The Commander-in-Chief of the VKS of the White Swan and the PAK FA

According to the commander-in-chief of the VKS, Viktor Bondarev, the production of Tu-160 bombers will be resumed in a timely manner, the aircraft will be completely new. About this with reference to TASS newspaper reports Look.

“Only the basis of the old Tu-160 is taken. The entire internal filling is absolutely new systems, absolutely new opportunities, ”said Bondarev.

Although the resumption of production in these conditions will be difficult, nevertheless, the Ministry of Defense "is confident that the industry will cope with this program in full and the aircraft will be received in a timely manner," he said.

Earlier it was reported that the development of new airborne equipment for the Tu-160М2 should be completed by 2020 g.

As for the PAK FA (T-50), it is expected in the video conferencing system in 2017.

“We are planning to receive this plane in 2017 already,” said the commander-in-chief.

According to him, the goal is to “ease the work of the pilot, to solve several tasks both on the ground and in the air in one flight”.

“Almost all the equipment that comes to us, has passed through Syria or is there. And she confirms the tactical and technical tasks that we set before her, ”said Bondarev.

In November, the United Engine Corporation reported that "a prototype engine of the second stage (" 30 product) will be ready for 2017, and, accordingly, the first flights with it will be held in 2018 year. "

Comments

[kimyth1]

would rather !!! but without loss of quality !!!

[MIKHALYCH1]

A joke recently read ..:
"There are sanctions in Russia ... Our Jet 100, how will we sell it ..?
Yes, we will not sell, let it fly on domestic airlines, and Tu-160 on external ones! ..
And all things!

[GSH-18]

Powerful strike aircraft is an army showcase. Tremble adversaries. X101 and the entire T-50 missile ammunition will very soon be assigned to you yourself know where. Happy New Year!

[Denis Obukhov]

Tu-160, The White Swan - the pinnacle of strategic aviation. America will never achieve this.

[Dembel77]

It is very pleasant to read these lines, because the basis of the foundations of our safe life is a strong army, which cannot exist without modern weapons. Russian military-industrial complex - keep it up!

[Baikal]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

Tu-160, The White Swan - the pinnacle of strategic aviation. America will never achieve this.

Well, why ... If they buy NK-32 too, then suddenly a couple will fly up

[Vadim237]

Well, American turbine companies are far ahead of us, not only in technological, but also in production.

[Baikal]

Maybe so, I will not argue. They are ahead of us in ALL By the way, where are their "swans"? ..
Answers like "all progressive mankind has long since given up" go to f .... y.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Baikal

By the way, where are their "swans"?

Nuuu, why did the B-1B Lancer displease you? :) It took a very long time to finish it with a file, but in the end it turned out to be a very good pepelats. In many respects, the Tu-160 falls short of, but still surpasses in some ways (flight at low altitudes). Our pilots, who had a chance to see him in general and in general, evaluate "Lance" positively

[Baikal]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

By many characteristics up to Tu-160 does not reach...

And as said is consistent with ...

Quote: Vadim237

US turbine firms us lot are ahead

It turns out that they are far ahead, before doing something clearly superior to them stupidly breaking? Like - this is not a lordly thing?)
You decide - either smart or beautiful. And then both are as if pregnant, but a little

[Nick]

Quote: Baikal

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

By many characteristics up to Tu-160 does not reach...

And as said is consistent with ...

Quote: Vadim237

US turbine firms us lot are ahead

It turns out that they are far ahead, before doing something clearly superior to them stupidly breaking? Like - this is not a lordly thing?)
You decide - either smart or beautiful. And then both are as if pregnant, but a little

In fact, both aircraft are very similar. The 160 is more massive, the ceiling is higher, the combat load is larger, the flight range without DZ is slightly larger. B1B a little faster, has the function of low-altitude air defense breakthrough. Both aircraft are similar even in appearance.

[guzik007]

Tu 160 is more massive, the ceiling is higher, the combat load is larger, the flight range without remote sensing is slightly larger. B1B a little faster, has the function of low-altitude air defense breakthrough.
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it is on these "slightly" that air superiority develops. Remember how in VO our pepelatsy did not reach "a little bit" to the messengers, and what it poured into at first.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Baikal

And as said is consistent with ...

It is absolutely okay. Ours relied on speed, the Tu-160 is a missile carrier, primarily designed to quickly reach the line of attack and strike. On the contrary, the Americans preferred to base the work of the Lance on a low-altitude air defense breakthrough. Two different concepts, which is better - it's hard to say.
At first, the Americans thought to go the same way as we - their B-1A (the prototype of the "Lance") developed quite decent 2,3M - which, no offense to you will be told, a little more than the Tu-160. But then the United States decided that their bomber should work on ultra-small ones - there is no need for high speed and tried to run into stealth.
I believe that ours were more right - to climb a huge plane in the very small to not completely suppressed air defense is tin. Our concept - flew closer to the mainland and, without entering the air defense zone, beat the nuclear missiles - good bye America - somehow more realistic, or something. On the other hand, PAK YES is declared subsonic subtle - i.e. he is unlikely to be the direct heir to the Tu-160.

Quote: Baikal

It turns out that they are far ahead, before doing something clearly superior to them stupidly breaking?

So they constantly did "something superior" - look at the performance characteristics and the resource of engines of US and USSR fighters. With approximately equal thrust, the F-15 dvigun serves more than twice our Al-31F from the Su-27.

[Baikal]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

With approximately equal traction, the dvigun F-15 serves more than twice our Al-31F from Su-27.

Can I find out where this classified information comes from?
Americans give a resource of engines in TAS (thermal cycles), ours give in hours. The thermal cycle, it’s like the concept of democracy — it seems to be there, but x understand what. Pratt and Wittney, as I understand it, do not give information about the engine resource in HOURS.
What will you justify that the grass is greener there?

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

dvigun

A word, by the way, outskirts ...

[edge]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

PAK YES is declared subsonic subtle - i.e. he is unlikely to be the direct heir to the Tu-160.

in general (yes) it is positioned as a flying platform, and something on it will be located covered in darkness.

[lukewarm]

So engines are one thing, aerodynamics is another. One does not contradict the other

[edge]

Quote: Baikal

It turns out that they are far ahead, before doing something clearly superior to them stupidly breaking? Like - this is not a lordly thing?)

look at the root, as Kozma Prutkov used to say, the main task was set for corporations - to rip as much dough from the public and private sectors as possible: shake everyone’s shoes and rise at someone’s expense.

[remy]

V-1V Lancer a little bigger than our Tu-22m3
and now the Tu-22M3M also flies with the envelope of the terrain
and in general, ours has a lot of new things

[lukewarm]

Quote: Baikal

are ahead of EVERYTHING

Alas. In addition to rocket engines. Aircraft engine building their hobbyhorse. They lose in aerodynamics, respectively, aerobatics, as our drying can not twist.

Quote: Baikal

By the way, where are their "swans"? ..

B-1B. Look for it. Yes, it's smaller. But the concept is the same. I think the number of more than we have Tu-160. I don’t know for sure, and I don’t know in what condition.
I consider myself also a patriot, but I propose to stop throwing caps on the enemy, very, very likely. Just repeat the 41st. Disappointment will be very painful.

[spy008]

B1-B, 36 pcs., TU-160, 16 pcs. + 16 V-2A (spirit). Well, since our PAK FA, which will enter the troops in 2018, was mentioned in the topic, then, at least 90 units are in service with NATO. Here are the statistics. There is, of course, a lag, with the exception of 115 pieces. TU-22M3 and the strength of the Russian spirit. Russia has something to fight and for what.
An alarmist would only (under wartime law) ...

[spy008]

I mean 90 F22 Raptor

[edge]

Quote: unwillingly

Just repeat the 41st. Disappointment will be very painful.

stop yelling about the 41st year, the conditions are different, there we were caught at the stage of rearmament of the army + the German had a dark leader. And now there are no leaders except Putin and Assad in the world .... there is a conglomerate of greasy cats that are spoiling quietly.

[edge]

Quote: Baikal

They're ahead of us in EVERYTHING. By the way, where are their "swans"? ..

.... where, where, Lancers (B1-B) are still in service and fly.

[edge]

Quote: Baikal

Well, why ... If they buy NK-32 too, then suddenly a couple will fly up

if you remember the yankers smartly turns out to cut budget developments, the loot spreads in the pockets of billions. Doubts take me that they can do something: at least the next 15 years, or even longer

[Alexey-74]

our planes are like a visiting card of Russian superiority in the sky !!!

[Maj.]

Of course, DO NOT catch up, if Grandma Wang was not mistaken, then America will not be soon, and the Black President will be the last. And why Wang will not be there she didn’t. ???

[Reptiloid]

Vanga’s predictions were fulfilled differently. The last president is Obama. And then maybe the president will be, or something middling. Although I prefer your option.

[Mih]

And then maybe the president will be, or something middling

Let there be a woman. And this is reality. Although the whole Western world is a woman's tales. Well, what can a woman do when she has such problems with the reproductive organs? At a certain point, a woman has such problems that they simply have no time for fighting. Women will go on the attack? I will be curious to look at these heroes. Well, yes, I understand the thesis about gender equality, but I don't need to push it to the limit. If, suppose, that in the line of fire I see a skirt, what will I forget to press the "hook"? Well you are romantics. Everyone who sits on my marker will be killed or he will kill me. This is the harsh truth of life.

[spy008]

I don’t know who will be the next president, but on the basis of logic: a one-eyed, authentic shemale, of uncertain skin color, of Jewish origin. In short - a minority in the cube.

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: spy008

I don’t know who will be the next president, but on the basis of logic: a one-eyed, authentic shemale, of uncertain skin color, of Jewish origin. In short - a minority in the cube.

It reminded someone ...
Vladimir Vladimirovich is not like that, he is forever young and beautiful

[spy008]

You live in America, from Putin - hell knows where! Russia doesn’t move to your borders - what are you shaking like shitting cats? or maybe they really cheated somewhere, but we don’t know this? - Yes, we know and see ...
Or have you personally Putin stepped on the tail, for any fraud and you so, in a petty way, take revenge?
I, too, may not be delighted with the GDP, and indeed with many other figures; but there are objective things: a leader is one who protects the weak, and does not crush them for himself.
Abstract and look at everything that happens in the world from the side, at least on the map.
- who is moving to whose borders? - that ...
And look at the faces of your politicians, especially at women - raging, mentally unbalanced senility! “Putin,” “handsome, compared to all yours,” is a fact! Not FAC - don't mix it up
Happy New Year, my dear American friend!
I wish you peace of mind and a peaceful sky above your head!
Ukraine, since they have seized it with a death grip, keep in a tight rein, do not banter them to provocations - they do not know the measure.
Best regards

[Sea Wolf]

America will never achieve the construction of atomic icebreakers, and much can not be achieved.

[guzik007]

America will never reach the construction of atomic icebreakers
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The country of Limonia ... the whole world is waiting for global warming - we are building super-heavy class icebreakers (up to 4-meter pack ice).
Let's wait, who is right: =)

[Baikal]

I don’t know what America cannot achieve there, but you must admit - it’s silly to wait for everything to take and melt in 10-20 years In addition, there is quite a version to himself that all this fuss with warming is fuss.

[edge]

Quote: Baikal

In addition, there is quite a version to himself that all this fuss with warming is fuss.

I agree, climatologists talk about the displacement of the earth's axis and therefore the change of poles, and this is again a chill.

[Dewa1s]

and this is plus, e-mail ... where so many hats come from?

[lukewarm]

Poor America ... I hate them too, but that's why. They have achieved a lot. Our Tu-160 cannot influence their government, as theirs dollar on "our". There were articles that we cannot reproduce the Tu-160 either. The equipment is fucked up, the specialists who remember something are all pensioners. In general, the situation is the same as in our entire industry. And what the Commander-in-Chief said ... Nice to hear. Let's see how the deadlines will be postponed in 2017 and 2020, respectively.

[edge]

Quote: unwillingly

There were articles that we also could not reproduce the Tu-160. The equipment is poher, the specialists who remember something are all pensioners.

scream a lot and stupidly, look carefully in the interests of the VPC are specialized universities, and even our youth work out the Boeing. So, there are engineering and working personnel of productive age.

[snc]

There is no need for cap-making, B-1 is an almost complete analogue, and weight returns will be even better.

[Denis Obukhov]

Demonstrated rockets for PAK-FA.


The X-59MK2 missile can carry two types of warheads. Depending on the type of target, a high-explosive penetrating or cluster warhead weighing up to 310 kg can be used. Such equipment allows you to attack and successfully destroy various ground targets, both point and area.
A small turbojet engine is located in the rear part of the body of the upgraded rocket. An important innovation of the updated project X-59MK2 was a change in the design of the power plant. In the basic design, the engine is placed in a separate fairing suspended under the rocket body, which negatively affects the dimensions of the product.


clickable.

[Uran]

The white swan is the pride of our country!

[alexng]

For us, he is the White Swan, and for the Americans he is a black and black swan and a nightmare.

[CHILD]

Well, God forbid! Explicitly needed.

[rol19]

Nat in the current environment ... meat.

[trantor]

Quote: rol19

Nat in the current environment ... meat.

Well, why meat? The glider is excellent, so far no one has come up with a better one.

[rol19]

Well, which glider? Are you from doing nothing?

[Starley from the south]

Quote: trantor

The glider is excellent, so far no one has come up with a better

In fact, it seems to me that in our aviation, military and civilian, the strategy of creating gliders with a large margin of modernization has long been adopted. Therefore, our planes will be in demand for a long time. This and the SU-27 family, the MiG-31 can be upgraded, it remains at a height without replacing the airframe, the Tu-95 and Tu-160 - the same story. But there is no such thing over the hill - it is easier to create a new aircraft there than to modernize the "old" one, because the "old" does not include the possibility of modernization, it will cost more. And ours do not save on design work. It turns out that way.

[trantor]

Quote: Starley from the South

the strategy of creating gliders with a large margin of modernization has long been adopted

I do not think that anyone specifically accepted this strategy. There was simply a whole galaxy of glider aircraft designers, who laid such a tradition, left students behind themselves. And then, the glider is the same buzz, this is art, everything else is more of a technique. Something like this.

[sniper]

Quote: rol19

Nat in the current environment ... meat.

God, another skull hunter ... Igor, do you need it ???

[rol19]

Yes, not just that ... but just kind of sad ..

[sniper]

Quote: rol19

but just somehow sad ..

Not the best way to have fun ...

Quote: rol19

Well, which glider?

What is called a "glider" in aviation is called a "body" in cars, as a first approximation, of course, but it will be clearer this way ...

[CHILD]

... essentially it will be another machine, so skepticism is not yet clear ... moreover, neither you nor I know what will be inside))) well, it won’t be any worse.

[shibi]

Clear Skies to the White Swan!

[wolf1945]

Everything resembles a 39 year old!

[i80186]

In the sense of NATO in place of the USSR? It’s precisely noticed, right in all respects, even their operation in Iraq against the Isis is similar to the Winter War. The same prolonged, costly and not effective.

[bad]

Although the resumption of production in these conditions will be difficult, nevertheless, the Ministry of Defense "is confident that the industry will cope with this program in full and the aircraft will be received in a timely manner," he said.

God help me! I really want to live up to the brand new TU-160 .. and see the reaction of the "partners" ..

[Mainbeam]

All the equipment that comes to us has passed through Syria or is there.
And she confirms the tactical and technical tasks that we put before her

But this is interesting - confirmation of the specified performance characteristics in combat conditions
in the absence of enemy air defense means, naturally
What did they not see "so special" at their home ranges?

[Oleg16661]

These words also struck me. Su-35, PAK FA and other new products will also be there or what?

[lukewarm]

If the war lasts until the 25th, there will be. Unlikely before.

[lukewarm]

Perhaps the higher the intensity of combat work, exploitation. Well, we don’t know what’s going on there. Mattresses do not sleep. Maybe there is electronic warfare, some kind of electronic counteraction ...

[venaya]

Engines today are perhaps the basis of the flight performance of the aircraft itself. The glider itself, although not of the first freshness, is no longer so important. I believe that the emphasis on building a new engine is more relevant.

[11 black]

Quote: venaya

Engines today are perhaps the basis of the flight performance of the aircraft itself. The glider itself, although not of the first freshness, is no longer so important. I believe that the emphasis on building a new engine is more relevant.

I agree that the glider is already at the limit, but I repeat - the main thing for the Tu160 is to develop a hypersonic missile with a launch range of at least 700-800 km (you can launch it from any height). Or, it’s more relevant, but also more difficult technologically, to create a plasma cloud generator for it, which will not only hide the plane from radars, but also allow it to fly in hypersound (such a system, the plasma cloud generator has already run in and the results, well, judging by the meager infe that broke through in 90 turned out to be stunning (the plane flew no worse than UFOs from Hollywood films + invisibility to the radar), the problem was that the plane itself was blind and did not even have radio communications (the plasma absorbed all the radio emission as with vn or from the inside) if this problem was solved, or if a hypersonic missile was developed for it (Tu 160), then the White Swan will not only become a new round of the evolution of bombers, but will also put a big bold cross on the entire US fleet (except for the underwater) since there is simply nothing to oppose to any of these AUG options, and since they are being revived, 9 from 10 some of this is there and 10 from 10 if it doesn’t appear soon, otherwise IMHO there wouldn’t be such a lot of trouble.

[sergant67]

Sofa strategists ..... balaboly parasites

[11 black]

Well, why immediately be rude then - I do not understand this ...
People are trying to figure out why the production of Tu 160 is going to be revived en masse, and believe me these are not empty words.
The fact is that the Tu 160, as it is now, can only bomb an igil or arrange a nuclear apocalypse, but it can’t be used against a technologically developed country either as an anti-ship missile carrier or as a long-range bomber, and there are hundreds of plants and tens of thousands of parts ... not to mention tens or hundreds of billions that would have to be spent - what could justify all this?
If you can offer your option, thought out only, then offer do not be shy. If you don’t know how to think, then at least do not insult those who are trying ...
I can justify my option - supersonic speed and powerful electronic warfare systems will make the Tu-160 inaccessible to carrier-based aircraft. The flight range in 18 thousand km allows us to reach the USAG anywhere in the ocean. 12 missiles in the internal compartments will allow 2-3 vehicles to deliver a powerful salvo. All that is missing is a means of destruction - if it appears (Hypersonic missile), then the Tu 160 will be able to approach the SUG at 600-800 km at supersonic sound, shoot back and also leave quickly (hiding behind electronic warfare systems from fighter jets) - there is simply nothing to answer him with.
So

Quote: sergant67

Sofa strategists ..... balaboly parasites

Sofa strategists - yes, you are probably right, but balabol is just you, maybe I’m a parasite ...

[Starley from the south]

Quote: 11 black

The 160, the way it is now, can only bomb the igil or make a nuclear apocalypse, but it cannot be used against a technologically developed country either as an anti-ship missile carrier or as a long-range bomber

You do not know the performance characteristics of the missiles that are in service with him or can be installed depending on the target. So, the Tu-160 will be able to reach any object on the territory of our "partners" without even entering the affected area of ​​modern air defense. Therefore, the fighters of these very "partners" accompany our Carcasses whenever possible. It is another matter if we talk about the possibility of intercepting its missiles by missile defense systems. There is work to do here.

[Lucy]

As everyone loves on the couch, fly on supersonic, and even discharge the drum to M = 1.8 - 2.0, and detect the AV.UG, destroy it with P> 0.8 in a dense PSU.

[lukewarm]

Do not listen to them, move on. And why do forums of this kind? There are special ones in medicine there, in electronics. Specialists communicate there. Go to the General Staff. There are no couch strategists. You are already waiting, the pass is ordered.

[guzik007]

to create a plasma cloud generator for him, which will not only hide the plane from radars, but also allow him to fly on hypersound (such a system, the plasma cloud generator has already run in and the results, well, judging by the meager info that broke into the 90s, turned out to be stunning ( the plane flew no worse than a UFO from Hollywood movies + invisibility for radar), the problem
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Rushed pi (OH!), Ren TV vagina on the bumps ......

[lukewarm]

Quote: 11 black

it would not make sense to make such a torment.

We have already had so many fences in my memory and partitioned off that I would not be surprised at anything. If there is no military or technical sense, look for someone's financial interest. And it prevails under our "pragmatic" ideology and policy. After all, profit is the crown of everything, the meaning of life ...

[Knight Rider]

Will the production of new Tu-160M2s begin after 2020? As far as I know, after 160, the "Soviet reserve" was used in the production of the Tu-1992, is it still at the plant?

[Yasen Ping]

so I wonder if they can ???

[g1v2]

Once the task is set above, then they will. Surely longer than planned, more expensive, but will do without a doubt. In our country, the main thing is to assign a task to a subordinate, and how he accomplishes it is his problem, but don’t go to a fortuneteller to accomplish this. Features of mentality.

[guzik007]

Did he still remain at the factory?
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Neither x .... but there is no more. A unique titanium welding chamber was stolen for scrap, young people are working, old people retired without transferring experience, most importantly, all technical documentation was destroyed in the 90s at the request of the Oral Sex Lover Literball Lover

[Basarev]

And yet, the new filling in the old building is somehow rather weak. Outdated aerodynamic solutions will not allow the new filling to reach its full potential. Therefore, I am for a completely new bomb.

[sniper]

Quote: Basarev

. Outdated aerodynamic solutions will not allow ...

It's nice to meet a specialist on the most advanced "aerodynamic solutions" on the site ... I hope you will enlighten us in what the White Swan glider is so hopelessly outdated. And then, general phrases, they somehow carry little meaning ... Do not you think?

[niki233]

[quote = Basarev] And yet, the new filling in the old building is somehow rather weak. Outdated aerodynamic solutions will not allow the new filling to reach its full potential. Therefore, I am for a completely new bomb. set minus the glider passed the test of time and flight and in aviation this is not the last thing and has not yet exhausted all its potential

[Basarev]

In your words, it’s generally supposed to return to the MiG-21 - it’s also time-tested and generally with cool aerodynamics ...

[lukewarm]

Why juggle, exaggerate. Nobody talked about the MiG-21. Moreover, the modernization of the old does not deny the development of the new. Just a new one is needed yesterday, but what is there does not meet modern requirements. But we had 25 years of market!

[Starley from the south]

Quote: Basarev

Outdated aerodynamic solutions will not allow the new filling to reach its full potential.

You are mistaken: old does not mean obsolete. There are things that do not become obsolete over time or very slowly become obsolete. Tu-160 is such an example. Nothing better has been created in the world on this topic. A new electronic filling does not require changes in the aerodynamics of the aircraft, except that in some places there will be a small fairing for a superradar.

[Lucy]

Basarev (4)

.... Outdated aerodynamic solutions ...

What a new term! You are probably an expert not only in the Zhukovsky curves?

[rol19]

Yes, you guys are laughing, now the Strategic Missile Forces have not all 100 chances, but you are talking about tu160. Are you going to fight against dushmans?

[lukewarm]

Is your surname not Khrushchev? He, too, changed aviation for missiles. And what came of it.

[Colleague]

It's only the beginning!!!

[newcomer]

I agree with Mikhalych. everything is going well. our generation 4 technology will light any predator. rush is not needed. there is time for analysis and development of key points that will allow us to reach (parity fa) level 5 parity, which will allow us to bypass the enemy and have a head start in creating the 6th generation.

[Yak28]

If any 4th generation fighter, be it the MiG-29, MiG-31, or the F-15, or the modern air defense system of Russia or the United States, can target and destroy a 5th generation aircraft, be it PAK FA or F-22. do you need a haemorrhage with stealth, or why complicate and make the plane heavier by hiding the weapon in the hull? B-22 Spirit, this will be the finish line. Judging by the photo from our nozzles, it doesn't smell like stealth.

[Forest]

The F-22 glider is good, so it makes no sense to work out the same solutions several times. So we did the Su-27, and with older machines. Stealth reduces the detection range of the aircraft, i.e. will give an opportunity to approach without making a fuss. For example, the MiG-31 can attack the P-37 at a range of up to 300 km, but a F-35 or F-22 due to stealth can approach the 120-160 km and calmly apply its AIM-120 with a range of up to 160 km, shoot down the MiG-31 and go to base. In PAK FA, the front hemisphere has the smallest invisibility as for a machine for gaining dominance in the sky. When the rear hemisphere opens to the enemy, then no stealth systems will help.

[Yak28]

As I understand it, what they themselves tried to make in the form of MiG 1.42 and the Su-47 Berkut turned out to be incompetent and, as a result, the projects were closed. What did the F-22 glider not look good before? And did the factories decide to throw money away? Or just a habit of counting that abroad is better, ineradicable

[Forest]

In fact, the Raptor's glider was never considered bad. It’s just that from the moment of the first flight of the F-22, not a single airplane project began from scratch. The Su-47 had an initially erroneous concept, which proved to be a model. The I-90 projects were aircraft of the 4 ++ generation, there was no question of any drastic decrease in radio stealth.

[yehat]

what nonsense are you talking about? Firstly, the silhouettes of the Pak and f-22 must be similar, because the planes were created for the same tasks, both were created using the SOVIET calculation methodology and a number of published theoretical materials (if you are not aware, the Soviet scientists were the first to speak about the stealth). But the difference between them is also big, it is visible in the silhouettes, because the emphasis is different. F22 is made as a specialized fighter at maximum range, the PAK FA is made heavier, closer to performing front-line missions and further from free hunting and it is more universal.
In connection with these differences in TK, there are a huge number of small differences introduced not by chance, but quite consciously. This also applies to engine nozzles. such as on F22, Sukhoi worked for a long time on the prototypes of the su-27. This is in their publicly available video materials that you did not bother to find. And he could deliver them, but chose others that provide increased maneuverability.
If you looked closely at the aerobatics of the F-22, you would notice that even in spite of the UNJUSTIFIED relief of the aircraft, it is difficult for him to maneuver in a number of situations. This is due to the peculiarities of the compromise between aerodynamics and the requirements of the reflection geometry. The PAK FA also has similar problems, but there are much fewer of them due to such "not cool" nozzles.

[tolyasik0577]

The shape of the glider is dictated by aerodynamics, and not by cost savings or lack of imagination among our designers. "Berkut" did not "fly" due to the lack of structural materials capable of withstanding loads. And stealth has an important role - to notice the plane for 300 km or 50 km. The difference is significant. Or do you doubt the competence of our designers? As for the T-50 and F-22, they are inferior in maneuverability, as well as in speed.

[sinoptic]

Quote: Yak28

Judging by the photo from our nozzles stealth does not smell.

So then the F-35, mind you, the last ovskoy development nozzle is also not flat, but round, like the PAK FA.
So, apparently, there is not much use for these flat nozzles.

These flat nozzles on the F-22 have one single purpose - to cover the IR signature of the nozzles, well, and the flat stream seems to cool faster. For the 80-90s, when the raptor was created, such a solution might have made sense, but now the IR sensors are so sensitive and continue to improve that a flat nozzle will not help.
In the back hemisphere, at night, in industrial designs, detection reaches 80 km., Mind you, approaching radar detection. In the laboratories, I think, there are more interesting samples.

By the way, one large F-35 engine in the IR spectrum phonite is much more than 2 PAK-FA engines, each of which individually is 1.5 times weaker.

[Denis Skiff]

Here is a handsome man.

And the carcass is generally a beautiful bird

[Siberian]

It’s good that in the 90s Ukraine gave us some of Tushet at the expense of debts. After all, they have great potential. And so it would be for metal. let's go.

[tolyasik0577]

Ukrainians, fucking, still answer for their vile betrayal, oh how they answer. and it is not Russia who will punish them, the one to whom they sold themselves will punish, for the traitors are not needed by anyone; the betrayer will betray the second one as well. But you are not Russians, they do not know how to forgive.

[newcomer]

Vadim, excuse me, but we are ahead of the turbines. in terms of vitality, in terms of price, in terms of quality.

[Rostislav]

As for the PAK FA (T-50), it is expected in the video conferencing system in 2017.
“We are planning to receive this plane in 2017 already,” said the commander-in-chief.
In November, the United Engine Corporation reported that "a prototype engine of the second stage (" 30 product) will be ready for 2017, and, accordingly, the first flights with it will be held in 2018 year. "

So "the first flights with it will take place in 2018" or "are we planning to receive this aircraft in 2017"?
The military-industrial complex works, and it pleases. But why deceive ourselves? Or does the commander in chief not know what he is talking about?

[Cobra77]

This, of course, is all good, but I'm afraid there will be no money for this. But in our country, capitalism and the economy are slowly going into a tailspin. It was possible under the Union five-year plan for three years and industrialization for 15 years, and now everything is determined by the price of oil and the dollar exchange rate .... It's a shame that we have come to this.

[servant.]

Quote: Rostislav

As for the PAK FA (T-50), it is expected in the video conferencing system in 2017.

The military-industrial complex works, and it pleases. But why deceive ourselves? Or does the commander in chief not know what he is talking about?

This aircraft should have been delivered to the troops already in 2015 according to statements by officials of all stripes ... now it's 17 years ... then 2x .... yearYes and the number of t-50s has already been reduced to a squadron ....

[Forest]

Nothing was cut, learn to read completely - reduced the first batch.

[Former battalion commander]

It was easy to crush ... but to build or simply TO RESTORE the ruined old oh how difficult ... And how many times Russia will step on the same rake (destroy itself). Is it really a Slavic trait, first to destroy everything in your home, to ruin the deeds and great accomplishments of your ancestors, and then RECOGNIZING from your own delirium to begin to restore everything the SAME as your ancestors did before it ... well, at first it’s a bit wrong, but worse .. But then catching up ... Madmen? Ignoramus? Fools? Is it really indestructible in the Slavs?

[Cobra77]

This is so for everyone, the Slavs and Russians are not unique here. It’s important not only that you get on the rake, it’s important whether you can go further and rise. In the Time of Troubles and in the 18th year of the last century it was an order of magnitude worse, but the result is known. I’m generally silent about the Second World War, there it was already a question of mere survival.

[vo3]

In modern warfare, the most important information component. TU-160 is a concept of the past. Why another golden target. Let's add a bunch of air tankers, though not only for them. This is a cut of money, a step into the past. In this building it can be seen from 1000 km. It is necessary to work on an integrated information field; collection, processing and transmission of information in real time, to improve the computer field For this. It is necessary to include in the field the usual means of destruction from "grads" to "Howitzers", not to mention missiles. Wake up cheers, patriots.

[Cobra77]

All these information fields are good for minor conflicts, without widespread use of electronic warfare, without massive missile strikes at headquarters and communications, without the use of nuclear weapons. It's all cool on paper and in commercials on the internet. But in life everything will be different. It’s me as a person who has worked long hours in communications and communications. As an option, you can watch the war in Ukraine. This is the light version so to speak.

As for the Tu-160, it is for a serious war or demonstrations to partners. And the fact that it will be visible for 1000 km (which is not a fact), it will not help much with a rocket flying for 2500 or more. It is a platform for quick delivery of missiles to a place convenient for launch and more. He has no task of breaking through enemy air defense, cruise missiles will do this from him. At least sometimes you try to think with your head, otherwise most of your comments are an outspoken sketch and complete incompetence.

[sharp-lad]

Are you sure that an informed computer technician will cope with an uninformed paratrooper or marine at a meeting? In my opinion, everything needs to be developed in a balanced manner, and without sharp jerks around. By the way, having launched a missile 3000 kilometers from the target, TU 160 will not be detected by the target itself.

[vo3]

We exchange opinions and draw conclusions. First, about the TU-160. If there is a missile with a range of 3000 km, then why should it have a plane? We are being monitored by AWACS, satellites are spying on us, tracking ground-based DRLO stations, etc. All swans are counted already on the ground. .And if they take off then even more so ... In which Siberia they must be hidden so that it is not visible, and even if such a radius of missiles is enough then ...
About the paratroopers ... The paratrooper does not see very far. Even considering his equipment and equipment, if he is not a computer technician at the same time. The latter, and he may be a paratrooper, has a monitor screen where he sees paratroopers and controls a robot or attack drone, rocket and so on ... But that paratrooper does not see him ... Very primitive ... But I think the outcome is clear.

[servant.]

Quote: sharp-lad By the way, having launched a rocket 3000 kilometers from the target, TU 160 will not be detected by the target itself. [/ Quote

I would like it to be that way, but I'm afraid something is possible only in the war with the Papuans ......

[vo3]

And in the sequel about PAK FA. The fact that it will be superior in close air combat, and on average comparable to F22 and F35 does not mean that it is better than a 5-generation aircraft. In general, you still have to overcome the distance of long-range air combat. And as with integration into the general information field ? THIS IS THE BASIC quality of the aircraft is 5-generation. The Americans more than 10 times modified the software for the F22. And have not yet reached the desired result, therefore its gold price.
And at what level do we have this information field? .... Flies, buzzes, beautiful ... Enough of the soviet approach ...

[Cobra77]

Do you have a sore spot, this "field" or what? It will not win the war, but people and weapons in their hands. More important is training, fighting spirit, coherence and control, and not an uber waffle. Even in the form of "fields". Well, the sketch about the "scoop" looks generally ridiculous and stupid, given the fact that, where, how and with what results this "scoop" fought.

For me personally, a person who uses the word "scoop" to his country and its history is at least an infantile teenager, at the most I think you can guess for yourself.

[sharp-lad]

And the fact that Russia has systems for the destruction-suppression of electronics at decent distances bypassed you? Or a non-working computer with a VERY GOOD PROGRESS erased from the media will give a huge chance of winning? By the way, the F 22 maneuvers very well, and is a worthy opponent in close combat. How strange it looks according to your "purely field" theory, which for some reason is ignored by the likely "partners".

[yehat]

F-22 is not as good as you might think.
Firstly, he has such a fuel supply that there is not much time for air combat
secondly, weapons are very modest.
Thirdly, in maneuverability of the latest 4 ++ combat dryers, it is still inferior enough to be afraid of close combat.
Yes, he maneuvers not bad in comparison with the F-35 or the budget option F-16, but nothing more.

[vo3]

Uzhu77. Georgia, Ukraine, Syria - what conflicts. Local. People with weapons on the battlefield and millions of losses. Imagine a fairy tale in these conflicts: a drone with reference to a digital map displays the coordinates of the target on the screen ISTA. A gun attached to the terrain calculates pointing angles and the second projectile with a 100% probability hits the target. This is a small element of this Fields. And be careful with the ratings.

[sharp-lad]

That is why in the former Yugoslavia the "field workers" famously bombed the emptiness and the Chinese embassy! Do you know about simulators of real goals? What about camouflage?

[Dimon19661]

There is still no engine for PAK FA, and it is doubtful that it will appear in 2016.

[guzik007]

There is still no engine for PAK FA, and it is doubtful that it will appear in 2016.
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He is very cool on these too, so you can tolerate three years before replacement.

[yehat]

no, not cool. It’s only good, but for the role of a modern interceptor, new engines with new qualities are needed.

[yehat]

read the news, the engine is already there, they are testing it at the stand and in 16 they will put it on an experimental aircraft. There is already a version of the drawings for mass production, but in 16 they are expected to be slightly adjusted according to the test results.
It didn’t work very well with the engines - they were delayed for a year and a half from the announced deadlines due to some unofficial problems, however, the period of uncertainty has already been passed.
There is definitely an engine now, there are first reports on the achievement of design parameters.

[Yak28]

A Tu-160 is a good aircraft to attack, but in case of an attack on Russia by NATO countries, approximately 90% of strategic aircraft will be destroyed at airfields. So I don’t think that in case of an attack on Russia, the Tu-160 will play a significant role.

[yehat]

in the event of a NATO attack, the Tu-160 will not have any meaning at all, because the main actions will be either with the use of small rifle and tank units, or there will be nuclear armageddon, the share of which the Tu-160 is no more than 5%. Regardless of the course of hostilities, there will be a dire environmental disaster that will kill everyone. Tu-160 is needed for other cases.

[kostyan77708]

Quote: Yak28

A Tu-160 is a good aircraft to attack, but in case of an attack on Russia by NATO countries, approximately 90% of strategic aircraft will be destroyed at airfields. So I don’t think that in case of an attack on Russia, the Tu-160 will play a significant role.

Well .. to destroy the airfields of strategists, you still have to fly there!

[Yak28]

You heard about missiles, and so they will fly, especially since we have huge holes in the sky, thousands of kilometers. The Russian territory is not closed by air defense, and there is no mention of missile defense, except around Moscow

[yehat]

Well, yes, there are holes, but they are in the desert regions of eastern Siberia. Not a single cruise missile from there will most likely simply reach)))) because 5-6 thousand km have to be flown. If you follow your logic, then the United States also has a huge hole in air defense right above Buenos Aires. Immediately notify the Pentagon!

[servant.]

Quote: kostyan77708
Well .. to destroy the airfields of strategists you still have to fly there! [/ Quote

But what is our continuous air defense zone? At least at every S-300 airfield?

[Old26]

Quote: Sea Wolf

America will never achieve the construction of atomic icebreakers, and much can not be achieved.

But in the same way, Russia cannot achieve the construction of nuclear aircraft carriers in such numbers and with such characteristics as the United States. Pancake. The comments of many comrades are most reminiscent of kindergarten for its level of expression.
There is one non-applicable law of information processing. If you are comparing something, then the characteristics of the machines should be comparable. That is, a machine of one generation and one destination is compared. And for some reason, they forget that the TU-160 was created as an answer to their B-1. And the number of produced V-1 was three times higher than the number of produced TU-160.
Well, the fact that they removed him from the NSF was a threat that became much less with the collapse of the USSR. Machines are in service, and if necessary are used in local wars without prejudice to the aviation components of the strategic nuclear forces. And we are forced to use strategists to destroy the bandits in Syria

[vadimtt]

All this is good, but the new filling in the Tu-160 is not because the old one is so irrevocably outdated or bad, but because it is no longer possible to collect all the old suppliers - there are no others, and the rest are good if the technology is on paper in the archives remained. But after the "opening of the Su-24 flight recorder" doubts torment me that the new filling will be at least as good as the old one. Well, the glider and engines are good and quite suitable for modern tasks, but there is also a problem with technologies, titanium is very capricious in welding and metalworking, and the production was discontinued a long time ago and the old personnel can no longer be collected, well, new ones again on their rakes will learn. There is nothing to be done, "Petrovich effect". Many have already caught this effect, and almost the same Americans are leaders. One story with steam generators for nuclear power plants is worth something, they could not do it themselves (the last "Petrovich" quit already 15 years ago) - as a result, they ordered it in Korea. Our Rosatom is a cut above it.

[kos2910]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Well, why didn’t you please the V-1B Lancer?

Something the Americans themselves are not happy with this miracle, and its value does not exceed the limit. And do you believe in his invisibility? This trough falls with a brick, if the control computer fails - there is no aerodynamics.

[yehat]

Lancer was created for a breakthrough at low altitude
now this tactic is morally outdated, so there is no point in holding on to it for the Americans. Note that the very old B-52 matters more to them. Tu-160 is a slightly different aircraft and as a strategist is much more applicable, and therefore there is no point in urgently removing it. As for the "have" to be used in Syria, I will remind you that there are more than a hundred Tu-22M3. And if the Tu-160 was sent, it means that this particular car was more convenient with the obvious availability of alternatives.

[Lucy]

Do you naively believe that out of the 124hTu-22m3 declared on the Internet, there will be at least 50 combat ready ones?
In Syria, there are no costly targets for operating an ASP with Tu-22m3. Judging by the number of flights FA, AA, - databases in Syria are pouring out a lot of money for Russia!

[vell.65]

About "PAK_DA" one silence. Aren't you ashamed?

[yehat]

what are you speaking about? PAK YES is still at the stage of conceptual designs. There is a problem in formulating the correct terms of reference, perhaps it is even more difficult than making the plane itself.

[Lexus]

Tu160 component of the nuclear triad. I do not see any breakthrough characteristics in comparison with amers (only they have an order of magnitude more B-1). Its task is inflicting unacceptable damage with missiles with exclusively nuclear filling. The fight against AUG is not at all part of his task (bombing in Syria - shooting sparrows for training). Avoiding mining placement makes any mobile systems especially valuable.
The problem is that we have just about 16 carcasses. But the Tu95 with its subsonic maximum speed is intercepted almost completely. Therefore, we must sculpt as much as we can (if we can).
According to fighter jets, a priori 5 a priori has an advantage over 4, 4+ and other pluses. Expensive only. it is stupid to assert that drying will fly to all raptors of the khan. Yes, we would have to do our afar finally, with mattresses it has been a long time.

The US economy is an order of magnitude stronger than Russia, because of our reserves of oil, they have a world-wide printing press. On the sun they spend an order of magnitude more than we do. And we are in the role of catching up with a constant asymmetric response.

[Lexus]

But there is a plus in catching up - where they spend billions on development, we lick for millions. Only this is a dead end.
Unfortunately, there is simply no money for PAK YES. Three times the price of oil pushed back many projects. The price of oil is the result of a war against us. Mattresses s.volochki when necessary are very effective. Underestimating them is stupid and dangerous.

[yehat]

we are not licking anything, it is they licking.
what Americans have for us is interesting - avionics and something in the engines,
none of this came to us. And even if it gets, for example, AFAR, we will not make a copy of it, if only because there is no access to the element base.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Basarev

And yet, the new filling in the old building is somehow rather weak. Outdated aerodynamic solutions

real nonsense of people who naively think that the laws of aerodynamics can be pushed back and infinitely increase the speed of the aircraft by changing the shape of its glider.
In the form of gliders to achieve maximum speed, everything was squeezed back in the 20th century.
Now the speed can be increased only through the use of new ultralight and at the same time superstrong materials as well as inventing new engines based on new operating principles.

[Olfred]

the right cars! the filling is modern, it means even more possibilities. I’m waiting for PAK YES, but for now it’s not there, let Tu-160M2 take vacant seats

[kirpich]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

Tu-160, The White Swan - the pinnacle of strategic aviation. America will never achieve this.

Well, about the summit, I would not rush ... The potential is there, and it is growing. You look, in a few years, a handsome man - a pet of the "White Swan" will fly into the sky ...
And maybe now it’s already tearing into the sky ...

[Mama_Cholli]

I have nothing against the text and meaning of the article. Glad for our military, who are worthy of flying the very best aircraft in the world.

Pisi: The statement of the Commander-in-Chief was also encouraging: “We plan to receive this aircraft in 2017 already.”
Reminded of the construction of the phrase of Master Yoda of the Jedi Order from Lucas' Star Wars.

[Lexus]

Quote: Rednek1

Everyone forgets that the resource of nuclear charges is, at best, 10-15 years, so this plane can please the flight of "lovers of antiquity" who spit saliva every time this trough takes off ...

This is where such a stupid read?
Shelf life of course there is but not at all 10-15 years. Also in Russia there are specialists, technologies and opportunities to make new ones. Yes, and modernization - avionics and the possibility of using new weapons.
Russia is not svidomnya to put the old stuffing on new missiles))
The plane is certainly not new, but in its niche it is no worse than Amers B-1a, B1b (low-altitude flight for the strategist is somehow doubtful, and even flying over the ocean is close to a likely partner))) and is superior in many respects. Only a few of them.
And it’s not enough, because Svidomo cut them for mattress candy wrappers (we offered to buy for 250 million and cut the pan-and-leg ones for 75. It’s significant even how they cut - at the direction of the newest ones) it’s a pity they had so much left during the partition (and indeed left everything at that time is the newest)
And you have to be full Svidomo so that for 20 years everything is about .. to fuck. And now the pan went over the head. Look, soon you will cook food on coals and say - tse in European style.

[Filxnumx]

Quote: Baikal

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

By many characteristics up to Tu-160 does not reach...

And as said is consistent with ...

Quote: Vadim237

US turbine firms us lot are ahead

It turns out that they are far ahead, before doing something clearly superior to them stupidly breaking? Like - this is not a lordly thing?)
You decide - either smart or beautiful. And then both are as if pregnant, but a little

But there is nothing brain-breaking for Russians in this situation. We are just, roughly speaking, .ovna (although our dviguns are only inferior in terms of noise and consumption, here avionics can be) we can make candy, but the Americans do not. They only have this. It turns out even from good components.

[galact]

If you hurry, you can drown out the idea. It is necessary that the will be to victory.

[spy008]

Quote: bad

I really want to live up to the brand new TU-160 ..

Do not say - you want it so much! But I'm afraid I won’t reach the PAK FA - I’ll die from a nervous breakdown . Well, about five years old as if on needles: just about, next year, etc., etc. - Hurry up!
And with TU 160 - everything will be fine too: they overtook the enemy, they put the foe on the ass, - there is time for maneuver. While they will understand the performance characteristics of the new TU: can the Russians create something for the track or not, it will appear, just as unexpectedly as the "caliber"

[room27]

S N.G. keep calm all the time))))

[leon1204id]

Well, people said that they think, and immediately minus. So from the experiences of Russia.
Upgrading the TU-160y is not from a good life. Initially, it was conceived as high-speed, for the breakthrough of the then air defense. The nuclear triad crumbles and crumbles, at least in aviation. High-precision missiles will appear with a range of 10000 and 5-10mah, they are looking for a way out in high orbit so that it does not burn out ahead of time.
Stealth technologies will not catch up with the development of detection tools and, accordingly, destruction. This will be a solid electronic warfare. Is everything possible, for example, they read about radio photonics? (Http://www.arms-expo.ru/news/novye_razrabotki/istrebitel_t_50_budet_osnashchen_r
adiofotonnym_radarom_razrabotki_kret /).
What about the promises of officials? Wait and see.
http://www.arms-expo.ru/analytics/gosudarstvo/razoruzhennaya-ekonomika/
Happy New Year to all!