A little about kirzachah

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In 1904, Russian inventor Mikhail Mikhailovich Pomortsev received a new material - kersey: canvas fabric, impregnated with a mixture of paraffin, rosin and egg yolk. The properties of the new, very cheap material were very similar to the skin: it did not let in moisture, but it also breathed. True, its purpose at first was rather narrow: during the Russo-Japanese War, ammunition for horses, bags and covers for artillery were made of kersey.

Pomortsev's material was appreciated, it was already decided to let out boots from a kersey, but their production was not adjusted at that time. Mikhail Mikhailovich died, and the boots that were not made were, so to speak, put aside for almost twenty years.



Soldier’s shoes owed his second birth to chemist Ivan Vasilyevich Plotnikov, a native of the Tambov Region, a graduate of the Dmitri Mendeleev Moscow Chemical Technology Institute. The country had established production of "kirzachs", but their first use showed that in the cold the boots cracked, hardened and became brittle. We collected a special commission, asked Ivan Vasilyevich:
- Why is your kersey so cold and not breathing?
“Because the bull and the cow have not yet shared with us all their secrets,” answered the chemist.

For such audacity Plotnikov, of course, could be punished. However, this was not done. He was commissioned to improve the technology of production of kersey.

... The Great Patriotic War began. The importance of comfortable and cheap soldier's shoes turned out to be so significant that Kosygin himself was in charge of this question. After all, the army demanded enormous material resources, neither army shoes nor boots were sorely lacking. Leather shoes were just not doing anything. And the Soviet government even issued a closed order on the start of production of bast shoes for the Red Army, in order to put on soldiers at least for summer time and have time to resolve the issue with boots.

At the beginning of the war, Ivan Vasilyevich Plotnikov was taken to the Moscow militia. However, after a few weeks, many scientists were returned to the rear. Plotnikov was appointed director and at the same time the chief engineer of the Kozhimit plant and set the task in the shortest possible time to improve the manufacturing technology of tarpaulin boots.

Plotnikov coped with the task in a short time - by the end of 1941, the production of boots was established in the city of Kirov, where he worked at that time.



Many people think that the kirsa got its name precisely because Kirov became the first production city (Kirza in abbreviated form - Kirovsky Zavod). And there is an opinion that the boots are named so because they were originally made using coarse wool fabric, originating in the English village of Kersey, where they had long been breeding special breed sheep. There is also a version that the shoe "name" came from the name of the cracked and frozen top layer of the earth - kersey (remember, the first kersey also turned out to be brittle in the cold).

So, the production was adjusted. The boots were immediately highly appreciated by the soldiers: high - no swamp, almost impermeable, but breathable. The upper leg protects against mechanical damage, injury and burns. Another undoubted advantage: there is no need for laces and zippers. However, wearing a kirzachi was very inconvenient: after a few hours, the sock would certainly hit the heel and there would be calluses. And it turned out to be difficult to provide the whole army with socks of the required size. Russian savvy came to the rescue: footballers! Once they are wrapped correctly around the leg, the problem is solved. Moreover, in the case of wetting, they can be wound down with the other side - and the leg will still remain dry, and the wet edge of the fabric will dry out, wrapped around the ankle. In the cold, the soldiers would wind several sisters at once, and lay newspapers in the spacious leg of the kirzachs: an air corridor was created and at the same time a layer - and it was kept warm. And what to say that you can make a footwoman with anything. To her it is not necessary to pick up a pair and look for the right size. The lines themselves come to mind from the famous Kataev's story The Son of the Regiment:

“...- So, shepherd,” said Bidenko sternly, instructively, “it comes out that you didn’t make a real soldier, let alone an artilleryman. What kind of battery are you, if you don’t even know how to wrap a footcloth as expected? No you are not a battery, friend of the heart .... So, one thing: you have to teach you how to wrap footcloths, as every cultural warrior should be. And this will be your first soldier science. Look

With these words, Bidenko spread his footcloth on the floor and firmly put his bare foot on it. He put it a little obliquely, closer to the edge, and this triangular edge slipped under the fingers. Then he strongly pulled the long side of the footcloth, so that not a single wrinkle appeared on it. He slightly admired the tight cloth and suddenly, with lightning speed, with a light, precise air movement, he grabbed his leg, wrapped the heel abruptly around the cloth, intercepted with his free hand, made a sharp corner and wrapped the rest of his leg around the ankle in two turns. Now his leg was tight, without a single wrinkle, was swaddled like a child ... ”

Of course, the boots did not shine with beauty and grace, as, for example, American boots. However, here is a quote from the book of General O. Bredley, the author of the book "History of a soldier ”:“ By the end of January (this is the last military winter of 1944-1945), the disease of foot rheumatism reached such a large size that the American command was at a standstill. We were completely unprepared for this disaster, partly as a result of our own negligence; by the time we started instructing the soldiers, what kind of foot care is needed and what needs to be done so that the boots do not get wet, rheumatism has already spread throughout the army with the swiftness of the plague. About twelve thousand people got sick and because of this, their boots, consider, destroyed a whole American division in a month. The Soviet Army did not know this misfortune ... "

By the end of the Great Patriotic War, the Red Army numbered about ten million soldiers shod with tarpaulin shoes. The effectiveness of this production in the early years was approximately thirty million rubles a year.

And what about the Carpenters? For his invention in April 1942, he was awarded the Stalin Prize. During his life he prepared about 200 scientific and technical works, received more than fifty copyright certificates. Ivan Vasilyevich lived to a great old age and died in the year 1995. Today his name is the vocational school number XXUMX of the village of Novikova: previously it was a parochial school, which Ivan Vasilievich graduated from.

And in the village of Star Perm region a monument to tarpaulin boots is erected. They are made in such a way that anyone can try them on.

A little about kirzachah


It remains to add this. Not far from my house, literally a ten-minute walk, there is a small army shop. I recently went there and talked to the seller: do the kirzacs take these days? Take. They are in great demand among hunters and fishermen. As a comment, the seller listed me the excellent properties of these boots. But I already wrote about them above.
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  1. +53
    29 December 2015 06: 49
    Yes, kirzachi and footcloths, this thing! Convenient, easy and simple.
    I had boots in the army, but rarely walked in them. Mostly he dragged boots with footcloths.
    1. jjj
      +21
      29 December 2015 13: 03
      In winter, by the way, in the Red and Soviet Armies relied boots and quilted cotton pants
      1. +25
        29 December 2015 14: 13
        I just want to quote from the movie "Only old men go to battle"
        "" So - Boot is safer in battle ""
        Thanks for the interesting stuff.
        1. +19
          29 December 2015 15: 28
          I’ll keep my shoe in the canvas
          I'll take it to my war museum
          And put it under the glass
          What are we to her
          Lucky ...

          Stan Golem
          1. new
            +28
            29 December 2015 18: 50
            Quote: Alena Frolovna
            Lucky ...

            More fortunate not even with boots, but with footcloths. Immediately four pairs of unbreakable fresh socks in the form of two footcloths. There are many things to replace boots with, these are yuft, yalow, and chrome. Although for large parties, there is no alternative to kirzachs early. But footcloths have nothing to replace.
      2. +35
        29 December 2015 17: 36
        In winter, we also issued clothcloths. I wound them over thin hebe footcloths. Fully felt boots were not replaced, but were very warm. And even between these two footcloths if you lay a newspaper from below as an insole, it’s generally warm. The child served in the Marine Corps 2014-2015 urgent year. I looked at their shoes. Of course, winter boots are warm, good, but I believe that replacing boots and tarpaulin boots without losing quality is so far unrealistic. Yes, and footcloths to replace with socks is impractical. The footcloth and wash easier and dry, as explained in the article. And most importantly: a footcloth (correctly wound), you will never erase your feet.
        1. +22
          29 December 2015 17: 57
          I wound them over thin hebe footcloths
          And on the contrary, at first I wound the cloth, and on top - x \ b. It was better - the wool absorbed sweat better, and on top of the cotton cloth, the cloth protected the woolen from abrasion, and, moreover, the cotton cloth under the cotton kept the heat better. And compared to socks, foot cloth is much more practical. The main thing is to wrap it correctly. soldier
          And in a foreign country (MPR) he wore yuft. The latter, of course, are more durable for abrasion (leg by foot - and the kirsa was wiped much earlier than the yuft), but this is how someone walks. But the tarpaulin is much easier and does not freeze in the cold. Sometimes you come from the guard to the barracks from the frost (-40С), and the shafts are already made white in the heat, and in the training (Chita) the kirsa did not turn white, although there and there the frosts were not children.
          1. +7
            29 December 2015 19: 27
            Quote: Black Colonel
            and in the study (Chita) the kirsa didn’t turn white,

            Humidity is different in the air in winter. We have on the Kolsky Square, where the Gulf Stream does not freeze and when -25 boots stand on end.
            1. +1
              2 January 2016 08: 37
              Just wanted to say the same. I visited both Chita and Ulan Bator. There is a lot of snow in Chita, and in Mongolia, even with severe frosts, it will sprinkle slightly ... and then, more likely, frost than snow. So, I think, in the barracks the air was more humid than on the street, which is why the boots were white.
        2. +6
          29 December 2015 19: 19
          Quote: kyznets
          In winter, we also issued clothcloths.

          In fact, they were flannel (cloth, just issued in the summer, but in winter they did not give out). Although, the small (but not always unimportant) features of the service for all may differ. We didn’t wash the footcloths (they were taken to the laundry). Thu such a footcloth (and how to wind it correctly) I still know. But you must admit: washing a sock is much faster than a large footcloth. That is, either you proudly boast that your wife always erases your socks, or simply repeat the hackneyed stamp.
          By the way, it’s not the sock or the footcloth that erases the leg, but the discrepancy between the actual size of the person’s legs and the standard step of the pads (I’ve marched and wore barefoot in my boots, I have such a good leg, size 43, of an army shoe block).
          1. +11
            30 December 2015 06: 41
            That's right! Flannel footcloths were given to us. And when on the "bath" day we changed the linen, then the footcloths were also changed.
          2. +1
            31 July 2016 15: 10
            We changed footcloths in the bathhouse. Dirty passed, clean received. But it was necessary to wash between the baths (usually rinsed and squeezed) so that the stench would not stand in the barracks. They simply did not respect those who have smelly footcloths.
            Looks like footcloths were all sorts depending on the climate. I served in the Far East in the Primorsky Territory. In summer there were ordinary cotton, and in winter a couple of flannel (winter) ones were added. Feet froze if it was cold, but newspaper or wool socks from home helped. They did not chase us for them.
        3. +3
          30 December 2015 12: 31
          Quote: kyznets
          And most importantly: a footcloth (correctly wound), you will never erase your feet.

          And you learn to wind the footcloth well by rubbing your leg. Who was not trained before the army. For example me...
        4. -2
          1 January 2016 05: 37
          Quote: kyznets
          footcloths to replace with socks is impractical. Footcloth and wash easier and dry

          Yes, how much can these tales of highland give out then?
          Like a dirty wet rag wrapped around his leg, he folded it differently, wound it like a new one. Or that wrapping a footcloth over a bolt will protect against unwanted pregnancy.
          In the courtyard of the 21 century, forget about the tarpaulin govnodavs, footcloths and the combat effectiveness of the Mosin rifle.
          Example, only the Soviet government forced the Cossacks to pick up the Mosin rifle, and before that 30 years went with the Berdan rifle. So what if it’s single-shot, a good shooter and one bullet are enough, and the bayonet is well done. Let the smoky gunpowder, but the caliber is larger, and less need to be cleaned
          1. 0
            26 November 2016 23: 03
            glass horseradish for five minutes, I didn’t see it right away, the footcloth is good to rewind on a halt, and my legs breathe and do not freeze in the dry right away, -40 it's felt boots, and in the middle strip the tarpaulin is good, in autumn and spring, well and in winter if not frosts, and if you run on a simulator, you do not need anything except sports slippers
        5. 0
          1 January 2016 06: 54
          And in Kamchatka we had three kinds of footcloths, black (felts wool felts h.B), flannel and cloth (summer). We always wound one at a time, well, in the summer they preferred flannel (and it is denser and sweats less) and the boots were thickened the sole.
      3. +4
        29 December 2015 22: 54
        There was a lot that was supposed to be in the war, but not enough - my grandfather and his part saw the boots only in the summer of 1944. Before that, boots with windings. And according to conversations from other parts - the boots were given out once (for 3 years of service), and if they went bad they would give out the same boots. There were enough of them.
      4. +9
        30 December 2015 06: 36
        Oh, I still remember the "kirzachi", and army boots, and wadded trousers, and "quilted jackets" under an overcoat, and a "guardian" sheepskin coat, and winter nights in cold kungas or tents .... all the difficulties were fig ".... because everything was" in front "
      5. +1
        30 December 2015 12: 23
        Well, yes, he did. It was necessary ...
    2. +8
      29 December 2015 19: 01
      Quote: Glot
      I had boots in the army, but rarely walked in them. Mostly he dragged boots with footcloths.

      In the army, in fact, no one carried anything. The uniform is determined by order. For the soldiers, the boots were supposed to be used only for the full dress without a belt (only when fired), the officers did not wear a tarpaulin.
      Even with my very comfortable (from the point of view of physical load on shoes) service in the army, not a single tarpaulin boots could withstand the prescribed wearing period of 8 months without serious damage (previously it was a year). In the field (especially during periods of thaw), such shoes fall apart in a month at most. The kerosene shaft is rubbed over inevitable folds. Of course, its "famous" water resistance and heat resistance immediately disappear.
      Dermantin - he even remained in the Soviet Army.
      1. +10
        30 December 2015 00: 09
        Kirsa in the army rushed as it should be and still remained the next generations.
        I will not speak for the Kola Peninsula, New Land and Kushka - I do not know ..
        I know for the Kostroma, Yaroslavl, Nizhny Novgorod provinces and Balkhash.
        According to the status I was supposed to wear chrome and yal, but with pleasure, especially in the heat, I wore a kersey.
        Moreover, all the "running" boots were from "special" SPECIAL WAY worn kirzach.
        Who crosses on sports holidays at the weekend ran he remembers.
        Sincerely.
        Shl. sneakers bylaws were not comme il faut.
        1. +1
          30 December 2015 20: 30
          The accuracy of 1982, from Blagoveshchensk to Germany, I can confirm!
      2. +12
        30 December 2015 06: 25
        In the army, in fact, no one carried anything. The uniform is determined by order. For the soldiers, the boots were supposed to be used only for the full dress without a belt (only when fired), the officers did not wear a tarpaulin.


        Man, as they say: It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines. laughing
        Have you heard about the so-called "boots"? We really called them "jump boots". There were winter and summer ones. And to dress what you want, or what to eat, what where I could nadybat, what is convenient - then they wore. Boots, "ankle boots", sneakers / sneakers, everyone decided for himself. It is the same with the whole form. Especially when in an RPG somewhere, or butter the far flank. At this point, such a hodgepodge came out, who in what way. I will also upset all lovers of the charter life. laughing Neither hemming, nor insignia or identification of affiliation, too, often did not exist at all. Both on footwear, and on clothes. Something was given out, something was exchanged, something was completely bought or sent from the house.
        Such is the service.
        And you say, "it was determined by the order" ...
        Regulations they are often somewhere out there, far-oh-oh-oh ... Where equipped barracks, parade grounds and so on. And I spent all two years in a tent, at the distant "points" in "form No. 8". laughing Do you know how to translate? That cn **** is something we wear. laughing
        1. +1
          8 July 2016 22: 30
          Do you know how to translate? That cn **** is something we wear.

          In the mid-80s he served in a special communications battalion. We were given the summer ones, but we ran cross-country and march-throws in kirzach. They are both lighter and their legs breathe. For 2 years of service he ran more than 18 years before that passed. hi
      3. +5
        30 December 2015 12: 37
        Quote: uwzek
        officers did not wear a kersey

        "Partisans" wore. According to the norms of clothing allowance, if memory serves, the officers received new uniforms, including tarpaulin boots. In fact, in 1981 he received a new one at the training camp, in 1986 all the partisans dressed in used ones.
      4. +2
        1 January 2016 19: 58
        Quote: uwzek
        Nobody carried anything in the army. The uniform is determined by order.

        Ugums) it infuriated wild-ear-flaps worn from October 11 to April 11 and ears in a hat can be lowered by order of the commander-in-chief or at -25
    3. +38
      29 December 2015 19: 25
      I was not in the army, but I had an excellent father who taught me to wrap footcloths in the evenings. And when it didn’t work out, patiently showed it again and again. And I was about 10. When I gave birth to my first child, I swaddled all the children in the hospital, as if I had been doing this all my life. Only then I realized where the skills came from.
      1. 0
        29 December 2015 19: 35
        Quote: rfnthtirf
        When she gave birth to her first child, she swaddled all the children in the hospital, as if she had been doing this all her life.

        Itishkin light, the darkest thing is grandmothers, they are in the family house. laughing Especially then who will be responsible for the grandchildren, the check will be answered. At the moment, dad and mom can relax. Grandfathers and grandmother to what! laughing
        So advice, give birth .... laughing
        But by the time I’m getting close, grandchildren, already a cousin and then ... laughing
        1. 0
          30 December 2015 12: 38
          Quote: marshes
          But by the time I’m getting close, grandchildren, already a cousin and then ...

          Twice grandfather, we are waiting for more.
    4. +7
      29 December 2015 21: 31
      Quote: Glot
      Yes, kirzachi and footcloths, this thing! Convenient, easy and simple.
      I had boots in the army, but rarely walked in them. Mostly he dragged boots with footcloths.

      In SA, Kirza was used only on the top, the shoe was made of cowhide. The drawback of tarpaulin boots was that with constant wear they were wiped to holes in the ankle area after five to six months. The most practical and comfortable boots that I had to wear in the army are yuft boots with a thick microporous sole. Comfortable, the leg is at home, socks and waterproof, The main thing is that on micropore the preventive maintenance should be changed and printed.
      1. +2
        30 December 2015 12: 40
        Quote: Nick
        The most practical and comfortable boots that I had to wear in the army are yuft

        0,5 kg is heavier than steam than tarpaulin. Weighed in due time.
        1. +1
          31 December 2015 14: 41
          Quote: 97110
          Quote: Nick
          The most practical and comfortable boots that I had to wear in the army are yuft

          0,5 kg is heavier than steam than tarpaulin. Weighed in due time.

          But more durable, and most importantly comfortable
    5. +6
      30 December 2015 10: 49
      One of the best army kirzachi memories! smile It’s convenient, fast, always dry and comfortable. And the smell! You go after the lights out when you are on duty in the company. A mixture of mastic, tarpaulin, laundry soap and footcloths. It's something. It smells like Guys. hi
      1. +8
        30 December 2015 12: 42
        Quote: Served once
        And the smell!

        In the tent USB-56 (I remember the name by rumor), we must fight back with the entire platoon. If you enter a tent that has already been broken off, the smell hurts your eyes.
      2. +18
        30 December 2015 16: 59
        I argue with anyone and prove that it is better, that it was not going to be worse and I am not going to. I honestly spent two years in kirzachs and footcloths. This is My Memory. Just like the Memory of my colleagues from Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Russia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia and other former republics of the USSR. My opinion is excellent shoes. And if suddenly the "partners" decide to teach us the basics of "democracy" in a land battle, I will put on kirzachi again and jump into T-54,55,62,72, MTLB, ATC, pt-76 or whatever remains after preventive strikes hi Well, let progress give the Russian army new "kirzachs", t-34 and ak-47. Let the new Russian Army be dressed and armed in a new way, as it should be. Generation from 40 to 60 and in the old fashioned agree to put on shoes, arm and if we must give our lives for the Motherland. soldier All with the Coming! And so that there is no war ...
        1. +2
          30 December 2015 17: 19
          I support! The fascists will not come to us!
        2. -15
          30 December 2015 21: 39
          .Generation from 40 to 60 and in the old fashion will agree to put on shoes, arm and .... Well, let them put on the skins of cave bears, bast shoes, take a stone ax from their hands and shout Aaa !! Tudyt your bother !!! They will run to reactive systems. Rapid-firing machine guns, the latest tanks, infantry dressed in the latest uniforms and personal defense systems .. A kind of Budyonny cavalry on enemy tank columns. Throw you cap-bail! Russians are smart and talented people! The people are the winner! Worthy of the world's best weapons and uniforms! Glory to Russia!!!!
    6. -15
      30 December 2015 13: 01
      Mr. .. my friend these are your kirzachi ... and footcloths. They have fulfilled their role. For the poor and the vast country, this was the way out. And if now shoe the army in kirzachi and footcloths - a shame! Shoes should be leather, comfortable, Lightweight, warm, not wet. Everything else kirzachi and footcloths ...
      1. -16
        30 December 2015 15: 15
        Well, the club in the Stone Age is a super weapon. Progress is inevitable. Well, if you like kirzachi and footcloths that way .. Dress and wear without taking off. Good luck to everyone in the New Year !!
        1. 0
          2 January 2016 08: 49
          And what do you actually have against clubs? Or are there few such devices used now? If, for example, a rubber truncheon, or a folding telescopic baton, or has a handle on the side, then the mechanics of application remain the same. Cudgel - she is a cudgel and is, even "super-tenological". request
      2. +1
        31 December 2015 15: 49
        Leather and comfortable shoes are in peacetime and at your expense, and when kneading there is no need for such snot. why now soldiers are wearing berets and socks I don’t understand
    7. +3
      31 December 2015 09: 59
      Correctly! For the war in the vastness of Russia and Europe in a temperate climate - just right! In hot climates, these shoes are not only useless, but also harmful. So where are we going to fight?
    8. +1
      31 December 2015 12: 37
      Quote: Glot
      kirzachi and footcloths, this thing!

      That's right!
      Cheap and cheerful.
      But modern kirzachi. They only have shafts from kirsa, a leather block, a rubber sole, with grousers. Spring boots, of course, are stronger, but heavier and more expensive.
      And footcloths are, of course, an unsurpassed thing for the field. Is it possible to compare any socks in size with them, which means softness, thermal insulation, absorbent ability and ease of manufacture.
    9. Cat
      +1
      31 December 2015 18: 03
      In a hot climate and in the mountains of kirzachi - the worst thing you can think of. Soviet mountain boots, too. The roller coaster with hooks is the most, but in those days it was very difficult to get them.
    10. +1
      2 January 2016 08: 33
      The ability to reel footcloths came in handy for me when wearing rubber boots. Sometimes he even wrapped footcloths over his socks. An unexpected effect was obtained: 1) the socks did not slip when socked, 2) in wet weather, the socks were always dry, all the moisture was removed by footcloths, drying and washing of footcloths was not a tricky thing.
      1. +1
        3 January 2016 06: 18
        The footcloths were worn on 1-2 years, forced by the commanders. Then, anyway, they all put on their socks, in winter + woolen that my mother sent, self-knitted. And crosses ran as before, and legs did not wash. As for hygiene, if you are not a pig, you don’t have to stretch a pair of socks before the end of the scrap. Gentlemen, well, do not so praise what the country, due to necessity, offered to wear a soldier. So close to admire the bast shoes, they also breathed very well, and they grew on every birch, and how many newspapers can be crammed into them! laughing
  2. +19
    29 December 2015 06: 51
    Additional purely Russian things, except matryoshka, balalaika and vodka ...
    Good morning to all forum users!
    1. +42
      29 December 2015 09: 31
      Good
      From the article it is clear that production was established at the end of the 41st. And now let’s recall what the traitor (“Day M”) Rezun wrote: inspiredly lied about the mountains of boots before the war. Allegedly they exchanged cheap tarpaulin for expensive leather along the entire border, and this, in his opinion, clearly proved that Stalin was going to attack first. Say, you can’t appear in front of civilized Europeans in bad boots.

      This is his revelation, with the exception of his mistakes regarding aviation, was the first thing that struck me as a clear lie: didn’t you accidentally paint your tank and machine gun in glamorous pink? To Europeans like it.
      1. +2
        29 December 2015 19: 33
        Quote: vladimir_krm
        Allegedly exchanged cheap tarpaulin for expensive leather

        They were boots, but not as practical, because "- Because the bull and the cow have not yet shared all their secrets with us," the chemist replied. But replacing boots at the border is certainly a lie. Everyone remembers the boots with windings. But officer were yuftovye.
      2. -17
        29 December 2015 19: 41
        Quote: vladimir_krm
        From the article it is clear that production was established at the end of the 41st.

        Production was established in 1904 (as stated in the article). Always (tarpaulin shoes) was considered an ersatz, was never perceived as a full-fledged army in the field. Perhaps, after improvements to the start of World War II, it slightly improved its properties or reduced the cost of production.
        Kirsi praises are sung by people who have never once spent more than nine hours in a row without changing shoes ...
        1. +3
          29 December 2015 19: 49
          Quote: uwzek
          Kirsi praises are sung by people who have never once spent more than nine hours in a row without changing shoes ...

          Wow, 24 is not enough! laughing Damn, I’m not in the understanding-kirsa is better than chrome, yufti or yal. Damn it Slippers. laughing
          1. +7
            29 December 2015 21: 29
            Yuft boots are actually "armored boots", they perfectly protect the legs from mechanical damage, while being heavy like weights. Their soles are fastened using the same technology as on tarpaulins, namely, nailed with boot studs. I once had a lot of leather bootlegs in excellent condition, with loose soles.
            Kirzachi is much lighter in weight, but rubbed quickly on the folds, yes, yes. What's better? I think it all depends on the task. hi
            PS Also, yuft and chrome boots had no "protector" on the soles, which made them extremely slippery.
            1. +2
              29 December 2015 21: 39
              Quote: Castor
              PS Also, yuft and chrome boots had no "protector" on the soles, which made them extremely slippery.

              But what’s the shoemaker? Yes, the leather sole, like expensive shoes, people probably forgot, I like oxford shoes, Cossacks, Rubber bands are glued even in parts, the shoemakers had everything ...
              1. +2
                30 December 2015 19: 14
                In tarpaulin boots, the top was tarpaulin, the bottom was like a shoe made of yuft leather, and the sole was a "piece of wood", because. the sole consisted of 2 layers: the first layer of fiberboard, the second layer of pressed leather. The sole was lined with boot studs. Soldiers covering their legs when walking, the tops were frayed at the bend. In winter, the leather sole froze, becoming stiff and began to slip strongly. - for this, many knocked out the sole (good that it was leather) with small horseshoes in front and behind. As a result, in the summer, at night, on the parade ground, many of them clinked and knocked out sparks when walking.
                In the second year, they gave us new boots: the top is tarpaulin, the bottom is yuft, and the sole is made of foamed polyurethane, about 10-15 mm thick, with a grooved tread, and with a solid heel of the same material, the top of the bootleg was pulled by a strap. the mass seemed very light, with a soft sole (like sneakers) .Later, they began to put such a sole on berets.
        2. new
          +14
          29 December 2015 20: 03
          Quote: uwzek
          Kirsi praises are sung by people who have never once spent more than nine hours in a row without changing shoes ...

          It seems that from 6 to 22 hours more than 9 hours will be. And so, every day, except vsk. And outfits. And nothing. I join the opinion that the kirzachi is completely nothing.
          1. +13
            29 December 2015 23: 29
            Quote: anew
            Quote: uwzek
            Kirsi praises are sung by people who have never once spent more than nine hours in a row without changing shoes ...

            It seems that from 6 to 22 hours more than 9 hours will be. And so, every day, except vsk. And outfits. And nothing. I join the opinion that the kirzachi is completely nothing.

            But on the guard, that’s all 24. It seems that the author of this opus of boots didn’t wear a boot. soldier
            1. +4
              30 December 2015 04: 43
              During the exercises, the boots were never removed for days. You rewind the footcloth and walk on.
            2. +2
              30 December 2015 19: 17
              Who was not in the army can not understand all the charm of slippers!
            3. +1
              31 December 2015 20: 14
              plyusuyu.sam in the security company 2 years departed.
            4. 0
              3 January 2016 21: 43
              Maybe they had a quiet hour in the mega-super-Nazi part. And the boots were two sizes smaller, and even left and right were forced to change so that the enemies thought that a group of disabled children had passed. fool
        3. +2
          30 December 2015 10: 38
          Hehe. 9 o'clock ... I was lame in my outfits, that's 24 hours plus 3 hours round trip. That's where the "fun" is! Changing your shoes into a tarpaulin is a pipe dream.
      3. 0
        5 June 2017 08: 02
        Do not remember the name of the devil (Rezun), for nothing.
  3. +38
    29 December 2015 07: 01
    How many nasty things I heard about the kirsachs! But he served two years in them, at the institute for potatoes, to the army in the forest-taiga ... The main thing is that there was something to rewind the tailor from. And I never thought that their origin was difficult. What's there, ordinary kirsa. And to the Victory, she contributed, everything beyond the asphalt was passed by the pickaxes.
    I don’t know what is there with socks and new shoes for the army, but as a doctor, as a person who served an emergency, I would recommend that the kirzachis and tailors not be forgotten. Hygiene, and with a certain dexterity, they will allow you to get into action faster on alarm than in socks with lace-up boots. I hope the current uniform has incorporated the experience of the past.
    1. +30
      29 December 2015 11: 29
      I remember how much noise and cod there was when the footcloths in the army were abolished as a wild anachronism. And our army tortured those footcloths in battles. In addition to the above advantages, it should be noted that the footcloths were mainly made of linen fabric, which in itself has excellent hygienic properties and this avoids skin diseases of the feet. How many pairs of socks in the army today wear out against a pair of footcloths - who knows?
      1. +34
        29 December 2015 12: 15
        I remember how much noise and cod there was when the footcloths in the army were abolished as a wild anachronism. And our army tortured those footcloths in battles. In addition to the above advantages, it should be noted that the footcloths were mainly made of linen fabric, which in itself has excellent hygienic properties and this avoids skin diseases of the feet. How many pairs of socks in the army today wear out against a pair of footcloths - who knows?


        It's right. And you can adapt a lot to the footcloth if it is not. And socks, they are socks. Although we had unique ones, they wound foot-wraps under the boots (berets).
        I remember once so much I regretted that I wore boots with footcloths as usual, but decided to go "jumping". On Shuroabad I ran up the hills like that, in the snow almost knee-deep, my feet were frozen. When it was over, I tumbled into the back of the "shishiga", I can't feel my legs and decided to take off my shoes. And they all got cold wet, figs you will untie the laces. Cut. Then he pulled it all off with difficulty. Would be my boots with a footcloth on me, once and done. And the footcloths would dry quickly. In general, at such moments you understand what is what. And no matter how someone fumbles a boot with a partyanka calling them an anachronism, this is a very, very erroneous name.
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      3. +2
        29 December 2015 13: 13
        Quote: miv110
        How many pairs of socks in the army today wear


        5 pairs are given to a fighter for a week
        1. +1
          29 December 2015 20: 03
          Quote: Kostoprav
          5 pairs are given to a fighter for a week

          And where do these norms come from?
      4. +9
        29 December 2015 16: 47
        How many pairs of socks in the army today wear out against a pair of footcloths - who knows?

        When Serdyukov served. Everything depended on the decision of the foreman and officers. There is an option when for each a certain number of pairs of summer and winter socks is allocated, but it turns out that they are saved on employees and employees have to buy their own socks. And there are probably parts where everything is normally given out to everyone. Much more problems arose with shoelaces. Shoelaces are torn, and then they steal from colleagues, then disassembly, abuse, etc. begin. In general, the weak point is not socks, but laces.
        I hope the situation has improved now
        Kirzachi did not wear, and in general there were enough military boots. The only thing is that in severe frost it is very cold in them, because they are all-season, and not insulated. Although at various exercises we were given felt boots and it was relatively warm in them (if the size fit and the boots were not too "wooden"), there was a case when we had to stand on the seashore for a long time in December early in the morning in ankle boots. And then many of their legs did not feel from the cold - although active physical exercises helped to warm up.
        1. +2
          30 December 2015 19: 28
          In winter, on guard, they gave us boots and a sheepskin coat with a length of half. If you go into the guardhouse without sweeping the snow from the boots, then you go to the next guard in wet boots. Besides, it’s not important in galoshes or without, it’ll get wet in wet snow. Therefore, boots were put on in severe frosts, and if there was a thaw, then boots were also taken, and a couple of flannel footcloths from the foreman were with them.
          1. +2
            31 December 2015 09: 49
            The sentry is a "living corpse" wrapped in a sheepskin coat, instructed to tears and exposed to frost. ))
    2. +9
      29 December 2015 13: 00
      Everything is right and everything is right. For a soldier, the best shoes, if properly selected for the season. In winter, we were given two pairs of footcloths in Khabarovsk, flannel and cloth, so those who did not have the practice of wearing boots before the army, or at least did not know how to wear them and what they were wearing, initially felt uncomfortable. Because, upon receiving the uniform, the boots were taken to fit the size of the wearable shoes, and two footcloths, of course, could not be wound.
    3. -11
      29 December 2015 19: 58
      Quote: samoletil18
      with a certain dexterity, they will allow you to get into action faster on alarm than in socks with lace-up boots.

      At the forefront, warriors sleep in uniforms. Behind the rear, an alarm rise, on the contrary, does not require haste. You should calmly (it’s better deliberately slow) to dress, be lazy to get locked combat equipment (if it does not contain ammunition, you can not soar further: at least a couple of hours of delay). For the alarm commanders, who take much longer than You lace up the boot (even if the whole part fits you to lace up her boots) ...
      I apologize for the last passage ...
  4. -20
    29 December 2015 07: 08
    Of course, the boots did not shine with beauty and grace, as, for example, American boots. However, here is a quote from the book of General O. Bradley, author of The History of the Soldier

    It does not follow from this that tarpaulin boots are not wet and rheumatism is not terrible for the owner of the boots ...
    The boots were immediately highly praised by the soldiers: tall - no swamp is scary

    The author probably knows only by hearsay the swamp otherwise she wouldn’t write such nonsense.
    1. +38
      29 December 2015 07: 44
      Quote: Mera Joota
      It does not at all follow from this that tarpaulin boots are not wet.

      It is necessary to smear correctly - and they will not get wet, and if they are dragged without leaving, then you can kill quickly, like any shoes. If you rub it correctly, then you can safely go into any puddle, if only it would not pour through the shaft.
      1. -11
        29 December 2015 09: 15
        Quote: inkass_98
        then you can safely go into any puddle, if only it would not flow through the shaft.

        Exactly, a puddle, but not a swamp ...
        1. +8
          29 December 2015 09: 48
          Quote: Mera Joota
          That's it, a puddle, but not a swamp ..

          And how is the water in the swamp different from the water in the puddle? Smell if only.
          1. +3
            29 December 2015 21: 59
            By stepping into the puddle once, he shook off his shoes and went further along the dry surface. And the swamp is when you walk along this quagmire for 10 minutes, 20,30,40 and so on.
        2. +7
          29 December 2015 15: 29
          Mera Joota "That's right, a puddle, but not a swamp ..."
          I’m constantly at work in kirzach and through swamps and puddles. And climb into the pits in the swamps (this is not a reservation). Nothing gets wet. Of course, if it’s stupid to stand in water for a couple of hours, it may leak.))) Again, if it is waist-deep in water, it will also leak))).
          1. +9
            29 December 2015 18: 07
            I will tell you in secret that the NATO berets (or American) are very comfortable, but after a constant stay in the water for 15 minutes they flow :). So that only a chemical protection suit or wanderers do not flow in water :)
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    2. +15
      29 December 2015 08: 47
      The author very interestingly revealed the topic. And if a lot of bile is produced, a doctor must be visited.
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    4. +8
      29 December 2015 12: 19
      The fact is that tarpaulin boots have narrow shafts. Even if you draw in them, your legs do not become heavy and your boots do not fly off. In rubber boots, it’s very difficult to go or run through a deep puddle (swamp) and not leave them there.
    5. +16
      29 December 2015 12: 27
      I was pleased, honestly - this is about the fact that the swamp is only hearsay) And the author (that is, I) thinks that they put their boots on their hands and arthritis is a disease of the ears))
      1. OCD
        +2
        29 December 2015 14: 03
        Only rubber does not get wet in water. It’s easy to jump through a shallow stream in kirsach, and your feet will get wet in boots. But after 10 minutes, when in the water and kirzachi get wet and wet boots get wet and boots with gortex get wet. What you want smear get wet. Where there are seams, water comes in. On asphalt and hard surface, boots are more comfortable. Mud, slurry, water is better than boots - (rubber) with footcloth
        1. +1
          29 December 2015 14: 19
          Quote: UBOP
          But after 10 minutes, when in the water and kirzachi get wet and wet boots get wet and boots with gortex get wet. What you want smear get wet. Where there are seams, water comes in.

          I’m sorry, not a fig, from the beginning they need to be treated with glycerin. And the shoes with gortex, the membrane, better from good manufacturers, I have Turkish since the 2000s, still alive. Firm-YAKUPOGLU.
          1. Riv
            +10
            29 December 2015 18: 02
            We smeared the boots with Johnson-baby oil (my idea, the main component is vaseline oil) and already on top - a cream and a brush. They became very soft, they stopped getting wet, but still a footcloth is better than a sock even in them. One more secret: in the process of winding it is necessary to wrap the end of the footcloth under the foot, then it is pressed and it never unwinds.
            1. +3
              29 December 2015 18: 17
              Quote: Riv
              We anointed our boots with Johnson Baby

              Well that's cool! good
              As in our old days, boots were smeared with fat tail fat.
              I don’t remember that someone in the old days we wore bast shoes, Baipak boots or leather socks, old people or others still go around, but they wear galoshes.
              My mother is from Mari, she told me that she wore sandals after the war, but lived in a dugout, Marie EL. And that the neighbors were "knocking", my grandfather came back from the front, he decided to put a log house, the payment for something-moonshine, knock-turned up near Irkutsk.
              He was familiar, the kingdom to him, told when he arrived in Almaty, he was surprised that personal cattle grazed and neighbors did not knock, and they and her mother left Voronezh from near, they knocked that they brought piglets, like to CELINA.
            2. +4
              29 December 2015 21: 39
              Quote: Riv
              We anointed our boots with Johnson Baby

              Once there was no boot cream, they found face cream in someone's bedside table. belay Nothing, he came up to the boots too. laughing
          2. OCD
            +1
            31 December 2015 09: 10
            Not with glycerin, but with warmed castor oil. And on soap and chrome boots, it is better to treat the leather sole with natural drying oil. Gortex is good for a day, and then it must be dried at room temperature. What shoes, what clothes. And what a gortex in the army. We take into account, when forcing shallow puddles and streams, the same height of the bootleg is somewhere around 40 cm, and the height of the boots, the army standard is 27-28 cm. Cast soles on tarpaulin boots, on stones in mountainous and wooded areas fly as you and did not dream. In Chechnya and Ingushetia, in autumn and winter, they walked in mud and snow in rubber boots.
      2. +1
        30 December 2015 11: 54
        Quote: Sophia
        And the author (that is, I) thinks that he puts boots on his hands and arthritis is an ear disease))

        Sarcasm, it’s certainly good. smile And the article is not bad. But since you are an author, explain one passage.
        Moreover, if wet, they can be wound with the other side down - and the leg will still remain dry, and the wet edge of the fabric will dry out, wrapped around the ankle.

        If the foot in the tarpaulin boot is wet, then either the boots are passed, most likely the seams, or the water has got through the boot. If seams are missed, then rewinding is pointless, it will immediately get wet and both the foot and the ankle will be damp. If the water poured through the top, then the leg is already all wet. There is an option that you took off dry boots from a murdered enemy or comrade, you disdained his footcloths and rewound your footcloths in this way smile
        But to be more realistic, try to give an example of a situation where such a rewind makes sense. Or rebuild the phrase so that it correlates with reality more real, sorry for the pun. Really curious! At the same time hone journalistic pen. wink
        1. +2
          31 December 2015 14: 27
          Quote: bot.su
          But to be more realistic, try to give an example of a situation where such a rewind makes sense.

          Do your legs never sweat?
          1. 0
            2 January 2016 22: 28
            Quote: trantor
            Do your legs never sweat?

            They are sweating. But in the boot, the foot apart from the ankle does not sweat. Even if we allow that the ankle sweats less than the foot, the footcloth there is unlikely to dry out from the sweat, so will and will remain. But if it helps you, for God's sake. I prefer to just rewind more tightly and just dry it as soon as possible. The benefit dries, if not in the rain, quickly.
    6. 0
      31 December 2015 09: 59
      I had one funny case in the "self-propelled", when jumping over a puddle, I got stuck with one foot in the mud, so much so that until I pulled my leg out of the boot, it did not work to free the leg from this trap. in boots and stood like a pillar until the second coming. And if it happened in a combat situation ?! ))
  5. +4
    29 December 2015 07: 13
    A real statesman, there would be more of these
    1. +19
      29 December 2015 09: 42
      There was one more ingenious thing: a padded jacket, he is a quilted jacket, he is a sweatshirt, he is a quilted shirt, he is a pea jacket in the military version. Light but warm enough clothing, and over the years of many years of production thought out so that at the lowest cost to be as comfortable as possible. Army, collective farm field, taiga, prison camps - yes this is national Russian clothing! :) In the 90s, they were remade into fashionable jackets.
      1. +3
        29 December 2015 14: 17
        Quote: vladimir_krm
        In the 90s, they were remade into fashionable jackets.

        Yes, and now trends are skipping, just the opposite :-)

        It remains to find out if there are footcloths from "Versace" laughing
      2. -5
        29 December 2015 18: 13
        Recently, there was an article at the VO that the Russians spied on the quilted outerwear of the Japanese during the Russo-Japanese War. And then they finalized it to a practical design, turning this clothing into Russian national, along with a hat with earflaps and felt boots.
        1. +4
          29 December 2015 18: 32
          Quote: Black Colonel
          Recently, there was an article at the VO that the Russians spied on the quilted outerwear of the Japanese during the Russo-Japanese War. And then they finalized it to a practical design, turning this clothing into Russian national, along with a hat with earflaps and felt boots.

          The steppes wore all the described clothing.
          A padded jacket, poor Kazakhs and Uzbeks were worn in winter.
          A cap with earflaps, this is a LITTLE BUT, only without a backdrop.
          Felt boots, damn yapas it is visible not measured a lot of rams, felting of wool is among nomads.
          1. 0
            30 December 2015 14: 56
            Quote: marshes
            Felt boots, damn yapas it is visible not measured a lot of rams, felting of wool is among nomads.

            So I imagine, nomads in knee-high boots, spurs are attached to the boots on the back, instead of galoshes ... But how nomadic nomads stick in a stirrup, it’s generally a Mongolian song with LITTLE on the head .... Forgot to knee-high boots the Russian sheepskin knee-length, so that in the saddle warm the nomads sat)))
  6. +21
    29 December 2015 07: 13
    I don’t really like it on a wooden sole, in the village I have these, Belarusian molten soles, warm and light
    1. 0
      29 December 2015 11: 24
      Quote: Igor39
      , belarusian molten soles, warm and light

      Does the sole not burst?
      1. +4
        29 December 2015 12: 44
        No, I’ve gone two seasons already, though I don’t go to the country often, I go hunting, fishing a couple of times around the yard, they are still lined with white fleece-like fabric inside, synthetic, the porous sole does not freeze, I’m in winter for them I’ve been hunting all day, I’ve got a winter sock, my legs were dry and warm. In our service we had such berets, well, on hard soles, on such molten soles there was a shortage, light and comfortable.
        1. +3
          29 December 2015 13: 04
          Quote: Igor39
          .In the service we had such berets, well, on hard soles, on such molded soles there was a shortage, light and comfortable.

          In the 90s, such appeared, as they gave them to the "young" from training, so half fell ill with colds. I had to put boots on the insoles. And so on the parade ground right away in winter it was clear where the snow stood there with a molded sole and melted until Then the soles began to burst, so then they put on normal tarpaulins.
          According to the berets in general, at the beginning, Kiev mabuts were appreciated, there were Chinese and others ... In short, I messed up ... I ordered two pairs from Turkey, so since the 2000s they have been still alive.
          And I like the classic bunny, I don’t suffer with flat feet, now the Cossacks from Texas have a problem with them, I can’t run like in sneakers. I’m used to seeing my leg.
          1. +3
            29 December 2015 13: 26
            Well, I don’t like the classic heavy kirzach, these cast ones are excellent, you know if a private house, quickly put on, quickly removed, the sole is high, they don’t get wet, washed everything from dirt, then cleaned it with cream and like new ones. For the summer I bought Here are such Chinese on Ali express, I thought shit, but it turned out to be normal, in the summer I go, I’m a cop in them.
            1. +3
              29 December 2015 13: 28
              Here are the Chinese, but nothing normal
              1. +3
                29 December 2015 13: 50
                Quote: Igor39
                Here are the Chinese, but nothing normal

                They have like moccasins, gerbils. Well, it’s if they hunt pigs in my region. That’s not to stomp. I’ve been in sneakers, they quickly get hot sand while in Chinese sneakers. Columbia, Shaki or Aplee. By the way, this is not a bad sport. shoes can be branded. smile
              2. +11
                29 December 2015 16: 16
                I don't know about the Chinese, but "Crispi" is a thing! By the way, at the dawn of my service, I had to wear the so-called "lightweight" ones with a cast sole and a kersey top. So, after a short time, everyone came to the conclusion that there is no better footcloth (even for boots)! 89 year, the evening before going to bed and a company of "striped raccoons" washing socks. What a picture! In the winter of 94 - 95 I was convinced of this again.
                And, like a new flannelette footcloth, after a bath it is nice to lie on your foot? Especially if you spent three days x .. where?! Who remembers those pleasant sensations? AND?
            2. +4
              29 December 2015 13: 38
              Quote: Igor39
              Well, I don’t like the classic heavy punch,

              Only CLASSIC! For the convenience of dressing, I simply cut them off, like steel ankle boots. While the new ones are completely processed with cream, they do not get wet. In the heels of the dowel, "toe collapse". smile I wear it often, not only around the house. At the base, you can step on a chipped piece of metal or the remainder of the electrode, the sole will not melt. In nature, only in the autumn-spring period.
              Last spring, the courtyard was flooded with meltwater until it was pumped out wet. The truth of the water was just above the ankle.
              And in the summer on PUTsu, in a heat it is better to have a tights and sneakers if not to run. smile "Slippers" laughing And it isn’t up to them that the shoes are not in accordance with the charter, though then he began to cut the shafts. The high shafts from the golif, PS-lame, do not look bad. And with a lump of trim plus good cross-country. smile
              1. +1
                29 December 2015 13: 45
                Do you still have a holife? smile wink
                1. +3
                  29 December 2015 14: 07
                  Quote: Igor39
                  Do you still have a holife?

                  I’m no longer serving, the RPK’s holography.
                  And so much from the clothing supply of my father, brother, and mine was left a lot. Field PSh, overcoats, overcoat cuts, for a walk, for everyday wear, a hat, karakul for a collar, belts, tablets, boots, Flying winter with fur jumpsuit, leather jackets and many others. ..
                  1. +4
                    29 December 2015 15: 06
                    Well, you have enough for a long time good
                    1. +2
                      29 December 2015 15: 26
                      Quote: Igor39
                      Well, you have enough for a long time

                      It is a pity that the lumps do not live for a long time. The economy is no matter how, and I wear it sometimes as a daily routine.
                      There was a case, we drove into a cool store for a viskar. I turned out to be the youngest. In a pea jacket and in tartan jackets, I went for goods. The saleswomen were snorting at the beginning, the bomber drew up, they called the guard ... smile The wallet opened calmed down, there viskar, caviar, salads, etc. ... then they were probably in shock when I climbed into bags with 570 lech. laughing
                      Kent, by the way Igor, a participant in the Tajik war, he taught some ... and so on a kaena and a T-shirt, jerseys with outstretched knees, a man’s purse, he goes for groceries.
                      So I want to say, there is nothing to be ashamed of ... On the one hand, it’s not decent, but who is behind the counter ...
    2. +2
      29 December 2015 12: 49
      YES cast IT IS !!! in 90 years he went to them at home .. NO PRICES TO THEM!
  7. +11
    29 December 2015 07: 17
    Tarpaulin boots are super shoes for a soldier, at first it’s hard, of course, then they become slippers, I didn’t run in berets, I don’t know, but chrome boots were rare .... they were, but in kirzachi you’ll put footcloths on a helicopter and drive all day, the main thing is to cross the rewind normally. At first, yuft boots were given to cadets; they are stronger, but heavier.
    1. +9
      29 December 2015 07: 34
      I went to kirsachs for a couple of years ... there is no doubt comfortable shoes ... really hard, but that was a plus in kicking, it was good and the leg was light when you took them off.
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      2. +9
        29 December 2015 12: 25
        What does heavy mean? I tried cross-country races and march-throws at WU in kirzach! The leather ones were 2 (two) times heavier - they were weighed for dispute in the dining room.
    2. +5
      29 December 2015 20: 08
      The crimson trees are even heavier. We tricked ourselves before changing the shoes for kross; they gave us autorota to park works.
  8. +7
    29 December 2015 07: 30
    However, wearing kirzachi on socks was very inconvenient: after a few hours, the sock certainly got knocked on the heel and corns appeared. And it was difficult to provide the entire army with socks of the required size

    What kind of socks are we talking about? They were not in the supply of soldiers until ... most likely the end of the 50s. Footcloths and windings. He took the boots for 2 years in the army and I think that this is quite normal shoes for the mass army. The main thing, as noted above, is to wind the footcloths correctly.
    1. +6
      29 December 2015 13: 11
      Socks in the SA went under the boots. In boots - footcloth. HB in summer, cloth in winter. Fine. I climbed into the kirzachi in the army like into my own shoe. But he didn't know how to wind footcloths before the army. The sergeant taught quickly. FOR 2 years of service, NEVER! (surprising, but true !!!) I didn't rub my legs. But the people with bloody blisters saw everything as if it were a selection - the city "intelligentsia". The spectacle is still - for divorce in slippers, barely dragging his feet ...

      By the way, about socks in boots. In tyrnet walks a description of the case of the war, when an experienced enemy scout was exposed precisely by footcloths. He was thrown to us many times, incl. and in the form of the Red Army. Accordingly, he knew how to use footcloths. And the military doctor drew attention to him. In the convoy of German prisoners, after a long march on foot, he was the only one in the convoy with intact legs, because he wound footcloths on the long journey. And the rest of the prisoners were in SOCKS, who were ordered to live long after several tens of kilometers (here they are, socks !!!). It was such a "phenomenon" that interested the observant comrade, where this simple German soldier learned so cleverly to use the RUSSIAN means ...
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  11. +7
    29 December 2015 07: 45
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    1. +14
      29 December 2015 15: 27
      Boys! On thin shoulders
      Miraculously kept freedom
      Chicks in tarpaulin boots -
      The honor and glory of the Russian people.


      Did you stumble upon the enemy -
      Scary, mom, first time attack!
      Boys in tarpaulin boots
      How many of you, seeing death, have not cried?

      A lead hurricane mowed you down
      Beat swipe, burned his palms.
      Boys in Canvas Boots
      You went to the enemy in a dying groan ...

      You are sitting right in front of your eyes
      You were growing up, getting older
      Chicks in tarpaulin boots
      On a bloody merciless march.

      Stalingrad and Kursk
      Battles near Moscow and Koenigsberg ...
      Boys in Canvas Boots
      Courage in the dust of the enemy plunged!

      And now fear is no longer known
      Standing in a fierce whirlwind
      Boys in tarpaulin boots
      So many times in the face staring death ...

      What are the tears in the eyes of?
      The gray-haired heroes cry -
      Boys in tarpaulin boots -
      Veterans in a thinned formation ...
      Olga Fursova
      1. +1
        29 December 2015 18: 22
        Cool poems, sincere! +
  12. +7
    29 December 2015 07: 46
    I myself am for the tarpaulin. During my urgency shoes just as the parade went. Although closer to the demobilization he decided to ponder and ran a little in his shoes. I regretted it. I read an article about how they arranged trials with a march-throwing church, ovskie boots and Belorussian berets. The boots steered!
    1. +5
      29 December 2015 16: 16
      Incorrectly wrapped a footcloth for the first time, knocked down his leg. But learned to reel. In the field do not roll socks and boots. At one time.
  13. +7
    29 December 2015 08: 03
    A low bow to Mikhail Mikhailovich Pomortsev .. and Sofia to you for the article .. Happy New Year! Creative success!
  14. +9
    29 December 2015 08: 15
    During service (2004-2006), we were given berets, and if we had tarpaulin on the training, then after training we were given completely leather. But in the winter at the outpost, we ourselves asked the foreman of the outpost to give us the kirzachi hidden in the warehouse. it’s still more convenient and warmer to walk to 10-15km at -10-15 in kirzach (or sit in a barrier) than in berets. So kirzachi rule!
    1. +8
      29 December 2015 11: 42
      Yes, and in terms of running up in kirzach faster than in berets.
      1. +1
        29 December 2015 16: 02
        There is such a thing.
  15. +5
    29 December 2015 08: 25
    One of the first conditions for the emergence of tarpaulin boots (tops made of tarpaulin) in the USSR was the economy of leather, in tsarist times there was no such problem - there was enough leather. The second moment: "kerzach boots" were put into operation in 39, when suddenly the country reduced draft age from 20 to 18 years old, an extra million soldiers were under arms - it is not realistic to shoe such a horde in leather in a matter of weeks.
    about socks, of course it’s ridiculous to read - the best thing that was invented in the army, or rather taken from the people — these are footcloths, a gymnast (peasant shirt) and felt boots.
    During the war years, savvy soldiers tried to change their shoes from tarpaulin boots to officer purses or removed boots from excellent leather from killed Germans, wearing leather boots was a special chic among soldiers --- a kirsa is a kirsa.
    1. +10
      29 December 2015 08: 51
      The gymnast is not a peasant shirt, but a shirt for gymnastics, that is, sports.
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    3. +4
      29 December 2015 09: 05
      under the tsar in peacetime there was no such problem, but in the First World War she stood up to her full height - just then soldiers began to put on bast shoes
      1. +2
        29 December 2015 20: 08
        Quote: Poppy
        under the king in Peaceful time there was no such problem

        You correctly noticed this in peacetime ... And with the outbreak of war, all soldiers in shoes with windings wore shoes.
    4. +5
      29 December 2015 09: 25
      I wore both the officers and the tarpaulin ... There is nothing more convenient and easier than the tarpaulin, everything else is show off :)

      We had some kind of problem on airplanes in our regiment. Not too serious, but the KB representatives had to decide it. And a test pilot flies into our regiment. He identified the problem and fixed it over time, but the story is not about that. Our gentlemen’s officers were especially touched not only by the fact that he behaved absolutely in his own way, without bulging his nose, but the fact that this test pilot, this ace, before whose experience our military personnel could still grow and grow, flew in ordinary soldier's tarpaulin boots.

      This, despite the fact that the officers, in the presence of chrome, soap and yuft boots, would wear a soldier's kirsa in the bastard, as they say. Well, besides, the Motherland did not save on pilots, and luxurious boots of an unusual construction at that time were attached to the flight form: lacing - for an exact fit on the leg, and in everyday life they used powerful, extremely reliable "lightning".

      So why did an experienced ace prefer a tarpaulin? It turns out that this is not a whim. Who wore the “lame”, he understands why the orderlies were needed in the tsarist army: removing them without a squeal and outside help, especially if the foot is not quite standard, is very problematic :) But the soldiers drop off elementarily, and this is important in case of fire in the cabin and bailouts. The boots will burn, but the legs will remain intact. And the shafts are higher than the boots, legs protect from fire better. At the same time, they sit quite firmly on their feet, and will not fly off at the moment of a jerk when opening the parachute.
      1. +4
        29 December 2015 10: 52
        in aviation, boots were not popular, to put it mildly, they laughed. They sometimes put on, of course. For someone to climb into the cockpit in tarpaulin boots, it was unthinkable. Maybe this ace that you mentioned was from the front-line soldiers. And when ejecting, you can best barefoot "go out to build"
        The very experience of wearing long boots (cadet) is durable, comfortable and lightweight, and of course footcloths, very hygienic. I never wore the tarpaulin, although, to be honest, they look scary.
        1. +8
          29 December 2015 13: 45
          Yalivye boots can only be worn for show-offs - in the morning, having run through the dew, they add sooo much weight. There is nothing better than kirzach
      2. +5
        29 December 2015 20: 12
        Quote: vladimir_krm
        remove them without a squeal or outside help,

        It’s not the fault of the boots, but the fashion of the time, to sew the bootleg strictly on the calves so that the bootleg does not slip into the accordion, although in the villages and provinces there was its own chic: the bootleg is in the accordion, it's like jeans with holes.
    5. +7
      29 December 2015 11: 10
      "... in tsarist times there was no such problem - there was enough skin."
      After a few months of the war, the Russian army began to lack shoes for soldiers. This was noted in Brusilov’s memoirs. They began to buy shoes in the West, and even the fabric windings were purchased by him.
      1. +1
        29 December 2015 15: 33
        = Ivan Tartugay "This was noted in Brusilov's memoirs. They began to buy shoes in the West, and even the fabric windings themselves were bought for him."
        And in the Great Patriotic War, too, they wore boots with windings of the year until 1943, then they apparently increased the production of boots.
        1. +2
          29 December 2015 19: 15
          And in the Great Patriotic War they also wore boots with windings.
          The military depots for the deployment developed by the General Staff of the Red Army were located almost close to the border.
          In the very first days of the war, the Wehrmacht captured a huge number of warehouses with weapons, military equipment, ammunition, food, fuel and lubricants, including clothing depots, and basically safe and sound.
          As a result, gun "hunger" - there were reduced artillery regiments, rifle "hunger" - one rifle for two or three and there is also a lack of shoes and boots.
          This is in the memoirs of General Antipenko NA and not only him.
        2. +1
          29 December 2015 20: 15
          Quote: Nagaibak
          then apparently increased the production of boots.

          In total, 1941 45 36 people were mobilized into the Red Army during the 000-000 year, from Vladivostok to Iran and Brest. Made by 10 000 000 helmets.
    6. +3
      29 December 2015 20: 04
      Quote: semirek
      or they removed boots from excellent leather from killed Germans,

      Rave!!!! A Russian will never put on a German boot: a German boot has a very low instep, everyone has it all, their leg structure is such that a Russian leg does not fit into them, you will not wear a boot three sizes larger because of the "instep". Read more of our grandfathers' memoirs. Small details are the most interesting. We even had different lice: German transparent and the belly of the louse with blood was visible. Ours are gray and dull. There is a mention in German memoirs that lice appeared on a German soldier in the second week after crossing the USSR border, with advanced troops or on a train, but in the summer it was easier: you can throw off your clothes and wash wherever you want. Do you remember the scene when German soldiers entered Krasnodon in the "Molodaya Gvardiya" (Young Guard), how they stripped naked and washed at the pump in the middle of summer? And everything fully manifested itself with the onset of cold weather, when you do not undress and wash yourself anywhere. Suffice it to recall that in the summer of 1941, all the soldiers of the German army carried with them a powder against lice. A strange and amazing story, it's like with French dysentery in the summer of 1812, when a third of Napoleon's army in front of Borodino fell ill with diarrhea.
    7. 0
      2 January 2016 19: 10
      Quote: semirek
      in tsarist times there was no such problem - there was enough skin.
      You were deceived in a big way ... laughing
      Already by 15, the so-called "windings" with boots appeared.
      Well, a little such an intractable lady as statistics ...
      "In just a year and a half of the war, from January 1916 to July 1, 1917, the army needed 6 million 310 thousand pairs of boots, 5 million 800 thousand of them were ordered abroad. In 1916, the army and rear warehouses received up to 29 million pairs of shoes (of which only about 5 million pairs of boots). "
  16. +7
    29 December 2015 08: 39
    Kirzachi is a brilliant invention! Checked in urgent wear and kirzachi and berets. In kirsa you can walk all day without taking off in the heat and cold. But there were problems with the berets, three pairs of socks per day had to be changed because dampness accumulated, then acquired a second pair of tibia (half a day in one, the other half in the other pair) but this is impractical, and in the field it is completely ..op. So definitely kirsa is better
  17. +4
    29 December 2015 10: 24
    Kirzaki thing, I dragged in the army and now I work as a welder in them, it’s better not. I decided somehow to put the juveniles to bring up some uncomfortable, the best foot cloths in winter and summer, legs are warm and dry, feet do not sweat in the heat.
  18. +9
    29 December 2015 10: 27
    I’ll insert my 5 cents. In childhood, we wore kirzachi size as 34-36, then children's boots were popular. My father taught me how to wind footcloths, and still do it myself (how to tie a pioneer tie). Now I wear old kirzachi in the country, it’s very convenient, especially when you go to the forest - you won’t hurt your leg about the branches, and the snake will not bite your bootleg. By the way, my father was called up in the 39th, so the first year he wore boots with windings, so, he says, there was a hassle.
  19. +16
    29 December 2015 10: 29
    And in the village of Starry Perm Territory, a monument to canvas boots was erected. They are made in such a way that everyone can try them on.
  20. +3
    29 December 2015 11: 23
    Good shoes tarpaulin boots and for service, and for work, and for relaxation.
    When he was a foreman in winter and summer, he wore tarpaulin boots. Warm in winter and simple in summer.
    They were especially convenient at the construction and repair of railway facilities, where the whole day either by dust, or by dirt, then by rubble, then by snow.
  21. +19
    29 December 2015 11: 26
    About the creation of tarpaulin - very interesting, did not know.
    But about the footcloths, the author is clearly not in the know ..
    "..However, it was very inconvenient to wear kirzachi on socks: after a few hours, the sock would certainly knock on the heel and calluses appeared. And it was difficult to provide the entire army with socks of the required size. - and the problem is solved. Moreover, if they get wet, they can be wound with the other side down - and the leg will still remain dry, and the wet edge of the fabric will dry out, wrapped around the ankle ... "
    He wrote in such a way that one gets the impression that the footcloths were required with the advent of the kirzachs, and this is incorrect in principle. A sock in any boot will not live long, in tarpaulin or leather. The footcloth and boot were not contraindicated, he himself did not come across, but he had to hear about wearing footcloths in boots.
    The author mentioned his ingenuity, only after the time of its application he made a mistake of at least 150 years. In Pikulev's "Favorite" it is mentioned that the Russian army owes the introduction of footcloths to Grigory Alexandrovich Potemkin. Maybe so, but I think that even before that boots were not worn on bare feet ... footcloth is an ancient invention.
    I myself began to stomp in kirzach for a couple of years before the army. T.ch. Having joined the ranks of the SA, I never had problems with wearing a kirzach - my native shoe. And the sergeant taught how to wind his footcloths on the very first day. And after the army, the kirzachi with footcloths did not leave, wore from time to time.
    And I think the rejection of footcloths in the Russian army is a huge mistake.
    Well, what did they not please the Minister of Defense, I don’t understand? Cheap, practical, hygienic. The only minus is the negative image of this object that has developed for some reason, as something dirty and smelly (yeah, week-long socks, of course they look elegant and air ozonizes :)).
    And this image arose, I believe, through the labors of the "intelligentsia" who had fallen into the army, who were not involved in hard work from birth and did not wear anything heavier than slippers. And they were shoved into boots, but they didn't really learn how to wind footcloths, and as a result, their legs were knocked into blood. Who's to blame? An individual who has not mastered a primitive technique? Right now, he's never guilty of anything! The PORTYAN is to blame !!!
    There are monuments to commanders. There are animal monuments. There are monuments to events. But in my deep conviction, Kirzachi and Portyanka also deserve their monument !!!
    1. +9
      29 December 2015 11: 51
      Quote: tolancop
      And here about footcloths

      Firstly, "plus" you. And now the criticism: pants = "trousers" and their natural continuation = "footcloths". I remember a school New Year's party. Preparing for it, I (a sixth grader) made a wooden "gladius", made a shell, leggings, elbow pads and a shield out of cardboard ... and only the second place, and the first was taken by a fifth grader in brand new straight braids / as it was later said "Tatar", and the Russians had to be weaved with "oblique" weaving /, in a canvas shirt of nettle linen and a felt cap. The bast shoes were dressed in PORTES, tied at the top with a lace. So sandals were worn in the slush only on footcloths and were a SINGLE thing, because they crawled at the expense of "times". So: footcloths = these are "pants" for shoes.
      1. +4
        29 December 2015 20: 25
        Complete Church Slavonic Dictionary Dyachenko p. 458. Portische = clothes, dress. Tailor = clothes. Port = rag, shirt. Ports = 1) in general ancient russian clothing, it is known from the annals of 1074 years: "the ports of Chernech are contributed to it". 2) men's underwear, trousers. This is for general information.
    2. +6
      29 December 2015 12: 35
      Failure to boot is sabotage and sabotage. Statements by “commanders” who don’t understand why their personnel are mowed by catarrhal diseases look very interesting. In boots spare pair of dry socks is not provided. )))
    3. +4
      29 December 2015 12: 47
      Everything is correct. Excerpt from Dahl's Dictionary ...

      "... A tailor, a tailor, the same, a rough tailor; a tailor, a piece, a cut-off part of it, especially for footcloths, a plurality of wrappers, onuchi, roll-ups under shoes, 1 1/2 arch. Per foot. .. "
    4. +5
      29 December 2015 17: 49
      Footcloths were worn even before the boots. The father said that they were dressed in bast shoes and in leather "postols". And in the army they also wore boots with windings, I saw how they were worn with galoshes (oriental). Plus - no socks of different sizes are needed, they do not rub their feet, they are convenient to use and hygienic - they are easy to wash and dry. EASY TO MAKE.
      And there was such a convenient and practical thing as a padded jacket. Light and warm. And what were hebe army breeches, or a mabuta for boots. With knee pads, tight, sturdy and practical, socks. In a breeches (with a high belt), wide in hips and dense in calf-ankles it was very convenient to move - they did not constrain movements, did not blow out anywhere.
      1. +2
        30 December 2015 14: 17
        - With different-sized socks, they came up with such a thing: Socks are performed without a "heel, such a long pipe turns out ... But, again, they get confused at the ankle ...
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  22. +6
    29 December 2015 11: 43
    As I watched the program on the channel Russia "I Order to Live. Dubynin" Yevgeny Nikitenko, Major General Deputy Chief of Operations Department of the 40th Army, 85-87: -When a soldier was blown up by a mine, then his leg came off on his boots (that is, Kaleno), in a boot to the shin, in a foot trainer, or he could get off with a heel. Then the commander issued an order to go out to combat in sneakers.
    1. 0
      29 December 2015 12: 00
      Quote: bionik
      .To the commander issued an order to go on combat in sneakers.

      What then was the Leningrad Adidas?
      A little later, Iranian adidases were not bad, now Chinese shaki or aple. smile
      1. +3
        30 December 2015 12: 43
        - "Fargona"! Sneakers from the Fergana shoe factory, a replica of "Cougars", the sole is unbearable, but the threads are rubbish, the seams are constantly spreading ...
    2. -3
      29 December 2015 20: 37
      Quote: bionik
      in a foot sneaker or could get off with a heel

      Have you tried barefoot? Everything seems to be logical! Twenty grams of explosives are torn off the top, in shoes only a heel, then it was necessary to go further and barefoot ... and armored genitalia from fragments.
      1. +5
        29 December 2015 20: 46
        Quote: shasherin.pavel
        Have you tried barefoot? AT

        Do not fool around figs, by the way a petal, in a cross, tears off an ankle, in a berets or a boot the results are deplorable. There on the shin.
        And abroiggens just do galoshes.
        Quote: shasherin.pavel
        and armored genitalia from fragments.

        So there’s nothing to be clever. You will fall ....
  23. +3
    29 December 2015 11: 46
    Kirzachi is not bad shoes, I still wear a private house. Yes, and sometimes I drive in the car, if I need to go to the base or out of town. They are heavy heavy, chrome for show-offs, although I also have them. Leather boots, black, I prefer Turkish. There and the skin is good and Goreteksovskoy lining.
    I wear, kerzachi, with footcloths or knitted woolen socks. True, I drove the dowels into the heel, instead of horseshoes, I cut off the bootleg, hemmed it for ease of dressing and taking off. Now I have them like "house slippers".
    By the way, I have winter, flying, boots with fur and with a zipper on the top, like unth but the fur inside is also smart shoes.
    PS I will save my feet, from rubber shoes and cheap ankle boots to rheumatism "two steps".
  24. +9
    29 December 2015 12: 04
    I’ll add, cleaning the tarps. Maybe someone found WAXA, that’s a nasty thing. It seeped through the boot and painted the footcloths or lump in black and blue. Those who liked to sit on the courts painted the fifth point. smile
    1. +3
      29 December 2015 12: 52
      It was ... But the wax is nothing compared to printing ink !!! Somewhere foreman we got a can somewhere, they cleaned it when it was really bad with supplies. I can’t even imagine what curses from the BWC rained down on us.
      1. +1
        29 December 2015 13: 07
        Quote: tolancop
        But vacca is nothing compared to printing ink !!!

        We went to motorists alone, painted boots. smile
      2. +2
        30 December 2015 12: 13
        - We were given a hydrophobic lubricant, in healthy cans ... by 3 kg ... The colors are rather gray than black ... after it it was impossible to "shine" the boots ... laughing
    2. +3
      29 December 2015 18: 39
      It was. As I went into the barracks for the first time in training, I was immediately struck by a nasty thing in the nose. It turned out to be a wax. The most terrible horror! belay
  25. +6
    29 December 2015 12: 13
    I remember after 3 months of everyday wear and running in long boots, I had a chance to run in sneakers - I had such a feeling. that the legs themselves run.
    1. +4
      29 December 2015 17: 21
      It was also such a feeling that the legs from under the ass run forward)))
      1. +5
        29 December 2015 18: 41
        When the shoes were shod on a demobilization to headquarters, at first I didn’t understand why the legs above the knee fly up. Then I realized - 1,5 years in the yuft make themselves felt.
  26. +11
    29 December 2015 12: 15
    In boots it is good to walk on the parquet and asphalt, but in the field it is a killer for the feet, as the American general rightly noted. It is especially interesting how often it is necessary to wash the shoelaces in the autumn-spring period and comb out the feathers and thorns from them. )))

    "Spacious boots in front of narrow and onuchi or footcloths in front of stockings have the advantage that in the event that your feet get wet or sweaty, you can immediately throw them off at the first convenient time, wipe your feet with a footcloth and, wrapping them, again with a dry end, at speed To put on shoes and protect them from dampness and chills.In narrow boots and stockings that cannot be done in any way, which are inconvenient to throw off, nor can they be put on again freely, and it is not always possible to change or dry stockings, through which poor soldiers, having incessantly feet are wet, they often expose themselves to colds and other illnesses; not having the need to tie up their legs tightly with narrow boots, soldiers can walk more freely and more endure travel work, and the circulation of blood does not stop. " - Prince Potemkin-Tavrichesky (from a letter to Catherine II, 1783)
    1. +4
      29 December 2015 12: 24
      It is especially interesting how often it is necessary to wash the shoelaces in the autumn-spring period and comb out the feathers and thorns from them. )))


      Our laces did not last long. Torn, rotted ...
      Some replaced them with wire. smile
    2. +7
      29 December 2015 12: 54
      ".. Prince Potemkin-Tauride (from a letter to Catherine II, 1783)"
      Someone to the Minister of Defense put this letter on the table !!!
    3. +2
      29 December 2015 13: 02
      Quote: stopkran
      In shoes it’s good to walk on the parquet and asphalt, but in the field it’s a killer for the legs,

      I read a long time ago about the first experience of using footcloths and boots of the Kaiser army in the Franco-Prussian war. Out of inability to wind footcloths, the Germans raped a lot of those out of action due to worn legs.
  27. +3
    29 December 2015 12: 24
    Something after the army no longer wanted to climb into the kirzachi, but he was always surprised at his boss - on an expedition (and he went to the field when he was already 70), he always traveled only in kirzachi.
  28. +8
    29 December 2015 12: 26
    In kirsach almost all the children's winters ran through! It was great to ride the hill! And then they saved more than once! The thing was!
    1. +2
      29 December 2015 12: 31
      Quote: Rossi-Ya
      In kirsach almost all the children's winters ran through! It was great to ride the hill!

      Especially if you rub the sole with paraffin. smile
    2. +3
      29 December 2015 12: 36
      It was great to ride the hill!


      Yes, that's for sure !!!
      To be honest, I forgot, and then you said - I remembered. drinks
  29. +13
    29 December 2015 12: 34
    Dear forum users, thank you all! About footcloths, I know, of course, was, just put it miserably, I will consider for the future. I wanted to insert a piece about the history of the sisters, but I was too lazy to finish writing.
  30. +7
    29 December 2015 12: 46
    I also remembered the kirzachi. It so happened that at work they sent a group of comrades, which included me, to provide patronage assistance to the nearest state farm "40 years without a crop." Specifically, rake hay in the meadow. I went in light shoes and sneakers. And shortly before that, he twisted his leg and the ankle still ached. Walking on the asphalt is normal, but the meadow, like a sin, turned out to be hummocky. A couple of hours in light shoes on a bumpy place with a damaged ankle seemed like hell. The next day I put on kirzachi. Heavier than sneakers, but the injured leg was much calmer and more comfortable in them.
    RETURN BOOTS AND SHOES TO THE ARMY !!!!
  31. +3
    29 December 2015 13: 15
    More about footcloths, probably some kind of standard exists, but why, after several washings, they sit down so much, but I generally keep quiet about woolen clothes.
    Collars, the same theme. Therefore, the new sheets disappear. In schools, I only sewed sheets and sewed, inserting PVC insulation from the wire, who knows, he will understand. And it looked gorgeous ... Especially on the "deaf" Suvorov tunic.
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      1. +2
        29 December 2015 13: 56
        Quote from rudolf
        And also springs from a cap in shoulder straps were inserted. Chopped in length and two pieces in uniform. The officers could not understand why the epaulettes do not crumple and are so elastic.

        I didn’t put in clerical glue, the epaulettes were not with plywood but with a pipe, the officers were pushing through, they couldn’t find the criminal.
        Trucks, yes our chip, the police and the PKK in the KZ, saddle. smile
        Damn I have teachers ... Father, Brother, Cousins. Yes, and the house, there all the military then lived ...
      2. +2
        29 December 2015 17: 24
        and we inserted a thin knitting needle into the shoulder strap)))
    2. +3
      29 December 2015 18: 49
      Our deputy major had a hobby - he would approach a soldier, as a rule, a grandfather or a scoop, who is "supposed to be in service", pulls out the wire and announces to the entire parade ground that this is "already seven hundred to eight hundred and the last!" I doped one thing - instead of PVC insulation, I used a thin cotton braid that goes over the PVC, I inserted it into the filing. And it looks (after all, I also wanted to be frank), and it was not felt by touch.
      1. +1
        29 December 2015 18: 52
        Quote: Black Colonel
        . And he has a view (after all, I also wanted to prank),

        Well, you see, it looked gorgeous with psh.
        On a lump is not very good ...
    3. +1
      29 December 2015 20: 45
      Quote: marshes
      why after a few washings they sit so hard

      At work they gave me work clothes for 185 height, and for me 176, I wanted to hem it, and then put it in the washing machine at 90 degrees, just in the water and interrupted the process, immediately in the "rinse", they began to grow, then set the wash at 40 degrees and the length did not change, even after several washes. hot and cold, like pebbled skin.
      1. +1
        29 December 2015 20: 53
        Quote: shasherin.pavel
        They gave me a work uniform

        What kind of overalls?
        Zhirik is right, man, the body grows, 20 years 170,63 kg-40 years 173,90 kg. I run and swing, if I didn’t, then I would leave for 100.
        Two sand pears tore laughing
  32. +4
    29 December 2015 14: 14
    Quote: tolancop
    And I think the rejection of footcloths in the Russian army is a huge mistake.

    Support!
    Many years in PV; He wore both boots and berets. My opinion is clear: boots are better.
    Especially for the infantry, and even more so (God forbid! Of course) in conditions of war on our territory.
    With modern technology, boots can be made better and at a higher level; while maintaining the main advantages - footcloths (rather than socks), lack of laces, high boot.
  33. +3
    29 December 2015 14: 46
    The army was exclusively in boots and footcloths. On duty and exits issued boots and cotton quilted jackets under pea jackets.
    Everything is interesting to me, but how much time does it take to tie shoelaces about raising an alarm? In my opinion, winding footcloths is faster
  34. +5
    29 December 2015 14: 49
    I also remembered about the kirzachi ... The sole of the kirzachi is an insidious thing, has good thermal insulation properties and a rather large heat capacity.
    On the one hand, it’s good. But on the other ... For those uninitiated in the insidiousness of the soles, an attempt to warm their feet by the fire can turn into a surprise: while you are warming and the foot does not fit tightly on the sole - great, but you just have to step ..... Song !!!
    The reverse is also possible. I remember they kicked us off to the parade ground from November 7th .. On the street about -35 in the sun, we stood in formation for more than an hour. They marched. They ran to the barracks and took off their boots rather ... Half of the footcloths remained in the boots - they froze from the inside to the sole !!! What is strange - no one got sick.
    In CA, the term for wearing socks was assigned 8 months. I personally didn’t have enough (I bought for my money when they completely fell apart), although we were not burdened by long runs in the field or by marching in my unit. How infantry fit into the timing for me is a mystery.
    1. +1
      29 December 2015 15: 57
      In CA, the term for wearing socks was assigned 8 months. I personally didn’t have enough (I bought for my money when they completely fell apart), although we were not burdened by long runs in the field or by marching in my unit. How infantry fit into the timing for me is a mystery.


      For two years I changed two boots. In principle, the first couple of years and a half attributed. Well, it’s clear that there were also berets boots, but they wore few. Sneakers. In them, probably more than climbing shoes. And so, boots and boots. I held on. Although he repaired, heel interrupted twice. This is taking into account the fact that I had to run into them, and grease the flanks and climb the Pamir mountains. smile Although for many the kirsa fell apart for half a year.
    2. +3
      30 December 2015 10: 30
      To be honest - surprised. I had 2 pairs for 2 years - I prepared the 3rd pair for the demobilization. The servicemen will understand that the top of the bootleg is obliquely cut, the turned heel is ironed with bootleg ironed with shoe iron! And the lacing on the airborne boots was originally! smile
  35. +4
    29 December 2015 15: 10
    And who went on guard in a sheepskin coat?
    especially if it's 70 ... size laughing Like a raincoat tent or figs you, a cleaver stood. smile
    1. +1
      29 December 2015 15: 50
      Quote: marshes
      And who went on guard in a sheepskin coat?
      walked the one who really pulled the webbing. "theorist" look through the charter at your leisure
      1. 0
        29 December 2015 16: 02
        Quote: Palm
        walked the one who really pulled the webbing. "theorist" look through the charter at your leisure

        What's wrong?
    2. +8
      29 December 2015 15: 50
      And who went on guard in a sheepskin coat?


      A sentry is a corpse wrapped in a sheepskin coat, instructed to tears and thrown into the cold. laughing
    3. +7
      29 December 2015 16: 05
      Quote: marshes
      And who went on guard in a sheepskin coat?

      We had one sheepskin coat per post. The whole science is how to change a sheepskin coat when changing sentries without releasing a weapon. wink And under the sheepskin coat, and under the overcoat a pea jacket, and under the pea jacket, a jacket and under a jacket, a tunic, legs on itself. In short, onion. wink
      Quote: marshes
      I was only a sheet in schools and filed, inserting PVC insulation from the wire, who knows he will understand.

      I got another experiment when they tried to introduce plastic gateways. Well, quickly removed this innovation.
      Those who wore boots and know how to wind footcloths understand how brilliant this invention is.
      1. +1
        29 December 2015 16: 15
        Quote: There was a mammoth
        I got another experiment when they tried to introduce plastic gateways. Well, quickly removed this innovation.

        And in what year was it?
        Quote: There was a mammoth
        Those who wore boots and know how to wind footcloths understand how brilliant this invention is.

        At the moment, almost every other day I dress the kirzachi.
        1. +3
          29 December 2015 16: 22
          Quote: marshes
          And in what year was it?

          Somewhere in the years 73-74. Thrown away. Hemmed as usual.
          The granddaughter somehow wrapped rags on her legs and runs. Blurted out. He planted, taught footcloths to wind. Then the three-year-old of her father taught footcloths to wind. wink
          1. +1
            29 December 2015 16: 31
            Quote: There was a mammoth
            Somewhere in the years 73-74. Thrown away. Hemmed as usual.

            Yes, then I just "drew" laughing .
            Father PSh filed up to 88 to the field. And then when the field exit. Strange lumps he did not have, the Air Force, were technically appreciated blue.
            Strange, they could introduce a neck scarf, but this is from the category of the bourgeoisie. Then I wore it 90-00, a convenient thing. For that, the hemming is clean, but there are no furuncles.
            1. +2
              29 December 2015 16: 50
              Quote: marshes
              Strange, they could introduce a neck scarf, but this is from the category of the bourgeoisie.

              Hemming is a thing for hygiene. Therefore, it was necessary to hem in constantly. A scarf is an extra attribute, although it’s probably convenient. Every day you will not change it.
              Quote: marshes
              My father taught me ....

              Me too.
              1. +1
                29 December 2015 17: 23
                Quote: There was a mammoth
                . Every day you will not change it.

                He washed daily, even when he was on a business trip. A green satin scarf. Moreover, a ready-made tourniquet. Yes Americanism ... But it is ready on the neck. You do not need to wind it on your butt.
          2. +3
            29 December 2015 16: 46
            Quote: There was a mammoth
            The granddaughter somehow wrapped rags on her legs and runs. Blurted out. He planted, taught footcloths to wind. Then the three-year-old of her father taught footcloths to wind.

            My father taught me, then he was a carduel at all, at first in boots and then in kirzachi a youngster. In our school, the 80s were forbidden to come in kirzachi and the snowballs uncoiled the ice path from the entrance from school.
            Yes, and probably half the micra learned to transfer the pain from hitting the boot to the shin. My mazol was formed on the shins or from the kirsach or after stuffing with a gymnastic stick, Goju-ryu then keushinkai. smile
      2. +5
        29 December 2015 17: 17
        "... Who wore boots and knows how to wind footcloths understand how ingenious this invention is"
        TRUE verb, dear !!!
    4. +2
      29 December 2015 17: 27
      but you’ll get in a snowdrift and fine lol
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  37. -6
    29 December 2015 15: 57
    on a kirsa citizen it’s really not bad. But I don’t remember a kirsu for the army with a kind word. in the summer it is hot in the winter it is cold in the muddy feet are constantly wet. and after the march-throw with a full calculation on the legs it seems that weights were suspended. Romance damn ...
    1. +1
      29 December 2015 16: 05
      Quote: Palm
      in the summer it is hot in the winter it is cold in the muddy feet are constantly wet. and after the march-throw with a full calculation on the legs it seems that weights were suspended. Romance damn ...

      In the summer, and most of all, in the winter the same is not bad.
      Where did they serve?
      1. 0
        4 January 2016 21: 45
        Xavo Turkvo
    2. +3
      29 December 2015 17: 28
      It is strange that you have negative memories of the army tarpaulin ... I served in Siberia - it is hot in summer, cold in winter, but I have no reason to complain about the terrible discomfort of the tarpaulin. And I had to be like them in severe frosts. There was even a small incident: the commander ordered the entire unit to put on boots, but my size was large and there were no boots that fit my leg. The whole part is in felt boots, only I am in boots. The commander at the formation noticed and began to stick the company commander. The company commander switched the arrow to the rear. The commander did not calm down until he received confirmation from the man and the head of the warehouse that there was an appeal for a large size, but there is nowhere to take such felt boots .. So I "sported" weeks 2 or 3. And nothing. And about wet feet in muddy roads, IMHO, if it was impossible to protect feet from moisture in boots, then in other shoes, even more so.
      1. +3
        29 December 2015 17: 52
        Quote: tolancop
        I’m a big size and boots that fit my leg

        as I understand in the ranks ahead stood smile .
        We had felt boots with such dimensions that I climbed into it with a boot 43. And then, good for my father, he flaunted his winter winter boots.
        But it’s a shame that the Air Force, Navy and Army support were different.
        I pulled on gloves at the field exit, demi-season air force, here's the thing. With a scarf on my neck, with a wagon and gloves, I looked like an officer in the 40s.
        1. +3
          29 December 2015 21: 49
          He stood in front, you correctly noticed ... He stood "like three poplars on Plyushchikha" and stood out with a non-standard look ...
  38. +6
    29 December 2015 16: 09
    "A large mirror hangs in front of the gangway to the wardroom. And every time I go down to eat, I see myself in all its glory, starting with my feet. Russian tarpaulin boots appear in the mirror, and then my whole graceful figure, not burdened with fat deposits.
    And every time I think that heavy Russian boots easily make a Russian man a man. Even if he is not a man at all from nature itself or from fatal fatigue. That is the secret of our invincibility! The soldier who has obtained his boots is doubly a soldier. And if with a squeak, yes new ones, and if louder rumble with horseshoes on the steps, then any zhumryshka in Russian boots is already a daredevil from daredevils!
    And this strengthening agent costs twelve rubles. "
    Viktor Konetsky "Yesterday's worries" (scriptwriter "Striped flight")
  39. +4
    29 December 2015 16: 14
    Very good article. Thank you, Sophia. What an amazing invention! Everything is for Victory!
  40. +3
    29 December 2015 17: 34
    And I served a long time ago, but I still wear work boots with footcloths, since there are no problems with the material - old sheets are all that.
    1. 0
      29 December 2015 17: 55
      Quote: andrewkor
      And I served a long time ago, but I still wear work boots with footcloths, since there are no problems with the material - old sheets are all that.

      By the way, I heard you’re not in a bad shape, they have your cap with a cap, brown prasrasras and shoes are not bad, what they offered though looks like Turkish.
  41. 0
    29 December 2015 18: 41
    It is interesting of course, only the Red Army men for the most part fought the whole war in boots with windings.
    1. +1
      29 December 2015 18: 49
      Quote: Klibanophoros
      It is interesting of course, only the Red Army men for the most part fought the whole war in boots with windings.

      It was funny when an officer was taken prisoner.
  42. +3
    29 December 2015 19: 13
    In the comments PVshniki noted so that musical greetings. From the "Bolshoi" - TAIL, cdokumentami.
    1. 0
      29 December 2015 22: 03
      By the way, she was so small. laughing
      already ... 15 dog ....
  43. +3
    29 December 2015 19: 50
    I also have a vacca. I smeared my leather berets with it and then went for a week with blue legs.
    1. 0
      29 December 2015 20: 04
      Quote: aspid163
      I also have a vacca. I smeared my leather berets with it and then went for a week with blue legs.

      Stop, what kind of berets? laughing
  44. +2
    29 December 2015 19: 52
    Honestly, I did not happen to go to them. Slzgil in 74 to 76 in the GSVG. We had summer. Not a bad option. A year in them went according to the norms. Then new ones. Yes, and it’s not so cold in Germany - tailored t-shirts in winter m PSH. In the summer of HB and ordinary footcloths. Here are just my youth boots I got the first. Polyurethane soles and heels like Cossacks now. Settled nothing. The main size came up, did not fly and did not sting. Right on the foot.
    1. 0
      29 December 2015 20: 16
      Quote: Signaller
      Slzgil in 74 to 76 in the GSVG. We had summer.

      And here is the "confession" and who served in the Western Group of Forces they did not wear kirzach, leather, cowl and lame. And that would not seem poor. Summer summer boots were worn with a rubber cast sole. Well, the theme is chic leather, by the way, the overalls were brown ... smile .
      but in general, who came from the GBV ... I have a coffee set, it's something, not an Afghan with a mogul!
      The initial soundtrack is especially gorgeous.
  45. +5
    29 December 2015 20: 02
    Normal piers with leather insole on brass nails!
    Now they don’t do it anymore. Now the boots are glued on
    steel nails. Rubbish. Two months is no longer enough.
    Ask for porridge. Boots on brass nails go year and don’t ask for porridge.
    Heels are stomped and their legs are rubbed.
    But it is being repaired.
    1. +2
      29 December 2015 20: 23
      Quote: 73petia
      . Boots on brass nails go year and don’t ask for porridge.

      On birch, wood, nails. Dear Cossacks. Felt hats, rabbit ....
      Quote: 73petia
      Heels are stomped and their legs are rubbed.
      But it is being repaired.

      If you have good boots, you can immediately stick on an additional rubber band at the shoemaker.

      my shoemaker, a citizen of Georgia ....
      The tailor of these .... laughing
  46. +4
    29 December 2015 20: 23
    But my mother did her thesis when she studied at the Moscow Institute of Light Industry, the faculty of designing leather products (shoe-makers), namely the design of the general army “kirzach” boot of the 1949 model. And that was in 1970!
  47. +4
    29 December 2015 20: 27
    In Soviet times, footcloths were cotton (summer) and flannel (winter). Cloth in the middle lane was not. Maybe in the northern regions were cloth (woolen)? They changed weekly. Washed in military laundries. Cadets of military schools were given uft boots. Couple for a year. Heavy. And get wet, as well as tarpaulin, as well as berets. Sometimes in summer camps issued tarpaulin boots. We wore them with pleasure. They are lighter. But, they are rubbed on the folds. During the transitional period, contract soldiers could wear berets, and conscripts could wear tarpaulin. I had a shoemaker soldier. He took tarpaulin boots and sewed the upper from old berets to them. It turned out very carefully (berets were in short supply). I believe that in due time tarpaulin boots, footcloths, gates, quilted jackets and earflaps (Finnish) played a very important role in the Red and Soviet Army. But, one must look for them a replacement from modern materials, new solutions, technologies ...
    1. +2
      29 December 2015 21: 46
      Right! winter flannel footcloths were not cloth. This I confused for the past years.
  48. +4
    29 December 2015 20: 33
    He served in the border troops of the Republic of Belarus, after the boots with high berets were introduced, at first all conscripts were happy, but then instead of the received berets (those who entered the outfit for guarding the GG) they themselves bought ordinary pickaxes in which it turned out to be much better, more comfortable, the leg didn’t gets tired and breathes, well, and rewind the footcloth dry side and forward.
  49. +3
    29 December 2015 21: 41
    I read a lot of interesting things about "kirzach", I didn't have to wear it myself, neither in school, nor on a ship.
    1. 0
      18 October 2016 14: 07
      On the ship, it seems, "bastards"?
  50. +4
    29 December 2015 21: 44
    [quote = uwzek] [quote = vladimir_krm] ... The praises of the kirze are sung by people who have never spent more than nine hours in a row without changing shoes ... [/ quote]
    If under re-shoeing it is meant to be swollen-rewound a footcloth-shod, then it is unclear what you need to do in order not to find a couple of minutes to fix the footcloth. If changing shoes means changing shoes as such, then .... I had to go on a business trip at one time, where there was simply nowhere to change shoes. So he spent 5 days in boots (he rewind footcloths). Nothing, the legs fell off.
  51. +3
    29 December 2015 21: 55
    By the way, what does military literature say about boots with foot wraps? But he says okay...
    I hope no one classifies “Vasily Terkin” as civilian literature?
    (I’m too lazy to look for the exact fragment on the Internet, I’ll write it from memory...)
    “Wait, comrade!!! Why are you praising my felt boots?
    Allow me to report: they are good, but where to dry them?
    You can't dry them in a dugout.
    No, give me the boot. D
    And give me some cloth footcloths.
    Then I am God!..."
    1. +4
      30 December 2015 12: 40
      - Drying boots is a whole other story... I just overlooked it a little - and they turned into a kind of “hottabych”... the dream of Little Muk, and irrevocably...
    2. +2
      31 December 2015 10: 45
      And they sit fraternally
      At the table, shoulder to shoulder.
      The conversation is soldier’s,
      Argue, hotly.
      Grandfather is boiling:
      - Allow me, comrade.
      What do you praise me for boots?
      Allow me to report.
      Are good Where to dry?
      Do not dry them in the dugout,
      No, give me your boot
      Yes cloth footcloths
      Give it to me - then I am God!

      2Vasily Terkin" Tvardovsky A.T.
  52. -2
    29 December 2015 22: 25
    For its time, tarpaulin was an excellent material, and tarpaulin boots were wonderful footwear both from the point of view of a fighter and from the point of view of logistics and production.

    As always, in the comments there were people who extol boots and foot wraps with all their might and throw their hats at all these boots and socks. More than once or twice I have noted that such things are written only by people who walked in these boots and foot wraps, at most on a relatively flat surface and not for long, but most often somewhere along the parade ground. And they imagine not even a war, but simply some kind of military operation precisely on the basis of such a hothouse. It doesn’t seem to them that a fighter’s foot can fall into a hole and stand at an unnatural angle with subsequent injury from which the free top of the boot does not protect, it doesn’t seem to them that a fighter can walk for 6-10 hours loaded like a mule over very rough terrain with the same holes and puddles , the slope of which is such that you can only walk on your toes. I’m already silent about the fact that all of the above can occur at +36,100% humidity, constant torrential almost tropical downpour.

    If you look at all these really working special forces, intelligence officers, tourists, then no one wears kirzachs. Everyone is wearing boots and they could easily be some kind of Crispi bought with your own money with a Gore-Tex membrane and (oh horror) with socks made of some kind of Cool Max fiber. A number of models of such socks have a left and right toe... no, not a joke.

    Technologies have advanced since the days of tarpaulin and boots and allow us to make shoes at a completely different level.
    1. +4
      29 December 2015 23: 04
      Parade ground, arable land, taiga. I have not been to mountainous areas. I wrote above about the fact that at intersections your feet are calmer in a boot than in sneakers. I don’t dispute the idea that special shoes may be better for specific conditions. Are there only a lot of people in these specific conditions? That's just it, it's not so much...
      1. 0
        29 December 2015 23: 30
        I don't think the comparison with sneakers in the context of combat is appropriate. I didn’t describe any specific conditions; everything native and Russian is constantly encountered among tourists, scouts, and just fighters. As I already said, all these guys who really feel shoes wear boots. And these holes (which you won’t even notice right away) are quite common; if you step, especially while running in a difficult situation, your leg will twist, and without fixing the ankle you can get such a “miraculous” injury that you will immediately need a hospital, including long-term treatment simply surgical. And this, by the way, is the loss of a fighter and the associated costs of his treatment.
      2. +2
        30 December 2015 08: 22
        Quote: tolancop
        At the intersection, the foot in a boot is calmer than in sneakers, as I wrote above.

        That’s why in Afghanistan they tried to change into sneakers during combat, judging by the articles and memoirs of Afghans.
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    3. +3
      29 December 2015 23: 19
      Nobody argues about new technologies; the article is still talking about what happened.
      I asked our veteran Borisych, who served in Kyrgyzstan at an air base, so he told how they raised young animals, they came in kirzachs, and the “grandfathers” suggested that they give up their boots, the young people happily agreed, and then...
      We had a construction battalion working for us, we called it a penal battalion - the guys were “fun”, so they always wore rubber “swamp boots”, there was no other way there. Somehow they even managed to drown a “weaving” bulldozer in a stream up to the roof, although the depth of the stream was ankle-deep...
      On a personal note, the construction team for the railway construction gave me boots made of tarpaulin, hard and heavy. They cursed mercilessly about this, and those who refused to dress were sent home. And then one day a crowbar fell on my foot in a shoe), I hardly even felt it, after that I no longer scolded these shoes :).
      The same Viktor Konetsky describes in the book how he ran for a long time along the sleepers in boots (marfleet) which they called “bastards” and rubbed his feet bloody.
      And in Yemen they generally fight in flip-flops - apparently this is more common.
    4. +6
      30 December 2015 06: 47
      More than once or twice I have noted that such things are written only by people who walked in these boots and foot wraps, at most on a relatively flat surface and not for long, but most often somewhere along the parade ground.


      Tajikistan, Moscow border checkpoint, 4MMG.
      Pamir, what a flat surface this is. laughing
      Both in winter and in summer, of course there were no frosts of minus 30, but the heat was below 50. I walked, climbed, and ran mostly in boots/foot wraps.
      Parade ground... Barracks... Already here I answered one above, all two years in a tent, and sometimes even on the ground.
      And nothing, everything was great. laughing
      Well, we didn’t have any garteks or other “special/membrane/fibrous” stuff back then. laughing
  53. +5
    29 December 2015 22: 35
    Quote: tolancop
    And I think the rejection of footcloths in the Russian army is a huge mistake.

    I think the same. I spent six months in the tarpaulin. Then a lieutenant in chrome for two years. But the tarpaulin ones are better and during the exercises I changed to tarpaulin ones. Lighter and breathe better. So far nothing better has been created. There is no need to rush to abandon what is better without creating a new one that is reliable and proven by experience. Everyone thinks Western is better. In fact, it is often worse, and in many ways.
  54. -1
    29 December 2015 23: 59
    I wore kirzachi in the army, now I move around the field in ankle boots - they are much more comfortable and safer in ankle boots (the ankle is tightly fixed, so you really have to try to dislocate your leg) and with proper care they are practically waterproof. And thanks to the author for an interesting and informative article. good
  55. +2
    30 December 2015 00: 01
    In the summer it’s hot in boots. And from water, they need to be smeared with goose fat.
  56. 0
    30 December 2015 05: 14
    He served two years of confinement in a tarpaulin, with footcloths. In the 90s, he contrapted in ankle boots. It's one hundred percent better in ankle boots. And as an example, look at any report from the combat operations of modern units of the armies of the world and in particular the Russian Army, where there are “Kirzachs”, but not, because these shoes were needed for a multi-million army. In WWII it really was a panacea, because... Losses in one day of fighting could reach several thousand and even tens of thousands of fighters; boots were cheap and cheerful then. Nowadays, “tarpaulin” is not relevant; shoes for a tanker and for a paratrooper should differ like heaven and earth.
  57. +2
    30 December 2015 05: 20
    a very good word has been said about the nice tarpaulin boot and his little footcloth girlfriend... good soldier
  58. +4
    30 December 2015 06: 37
    Eh, I remembered my “730 days in boots”, in training they gave me a new shortened boot, but when we arrived in the troops, the standard ones with a long top were more convenient for running in the snow, but the short demobilization boots were taken away)))
  59. +2
    30 December 2015 07: 24
    Interesting! Now about CALW AND CHROME
  60. +2
    30 December 2015 08: 27
    Interesting article. I had to spend 3 years in school. We got the raw ones first. Thing!!! Then, when they were worn out, I bought a tarpaulin myself - it seemed a little easier on the cross-country. Of course, there is no comparison with the first ones... Alas. All this comes from poverty, no matter what odes you sing to them. I was surprised, of course, about the closed resolution regarding bast shoes... Well, yes... My son served for 14-15. Berts. Normal skin. I didn't ruin my legs. I brought it home. Within a year, of course, it’s in the trash.
  61. +5
    30 December 2015 08: 48
    We had a smart shoemaker in our regiment. From kirzachi or “cadet” boots (sewn like kirzachi, but made of leather) he simply made a song. I dug micropores into the sole and dug the seams with plastic from a telephone cable, ironed the boot tops with some of my own impregnation. The boots turned out to be light and absolutely waterproof. Before leaving for the training ground, the shoemaker's was completely sold out. They even assigned people from each unit to help him for a while to carry out rough procedures. Even the officers at the training ground preferred modified kirzachi to the lame ones.
  62. +5
    30 December 2015 13: 58
    Again, focusing on personal experience: ankle boots with socks are better and more comfortable. But... for everyday life, for the parade. But for FIELD LIFE, kirzaches are BETTER! More practical! Although, of course, the appearance is worse, and it’s not as comfortable, and you lose agility in kirzachs faster than in ankle boots! But more practical!
  63. +5
    30 December 2015 14: 01
    - In general, the famous tarpaulin boots were made of “tarpaulin” - coated fabric, only the boot was made...
    - The bottom of the boot was made of “split leather”, the material remaining after the layer-by-layer separation of natural leather... This is at best... at worst they used the so-called. "Kozhimit" is a material made from recycled waste genuine leather...
    - The sole lining and the tape covering the seam on the boot were made of leather...
    - Almost all the shoes issued to conscripts for military service were made on the same basis - “kirzachi”, naval “bastards”, and the first ankle boots too...
    - The most remarkable quality of such shoes was, of course, their cheapness - 11 rubles a pair! Maintainability, on later “lightweight” models you can’t repair the same sole...
    - What a space for design ideas! laughing They did a lot of things with the boots: They cut off the welts, stuffed double soles and heels, formed square toes using a suitable block and a blowtorch, used shoe polish and an iron to eliminate the “shaggyness” of the split leather upper, pliers, wire, and a little skill and voila! You have wonderful “accordion” tops, dowels and bearing balls in the heel instead of horseshoes, heels beveled to look like “Cossacks”, lacing and straps on the top... and a lot of other things!
    - Yes! The current Bates boots won't survive this...
  64. +4
    30 December 2015 18: 33
    “Whoever was not will be, who was will not forget 730 days in boots...” Every 8 months a new pair! Oh, youth!
    Almost thirty years have passed, and military service is one of the most vivid impressions in my life!
  65. 0
    30 December 2015 19: 58
    Quote: Glot
    We wear whatever we sleep with
    fully support good Happy New Year gentlemen!!! drinks
  66. 0
    30 December 2015 20: 45
    Quote: polkovnik manuch
    I read a lot of interesting things about "kirzach", I didn't have to wear it myself, neither in school, nor on a ship.

    I wonder when there could have been kirzachs on the ship. I haven’t heard anything, maybe during the Second World War. In 70-90, the sailors of the sailors definitely didn’t have a “tarpaulin”.
    As for the ground forces, as our ancestors said, one of the highest values ​​for our soldiers in the war were good leather German boots, taken from a killed German or “exchanged” from a captured German. For example, my grandfather told how he got boots for his company commander - he took them off the German “tongue” for the occasion, which was brought in in soldiers’ “windings”. When the German was brought to the regimental headquarters, ours were not even surprised, since it was the norm to shake shoes with the Hans. The company commander brought shag to grandfather and 10 cans of the “second front”.
    My friend’s grandfather also told me that among them, tankers, leather German “tankmen” with shortened freebies (in Russian - boot tops) were also highly sought after. He fought in these “until Koenigsberg”.
  67. SIT
    +4
    30 December 2015 22: 08
    Our cadets rented kirzachs when they handed over physical equipment. They had yawl ones, which were heavier than kirzachs. In German boots, the most valuable thing is the horseshoe. We were digging trenches and I found a German boot, then another. The horseshoes on them were not worn out. I nailed it to my boots and walked away with them until my demobilization. The guys then tore them off my kirzachs and continued wearing them. Foot wraps are suitable not only for kirzachi. Many years after my service, I found myself in the wrong place at the wrong time. I had to run around with other rabble from all over the world in their jungle boots. Those who had American ones with leather bottoms simply rotted during the rainy season. I had French type sneakers with high boots made of canvas. Instead of foot wraps, I wrapped mesh camouflage scarves in them. My French and English-speaking accomplices at first only grinned at those Russians, but when I rewound them with the dry end down, and everyone just wrung out their wet socks, they stopped grinning and I taught them to also wrap their scarves like foot wraps. It was funny to listen to how English-speakers then taught French-speakers to pronounce the word footcloths. For some reason, the British really did it better)))
  68. +5
    30 December 2015 23: 22
    Quote: rait
    As always, in the comments there were people who extol boots and foot wraps with all their might and throw their hats at all these boots and socks. More than once or twice I have noted that such things are written only by people who walked in these boots and foot wraps, at most on a relatively flat surface and not for long, but most often somewhere along the parade ground.

    Yeah, you’re the only one smart here, and the rest are “from the couch”...
    I have 29 “calendars” in PV. Served in the Ussuri region, Murmansk region, Estonia, Leningrad region. - walked exclusively along the border. Around the clock and in any weather!
    I repeat especially for you: I wore both boots and combat boots for many years (sometimes alternating). I am for boots!
    And I’ve never seen anyone twist their leg “in a hole” (I’ve only heard it a couple of times).
    If you look at all these really working special forces, intelligence officers, tourists, then no one wears kirzachs. Everyone is wearing boots and it could easily be some kind of Crispi with a Gore-Tex membrane bought with your own money

    Don’t confuse Russian shitty boots for conscripts and contract soldiers and American Gorteks. In the 90s, I carried food from home to the outpost to feed conscripts.
    Pi_pets! I found something to compare with! Look at the military budget of Russia and the United States.
    1. -3
      31 December 2015 00: 45
      Yeah, you’re the only one smart here, and the rest are “from the couch”...


      I’m not the only one, the entire command of modern armies, a bunch of soldiers, doctors and other people who, in word, money, both their own and the people’s, spoke out for the ankle boots. Well, or we are all “off the couch”, unlike those who have never worn normal shoes, or even moved at a measured pace on level ground. Well, or just a fan of boots and foot wraps, not because there are logical reasons for this, but because he is a fan.

      And I’ve never seen anyone twist their leg “in a hole” (I’ve only heard it a couple of times).


      And all because we were walking, we weren’t in a difficult situation where we had to instantly jump from equipment, run somewhere along difficult terrain, etc. In such a situation, the leg will not stand up properly and that’s it, hello sprain. And this is in a good case.

      Don’t confuse Russian shitty boots for conscripts and contract soldiers and American Gorteks


      Don’t equate Russian ankle boots (which at least summer ones still haven’t learned how to make) with normal military footwear, which is what I’m talking about. And especially don’t compare anything with them because it’s almost the same as comparing with bast shoes; naturally, well-made boots will win in this case.
  69. +1
    31 December 2015 02: 30
    In addition to all the advantages of kirzachs, it should also be noted that they are quicker to put on compared to ankle boots. In Chechnya they often slept without undressing, taking off only their shoes in case of shelling, etc. Kirzachs clearly have an advantage in terms of detonation time and readiness. Of the minuses - they say that when a mine explodes, half of the leg is torn off, and only the foot is in the ankle boots.
  70. 0
    31 December 2015 06: 05
    The boots were immediately highly appreciated by the soldiers: high - no swamp is scary, practically waterproof, but at the same time breathable
    It is for such stupid patriotism that we were nicknamed “vatniks”. We are waiting for an ode to foot wraps and their advantage over socks.
    And at least mince words
  71. +3
    31 December 2015 08: 57
    I, in my boots, walked away all the time, ran back and jumped away. Boots and a good footcloth are a great thing, it was in vain that they were abandoned.
  72. +4
    31 December 2015 12: 54
    In my opinion, boots are much better than ankle boots. Berts are parquet shoes and are not suitable for field conditions. Especially with socks. With socks in my boots, I always had calluses, and not only for me, but for the whole company. Inconvenient shoes, especially in field conditions. Has centuries of experience really taught us nothing? After all, during the Second World War they also tried army boots in the USA. There, the problem of rheumatism of the legs and other non-combat and sanitary losses was enormous. We practically had no such problems in the Red Army. So why do we so stubbornly ignore all the positive experiences and stubbornly put on ankle boots?
    1. 0
      2 January 2016 21: 31
      Quote: Eugene30
      So why do we so stubbornly ignore all the positive experiences and stubbornly put on ankle boots?

      Well, globalization...
      I remember they also moved the shoulder straps to the chest...
  73. -6
    31 December 2015 13: 38
    Lovers of stinking footcloths and worn out filthy kirzachs.
    1. +5
      31 December 2015 15: 51
      Do you think that the appearance and aroma of socks worn for at least 3 days will be very different from foot wraps used under similar conditions? Then you are an incorrigible optimist!!!
  74. +3
    31 December 2015 16: 37
    Comrades, don’t quarrel, it would be about something! drinks I’ll tell you from my own experience - how much trouble I got into with these foot wraps, well, in general, until I learned how to wrap them correctly, but for a mass army with scanty funding, I think that kirzaches are better! Yes, combat boots are comfortable, that’s good, but when there is normal housing, a warm, comfortable barracks where you can return and relax, and for field life, and for the mass army, tarpaulins are the best way out, so what can you do... That’s who we are.” vatniks" (by the way, our "vatnik" originates from the beautiful Russian national armor "tegilyaya", if anyone is not aware, both the French in 1812 and the Nazis in 41-42, oh how they dreamed of Russian quilted jackets, but...).
  75. +1
    31 December 2015 18: 03
    Quote: Lord of Wrath
    The boots were immediately highly appreciated by the soldiers: high - no swamp is scary, practically waterproof, but at the same time breathable
    It is for such stupid patriotism that we were nicknamed “vatniks”. We are waiting for an ode to foot wraps and their advantage over socks.
    And at least mince words

    Have you served in the army at all? The socks themselves are good, but not for field trench conditions. Here, practicality and convenience are more important than “glamour”. Legs are more important.

    And only stubborn Banderonatzians or Maidan embroiderers call us “vatniks”. I wouldn't look up to them.
  76. 0
    31 December 2015 18: 05
    When I worked in Chukotka, we were given assembly boots. Outwardly, they were almost no different from kirzachs, only at the top there was a bell fastened with a strap for wearing cotton pants and a multi-layer sole for warmth. And externally it is made of tarpaulin, but the base is not fabric, but thin felt.
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  78. +2
    31 December 2015 18: 44
    The cadet years are forty years removed, but foot wraps with closed eyes.
  79. +1
    31 December 2015 19: 40
    I've been wearing them for two years, no complaints, only the ankles are worn out... good soldier drinks
    Happy New Year!
  80. +2
    31 December 2015 20: 12
    How many opinions, how many comments, and all again because of the conflict of generations. Once upon a time, the Commander of Dalvo I.M. Tretyak came to the Border Urgent District and said openly that you will all die, but they will come mobilized and they will win the war. But the mobilized ones will be in kirzachs, it will be 100 poods. Even in 50-100 years, the army will still fight in KIRZACHI.
  81. +2
    31 December 2015 22: 08
    I also had to carry the kirzachi and footcloths wink And what? Cheap and cheerful. In summer it’s fine, in winter it’s warm with two foot wraps. Although he served in Tiksi.
  82. 0
    31 December 2015 22: 47
    Congratulations to all Military Review users on 2016! Sobriety, realities, adequate assessments! Peace, goodness and happiness! TO YOU and YOUR loved ones! Until we “kill” the adversary, the USA, the conflict will not resolve on its own! Here we need a SURGEON! Otherwise, we will have to, or we will be erased from the globe... And they want this... REALLY! RUSSIA IS FORBIDDEN, EXTREMELY!!!
    Be loyal to your OBVIOUS AND MAIN adversary. THIS IS AMERICA! Enough with liberalism. Let's defeat it (victory comes in different forms). Everything will “calm down.” As an Air Force pilot, for every shot down plane, there is a THROUGH responsibility! RUSSIA, THE POWER, should be of little interest in whose plane! KILLED AND SHOOTED! LAWS and Rules - There are! Rules are broken - shoot down and without “apology”! Strength=-always respected by strength! Today, we are STRONGER than ever! For our father and our entire dynasty!!!
  83. 0
    31 December 2015 23: 12
    I WILL NEVER FORGIVE the guy who died and was shot under the American media! I’ve seen a lot. But such impudence...to answer to the fullest! Glory to the HERO! Don’t allow and answer “to NATO’s” tears! There are mothers and wives there too... But the “brains” haven’t turned on yet!. Sleep, Oleg Anatolyevich! Earth is heaven! Let's take revenge on the Busurmans - it won't be enough! Electric shock! They think, “to pay off with money! This is what the MOTHERLAND does to the Hero? And how much is life “worth”? Mom, wife, children!? I DO NOT FORGIVE you, THE STATE! For loss has no price and ATTENTION! AND Grief!!! for the rest of my life...
  84. 0
    31 December 2015 23: 12
    I WILL NEVER FORGIVE the guy who died and was shot under the American media! I’ve seen a lot. But such impudence...to answer to the fullest! Glory to the HERO! Don’t allow and answer “to NATO’s” tears! There are mothers and wives there too... But the “brains” haven’t turned on yet!. Sleep, Oleg Anatolyevich! Earth is heaven! Let's take revenge on the Busurmans - it won't be enough! Electric shock! They think, “pay off with money”! Is this what Motherland does to a Hero? And how much is life “worth”? Mom, wife, children!? I DO NOT FORGIVE you, THE STATE! For loss has no price and ATTENTION! AND Grief!!! For the rest of your life....
  85. +2
    1 January 2016 01: 35
    I wasn’t in the army, but in the construction of bridges, working as a power engineer, I had to use kirzachs - electricians are the first to go and the last to leave construction. First, a sea of ​​dirt, and then nails, reinforcement, crushed stone, broken brick and other “delights” are added to this sea. For extreme conditions and off-road conditions, there are no better kirzachs. I tried to wear ankle boots - they are cold, the boot is poorly protected, it is difficult to clean dirt from them, unlacing them is inconvenient and just a hassle. But in the summer, on the ground, ankle boots are more practical. And for the rest, there is nothing better than kirzach.
  86. 0
    1 January 2016 01: 53
    Happy 2016!!! "Brothers in Arms"! To families, relatives, children - HURRAY! Let them play in PEACE!!!! For adults - MEMORY, HONOR, GLORY!!! I’m preparing my son for WAR, I think it won’t happen - THANK GOD!!! PEACE, HAPPINESS - GOOD LUCK!!!! We all don’t understand “children” - “: there are no 2 MASTERS in a den...!” For now, we will not “DESTROY” America - “there will be no negotiations”! (To Smirov.V.) “It is possible and MUST to destroy a state using different “methods.” Only then will they “get the hell out of us”. He gave birth to a daughter = - HURRAY, He gave birth to a son - READY... FOR WAR!. I’ll go with him!
  87. 0
    1 January 2016 01: 53
    Happy 2016!!! "Brothers in Arms"! To families, relatives, children - HURRAY! Let them play in PEACE!!!! For adults - MEMORY, HONOR, GLORY!!! I’m preparing my son for WAR, I think it won’t happen - THANK GOD!!! PEACE, HAPPINESS - GOOD LUCK!!!! We all don’t understand “children” - “: there are no 2 MASTERS in a den...!” For now, we will not “DESTROY” America - “there will be no negotiations”! (To Smirov.V.) “It is possible and MUST to destroy a state using different “methods.” Only then will they “get the hell out of us”. He gave birth to a daughter = - HURRAY, He gave birth to a son - READY... FOR WAR!. I’ll go with him!
  88. 0
    1 January 2016 05: 59
    To say something, you need to know what, how and why...
    http://www.istpravda.ru/pictures/1827/

    In defense of the boot and foot wraps, I will only say that it is necessary to test two units in the field (possibly in different climatic zones) - the result will not be long in coming. Boots are more practical, ankle boots are more aesthetic. If a war is planned from offices, or somewhere in bunkers, then, naturally, boots are not needed there. Each branch of the military needs its own shoes, and this is undeniable, just like the fact that no two people are identical, even if they are twins...
    soldier
  89. 0
    1 January 2016 11: 52
    in my childhood, the boys loved sneakers, and I loved tarpaulin boots. I especially loved polishing them until they shine! neither a nail nor a stone is a hindrance!
  90. 0
    2 January 2016 00: 12
    Why is there such a love for boots? The boots are more aesthetically pleasing, fit comfortably on the leg, are lightweight, and will not fall off the leg if you are half a size larger, or one size larger, i.e. more comfortable during occasional physical activity. Boots. Of course, taking into account our weather conditions and the geographical location of the country, spring, winter, autumn, slush, frost, I draw your attention to the lack of roads!! Boots are more comfortable! If ankle boots were cooler than boots, then an unassuming Russian man (and not only Russian laughing ) in the village I would choose ankle boots. How to wear them in the mud? How to put your foot in a boot dried on a fire? Give it a try. In this fossilized piece? Sneakers? Special Forces? Afghan? Undoubtedly!! How many exits? One-time operations. And in the village, who was the last time during the spring or autumn thaw? Try it? This is the best test drive. Walk from home to the nearest store? In ankle boots. Then in boots. And How? Universal shoes - boots. If you wash your feet daily with cold water, no fungus will spread. I hung the footcloth like a flag - dried it out, tore my socks - lost my leg. In the second year of service, you put a footcloth on top of the bell of your boots, like an alarm, your foot there, without even shaking... Your feet are already accustomed to not a single callus. Here is the same army belt, before it hooked and ran. And now? Copy of the officer's. You sit there looking for holes in the belt, why did you replace it?? It was really convenient. Probably, if you are comfortable fighting or serving, with toilet paper in a warm toilet, 8 hours a day, short trips, ankle boots are better. If this is central Russia and above, there are no better boots. Or maybe both? Many people say that high boots are better in hand-to-hand combat, but in general I was taught to use the weight of the boot as a weapon and not to raise my leg above the groin during an impact. The rest is mawashi to the head, beautiful jumps, I consider it window dressing. A boot to the shin, a butt to the head and moved on, that’s what I was taught. Controversial issue. Over the course of 2 years, both of them received urgent assignments. Going home in ankle boots, of course - like heroes in the movies, but the battalion is better off in boots. The presence of a large number of holes and seams on the boots makes them uncomfortable in slush, the laces cannot withstand the load, snow and water will quickly get into the cuffs of the boots, it takes a long time to lace and unlace, they must be carefully selected in size. The need to have a summer and winter option. The boots are heavy, dangle on the foot (you can wear half a size larger, it will also work for the winter), unsightly appearance, when running or overcoming an obstacle, jumping (including a parachute) they are inferior to ankle boots, at long distances there is a significant inconvenience, especially when running. Of course, it’s hard to say goodbye, nostalgia, but the future probably belongs to boots without laces. With deep respect to my Kirzachs, they will not give up quickly! And in some places....Time will tell! IMHO. Good luck to you and your loved ones! Happy New Year colleagues!
    1. -3
      2 January 2016 09: 37
      in the village I would choose ankle boots. How to wear them in the mud?


      You take it and carry it. No problem at all.

      How to put your foot in a boot dried on a fire?


      Drying shoes over a fire or battery is bad for any footwear and this cannot be done with either tarpaulin boots or ankle boots. Otherwise, after a certain time, you can easily end up with fashionable twisted shoes, and even without soles laughing , it is attached with glue.

      Probably, if you are comfortable fighting or serving, with toilet paper in a warm toilet, 8 hours a day, short trips, ankle boots are better.


      Someone just didn’t describe the huge number of military men (including intelligence) who buy ankle boots with their own money. Although it is worth noting that these guys clearly know better, especially intelligence whose main task is essentially to walk.

      The need to have a summer and winter option


      I would look at you like you would lie in position at -30 in tarpaulin boots or stand for a couple of hours. Walking is one thing; wearing summer boots with only warm socks will definitely keep your feet from freezing...
      1. +2
        2 January 2016 21: 42
        Quote: rait
        Otherwise, after a certain time, you can easily end up with fashionable, twisted shoes, and even without soles, since they are attached with glue.

        Well, yes, like, with glue... laughing laughing laughing
        And this glue in kirzachs is very specific: it’s called a shoe’s nail.
        You, rait, apparently only know about boots by hearsay, but there you go, damn it!
        1. -1
          2 January 2016 22: 32
          You, rait, apparently only know about boots by hearsay, but there you go, damn it!


          Wheel, you apparently only know about shoes by hearsay, but there you go. We were talking about any shoe, in principle, where the modern method of attaching the sole is glue. Including on modern tarpaulin boots. It is truly better to think first and speak later.
          1. 0
            3 January 2016 02: 00
            Quote: rait
            Wheel, you apparently only know about shoes by hearsay, but there you go. We were talking about any shoe, in principle, where the modern method of attaching the sole is glue. Including on modern tarpaulin boots. It is truly better to think first and speak later.

            It is you who first needs to familiarize yourself with the issue being discussed, and only then pronounce arbitrary conclusions.
            Let me remind you of your saying
            Quote: rait
            Drying shoes over a fire or battery is bad for any shoes and should not be done neither with tarpaulin boots nor with ankle boots.

            Let me also remind you that we are not talking about remakes, but about classic tarpaulin.
            and finally, I’ll tell you a terrible secret: the classic tarpaulin doesn’t really care how it’s dried.
            And an even bigger secret is that nail boots (and even with brass nails) are still produced.
            1. -1
              3 January 2016 04: 58
              In general, absolutely typical: First we said something, then we evaded it when we realized that there was nothing to argue with. You will not be able to quote where I would apply peeling off the sole to all tarpaulin boots, because this did not happen. This is purely your speculation. All you can note is that I said that any shoes should not be dried on a fire, and this, by the way, is true. Deformation of the material, cracking, change in properties under the influence of excessive heating and too rapid evaporation due to an increase in its temperature, burning sparks from a fire are a known matter, but they are characteristic of different materials in different ways. Here, as you know, the issue is the distance to the fire, which is correctly selected only after 3 pairs of shoes have been burned.


              Let me also remind you that we are not talking about remakes, but about classic tarpaulin.


              You can talk about whatever you want, this has nothing to do with my message.

              Actually, you essentially have no opportunity to rehabilitate yourself. It’s one thing to neutrally correct something like, “Well, actually, on tarpaulin boots, the soles attached with nails don’t come off,” and it’s another thing to write with characteristic ambition what you wrote. But I will give you one possibility:



              In the attached picture, a tarpaulin boot is currently being produced and is quietly on sale. You either find nails on it (well, I didn’t write that there are nails in the boots, if you want, I’ll quote), or you write some next message where you do your best to evade what you wrote with your own hands and become an honorary expert on shoes and specifically on boots. So to speak, as a reward for your services.

              P.S.

              and finally, I’ll tell you a terrible secret: the classic tarpaulin doesn’t really care how it’s dried.


              Patent it urgently! You have a fire-resistant tarpaulin! laughing
  91. 0
    2 January 2016 14: 34
    A truly great domestic invention. Now it is not to the liking of the corrupt officials who make money by supplying socks to the Moscow Region. They say that the State Government has been closed in Kyiv. shoe factory No. 1, which since pre-war specialized in the production of kirzachs for the SA.

    And on some foreign TV channel they showed a super march of French special forces for... 20 km. And everyone had their feet stuffed in their super-boots.

    So ours will make NATO soldiers in kirzachs!
  92. +2
    2 January 2016 16: 26
    Quote: rait
    the entire command of modern armies, a bunch of soldiers, doctors and other people... spoke out for the ankle boots.

    What are you weaving?! Nobody asked me! Or am I not counted? We decided upstairs, in warm offices. The last thing they care about is what their subordinates want. It's just such a fashion now!
    According to all the memoirs of the Second World War, it is said that in the summer-autumn months of our catastrophic retreat of 1941. the soldiers were constantly experiencing terrible thirst. Volunteers volunteered - and died under German machine guns, trying to get hold of water. One in 10 or even 15 returned from a source with one or two pots of water!
    Do you know why? Because the soldiers of the Red Army were entitled to a GLASS flask! GLASS!!! Which crashed 5 minutes after the start of the real war. These are the “specialists” who adopted it - like today’s “parquet generals”.
    They are now adopting such “masterpieces” as the AN-94 assault rifle, the Iveco armored vehicle, the UAZ Kanonir, the PYa pistol, and other crap.
    These samples are accepted without any testing, by voluntary decision. And no one asks ordinary soldiers - how will they fight with this junk?
    I read the annotation for the new uniform, it is written (I quote!): “The new uniform will be especially convenient when working at the headquarters and institutions of the Ministry of Defense.”
    Well, aren't they stupid people? The new uniform should be “especially comfortable” in combat, in the trenches and on the march! And not at headquarters!
  93. +3
    2 January 2016 16: 27
    Quote: rait
    how would you lie in position at -30 in tarpaulin boots?

    Is it much warmer in berets? Why the fright?
    But I know how laces get wet and freeze. After returning from the outfit, you untie the horseradish until it thaws. And pulling wet ones is not much fun. And how they are torn...
    Quote: rait
    unlike those who never wore normal shoes, or even moved at a measured pace on level ground

    War is endless marches on foot. In my outfit, I walk from 15 to 30 km in 12 hours (in the rain, in the snow, in the heat, in a snowstorm). And at the border there is no asphalt; at best - a path along the checkpoint.
    Quote: rait
    If you look at all these really working special forces, intelligence officers, tourists, then no one wears kirzachs.

    I'm talking about ordinary infantry and about the future war. There is no need to get out and drag in special forces with special tasks. Everything must be special for them.
    Quote: rait
    And all because we were walking, we weren’t in a difficult situation where we had to instantly jump from equipment, run somewhere along difficult terrain, etc.

    Do you have any idea about the border service? Have you heard about "Outpost, to the gun!" or about a border search for weeks?
    Where do you/have you served?
    I’m standing at a weapons exhibition near the Kovrov stand. A big, fat-bellied general comes up, twirls the AEK machine gun in his hands and then walks away. A representative of the plant asks him after him, “What, don’t you like the machine gun?”, and he replies, “This one doesn’t suit us.”
    That's all! And there is no need for any tests/competitions, no need for surveys of military personnel after a year of using a prototype, for example...
    The general didn’t like it and “doesn’t fit.” Either the breasts make it difficult to press against the shoulder, or it’s too heavy for white hands...

    Berts - for the armies of rich countries, where the logistics service is well established, there are no problems with money and logistics, where it is more or less warm.
    And for the Third World War, and even on our territory, for a mass army, there is nothing better than boots.
    They should be modernized. Yes, decisions are made not in offices, but in the field.
    1. -1
      2 January 2016 22: 35
      Is it much warmer in berets? Why the fright?


      Because winter boots have insulation. With modern laces there are no problems at all, they absorb water heavily and, as a result, are very weakly susceptible to icing, do not break for a very long time and most often before they wear out, shoes that bear a much greater load fall apart.

      There is no need to get out and drag in special forces with special tasks. Everything must be special for them.


      There is no need to pretend and call walking by special forces a “special task.” For special forces, for reconnaissance, for any fighter, walking is not a special task and occurs under the same conditions.

      Then, of course, there was a lot of water, and absolutely typical sofa fanaticism. Zero argumentation, zero refutation. Typically.

      What are you weaving?! Nobody asked me! Or am I not counted? We decided upstairs, in warm offices. The last thing they care about is what their subordinates want. It's just such a fashion now!


      As I understand it, contract soldiers who buy and wear shoes (and not only shoes) with their own money in combat conditions also have a decision from above and fashion? laughing
    2. -1
      2 January 2016 23: 44
      Well yes

      I walk from 15 to 30 km in 12 hours


      These are moderate indicators, to put it mildly, and I wouldn’t rank them according to the type of achievement, even taking into account the difficult rough terrain. And there’s nothing to say about the PCB, apparently I hit the nail on the head when I talked about the typical hothouse conditions of boot fans. So the immediate question is: How long does it take for shoes to fall apart? Is the leather rubbing and the sole breaking at the bend?
    3. +3
      5 January 2016 03: 16
      These tough commandos are hard to prove. And if they have combat experience... Afghanistan, Chechnya, now Syria will be there. The Great Patriotic War was spent in our abyss until - 40. And if it’s a trench, then with water, you can’t dry it out in a dugout either, it’s humid. And it doesn’t matter which experts gave an opinion, foreign or corrupt ours, it is not worth writing on paper. Stomping in ankle boots is more fun; you can measure foot sweating, blood circulation, temperature and write a report. By the way, in sneakers the indicators will be even higher, and a conclusion will be given. And in boots, of course... We will only pay according to the overall indicator - the soldier’s health in the field. It’s always like this in the army - there is a task-order, and they carry it out. There is a task to destroy the army, we carry it out. For an army is not something that marches outside the window and jumps from a plane, but something that lies in an open field for months. And Western standards are for the West.
      I will try again.
      Miracle boots have been known for a long time. The same armies wore them in the French, American, etc. back in WW1 and WW2. And only we and the Germans, who really prepared to fight and fought the most, spent both wars wearing boots. The defeated Germans were the first to be transferred to NATO standards, now they put the squeeze on us. We, like Ukrainians, will have to buy uniforms for our pennies.
      Maybe those up there will come to their senses?
      1. -1
        6 January 2016 10: 22
        Miracle boots have been known for a long time. The same armies wore them in the French, American, etc. back in WW1 and WW2


        Well, well, tell us what boots they had in World War I, otherwise we don’t remember something like that. The ancestors of modern military boots appeared during the Second World War and were intended for paratroopers who, wearing low boots or boots, often suffered ankle injuries when landing due to the lack of fixation.

        And only we and the Germans, who really prepared to fight and fought the most, spent both wars in boots


        The Wehrmacht airborne forces wore jump boots that are very similar to modern military boots.
  94. 0
    2 January 2016 21: 21
    “there is no need for laces and zippers” - !!?
    "Russian ingenuity has come to the rescue: foot wraps!" - congenial!
  95. +1
    3 January 2016 11: 52
    socks are a good thing, but! There are two sizes in the army - large and small. in addition, you can always make a footcloth yourself using available materials and a holey footcloth is a 100% working footcloth, but throw away a holey sock
    Kirzachs are a good thing, but they need care (like everything else). if they are not polished, there can be no talk of any water-repellent properties. Personally, if I go to the forest for half a day, I’ll wear a footcloth and rubber, if it’s a day or two, I’ll wear a tarpaulin. and there is no need to compare kirzachi for a chirp and a fancy product for 120-150
  96. 0
    3 January 2016 22: 14
    But the title of the article is “A little about Kirzachs.” Almost three hundred comments. The topic grabbed people.
    1. -1
      3 January 2016 22: 31
      Yes, it’s like that all the time when it comes to boots. There are supporters of tarpaulins who prove to everyone that old tarpaulin boots and foot wraps are better than berets and socks, and people who say that this is not so or simply laugh at all this.
    2. +1
      5 January 2016 01: 55
      The topic concerns everyone, “If tomorrow there is war, if tomorrow there is a campaign,” we will be like Napoleon’s army in six months at best. They won’t send everyone to Syria, but due to our inconvenience and abyss, 0% will be healthy. And in winter... They forgot what felt boots are. Oh nostalgia.
      1. -1
        6 January 2016 10: 04
        No, felt boots are still used to this day. Only they are relatively cold, and without soles they are also very dangerous on hard surfaces or, especially, ice. So it’s quite logical to avoid them wherever possible.
  97. +2
    10 January 2016 11: 56
    [quote=rait][quote]Because winter boots have insulation. There are no problems at all with modern laces[/quote]
    Is a natural warm flannelette foot wrap not insulation? Is artificial padding polyester much warmer?
    Modern laces are in the category of “good ankle boots start at 500 bucks.” We don't issue people like that in our army. Our stock laces are crap. I changed them endlessly until I switched to imported ones. And during the war, where can I get them - in the online store?
    [quote=rait][quote]For special forces, for reconnaissance, for any fighter, walking is not a special task and occurs under the same conditions.[quote]
    I gave the example that I walk a lot, so I pay special attention to shoes. It's important for me.
    How much do you personally walk per day?
    I asked you, are you serving in the army to talk here about army shoes? If you serve, then by whom?
    [quote=rait][quote]do contract soldiers who buy and wear shoes (and not only shoes) with their own money in combat conditions also have a decision from above and fashion?[/quote]
    Fashion is for idiots who decide to supply troops with extremely important items such as shoes. And contract workers (who are they?) are forced to get out and buy more or less decent ankle boots in the store.
    If you are related to the army, it will not be difficult for you to find out the cost of standard combat boots, and then go to the store and compare how much normal shoes cost.
    In my unit, no one wears standard “wooden” combat boots “from the warehouse” - everyone buys them. This is fine?
    If boots are introduced into the army again, they will buy boots!
    “Thank you” to our Defense Ministry that the fighters are still providing for themselves. Only the automatic machine can be counted on; the rest is better to buy.
    Either you won’t wait, or you’ll get junk.

    You are the armchair expert. Either you refer to special forces, or you don’t want to take my “moderate indicators of greenhouse conditions” into account. How much do you walk in a day? And where, and in what? Share your personal experience... and not the stories of how the boots came about.
    Veremeev quotes the words of American generals who believe that the combat boots incapacitated soldiers -
    http://army.armor.kiev.ua/hist/sapogi.shtml
    1. -1
      10 January 2016 13: 30
      Is a natural warm flannelette foot wrap not insulation? Is artificial padding polyester much warmer?
      Modern laces are in the category of “good ankle boots start at 500 bucks.” We don't issue people like that in our army. Our stock laces are crap. I changed them endlessly until I switched to imported ones. And during the war, where can I get them - in the online store?


      Flannelette foot wraps are poor insulation, worse than modern synthetic socks; synthetic padding has not been used in modern shoes for a long time and personally, I have never seen it at all. Now there are other very inexpensive insulation materials that make your leg burn when walking slowly at -20. Good laces in shoes are by no means worth 500 bucks, but the fact that domestic high boots, outstanding in the army, to put it mildly, is not a very well-known thing. This is a reason to change them, and not return to archaic, uncomfortable, traumatic shoes.

      I gave the example that I walk a lot, so I pay special attention to shoes. It's important for me.
      How much do you personally walk per day?


      Now let's take a look. 30 km in 12 hours is 2.5 km per hour, which according to scientific classification is slightly more than a slow walking pace of 2,196 km per hour. Speaking in Russian, it’s a measured, easy walk. Personally, I’ll get bored walking so slowly. And the distance is equal to that which the schoolchildren from the tour sections travel... but yes, they can travel more, I apologize. Every day, when I walk through a forest belt, I cover 8 km in very rough terrain in an hour and a half (you can calculate the speed). Trying not to strain too much and monitor my pulse since I’m doing this for myself. If necessary, I will walk 20,40,60 km (which is what happened) as much as necessary if I don’t need to run. This is not a question at all and I believe that there is nothing special about this for an ordinary person. If the backpack on top is 20 kilograms, then there is nothing special about it either, unless the person has some very serious pathologies or is young. I walk through these “black soils” with a lot of holes where my foot gets into and twists out with characteristic pain in ordinary trekking boots where there is also ankle support, albeit not so serious. Nothing special or anything less than outstanding, but in principle I can’t brag about the results and I don’t do anything.

      I asked you, are you serving in the army to talk here about army shoes? If you serve, then by whom?


      As always, in the absence of arguments, there is “argumentation to the individual.” We are not discussing my or your identity here, and we cannot verify personal information. So I don’t see any point in deviating from the topic of conversation.

      And contract workers (who are they?) are forced to get out and buy more or less decent ankle boots in the store.
      If you are related to the army, it will not be difficult for you to find out the cost of standard combat boots, and then go to the store and compare how much normal shoes cost.


      You can get good domestic ankle boots for 5 thousand like nothing else. There will be the right task for the manufacturer, a large army order and the price will drop significantly.
    2. -2
      10 January 2016 13: 31
      If boots are introduced into the army again, they will buy boots!


      However, having the opportunity now, they don’t do this, they did it before the conversion to ankle boots, but after the reverse introduction they will, of course, refuse comfortable and modern shoes.

      You are the armchair expert. Either you refer to special forces, or you don’t want to take my “moderate indicators of greenhouse conditions” into account. How much do you walk in a day? And where, and in what? Share your personal experience... and not the stories of how the boots came about.
      Veremeev quotes the words of American generals who believe that the combat boots incapacitated soldiers -


      Here, as always, there is throwing around labels, denial of the experience of special forces and people of other professions who are forced to walk many kilometers in difficult conditions, and even as an argument, a reference to the words of a US Army general (not the medical commission, but the general) which relate to the times of World War II . With the same success, one can advocate for the abolition of body armor due to the fact that steel cuirasses were inconvenient for a fighter of the same times. But in fact, as practice shows, you and others like you live in the 20th century with your padding polyester, flannel wraps, boots, freezing laces and other delights of those undeveloped times, and as a result, you measure everything against this. If you want to live in this time, wear a quilted jacket, boots with flannel foot wraps in the bitter cold, jump in boots from equipment, from heights (you are talking to a person who, having jumped from a height of 2 meters, received an ankle injury, his leg didn’t stand up properly when landing from - for the slightly uneven ground, and they weren’t wearing ankle boots), then for God’s sake. Everyone has their own quirks and I do not intend to offend the religious feelings of other people. But regardless of my or your opinion, the fighters themselves have already reasonably decided what is more comfortable to wear and what they will wear.
  98. +1
    11 January 2016 21: 25
    Quote: rait
    Good laces in shoes are by no means worth 500 bucks, but the fact that domestic high boots, outstanding in the army, to put it mildly, is not a very well-known thing. This is a reason to change them, and not return to archaic, uncomfortable, traumatic shoes

    Are we not talking about ordinary army shoes?
    Experts like you on the Hansa forum discussed “normal ankle boots” for a long time and came to the overwhelming conclusion that “normal ankle boots are from 500 bucks and above”; everything that is cheaper is nonsense and rubbish. Specialists also gathered there - hunters, fishermen, extreme sports enthusiasts.
    So, the Russian army does not buy ankle boots for 500 bucks and will not buy them! And he is not going to supply his ordinary soldiers (who are “dragging” both service and war!); The life of a Russian soldier is not worth it (as the entire history of the Russian army confirms).
    Here are the guns of the Crimean Company with a firing range of 200 steps, and white Russian-Japanese tunics, and glass flasks of the Red Army...
    And the army buys the cheapest combat boots (now at auctions) - that’s what I’m talking about. Berts for 900 rub. the purchase price is crap! And for 1200r. - not far from it.
    And there will be no “correct and large” order from the Moscow Region - who needs that? I saw documents for shoes in a clothing warehouse - the district held three different auctions during the year, and we received three different lots of boots: some better, others worse. But only if you compare them with each other...
    When choosing between bad boots and bad ankle boots, I definitely vote for the boots. All my experience of serving “on the ground” convinces me of this.
    This is a staff rat - it makes no difference if he puts on these tops once a month for a drill. These ones can even wear the ones issued from the warehouse (for a couple of hours, and then to the office).
    Therefore, all my friends ("contract soldiers", outpost officers - who walk a lot) buy ankle boots for themselves, because health is more expensive.

    Quote: Leader
    With modern technology, boots can be made better and at a higher level; while maintaining the main advantages - footcloths (rather than socks), lack of laces, high boot.

    In my first post I pointed out the benefits of boots. And he said that with modern technologies they can be made much better in quality. Where do you see the call for archaic, uncomfortable, traumatic shoes?
    Let me explain: 12 o'clock. duration of the shift. There are 9-10 hours left for walking with a load of about 6 kg. There is no need for record runs. My task is to carefully inspect the border. If necessary, naturally, the speed of movement will be much higher (including running). The maneuver is called “pursuit of the intruder.” If you miss it, you may end up in prison (incentive: special article 341 of the Criminal Code for border guards).
    Don't overdo it: what's unusual about walking? I just walk a lot, in any weather, at any time of the day or night. And I can speak knowledgeably about shoes - because our feet come first in risk.
    I know more about shoes than the person who buys them. And I experience the quality of these shoes every day or night.
  99. +2
    11 January 2016 21: 32
    Quote: rait
    You can get good domestic ankle boots for 5 thousand like nothing else.

    It's hard to argue with you. Maybe it is possible. But if there is a store with a large selection of special shoes. Such a “voentorg” is always a couple of hundred kilometers away from me.
    Are You from Moscow? It's never a problem there...
    Quote: rait
    denial of the experience of special forces and people of other professions

    What does the experience of special forces have to do with it? We are talking about those who are the overwhelming majority in the army - soldiers.
    This is for them to walk or not cross, to freeze in trenches, to cross puddles, to climb through forests and meadows.
    Here are my words from the first post -
    Quote: Leader
    Especially for the infantry, and even more so (God forbid! Of course) in conditions of war on our territory.


    Quote: rait
    So the immediate question is: How long does it take for shoes to fall apart? Is the leather rubbing and the sole breaking at the bend?

    Not taking into account emergencies that sometimes occur:
    - summer boots (top - fabric, bottom - leather) - worn seasonally (May-September);
    - demi-season (spring-autumn; leather) - a year and a half;
    - winter (leather, fur) - two winters (they break less in the snow).
    Anti-record: summer - a month in the hilly taiga in summer (collapsed).
    Most often, the sole bursts at the bottom of the fold; in second place - the front sidewalls are torn (left-right); less often, the top bursts. Heels wear out faster than boots. The main problem is the laces; are torn at once. They get wet - don’t untie; If there is icing, you have to wait until they move away.
    The most important thing: the height of “forcing” puddles in the boots is no higher than 5 cm...
    Quote: rait
    But regardless of my or your opinion, the fighters themselves have already reasonably decided what is more comfortable to wear and what they will wear.

    Do not make me laugh! If only the fighters had decided! The generals decide, and the soldiers are forced to comply with the uniform.
    These are so advanced, from the 21st century, like you - they came up with a zipper, combat boots, and berets on their uniforms.
    You, pests, who understand nothing about the convenience of a fighter, must be taken out with dust.
    "Sofa experts." My question about the service was not answered. Know, nothing to say...

    If a button on my uniform comes off, I sit down on a tree stump, take out a utility bag and sew the button on. And if the zipper breaks, what should you do? Smell yourself and tie yourself with a string? And so continue to fight?
    Are there already zippers on everyday clothes, on outerwear - for the convenience of a soldier in a trench? Ur...dy!
    The cap has a visor that protects the eyes from the sun and rain. And on the berets invented by you, “managers from the 21st century,” there is nothing for convenience. And the cost of sewing a beret is higher than the cost of a cap - isn’t that interesting?
    The thieves of the state defense budget rule!
    1. -1
      12 January 2016 18: 52
      Maybe it is possible. But if there is a store with a large selection of special shoes.


      The Internet and mail solve this issue.

      What does the experience of special forces have to do with it? We are talking about those who are the overwhelming majority in the army - soldiers.
      It’s for them to walk or not cross


      And then again you try to replace walking for some and walking for others. What is the difference between the walking of Vasya from the motorized infantry and the unknown reconnaissance officer? Nothing. By the way, a motorized infantryman could easily have a greater workload.

      I looked at the indicators of the shoes, “chic” shoes. With your extremely low indicators, summer ones last a season, while cheap Chinese trekking boots for a tourist who has climbed everything and everywhere live for 2 years with almost year-round wear in harsh places at a completely different pace of use.

      Do not make me laugh! If only the fighters had decided! The generals decide, and the soldiers are forced to comply with the uniform.


      You can immediately see a person who knows nothing about how the same contract soldiers and special forces live. The last thing they care about is the form of clothing and they easily buy themselves any boots that their heart desires and their pockets allow, any covers for body armor and armor plates for them, any clothes that are not too loose, and in a number of units the kind they want. And no one will say anything special to them, and even less so until they completely switch to ankle boots. Apparently we are all “couch experts” and don’t understand anything about shoes, that’s why we wear ankle boots. Especially these airborne troops who don’t understand anything and who have been registered with high boots and jumping boots before everyone else, apparently they don’t understand that when jumping when landing on the ankle normally there is a serious load on it, they should not strengthen it, but put on traumatic boots and hope that the ankle will withstand.

      If a button on my uniform comes off


      So you need to do something so that it doesn’t come off so quickly, this has been a resolved issue for many, many years. One of the options is the famous Canadian button. By the way, I have never seen such persons that they would carry buttons and sewing supplies with them.

      And if the zipper breaks, what should you do?


      So you need to install it so that it doesn’t tear. This issue was also resolved a long time ago, with the exception of the dogs, which are easier to change than a button.

      . And on the berets invented by you, “managers from the 21st century”


      From you, the beret that has existed since at least the 19th century became invented by someone from the 21st. It has also been used in the Russian army for quite a long time, but apparently you are not concerned about observing military traditions. Of course, for lack of arguments, I was called an expert from the Hansa, a “manager of the 21st century,” a saboteur. They began to prove that good ankle boots cost $500 without even realizing that Western salaries cost $500 (and they make them in the West), payment for the brand and the fact that in Russian conditions the price will be in rubles and significantly lower. But it won't change anything. 5 thousand rubles for chic ankle boots is nothing to do with such an order. You live in the 20th century and are fighting with all your might for anachronisms, while the modern army is fighting for progress and increasing the capabilities of the fighter.
    2. -1
      12 January 2016 19: 15
      This is especially typical

      winter (leather, fur)


      Fur is a poor insulator and wears out quickly. It was used until science allowed the mass production of significantly more effective synthetic insulation.
  100. +2
    13 January 2016 12: 38
    At first I gave you a couple of minuses - because I do not agree with your words. But the rest of the cons are no longer mine.
    I see that it is useless to talk with you, because you are from another reality.
    And you talk nonsense here:
    Quote: rait
    The Internet and mail solve this issue.

    I'm talking about the inevitable future war. What is the Internet like in a trench?
    Quote: rait
    By the way, a motorized infantryman could easily have a greater workload.

    I'm trying to explain to you exactly about ordinary soldiers. And you are talking about “special forces”, then you are misinterpreting my words.
    Are you reading my posts carefully? I said that special forces need special forces. And a mass army is massive.
    Quote: rait
    You can immediately see a person who knows nothing about how those same contract soldiers live

    I am that same contractor. And the circle of my constant contacts is precisely “contract soldiers” (military personnel on active duty - from sergeant to colonel). And who are you?
    Quote: rait
    The last thing they care about is the uniform and they easily buy themselves any boots their heart desires... any clothing that doesn’t stand out too much, and in a number of departments it’s whatever they want... And no one will say a word to them

    Natural nonsense!
    The basis of the army is the established uniform. You are from Russia? Have you even served in the military?
    I can't comment on outright nonsense.
    Quote: rait
    So you need to do something so that it doesn’t come off so quickly

    Quote: rait
    So you need to install it so that it doesn’t tear.

    Necessary. But I wear what the army ordered and the industry made.
    I am forced to wear what all sorts of staff rats, defective managers and wretched production workers think it necessary to give me. Are you aware that some of the uniforms are sewn by prisoners in colonies?
    Quote: rait
    but apparently you are not concerned about observing military traditions.

    No, I don't care.
    I don’t give a damn about them at all - if my life, my health and the fulfillment of a combat mission depend on it.
    Quote: rait
    Western salaries cost $500

    You are far from our army. My salary before the fall of the ruble was about $1500; now - about 500.
    Quote: rait
    5 thousand rubles for chic ankle boots is nothing to do with such an order.

    The army will not order ankle boots at a selling price of 5 thousand rubles. - I know this better than you.
    You don’t seem to understand HOW army orders and procurement are carried out in general.
    In short: everything should cost as little as possible.

    Therefore, I will stop the conversation with you. I see we can't agree.
    I am a practitioner, you are a theorist (civilian!); "And we can't get together."
    PS We need to return white tunics and glass flasks to the army - it will be so patriotic and traditional.
    And a tear wells up...
    1. 0
      13 January 2016 15: 30
      I'm talking about the inevitable future war


      Wait a second...where is the war and where as you wrote in the message to which I responded

      But if available store with a large selection of specialty shoes.


      ? Will you be hanging around the shops during the next war? laughing


      I'm trying to explain to you exactly about ordinary soldiers. And you are talking about “special forces”, then you are misinterpreting my words.
      Are you reading my posts carefully? I said that special forces need special forces. And a mass army is massive.


      Of course, we continue the topic of the fact that special forces have some kind of special walk, while ordinary soldiers have an ordinary one. laughing

      Natural nonsense!
      The basis of the army is the established uniform. You are from Russia? Have you even served in the military?
      I can't comment on outright nonsense.


      This is nonsense for you because you are not familiar with such units (as I spoke about above) that do not hide anywhere and wear whatever they want. Here they buy the boots they want, here they upgrade a standard helmet with an imported wearing system, here they wear a newfangled Plate Carrier (I honestly don’t really support this trend) instead of a regular bulletproof vest, here they put on an AK as they want, they take different pouches, here they wear a different camouflage, etc. And no one says a word to them, but it would seem quite ordinary units.

      You are far from our army. My salary before the fall of the ruble was about $1500; now - about 500.


      No, you are far from understanding that the price of Western combat boots is also made up of the salaries of foreign workers who make them (which is what I wrote about) and for some reason you drag in the salaries of domestic military personnel here.

      The army will not order ankle boots at a selling price of 5 thousand rubles. - I know this better than you.


      This means that this army is doomed either to defeat or to a Pyrrhic victory followed by defeat. But this is not true: Within the framework of “Ratnik”, NVGs, thermal imagers, and other electronic equipment are purchased for a soldier, and among them some ridiculous 5 thousand rubles would have been lost. I still don’t remember other cheaper pieces of equipment. And this is a modern trend when all this equipment, which costs a lot of money, is actually cheaper than the life of a trained fighter.
      1. 0
        13 January 2016 15: 31
        I am a practitioner, you are a theorist (civilian!); "And we can't get together."


        I am a practitioner, you are a theorist who walks slowly on level ground and does not know what it is to jump from a height of 2,3,4,5 meters onto the ground, including uneven ground, what it is to run without looking back over terribly rough terrain so that your foot falls into a hole \ are blocked, the ankle is in pain and you fly face down into the mud, you don’t know what it’s like to walk for 10 hours like a loaded mule with 40 kg of weight on hard ground, what it’s like when your feet, due to too high a load due to an outdated sole, burn with fire or something worse starts get very sick, and then swell, what is it like to walk at +36 and 100% humidity, what is it like to walk at -40 in shoes without insulation, etc. Absolutely ordinary things, most of which an absolutely ordinary fighter has gone through, is going through, will go through. And it is precisely because of them and for the sake of the fighter that all modern armies long ago abandoned the traumatic and archaic tarpaulin boots and modern boots are not the main footwear, no one needs extra non-combat losses, and a decrease in the effectiveness of the fighter too. But for a fighter, at the very least, his skin is important, and that is why, even before the complete transition to combat boots, military boots were bought with one’s own money.

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