OPK began to supply the troops of the newest radio stations

The United Instrument-Making Corporation began deliveries to the military department of radio stations of the Aqueduct complex, which are equipped, including Tanks “Armata”, reports RIA News a message from the general director of the corporation, Alexander Yakunin.

“This year we went to the troops of the radio station P-168 of the Aqueduct complex. This is a large line of communications — portable, wearable, transport, and portable. They are equipped with personnel, various equipment, including new types of weapons - the Armata tank, the BMP and the Kurganets-25 armored personnel carrier, the Boomerang armored personnel carrier, the Typhoon-K armored car, ”the general director said.

“In addition, digital tactical radio communication systems P-169 and P-380K manufactured by the Sozvezdie concern (included in the military-industrial complex), which are used to build unified digital networks at the battalion, regiment, division, were supplied to the troops,” he said, adding that "with their help, it will be possible in the field to organize video conferences up to the level of the National Center for Defense Management of Russia."

Comments

[MIKHALYCH1]

Communication, this is blood in the army! We always lacked good communication ... I hope this is the same as what is expected in the troops!

[Beaver]

Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX

Communication, this is blood in the army

Nerve, if my memory serves me right. And the nerves in battle need steel!

[Eugene-Eugene]

it will be possible to organize videoconferences in the field

Smiled. I present the answer of the battalion commander to the video call from the National Center at this moment:

[zheka]

Communication is information. And whoever owns the information, then owns the whole world!

[sharp-lad]

Request support from the air defense forces.

[sssla]

Quote: Castor

Nerve, if my memory serves me right

Quite right, does not change !! Well, the citizen above said - the "blood" of the army, an inventor

[captain]

I agree with you, I remember in Afghanistan, our communication worked on a principle; I see - I hear, I do not see - I do not hear. I'd like to believe in what was voiced.

[Denis Obukhov]

And here is what the radio looks like.

[APASUS]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

And here is what the radio looks like.

Ha-ha-ha!
radio station R-168 of the "Aqueduct" complex is more than half a hundred devices

Portable radio stations R-168E of the VHF band
Portable radio station R-168-1KE KV-range
Wearable and portable radio stations R-168E of the VHF band
Microwave Wearable and Wearable Radio R-168E
Mobile R-168E VHF radios
Wearable radio station R-168-5KNE KV-band
Transportable radio stations R-168E KV-band
Repeater R-168-0.5U (P) E
Device for technical masking of voice messages "R-168MA (5) E"
Transportable technical masking device for voice information R-168 MVE
Marker transmitter R-168MP
Search receiver R-168PP

So for familiarizationhttp://www.sozvezdie.su/catalog/semeystvo_radiostantsiy_r168e/

[ty60]

The question is whose elemental base. Whose software? And then they will not only listen to us, but also look closely.

[Trigger-Happy]

Theirs, whose else !!! Atmel, Xilinx, ..... everything is fine with the software - Constellation.

[Nikotin13]

what if the minister wants to whisper with a platoon?

[cap]

Quote: corn

etc.; it’s advisable to put a model after the dashes.
Only after this can something be discussed.
I hope you understand that I will ask questions about the coincidence of frequencies, coding, and range (I understand that one d.u.r.a.k. may ask more questions than a hundred wise men will answer).
I was surprised by the conclusions of some commentators about the possibility of a video conference between the platoon and the Minister of Defense (why the xyz do they need each other).

"Some" pull a medal that they don't understand .

[Vadim237]

This station is already outdated morally and physically.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Vadim237

This station is already outdated morally and physically.

Not really, Vadim.
She has not yet been brought to mind. By the way, she has a modernization reserve.

[zennon]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

And here is what the radio looks like.

And here is the P-168-5KVE tank. The portable HF radio station provides open and camouflaged radio communications in the radio networks of the tactical command link when installed in objects on a wheeled or tracked base with voltage on-board network 27В.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: zennon

Quote: Denis Obukhov

And here is what the radio looks like.

And here is the P-168-5KVE tank. The portable HF radio station provides open and camouflaged radio communications in the radio networks of the tactical command link when installed in objects on a wheeled or tracked base with voltage on-board network 27В.

Andrey, this is really a KV station.
But the tanks are VHF. Ever since the beginning of the 10-s, they began to put the P-168-25UE series, by the way, the armor has a sideboard. 24 network, not 27.

Photo: P-168-25UE-2 at T-72Б3.
So far - damp, and the headset was trash. I hope they corrected situevina, at least at the station itself.
...........

ps And the article smiled)))
To say that the Aqueduct began to be supplied to the troops as a novelty ...

They have been around for a long time, and besides, with a bunch of varieties and already with modernization.

[Trigger-Happy]

At this station, only alteration will help correct situevine. Pay attention to the block on the right, in which two cables are stuck, this is the FDS-20. So, if you throw it away, then the flair at certain frequencies improved two times. Plus, all these external cables do not add to the reliability of the design. It has a plus in that it is modular, you can remove the burned block and replace it, for example, assemble one of two. But the implementation of this modularity, our technologists could not do at a decent level, all around sticking out harnesses and pickups on them, ruining the flair. It would be great if we made a cross-board at the bottom, into which the blocks are inserted as a comp. technicians.

[Vadim237]

Judging by the photographs of this radio station, it was produced back in the 80s - clearly not digital.

[Trigger-Happy]

No, they painted it in the year 2003, the 4th, the series began to be made first in 2006-2007 somewhere. Digital, digital, believe me, those are two small 5UN that have a display. You can take them out by the way, attach the battery and pick it up with you if necessary. We looked at all this at the adversaries, they began to do so from the 80s!

[Grim Reaper]

I haven’t had so much fun for a long time. )))))

[trantor]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

And here is what the radio looks like.

It is clear that you need more reliable. But the headset, headphones, jack, "usability" and appearance of the entire line, originally from the 40s, could have already been changed. I look at this outrage and I think that the author of the first post is closest to the truth: blood is not a nerve.

[Nikita74]

10 years ago they were already in ODON, and wearable in KShMkah. I was very surprised at the question of the captain, who came to exchange experiences, when such would go to the troops (we ourselves worked for them). But it turns out they only went into the troops now SLOWLY !!!

[iv.ionov]

They probably thought that there was a lot of this blood in our army, and the military communications school was closed in Ryazan !!! ???

[Basarev]

At last. And then we still use captured German radio stations - shame and shame!

[dmi.pris]

Shame and shame are not trophy stations, but electronic equipment ... whose production is known. From the domestic only the building. In general, what is called import substitution is so far only a fiction in electronic components.

Quote: Basarev

At last. And then we still use captured German radio stations - shame and shame!

[I am Russian]

Forgive me admins. The question is a little off topic.
This unit lit up in New Russia. What kind of apparatus? Unfortunately, there is only such a photo. Near Selidovo, occupied by the DPR.

[lelikas]

Quote: I-Russian

Forgive me admins. The question is a little off topic.
This unit lit up in New Russia. What kind of apparatus? Unfortunately, there is only such a photo. Near Selidovo, occupied by the DPR.

Stronghold without "skirts".

[kil 31]

"Stronghold." Judging by your photo, the Thais have definitely abandoned the contract with Ukraine. If they are existing 5 pieces that they were obliged to deliver to Thailand, they drove to the ATO.

[I am Russian]

Dear, thank you

[kil 31]

Quote: I-Russian

Dear, thank you

Not at all.

[VP]

Who [beep beep] in the rain and mud?
Our valiant connection

[sssla]

Quote: VP

Who [beep beep] in the rain and mud?
Our valiant connection

If there is no rain and mud
Us beep-beep communications manager

[family tree]

Well, I’ll add
Booty in the soap
Muzzle in the mud
Where are you from?
We are out of touch
A cousin, a cousin, had an urgent connection, sat behind a glass of tea, and could not figure out who had shoveled the most land, I, in engineer-sapper, or he was laying cable in trenches

[Aleks tv]

Quote: perepilka

Well, I’ll add
Booty in the soap
Muzzle in the mud
Where are you from?
We are out of touch
A cousin, a cousin, had an urgent connection, sat behind a glass of tea, and could not figure out who had shoveled the most land, I, in engineer-sapper, or he was laying cable in trenches

Volodya -

And in general: "shouted louder - more heard."
The undeniable axiom of military communications.

[Inok10]

Quote: Aleks tv

And in general: "shouted louder - more heard."
The undeniable axiom of military communications.

.. especially on the WAS .. .. speak slowly and thinking ..

[family tree]

Quote: Aleks tv

And in general: "shouted louder - more heard."
The undeniable axiom of military communications.

There were UKVshki, "Flax", on timber carriers 41,5 MHz, on diesel locomotives 37, or 36 with something, I don't remember already. On the logging sites, like from the Bratsk hydroelectric power station, they chatted, and on the UZhDshnye, from Afgan, the guys responded, the last century, the USSR, with the ionosphere, something was happening, or something, it turned out to shout loudly.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: perepilka

last century, the USSR, with the ionosphere, something was happening, or something, it turned out to shout loudly.

Aha Volod.
VHF - he is like that.)))
I caught a lot myself ... The coolest thing was to look for on the P-123, there is an exact manual (!!!) setting.
On the P-173, this did not work out already.
Oh, Memory ... radish.)))

[Alexey-74]

With the presence of a good secure connection, a completely different picture of the battle is verified !!! The military will say many thanks for this.

[Zaurbek]

7 years have passed since the war in Georgia and the capture of NATO radio stations. And digital communications went to the troops.

[Beaver]

Leave your hints. Digital technology, including communications, has long been used in the troops.

[Zaurbek]

And the numbers themselves have long been invented ... Or are you talking about the numbers that are written on the radio station?

[Trigger-Happy]

There have never been any problems with the stations of potential enemies! So it's not the topic of an ulcer. I remember how in the early 2000s we looked at the English wearable station "Jaguar" and admired the quality of the work! It was simply not possible to compare with ours. By the way, her concept served as a prototype of what is now being pushed into the Armata ...

[tso1973]

You are fundamentally wrong! Imported radio stations surpass ours only in ergonomics; in everything else they lag behind! the fact is that for each frequency at which the radio stations operate there is a certain distance between the radio elements and, accordingly, the size of the product depends on it. In the USSR, emphasis was placed on communication quality with minimal power consumption, that is, the transmitter power is lower than the sensitivity and selectivity of the receiver, this achieved a range , in the import stations, the creators went the other way in the fight for the small size, they had to reduce the sensitivity of the receiver in order to exclude excitation due to the small size and in order not to lose the range to increase the transmitter power, and this leads to a decrease in the quality and range of communication in the presence of interference and increased power consumption. All this was tested both in the laboratory and in practice in urban conditions.

[Dragon-y]

What radio stations are you talking about? R-111 (kit weight about 90kg) with a power of 80W or R-107M (weight about 19kg, output 5W)?

[Trigger-Happy]

A strange people are sitting here, they don't understand the topic, but they write, write, they get a rating, apparently, it is necessary to delve into the meaning of the written proposals! I wrote about the Jaguar station and the quality of its performance, ergonomics. By instinct, it is at the same level as ours, approximately, their PPRCH is cut off in the export version. Write complete nonsense about the size. It is easier for everyone to believe that they put "the very thing" in Armata, believe in your health, but in reality it is not! Whoever is in the subject knows.

[roma-belij]

He served in 2005 in the navy, even then they began to introduce "digital", satellite and other types of "closed" communications. So Georgia and NATO are out of business here. They just turned to the army in the "right" place))

[Vadim237]

The radio station "Aqueduct" seems to have been created in the early 2000s, but only now it was adopted.

[crambol]

What about security?

[Beaver]

Quote: crambol

What about security?

From interference, from listening, or from dust and water?

[tso1973]

In 1992, the P105M fell when landing from a hundred meters on the field in a cargo container, the signalman forgot to fasten the halyard. The P105m was a tube and nevertheless, the blow did not affect performance. A motorola of military performance crashes when falling from five meters, the body is whole, and inside all the circuits fly off. So ours are protected from dust, fall, moisture and from listening.

[Trigger-Happy]

In the tactical link it’s quite normal - 256 jumps were in the frequency hopping. Another question is that if you have a good scanner (and jammers, of course) it crushes for one or two.

[Rarog]

Quote: Vadim237

The radio station "Aqueduct" seems to have been created in the early 2000s, but only now it was adopted.

Remember about her in the second half of the 90s in AIF wrote. I suppose, according to the results of the first Chechen one, they invented it.

[Olegater]

In now, Nat and lice have a head swelling. After all, everything was built on high technology and they thought that the Russians were yelling at each other on the battlefield. Interceptions and interference of radio stations are, after all, primarily a violation of the control of military units. And with the input digital tactical radio communications R-169 and P-380K produced by the Sozvezdiye concern (part of the defense industry complex), which serve to build unified digital networks at the battalion, regiment, division level it is very good. And the military intelligence of the Abwehr louse (jokingly) again missed the innovation. It is they who need to establish algorithms for work and frequencies - this is time, resources and the development of countermeasures. And all of this they have Westerners to prepare podlyany judging by the hysteria is less or not at all.

[corn]

Little information. But if I understood the article correctly, then, in principle, the division commander can contact any "private" at any time? And then I still have the feeling that "there is no connection, except ..." or "Volga, Volga, I am the Scribe, the tanks are on the right, we are ...".

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

Videoconference in battle, it will be strong! Another soldier wi-fi free, but open access to social networks. (Joke).

[Aandrewsir]

There is no way to do without communication now in the Armed Forces. Communication and command and control are the most important components of success!

[Sergey Vladimirovich]

Why only now !? Everything was always based on communication, there was no communication, there was no control ... You can't fight a lot with a "swift deer" that carries a report or order ... Although, very often there is simply no other way ...

[seregatara1969]

communication without interference and without interception is the dream of any commander

[Siberian]

He served in special communications only as an conscript. He served in the BCP, who knows he will understand. I know one thing that we could not drown out, no one could and the like. And there were all kinds of jammers. In Karabakh, our brothers gave a connection without any problems. And when they were withdrawn from Afghanistan. I apologize for the retreat, but now takes some doubt. And aren’t the new inventors trying to push the old techno under the new ones?

[Maj.]

I held in my hands a similar craft about 25 years ago, in appearance it is very similar. For field conditions, I don’t need a video for horseradish. The connection should be easy to manage, and this is another hemorrhoid in the photo

[tso1973]

how not needed? A soldier is sitting in ambush and reports that two green tanks have passed, they do not believe him. Here he says, see for yourself and turn on the video conference! at import stations there is the possibility of connecting a video headset, apparently the enemies also think that sometimes it is necessary.

[Gunther]

... organize in the field
video conferencing ...

This, of course, is very relevant in combat conditions - a video conference with Russia’s Central Office, but the impossibility to listen to the negotiations is much more important if the enemy has a similar communications package.

[VP]

Even in "antiquity" the ZAS-equipment was invented. I myself used this at one time.
I doubt that she has become worse.

[Sergey Vladimirovich]

Have you survived? All my life I remember the three states of communication - it is being minimized, deployed or temporarily absent ... Does the fourth appear already - it works steadily!? ... That’s to try !!!

[Sergey Vladimirovich]

Quote: crambol
What about security?
From interference, from listening, or from dust and water?

So from everything, however! ... And also from the lack of batteries - an eternal headache ... like, everything is there, but the batteries are kirdyk ...

[ayuric]

We are developing li-po at radio stations, soon for testing ...

[ayuric]

and who is the minus one here? explain yourself!

[shans2]

thin hatches (s) as I look at the T 14 with open hatches, this phrase is remembered

[Zaurbek]

Digital communication was, the question of what size were the devices on the ZIL 131 or portable on the back. And at what level did it start? Definitely not with fighters, not in tanks, artillery and helicopters. Maybe in two Chechen wars the connection was good or in the Georgian? Before cons, learn the mat part. I once ran across the fields with a 16kg radio station behind me. It was definitely not digital.

[gg.na]

“With their help, it will be possible to organize video conferences in the field up to the level of the National Center for Defense Management of Russia.”

Here is the connection this is me pony-and-and-ii-yima-a-a-aaaaayyuuuuu !!! Yes, with such a connection, you can fight and even more so serve !!! I hope that communication protection is also up to par !!!

[neo1200]

I must say, of course, Russia lags far behind the United States in communication systems, so you have to work early

[hawk]

So, to be honest: the Aqueduct (R-168) has been produced since 2000 (the first order for supply and the first qualification tests in production). Now the third generation of this complex has already been mastered. You see for yourself that the base was laid in the distant 90s. Even the latest versions are significantly behind the American Harrison and French Talles. At the same time, there are other developments made in the form of serious systems for collecting, processing, and transmitting data, including real-time video, positioning systems, serious information closure, the ability to work in the face of severe enemy electronic warfare attacks, etc. Not yet for the entire army, for special forces. Design solutions and software are completely domestic. The weakest link is the electronic component base. Here we are behind and we have to cunning in real production, build logistics ...

[Row]

Product of the Ryazan Radio Plant.
A huge number of R-168-0.1U (M) E / 1E have been in warehouses since the early 2000s. A buggy processor, a lot of stations simply do not turn on, the MP-1-10-1V connector is just a disaster - to connect, you need special care, otherwise your legs will break off or bend instantly. The antenna is generally dark. The mount is somehow flimsy, in the conditions of not even a battle, but just exercises in the ear, it constantly interferes, subsides, it can even come off. I would like to note the very "irony" of the structure, the plastic is durable, the soldiers' curious hands just won't get inside. Two versions - the old one, in the form of an accessory to the unloading with wires under the straps, and the new one, worn over the shoulder.
Not an ice at all.

[Skifotavr]

Quote: Kil 31

"Stronghold." Judging by your photo, the Thais have definitely abandoned the contract with Ukraine. If they are existing 5 pieces that they were obliged to deliver to Thailand, they drove to the ATO.

They drove them a long time ago, and not because the Thais refused, but because the Maidan-revolutionary "government" did not allow them to be delivered to Thailand. They then give a damn about the reputation of the Morozov Design Bureau and the plant. Malysheva.

[Aleksandr2012]

Followed the link, looked. It seems that the characteristics of the equipment is not bad, but it looks very bulky, heavy and uncomfortable. Again, according to the characteristics, it’s not bad, but far from outstanding. I’m an old amateur radio amateur, and a little in topic. I don’t understand the choice of frequency ranges. If it’s clear with a square, then with frequencies of 30-100 MHz it’s not clear. Not the most convenient range for short-range communications. Plus, the dimensions of the antennas are measured in meters. Why can’t you use the range of 120-1000 MHz in the digital, while reducing the size and increasing the communication range at times?

[ayuric]

meters then meters, because they are divided into half-wave-quarter-eight, but as you said, the figure is better is a fact.

[Al Asad]

I don’t know how it is now, but 5 years ago, during the time of military service in the BF coastal forces, the connection was worse than during the Battle of Kalka

[Grim Reaper]

Cq cq cq de ua9cbw ... on how it was a long time ago ......)))))

[Platonich]

QRZ QRZ de UA0AGN pse k

[avg-mgn]

Why is 21 century communication worse than 20 century? Masking machines in analogue and digital channels are good. But !!! If in the last century the determination of the position of the r / s took minutes - tens of minutes, today it is an order of magnitude less, and that’s bad. Conclusion - you need to switch to packet communication, yes, tell me - there is a delay in data transfer, but this is not a loss of a signalman !!! Next - where possible, use the optical range

[Valter1364]

Who is this minus all in a row from an ambush? Make a fool pray to God, so he will break his forehead.

[ayuric]

hike ...

[gg.na]

Someone has nothing to do! If only he showed himself, he would open his face !!! Sits in a tihar cons cons!

[Zomanus]

Communications in the army should always be enough.
New communications, I want to emphasize.
In order not to track, do not score with interference.

[Valter1364]

Naturally, we are against radio operators - self-taught, who clogged the whole broadcast with interference.

[Gunther]

Quote: VP

Even in "antiquity" the ZAS-equipment was invented. I myself used this at one time.
I doubt that she has become worse.

Then there was only one question, why, with such happiness, this "ancient" ZAS was not used in the Chechen company, when army radio stations were freely tapped by bandits and wedged into radio communications?