Chemezov: the number of helicopters produced in the country today is comparable to the volume of the Soviet period

The Russian defense industry has increased the production of helicopters, and this year it reached volumes comparable to the Soviet ones, reports RIA News statement of the general director of "Rostec" Sergey Chemezov.

“Essentially, yes. Because today here is the Mi-8 or, if we talk about the military version, then the Mi-171 is the most popular model, the most common. We have it almost all over the world - from Latin America to Africa, ”said Chemezov, answering a journalist’s question on the program“ News on Saturday ”.

“Currently, Russia produces about 300 helicopters per year. In addition, the process of import substitution of helicopter engines previously supplied by Ukraine is actively underway, ”he said.

“We have already created our own engine, BK2500, already this year we produce about 30 units, although we need 300. But, I think that next year we will already be closer to 200, ”Chemezov said.

The agency reminds that earlier, before the breakdown of military technical ties with Ukraine, the TV3-117 / VK-2500 engines were supplied by the Ukrainian enterprise Motor Sich.

Help Agency: “Rostec is a Russian state-owned corporation established in 2007 year to promote the development, production and export of high-tech industrial products. The corporation includes 15 industry holding companies (including Russian Helicopters, United Engine Corporation, Kalashnikov, etc.), 32 direct management organizations and 14 infrastructure organizations. ”

Comments

[Vladimyrych]

Hard to believe ... But if the truth is, then God!

[cniza]

God forbid, that would have surpassed all the conditions.

[dauria]

God forbid, that would have surpassed all the conditions.

Arseniev, Kazan, Ulan-Ude .... came out at 900 per month. Once we got a board for the new year in Arseniev - there was such a parking lot at the factory, they even asked us to fly around an unpainted board and sign acts (something with a premium there). So far from the USSR. 300 per year is the capacity of one plant. You know, women collected helicopters at the Sazykin plant. A bow to those workers. There were no complaints about cars for a couple of years ...

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: dauria

came out at 900 per month

Per month?! Oh, what for

[aktanir]

helicopters are good - reliable, I won’t believe about comparability, it’s too early to dream about it if they just haven’t compared with any year 1966)) At the same time, very little is done to improve the appearance of the helicopter - all models over the past 30-40 years look like one, but not very good in the current conditions, when priority is given to the beauty, aesthetics and personal convenience of the crew and passengers.

[Pilot]

Quote: aktanir

when beauty is given priority

I think of reliability, functionality and price. Then it’s beautiful to paint and at least to nickel. :) Yes, and the design is an amateur.

[Koshak]

Quote: aktanir

At the same time, very little is done to improve the appearance of the helicopter - all models over the past 30-40 years look like one, but not very good in the current conditions, when priority is given to the beauty, aesthetics and personal convenience of the crew and passengers.

We are talking about military helicopters, and they are good without tuning.

[rJIiOK]

The Su-25 attack aircraft also does not change its appearance, but why? And because they are not looking for good from good, the body is durable and aerodynamically successful.

[Alexey-74]

The same look? But what about the Ka-52, Mi-28 .... over the past 30-40 years, these helicopters have changed a lot both externally and internally !!!

[dauria]

Per month?! Yeah nafi

In the year, of course, the old In month 25 only on "Sazykina" they made 24-ok, plus "Messerschmitts" (as the factory Yak-55 was called)

[V.ic]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Per month?! Oh, what for

Do not zvizdit and you will not zvizdim! In November 1992 he took part in the acceptance of the "extreme" Ka-27PL (four pieces). The Rostov Helicopter Plant is not mentioned yet.

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

dauria-you have something wrong with the numbers, they are clearly overpriced !!!

[Haettenschweiler]

Quote: Vladimir

Hard to believe ... But if the truth is, then God!

- He does not tactfully tell how many of these helicopters remain in Russia. Because the vast majority go abroad.

[donavi49]

50% maybe a little more. With oil workers and businessmen - about 150 cars in Russia per year, from 90 to 120 of them in the Ministry of Emergencies, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and the army.

[woron333444]

Yesterday there was a movie on TV about them, and he says there that it’s with export.

[rJIiOK]

Of course, reliable cars are in demand.
And how many helicopters do we ourselves? Every citizen on a helicopter?
And for some reason, I suspect that if demand in Russia rises, production will increase.

[Basarev]

Only one thing is bad: in the Soviet years, the Mi-24 dominated the most important branch of helicopter engineering - combat helicopters, but now it seems that they are being replaced with eights, which, in general, is nonsense. And the magnificent Ka-29 is forgotten and abandoned.

[Serg koma]

I won’t say anything about helicopters, but about tanks ...
Approximately in the middle of the "dashing" I was talking with a man from the leadership of "ZOR" (Omsk tank was then called that), an exemplary dialogue.
- Yesterday I returned from Tagil, they made ten cars a month (they meant tanks), but we don’t have that either ...
(I frantically counted, multiplied, divided)
- Stunned, it turns out 120 tanks a year about.
- The capacity of the plant, which is ours, that Tagil designed for the release of 350 in peacetime!

Here's a conversation, "for what I bought, for what I sell." And add here also Kharkov - for a thousand a year you will get a "stress-free" issue. I am inclined to believe that the situation with helicopters in the USSR was about equal with tanks.

[pvv113]

You still forgot Rostov. In Kazan and Ulan-Ude, plants produce Mi-8, Mi-17 and their modifications, and in Arsenyev and Rostov Mi-24, Mi-35 of all modifications

[Bayonet]

Quote: pvv113

Arseniev and Rostov Mi-24, Mi-35 of all modifications

"Rostvertol" (Rostov-on-Don) produces:
Mi-35M;
-Mi-28N "Night hunter;
Mi-26;
Mi-26T;
- blades for helicopters.

[V.ic]

Quote: Bayonet

"Rostvertol" (Rostov-on-Don) produces:

You are not spies, an hour? Or are you working at ENKKAVED to misinform a potential adversary?

[pvv113]

There are also Mi-25 and Mi-35P, though I don’t know which plant produces them. Never encountered

[NIKNN]

Russian Deputy Minister of Defense Yuri Borisov said that the military department plans to restore the production of the Tu-160 strategic bomber-missile carrier in the Tu-160M2 version. It will be a practically new aircraft, 2,5 times superior to its predecessor

We move as far as possible. Only see PAKD is delayed for now.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Quote: dauria

Arseniev, Kazan, Ulan-Ude .... came out at 900 per month. Once we got a board for the new year in Arseniev - there was such a parking lot at the factory, they even asked us to fly around an unpainted board and sign acts (something with a premium there). So far from the USSR. 300 per year is the capacity of one plant. You know, women collected helicopters at the Sazykin plant. A bow to those workers. There were no complaints about cars for a couple of years ...

I found the info.

[Yak28]

A lie table. Judging by it, 1981 on the 1990 each year, on average, 175-180 aircraft were made, of which 110 were military. This is a complete lie. By the end of 1991, the MAPO MiG produced about 1200 MiG-29 fighters, and how many SU-27 Mig-31, Su-24,25, Mig 21 was produced on 1985 year. I am silent about a bunch of other aircraft, and which 175 planes a year can be talked about. Also lies with helicopters

[Saburov]

Quote: Yak28

A lie table. Judging by it, 1981 on the 1990 each year, on average, 175-180 aircraft were made, of which 110 were military. This is a complete lie. By the end of 1991, the MAPO MiG produced about 1200 MiG-29 fighters, and how many SU-27 Mig-31, Su-24,25, Mig 21 was produced on 1985 year. I am silent about a bunch of other aircraft, and which 175 planes a year can be talked about. Also lies with helicopters

Dear, you at least looked at the MIG official website and looked at the information so as not to flog such nonsense! How could they produce 1200 fighters per year if MIG-29 (all modifications) from 1982 of the year to this day produced 1600 units? Man does not believe in anything so holy, of which he knows the least!

[Saburov]

By the end of the 80-s, the USSR accounted for more than a quarter of the total world production of aviation equipment and about two fifths of the entire military. In the USSR, up to 900 combat aircraft were produced annually, the highest rates for the post-war period were 1948-1959 (but this figure decreased since the advent of jet aircraft and with the complication of aircraft technical devices and instruments). 85% of the aircraft industry's production capacities inherited from the USSR. Now there are 312 enterprises with the number of employed 520 thousand people. Russia has come out on top in the world in terms of military aircraft production, overtaking the United States and China. In the first three quarters of 2014, the country's armed forces received 40 new aircraft and 80 helicopters. In total, about 90 aircraft and more than 200 helicopters will be delivered to the Russian troops this year.
AIRCRAFT
According to the data at the end of October since the beginning of 2014, the Russian Air Force received:

12 multipurpose fighter-bomber Su-34,
14 Su-30СМ fighters (by the end of the year 12 will be handed over),
4 fighter Su-30M2,
12 upgraded Su-27СМ3,
9 combat training Yak-130.

In addition, the strategic forces of the Russian Air Force received three upgraded strategic missile carriers Tu-95MS and a long-range bomber-missile carrier Tu-22М3, which underwent reconstruction and modernization.

The deep modernization of the Mig-31 fighter interceptors to the Mig-31BM version is also continuing. In the first half of 2014, the rearmament of the first squadron of the Tver Fighter Aviation Regiment of the Western Military District (ZVO) on the MiG-31BM was completed. And at the end of October 2014, the regiment received the first two aircraft for the second squadron.

Since the beginning of the year, the fleet of military transport aviation has replenished ten aircraft, including two serial heavy transport IL-76MD-90A, three new medium-range An-148 (out of four planned for this year), and other aircraft.

As for helicopters, the army aviation from the beginning of the year received:

12 attack helicopters Ka-52 Alligator. (A total of 240 pieces were ordered. In 2012, an 21 helicopter was manufactured, in 2013 - 24, in the 2014 it will be 28 according to the plan. Another 100 of these machines will be put into service by the Navy for fire support of naval assault forces, escort of carrier-based and airborne helicopters).

5 attack helicopters Mi-28Н “Night hunter”,
8 Mi-35M transport and combat helicopters, replacing the obsolete Mi-24;
9 medium transport helicopters Mi-8AMTS,
3 helicopter Mi-8MTV-5,

as well as a significant number of light Ka-226, training "Ansat-U", helicopters for the Russian Navy Ka-32 and Ka-27M. Super-heavy Mi-26 transport helicopters were also built and handed over to the armed forces, including those designed to perform tasks in the Arctic.

[V.ic]

Quote: Saburov

For the first three quarters of 2014, the country's armed forces received

Quote: Saburov

According to the data at the end of October since the beginning of 2014, the Russian Air Force received:

Quote: Saburov

In addition, the strategic forces of the Russian Air Force received

Quote: Saburov

The deep modernization of interceptor fighters also continues.

Quote: Saburov

Fleet of military transport aircraft since the beginning of the year replenished

Quote: Saburov

As for helicopters, the army aviation from the beginning of the year received:

Quote: Saburov

as well as a significant number

Well, what would the relevant authorities do with you so years ago 50-40? Normal spy report to foreign owners. According to the results, either a shooting or a ticket to sunny Magadan for years on 25.

[Saburov]

Quote: V.ic

Well, what would the relevant authorities do with you so years ago 50-40? Normal spy report to foreign owners. According to the results, either a shooting or a ticket to sunny Magadan for years on 25.

This is open information of the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation, but full information about the number and composition of the Russian aerospace forces is a state secret.

[Yak28]

Not from a year, but from 1982 to 1991, you’re breaking rubbish.

[Saburov]

Quote: Yak28

By the end of the 1991 year, MAPO MiG produced about 1200 fighters

Then write correctly! And how to understand you?

[Wheel]

Quote: Saburov

How could they produce 1200 fighters a year if the MIG-29 (all modifications) from 1982 to the present day produced 1600 units? Man does not believe in anything so holy, of which he knows the least!

And so they could.
The Moscow factory from 1982 to 1992 produced 1132 pieces of the MiG-29.
Accordingly, all the rest were produced by the Moscow and Gorky factories from 1993 to the present.
In addition, the Irkutsk and Ulan-Udin factories for the same period produced
780 pcs. Su-27.
In addition, from 82 to 85th in Gorky, 288 MiG-25s and about 400 MiG-31s ​​were launched
Plus here
87 Yak-38 (Saratov)
about 700 Su-24 (Novosibirsk)
788 Su-22 (Komsomolsk)
Total 4175 pcs. for 10 years, or 417 military units / year.
Specially did not provide data on plants outside the RSFSR.
/ History of the domestic aviation industry. Series aircraft construction 1910-2010. (Sobolev D.A. (Ed.)) /

[Alex_Tug]

Yak28 does not speak a year, but only MiG-29s for 1991. There, the total number of aircraft over 10 years is <2000.
If the MiG-29 is 1200, then the rest will be <800.
Somehow, in principle, the numbers are incorrect.

[Saburov]

This is the aircraft release chart in the RSFSR.

[Alekseev]

Quote: dauria

came out at 900 per month

This aircraft came out a different year under 900. And the number of helicopters from 300 to 400. So "Russian Helicopters" is at the level, God forbid, and so on to others.
However, the amount left in the past. Now the emphasis in the development of arms and military equipment (and indeed) on quality. There will be neither Ka-52 helicopters, nor T-14 tanks, and many thousands, like their predecessors, are not needed.
I'm not saying that everything is fine. A lot is still very bad. But the example of helicopter builders is encouraging.

[aksakal]

Quote: Alekseev

This aircraft came out a different year under 900. And the number of helicopters from 300 to 400. So "Russian Helicopters" is at the level, God forbid, and so on to others.

- Consider the increased complexity of helicopters and aircraft compared to previous models. I think that by helicopter - comparable, as stated in the subject, comparable - does not mean more, it means less, but not at times.

[Homo]

Quote: dauria

So far from the USSR.

So Russia is not the USSR. And by area and by population and production capacity. This refers to relative equality.

[Saburov]

Quote: dauria

Arsenyev, Kazan, Ulan-Ude .... was published under 900 per month.

Well here, dear, you have bent a little, to put it mildly ... in the USSR for the period from 1981 to 1990
In the USSR, from 81 to 90, from 475 to 635 helicopters a year were produced. The maximum indicator is still far away, while the minimum is already close. And again I remind you, we are comparing Russia with the entire USSR, and not just with the RSFSR. I think the RSFSR we have already generally caught up.

[Yars]

Quote: dauria

God forbid, that would have surpassed all the conditions.

Arsenyev, Kazan, Ulan-Ude .... was published under 900 per month.

yes what are you lying! not good to lie dear! Do you imagine the number of helicopters a year at this rate? and in ten years ?! do we all fly in helicopters ?!
Here you have the official statistics - http://pofigzavr.livejournal.com/877.html
and the people are a plus without even checking the information .............

[Serg koma]

Quote: dauria

So far from the USSR

Well, it’s in vain that you’re cutting it off your shoulder ...

Ex-Minister of Defense of Russia Anatoly Serdyukov joins the board of directors of the Russian Helicopters holding - one of the world leaders in the helicopter industry (part of Rostec), betrays TASS.

"Furniture maker" can do EVERYTHING
In the USSR, the firing squad was for TRAINING the Motherland, now a "chair" with a good salary and a golden parachute in the load - for these "parameters" the USSR is definitely far away ...

[Eugene-Eugene]

was released under 900 per month [that is, per year]

It is wrong to compare. All technical indicators of helicopters have stepped far forward since that time, so the exchange of 1 to 1 is not justified. This is the same as putting on a par with the dreadnoughts of Atlanta.

[Wheel]

Quote: Eugene-Eugene

It is wrong to compare. All technical indicators of helicopters have stepped far forward since that time, so the exchange of 1 to 1 is not justified. This is the same as putting on a par with the dreadnoughts of Atlanta.

Mi-8 is produced and operated from the year 65 until now, if Che. To call modifications cardinal, the language does not turn around, you know.
The situation is similar with the 26th and 24th.
With the Kamov helicopters, everything is sad ....

[Pilot]

Quote: cniza

God grant

Hope for God, but don’t be bad. It seems so says folk wisdom? :)

[dmi.pris1]

Are there any conditions? There is a certain desire (even more idle talk about the media), but the possibilities of our industry are clearly limited. We can make a glider, but the problem of engines will obviously not be solved in a year (I think five years will be needed). And with avionics, the trouble is Soviet times were clearly lagging behind, but now ....

Quote: cniza

God forbid, that would have surpassed all the conditions.

[iouris]

Where do the missing 600 engines come from (30 engines are practically 0, and all twin-engine helicopters)?

[svp67]

Quote: iouris

Where do the missing 600 engines come from (30 engines are practically 0, and all twin-engine helicopters)?

What miracles did not begin to happen in the world. Take Belarus, who would have thought that it could become almost the main supplier of red fish, mussels, citrus fruits, bananas ... and all of "Zroblena ў Belarusi". So, it is quite possible that these engines have the same stigma ...

[svp67]

Quote: Vladimir

Hard to believe ... But if the truth is, then God!

And you look here http://www.great-country.ru/articles/sssr/sov_delali/00009.html for helicopters of the Mi8 family is still YES, but somehow it is forgotten that at the same time other types and brands were produced in the USSR helicopters and here - NO

[Denis Obukhov]

It is important to fully ensure the production of engines for helicopters in Russia. Including all components. In this production, one cannot depend on unfriendly states.
How much has to be redone to compensate for broken communications.

[Denis Obukhov]

I can add to the news that, according to the same helicopter builders, the current helicopter, although it is being produced on a conveyor belt, is unique on each side both in terms of the composition of the electronics and the cabin (unlike in Soviet production, where there were fewer options). and these are additional difficulties in production. therefore, the piece rates comparable to the Soviet ones will even be abruptly higher.

[Amurets]

Serdyukov will head the industry, nothing will happen, he will "reform" everything with Vasilyeva.

[seti]

Why is it hard to believe ..? There are really a lot of helicopters now being released. Therefore, the problem is still in the engines. In St. Petersburg, they are just setting up a mass production of VK2500. But almost all of our helicopters fly from it to transport helicopters. He is more powerful and perfect TV3-117 which is essentially Soviet, not Ukrainian. And its potential is much higher. So the future lies with our engines. The main thing is to establish the production of a new engine in the shortest possible time, to reduce production costs and increase output. Well, shove it more actively on the international market for sales of Soviet / Russian helicopters in order to gradually get rid of competition from the TV3-117. These are millions and billions to the budget and manufacturing plants. Let me remind you that a new helicopter costs millions, depending on the modification.

[Nick]

Quote: Vladimir

Hard to believe ..

The Bible has already described a similar character - Thomas the unbeliever. Until October 2015, few believed that Russia was capable of delivering massive strikes with high-precision cruise missiles over a distance of 1500 km. However, alas ... A miracle happened.
Russia is a wonderland.

[V.ic]

Quote: Nick

Russia is a wonderland.

Here you can see immediately the person who did not serve in the Air Force. Air Force = Wonderland!

[Nick]

Quote: V.ic

Quote: Nick

Russia is a wonderland.

Here you can see immediately the person who did not serve in the Air Force. Air Force = Wonderland!

You are right about one thing; I did not serve in the Air Force; I served in the Strategic Rocket Forces.

[Haettenschweiler]

Quote: Nick

Russia is able to inflict massive hits high-precision cruise missiles at a distance of 1500 km. However, alas ... A miracle happened.
Russia is a wonderland.

- From 18 to 26 launches, according to open sources. It is not entirely straightforward to be "massed", but the use of cruise missiles, in principle, is not typical for Russia, as a rule, this is the "corporate identity" of USArmy. I am sincerely glad that the "all-great" has not yet thought of sending ground troops to Syria. Let it remain a large-scale military operation to deliver air strikes, if only if he can’t do without a war in Syria. I sincerely wish the military pilots that the number of take-offs equals the number of landings.

[Nick]

Quote: Haettenschweiler

- From 18 to 26 launches, according to open sources. It's not really to be outright "massed",

For the strike on the British Isles, of course, it’s not too massive, for you a couple of thousand it’s not a pity, but for Daesh very much ... And then, what a high fire performance, 26 launches per minute. I roughly estimated from one platform the launch was made every 4-5 seconds!

Quote: Haettenschweiler

I am sincerely glad that the "all-great" has not yet thought of sending ground troops to Syria

He thought of not introducing ground forces. It will be more accurate.

Quote: Haettenschweiler

Let it remain a large-scale military operation to inflict air strikes, if only if he doesn’t have any war in Syria.

... that’s nothing for us, and you won’t sit behind the English Channel, don’t hope. On your streets in London, Islamists are chopping English soldiers into pieces in broad daylight.

[Civil]

Serge! Say hello to your friend Tolik Serdyukov! Say we'll never forget him!

[KaPToC]

Quote: Civil

Say we'll never forget him!

Well ... like this ... he is still alive! ???

[Pirogov]

Vladimirych (4 Hard to believe ... But if truth be given, then God! ................................... ........ Yes, it can and is true! The only question is, how many of them remain in Russia? Yes, and the release of MI 8 and Mi 17 And not Mi 24, is a reflection.

[Ami du peuple]

the number of helicopters produced in the country today is comparable with the volumes of the Soviet period

Nothing. Right now, Serdyukov Anatoly Eduardovich, correct this annoying flaw. Just helicopter construction is now assigned to lead.

[Bath]

Yes, they sent a goat to the garden for being guided by plywood, they will begin to fly, what’s new there in a helicopter building nano-helicopters on paper they are, but actually dumb

[Bespectacled]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Right now, Serdyukov Anatoly Eduardovich, correct this annoying flaw.

Who would doubt ...

[uge.garik]

... an article would be necessary in the Criminal Code, a firing squad .., - for sabotage and the failure of the state defense order ..!

[veksha50]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Just helicopter construction is now assigned to lead.

Do not be scared at night looking ...

PS With a tremor in my voice I ask: "Is it true ???" ... I overslept something ???

[Bath]

I see people still believe in Taburetkina minuses instructed how many more suckers around then

[dchegrinec]

By helicopter a day, cool! Well done!

[Petruha]

sorry, of course the motor Sich! Boguslaev kept the plant afloat for so many years, people worked for him and received quite well by the standards of Zaporizhia. and now the plant is bending. ruined, country! but now there are their own engines and the Russian Federation does not depend on foreign morons.

[Ami du peuple]

Is it a pity? But I do not. Serves them right. If for the entire 750-thousandth Zaporozhye (of which 18 thousand are Motor Sich employees) there were only 300 people who dared to stand up against the brutal Maidan Nazis.

Do not remember April 2014? And I remember.

[onix757]

You might think we would have come out more. Our people have long been turned into a mass, which even defend their civil rights with scrap.

[Sergey S.]

Quote: onix757

You might think we would have come out more. Our people have long been turned into a mass, which even defend their civil rights with scrap.

Maybe not very much would come to the defense.
But so that there were so many scum that they throw stones at people and beat unarmed armature. I do not believe!!!

The ukroeksperiment is terrible in that out of most young people they have grown geeks without a mind and a heart.

Whatever they say about Russia, but we see geeks in the average statistical amount. Basically, people are normal, kind and reasonably educated smart.

[uge.garik]

So it’s precisely these people who need to be conquered, defended ..! Our gene pool ..!

[onix757]

The fact is, left-bank Ukraine would have long been in the orbit of influence of the Russian Federation if our elites were guided in their actions by the interests of the people, and this is impossible in principle in the prevailing feudal-oligarchic system.

[Denis Obukhov]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Is it a pity? But I do not. Serves them right. If for the entire 750-thousandth Zaporozhye (of which 18 thousand are Motor Sich employees) there were only 300 people who dared to stand up against the brutal Maidan Nazis.

Do not remember April 2014? And I remember.

Any actions of Ukraine against Russia as a rule lead to the fact that in Russia it is necessary to build something and break in Ukraine. In this case, they build factories for the production of engines near St. Petersburg and break Motor Sich. The blockade of Crimea by Ukraine forces Russia to build bridges, roads, power plants, power lines, and increase food production. In Ukraine, they break power lines, roads, reduce electricity production. What do you think is more profitable for a country's development to break or build?
Engines, by the way, developed in St. Petersburg, Motor Sich serial plant. So nothing prevents setting up a release in Russia

[onix757]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

Any actions of Ukraine against Russia as a rule lead to the fact that in Russia it is necessary to build something and break in Ukraine. In this case, they build factories for the production of engines near St. Petersburg and break Motor Sich. Ukraine’s blockade of Crimea forces Russia to build bridges, roads, power plants, power lines, increase food production

Ukraine is not only a motor-sich, but also a human resource, a favorable geopolitical location, a sales market and a powerful military industrial complex.
And about the plant near St. Petersburg, so it has not yet been built.

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: onix757

sales market and powerful VPK.

A bad market, to put it mildly, now from Ukraine. And unreliable.
They made fun of the "powerful military-industrial complex". He is so "powerful" that, for example, at the head tank factory in five years 10 tanks were manufactured under a Thai contract. Was powerful, yes. Was, but swam.

[onix757]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Bad, to say the least, now from Ukraine sales market

Putin decided whether he should be good or good in 2014 when he spoke for the protection of the Russians.

They made fun of the "powerful military-industrial complex".

In vain, in Russia, the closure of defense enterprises took place and is happening much faster than there.

over the course of five years, 10 tanks were manufactured at the head tank factory under the Thai contract.

But this does not negate the fact that there is a plant and people work at it. Accordingly, with a competent statement of the matter, I could work with a vengeance in our interests. But the Russian Federation has its own path, as the recent GDP was justified, we are not building the USSR-2.

[V.ic]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

So nothing prevents setting up a release in Russia

Do you consider yourself a specialist in engine building? Can you imagine that a particular type of engine matches a specific number of identical vanes in a turbocharger? To make ONE blade = this is to first make an almost single crystal of metal of specific sizes and do a hell of a heap of operations with it before allowing it to assemble a specific stage of the turbocharger. These are not pistons for automobile manufacturing, other loads and operating conditions are extreme. There were timid attempts to /! Projects! / To launch the release of TV3-117 in Perm in 1987, but they were nipped in the bud by the cleanser Gorbaty / Mecheny.

[mart-kot]

Not sts in compote, in Perm everything is okay docks, we need to do shovels, we’ll have power, we’ll only expand them, restore the workshop and go back into battle. And so we work and collect engines.

[mart-kot]

Not sts in compote, in Perm everything is okay docks, we need to do shovels, we’ll have power, we’ll only expand them, restore the workshop and go back into battle. And so we work and collect engines.

[Horst78]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Do not remember April 2014? And I remember.

Remember and don’t understand HOW SO?

[Hyppopotut]

I'm sorry too. Moreover, this is my hometown, and the plant where my parents and grandfathers worked all their lives ...
Only recently I came across the composition of the Security Council of Ukraine, and it turns out that Boguslaev is included !!!

[34 region]

As I understand it, this is done at state enterprises. Will privatize as ineffective? All ears have already buzzed for us, only private is effective!

[lukke]

I read the title of the article and thought - is it possible that the next merit of a fraction will be painted ?!)

[pts-m]

The main thing is not to forget to update your Armed Forces.! And the beginning is always difficult, and then like clockwork. Verified in practice. Good luck to helicopter builders and their suppliers!

[Ingvar 72]

I watched his interview. Double feeling. As for the defense, everything seems to be right, but as for AvtoVAZ, he said that there would be no more reductions, there would be a natural decline. What is it like? Farce, and cynical. I live in Togliatti. Forced to write a statement of their own volition.

[Barakuda]

So I do not catch up even kill. How can a country produce the best rocket, airplane, tank engines, turbines for nuclear power plants in the world .. not create a normal, reliable, automotive, economical engine.?
They cannot, do not believe, DO NOT WANT and DO NOT GIVE those sitting in the Duma.
Here Valuev for example, what is he doing there?

[onix757]

Quote: Barracuda

So I do not catch up even kill. How can a country produce the world's best rocket, aircraft, tank engines, turbines for nuclear power plants ..

The design school has been lost. Stupidly buying a license and stamping, about their development is out of the question. When the Union had a full production cycle, now the head plants are forced to do what they can find and preferably cheaper.

[avt]

Quote: Barracuda

T sitting in the Duma.
Here Valuev for example, what is he doing there?

So you won’t answer right away ... the first thing that comes to mind is Caligula who rode into the Senate there on a horse and appointed him a senator, and he was also going to make the horse a consul.

[veksha50]

Quote: Barracuda

Here Valuev for example, what is he doing there?

Hmm, I found someone to complain about in the Duma ... Yes, he is probably the most harmless there ... Due to some specific features ... Like Klitschko, he doesn’t break into mayor-governor-speaker ... Otherwise, he’s ...

There is someone to present about what they are doing in the Duma ...

[V.ic]

Quote: Barracuda

Do not create a normal, reliable, automotive, economical engine.?

This mystery is great, it is covered with darkness!

[34 region]

Probably not by choice, but by agreement of the parties. With the payment of the average monthly salary. Maybe I'm wrong. But in my opinion, layoffs follow this pattern. Or you work out for three months with a salary lower than the minimum wage and upon dismissal you get the average for the last three months. So it turns out the dismissal of their own.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Region 34

So it turns out the dismissal of their own.

But in reality this is a reduction.

[34 region]

The reality is contraction. But we also live in a virtual world. Announce salary increase. Hooray! The prize is being cut. Result? The amount has not changed. And on papers, the salary was increased. Another variant. You remain after work. Hours more salary per month more. According to the report, salary for the month increased. And you are talking about reality.

[Mountain shooter]

The helicopter industry in Russia has always been at the world level. They left the engines for something in Ukraine, but who knew ... But the development of the engines is our own, and therefore, we will deploy our release, and MotorSich goes where it wants, together with ... The only one in the world is produced in Russia a combat helicopter with a pine scheme, which has prospects of switching to high-speed helicopters - moreover, steeper than the Osprey and Sikorskys. Our avionics is developing and renewing very quickly.

[V.ic]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The only pine helicopter combat helicopter in the world is produced in Russia,

A coaxial helicopter is just a slightly different VR-252 gearbox, which reduces the engine speed to 272-270 rpm and a column of rotors transmitting torque to the rotary screw system. Read Arlazorov's book "Propeller and Wing", where the advantages of the coaxial scheme are considered.

[Barakuda]

Well, yes, here all theorists with knowledge gathered, and ran to institute libraries (where they are not allowed without a pass ticket) taking with them an engineering calculator, a couple of sheets of whatman ... and a culman behind ... (tablet)
How many Sikorsky helicopters did he take? At Rachmaninov's house he lived in the states, until he got to his feet.
I, for example, "FOR" the coaxial scheme, but not in all different cases.

[moskowit]

Oh well. The output in the USSR has always been compared with the imperial indicators of 1913 of the year. And what current and future Russian will we compare with what year, with 1983?

[34 region]

Yes, it’s certainly interesting to compare the indicators of the 80th or 90th year with today's. But for some reason such comparisons are embarrassed to do, modest! Though! There are comparisons in the number of stores and foreign cars per capita!

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

Mi28 and Mi26 fly over my head so often that I just wonder if I didn't hear the roar of the engines and did not notice the turntable "hurrying about its business" !!!

[Orenburg]

Quote: bespectacled

Quote: Ami du peuple

Right now, Serdyukov Anatoly Eduardovich, correct this annoying flaw.

Who would doubt ...

And then the supreme will cover him again, will pass by as a witness. The raven will not peck out the crow's eye!

[chunga-changa]

In the 80s, approximately 500 pieces were produced. in year. Maybe uncle compares with 90-91 year, there could be worse. But most likely it’s just lying, like everyone is so stupid, no one will check.

[Ivan Ivanovich]

Really caught up with the USSR ?! Something is not believed ...

[Anisim1977]

And why not catch up. With all my great respect for the USSR, he had one weakness in production - the dispersion of component suppliers throughout the vast country. What is the cost of such logistics?
If we want to produce a competitive product, we cannot do without new plants, as well as without narrowing the geography of supplies of components for the product.
An example is the Elektropribor factory in Voronezh - a theme, something related to military rocket science, employed 5000 people. Considering that since 1998, its checkpoint has been, almost in front of my eyes, exported not enough products.
And in the new factories, from zero - 600 people work, but a decent amount - this is the key to competitiveness.

[V.ic]

Quote: Anisim1977

he had one weakness in production - the dispersion of component suppliers throughout the vast country. What is the cost of such logistics?

You're not right. Albert Speer, Minister of Arms and Military Industry of the Third Reich, introduced this armament production scheme, which is not very vulnerable to air strikes. The Luftwaffe made two air raids on the Gorky Bearing Plant. The volume of production in the USSR was saved by the availability of mobilization stocks of the necessary nomenclature of bearings and emergency supplies of it under Lend-Lease.

[Rigla]

There is no hope in the shifters of the Ukrainians, it is necessary to raise the engine industry on their own. At the same time worsened the financial life of creatures ukrov.

[tinibar]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Quote: dauria

came out at 900 per month

Per month?! Oh, what for

Apparently a typo, was meant in a year ...

[smith7]

Quote: cniza

God forbid, that would have surpassed all the conditions.

Fine, I agree. But I also want the "consumer goods" of Russian production to be "ahead of the whole planet." If the efforts of industry are thrown on industrial goods, then this will literally mean the Golden Age of Russia, for the persecution of Russia by its centuries-old enemies will end. Dream. In the meantime, we need helicopters, ships, missile systems and tighten our belts. Otherwise - economic slavery. We cannot afford to "fatten" at the expense of the rest of the World, as the oligarchic economies of the world's evil do.

[Mikhalych 70]

Comrades! Do I have one "deja vu"? I remember my childhood associations: we are against the imperialists of the world. The army is strong, the defense industry is at its height, jeans are only on the "gallery" (for those in St. Petersburg, who are in the subject). Then Labeled Union merged, EBN added, and there were "boiled-downs" from cooperators, then we became friends with the whole world, "MD" appeared, but the army stopped conducting exercises. A lot of things happened, in the end we showed that we can snap, shoot from the Caspian, and raise "strategists." So I understand with my head that it is necessary to "tighten the belts" again so that there is enough money in the country for wires to the Crimea and kerosene for airplanes. But! Light industry again, it turns out in opera? So what ? Again, "... we have the best rockets and ballet!" ?! I don't think we will have our own teapots ... Or-or ... Well, better let the terrorists scatter to shreds in the desert ...

[Alcoholic]

Yes, normal :)
There is no need to count on more.
There is no one to work.
Yes, no one will go to such pay
(It’s bad to say so, but fact is fact)

[okroshka79]

I want to add to the comment Anisim1977. The spread of allies, of course, made production more expensive, but not significantly. But this was done quite consciously to create industries and jobs evenly throughout the country. Such was the economic policy of the state. Moreover, on average, transportation costs amounted to no more than 2% of the cost of production of military products, despite the geographical location of the enterprise. And in the presence of stable state orders, the delivery of components to assembly plants was carried out in a timely manner on a contractual basis. So, there was no particular weakness in the military production of remoteness of suppliers of components for MZK. On the contrary, many social problems were simultaneously solved.

[for_White_Only]

Quote: dauria

God forbid, that would have surpassed all the conditions.

Arseniev, Kazan, Ulan-Ude .... came out at 900 per month. Once we got a board for the new year in Arseniev - there was such a parking lot at the factory, they even asked us to fly around an unpainted board and sign acts (something with a premium there). So far from the USSR. 300 per year is the capacity of one plant. You know, women collected helicopters at the Sazykin plant. A bow to those workers. There were no complaints about cars for a couple of years ...

Yes, yes, yes)) 900 per year)) ahah) komunyaki omnipotent)
The tablet cited GELEZNII_KAPUT (1) RU Today, 15:00

[V.ic]

Quote: for_White_Only

Yes, yes, yes)) 900 per year)) ahah) komunyaki omnipotent)

You yourself are only capable of producing fertilizer and related miasms.

[colonel manuch]

Such news is encouraging, but for some reason the presence of Serdyukov is immediately alarming: again, he will find some sort of Vasiliev. Time will tell, but I think they warmed it in vain.

[Zaurbek]

The next stage is the change of the Mi 8 generation and the development of lighter vehicles and a high-speed helicopter. This is the engine of the industry and the key to success for 50 years. By analogy with the Mi 8

[V.ic]

Quote: Zaurbek

The next stage is the change of the Mi 8 generation and the development of lighter vehicles and a high-speed helicopter

Dear, Mi-8 = this is a classic of the genre of helicopter production. Porsche Cayenne does not differ fundamentally from Fiat 124. Wheels 4 (four), engine 1 (one), etc. Qualitatively, the era of helicopters will end when the ground speed reaches about 400 km / h, the gross / net carrying capacity is 15 / 6,5 tons and the range is the same 800 (well, maximum 850) km. Further development only tuning and additional gimmicks. Air is still a compressible medium, which increases the resistance to the movement of the aircraft not only in proportion to the increase in the speed of its movement, but even in proportion to the square and then to the cube of the speed of movement. The speeds of the rotor tips of helicopters tend to the speed of sound, but will not exceed it ... And this is the finish! Imagine another important point that the main rotor blade with a positive angle of attack in the direction of its movement, coinciding with the direction of the aircraft's movement, should change the angle of attack to negative when rotating against the aircraft's movement. Calculate the bending moments acting on the blade when cycling the propeller pitch. Divide the total weight of the helicopter by the number of blades, it turns out that each propeller blade must withstand the resulting DOUBLE load approximately "four" times per second (more in coaxial / less in transverse). The design of the blades is now approaching practical ultimate strength. And without the development of breakthrough technologies in the production of blades or their design, a technological and design dead end for the development of helicopters looms ahead.

[Zaurbek]

Dear, I have no complaints about the principle of flight with MI 8. Good car. But without a change of generations in 5-10 years, sales will go down due to competition, the cost of transported cargo, the cost of flight hours,% of combat-ready helicopters. Materials and engineering solutions are already ahead. Therefore, a successor is needed. And you need to learn in time to change the lineup.

[bashkort]

In Kumertau, helicopters of the Ka family also produced and are releasing. Since this year, the enterprise with Kazan has been merged into one holding.

[V.ic]

Quote: bashkort

In Kumertau, more Ka family helicopters let out и produce.

On the first question no objection. And what about second question is it possible in more detail about those ordered under the contract for 2016? Something I'm not aware of about the release. Not everything that flies is manufactured / manufactured, although almost everything that was once made and then repaired flies.

Quote: bashkort

Since this year, the enterprise with Kazan combine in one holding.

And it fills the consciousness of "bashkort" with inexpressible joy? Where will the money be transferred by "escenem"?

[veksha50]

"already this year we are producing about 30 pieces, although we need 300. But, I think that next year we have will be closer to 200"...

Hmm ... the walking one will master the road ... and then he will be able to master the mountain ... Water does not flow under a lying stone ...

Even in other industries, there would have been shifts ... In general, as always: I needed a pendel to make it ourselves ...

We do not need globalization, we need our own and only our own industrial products ...

Now they are throwing stones at them, however - how not to say "Glory to Ukraine" ???

PS At least in some sense it’s useful - they began to make engines for helicopters themselves, rockets ... Now we would have mastered the line of aircraft to replace the family of reliable old Anovs ... Well, engines for ships ...

[Yak28]

In the USSR, only about 300 MI-8 helicopters were made a year.

[AIR ZNAK]

Quote: pvv113

You still forgot Rostov. In Kazan and Ulan-Ude, plants produce Mi-8, Mi-17 and their modifications, and in Arsenyev and Rostov Mi-24, Mi-35 of all modifications

And also the MV Milksh MVZ in Tomilino-Nearest Moscow Region and Kumertau with the Ukhtomsky Helicopter Plant in Moscow. Last-from Kamov’s company

[Ilya77]

I'm glad for the defense industry, I myself work in it, in aviation. Only here I have doubts about the need for these state corporations - we ourselves enter into it, only the good of it .. here Mayweather came, Rostec paid, asked what side? They took it, threw out five million dollars, and also organized it sucks. It is possible for our plant to pay a salary for this money for a year. It feels like all these UAC, USC, Rostec are pure, so that there people would be lured and cut ribbons, and money would be pumped through themselves, but this does not affect ordinary workers at all. Of course, on the one hand, sometimes it’s not good when a private owner owns a defense plant, it often ends in tears with us, but then again, it’s not necessary to create state corporations, well, or something more modest.

[V.ic]

Quote: Ilya77

money was pumped through itself, but this does not affect us at all for ordinary workers.

Well, now you understand why and for whom it was done!

[holgert]

I would like something new, and not just the developments of the USSR. Where are new ideas, thoughts, projects ??? I won’t believe that they are not ---- it’s just profitable to stamp old ones !!!! And the fact that MI-8 is a cool machine -so you don’t need to talk about this !!!!! New ideas in the New Year !!!!

[Siberian]

Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT

Quote: dauria

Arseniev, Kazan, Ulan-Ude .... came out at 900 per month. Once we got a board for the new year in Arseniev - there was such a parking lot at the factory, they even asked us to fly around an unpainted board and sign acts (something with a premium there). So far from the USSR. 300 per year is the capacity of one plant. You know, women collected helicopters at the Sazykin plant. A bow to those workers. There were no complaints about cars for a couple of years ...

I found the info.

...... Your info is true and those who try to challenge it simply simply do not own the information. Anyway, the basis of the helicopter is the engine. And what is finally expected in 2016, as many as 200 VK-2500 engines, says a lot and confirms the author’s correctness in the fact that we really mastered the exit of helicopters in the same way as in Soviet times. And this is already a big brick in a building being built by Russia, which is called import substitution. So, here we are, in the helicopter park being built by the country, we don’t depend on anyone will be.

[zinander]

I don’t know what about the Soviet period, but at the moment there are almost no orders for the KVZ and many are sent on administrative holidays. This is information for consideration, and the problem with the engines is very big.

[marder4]

where so much to us

[Orionvit]

Quote: Alekseev

Quote: dauria

came out at 900 per month

This aircraft came out a different year under 900. And the number of helicopters from 300 to 400. So "Russian Helicopters" is at the level, God forbid, and so on to others.
However, the amount left in the past. Now the emphasis in the development of arms and military equipment (and indeed) on quality. There will be neither Ka-52 helicopters, nor T-14 tanks, and many thousands, like their predecessors, are not needed.
I'm not saying that everything is fine. A lot is still very bad. But the example of helicopter builders is encouraging.

In the 80s "Motor Sich", then just the Zaporozhye Motor Building Plant, produced 15 to 20 helicopter engines per day. Afghanistan ate a lot of motors.

[serg.ru]

Serdyukov on the board of directors of Rostec is the sunset of Russian aviation

[V.ic]

Quote: serg.ru

Serdyukov on the board of directors of Rostec

Serdyuk come over a mess!

[23424636]

I remember how they advertised a new plant under Peter Klimov. Already a couple of years have passed, but only 30 pieces ?! It’s just time to open a low-cost airline to Kolyma and everyone who is tired of an undertaking not to leave the place. It’s probably more fun to buy from Zaporizhzhya MotorSichi 117 for a look. There, in Snezhnoye, mine 18 has its branch, titanium parts do, maybe there guys will launch it faster than fat St. Petersburg cats. The salary at the mine in Snezhnoye miner is 6 thousand Russian rubles.

[Zaurbek]

Engine production is a high-margin business and the salary of the worker does not affect the final price of a helicopter or aircraft engine, but the qualification of the worker is very much affected, plus the machine park. And you need to motivate and the final result needs to be tied with Ukraine, maybe someone needs to be lured.