends ...

      And this is initially, Turkey is a state created by alien invaders (like the USA or the Tatar-Mongol invasion, for example) and for indigenous peoples not having a right to exist. If you look from this point of view, the liberation struggle has never by and large ceased. The logical conclusion of this confrontation would be the disappearance of Turkey as a state and the restoration of others. It has always been beneficial to all of Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia and Russia, too, since the formation of the Ottoman Empire. The end of Turkey is near, we will see it during our lifetimes, I don’t know and don’t want to regret it or not, Erdogan did everything for this.
      1. Drummer
        Drummer 3 January 2016 12: 23 New
        0
        Quote: Jura
        And this is initially, Turkey is a state created by alien invaders (like the USA or the Tatar-Mongol invasion, for example) and for indigenous peoples not having a right to exist.

        Then Russia is “a state created by alien invaders.” After all, the Turks moved to Asia Minor from the territory of modern Kazakhstan in the 10-11 centuries and completely occupied it by the middle of the 15 century.
      2. ver_
        ver_ 4 January 2016 12: 42 New
        0
        ..for especially gifted - Mongolia was founded in 1920 - during the time of Baron Ungern and Suhe Bator ... How the Mongols ended up in Russia in the 13th century .. And the second - you can distinguish Mogolia (great) Russia from Mongolia ...
  6. Belousov
    Belousov 31 December 2015 08: 49 New
    +2
    The main thing again is not to dive into the "friendship" with his head, as was the case with the Turks.
  7. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 31 December 2015 10: 53 New
    -10
    Losing Turkey as a trading partner is big
    a blow to the Russian economy, and so pressed by sanctions.

    I believe Putin made a serious mistake by imposing sanctions
    against Turkey.
    A more understandable and natural step in response to the downing of the Russian
    the plane would have been an air strike at one of the small border military bases
    Turkey. So to say, "for the military - the military."
    Everyone would understand that a single blow with the loss of several Turkish soldiers
    - This is a reasonable revenge for the death of the pilot.
    And the incident was over.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 31 December 2015 12: 18 New
      +2
      Of course, it would be better to exchange several nuclear strikes with NATO from behind Turkey, you would now be sitting in the trenches, studying Mount Ararat with binoculars, and the US industry would be overwhelmed for several years ahead with military orders from its frightened satellites. To what they were going, what they were striving for.
    2. Luga
      Luga 31 December 2015 12: 28 New
      +9
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Losing Turkey as a trading partner is big
      a blow to the Russian economy, and so pressed by sanctions.

      Yes, not so big. Replacing the Turks in our market is a matter of time, and not so long. Everyone needs money and it is precisely as a source of money that we are interested in them, that of the Turks, of the Persians, of that of everyone else.

      As for the attack on the Turkish military base, then, it seems to me that you said stupidity. Still, foreign territory. It was necessary to throw someone over the territory of Syria - yes, only now they do not fly over Syria, the Turks, I mean.

      The attack on the territory of Turkey is an act of aggression against the NATO country, and this is not a joke, this is an all-in game with unclear alignments and unpredictable results. Not Putin's style; he is not at risk.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 31 December 2015 12: 44 New
        -6
        I have not forgotten that Turkey is a member of NATO. But in this case, the attack
        on a Russian plane was the initiative of the populist Erdogan, not
        NATO share. Therefore, the retaliatory point strike on the Turkish military
        NATO would not regard aggression against the entire bloc. NATO is excellent
        would understand that this is a local act of retaliation for the death of the pilot.

        But economic sanctions from the country most squeezed by sanctions are absurd, in my opinion.
        Like, they are strangling me, and I - to you in spite - will suffocate myself even more strongly with another rope. belay
        1. Megatron
          Megatron 31 December 2015 17: 54 New
          -2
          I fully support. Destruction of the same airfield by Caliber or Iskander from where the plane took off would be fully justified.

          NATO would not start a war, much less a nuclear one.

          And so, it turns out the lives of our pilot and marine were exchanged for tomatoes and tour trips.
          1. Cap.Morgan
            Cap.Morgan 31 December 2015 18: 36 New
            -1
            They have 5 article there.
            Striking a NATO country causes a counterattack automatically.
            So the beginning - not the beginning of the war, is how to say it. Could they sink our boat or bomb our aerodrome in response.
            And it’s not over yet.
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            2. Weyland
              Weyland 1 January 2016 17: 32 New
              +3
              Quote: Cap.Morgan
              Striking a NATO country causes a counterattack automatically.


              And you her carefully read ?! laughing
              1. Megatron
                Megatron 2 January 2016 22: 50 New
                +1
                YES they didn’t read a damn thing, they write here in the style of "the boss is all gone."
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            4. urik62
              urik62 3 January 2016 23: 19 New
              0
              ha ha
              automatic counterattack
            5. ver_
              ver_ 4 January 2016 12: 46 New
              0
              ... NATO's stupidity has already disowned Turkey .... and have a desire to exclude it from the NATO bloc ..
          2. Igluxnumx
            Igluxnumx 2 January 2016 17: 30 New
            +2
            There are such hugs - asphyxiating. Here we are, and strangle Turkey. Quiet, no noise, no dust. Without giving anyone reason to interpret in their own way "the destruction by the same Caliber or Iskander of the airfield from where the plane took off." Now, thank God, we have no illusions about neighbors and "friends." Unlike Erdogan, Poroshenko ...... etc.
        2. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 31 December 2015 19: 27 New
          +1
          You probably do not notice the statements of the representatives of the NATO gang! But not everyone does this. Therefore, the wayward Turkey was not struck because Russia did not want to raise the problem with Turkey to the inter-bloc military level. And so, it was possible to punish the petty aggressor and show what membership costs.
        3. go21zd45few
          go21zd45few 1 January 2016 11: 32 New
          +6
          Well, what are we strangling ourselves with, the lack of Turkish tomatoes, jeans and
          jackets, you are the alarmist my friend. Well, of course, the Russian economy will collapse without Turkish vegetables as it collapsed at the behest of Abama after the sanctions. However, Russia continues to live, and will live in spite of all the intrigues of the West, because there is no more patient and hardy RUSSIAN PEOPLE.
      2. padded jacket
        padded jacket 31 December 2015 14: 36 New
        +7
        Now, when Iran is in dire need of weapons technology for industrial goods to modernize the industry and saturate its market, we must try our best to tie it to our country as tightly as it is not only a powerful regional power with large armed forces and a fairly developed industry opposing US satellites like Turkey Israel, Saudi Arabia, and so on, but Iran is also an implacable fighter against terrorists from Daesh (IS), Al-Nusra and Al-Qaeda against whom our country is fighting.
        1. Yak28
          Yak28 31 December 2015 16: 39 New
          +2
          I remember once upon a time the USSR was friends with Egypt, provided military cooperation, helped a bit in the war with Israel. But in Egypt, power changed and the USSR was sent far and for a long time, and there were a lot of such cases. The USA also had such cases. In my opinion, now only Syria and Serbia treat Russia as an ally. I hope it will not work with Iran as with Egypt.
          1. Cap.Morgan
            Cap.Morgan 31 December 2015 18: 41 New
            +3
            Then he walked among the people, after breaking up with Khrushchev, who awarded the Egyptian president a Gold Star, such a verse:

            Lives in the sand and eats from the belly.
            Half-fascist, half-wrestler.
            Hero of the Soviet Union,
            Gamal Abdel-on-all-Nasser!
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 1 January 2016 15: 28 New
              +1
              Quote: Cap.Morgan
              Then he walked among the people, after breaking up with Khrushchev, who awarded the Egyptian president a Gold Star, such a verse:

              Apparently this "verse" was held in high esteem exclusively among the "intelligentsia" and mostly Jewish lol
              1. Weyland
                Weyland 1 January 2016 17: 46 New
                +4
                If you personally they did not hear him - this does not mean that he was little known! Our people were especially indignant at this award because Nasser of his own Egyptian Communists was genocidal - mother, do not worry! Vysotsky’s song, the whole Russian people knew where
                "take the order from Nasser -
                not coming to the Order of Nasser! "
                1. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 1 January 2016 18: 32 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Weyland
                  Our people were especially indignant at this award.

                  I would really like to know what kind of our people it is?
                  Quote: Weyland
                  Already Vysotsky, the whole Russian people knew a song

                  No one really knew this song, in any case, in most albums of his songs of that time she was not present.
                  And Vysotsky was not such an all-Union authority.
                  1. Weyland
                    Weyland 1 January 2016 19: 53 New
                    -1
                    Quote: quilted jacket
                    Nobody really knew this song ... Yes, and Vysotsky was not such an all-Union authority


                    You never know what you did not know ... Boy, how old are you? Have you ever found Vysotsky alive? And I even had a chance to talk with him!
                    And what republic did you live in, not in spratland, or any one? Because in other republics the authority of Vysotsky was great, even in Central Asia!
                    1. padded jacket
                      padded jacket 1 January 2016 20: 15 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Weyland
                      You never know what you did not know ... Boy, how old are you?

                      Oh my god uncle appeared big lol
                      Go better, ask mom to change your diapers smile
                      Quote: Weyland
                      And I even had a chance to talk with him!

                      Believe you believe smile
                      It was probably in your fantasies right?
                      Quote: Weyland
                      And what republic did you live in, not in spratland, or any one?

                      I then lived in the USSR (RSFSR) at that time and now I live in Russia.
                      Quote: Weyland
                      Because in other republics the authority of Vysotsky was great, even in Central Asia!

                      Apparently you don’t know anything about another regular clone-teller. His song in those days was a little different and not about some kind of “semi-fascist” and there was no conversation there. So stop writing.
                      1. Weyland
                        Weyland 1 January 2016 21: 32 New
                        0
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        His song in those days was a little different and not about some kind of “semi-fascist” and there was no conversation there.


                        Salabon, I didn’t write that this eligogram was from Vysotsky’s song - I wrote that if not everyone knew the epigram about the “semi-fascist-half-poeter” (I do not exclude that it was mostly intellectuals) - then the whole nation knew Vysotsky’s song! I know this song, like many others, by heart - so you have worked in vain to spread! Until recently, I lived in Kazakhstan, and I managed to communicate with Vysotsky when in 1975 the Taganka Theater was on tour in Alma-Ata. And about its popularity even farther south - ask in which city Vysotsky had a clinical death exactly one year before the final
                      2. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 1 January 2016 22: 10 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Weyland
                        Salabon

                        Quote: Weyland
                        Until recently, I lived in Kazakhstan, and I managed to communicate with Vysotsky when in 1975 the Taganka Theater was on tour in Alma-Ata.

                        Do not invent the storyteller in 1975, and the project, as they say, was not even there. He’s building an “adult” out of himself, and I suppose he’s still not crawling out of diapers, lol
                        Quote: Weyland
                        And about its popularity even farther south - ask in which city Vysotsky had a clinical death exactly one year before the final

                        And so? Vysotsky was a singer actor, he traveled throughout the Union. Although hardly you know about it smile

                        By the way, Iran said:
                        Iran will develop missiles with a range of over 5000 km in response to possible US sanctions
                        Iran will develop missiles with a flight range of over 5000 kilometers if the US imposes new sanctions on the republic.
                        "I have no doubt that after building up our defensive power, when the range of our missiles exceeds 5000 kilometers, targets such as the American base Diego Garcia (in the Indian Ocean) will enter the zone of their destruction, from where planes and helicopters fly out to land in Iran’s Tabas Desert, ”Rezai said, referring to the failed special forces and US Air Force rescue operations in Iran in 1980.
                        http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/2569005
                      3. Weyland
                        Weyland 2 January 2016 14: 33 New
                        0
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        you in 1975 were not even in the project, as they say.


                        Salabon my age is indicated in my profile - it’s you who hide yours, so as not to disgrace!
                        By the way, what does Iran have to do with the topic under discussion?
                      4. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 2 January 2016 20: 29 New
                        0
                        Quote: Weyland
                        Salabon, my age is in my profile

                        Baby, what do you really think if you wrote in your profile that you’re 49 years old then everyone will believe you?
                        Yes, it’s a mile away from you that you are a high school student from high school.
                        Quote: Weyland
                        By the way, what does Iran have to do with the topic under discussion?

                        Well, if you still know how to read, then the article is generally about Turkey and Iran.
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                2. Weyland
                  Weyland 1 January 2016 21: 32 New
                  0
                  Quote: quilted jacket
                  His song in those days was a little different and not about some kind of “semi-fascist” and there was no conversation there.


                  Salabon, I didn’t write that this eligogram was from Vysotsky’s song - I wrote that if not everyone knew the epigram about the “semi-fascist-half-poeter” (I do not exclude that it was mostly intellectuals) - then the whole nation knew Vysotsky’s song! I know this song, like many others, by heart - so you have worked in vain to spread! Until recently, I lived in Kazakhstan, and I managed to communicate with Vysotsky when in 1975 the Taganka Theater was on tour in Alma-Ata. And about its popularity even farther south - ask in which city Vysotsky had a clinical death exactly one year before the final
              2. ver_
                ver_ 4 January 2016 12: 53 New
                0
                ... do not confuse the concept - fame and authority ..
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    3. padded jacket
      padded jacket 1 January 2016 15: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: Yak28
      I remember once upon a time the USSR was friends with Egypt, provided military cooperation, helped a little in the war with Israel. But in Egypt, power changed and the USSR was sent far and for a long time, and there were a lot of such cases.

      This is quite common in many countries of the world. For example, in the same Iran, the 1979 revolution was largely due to the dominance of American English and Israeli capital in the country's economy. Now there are no Americans, no Jews, and Iran is their "mortal enemy."
      By the way, a similar situation may well develop in Venezuela.
  8. Talgat
    Talgat 31 December 2015 18: 11 New
    +6
    I agree, Vatnik!

    I will add more - not only "now", but in general Iran is a natural geopolitical ally of the Eurasian Union. For many years, it has been developing strategic cooperation with both Kazakhstan and Russia, the rhetoric of the leadership to our countries is extremely warm and friendly.

    Just before, Russia was connected by internal liberals and "relations with the West and the USA", which limited the natural movement towards Iran

    Now the United States and the west (and Turkey) themselves have liberated Russia from most of the connecting factors - and after our republic, Russia also began a closer rapprochement with a friendly country in the south.

    Iran has long opposed the whole west and the United States almost alone, but now, receiving technology, trade, weapons, and if (God forbid, of course) aggression and the possibility of direct military assistance, Iran will be completely "too tough" for the United States and will reliably close the middle Asia and the Caspian from the military infrastructure of aggressors
    1. SlavaP
      SlavaP 1 January 2016 14: 10 New
      +1
      The attack of the Turks on a Russian plane - it is obvious that the action ordered from overseas in order to provoke Russia (as it did not work in Ukraine). And the military action here is completely unacceptable. Especially, although it sounds paradoxical, the Turkish military can be said to be our allies. If the Turkish political leadership goes too far in ... licking and neglecting the real national interests of Turkey, they can (as has happened more than once), move this political leadership away from the authorities.
  • Weyland
    Weyland 1 January 2016 17: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    And the incident was over.


    Sure? Or maybe this was the purpose of the provocation - to drag Russia into military confrontation with all NATO bloc?
    You can allow yourself something like that - but do not forget that with almost all your neighbors you have no peace, but a truce. And then, your opponents are not members of NATO, and the UN elves will cover you in any way with the UN.
  • Weyland
    Weyland 1 January 2016 17: 27 New
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    And the incident was over.


    Sure? Or maybe this was the purpose of the provocation - to drag Russia into military confrontation with all NATO bloc?
  • borys
    borys 31 December 2015 15: 07 New
    +5
    If you look at a geographical map, you can see one interesting
    circumstance. Any land road from Europe to greater Asia
    (Pakistan, Afghanistan, India, China, Burma, Thailand, Vietnam)
    Mr. order will pass through the territory of Russia and / or Iran. Get around at the same time
    both of these states are landlocked impossible. The shortest, on the other hand
    the path from Russia to the Indian Ocean lies through Iran. Exactly this
    (geographical) circumstance will take place sooooo long, it
    Objectively, it pushes Russia and Iran to long-term cooperation.
    There are other significant circumstances in favor of such cooperation.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 31 December 2015 17: 18 New
      -2
      The Chinese went around - both Russia and Iran.
      I was amazed to be honest.

      New railway The Silk Road they led through Kazakhstan to
      The Caspian Sea - by ferry - to Azerbaijan, then through Georgia to Turkey.
      The container delivery time to Europe is reduced by 4 times compared to the sea,
      but the shipping cost is doubled.
      1. Megatron
        Megatron 31 December 2015 17: 57 New
        -4
        In Kazakhstan, after the death of elbasy, it is very likely that a second Ukraine may begin. And he was no longer left.
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 1 January 2016 15: 38 New
          +1
          Quote: Megatron
          In Kazakhstan, after the death of elbasy, it is very likely that a second Ukraine may begin. And he was no longer left.

          I hope he lives as long as possible and later finds himself a worthy receiver. The foreign policy of the Republic of Kazakhstan is aimed at friendship with our country and the internal one at the equal rights of all peoples living in Kazakhstan, regardless of nationality and religion professed by them. By the way, do not forget that there are three million Russians there, so any chaos there is clearly not in our interests.
          1. Weyland
            Weyland 1 January 2016 19: 57 New
            0
            Quote: quilted jacket
            The foreign policy of the Republic of Kazakhstan is aimed at friendship with our country and the internal one at the equal rights of all peoples living in Kazakhstan, regardless of nationality and religion professed by them


            Read Kazakh media less and communicate more with Kazakh Russians - you'll learn a lot! The Russian language is squeezed out slowly but persistently! It’s a pity that Nurik wasn’t shot 29 years ago!
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 1 January 2016 20: 45 New
              +1
              Quote: Weyland
              Read Kazakh media less and communicate more with Kazakh Russians - you'll learn a lot! The Russian language is squeezed out slowly but persistently!

              Well, let the "expert" tell us how they squeeze out the Russian language, and then again it looks like another fairy tale.
              Quote: Weyland
              It’s a pity that Nurik wasn’t shot 29 years ago!

              You would have such an opinion on "Censor" or "Veronline" there for people like you very much love and respect lol
              1. Weyland
                Weyland 2 January 2016 16: 46 New
                +1
                Quote: quilted jacket
                You would have such an opinion on the "Censor" or "Veronline"


                Boy! If Nurik had been shot for the “December events of 1986”, then the EBN and its henchmen would have been sitting quietly in 1991m, like a mouse under a broom! It’s just that you weren’t in the world at that time - but I saw all this with my own eyes!

                Quote: quilted jacket
                Come on, "expert" tell us how they squeeze out the Russian language

                Just come to Alma-Ata and see signs and announcements on state. institutions - everything that used to be in two languages, now only in Kazakh! Look a little lower than the statistics from rusih - in 2009 the ratio of Kazakhs and Russians in Kazakhstan exceeded 2,6 to one, and in 1991 there were more Russians than Kazakhs! - and why would it?
                Have you actually been to Kazakhstan, or are you judging by the media information? And I lived there for 40 years - and did not get out of a good life from there!
                1. PHANTOM-AS
                  PHANTOM-AS 2 January 2016 17: 19 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Weyland
                  then EBN and its henchmen in 1991m would sit quietly, like a mouse under a broom! It’s just that you weren’t in the world at that time - but I saw all this with my own eyes!

                  Yes you are right! And since 1985, in all the republics began the national fuss, Ferghana, Tbilisi, the Baltic states, etc.
                  But Gobachev and ebn, meanwhile, were already running to negotiate with the mattresses about personal guarantees after the betrayal.
                  As a result, all nations lost, with the exception of regional kings.
                  And now the goal should be to recreate a great country.
                  It is difficult, but possible.
                  Happy New Year everyone!
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                    Weyland 2 January 2016 19: 31 New
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                    in all republics, national fuss began, Ferghana, Tbilisi, the Baltic states, etc.


                    But the first was Kazakhstan! This got away with Nurik - and all the other regional national footage (from the word "Nazi") realized that they could!
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                  padded jacket 2 January 2016 20: 56 New
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                  Quote: Weyland
                  If Nurik were shot for the "December events of 1986"

                  Do you know exactly what exactly he arranged or again your next childhood fantasies?
                  Quote: Weyland
                  Just come to Alma-Ata and see signs and announcements on state. institutions - everything that used to be in two languages, now only in Kazakh!

                  So in Russia, almost everywhere, signs are only in Russian, although we have more than 100 nationalities.
                  Quote: Weyland
                  in 1991 there were more Russians than Kazakhs!

                  I look at the all-Union census of the USSR for 1989, there are almost as many Kazakhs as Russians:
                  All-Union Census of 1989.
                  The national composition of the population in the republics of the USSR

                  Russians 6227549
                  Kazakhs 6534616
                  http://demoscope.ru/weekly/ssp/sng_nac_89.php?reg=5
                  Quote: Weyland
                  And I lived there for 40 years - and did not get out of a good life from there!

                  You seem to be lying, a citizen supposedly from Kazakhstan, most likely if you are said to be “well scratched”, you will turn out to be a clone of some kind of pimpled lol
                  Another dreamer shorter with excessive ambition laughing
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                    Weyland 2 January 2016 22: 13 New
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                    Quote: quilted jacket
                    Do you know exactly what exactly he arranged or again your next childhood fantasies?


                    Cub, now he doesn’t hide it - but the “Decembrists” now have national heroes, etc.

                    Quote: quilted jacket
                    and in Russia almost everywhere signs in Russian are almost everywhere, although we have more than 100 nationalities.


                    Have you ever been to any national autonomy? In Tatarstan, for example, or in Mari El? laughing
                    Quote: quilted jacket
                    Russian 6227549 Kazakhs 6534616

                    Well, let's say - 1-2% less - but not 2,5 times!
                    By the way, in perestroika they could ascribe to the Kazakhs a few percent for political reasons - and in the 70s there were certainly more Russians!
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                      padded jacket 2 January 2016 22: 32 New
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                      Quote: Weyland
                      Cub, now he doesn’t hide it - but the “Decembrists” now have national heroes, etc.

                      Well, let’s tell how it was with the links just from the beginning, go change the diapers, and then you’ll probably go to the wet again lol
                      Quote: Weyland
                      Have you ever been to any national autonomy? In Tatarstan, for example, or in Mari El?

                      I have been and what? In Kazakhstan, there are no separate Russian-speaking republics like republics with a different language such as Tatarstan or Chechnya, for example.
                      Quote: Weyland
                      Well, let's say - 1-2% less - but not 2,5 times!

                      And what is there to allow then? This is the official statistics at that time.
                      Say better right away lol
                      Quote: Weyland
                      and in the 70s there were certainly more Russians!

                      And why should it be called Russia?
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                        Weyland 2 January 2016 22: 49 New
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                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        just go from the beginning go diapers


                        A young man, given that my age, unlike yours, is indicated in my profile - your jokes about diapers are at least stupid (I strongly suspect that you have enuresis - someone that hurts...) laughing

                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        In Kazakhstan, there are no separate Russian-speaking republics like republics with a different language such as Tatarstan or Chechnya, for example.


                        That's it ... And why, one asks, in such a multinational country , like Kazakhstan, there are no national autonomies? Is it because completely ignored minority rights (unlike, for example, Russia)? am But you don’t understand this - in the Eat Russia training manual they ordered to praise Nurik - that means you will praise!
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                        padded jacket 2 January 2016 23: 05 New
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                        Cub, given that my age, unlike yours, is indicated in my profile

                        You’ve clearly added to your baby there for more than forty years.
                        But it’s not surprising that children like you always want to look like adults at least in words lol
                        Quote: Weyland
                        your jokes about diapers are at least stupid

                        No, I just feel sorry for you all “crying” and “crying” - to see they offend you very much laughing
                        Quote: Weyland
                        That's it ... And why, one wonders, in such a multinational country like Kazakhstan, there are no national autonomies? Is it because the rights of national minorities are completely ignored (unlike, for example, Russia)?

                        Just because autonomy with the Russian population on the territory of Kazakhstan never existed, and Tatarstan (the Kazan Khanate) was, for example, as a separate state before its incorporation into Russia.
                        Quote: Weyland
                        But you don’t understand this - in the Eat Russia training manual they ordered to praise Nurik - that means you will praise!

                        It is to you that the Jews receive instruction manuals from Israel, and we Russians act from the heart.
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                        Weyland 3 January 2016 15: 05 New
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                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        It is to you that the Jews receive instruction manuals from Israel, and we Russians act from the heart.


                        Ege, the fascist mug of a cheer patriot has come out! am If you, a scribbled puppy, at least read my polemic with Atalef in neighboring branches, you would understand that I’ve never been a Jew! laughing

                        By the way, it’s interesting, “Russian,” who are you by nationality? Judging by anti-Semitism - I suspect that my assumption about the Spratlandian origin is true! I’m Russian - I’m writing “Russian”, and a Russian - the concept is ... Chukchi, for example, 100% Russians! laughing

                        By the way: the fact of the existence of the Kazan Khanate until 1551 was in no way connected with the granting of Tatarstan "sovereignty as much as you take away" in 1991 - it was only connected with the fact that your beloved EBN is the greatest and worst traitor in the history of mankind!
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                        padded jacket 3 January 2016 20: 04 New
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                        Quote: Weyland
                        fascist mug of cheers!

                        Quote: Weyland
                        scribble puppy

                        Something you're a storyteller "oversized" smile I sold it though you can immediately see from your expressions that your intellectual level is, to put it mildly, “below the baseboard”, but by the way, it was immediately clear lol
                        Quote: Weyland
                        I’m Russian - I’m writing "Russian",

                        You are Russian, don’t make people laugh from you with kosher laughing
                        Russian he is a dreamer, you are kindergarten laughing
                        Quote: Weyland
                        By the way: the fact of the existence of the Kazan Khanate until 1551 was in no way connected with the granting to Tatarstan of “sovereignty as much as you take” in 1991

                        Tatarstan has always been a republic within the RSFSR and has remained in Kazakhstan, there has never been any "Russian" republic.
                        Although you do not understand this because of your development smile
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                        Weyland 4 January 2016 01: 33 New
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                        You are Russian, don’t make people laugh from you with kosher


                        Foolishness! I would understand if you called me a skin or a Nazi, but a Jew ?! laughing At Seliger you are not taught that in addition to the left "white-tape" opposition, there is also a right-wing, quite patriotic and constructive one - which also fiercely hates "Eat Russia" (in particular, for letting migrants into Russia). Understand, cub: the Russians, who returned from Central Asia and had the opportunity to observe these peoples in their natural habitat, for the most part your “Edro” can’t stand it! I won’t be surprised if Seliger waits for his Breivik!
                        And Tatarstan has always been Kazan province as part of the Republic of Ingushetia without any national autonomy - This is Lenin, the accursed Russophobe, invented this "right of nations to self-determination"!
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                        padded jacket 4 January 2016 10: 30 New
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                        Quote: Weyland
                        I would understand if you called me a skin or a Nazi, but a Jew?

                        Well, so you are the poor "flawed" individual laughing
                        Quote: Weyland
                        Understand, cub: the Russians, who returned from Central Asia and had the opportunity to observe these peoples in their natural habitat, for the most part your “Edro” can’t stand it!

                        Looks like the Kazakhs beat you there and all the time it seems to hit your head from here and your fantasies about meeting Vysotsky about the fact that you are 49 years old and about three children. My advice to you is to go to the doctor or ask your mom to take you together. lol
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                        Weyland 4 January 2016 11: 34 New
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                        It seems that in the Nashi manuals they primarily teach the "rules of the demagogue." One of them is to get personal, insult the opponent when there is nothing to object essentially, to cling to trifles, etc. You are a 100% demagogue, and I'm not going to stoop to your level. They don’t discuss with people like you - they’ll just be whipped at the stable! I repeat: Seligerys still wait for their Breivik!
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                        padded jacket 4 January 2016 11: 46 New
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                        Quote: Weyland
                        It seems that in the Nashi manuals they primarily teach the "rules of the demagogue."

                        "Poor" little dreamer are you offended?
                        Just don’t cry too much, otherwise mom will scold laughing
                        Quote: Weyland
                        One of them is to get personal, insult the opponent when there is nothing to object essentially, to cling to trifles, etc.

                        I remembered about the insults and didn’t you call me here:
                        Quote: Weyland
                        Foolishness!

                        Quote: Weyland
                        fascist mug

                        Quote: Weyland
                        scribe puppy

                        Quote: Weyland
                        Young

                        Quote: Weyland
                        Salabon

                        So "close your mouth" and it carries a different to say the least "bowel movement."
                        You are an intellectual from a latrine laughing
                        Quote: Weyland
                        I repeat: Seligerys still wait for their Breivik!

                        For such as you have long been "missing" the hospital in particular the psychiatric ward.
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                        Weyland 4 January 2016 23: 25 New
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                        the first to insult you - but I, unlike you, do not suffer from masochism so much so that all of them seek out and quote! laughing

                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        You are our intellectual


                        I hear from an intellectual! And I have a profession! (with)
                        Of course, you will not recognize the author of the quote in view of ... I will not say - annoying gaps in your education, but in view of the complete absence of it!

                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        For such as you have long been "missing" the hospital in particular the psychiatric ward.


                        Nerd, what do you think: why was Breivik sent to prison, and not to a psychiatric hospital? About people like you, in the days of my youth they said:
                        "every govno of himself kakashku builds"
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                        padded jacket 5 January 2016 13: 55 New
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                        Quote: Weyland
                        unlike you, do not suffer from masochism

                        Poor "silly" boy are you building everything from yourself big?
                        Stop it doesn’t work anyway. Your words cause only laughter and pity.
                        Quote: Weyland
                        And I have a profession!

                        Yes, there is simply no doubt that you are a “professional” dreamer lol
                        Quote: Weyland
                        but what do you think: why was Breivik sent to prison, and not to a psychiatric hospital?

                        Well, you don’t compare yourself with him like you obviously are in the nearest department of a psychiatric clinic, and you’re not there yet only through the efforts of your mother smile
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            padded jacket 4 January 2016 10: 53 New
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            Quote: Weyland
            even if I read in my neighboring branches my polemic with Atalef, I would understand that I’ve never been a Jew!

            Well, this is Weyland. Your intra-Jewish squabbles with Atalef. You always argue which of you blood is more “blue” or whose shekel you picked up lol
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    Weyland 2 January 2016 22: 13 New
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    Quote: quilted jacket
    Do you know exactly what exactly he arranged or again your next childhood fantasies?


    Cub, now he doesn’t hide it - but the “Decembrists” now have national heroes, etc.

    Quote: quilted jacket
    and in Russia almost everywhere signs in Russian are almost everywhere, although we have more than 100 nationalities.


    Have you ever been to any national autonomy? In Tatarstan, for example, or in Mari El? laughing
    Quote: quilted jacket
    Russian 6227549 Kazakhs 6534616

    Well, let's say - 1-2% less - but not 2,5 times!
    By the way, in perestroika they could ascribe to the Kazakhs a few percent for political reasons - and in the 70s there were certainly more Russians!

    And about "supposedly from Kazakhstan" - you don’t have enough mind to check whether it is true or not - well, you can at least ask Talgat if I know the Kazakh realities! For example, ask to translate the proverb "Kara Kytay kaptasa - sary orys akenei bolar!" And ask to explain from what an anecdote "Nurik" (although for Talgat it is more likely to "Nurek")
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      padded jacket 2 January 2016 22: 38 New
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      Quote: Weyland
      And about "supposedly from Kazakhstan" - you don’t have enough mind to check

      Why is it that you check the baby, and so with you everything is clear to the next student in the winter holidays.
      Quote: Weyland
      For example, ask to translate the proverb "Kara Kytay kaptasa - sary orys akenei bolar!"

      And that I, too, can transfer it to you later with a friend of mine, a Kazakh woman. They will come from their parents and translate.
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        Weyland 3 January 2016 15: 13 New
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        Quote: quilted jacket
        Why check you baby

        Quote: quilted jacket
        And that I can also transfer it to you later with a friend of mine, a Kazakh woman


        Drain counted! You have confirmed your full mental impotence. By the way, ignorance of punctuation rules gives you a student of no more than 5th grade! laughing
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        padded jacket 3 January 2016 20: 07 New
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        Quote: Weyland
        Drain counted! You have confirmed your full mental impotence.

        In what fantasies did you see the sink belay although you forgive children like you like to invent lol
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        Weyland 4 January 2016 01: 25 New
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        Quote: quilted jacket
        In what fantasies did you see the sink


        ignorance of not only Kazakh, but also Russian tongue with his head betrays a junior high school student-nashi-seligerysh who is trying to teach people repeatedly superior to him in every way! It's about people like you, Dostoevsky hi wrote: “Give the Russian boy a map of the starry sky, and he will return it to you corrected” laughing
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        padded jacket 4 January 2016 10: 34 New
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        who is trying to teach people who are many times superior to him in every way!

        This is your manifestation of megalomania lol The doctor urgently seemed to be waiting for you laughing
        Although no, stay you funny smile
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        Weyland 4 January 2016 11: 49 New
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        Quote: quilted jacket
        This is your manifestation of megalomania


        I don’t evaluate myself very highly, and YOU - very low! laughing
        By the way: YOU PROVE THAT I AM A JEWISH! laughing
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        padded jacket 4 January 2016 11: 56 New
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        I don’t evaluate myself very highly, but YOU - very low!

        It seems that I was mistaken in you, not megalomania but a pronounced schizoid syndrome lol
        Until it’s too late, ask your mom to let him take your hand and drag you to the hospital !!!!
        Quote: Weyland
        AND YOU PROVE THAT I AM JEWISH!

        Here, no evidence is needed, and so it is clearly visible lol
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        Weyland 4 January 2016 23: 02 New
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        Quote: quilted jacket
        Here, no evidence is needed, and so it is clearly visible


        Seligerysh, re-discharge counted! tongue From the "manual of the demagogue" you learned only a couple of tricks - this is a clear failure! Let your teachers on Seliger give you for lack of grades! laughing
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        Weyland 4 January 2016 23: 02 New
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        Quote: quilted jacket
        Here, no evidence is needed, and so it is clearly visible


        Seligerysh, re-discharge counted! tongue From the "manual of the demagogue" you learned only a couple of tricks - this is a clear failure! Let your teachers on Seliger give you for lack of grades! laughing
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        padded jacket 5 January 2016 13: 59 New
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        Seligerysh, re-discharge counted! tongue From the "manual of the demagogue" you learned a couple of tricks - this is a clear failure! Let your teachers on Seliger give you for lack of grades!

        Unhappy not quite healthy individual what kind - plums what - training manuals with your psyche are treated very badly although it is already clear that you are unlikely to help lol
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        Weyland 5 January 2016 21: 06 New
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        Padded jacket, and you, an hour, not a bot? Your insults are too monotonous - don't catch laughing
        It looks like a Turing test will be required (although how do you know what it is, you are a carobarodon plate-gill!) laughing
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        Weyland 5 January 2016 21: 06 New
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        Padded jacket, and you, an hour, not a bot? Your insults are too monotonous - don't catch laughing
        It looks like a Turing test will be required (although how do you know what it is, you are a carobarodon plate-gill!) laughing
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        padded jacket 6 January 2016 10: 28 New
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        Padded jacket, and you, an hour, not a bot? Your insults are too monotonous - don't catch

        So the fact is that I am a quilted jacket - an adult, smart, noble and extremely decent person Unlike you Weyland-a little evil boy with a "mental disorder" and standing at an extremely low level of "mental development" and even with schizophrenic fantasies about meeting with Vysotsky therefore, I’m not laughing at you, but telling you the truth.
        As our people say, it’s a sin to laugh at a “sick” person like you lol
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        Weyland 6 January 2016 19: 27 New
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        Quote: quilted jacket
        So the thing is (comma) that I (comma) quilted jacket - an adult, smart, noble and extremely decent person (comma), unlike (correctly - unlike) youyland (comma) of a little evil boy with a “disturbed psyche” "and standing (rightly standing) at an extremely low level of" mental development "(comma) and even with schizophrenic fantasies about meeting with Vysotsky (dash) poet (comma) I don’t laugh at you (comma) but I’m talking about you clean the truth.
        As the people say, it’s a sin to laugh at a “sick” person (comma) like you


        Total in one small paragraph - 12 errors. For each of you, girl, 5 rods - it will be just right! am A little boy and one for a mistake would be enough, but you say that an adult means more demand! laughing
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        padded jacket 7 January 2016 12: 21 New
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        Total in one small paragraph - 12 errors

        Did you find the “poor” little “sick” dreamer-errors?
        Who helped you mom or in your ward in a mental hospital all the great diplomas lol
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        Weyland 7 January 2016 12: 33 New
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        Quote: quilted jacket
        Who helped you (dash) mom (comma) or in your ward in a mental hospital all the great diplomas (question mark)


        Three errors in one line. It seems that 5 rods for 1 error will not be enough. will have to double the dose. It’s necessary, Vatnik, it’s necessary! laughing
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        Weyland 7 January 2016 12: 33 New
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        Quote: quilted jacket
        Who helped you (dash) mom (comma) or in your ward in a mental hospital all the great diplomas (question mark)


        Three errors in one line. It seems that 5 rods for 1 error will not be enough. will have to double the dose. It’s necessary, Vatnik, it’s necessary! laughing
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        padded jacket 7 January 2016 13: 01 New
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        Three errors in one line. It seems that 5 rods for 1 error will not be enough. will have to double the dose.

        Are you deprived of painful pills in a hospital again? smile I look fantasy played out apparently love when you are being punished? You especially love the rods that you remember them with such tenderness all the time, apparently this one like him?
        Masochist laughing
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        Weyland 7 January 2016 13: 11 New
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        Girl, I’m rather a sadist, but you’re a typical masochist: again 12 errors of 3,5 lines! Obviously you like the rods! laughing
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        padded jacket 7 January 2016 13: 36 New
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        Quote: Weyland
        Girl

        Girl? belay Do you have Weyland sick erotic fantasies again? Faster run to the doctor for pills or pills laughing
        Quote: Weyland
        I'm rather a sadist

        What sadist are you? lol You are a poor defenseless “victim” which, to put it mildly, “spread rot” and “use” for “lack of mind” and general “underdevelopment” laughing
        Quote: Weyland
        Obviously you like the rods!

        You apparently like these rods with delight when you beat them laughing
        Or weyland give you rods in the hospital instead of pills? lol
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        Weyland 7 January 2016 19: 16 New
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        again 13 punctuation errors - rods, rods and rods!
        And as for me - me for what ?! (with) I know my native language and with decent people I’m behaving correctly on the forum! laughing
        And with you I’m already too kind, remembering Horace’s words: "Ne scutica dignum horribile sectere flagello" (however, you still won’t understand them - alas ... tongue )
        In particular, the "lack of mind" and the general "underdevelopment" of any unbiased forum member will more likely refer to you - my intellectual level is visible from my posts! For example, the lack of reaction to the "carcharodon plate-branchial" shows the level of your education! laughing
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        padded jacket 7 January 2016 19: 58 New
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        Quote: Weyland
        again 13 punctuation errors - rods, rods and rods!

        Again the rods? belay Do you love their poor little boy. All the same, it’s clear that Weyland is a masochist. laughing
        Quote: Weyland
        And with you I’m already too kind, remembering Horace’s words: "Ne scutica dignum horribile sectere flagello" (however, you still won’t understand them - alas ..

        Are you kind smile Yes, it's just your mind is extremely limited. smile
        Quote: Weyland
        my intellectual level is visible from my posts!

        The only thing that is visible from your posts is that they forgot to give you pills in the clinic again lol
        Because you are talking nonsense, however, as always smile
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        Weyland 8 January 2016 15: 07 New
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        Quote: quilted jacket
        Yes, it's just your mind is extremely limited.

        and it says a little girl to the man quoting Horace in the original (and not just like that, but very out of place?

        Quote: quilted jacket
        The only thing that is visible from your posts is that they forgot to give you pills in the clinic again

        Quote: quilted jacket
        Because you are talking nonsense, however, as always


        Well, so strain the only gyrus and refute reasonably this nonsense! And I read and laugh! laughing
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        padded jacket 8 January 2016 15: 22 New
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        Quote: Weyland
        and it says a little girl to the man quoting Horace in the original (and not just like that, but very out of place?

        Poor "naive sick" child with unhealthy erotic fantasies you probably all in the hospital quote him smile and you memorized lol
        Do not forget to take pills today, but it looks like your visions begin again lol
        Quote: Weyland
        Well, so strain the only gyrus and reasonably refute this nonsense! And I read and laugh!

        Why refute the nonsense in advance knowing that it is issued by a "mentally unhealthy" person like you lol
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        Weyland 8 January 2016 18: 40 New
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        Quote: quilted jacket
        Why refute the nonsense in advance knowing that it is issued by a "mentally unhealthy" person like you


        Drain counted! tongue
        Well, and the rods for 9 errors in punctuation - it goes without saying! Or withаthe fight? laughing Are you a subwoofer or a maza?
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        padded jacket 8 January 2016 19: 25 New
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        Quote: Weyland
        Drain counted! tongue
        Well, and the rods for 9 errors in punctuation - this is by itself! Or saba?

        Well, consider what you want, as they say - no matter what the child was amusing, just not crying lol
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    padded jacket 5 January 2016 15: 28 New
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    junior high school student-nashi-seligerysh who is trying to teach people many times superior to him in every way!

    Poor sick little boy, I even feel sorry for “offending” you anyway, you won’t understand that they’re just laughing at you lol
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    Megatron 2 January 2016 22: 39 New
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    There is a monument on the square in Alma-Ata, there is a “golden man” on top, and on the sides high reliefs on the theme of just those events. So, Soviet law enforcement officers are shown there in the style of fascist-oppressors, as they were depicted on posters from the time of the Second World War.
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      padded jacket 2 January 2016 22: 42 New
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      So, Soviet law enforcement officers are shown there in the style of fascist-oppressors, as they were depicted on posters from the time of the Second World War.

      It was in all the republics of the former USSR and in the countries of the Warsaw Pact, so do not be surprised at this, nationalism can be ignited everywhere if you wish.
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      Megatron 2 January 2016 22: 48 New
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      And now we must forgive everyone again?
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      padded jacket 2 January 2016 23: 09 New
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      And now we must forgive everyone again?

      And do you think we should now harbor resentment towards all of us around and keep a stone in our bosoms so that when the chance comes up to hit them?
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      Megatron 2 January 2016 23: 21 New
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      Russians were driven out of the former republics, deprived of housing, or even often simply slaughtered.

      But now they are coming to us en masse. Can't live without Russians? Why aren’t they building their statehood?
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      padded jacket 2 January 2016 23: 28 New
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      But now they are coming to us en masse. Can't live without Russians? Why aren’t they building their statehood?

      Why do not we say frankly everything and not everywhere.
      From the same Kazakhstan, for example, there are very few visitors (at least with us), but from Tajikistan and Uzbekistan - I talked a lot with at least a dozen (from Tajikistan they work mainly in housing offices), they say there is no work at home and the salaries are scanty.
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      padded jacket 2 January 2016 23: 33 New
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      But now they are coming to us en masse. Can't live without Russians? Why aren’t they building their statehood?

      Although here in our company (before the imposition of sanctions by the West) Belarusians were engaged in construction and asked why not in their homeland - they said that there you can earn as much as here but there are fewer “prohibitions” and more entertainment than in Belarus.
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      Megatron 2 January 2016 23: 39 New
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      The Kazakhs do not go, I agree, and the rest - in bulk, the Uzbeks from the Gastriks and fell into the KZ by the way, she is in the same position there.
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      padded jacket 2 January 2016 23: 44 New
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      and the rest - by the ramparts, the Uzbeks from Gastrik and in the KZ fell into pieces by the way, she is there in the same position

      So, the answer is, first of all, this is a poor economic situation in neighboring countries if they had “bugs” from their belly and the standard of living on nobody in Switzerland would have gone to us.
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      Megatron 2 January 2016 23: 50 New
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      So it is clear as day. Only they drove out all the Russians: doctors, teachers, engineers, told us what occupiers we were, about the richest traditions and culture of the titular nations, but it turned out that the "titular", except to ride a horse and play "one dombra, two strings", nothing and they can’t. I am not against them as such, I do not urge them to destroy or something else, but let them live at home - a suitcase - a train station - Central Asia, they really wanted to be "free".
    10. padded jacket
      padded jacket 3 January 2016 00: 02 New
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      Quote: Megatron
      Only they drove out all Russians: doctors, teachers, engineers

      I don’t know. We don’t say this directly. They mostly work in various housing and maintenance "offices" in shops as loaders, very rarely sellers in the hospital saw an Uzbek nanny among women; many of them work as cleaners.
      An engineer or manager in a Tajik office or for example an Uzbek never saw a teacher by the way either.
  • Megatron
    Megatron 2 January 2016 22: 26 New
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    It’s just that you weren’t in the world at that time - but I saw all this with my own eyes!

    I myself am from Almaty, then my uncle stood in a cordon in the square.
    In fact, only the cadets well crushed these (maydaunas) with their shoulder blades, for their crippled ones, and before that there was an order "not to succumb to provocations at all costs."

    And if they would be rolled out in China on Tiananmen Square, you would look and now they lived in the USSR.

    Nazar, in politics, is the same father, the same hellish fellow. He only acts more subtle, in the eastern style.
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 3 January 2016 15: 24 New
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      Quote: Megatron
      I myself am from Almaty, then my uncle stood in a cordon in the square.


      Good afternoon, fellow countryman! hi Plus - I agree with everything! As they say, one should argue about the taste of oysters with those who ate them - and this padded boy is trying to rub what a good Nurik is, those who know him a hundred times better! laughing
      But the backstory of the December events - Kunaev (highly respected by me for his behavior during the mudflow of 1973) read Nurik into his successors, and then, it seems, learned something about him that changed his mind about it - and Kolbin’s appointment It is connected in many ways with this.
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 3 January 2016 20: 12 New
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        Quote: Weyland
        As they say, one should argue about the taste of oysters with those who ate them - and this padded boy is trying to rub what a good Nurik is, those who know him a hundred times better!

        Yes, you don’t know anyone. Just another storyteller in “wet diapers,” as it were, the continuer of the work of Hans Christian Anderson.
        1. Weyland
          Weyland 4 January 2016 01: 17 New
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          Quote: quilted jacket
          successor of the Hans Christian Anderson case.


          Why so rude to flatter? I am to the great Andersen hi never grow! crying And to Perrault all the more - he was an academician in general! And about the great philologists of the Brothers Grimm - the authors of the monumental "Dictionary of the German Language" - I generally keep quiet! laughing
          Boy from Seliger who doesn’t even know that Danish surnames, unlike English ones, end not in -sone, but in -sentrying to teach those who are suitable for his grandfathers by age? laughing He doesn’t even know that Andersen wrote fairy tales. для взрослых, and only people over 30 understand them correctly!
          It is a pity that now the rods have been canceled at school - "impudent puppies are punished!" (with)
        2. padded jacket
          padded jacket 4 January 2016 10: 47 New
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          Quote: Weyland
          Why so rude to flatter? I will never grow to the great Andersen!

          Really wrong to you to Anderson far your intellectual baggage is much lower than even a storyteller lol
          Quote: Weyland
          It’s a pity that now the schools canceled the rods - “impudent puppies are punished!

          Apparently, they apparently beat you more than once and hit the head with a ruler otherwise how to explain your so "low level of development" smile
          Quote: Weyland
          He doesn’t even know that Andersen wrote fairy tales for adults, and only people over 30 understand them correctly!

          That is, you still can’t understand them, but you will grow up and maybe it will reach you, although this is unlikely smile
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  • rusih
    rusih 2 January 2016 04: 43 New
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    The ethnic composition of Kazakhstan according to current statistics (as of January 1.01.2009, 25.02.2009) and according to preliminary census data (February XNUMX, XNUMX)
    People Score as of January 1.01.2009, 7 [25.02.2009]% Census 6/XNUMX/XNUMX [XNUMX]%
    Total 15776492 100,00% 16 009 597 100,0%
    Kazakhs 9 540 806 60,47% 10 096 763 63,07%
    Russian 3 869 661 24,53% 3 793 764 23,70%
    Uzbeks 463 381 2,94% 456 997 2,85%
    Ukrainians 422 680 2,68% 333 031 2,08%
    Uyghurs 241 946 1,53% 224 713 1,40%
    Tatars 226 803 1,44% 204 229 1,28%
    Germans 220 975 1,40% 178 409 1,11%
    other 790 240 5,01% 721 691 4,51%
  • Talgat
    Talgat 31 December 2015 18: 15 New
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    You exaggerate - give a small part for the big picture

    This is just one of the routes - look at the volumes - you can’t transport much there - ferries, etc. - it’s difficult

    There are many routes - and most of it is planned through Russia - here the volumes will be real - many options were discussed

    Last year they passed railway with Iran - Iran’s connection with China and Russia is also
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 31 December 2015 20: 50 New
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      The fastest route through the Republic of Kazakhstan, Russia and Belarus. Two borders: Kazakh. and Bel.-ES. And that’s all.
      All the rest are longer. Through Azerbaijan: 4 borders and two ports to the EU. Via Iran: 4 borders and port.
      At the moment, no more than 10% (this is the maximum) will go through Baku according to my estimates, which go through Kazakhstan (about 40 million tons) from the PRC and other southeast Asia. And it (the route through the Caspian) is rather regional. hi
    2. padded jacket
      padded jacket 1 January 2016 15: 50 New
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      Quote: Talgat
      Last year they passed railway with Iran - Iran’s connection with China and Russia is also

      We are very right in doing that we finally shifted our gaze to the East, first of all, of course, to our friend Kazakhstan, as well as Iran and China, even if we don’t even find “high technologies” there, but we find markets for our products and from them we get goods that are made with us. Yes, and what can we say? Our country itself is two-thirds in Asia, but we used to be the same country with Kazakhstan, and the fact that the USSR artificially broke did not mean that we should forget our past.

      Iran may obtain a license for the production of Tupolev aircraft
      The Russian company Tupolev can provide Iran with a license to manufacture its aircraft, and transfer technical know-how to Iranian experts.
      https://russian.rt.com/article/139022
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 1 January 2016 19: 23 New
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        Padded jacket. It's time to pay attention to the East. It is here that Russian products of high processing are in great demand: engineering, military-industrial complex, etc. .. And even more so, our natural resources. Little is written about this, but after the construction of pipelines and infrastructure in Asia, energy sources (ours, cheap, pipelines) may not be enough for everyone (Japan, Korea, India, China and all of southeast Asia). Moreover, if you look at how Rosatom builds nuclear power plants. Then the question of friends and ill-wishers may arise - the Europeans still think little about this and do not look strategically (in the long run).
        It was unpleasant to see how the highest man-in Russia "creeped" before the West. Especially during the EBN.
        And "high" technologies - Russia has a huge scientific potential, which can understand the "modern trends" and "digest" them. Suffice it to recall the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation. It took a little time and money for the Russian army to show what Russia is capable of. And all these "humiliations and mudsliding" of Russia by the West from the evil one. They, like fire, are afraid of the rise of the Russian Federation, and we hope so. Since without a strong Russia, we will be in the margins. And the EAEU to help us. hi
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 1 January 2016 20: 02 New
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          Quote: Kasym
          It's time to pay attention to the East. It is here that Russian products of high processing are in good demand: engineering, military-industrial complex, etc.

          I have the same opinion. We need to rely on the countries of the former Russia / USSR with which we have lived together for centuries and help them build a competitive industry and agriculture and not lick about the West. Our power will develop in many respects precisely in friendship with the countries surrounding the country of the countries of the former USSR and the East.
          Quote: Kasym
          They, like fire, are afraid of the rise of the Russian Federation, and we hope so. Since without a strong Russia, we will be in the backyards

          They are afraid of the creation of a new USSR - a superpower which, thanks to its power, brought genuine terror to them.
          Although this is unlikely to be, we are simply obligated to unite in trade and political unions and act on the world stage with a single opinion, otherwise we will simply be "crushed" one by one.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 1 January 2016 23: 04 New
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            Because of their "short-term" policy, they do not notice that they themselves are pushing us towards each other. That Ukraine. Having passed this chaos and "devastation", where the impoverished Ukraine will run? Who can help, not just in words? The answer is obvious. The only question is: when and how? Baltic States and Georgia. Russia can quickly solve everything with them, but in my opinion, Moscow is waiting for it to "weld" itself. It can quickly lead to an increase in radical moods. And now they are a burden for us - let them run into American democracy. But Ukraine is more important, so I wonder how and when. No wonder Moscow, Minsk and Astana have been doing so since 2004. courted Kiev in the EAEU.
            I understand that someone will say that it is naive to think so. The USA is a superpower and will not allow us to carry out our plans. But only the White House is across the ocean, and actions are taking place at our borders. And it is clear that the Russian Federation began to tighten the nuts to Kiev. I already wrote about this before the outbreak of hostilities - economically, the GDP will simply crush. They cover up trade, migrant workers with an unshackled job, coal Donbass - the influx of currency is falling, which is so necessary even for the purchase of energy. Live long on loans will not work. One can even assume that the radicals (PS, Freedom) will seize power. But it seems that the West itself will refuse such money will not give. It has long been noticeable that any actions by Kiev against the Russian Federation ultimately lead to an even worse situation for these authorities. It got to the point that how to buy energy, if the loan weighs - you can just throw it, taking an advance payment. I know that Moscow will not do this, but Kiev itself has brought it to this.
            I agree that there is no need to cause terror. And in our common interests to create a new Union. hi
            Happy New Year to you! drinks
  • -Traveller-
    -Traveller- 31 December 2015 17: 12 New
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    Turkey is the No. 1 economy in the region. But Iran - No. 2m

    this is news, but how about Saudi Arabia, or does the unnamed region include only Turkey and Iran?
    1. trantor
      trantor 1 January 2016 14: 35 New
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      Quote: -Traveller-
      Turkey is the No. 1 economy in the region. But Iran - No. 2m

      this is news, but how about Saudi Arabia, or does the unnamed region include only Turkey and Iran?

      Of course, I am not an expert, but the concept of "gas station" is more suitable for the Saudis than the economy.
  • Andrew Iwanow
    Andrew Iwanow 2 January 2016 11: 54 New
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    Quote: SSR
    And apparently, Iraq is pulling up ... I am silent about Syria. Egypt, also in the Russian Federation, began to look more after color ...

    “He began to look, but what about the financial dependence of Egypt on the Saudis?”
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 2 January 2016 21: 34 New
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      It seems that the conflict between Shiites and Sunnis is flaring up with renewed vigor:
      Iran threatens Saudi Arabia with pay at the highest rate
      Tehran reacted harshly to the report of the execution in Saudi Arabia of the famous Shiite preacher Ayatollah Nimr al-Nimra. And one of Iran’s most influential religious leaders, Ahmad Khatami, predicted the overthrow of the Saudi royal dynasty.
      http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1590039/
      In Bahrain, riots there are the majority of the Shiite population and the power in the country belongs to the Sunnis and is fully oriented to Saudi Arabia:
      Bahrain police dispersed protesters against the execution of a preacher in Saudi Arabia
      http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/2569475
      Iraqi Prime Minister condemns the execution of a Shiite preacher in Saudi Arabia
      According to Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi, attempts to drown out the voice of opponents through executions "will lead to nothing but further destruction."
      http://ria.ru/world/20160102/1353482949.html
      Hezbollah Movement Calls to Denounce Execution of Al-Nimr Preacher
      "We demand that the world community condemns the murder of Sheikh al-Nimr and recognizes the actions of the Saudi authorities as global crime," the Hezbollah statement transmits the channel.
      http://ria.ru/world/20160102/1353364102.html
      A wave of protests swept across the Middle East over the execution in Saudi Arabia
      Shiite demonstrations swept through Iraq, Kuwait, Bahrain, Lebanon, India and Yemen.
      http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1590137/
      Media: Riyadh sent troops to disperse protesters against the execution of a Shiite preacher
      The Saudi authorities sent troops to the city of Al-Katif to suppress the protests caused by the execution of the Shiite preacher Nimr al-Nimr. This was reported by the Iranian Fars agency.
      http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/2569499

      And also:
      Armistice ended in Yemen
      The Saudi Crash Authority, which leads a coalition of Arab states, has announced that the silence regime in Yemen has been canceled. The truce, which lasted only two weeks, is broken.
      The coalition's government support team announces ceasefire in Yemen today Saturday at 14 p.m., TASS quoted as saying
      http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2704966
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 2 January 2016 23: 20 New
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        Iran began to receive money from Europe, apparently from previously blocked ones, and maybe soon it will be something to pay for new supplies for our equipment and weapons.
        Iran receives money for oil for the first time in five years from Europe

        European sanctions on the export of petrochemical products from Iran have ceased to apply. For the first time in five years, an Iranian company received money for its goods on an account opened in a bank from the EU.
        According to the interlocutor of IRNA, the receipt of money marked the end of the dispute, which lasted over the past five years.
        http://www.rbc.ru/politics/02/01/2016/56879bc59a79471dcc95ff99