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In China, rolled out the first pre-production sample J-20

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On the airfield of the Chinese aircraft company Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group (CAIG) in Chengdu 25 December, the first pre-production model of the X-Numx generation fighter J-5 was rolled out, the blog bmpd with reference to the Chinese spotter.


In China, rolled out the first pre-production sample J-20


The car has an airborne number 2101, and should take to the air in the coming days.



According to the blogger, “the roll-out of the aircraft was made just a month after the flight tests of the eighth J-20 prototype (board number" 2017 ") began in Chengdu." That is, this machine is the 9-m flight model.



"The first flight prototype of the J-20 fighter (tail number" 2001 ") of the CAIG development and construction made the first flight to Chengdu 11 January 2011, and the second prototype (tail number" 2002 ") - in May 2012. They were followed by prototypes with onboard numbers "2011" (first flight in March 2014 of the year), "2012" (July 2014 of the year), "2013" (November 2014 of the year), "2015" (December of 2014 of the year) and "2016" (September 2015 of the year), ”the author reports.

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china-defense.blogspot.com
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  1. pts-m
    pts-m 28 December 2015 12: 19 New
    15
    about tse klopts already and letak printed on a 3D printer. prompt, beast.
    1. cniza
      cniza 28 December 2015 12: 39 New
      +5
      The color is of course chicken, but we’ll observe what it is that you don’t understand.
      1. Iline
        Iline 28 December 2015 13: 20 New
        12
        The color is chicken-like in all aircraft (and ours too) until the end of the flight after leaving the assembly. Well, or greenish - yellow as before (anodized aluminum on the fuselage).
        At the end of the flight program, planes roll up for painting.
        And the proportions are really weird. Interesting - we with the Chinese uniquely interpret the requirements for fifth-generation aircraft? Or do they have their own opinion on this topic? Judging by the photographs, yes.
      2. NIKNN
        NIKNN 28 December 2015 20: 12 New
        +4
        Quote: cniza
        The color is of course chicken, but we’ll observe what it is that you don’t understand.

        Something like a 5th generation aircraft, only judging by the PGO, invisibility does not work and they decided to create invisibility separately ATD-X (the last one in the picture) and shifters as far as I know their problems ... request
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    3. vodolaz
      vodolaz 28 December 2015 12: 57 New
      +2
      The plane is strange, to be honest, let's see what happens. It’s too early to draw conclusions.
      1. Yuriy3005
        Yuriy3005 28 December 2015 13: 11 New
        +4
        an airplane is like an airplane. in the spirit of new trends. Glider to do this is only a third of the power, the question is how to saturate it. Engines, avionics, hydraulics. armament ... engines according to any of our 27 Dryers, which means one of the main requirements of 5th generation aircraft, the afterburner sonic cruising flight, has not been fulfilled. Further, AFAR is extremely unlikely, a prototype is in the best case, which will be brought up for another 5 years. So let the Chinese better make 27 clones and buy 35. They have a long time to finish "their" plane
      2. zennon
        zennon 28 December 2015 18: 42 New
        0
        Quote: vodolaz
        The plane is strange, to be honest

        Yes, it’s huge. Or does it seem to me like that?
    4. Amnestied
      Amnestied 28 December 2015 13: 35 New
      +4
      Quote: PTS-m
      about tse klopts already and letak printed on a 3D printer. prompt, beast.

      Without Russian engines will not take off.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 28 December 2015 21: 51 New
        0
        Quote: Amnestied
        Quote: PTS-m
        about tse klopts already and letak printed on a 3D printer. prompt, beast.

        Without Russian engines will not take off.

        So I wanted to know what the pre-production means?
        That is, the problem of engines, avionics, radar with AFAR is solved, or am I missing something?
  2. fregina1
    fregina1 28 December 2015 12: 20 New
    +6
    Yellow like all Chinese! Without engines, this is not the fifth generation! They want a lot, they do a lot .... but .... not the fifth! Do not copy ....... not that!
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 28 December 2015 12: 22 New
      42
      they do not quite copy, they combine the created decisions, which is the principle soundly, in the absence of the talented Tsiolkovsky and Korolevs, with Tupolev.

      And so they immediately stepped through several generations of technology, without having their own. It costs a lot.

      So your skepticism is premature. 20 years ago, no one could imagine that the Chinese army would be what it is now.

      Moreover, they are competitors in the arms market. MANPADS are sold, aircraft, air defense systems, locators, tanks ...
      China, Carl, China drives us to markets. Another couple of decades at such a pace and ...

      + judging by the competitions ala biathlon tank and competitions of special forces in the same Jordan - there is a Chinese school and it is quite strong. It’s better to overdo it than overdo it.

      + Intelligence works professionally.
      + a sufficient amount of money for games in geopolitics.

      Everything is serious enough. China has become a serious competitor in 20 years.

      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 28 December 2015 12: 35 New
        +7
        Quote: c-Petrov
        20 years ago no one could imagine that the Chinese army would be what it is now

        And what is "such"? So far, only beautiful photos. On the one hand, of course, progress is obvious. And on the other ... in the 80-s also thought about Korean cars. Like, now they are about to capture the entire market, so that the Germans will feel bad. 35 years passed ... did not capture ... But they chopped off their niche. And 10 years ago also talked about the Chinese auto industry. Something he didn’t particularly capture. There is little ability to copy. Here we need something more. Traditions. Experience. Soul to invest. And time.
        1. tchoni
          tchoni 28 December 2015 15: 40 New
          0
          Come on, “they didn’t capture” .... The cheapest cars in Russia are already Chinese ..... The percentage in the budget segment is huge ... So all that saves us is the low ruble exchange rate to the renminbi ...
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 28 December 2015 15: 55 New
            +2
            It’s cheap, but there’s no hype anyway, they’re more likely to take from hopelessness, everything is better than walking.
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          3. Alex_59
            Alex_59 28 December 2015 21: 53 New
            +1
            Quote: tchoni
            Come on, "not captured" .... The cheapest cars in Russia are already Chinese ..... The percentage in the budget segment is awesome ...

            In 2014, 387 307 LADA cars were sold (1 place)
            The closest Chinese rival Lifan sold 23 619 cars (21 place).
            The next Chinese Geely sold 18 828 cars (28 place).

            Percentage in the budget segment? In my opinion, before writing, you must at least google it.
        2. dauria
          dauria 28 December 2015 15: 48 New
          0
          There is little ability to copy. Here we need something more. Traditions. An experience.


          In vain you are so. It’s even harder to copy than your own
          blind. And they have already done “something more”. They have plants from ore to a rocket engine, they have education and specialists from a turner to a designer. Yes, and they do not copy, look at the rockets and planes, they take something from everyone that has paid off, so it should be done. Soon they will come forward and both ours and the Americans will peep and “copy” them.
      2. Red_Hamer
        Red_Hamer 28 December 2015 16: 13 New
        0
        they don’t quite copy - they compile :))
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 28 December 2015 12: 36 New
      +7
      Americans also once spoke of Japanese cars. What happened then you, I think, know. By the way, they are also yellow ...
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 28 December 2015 13: 39 New
        0
        Quote: NordUral
        Americans also once spoke of Japanese cars. What happened then you, I think, know.
        The Japanese are a little different. The Japanese also have a good tradition in the auto industry. Work with 40x. Plus, the Americans merged themselves (missed several turns at once in the changing picture of the market).
        In the case of the Chinese and Korean automobile industries, the Germans and Japanese were not going to merge. Neither the Chinese nor the Korean auto industry has reached the level of Japan or Germany.
  3. Jozhkin Cat
    Jozhkin Cat 28 December 2015 12: 21 New
    +2
    some hoopoe excuse me ... what The view from the cockpit was very good.
    1. YURIY888
      YURIY888 29 December 2015 20: 41 New
      0
      the taste and color .... but I like
  4. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 28 December 2015 12: 21 New
    0
    The paint is cheerful ...
    1. kamski
      kamski 28 December 2015 12: 32 New
      +1
      It is not painted; it is made of some kind of polymeric materials. If you look at our assembly, it’s also that no metal of this color
      1. Mik13
        Mik13 28 December 2015 13: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: kamski
        It is not painted; it is made of some kind of polymeric materials. If you look at our assembly, it’s also that no metal of this color

        This is just metal. Aluminum alloy in primer. It is the primer that has such a color.
  5. pavelty
    pavelty 28 December 2015 12: 25 New
    +4
    C'mon, you ... how can they do it, well done on the other hand ... and that yellow is probably not painted yet
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 28 December 2015 12: 39 New
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      Quote: pavlentiy
      C'mon, you ... how can they do it, well done on the other hand ... and that yellow is probably not painted yet


      This is the color of the anti-corrosion coating (primer), on which the main paint is then applied. We also often roll out aircraft in this form.


      Su-35С during the assembly process at KnAAZ


      Superjet-100 at the factory airfield in Komsomolsk


      In general, at the factory airfield in Chengdu, you can see a lot of interesting things.
      1. Warrior of Russia
        Warrior of Russia 28 December 2015 13: 02 New
        +2
        A competent answer! )))))
  6. chikenous59
    chikenous59 28 December 2015 12: 26 New
    10
    It began again, gentlemen?
    Just to groan, and it doesn’t matter if this is a Chinese device or a domestic T-50
    1. Jozhkin Cat
      Jozhkin Cat 28 December 2015 12: 30 New
      +3
      yes no, what are you, we are extremely happy that we have sparsely populated land next to such a neighbor, and this neighbor, ska such, is tying technology with us sad
      1. 0255
        0255 28 December 2015 12: 51 New
        +6
        Quote: chikenous59
        It began again, gentlemen?
        Just to groan, and it doesn’t matter if this is a Chinese device or a domestic T-50

        According to many commentators, all weapons not made in Russia are exclusively cut and failed projects in advance laughing Remember how many comments with such content were recently written in articles about the 5th generation Japanese fighter or the F-35 assembly in Japan.
        Quote: Jozhkin the Cat
        yes no, what are you, we are extremely happy that we have sparsely populated land next to such a neighbor, and this neighbor, ska such, is tying technology with us sad

        That's it! Interestingly, the J-20 is not a project of MiG MFI-2003, a competitor to the T-50 from Sukhoi Design Bureau?
        1. Warrior of Russia
          Warrior of Russia 28 December 2015 13: 06 New
          +2
          If we look at the latest weapons of the Chinese army, it is surprisingly reminiscent of what was previously known))) However, it is worth recognizing that copies are made very quickly, although the quality of the originals is inferior))))
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 28 December 2015 14: 21 New
            +1
            Quote: Russian warrior
            If we look at the latest weapons of the Chinese army, it is surprisingly reminiscent of what was previously known))) However, it is worth recognizing that copies are made very quickly, although the quality of the originals is inferior))))

            The Chinese skillfully compile. And under the contour of one machine there may be completely different equipment. You look at the missiles, there are both our P-15s and the French Krotali, in short, from whom they bought in single copies or pulled off intelligence. And then everything is brought to Chinese standards, Chinese electronics are installed . And the whole sample is ready, it remains only to bring it. There are a lot of foreign firms there. When I worked, a lot of equipment was purchased in China and what was produced at state factories is of decent quality and has the mark "Made in China". What is produced near the factories is a frank marriage, and for such markings they can smear their foreheads with greens, for undermining the STATE PRESTIGE,
  7. kamski
    kamski 28 December 2015 12: 28 New
    +2
    China is developing, a matter of time and engines will be better than ours and filling. Well done
    1. YURIY888
      YURIY888 29 December 2015 20: 43 New
      0
      I fully support you!
  8. raketnik
    raketnik 28 December 2015 12: 29 New
    +8
    but in principle, the bell is alarming .... and everyone ... I hope our intelligence tracks the life path of these objects
  9. chikenous59
    chikenous59 28 December 2015 12: 29 New
    12
    Quote: kamski
    China is developing, a matter of time and engines will be better than ours and filling. Well done

    Do not say so, or some experts will happen what is depicted in my previous post.
    Do not injure the psyche.
    Better say that no one in aviation technology will ever catch up with us and get the pluses))
  10. chikenous59
    chikenous59 28 December 2015 12: 35 New
    +5
    Quote: Jozhkin the Cat
    yes no, what are you, we are extremely happy that we have sparsely populated land next to such a neighbor, and this neighbor, ska such, is tying technology with us sad

    And if not tyr?)) We know what is covered in the media. And if the Chinese scientists themselves make some kind of scientific discovery? Master the aviation industry.
    Do you categorically refuse to accept this option?
    1. Jozhkin Cat
      Jozhkin Cat 28 December 2015 12: 50 New
      +4
      Of course, they themselves can, having unlearned in Russia, the USA, Europe. Purchasing 5 samples of weapons from everyone who sells.
      Look at what they did to the French and Japanese during the construction of the railway, they are a cunning painter.
      My personal opinion, although it does not bother anyone, cannot be interacted with in the technological sphere, categorically not, especially in the field of energy and defense.
    2. Pajamas
      Pajamas 28 December 2015 13: 10 New
      0
      Quote: chikenous59
      Quote: Jozhkin the Cat
      yes no, what are you, we are extremely happy that we have sparsely populated land next to such a neighbor, and this neighbor, ska such, is tying technology with us sad

      And if not tyr?)) We know what is covered in the media. And if the Chinese scientists themselves make some kind of scientific discovery? Master the aviation industry.
      Do you categorically refuse to accept this option?

      Scientists master the industry?
      "Excuse me? Who was standing on whom?" (c)

      Quote: chikenous59
      Do you categorically refuse to accept this option?

    3. Warrior of Russia
      Warrior of Russia 28 December 2015 13: 10 New
      +2
      Chinese scientists know their business, but there is still such a thing as know-how, and here already knowledge and experience will not always help, this is from insight from above. Our scientists have proved their genius many times by making breakthrough discoveries, but in the implementation of new ideas we are still inferior to the same Chinese specialists!
      1. Pajamas
        Pajamas 28 December 2015 18: 55 New
        0
        Quote: Russian warrior
        Chinese scientists know their business, but there is still such a thing as know-how, and here already knowledge and experience will not always help, this is from insight from above. Our scientists have proved their genius many times by making breakthrough discoveries, but in the implementation of new ideas we are still inferior to the same Chinese specialists!

        Give an example.
  11. dima1970
    dima1970 28 December 2015 12: 44 New
    +2
    If everything is so miraculous, why buy a Su-35?
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 28 December 2015 17: 49 New
      0
      to rip off more and innovate thoughts to find out.
    2. YURIY888
      YURIY888 29 December 2015 20: 44 New
      0
      For further advancement ...
  12. agfa
    agfa 28 December 2015 12: 47 New
    10
    Take it easy. Normal plane. Well done and promising, well done - well done, because this is a platform that will be finished for a long time and will be exploited for a long time. Like our MIG-31 is approximately (from the 25th sawn. For protection against the mass of cruise missiles and for long-distance control of Taiwan and the entire surrounding area, it’s enough for the eyes. And the engine will be made or bought from us of the 1st stage, after entering our 2nd stage on the T-50 and it’s enough for cruising supersonic sound. The Americans will immediately feel themselves “naked” in the South China Sea. They do not like the superiority of aviation opponents and will never go to conflict without the superiority of the aircraft component
  13. Wolka
    Wolka 28 December 2015 13: 02 New
    -4
    Well, the glider was ripped off, yes, but without our engines this is a miracle of the Chinese aviation industry for a long time they will ride around the airfield ...
  14. Waiting on the beach
    Waiting on the beach 28 December 2015 13: 04 New
    -3
    There is such a saying, the ugly one does not fly. The Chinese are trying to refute it.
  15. WHEEL
    WHEEL 28 December 2015 13: 09 New
    -4
    Quote: kamski
    China is developing, a matter of time and engines will be better than ours and filling. Well done

    in electronics, we are compared to China in the Stone Age ... one of what is worth a turkey shot down by the Turks, disgrace.
    1. shans2
      shans2 28 December 2015 15: 10 New
      0
      urkain in general, what side to Russia and its achievements? bully
    2. 0255
      0255 28 December 2015 16: 11 New
      0
      Quote: WHEEL
      Quote: kamski
      China is developing, a matter of time and engines will be better than ours and filling. Well done

      in electronics, we are compared to China in the Stone Age ... one of what is worth a turkey shot down by the Turks, disgrace.

      Are there better black boxes on Ukrainian Su-24? laughing
  16. chikenous59
    chikenous59 28 December 2015 13: 14 New
    -1
    Quote: Pajama
    Quote: chikenous59
    Quote: Jozhkin the Cat
    yes no, what are you, we are extremely happy that we have sparsely populated land next to such a neighbor, and this neighbor, ska such, is tying technology with us sad

    And if not tyr?)) We know what is covered in the media. And if the Chinese scientists themselves make some kind of scientific discovery? Master the aviation industry.
    Do you categorically refuse to accept this option?

    Scientists master the industry?
    "Excuse me? Who was standing on whom?" (c)

    Quote: chikenous59
    Do you categorically refuse to accept this option?


    Is industry taken from scratch? If we consider the manufacture of its own technology, then it definitely needs to be developed. To get the technology you need equipment. Rather, I understood scientists as an engineering staff. Designers, technologists.
    1. Pajamas
      Pajamas 28 December 2015 18: 59 New
      0
      Quote: chikenous59
      Is industry taken from scratch? If we consider the manufacture of its own technology, then it definitely needs to be developed. To get the technology you need equipment. Rather, I understood scientists as an engineering staff. Designers, technologists.

      So they would have written, otherwise you will agree, nonsense came out.
  17. Pollang
    Pollang 28 December 2015 13: 34 New
    +2
    you can say anything but the Chinese do, make mistakes again, in the end, you can get a decent device.
  18. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 28 December 2015 15: 11 New
    0
    Yellow is a duralumin coating. The 5th generation should have about 30% of composite surfaces. To our T50, there are claims that they are also few about 18%. And the Chinese are not visible at all. And invisibility in the radar range directly depends on this.
  19. lilian
    lilian 28 December 2015 15: 58 New
    0
    In China they do, and in Russia they do.
    Important question: how fast? And the speed of new developments seems to depend on only resources.
    For example, according to the announced terms of the projects, the Chinese will send the astronaut to the moon before Russia and earlier will have a multi-module space station. I feel so sorry for space.
  20. Rielt
    Rielt 28 December 2015 16: 37 New
    0
    As for the generation of this aircraft, there are many questions .. Partly yes .. also the EPR is not known for certain. There is also information that they use our 4th generation engines (AL-31FN) and are only going to put ours from su35 there. A contract that has already been signed for 24 Su-35 and an additional certain number of engines. When they are put in, then in principle it even more or less corresponds to the 5th generation .. but for now its characteristics are modest .. It is also unclear what the avionics stands for. In general, the Chinese are moving at a fast pace in updating their equipment and modernizing the military-industrial complex .. but the process is still long. But their funding is huge and the pace of high development is very.
  21. antiexpert
    antiexpert 28 December 2015 16: 41 New
    -2
    Is he waiting for the fate of the Chinese lunar rover?
  22. fa2998
    fa2998 28 December 2015 17: 43 New
    0
    Quote: chikenous59
    . And if the Chinese scientists themselves make some kind of scientific discovery? Master the aviation industry.

    Something sharply wiser. Even 10 years ago they copied foreign equipment, and both have already EXCEEDED Russia in creating a 5th generation aircraft. If we built 5 cars and they are already 8! No one thinks this is a fake. Maybe an ordinary plane, for example 4 ++. And the fifth one doesn't smell! lol hi
    1. Oleg16661
      Oleg16661 28 December 2015 20: 21 New
      0
      And where does "overtake Russia"? what
      If we build 100 pieces of T-50, which will fall apart right at the airfields, will this mean that we have overtaken China?
      And here is the number of aircraft? Each country has its own methods of testing new weapons. 5 devices are enough for someone, and 20 will be not enough for someone.
  23. lilian
    lilian 28 December 2015 17: 45 New
    0
    Certainly not enough power engines Su-27? Indeed, constant supersonic sound is provided not only by them but also by the placement of weapons in the fuselage.