Military Review

The first pancake or briefly about the military-industrial complex of Kazakhstan

107
Introduction


Dear readers "IN"! I dare to present to your judgment my first article. Without having deep knowledge of classification, types, standards, and even more so with the use of this kind of technology, I do not dare to prove which one is faster, stronger and higher. My article will contain a statement of facts collected from media reports, official press releases of companies and statements by various officials related to this topic and the military-industrial complex (hereinafter MIC) of the Republic of Kazakhstan as a whole. As stated above, I am not an expert, and not even a couch warrior. This article will not provide technical details of Paramount Group products. You can find all this in Alex Alexeev’s article “Armored vehicles from the Paramount Group company” from 10 in November 2014 on “BO”.

Plant for the production of armored wheeled vehicles

So from the last News You heard that on November 30, 2015, President of the Republic of Kazakhstan Nursultan Abishevich Nazarbayev visited (according to other sources “opened”) a plant for the production of armored wheeled vehicles sold by a joint venture of Kazakhstan Paramount Engineering LLP, licensed for these activities since November 13, 2015 . The main activity of the plant is the production, maintenance and repair of armored wheeled vehicles, armored personnel carriers:


Arlan 4x4 aka Marauder


Additional information is provided by the website of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan (hereinafter referred to as the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan).


Infographics of a multipurpose maneuverable armored vehicle with protection against “Arlan” mines



Nomad 4x4 aka Maverick



Barys 6X6 aka Mbombe 6


The release of the listed armored vehicles will be possible in modifications. What is not reported. At the same time, Arlan’s hull provides the 3 STANAG protection level, and Barys’s hull provides 3 STANAG-level ballistic protection and 4a and 4b STANAG anti-mine protection.

A promising development direction announced the creation of the modern Barys armored personnel carrier with the wheel formula 8х8. The machine will have a high level of protection and firepower, mobility and high payload. Interestingly, on the official website of Paramaount Group there is no information about armored personnel carriers with the wheel formula 8х8 and, judging by the image that was placed in the shops of the plant at the time of opening, this platform will have a tower with a weapon system by analogy with the BMP-3. Of course, it would not be correct to make assumptions about the caliber and, accordingly, the capabilities of this system, looking at the image of a promising BTR. Let's wait for more details.

The first pancake or briefly about the military-industrial complex of Kazakhstan

Photo from the video reporting television channel "Khabar"


Official factory information: modern high-tech efficient equipment allows you to implement a full cycle of work such as laser cutting of sheet metal, welding armor plates, applying paintwork, assembly work, strict quality control. Technical equipment of the plant involves the solution of a wide range of tasks in the field of production of wheeled vehicles for military and civil purposes. All equipment manufactured at the plant will be manufactured on the basis of international standards, which will allow to sell products both within Kazakhstan and beyond.

According to the Director General of Kazakhstan Paramount Engineering, Yerbol Salimov the company plans to supply 50% of materials for vehicles from the countries of the Customs Union, and work is currently underway on cooperation with KamAZ on the unification of engines, bridges, and various electrical systems. Reached certain agreements.
The volume of investments in the construction of the plant amounted to 7. To 80 mln. Tenge, 150 jobs created, 55 engineers and technical specialists trained in Kazakhstan and abroad. According to the information posted on the e-licensing website of the Republic of Kazakhstan, as of December 2015, Kazakhstan Paramount Engineering attracted only one foreign worker.

If we talk about the markets, then, as mentioned above, the plant has a small share in the country's budget for the needs of the military industrial complex, the plant is focused on the possibility of supplying products abroad and this is confirmed by the signed memorandum with Jordan for the supply of 50 6х6 machines during the next year . The plant management reports that the main equipment supplied for the 2015-2016 year is Arlan 4х4. In general, the production capacity of the plant is 120 machines per year. According to the Tengrinews.kz portal, 50 percent of the plant is owned by foreigners, 50 percent is owned by Kazakhstan Engineering Company.

15 December 2015 of the Year of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan presented a video test, after viewing which the following things can be identified: a) sea trials were conducted in the warm period of the year; b) night firing was carried out 25 June 2015 both in a static position and on the move at distances to the target from 500 to 907 meters, while using weapons with a caliber 12,7 mm (most likely a heavy machine gun); c) judging the inscriptions in Turkish on the screen, the optoelectronic component of the combat module is most likely made by Kazakhstan Aselsan Engineering LLP. Why inscriptions in Turkish, and not in Russian or Kazakh language is worth guessing.

Unfortunately, I could not find information about the dates of the signing of the relevant documents with the Paramount Group on the establishment of the joint venture, perhaps the origins of this transaction can be attributed to the KADEX-2012 exhibition, which was held in Astana in 2012, at which NK Kazakhstan Engineering signed various contracts for 1,8 billion dollars.

As a summary of this section, you can highlight the following points:
Choosing a partner. Paramaount group is the largest private aerospace and defense company in Africa (South Africa). That is, this company is private and from South Africa, which can be conditionally taken as the company's independence from political decisions;
Deep integration.If the plant management has plans to supply 50% materials for equipment from other manufacturers, this means that Paramount Group as a partner really makes serious concessions and is ready for deep cooperation, which once again underlines the benefits of choosing a private company as a partner.

Of course, if there was an opportunity to get acquainted with the feasibility studies for choosing a partner, we could know more reliably why Paramount Group.

Ways of development of the military-industrial complex of the Republic of Kazakhstan

The readers of "VO", as well as the residents of Kazakhstan, do not always understand the logic of our Government regarding the development of the military-industrial complex. Yes, yes, it is, MIC. He is with us, some no, but there is. Perhaps the reader is not familiar with the prevailing realities of the post-Soviet period, when each state needs to build its life or the reader who understands the objectives of the military-industrial complex of the largest country in the world will have difficulty understanding the goals and ways of achieving them. The country's military-industrial complex with a population of 10 is smaller and a small budget.

So the words of the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan Imangali Tasmagambetov, which were voiced during an interview with the social and political newspaper Central Asia Monitor 30 of October 2015 and posted on the official website of the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan, give an idea of ​​the factors affecting the choice of the development strategy of the military-industrial complex:

The strategy of the MIC was developed on the basis of various factors, such as the presence of design bureaus, internal needs, wide possibilities of expert potential, etc. And if we talk about the results of this strategy, the creation in Kazakhstan of modern high-tech industries with the participation of foreign partners can be called "aerobatics" in terms of investment performance.

The picture of the development of the military-industrial complex is complemented by the words of political scientist Marat Shibutov, cited in the article “Are the Kazakh army armed with this or that?” Of the same Central Asia Monitor resource in July at 2015: For our military industrial complex the main goal is to manufacture at least the most common and most used types of ammunition, to carry out partial (non-capital) repair of certain types of military equipment, as well as to release certain types of equipment. For something more substantial, we simply do not have enough strength, even if we could save the entire Soviet potential of our military-industrial complex.

In relation to the procurement strategy: purchased weapons must be sufficiently widespread to change the supplier if necessary; military equipment must have sufficiently common spare parts so that it can be repaired in local conditions; the supplier of weapons and military equipment must be reliable enough to receive timely and high-quality service in the future. Of course, Marat is not a regular soldier and does not work for the MK of the RK and this allows him to be more free than the officials from the MI in his statements.

In principle, theses voiced by Marat are not a secret, and they all follow from:
• the heritage we got after the collapse of the USSR;
• how and what we were able to preserve and not destroy completely;
• The state of the economy and the position of Kazakhstan in the world arena.

Let me add: according to my foreign colleagues (mostly engineering staff from Europe, working in the oil and gas sector), the leadership of our country compared to the leadership of the United Arab Emirates is more reasonable, trying to locate production in Kazakhstan of all that is possible and to increase local content in the output. This is a side view. In this plan of work, we don’t have a clear edge, and if everything were so easy, because corruption blooms with a double color.

As they say, man proposes, and God disposes. And in criminal cases that were started earlier under the Semser self-propelled howitzer and Aibat mortar modernization program, God arranged everything so that Deputy Minister of Defense Lieutenant-General Maermonov Kazhimurat was sentenced to 2013 for 11 years. The case involved other soldiers of the Republic of Kazakhstan and a citizen of Israel. And it all came down to the fact that each of the respondents "signed acts of receiving equipment, knowingly knowing about its malfunction." Read more about this history You can read the article "Aibat self-propelled mortar." International cooperation and corruption scandal "by author Ryabov Kirill on" IN ".

God also arranged the case for the Cobra combat wheeled vehicle, which, according to the commander of the 36 amphibious assault brigade, Major General Dzhumakeev Almaz, was supposed to have been produced in Kazakhstan from 2014 by a joint Kazakh-Turkish venture. But things are there. Whether there is a plant or not is difficult to answer. As if God did not turn everything so that someone else in this case is not planted. According to the scattered information, we can say that the Cobras are supplied to the Turkish assembly in the amount of 10 pieces per year. They are mainly equipped with Airborne troops. He himself witnessed the departure of the 2014 military unit of the Atyrau garrison on the Kobrakh and KamAZ in 41433 to the proving ground.

And as for helicopters, our military-industrial complex seems to be fine: there is a factory, orders, although small, also exist. Eurocopter Kazakhstan Engineering LLP, which owns a plant near Astana, carries out large-scale assembly, painting and assembly of EU-145 helicopters with special equipment, 1 pieces of 2014 were assembled for the Ministry of Emergency Situations and the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan on 20 January. Plans to release and EC-645 T2. It is difficult to report exact figures on the localization of production due to the lack of them in the public domain.

As a summary of this section, you can highlight the following points:
1. From the words of the Minister of Defense to a resident of Kazakhstan it becomes at least something understandable in relation to the development strategy of the country's military-industrial complex. I have a question for you, readers, how would you build a country's strategy in similar conditions?
2. As in any country, we have enough of our corrupt officials. As well as the mistakes that were made at the very beginning of whether another scam, or standing case.
3. Our country is small and everything is on the account of the President. Therefore, the Deputy Minister and the Prime Minister may also be put in prison (Serik Akhmetov, given 10 years). In this regard, a very entertaining show is obtained when you watch a live broadcast of the meeting of the President and the Government. Although at such moments you can gloat, sitting on the couch in front of the screen.

What fate has been prepared for the products of the Kazakhstan Paramount Engineering company and the military-industrial complex of the country as a whole, time will tell.

Based on:
http://www.paramountgroup.biz/media-centre/news/president-of-kazakhstan-opens-world-class-high-tech-defence-industrial-complex/
http://kpe.com.kz/
http://tengrinews.kz/kazakhstan_news/bronirovannyie-mashinyi-nachali-proizvodit-v-astane-285005/
http://www.mod.gov.kz/rus/press-centr/infografika/?rid=2163&cid=0
http://khabar.kz/ru/news/obshchestvo/item/40942-v-2016-godu-vs-rk-poluchat-bolshe-100-otechestvennykh-bronemashin
http://bnews.kz/ru/news/industrializaciya/ekonomika_i_biznes/promishlennost/v_zavod_kolesnih_bronemashin_investirovano_bolee_7_mlrd_tenge__kazahstan_paramaunt_inzhiniring-2015_11_30-1201799
https://tengrinews.kz/tv/novosti/obschestvo/5677/
http://www.mod.gov.kz/rus/press-centr/obzor_pressy/?rid=2070&cid=0
http://camonitor.com/17141-tem-li-i-tak-li-vooruzhena-kazahstanskaya-armiya.html
http://tengrinews.kz/kazakhstan_news/byivshego-vitse-ministra-oboronyi-kazahstana-osudili-na-4-238050/
http://www.mod.gov.kz/rus/parad/texnika_i_vooruzhenie/?rid=726&cid=0
Author:
107 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. Circuit breaker
    Circuit breaker 26 December 2015 06: 14 New
    15
    Interesting, plus to the author !!!
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 26 December 2015 06: 51 New
      +7
      Quote: Circuit breaker
      Interesting, plus to the author !!!

      While it looks like a screwdriver assembly, I specially looked at the site of the Kustanai diesel engine plant, which was part of AvtoUral, so there is a screwdriver assembly Toyota. And so the plant would be useful to both AvtoUral and the Kazakhs for the production of transmissions of Kazakh armored vehicles.
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 26 December 2015 07: 23 New
        11
        Quote: Amurets
        While it looks like a screwdriver assembly.

        I liked Arlan. For such a fishing trip to Kushum on the last ice for a roach nishtyak, probably! good

        And then we about 30 years ago one day on the "Pazik" three days in the steppes in the mud we sat up the steps, and a Kazakh collective farmer stood on the K-700 at a distance and asked for 100 rubles to pull out. Maybe we would have given, if there had been - from the entire bus, with 11 people, we collected a liter of vodka and 30 rubles. They wanted to take away the tractor - he ran away with the tractor ...

        A plus article - the debut is informative. good
        1. MIKHALYCH1
          MIKHALYCH1 26 December 2015 08: 38 New
          +6
          Well done, the author is a good article ...! Although I am a critic of the "wave the saber" criticism, I will not say anything here .. hi The author has specific questions and you won’t even answer right away ... (you need to think) ... Keep up the good work! good
          1. mAgs
            26 December 2015 13: 07 New
            18
            Thanks a lot, 2 has been preparing the week. Time spent a little. Separately, I wanted to say thanks to Sergey for the comments and the administration of the All-Union Military Academy. for assistance in formatting the article. With respect.
            1. NIKNN
              NIKNN 26 December 2015 21: 57 New
              +6
              Congratulations on your debut! In my opinion, a success! good drinks
              1. mAgs
                26 December 2015 22: 01 New
                +3
                Thank you. drinks
    2. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 26 December 2015 08: 49 New
      +4
      For me, our x ... suffer from it, if only to snatch a piece from the state order. There, at least make a deal with the devil, not like with the Turks or Israel. They would really take all the best. And this marauder I think is really good, I watched a video on YouTube, an excellent small armored personnel carrier, but if in the steppe, our climate is more suitable for crawler vehicles.
      1. marshes
        marshes 26 December 2015 10: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: Max_Bauder
        but if in the steppe, caterpillar transport is more suitable for our climate.

        Wheeled is better and faster.
        1. mAgs
          26 December 2015 10: 19 New
          +8
          Fair if dry or if primer.
          1. marshes
            marshes 26 December 2015 10: 38 New
            +4
            Quote: mAgs
            Fair if dry or if primer.

            How long have you traveled to the steppe?
            In inclement weather, it is better to move along the "virgin soil", the so-called primer can turn into a trap. Especially if there is a rut filled there, trucks or tractors. First of all, everything gets wet.
            1. mAgs
              26 December 2015 11: 02 New
              +7
              I agree, but as an exception here in Atyrau, regardless of whether it is a steppe or a primer, the main factor is dryness of the earth. The land is like that. If it rained, that's all, "Amba". hi
              1. Basarev
                Basarev 26 December 2015 13: 47 New
                +1
                Nevertheless, I do not believe in the impassability of the wheels. That BTR-80 for any abyss will pass, and for this it was created. And new technologies in wheeled vehicles, in particular motor wheels, inspire hope in the feasibility of a full-fledged wheeled tank.
      2. Xsanchez
        Xsanchez 26 December 2015 16: 55 New
        0
        As for the reservation: 3 stanag is protection against SVD, and if 12.7mm or 14.5mm, it works right through. The dimensions and carrying capacity of the chassis allow 4 stanag to be installed, probably there is no experience and technology. I think it’s a matter of time, they will deliver. Another big minus of all the equipment shown: very high altitude, and it is dangerous to land on the go, and the target is not bad. Regarding the filling: I think no worse than the competition (here it’s hard to surprise with something special). The minus for the fact that the equipment is not floating, in Kazakhstan, and if exported, they lose to competitors. The lack of side doors is annoying, I understand that this technique is not for fighting and collisions, but still, when ambushed, the ass is immediately cut off by dense fire.
      3. Vita vko
        Vita vko 29 December 2015 23: 04 New
        0
        What is the fate of the products of Kazakhstan Paramount Engineering?

        I am sure that fate will be like everyone else. Such as that of the French Tales Kazakhstan Engineering, like the Israeli Samsers, Nayza and Aybatov for which Lieutenant General Maermanov is still serving his term or Kazakhstan’s satellites - 3 of the 2 launched have been lost.
        Although the author gave an example about the punishment of Serik Akhmetov, but unfortunately he was not at the head of all the corrupt schemes and he did not voice to the head of state ambitious schemes of "innovative development" divorced from reality, on which the country has neither the means, nor the resources, nor the technologies .
  2. Bongo
    Bongo 26 December 2015 07: 08 New
    +6
    Quote author:
    judging by the image that was placed in the shops of the plant at the time of opening, this platform will have a turret with an armament system similar to the BMP-3.


    Of course, there are similarities with the Bakhcha weapon module, but it’s clearly not him, the 30 mm gun is located on the other side.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 26 December 2015 08: 24 New
      +3
      Quote: Bongo

      Of course, there are similarities with the Bakhcha weapon module, but it’s clearly not him, the 30 mm gun is located on the other side.

      Sergey! Hi! From drunken eyes and without lack of experience, the drawings were copied from the wrong side, this happened more than once. And it seems that the French Panar became the base
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 26 December 2015 08: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: Amurets
        Sergey! Hi! From drunken eyes and without lack of experience, the drawings were copied from the wrong side, this happened more than once. And it seems that the French Panar became the base

        Hi Nikolay! I don’t think with “drunken eyes”. Most likely there is an attempt to avoid accusations of plagiarism and not licensed copying.
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 26 December 2015 11: 04 New
          0
          Quote: Bongo
          Most likely there is an attempt to avoid accusations of plagiarism and not licensed copying.

          I’m talking about the same thing, in other words, because this is the usual way to bypass patents.
        2. mAgs
          26 December 2015 15: 50 New
          +2
          Sergey, is it possible to get a license for these towers through the CSTO or at least as a set?
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 26 December 2015 15: 55 New
            +4
            Quote: mAgs
            Sergey, is it possible to get a license for these towers through the CSTO or at least as a set?

            Marseille, Kazakhstan receives S-300P air defense systems and modern fighter jets without any problems. And this is a much more advanced weapon. Not so long ago, BMPTs were purchased from us, which are not yet in service in Russia itself. There would be a desire, and the Bahcha module is freely offered for export. The same BMP-3 is in service in countries not friendly to Russia.
            1. mAgs
              26 December 2015 16: 44 New
              +5
              It became interesting to put some. Regardless of whether it will be based on the paramount, Bakhcha or something else from Russia or "local" production (West Kazakhstan Machine Building Company JSC and Kazakhstan Aselsan Engineering LLP) it will be one confirmation that the Paramount Group as a partner really makes serious concessions and is ready for deep cooperation or denial.
              1. marshes
                marshes 26 December 2015 16: 52 New
                +3
                Quote: mAgs
                About Paramount Group

                Ours could launch hovercraft with them in Uralsk, for the military and oil and gas workers and ChSnikov.
                And one more thing they release. Ahrlac, by the way, UAV can be done on this base.
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym 26 December 2015 19: 20 New
                  +8
                  Guys, do not worry, all the weapons are Russian (we don’t have anything, therefore they write that 50% are from the countries of the CU). South African people are very flexible in this regard, they went to almost all the advanced conditions on our part.
                  The development of the military-industrial complex must be started with ammunition (the most expendable material — cartridges, shells), to drag them through a non-small country takes time, and even more so from another country. And there was an opinion that they grab onto everything in a row. They want to see the benefit — for example, the story of a shipyard in the Caspian — neighbors have everything, so building it just for your own needs may just be unprofitable. It was not possible to save what was left of the Soviet military-industrial complex, for example, the production of Utes, the plant for the repair of armored vehicles had to be restored. Beginning with wheeled armored vehicles support. Who does not know, Eurocopters come out dear to us. Europeans have all calculated that the cost of the finished product is not much different from our output (unprofitably shorter - you won’t normally earn). It is necessary to focus on what is not in the Russian Federation, or not enough. What components. They started to produce optics, incl. night, in Astana - a good thing, the CSTO lacks this. Analogs will simply be more expensive than Russian technology (mass crush). Therefore, it is necessary (if something to improve) to go on cooperation with the Russian Federation and Belarus. And to negotiate with them, so as not to spray money in vain (nevertheless, in the Collective Security Treaty Organization and the EAEU). Those South African cars, for example, do not have special English speakers in the Russian Federation (6 * 6). hi
  3. partizan86
    partizan86 26 December 2015 08: 08 New
    +2
    Marauders to private individuals will be selling the very thing, there will be demand from outdoor enthusiasts)
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 26 December 2015 08: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: partizan86
      Marauders to private individuals will be selling the very thing, there will be demand from outdoor enthusiasts)

      With weapons?
  4. midivan
    midivan 26 December 2015 08: 22 New
    +4
    in the video the machine is very smile here’s another independent suspension instead of springs, since cardans can be lost on stones along the coast, for example, to back up this case with hydraulics that react to the side roll and rubber on the meander swamps, for example, well and the engine is more reliable to protect and a little crazy 5.45 will negate all the armor , then she would have no price yes
  5. Sonch
    Sonch 26 December 2015 08: 29 New
    10
    On the issue of corruption. Tasmagambetov needs to take into account the experience of the Pentagon and expel everyone through the polygraph, who work with secret data in particular. At times, time and people are reduced to get the result, and knowing that they are checking (especially if someone still has a jamb, no one has canceled the human factor) they will not look in the direction of the forest.
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 26 December 2015 08: 37 New
      11
      Quote: Sonech
      Tasmagambetov needs to take into account the experience of the Pentagon and expel everyone through the polygraph, who work with secret data in particular.

      Such a practice in Russia would not hurt to introduce. But as he said "you know who" - If you put everyone in, then who to work with? wassat
      1. andj61
        andj61 26 December 2015 12: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: Bongo
        Quote: Sonech
        Tasmagambetov needs to take into account the experience of the Pentagon and expel everyone through the polygraph, who work with secret data in particular.

        Such a practice in Russia would not hurt to introduce. But as he said "you know who" - If you put everyone in, then who to work with? wassat

        In Russia, it is already in law enforcement when appointing a post, when extending a contract, etc. for three years now they have been tested on a polygraph.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 26 December 2015 12: 42 New
          +3
          Quote: andj61
          In Russia, it is already in law enforcement when appointing a post, when extending a contract, etc. for three years now they have been tested on a polygraph.

          The special services also, however, this does not concern officials.
          1. andj61
            andj61 26 December 2015 13: 13 New
            +5
            Quote: Bongo
            Quote: andj61
            In Russia, it is already in law enforcement when appointing a post, when extending a contract, etc. for three years now they have been tested on a polygraph.

            The special services also, however, this does not concern officials.

            Yes, there is much in the world, friend Horatio, which our sages did not dream of. bully
            The untouchables or something ... request
          2. user
            user 26 December 2015 21: 56 New
            0
            however, officials are not affected


            However, when applying to any educational institution, starting from a kindergarten and ending with a university, a certificate is required from the Ministry of Internal Affairs at the place of residence, about not being convicted and not attracted.
    2. Valera-xxx
      Valera-xxx 26 December 2015 11: 22 New
      +6
      Totally agree with you. Given our mentality, it’s clear that many people have a stigma in the gun and do not need to do punitive operations like "You will answer for everything for us!" Here it is necessary to approach and say easier and wiser: The guys from January 1, 2017 will all go through the polygraph, where one question will be asked: Have you pointed out / squandered, concealed, cashed something while in service since 2017? Yes or no! The action will be called: We will live now in a new way! (C)
    3. APASUS
      APASUS 26 December 2015 11: 35 New
      +4
      Quote: Sonech
      On the issue of corruption. Tasmagambetov needs to take into account the experience of the Pentagon and expel everyone through the polygraph, who work with secret data in particular. At times, time and people are reduced to get the result, and knowing that they are checking (especially if someone still has a jamb, no one has canceled the human factor) they will not look in the direction of the forest.

      You are just a naive person once you think everything is so simple!
      In the West, they steal no less, or even more, it is simply furnished with very competent concepts. For example, presentation deductions from which people drink, drive to striptease bars, carry customers. There are bonuses for lobbying, concluding contracts, payments for options for additional services. I I'm not talking about advertising costs concluded in place with military contracts and a number of studies on the relationship of society to certain types of weapons.
      Just no one shows you the other side of the business hiding behind a "trade secret"!
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 26 December 2015 13: 51 New
        +2
        I would still prefer punitive actions. Somehow more effective and efficient. And they also have the most effective portable lie detector - if you just take the stealing official by the neck, he immediately confesses everything, says everything as it is, even does not know.
  6. Turkestan
    Turkestan 26 December 2015 09: 12 New
    +2
    Kazakhstan has nothing for itself a small country.
    Kazakhstan takes the 9th place among the countries of the world in terms of the territory’s territory (2 million 724,9 thousand km²), and the second place among the CIS countries (after Russia).

    Recently, many businessmen from the ministries of defense of the CIS countries are trying to buy military equipment over the hill, forgetting that they are buying not a beautiful toy, but equipment that MUST be able to fight. Often satisfied when buying imported equipment or a LICENSE for production, COMMERCERS from the army do not understand (or maybe understand) that after the purchase they will go on the so-called RELATED costs, this is the purchase of documentation for equipment, training of personnel, ammunition for weapons systems, CWR, GIZA, Fuels and lubricants, equipment for servicing this equipment, etc. Sometimes the financial costs of maintaining and servicing this equipment exceed several times. And the main value of this military equipment for the army should be given not by beautiful brochures and commercials, but by those military personnel who will fight on it.
    1. mAgs
      26 December 2015 10: 08 New
      +5
      About the area is understandable. That's just the population is not enough. Merchants, merchants. The question in such cases to the procurement generals.
      Of the total number of vehicles, the cobra and the Humvee (land rovers and SOP equipment do not count) make up a small fraction. Everything else is Soviet (air defense, artillery, infantry fighting vehicles, tanks, armored personnel carriers, aircraft) or Russian-Kazakh production. From conditionally new Aibat on the basis of mtlb, Semser on the basis of KamAZ, naiza also KamAZ. There are Chinese truck tractors. So in my opinion, there is still a balance. With respect.
    2. mAgs
      26 December 2015 10: 17 New
      +5
      Your comment on the cost is fair. In the matter of supplying the latest modern means (Arlans (not yet confirmed, but it’s understandable), Humveys, land rovers, cobras, c-295) have only one problem, all of which goes to the most combat-ready units, airmobile troops. They are most often satisfied with the exercises, checks. From which it follows that the technique will be subject to more intense wear.
      1. marshes
        marshes 26 December 2015 10: 40 New
        +4
        Quote: mAgs
        ) there is only one problem, all of it goes to the most combat-ready units, airmobile troops.

        That's why they are AERO-MOBILE.
  7. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 26 December 2015 09: 40 New
    +2
    Of course, it would be useful for Kazakhstan to pursue its independent policy in the field of military technology, within the framework of military orders and needs, but I would like to emphasize that we would like to solve the most important areas of the military-industrial complex in the cooperation of the leading engineers of our countries, because our allied relations are not limited only by the customs union. An option when each country ally creates its own military shield in its capsule is not very rational. Regarding armored vehicles, there should be an exchange of experience.
    1. mAgs
      26 December 2015 10: 58 New
      +6
      that the most important areas of the military-industrial complex would be solved in the cooperation of leading engineers of our countries I hope so. However, the creation of arlan production is not the most important issue. in this case, the support from the future subcontractors (KAMAZ engines, hodovka) will be more important. You'll laugh, but according to the information on 2012 perhaps soon there will be production of own powder in Kazakhstan. This was agreed upon by the Main Directorate of Ammunition of the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan, Alma DK LLP and Kazan State Powder Plant. In addition to the production of gunpowder, it is planned to produce powder charges for an 125-mm practical projectile based on Alma DK LLP in the city of Arys. That is, the powder plant was not. From the news, with 2012 negotiations are underway with the Lugansk Cartridge Plant for the acquisition of technology and equipment. And what to 2016 built ammunition plant. I do not know yet whose it is "Steel Manufacturing", but the bullets will be caliber 5,45x39; 7,62x54; 9x18; 9x19
      1. marshes
        marshes 26 December 2015 11: 09 New
        +3
        Quote: mAgs
        From the news, since 2012 negotiations are underway with the Lugansk cartridge plant for the acquisition of technologies and equipment

        This is the DNI, so you can forget about the cartridge factory.
        According to the cartridges of the saga since 2004, either the Kyrgyz wanted to buy a line, then 2008 the South Koreans had to build so this is for a long time ... smile Asses from chairs will not be torn off without fat rollback ...
        I’m wondering how we agreed with Paramount because of a possible joint business in South Africa, and the nearest countries of that region.
        Kamaz? There is mainly MAN and armor is probably Rhine metal, by the way, in the spring with them KI signed a memorandum of cooperation.
        1. mAgs
          26 December 2015 13: 20 New
          +4
          Yes, h.ren with him, with the cartridge plant (of course, cartridges are also needed). It turns out that even the powder was not produced. belay!
        2. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 26 December 2015 22: 15 New
          +1
          swamps "This is the DPR, so you can forget about the cartridge factory."
          I mean?))) Lugansk plant in Lugansk is the LPR.
          1. marshes
            marshes 26 December 2015 22: 31 New
            +2
            Quote: Nagaibak
            swamps "This is the DPR, so you can forget about the cartridge factory."
            I mean?))) Lugansk plant in Lugansk is the LPR.

            Well LC.
  8. marshes
    marshes 26 December 2015 10: 31 New
    +5
    Regarding overcoming the Arlan site with wet soil, which is in the video. Not bad.
    He himself at one time was a witness, after heavy rain the salt marsh "withered". The first one was 80, the mech. Water took a left to the left and after it 2 flopped into the mess. The tank would have come out.
    Sodic saline is something that dries like concrete.
    It would not be bad for us to buy or assemble a large number of Ruikats for mobile units.
  9. dison
    dison 26 December 2015 10: 41 New
    0
    The exuberance is off the charts. smile
  10. Valera-xxx
    Valera-xxx 26 December 2015 11: 15 New
    +2
    night firing was carried out on June 25, 2015 both in a static position and on the move at distances from 500 to 907 meters
    Night shooting was carried out at a distance of 1300 m. We look at the monitor in the bottom row in the middle.
    1. mAgs
      26 December 2015 12: 55 New
      +3
      shooting at 1300 meters in the last frames was just a couple of seconds. It is difficult to build conclusions about hit accuracy.
  11. Valera-xxx
    Valera-xxx 26 December 2015 11: 28 New
    +1
    Filling and equipment from KZshny manufacturers:

    The combat module is designed for remote firing and surveillance in all weather conditions, as well as at night and daytime. The observation is carried out thanks to the built-in electron-optical system, which combines a thermal imaging camera, a day-vision camera, a laser range finder and a weather sensor. The module was created as part of inter-factory cooperation between Kazakhstan Aselsan Engineering LLP, Petropavlovsk Heavy Engineering Plant JSC and West Kazakhstan Engineering Company JSC

    Armor plates - JSC "ARSELORMITTAL TEMIRTAU"

    Armament - JSC West Kazakhstan Engineering Company

    Seats, rubber products - JSC "TYNYS"

    Fuel tanks - Petropavlovsk Heavy Engineering Plant JSC

    Armament - and JSC West Kazakhstan Engineering Company

    Night Vision, Surveillance Devices, Thermal Imagers - Kazakhstan Aselsan Engineering LLP

    Radio communication- Plant them. Kirova (Petropavlovsk)
    1. marshes
      marshes 26 December 2015 11: 33 New
      +2
      You at least give a link from where you got it.
      Sounds like SWAN. smile
  12. Talgat 148
    Talgat 148 26 December 2015 11: 35 New
    +6
    In the salt marsh everything is built up !!! And the onboard KAMAZ, and T-72, and BMP, and even the BTR-80. It all depends on the driver !!! To make MRAP you need to sacrifice cross-country ability ...
    I was at this plant, the first batch is assembled from armor purchased somewhere in Europe, deployed in Karaganda, Kamaz-Kamins engines, a combat module from Kazakhstan-Aselsan engineering, a large-caliber machine gun NSVP-12.7 mm from Uralsk! Already now you can see 50% of the localization of production! The drivers' glasses were tested by guys whom I know well, they fired from 12.7x99 mm McMillana with ordinary cartridges, the bullets did not penetrate the glass, it cracked with a cobweb and the third got stuck in the glass! Wash it means something. And 7.62x54 and 7.62x39 armor-piercing bullets do not penetrate at all! I'm silent about the corps!
    1. marshes
      marshes 26 December 2015 11: 42 New
      +1
      Well, it remains to rejoice when they enter the troops.
    2. marshes
      marshes 26 December 2015 12: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: Talgat 148
      the first batch is assembled from armor purchased somewhere in Europe, cut out in Karaganda

      What is it that they built a plant and there’s nothing to do with metal cutting or there’s nothing to do with it. Does this remind me of one enterprise, budget money? Maybe it’s private, they’ve added money, they built a good equipment and they don’t work for anyone, it works half way. Or another factory, it’s being built and then they think where to take the raw materials, then that in the region, the scrap metal was processed in two years. And the owner then put up for sale, it looks like he washed the grandmother and legalized it.
      So all the enterprises built according to the state program need to be checked. They built it, built it, mastered the money and abandoned it.
      PSThis is so for the NURBOTS, I look, they also come here.
      1. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu 26 December 2015 15: 50 New
        +4
        Quote: Max_Bauder
        caterpillar transport is more suitable for our climate
        .
        Quote: marshes
        Better and faster on wheels
        How would not understand the essence of the dispute wink Both are necessary. Just priority wheelset of course. Not special, say 80% on 20% ..
        Quote: Talgat 148
        Already, you can see the 50% localization of production!
        We know this "localization" no
        Just give a comment Aeneas for understanding this "arithmetic":
        Nah, well, this is an armored car, a less intelligent technique. Of course, having made a car case or even BeTeRa, one can say that 75% is local. And this is also true, for this is the 2 / 3 of the unit weight. But after all, the 2 / 3 values ​​are made up of other, so to speak, of a higher division, the components: combat module, dvigun, transmission, control systems etc.
        .
        Quote: marshes
        They built something built, money mastered and abandoned.
        We had this topic in the area. I was writing, because I think this freebie will not be. State to get away from monoculture, i.e. wheat, subsidized oilseed - rape, flax, and so on. And what did our "farmers". Stupidly planted and did not even clean grown. Allocated money, and so enough for "blackjack with whores"
        Even flaunt it. So it may well that the crisis
        Quote: marshes
        and who does not work, works in force
        We have exactly the same topic in Kostanay region .. It goes to dozens, if it has not exceeded a hundred already ..
        Quote: Alibekulu
        Well, carefully look at the Ukraine ..
        This is what I need. We wrote in our media that representatives of their factories came.
        In general, the theme is "I agree on everything, everything is very clear .."
        The Russian market has failed, they have no choice ..
        Quote: marshes
        create one car concern producing the entire line of cars.
        That would be "John Deere" lure. Under any conditions. 10 summer tax holidays. Unlike cars, we have quite a capacious self-sufficient domestic market for agricultural equipment. Not so acute will be the question "where to shove it all."
        About 15 years ago Kn consumed 1 / 3 products of the Rostelmash and 1 / 3 Sibselmash combines and how many more imported ..
        1. marshes
          marshes 26 December 2015 16: 07 New
          +4
          Quote: Alibekulu
          As if I did not understand the essence of the dispute Both of these are necessary. Just priority is wheeled of course. Not special, let's say 80% to 20% ..

          You just need to decide who needs it, for Air Mobility Mobility and the National Guard. And the rest of the harp and heavy BMP.
          Quote: Alibekulu
          So it may be good that the crisis

          Everything becomes visible.
          Quote: Alibekulu
          That would be "John Deere" lure.

          I learned about him in the mid-90s from a soldier, by the way, from Kustanai. So I asked how they live. They say that there’s such a combine, awesome comfort, they raised that kind of money with their father. Because in the internet, they say the same thing works once a year machines after suffering changes. In Germany, as I understand it did not leave.
          In principle, it was necessary to invest and verify more money in the agricultural sector.
          Uncle rose due to meat, but now he doesn’t worry that green took off, there would have been a demand. Some of the agricultural equipment was updated in the fat years, although Chinese equipment has no problems with spare parts, there are service centers, a bazaar and the Internet. He’ll have enough technology for five years and then let his brother-in-law think. smile
          1. Alibekulu
            Alibekulu 26 December 2015 16: 43 New
            +7
            Quote: marshes
            Mol combine is such an awesome comfort
            Comfort in it is not important. Dofiga and other comparable in this. "Cases", "Classes" are many in general. The important thing in him is that it stupidly does not break .. belay
            We now have Armenians "fall" .. Regarding, of course - I would get so. Here theirs with Akim intermarried. One even zamakim Kostanay was. And under "their" akim they fouled the house-building factory. Now Archimedes has come and they have popandos. Suddenly wassat it turned out that their panel houses are more expensive than brick fool ?!

            And so, it is necessary to make sense of the experience of hostilities in the Ukraine, in my humble opinion.
            The emphasis on communication, drones, well, stupidly upgrade Kalash - collimators, night vision and so on. In general, do what is inexpensive to do in a crisis ..
            1. marshes
              marshes 26 December 2015 17: 04 New
              +1
              Quote: Alibekulu
              We have the Armenians "get".

              About Armenians heard, read smile And Archimedes say not a bad akim.
              Quote: Alibekulu
              And so, it is necessary to make sense of the experience of hostilities in the Ukraine, in my humble opinion.
              The emphasis on communication, drones, well, stupidly upgrade Kalash - collimators, night vision and so on. In general, do what is inexpensive to do in a crisis ..

              I agree, even medium-sized trucks are not bad, for the army all-wheel drive for the people and the rear is enough, otherwise Zil-130 and Gas-53 are gradually dying. And the car is needed.
              The same Jihad mobiles, all-wheel drive pickups are in demand here, in the summer before the Mitsuba L-200 “jumped”, it quickly left. A relative of Toyota ...
              Yes, and even master the production of compact MLRS like the Chinese 107 mm and ammunition for it. Maybe even in the caliber of 90 mm. smile
              The simplest ATGMs, shots to RPGs, including fragmentation rounds, etc. ... on the little things. Not in large quantities.
              1. mAgs
                26 December 2015 17: 12 New
                +1
                Archimetus good akim. The area pulled up. That's just taking big kickbacks. Therefore pushed.
                1. marshes
                  marshes 26 December 2015 17: 22 New
                  +1
                  Quote: mAgs
                  Archimetus good akim. The area pulled up. That's just taking big kickbacks. Therefore pushed.

                  So he is still at his post, moved Saduakasova.
                  1. mAgs
                    26 December 2015 21: 30 New
                    +3
                    I say pushed meaning from Aktobe region
                2. Alibekulu
                  Alibekulu 26 December 2015 22: 45 New
                  +4
                  Quote: marshes
                  About Armenians heard, read
                  Armenians still fine. About Gypsies have not heard? laughing
                  In general, they were grabbing, as if they were in a hurry to be in time before they were removed.
                  The funny thing is that they were removed because they were in a hurry to have time to grab ..
                  Well, the worst thing is that because of these for a long time Kostanay people will not be in power ..
                  Quote: marshes
                  I agree, even medium-tonnage trucks are not bad
                  KrAZ vehicles soldier the truth is not middleweights, but ..
                  Quote: mAgs
                  That's just taking big kickbacks.
                  30 percent .. Here the Russians are being driven to Kasyanov, they are being called a liberator, and he took it all godly - 2%
                  By the way, information for consideration -
                  Nephew Nursultan Nazarbayev became the first deputy head of the National Security Committee of Kazakhstan
                  Samat Abish was appointed the first deputy chairman of the National Security Committee (NSC) of Kazakhstan, the state news agency Kazinform reports. According to media and information ...
                  The family is preparing to defend the "Iron Throne" am
                  1. marshes
                    marshes 26 December 2015 23: 03 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Alibekulu
                    The family is preparing to defend the "Iron Throne"

                    The fate of the former chairman is interesting, as if he would not become the head of the upper house.
                    Quote: Alibekulu
                    Armenians still fine. About Gypsies have not heard?

                    Damn, I have not met Armenians with Gypsies in a long time, along the way they all migrated to the north. smile Well, except for gastrobayters, gypsies, lyuli, and even that is a rarity.
                    Quote: Alibekulu
                    KrAZ trucks are not middleweights, but ..

                    I’ll say one thing, you won’t cook porridge with them. Not even that ... You can forget about Ukraine. There’s half the country on the suitcases to tear out the country.
                    Better Gas, will agree with Deripaska.
            2. Cap.Morgan
              Cap.Morgan 26 December 2015 21: 02 New
              0
              The emphasis is now on new technology. Three-line war cannot be won.
  13. The comment was deleted.
  14. The comment was deleted.
  15. Valera-xxx
    Valera-xxx 26 December 2015 12: 17 New
    +1
    Top Gear assembly - mine test video
  16. 31rus
    31rus 26 December 2015 12: 30 New
    +2
    Dear, of course, it’s good that Kazakhstan goes its own way in the creation of the armed forces, here the electronic stuffing is just the main thing, so that in the event of hostilities there would be the possibility of interaction, at all levels, including between the crews of such vehicles, that this equipment is necessary to say and the police of any country, we’ll wait for a more complete story about the news of the Kazakhstani armed forces, I’m sure the range of modifications will expand
    1. marshes
      marshes 26 December 2015 12: 42 New
      +3
      Thank you!
      But it all depends on the markets for this specific product. Russia and China are unlikely to purchase. Other countries in the region are poor. Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan remain. And their market is small. Jordan was well at least interested.
      So it remains to hope that in parallel and civilian products will be produced.
  17. Alibekulu
    Alibekulu 26 December 2015 13: 45 New
    +5
    I have a question for you, readers, how would you build a country's strategy in similar conditions?
    The problem is that there is no single concept, algorithm, "road program" of actions.
    Perhaps there is an understanding, but it is divided into the interests of the FIGs (clans), which "master" the defense state order.
    Quote: marshes
    So it remains to hope that in parallel and civilian products will be produced.
    Again, you can look at the experience of UzDaew. And we have forbs - they release everything in Chokh - sanyongi, jilly, skoda, kia .. and so on.
    It was probably easier to concentrate on one concern, linking the largest percentage of localization. "Full cycle". For example, "Donfeng", which produces trucks including military and so the whole line of cars.
    And to produce all these "Marauders", "Mbome" on its basis. Well, and transplant state structures on cars "Donfeng". And for sales - a "light" subsidized loan.
    And so I like this good :


    By the way, a very interesting experience in this case is how the Brazilians raised their Embrair to the wing. I note that one of the users of "VO" wrote that not far off for inexpensive, the Skoda concern was sold. Well, look carefully at Ukraine ..
    Quote: marshes
    Remains Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan.
    Again, it is probably high time to build cooperation with them.
    1. marshes
      marshes 26 December 2015 14: 14 New
      +4
      Quote: Alibekulu
      It was probably easier to concentrate on one concern, linking the largest percentage of localization. "Full cycle".

      I agree with you, create one auto concern producing the entire line of cars.
      Quote: Alibekulu
      , which is not far off for inexpensive, the Skoda concern was sold

      Not a bad car by the way, but expensive.
      Not long ago, a car test was carried out along the same route, Camryuha 30 and ours, Ustkamanskaya, Octavia. The hodovka is stronger than on Toyota, it would be more comfortable to say yes and the stove is warmer. Minus is a weak engine 1.6, but expensive for spare parts. Plus in galvanized iron , a rigid body and powerful amplifiers under the bumpers. But settled on Foltz Passat B-5, restyled, Same octavia.
      Pahan at Fabia, he’s not going to change, although he offered him a Yaris almost fresh and with automatic transmission.
      On Skoda, weak engines with a low resource is what the Foltz would not create competition.
  18. Zymran
    Zymran 26 December 2015 13: 56 New
    +2
    Quote: Alibekulu
    And so I like this good:


    I dream of becoming a Cadillac called. :)
    1. marshes
      marshes 26 December 2015 14: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: Zymran
      I dream of becoming a Cadillac called. :)

      They have nameplates similar to Geely.
      In the photo is Gili Es8.Although copying is possible.
  19. Orionvit
    Orionvit 26 December 2015 14: 37 New
    -7
    Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
    Well done, the author is a good article ...! Although I am a critic of the "wave the saber" criticism, I will not say anything here .. hi The author has specific questions and you won’t even answer right away ... (you need to think) ... Keep up the good work! good

    In my wishful thinking. Kazakh defense industry. This is that new joke. The debut is good, but there is a clear tendency for URA. Even in Russia, military-industrial complex is collected in parts after the collapse, with retained (at least partially) specialists. Sorry for the immodest question, but who will produce? Highly qualified Kazakhs? An acquaintance visited Uralsk four years ago, he said that the remaining Russians work mainly at the enterprises. And where is the Kazakh component in this project? 50 percent ownership?
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 26 December 2015 15: 10 New
      +7
      This is rabid racism. (with)

      Here, for example, the Lokomotiv kurastyru collective (General Electric locomotive assembly plant)



      LG factory in Almaty

      http://profit.kz/photos/74/Zavod-LG-v-Almati/
    2. mAgs
      26 December 2015 16: 16 New
      10
      First of all. That's just not necessary here to broadcast nationalist garbage! I will not discuss the level of intelligence of various nations. Neither I do not work in the personnel department of the plant to have information about the national composition of the work teams.
      Secondly. Where is at least one word about the desires in the article? Did the plant open? Opened. Are there any orders? There is. Apparatus entered service? Not known Is there a cooperation? I believe that the fact of cooperation is not confirmed yet. Maybe in the spring on a cadex someone will be able to climb on the arlan and the hodovka engine to take a picture. Strategy MIC is? There is. Do they steal? Steal. Is planted? They plant. Everyone? We do not know. Cases MIC moving? Yes. Where? Not everyone understands. Who will work at the factory? Citizens of Kazakhstan.
      With respect.
    3. Talgat 148
      Talgat 148 27 December 2015 11: 12 New
      0
      Everywhere Kazakhstanis work !!! Clear???!!
  20. Babalaykin
    Babalaykin 26 December 2015 16: 42 New
    +3
    As I understood from the article, Kazakhstan has no opportunity to carry out major repairs of tanks and other available equipment. On the basis of such factories it would be possible to organize alteration and modernization of equipment, I understand that not everything is so simple, but the road will overpower the road.

    There is no production of ammunition and other ammunition, and no one is selling the line? In this case, it was necessary for diplomats-buyers to plow Lugansk and Donetsk, not in their position was to refuse interesting offers (however, as now). We need complete lines for the production of different types of small arms, ammunition and ammunition for tanks and artillery.

    Helicopters Eurocopter. what is the resource of their engines? What is the average raid per year? Besides the fact that in the 90s green collective Dutch tractors and fiats appeared on our collective farm - a term appeared in my head - the half-life of the tractors, every spring of the two were collected, the remains in scrap metal. In the case of an embargo, we will take leushki mi 8 from Russia.

    Why is the maximum opportunity to purchase equipment in Russia, as previously reported, at prices for the Russian army? I think the answer to this question in many spins in my head.
    1. mAgs
      26 December 2015 17: 03 New
      +3
      In my answer to the last question is obvious: do not put all the eggs in one basket. Probably trying to keep the balance. There is also an economic aspect: any economist will tell you about the impact on the economy of a country with the usual purchase of equipment and with the release of the same technology in the country with the maximum possible localization of materials at the moment. And so it turns out that Arlan becomes the “firstborn” just for ground forces. With respect.
      1. Babalaykin
        Babalaykin 26 December 2015 17: 20 New
        +1
        So then it is, but I do not remember the kiddies on this issue. Yes, and IMHO it was possible to promote the same KAMAZ at a joint venture with production on the spot. About the production of armor for BMok is also unclear, is it stupidly poured or is there any technology there? I do not think that in Temirtau there is the possibility of producing armor, and not just ingots of a certain shape.

        In my opinion, the production of BMok and the purchase of cartridges and shells in Russia are not eggs in different baskets, rather beautiful eggs in a basket, and not very - in a cellophane bag. With respect hi
    2. marshes
      marshes 26 December 2015 17: 12 New
      +3
      Quote: Babalaykin
      , Kazakhstan has no opportunity to carry out major repairs of tanks and other available equipment. On the basis of such factories it would be possible to organize alteration and modernization of equipment, I understand that not everything is so simple, but the road will overpower the road.

      Semey Engineering does this, the tanks there are completely disassembled then assembled.
      Quote: Babalaykin
      There is no production of ammunition and other ammunition, and no one is selling the line? In this case, it was necessary for diplomats-buyers to plow Lugansk and Donetsk, not in their position was to refuse interesting offers (however, as now). We need complete lines for the production of different types of small arms, ammunition and ammunition for tanks and artillery.

      Well, KI’s “songs” have been sung about this for a long time, I don’t understand why they don’t realize it.
      Quote: Babalaykin
      Why is the maximum opportunity to purchase equipment in Russia not used?

      Not all of Russia sells to us, only after much persuasion. The export iskander was refused, and many others. another.
      And the Eurocopter is not a bad spinner, in addition to assembling in Astana, the EU can do repairs, there are stands, there are trainers for flight mechanics and pilots, now Turkmens are studying. And in general, in Astana, the EU service center in Central Asia.
      1. Babalaykin
        Babalaykin 26 December 2015 17: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: marshes
        Semey Engineering does this, the tanks there are completely disassembled then assembled.

        If so then this is good, now we need to expand our capabilities up to alterations in the same terminators, albeit in the light version, without any frills. As far as I remember, we have more tanks than necessary, and it’s possible to try on them apart from remelting.


        Quote: marshes
        Iskander export refused and many others. other

        In my opinion, Iskander for KA, that goat is a button accordion. Judging by the latest trends in local conflicts, and we need to prepare for these, Kazakhstan should focus on conventional weapons.

        Quote: marshes
        in Astana service center for the EU in Central Asia

        I will remain with my opinion, no matter what mechanics are, in the absence of spare parts, one of two at best.
        1. marshes
          marshes 26 December 2015 17: 46 New
          +3
          Quote: Babalaykin
          If so then this is good, now we need to expand our capabilities up to alterations in the same terminators, albeit in the light version, without any frills. As far as I remember, we have more tanks than necessary, and it’s possible to try on them apart from remelting.

          So they lobbied for the creation of the BMPT-72 and silence ... Decide how they will pay or politics.
          Tanks are sorted out until paint is removed. They are modernized. There, in Semey, a BM was installed on the BMP-1, the BRDM was converted into a KShM, the Chinese combat modules were installed on the old BTR70-80, and so on ...
          Quote: Babalaykin
          In my opinion, Iskander for KA, that goat is a button accordion. Judging by the latest trends in local conflicts, and we need to prepare for these, Kazakhstan should focus on conventional weapons.

          But the DOTS are exploited. smile
          Quote: Babalaykin
          I will remain with my opinion, no matter what mechanics are, in the absence of spare parts, one of two at best.

          What year they fly, plus the EU private traders are standing near Almaty. A friend has been flying the EU-10 for more than 135 years, private traders. And in the summer in the delta OR they flied like flies.
          1. Babalaykin
            Babalaykin 26 December 2015 18: 08 New
            0
            Quote: marshes
            So they lobbied for the creation of the BMPT-72

            There was also a topic on remaking 72x in our version, modernization. Was even on a cadex. The topic died out even faster than with the terminator.

            Quote: marshes
            BMP-1 vasek installed

            Why then did Aibat do? Of course I understand that there is automation and all that. But judging by the news and comments, it didn’t work out very well. BRDM also seen on cadex - like filling from the promised land. Could it be like with Aybat?

            Quote: marshes
            But the DOTS are exploited.

            Previously and thicker missiles were, however, a relic of the Soviet past. Or they delivered new ones, I don’t think.

            Quote: marshes
            10 years flies on the EU-135, h


            In no case do I claim that the helicopter is bad. We simply do not have a similar helicopter. MI-6 is outdated, MI-8 is a workhorse but the size is not the same.
            1. marshes
              marshes 26 December 2015 18: 27 New
              +3
              Quote: Babalaykin
              There was also a topic on remaking 72x in our version, modernization. Was even on a cadex. The topic died out even faster than with the terminator.

              There was even a memorandum with UVZ, but something “happened” and the enterprise cannot communicate directly with the customer, bypassing the government. They managed to purchase BTR-82.
              Quote: Babalaykin
              Why then did Aibat do? Of course I understand that there is automation and all that. But judging by the news and comments, it didn’t work out very well. BRDM also seen on cadex - like filling from the promised land. Could it be like with Aybat?

              Well, the car, in principle, is not bad, what the LMS costs, but the performance was disappointing, and the contract was cunning, that the Israelis had all the rights. And they counted on mass release. So the defendants sat down and the SOLTAM company went bankrupt, then it seemed like Elbit bought it. Yes and the chassis not successful chosen, could BMD, adjustable clearance, set and they are not.
              In BRDM our equipment can be said ASELANovsoe.
              Quote: Babalaykin
              In no case do I claim that the helicopter is bad. We simply do not have a similar helicopter. MI-6 is outdated, MI-8 is a workhorse but the size is not the same.

              There is a Mi-26, the military does not need it, one MANPADS or ATGM and all. In ChSnikov it is in the fire variant.
              And instead of MI-8, if there is an EU-725, by the way, they are flying with us.
              1. Babalaykin
                Babalaykin 26 December 2015 18: 41 New
                +2
                [quote = swamps]. BTR-82 managed to buy the good. [/ quote]
                I saw a police tiger in Astana. So not everything is so sad.

                [quote = swamps] In BRDM our equipment can be said ASELANovsoe. [/ quote]
                When discussing here, the impression was that just BRDM was ours, and all that was above and inside from foreign tourists. Perhaps from Aselsan.

                [quote = swamps] Mi-26 is, the military does not need it, one MANPADS or ATGM and all. In ChSnikov it is in the fire variant.
                Duc for different topics of the machine, Mi-26 is KamAZ, Mi-8 is a gazelle. And it so happened that businessmen and bosses on kamaz and gazelles do not move. And here the Eurocopter appears, for the movement itself. For the same IMHO rescuers, a Mi-8 class helicopter is preferable.
                1. marshes
                  marshes 26 December 2015 18: 55 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Babalaykin
                  I saw a police tiger in Astana. So not everything is so sad.

                  I’m an Israeli Cat, Spartan, A shot from Kamaz, I saw along the Tiger, by the way this time they refused to purchase for BB (NG) referring to sanctions, foreign components. And also Cobra and Hamvi ...
                  Quote: Babalaykin
                  Mi-26 is a Kamaz

                  He goes astray, in Chechnya and Dagestan it was.
                  Quote: Babalaykin
                  . For the same IMHO rescuers, a Mi-8 class helicopter is preferable.

                  I do not know a cousin in Emergency 145 praises, nimble and nimble.
                  1. Babalaykin
                    Babalaykin 26 December 2015 19: 19 New
                    +3
                    Quote: marshes
                    referring to sanctions

                    those. We’re not looking at the situation in Russia for the first time and are going to their own rake, and the topic is exactly the question of Eurocopter. A helicopter is any more complicated thing than motors Kamins or transmission mans. Again, literally last week, an interesting case occurred when "democracy" disappeared in a couple of days in Azerbaijan and "violations of human rights" rose in total. With all the ensuing consequences. It's no secret that such a topic can happen to any country.

                    Quote: marshes
                    He goes astray, in Chechnya and Dagestan it was.

                    this is transport, not a combat helicopter, it does not have a place where there are MANPADS, etc.

                    Quote: marshes
                    I do not know a cousin in Emergency 145 praises, nimble and nimble.

                    Of course, because it is smaller, and technically possible perfect, the Mi-8 is also obsolete, but it is constantly being upgraded, unlike the Mi-6. The payload is different, and the fuel consumption of the Mi-8 is worse.
                    1. marshes
                      marshes 26 December 2015 19: 38 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Babalaykin
                      this is transport, not a combat helicopter, it does not have a place where there are MANPADS, etc.

                      So one was shot down by MANPADS in the "cleared territory." Killed 127 people, as it is now fashionable, Rota, Karl, a whole company! Another on the ground with ATGM.
                      Quote: Babalaykin
                      Of course, because it is smaller, and technically possible perfect, the Mi-8 is also obsolete, but it is constantly being upgraded, unlike the Mi-6. The payload is different, and the fuel consumption of the Mi-8 is worse.

                      What kind of Mi-6, they haven’t been around for a long time. 26 they did repairs in Novosib and didn’t want to give it up until they took the lawsuit on the fact of the crash of the Mi-8, he also passed the technical regulations there, the case was hushed up, the story is dark. That’s left in the Russian Federation. parts will not be delivered? So for helicopters, planes must be bought from two different suppliers.
                      1. Babalaykin
                        Babalaykin 26 December 2015 19: 51 New
                        +2
                        Quote: marshes
                        Killed 127 people

                        Which incidentally fell on the minefield and I remember the few survivors could not get out of there. Certainly a tragedy.
                        Operation planning errors, lack of intelligence. data on the presence of MANPADS in the area. Rash management decision, etc. but this does not plead with the capabilities of the helicopter, which was created as far as I remember to deliver missiles to hard-to-reach regions.
                        The dead is eternal memory!
                      2. Kasym
                        Kasym 26 December 2015 23: 39 New
                        +2
                        Eugene, factory number 405 in Alma-Ata for the repair of Mi-8 (the whole region is repairing 8-ki there). There are plans for the assembly of the Ka-226. It was necessary to collect Eurocopters there.
                        Tochka-U was going to after the collapse in Petropavlovsk. Torpedoes on Z. Kirova in Alma-Ata (still working). And the production of cartridges was buried along with the sale of tablets in Kazakhstan.
                        With UVZ, the situation is interesting. After all, there is not much that is needed to upgrade 72 to the T-90 level. Most likely the point is in those. the dock rests. After all, UVZ did not give this to anyone. And most likely they are waiting for the T-14. Maybe then things will move. And at the moment, the T-90 is the most advanced production model growing. tanks. So let's wait. After all, even the equipment and the repair dock for the T-72 were taken in Kharkov, Ukraine, at one time.
                      3. Babalaykin
                        Babalaykin 27 December 2015 08: 26 New
                        +3
                        As far as I understand with turntables as with machines, you will not sell if there is no normal service in place. Therefore, X cars are sold with rem. factory in the kit, and this is good, then they will fly. There was information on the Ka-226, but the results are not yet visible, I think the Eurocopter crushed. Although, in theory, Kamovtsev could be promoted to more active work in the Republic of Kazakhstan since as I understand it, this helicopter is not particularly built in Russia, and the machine is interesting.

                        I don’t think that the Points gathered for our army most likely for some time by inertia for the RA.

                        This is a paradox, to have production of torpedoes, and not to have an ammunition factory. because in the event of a military conflict, it’s cartridges and art. shells will be the first to run out.

                        The policy of UVZ is not particularly clear to me personally, having thousands of canned cars there is no intelligible modernization program. Indeed, in the appearance of ARMATA in the military, 72 you can safely sell (and thousands of them) to everyone who wishes and it’s good to step on the mazol to partners.
                        It seems the T-90 is not being remade from the T-72, these are new built cars.

                        hi
                      4. Kasym
                        Kasym 28 December 2015 02: 36 New
                        0
                        Eugene, the first T-90 tanks that went to the Indians were assembled from the T-72 corps, which were in ... Semsk (it was in storage (for repair) ... 12 units of armored vehicles) ... T-000 - The latest upgrade of the T-90.
                        But in the parades Point-U is not visible? I saw a satisfied face 01 after visiting the “closed” workshop in Petropavlovsk (by box, of course) a few years ago.
                        Ka-226 and other agreements with the Russian Federation. Two reasons can be suggested here:
                        1. The Russian Federation until recently considered RK as a sales market for finished products. But after Ukraine and sanctions, the vector has changed.
                        2. Financing. NAS is the last resort who gives GOOD in the allocation of funds in the Republic of Kazakhstan for military needs. And from us, it all depends on him. For example, it was a question of purchasing 36 Su-30SM in batches. The first of 4 pcs. they saw, but others didn’t - only NAS could not give money.
                        Tabachki had a dual purpose and after their sale we lost this (cartridges). For example, that Philip Maurice transferred production from Alma-Ata to the suburbs, nothing remained of its former greatness (dual purpose). It is now necessary to restore again - grabbed when Ukraine struck. hi
                        You are mistaken with the Eurocopter - we have nowhere to sell it.
                      5. Babalaykin
                        Babalaykin 28 December 2015 07: 16 New
                        0
                        Quote: Kasym
                        the first T-90 tanks that went to the Indians were assembled from the T-72 corps, which were located in ... Semsk

                        It seems that the T-90A, which is not the best (there is still cm, and ms), although it is clearly better than 72. I have long read information about the giant storage facilities. It seems in such a place it is difficult to overestimate the power of the military-industrial complex of the USSR. I wish I could go there.

                        Quote: Kasym
                        And at Tochka-U parades

                        If there is precisely the production of rockets for spacecraft and it is carried out within the framework of a state order, then perhaps they still have good legal capacity, but in any case they are 80s weapons.

                        Quote: Kasym
                        The first of 4 pcs. saw, dr. something not

                        Just about two weeks ago there was news about 4 Dryers, so it seems the process is underway. Again, oil prices in Kazakhstan are not weak, since such a song may have simply suspended the contract due to the lack of fin. funds. And the Russians, having a good load of the defense industry with foreign orders, are probably already not so eager to sell us at cheap prices.

                        Quote: Kasym
                        Tabachki had a dual purpose

                        The lack of dual-use would not have kept them; the plants would have gone bankrupt anyway and become bazaars or offices.

                        Quote: Kasym
                        grabbed when Ukraine struck

                        here I am talking about too, recent experience has shown that it’s better to have a UAZ with cartridges, shots and grenades than a cool snuff with batons. But I hope that ours will be on the bed and with KamAZ supplies))).

                        Quote: Kasym
                        You are mistaken with the Eurocopter - we have nowhere to sell it.

                        I never claimed that we would sell it somewhere. The plant is focused on Kazakhstan plus, maybe neighboring countries are single copies.

                        hi Sincerely, all the best!
  • Semurg
    Semurg 26 December 2015 17: 53 New
    +5
    Quote: Babalaykin

    If so then this is good, now we need to expand our capabilities up to alterations in the same terminators, albeit in the light version, without any frills. As far as I remember, we have more tanks than necessary, and it’s possible to try on them apart from remelting.



    The Israelis have good experience in converting tanks into heavy infantry fighting vehicles, such BMPs would not be in the way for us, but light paramounts to airmobile and national guards.
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 26 December 2015 18: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: Semurg
      The Israelis have good experience in converting tanks into heavy infantry fighting vehicles, such BMPs would not be in the way for us, but light paramounts to airmobile and national guards.

      I’ll probably agree, but probably not the BMP, but the armored personnel carrier. And with BMPT (BMOP) there is still a lot of uncertainty. hi
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 26 December 2015 19: 04 New
        +5
        I remember the materials on VO before Krymnash, about the fact that Ukrainians also did or tried to do TBMP. I remember a big discussion on the issue of remaking tanks in TBMP, there were still a lot of users from Ukraine, it was a pity that they all left the site just because they were more for Ukraine than for the Russian Federation, now only fans of the Russian Federation living in Ukraine remained under the yellow-black flag.
        1. marshes
          marshes 26 December 2015 19: 11 New
          +3
          Quote: Semurg
          I remember the materials on VO before Krymnash, about what Ukrainians also did or tried to do TBMP

          So they remade 64, "turned" it. The engine is opposite in front. But everything depends on money. BMPT-64. An interesting topic. From 72 it will be more difficult.
          1. Babalaykin
            Babalaykin 26 December 2015 19: 24 New
            +1
            Quote: marshes
            So they remade 64, "unfolded" it. The engine is opposite in front.

            In the photo redone BMP 2 (or 1), increased the height of the airborne squad, made the ramp. Most likely they improved only convenience and not armor protection.
            1. marshes
              marshes 26 December 2015 19: 42 New
              +2
              Quote: Babalaykin
              In the photo redone BMP 2 (or 1), increased the height of the airborne squad, made the ramp. Most likely they improved only convenience and not armor protection.

              Here is wikipedia for you.
              BMPV-64 is an experienced Ukrainian infantry fighting vehicle, also classified as a heavy armored personnel carrier [5]. The machine was developed by the Kharkov Armored Repair Plant on the basis of a deeply modified chassis of the T-64 tank.

              https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%9C%D0%9F%D0%92-64
              1. Babalaykin
                Babalaykin 26 December 2015 19: 46 New
                +1
                Sorry, confused it seems with the Belarusian modernization. They just updated the BMP. A BMPV-64 in one instance. And in the comments here they wrote that it seemed that they planned to drive for export and not for their needs.
                1. marshes
                  marshes 26 December 2015 19: 55 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Babalaykin
                  And in the comments here they wrote that it seemed that they planned to drive for export and not for their needs.

                  Yes, even for export, two UKROBONSPECESPORT also sat down with us for a bribe. And they planned to issue an BTR-4, transfer the cartridge line from Lugansk and this was under Yanukovych. An-72 near Shymkent. Though they managed to take out the armored vehicles repair line from Lvov and Mig- 23/27 to repair.
                2. Babalaykin
                  Babalaykin 26 December 2015 19: 58 New
                  +1
                  Well, thank God that did not work out, otherwise we would have been with the Thais for a couple of miserables.
                3. marshes
                  marshes 26 December 2015 20: 04 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Babalaykin
                  Well, thank God that did not work out, otherwise we would have been with the Thais for a couple of miserables.

                  And that the Thais, here alone with the southeast of Ukraine, let slip that the BTR-4 is a dangerous thing, mostly mercenaries are rolling on it and the VSUshniki are old.
                  Somehow he called 4.
                4. Babalaykin
                  Babalaykin 26 December 2015 20: 11 New
                  +1
                  Quote: marshes
                  What are Thais

                  left without strongholds.

                  Quote: marshes
                  let slip that the BTR-4 is a dangerous thing, mostly mercenaries are rolling out on it and the VSUshniki are old

                  They were also planned only for export i.e. for earnings. but the fact that they drove a trifle for their army, plus those that were sold to Iraq or to someone else. Defective were. It seems nat. guardsmen were equipped with them. In general, after these events our national would be great. rename the guard, and then what sediment is.
                5. marshes
                  marshes 26 December 2015 20: 19 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Babalaykin
                  left without strongholds.

                  And figs take off our T-72.
                  Quote: Babalaykin
                  In general, after these events our national would be great. rename the guard, and then what sediment is.

                  So on the back after these events. smile
                  April 21, 2014, by Decree of the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan dated April 21, 2014 No. 807 [2] The internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Kazakhstan were transformed into the National Guard of the Republic of Kazakhstan, which is part of a unified system of internal affairs bodies.
                6. Babalaykin
                  Babalaykin 26 December 2015 20: 28 New
                  +1
                  Not renamed, but changed the organizational structure. Well, okay, as they say, if only they would not take a bad example.
  • Babalaykin
    Babalaykin 26 December 2015 18: 18 New
    +1
    Quote: Semurg
    The Israelis have good experience in converting tanks into heavy infantry fighting vehicles

    In Russia, they decided to make TBMP based on ARMATE, you can understand, there is an opportunity and a promising topic, plus they pay attention to unification. We have the same prospects for the appearance of the Armat line are illusory, therefore it would be possible to be puzzled by the total alteration of 72 on TBMP, to provide protection against RPGs. Why it is not there is not clear. Perhaps everything depends on the armor. Is there any information that we make armor? Again chassis and engines. Not so simple with this TBMP. hi
  • The comment was deleted.
  • Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 26 December 2015 20: 52 New
    0
    We have vast experience in the production of armored personnel carriers. Why redo them from tanks. This is from poverty.
    1. Babalaykin
      Babalaykin 26 December 2015 21: 07 New
      +1
      For example, to protect equipment from the most common shots to RPGs. Remaking is not relevant for Russia, but why not for Kazakhstan?
  • Orionvit
    Orionvit 26 December 2015 19: 28 New
    -3
    Quote: Zymran
    This is rabid racism. (with)

    Here, for example, the Lokomotiv kurastyru collective (General Electric locomotive assembly plant)



    LG factory in Almaty

    http://profit.kz/photos/74/Zavod-LG-v-Almati/
    You tell the Russians in Kazakhstan who are the racists and who are not.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 26 December 2015 19: 55 New
      +7
      Now go to work with racism or wait in the morning. And somehow it’s not convenient at 11 o’clock in the morning to break with racism to the Russian neighbors laughing .
    2. Aposlya
      Aposlya 27 December 2015 09: 10 New
      +3
      And you yourself come and ask, everything will be better than eating rumors for suckers ... wink
  • code54
    code54 4 January 2016 21: 26 New
    +1
    On Maradera in TopGir guys rode fun !!! But Maverick first saw a fun minibus !!!
  • ramin_serg
    ramin_serg 6 January 2016 09: 26 New
    +2
    I repeat
    Every self-respecting country must supply itself with weapons.
  • ramin_serg
    ramin_serg 6 January 2016 09: 31 New
    +3
    Brothers Kazakhs +
  • bravo-fab
    bravo-fab 10 January 2016 19: 14 New
    +1
    all the same, they will buy weapons, crafts of alterations, but to create weapons we need a school, design bureau, culture of team design, and there it is not.