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The last flight of the Bulgarian MiG-21

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On December 18, 2015, the MiG-21 supersonic fighters, armed with the Bulgarian Air Force, soared for the last time into the sky. The last three combat-ready vehicles of this type carried combat duty to protect the country's airspace on the 3rd aviation Bulgarian Air Force Base (near Graf-Ignatiev). On MiG-21bis aircraft, Major Plamen Djurov (board No. 114) and cap. Alexander Stykov (board number 243). On the MiG-21UM spark (board number 28), a cap. Peter Dimitrov and Commander-in-Chief of the Bulgarian Air Force Gen.-Major Rumen Radev. In the eyes of the assembled veterans, journalists and citizens, the 21st unit worked out a complex of tactical air maneuvers - intercepts and typical attacks of air targets. Major Dzhurov performed aerobatics. At the end of the demonstration, a troika of planes flew in closed formation over the assembled people. The landing MiGs were greeted with an honorable salute from the crossed streams of water guns of two fire engines.


The technical resource of the vehicles ends 31 December 2015. From the first day of the new, 2016, year, the MiG-21 are transferred to the operational reserve of the Bulgarian Air Force. Aircraft will be maintained in readiness for flight. The pilots and the trained engineering staff for them still have Bulgaria. But because of the exhausted technical resource regular flights to these machines are no longer foreseen.


50 years of the MiG-21 in the service of Bulgaria


12 November 1963 Cap. Ivan Bedrozov became the first Bulgarian pilot to guard the sky of the country on the MiG-21F-13 aircraft. The first aircraft of this type (product 74) in Bulgaria received the 19 th Fighter Aviation Regiment (IAP) stationed in Graf-Ignatiev. The planes were assembled at the Moscow plant No. XXUMX (“Banner of Labor”) from the 30 and 10 production batches. Later, some of them were transferred to the 12 th reconnaissance air regiment (rap) in the town of Tolbukhin (now Dobrich). They mounted intelligence cameras "AFA-26", and the machines were designated MiG-39F-21Р. In January, 13 1965 MiG-12PF (ed. 21) received the 76 Squadron 2-oiap (Gabrovnica). In 18, eight of these machines, already with the MiG-1988PFR index, replaced the out-of-life MiG-21F-21Р in 13-оpp in Tolbukhin. In 26, the 1965 th iap (Ravnets) received the 15 MiG-12PFM (ed. 21A), and in 94-1977. - More 1978 such aircraft. In 36-1969 1970-iap (Graf-Ignatievo) received 19 MiG-15M. After the new cars were run in and mastered by Bulgarian pilots, some of them were handed over to 21-iap (Uzundzhovo). In 21, the 1969 th rap (Tolbukhin) received the 26 MiG-6P (ed. 21P) - a reconnaissance version of the MiG-94PFM. From August 21 to October 1974 d. 1975 th iap (Dobroslavtsi, 18 th esk. - Gabrovnitsa) received 2 MiG-20МФ. In 21 they were transferred to 1978-iap (Graf-Ignatievo), and in 19-1983. - 1984-iap (Uzundzhovo). These airplanes guarded the sky of the People’s Republic of Bulgaria and the southern European frontiers of the Warsaw Treaty Organization (ATS) until the collapse of the USSR in 21.

The Bulgarian Air Force received the first "Mongol" (NATO designation Sparky MiG-21U) in 1966. One piece (ed. 66-400) was divided into three. It was used alternately by 15, 18, and 19. In 1969-1970 The country has received 5 sparks MiG-21US (ed. 68A), produced at the plant number 31 in Tbilisi. In 1974-1982 The Bulgarian Air Force received 27 new Sparks MiG-21UM (ed. 69), and in 1990, another 6 used cars from the “excess” aircraft fleet of the USSR Air Force found themselves overnight.

15 December The 1983 of the new MiG-12bis flew into the Graf-Ignatievo 21. In 1984, the 19-iap received another 18 machine of this type, and in 1985 - the last five, which served until 2015. ), Balchik, Ravnets, Uzundzhov, Dobroslavtsi, Gabrovnitsa and Kamenets passed 20 pieces of various modifications of MiG-226 aircraft. In Bulgaria, the plane gained fame as a “strict” and demanding car, not tolerating freedom and pilot error. Over the 21 years of operating these aircraft in the country, there have been 52 accidents with it.

12 November 2013 in the already NATO aviation base in Bulgaria, named after Russian Count Nikolai Pavlovich Ignatiev, an Orthodox Pan-Slavist, diplomat, minister and member of the State Council of the Russian Empire, held a solemn ceremony on the occasion of the 50 anniversary of the MiG-21 in Bulgaria. The current Bulgarian Defense Minister Nikolai Nenchev would have been easier to donate half of his blood than to repeat such a truly national holiday. To the joy of their overseas owners, Nenchev ordered not to hold any ceremonies, and to prevent citizens, journalists and even veterans from the last flight of the MiG-21 on the base in Graf-Ignatiev. According to the plan of the former sergeant of the construction battalion and the current Minister of Defense of Bulgaria, this flight was to take place like any other everyday task.

But can a single minister, even the most compliant, corrupt and invertebrate, be able to resist the whole Slavic and Orthodox Bulgarian people? The struggle of the Bulgarian people with the Western European pro-Atlantic clique hostile to them is going on with varying success. In contrast to the predetermined “bargaining” for the repair and modernization of the Bulgarian MiG-29 in Poland, this time the victory was ours. Our cause is just, and in the end we will definitely win!

An open letter from Bulgarian journalists to the Minister of Defense Nikolay Nenchev (in Bulgarian):

MR. MINISTER, EMPTY THE JOURNALISM YES SHOOT LATEST FLIGHT TO PLANE-LEGEND MIG-21

At the edges on Dekamvri, the Graf Ignatiev air base, the last flight of the MiG-21 in the Bulgarian sky had been idyllic.
D'lboko was confused, that of a comrade who was historically related to the BBC, for the army, for the aviation community and for the sake of Bulgaria, for the benefit of the Presidential Authority for the Ministry of Defense of journalists.

Dear Mr. Minister Nenchev,
neka not politizirame historians. Yes, the aircraft is Russian, endorsements, and the reporting of facts is in disagreement with your political convictions, but the question of fact from the historian to the Bulgarian nationalist is co-operative, which is no longer the benefit of a generation.

They are journalist and photo reportable know both 2 and 200. Do not punish but cure kato kuchete before the fence on NATO's air base or shoot and write ottam.

And this is the rule история, but it’s a bitter taste — both for you and for us!

All of the MiG-21 packs served at the Bulgarian 53 Godini Aviation Meeting!


Ready for flight!



Take off



These are Russian airplanes



Salute from water guns



Farewell inscriptions on the fuselage



XX century aircraft
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  1. Magic archer
    Magic archer 30 December 2015 06: 25
    +7
    Aircraft-Legend! Where only I have not fought, where only I haven’t visited! His peers have long been retired, except that the Phantoms and Mirages have remained in some places, but they will soon find a place in museums hi
  2. Kir1984
    Kir1984 30 December 2015 06: 40
    +7
    my favorite fighter smile
    1. NIKNN
      NIKNN 7 January 2016 17: 36
      +5
      I am joining! 14 years flew on it ... Already tears welling up ... sad
  3. Alex_59
    Alex_59 30 December 2015 07: 08
    +8
    The sad news. The MiG-21 Bulgarian Air Force were in perfect condition even after overhaul.
    1. Magic archer
      Magic archer 30 December 2015 07: 12
      +8
      Nice picture good It is a pity that the Bulgarians follow the lead of the amerikosov. Even the MiG-29 was decided to modernize with the help of the Poles. The next time these "brothers" betray us ...
      1. pytar
        pytar 30 December 2015 10: 40
        21
        You only dream of "betrayal"! There is nothing of the kind with the MiG-29 repair contract! Normal competition! Negotiations with the MiG Corp. on the repair of the MiG-29 were held with varying success for several years. In the leadership of the Bulgarian War Ministry, there was no clarity on the fate of Migov. Opinions differed, and Mig-i .. rusted ... Dengi was not being repaired all the time. The management of the "MiG" company made several proposals in different variants and price terms. Unfortunately, they turned out to be unacceptable mainly due to the high cost. A long-standing weakness of Russian companies is the lack of flexibility and slow response to changes in competitive conditions. Ultimately, the contract was won by a Polish competitor - the Polish state military factories WZL-2 and WZL-4. The terms of the contract they proposed turned out to be very beneficial for the Bulgarian side. They are complex and even credit conditions are provided exclusively for Bulgarians. It is known that the Polish side agreed to unprecedented discounts. Ksati, the Polish company has been repairing Polish MiGs for many years, so it has proven experience. In the conditions of repair included all the necessary actions for the restoration of Migah and the subsequent maintenance of these machines. The Poles themselves have significant reserves of spare parts accumulated in warehouses back in the times of the Internal Affairs Directorate and even engines in sufficient quantity. Of all the countries of the former OVD, Poland has the largest warehouse stock in spare parts and materials for the maintenance of Soviet military equipment. They are now modernizing 16 of their MiG-29A on avionics. They make themselves at the Wojskowe Zaklady Lotnicze 2 (WZL-2) plant in Bydgoszcz. The modernization of the onboard equipment includes the installation of a MIL-STD-1553B data bus, INSB-29, AVB-29 and HDB-29 interfaces, a 127 x 102 mm color multifunctional indicator, an MDP task planning computer, an EGI navigation system (including an inertial laser system and equipment GPS with built-in SAASM module), digital video recorder, camera and flight data collection computer. The second dual-band UHF / VHF radio station with the HaveQuick I / II and SATURN coding system and the new PS-COM-01 panel of the R-862 radio station are also being installed. Repairs and upgrades should extend the lifespan of these machines until 2028. Do not underestimate the capabilities of the Polish counterparties and, in general, the quality of the Polish craftsmen. By the information in the Polish Air Force the accident rate is lower than that of the Russian Air Force.
        1. 97110
          97110 30 December 2015 11: 58
          +1
          Quote: pytar
          You only dream of "betrayal"!

          Do you consider the behavior of Bulgaria and its people towards Russia not treacherous? Are you orthodox Or a Jesuit?
          1. pytar
            pytar 30 December 2015 12: 17
            18
            I am Orthodox and I consider such opinions as "yours", born with diseased brains. Moreover, it is not your brain itself, but the brains of those who are somewhere in the West, stubbornly for 20 years already replicating such savagery! Power and people in Bulgaria are completely different things. Look for a Jesuit in your country. There are many of them. Your fifth column has multiplied, which is something strong in recent years.
            1. Alex_59
              Alex_59 30 December 2015 13: 11
              14
              pytar, do not be offended, we have recently, even people with a healthy brain are very excited and inflated. There are reasons for this - after all, it’s NATO climbing and threatening us, and not vice versa. There is something to worry about.
              Essentially, I completely believe in your interpretation of the MiG repair events. Sometimes our Russian bureaucrats can put things this way that even the Poles will do faster and cheaper. This is our misfortune - a fact. And about the accident rate in the Polish Air Force - no need to compare. The Polish Air Force is very small, it’s easier and easier to manage small things. Surely they fly less than ours. In addition, not only the brand-new Su-34 or Su-35, but also standing on the ground in the 90 years at the storage of the Su-24, Su-27, MiG-31, Tu-22 - such a technique breaks down, of course, on the wing. The Poles could probably afford to simply write off everything that they no longer needed after joining NATO. Russia cannot afford this.
              1. Petrol
                Petrol 30 December 2015 15: 52
                +2
                Alex_59
                Do not whine the Bulgarians are not Slavs.
                Khan Asparuh brought Asian Bulgars to the lands of the Slavs and Illyrians when he realized that the people in danger of death decided to make peace with the locals.
                As a sign of good-neighborliness, he changed the name of the people, replacing the Turkic "U" - perpetual motion, with the Slavic "O" - settledness (in short).
                which, in fact, would do well in Ukraine!
                1. Mavrikiy
                  Mavrikiy 3 January 2016 05: 36
                  +2
                  Alex_59, I will delight you with a fantastic perspective. Correct the nationality in the passport to "Russian", having lost one "s". Then add the type "This is Russian" and ask the Italians for citizenship as a legal descendant of the Etruscans. At the same time, you will lose "O" settledness.
                  1. Mavrikiy
                    Mavrikiy 4 January 2016 10: 07
                    +2
                    Dear Alex_59!
                    I probably continued to celebrate New Year yesterday and messed up. The answer was intended of course to Benzin.
            2. 97110
              97110 30 December 2015 16: 39
              0
              Quote: pytar
              The authorities and people in Bulgaria are completely different things.

              The answer is like "myself ...!". The flag is in your hands, dear Bulgarians. You have to pay for everything. And for betrayal too. Don't you think so?
              1. pytar
                pytar 30 December 2015 19: 20
                +6
                Hear numbered ... I believe that ignorance should be punished severely, as well as disinformation! Think it over This is a serial sin!
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          2. Odysseus
            Odysseus 30 December 2015 16: 29
            +9
            Quote: 97110
            Do you consider the behavior of Bulgaria and its people towards Russia not treacherous? Are you orthodox Or a Jesuit?

            In fact, it was the Gorbachev clique that surrendered Bulgaria in 1989 (as well as of all the East European allies), and unlike, say, Poland and Bulgaria, the USSR never had any difficulties in relations.
            Now, unfortunately, little depends on the people of Bulgaria.
            1. 97110
              97110 30 December 2015 16: 49
              +7
              Quote: Odyssey
              Gorbachev clique surrendered Bulgaria in 1989

              Who surrendered Bulgaria after liberation from the Turks? Alexander? Nikolay? There were no difficulties in World War I, when the Serbian people were destroyed by their efforts. There were no difficulties in World War II, when they liberated German troops to kill the Soviet people, again exterminating the Serbs. And now, in your opinion, we need to be touched, looking at the MIG-21 in the hands of the Bulgarians - members of NATO, an organization specially created to destroy the Russian people. Of total destruction, together with the licking arm of America, which is with them. And empty talk about a people who love Russia, and an anti-people government that does the will of Uncle Sam - this is again the exploitation of the simplicity of the Russians. Che foolishly and break off for the poor, robbed US Bulgarians.
              1. pytar
                pytar 30 December 2015 19: 17
                +2
                You have not the slightest idea about the topics you are talking about. That is not the right word for the mind! You have absolutely no idea! It is amazing how you managed to write so many nonsense in such short lines! Probably such a serous "talent" is needed! bully
                1. samoletil18
                  samoletil18 3 January 2016 13: 25
                  +2
                  I would support you, pytar. But, as I recall the difficult times of world wars, so support disappears by itself.
                  minus is not mine.
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 3 January 2016 15: 08
                    +2
                    "samoletil18 - I would support you, pytar. But, as I recall the difficult times of world wars, so support disappears by itself."
                    You know ... I remember how tough and for us the times of world wars, I’m also thinking! Is it worth supporting you ...?! what In WWI, you attacked us! We did not come to you, but you came to us with weapons! You have come to help our occupants and our worst enemies! In WWII, we did not fight against you. From the word at all. And in fact they fought ... but together with you against Germany! Besides, you obviously do not know that after the creation of the OVD, Bulgaria kept 3 armies, one of which was directed against the Yugoslavs ... exactly these, about which you are shedding such tears! The Department of Internal Affairs clearly considered Yugoslavia to be an unfriendly country, no matter how you liked it. For some reason you look extremely one-sidedly at things ... Everything is black and white for you. Moreover, often in "black" you say "it is white" and set from ... Okay ... most likely this is political Daltonism. I prefer not to watch the wars in which you were our enemies, but for example the Russian-Turkish one, because it is She who binds us into a strong Brotherhood!
              2. but still
                but still 31 December 2015 17: 42
                +6
                97110 (2) RU Yesterday, 16:49 ↑
                Why did Alexander III recall Alexander Batenberg, appointed by his father, the Liberator and the reformer, to rule Bulgaria, why did he also recall the entire Russian officer corps of the young Bulgarian army? Why was it opposed to the reunification of part of the Bulgarian lands with the Bulgarian population? Why did the Serbian army give the green light to attack Bulgaria in 1885?

                About something Balkan war keep quiet. And read, couch diploma!

                Yes, and Nikolai from ships fired at the Bulgarian cities of Varna and Balchik during the WWII in the Bulgarian territorial waters.
                Yes, and together with the Romanian troops in the BULGARIAN land, Dobrudja, they fought.

                So WHAT TO VISIT, REVIVE.

                During socialism, Bulgaria was one of the most loyal allies of the USSR. So Odysseus is right - the USSR passed Bulgaria in 1989. And Yeltsin Russia continued to surrender everything that had not been surrendered earlier.
              3. gleb0606
                gleb0606 1 January 2016 03: 04
                +3
                Who surrendered Bulgaria after liberation from the Turks? Alexander? Nikolay?

                Well, Bulgaria was "surrendered" to many Russian mistakes and the successes of German diplomacy, because thanks to them, Hohenzollern-Sigmaring ascended the throne
                1. pytar
                  pytar 3 January 2016 15: 17
                  +6
                  "gleb0606-Well, Bulgaria was largely "surrendered" by the mistakes of Russian and the successes of German diplomacy, because thanks to them, Hohenzollern-Sigmaring ascended the throne "
                  In general, the results of the victories of the Russian war on the battlefield, then very often lost moronic Russian politicians and rulers. Our politicians ksati also did all sorts of nonsense, after which all the victories of the Bulgarian soldiers came to naught.
          3. Petrol
            Petrol 30 December 2015 17: 24
            -6
            97110
            "Orthodox? Or Jesuit?"
            and what difference does it make that those pray ___ African trash, which in ancient Egypt had a zoomorphic face of a scarab beetle (shit-eater)!
            I don’t want my children and finally our children to forget that there are people, that there is Rod, and that there is a foreign rabble destroying my ___ Lavonian people!
            1. prohtank
              prohtank 30 December 2015 17: 39
              +5
              you first forgot your family and your Russian name
        2. Magic archer
          Magic archer 30 December 2015 12: 59
          +7
          I just remembered the story. Airplanes are just a chain of links. And how many times have the Bulgarians failed Russia?! And how many times have we helped you out ?! Entering NATO, canceling the gas contract and this is only recently .... How after such actions I should relate to Bulgaria? !!!
        3. Garris199
          Garris199 30 December 2015 17: 55
          +3
          The Poles do not have a license from RSK MiG to carry out such work. Doesn't it bother anyone? Europa?
    2. 97110
      97110 30 December 2015 11: 52
      +5
      Quote: Alex_59
      The sad news. The MiG-21 Bulgarian Air Force were in perfect condition even after overhaul.

      What is the sad news about the cessation of flights of a group of NATO aircraft in perfect condition?
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 30 December 2015 13: 05
        +2
        Quote: 97110
        What is the sad news about the cessation of flights of a group of NATO aircraft in perfect condition?

        First of all, this business can be viewed not from the position of NATO / Russia, but from the universal view, where the flying MIG is simply a beautiful creation of human hands.
        Secondly, the group of NATO Bulgarian MiG-21 is the least dangerous for our Air Force. Too different level, even compared to the Su-27P or MiG-29A.
        1. 97110
          97110 30 December 2015 16: 54
          +1
          Quote: Alex_59
          Firstly, this matter can be viewed not from the position of NATO / Russia, but from the universal view, where the flying MIG is simply a beautiful creation of human hands

          I hold in my hands the Mauser-98k. Release 1937. The bayonet joined. Just a beautiful creation of human hands? How is a mosquito? Or a little bit different?
  4. Alex_59
    Alex_59 30 December 2015 07: 09
    +7
    Photo http://russianplanes.net
  5. Amurets
    Amurets 30 December 2015 07: 09
    +7
    Article + .A MiG-21? Hindus again started a modernization for him. It looks like an eternal, indestructible machine.
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 3 January 2016 13: 30
      0
      I won’t be surprised if, in the event of a sudden outcry, the Indians will establish their production. wassat A joke, but only a joke is a joke.
  6. Alex_59
    Alex_59 30 December 2015 07: 10
    +6
    Photo http://russianplanes.net
  7. oldseaman1957
    oldseaman1957 30 December 2015 07: 11
    +7
    Now the whole politics, and the fate of the states, which were once fraternal, depends on the Nikolaev Nenchevs, whom Washington bought long ago, easily finding "weak links". And the people have only one thing left - to remember ...
  8. linen
    linen 30 December 2015 07: 59
    0
    Now the shit will fly usa!
    1. gjv
      gjv 30 December 2015 19: 26
      +2
      Quote: flax
      Now the shit will fly usa!

      No, they have a MiG-29 on Graf Ignatievo. And in general, aircraft from the USSR, Italy, France, Switzerland. From the USA, they have only a few Bell Helicopter Textron 206 light helicopters. No information was available on plans to purchase American fighters. Apparently for Bulgaria this is too expensive a pleasure.
    2. Antanas
      Antanas 31 December 2015 02: 52
      -1
      Do you have even the slightest idea of ​​the modern modifications of American military aviation, proFesor? :))) It seems that you are just a banal Nashi shkolota.
    3. Antanas
      Antanas 31 December 2015 02: 52
      -1
      Do you have even the slightest idea of ​​the modern modifications of American military aviation, proFesor? :))) It seems that you are just a banal Nashi shkolota.
  9. Belousov
    Belousov 30 December 2015 08: 59
    +6
    Alas, the Bulgarians themselves chose such ministers. And in the next elections, with any "brotherly feelings", they will completely repeat their choice. After all, they will again be promised cookies and the opportunity to wash toilets in Brussels and Berlin.
    1. derik1970
      derik1970 31 December 2015 08: 45
      +8
      In general, you are right. But judge for yourself, can you and I decide something in our country through elections? I think not, often for us all have already decided and chosen. Most likely the same with the Bulgarians. There is only the illusion of elections and choices, and nothing more, all the more so as the people have become indifferent and infantile, each on its own. When an enemy appears in the sight of a Bulgarian aircraft, then we’ll check who and what chooses. hi
    2. Serg koma
      Serg koma 1 January 2016 15: 35
      +5
      Quote: Belousov
      they themselves chose such ministers

      Who "chose" Serdyukov? I can say with 100% accuracy - not you, and not me, so how did he end up in the Moscow Region first, and now in the "Helicopters"?
      in a stranger’s eye we see a speck in our logs we don’t notice

      (PEOPLE'S WISDOM)
      1. Petrol
        Petrol 10 January 2016 08: 54
        0
        in Ukraine in Volyn, Poltava, Cossacks who were called by the Swedes and Poles - Serdyuki
        it’s true that clearly! - the old people said that.
  10. Fitter65
    Fitter65 30 December 2015 09: 44
    +2
    Even the Soviet SKP-11s are standing, on the basis of the ZIL-130 the boy points a finger at him ....
  11. Pictures
    Pictures 30 December 2015 09: 44
    +9
    > These are Russian planes

    These are Soviet aircraft.
  12. lilian
    lilian 30 December 2015 09: 45
    +5
    And in Russia, at least one MiG-21 was preserved in flight condition? In America, there is even one in private ownership, some kind of Americans ride on it every month.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 30 December 2015 10: 28
      +2
      Quote: lilian
      And in Russia, at least one MiG-21 was preserved in flight condition? AT

      I don’t know? I ran through the sites there are no mentions. Maybe somewhere in flight schools sparks survived?
    2. Alex_59
      Alex_59 30 December 2015 10: 48
      +5
      Quote: lilian
      And in Russia, at least one MiG-21 was preserved in flight condition?

      Yes. At least two are owned by the Nizhny Novgorod Sokol plant at the Sormovo airfield.
      Another MiG-21СМТ seems to be being restored in Strigino to flight condition from the Kaluga Flight Technical School.
  13. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 30 December 2015 10: 15
    +2
    There were beautiful cars. But they died out under the pressure of technology ... Like dinosaurs of aviation.
  14. pytar
    pytar 30 December 2015 12: 58
    19
    Quote: Belousov
    Alas, the Bulgarians themselves chose such ministers. And in the next elections, with any "brotherly feelings", they will completely repeat their choice. After all, they will again be promised cookies and the opportunity to wash toilets in Brussels and Berlin.

    In occupied countries such as Bulgaria, the people do not choose anyone. Fewer and fewer voice givers come out on custom "elections". In the latter, the turnout rarely went beyond 25%. The purchase of votes from marginalized Roma societies is flourishing, and this is the kind of dermocracy we have.
    1. exSUman
      exSUman 30 December 2015 14: 05
      10
      About the same thing my friend from Hungary writes to me, I served there in 1987-1989 and made friends with him at meetings of soldiers of the Hungarian army and the USSR. Elections - falsification, in the country - a mess ... recalls with warmth those days when the USSR was ...
    2. 97110
      97110 30 December 2015 17: 00
      -1
      Quote: pytar
      Such is our dermocracy.

      And this fully justifies the small, stupid Bulgarians, forcing them to serve cannon fodder in anti-Russian situations over and over again?
      1. Flatter
        Flatter 30 December 2015 21: 17
        +3
        Are you talking about? The team where I worked did not choose Yeltsin, but they put him in. And what do you say to that?
      2. derik1970
        derik1970 31 December 2015 08: 51
        +5
        And then we ourselves can solve something in our country at the elections ??? Yes, the same thing with us, wherever you look. All elections are falsified, and even at the local level, the heads of districts, measures of cities, governors so swing in general, watching how local kings share the local power ... Do you still believe in Santa Claus !?
    3. derik1970
      derik1970 31 December 2015 08: 47
      0
      This is not surprising, it is very close and not only with you. With the help of deception, they rule the world. hi
  15. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 30 December 2015 13: 19
    0
    What are the Bulgarians planning to change? On F-16 or Flu?
    1. ivanovbg
      30 December 2015 15: 44
      +5
      We want the Flu, and the Americans put pressure on our politicians and shove us 40 summer falcons !! 40 year old !!
  16. pytar
    pytar 30 December 2015 13: 40
    +8
    Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
    What are the Bulgarians planning to change? On F-16 or Flu?

    In theory, various options are discussed. But everything rests on the absence of money. I suspect that while they come up with something, the current Bulgarian rulers will fall from power. Moreover, they will have to answer for all crimes committed against the Bulgarian people. What will happen next, we'll see ... I personally think that light type fighters like the Yak-130 in the version with a radar and a small combat load are better suited for the geographical and topographic conditions of Bulgaria. Of particular importance, in my opinion, is the requirement that the aircraft have minimal pre-flight maintenance and that unprepared flight sites can crawl. This is necessary in conditions when the enemy has superiority in the air. For the present day and in the foreseeable future, all our potential adversaries have such transcendence. A short run and maneuverable flight at low altitude is also needed. In Bulgaria, one third of the territory is highland massifs.
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 30 December 2015 14: 30
      +1
      Quote: pytar
      I personally think that light type fighters like the Yak-130 in the version with radar and low combat load are better suited for the geographical and topographic conditions of Bulgaria.

      Bulgaria is a large country from west to east 440 kilometers from north to south 260 kilometers. Yak-130 subsonic aircraft means it will not be able to perform air defense functions.
      Quote: pytar
      But it all comes down to the lack of money

      If I’m not mistaken, Romanians rented influenza from Sweden, not the newest of course, but renting will be cheaper than buying.
      Quote: pytar
      so that the aircraft has minimal preflight service and that unprepared flight sites can crawl.

      Well, here the F-16 clearly flies, I remember the Poles complained that their 48 F-16s are demanding for the runway, unlike the Mig-29. But the influenza seems to be adapted for poorly prepared runways.
      Quote: pytar
      For the present day and in the foreseeable future, all our potential adversaries have such transcendence. A short take-off and maneuverable flight at low altitude is also needed. In Bulgaria, one third of the territory is highland massifs.

      Yes, not for a full-scale war, fighters are needed, but for the protection of the country's borders, from the strength of 1-2 squadrons. For example, the terrorists captured a plane and sent it to the airspace of Bulgaria, what should I do? Air Force needed to intercept. In their case, ground-based air defense systems will come out more expensive, since several divisions will be required to cover the country, this is billions of dollars (1 division costs $ 500 million somewhere, ideally 3-5 divisions are needed).
      1. pytar
        pytar 30 December 2015 15: 02
        +7
        As for the unsuitability of Yak or its future versions for air defense, you are certainly right! For air defense you need a different type of aircraft. Again, everything rests on money that is not. Even for rental purposes. Grippen is a very good fighter. For Bulgaria, it is suitable in all respects, but nevertheless it is expensive for us. All the same, it is possible that they will revolt him for a while. If the Americans do not push hard, take F-16 from the old version. I would not be surprised if suddenly and the Chinese are brought to the fore while we have thought of it. It seems unbelievable, but who knows ...?! But the Yak-130 is still needed for us! It is easy to digest. It’s cheap and you can buy more copies, which makes it possible to disperse them on the territory of the whole country, so that the 4-5 group could cover all directions. Of course, we will not do without new air defense systems. There is also a very interesting situation in the international arms market. And in the future, I and many Bulgarians see the country outside of NATO and in an alliance with Russia, so the situation will most likely turn out to be completely different than now.
        1. doework
          doework 30 December 2015 16: 09
          +5
          Happy New Year, brother! We will be together anyway! Peace to the world!
          1. pytar
            pytar 30 December 2015 22: 07
            +7
            Happy New Year, brothers! I wish you health, peace and prudence to everyone!
        2. Garris199
          Garris199 30 December 2015 18: 03
          +1
          Quote: pytar
          darling he is for us

          There is a good MiG-21-93 modernization program. I think everything would be cheaper to buy used Falcons and flu.
          1. pytar
            pytar 30 December 2015 22: 10
            +5
            I heard about the MiG-21-93, but the problem is that our 21s have already exhausted their resources to the end. It makes no sense to upgrade them, since they served the Fatherland for a long time! Old faithful soldier, it's time to retire. We say goodbye to him with respect and respect!
      2. 97110
        97110 30 December 2015 17: 09
        -2
        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        Yes, not for a full-scale war, fighters are needed, but for

        Russian plane banging on command from Brussels.
    2. 97110
      97110 30 December 2015 17: 01
      0
      Quote: pytar
      Moreover, they will have to answer for all crimes committed against the Bulgarian people.
      Before the American people, you have to understand?
      Will the tribunal be established in The Hague? Oh well...
      1. pytar
        pytar 30 December 2015 22: 14
        +3
        You won't understand. All your "comments" go farooo .. from any adequacy.
    3. Serg koma
      Serg koma 1 January 2016 15: 52
      0
      Quote: pytar
      I suspectthat until they come up with something, the current Bulgarian rulers will fall from power.

      Quote: pytar
      Fewer and fewer voice givers come out on custom "elections". The turnout for the latter rarely exceeded 25%.

      Quote: pytar
      What will happen next, see ...

      In vain "SUSPECT", you yourself voiced the whole "alignment". "SEE" coming to power -
      Quote: pytar
      marginalized gypsy societies.

      and NO ONE will have to
      Quote: pytar
      responsible for all crimes committed against the Bulgarian people.


      This is the kind of "sadness" that emerges from your statements ... sad
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  18. Evrepid
    Evrepid 30 December 2015 16: 27
    +4
    it can be seen that some of the Bulgarian pilots have warm feelings for the car ... 2500 hours on the MiG-21!
    As an Air Force officer, bitterly look at the flight of a car that is being written off ...

    Maybe it’s still flying! even at a parade or exhibition ... but not get dusty in the hangar
    1. 97110
      97110 30 December 2015 17: 03
      -3
      Quote: Evrepid
      Maybe it’s still flying! even at a parade or exhibition ... but not get dusty in the hangar

      Maybe he will also shoot at a probable enemy? (In Russian - isn't it?)
      1. ivanovbg
        31 December 2015 00: 55
        +3
        This is too much. Anyone who mastered the MiG-21 in the USSR and defended the sky of the People’s Republic of Bulgaria on it will not go to war with Russia.
        1. 97110
          97110 31 December 2015 11: 34
          0
          Quote: ivanovbg
          Anyone who mastered the MiG-21 in the USSR and defended the sky for the People’s Republic of Bulgaria on it will not go to war with Russia.

          Yes, for democracy (the power of the American people) some lives of the Bulgarians in Brussels will regret? And how to build and throw in the furnace of war - they will find, not for the first time. Those who mastered MIG-21, if they are against democracy, will be shot, others as an example. And for those who have not mastered, they will sell the used F-16. And forward, to the glory of the dollar.
        2. Serg koma
          Serg koma 1 January 2016 16: 08
          +1
          That is, to violate the ORDER ??? If you speak PERSONALLY for yourself - this is one thing, and if for ALL pilots - it’s completely different. In addition, I dare to suggest that FLYING pilots
          Quote: ivanovbg
          who mastered the MiG-21 in the USSR and defended the sky People's Republic of Bulgaria
          at best, for today, only a few. Tomorrow, THEM will no longer be at the helm, but there will be an ORDER - "DESTROY THE PURPOSE" ... Quite recently, some 20 years ago, no one in the USSR could even imagine that there would be a war between the "Indestructible Union of Free Republics .. . ", and even relatives, members of the same family, will be enemies to each other ...
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  19. Leader
    Leader 30 December 2015 19: 10
    +4
    Quote: pytar
    The management of the "MiG" company made several proposals in different variants and price terms. Unfortunately, they turned out to be unacceptable mainly due to the high cost. A long-standing weakness of Russian companies is the lack of flexibility and slow response to changes in competitive conditions.

    What are you pecking at? - everything speaks correctly! Our bureaucrats, if it does not concern their personal pockets, will cover all that is possible! The first time, perhaps, arms contracts are being torn down because of these reasons? - high cost, lack of flexibility, slow bureaucracy ... One Vietnamese contract for Kalashnikov was worth it!
    They, you see, "did not compromise their principles," these cretins from Rosoboronexport!
    Greed leads to poverty!
    Quote: pytar
    In occupied countries such as Bulgaria, the people do not choose anyone. Fewer and fewer voice givers come out on custom "elections".

    Yes, we have the same ...
  20. pytar
    pytar 30 December 2015 19: 14
    +6
    Quote: Benzin
    Alex_59
    Do not whine the Bulgarians are not Slavs.
    Khan Asparuh brought Asian Bulgars to the lands of the Slavs and Illyrians when he realized that the people in danger of death decided to make peace with the locals.
    As a sign of good-neighborliness, he changed the name of the people, replacing the Turkic "U" - perpetual motion, with the Slavic "O" - settledness (in short).
    which, in fact, would do well in Ukraine!

    Gasoline, you are talking such nonsense that I suspect you are not all right with your head! I’ll give you a little information, although it probably won’t reach you ... I doubt that you are capable of such efforts. 1. The present Bulgarian people, Slavic and unambiguous. DNA studies have confirmed the fact undeniably. The genetically closest people to Bulgarians are Serbs and Croats. And as for the "Macedonians", they are completely genetically identical with the Bulgarians. Essentially one people. 2. The Bulgarian people was formed as a result of the merger of the Slavs, Proto-Bulgarians and Thracians. Moreover, the overwhelming majority was Slavic, which predetermined the use of the Slavic language as the language of the Bulgarian people. Ksati is a Bulgarian language, it is the first book-documented Slavic language in the world. 3.Pra-Bulgarian are not Turks. And they did not speak the Turkic languages. Their origin has not yet been sufficiently studied. 4. Your insane version, about "changing the name of the people as a result of the sign of good neighborliness," I think is worthy for ... a psychiatrist ... 5. I can only sympathize with you, but I suppose that it is not being treated ...
    1. Alex_59
      Alex_59 31 December 2015 06: 54
      +5
      pytar, you do not pay attention to explicit trolls. Such people work to embroil us. That is, they are working against us. Why help them?

      Do not spray on trifles, it’s better to be friends, even though our politicians are against such friendship!
  21. ibirus
    ibirus 30 December 2015 19: 44
    +1
    Bulgaria is an independent country, which itself has chosen its own path of development. There is no need to breed this fraternal hackneyed record. Bullied.
  22. jurikberlin
    jurikberlin 30 December 2015 20: 59
    +3
    MiG 21, this is Kalashnikov. only aviation.
  23. shura7782
    shura7782 30 December 2015 23: 45
    +5
    MiG-21R - my first car!
  24. Severok01
    Severok01 31 December 2015 00: 53
    -1
    More give aircraft n-who will not fly on hang gliders)
  25. CRASH
    CRASH 31 December 2015 02: 06
    -1
    Now what, will they collect at f35? "Abroad will help us"
    1. ivanovbg
      31 December 2015 08: 41
      +2
      F-35 is not that affordable, but even beyond the limits of daydreaming we do not fit. The limit of our dreams is the brand new Swedish Grippen, at least 9 pieces.
  26. Antanas
    Antanas 31 December 2015 03: 41
    +3
    pytar, ignore the poster under the nickname "Benzin". This is dolboslav, and they are usually sick in the head.
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  28. pytar
    pytar 31 December 2015 18: 12
    +6
    Quote: 97110
    Quote: pytar
    I am Orthodox and I consider such opinions as "yours", born with diseased brains.

    My opinion is based on two world wars and more than 30 millions of dead compatriots. The dead, including the efforts of the Bulgarians. The troops of Bulgaria were allies of the 2 Reich, 3 Reich. Today this country is a member of NATO. It’s good to sew up the whole thing - anyway a prostitute.

    Your opinion is based on drinking ignorance. You know about the victims of your compatriots, but you don't know about the tens of thousands of Bulgarian soldiers who died with them during WWII! During the same war, Bulgarians and Russians did not fight each other! By the end of 44, they fought together against Germany! The entire Bulgarian army, very well preserved by that moment, went to the fronts along with the Russians! Say "Bulgaria was an ally of the Reich"! And you obviously don't know the simple fact that Bulgaria was the only "ally" of Germany, which did not fight against the USSR! For the entire time of the war, normal deep relations were maintained between us! What kind of "ally" if at that time units from all European countries fought on the side of Germany? Yes, read, and how many Russians fought against the USSR! Finland, was not an ally of Germany and was not part of the three-sided pact, but fought against the USSR! It does not enter your head that Bulgaria entered the pact when a non-aggression pact was signed between the USSR and Germany! It will not reach you, the fact that due to its strategic position Bulgaria did not have a choice whether or not to enter the Tristran Pact by 41 AD! Nemtsy, and at the same time the Turks would have occupied the country in 3 days! Nobody would leave us neutral! The Bulgarian tsar chose to formally join the "union" with Germany, and so he preserved the country! He gave the Germans much less than they could have taken if they had occupied Bulgaria! You don’t know shit and parade with elemental stamps! During WWI, it was not Bulgaria that attacked Russia, but Russia that attacked Bulgaria! Russia became an ally of our bitter enemies / hers too / and came to the Bulgarian land, this time not as a liberator, but with an unjust mission! All military operations were carried out on the Bulgarian territory! For us, PMA was a FAIR WAR OF LIBERATION! But that won't reach your limited intellect! Too much effort requires ... For some reason you forget that after 45 for half a century, Bulgaria was that very loyal ally, which never backed down from friendship and brotherhood with the USSR! And you, your Gorby and Yeltsin betrayed us! They are your kids d-l-b-e-i! I understand that I’m just losing extra time to explain it to you, idiots! You don't want to know! Instead of a brain, you have cement in your heads! And most likely troll, to the tune of Uncle Sema! But remember one thing! Bulgaria and Russia, as they were fraternal, and will be! Because, our people are fraternal! Blood will not turn water!
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 1 January 2016 17: 40
      +5
      Dear pytar!
      It so happened that my first visit to the site coincided with this article. You are an adult and you understand that we have 90% of the population, that you have normal people. And ignore the liberal rubbish throwing accusations of "treason and betrayal". You can't prove it to them. Yes, they are not interested. Two Worlds and we are on opposite sides of the barricades, all this is true for them in the last instance. But they forget that "the truth spoken spitefully is like poisoned lies." Distortion and silence, an effective tool. People who are weak in understanding things can write "they themselves chose the government, ministers, therefore they are to blame." Shame. And I am ashamed in front of you for these 10%, evil, stupid. The people vote with their feet everywhere. Do not worry, take care of your heart, we still have to fight a lot with idiotic "challenges"
      1. pytar
        pytar 2 January 2016 12: 47
        +2
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        Dear pytar!
        It so happened that my first visit to the site coincided with this article. You are an adult and you understand that we have 90% of the population, that you have normal people. And ignore the liberal rubbish throwing accusations of "treason and betrayal". You can't prove it to them. Yes, they are not interested. Two Worlds and we are on opposite sides of the barricades, all this is true for them in the last instance. But they forget that "the truth spoken spitefully is like poisoned lies." Distortion and silence, an effective tool. People who are weak in understanding things can write "they themselves chose the government, ministers, therefore they are to blame." Shame. And I am ashamed in front of you for these 10%, evil, stupid. The people vote with their feet everywhere. Do not worry, take care of your heart, we still have to fight a lot with idiotic "challenges"

        good good good hi
  29. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 2 January 2016 16: 32
    +2
    Thank you for the undeservedly high appreciation.
  30. Jmbg
    Jmbg 3 January 2016 00: 26
    +3
    On this site more than once there was an opinion that the main, worst enemy of all Slavic is Anglo-Saxon. Refutation or contestation of this I have not seen 1342 pages ago. Here, in all wars, we, Bulgarians, fought against them. Which side you took the Russians, this is your problem.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 3 January 2016 04: 51
      +1
      Here, in all wars, we, Bulgarians, fought against them.
      Class. Well done. Iron principled position. The Anglo-Saxons were all plagued with rage. I recall a joke. Animals beat a crowd of elephants and a mosquito kicked him twice. Eh guys, we would have your problems.
      Here you hold the sky on your shoulders, but behind you ... Hold, hold.
      By the way, why Dimitrov and Tito did not create an alliance, And were there any plans?
  31. pytar
    pytar 3 January 2016 01: 59
    +2
    Quote: Jmbg
    On this site more than once there was an opinion that the main, worst enemy of all Slavic is Anglo-Saxon. Refutation or contestation of this I have not seen 1342 pages ago. Here, in all wars, we, Bulgarians, fought against them. Which side you took the Russians, this is your problem.

    Jmbg - Tee them the game is played, no man !!! laughing good hi You completely reset them! Respect !!! drinks
  32. pytar
    pytar 3 January 2016 13: 06
    +3
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    Here, in all wars, we, Bulgarians, fought against them. Class. Well done. Iron principled position. The Anglo-Saxons were all plagued with rage. I recall a joke. Animals beat a crowd of elephants and a mosquito kicked him twice. Eh guys, we would have your problems. Then you hold the sky on your shoulders, and you behind ... Hold, hold. By the way, why Dimitrov and Tito did not create an alliance, And were there any plans?

    Good anegdote, but somehow out of topic. As the Americans and the British said, during the raid over Bulgaria in WWII, the Bulgarian pilots raided them like wasps on their old fighters. We rammed them and burned one after another flying fortresses ... We put a lot of theirs in WWI. Their cemeteries on Bolkanov speak in themselves. Yes, and the Russians themselves said during WWI that the Bulgarian soldier was similar to the Russian soldier in combat earnings and regretted that Bulgaria was not their ally. To Ksati, I wrote many times that never a single Bulgarian military banner was captured. And at that time, hundreds of captive banners of the enemy army are kept in our museums! There are also Russians ... Come and see for yourself. As for the plans to create the Bolkan Union after 45, there were such. After the conflict between Stalin and Tito, the negotiations stopped. And it's good that it happened, otherwise after the 90s we would have to take Belgrade in order to calm down the national chauvinism of the Serbs. Ksati Belgrade was created by the Bulgarian Tsar Boris Mikhail I (he is the one who baptized the Bulgarian people into Orthodoxy) in the 9th century and guarded the western borders of the Bulgarian Kingdom. In Latin sources, the city is called Alba Bulgarica. So "Kossovo Serbia", but half of Serbia is Bulgaria ... (just kidding). bully
  33. Ros 56
    Ros 56 6 January 2016 20: 13
    0
    Quote: pytar
    You only dream of "betrayal"!


    No, not one.
    A ban on the flight of our aircraft to Syria, and the South Stream gas pipeline, and at a loss. So the brothers for whom blood was shed do not act.
    This is called in any languages, and among any peoples with one word "betrayal"
    1. but still
      but still 7 January 2016 20: 19
      +2
      Quote: Ros 56
      No, not one.
      A ban on the flight of our aircraft to Syria, and the South Stream gas pipeline, and at a loss. So the brothers for whom blood was shed do not act.
      This is called in any languages, and among any peoples with one word "betrayal"


      Twenty five again fool

      1. About flights. At the beginning of October, the first Russian plane to Syria was missed, because the application indicated diplomatic transportation. The next plane was not missed, because there was evidence that weapons would be transported, and under EU directives there was a ban on the transport of weapons and certain goods to Syria. An application for a flight was filed for the third aircraft only 2 days before the flight, which violates international standards. It was also said that during the inspection, Russian planes will be skipped. So we would have filed the application in a timely manner, would have settled the formalities regarding the search - would have flown. As well as flawlessly flew before and after through Iran. But someone just needed another scandal.

      2. The South Stream gas pipeline was shut down (verbally) by Russia, not Bulgaria. Well, remember, at the beginning of December a year ago, a speech from Istanbul. And the euphoria about the Turkish Stream - urya and shapkozidatelstvo - "Bulgaria can bite its elbows." And tons of slops poured out by the Russian media and commentators on Bulgaria and Bulgarians. And the Turks, when they began to twist the ropes from you later, kept silent - "we'll start in a month" - "we've already agreed" - "we'll wait for the elections in Turkey" - "a new Turkish government will be formed and we will start the pipe" ... as the plane was shot down, so in the media and in the comments NO and a small part of the slop that was poured on the Bulgarians. Well, obviously, the respect of the majority when they "cut". And when they communicate in an intelligent way, it means that they are weaklings - you can pour slop. The number of comments - already 900 - in the article about Stalin is indicative. This is what the majority respect - the strength - of the Stalinist times, commentators so want fool In so - it is necessary that they hit, hit, shot, etc. etc., to respect respect.

      3. About speculation by the brotherhood. Well, you change the record - it is no longer relevant to exploit the topic of brotherhood - the Belarusians are your most brothers in all respects (I will not say anything about the Ukrainians), and how many reproaches in the media and comments there have been - "out, Old Man is missing the contraband of Eurokolkhoz grubs", and now - "since the beginning of the year, duty-free relations with Ukraine have been canceled, and Belarus and Kazakhstan continue to accept Ukrainian goods duty-free! Ay-ya-yay! Brothers!" "The citizens of Kazan were not very much outraged by the downed plane! So they have Turkish investments - they do not want to spoil relations! Ay-ya-yay!" And the fact that a year ago they were the best friends on the pipe and for the last 20 years they supplied millions of tourists and bought grubs is somehow shyly silent. And suddenly the perdugan regime turned out to be so bad ... but before it turns out, it was good.

      "Continuous traitors around!" You should be talking about Stalin ...
      1. pytar
        pytar 7 January 2016 23: 34
        +2
        In 10-ku! good hi But trolls like that Ros 56 you will not influence, no matter how arguments you bring. Their "job" is to dirty the world. They have an elementary list of vomit, and, moreover, are already quite boring.
        1. but still
          but still 8 January 2016 01: 58
          +1
          Yes it is. But, unfortunately, not only trolls pour slop. Here read a journalistic masterpiece (in two parts) a year old and, most importantly, comments - many ordinary readers hear the command "face" and rush to pour mud with such frenzy that it becomes scary ... for them, for these people it is scary ...
          http://www.kp.ru/daily/26325/3206956/

          Have you read 900 comments in an article on another thread about Stalin? Horror! Is this the mentality? Most commentators love Stalin's bloody regime. Both repression and slave labor are considered normal. And they never write about those millions who were starved to death - it is clear that the dead cannot say anything, and the descendants of those who died of hunger did not survive either. So it turns out that the majority of revolutions and Maidans are in their blood? Forward! Fas! And the crowd violently attacks the target. And then, licking their wounds, they ask themselves the question: "Why is everything so with us?" So they do not respect themselves and are ready to pounce on their neighbors - there is no compassion or the slightest tolerance for their compatriots. And so everybody is floundering from the bay - now uprisings, now repressions, then again revolutions and civil wars, then again repressions - and they themselves strive for the "iron fist", tk. know that without him there will come again a period of either revolutions, or instability ...
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 8 January 2016 05: 57
            +1
            I read the thread "Stalin" though not all, but got an idea.
            1. This mentality - we are for justice.
            2. Most to taste, not a regime, with the Stalin system, speak Russian.
            3. "Bloody", it seems not. Taking into account the past civil war, unleashed by Lenin and others like him.
            4. "repression and slave labor" - listen to Svanidze and Echo of Moscow less. Releasing is not immediately possible relapses.
            5. "they starve to death, they don't write at all - it is clear that the dead cannot say anything, and the descendants of those who died of hunger did not survive either" - listen, a pearl worthy of the Ruins.
            Working on foreign territory "filter bazaar".
            6. "Revolutions and Maidans are in the blood of the majority?" Dreamer. The fifth column also dreams of the Maidans, it's covered in blood, but don't scare them less than 5%. Let's crush. What would have stood a leader like Stalin, why the revolution? I am canceling the revolution.
            7. About the object of bullying in more detail, all of a sudden they didn’t spot anyone.
            8. And now, have a cold drink from the bucket and go to bed, I got tired, hearted in torment about the fate of the country.
            1. but still
              but still 8 January 2016 18: 32
              +1
              Quote: Mavrikiy
              I read the thread "Stalin" though not all, but got an idea.
              1. This mentality - we are for justice.
              2. Most to taste, not a regime, with the Stalin system, speak Russian.
              3. "Bloody", it seems not. Taking into account the past civil war, unleashed by Lenin and others like him.
              4. "repression and slave labor" - listen to Svanidze and Echo of Moscow less. Releasing is not immediately possible relapses.
              5. "they starve to death, they don't write at all - it is clear that the dead cannot say anything, and the descendants of those who died of hunger did not survive either" - listen, a pearl worthy of the Ruins.
              Working on foreign territory "filter bazaar".
              6. "Revolutions and Maidans are in the blood of the majority?" Dreamer. The fifth column also dreams of the Maidans, it's covered in blood, but don't scare them less than 5%. Let's crush. What would have stood a leader like Stalin, why the revolution? I am canceling the revolution.
              7. About the object of bullying in more detail, all of a sudden they didn’t spot anyone.
              8. And now, have a cold drink from the bucket and go to bed, I got tired, hearted in torment about the fate of the country.



              1. Do you think the Stalinist regime is fair?
              2. Yes, even if you call it "system" - the number of those killed and repressed will not decrease.
              3. Do you want to say that against the background of Lenin, Stalin is not bloody? Yes, that one, that the second - millions of people killed. Their people.
              4. And who carried out industrialization in fantastically tight deadlines? And who fed the industrialists?
              5. So you mean that there was only famine in Ukraine? So you get to confirm the thesis of the Holodomor in the context of the Russian that there was no genocide of Ukrainians, because Russians in the Volga region also perished from hunger. So do you deny hunger in the Volga region, the Southern Urals, the Kuban, the Don region, Kazakhstan and millions of victims? So read about the famine of 1921-1923, 1932-1933, 1946-1947. And with the post-war famine, there was plenty of grain in stocks. Even in tsarist times, 1890-1891, there was a famine. The tsar also wanted to carry out industrialization ... By the way, in all four catastrophes, when millions of people died from hunger, people from the Volga region were victims of hunger. Such a strange coincidence.
              5.1. What do you mean by "foreign territory"? The territory of this article? Site territory? If you don’t like what I’m writing, why not start filtering with yourself?
              6. I am against all revolutions and Maidan leading to human sacrifice. And against dictatorships.
              7. Yes "enemies of the people", who else.
              8. Do you drink water from a bucket? Well, you are like that, treat with understanding - not everyone has a water supply.
              1. Mavrikiy
                Mavrikiy 8 January 2016 19: 48
                +1
                but still
                In further communication I do not see the point.
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 8 January 2016 05: 32
      +5
      Why bother with the Bulgarians?
      And who put Yugoslavia under the bombs, is it not enough, did you still have to put Bulgaria?
      Labels learned to glue quickly, only you need to start with yourself. The situation is directly school: the tenth grader weighs a full-fledged (moral trauma, too) crack at first-grader, what did not stand up for me? Guys, we were the first to surrender YOUR ALL allies, starting with Cuba and ending with the Union Republics and Mongolia. North Korea is worth it, as there is one little thing.
      And therefore, quietly, drop by drop, it is necessary to establish, collect and prove again that we are not scum, but the former corrupt is to blame. That now everything will be fair.
      Kama has been given a lot, since much will be asked. With a compliment!
      1. but still
        but still 8 January 2016 18: 46
        0
        There you have nothing to blame on the mirror ...
  34. Ros 56
    Ros 56 8 January 2016 17: 20
    0
    I did not troll anyone, and did not intend to. I will not dissuade you of anything, life will show. But according to your feedback on my comment, everything became clear to me, you can continue not further, you are ours right.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 8 January 2016 19: 45
      +3
      Ros 56
      Well, sorry, I didn’t expect such your reaction.
      As the song says "the truth is always the only one who said the Pharaoh" and I thought it was obvious. I know the truth, there can be no options. And I talked to the Bulgarians and the war is seen from another trench in a different way. And the sun blinds the right eye and not the left. It's wonderful.
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 9 January 2016 06: 47
      +5
      Dear Ros 56!
      I have to apologize and explain myself. Come on a branch or not, I don’t know, I need to sort things out for myself. Here are Russians, the people are not hot, but all the same some emotions.
      1. My answer was not for you alone. Accusations of betrayal were before, see the thread above. On other branches, they are also enough. Please make a discount for the holiday.
      2. Yesterday, I, too, was tormented by the constant betrayals of the Slav brothers, the gas pipeline is just the last drop. Here is Ukraine, here is a detour through Bulgaria, a beautiful solution. And suddenly a blow in the pads, in the back, and we shed blood for them! And away we go. We have double standards. Bias concepts. Betrayed Bulgaria, read the people, betrayed Russia, read the corrupt government. Although we rarely read about the second, we are mostly silent. Now they write a lot about the basic concept, the code of Russians - justice. Yes, this explains a lot in our history. But if we want to continue to relate it to ourselves, we will have to look at ourselves more closely. And only after being cleansed of prejudiced relations should the world be shown its truth.
      3. And here is an ambush. "The Bulgarians are traitors, there is no need to talk about Ukrainians, they fry her, the Yugoslavs - yes, we shed blood for them all our lives, we climbed into WW1, and what's the point! Enough! Down with the Slavic brothers, long live the Turks!" Well and cleverly working 5 column media system. And we are all under this "rain" of media, we are all wet.
      Distracted, we should bow to Erdogan's legs, that he shot down a plane. Yes Yes. He didn’t hit in the back, but while pricked with a button, he is vile, vicious and somehow offensively. But the most important thing is on time. And tomorrow there would be a pipe and it was on it, but it would be worse than Ukraine.

      4. But the Bulgarians, well, they know the history of their country, we need to communicate with our own, but not start communication with the accusations, this is not productive.
      5. "You are our correct" by God, it's a shame, I didn't want to hurt anyone.
      1. pytar
        pytar 9 January 2016 23: 13
        +4
        100% good Respect! hi
        1. kubanec
          kubanec 12 January 2016 00: 16
          +2
          BULGARIAN BROTHERS OF SERBA BROTHERS MALOROSA BROTHERS BELOROSY BROTHERS ---- DO NOT BROTHERS Jews ONLY IN THE GOVERNMENT ---- PEOPLE ANYWHERE-ORTHODOX!
  35. GEV67
    GEV67 29 January 2016 16: 01
    +1
    Why is everyone around such politicians ?! An article about an airplane, about how long reliable equipment can serve. So they would talk about the plane.