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“In the structure of Russia's GDP, the processing industry occupies only 16%”

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Therefore, oil prices are so critical for us.

Drastic changes are coming on the oil market, and most likely unprofitable for our country.

Soon the United States may enter the world market with large volumes of black gold.

Washington cancels its old ban on the export of American oil. The corresponding document was signed by Barack Obama.

What made the Americans take this step, and how will this affect Russian revenues, which are largely generated from the sale of oil?

The KM.RU portal is answered by Nikolay Arefyev, Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Economic Policy, Innovative Development and Entrepreneurship.

You can't argue with billionaires - they are able to change presidents


- Americans can really put on the market a fairly large amount of oil. There was a law prohibiting the sale of non-renewable resources, but two large oil companies came to Congress with a proposal to cancel this rule. You can’t argue with billionaires a lot - they are able to change presidents, so Obama made concessions.

But in fairness it must be admitted that in the US there is no place to store accumulated stocks. It got to the point that in America they began to make underwater tankers-tankers, since on the ground storage tanks were filled to capacity. The inviolable stock is full, and an excess has already formed. So the United States puts its oil on the market not only to harm us and lower the price, but simply to go nowhere ourselves.

In addition, Iran is increasing its volumes, and OPEC countries have exceeded their own quotas, and in the future they will also increase oil sales.

For us, this is all important, since in the structure of the Russian Federation's GDP, the processing industry occupies only 16%. For comparison, the German manufacturing industry gives 84% of GDP. Therefore, Germany does not feel any discomfort from the decline in oil prices, and, perhaps, on the contrary, the cheapening of petroleum products is beneficial to it.

And we clutch for the head, understanding, that the money received "on a sphere", comes to an end. The cost of oil is only 8 dollars per barrel, a reasonable price in the market should be 20 dollars, and everything else is wound up using futures trading.

In the military-industrial complex is done as it should


Yes, the price per barrel rose very high, to 120, and sometimes higher than dollars, but the soap bubble burst, and gradually everything falls into place. Futures speculation began to decline, “future oil” was stopped to buy, because it was already in bulk in the market, and only futures caught up with a high price.

The budget is bursting at the seams, and if the price falls at least to 28 dollars per barrel, and experts do not exclude this option, then we will not get enough 5-6 trillion rubles in the budget. The dollar rate is associated with this process, it is growing for this very reason.

We had to spend the Reserve Fund to increase the volume of industrial products and agriculture. But the government is not engaged in this, with one exception - in the military-industrial complex is done as it should. They began to make submarines and airplanes, abandoned spare parts from Ukraine, and began to produce them themselves. Over the past three years, they have learned how to conclude relevant contracts with businessmen.

If this can be done in the military-industrial complex, then why is it impossible to conduct a similar policy in other areas of the economy? But light industry is not growing, and the acreage does not increase.
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  1. Infinity
    Infinity 26 December 2015 10: 15 New
    +3
    What is pumping oil ... There are forces for which a low price is very unprofitable (and in the USA too).
    And in order to get off the "oil needle" it is necessary to develop production. In this case, counter-sanctions are needed, because this partially protects our manufacturer from competitors, no matter what critics say. At the same time ... we did respond to their sanctions. Otherwise, ours can’t get on the market, and at the same time endure competition!
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 26 December 2015 10: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: Infinity
      . There are forces for which a low price is very unprofitable (and in the USA too).

      Here, that's why the US business decided to take such a step. The funniest thing in the article is this quote about Obama, how much is left for him? before re-election. And is he going for the next term?
      they are able to change presidents, and Obama made concessions.

      The United States and the entire "civilized" Western world went to Wah Bank.
      The winner is all or nothing.
      1. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 26 December 2015 10: 58 New
        11
        Quote: Sirocco
        this quote about Obama, how much is left for him?
        - sixteen%!!! These are armor-piercing nails in the coffin of our economic course. Why is Obama hiding there. But Magadan doesn’t dream of our “leaders” themselves?
        1. Shveps
          Shveps 26 December 2015 12: 38 New
          -2
          [/ quote] - 16% !!! These are armor-piercing nails in the coffin of our economic course. Why is Obama hiding there. But our "leaders" Magadan does not dream? [/ Quote]
          1. anew
            anew 26 December 2015 13: 01 New
            -9
            Why are you trying to trick us? YOU did not have any of this during a mustached pockmarked ghoul. YOU had a maximum of patched socks. And a pair of shoes. Often one for two.
            And now there is some kind of living space in the property. Cottage with zemlyats. Often a car. Do you think that it made YOU worse? For God's sake. Nobody holds YOU. North Korea is waiting for YOU. All that you dream about, and right in real time. Get down. And do not bother others.
            1. saber
              saber 26 December 2015 14: 05 New
              0
              Like, did YOU have something more? I understand, but that was how most citizens of then-Europe lived. It was under Stalin that both portoki and pairs of shoes became commonplace. And the living space after the war was being built at a tremendous pace, so the move of people from barracks to apartments was not due to Khrushchev, but Stalin. and the fact that everyone, and not just a wealthy landowner, has a cottage with zemlyatse, it also happened not without Stalin.
              1. anew
                anew 26 December 2015 14: 21 New
                -2
                Quote: Saber
                I understand, but that was how most citizens of then-Europe lived.

                It’s ridiculous. If you wanted to make fun, then you succeeded.
                Quote: Saber
                It was under Stalin that both trousers and pairs of shoes became commonplace.

                But this is no longer funny. Why lie so frankly?
                Quote: Saber
                And the housing after the war was built at a tremendous pace,

                The living space was built not for you, but for the state. These are different things. You would at least master the basics of public relations or something. Have you finished school?
                Quote: Saber
                and the fact that everyone has a cottage with zemlyats

                You are simply an arrogant liar. There were no dachas with land under Dzhugashvili. Only large feudal lords. Those. party and households. figures. Garden plots began to give land en masse only under Gorbachev. So that people do not glue fins from hunger.
        2. i80186
          i80186 26 December 2015 13: 44 New
          +2
          Quote: oldseaman1957
          - sixteen%!!! These are armor-piercing nails in the coffin of our economic course. Why is Obama hiding there. But Magadan doesn’t dream of our “leaders” themselves?

          But for example, the mining industry in the structure of our GDP takes only 10%. What is the author of the article about not a word. How is it asked in a country where the most in the world of minerals do not use this? By the way, Germany has a manufacturing industry of 30%, and 69% - the service sector. What is it all about?
          1. Terner38
            Terner38 26 December 2015 14: 58 New
            +6
            Here is a miracle - in my city there is not a single oil derrick and gold mine! What is 200 thousand people doing? - Intimate services? The factories are the sea — after all, the city of Kovrov — tank stabilizers, “Kordy”, hydraulics, “Willows”, gas centrifuges for nuclear power plants. Apart from consumer goods throughout the country, Ascon mattresses, trading equipment and payment terminals with KZTO (I work on it myself ), doors, clothes, shoes ITD. Well 16% !!! I believe!
            1. Alexl
              Alexl 26 December 2015 16: 52 New
              0
              Not everywhere as in Kovrov.
            2. Hon
              Hon 26 December 2015 17: 08 New
              0
              Well, how much in monetary terms?
          2. Alexl
            Alexl 26 December 2015 16: 52 New
            -3
            2/3 of Russian exports are oil and gas raw materials.
            1. zennon
              zennon 26 December 2015 17: 48 New
              +3
              Quote: AleksL
              2/3 of Russian exports are oil and gas raw materials.

              Lying. In 2014, Russian exports abroad amounted to almost $ 500 billion, while 51,5% accounted for products of the so-called non-oil exports.
              http://www.melkon.lv/news/2015/05/17/struktura-rossijjskogo-ehksporta/
              1. tolian
                tolian 26 December 2015 21: 34 New
                0
                And here, mostly "cool" economists. True, they do not know how to read. Writers mainly.
          3. shvn
            shvn 26 December 2015 22: 27 New
            0
            But it seemed to me that the author woke up from a hangover, was afraid of something dreaming, well, and began to shit ... I decided to shut up with an economical hacker? Sober up, and then write ...
          4. NIKNN
            NIKNN 26 December 2015 23: 18 New
            +2
            - Americans can really put on the market a fairly large amount of oil. There was a law prohibiting the sale of non-renewable resources, but two large oil companies came to Congress with a proposal to cancel this rule. You can’t argue with billionaires a lot - they are able to change presidents, so Obama made concessions.

            Something this reminds me ... Business considers only short-term profits, I think the word "non-renewable" doesn’t concern them much (with regards to America, it pleases), but as I understand it, sanctions help us to save resources. On the other hand, they already sleep ... they have nowhere to store, and ISIS drags and drags .... request
        3. VP
          VP 26 December 2015 19: 44 New
          +1
          The United States has about the same
          http://m.aftershock.news/?q=node/359906
          About 84 percent of the Hans simply can not believe it.
          For in addition to the manufacturing sector, there is also the service sector, medicine, trade, agriculture, transport, energy, social services, the financial sector, construction, etc. etc. And all this remains only 16 percent ??
          Oh well. So I see how the whole country stands at the machine tools without doing anything else.
          It would be very nice if the author would cite the sources of numbers. I hope they were not taken with potolok
        4. tolian
          tolian 26 December 2015 21: 31 New
          +1
          You will not tell me - in the United States how many percent?
      2. hrapon
        hrapon 26 December 2015 11: 16 New
        -3
        Quote: Sirocco
        [
        The United States and the entire "civilized" Western world went to Wah Bank.
        The winner is all or nothing.


        I doubt very much that anyone there is able to go all-in.


        And the price of oil? Apparently, very soon (during the 1-th quarter), a hysterical increase in oil prices will begin. The Americans, who are actually controlling pricing, will not open the shutter for their exports at a falling price. Those who think will understand what I mean. This is indicated by many factors. I will not list them. Laziness.


        PS Those wishing to celebrate: Wellcome. Maybe, thanks to you, I will again become a captain (Ah, youth, youth ...) at least virtually.
        1. Atrix
          Atrix 26 December 2015 12: 17 New
          +2
          Quote: hrapon
          Apparently, very soon (during the 1-th quarter), a hysterical increase in oil prices will begin. The Americans, who are actually controlling pricing, will not open the shutter for their exports at a falling price.

          Here you can argue with you. It depends on how much a favorable price is for America, if the cost of oil for companies is within 5 $, then the price in 15 $ will suit them. The US budget does not depend on oil prices and most importantly, the US cheap oil plays a major role in the development of industry. There, gas prices change every day, oil falls the gallon price, and in Russia (and the CIS) I think also if the price has risen it is unlikely to drop anymore regardless of the price of oil.
          Plus, one must take into account the fact of destabilization of Russia with cheap hydrocarbons, and for the United States this seems to me more important than the short-term corporate profits. For short-term gains lose before long-term gains from destabilizing Russia.
          1. tolian
            tolian 26 December 2015 21: 38 New
            0
            Why argue? Wait a bit.
          2. Cherpak
            Cherpak 28 December 2015 12: 30 New
            0
            No one thought that this could be such an economic move:
            1. We buy oil at the min price (save)
            2. We inflate the price to heaven (just the law adopted that you can sell from the United States)
            ... And about the price of $ 15 - this is unlikely, because if you have assets in oil reserves, then lowering the price of assets leads to ruin of the owner ...
        2. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 26 December 2015 19: 21 New
          0
          I would like to help you rejuvenate, but there’s nothing to minus! smile
        3. tolian
          tolian 26 December 2015 21: 37 New
          0
          I agree. Oil is black gold. And gold is not scattered. And Obama is simple.
        4. shvn
          shvn 26 December 2015 22: 31 New
          0
          Why minus that? I, sir, like your forecast and put a plus. )))
      3. Asadullah
        Asadullah 26 December 2015 11: 17 New
        +2
        The United States and the entire "civilized" Western world went to Wah Bank.
        The winner is all or nothing.


        The precedent phenomenon. Plus reassessment of their capabilities. Plus the incorrect interpretation of the capabilities of information technology. They considered the victory in the Cold War their merit, and specific economic and political measures, a precedent condition. And so it happened, the diplomatic isolation of Russia in the Afghan war, the agreement to lower oil prices, and the "right" leader, in their understanding, led to victory. Now they are doing the same thing, but with all the power of the Anglo-Saxon belly and not bothering with diplomacy. In the understanding of the capitalist brain, the only thing that prevents is Putin. From that, all attempts were used, up to physical elimination.
        1. Shveps
          Shveps 26 December 2015 11: 47 New
          +9
          Quote: Asadullah
          In the understanding of the capitalist brain, the only thing that prevents is Putin.


          Minatom - Kiriyenko, RUSNANO - Chubais, Education - Livanov, Sport - Mutko, Nabiulinskaya with Gref in half economy ...
          And why do they (capitalists) not like Putin?
          1. saber
            saber 26 December 2015 14: 06 New
            +1
            what claims to Minatom and Gref?
            1. Terner38
              Terner38 26 December 2015 15: 01 New
              +1
              Kiriyenko flies to us, already the grass, as in the army, is painted!
              1. saber
                saber 26 December 2015 15: 09 New
                +1
                I'm afraid it’s not Kiriyenko’s fault.
                1. tolian
                  tolian 26 December 2015 21: 41 New
                  0
                  Precisely, those who paint are to blame.
          2. tolian
            tolian 26 December 2015 21: 41 New
            0
            Namely for this. Chubais Tolik is one - what it costs. Not so simple!
      4. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 26 December 2015 11: 47 New
        +7
        Honestly, the order is tired of such muddy unprofessional articles. He wrote either a pensioner after the next TV show where everything was lost, or a student of the 1 course of some economic university. The given data on GDP contradict statistics, it is not clear where they are taken from, and the style of presentation is continuous scarecrows.
        In short, the qualifications of a serious economist and does not smell.
        1. hrapon
          hrapon 26 December 2015 11: 56 New
          +1
          I agree. Trite things in the tone of the initiate, to whom the illumination is revealed.

          But "bubbling" causes like UPSA in a glass ....
        2. alone
          alone 26 December 2015 15: 48 New
          +2
          Quote: Stock Officer
          Honestly, the order is tired of such muddy unprofessional articles. He wrote either a pensioner after the next TV show where everything was lost, or a student of the 1 course of some economic university. The given data on GDP contradict statistics, it is not clear where they are taken from, and the style of presentation is continuous scarecrows.
          In short, the qualifications of a serious economist and does not smell.

          Alexey, statistics are an interesting thing))) In most cases, statistics and reality are very different from each other.
          1. Atrix
            Atrix 26 December 2015 15: 57 New
            +3
            Quote: lonely
            statistics is an interesting thing))) In most cases, statistics and reality are very different from each other

            You did not correctly formulate the answer wink Not from reality, but from what is shown on TV, reality is statistics.
            1. tolian
              tolian 26 December 2015 21: 51 New
              +1
              Kneaded. I somehow read the rating of living standards by country. Russia is somewhere close to an African country. Type Guinea Equatorial. Could write it only or dur.n or registered scribbler.
          2. tolian
            tolian 26 December 2015 21: 45 New
            0
            Well, here you are. The academic thing is truth, falsehood and statistics. So the lie and statistics are sisters about .... sti ... and.
        3. tolian
          tolian 26 December 2015 21: 43 New
          0
          So many blank articles. They write, write, write ...... No, they would - read
    2. Grenader
      Grenader 26 December 2015 10: 34 New
      +4
      As practice shows, depending on oil prices is extremely reckless. Fluctuations in this price affect our economy catastrophically. The United States uses this 100% of our Achilles' heel and will do everything to make us suffer economic collapse. Our liberal government proceeds from the dogma that producing in Russia is categorically expensive and pointless. They believe that Russian industry is not competitive in principle, and they do not want to bother with it, but how blessed they expect changes in market conditions. But the shop was closed, although it still has not reached our government. Now the country has two ways: the first - to urgently change the legislation to create a favorable climate for producers and heavy industry, urgent as in the Stalin era industrialization, the second sitting on the bottom waiting for rising oil prices - which most likely will not happen. The government chooses the second option because the brain is missing something else.
      1. stc-lsz
        stc-lsz 26 December 2015 11: 06 New
        +3
        Yes, it’s not the brain! Just the first way, though correct, but not very fast. This is a task for several generations. And the comparison with Stalin's industrialization here is not entirely correct, because then it was aimed exclusively at our domestic market and the issue of competitiveness with foreign products simply did not stand for us in principle. Now, as you understand, the situation is somewhat different - in the open market, poor-quality domestic products simply will not find demand and there will be a transfer of resources to scrap metal. The story with AvtoVAZ is an example of this. This, of course, does not mean that you need to sit and do nothing, but waiting for the effect in the foreseeable future will also be unreasonable.
        1. WINovikov
          WINovikov 26 December 2015 20: 41 New
          +2
          The story of AvtoVAZ ...
          Are smart people in Russia transferred? Who selects the personnel, who appoints them? It is necessary to change the appointees.
        2. tolian
          tolian 26 December 2015 21: 58 New
          0
          All the writers are sown in milking and field operators, and harvested. Everything will be alright. Already, exports of agricultural products are ahead of arms exports in value. Aren't pique economists advisers?
      2. atalef
        atalef 26 December 2015 11: 08 New
        -6
        Quote: Grenader
        As practice shows, depending on oil prices is extremely reckless. Fluctuations in this price affect our economy catastrophically. usa use this our Achilles heel 100%

        Ie before they did everything to make Russia rich? belay
        Quote: Grenader
        Our liberal government proceeds from the dogma that producing in Russia is categorically expensive and pointless.

        no, it comes from dogma - oil prices are infinitely high and that’s forever.
        Quote: Grenader
        They believe that Russian industry is not competitive in principle and do not want to bother with it

        And when the dough is not measured, why bother?
        Quote: Grenader
        Now the country has two ways: the first is to urgently change legislation to create a favorable climate for producers and heavy industry, urgent as in the Stalin era industrialization

        How ? There is no money, but no one will sell technology

        Quote: Grenader
        The government chooses the second option because the brain is missing something else.

        Well no . The situation is hopeless.
        1. asiat_61
          asiat_61 26 December 2015 11: 22 New
          +2
          -Katz, offers to give up!
        2. nerd.su
          nerd.su 26 December 2015 13: 22 New
          +4
          Quote: atalef
          How ? There is no money, but no one will sell technology

          Yes, we have the technology. Here the problem is not in the outhouses, but in the heads. I do not want to share power and control over cash flows with people who can work.



          Quote: atalef
          Well no . The situation is hopeless.

          Even if we were eaten, we have two options ...
          1. atalef
            atalef 26 December 2015 14: 33 New
            -1
            Quote: bot.su
            Yes, we have technology

            Sorry not sure
            Quote: bot.su
            I do not want to share power and control over cash flows with people who can work.

            Come on you. on the empty place . nothing can arise and if there is no ICS technology, then thousands of PLAYER developments have not been carried out.
            If it was not developed, then it is stupidly not. There are no machines, those documentation, norms and rules of use, personnel, etc. etc. - no.
            This is not waiting for you on any shelf. You can’t buy it, develop it yourself - by paying an order or two more money and not the fact that you will get a competitive product.
            Quote: bot.su
            Even if they ate us, we have two options ..

            Well, in general - conventional - one. The second only with medicine or if you drink it.
            And both .....
            1. nerd.su
              nerd.su 27 December 2015 18: 01 New
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              Sorry not sure

              I am not saying that we have all the technology. But with sufficient political will, we can produce almost everything.

              Quote: atalef
              If it was not developed, then it is stupidly not. There are no machines, those documentation, norms and rules of use, personnel, etc. etc. - no.
              This is not waiting for you on any shelf. You can’t buy it, develop it yourself - by paying an order or two more money and not the fact that you will get a competitive product.

              Yes, our gap is strong. But, nevertheless, in the field of studying the subsoil, which is closest to me, we produce all the necessary equipment. And if there were bones, meat can always be built up. Proper nutrition and perseverance in training, so to speak. I think in other sectors the situation is not much worse.
              You can’t buy - an unreal situation. You can buy in white and black. There are specially trained "sales" agents.

              Well, however, two ways out, regardless of conventionality smile
          2. cap
            cap 26 December 2015 20: 43 New
            0
            Quote: bot.su
            Quote: atalef
            Well no . The situation is hopeless.

            Even if we were eaten, we have two options ...


            Sorry for the intrusion hi
            I don’t know what the government will do.
            I completely disagree with the opinion that if we are eaten we will have two ways out. According to the physiologists of mammals, there is only one way out and we are almost on the way out. To my great regret.
            1. nerd.su
              nerd.su 27 December 2015 18: 05 New
              +1
              Yes you are a pessimist just smile
              There are two ways out. Belching food is a natural process in many mammals. And not just mammals. Maybe from gluttony, but nonetheless.
        3. Grenader
          Grenader 26 December 2015 13: 23 New
          +4
          Quote: atalef

          Ie before they did everything to make Russia rich? belay

          Yes. But on certain conditions: the money earned on oil was invested in the Western economy — went to the stabilization fund, plundered, spent on the purchase of industrial and agricultural goods in the West, own production and agriculture were reduced. Oddly enough, now we are more vulnerable than in 1998, then the industry still remained, now it has declined quite noticeably. According to this, from the point of view of Amers, the moment for financial strangulation of Russia is favorable - own production is not large, and they will limit the flow of currency by lowering oil prices.
          1. atalef
            atalef 26 December 2015 14: 38 New
            +1
            Quote: Grenader
            Yes. But on certain conditions: the money earned from oil was invested in the Western economy - went to the stabilization fund, plundered, spent on the purchase of industrial and agricultural goods in the west,

            Some kind of nonsense, they could stupidly not spend this money (on the purchase of oil), but invest directly in their economy.
            What was the intermediary in the person of Russia? Explain
            Quote: Grenader
            Oddly enough, now we are more vulnerable than in 1998, then the industry still remained, now it has declined quite noticeably.

            is the West to blame for this?
            Quote: Grenader
            According to this, from the point of view of amers, the moment for financial strangulation of Russia is favorable

            And why did they even need Russia to make money from oil?
            So maybe it's not that simple?
            And somehow interesting, but I do not see the logic.
            High prices - what would Russia earn and invest in the West, low - what would suffocate Russia, but is it no longer profitable to invest in the West?
            I don’t see logic.
            1. Grenader
              Grenader 26 December 2015 15: 18 New
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              Some kind of nonsense, they could stupidly not spend this money (on the purchase of oil), but invest directly in their economy.
              What was the intermediary in the person of Russia? Explain

              The usual divorce is to give the sucker a win first. Russia received oil tanks and, on the advice of the IMF, was breaking its industry, with money being returned to the west. In general, the game is long. If Russia had been pressed right away, willy-nilly would have taken up the modernization of industry.
              Quote: atalef
              is the West to blame for this?

              Quote: atalef
              is the West to blame for this?

              The leadership of Russia.
              Quote: atalef

              And why did they even need Russia to make money from oil?

              Put it on an oil needle and help to break everything else at this time. The strategy is to make the enemy vulnerable, then strike.
              1. atalef
                atalef 26 December 2015 15: 39 New
                +1
                Quote: Grenader
                The usual divorce is to give the sucker a win first.

                Delirium
                Quote: Grenader
                Russia received oil tanks and, on the advice of the IMF, was breaking its industry,

                Well, yes, the IMF is now to blame
                Quote: Grenader
                whereby the money returned to the west.

                He did not answer, but why return if it was possible not to give?
                Quote: Grenader
                In general, the game is long. If Russia had been pressed right away, willy-nilly would have taken up the modernization of industry.

                Well, yes. Whatever modernized, they would fill up with money, and it’s the same bad, maybe without money, they would have been modernized long ago.
                Do you believe in these tales?

                Quote: Grenader
                Put it on an oil needle and help to break everything else at this time. .

                Brad.
                Quote: Grenader
                rategiya - make the enemy vulnerable

                Littered with money
                Quote: Grenader
                then strike.

                And which ?
                1. Grenader
                  Grenader 26 December 2015 19: 58 New
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  Delirium

                  Not an argument. A detailed answer is required.
                  Quote: atalef
                  Well, yes, the IMF is now to blame

                  The IMF gave loans in the early 90s on certain conditions. These very conditions were fulfilled by our liberal economists, even when we didn’t take loans in the west.
                  Quote: atalef
                  He did not answer, but why return if it was possible not to give?

                  If I didn’t get a thought, I’m chewing: Russia received income from the sale of raw materials, even processing this very raw material in the country is not enough. Because liberals came to the country; they decided to curtail all production in Russia, which was done, but not completely. After we have become dependent on many industries for imports, they impose sanctions on us and drop the price of oil almost simultaneously. And we have not only manufactured goods but also food purchased for dollars. No dollars, no food. In general, to give to earn this lull of vigilance.
                  Quote: atalef
                  Well, yes. Whatever modernized, they would fill up with money, and it’s the same bad, maybe without money, they would have been modernized long ago.
                  Do you believe in these tales?

                  This is a fact. There was money, but there was no development of industry. Partly answered in the previous paragraph.
                  Quote: atalef
                  Brad.

                  Not an argument.
                  Quote: atalef
                  And which ?
                  Sanctions, the collapse of oil prices, economic strangulation - a strategy used against the USSR in the 80s-90s.
            2. DarkRiver
              DarkRiver 26 December 2015 17: 07 New
              +3
              Stop carrying garbage, sorry, before predicting "no way out" for us, check out statistics on industrial production, production of cx products, automotive industry, etc. over the past 15 years. See statistics not of Kremlin origin but of the World Bank, Mundi indices (CIA data), Bloomberg, IMF. In all respects, significant growth, even taking into account the current crisis. I understand that everything from Israel looks more objective, but much has changed over the past decade. Ohh, we don’t have technologies, Russian Helicopters is the leader in exporting helicopters in the world, 80 rocket engines in the USA were sold only under the last contract, Russian sapphire glasses are in the new iPhone, only 2 countries in the world produce isotopes for MRI devices, for example - Russia and the USA, RosAtom is one of the leaders in nuclear energy in the world, so by the way all cargoes to the ISS are delivered by Russian Protons and even AvtoVAZ, it’s unbelievable that for the last 5 years it has made quite suitable cars, we don’t have a damn. It’s not necessary to live by 90s stereotypes, but to read something a bit, since you’re sitting on Russian-language sites and trying to speak out.
              1. anew
                anew 26 December 2015 17: 42 New
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                Quote: DarkRiver
                Ohh, we don’t have technologies, Russian Helicopters is the leader in the export of helicopters in the world, 80 rocket engines in the USA were sold only under the last contract, and even AvtoVAZ, unbelievably, has made quite suitable cars for the last 5 years.

                Do you own shares of Russian Helicopters? Plant them. Khrunicheva? Do you own AvtoVAZ? Why are you so excited?
                According to Credit Suisse for 2014. welfare in terms of personal finances of people over 20 years of age decreased by 40,1%.
                According to Allianz for 2014. accumulated wealth in terms of 1 person. decreased by 50,1%.
                Here it is it's important. And very disturbing. And about the "Russian Helicopters" and AvtoVAZ just interesting.
                1. DarkRiver
                  DarkRiver 26 December 2015 17: 49 New
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                  Quote: anew

                  Do you own shares of Russian Helicopters? Plant them. Khrunicheva? Do you own AvtoVAZ? Why are you so excited?

                  What is the question at all? Just to fart))) For one year 2012 "Russian helicopters produced 290 helicopters, for comparison, the Antonov factory in Kiev has produced 15 aircraft over the past 11 years, and even then several of them are made to Russian order.

                  Quote: anew

                  According to Credit Suisse for 2014. welfare in terms of personal finances of people over 20 years of age decreased by 40,1%.
                  According to Allianz for 2014. accumulated wealth in terms of 1 person. decreased by 50,1%.

                  Data for all 15 years in the studio, please, then the whole picture will be visible from afar. I don’t know what is there and how Credit Suisse believed, and compared with the year 2001, Russians had three times as many cars per 1000 people, we’ll go to hell, eat up the last hedgehogs, yeah))
                  1. anew
                    anew 26 December 2015 18: 18 New
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                    Quote: DarkRiver
                    Just to fart))

                    I have no digestive problems. So, you know better.
                    Quote: DarkRiver
                    For one year 2012, Russian Helicopters produced 290 helicopters, for comparison, the Antonov factory in Kiev has produced 15 aircraft over the past 11 years, and even then several of them are made to Russian order.

                    Do you understand Russian? What did I write to you, do you understand? It seems to me that they did not understand at all. Therefore, read as much as necessary. In order to understand.
                    PS. Internet "statesmen" are already just tired.
                    Quote: DarkRiver
                    Data for all 15 years in the studio

                    And why not in comparison with 1913? Favorite pastime of the Bolsheviks, to compare everything with 1913. And to pretend that only a couple of years have passed since then.
                    Quote: DarkRiver
                    and compared with the year 2001, Russians got three times more cars per 1000 people

                    And compared to 1913? They just started to live perfectly. In terms of car bombs.
                    PS. 2001 was 14 years ago. I do not know how for you, but for the whole world it is a lot.
                    PPP. According to Allianz from 2011 to 2014. inclusive (i.e. for 4 years) accumulated wealth in terms of 1 person. decreased by 55,1%. This is in euros. In dollars it’s even worse. This is -58,8%. These are the "cars".
                    1. DarkRiver
                      DarkRiver 26 December 2015 18: 43 New
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                      Quote: anew
                      Just to fart))
                      I have no digestive problems. So, you know better.


                      It’s not, chronic diarrhea in the form of a fart break in your all-enforcers is practically an occupational disease, especially when you are familiar with statistics, for example, with GDP that has grown 8 times over 15 years

                      Quote: anew

                      And why not in comparison with 1913? Favorite pastime of the Bolsheviks, to compare everything with 1913. And to pretend that only a couple of years have passed since then.


                      That's why I love demagogues, because they have all the answers like a carbon copy, their word is like bots. Yes, everything is very simple, 80% of Russians and I did not live in 1913, but in 2001 we lived. So let's not conduct statistics at all, 15 years or a hundred years, what difference does it make to us, really, my friend?



                      Quote: anew

                      PS. 2001 was 14 years ago. I do not know how for you, but for the whole world it is a lot.


                      Oga, oga, and so in Germany over the same period, the number of cars per 1000 people, not only did not increase, but even slightly decreased - http://knoema.ru/atlas/%D0%93%D0%B5%D1%80 % D0% BC% D0% B0% D0% BD% D0% B8% D1% 8F /% D0% 9A% D
                      0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%BE-%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%BA%D0
                      %BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D1%85-%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%
                      B5%D0%B9-%D0%BD%D0%B0-1000-%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BA, будем статистику по Германии 1913 года смотерть или, не?

                      Quote: anew
                      PPP. According to Allianz from 2011 to 2014. inclusive (i.e. for 4 years) accumulated wealth in terms of 1 person. decreased by 55,1%. This is in euros. In dollars it’s even worse. This is -58,8%. These are the "cars".

                      You should at least read your own article in Novaya Gazeta about how this indicator was calculated - "Experts say that from 2000 to 2005, Russia was a leader in increasing the welfare of its citizens, and by 2010 it was one of the top ten." http://www.novayagazeta.ru/news/1697239.html
                      1. anew
                        anew 26 December 2015 19: 36 New
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                        Quote: DarkRiver
                        That is not, chronic diarrhea in the form of a tear of farts.

                        I am directly amazed at your knowledge of proctology. She is clearly not a stranger to you.
                        Quote: DarkRiver
                        especially when you introduce you to statistics, for example, GDP that has grown by 8 times over 15 years

                        GDP and welfare, this is not expected either. In addition, you turn to the understated base of 2000. In cards, this is called a "distort."
                        Quote: DarkRiver
                        Yes, everything is very simple, 80% of Russians and I did not live in 1913, but in 2001 we lived. So let's not conduct statistics at all, 15 years or a hundred years, what difference does it make to us, really, my friend?

                        So the vast majority of Russians lived under the USSR. Why then not measure for 1991? Then it’s even more agile.
                        Quote: DarkRiver
                        Oga, og, so in Germany over the same period, the number of cars per 1000 people, not only did not increase, but even slightly decreased

                        You measure well-being by the amount of chewing gum.
                        Quote: DarkRiver
                        At least read your own article in the Novaya Gazeta

                        Mandatory. As soon as it is printed, I immediately read it. And I will send you.
                        Quote: DarkRiver
                        "Experts say that from 2000 to 2005, Russia was a leader in increasing the welfare of its citizens

                        Link to some anonymous "experts" is worth a lot. This is how to refer to the grandmothers near the entrance. Although, who knows. Maybe that’s how it once was. I was not interested in that period.
                        Quote: DarkRiver
                        and until 2010 - one of the ten leaders

                        We look at the 2010 Allianz report. https://www.allianz.com/v_1339507960000/media/current/de/economic_research/image
                        s_deutsch / pdf_downloads / spezialthemen / agwr_2011d.pdf
                        Russia, 45th place among the 50 largest countries. Worse than Colombia, but better than Argentina. 10,0% of the average.
                        And in the top 10 leaders in 2010. included:
                        1 Switzerland
                        2. USA
                        3 Japan
                        4 Denmark
                        5 The Netherlands
                        6 Australia
                        7. Singapore
                        8. Belgium
                        9. Britain
                        10.Canada
                        Learn the materiel, DarkRiver.
                      2. DarkRiver
                        DarkRiver 26 December 2015 20: 29 New
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                        Quote: anew

                        I am directly amazed at your knowledge of proctology. She is clearly not a stranger to you.

                        You’ll become a specialist here when farts have been cracking for the entire Internet for a dozen years, and in Russia the paragraph doesn’t come anyway, on the contrary, Russia is also rearming, if we say in the context of the site.

                        Quote: anew

                        GDP and welfare, this is not expected either. In addition, you turn to the understated base of 2000. In cards, this is called a "distort."

                        This is news, but you’ve opened a new era in macroeconomics)) Well, the welfare of the population can be increased without increasing GDP, escho escho)) Lord, and this is what the new term is “understated base,” who understated? Why underestimated? All claims to the IMF and the World Bank, I have nothing to do with it, garlic, garlic.

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                        So the vast majority of Russians lived under the USSR. Why then not measure for 1991? Then it’s even more agile.

                        The fact of the matter is that in the 90s all indicators only fell down. Not everyone lived under the USSR, but everyone lived under the Putin team. There is such a term - “state management efficiency”. How is this effectiveness evaluated worldwide? According to quite tangible macroeconomic indicators. So these 15 years, about which I am telling you, this is the period under the leadership of the Putin team. Well, now, forward with numbers and not with demagogy, bring me at least one important indicator by which Russia has slipped down over the course of 15 years - industrial, agricultural production, welfare of citizens, and Alaverdi.

                        Quote: anew

                        You measure well-being by the amount of chewing gum.

                        That than do not measure, everywhere improvement. The number of cars per 1000 people. - This is one of the most IMPORTANT and OBJECTIVE indicators of well-being, well, economists have been led around the world, do not blame them, of course, they are far from your heights.


                        Quote: anew

                        Mandatory. As soon as it is printed, I immediately read it. And I will send you.

                        We don’t follow the links, of course, this was a link to Novaya Gazeta with this your Allianz and Credit Suisse.


                        Quote: anew

                        We look at the 2010 Allianz report. https://www.allianz.com/v_1339507960000/media/current/de/economic_research/image

                        s_deutsch / pdf_downloads / spezialthemen / agwr_2011d.pdf
                        Russia, 45th place among the 50 largest countries. Worse than Colombia, but better than Argentina. 10,0% of the average.

                        I told him about one thing, he told me about the tenth. Well, yes, now bring the same source from 2001, let me guess - Russia will probably have a place somewhere in the 80s there. Do you know such a Chukchi macroeconomic term as a “positive trend”?
                      3. anew
                        anew 26 December 2015 22: 02 New
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                        Quote: DarkRiver
                        You’ll become a specialist when farts crack

                        As I understand you. Himself forced to do this constantly. And to explain elementary things to them.
                        Quote: DarkRiver
                        This is news, but you’ve opened a new era in macroeconomics)

                        No. It’s just that you don’t know. And I won’t explain to you. If you undertake to discuss economic topics, please be in the know.
                        Quote: DarkRiver
                        Okazetsetsa well-being of the population can be increased without increasing GDP, peish escho))

                        Did you come up with such a conclusion? And thought for a long time?
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                        All claims to the IMF and the World Bank, I have nothing to do with it, garlic, garlic.

                        All claims to you. Because you always want to compare HZ with what decrepit years.
                        Quote: DarkRiver
                        Well, now, forward with numbers and not with demagogy, bring me at least one important indicator by which Russia has slipped down over the course of 15 years - industrial, agricultural production, welfare of citizens, and Alaverdi.

                        And I’m not going to. And I advise you to study the meaning of the term "comparable conditions".
                        Quote: DarkRiver
                        The number of cars per 1000 people. - This is one of the most important and objective indicators of well-being.

                        Yours no.
                        Quote: DarkRiver
                        We don’t follow the links, it’s clear

                        What's the point? Why discuss something that isn't even worth mentioning? The passage in the article is relatively "and until 2010 - was one of the ten leaders." disproved by numbers. Because according to Allianz data for 2009 the average Swiss (1st place) “cost” 163732 10 euros, the average Norwegian (62716th place) “cost” 1405 euros, and the average Russian 45 euros. 50th place from XNUMX countries.
                        If interested, then the average Estonian "cost" 17060 euros (26th place). No comments. https://www.allianz.com/v_1339498662000/media/current/en/economic_research/image



                        s_englisch / pdf_downloads / specials / agwr_eng.pdf
                        Quote: DarkRiver
                        and now bring the same source in 2001, let me guess - Russia will probably have a place somewhere around the 80s

                        Did not guess. Allianz data in a comparable method is released only since 2009. By the way, for 6 years (2009-2014 inclusive), the Russian in euro "fell" by 35,8%. And in dollars by 45,6%. I hope six years is enough for you?
                      4. DarkRiver
                        DarkRiver 27 December 2015 10: 16 New
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                        Quote: anew

                        Himself forced to do this constantly. And to explain elementary things to them.

                        You can’t explain a damn thing, you won’t even be able to explain to your grandmother with what fright the period of 15 years is “old years”
                        Quote: anew

                        No. It’s just that you don’t know.

                        What do not know, then? What is there to discuss? GDP grew 8 times. IMF and World Bank data. In terms of GDP growth rates, Russia among the major powers was second only to China and India, maybe still, among the CIS countries it was second only to Kazakhstan, but not by much and not in all years. According to the World Bank and the IMF, the Russian economy climbed 6th from 12th (PPP GDP). What does a great economist like you think about this?
                        Quote: anew

                        Because you always want to compare HZ with what decrepit years.

                        What is "not old years" for you? Will we compare with last year? Maybe right last month? That you are engaged in an obvious forgery citing statistics for the crisis period of the last 2 years. And the fact that before this decade has raised the economy at times is rubbish, let's forget about it, it's not interesting. Who cares that the gold and foreign exchange reserves rose from $ 10 billion to 550 billion, some rubbish, right? Reserves increased 55 times. So the floor for 15 years, finally nothing.
                        Quote: anew

                        And I’m not going to. And I advise you to study the meaning of the term "comparable conditions".

                        Just to blurt out a buzzword and comb into the fog)) Well, what? How does the methodology for calculating GDP in 2001 differ from 2015? Let's sparkle with intelligence.
                        Quote: anew

                        Yours no.

                        Voyascha - yes. For one simple reason. Auto - is not a basic purchase. Cars will not be bought by people who have nothing to eat. Therefore, if the number of cars grows, citizens' incomes exceed the coverage of their minimum needs.
                        Quote: anew

                        If interested, then the average Estonian "cost" 17060 euros (26th place). No comments. https://www.allianz.com/v_1339498662000/media/current/en/economic_research/image


                        It’s violet to me how much it costs according to the calculations of some Swiss office. We still need to understand their calculation methodology and who paid for all this research. I’m much more interested in what is changing in the country in recent years in dynamics. There you have the World Bank - “Over the past decade, Russia has experienced a significant reduction in poverty, which has allowed many to become part of the middle class. The poverty level calculated according to the World Bank’s methodology,
                        declined from about 40% of the total population in 2001 to 10% in 2010, and the middle class doubled in 10 years from 30% of the total population to more than 60%. "Kremlin propaganda, yes? http: // www. worldbank.org/content/dam/Worldbank/document/eca/russia/rer33-rus.pdf
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                    2. anew
                      anew 27 December 2015 11: 46 New
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                      I explain to you at the household level so that it is available to you.
                      GDP, this is at the household level your income. Not only salary, but in general, everything.
                      In addition to income, there are still expenses. As well as accumulated debts. Both state and issued under state guarantees. As well as debts of strategic enterprises issued without state guarantees, which in any case will be repaid by the state.
                      Therefore, the revenue figure alone does not mean much, there may be big expenses. More income. What does it mean to explain?
                      I gave you the links. There is a mood, sort it out. But without me.
                      In the meantime, study the table. In the table cells - surplus / budget deficit in billions of rubles. There is no deficit in the green zone, in the yellow zone the deficit can still be covered from the reserve fund, and in the red zone, the budget simply does not have the planned amount.
                      The table does not affect the international consolidated obligations of Russia.
                    3. DarkRiver
                      DarkRiver 27 December 2015 12: 07 New
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                      You didn’t move out of the household level)) Therefore, your efforts by an economist look touching)) The light is clear if GDP grew by 8 times, this does not mean that the well-being of citizens has grown proportionally, as if I had argued somewhere, but the impoverishment of the population by this background is definitely not necessary. Speaking of debts, the state debt of the Russian Federation declined by almost 10 times (in relation to GDP) for the same period, you have nothing to cover, continue to engage in forgeries, giving out statistics of the crisis period as an objective reality.

                      Where is the table? You forgot to attach the link. The budget of the Russian Federation was in surplus right up to the crisis, this is by the way about expenses, I don’t even need to go into statistics, I know that.
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                    7. anew
                      anew 27 December 2015 13: 41 New
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                      Quote: DarkRiver
                      Speaking of debts, the state debt of the Russian Federation decreased by almost 10 times (in relation to GDP) for the same period, you have nothing to cover

                      Why cover something that no one is interested in? Government debt, this is just part of the consolidated debt. 100 times already on this thread I wrote, I’ll not be the 101st time. Read the thread.
                      Quote: DarkRiver
                      The light is clear, if GDP has grown 8 times, this does not mean that the well-being of citizens has grown proportionally, as if I had argued somewhere, but we cannot speak of impoverishment of the population against this background.

                      Who told you that? Did you pick such a “regularity” with your finger in your nose? One does not depend much on the other, if costs are not taken into account.
                      Quote: DarkRiver
                      you have nothing to cover, continue to engage in forgeries, giving statistics of the crisis period as an objective reality.

                      And what's the difference, what is the period in the yard? Do you want to eat less during the “crisis period”?
                      By the way, for 4 years (from 2010 to 2013 inclusive), even before the so-called. According to Allianz, the average Russian has fallen in price by 10,0% in euros and 6,5% in dollars.
                      If you do not like these numbers, all claims are in Allianz. Check with them what and how they think. And publicly refute if something is wrong.
                      Quote: DarkRiver
                      Where is the table?

                      Get it. There is a link below.
                      Quote: DarkRiver
                      The budget of the Russian Federation was in surplus right up to the crisis, this is by the way about expenses, I do not even need to go into statistics, I know that.

                      Yeah A self-taught economist, this is even cleaner than the locksmith-intellectual V. Polesov.
                    8. DarkRiver
                      DarkRiver 27 December 2015 14: 53 New
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                      Wow, you paraffin. Did you watch your tablet yourself? The leftmost line, attention to the screen - with an oil price of $ 70 - a deficit of -0,6. What was the price of oil until 2014? Over $ 100 !! Mdyaa, continue to do better with plumbing, it’s true.


                      Quote: anew

                      Why cover something that no one is interested in? Government debt, this is just part of the consolidated debt. 100 times already on this thread I wrote, I’ll not be the 101st time. Read the thread.


                      And what are you interested in, in addition to the vyser of some Swiss office, with the terminology a la "how much is a Russian." I’m sure you didn’t even understand the technique, copy and paste the stupid numbers here.

                      The national debt cited as an example how the state of affairs of the Russian Federation with debts, the same situation with consolidated debt over the same period that it changes something in general.

                      Quote: anew

                      Who told you that? Did you pick such a “regularity” with your finger in your nose? One does not depend much on the other, if costs are not taken into account.


                      Lost the conversation thread?)) It happens. Without GDP growth, the Russian Federation simply would not have funds for federal programs, medicine, rearmament, space, etc. This is also an expense, but where can I get the money if GDP is not growing? That's it.

                      Quote: anew

                      And what's the difference, what is the period in the yard? Do you want to eat less during the “crisis period”?

                      The difference is significant. I want to know why I "eat less." Firstly, the production crisis is now worldwide, and secondly, because of this crisis, oil prices have fallen, and thirdly, sanctions. The development of a single economy did not do without crises, it is important that the reasons are now obvious.


                      Quote: anew

                      By the way, for 4 years (from 2010 to 2013 inclusive), even before the so-called. According to Allianz, the average Russian has fallen in price by 10,0% in euros and 6,5% in dollars.
                      If you do not like these numbers, all claims are in Allianz. Check with them what and how they think. And publicly refute if something is wrong.

                      That I beg you. Who are this Alliance? What do they think? Is it an IMF or World Bank organization? Who are they interested in? Research customers? I cited World Bank data on the welfare of Russians; all other data are marginal.
                    9. anew
                      anew 27 December 2015 15: 30 New
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                      Quote: DarkRiver
                      Wow, you paraffin. Did you watch your tablet yourself? The leftmost line, attention to the screen - with an oil price of $ 70 - a deficit of -0,6. What was the price of oil until 2014? Over $ 100 !!

                      PPC. I'm tired of you. You can't even read the tablet normally. Go somewhere to the economics department. And after 5 years, please contact, we will discuss something economic.
                      In the meantime, I'm sorry, I put you on the black list. No more strength to read your comments for the economy. After 5 years I’ll unblock it.
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  • cap
    cap 26 December 2015 21: 06 New
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    Quote: anew
    Quote: DarkRiver
    Ohh, we don’t have technologies, Russian Helicopters is the leader in the export of helicopters in the world, 80 rocket engines in the USA were sold only under the last contract, and even AvtoVAZ, unbelievably, has made quite suitable cars for the last 5 years.

    Do you own shares of Russian Helicopters? Plant them. Khrunicheva? Do you own AvtoVAZ? Why are you so excited?
    According to Credit Suisse for 2014. welfare in terms of personal finances of people over 20 years of age decreased by 40,1%.
    According to Allianz for 2014. accumulated wealth in terms of 1 person. decreased by 50,1%.
    Here it is it's important. And very disturbing. And about the "Russian Helicopters" and AvtoVAZ just interesting.

    I agree helicopters are needed. Without a doubt, you need to feed passengers in flight. It’s not very happy to fly on an empty stomach. Or everyone who’s on a hump, loafers like pensioners, all kinds of disabled people, students have to go somewhere. Statistics is an insidious woman. I don’t I believe.
  • Grenader
    Grenader 26 December 2015 20: 05 New
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    Quote: DarkRiver
    Stop carrying garbage sorry before prophesying to us "there is no way out"

    No one says there is no way out. Sometimes it got worse and worse, but I would like with less loss. Yes, and movement towards this very exit is not yet noticeable. Maybe the process is already underway. But while the people are getting poorer, the Chubais are insolent and there is very little positive information.
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      DarkRiver 26 December 2015 20: 36 New
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      Yes, I point-blank I do not see that the people are getting poorer. My friends and I are from the usual proletarian layer, not from Moscow, and no one, no one is starving, no one is begging, some are building houses, they are buying cars, only the lazy did not go to Turkey to relax, we all live in a damn place.
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      Denis56rus 26 December 2015 20: 51 New
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      [quote = Grenader] [quote = DarkRiver] Stop carrying garbage sorry before predicting us "no way out" [/ quote]
      No one says there is no way out. Sometimes it got worse and worse, but I would like with less loss. Yes, and movement towards this very exit is not yet noticeable. Maybe the process is already underway. But while the people are getting poorer, the Chubais are becoming impudent and there is very little positive information. [/ Qu Made in Russia, read to help you
  • WINovikov
    WINovikov 26 December 2015 20: 37 New
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    Brains in the head! And the government’s brains are crushed by what they are sitting on and the chair. Hence the results of the reign. And the statistics .... oh, how the law - where you turn.
  • tolian
    tolian 26 December 2015 21: 54 New
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    Mr. Grenadier, And you are a writer. Reading is more useful for you. Write boring.
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  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 26 December 2015 10: 52 New
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    Quote: Infinity
    Otherwise, ours can’t get on the market, and at the same time endure competition!

    Well, suppose we have counter-sanctions only with the agricultural sector. And the biggest fellow counter-sanction is the free exchange rate of the ruble.
    As for the need to increase industrial production, that's right, we need not 16% of GDP, but taking into account that the raw materials sector will always be significant, at least 40-50%.
    But counting on foreign markets is naive. And purely technically it’s hard to win the competition from the world engineering giants, and simply they won’t be able to win much. Other things will be blamed for dumping ...
    K does not believe he can handle the Volkswagen concern. wink
    And there is no hope for the WTO. Do US and EU sanctions comply with WTO rules? Or a third energy package?
    Therefore, the most reliable thing is the domestic market.
    Over measures of currency regulation, phytosanitary control, tax legislation reasonably close country, avoiding isolation and curtains.
  • atalef
    atalef 26 December 2015 11: 03 New
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    Quote: Infinity
    What is pumping oil ... There are forces for which a low price is very unprofitable (and in the USA too)

    And there are forces - which are beneficial
    Quote: Infinity
    And in order to get off the "oil needle" it is necessary to develop production.

    Bravo - Captain Evidence hi
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      Asadullah 26 December 2015 11: 34 New
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      And there are forces - which are beneficial


      How to say. Most likely these forces are concentrated in China. Previously, a huge mass of greens spun in oil circulation, guess where it went today, and how much time remains to hide this “dark mass” of the dollar?

      I always carefully listen to the words of politicians of small countries, after meeting with American leaders, I remember at the dawn of the fall in oil prices, one of them, after returning from Washington, said that it’s better to shoot yourself in the leg today, so as not to get a bullet in forehead tomorrow. I understood right away that they would step up a policy of containing Russia. Then there was no Ukraine. Today the situation is such that it is impossible to balance the hydrocarbon market with administrative measures. The cart was lowered from the mountain, and the suicide could not stop it either. The public asks with mournful faces, turning to the masses-entertainers, why the hell did you do that? These are the moods in the business world today.
  • Atrix
    Atrix 26 December 2015 12: 09 New
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    And where are those who talked about thousands of large plants, about the fact that Russia has hundreds of oil refineries, that there is no dependence on oil and gas ??? Then the reasonable question is where did all those billions go from the sale of oil and gas, I understand if there were at least 50% of the processing industry, but not 16%.
    Again they will start talking about the fifth column and the EU and the USA are to blame for everything
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      Asadullah 26 December 2015 15: 07 New
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      Again they will start talking about the fifth column and the EU and the USA are to blame for everything


      The fact is that each economy, each country, is different. Even to take the countries of the West, they all have their own specifics. Take for example Norway and Sweden. All Norwegian oil is refined in Sweden, and Norway’s capital is deposited in Sweden in the same mass, although Norway is a large resource country. Countries with well-developed industry are primarily distinguished by their kind of socialist capitalism. There are very few rich people. Strange, isn't it? But this is a phenomenon of the credit economy. The catalyst for industry is credit. It becomes the main law of the physical existence of the country. Production-consumption. The higher the degree of this proportion, the more development the country is considered, but here are the gaps in it, loans have moved into the field of consumption, warming up this proportion, or if you like, a function. And it's time to compare the specific wealth of the European family of the 30th year of the 20th century and today. The baker’s family owned a home, small business and some savings corresponding to 30-50% of the value of the family’s assets. It was considered a wealthy family. What do we see today? Around the same baker, with the same house, has nothing. Everything has been taken from him on credit. Moreover, in Europe and in the USA (to a lesser extent) the inherited property of the middle and even higher class has disappeared. Heirs because of debts do not claim the inheritance.

      As for Russia, a model of the credit economy was superimposed on the socialist template. In such an economy, there are no concepts of industrialization and internal interests of the country. These concepts are impermissible luxury for banks. The credit system spurred consumption, the material for which was exchanged for raw materials. These billions of billions have simply eaten. Consumed. And of course, the fault of the EU and the USA is that they infected Russia with such a sexually transmitted disease. For consumption, the country used its resource, because it simply and completely meets the requirements of banks (including Russian ones). Commodity production occurs when there is no resource, an example of China. Or when the country is put in a difficult position by external factors. So for Russia it is a cure. She is in a bind and the only thing is to develop her production.
      1. Atrix
        Atrix 26 December 2015 15: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: Asadullah
        Lots of text.

        From everything, I realized that the USA and the EU were to blame again, that Russia wanted to live like them. That now the Russians do not want to live in a communal apartment and save for 30-40 years apartments, but they take a mortgage. They do not want to save up for a car for 10 years and take it on credit.
        You know there is nothing wrong with a loan if there is a stable situation in the economy, when there is a stable job. Of course, in countries such as Ukraine-Russia, taking a loan is an ulcer, in a stable Norway it is completely different.
        1. Asadullah
          Asadullah 26 December 2015 17: 09 New
          0
          in stable Norway this is completely different.


          In stable Norway, you have a chance to send a lender to hell and in five years to start life from scratch. But the fact is that this phenomenon is beginning to take on the character of a bad habit. As for property for oneself, the first, credit destroys the value of things. Housing is no longer a sacred factor for life. A parental home becomes just a possible burden that it would be nice to get rid of. And here it’s not chips, but the whole forest you are turning into chips by the culture of consumption. The value of peace becomes only the price of credit. Something is missing? The moneylender is right there. Only you forget that you pay first of all with your freedom.

          Dogs: About a lot of textThe label on the beer bottle is much shorter, but you realize the full meaning of the text in about twenty years from the endocrinologist in the office.
          1. Atrix
            Atrix 26 December 2015 17: 19 New
            +2
            Quote: Asadullah
            Dogs: As for a lot of text, the label on the bottle of beer is much shorter, but you realize the full meaning of the text in about twenty years from the endocrinologist in the office.

            I wrote "A lot of text" not in an insult, but I didn’t want to highlight everything so as not to create a load of text.
      2. atalef
        atalef 26 December 2015 16: 09 New
        +2
        Quote: Asadullah
        The baker’s family owned a home, small business and some savings corresponding to 30-50% of the value of the family’s assets. It was considered a wealthy family. What do we see today? Around the same baker, with the same house, has nothing. Everything has been taken from him on credit.

        Asadullah, why did you decide that he had nothing, I’m not talking about the last house of the baker (maybe the father of the present), but to say that everyone lives on credit is not entirely correct, or rather not at all correct.
        The younger generation lives on credit (as a rule, the mortgage is 0 older, it has already been paid off (I consciously lower the layer - which does not know at all what it is because it inherited)
        Tell me, where did the values ​​accumulated by previous generations go? Why a baker 100 years ago received a house (which he owned) - it seems like free. And it seems to me that he bought it the same way and saved money for it or took a loan.
        I will take my department, which I started working 23 years ago. The bulk were like me or a little older. Everyone took mortgages.
        Now everything has been paid off for a long time and 80% of employees do not live on credit.
        There are of course those who took out a loan for cars (but this is usually not to get money from deposits)
        Well, I don’t have loans, in general and for a long time, and there are a lot of people like me, I have relatives both in Israel, and in the United States, Canada, Hong Kong - I do not speak for everyone. but the people of my generation - without loans - the young begin the same path as us --- that's okay

        Quote: Asadullah
        Moreover, in Europe and in the USA (to a lesser extent), inherited property of the middle and even higher class disappeared

        C'mon, you
        1. Asadullah
          Asadullah 26 December 2015 16: 55 New
          0
          Well, I don’t have loans, in general and for a long time, and there are a lot of people like me, I have relatives both in Israel, and in the United States, Canada, Hong Kong - I do not speak for everyone . but the people of my generation - without loans - the young begin the same path as us --- that's okay


          So I'm not talking about particulars. Let's just say that my statements are secondary to the subject work. wink There are different people, there are successful examples, there are not successful ones. But every year, the number of unsuccessful is growing. Moreover, there are considerations in some way confirming my fears, I think with the retirement, if this happens, I can draw it up more representatively.

          That is, the role of credit is definitely important, but there is no global control mechanism. Moreover, most likely, some people have such a mechanism as fingers in the doorway. Pinched. As for the older generation, the younger, I take off my hat to the Jews, they have no problem, again, with the exception of particulars. In any case, today my neighbors went to the synagogue, father and son. The son is almost an atheist, to say the least, but I am sure, after twenty years, he will lead his lad there in the same way. Who, and you will understand me. The problem of loans is not worth many other nationalities living in a community with common cultural values, where issues of morality and ethics are not questions. And submission to the elder is in the nature of a knowledge-hungry student and an experienced wise teacher. In the world community, such islands are not the rule, but the exception.

          And inherited property really shrinks like shagreen leather. The first place is occupied by Finland. Norway, Sweden, Germany, Denmark and Belgium, a very small gap from each other. France and Britain are somewhat apart, because there are a lot of aristocratic families and clans, where information on this subject is completely closed. Don't take the word have disappeared literally. I am looking for a trend and find. Which may well change, in a segment say in thirty years. Therefore, unfortunately, we are looking for answers to our questions in the past.
          1. atalef
            atalef 26 December 2015 17: 31 New
            +2
            Quote: Asadullah
            That is, the role of credit is definitely important, but there is no global control mechanism.

            Yes, this is a problem, as well as the possibility of exercising control - the conscience of the best controller here does not work.
            Quote: Asadullah
            And inherited property really shrinks like shagreen leather. The first place is occupied by Finland. Norway, Sweden, Germany, Denmark and Belgium, a very small gap from each other.

            I think the problem is that all these countries entered on the one hand in the era of super-abundance, on the other hand, the succession institutions began to collapse, that is, young people want everything at once.
            The problem, on the one hand, is accessibility and aggressive marketing methods. on the other hand, reducing the influence of parents - why?
            The breakdown of ages and the technological revolution.
            Parents often simply are not able to resist the pressure of children who do not want to achieve everything in stages.
            As a result, the houses of the parents are laid down for children's projects, and the children do not want to work, they want everything and everything.
            As a result, the children on the move, parents' apartments are owned by banks - God forbid, parents have already died by this time.
            Quote: Asadullah
            I am looking for a trend and find. Which may well change, in a segment say in thirty years. Therefore, unfortunately, we are looking for answers to our questions in the past.

            Interestingly, your opinion on this matter.
            Best regards hi
        2. anew
          anew 26 December 2015 17: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          in Israel, and in the States, Canada, Hong Kong - I do not speak for everyone. but the people of my generation - without loans - the young begin the same path as us --- that's okay

          Nothing wrong. If you still write the percentage at which they take loans. Not everywhere he is, this percentage. There are places where taking loans is still scary.
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  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 26 December 2015 16: 12 New
    +1
    Russia needs not only to increase the manufacturing industry.
    We have machines in the country at 70-80% - imported.
    Therefore, it is urgent to restore the machine tool industry, as well as instrument making and electronics.
    A ruble invested in the extraction of raw materials pays off only after 12 years,
    in engineering, after 5-6 years, and in the electronics industry after 3 years.
    Therefore, Russia to Germany and other developed countries, as to the moon!
    But Russia in terms of retail space is ahead of the rest, and they sell mainly foreign goods and Chinese consumer goods.
    Civil aircraft and shipbuilding as well as light industry
    ordered to live long.
    But Putin is pleased with the work of the government.
    The question arises: Are we satisfied and how long will this continue ?!
    1. Atrix
      Atrix 26 December 2015 16: 18 New
      0
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      Therefore, it is urgent to restore the machine tool industry, as well as instrument making and electronics.

      So who's stopping here is the main Question ???
      In Ukraine, there are always “guards” shouting there, but who was stopping here?
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 26 December 2015 16: 17 New
    +2
    The oil price boom brought the Russian Federation a crazy 3 trillion dollars in additional income!
    Where did these crazy incomes go? What did they go for?
    If Joseph Vissarionovich had such a lot of money, then Hitler would not even have dreamed of attacking the USSR in a nightmare!
    1. anew
      anew 26 December 2015 16: 42 New
      -1
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      If Joseph Vissarionovich had such a lot of money, then Hitler would not even have dreamed of attacking the USSR in a nightmare!

      Of course. Indeed, in this case, from the beginning of the 30s there would have been no longer he who worked, but someone E. Telman. Which "would build socialism there." And on these same "Soviet denzhischi". And fellow citizens would traditionally get ears from a dead donkey.
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  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 26 December 2015 16: 24 New
    +2
    The Russian economic model has always been built on two premises: 1) gas and oil are universal consumer goods, the demand for which will always be; 2) since consumption will always be, then the dynamics of prices will be positive.
    Today's problems are explained by the fact that oil no longer gives the expected result. Of course, Russia has some reserves, but they tend to quickly end. The experience of 2009 shows that all of the multibillion-dollar accumulations that the Russian Federation had were spent almost in full on fighting the crisis and restoring the economy.
    Difficult times have already come for Russia. Separate nervous body movements of the leadership indicate that they do not have a clear understanding of how these processes will develop. Further economic difficulties in the Russian Federation are only a matter of time.
    Of course, I don’t think that tomorrow we will get some kind of collapsed country, but practice shows: the deeper we sink during the period of economic difficulties, the more difficult it is to leave this period and restore what was. Only those countries that carry out reforms, stimulate economic growth, can realize the diversification of their economies, and also supply goods with a high level of added value, high-tech goods, etc., win global competition.
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  • Nikolay K
    Nikolay K 26 December 2015 18: 47 New
    -3
    "Soon, the United States may enter the world market with large volumes of black gold. Washington lifts its old ban on the export of American oil. The corresponding document was signed by Barack Obama."

    The author does not know that the United States is the world's largest oil importer, and does not understand that they will not buy less oil because the ban on exports is lifted? If a certain amount of oil is exported, for example, from the east coast of the United States, then exactly such an amount of oil will have to be purchased additionally in the west of the country. The United States will only save a little on logistics costs wherever possible.
    1. anew
      anew 26 December 2015 19: 04 New
      +3
      Quote: Nikolai K
      The author does not know that the United States is the world's largest oil importer, and does not understand that they will not buy less oil because the ban on exports is lifted?

      And Nikolai K does not know that the United States is going to export its light oil. Analog Brent. And they import not Brent at all. Thus, there will be more light oil and, in theory, its price may fall. All other brands of oil are tied to Brent with ratios. And if Brent falls in price, then other brands will fall in price.
      And the volume of import / export here does not matter, because varieties are different.
      Well, something like this.
      1. Nikolay K
        Nikolay K 26 December 2015 19: 49 New
        -1
        Do you know that the main WTI oil produced and traded in the USA is significantly lighter than Brent? And that this variety and NOW is actively traded on the stock exchange and after the opening of US oil exports, the WTI brand will not suddenly turn into Brent brand oil.
        1. anew
          anew 26 December 2015 20: 11 New
          0
          Quote: Nikolai K
          Do you know that the main WTI oil produced and traded in the USA is significantly lighter than Brent?

          I do not know. But I know that ultralight oil is shale oil. And WTI, this is just light oil, the American analogue of Brent. Because Since the United States imports medium and heavy oil, it will export these varieties that they do not need. Those. light and ultralight.
          Quote: Nikolai K
          And that this variety and NOW is actively traded on the stock exchange

          Traded, but without the right to export outside the United States. Those. for the US domestic market. Now it will be traded with the right to export.
          Quote: Nikolai K
          WTI brand oil will not suddenly turn into Brent brand oil

          Will not turn. Because It’s approximately the analog of Brent from the very beginning.
          1. Nikolay K
            Nikolay K 26 December 2015 21: 17 New
            -2
            "Because the US imports medium and heavy oil"
            For your information, the main supplier of oil to the United States is the Gulf countries, and they supply light oil, which costs less than Brenta.

            Now turn on the logic. USA produces WTI brand oil. With the opening of the market, the United States will begin to export part of this oil, replacing it with varieties of other brands, including Brent. Those. this event will lead to an increase in demand for Brent crude oil. What happens to prices when demand begins to rise? I hope you’ll come up with it yourself.
            1. anew
              anew 26 December 2015 22: 42 New
              +1
              Quote: Nikolai K
              For your information, the main supplier of oil to the United States is the Gulf countries, and they supply light oil, which costs less than Brenta.

              You are mistaken. See the picture.
              Quote: Nikolai K
              Now turn on the logic.

              I will try. Not sure what will happen.
              Quote: Nikolai K
              replacing it with varieties of other brands, including Brent

              What the hell? They decided to sell their WTI, as unnecessary Nafig they will buy its counterpart?
              Quote: Nikolai K
              I hope you’ll come up with it yourself.

              I hope you understand what is written in my message: Today, 19:04
              1. Nikolay K
                Nikolay K 27 December 2015 01: 17 New
                -2
                Quote: Nikolai K
                replacing it with varieties of other brands, including Brent
                What the hell? They decided to sell their WTI, for the uselessness of Nafig they will buy its analogue.
                Once again, the United States is the largest net importer of oil. According to the law of conservation of matter, if they export their oil somewhere, they will additionally have to import the same amount of oil elsewhere. If you do not understand, I am not to blame.
                1. anew
                  anew 27 December 2015 01: 33 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Nikolai K
                  According to the law of conservation of matter, if they export their oil somewhere, they will additionally have to import the same amount of oil elsewhere. If you do not understand, I am not to blame.

                  You are extremely not susceptible to the information that they are trying to bring to you. You can’t understand in any way that oil of different density is a different product. And there is no and cannot be any “conservation of matter” for different products. You still count heavy oil in oranges. Is funny That's about the kind of ridiculous thing you do when you convert heavy oil to light.
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          2. Nikolay K
            Nikolay K 26 December 2015 21: 17 New
            -2
            "Because the US imports medium and heavy oil"
            For your information, the main supplier of oil to the United States is the Gulf countries, and they supply light oil, which costs less than Brenta.

            Now turn on the logic. USA produces WTI brand oil. With the opening of the market, the United States will begin to export part of this oil, replacing it with varieties of other brands, including Brent. Those. this event will lead to an increase in demand for Brent crude oil. What happens to prices when demand begins to rise? I hope you’ll come up with it yourself.
  • gelezo47
    gelezo47 26 December 2015 10: 20 New
    +7
    Oil is oil, and industry in the country needs to be restored ... yes
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 26 December 2015 10: 37 New
      0
      Quote: gelezo47
      Oil is oil, and industry in the country needs to be restored ... yes

      No one argues. It’s only in the article that the structure of the Russian “manufacturing industry occupies only 16%. For comparison, the manufacturing industry in Germany provides 84% ​​of GDP." However, for the full picture, let's give an example of the richest country - the United States. In the local GDP, the share of manufacturing is only 11%! And they feel nothing like that.
      1. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 26 December 2015 13: 40 New
        -1
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Quote: gelezo47
        Oil is oil, and industry in the country needs to be restored ... yes

        No one argues. It’s only in the article that the structure of the Russian “manufacturing industry occupies only 16%. For comparison, the manufacturing industry in Germany provides 84% ​​of GDP." However, for the full picture, let's give an example of the richest country - the United States. In the local GDP, the share of manufacturing is only 11%! And they feel nothing like that.

        Still would. The USA, in general, you can not produce anything, the world will feed them perfectly, put them on, put on shoes and let them bomb at least half the world, well, certain countries are exactly.
        And we need to support ourselves, and even other countries.
        1. anew
          anew 26 December 2015 13: 49 New
          +2
          Quote: olimpiada15
          And we need to support ourselves, and even other countries.

          What's again? Who else this time? Or maybe they shouldn't?
          1. olimpiada15
            olimpiada15 26 December 2015 17: 55 New
            -1
            And how much Russian money has been invested in the US economy?
            Do we invest in their securities at 1% or 2%? How many years does the Russian Federation place its funds in the USA?
            Does the US use this money?
            Does our Russian money work for the US economy?
            Does our business need loans?
            And who of Russian businessmen would refuse a loan of 2% and would prefer 25 ??
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        3. atalef
          atalef 26 December 2015 14: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: olimpiada15
          Still would. The USA, in general, you can not produce anything, the world will feed them perfectly, put them on, put on shoes.

          In honor of what?

          Quote: olimpiada15
          And we need to support ourselves, and even other countries

          and America does not need?
          1. olimpiada15
            olimpiada15 26 December 2015 18: 08 New
            0
            The United States annually increases its national debt by a couple of trillion, with an external debt of 18 trillion this year. $. Don't states live off other countries? Is this a sign that they contain themselves?
            How will they repay accumulated debts? To pay with oil, their goods, and maybe close a hundred military bases, because no funds for their maintenance?
            No, most likely, there will be some kind of manipulation with finances, as a result of which the economy of other countries will suffer. Again, wars strengthened the US economy. Various options are possible.
            But the dollar bubble is not destined to burst, in my opinion.
      2. Altona
        Altona 26 December 2015 13: 40 New
        -2
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        No one argues. It’s only in the article that the structure of the Russian “manufacturing industry occupies only 16%. For comparison, the manufacturing industry in Germany provides 84% ​​of GDP."

        ----------------------------
        Russia does not have a large external debt like Germany, therefore, not everything is so critical that it would panic with “all of us”. For the restoration of industry, personnel are needed, not just iron. You can even buy hardware under sanctions; there is nothing so critical about this. The Medvedev government is impotent absolutely. Hasselblad is easier to click than to organize work.
        1. Atrix
          Atrix 26 December 2015 13: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: Altona
          Russia does not have a large external debt like Germany

          Yes, that you all settled with your external debt, all countries live with external debt and no one died. And you are all about external debts. Russia also does not have such an industry as in Germany, is this also not critical in your opinion ???

          Quote: Altona
          Personnel needed to rebuild industry

          And who interfered with raising personnel for 15 years ???
          Quote: Altona
          Medvedev’s government is absolutely impotent

          Who's stopping you from getting rid of this government ???
          1. saber
            saber 26 December 2015 14: 22 New
            0
            Quote: Atrix
            Yes, that you all settled with your external debt, all countries live with external debt and no one died. And you are all about external debts. Russia also does not have such an industry as in Germany, is this also not critical in your opinion ???

            As for uncritically, we can recall Argentina, for example. Ukraine would have been torn apart in a different situation by “a thousand little cubs”. Why not in Germany? I can remind the story of the "sale" to GAZ "Opel" in the CRISIS. everyone got on their ears, like this, Russia will receive modern automotive technology.
            1. Atrix
              Atrix 26 December 2015 15: 47 New
              0
              Quote: Saber
              As for uncritically, we can recall Argentina, for example

              So what I’m talking about. The state debt is not so much important as the ability to pay it, and the ability to pay it depends on the country's industry or how Russia did with the debt that it paid with oil and gas dollars. Take the same USA, for all the apparent amount of debt, the service bill is much smaller than when it was equal to 60% of GDP (I don’t remember a year, like 1980's)
              Quote: Saber
              Why not in Germany?

              Yes, because one of the most advanced industrial countries in the world and able to service its public debt.
          2. alone
            alone 26 December 2015 15: 49 New
            +5
            Quote: Atrix
            Who's stopping you from getting rid of this government ???


            Obama)))) wassat
          3. Altona
            Altona 26 December 2015 15: 50 New
            +1
            Quote: Atrix
            Yes, that you all settled with your external debt, all countries live with external debt and no one died. And you are all about external debts. Russia also does not have such an industry as in Germany, is this also not critical in your opinion ???

            -------------------------
            What did you do with your sanctions? Especially on external credit. But we are paying.
            Quote: Atrix
            And who interfered with raising personnel for 15 years ???

            -------------------
            So all the same persons who are still in the Government. Minus Kudrin. But he could stay, just put on the wrong ones.

            Quote: Atrix
            Who's stopping you from getting rid of this government ???

            --------------------------
            How? I do not solve the consensus above. You also do not solve the problem of Obama and the neoconservatives.
            1. Atrix
              Atrix 26 December 2015 16: 06 New
              0
              Quote: Altona
              What did you do with your sanctions?

              I did not say anything about sanctions wink
              If you are talking about the sanctions that you were against Russia, and that there was no reason to drive ??? Although I do not support this.
              Quote: Altona
              How? I do not solve the consensus above.

              But you after all vote for Putin, by you I mean the Russian people who in the person of the state choose the previous course in the person of Putin. Just let's not discuss the pros and cons of Putin.
              Quote: Altona
              You also do not solve the problem of Obama and the neoconservatives.

              I do not see Obama’s problem, what America does with foreign policy is of little concern to ordinary Americans. They are primarily interested in jobs, wages and stability within the country and the country's development. And with that, everything is fine in America. Yes, and Obama will leave soon, but your leader ???
        2. anew
          anew 26 December 2015 14: 00 New
          0
          Quote: Altona
          Russia does not have a large external debt

          This "song" is akin to the song "and we have 13% income." Those. both songs are as funny as Shirvindt’s comic couplets.
          In fact, it is not government debt that matters, but consolidated debt. And, besides this, the possibility of its restructuring matters. Russia was deprived of such an opportunity (the very sanctions, which seem to care). And consolidated debt is great. Draw your own conclusions.
          Quote: Altona
          You can even buy hardware under sanctions; there is nothing so critical about this.

          Critical of this is that for this it is necessary to have "shisha" who are not there. And nowhere to borrow.
          1. Altona
            Altona 26 December 2015 15: 56 New
            0
            Quote: anew
            Critical of this is that for this it is necessary to have "shisha" who are not there. And nowhere to borrow.

            ---------------------
            Yes, there is where to get these shisha, do not worry. If you step on someone upstairs on the suction hose. What for us Christmas trees for 8 million rubles? These are three quarters or a CNC machine. And you know how many such expenses? Is it necessary to carry an ass in a Toyota Prado with a leather interior? With this money, you can open a small computer company. How many hidden lawyers are there in the Medvedev Government.
            1. anew
              anew 26 December 2015 17: 53 New
              +1
              Quote: Altona
              Yes, there is where to get these shisha, do not worry.

              Yes? Do not tell me where?
              Quote: Altona
              What for us Christmas trees for 8 million rubles?

              Quote: Altona
              Is it necessary to carry an ass in a Toyota Prado with a leather interior?

              Quote: Altona
              If you step on someone upstairs on the suction hose.

              Clear. Do not tell me. Always like this.
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  • Same lech
    Same lech 26 December 2015 10: 22 New
    +8
    And we clutch for the head, understanding, that the money received "on a sphere", comes to an end. The cost of oil is only 8 dollars per barrel, a reasonable price in the market should be 20 dollars, and everything else is wound up using futures trading.


    At NVO for many years they talked about this imbalance ...

    it is impossible to build an economy on speculation ... in KREMLIN at that time they played their stupid games.
    And now thunder has struck, and what do you want to do ... it’s too late to tear our hair and get baptized ... The GDP calms us at our conferences, and things and (CHUBAIS) are there .... I don’t know what to say and I don’t see any serious progress towards modernization of the economy, we have a speculative economy as it was and remains.
  • Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 26 December 2015 10: 22 New
    0
    What is the dynamics of manufacturing and mining in the country's GDP over the past 8 years?
    Maybe not everything is lost?
    Maybe there is a chance?
    1. Makk
      Makk 26 December 2015 10: 35 New
      +6
      What is the dynamics of manufacturing and mining in the country's GDP over the past 8 years?
      Maybe not everything is lost?
      Maybe there is a chance?

      Have you been with us?
      1. Dmitry 2246
        Dmitry 2246 26 December 2015 10: 40 New
        +3
        I am fine. I am a wealthy disabled person of war.
        I'm joking about an article.
    2. Same lech
      Same lech 26 December 2015 10: 35 New
      +2
      smile Maybe there is ...


      Chance -
      He does not pay, not advance,
      It only drops once
      Fortune knocks on the door, but you are not at home.
      Chance -
      It's so easy to miss
      But it is easier to bite the elbow,
      What a new chance to get.
  • sober
    sober 26 December 2015 10: 23 New
    12
    Yes, no matter how much it costs, gasoline will continue to grow. And from there, delivery, production and products !!!!!!!! It’s necessary to stick your own on the head (or in the head), what would they think. And then hell knows how much Russian can endure when they do not lurking CURVES before our eyes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. Felix2
      Felix2 26 December 2015 10: 32 New
      0
      Our gasoline fell in price from falling oil prices, it was $ 3,40 a gallon a year ago, now $ 1,95 has fallen even to $ 1,80 a gallon.
      In general, the latest oil price forecasts are $ 16 per barrel, Canada is already trading below $ 25.
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 26 December 2015 10: 53 New
        +6
        Our gas prices fell due to falling oil prices
        After reading these words, I almost starred from my chair. belay Well, further reading, everything in my brain settled down. You, my friend, next time start similar messages with the words "We have in the USA ...".
        Sincerely. smile
        1. Felix2
          Felix2 26 December 2015 10: 57 New
          -1
          Well, yes, here in the USA, in Russia for rubles.
          1. ASK505
            ASK505 26 December 2015 11: 25 New
            +2
            That's right. In your USA, but in Russia for rubles.
  • Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 26 December 2015 10: 25 New
    +3
    It’s strange. Such large oil exporters as Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Norway, Kazakhstan, etc. should generally go around the world ...
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 26 December 2015 10: 27 New
    -7
    The government is not engaged in industry - because it is not in its jurisdiction, it only passes laws, and it is already a private business or business with state cooperation to open production.
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 26 December 2015 10: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: Vadim237
      The government is not engaged in industry -

      Rather, it does nothing at all .. sometimes it seems that just a television picture is nothing more, if not for stupid statements and innovations like Plato ...
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 26 December 2015 10: 56 New
        +2
        Yeah, or a demonstration of another iPhone DIM. Schyaz, it’s not true that he began to draw with him.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 26 December 2015 19: 56 New
        -1
        Plato will remain, and the transport tax will be canceled.
    2. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 26 December 2015 12: 18 New
      +1
      Vadim, sometimes it’s better to keep silent — the title will be higher:) - do you think the minister is set not to look after the industry but to pass laws? - but then there’s 2 more chambers of parasites and why do the ministers have names of sectors of intentionality (energy, cx, industry and trade)
      1. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 26 December 2015 14: 21 New
        +3
        Vadim wrote the truth. And there is nothing to minus him in vain.
        Ministers are not involved in the development of the industry; they are engaged in increasing profits by raising prices.
        In the report, profits increased, the ministry is praised, but due to something they are not interested.
        Last week, the initiative of power engineers was announced - to introduce a subscription fee for network maintenance, to increase the fee for the consumption of electric energy by more than 150 kW in one family.
        Justification laugh through tears. Savings: Power engineers do not know that most of the electricity consumption is occupied not by unlit bulbs, but by multiple devices in modern life. If you save, then the housing and communal services should provide t air and an uninterrupted supply of hot water of the standard temperature - this will be a saving, water heaters and heaters consume not so much as a light bulb. Effective managers do not seem to know this. As for the subscription fee is generally something. Have we had wireless electricity supply for 80 years? The established tariffs already take into account everything that was previously provided: generation, transmission, maintenance, installation of meters, payment control, work with defaulters, while the level of remuneration in the energy sector has always been by no means minimal. Now the tenants are already paying for the neighbors who have shown dishonesty, the supervisors are no longer needed. Who allowed? The one who, in an order, instead of obliging to install meters on the common property of the house, wrote that ONE is the difference between the total house consumption and the total of the meter readings. And the subscription fee in horticulture - there is not a meter of energy networks there, starting from the transformer, all networks are the property of gardeners, who are installed, maintained, maintained by them. But they will write an order and make people pay.
        This is one example. But not better in other industries. Just this example is clearer.
        But for all sectors, one trend
        Why introduce something, develop, improve, raise the pay minister, and you will be happy. Tears of the people do not count.
        1. olimpiada15
          olimpiada15 26 December 2015 16: 11 New
          0
          Indignant minus people.
          Under the comment of Vadim, not a single objection! And 8 cons!
          Express your opinion if you want to object. Argument. Defend your opinion.
          In a dispute, truth is born.
          Unreasonable cons are like an anonymous letter: there is a joke, but no signature. And it is still unknown how many minuses a minuscator will grab.
          1. Atrix
            Atrix 26 December 2015 16: 25 New
            +2
            I can comment. It depends on the government whether the factories will be opened or not. If at the opening 100 comes to you with an official checking it, if you open such conditions for opening, it is better not to open it. That government has nothing to do with it ??? If in other developed countries, the government travels and persuades and makes all conditions for the development of business in its country, the one in Russia has a feeling that the government is not interested in developing business as such. The government creates the conditions for the growth of business industry or the conditions for its winding up.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 26 December 2015 19: 55 New
              0
              It is even beneficial for local and regional officials to have factories and everything else open precisely at them, on the territory. It just does not depend on the government, it can support decisions but prohibit the construction of factories, if this is certainly not a dangerous production, especially if the factories are profitable - it cannot, private investment with state support is what opens factories, or even without state support.
          2. anew
            anew 26 December 2015 16: 26 New
            +2
            Quote: olimpiada15
            Indignant minus people.
            Under the comment of Vadim, not a single objection! And 8 cons!

            Many times, proposals have already been made to give the right to vote only after comment. But things are still there. Priority is given to anonymous jackals. They rule the ball on this site.
            1. olimpiada15
              olimpiada15 26 December 2015 19: 39 New
              -1
              anew
              Look, you wrote what has long been said on the site.
              And they got two minuses.
              Here at VO commentators, people with education, life experience, have something to say, there is something interesting to learn. And the disputes are also very informative, different points of view are stated that normal people see problems from different angles.
              It is clear when a discussion is going on, respectively, a sign is put to one or another commentator.
              Comments can be ignored - the rating will not grow.
              Are you not interested in certain commentators? Blacklist - you won’t see. This is also normal, because. there is a situation when a dispute can turn into an uninformative skirmish, this is superfluous.
              If there is nothing to object, there is nothing to minus.
              1. anew
                anew 26 December 2015 20: 18 New
                +4
                Quote: olimpiada15
                If there is nothing to argue, nothing to minus

                This should be crammed into the program. No comment, no rating. Otherwise, there will be what is.
                1. tilix
                  tilix 1 January 2016 22: 25 New
                  +1
                  And there will be comments like justifications or neopravdams, tady cho?
  • Olegater
    Olegater 26 December 2015 10: 28 New
    +6
    This is the result of the destruction of our industry with a fucking perestroika (die labeled). Now we would only chuckle at those who depend on oil sales, as they themselves did not sell resources (only auxiliary income), but manufactured goods with a high price. Plus, they also gained quality and this also plays a role in revenue. Don't we have smart people in our country? Do not invent anything? Do not know how to do it yourself? All this is nonsense, they simply do not allow us to unfold in full force. Who is bothering? And he who creates various bureaucratic obstacles to the development and promotion of finished industrial goods in domestic and world markets.
    1. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 26 December 2015 11: 24 New
      +9
      . Don't we have smart people in our country? Do not invent anything? Do not know how to do it yourself?

      We have everything! Besides the will of the authorities ... Two things are needed for the development of production -
      the first is those who want and know how to develop it,
      the second - opportunities for development - this is material means, that is, equipment, premises and very little money for materials.
      Well and the most important thing is not to interfere ... The main profit of the state this and next year will be fines, penalties, and recovery of bailiffs. The latter have already cheerfully reported an unprecedented increase in income from their actions to the treasury! So with the budget everything will be fine! Than to develop something, it’s easier to tighten punitive measures and raise energy tariffs, cut salaries to lower level employees request
  • pts-m
    pts-m 26 December 2015 10: 29 New
    +4
    the tops of all state corporations need to be circumcised, otherwise the treasury is already full and the chickens are not pecking money. soon, as the Yankees will throw their money capital into the market.
    1. Platonich
      Platonich 26 December 2015 10: 35 New
      +5
      So they are all circumcised for a long time. Many only have Russian surnames!
      1. Denis56rus
        Denis56rus 26 December 2015 21: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: Platonitch
        So they are all circumcised for a long time. Many only have Russian surnames!

        This is what you hit the point laughing
  • Rakti-kali
    Rakti-kali 26 December 2015 10: 29 New
    0
    In the structure of Russia's GDP, manufacturing occupies only 16%

    What the hell are you saying !?
    And now what?
    By the way, if you go to the website of the Ministry of Finance - http://info.minfin.ru/prom.php, you can see interesting things - the cost
    manufacturing products in the structure of shipped goods of own production exceeds the cost of minerals on average 2-3 times, depending on the month and year.
    1. Makk
      Makk 26 December 2015 10: 42 New
      0
      By the way, if you go to the website of the Ministry of Finance - http://info.minfin.ru/prom.php, you can see interesting things ...

      And these things are all the more interesting the less you understand them. Many Africans have enough snow to show.
  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 26 December 2015 10: 34 New
    +9
    In order to be like Germany, you need to either learn how to make a quality product and conquer markets not by the criterion of "price-quality", but by quality (wherever you spit, you get if not in a Mercedes with a Volkswagen, then in an Audi "), or redirect to the domestic market, crowding out foreign competitors from there either with the criterion of" price-quality "or by administrative methods (including using sanctions). To stop reforming the school according to Western standards, to nationalize natural resources, chasing away those who have been cashing in on them since the 90s of the last century ... To end fond of a Western idol, a priori considering itself lower in all areas. There was a lot of good in the Soviet system, you just need to reanimate it, despite the howls of the liberals. And a little improvement, so that in the current realities the state works and starts to produce, and not sell what it did not, but steal or “privatize”.
    Everyone understands this, but the power of a green piece of paper is seen to have a stronger effect on a person than a sober calculation and moral duties ...
    Sadly ... request
    1. barclay
      barclay 26 December 2015 11: 27 New
      +7
      And a little improvement, so that in the current realities the state works and starts to produce, and not sell what it did not, but steal or “privatize”.
      Sadly ...

      I completely agree with you. The country is accustomed to doing what is more profitable, simpler and faster. Everyone liked to trade, making money from the air in the spirit of the Gaidar reforms, when, to save the economy, everyone and everyone was allowed to trade.
      Experts are still arguing about what caused the collapse of the Russian economy in the early 1990s, the reforms of Gaidar and his supporters or the decades of ineffective Soviet rule preceding them.
      RIA News
      http://ria.ru/history_spravki/20101228/314456760.html#ixzz3vPNwUGmM

      For example, Abkhaz tangerines sell to Russia for 38-40 rubles. per kilogram. And in Moscow on the shelves of shops and agricultural markets, we see them at 130 rubles. per kilogram. Wrapping - more than 200%. This is how trade workers work. And people take and rejoice.
      Traders rule and feed officials in Russia.
      And so in everything. I never understood where the difference in prices for travel in public transport comes from. Why in Kostroma travel in a minibus costs 16 rubles, and in the suburbs 35 rubles? What, gas prices are different? No! Officials and traders have different appetites. (often referred to as market conditions)
      Yes, something needs to be done at the legislative level, and punish the grabber. To make it more profitable, rather than grabbing.
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  • Horst78
    Horst78 26 December 2015 10: 36 New
    +1
    "-" auto RU. Foreign exchange earnings from the sale of petroleum products already exceed revenues from the sale of oil. Gazpromneft, in particular, processes about 80% of its oil. And who is sitting on the pipe?
    1. Makk
      Makk 26 December 2015 10: 59 New
      +5
      Do we manufacture equipment for oil refining? (just not up to date)
      I work in mechanical engineering, the last time I saw a domestic mill 3 years ago (and even then with imported plates), I didn’t even hear about machines about 20 years. Therefore, it would be more correct to subtract the money spent on the purchase from the gross revenue (in order to see the real picture) imported equipment, components, tools.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 26 December 2015 20: 05 New
        0
        Well, if you have not seen them, this does not mean that they are not produced in Russia.
  • Olegater
    Olegater 26 December 2015 10: 38 New
    +4
    totally agree with Rurikovich since production is always higher in pricing than a natural resource. And take the basis from the Soviet system and rework it under the current realities.
  • Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 26 December 2015 10: 42 New
    +4
    It is necessary to work, and not to suffer from crap. Stick like dad Carlo. At 2 o'clock, I rode the subway on a weekday after duty — there are a lot of people.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 26 December 2015 10: 56 New
      +5
      Stick like dad Carlo ...


      You are a doctor, you "work hard" ... laughing


      To work somewhere, you need to train the working profession, build enterprises and determine wages in direct proportion to the labor contribution and the final product being created ...
      1. ASK505
        ASK505 26 December 2015 11: 31 New
        +5
        Quote: yuriy55
        To work somewhere, you need to train a working profession, build enterprises and


        If in plain text, then without 2 Industrialization on a new digital base there is no way forward from this impasse to independence. Hence, Putin will have to sooner or later step on the tail of the oligarchy and make ambiguous decisions in the economy.
      2. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 26 December 2015 13: 24 New
        -4
        Well, yes, you train us, then arrange for a job and pay accordingly .... to hell there, those days have passed. They wanted capitalism - here you are. Each for himself.
        1. atalef
          atalef 26 December 2015 14: 41 New
          0
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          Well, yes, you train us, then arrange for a job and pay accordingly .... to hell there, those days have passed. They wanted capitalism - here you are. Each for himself.

          You simply did not see normal apitalism.
          I’ll tell you the seditious thing - capitalism in the West. And in Sweden, and in Switzerland and in Luxembourg, and even in Israel.
          1. anew
            anew 26 December 2015 20: 34 New
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            You simply did not see normal apitalism.

            Not only normal, but also not normal, i.e. at least in the initial stage.
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    2. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 26 December 2015 12: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      Need to work

      So work - do not sit on the site ..
      1. atalef
        atalef 26 December 2015 12: 39 New
        0
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        Need to work

        So work - do not sit on the site ..

        Today is Saturday !!
        Hi, Nikolai!
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 26 December 2015 13: 30 New
          0
          Quote: atalef
          Today is Saturday !!

          Hi Sasha .. tired of these slogans, you might think everything does not work and ..
          1. atalef
            atalef 26 December 2015 14: 26 New
            -1
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            Quote: atalef
            Today is Saturday !!

            Hi Sasha .. tired of these slogans, you might think everything does not work and ..

            Yes, of course, everyone in their place works, but everything else should be determined by the state in terms of incentives, incentives, taxes, conferences, etc.
            maybe it can turn out _ everything seems to work, and the output is zero.
      2. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 26 December 2015 13: 27 New
        -7
        Why are you, bullish hell, on the site? I plowed my own, beard. When you treat people for a meager salary in the next life, then you will give advice, Honduras.
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 26 December 2015 13: 31 New
          +2
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          , horseradish bullish on the site

          I’ll not say very lexicon for you, suitable for nick
          1. Dr. Bormental
            Dr. Bormental 26 December 2015 13: 38 New
            -3
            But you have advice to give arrogance
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        4. anew
          anew 26 December 2015 13: 47 New
          +1
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          When you treat people for a meager salary

          I imagine how you are from the "treated". Since you hate your job so much. And judging by the jargon ... aren't they in the prison infirmary?
          1. Dr. Bormental
            Dr. Bormental 26 December 2015 14: 01 New
            0
            Rudeness breeds rudeness. And on the account of how you deigned to say “healed” and hate my job “- I love my job and love my country, and not for you to judge, a person with an incomprehensible name and flag.
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          3. atalef
            atalef 26 December 2015 14: 45 New
            +1
            Quote: anew
            I imagine how you are from the "treated". Since you hate your job so much. And judging by the jargon ... aren't they in the prison infirmary?

            Do not say anything stupid, doctors in Russia have always had an enviable share and I honestly don't understand much how people who studied for so many years and holding such responsibility on their shoulders continued to do this for that meager salary.
            At some point, there is a feeling that you are not just not appreciated. and frankly use it.
            You’ll definitely not envy anyone, but doctors in Russia.
            So it seems to me.
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            2. anew
              anew 26 December 2015 16: 22 New
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              Don't be silly

              I do not have such a habit. And I advise you to wean.
              Quote: atalef
              Doctors in Russia have always had an unenviable share

              An unenviable share everywhere, and not just in Russia, among poor electricians, engineers, doctors, locksmiths, etc. etc. Good professionals are completely hurt. This is especially true for doctors. Here I know for sure what I'm writing.
              Quote: atalef
              You’ll definitely not envy anyone, but doctors in Russia.

              Quote: atalef
              At some point, there is a feeling that you are not just not appreciated. and frankly use it.

              You know better in Israel, of course.
              Quote: atalef
              So it seems to me.

              This was what we had to start with. Appreciate. When there is something to appreciate.
              PS. In medical universities the highest competitions. And the cost of training is not weak. Many people want their children an "unenviable share", it turns out. Where is the logic?
              1. Dr. Bormental
                Dr. Bormental 26 December 2015 19: 03 New
                -2
                Do not talk about things in which you do not understand anything. hi
            3. Dr. Bormental
              Dr. Bormental 26 December 2015 19: 00 New
              -1
              thank you though you understand hi
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  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 26 December 2015 10: 51 New
    +4
    If in the military-industrial complex this can be done, then Why is it impossible to pursue a similar policy in other areas of the economy? But light industry does not grow, and sown areas do not increase.


    It is necessary to study the "Capital" of Marx, determine the "owners" of Russian subsoil and holders of capital, determine the interests of the state in these areas and sectors and ... with new tax laws, economic priorities, criminal liability for some economic actions ahead !!! to accomplish labor feats for the construction of enterprises and industries and the closure of shopping centers and real estate agencies ...

    In pursuit of quick money, our enterprising entrepreneurs have created an army of middlemen and a legion of merchants. The difference between the military-industrial complex and these areas is that those who work in this field have “brains” and “golden hands” more in demand ...
    wink
    1. dchegrinec
      dchegrinec 26 December 2015 11: 06 New
      +2
      We raised the military-industrial complex for oil, improved the social system, but completely forgot about agriculture. And now, with a trough. Oil will cost even less, and what's next? We must return to our former positions in the agricultural sector, you can earn better than oil now. Everyone wants to eat, and burn fuel on a full stomach.
      1. 34 region
        34 region 26 December 2015 11: 25 New
        +3
        And what about agriculture? They also need to invest money. For renting land, for electricity, for fuel, for seeds, for cattle, for fertilizers, for herbicides, for pesticides, for equipment, for buildings, tax ...
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 26 December 2015 20: 24 New
        +2
        In order to open factories and sell products, you need to find markets from the beginning.
        1. anew
          anew 26 December 2015 20: 31 New
          +3
          Can not argue. Explicit +.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 26 December 2015 10: 54 New
    -3
    I advise everyone to stop thinking in cliches. Which are imposed on us for the purpose of manipulating public consciousness. It is clear that citizens who do not have an economic education can instill the myth of Russia's oil dependence in Russia, after which it is possible to devalue it by nodding at oil prices. http://ruxpert.ru/%D0%9D%D0%B5%D1%84%D1%82%D1%8F%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B8%D0%B3%
    D0% BB% D0% B0
    Here is another, and quite justified view of the situation.
    1. Makk
      Makk 26 December 2015 11: 05 New
      +1
      Correct the link.
    2. yuriy55
      yuriy55 26 December 2015 11: 07 New
      +3
      We are not suggestible ... stop We know in practice, if there is a planning for the development of the national economy, there is a desire to create, then progress will not be long in coming. In the meantime, instead of investing in the Group A industry, they are sent to US banks, and this is called the Treasury Department’s deliberate strategy, it is proposed as an airbag ...
      When falling into the abyss, the presence of an airbag does not matter ...

      Returning to the years of the developed USSR, I want to recall that agricultural products grown in the vast USSR, in their vast mass, (according to some sources, up to 50%) did not reach the consumer due to the "worthless" storage and processing conditions. And in the "NZ" army depots we received canned foods from 1947-1949 (in the late 80s), very conveniently digested and of acceptable quality ...
      1. atalef
        atalef 26 December 2015 11: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: yuriy55
        We know in practice, if there is a planning for the development of the national economy, there is a desire to create, then progress will not be long in coming

        do not rush. Swan, cancer and pike - read it? They also generally wanted to move the cart

        Quote: yuriy55
        In the meantime, instead of investing in Group A industry, they go to US banks

        Well, not the United States, but Europe. The United States practically did not lend to Russia.
        1. yuriy55
          yuriy55 26 December 2015 11: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: atalef

          do not rush. Swan, cancer and pike - read it? They also generally wanted to move the cart


          But why rush there, carts (formerly in power) and now there ... winked


          Quote: atalef
          Well, not the United States, but Europe. The United States practically did not lend to Russia.

          They credited her collapse ...
          Well ... the same hell, only in profile ... winked
    3. atalef
      atalef 26 December 2015 11: 20 New
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      I advise everyone to stop thinking in cliches. Which are imposed on us for the purpose of manipulating public consciousness. It is clear that citizens without an economic education can easily instill the myth of Russia's oil dependence

      But not ? Does not depend ? belay
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Here is another, and quite justified view of the situation.

      this does not say at all that he is right.
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 26 December 2015 11: 02 New
    -1
    The states decided simply to crush the price of oil, “wrinkle” the oil countries to the point, then they will fall into poverty, plunder the Middle East, set the region in peace and crush the survivors! That's why it was impossible to enter into alliances with America like Europe. Not only do they blackmail them all the time, they can send them to the grave with them. And that is why our relations with the Middle East and the Asia-Pacific region are simply vital. Russia will also have to frown thoroughly, since we devoted so much time to relations with Europe, and now America threw us through them. We miscalculated. It’s good that the military-industrial complex was raised, security was raised, and We will have to tighten our belts until we debug the economy with India, China and our other partners.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 26 December 2015 11: 16 New
      +1
      The states decided simply to crush the price of oil ...


      The states decided to go bankrupt, collapse their dollar so as not to pay off external debt ... Therefore, perhaps, they are demonstrating these attempts ... And about oil request if there is a lot of it in the market, then it will become cheaper ... only in our market the cost of fuels and lubricants and refined products should fall what
      1. alone
        alone 26 December 2015 16: 28 New
        +3
        Quote: yuriy55
        only in our market the cost of fuels and lubricants and refined products should fall

        All these products flow into the pockets of certain circles. The price will not fall on them. It is not profitable.
    2. atalef
      atalef 26 December 2015 11: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: dchegrinec
      The states decided simply to crush the price of oil, “wrinkle” the oil countries to the point, then they will fall into poverty, plunder the Middle East

      to plunder the poor?
      Quote: dchegrinec
      That is why it was impossible to enter into alliances with America like Europe.

      What is it like ?
      Quote: dchegrinec
      Not only do they blackmail them all the time, but they can send them to the grave with them

      May I have the same to the grave with Europe. Prefer to be buried in Monaco or Luxembourg

      Quote: dchegrinec
      And that is why our relations with the Middle East and the Asia-Pacific region are simply vital.

      You will not let plunder BV? no
      Quote: dchegrinec
      and we’ll have to tighten our belts until we debug the economy with India, China and our other partners

      good
    3. 34 region
      34 region 26 December 2015 11: 28 New
      0
      And why are cheap resources bad? We did not want to make resources cheap, others did. You need to use cheap resources and the moment.
      1. atalef
        atalef 26 December 2015 12: 08 New
        0
        Quote: 34 region
        And why are cheap resources bad?

        Wonderful.
        Cheap resources - everything is getting cheaper.
  • Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg 26 December 2015 11: 02 New
    +6
    In China, all things are made in China, with rare exceptions. Therefore, domestic consumption allows us to survive the decline in exports. I advise you to look around you and calculate what has been done in Russia.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 26 December 2015 11: 12 New
      0
      Yes, a lot of things:
      buckwheat, sugar, flour, canned fish and meat, matches ... toilet paper ... laughing
    2. 34 region
      34 region 26 December 2015 11: 32 New
      0
      What has been done in Russia? How to count it? Completely done with us, from development to manufacturing? Or partly done with us? Or done there, but assembled with us? Let's decide what to consider ours.
      1. Stauffenberg
        Stauffenberg 26 December 2015 11: 37 New
        +1
        What is made in Russia. Completely, even if assembled from parts partially brought from there -)). Let on other people's developments
      2. Felix2
        Felix2 26 December 2015 11: 46 New
        0
        It’s like Belarusian krivetki.
    3. ASK505
      ASK505 26 December 2015 11: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Stauffenberg
      I advise you to look around you and calculate what has been done in Russia.


      This all suggests that 2 Industrialization on a digital base is just around the corner. The liberal model of the economy has worked out its own and is already showing its futility. A logical redistribution of ownership of the means of production and the associated universal cry of liberals Comrade are coming. But otherwise they will crush us. The war against Russia is already underway and is gaining momentum. Now Putin has fallen the heaviest burden of decisions, and there are still many “friends” around. For our part, there can only be moral support.
  • outsider
    outsider 26 December 2015 11: 23 New
    0
    This stupid article wanders on a RuNet not the first day. I'm not saying that everything is fine with us. I say - look at the statistics. Well, at least Google, or something! In 2015, oil production - 12,1 GDP, oil refining 2,1% of GDP, gas 1,5% of GDP. The rest is industry and agriculture. Well, why are these stuffing? For!.
    1. outsider
      outsider 26 December 2015 11: 28 New
      -5
      I'm not talking about the fact that in the structure of US GDP in general ALL industry and ALL agriculture is 15% of GDP. 85% of GDP is in the service sector. And nothing. They live for themselves.
    2. atalef
      atalef 26 December 2015 11: 39 New
      +9
      Quote: Outsider
      This stupid article wanders on a RuNet not the first day. I'm not saying that everything is fine with us. I say - look at the statistics. Well, at least Google, or something! In 2015, oil production - 12,1 GDP, oil refining 2,1% of GDP, gas 1,5% of GDP. The rest is industry and agriculture. Well, why are these stuffing? For!.

      Do not mix GDP and budget filling items.
      These are completely different things.
      The GDP includes articles which, from the point of view of monetarity, are an integral part of GDP, but from the point of view of tax revenues, it is practically zero.
      And there are a lot of such articles.
      Sending uk GDP is stupid and doesn’t make any difference to pensions, benefits, payments to beneficiaries, healthcare, education and science expenses not from GDP, but from the budget.
      Therefore, look at the articles filling the budget and their structure - then everything will immediately fall into place


      Quote: Outsider
      The rest is industry and agriculture. Well, why are these stuffing? For

      This is not stuffing - this is reality.
  • Limon1972
    Limon1972 26 December 2015 11: 27 New
    +4
    In most countries, the basis of the economy is small and medium-sized businesses. And we only strangle sad Everyone is trying to rewrite the laws of economics ....
  • avva2012
    avva2012 26 December 2015 11: 29 New
    0
    Quote: atalef
    How ? There is no money, but no one will sell technology

    Like, no, Chubais said that there are a lot of them, they have.
    In addition to him, we still have a lot of "willing" to share, if, what. The amnesty was extended for capital for another six months, maybe this is the last Chinese warning?
    Quote: atalef
    Well no . The situation is hopeless.

    From your far, maybe more visible. We survived the abundance, we will survive and hunger. Yes, about hunger. What does an ordinary person need? Food, clothes, well, gasoline for a hanger. In conditions of severe crisis, gas prices in the domestic market will fall. If the government does not go crazy, then the price of consumer goods will freeze. "Wishing" to share, will shake.
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 December 2015 12: 16 New
      +4
      Quote: avva2012
      Like, no, Chubais said that there are a lot of them, they have.

      Leave Chubais alone, Putin said that with 80 bucks a barrel, the global economy will collapse, so how?
      Do you want to continue - from the living?
      Quote: avva2012
      In addition to him, we still have a lot of "willing" to share, if, what. The amnesty was extended for capital for another six months, maybe this is the last Chinese warning?

      There will be another 1000, the money will not be returned. and repressions begin - all will run away
      Quote: avva2012
      From your far, maybe more visible.

      No, that’s understandable.
      Imagine that the state is you.
      You need to upgrade production - but you have no money. and if you scrape it together, they don’t want to sell it. The way out is to develop the plane. those. invest in non-production sphere i.e. very long money * which is already absent) with a distant economy. effect.
      What are you going to do ?
      But you need to decide now.
      Quote: avva2012
      We survived the abundance, survive and hunger

      Yes, no one doubts, just a question? What for .
      In normal countries, governments and presidents fly for such things in the very first elections. Because they were chosen not to endure hunger, but to make people live better - but this is not your case.
      Quote: avva2012
      In conditions of severe crisis, gas prices in the domestic market will fall.

      We have no crisis, and gas prices are falling.
      Why crisis?
      Quote: avva2012
      If the government does not go crazy, then the price of consumer goods will freeze

      And who will pay the difference?
    2. anew
      anew 26 December 2015 14: 47 New
      0
      Quote: avva2012
      What does an ordinary person need? Food, clothes, well, gasoline for a hanger.

      This is not ordinary, it is primitive to man. The ordinary needs a lot more.
    3. anew
      anew 26 December 2015 14: 47 New
      0
      Quote: avva2012
      What does an ordinary person need? Food, clothes, well, gasoline for a hanger.

      This is not ordinary, it is primitive to man. The ordinary needs a lot more.
  • Riv
    Riv 26 December 2015 11: 30 New
    +2
    Come on, scare us again! :) So I see the oil industry managers on the porch with outstretched hands.
  • denkastro
    denkastro 26 December 2015 11: 31 New
    0
    And where are the numbers about 16%, if not secret? And what kind of manufacturing industry is this? Metal processing or woodworking, or maybe processing agricultural products or oil and gas? It’s somehow not clear yet.
    Rosstat divides our entire industry into three main categories:
    24% - Mining and quarrying
    65% - Manufacturing
    11% - Production / distribution of electricity, gas and water
  • Lexus
    Lexus 26 December 2015 11: 38 New
    0
    I put the word in defense of GDP
    1. we repaid the debts that dragged us to the bottom (the fate is unenviable)
    2. They drove out all sorts of shells and mobile phones that paid practically nothing to the state (now our Gazprom, although under the miller)
    3. Restricted the power of Jewish oligarchs (Gusinsky, Medinsky, etc.; maybe remember, they agreed with the state!
    that instead of 13%, taxes will be given only by 6% or not at all)
    4. They shot and put bandits.
    5. The development of the military industrial complex has gone
    The first stage is completed. And here is the beginning of the second - the transition to an independent financial system, the filling of the budget due to internal sources, has stalled. Although Plato and gas prices that we do not depend on oil prices and taxes, EAGIS are the links in this chain.
    It is difficult to change course sharply, inertia is everywhere. All bureaucrats know how to spend but are not able to earn. And some DAM types are frank mediocrity and (but an excellent performer from and to)
    Lousy in our government is the lack of concepts. Stupid anticipation of conjuncture and reactive management. These shots were selected by the gdp, previously it was necessary, now it is a burden on our neck.
    Another serious problem is that the population is only one hundred million, even if we collect wild taxes, ideally we will get four times less than salary.
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 December 2015 12: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: Lexus
      I put the word in defense of GDP

      Quote: Lexus
      . And some DAM types are frank mediocrity and (but an excellent performer from and to)
      Lousy in our government is the lack of concepts

      Quote: Lexus
      Such shots were picked up by gdp

      Quote: Lexus
      Another serious problem is the population of only one hundred million,

      Lexus, you say laughing
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 26 December 2015 14: 03 New
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Lexus, you say

        Sasha - 47 million on top, seeds for Lexus ..
    2. Limon1972
      Limon1972 26 December 2015 12: 28 New
      +2
      And what better Rotenberg Gusinsih ??? St. Petersburg quail pie, that's all.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 26 December 2015 12: 37 New
        0
        Rotenbergs steal within the permitted framework
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 26 December 2015 14: 07 New
          0
          Quote: Lexus
          Rotenbergs steal within the permitted framework

          Who is allowed ???? .... with such a level of comments - you won’t earn on Lexus ... (it does not matter to the loaders, I heard they pay ..)
  • Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 26 December 2015 11: 41 New
    0
    Captain Evidence reports. Of course it was necessary to invest in industry. And better, DO NOT DESTROY THE SOVIET.

    We make fun of ukrams, and ourselves have not far gone.

    Besides the military-industrial complex, of course.
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 December 2015 12: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: Gormengast
      Captain Evidence reports. Of course it was necessary to invest in industry. And better, DO NOT DESTROY THE SOVIET.

      Better yet, to be born in Luxembourg the son of a billionaire or getting up from the oven, fuck the princess and all in full chocolate.
      Why is it crying? 25 years have passed

      Quote: Gormengast
      We make fun of ukrams, and ourselves have not far gone.

      Quote: Gormengast
      Besides the military-industrial complex, of course.

      Well, the military-industrial complex has already been once. state in state.
  • zekaze1980
    zekaze1980 26 December 2015 11: 42 New
    -1
    The Russian government responds: "You’ve found fools, you need to go and work. We have enough of our own worries, and oil is getting cheaper."
    P.S. problems of the Indians, the sheriff does not care.
  • avva2012
    avva2012 26 December 2015 11: 44 New
    0
    The Saudis, processing, in general, how many percent does it take? And they live and don’t blow anything.
    And, yes, I forgot, the reason is that they do without our bureaucrats. If, what, sticks on the heels, or even an ax with a head. Maybe this is the reason for all our troubles?
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 December 2015 12: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: avva2012
      The Saudis, processing, in general, how many percent does it take? And they live and don’t blow anything.

      what is it for?
      Quote: avva2012
      And, yes, I forgot, the reason is that they do without our bureaucrats

      everything there belongs to the royal family - they do not steal from themselves
      Quote: avva2012
      If, what, sticks on the heels, or even an ax with a head. Maybe this is the reason for all our troubles?

      mdaaaa repeat
  • Mihail55
    Mihail55 26 December 2015 11: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: Makk
    I work in mechanical engineering, the last time I saw a domestic mill 3 years ago (and even then with imported plates)

    Similarly, in the same place!
    Take a look at the KZTS website - the ice has broken! But this is just the voice of one crying in the wilderness. Hands to tear off to our craftsmen, it would be better if they saved the material for future production of the tool!
  • Lexus
    Lexus 26 December 2015 11: 57 New
    +2
    Quote: Michael55
    Quote: Makk
    I work in mechanical engineering, the last time I saw a domestic mill 3 years ago (and even then with imported plates)

    Similarly, in the same place!
    Take a look at the KZTS website - the ice has broken! But this is just the voice of one crying in the wilderness. Hands to tear off to our craftsmen, it would be better if they saved the material for future production of the tool!

    In the same place. Sad to watch.
    The development of production requires manufacturers, technicians in government. Upon receipt of the diploma, it is necessary to hang an economist and shoot a lawyer.)))
  • veksha50
    veksha50 26 December 2015 12: 26 New
    +2
    How many analysts - so many opinions ...

    Here on the Internet there are a lot of predictions that soon the price of oil can jump to 150 dollars per barrel ...

    The question is - to whom to believe?
    I tend to believe pessimistic forecasts ...

    Well, about the fact that it was necessary to invest money in industry and agriculture, when the money was available at the expense of the same oil, I was already tired of talking ... That's it, the train left ....

    At least, the military-industrial complex has so far been able to raise the level of combat capability of our Armed Forces, and now we need to spit on all globalization and tackle purely domestic issues ... Start by eating your own potatoes (and not Egyptian and Israeli), have your own nails (and not Chinese) ... and so on ... If you do not make increased comfort requirements, then we will live and survive ... Not for the first time ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 December 2015 12: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: veksha50
      The question is - to whom to believe?


      Quote: veksha50
      I tend to believe pessimistic forecasts ..

      A pessimist is a well-informed optimist
      Quote: veksha50
      That's it, the train is gone ..

      and for a long time

      Quote: veksha50
      At least, the military-industrial complex has so far been able to raise the level of combat capability of our Armed Forces, and now we need to spit on all globalization and tackle purely resolving internal issues

      Well, as in S. Korea, about
      Quote: veksha50
      To begin with, eat your own potatoes (not Egyptian and Israeli), have your own nails (and not Chinese).
  • Million
    Million 26 December 2015 12: 30 New
    +3
    We had to spend the Reserve Fund to increase industrial production and agriculture. But the government does not do this

    It’s necessary to drive such a government into the neck, at least a few of its characters
  • Lexus
    Lexus 26 December 2015 12: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: Lexus
    I put the word in defense of GDP

    Quote: Lexus
    . And some DAM types are frank mediocrity and (but an excellent performer from and to)
    Lousy in our government is the lack of concepts

    Quote: Lexus
    Such shots were picked up by gdp

    Quote: Lexus
    Another serious problem is the population of only one hundred million,

    Lexus, you say laughing

    I’m only one word)))
  • Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 26 December 2015 12: 35 New
    +1
    Saltykov Shchedrin was wrong. In Russia, there are three misfortunes, roads, fools, and too smart people who consider everyone around to be fools .... especially if these too smart are also in power ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 December 2015 12: 46 New
      +4
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      Wrong Saltykov Shchedrin-In Russia, three trouble roads, fools,

      and DAM laughing
  • avva2012
    avva2012 26 December 2015 12: 46 New
    -2
    Quote: atalef
    In normal countries, governments and presidents fly for such things in the very first elections. Because they were chosen not to endure hunger, but to make people live better - but this is not your case.

    Alexander, and you, what a psychiatrist? Where, you saw real democracy. Governments and presidents are flying, not because people don’t like something. And, because the next macaque needs to be changed (I doubt that you have something wrong). In order to survive to this, time is needed.
    this is not your case. Now, I understand why, sometimes, so much negativity pours on you, although, in fact, you are big and kind.
    Quote: atalef
    Do you want to continue - from the living?

    Continue, very interesting.
    But, not in Chubais. In order for the state to hold on tightly, not only high GDP is needed. In the country, citizens should be aware of themselves as a nation, do not forget to tell ourselves to us. Therefore, if, in difficult times, the government does not stupid, then for the population it will hold indicative sacrifices. And Chubais and Co., come in handy. What, in the 30's, our standard of living was higher than in the USA and Europe? However, when the sheep were slaughtered in public (they deserved, no doubt), the state only grew stronger. But, apparently, you do not understand what the Empire is.

    Quote: atalef
    You need to upgrade production - but you have no money. and if you scrape it together, they don’t want to sell it. The way out is to develop the plane. those. invest in non-production sphere i.e. very long money * which is already absent) with a distant economy. effect.
    What are you going to do ?
    But you need to decide now.

    You didn’t confuse the country? How long have you been living in Israel? There is no money in Russia? Who said?

    Quote: denkastro
    We have no crisis, and gas prices are falling.
    Why crisis?

    Are you, USA, trying to strangle you? What a twist! We, with you, have different weight categories, different circumstances of existence. What happens to my country is mostly done artificially. Not correct, dear Alexander.
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 December 2015 13: 17 New
      -1
      Quote: avva2012
      Alexander, and you, what a psychiatrist? Where, you saw real democracy.

      In the world there is no black and white, there are so many shades.
      and between complete democracy (in some cannibal tribe) and its complete absence (in the neighboring cannibal tribe) - there are 50 shades of gray

      Quote: avva2012
      And, because the next macaque needs to be changed (I doubt that you have something wrong)

      It’s not so strange with us. The country is small, all macaques are in sight
      Quote: avva2012
      Now, I understand why, sometimes, so much negativity pours on you, although, in fact, you are big and kind.

      big and kind - this is exactly about me good
      Quote: avva2012
      In order for the state to hold on tightly, not only high GDP is needed. In a country, citizens must be aware of themselves as a nation, do not forget to tell ourselves WE

      like us
      Quote: avva2012
      However, when the sheep were slaughtered in public (they deserved, no doubt), the state only grew stronger. But, apparently, you do not understand what the Empire is.

      and why? That Monaco and Luxembourg, and Switzerland - this is not to understand ... and nothing. Feeling like an imperial, it certainly does not appeal to me. Especially if this is generally nothing to back up

      Quote: avva2012
      You didn’t confuse the country? How long have you been living in Israel? There is no money in Russia? Who said?

      GDP said
      Quote: avva2012
      Are you, USA, trying to strangle you?

      The whole Arab world is trying to strangle us - in proportions. it’s more difficult for us

      Quote: avva2012
      We, with you, have different weight categories, circumstances of existence are different

      Yes, no, all people live the same, living conditions are different
      Quote: avva2012
      What happens to my country is mostly done artificially

      And how should it be natural?
      Quote: avva2012
      Not correct, dear Alexander.

      In what?
  • Jane-jack
    Jane-jack 26 December 2015 12: 52 New
    0
    And I think this will help us. It becomes not profitable for our bourgeoisie to sit on oil. From this they will find it more attractive to develop other areas of production in our state.
    Yes, I agree, at first it will be very difficult for all of us. But I hope that already our children will receive Russia without hydrocarbon addiction.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 26 December 2015 13: 16 New
      +2
      They will NOT do it. Example - Prokhorov with his foreign clubs. Here is the limit of dreams and possibilities of "our" thieves bourgeoisie.
  • NordUral
    NordUral 26 December 2015 13: 15 New
    +1
    In the framework of oligachic feudal capitalism, this is impossible. Only socialism or state capitalism, a planned economy (with elements of private entrepreneurship in the field of consumption, mainly) and development goals that are clear to us, the people, will allow the country's recovery and growth. There is no other way.
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      1. dvina71
        dvina71 26 December 2015 14: 40 New
        0
        Quote: anew
        Therefore, the phrase "only socialism" is not entirely clear. Although you may not be aware that the so-called "socialism" is just one of the varieties of feudalism.


        Let’s sort it out .. Under Stalin there were state property, public property, but it was not private.
        In late "socialism" exclusively state property.
        In short, socialism is characterized by public ownership, so that the times of Stalin are closer to socialism.
        Late "socialism" is nothing more than state capitalism.
        In both cases, feudalism does not smell. For this is a form of state system where TERRITORIES with the population were given to the feudal lord for feeding, because the central power of the periphery could not fully control.

        If you are talking about passports .. Then the peasant could get a passport in the village council without any problems. But that's not the point. At the very beginning, passports were issued to city dwellers-forcibly. In order to streamline things in apartment ownership, and there was such a mess ..
        Given that 80% of the population then lived in villages, this was an infringement of the rights of urban residents. Everyone else did not need a passport.
        Tearful stories like the village council did not let the peasants into the city, leave it for yourself.
        Nobody forbade to go to the city. But to study or work without a passport it was impossible to enter.
        1. anew
          anew 26 December 2015 15: 53 New
          -1
          Quote: dvina71
          Under Stalin there were state property, public property, but was not private.

          I’ll tell you one smart thing, but don’t be offended. State property and public property do not exist. T.N. "State ownership" always belongs to the person who personally or indirectly controls it. In the feudal states of the traditional type, such a single leader is the king (king, leader, etc.). In feudal states of a religious and pseudo-religious type, such a leader is the supreme shaman (Secretary General, the great helmsman, etc.). Those. property under feudalism is always private. The only difference is the degree of centralization and the effectiveness of its management.
          Quote: dvina71
          Late "socialism" is nothing more than state capitalism.

          You make me laugh.
          Quote: dvina71
          For this is a form of state system where TERRITORIES with the population were given to the feudal lord for feeding, because the central power of the periphery could not fully control.

          But this is even funnier.
          Quote: dvina71
          In both cases, feudalism does not smell.

          What smells like? Bullshit type of Marxism-Leninism? Not surprised. It was specifically developed for this.
          Quote: dvina71
          If you are talking about passports .. Then the peasant could get a passport in the village council without any problems.

          Are you telling this to someone? To me? I do not need. You tell boys such bullshit. Young. And then, not those who traveled to a foreign city to get a job. Even now, without registration it is not easy. And in those days it was simply impossible. Those who even had a passport. And there were no such people in villages under Stalin.
          Quote: dvina71
          Everyone else did not need a passport.

          PPC. Are you a troll? Or not in yourself?
          Quote: dvina71
          Nobody forbade to go to the city.

          It was possible to go on a visit for a short while. But no more.
          Quote: dvina71
          But to study or work without a passport it was impossible to enter.

          Yeah, after all, a passport was needed. As well as the permission of the local feudal lord to live on its territory. As well as the permission of the old feudal lord, to leave from its territory. A beautiful system, of course, has nothing to do with feudalism. According to those scoops that do not shine with education.
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 26 December 2015 18: 41 New
            -1
            Quote: anew
            I’ll tell you one smart thing, but don’t be offended. State property and public property do not exist .....

            YES? Here tell me ... what is my interest in arguing with dogmas?
            I tell you the facts, you are my speculation .. What is the essence of such a dispute? YOU are not trying to find the truth, but pour someone your dogma.
            You won’t pour me. I studied very closely the first half of the 20th century. Maybe you will try to do it? And then we'll talk.
            1. anew
              anew 26 December 2015 18: 57 New
              +1
              Quote: dvina71
              I tell you the facts, you are my speculation ..

              Actually, you tell me the tales of grandmother Arina. But Java is just the facts.
              Quote: dvina71
              I studied very closely the first half of the 20th century.

              "Repairing a car very tightly" does not mean that you can fix it. The same with the "first half of the 20th century."
              Quote: dvina71
              Maybe you will try to do it?

              Already in the know.
              Quote: dvina71
              And then we'll talk.

              About what? About "happy socialist being"? So it's empty, because did not have this.
              Do you know what is the main sign of a happy existence in the world of living beings (different)? Reproduction of the population. Any. From annelids to humans. True, somewhere at the very end of the 20th century, several non-evolutionary mechanisms began to turn on in people. But for the "era of socialism" this factor can be neglected, it just lasted until about this moment. Those. since January 1918 and until December 1991.
              Read what happened during this period with the human population within the borders of the USSR. And what about the neighboring populations. Then compare. Hair will stand on end. And not only on the head.
              1. dvina71
                dvina71 27 December 2015 00: 04 New
                -1
                Quote: anew
                Read what happened during this period with the human population within the borders of the USSR. And what about the neighboring populations. Then compare. Hair will stand on end. And not only on the head.


                Wow .. so let's get to the numbers. Only from 41 to 45gg the loss of the USSR in people amounted to 27 million. About 20 million people are of reproductive age or still under-reproductive. Still have a desire to consider population growth? Ok .. count.
                Before the war, there was a population of just under 200 million, after the war about 170 million. By the collapse of the USSR, i.e., by 1990, the population of the USSR was slightly less than 300 million.
                The hair is still in place ..
                1. anew
                  anew 27 December 2015 01: 06 New
                  0
                  Quote: dvina71
                  The hair is still in place ..

                  You need to read books. And learn. Three times. You even consider the losses in the Second World War as redneck, as the Bolshevik ghouls believed. What can you talk about if you don’t even understand what they write to you?
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  • avva2012
    avva2012 26 December 2015 13: 52 New
    0
    Quote: atalef
    there are xnumx shades of gray

    Did you like the movie?
    Quote: atalef
    The country is small, all macaques are in sight

    You, not the director of the zoo, do not lie. All macaques should not know for sure.
    Quote: atalef
    like us

    Well, here, at least in some way they found common points for contact.
    Quote: atalef
    and why? That Monaco and Luxembourg, and Switzerland - this is not to understand ... and nothing. Feeling like an imperial, it certainly does not appeal to me. Especially if this is generally nothing to back up

    He’s right, almost, as always, as an imperial, that you, yourself, don’t feel (though .., come back). Monaco, a worthy country, almost like Russia. wassat For dwarfs, no one pays attention, for the time being.
    Quote: atalef
    GDP said

    Not GDP, but Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. Even, I, Benjamin Netanyahu, reprimand, kindly, the President of Russia, all the same respect.
    Quote: atalef
    The whole Arab world is trying to strangle us - in proportions. it’s more difficult for us

    Come on. What, are Arabs so stupid? The state of Israel would have long been recognized if the United States had not fed them. And so, they look at you from above, like a nerd in a microscope.
    Quote: atalef
    Yes, no, all people live the same, living conditions are different

    That is, "smart live smart?". Ah, you, I.V. Why didn’t they erect a monument to Stalin?
    Quote: atalef
    And how should it be natural?

    Apparently, when the main reason, your conflict with the Arabs will be removed, as well as ours with your cause, i.e. USA.
    Quote: atalef
    In what?

    In.
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 December 2015 14: 57 New
      0
      Quote: avva2012
      Did you like the movie?

      sucks full.
      Quote: avva2012
      You, not the director of the zoo, do not lie. All macaques should not know for sure.

      our macaques don’t get out of nowhere, everyone goes a long way and how the hell they don’t jump out of the snuffbox to Olymp
      Quote: avva2012
      Right, almost, as always, an imperial, you, yourself, do not feel

      And thank God.
      And you see, the level of disappointment, as a rule, corresponds to the level of hopes.
      Quote: avva2012
      Not GDP, but Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. Even, I, Benjamin Netanyahu, reprimand, kindly, the President of Russia, all the same respect.

      I respect him, but at the same time the GDP will remain, it is difficult to type extra letters.
      By the way, Netanyahu mono just write Bibi - as we all do
      Quote: avva2012
      Come on. What, are Arabs so stupid? D

      I guess I do not know
      Quote: avva2012
      That is, "smart live smart?". Ah, you, I.V. Why didn’t they erect a monument to Stalin?

      smart people live differently. it was about living conditions in the country.
      And about Stalin? It’s not a question of why we didn’t pose, a question of why you took off
      Quote: avva2012
      Apparently, when the main reason, your conflict with the Arabs will be removed, as well as ours with your cause, i.e. USA

      Is the US the cause of our conflict with the Sarabs? Where is it in a parallel universe?
  • avva2012
    avva2012 26 December 2015 14: 03 New
    -1
    Quote: atalef
    everything there belongs to the royal family - they do not steal from themselves

    Well, well, here, too, everything belonged to one family, didn’t steal? And, I forgot, it's Russia, "goodbye unwashed ...".
    Quote: atalef
    mdaaaa

    What did not like? Saudi Arabia, unlike Russia, is a civilized country.
  • sleeping sayan
    sleeping sayan 26 December 2015 14: 06 New
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    Well, now “this” will start an old song. “He” is also a Russian citizen and worries about Russia. He lives in e ... But a citizen of the Russian Federation, and even a citizen of Canada. And what is it called? This is political pr-ya! This ethnic group is ahead of the whole planet!
  • avva2012
    avva2012 26 December 2015 14: 28 New
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    Why are you trying to trick us? YOU did not have any of this during a mustached pockmarked ghoul. YOU had a maximum of patched socks. And a pair of shoes. Often one for two.

    What the hell are you, in our country of patched portkits poking around? Sit at home and be tolerant, offended. Go to your site, wave your colorful flag. Do not touch, with your dirty hands, what you don’t understand. A little bit with a hunchbacked mountain.
    1. anew
      anew 26 December 2015 14: 38 New
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      What the hell are you, in our country of patched portkits poking around? Sit at home and be tolerant, offended

      Did someone offend you? In the criminal sense of the word. It is very similar in your behavior. All conversations in the end you come down to one topic. And "anyone that hurts, he says that."
  • avva2012
    avva2012 26 December 2015 14: 52 New
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    Quote: anew
    Quote: avva2012
    What the hell are you, in our country of patched portkits poking around? Sit at home and be tolerant, offended

    Did someone offend you? In the criminal sense of the word. It is very similar in your behavior. All conversations in the end you come down to one topic. And "anyone that hurts, he says that."

    According to your behavior, it would not be worthwhile to crawl with the Mr. that is in your head in the Russian Federation. Offended, you mean that you hate the country in whose language you write. If you have a perversion, I don’t know, you know better. For anyone that hurts, ask the clinicians.
  • avva2012
    avva2012 26 December 2015 15: 01 New
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    Quote: atalef
    Do not say anything stupid, doctors in Russia have always had an enviable share and I honestly don't understand much how people who studied for so many years and holding such responsibility on their shoulders continued to do this for that meager salary.
    At some point, there is a feeling that you are not just not appreciated. and frankly use it.
    You’ll definitely not envy anyone, but doctors in Russia.
    So it seems to me.

    Alexander, why are you suggesting a schizis on the site? That, you, strangle the hunt, then at least now, in the Presidents of the galaxy laughing
    Thank you for saying that. The doctor is an ungrateful profession. And not only in Russia, but especially here. Few who, without having worked in our industry, understand the situation. Shalom! hi
  • Tektor
    Tektor 26 December 2015 15: 02 New
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    KMK, the topic of oil prices is not disclosed. For the states to survive safely in a difficult period, the states needed to become the most energetically self-sufficient state, for which it was necessary to lift the price of oil to heaven in order to develop their own oil production. At the same time, the states secured a competitive advantage by quoting their oil lower than European, which gained an advantage due to cheap Russian gas. States could not export their oil, because while the price of oil in the states would rise, and the competitive advantage would evaporate. Now it turned out that the states did not become self-sufficient in oil, unlike gas, because many of their refineries are designed for heavy sulphurous oil from Venezuela, and not for light shale oil, which has become an excess. This light oil has clogged up all of the oil storage facilities and needs to be sold. For this, they lowered oil quotes below a reasonable level, so that the rise in prices for the American grade would not amount to significant overpayments. This means that we are on the eve of a difficult period.
  • 31rus
    31rus 26 December 2015 15: 16 New
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    Dear, where does the oil price go? The government’s policy is the main mistake, and this mistake is supported by the president, there were times when oil cost 9 and 20 bucks, but there wasn’t such a crisis, because it was the government that took measures and effective measures, and Now he is sitting and waiting for a rise in the price of oil and some kind of ghostly investments, even allocating money for certain necessary programs, projects, does not care about taking measures, laws, so that the programs are implemented and the money reaches the addressee, rather than being unpacked or scrolled in various financial pyramids, or even they were withdrawn abroad altogether, this applies to everything from the defense industry to a simple private trader, another topic is taxes, denacinalization, the state is losing control over the processes taking place in the economy
  • avva2012
    avva2012 26 December 2015 15: 18 New
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    Quote: atalef
    sucks full.

    I agree. Favorite missionary position. repeat
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    our macaques don’t get out of nowhere, everyone goes a long way and how the hell they don’t jump out of the snuffbox to Olymp

    You, about the USA ?, I agree, but in other countries, from this, they do not cease to be macaques.
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    And thank God.
    And you see, the level of disappointment, as a rule, corresponds to the level of hopes.

    And you, you can be disappointed, living in Israel? Come back, you will not regret it. There will be an Empire, I give a tooth. good
    Quote: atalef
    By the way, Netanyahu mono just write Bibi - as we all do

    Ah, Bibi, do you mind?
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    I guess I do not know

    Well, so many years with not smart butting without much success?

    Quote: atalef
    And about Stalin? It’s not a question of why we didn’t pose, a question of why you took off

    Well, for various reasons. In any case, he is not the founder of the Russian state.
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    Is the US the cause of our conflict with the Arabs? Where is it in a parallel universe?

    That is, the Arabs were first supported by the British, and if not for weapons from Czechoslovakia, would you be here now?
    And, the USA, yes, these are only written anti-Semites who believe that there is a Semitic lobby. And so, they are, "your best friends."
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 December 2015 15: 35 New
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      You, about the USA ?, I agree, but in other countries, from this, they do not cease to be macaques.

      We have a wife popping up
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      And you, you can be disappointed, living in Israel? Come back, you will not regret it. There will be an Empire, I give a tooth.

      Better not swear, you’ll stay without teeth
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      Ah, Bibi, do you mind?

      and who is asking him? it is also called in the news
      Quote: avva2012
      Well, for various reasons. In any case, he is not the founder of the Russian state.

      and let us no longer be the founder of our
      Quote: avva2012
      That is, the Arabs were first supported by the British, and if not for weapons from Czechoslovakia, would you be here now?

      in the same place where there is a holy place, it never happens empty. Neither the Czechs are so different. In general, history does not suffer a subjunctive mood. You don’t push the Arabs to the war with Israel and don’t supply them with weapons - maybe there would have been peace in the BV for a long time

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      And, USA, yes, it’s only the notable anti-Semites who believe that there’s a Semitic lobby

      You believe it, we do not
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      And so, they are, "your best friends."

      This is what it is.
      We have states, you have Syria and Iran - who has what.
  • afrikanez
    afrikanez 26 December 2015 15: 49 New
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    “In the structure of Russia's GDP, the processing industry occupies only 16%”
    Well, who is to blame? These are those who are used to doing a damn thing, getting decent money. am
  • alone
    alone 26 December 2015 15: 58 New
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    I read the article. As always. And here is the silence about the most important thing. No one bothers to ask the sun-faced rulers:
    Why so far such a rich and huge country over the 15 years of EdRoss’s rule has not made a qualitative transition to a productive economy. Why is all export designed for the sale of natural resources.

    couldn’t it be impossible in 15 years to at least half reduce the dependence of the economy on the price of oil and gas?

    I’ll give you a simple example about statistics. Let's say in Moscow the average salary is estimated at 100000 rubles, but in the regions 30000 rubles. When it comes to average salary throughout Russia, statistics say that the average salary throughout Russia is 65000 rubles. such a thing is obtained.
  • avva2012
    avva2012 26 December 2015 16: 00 New
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    Better not swear, you’ll stay without teeth

    And, well, to hell, with them, with teeth, if only the Motherland lived.
    Quote: atalef
    and who is asking him? it is also called in the news

    Democracy, in all its glory.
    Quote: atalef
    and especially not the founder of our

    Yes, not he, probably. The bunny is plush.
    That's interesting. USSR, the first to recognize the state of Israel. The little thing is clear (USA, 1953?). Then, suddenly, Czechoslovakia began to supply Israel with weapons, why? From the USSR, emigration of persons of Jewish nationality is allowed. Yes, not dentists, gynecologists, art historians, as in the 80’s Union, but soldiers who just passed the Second World War. Those people who went through the ghetto, partisan detachments, personnel units of the Soviet Army. People who, even without Czechoslovak weapons, would have torn Arabs. But, nevertheless, without the permission of the Union, there would be no weapon. When in the history of the USSR, there were such miracles? And what did the United States and Great Britain do at that time? So who is the founder of the state of Israel?
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    You don’t push the Arabs to the war with Israel and don’t supply them with weapons - maybe there would have been peace in the BV for a long time

    Is this from the propagandist's guide? I.V. Stalin, after what he did for the formation of Israel, being a man of Caucasian blood, simply could not present the actions of the leadership of this country as treason. Well, then, on the thumb. When your leadership switched to overt anti-Soviet rhetoric, what was the USSR left to do?
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    You believe it, we do not

    No, believe it, you. Rather, not you, but your leadership.
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    This is what it is.
    We have states, you have Syria and Iran - who has what.

    Iran, yes, Syria, too. There is someone to be proud of. USA, the enemy is not necessary if there is such an ally.
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 December 2015 16: 16 New
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      And, well, to hell, with them, with teeth, if only the Motherland lived.

      learned from him? belay
    2. atalef
      atalef 26 December 2015 16: 28 New
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      Quote: avva2012
      That's interesting. USSR, the first to recognize the state of Israel. The little thing is clear

      Not the first one. Read on this subject.
      The United States was recognized as the first, the first de jure of the USSR.
      But this is due to one small nuance.
      In the USA, de jure - Congress recognizes, but this is still a longer procedure than Comrade Stalin’s word wink Nevertheless, we remember and appreciate it

      Quote: avva2012
      . Then, suddenly, Czechoslovakia began to supply Israel with weapons, why?

      To sell. and she’s not alone, but thanks for the same. Comrade Stalin helped
      Quote: avva2012
      From the USSR, emigration of persons of Jewish nationality is allowed. Yes, not dentists, gynecologists, art critics, as in the Union of the 80s, but soldiers, who just passed the Second World War.

      But this is not true.
      The bulk of those who left after World War II in Israel were Polish Jews and Jews with Polish citizenship in the Baltic states .--- who were evacuated to the USSR
      Quote: avva2012
      People who, even without Czechoslovak weapons, would have torn Arabs. But, nevertheless, without the permission of the Union, there would be no weapon.

      It was, come on without fairy tales
      Quote: avva2012
      When in the history of the USSR, there were such miracles? And what did the United States and Great Britain do at that time? So who is the founder of the state of Israel?

      Jewish people.

      Quote: avva2012
      V. Stalin, after what he did for the formation of Israel, being a man of Caucasian blood, he simply could not imagine the actions of the leadership of this country as treason.

      Learn the story, under Stalin we had a wonderful relationship - Khrushchov ruined everything.
      Read the story
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      No, believe it, you. Or rather, not you, but your leadership

      Do you know this better than us?
      Quote: avva2012
      Iran, yes, Syria, too. There is someone to be proud of.

      Health

      Quote: avva2012
      USA, the enemy is not necessary if there is such an ally.

      As anyone.
  • avva2012
    avva2012 26 December 2015 16: 20 New
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    The government is not engaged in industry - because it is not in its jurisdiction, it only passes laws, and it is already a private business or business with state cooperation to open production.
    This is what Vadim wrote. Tell me, what can be added to this comment?
    What does the government do, in his opinion? He read the Constitution of the Russian Federation? Who carries out lawmaking? Populism, pure water, not a comment.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 December 2015 20: 48 New
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      Our government does not engage in industry; it does not build factories and enterprises; it does not seek sales markets; it promotes those who are involved in all this enacts laws; it helps subsidize the penetration of goods into other markets - at least it should. There is a producer and a consumer in a market economy — the government is not a producer.
  • avva2012
    avva2012 26 December 2015 16: 25 New
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    Quote: atalef
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    And, well, to hell, with them, with teeth, if only the Motherland lived.

    learned from him? belay

    And, for the rest, there are no answers?
    This is your curator,"We have states, you have Syria and Iran - who has what." What don't you like?
    Macaque, like macaque. We have Syria and Iran. And you?