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Kurtulmush: Turkey did not plan the destruction of the Russian Su-24

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Turkish Deputy Prime Minister Numan Kurtulmush said that the earlier announced number of sorties by Russian aircraft was based on data from the Western coalition and statements by the Russian Defense Ministry, and this information is in no way connected with the data on the violation of the Turkish border, which the bomber crew allegedly made, RIA News.


Kurtulmush: Turkey did not plan the destruction of the Russian Su-24


The agency recalls that on Wednesday, the representative of the Russian Defense Ministry Konashenkov pointed to accurate data published in the Turkish media about the number of sorties of Russian aircraft in Syria. All publications contained a reference to the Deputy Prime Minister Kurtulmush.

"This suggests that the command of the US Air Force passed to the General Staff of Turkey all the information that Russia provided to the American side," said Konashenkov. That is, the Turkish military was well aware of the "at what time and in which area the combat task of the Russian bomber will be carried out."

Therefore, “the words of Numan Kurtulmush (on the number of sorties) can be considered the official recognition by Turkey of the fact of a pre-planned operation to destroy the Russian plane in the Syrian sky and kill Russian soldiers,” the representative of the Russian Defense Ministry said on Wednesday.

“The figures that we gave at the press conference are based on the data of the coalition forces and the statements of Moscow about the operation in Syria. Attempts by an official representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense to issue data on an air operation in Syria for data on border violations are an attempt to shift responsibility from a sore head to a healthy one ”, - said in a statement Kurtulmusha.

According to him, "Russia must admit the pilots' guilt and focus on the real problem together with neighboring Turkey, with which it is in close relations, on establishing peace and fighting terrorism in Syria."
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 25 December 2015 12: 24 New
    17
    Turks "sailed", excuses went dumb ...
    1. Korney84
      Korney84 25 December 2015 12: 26 New
      +4
      Numan Kurtulmush, don’t drive us ...
      1. Sasha 19871987
        Sasha 19871987 25 December 2015 12: 30 New
        0
        here ... for starters, apologize, otherwise everything is smeared ... we just adore noodles on our ears ...
        1. Lukich
          Lukich 25 December 2015 12: 56 New
          24
          Quote: Sasha 19871987
          here ... apologize first


          mandatory, otherwise it may be forced to apologize
          1. 1976AG
            1976AG 25 December 2015 13: 05 New
            +6
            If I am not mistaken, the statement of V. Volkova has been laid out for the 14 time! Enough already?
            1. Lukich
              Lukich 25 December 2015 13: 40 New
              +2
              Quote: 1976AG
              If I am not mistaken, the statement of V. Volkova has been laid out for the 14 time! Enough already?

              enough removed
              1. -Traveller-
                -Traveller- 25 December 2015 14: 52 New
                +2
                Putin on the bear also has a picture of Lavrov with the signature “d-b-b-b”, publish comrade Marshal. and don’t be shy, give us the entire collection of photojabs, demotivators and other collages, all 5 patriotic terabytes at once.
            2. Atrix
              Atrix 25 December 2015 15: 59 New
              +3
              Quote: 1976AG
              If I am not mistaken, the statement of V. Volkova has been laid out for the 14 time! Enough already?

              And the pluses you need to earn. What is easier than throwing out "patriotic" slogans.
          2. Maxom75
            Maxom75 25 December 2015 17: 34 New
            0
            not so, but it’s necessary to write: “from our home” or “with warm wishes”, especially when the rockets arrive in Erdagan’s house it will become very warm.
          3. SergGrey318
            SergGrey318 25 December 2015 21: 38 New
            +1
            It must be. )))
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      3. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 25 December 2015 12: 56 New
        +2
        Quote: Korney84
        do not drive us ..

        And he doesn’t “drive” anything. Islam, among all the good and good, requires its wards not to tell the truth to the Gentiles. And this is taken from the main source of religion, from Judaism.
    2. denisey
      denisey 25 December 2015 12: 35 New
      +3
      Yeah. Again they got their old dirty button accordion out of the closet. After such a statement, you can only wish the Turkish military pilots a clear peaceful sky, until they fall under the S-400 sight. laughing
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    4. Mihalich17
      Mihalich17 25 December 2015 12: 35 New
      0
      Not that stupid, namely, "excuses"!)))
      Reached them - in "WHAT" they got into it !!!
      But, the “train has left” already, new realities for the Turks are coming and they are not too good for them!
      From the word - absolutely !!!)))
    5. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 25 December 2015 12: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      Turks, excuses went dumb ...
      - Well, the Turks did not expect the ASYMMETRIC answer. And such were the huge plans: the Caliphate - a balm for the soul of Erdogan, ISIS - full pockets of bucks from oil and the resale of stolen artifacts. Well, they shot down the SU-24, thought that Russia would come to its senses, enter a situation. And then Putin completely began to break all ties. Economic. And this is generally a guard! So the Erdogans and the Kurtulmushi bleated. Kirdyk rolls up, however ...
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 25 December 2015 12: 47 New
        13
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        Kirdyk rolls up, however ...

        no ... "kirdyk" is when the "poplar" comes in for a landing! yes
        1. Lukich
          Lukich 25 December 2015 12: 58 New
          +2
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          no ... "kirdyk" is when the "poplar" comes in for a landing!

          it will be bold. "Caliber" is enough
        2. unsinkable
          unsinkable 25 December 2015 13: 46 New
          0
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          .. "kirdyk" is when the "poplar" comes in for a landing!

          Kirdyk, he is also a kirdyk in Africa. Although * poplar * comes in, even hang on a birch. hi
    6. 79807420129
      79807420129 25 December 2015 12: 44 New
      +7
      Again, old songs about the main thing, that ours doesn’t say how many fuel trucks were torn, but on the other hand revenge is a cold dish and there’s no reason to shout about it, let the Turks howl.
    7. Fregate
      Fregate 25 December 2015 13: 31 New
      +1
      But are these words
      Kurtulmush said that he previously announced the number of sorties of Russian aircraft based on data from the western coalition

      these words do not confirm
      "This suggests that the command of the US Air Force passed to the General Staff of Turkey all the information that Russia provided to the American side," said Konashenkov.

      Or did I not understand something?

      And as for
      based on data from the western coalition and statements of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

      So it seems ours do not always indicate the exact number of departures. Sometimes they say: "More than (or less) 50 sorties were made in a day." Those. there is definitely not counting.
      1. Kite
        Kite 25 December 2015 14: 07 New
        0
        Quote: Fregate
        Or did I not understand something?

        According to the established agreement, we informed the NATO command of the coalition about upcoming departures and areas of operations (as Konashenkov says, Kurtulmultush blundered about his awareness), i.e. excuse Tureks that they did not know at first whose plane was shot down - does not work. Conclusion: they knew whose plane they knew, where and when it turned out, the attack was prepared intentionally.
    8. Maxom75
      Maxom75 25 December 2015 17: 30 New
      0
      The Turks the more they try to make excuses, the more truth comes to the surface and more clearly their unrighteous deeds.
  2. Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 25 December 2015 12: 24 New
    13
    "Russia must admit the guilt of the pilots and focus on the real problem, together with neighboring Turkey, with which it is in close relations, to establish peace and the fight against terrorism in Syria."

    It turns out that we are in close relations with Turkey, in what! It remains only to play the wedding, yeah. But only first, Russia should repent for its own dead pilot. And, in addition, these long-standing accomplices of terrorists urge us to unite with them in the fight against terror!
    Some schizophrenia .. With a Turkish accent.
    1. BLACK-SHARK-64
      BLACK-SHARK-64 25 December 2015 12: 31 New
      0
      Buy VASELIN, put them in the letter Z, then there will be close relations !!! am
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 25 December 2015 12: 58 New
        0
        Quote: BLACK-SHARK-64
        Buy VASELIN, put them in the letter Z, then there will be close relations !!! am


        They said that there is already a close relationship. But at the expense of Vaseline did not specify.
        1. Lukich
          Lukich 25 December 2015 13: 00 New
          +2
          Quote: 1976AG
          But at the expense of Vaseline did not specify.

          and this is implied as a matter of course. we are not sadists laughing
      2. V.ic
        V.ic 25 December 2015 13: 49 New
        0
        Quote: BLACK-SHARK-64
        put them with the letter Z, then there will be a close relationship!

        Where so many donkeys to collect on them? Or do the gay people go for free?
    2. russmensch
      russmensch 25 December 2015 12: 43 New
      0
      What wedding? Are they getting married to prostitutes? GDP already has Turkey as it wants.
  3. The black
    The black 25 December 2015 12: 25 New
    +3
    Another indistinct mooing of the Turkish juntik ...
    1. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 25 December 2015 12: 30 New
      +2
      Let’s see what it will sing in the middle of spring when the height of the tourist season approaches. In the meantime, the next: blah, blah ...
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 25 December 2015 12: 40 New
        0
        Quote: subbtin.725
        Let’s see what it will sing in the middle of spring when the height of the tourist season approaches.

        Somewhere I already heard that in March it is advisable to "understand and forgive." Salvage is ready to sell everything. negative
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  5. DIVAN SOLDIER
    DIVAN SOLDIER 25 December 2015 12: 26 New
    0
    Well, ours is there, everyone is busy with a black box, like Poroshenko with a piece of a bus. Anyway, the West will not recognize any decryption and will bend its line.
  6. 76SSSR
    76SSSR 25 December 2015 12: 27 New
    +2
    Russia must admit the guilt of the pilots

    The words of a bastard and a hypocrite.
    1. BLACK-SHARK-64
      BLACK-SHARK-64 25 December 2015 12: 31 New
      0
      to the reptile wall !!! angry
  7. yuriy55
    yuriy55 25 December 2015 12: 27 New
    0
    There is such an expression:
    The road is a spoon for dinner, and there at least under the bench.

    The place of the Turks is under the bench ...
  8. moskowit
    moskowit 25 December 2015 12: 27 New
    +1
    "Fresh tradition, but hard to believe!"
  9. Decathlon
    Decathlon 25 December 2015 12: 29 New
    +1
    "... Russia must admit the guilt of the pilots ..."
    Turkish rafiks do not see the shores at all! Maybe they will ask for moral compensation for the experience ?! You do not know how to make excuses, it’s better to keep quiet, you will marry a smart ...
  10. HAM
    HAM 25 December 2015 12: 30 New
    +1
    Only Erdogan must admit guilt, do not pay off the figs!
  11. Altona
    Altona 25 December 2015 12: 32 New
    0
    Yes, you went to the forest, Mr. Kurtulmush. Turkish excuses are already enraging. They are traders in Africa and traders, an unpleasant nation.
  12. C2H5OH
    C2H5OH 25 December 2015 12: 33 New
    0
    It is strange that there is still no such stuffing "This Russia itself shot down the Su-24")) Deficiency of non-worthy media.
  13. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 25 December 2015 12: 34 New
    0
    What happened happened! If you didn’t want to, there would be nothing.
  14. The black
    The black 25 December 2015 12: 36 New
    +2
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    Turks "sailed", excuses went dumb ...

    And they have nothing left to do. The Horns and Hoofs office, whose real counterpart is the coalition led by the United States in the fight against terrorism in the Middle East, has found its vice chairman, Pound. They seem to have become lads from Ankara. And they began to understand this. fool Turkey, which started betraying Russia, turned out to be the most suitable candidate. The scheme for draining allies has always been worked out in the West: first, a broad company in the media, then soft accusations of misbehavior from the White House, and then dumping an ally for all the tricks of international legal organizations. That's the Turks who were grumbling about their virgin innocence. smile
  15. Masya masya
    Masya masya 25 December 2015 12: 41 New
    +3
    "Russia must admit the guilt of the pilots and focus on the real problem, together with neighboring Turkey, with which it is in close relations, to establish peace and the fight against terrorism in Syria." He raves ...
    1. voronbel53
      voronbel53 25 December 2015 17: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: Masya Masya
      together with neighboring Turkey, with whom it is in close relations

      This is the same if you “grabbed” something venereal from your partner, ask her for forgiveness to continue further close relationships, although she herself does not even want to be treated and everything is being blamed on you. These are the "close" relations we should have with the Turks according to Kurtulmush ...
  16. novobranets
    novobranets 25 December 2015 12: 41 New
    +4
    Even if it was hypothetically assumed that the Russian bomber flew into Turkey, the Turks did not have the right to shoot him down, they had to force him out, since he did not do any aggressive actions — he didn’t bombard or bomb them. And therefore, all their pumpkins are babble on the lawn. Rusk was struck in the back hemisphere, fell on the territory of Syria, which means that his course at that moment was towards the border (if he flew to Turkey at all, which I strongly doubt). They must be punished, without options. To lower the brakes means to set a precedent, then they will finally become insolent.
    1. Altona
      Altona 25 December 2015 13: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: novobranets
      To lower the brakes means to set a precedent, then they will finally become insolent.

      --------------------
      Then they will bring down, for example, in the Baltic states and demand negotiations in order to "relieve tension". It must be hard to give in the teeth. In general, it was possible to shy on the airfield based something. But this is not our method.
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 25 December 2015 15: 33 New
        +3
        Quote: Altona
        But this is not our method.

        This is our method. But he needs, as they say now, political will. Under the USSR, once in BV, God forbid, memory in Libya or Lebanon, it seems that an employee of the Soviet consulate was kidnapped. Requirements began, such as "let go, but you should in return ...". When suddenly and irrevocably, ALL RELATIVES of several cones of the abductors died on the same day, our man was immediately released. And not one with ..., dared not even be outraged. Then the word KGB in prisons of the world scared criminals. This I understand, reputation. Until now, as I recall, I am proud of the country.
  17. kazachyok69
    kazachyok69 25 December 2015 12: 48 New
    -4
    And what happened with the recorders? After all, ours claimed that with the help of decryption they would prove that the Su-24 did not cross the Turkish border. Just wondering how to cross or not? The Turks say he crossed ... from our intelligible information there is no ... Let them say directly - he crossed, but did not carry any threat ... And then the talking room is incomprehensible ... No specifics ...
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 25 December 2015 12: 59 New
      +1
      With a high degree of probability, the data of the recorder cannot be restored. Mechanically only one chip survived. Given the technical level of the device’s performance, it is unlikely that there was any serious duplication of information. Alas.
      1. Altona
        Altona 25 December 2015 13: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: vadimtt
        With a high degree of probability, the data of the recorder cannot be restored. Mechanically only one chip survived. Given the technical level of the device’s performance, it is unlikely that there was any serious duplication of information. Alas.

        -------------------
        Yes, what's the point in them? Nobody provides us data of flight recorders # MH17 either, but they blame us. Although the board itself fell on the territory of Ukraine, in the zone of responsibility of Ukrainian air defense.
        1. kazachyok69
          kazachyok69 25 December 2015 13: 28 New
          -4
          Nobody provides us data of flight recorders # MH17 either, but they blame us.

          And what is going on with us? We did not have a verb on TV broadcasts-experts-witnesses-shot down the Su-25 ??? What was the name of the pilot? "Cannon openings in the cockpit" .. THIS WOULD NOT TELL THE WHOLE COUNTRY? Now, our people also recognize that they were shot down by a rocket from the ground ... someone else’s conversation ... The question is, why did the whole country have to be deliberately fooled by false data? Why in your country throw an outright misinformation?
          Morality - EVERYTHING IS COVERED BY DARKNESS !!!!!
          1. Fregate
            Fregate 25 December 2015 13: 45 New
            0
            Quote: kazachyok69
            And what is going on with us? We did not have a verb on TV broadcasts-experts-witnesses-shot down the Su-25 ??? What was the name of the pilot? "Cannon openings in the cockpit" .. THIS WOULD NOT TELL THE WHOLE COUNTRY? Now, our people also recognize that they were shot down by a rocket from the ground ... someone else’s conversation ... The question is, why did the whole country have to be deliberately fooled by false data? Why in your country throw an outright misinformation?
            Morality - EVERYTHING IS COVERED BY DARKNESS !!!!!

            Of course, I did not hear all of our statements, but of those that I heard, I did not notice that someone from our leadership asserted that he was shot down by the Su-25. SLAVE to this version - yes, and to APPROVE - no. In addition, if it is hit by a rocket, this does not cancel the fact that there was a Su-25. He was also seen by our means of control and local residents. In from and therefore inclined to this version.
            1. kazachyok69
              kazachyok69 25 December 2015 14: 44 New
              -3
              . In from and therefore inclined to this version.

              And you don’t find that there are NO conclusions on our plane in Egypt? The FSB said something ... And why? The FSB says a lot of things ... but the international investigation is ongoing and the version of the terrorist attack is just one of the versions ... at the same time, we have 99% sure of the PEOPLE, thanks to the box, that it is proved! By the way, victims of this catastrophe (eternal memory to them) still do not "carry out" as victims of a terrorist attack! There is no criminal case for the terrorist attack !!!!!!
              What is happening then? What do our media carry?
          2. evge-malyshev
            evge-malyshev 25 December 2015 14: 28 New
            0
            Quote: kazachyok69
            Morality - EVERYTHING IS COVERED BY DARKNESS !!!!!


            In general, only verified information should be published in the press (in the media). Otherwise, this is provocative information. And for this there should be responsibility.
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 25 December 2015 17: 51 New
              +1
              Quote: evge-malyshev
              (in the media) only verified information should be published.

              Axiom that does not require evidence. But then what will zhurnoshlyushki eat?
          3. evge-malyshev
            evge-malyshev 25 December 2015 14: 28 New
            0
            Quote: kazachyok69
            Morality - EVERYTHING IS COVERED BY DARKNESS !!!!!


            In general, only verified information should be published in the press (in the media). Otherwise, this is provocative information. And for this there should be responsibility.
            1. kazachyok69
              kazachyok69 25 December 2015 14: 48 New
              -2
              In general, only verified information should be published in the press (in the media).

              1 channel TV is responsible for something? According to "Egypt", the criminal case, we have no terrorist attack in it! The FSB statement about explosives is what they say behind the text, it could be so, but the People then “think” what they say, it is, it is in fact ... and .. in fact, the work of the international commission on this disaster continues .. ..and there are NO final conclusions! What about us? Ask people-they say-the terrorists blew! What do they say on TV in the media? People believe them ...
        2. novobranets
          novobranets 25 December 2015 15: 45 New
          0
          Quote: Altona
          Nobody provides us data of flight recorders # MH17, but they blame us

          MH-17: AUSTRALIA SAYS THAT RUSSIA IS NOT GUILTY, THE STREETS ARE FORGED


          An official Australian investigation into the crash of the Malaysian Airlines MN-17 plane accused the Netherlands Security Council (DSB) of failing to provide “convincing evidence” that it had definitely destroyed the airliner and to say that Russia did not hit the plane, despite allegations of the opposite from DSB. This was testified in an international court in Melbourne by a senior Australian policeman investigating the crash of an MH-17 aircraft
          In his testimony, Donoghue said that ten months after the accident, and after Kiev officials handed in less than half of the fragments of the fuselage to the Dutch, the discovery was made that "some fragments are not consistent with the wreckage of the aircraft."
          1. kazachyok69
            kazachyok69 25 December 2015 15: 55 New
            -3
            And who said and when is Russia to blame? Who and where at the official level said that Russia brought down? The result is YOU ABOUT WHAT?
            1. novobranets
              novobranets 25 December 2015 16: 13 New
              +2
              Quote: kazachyok69
              And who said and when is Russia to blame?

              Man, are you from Mars or are you still living? I’m not talking about the moon, because even there squeals were heard that Russia shot down HM17.
              1. kazachyok69
                kazachyok69 25 December 2015 16: 43 New
                -3
                My friend. Are you sick or what? Only Patients on their heads will say that in the airspace of Ukraine Russia shot down something with an anti-aircraft missile .. THIS IS Nonsense! Maybe they appeared on the moon and they say that? So I didn’t know ...
                Moral nonsense really frank do not make a fuss!
                I'm talking about the fact that the investigation "on Egypt" is still ongoing ... There are several versions .... Egypt-Russia-France is participating in it ..... There are no conclusions, only preliminary .... What kind of explosion on board- explosives and other things, our FSB and the authorities are broadcasting, I understand ... Although if you listen to them, they say "it could be so" ... But no one listens))))
                The bottom line is why without the final conclusions of the commission something is being said? I didn’t want to say anything else ..
                1. novobranets
                  novobranets 25 December 2015 16: 52 New
                  +1
                  The American and most European news media continue their frenzied campaign to hold Russia responsible for the downing of the MH 17 airliner ... Metal thunder and lightning John McCain: “Either they were shot down by their soldiers or their surrogate rebels.” This statement was echoed by John Kerry, who stated that the United States has "irrefutable evidence of Russia's involvement."
                  Write, see, know how, read, learn to read. Then it turns out who is sick.
                  1. kazachyok69
                    kazachyok69 25 December 2015 17: 02 New
                    -3
                    This is where you got it all? Is there a source? If the Ukrainians shot down unambiguously ... either the “Bandera” which is more likely (99%) ... or the “Novorossiya” .... but no matter how Russia is ... there was no our air defense ..
                    You do not understand what is written ....
                    By the way
                    US and most European news media continue their frantic campaign
                    -Do you read the American and European news media? Do you speak languages?
                    1. novobranets
                      novobranets 25 December 2015 17: 17 New
                      +1
                      Save your sarcasm for your husband, he does not impress me. I read various media, comparing it, you can get more or less truthful information. Recommend. About nadybat, open the news of those days and do not have to look for anything, they themselves climb into the eyes. By the way, the selected text is quotes from articles.
                      1. kazachyok69
                        kazachyok69 25 December 2015 17: 23 New
                        -3
                        his frenzied campaign

                        You are burning my friend "rabid" ....
                      2. novobranets
                        novobranets 25 December 2015 17: 39 New
                        +1
                        I repeat, mother, selected text, excerpts from articles. Not mine. laughing
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 25 December 2015 17: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: vadimtt
      Only one chip survived mechanically

      If the silicon crystal itself is alive, it is real, although very difficult to read. Almost like recovering information on a formatted HDD, or on a USB flash drive, only this is much easier.
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 25 December 2015 18: 17 New
        +1
        If the memory microcircuits survived, then they can be transferred to a similar recorder and read on standard equipment. But yesterday I read that they are still damaged. Eugene, do you imagine what kind of work it is to launch a damaged? With mechanical damage, the ceramic substrate breaks, often a crystal, and tracks are broken, all sizes of which are measured in microns. Moreover, the x-ray will not give a 100% guarantee of the integrity of the crystal, it may not notice a microcrack. It is necessary to open a strong plastic case without damaging the conductive terminals, not to mention the crystal itself. Connect to the findings, apply power and only then try to remove the information. And time for this is a breakthrough. Although in this case, of course, the end justifies the means.
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 25 December 2015 21: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: novobranets
          You imagine how hard it is to start a damaged

          Imagine. Not only can I imagine, but I have a concept. A bit, true, but I have. lol
          Speaking about X-ray, you did not mention the electron microscope!
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 25 December 2015 21: 42 New
            0
            Quote: Hedgehog
            You did not mention the electron microscope!

            And how can he help? R-research is done before opening the case, so that if there is a crack in the crystal, you should not waste time and cry to send the product into the bin. The microscope is good for detecting cracks in the board tracks, but it will not penetrate the material of the microcircuit case. Or do you know more ways? Share, if not a secret.
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 25 December 2015 22: 08 New
              0
              Quote: novobranets
              And how can he help?

              An electron microscope sees through the very durable plastic that you mentioned earlier. And for tracing microcracks on the board, in addition to the usual microscope, certain liquids are used to make the crack more noticeable. laughing
              1. novobranets
                novobranets 25 December 2015 22: 20 New
                0
                Quote: Hedgehog
                certain liquids that make the crack more visible.

                R-potassium permanganate and Ural federal district. I don’t know others. request But how an electron microscope can “see” through such a dense medium, I do not know again. repeat
  • jaguarstas
    jaguarstas 25 December 2015 12: 51 New
    0
    I will say that Turkey should:
    1. She must apologize for the crime, conduct an investigation together with the Russian Federation, and extradite all the criminals of the Russian Federation for trial. Compensate in court all damage from provocation to both the Russian Federation and the families of the victims.
    2. Must return territories illegally seized from other countries territories.
    3. Change the foreign policy from neo-Ottoman to friendly.
    4. Apologize to the Kurds for the genocide, condemn and punish those responsible for it and solve the problem with the Kurds.
    5. Conduct a comprehensive international investigation of terrorist activities in Turkey and abroad, when, in one way or another, its citizens took part in this activity. Condemn and punish.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 25 December 2015 13: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: jaguarstas
      I will say that Turkey should:
      1. She must apologize for the crime, conduct an investigation together with the Russian Federation, and extradite all the criminals of the Russian Federation for trial. Compensate in court all damage from provocation to both the Russian Federation and the families of the victims.
      2. Must return territories illegally seized from other countries territories.
      3. Change the foreign policy from neo-Ottoman to friendly.
      4. Apologize to the Kurds for the genocide, condemn and punish those responsible for it and solve the problem with the Kurds.
      5. Conduct a comprehensive international investigation of terrorist activities in Turkey and abroad, when, in one way or another, its citizens took part in this activity. Condemn and punish.


      This is you a storyteller !!! Andersen nervously smokes on the sidelines!
      1. jaguarstas
        jaguarstas 25 December 2015 14: 35 New
        0
        Tired of listening to what “should” Russia.
        Merikos, Turkoman, dill, Germans - all of them are not shy about pointing out loud.
        Time after time they "put Russia in its place." And do not think that they are mongrel or pugs in front of an elephant. They are doing their advocacy work. They form an international opinion.
        So I formulated the answer.
      2. jaguarstas
        jaguarstas 25 December 2015 14: 35 New
        0
        Tired of listening to what “should” Russia.
        Merikos, Turkoman, dill, Germans - all of them are not shy about pointing out loud.
        Time after time they "put Russia in its place." And do not think that they are mongrel or pugs in front of an elephant. They are doing their advocacy work. They form an international opinion.
        So I formulated the answer.
    2. novobranets
      novobranets 25 December 2015 13: 07 New
      +1
      6. Kill Erdogan against the wall.
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 25 December 2015 15: 49 New
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        Ba, our friend here again, ran over, promoted, he was immediately released from diarrhea. Hi drisch. laughing
    3. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 25 December 2015 15: 17 New
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      point 2. which territories are illegally seized from other countries? and to whom to return them?
      just wondering.
  • midashko
    midashko 25 December 2015 12: 51 New
    +1
    Turkey did not plan to destroy the Russian Su-24.

    Turkish citizens: "Gentlemen! It so happened. But you yourself are to blame!"

    You might think that Russia planned to install the S-400, the cruiser Moscow, escorting fighters, economic actions against Turkey and everything else.
  • Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 25 December 2015 12: 54 New
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    Turkey has a sick head and it hurts them more and more.
    I got so sick that I wanted to unite.
    Only the train has already left.
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  • iouris
    iouris 25 December 2015 13: 07 New
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    The topic is closed. There is nothing to comment on. At the end of the road you have to pay.
  • Horst78
    Horst78 25 December 2015 13: 17 New
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    Something too often begins to make excuses / blame what And, the season of New Year's holidays in Russia, profukan, I wonder how much they will lose only during the holidays? lol
  • Vasily123
    Vasily123 25 December 2015 13: 24 New
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    Yes, our relations with Turkey have never been and will not be good. More than 12 wars is not a joke and we all know the treacherous and vile insides of the Turks and only the corrupt Moscow elite, having closed their eyes with the dinar, forgets about it, but the Turks, by virtue of their qualities listed, were immediately reminded of it, shot down by a vile airplane and killed a defenseless pilot still in the air --- and this,, good relations ??? Which whore does the language turn about good relations to say, KNOW - a traitor is nearby or just .. .....
  • Stalingrad
    Stalingrad 25 December 2015 13: 38 New
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    Erdogan drove himself into a bottle, the prime minister, instead of wise silence (after all, this is not even a confession of guilt), follows after not assessing the current situation. Oh Almighty, you really robbed them of their minds, and the GDP was right to talk about it. Shouting shameful curses, knowing that Russia is slightly distant for kilometers, the stupidest thing for politicians in such an aggravated time. But we don’t have a bow with arrows, and not a sling with a stone. History does not teach them demons. Well, wait and see.
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 25 December 2015 14: 08 New
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    Of course they didn’t plan, the Americans planned, the Turks did. But it never removed the guilt of the artist. Well, if of course he is not an official or a Caucasian, but the victims - the budget or Russians, then of course you need to understand and forgive. As they say in any rule there are exceptions, but this certainly does not apply to the Turks.
  • VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 25 December 2015 14: 08 New
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    According to him, “Russia must admit the guilt of the pilots and focus on the real problem together with neighboring Turkey, with which she is in close relationship, - on the establishment of peace and the fight against terrorism in Syria. "
    Were- now!
  • Myth
    Myth 25 December 2015 14: 15 New
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    Yes they are Oh .. if
  • -Traveller-
    -Traveller- 25 December 2015 15: 09 New
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    patriots, but what did the Turks say so? Kanashenkov really pushed some garbage - the Turkish media give the exact numbers of our flights (open info, we give it to the television every day), which means that our plane was treacherously awaited. where, damn it, logic, causation, how does one follow from the other? twice two four four, so rain on Wednesday.
    this does not mean that the Turks did not plan to bring down the plane. this means that the evidence must be logical, and not just blurt out.
  • RUSIVAN
    RUSIVAN 25 December 2015 15: 38 New
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    Kurtulmush: Turkey did not plan to destroy the Russian Su-24 ...
    Russia knows everything that you need, whether the Turks planned to shoot down the plane or not, you just understand among yourself in Turkey what to say, but how at the bazaar, everyone screams about his ... funny you
  • afrikanez
    afrikanez 25 December 2015 17: 13 New
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    Turkey did not plan to destroy the Russian Su-24
    And what is it then, the Turkish impromptu? fool Enough of fools to search, it’s better to admit and obey! negative
  • project sity
    project sity 25 December 2015 18: 18 New
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    Correctly Vialetta says it is necessary to apologize on the rockets
  • DHA
    DHA 25 December 2015 19: 04 New
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    Russia provides flight information to the American side. And the Americans provide, if they provide, then I doubt that this information is complete.
  • DPN
    DPN 25 December 2015 21: 18 New
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    Maybe the Turks will be enough to DRAIN if Our generals themselves crap like in 1941. BOMBERS do not fly ALONE.
    And do not talk about HIT IN THE BACK. The pilots themselves HANDED!
  • faterdom
    faterdom 25 December 2015 21: 20 New
    +1
    It would be necessary to make an exchange of experience between the DPR and the PKK, on ​​the problems of eliminating enemy aircraft in a short time and radically. With passing the test in practical conditions.
  • LEX SU
    LEX SU 26 December 2015 03: 47 New
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    well, it's hard to expect anything else ...

    I see by face: the Turks urgently need to "make friends" with Russia before the holiday season
    leasing - leasing ... well, they licked Obama ... and the business is suffering ...

    just a business

    I’m wondering - is there a political force in Turkey capable of removing Erdogan?
    Osman Pasha himself will not go away