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Test flight of the Japanese stealth aircraft scheduled for February

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The first flight of the prototype Japanese stealth fighter ATD-X, developed by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd, will take place in February 2016, according to Look with reference to tass.




“During the tests, additional checks of the engine restarting system will be carried out in case of their sudden stop during the flight,” a source told.

According to him, "developers may request additional funding to complete the project, the timing of which has been repeatedly postponed."

Initially it was assumed that the fighter would make its first flight until the end of 2014, then it was moved to the spring of 2015, now to February of 2016.

According to the plan of the Defense Ministry of Japan, the new domestic fighter aircraft should replace the F-2 aircraft developed in collaboration with the American company Lockheed Martin. As part of the Japanese Air Force, these machines are located with 2000 g (the first flight is in 1995 g), in total, 98 units were built.
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  1. MIKHALYCH1
    MIKHALYCH1 28 December 2015 18: 17 New
    +1
    Yes, we were twirling all these “invisibles” on our radars ...
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 28 December 2015 18: 20 New
      -1
      The Japanese will not bother to produce two aircraft of the 5th generation, both their own and the Amer’s. Still, the yen is not a dollar, you just can’t get stuck.
      1. 0255
        0255 28 December 2015 18: 54 New
        +6
        Quote: Kil 31
        The Japanese will not bother to produce two aircraft of the 5th generation, both their own and the Amer’s. Still, the yen is not a dollar, you just can’t get stuck.

        Japan is a rich country with a developed industry, including aircraft manufacturing. Why can’t they?
        1. yushch
          yushch 28 December 2015 19: 05 New
          +6
          Quote: 0255
          Quote: Kil 31
          The Japanese will not bother to produce two aircraft of the 5th generation, both their own and the Amer’s. Still, the yen is not a dollar, you just can’t get stuck.

          Japan is a rich country with a developed industry, including aircraft manufacturing. Why can’t they?


          There is an opinion of competent specialists that the economic miracle of Japan just ensured the country's minimum expenditures on its defense, since after 2MV Japan had practically no serious armed forces until recently and, accordingly, serious expenses on them
          1. quote
            quote 28 December 2015 19: 28 New
            -9
            Quote: yushch
            There is an opinion of competent specialists that the economic miracle of Japan just ensured the country's minimum expenditures on its defense,

            Looks like a speech from a briefing from the Pale House. Psaki on vacation?
            1. corn
              corn 28 December 2015 19: 50 New
              +4
              Quote: devis
              Looks like a speech from a briefing from the Pale House.

              You are deeply mistaken. This is almost a literal explanation of the “Japanese miracle” in print publications and lectures in the 70s and early 80s in the USSR, when Panasonic cassette recorders, Sonya TVs, Japanese folding umbrellas, etc. appeared.
            2. quote
              quote 29 December 2015 21: 17 New
              0
              Quote: devis
              Quote: yushch
              There is an opinion of competent specialists that the economic miracle of Japan just ensured the country's minimum expenditures on its defense,

              Looks like a speech from a briefing from the Pale House. Psaki on vacation?

              The most expensive estimates! Since the economic miracle of Japan is based on financial injections (loans that have not been paid to this day) and donated technology! The second country, South Korea! And they will stand in a pose ("back" to the owner) for many, many years! Miracle !!! (it was necessary to clarify the question, so I'm right with Psaki)
          2. Tjeck
            Tjeck 28 December 2015 19: 28 New
            +2
            I think that the "competent specialists" are still wrong, I know for sure that the Japanese army spending is ahead of India, Germany and Britain. They spend in the region of 60 billion, and this is a huge amount, taking into account their dwarf territory. Let me remind you that the military budget of the Russian Federation with its open spaces in 2013 was 68 billion.
            1. yushch
              yushch 28 December 2015 21: 36 New
              +6
              Quote: Tjeck
              I think that the "competent specialists" are still wrong, I know for sure that the Japanese army spending is ahead of India, Germany and Britain. They spend in the region of 60 billion, and this is a huge amount, taking into account their dwarf territory. Let me remind you that the military budget of the Russian Federation with its open spaces in 2013 was 68 billion.


              I wrote about defense spending after WW2, and not about current spending. Japan did not invest billions in space exploration and the creation of nuclear weapons, and she had practically no army at that time. I dare say that this is a very significant reason for the economic breakthrough Japan in the second half of the twentieth century. And of course, this reason is not the only one, but it is one of the main.
              1. Tjeck
                Tjeck 30 December 2015 00: 17 New
                +1
                Well then it’s clear, I thought that they wrote in general, only this is a secondary reason for their economic boom. The paramount lies in the fact that they plowed like slaves in the 50 ~ 70s, then in the 80s how they felt the strength even tried to get out of US control but got overboard.

                Today I would not begin to withdraw the armed forces of Japan from the division of threats, although they have long since lost the formidable samurai mentality, but green papers on an industrial scale are still doing their job. Although they are more likely a threat to China than to the Russian Federation.
            2. Nikolay K
              Nikolay K 29 December 2015 00: 39 New
              +2
              About the dwarf territory. For your information, the area of ​​Japan exceeds the area of ​​Germany and 1,5 times the area of ​​Great Britain.
            3. Nikolay K
              Nikolay K 29 December 2015 00: 48 New
              0
              About the dwarf territory. For your information, the area of ​​Japan exceeds the area of ​​Germany and 1,5 times the area of ​​Great Britain.
          3. mav1971
            mav1971 28 December 2015 20: 26 New
            -3
            Quote: yushch


            There is an opinion of competent specialists that the economic miracle of Japan just ensured the country's minimum expenditures on its defense, since after 2MV Japan had practically no serious armed forces until recently and, accordingly, serious expenses on them


            Compare the fleet of Japan I am Pacific. And then look at competent specialists with different eyes.
            if you can.
            And look at the composition of the Air Force.
            1. yushch
              yushch 29 December 2015 00: 15 New
              +4
              Quote: mav1971
              Quote: yushch


              There is an opinion of competent specialists that the economic miracle of Japan just ensured the country's minimum expenditures on its defense, since after 2MV Japan had practically no serious armed forces until recently and, accordingly, serious expenses on them


              Compare the fleet of Japan I am Pacific. And then look at competent specialists with different eyes.
              if you can.
              And look at the composition of the Air Force.


              You didn’t carefully read my post to which you are referring. If you can carefully read the phrase “AFTER 2MB” with your own eyes. That is, Japan now has only a consequence, and the reason was indicated by me above.
          4. Shadowcat
            Shadowcat 28 December 2015 23: 55 New
            +2
            interesting idea. I never thought about this, because the budget of many countries, if not half, then a quarter, is definitely spent on the armed forces and their maintenance (science). And such "intelligent" (in the short period shish, and in the long term something shines) things like space are also not small ...
        2. quote
          quote 28 December 2015 19: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: 0255
          Japan is a rich country with a developed industry, including aircraft building. Why can’t they?

          Well kill me with aircraft building information!
          When was the last departure, of these products (of military significance)?
          1. 0255
            0255 28 December 2015 19: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: devis
            Quote: 0255
            Japan is a rich country with a developed industry, including aircraft building. Why can’t they?

            Well kill me with aircraft building information!
            When was the last departure, of these products (of military significance)?

            In the comment below, I wrote which fighters the Japanese make today.
        3. Shadowcat
          Shadowcat 28 December 2015 23: 51 New
          +2
          Quote: 0255
          Japan is a rich country with developed industry

          and one of the largest public debt (243,2% of GDP) and the budget deficit (−7,8% for 2013).
        4. The comment was deleted.
      2. KVIRTU
        KVIRTU 28 December 2015 19: 20 New
        +1
        And they have nowhere to go, light fighters will rivet themselves: they planned to change their F-15s (about 200 pcs) to F-22s - the American "partners" threw, refused to sell.
        F-35 ordered 42 pcs.
    2. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 28 December 2015 18: 20 New
      10
      Initially it was assumed that the fighter would make its first flight until the end of 2014, then it was moved to the spring of 2015, now to February of 2016.

      Indeed, the plane is some kind of invisible ... smile I hope we never see him again.
    3. seti
      seti 28 December 2015 18: 23 New
      +3
      Not so long ago I watched a program for the development of our radar detection and anti-aircraft systems. They very clearly explained what and how not to do it, and what materials and stealth technologies you don’t use, but you won’t become completely invisible from the radar. And our thought is ahead of the west and an order of magnitude. In Serbia, the "invisibility" has already been knocked down from an old system. If necessary, we can repeat this, but only in Syria. So the Japanese may not particularly boast - the benefit of stealth technology is clear, but it is not decisive.
      1. mav1971
        mav1971 28 December 2015 20: 29 New
        +5
        Quote: seti
        Not so long ago I watched a program for the development of our radar detection and anti-aircraft systems. They very clearly explained what and how not to do it, and what materials and stealth technologies you don’t use, but you won’t become completely invisible from the radar. And our thought is ahead of the west and an order of magnitude. In Serbia, the "invisibility" has already been knocked down from an old system. If necessary, we can repeat this, but only in Syria. So the Japanese may not particularly boast - the benefit of stealth technology is clear, but it is not decisive.


        It is one thing to see the Su-34 at a distance of 250 km.
        Another thing is to see the T-50 at a distance of 40 km.
        You will see them!
        This is a fact.
        But just that the Su-34 will be shot down in 2 minutes. And not a single rocket will leave him.
        And the T-50 will have time to release the entire ammunition and maybe even collapse. And maybe even before the discovery.

        So the difference is clear?
    4. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 28 December 2015 18: 25 New
      +2
      A powerful blow to the American military-industrial complex, since Japan is the main buyer of American military aircraft.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 28 December 2015 21: 40 New
        +4
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        Japan is the main buyer of American combat aircraft.
        Yah!?
        And here are the statistics: ordered F-35 England -138; Italy, Turkey, Australia - 100 each; Canada - 65; Norway - 56; Well, and finally - Japan - 42 units. And who is the main one? lol
    5. Tor5
      Tor5 28 December 2015 19: 13 New
      +2
      Well, well, you just start it first, and then restart it.
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    7. Koshak
      Koshak 28 December 2015 21: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
      Yes, we were twirling all these “invisibles” on our radars ...

      Maybe tryndet about some kind of "invisibility". The Yugoslavs, who shot down the newest, invisible, extremely unsurpassed Lockheed F-117 “Night Hawk” of the old Soviet S-125, dispelled the myth about this. And now where are these flying parcels flying pindocami?
  2. alekc73
    alekc73 28 December 2015 18: 20 New
    +4
    Serious bid: Raise their aircraft industry for the first time since World War II. Samurai do not want to depend on the United States in the field of military aviation.
  3. rol19
    rol19 28 December 2015 18: 21 New
    -16
    Well? Did everyone fart?
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 28 December 2015 18: 32 New
      +6
      Quote: rol19
      Well? Did everyone fart?

      And you are clearly poking ..))))) laughing
    2. quote
      quote 28 December 2015 19: 36 New
      +4
      Quote: rol19
      Well? Did everyone fart?

      Not all farted, see the rating?
    3. RUSS
      RUSS 28 December 2015 19: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: rol19
      Well? Did everyone fart?

      Igor, today registered and want to stand out somehow? Decided to distinguish yourself by trolling?
    4. Dym71
      Dym71 28 December 2015 21: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: rol19
      Well? Did everyone fart?


      Nah, let them fart on Pearl Harbor, at the Japs there are places "well-worn" tongue
  4. Alex_Rarog
    Alex_Rarog 28 December 2015 18: 21 New
    +1
    It would be interesting to see it more closely ... I think in Nemioni took into account all the shortcomings of competitors ...
    1. nfoma80
      nfoma80 28 December 2015 18: 46 New
      0
      And in my F-16 some kind of something very similar
      1. Roman 57 rus
        Roman 57 rus 29 December 2015 01: 56 New
        +1
        Rather, the F-18, the same scheme, only the contours are somewhat angular ..
  5. B_KypTke
    B_KypTke 28 December 2015 18: 24 New
    +1
    A nice bird, although the aircraft school does not tolerate 30 summer breaks.
    Let's see how it flies. In the picture, a binding lamp + to noticeability as be.
    1. 0255
      0255 28 December 2015 18: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: B_KypTke
      A nice bird, although the aircraft school does not tolerate 30 summer breaks.

      The Japanese assemble an F-15 license, and produce a joint F-2 fighter with the Americans. They have achievements in the aircraft industry, do not hope that the Japanese will not be able to do anything
  6. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 28 December 2015 18: 25 New
    +2
    Now the Chinese will say that the Japanese have copied their plane from the Chinese, and will call the Japanese crooks and thieves.
  7. rol19
    rol19 28 December 2015 18: 26 New
    0
    Yes, it would be interesting to have a little more information ... it looks like the unit is still
  8. APASUS
    APASUS 28 December 2015 18: 26 New
    +1
    It seems that everything went to the release of the 5th generation aircraft, and here the news about the invisibility, is it the same for the Japanese?
    1. KVIRTU
      KVIRTU 28 December 2015 19: 11 New
      +4
      The Japanese themselves do not consider him invisible, refer to the 5th generation:
      "ATD-X (dubbed" Sinxing, which means "soul"), which will become the prototype of the future stealth fighter "Stealth" Japanese production.
      Sinsin is a continuation of the F-2 fighter and will be the prototype on the way to creating the sixth-generation F-3 fighter. "
      Features: “30% of the aircraft’s materials are hydrocarbon fiber reinforced plastic (CFRP).” (Understood, facilitates, reduces visibility)
      According to performance characteristics: Sinsin length - 14,2 meters, wingspan - 9,1 meters, height - 4,5 meters, it is designed for one pilot. Engines of the XF5-1 model equipped with afterburner combustion chamber with a maximum thrust of five tons each, giving 10 tons in total. Three blades are installed on the nozzles of the engines to change the thrust vector.
      For comparison, the MiG-29:
      Length: 17,32 m
      Wingspan: 11,36 m
      Height: 4,73 m
      Engines: 2 × RD-33
      Thrust max: 2 × 5040 kgf
      Those. ATD-X has a higher thrust ratio.
      (Just do not compare it with PAK FA laughing
      Length: 19,7 m
      Wingspan: 14 m
      Height: 4,8 m
      “AL-41F1”: 2 × 8800 (about 10900 for “Type 30”) kgf)
      1. chebman
        chebman 29 December 2015 14: 56 New
        0
        Let's compare the Japanese with I-16. Also a light fighter, also from a different era.
  9. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 28 December 2015 18: 29 New
    -3
    Is the Japanese aircraft invisible? Do not make people laugh! Even in Yugoslavia, they shot down the American invisibility!
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 28 December 2015 18: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      Is the Japanese aircraft invisible? Do not make people laugh! Even in Yugoslavia, they shot down the American invisibility!

      They shot down from the old Soviet air defense system, and I don’t remember exactly, but shot down because something was connected with the "waves", the Stealth was imprisoned under the new air defense, and there the radar was different, so the "old Soviet" air defense system saw the Stealth and finished it.
      1. rol19
        rol19 28 December 2015 18: 54 New
        -4
        I don’t know that I don’t know when but the couple were shot down there ....
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 28 December 2015 19: 13 New
          0
          Quote: rol19
          I don’t know that I don’t know when but the couple were shot down there ....

          Igor, what are you talking about?
    2. rol19
      rol19 28 December 2015 19: 04 New
      -9
      Moron do you know what you write Izv
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 28 December 2015 19: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: rol19
        Moron do you know what you write Izv

        Catch the diving-March 27, 1999 - F-117A (serial number 82-0806), Lieutenant Colonel Dale Zelko (Dale Zelko). The plane was shot down near the village of Budzhanovtsi during the NATO military operation against Yugoslavia. The pilot safely ejected and was evacuated by a search and rescue team.
        According to the Serbian version, the F-117 was shot down by the S-125 anti-aircraft missile system (rocket 5V27D manufactured by the XX Party Congress plant (now AVITEK) 1976 [14]) of the 3rd battery of the 250th Air Defense Brigade (battery commander Zoltan Dani ) The target was hit by two missiles (the first tore off the wing, and the second hit the plane itself), 17 seconds after the command “fire”.
        There were versions about the participation of the Kub air defense system or the MiG-29 and MiG-21 fighters: according to some sources (in particular, the Russian author Vladimir Ilyin and the Argentinean Diego Zampini), the F-117 was shot down by a MiG-29 fighter piloted by Colonel Gvozden Dukich (at the same time, the Serbian newspaper Politika reports that Gvozden Đukić is a combat alias used by Zoltan Dani during the war. Captain Ken Dvili is sometimes mistakenly indicated by the pilot as he flew on this machine in the USA and on its fuselage his name was written.

        April 30, 1999 - F-117A was damaged, possibly the S-125 anti-aircraft missile system
        1. KVIRTU
          KVIRTU 28 December 2015 21: 50 New
          +2
          "..Another factor that predetermined the success of the operation was the tactics of NATO military leaders. They sent the F-117 without cover and did not change flight routes. The downed plane flew along this route for the fourth time in a row, and this allowed the Serbian anti-aircraft gunners to prepare well for the" hunt "
          Immediately after the alliance lost this plane, the command took measures to prevent such situations. F-117s no longer flew alone - they were accompanied by fighters armed with HARM missiles (guided by a radar signal). Aircraft began to change flight routes, and the Serbs could no longer ambush them ... "
    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 28 December 2015 22: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      Is the Japanese aircraft invisible?

      Did you doubt it !?
      In vain ... here is the photo: bully
  10. queen
    queen 28 December 2015 18: 30 New
    0
    Maybe I don’t understand something, where they will shove the radar
    1. KVIRTU
      KVIRTU 28 December 2015 22: 39 New
      +1
      There is a locator, I will correct the translator:
      "The Japanese radar operates in the C and Ku bands (C - band (3.5 - 4.2 GHz) and Ku band (10.7 - 12.75 GHz)), which are used today in AN / APG-81 (F-35). This bandwidth increases the complexity of detecting a radar provides protection against interference, and also allows it to suppress another radar with a similar range. laughing also intends to combine search and tracking, electromagnetic countermeasures (suppression, ECM), electronic sensory measures (I do not know, ESM) and communication functions (communication, or something).

      On the Su-35, for comparison, Irbis-E: X-band from 8 to 12 GHz (wavelengths from 3,75 to 2,5 cm).
      Obviously, in the Japs, the range will be wider, respectively, and there are more possibilities for detuning from interference.
  11. NIKNN
    NIKNN 28 December 2015 18: 30 New
    +3
    From this angle it is more understandable, but it seemed F18.
    Separate hints of stealth. Maybe the materials are special? request
    1. NIKNN
      NIKNN 28 December 2015 18: 34 New
      +4
      So even more visible. but not very inconspicuous geometry. request
  12. Siberian
    Siberian 28 December 2015 18: 31 New
    +3
    Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
    Yes, we were twirling all these “invisibles” on our radars ...

    Your optimism pleases! But take everything ... seriously .. with joy. After all, their technology is not made with a finger, but with brains which-that.
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 28 December 2015 18: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: Siberian
      Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
      Yes, we were twirling all these “invisibles” on our radars ...

      Your optimism pleases! But take everything ... seriously .. with joy. After all, their technology is not made with a finger, but with brains which-that.

      Yes, I understand everything and yet ... We have something to answer! And the Japanese know it perfectly, otherwise they would have landed in the Kuril Islands with the United States ... Is that so?
  13. rol19
    rol19 28 December 2015 18: 32 New
    +4
    What did the military review turn into? Complete srach, all the specialists have already left, there were only MARSHALS themselves putting pluses for each other and probably they are getting bogged down from this?
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 28 December 2015 18: 40 New
      +2
      Quote: rol19
      What did the military review turn into? Complete srach, all the specialists have already left, there were only MARSHALS themselves putting pluses for each other and probably they are getting bogged down from this?

      Well, here's a plus ... Again, you and people like you about the pros ..? The site is large and there is a forum, there are battles going on, but here the news is simple! hi
      1. rol19
        rol19 28 December 2015 18: 48 New
        -1
        Yes, Mikhalych’s pluses are unnecessary for me, I’ve been on this site for a long time, and they banned me and all that.
        1. MIKHALYCH1
          MIKHALYCH1 28 December 2015 19: 05 New
          +1
          Quote: rol19
          Yes, Mikhalych’s pluses are unnecessary for me, I’ve been on this site for a long time, and they banned me and all that.

          This site is news first and foremost .. And the military-technical sections are here separately .. I look at the respected menu! I read it cleanly and do not get into a conversation ...
      2. rol19
        rol19 28 December 2015 19: 00 New
        -9
        Oo iz and I didn’t roll ... HAVE FIRSTLY all the same?
        1. MIKHALYCH1
          MIKHALYCH1 28 December 2015 19: 08 New
          +4
          Quote: rol19
          Oo iz and I didn’t roll ... HAVE FIRSTLY all the same?

          This is what you need in classmates ..)))) wassat
          1. Barakuda
            Barakuda 28 December 2015 19: 31 New
            +4
            It’s possible on the "Censor", there is love bully
  14. gukoyan
    gukoyan 28 December 2015 18: 33 New
    0
    I do not think that this is a serious car ...
  15. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 28 December 2015 18: 36 New
    +2
    It is good that VAZ does not make airplanes with us lol
    1. Dilshat
      Dilshat 28 December 2015 18: 56 New
      +2
      It’s good that the cows don’t fly. smile
  16. Altona
    Altona 28 December 2015 19: 08 New
    +3
    The plane is somehow small in the photo and in a cheerful coloring.
  17. Barakuda
    Barakuda 28 December 2015 19: 17 New
    +1
    Well, if you could, together with Lockheed Martin in 2000, launch this "miracle" in a series. Vague doubts gnaw me that the school of fighter engineering has grown .. and my brains have increased. After such a whatnot, the 70s swung right away to the 5th generation.
    F-2
  18. WHEEL
    WHEEL 28 December 2015 19: 32 New
    -2
    Quote: Tjeck
    I think that the `` competent specialists '' are still wrong, but I know for sure that Japanese army spending is ahead of India, Germany and Britain. They spend in the region of 60 billion, and this is a huge amount, taking into account their dwarf territory. Let me remind you that the military budget of the Russian Federation with its open spaces in 2013 was 68 billion.

    the Russian military budget, moreover, at least 50% the generals will spend on dachas laughing
  19. RUSIVAN
    RUSIVAN 28 December 2015 19: 36 New
    +2
    My personal opinion is that the plane seems very small (rather, like a training one), I had a question with this, but where will the military filling be located ?! Inside the aircraft, then a very small amount will enter there, and if on suspensions, it very much loses in this "invisibility", as everything seems to be far from the real combat model ... rather, in Russia, the C 500 and then all these developments are in "trash"
  20. classik46
    classik46 28 December 2015 19: 43 New
    +1
    Figs knows him. The Navy is still on the level. They can defend and counterattack.
    Now they are exploring the possibility of a quick transfer of troops.
  21. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 28 December 2015 20: 09 New
    +1
    The fighter may become the most commercially successful, because It is in dimension F 16. Accordingly, the price will be acceptable, maneuverability will be much better than that of 4th generation machines and should not be bad with electronics. The only negative is that there is American technology, and this will slow down exports!
  22. Prisoner
    Prisoner 28 December 2015 20: 15 New
    +2
    Our guys will have to squint very hard so as not to see the "invisibility". Japs are best off on February 24th. There is a chance. laughing
  23. lilian
    lilian 28 December 2015 21: 04 New
    +2
    I’m watching this news, and the thought of the Third World creeps into my head. Again the same as before the First. Tense, in a hurry, everyone is arming themselves. As if preparing for a new showdown.
    And the point is not that the military-themed site is really brewing in the world.
  24. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 28 December 2015 22: 44 New
    0
    The plane was shot down in Yugoslavia for the reason that there was visual contact, the aircraft operator,
  25. AlexG83
    AlexG83 29 December 2015 07: 17 New
    0
    Something he is "stubborn" in appearance.