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Russia simply does not know that Turkey treats it well

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Looking through the Turkish media in Russian, more and more often you come across paradoxical articles. If you do not know the background of the conflict, it seems that this is Russia for no reason, out of love with Turkey. A white and fluffy Turkey is doing everything to sensitize the stupid northern neighbor.


It is also interesting that for some reason the Turks “forgot” the downed aircraft. Lost the executed commander. Well, there was nothing. Even the loss of several of their special forces groups in the search for the co-pilot was forgotten. Well, there was nothing. All fake.

Moreover, today government media are actively promoting the version that it was Russia that went to the confrontation of relations. It is Russia that is to blame for the fact that the bomber was shot down. The Turks just did their job. We defended our skies from possible attacks.

In this respect, the last speech of the Turkish Prime Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu is very significant. He made this statement during a visit to the Russian cultural center in Antalya. The place for such statements.

"After the start of the diplomatic crisis, Turkey did not take any negative steps towards Russia."

"For us, Russia is important. It is our very important partner, and therefore we are patiently waiting for and not taking action."

Like this. Again, Turkey just sleeps and sees when the Russians stop pumping up the situation. Only here it is somehow not entirely clear. When does the minister speak the truth? Yes, and other leaders of the country, too. Of course the level is not the same, but you have to remind.

When the Turks refused to apologize for the downed aircraft, it was Russia who waited a long time. Somehow I didn’t really believe in the stupidity of the Turkish president. It was not particularly believed that the Turks would break the wonderful relations that had developed over many years. Not wait.

And then they got what they were supposed to get. This refers to sanctions from Russia. Considered, I must say, the sanctions. And not only economically, but also politically thought out.

What was the answer of the same Cavusoglu? Sorry? No, even in those realities, the minister began to teach Russia.

"We consider it expedient in the interests of our countries and their future to revise these measures, as well as to immediately cancel them. Otherwise, these economic measures will affect the economies of both countries and will have negative consequences for the Russian people no less than for the Turkish."

If we reject diplomacy, then such a statement should be understood as follows: the Russians should understand that it will be harder for them from these sanctions. We are Europeans. We will be supported. Help us. A sort of second Ukraine. Country, standing on the front line. True, they create this front line themselves. Russia is not interested in this war.

Many then talked about the straits. Turkey will close our fleet in the Black Sea and then the "Syrian" group will remain without supplies. Moreover, even then it was already known about the reaction of some European countries to close the airspace for Russian aircraft.

Many were surprised by Russia's calm response to such statements. Not even calm, but some kind of lazy. None, however significant a politician, expressed concerns on this issue. And why?

Yes, everything is very simple. Close to the straits can not only Turkey, but also Russia. Exactly. Our fleet allows you to do this. And not only Turkey but also NATO cannot oppose something to such a step. Yes, this is a confrontation. Yes, it will be cruel. But ... quite possible.

The Turks understood this. The Foreign Minister immediately announced the position of his government. Simply put, he closed the issue of closing the straits.

"We consider it important that all interested parties avoid attempts to undermine or use the existing Montreux regime for their own purposes."

But even there was a hidden threat. We will be supported. We need the EU, and you do not. We need NATO, and you are potential adversaries.

"Our relations with the EU are developing in the context of their dynamics, regardless of current political events."

And what is Russia? Never mind. Not scared. Moreover, very intelligently responded to the provocations of the Turks. Our ship commanders simply flawlessly "put in place" brazen Turkish "fishermen."

So what? Again the threat towards Russia. And again performed by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Turkey.

"It was just our fishing boat, I think the reaction of the Russian ship was excessive."
"Russia and Turkey, of course, must restore the trusting relationship that we have always had, but there is a limit to our patience," the minister said. According to him, Russia has already put itself in a foolish position, saying that Ankara shot down a Russian plane trying to protect the oil supplied by the Islamic State (ISIL).

What happened? The insight of the government and the president of Turkey? Or someone from the Europeans hinted to the Turks that it was time to finish this informational picks? Or maybe the "Peace Prize Laureate" from across the ocean demanded a halt?

Nonsense. Everything is much simpler. So much easier that without even knowing history conflict, you can understand everything. Today, Cavusoglu "cares" about the relations of peoples among themselves.

"Unfortunately, negative steps have been taken in Russia towards some of our citizens. I hope that our Russian friends will reconsider the actions taken."

Only the casket just opened. Even the "key" is not needed. The thing is that the previous month for economic relations between Russia and Turkey was more at the state or corporate level. Simply put, sanctions operated for those who are under government control. For large businesses, for pro-government organizations.

But everything confuses the upcoming New Year. More precisely, the New Year holidays, which traditionally many Russians spent on the shores of the Turkish resorts. And what is Russian tourism and who is a Russian tourist, the Turks have studied perfectly over the past decades. And preparing for the arrival of these "spender". And there are no tourists ...

In a country where a huge stratum of the population is fed by tourists, this situation will cause righteous anger by the policies of the government and the president. This means that the situation in Turkey itself will heat up exponentially. The financial losses of entrepreneurs and corporations are already beginning to stir up Turkish society.

There is an opinion that in the near future the situation may move into the active phase. You can expect street riots. Activization of nationalist and religious extremists. And even attempted coup. In a country like Turkey, it is quite real.

Under these conditions, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Turkey will do everything to achieve the abolition of Russian sanctions. And it is possible, although it’s impossible to be confident in this until the end, we will hear the Turkish President’s speech with an apology for the downed bomber.

But whether the Kremlin will go for the lifting of sanctions is a big question. The East, of course, is a delicate matter. But Russia is not easy. We have half the territory east. So the "subtlety" is not so easy to take. And by "obstinacy" the Russians will not yield to anyone. Even the Turkish president.
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  1. parusnik
    parusnik 30 December 2015 06: 38 New
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    But whether the Kremlin will abolish sanctions is a big question. ... In my opinion, it’s unlikely ... But they found a substitute for Turkey ... Iran ... and it’s quite worthy .. and most importantly, it’s not a NATO member, the corkscrew is not stuck in the back from the corner .. if it is warned ..
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 30 December 2015 07: 24 New
      +5
      Quote: parusnik
      ... if stuck then they will warn ..

      Are you sure???
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 30 December 2015 09: 14 New
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        There is a version ... that ... the murder of A.S. Griboedov by Persian Muslim fanatics was agreed with the tsarist government, this is just a version .. But at the same time, the Shah generously paid for the death of Vazir-Mukhtar, as the Persians respectfully called Alexander Sergeyevich Griboedov. Despite conflicts and sometimes tense relations, relations between Russia and Iran for a long time were fairly even and friendly .. Especially Iran was not dirty ... unlike Turkey .. In addition, Turkey and Iran are eternal enemies ... And enemy of my enemy ..
        1. -Traveller-
          -Traveller- 30 December 2015 12: 11 New
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          and what is the relationship between the Qajar state and the current Iran? Why are you talking about Griboedov?
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        3. Weyland
          Weyland 30 December 2015 14: 57 New
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          Quote: parusnik
          There is a version ... that ... the murder of A.S. Griboedov by Persian Muslim fanatics was agreed with the tsarist government, this is just a version .. But at the same time, the Shah generously paid for the death of Wazir-Mukhtar, as the Persians respectfully called Alexander Sergeyevich Griboedov


          Bullshit - especially about the generous pay! On the contrary, the Shah diamond, etc. - this major concession from Russia, who agreed to take part of the indemnity instead of gold with bruliks (they are uncomfortable, much less liquid - if you try to sell a large batch, you will bring down the market).
          Just what could we really do? Seek extradition? So the leaders, as now, were overseas - in Naglia! Declare war? So we just won against them! Take indemnity? So they still could not pay the old! You could, of course, squeeze out more - and provoke a revolution in Iran, which the tsar in no way wanted for reasons of principle!
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            1. nemets
              nemets 30 December 2015 14: 55 New
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              he was a merchant, so in order to trade successfully he had to know languages, otherwise "nah ***".
          2. Weyland
            Weyland 30 December 2015 14: 59 New
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            Quote: V.ic
            what language did the Tver merchant Afaeasiy Nikitin leave for history


            On the so-called "lingua franca" (surzhik) Volga merchants. So what?
        2. nemets
          nemets 30 December 2015 14: 52 New
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          for any Tatars threw cons. but I didn’t get into the background. I have nothing against the Tatars, I have four Tatars friends, and everything is against Turkey, the other thing is that there are radical Islamists in Tatarstan, and it’s far from the fact that they will be idle, especially if they are tied with business related to the Turks. if you do not believe I can bring some data, but anyone who is not lazy can find them.
          1. Starley from the south
            Starley from the south 31 December 2015 20: 19 New
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            Quote: nemets
            if you do not believe, I can bring some data, but anyone who is not lazy can find it

            Why bring, who needs one and so knows. It’s a sin to concede that in some regions Turkish NGOs flourish (prospered?). Naturally, many of them work for the Turkish special services, here and do not go to a fortuneteller.
      3. Aqela
        Aqela 2 January 2016 07: 54 New
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        "East is a delicate matter!" request
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 30 December 2015 07: 57 New
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      Turkey is doomed to civil war. They will hiccup both Crimea and Ukraine, and the downed Russian bomber.
      1. krot
        krot 30 December 2015 08: 43 New
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        They must answer for Byzantium! )
        1. fennekRUS
          fennekRUS 30 December 2015 10: 33 New
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          Yes Yes. Green referendum for the return of Constantinople to its historical homeland laughing A joke of humor, if that
          1. Starley from the south
            Starley from the south 31 December 2015 20: 31 New
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            In Figs we have Constantinople, there are many Turks living there, they will have to be expelled or, God forbid, kill. And this smells of genocide. This is not our method. Only the Anglo-Saxons are capable of this.
        2. V.ic
          V.ic 30 December 2015 10: 59 New
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          Quote: krot
          They must answer for Byzantium!

          First let the Western Geyropa answer for 1204!
        3. Imperialkolorad
          Imperialkolorad 30 December 2015 12: 04 New
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          Quote: krot
          They must answer for Byzantium! )

          #Constantinople.
          1. Fast_mutant
            Fast_mutant 31 December 2015 15: 17 New
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            # Tsargrad)) Simple and tasteful. Not? )))
            1. Imperialkolorad
              Imperialkolorad 3 January 2016 10: 12 New
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              Quote: Fast_mutant
              # Tsargrad)) Simple and tasteful. Not? )))

              Nothing too. I like.
      2. nemets
        nemets 30 December 2015 09: 54 New
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        as well as the genocide of Armenians and Greeks
      3. Kindzadza
        Kindzadza 31 December 2015 15: 02 New
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        + And even on the border with the Crimea, the Tatar-Turkish battalion is being formed. More precisely, the Tatar with the support of the Turks. Although all are smeared with honey alone.
        1. Starley from the south
          Starley from the south 31 December 2015 20: 41 New
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          Quote: Kindzadza
          on the border with Crimea, the Tatar-Turkish battalion form

          In my humble opinion, if this battalion arranges something in the Crimea, we will have a great opportunity to destroy them.
      4. Starley from the south
        Starley from the south 31 December 2015 20: 22 New
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        Quote: siberalt
        Turkey is doomed to civil war

        ... especially if we support the Kurds, and in Turkey itself too.
    3. SANAY
      SANAY 30 December 2015 08: 27 New
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      Great article! Turkey stepped on the Bulgarian-Baltic rake. Tomato flag in their hands! And a tourist drum around the neck! All of their clique suddenly turned into political corpses for their constituents.
    4. Blondy
      Blondy 30 December 2015 09: 04 New
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      Iran is an Islamic, not secular, republic. And the cockroaches there are very specific. Recall how the Turkish stream and the Turks were pleased. And what is the result. Something like that might happen to Iran, although the reasons and reasons may be completely different.
      Do not repeat Soviet mistakes - look for and see friends everywhere. In general, two allies - and no more.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 30 December 2015 09: 48 New
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        That, then, is it that is not secular. There is a rigid internal hierarchy in which the willfulness of an official is practically impossible. There is a Spiritual leader who can besiege any presumptuous politician within the country. There are moral principles that, to some extent, stabilize relations between equal partners.
        Well, from history: “According to written sources, the sending of ambassadors can be traced from the time of Kievan Rus. In particular, it should be noted the attempts of the Russian state and Iran during the XVI-XVII centuries to conclude an alliance against Turkey, as well as the Persian campaign of Peter I (1722), committed to helping the ruling dynasty in Iran cope with internal rebellions.The beginning of the 19th century was characterized by aggravation in Russian-Iranian relations. Not the last role was played by the politics of Great Britain and France. The deterioration of relations resulted in two Russian-Iranian wars 1804-1813 and 1826-1828. Subsequently, however, was relatively short period allied relations of the two states when Iran, with its two campaigns on Herat (1838 and 1856 gg.)? distracted the attention of Great Britain from moving to Central Asia, where Russia was gradually beginning to assert its influence. After the October Revolution, 1917 in Russia, which contributed, to a certain extent, to the liberation of Iran from imperialist oppression.
        According to the Soviet-Iranian equal treaty of 26 on February 1921, Soviet Russia renounced all property belonging to tsarist Russia in Iran. At the same time, the 6 article of the treaty provided for the possibility of Soviet troops entering Iran to prevent Iran from being used by other states as a military base for speaking out against Russia. "
        So, such a relationship between the two countries. Compare what happened to Turkey’s other neighbor? Two big differences. So, in my opinion, if our people will behave with the Persians without imperial ways, a long and mutually beneficial alliance may form. Indeed, Iran, it’s just not going to go over to the USA under the current government in the country. hi
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 30 December 2015 11: 02 New
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          Quote: avva2012
          Well, from history:

          Do not forget that the Persians = the same ariasTsy, for Persia is Iran, and the rest of Turan ...
          1. Weyland
            Weyland 30 December 2015 15: 02 New
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            Quote: V.ic
            Iran, and the rest of Turan ...


            Touren is not all the others, but roundki (Türks); google "Turan lowland" - to this day the official term.
            1. sleeping sayan
              sleeping sayan 30 December 2015 16: 06 New
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              You won’t believe it, but Turan is in Russia!
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        2. -Traveller-
          -Traveller- 30 December 2015 12: 22 New
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          Quote: avva2012
          Well, from history:

          rare nonsense. What are the ambassadors of Kievan Rus in Iran? what is meant by Iran - caliphate, Ghazni sultanate, Seljuk, m. Khorezm?
          the Persian campaign of Peter the Great 1 the usual marauding enterprise - the collapse of the Safavid dynasty and the invasion of the Afghans, as a result of the temporary collapse of the state, neighbors - Turkey and Russia at this moment decided to profit from carrion. and then the nadir came and everyone went away.
          and what you call the Russian-Iranian wars are the Russian-Kajar wars. all the same Kyzylbashi Turks, as with the Sefivids and nadir, the Persians, as before, weave carpets and pick peaches.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 30 December 2015 12: 51 New
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            rare delirium
            Dear sir, choose expressions. If you're so smart, teach history at the university. And e-brains to students. On this site, people communicate, share information. If you know better, correct, drop the link, give an argument. And then they can, everyone can. In short watch the broom, be so kind.
            1. -Traveller-
              -Traveller- 30 December 2015 13: 52 New
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              do not be offended, nothing personal, it’s just blatantly egregious misconceptions.
              let the teachers teach, I work in a different field.
              I’ll advise you to make at least a little study of the issue before making forecasts or making conclusions. I’m far from military equipment, while I read the relevant articles here on the site, but I can’t comment, because full layman in this.
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 30 December 2015 14: 17 New
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                I’m not offended. The fact is that there is a lot of information, not every professional can figure it out. Especially in history. In my commentary, the historical reference only sets off the main idea. We need to cooperate with Iran. We had fewer contradictions with this state than with Turkey. And most importantly, less spilled blood. Which, as you know, is not found. The same treaties with the USSR. With Iran on mutually beneficial terms, but with Turkey, no. Territory, we lost.
                1. genisis
                  genisis 30 December 2015 14: 28 New
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                  Moreover, if you may, the Persians are sedentary, in contrast, for example, from the nomadic Turks.
                  The settled Slavic farmers are civilizationally one with the settled Persians, and they will never coincide with the nomadic Turks, in view of the absolute difference in worldviews that directly follows from the methods of managing that have not changed for a considerable number of years.
                  1. -Traveller-
                    -Traveller- 30 December 2015 15: 26 New
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                    Turks (except for yuriks) have not been wandering for many centuries, so what does the opposition between the farmer vs. cattle breeder?
                    and indeed some worldviews - all this is demagogy. there is a struggle for spheres of influence, resources, markets, and ultimately for money.
            2. Starley from the south
              Starley from the south 31 December 2015 20: 50 New
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              But the truth is, with Iran, with those who lived and ruled in what is now Iran, we fought extremely rarely. And because of their bitterness, they cannot be compared with the Russian-Turkish wars. And unlike Turkey, Iran seeks, to the best of its ability, to maintain good relations with its neighbors. Iran, as far as I know, did not organize genocide with any weaker people. So Iran is a much more reliable partner than Turkey - this is the story.
          2. nemets
            nemets 30 December 2015 15: 00 New
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            you are a Tatar or an Uzbek - 100%
            1. sergey100174
              sergey100174 31 December 2015 10: 13 New
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              You are German, what's next?
              My minus.
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        4. nemets
          nemets 30 December 2015 14: 59 New
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          I think after you have so intelligibly explained the story, even stubborn "liberalists" will understand that we have everything seriously and for a long time.
      2. guzik007
        guzik007 30 December 2015 10: 25 New
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        Iran is an Islamic, not secular, republic. And the cockroaches there are very specific.
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        A smart woman is such a rarity these days ...
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 30 December 2015 11: 04 New
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          Quote: guzik007
          A smart woman is such a rarity these days ..

          Tried to clarify their "passions" about "?"
          1. guzik007
            guzik007 30 December 2015 12: 12 New
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            Tried to clarify their "passions" about "?"
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            This is voluntarism!
    5. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 30 December 2015 10: 59 New
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      In fact, in the economic plan, it is problematic to replace, in view of the technical side of the issue, only the production of auto parts.

      Everything else, everything from fruits and vegetables to light industry, everything can be replaced without problems with Iranian, Egyptian, and Chinese in the end.

      As for agricultural products, Turkish goods have never been cheaper or better than the same Egyptian, Iranian or Central Asian ones. It’s just that the agricultural market is completely corrupt, and the Turks simply turned out to be faster than the others and timely adhered to the issue of “working” with the relevant services and officials.

      PS Everything concerning politics and Eastern politics especially - here the words mean absolutely nothing. Only actions mean. It has always been like this - if a company of machine gunners stands behind you, or even better, a naval and air force grouping, then they will listen to your words. And if not, they will be attentive, polite, smile, and then they will stick a knife in your back, as happened with the Su-24. Lawrence of Arabia also said: an Arab cannot be bought; he can only be rented.

      A Turk and even more so ...
      1. genisis
        genisis 30 December 2015 13: 00 New
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        A Turk and even more so ...


        No wonder the Turkish proverb says "A hand that you can’t chop off, a kiss, and bring it to your forehead"
        1. nemets
          nemets 30 December 2015 15: 03 New
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          and how many sayings about Turks and Tatars - and you will agree not all are good. Although not all Tatars are like that, but like Turks, but the proverb is a proverb - the wisdom of the ancestors.
          1. Butchcassidy
            Butchcassidy 31 December 2015 08: 13 New
            +2
            Tatars have been living in Russia for many centuries and therefore have long been modified. Perhaps the Tatars are the most civilized and cultural of the Turkic peoples.
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    7. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 30 December 2015 13: 10 New
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      The result is on the face, in Russia the dollar has grown and in Turkey it was as it is!
      1. genisis
        genisis 30 December 2015 13: 29 New
        +7
        Turkish Lira TRY to USD

        01/05/2014 2,0971 TYR for 1 USD
        01/09/2015 3.0257 TYR for 1 USD

        Total for 1,5 years, the lira fell against the dollar by 44%

        Do you still think you have something to brag about?
        Well, yes, not 100%, like the ruble, you say, but you will be absolutely wrong.
        With regard to Turkey, sanctions have only been introduced, and then only the Russian Federation, the flow of tourists has only been interrupted.
        We are only dreaming to see the Turkish economic miracle in 2016.
        Especially in light of your current oriental events.
        And then after all, soon you will measure the lira to the Kurdish dinar)))))
        1. genisis
          genisis 30 December 2015 14: 37 New
          +3
          If we take the direct ruble exchange rate to the Turkish lira, then it’s even more interesting:

          03/02/2015 for 1 Turkish lira give 28,7274 rubles.
          30/12/2015 for 1 Turkish lira give 25,0758 rubles.

          That is, in 2015, the Turkish lira fell by almost 15% against the ruble

          The result is on the face, in Russia the dollar has grown and in Turkey it was as it is!


          You know, in Turkey, in my opinion, since the 16th century, as it was, it is worth it, not only with the dollar)))
          1. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 30 December 2015 16: 15 New
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            The Turkish economy is much more open and integrated into the world than the Russian one - the share of final investment products (machinery, equipment, vehicles) and intermediate consumption products is almost 70%. Therefore, even a complete and immediate ban on the import of all Turkish goods into Russia will not be a disaster for the Turkish economy - only in three product groups (shoes, leather and furs, vegetables and fruits) the share of the Russian market exceeds 10% (12 – 15%); however, in absolute volumes, each of these positions slightly exceeds $ 1 billion. It is clear that for some Turkish companies closing the Russian market will be very painful, but there can be no talk of any global catastrophe.

            The second common myth about the dependence of the Turkish economy on Russia is that the Turkish tourism industry rests on Russian tourists. The fact that Turkey has become a habitual resort for many Russians is true. According to the Federal Tourism Agency, in 2014, 4,5 million Russians visited this country (this is according to Turkish statistics, which, I note, amazed me with its excellent quality; it would be nice for Rosstat and other departments to learn), or less than 13% of the total number of people who came to Turkey tourists (33,5 million people).
            1. 72jora72
              72jora72 1 January 2016 05: 54 New
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              Quote: ayyildiz
              The Turkish economy is much more open and integrated into the world than the Russian one - the share of final investment products (machinery, equipment, vehicles) and intermediate consumption products is almost 70%. Therefore, even a complete and immediate ban on the import of all Turkish goods into Russia will not be a disaster for the Turkish economy - only in three product groups (shoes, leather and furs, vegetables and fruits) the share of the Russian market exceeds 10% (12 – 15%); however, in absolute volumes, each of these positions slightly exceeds $ 1 billion. It is clear that for some Turkish companies closing the Russian market will be very painful, but there can be no talk of any global catastrophe.

              The second common myth about the dependence of the Turkish economy on Russia is that the Turkish tourism industry rests on Russian tourists. The fact that Turkey has become a habitual resort for many Russians is true. According to the Federal Tourism Agency, in 2014, 4,5 million Russians visited this country (this is according to Turkish statistics, which, I note, amazed me with its excellent quality; it would be nice for Rosstat and other departments to learn), or less than 13% of the total number of people who came to Turkey tourists (33,5 million people).
              Well, since they have everything so excellent, chocolate, why did they run like cockroaches in a hot pan? Ukraine, too, is stubbornly breaking ties with Russia (there the truth has become a national idea), to which it will lead we will see. So I assure you that the Turks will still feel the sanctions, and by the way I’m not sure that we have no unpleasant surprises for Turkey .... The Big Game is just beginning.
        2. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 30 December 2015 16: 14 New
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          Turkey’s economic outlook is unlikely to depend on Russia. "The country's economy has shown growth this year, unlike Russia, where there has been a recession,"
          1. vitya1945
            vitya1945 31 December 2015 05: 40 New
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            Ah yes, you’re wrong, Mr. Star Crescent, if GDP does not recede, this is the beginning of the end for Turkey.
          2. Butchcassidy
            Butchcassidy 31 December 2015 08: 14 New
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            The processes of the economy have a certain inertia, not all at once. Turkey still comes around.
    8. dzeredzavkomimu
      dzeredzavkomimu 30 December 2015 23: 23 New
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      it’ll go, in Kurshavel, the billionaires will grind .. and everything will be canceled, we will supply gas to the Ukrainians again under the old agreements, and we will make friends again with the Turks .. we will make friends .. as soon as those brains stop floating on the southern stream, as they say, nothing personal, this business
  2. Utlan
    Utlan 30 December 2015 06: 39 New
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    Let Erdogan crawl on our knees and pray for forgiveness!
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 30 December 2015 07: 00 New
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      Should I make such stupid statements? For whom they are intended, there seem to be few fools.
    2. demo
      demo 30 December 2015 07: 39 New
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      Well creeps up. Well, what will it change?
      The actions of the tramp and the actions of the president of the country are essentially the same. But the consequences are different.
      And if the tramp became president, then it is necessary either to think over actions, or to answer for these actions.
      But not with his head or skin.
      And his party or country.
      That’s the whole short story.
    3. 2С5
      2С5 30 December 2015 09: 16 New
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      ... FINALLY CRAWL, if the hosts order ... how many NATO "Erdogans" crawled? Because of that ... they don’t do anything without a kick from across the ocean and even more so they themselves do not solve anything at all, although some want and could do it, butoooooo ...
    4. V.ic
      V.ic 30 December 2015 11: 05 New
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      Quote: Utlan
      Let Erdogan crawl on our knees and pray for forgiveness!

      ... moreover, with his pants and underpants lowered!
      1. Straus_zloy
        Straus_zloy 30 December 2015 14: 22 New
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        "..CRAINLY FIND, if the hosts order ..."

    5. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 30 December 2015 11: 09 New
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      Specifically, Erdogan, with his halo of the Sultan and, let’s say, “personal characteristics of the psyche,” will never do this.

      The question is to create conditions under which Erdogan would no longer represent Turkey, and such work is already going on primarily with the Kurds, though with a delay of ... years, but here's a proverb: Russians harness for a very long time, but Then they go fast.
      1. genisis
        genisis 30 December 2015 13: 12 New
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        Specifically, Erdogan with his halo of the Sultan and, let’s say, “personal characteristics of the psyche” will never do this


        The question is to create conditions under which Erdogan would no longer represent Turkey


        Erdogan has significant support for the Turkish Turks. It’s not only him, it’s all the Turks who are fighting the Kurds. The system now is such that no matter what “Cavusoglu” replaces Erdogan now, he will continue to cut with the Kurds.
        No one will apologize to the Russians for the downed plane. Now Russia is with the Anatolian Turks in a situation in which Armenia and the Transcaucasian Turks are already at least twenty years old. When the Turkish nomad (Turkey and Azerbaijan) the truth and the norm is simply not completely understood by a settled farmer (Russia, Armenia). When a frenzied lie is served officially and is shared by a narrow-minded, poorly educated, generally agrarian population.
        If you take a closer look, the Turkish population will share Erdogan’s aspirations and yearn to squeeze the Kurds and help the Syrian Turks. In this regard, another big mistake is to think that "the Turks are no longer the same." The same.
        I don’t know if any of you have read the Azerbaijani official, for example haqqin.az, but according to him, Russia itself is to blame. And, they say, it's just the Turks are very, very patient)))
        1. Butchcassidy
          Butchcassidy 31 December 2015 08: 20 New
          +1
          Russia did not work with the forces we needed in Turkey, and primarily with the Kurds.

          And now it works. And let's see what happens.
          1. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 31 December 2015 11: 56 New
            0
            Quote: ButchCassidy
            And now it works. And let's see what happens.


            Nothing good will come of out. Turkey can also work with Caucasians and Tatars.
            It is unlikely that something good will bring such cooperation!
            1. Starley from the south
              Starley from the south 31 December 2015 21: 07 New
              0
              Quote: ayyildiz
              Turkey can also work with Caucasians and Tatars.
              It is unlikely that something good will bring such cooperation!

              So Turkey has long been working with the "Caucasians", even with the first Chechen. And she is not alone. Turkish associates did nothing then. And no one ever seriously helped the Kurds, otherwise they would have their own state. And the Kurdish state is the end of Turkey. So do not flatter yourself, Turkey will not be able to do anything to us, only minor dirty tricks, which is in full accordance with the stereotypes of the Turkish leadership.
            2. Lekxnumx
              Lekxnumx 2 January 2016 02: 04 New
              0
              What kind of Caucasians can Turkey work with? Can Chechens utopia where Ramzan Kadyrov is in charge of everything? Dagestan? Abdullatipov and Avar comrades bent the whole republic under themselves, there were excellent cleanings. And suddenly Abdullatipov cut off the branch on which he for Turkey? .Motiv what? Lose power in the taxiway? which Avars benefit him and his people from Turkey? The only people whom the Turks can rely on for the Az-tsevs, for example, as in the photo "representatives of the MPO of the Azerbaijan National-Cultural Autonomy of the city of Derbent depict the symbols of the Gray Wolves". But do not forget that the Turkish special services need to get to Derbent through YUZHDAG in Lezgi lands. And what hope do Lezgins in Dagestan have towards Turks?
    6. nikolaij.w.78
      nikolaij.w.78 1 January 2016 12: 25 New
      0
      What difference does it make how he will apologize. If for each downed plane they get off with an apology they will shoot them down every day. The only thing that can resolve the conflict is a regime change. And Russia is not against the Turkish people, but against the regime of Erdogan
  3. Douel
    Douel 30 December 2015 07: 04 New
    +9
    Erdogan reminds me of a monkey with a grenade, I’ve already taken out the check, but it’s an interesting question where to throw this grenade. And to predict the effect of inadequate is quite difficult. Here in Iraq I look again it all starts with Turkish help. And the appearance of the "Turkic world" in Tatarstan alerted me.
    And Lyuboff to the grave with Qatar and the UAE does not bring peace.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 30 December 2015 07: 28 New
      +4
      Politically, the Turks have always been opponents of Russia.
      I don’t know how it is now, but they supported the Caucasian fighters for a long time.
      And in Crimea they tried to expand the zone of their influence.
    2. 2С5
      2С5 30 December 2015 09: 18 New
      0
      ... I apologize, they pull out the ring, and the check itself flies off ... well, that's right, technical little things ... sorry hi
      1. marlin1203
        marlin1203 30 December 2015 10: 20 New
        +3
        In fact, her finger is so tenderly held up to the throw ... and the trifle is really purely technical laughing
      2. Douel
        Douel 30 December 2015 15: 10 New
        +1
        I think that the check is just taken out. The check was the downing of our aircraft and the entry of Turkish troops into Iraq. Moreover, the Iraqi masters were unable to resolve this situation despite formidable and loud shouts.
        And the time to operation can then be long, not 4 seconds, but rather.
    3. guzik007
      guzik007 30 December 2015 10: 28 New
      +3
      Yu. And the appearance of the "Turkic world" in Tatarstan alerted me.
      ----------------------------------------------

      Do not strain, the movement has begun: suitcase-airport-Istanbul. As I advised Minnikhanov a month ago: =)
    4. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 30 December 2015 13: 59 New
      +1
      if by “Turkic world” you mean some analogue of the “Russian world” propagated recently, then so far such insanity has not begun. but a bad example is contagious.
      So far, the Tatars have only announced that they are not participating in Russian-Turkish graters, and for them nothing has fundamentally changed.
      1. Douel
        Douel 30 December 2015 15: 07 New
        +2
        And here you are in the very essence, the root has seen. By "Turkic world" our studied monkey means Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Kirghiz, well, the pepper of Tatarstan and all Tatar nationalities are clear (and Crimea and Astrakhan too). That is, the problem is much more dangerous and has far-reaching consequences than is thought.
        The goal is simple and global, the restoration of the Ottoman Empire or, as usual, the Ottoman port.
        1. -Traveller-
          -Traveller- 30 December 2015 15: 37 New
          +2
          And what did the Ottoman Empire have to the above countries? the Ottomans controlled Western Asia, North Africa and the Balkans.
          what you are talking about is more about the aspirations of the party of the nationalist movement — those same boskurs of the Bahceli devlet, opponents of Erdogan.
          Bahceli, by the way, is Turkmen.
          read about his verbal skirmishes with Erdogan - funny moments, I think this will slightly change your attitude to the current leadership of Turkey.
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        3. Starley from the south
          Starley from the south 31 December 2015 21: 17 New
          0
          Quote: Douel
          That is, the problem is much more dangerous and has far-reaching consequences than is thought.

          All of you are exaggerating. I don’t remember something, you can only think of it so that during the Russian-Turkish wars, the Turkic-speaking population of Tsarist Russia would begin at least some kind of movement against the government. Of course, much has changed with the collapse of the USSR, but Turkic-speaking Russians certainly will not support the Turkish leadership. Culturally, between our Tatars, for example, and the Turks, a huge distance.
      2. Butchcassidy
        Butchcassidy 31 December 2015 08: 20 New
        0
        I think that means Turksoy.
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  4. inkass_98
    inkass_98 30 December 2015 07: 08 New
    22
    The most understandable thing for the Turkish leadership will be to assist the Kurdish side in the context of the growing civil war in Turkey and continue to ignore contacts with the Turkish leadership. Turkey is the east, they understand and respect both brute force and transparent, in the forehead, hints. To poison and strangle ambassadors is no longer fashionable, all the more it will not be very beautiful to send the head or ears of the envoy to his homeland, although this would be very intelligible. So the above measures should also be effective. But the expulsion of Turkish students “for poor progress” from Russian universities (according to some media) is outright stupidity and dizziness. It’s impossible to go down to this, absolutely opposite things must be done - to attract and cherish future specialists, instill in them loyalty and respect for the northern neighbor. And when to do this, if not during study, when a person at 4-5 years immerses himself in the life of another country?
    1. Editor
      Editor 31 December 2015 09: 55 New
      0
      Quote: inkass_98
      But the expulsion of Turkish students “for poor progress” from Russian universities (according to some media) is outright stupidity and dizziness. It’s impossible to go down to this, absolutely opposite things must be done - to attract and cherish future specialists, instill in them loyalty and respect for the northern neighbor. And when to do it, if not during study, when a person is immersed in the life of another country for 4-5 years?

      In Turkey, the school, it seems to me, is something like a kindergarten, so that the child does not hang around idle. At least the level of applicants, according to reviews, is very low. Perhaps they simply dismissed the instruction "do not stretch", but disassemble it as it should. And you can immerse yourself in the life of another country in different ways. It's one thing when you are initially considered as a possible future friend of the country and an agent of influence, and quite another when you are just a source of money for a university.
  5. ZKVR
    ZKVR 30 December 2015 07: 20 New
    +5
    Only how: unless we shot down a plane we did not know that Turkey is cooperating with ig. And if there had been no incident, then they would have bombed the forests, and the Turks would quietly trade further. So chtoli. AND ?
  6. jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 30 December 2015 07: 22 New
    +5
    In this whole story with Turkey, one in my opinion, one important question is omitted or modestly silent. In the four years of the civil war in Syria, our leadership has not seen these thousands of gas trucks exporting stolen oil to Turkey? They said yes in the press, but without indicating the participants in this theft. Maul Igil sells oil, and where and on what routes neither the press nor the television went down. And how they shot down the plane, that was all.
    1. Military Builder
      Military Builder 30 December 2015 12: 19 New
      +1
      well, different "sticks" are in the products of only those countries that open their mouths to Russia, and before the downed plane through Turkey, the South Stream was planned
  7. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 30 December 2015 07: 25 New
    +3
    It’s time for Russia to dunk the Turks in their fats completely and explain that the Turks will use this substance at least three times a day, before, after, and instead of eating. And the reason is the excessive imperial ambitions of the erdogenome and.
  8. private person
    private person 30 December 2015 07: 33 New
    +2
    Yes, what kind of sanctions are they talking about. You go to any fruit supermarket in Turkey in the clothes market. She is in Turkey in auto parts stores. She is also only on television and on the Internet sanctions.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 30 December 2015 07: 52 New
      +1
      The clothes are not delivered in one day. The load often goes several months. By the way, mainly through Ukraine. So what we see on the shelves has now been ordered back in the summer.
      Although, of course, small traders can go to Turkey at least every day and bring goods in hand luggage. There are already flaws in our customs. On the other hand, a person is driven through a cordon of half a dozen fur coats and says that all this is an acquisition for his personal needs.
      What can a customs officer do in this case? Nothing. Since it’s more expensive.

      So let's, since we are such patriots, we will not buy anything Turkish.
      Try to explain to your wife that instead of the Turkish mantle for the New Year, she will have a chicken from Vietnam.
      Have you forgotten how flying saucers beat?
      So, dear comrade, let's start with ourselves.
      1. Decathlon
        Decathlon 30 December 2015 08: 27 New
        +2
        I agree! Let's start with ourselves. In my city, two Turkish companies built housing for 6 years. They quickly built, quite qualitatively and relatively inexpensively. Our company provided them with transport (about 40% of the total profit). Now the Turks are folding up, but there is no replacement for them and is not yet in sight. I have been instructed to think about reducing staff and transferring (selling) equipment. Agree, the lesson is not pleasant. So, everything is not so clear, I will have to hand people notice of reduction and try to sell used equipment in a crisis when, in fact, nobody needs it. One hope - our builders will catch up on the "incomplete", but this is already a very long prospect ...
      2. Megatron
        Megatron 30 December 2015 13: 08 New
        +1
        Spare parts were also banned, but the factories began to get up and with a quiet glade of srova allowed their import.
    2. BecmepH
      BecmepH 30 December 2015 08: 18 New
      +6
      Why put the cons? Yesterday in Magnit I saw Turkish tangerines with my own eyes. And everyone bought, because cheap
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 December 2015 07: 40 New
    +3
    Recently, Turkey has become very similar to Ukraine in its actions and statements of ministers and the president. We are twin brothers, we are white and fluffy, and the damned Russians are to blame for everything, which if necessary we will occupy in 7 days (the ukronatsiks also intended to reach Moscow). With the similarity of actions and statements, the same outcome is not excluded.
  10. mamont5
    mamont5 30 December 2015 07: 40 New
    +3
    "If you do not know the background of the conflict, it seems that Russia for no reason, fell out of love with Turkey. And the white and fluffy Turkey is doing everything to reason with the stupid northern neighbor."

    Yes Yes. They also spoke about Georgia, especially after the 08.08.08 war. How many of them are so “white and fluffy” while you caress them, and looked a little stricter, they immediately become in a pose of an offended one.
  11. Zeppelin ml.
    Zeppelin ml. 30 December 2015 08: 12 New
    +6
    Even the loss of several of their special forces in the search area for the co-pilot was forgotten.

    I am ashamed to admit, I missed this info (
    And what is the story of the Turkish special forces? Briefly or referring, huh?
  12. Pule
    Pule 30 December 2015 08: 14 New
    +3
    We quote "in Obama" - Erdogan must leave.
    And remembering Khrushchev - the strait "Moscow" will not only clear, but will expand, but only Istanbul will not see this. bully
  13. Riv
    Riv 30 December 2015 08: 19 New
    +3
    Partner, speak? Erdogan's partners eat a pig in a ravine.
  14. Million
    Million 30 December 2015 08: 32 New
    +2
    Erdogan just had to apologize and pay compensation
    1. Ostrovnoy
      Ostrovnoy 30 December 2015 11: 03 New
      +1
      Edorgan didn’t have to do this at all.
    2. Ostrovnoy
      Ostrovnoy 30 December 2015 11: 04 New
      0
      Edorgan didn’t have to do this at all.
  15. vitya1945
    vitya1945 30 December 2015 08: 46 New
    +2
    I really hope that even if there are apologies, the sanctions will not be lifted.
    There is only one way to lift the sanctions, let the Turks remove Erdogan and others like him, it seems to me that Davutoglu is much smarter and from the same series.
    And then it is possible to expand on the lifting of the sanctions.
    The most important direction of tourism is a very strong blow, and it costs Russia nothing.
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 30 December 2015 09: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: vitya1945
      The most important direction of tourism is a very strong blow, and it costs Russia nothing.

      well yes. Read the statistics. Of our 40 million tourists, only 4 million are. So I wouldn’t especially pedal the topic that without “Tagi-and-il!”, The Turkish tourist sector will die and die. What about
      Quote: vitya1945
      moreover, it costs Russia nothing.

      - very much) The resorts of the Crimea and the Caucasus have already raised prices by 50%. Import substitution in the tourism industry takes on several iDiotic forms. However, as usual - "Greed is good" (c)
      1. Butchcassidy
        Butchcassidy 30 December 2015 11: 12 New
        +1
        and here it’s not a question of quantity, but of quality.

        Russians around the world are the most spenders in terms of tourism. And the fisted Germans will never spend as much as the Russians, despite the fact that there are much more German tourists in Turkey.
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 30 December 2015 11: 48 New
          +2
          Quote: ButchCassidy
          Russians around the world are the most spenders in terms of tourism.

          yes give up. This is a common myth. The same as everyone else. Moreover, it’s not the moneybags who go to Turkey, the budget vacation, plus “all inclusive”. And it is doubtful that 10% of the tourist flow will surpass the remaining 90% in their generosity.
          1. Butchcassidy
            Butchcassidy 31 December 2015 08: 25 New
            0
            This is not a common myth, I mean the average amount that Russian tourists spend per person in Turkey. And it is higher than that of the Germans.

            I only meant this, and not that 10-15% of Russian tourists spend more than the remaining 85-90%
      2. vitya1945
        vitya1945 30 December 2015 12: 05 New
        +4
        What would you understand - Russians buy 10% of tourists, textiles, leather, jewelry, carpets are much more than the remaining 90%.
        All these centers throughout Antalya and Istanbul (what are the names for you?) Simply will not be able to reorient, the owners are in quiet horror, well, the Germans don’t take anything out of the hotels.
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 30 December 2015 12: 24 New
          +4
          Quote: vitya1945
          What would you understand

          it was about the services of the tour sector, and not about the fact that our fellow citizens are sweeping away tsatsk and consumer goods in shops. I have not been to Turkey since I consider a beach vacation a wasted vacation, but - I take your word for it, and the "quiet horror" of the local shopkeepers does not cause me sympathy. However, the same as the groaning of some Russians excommunicated from the Turech region.
          1. vitya1945
            vitya1945 30 December 2015 13: 55 New
            +1
            That is, you only consider the services of a tour operator, it’s money, and you don’t take into account the money spent on everything else, is that not money anymore?
            There is such a thing as per pax, or another such sweet word as ortalama is an accurate indicator of money spent by tourists on excursions and a separate indicator for shopping.
            So, for the last season in Antalya, an average Russian spent $ 60 on tours for tour operators on excursions, it does not take into account tours bought at street agencies, even if we take into account that this is $ 30 we get $ 90.
            Now, shop statistics on leather and jewelry on average per person, this figure is more than about $ 135, there is no way to count the textiles because there are too many centers, all these migros and depot here I can only assume $ 90 total $ 315
            Believe me, this is not a big figure just a few years ago when the dol.stoil 32 rubles. These indicators were many times more.
            I gave the official figures for large travel agencies.
            And there is also real estate and a lot of everything else.
            As of 2012, in Antalya there were 27 real estate registered with Russian citizens.
            I also do not feel sorry for the shopkeepers there, when it was already necessary to cover this .....
            And as for the Crimea, if you are planning to relax, I can give a tel. Comrade whose hotel and price will increase by 15% compared to last year
            1. Zeppelin ml.
              Zeppelin ml. 30 December 2015 15: 26 New
              0
              Quote: vitya1945
              So for the last season in Antalya the average Russian spent

              But are there any statistics on the average "non-Russian"? Everything is known in comparison, your numbers tell me little about)
              Quote: vitya1945
              And as for the Crimea, if you are planning to relax, I can give a tel. Comrade whose hotel and price will increase by 15% compared to last year

              Thanks, but no, I don’t plan. Maybe this is not patriotic, but Crimea is absolutely uninteresting to me, excuse me) Other preferences.
              1. vitya1945
                vitya1945 31 December 2015 05: 44 New
                0
                Not for Russians, because they don’t go anywhere, except maybe Pamukkale if a group of pensioners warm up.
                Only Kazakhs are better than Russians (spend in the sense)
                Happy you.
          2. Butchcassidy
            Butchcassidy 31 December 2015 08: 26 New
            0
            These are all links of one chain - people come to the country and spend money. No matter what - on excursions or on products of light industry.
        2. -Traveller-
          -Traveller- 30 December 2015 15: 55 New
          +1
          Antalya shopping centers (malls) are generally not very tourist oriented.
          By the way, in Antalya itself, unlike Kemer or Belek, few speak Russian, because no reason.
          The communication language is English, and often only Turkish.
          the main blow to Kemer, the Russians from Belek and without sanctions are gradually leaving - it became expensive for us in the top five on the ultra all.
  16. Che911
    Che911 30 December 2015 09: 00 New
    +4
    Saakashvili did not crawl and Erdogan did not crawl. The owners forbade crawling in this direction.
  17. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 30 December 2015 09: 10 New
    +4
    Relaxed! Before time buried Russia! am They hoped that we would only issue a veto at the UN, and scribble complaints. No, we will force ourselves to respect! Force to force!
  18. Maksim
    Maksim 30 December 2015 09: 20 New
    +4
    Sanctions are a way to nowhere, so we are informed of sanctions against Russia. Sanctions against Russia are good. It seems to me there is a touch of double standards. Only the PEOPLE of the two countries will suffer from the sanctions, and not the top authorities. And why do we (peoples) need to quarrel? In the meantime, in the Russia-Turkey confrontation, the United States wins ....
  19. red_october
    red_october 30 December 2015 09: 45 New
    +6
    Santa enters Turkey's airspace ...
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 30 December 2015 15: 12 New
      +4
      Quote: red_october
      Santa enters Turkish airspace


      Actually, it’s rather he comes out of there: Nicholas hails from the Lycian World (now Demre, Antalya Province) wink
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 31 December 2015 00: 13 New
        0
        Saint Nicholas - yes! And not this Coca-Cola miracle in feathers on a sleigh, where the main deer is called the Red Wolf.
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        2. Weyland
          Weyland 1 January 2016 20: 16 New
          0
          Quote: housewife
          the main deer is called the Red Wolf.


          Well, at least not a "noble wolf" ... wink
  20. 1536
    1536 30 December 2015 09: 52 New
    +7
    Quote: parusnik
    But whether the Kremlin will abolish sanctions is a big question. ... In my opinion, it’s unlikely ... But they found a substitute for Turkey ... Iran ... and it’s quite worthy .. and most importantly, it’s not a NATO member, the corkscrew is not stuck in the back from the corner .. if it is warned ..


    Yes, for the murder of the Russian ambassador A.S. Griboedova, the Persian Shah sent Emperor Nicholas I a huge diamond "Shah" in apology. So the Iranians of the Turks will be “more polite”.
    By the way, the murder of Griboedov, then in the 1829 year, was provoked by all the same British, for whom God created both the Turks and other peoples in the Near and Middle East to fight Russia. Little changes over time. And diamonds are still in price.
    1. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 30 December 2015 11: 18 New
      +3
      The situation there was completely different - Griboedova was killed by a crowd of fanatics when he gave Armenians shelter in the embassy building. And Abbas Mirza had nothing to do with it.

      And here is a different situation: Erdogan personally gave the approval for the destruction of the Su-24, and nobody else could give it, the situation in Turkey is not right now, so the attempt to blame everything on the generals will only bring more hatred for Erdogan in the Turkish army.
    2. Weyland
      Weyland 30 December 2015 15: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: 1536
      The Persian Shah sent a huge Shah diamond to Emperor Nicholas I as a sign of apology. So the Iranians of the Turks will be “more polite”.


      A common myth. "Shah" went into the offset part of the indemnity. In real life, the shah sent his 16-year-old grandson Khosrev-Mirza with this diamond - it was he who was supposed to be a ransom: they say, the Russians will be chopped off his head, and we will be counting (it’s a pity, of course, but you can survive it - a big harem, grandchildren a lot of wink ) Well, we didn’t kill him - we are not Turks ...
      The trick is that the Qajars are Türks, not Persians, hence the savagery. Few people remember that after the Greco-Persian war, two volunteers came to King Xerxes from Sparta to be executed as compensation for the killing of ambassadors by King Leonid (This is Spartaaaa!) - but Xerxes told them that he is not such a scumbag as Leonid, and does not kill innocent people in principle!
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  21. Lelek
    Lelek 30 December 2015 09: 55 New
    10
    ("Turkey did not take any negative steps towards Russia after the start of the diplomatic crisis."
    “Russia is important to us. This is our very important partner, and therefore we patiently wait and do not take action.”)

    Forgive us Turks. We foolish ones did not understand that you shot down our plane and killed our people for our own good. That you are sending your "gray wolves" to the battalion of the Ukrainian "Mejlis" to protect small Russia from the "great evil." What do you arrange provocations in the straits out of great "brotherly" love for us - Russians. That you use stolen oil, historical rarities, human trafficking only because of the enormous hatred of Daesh. What do you prepare fighters on your territory with their subsequent sending to other countries of the world with the great humane goal of destroying world evil. Well, we did not understand you. fool
    1. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 30 December 2015 11: 19 New
      +4
      I read somewhere on the Internet: The Russians must apologize to Erdogan. Just like that and write on the rockets: "Forgive us, Erdogan!"
  22. Belousov
    Belousov 30 December 2015 10: 08 New
    +3
    Let's see what ultimately comes out of these sanctions. Tangerines and tourism are interesting, but ineffective. And here is the nuclear power plant. the banking sector, gas stations and more - that’s more effective.
  23. Babayka
    Babayka 30 December 2015 10: 20 New
    +4
    While Turkey supports terrorists, sanctions cannot be lifted, even if they apologize. Let them change their foreign policy.
  24. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 30 December 2015 11: 48 New
    +5
    Next year, according to the Middle East calendar, will be the year of the monkey with a grenade. Year of Erdogan. On this grenade he himself will be blown up.
  25. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 30 December 2015 13: 26 New
    +2
    It is necessary to crush the igil until the end so that all who are alive go to Turkey; let the Turks have fun
  26. yuriy55
    yuriy55 30 December 2015 13: 43 New
    +1
    We always reap the benefits of government squabbles. In this case (see topic), the people of Turkey may be puzzled by the response of Russian citizens to the policy of the Turkish state. But not more. stop

    Our state has taken retaliatory steps to curb the frantic Turkish ruler. All moaning and convulsing because of "Russian misunderstanding" is a mediocre game of the Turkish state acting troupe (possibly a corpse what ) And they squeal only because in the power plan the conflict will be resolved only in Russia's favor (no doubt) and the bloc will not stand up for the Turks just because it may turn out that something can be “completely inadvertently” turned off in the Russian fever ... am
  27. koralvit
    koralvit 30 December 2015 13: 56 New
    +1
    They screwed up and under the bench to NATO. And who will answer? And Russia will make you answer, even if Erdogan apologizes three times in a row.
  28. trantor
    trantor 30 December 2015 16: 15 New
    +1
    Many were surprised by Russia's calm reaction to such statements. Not even calm, but some kind of lazy one. No one, no matter how significant the politician, expressed concern on this issue. And why? Yes, everything is very simple. Close straits can not only Turkey, but also Russia. Exactly. Our fleet allows you to do this. And not only Turkey, but also NATO cannot oppose something to such a step.

    Perhaps they have something to lose:
    1. Santjaga_Garka
      Santjaga_Garka 1 January 2016 18: 34 New
      0
      Close, as I understand it, not in the sense of taking away the land, we simply block the entry and exit of the ships and that's it *)
  29. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 30 December 2015 18: 21 New
    +2
    So everything is curly .... First, they will hit from under the silence, and then, in order not to be clogged with earned lyuli, they will begin to tell us how they love us. And in the face, if, in response, and to engage in negotiations? No? And it would be necessary!
  30. Voltsky
    Voltsky 30 December 2015 21: 33 New
    +2
    It's cool, as some say, a 10% percentage loss in sales is not a disaster for Turkey :) Losing a hand is about a loss of 10% of body weight, not fatal, but definitely a disaster; and if you take into account the good-neighborly relations of Turkey with its neighbors, I have no doubt they will want to bite the weakened turkey.
  31. Severok01
    Severok01 30 December 2015 23: 36 New
    0
    We need to be friends with Iran today, there is no one else at this stage.
    м
  32. Orionvit
    Orionvit 31 December 2015 02: 37 New
    -1
    And by "obstinacy" Russians will not yield to anyone. Even to the Turkish president. And it is right.
  33. tehnokrat
    tehnokrat 31 December 2015 03: 03 New
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    Ankara behaves like the most ordinary chain dog.
    Even a completely evil, unlearned chain dog understands that without a master he is nothing of himself. The instinct of self-preservation tells him this. The chain does not teach skills of independence and leadership.
    The chain for such dogs, as a rule, is not so much a factor restraining their aggression as a symbol of service, being "at work", the presence of an omnipotent Master nearby, with whom no enemy is afraid.
    So the dog breaks, choking with his own courage. And, suddenly finding himself at large, immediately forgets all his rage, becomes an ordinary dog, like everyone else, often even cowardly: The owner is not around!
  34. Balagan
    Balagan 1 January 2016 18: 50 New
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    Let's see what all this will result in. Apparently, the Turks have not yet felt the seriousness of the issue. By the end of summer, they will be cut in full.
  35. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 1 January 2016 19: 11 New
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    Quote: Severok01
    We need to be friends with Iran today, there is no one else at this stage.
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    With India to develop, Vietnam again.