Americans ordered a new batch of rocket engines in Russia

The United Launch Alliance consortium (it includes Lockheed Martin Corp and Boeing Co) ordered in addition 20 Russian engines RD-180, passes RIA News message Reuters.

The representative of the association, Jessica Rozh, explained to the agency that “the deliveries of the new consignment will begin immediately after the previous order for the 29 engines is completed”.

She recalled that "the engines will be used on American Atlas-5 missiles until the United States develops and certifies its own new engine." RD-180 is used in the first stage of American launch vehicles.

Previously, Senator McCain stated with regret that Congress had to lift the ban on the purchase of RD-180 engines in 2016, which is why "Putin will receive tens of millions of dollars."

The agency recalls that in 2014, the House of Representatives "adopted the amendment of Senator John McCain as an anti-Russian measure on events in Ukraine, which provides for the United States to completely abandon the RD-180 rocket engines." An exception was made only for the ULA consortium, which concluded a contract with NPO Energomash before 2019.

The development of its own engine from the US budget was allocated $ 220 million.

Comments

[SS68SS]

$ 220 million was allocated from the US budget

...To each...

But seriously, in connection with the US sanctions, prices for Russian engines should be doubled, well, or triple ....

[Snake AAA]

These are the so-called conquerors of the moon :))) I am tormented by vague doubts about whether they were there

[Maxom75]

It was, but just in the 90s, the Americans sincerely believed that everything was being sold in Russia and that the military-industrial complex and space enterprises would soon become their property, so why strain your brains and budget if these Russian monkeys did everything cheaper. And then there was a bummer in the face of GDP and it was necessary to restore what was lost. Like our amers, the personnel problem became, the old ones left, but they didn’t raise new ones, and now they are suffering from staff starvation. ours do not go there, but ours are not. The space industry, like all engineering, is an evolutionarily developing area and it does not work according to the grant system, here you need to constantly invest in order to get an outstanding final result.

[grandfather68]

And that you did not read the confession of the filmmaker filming the moon landing in Hollywood?

[corporal]

Quote: Grandfather68

director's recognition

Do not produce fakes.

[Sweles]

why do you think this is not true?

[Vadim237]

Yes, because the author of this video filmed it when Kubrick had already died and in this video the author addresses this person, calling him Tom.

[Sweles]

Quote: Vadim237

Yes, because the author of this video filmed it when Kubrick had already died and in this video the author addresses this person, calling him Tom.

I didn’t notice at what minute they say it?

[Infinity]

It's like 2003. The Dark Side of the Moon. Also a "fat point in the conspiracy", also a sensation, the disclosure of a "scam".
In fact - a regular rally. And then the video was uploaded with the actors, as they were shooting.
There is no serious evidence that the video is real.

[corporal]

Quote: Sveles

why do you think this is not true?

You have already been answered below

Quote: Mera Joota

In the USSR, telemetry was received from the American Apollo, intercepted messages from the moon to the earth and back. Because no one in the USSR doubted the landing of Americans on the moon because they watched it online.

[Infinity]

Maybe, for starters, you need to prove that this interview is true? What is it really Kubrick?

[AID.S]

Quote: Grandfather68

And that you did not read the confession of the filmmaker filming the moon landing in Hollywood?

Here it is true, finally surfaced, Kennedy, too, because they shot him from behind the Moon ... Everything fits together !!!!

[Mera joota]

Quote: Grandfather68

And that you did not read the confession of the filmmaker filming the moon landing in Hollywood?

In the USSR, telemetry was received from the American Apollo, intercepted messages from the moon to the earth and back. Because no one in the USSR doubted the landing of Americans on the moon because they watched it online.

[Turner38]

Telemetry from a spacecraft does not prove that there were people there. And the opinion of the furomans changed dramatically after the interview of our astronaut (in my opinion, Grechko), which was about 2-3 weeks ago on the forum. But only again, he did not give any evidence, except for words about telemetry. And about Kubrick specifically said that he would allegedly have shot scenes of the moon landing in Hollywood.

[arane]

Quote: Snake AAA

These are the so-called conquerors of the moon :))) I am tormented by vague doubts about whether they were there

Seriously, now it doesn’t matter at all whether they were there or not. Fuck you.

[Thronekeeper]

There were ...
But then America was, not PendoSStan.
And even the enemies were worthy ...
The only question is - why aren't sanctions imposed on these engines and Mi-17 with Mi-24 for Dushmanistan?
Or will RD-180 be launched by self-delivery, at half price and a 25% discount on conventional (like OD-7k) payload?

[anfil]

Quote: Thronekeeper

There were ...

The only question is - why aren't sanctions imposed on these engines and Mi-17 with Mi-24 for Dushmanistan?

Perhaps for this:

<...> The problem is that we do not have modern satellites. We either buy them in a completely finished form, or assemble them from imported modules, or build ourselves, but from imported elements. Even our largest satellite TV operators (NTV + and Tricolor TV) use the European satellite Eutelsat ...
... Only domestic satellites of the Glonass system are made of domestic components, the group of which we regularly replenish on the bottom of the Pacific Ocean.
Alas, the cost of creating domestic satellites is four times higher than foreign standards, and average expected life Russian satellites make up 6,3 of the year, while China has 7,4 of the year (for comparison, the USA and Europe have 9,9 and 10,2 of the year, respectively.
As a result, we have to deal primarily with launches of foreign satellites, and our share in the global space industry turned out to be vanishingly small - about 0,5%. But maybe we at least know how to launch rockets well?

http://ruspolitics.ru/article/read/rossijskij-kosmos-traektorija-spuska.html

[Hon]

Quote: Serpent AAA

These are the so-called conquerors of the moon :))) I am tormented by vague doubts about whether they were there

Well, before they somehow flew into space themselves. just have a proven, reliable and possibly inexpensive engine, if it suits why change something?

[little girl15]

Why, in response to new US sanctions, instead of engines, would we not deliver Rogozin trampolines to mattresses?

[Alexey Boukin]

Quote: Vovochka15

Why, in response to new US sanctions, instead of engines, would we not deliver Rogozin trampolines to mattresses?

Everything can be expected from the Americans, even a rigged disaster with human casualties. All accusations will fall on Russia, which sold them rocket engines. What noise will be, you can imagine! ..

[Bayonet]

Quote: Vovochka15

Why, in response to new US sanctions, instead of engines, would we not deliver Rogozin trampolines to mattresses?

Only with him, let them entertain them there

[Mahmut]

The Chinese would have copied long ago and refused to purchase. And these minds do not even have enough copying, but they undertake to make their own from scratch.

[inkass_98]

Quote: Mahmut

And these minds do not even have enough to copy

They have a license for production, no need to copy. But something does not work out with production, and ours will cost less than building at home.

[Bayonet]

Quote: inkass_98

But something does not work out with production, and ours will cost less than building at home.

That's it, it makes no sense to spend money on the organization of production, for the sake of a few pieces. Yes, and other carriers on the way, with their engines.

[Maxom75]

They tried to copy, but it was not so simple, it turned out their engine did not give the required indicators - it collapsed earlier.))

[prosto_rgb]

Quote: Mahmut

And these minds do not even have enough copying,

But why?
Lawyers and bankers rule the ball there.
They calculated that it would be more expensive at home than to buy everything.
But the intellects will already go through 14nm of those processes in the summer, and the release of 10nm process technology has been postponed for a year, more than 14nm has not fully paid for itself.
And what is their stupidity?
By the way, if anyone may not have heard the Falcon9, Ilon Max successfully landed, though so far only the first stage.

[arane]

Quote: Mahmut

The Chinese would have copied long ago and refused to purchase. And these minds do not even have enough copying, but they undertake to make their own from scratch.

Yes, they copied the key nodes, they all succeeded. Only an order of magnitude more expensive. It’s more profitable for them to buy

[colonel manuch]

They have already made their own and have actually tested it, only it turned out to be their dear.

[cap]

Quote: SS68SS

But seriously, in connection with the US sanctions, prices for Russian engines should be doubled, well, or triple ....

That's right! We imposed sanctions against Russia, the dollar has risen in price.
For what carriages at old prices.
And not for Ulyukaevskie 3.5%, but for 100% we will be like a "real politician" in the West.
Nothing personal just business.
I forgot. As part of the conversion, Mr. Rogozin’s department produces trampolines, inexpensively. Discounts are offered to regular customers.

[McLuha-MacLeod]

Correctly. Only how in Soviet times to sell engines with a load of trampolines. And our trampolines are expensive.

[Chak]

Yeah, and also introduce coupons on taxiways, redeem on a monthly basis, and soap-hemp supplies

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: SS68SS

... in connection with US sanctions, prices for Russian engines should be doubled, well, or triple ....

And to connect the supply of engines with the payment of Russian debt by Ukraine.

[Bayonet]

Quote: McLooka-MacLeod

Only how in Soviet times to sell engines with a load of trampolines.

Quote: ChAK

and also enter coupons on taxiways, redeem on a monthly basis, and soap-hemp accessories

Quote: Ami du peuple

And to connect the supply of engines with the payment of Russian debt by Ukraine.

[prosto_rgb]

Quote: SS68SS

But seriously, in connection with the US sanctions, prices for Russian engines should be doubled, well, or triple ....

It would be possible to introduce an embargo in general.
But where is the domestic customer of these engines?

[Artybyrd]

at the rate and so well run up to the enterprise)

[lis-ik]

By the way, I noticed a pattern: the purchase of a new batch occurs exactly after the toughening of sanctions, is it checked for unscrupulousness?

[kepmor]

And "for a fig" we generally sell engines for mattress mats?
I think that Stalin would have acted differently-DO NOT SELL! And there are many advantages for the Russian Federation:
1. US missiles will remain on the ground for a long time.
2. The development and production of engines will take 3-5 years and "hundreds of lard green peepifax", while not the fact that the result will be positive.
3. Well, and moral satisfaction - click once again "striped fool" on the nose!
And the financial losses are not particularly great for the Russian Federation - thousands of times more "tyryat" their own - one Chubais is worth something!

[Bayonet]

Quote: kepmor

And "for a fig" we generally sell engines for mattress mats?

Quote: kepmor

1. US missiles will remain on the ground for a long time.

US missiles will not remain on earth. Only Atlas 5 will remain on the ground.
Comparable launch vehicles: Delta 4 - Falcon 9, you can still use the services of France with their Arian-5 of the same class.

Quote: kepmor

2. The development and production of engines will take 3-5 years and "hundreds of lard green peepifax", while not the fact that the result will be positive.

They are not going to do this.

Quote: kepmor

3. Well, and moral satisfaction - click once again "striped fool" on the nose!

This click (financial) will be on the nose of the domestic engine manufacturer.

[Bayonet]

Quote: SS68SS

prices for Russian engines should be doubled, well, or triple ....

They simply will not be bought, to the mutual pleasure of McCain and local cheers

[oleg-gr]

McCain! Aw! Why are you silent? Soon the speech about the next American zrad will push.

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: oleg-gr

McCain! Aw! Why are you silent? Soon the speech about the next American zrad will push.

Grandfather McCain, from such news, has constipation. Not to talk.

[Maxom75]

He is not silent, there he already had a tantrum, now despondency.)))

[prabiz]

You must bargain with them not only money but also the lifting of sanctions!

[EvgNik]

Quote: prabiz

You must bargain with them not only money but also the lifting of sanctions!

Do we need to lift sanctions? Well, if Europe takes off, but the United States does not wave.

[Bassoon]

No gentlemen. Better walk into space)

[Maxom75]

better let them practice trampolining.))

[moskowit]

Are there really no other topics, because yesterday or the day before yesterday there was already material about this ...

[gelezo47]

An interesting policy for mattresses. They impose sanctions and draw the whole of Europe into it ... Meanwhile, they themselves purchase engines from us ...
Already they would have refused to launch their rockets into space, for the sake of a "holy" cause !!! ...

[barclay]

It would be necessary to sell to everyone: the French, Germans, Chinese ... but the Americans - NO !!!

[shosha]

Sanctions sanctions, and without Russia, no where .....

[BNVSurgut]

According to RBC, yesterday there was a story about an American ship (rocket launcher, I'm not an expert), which landed after the satellites were launched into space, with the possibility of reuse. Will our engines be needed now, or will they fly on them? Tell me who is in the know.

[Gormenghast]

RD-180 is a closed circuit engine with generator gas afterburning. Merlin-1D is an open circuit engine.

Accordingly, the specific impulse on the ground / in the void in Merlin is 282/311 units, while in the RD-180 - 311/338 units. 30 units of specific thrust is a very significant increase in payload. They can only be competitors based on price / performance.

The return of the first stage of Falcon-9 has not yet proved the possibility of its reuse. And not a fact that proves. An example is the Shuttle. Scheduled launches once a week; in fact it was less than once a month, at a monstrous price. One reason is the need for engine overhauls.

Musk now promises us (just like the fantastic Stark ) that reuse will be possible in a day. We will see. And let's see if NASA will consent to the use of used engines and ships for manned launches, which is what Musk is aiming for.

[voyaka uh]

If possible, the start-ups will be cheaper by 30-40 percent no less.
Even if a thorough inspection of the returning 1st stage
take a week or two, anyway - a breakthrough.

[Gormenghast]

The space-ex Dragon's landing capsule is also theoretically reusable; however, so far there have been no precedents for its reuse.

At the same time, I am particularly pleased to note that the lander of the Soviet Transport Supply Ship (TKS; had no own name) was actually reused in the late 70s and early 80s of the last century. Only heat protection was changed. The priority in this matter is with the beautiful and powerful USSR.

And about the first stage - vague doubts torment me; the engine is full of fittings - nozzles, valves, squibs, seals - you can’t get by with just one inspection. RS-25, it was SSME, it was sorted out, replacing doubtful details.

Reluctantly, I have to admit that Elon Musk, of course, is great. However, he is highly obsessed with aggressive and unreasonable advertising. Launch rates and media deadlines have not yet been met; the carrying capacity of its missiles and their cost are far from those declared. The Red Dragon promised and the super-heavy carrier - so far only promises; the dates are postponed. Inflated the state of Spacex (although initially he positioned a reduction in price, including a small state). He's not very good with commerce either; launches, mainly, for government money, on government orders. There has already been one serious accident and one disaster - and he is going to certify Falcon-9 for manned launches. In the matter of rescuing the astronauts, I literally went through the ass - all ships have SAS mounted on top of the carrier; it "pulls out"a ship or a capsule with astronauts from an emergency rocket at the expense of multi-hundred-ton thrust of solid-propellant engines. And Musk decided to combine the SAS with the ship's engines - that is, they are under the ass of the ship, under the astronauts, and should not pull out, but carry the ship away from the exploded rocket. it will work - nobody knows yet.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Gormengast

The return of the first stage of Falcon-9 has not yet proved the possibility of its reuse.

Here, the distant sight is the development of landing and take-off from other planets. On Mars, for example, the atmosphere is very discharged and the landing of manned spacecraft (with subsequent take-off) will be carried out on a jet thrust.

[mpzss]

and they say they landed on the moon ...

[V.ic]

Does sanction mean sideways?

[Dr. Barmaley]

Americans ordered a new batch of rocket engines in Russia

[Million]

It is necessary to raise the price of rocket engines. Sanctions .......

[guzik007]

oh how! Yesterday I slammed the campaign: =):



Prohibit the export of RD-180 engines from the Russian Federation. What's so complicated ???

uh no. not guessed. The asymmetric answer will be that we flood them with these engines so that we don’t know where to put them.

[veksha50]

"" The delivery of the new batch will begin immediately after the previous order for 29 engines is completed "...

Uh-huh ... And TsAGI in Zhukovsky was left without a "pipe" assembled by the Americans ...

It’s time to find some way to coordinate the execution of contracts by both parties ...

[Bayonet]

Quote: veksha50

And TsAGI in Zhukovsky was left without a "pipe" assembled by the Americans ...

It’s time to find some way to coordinate the execution of contracts by both parties ..

That would be the right decision! So to speak - to your pleasure

[Gormenghast]

NPO Energomash and Russia as a whole - benefit. High-tech products; it's not oil.

Americans, of course, will develop their own engine, which at best will be similar in characteristics (it will not work better), but it will certainly be more expensive. If only because the RD-180 is half of the Soviet four-chamber RD-170; a significant part of the costs of its development was borne by the Soviet Union; in the current price of the engine these costs are not taken into account.

[asiat_61]

The news is good. Europe is drooling due to sanctions, while mandalas are establishing trade. Europeans have no mind left, but this is their problem.

[Zomanus]

Well, maybe they put some preconditions.
We are not told about all the clauses of the contract ...

[Tusv]

The development of its own engine from the US budget was allocated $ 220 million.

Very scary amount. Zero point one thousandths of an ocean. Only three deliveries of American astronauts to the ISS. But you need to take such an amount in one flight and the return is less than a pollard. Yes, it’s expensive, but who cares?

[aszzz888]

The main Russophobe, who lost his mind in the Vietnamese pit, and nevertheless the senator, may not survive 2015 from such news!
Kondraty will hug, and will write in the corners on his slippers!

[Bayonet]

Quote: aszzz888

The main Russophobe, who lost his mind in the Vietnamese pit, and nevertheless the senator, may not survive 2015 from such news!
Kondraty will hug, and will write in the corners on his slippers!

Many of his like-minded people on our site are also against selling engines! Here is a company gathered!

[Bayonet]

Quote: Bayonet

Many of his like-minded people (in this case) on our site are also against the sale of engines! Here is a company gathered!

Is not it ??? Read the comments, and if you have nothing to say, then okay, minus the anger, but rather bite yourself in the seat - it’s easier

[raiart]

Double feeling. It is, of course, good that we are producing a high-tech product that "sworn partners" cannot produce. On the other hand, "They" do not seem to care deeply about the place of production - there is money - they will buy everything and anywhere, but they will achieve their GOALS. Our behavior is similar to that of a rogue GENIUS. And it would be right ... as with Lukyanenko: regression, friendship ...

[HAM]

And where are the Rogozin "trampolines", who have they already sold to ??

[corporal]

Quote: HAM

And where are the Rogozin "trampolines", who have they already sold to ??

They drank it and rolled it away (no one had time to blink an eye) ...

[Tusv]

Quote: HAM

And where are the Rogozin "trampolines", who have they already sold to ??

The development was entrusted to Russian and Kazakh eighth graders, they will patent it for the third course :)

[Monax]

Sell ​​them a better slingshot to launch their missiles.

[colonel manuch]

It’s just a business: there is already your own engine, but it’s coming out more expensive than the Russian one.

[Sergey Vladimirovich]

These are the so-called conquerors of the moon :))) I am tormented by vague doubts about whether they were there

What is there to doubt, no later than December 21, there was an article on VO about the bullet point, which was put in the American lunar scam ...

http://topwar.ru/88163-v-lunnoy-afere-ssha-postavlena-zhirnaya-tochka.html

[Vadim237]

This bullet is called - "Leftover video suckers".

[dchegrinec]

It turns out pretty funny. Europe like complies with the requirements of sanctions, even tries to bend by introducing new ones, and America meanwhile spit on its own sanctions when it smells of kerosene! And you guys there in Europe do what you are told! Clowns ..

[Mera joota]

Quote: dchegrinec

Clowns ..

Sanctions were imposed for sale, not purchase. Anyway, they still buy oil and gas from Russia ...

[Chak]

Sanctions mean sanctions: raise the price tag, get an advance payment, delay the execution, and if anything, send it to ... or to ..., throw up your hands and say "well, sanctions, you know ...". With such "partners" only in this way, and put them in the knee-elbow position at any opportunity.

[triglav]

If inadequate McCain was even a little versed in engine building, he would not have yelled that the US was buying the RD-180 from Russia. You can’t do such an engine in a couple of days. Although they allocated money to develop their own, it is not known how long this development will take. So let them say thanks to ours. And bucks will not be superfluous to us. I would also increase the price. Where will they go ...

[cergey51046]

In response to tougher sanctions, Russia is ready to sell US strategic equipment (engines). They do not respect themselves, so who will respect them?

[olegkrava]

Quote: SS68SS

She recalled that "the engines will be used on American Atlas-5 missiles until the United States develops and certifies its own new engine."

No matter how these engines are sent to us from the explosives on board. Great is stupidity, and if it is also refueled by greed, then there will be trouble. Let them build their own, and we'll see. But someone from our government, well, I really want to eat jamon. They are trying to lower the country below the baseboard, and these ............ are happy, here we will earn a couple of lyamas. Give people a decent salary and you will be a couple of lyamov, but at home. The grabbers who do not know the measure finish on the chopping block. Im ho.

[Tiger4]

How is it that they are not afraid to buy engines from Russia? Once a month, at launches, something falls before it reaches the calculated trajectory ....

[afrikanez]

In "striped boys" are arrogant! What about the sanctions? It turns out that the sanctions are sideways when they need something from us.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Tiger4

How is it that they are not afraid to buy engines from Russia?

what they are afraid of. They use our iron to mold their control systems on it.

No matter how Russia sells these satellites to the Americans, sideways doesn’t work out the way they use our engines to launch their military vehicles into space.

[Old26]

Quote: Vovochka15

Why, in response to new US sanctions, instead of engines, would we not deliver Rogozin trampolines to mattresses?

But not everyone in Russia is so silly as Rogozin, who has a boneless language. He spent about a decade in NATO, he didn’t do anything for Russia, and therefore they placed him in a position where you need to rub your tongue.
To offer trampolines in order to threaten a unique production with their own hands - only Rogozin is capable of this

[Old26]

Quote: olegkrava

No matter how these engines are sent to us from the explosives on board

On oxygen kerosene? Well, you and science fiction

Quote: ChAK

Sanctions mean sanctions: raise the price tag, get an advance payment, delay the execution, and if anything, send it to ... or to ..., throw up your hands and say "well, sanctions, you know ...". With such "partners" only in this way, and put them in the knee-elbow position at any opportunity.

In fact, we work in such cases not even on an advance payment, but after full payment we just start deliveries. The cost has already increased, compared to 2012-2013, from 9 to 11 million. Bullying even more is stupid. They simply will not buy, but will invest in their own and receive (and so they already have similar ones on the test and at the exit). Americans? No, myself, because it was a lifeline for the plant. You can raise prices and not sell, thereby destroying your unique production, that is, to act on the principle of "spite my grandmother's ears frostbite"