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Americans ordered a new batch of rocket engines in Russia

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The United Launch Alliance consortium (it includes Lockheed Martin Corp and Boeing Co) ordered in addition 20 Russian engines RD-180, passes RIA News message Reuters.


Americans ordered a new batch of rocket engines in Russia


The representative of the association, Jessica Rozh, explained to the agency that “the deliveries of the new consignment will begin immediately after the previous order for the 29 engines is completed”.

She recalled that "the engines will be used on American Atlas-5 missiles until the United States develops and certifies its own new engine." RD-180 is used in the first stage of American launch vehicles.

Previously, Senator McCain stated with regret that Congress had to lift the ban on the purchase of RD-180 engines in 2016, which is why "Putin will receive tens of millions of dollars."

The agency recalls that in 2014, the House of Representatives "adopted the amendment of Senator John McCain as an anti-Russian measure on events in Ukraine, which provides for the United States to completely abandon the RD-180 rocket engines." An exception was made only for the ULA consortium, which concluded a contract with NPO Energomash before 2019.

The development of its own engine from the US budget was allocated $ 220 million.
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  1. SS68SS
    SS68SS 24 December 2015 10: 17 New
    46
    $ 220 million was allocated from the US budget


    ...To each... hi

    But seriously, in connection with the US sanctions, prices for Russian engines should be doubled, well, or triple ....
    1. Snake AAA
      Snake AAA 24 December 2015 10: 32 New
      +8
      These are the so-called conquerors of the moon :))) I am tormented by vague doubts about whether they were there
      1. Maxom75
        Maxom75 24 December 2015 10: 42 New
        17
        It was, but just in the 90s, the Americans sincerely believed that everything was being sold in Russia and that the military-industrial complex and space enterprises would soon become their property, so why strain your brains and budget if these Russian monkeys did everything cheaper. And then there was a bummer in the face of GDP and it was necessary to restore what was lost. Like our amers, the personnel problem became, the old ones left, but they didn’t raise new ones, and now they are suffering from staff starvation. ours do not go there, but ours are not. The space industry, like all engineering, is an evolutionarily developing area and it does not work according to the grant system, here you need to constantly invest in order to get an outstanding final result.
      2. grandfather68
        grandfather68 24 December 2015 10: 43 New
        +1
        And that you did not read the confession of the filmmaker filming the moon landing in Hollywood?
        1. corporal
          corporal 24 December 2015 10: 48 New
          +4
          Quote: Grandfather68
          director's recognition

          Do not produce fakes.
          1. Sweles
            Sweles 24 December 2015 11: 38 New
            -1


            why do you think this is not true?
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 24 December 2015 12: 17 New
              +2
              Yes, because the author of this video filmed it when Kubrick had already died and in this video the author addresses this person, calling him Tom.
              1. Sweles
                Sweles 24 December 2015 14: 30 New
                -2
                Quote: Vadim237
                Yes, because the author of this video filmed it when Kubrick had already died and in this video the author addresses this person, calling him Tom.


                I didn’t notice at what minute they say it?
                1. Infinity
                  Infinity 24 December 2015 14: 52 New
                  -2
                  It's like in 2003. The Dark Side of the Moon. Also a "fat point in the plot", also a sensation, the disclosure of a "scam."
                  In fact - a regular rally. And then the video was uploaded with the actors, as they were shooting.
                  There is no serious evidence that the video is real.
            2. corporal
              corporal 24 December 2015 12: 18 New
              +3
              Quote: Sveles
              why do you think this is not true?

              You have already been answered below
              Quote: Mera Joota
              In the USSR, telemetry was received from the American Apollo, intercepted messages from the moon to the earth and back. Because no one in the USSR doubted the landing of Americans on the moon because they watched it online.
            3. Infinity
              Infinity 24 December 2015 13: 21 New
              +3
              Maybe, for starters, you need to prove that this interview is true? What is it really Kubrick?
        2. AID.S
          AID.S 24 December 2015 10: 50 New
          -5
          Quote: Grandfather68
          And that you did not read the confession of the filmmaker filming the moon landing in Hollywood?

          Here it is true, finally surfaced, Kennedy, too, because they shot him from behind the Moon ... Everything fits together !!!!
        3. Mera joota
          Mera joota 24 December 2015 11: 49 New
          +4
          Quote: Grandfather68
          And that you did not read the confession of the filmmaker filming the moon landing in Hollywood?

          In the USSR, telemetry was received from the American Apollo, intercepted messages from the moon to the earth and back. Because no one in the USSR doubted the landing of Americans on the moon because they watched it online.
          1. Terner38
            Terner38 24 December 2015 14: 24 New
            -1
            Telemetry from a spacecraft does not prove that there were people there. And the opinion of the furomans changed dramatically after the interview of our astronaut (in my opinion, Grechko), which was about 2-3 weeks ago on the forum. But only again, he did not give any evidence, except for words about telemetry. And about Kubrick specifically said that he would allegedly have shot scenes of the moon landing in Hollywood.
      3. The comment was deleted.
      4. arane
        arane 24 December 2015 10: 46 New
        +3
        Quote: Snake AAA
        These are the so-called conquerors of the moon :))) I am tormented by vague doubts about whether they were there


        Seriously, now it doesn’t matter at all whether they were there or not. Fuck you.
      5. Thronekeeper
        Thronekeeper 24 December 2015 10: 52 New
        +3
        There were ...
        But then America was, not PendoSStan.
        And even the enemies were worthy ...
        The only question is - why aren't sanctions imposed on these engines and Mi-17 with Mi-24 for Dushmanistan?
        Or will RD-180 be launched by self-delivery, at half price and a 25% discount on conventional (like OD-7k) payload? repeat
        1. anfil
          anfil 24 December 2015 17: 19 New
          +1
          Quote: Thronekeeper
          There were ...

          The only question is - why aren't sanctions imposed on these engines and Mi-17 with Mi-24 for Dushmanistan?


          Perhaps for this:
          <...> The problem is that we do not have modern satellites. We either buy them in a completely finished form, or assemble from imported modules, or build ourselves, but from imported elements. Even our largest satellite TV operators (NTV + and Tricolor TV) use the European satellite Eutelsat ...
          ... Only domestic satellites of the Glonass system are made of domestic components, the group of which we regularly replenish on the bottom of the Pacific Ocean.
          Alas, the cost of creating domestic satellites is four times higher than foreign standards, and average expected life Russian satellites make up 6,3 of the year, while China has 7,4 of the year (for comparison, the USA and Europe have 9,9 and 10,2 of the year, respectively.
          As a result, we have to deal primarily with launches of foreign satellites, and our share in the global space industry turned out to be vanishingly small - about 0,5%. But maybe we at least know how to launch rockets well?


          http://ruspolitics.ru/article/read/rossijskij-kosmos-traektorija-spuska.html
      6. Hon
        Hon 24 December 2015 14: 15 New
        0
        Quote: Snake AAA
        These are the so-called conquerors of the moon :))) I am tormented by vague doubts about whether they were there

        Well, before they somehow flew into space themselves. just have a proven, reliable and possibly inexpensive engine, if it suits why change something?
    2. little girl15
      little girl15 24 December 2015 10: 35 New
      +4
      Why, in response to new US sanctions, instead of engines, would we not deliver Rogozin trampolines to mattresses?
      1. Alexey Boukin
        Alexey Boukin 24 December 2015 11: 12 New
        0
        Quote: Vovochka15
        Why, in response to new US sanctions, instead of engines, would we not deliver Rogozin trampolines to mattresses?

        Everything can be expected from the Americans, even a rigged disaster with human casualties. All accusations will fall on Russia, which sold them rocket engines. What noise will be, you can imagine! ..
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 24 December 2015 15: 52 New
        -1
        Quote: Vovochka15
        Why, in response to new US sanctions, instead of engines, would we not deliver Rogozin trampolines to mattresses?

        Only with him, let them entertain them there fellow
    3. Mahmut
      Mahmut 24 December 2015 10: 35 New
      0
      The Chinese would have copied long ago and refused to purchase. And these minds do not even have enough copying, but they undertake to make their own from scratch.
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 24 December 2015 10: 42 New
        +5
        Quote: Mahmut
        And these minds do not even have enough to copy

        They have a license for production, no need to copy. But something does not work out with production, and ours will cost less than building at home.
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 24 December 2015 15: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: inkass_98
          But something does not work out with production, and ours will cost less than building at home.

          That's it, it makes no sense to spend money on the organization of production, for the sake of a few pieces. Yes, and other carriers on the way, with their engines.
      2. Maxom75
        Maxom75 24 December 2015 10: 43 New
        0
        They tried to copy, but it was not so simple, it turned out their engine did not give the required indicators - it collapsed earlier.))
      3. prosto_rgb
        prosto_rgb 24 December 2015 10: 47 New
        +4
        Quote: Mahmut
        And these minds do not even have enough copying,

        But why?
        Lawyers and bankers rule the ball there.
        They calculated that it would be more expensive at home than to buy everything.
        But the intellects will already go through 14nm of those processes in the summer, and the release of 10nm process technology has been postponed for a year, more than 14nm has not fully paid for itself.
        And what is their stupidity?
        By the way, if anyone may not have heard the Falcon9, Ilon Max successfully landed, though so far only the first stage.
      4. arane
        arane 24 December 2015 10: 48 New
        +3
        Quote: Mahmut
        The Chinese would have copied long ago and refused to purchase. And these minds do not even have enough copying, but they undertake to make their own from scratch.


        Yes, they copied the key nodes, they all succeeded. Only an order of magnitude more expensive. It’s more profitable for them to buy
      5. polkovnik manuch
        polkovnik manuch 24 December 2015 11: 03 New
        0
        They have already made their own and have actually tested it, only it turned out to be their dear.
    4. cap
      cap 24 December 2015 10: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: SS68SS
      But seriously, in connection with the US sanctions, prices for Russian engines should be doubled, well, or triple ....

      That's right! We imposed sanctions against Russia, the dollar has risen in price.
      For what carriages at old prices.
      And not at the Ulyukaevsky 3.5%, but at 100% we will be like a "real politician" in the west.
      Nothing personal just business. laughing
      I forgot. As part of the conversion, Mr. Rogozin’s department produces trampolines, inexpensively. Discounts are offered to regular customers. laughing
      1. McLuha-MacLeod
        McLuha-MacLeod 24 December 2015 11: 00 New
        -1
        Correctly. Only how in Soviet times to sell engines with a load of trampolines. And our trampolines are expensive.
        1. Chak
          Chak 24 December 2015 11: 30 New
          0
          Yeah, and also introduce coupons on taxiways, redeem on a monthly basis, and soap-hemp supplies laughing
    5. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 24 December 2015 10: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: SS68SS
      ... in connection with US sanctions, prices for Russian engines should be doubled, well, or triple ....

      And to connect the supply of engines with the payment of Russian debt by Ukraine.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 24 December 2015 19: 11 New
        0
        Quote: McLooka-MacLeod
        Only how in Soviet times to sell engines with a load of trampolines.

        Quote: ChAK
        and also enter coupons on taxiways, redeem on a monthly basis, and soap-hemp accessories

        Quote: Ami du peuple
        And to connect the supply of engines with the payment of Russian debt by Ukraine.

        smile
    6. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 24 December 2015 10: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: SS68SS
      But seriously, in connection with the US sanctions, prices for Russian engines should be doubled, well, or triple ....

      It would be possible to introduce an embargo in general.
      But where is the domestic customer of these engines?
    7. Artybyrd
      Artybyrd 24 December 2015 11: 23 New
      +1
      at the rate and so well run up to the enterprise)
    8. lis-ik
      lis-ik 24 December 2015 12: 45 New
      +1
      By the way, I noticed a pattern: the purchase of a new batch occurs exactly after the toughening of sanctions, is it checked for unscrupulousness?
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    10. kepmor
      kepmor 24 December 2015 14: 31 New
      +1
      A "fig" we generally sell engines to mattresses?
      I think that Stalin would have acted differently-DO NOT SELL! And there are many advantages for the Russian Federation:
      1. US missiles will remain on the ground for a long time.
      2. The development and production of engines will take 3-5 years and “hundreds of lards of green pepyfax”, while it is not a fact that the result will be positive.
      3. Well, and moral satisfaction-once again click "striped foolish" on the nose!
      And fin.potter is not particularly great for the Russian Federation-a thousand times more "tyryat" their-one Chubais what it costs!
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 24 December 2015 19: 26 New
        0
        Quote: kepmor
        A "fig" we generally sell engines to mattresses?

        Quote: kepmor
        1. US missiles will remain on the ground for a long time.

        US missiles will not remain on earth. Only Atlas 5 will remain on the ground.
        Comparable launch vehicles: Delta 4 - Falcon 9, you can still use the services of France with their Arian-5 of the same class.
        Quote: kepmor
        2. The development and production of engines will take 3-5 years and “hundreds of lards of green pepyfax”, while it is not a fact that the result will be positive.

        They are not going to do this.
        Quote: kepmor
        3. Well, and moral satisfaction-once again click "striped foolish" on the nose!

        This click (financial) will be on the nose of the domestic engine manufacturer.
    11. Bayonet
      Bayonet 24 December 2015 15: 48 New
      0
      Quote: SS68SS
      prices for Russian engines should be doubled, well, or triple ....
      They simply will not be bought, to the mutual pleasure of McCain and local cheers smile
  2. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 24 December 2015 10: 17 New
    +3
    McCain! Aw! Why are you silent? Soon the speech about the next American zrad will push.
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 24 December 2015 10: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: oleg-gr
      McCain! Aw! Why are you silent? Soon the speech about the next American zrad will push.

      Grandfather McCain, from such news, has constipation. Not to talk.
    2. Maxom75
      Maxom75 24 December 2015 10: 44 New
      +1
      He is not silent, there he already had a tantrum, now despondency.)))
  3. prabiz
    prabiz 24 December 2015 10: 17 New
    +1
    You must bargain with them not only money but also the lifting of sanctions!
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 24 December 2015 11: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: prabiz
      You must bargain with them not only money but also the lifting of sanctions!

      Do we need to lift sanctions? Well, if Europe takes off, but the United States does not wave.
  4. Bassoon
    Bassoon 24 December 2015 10: 18 New
    +1
    No gentlemen. Better walk into space)
    1. Maxom75
      Maxom75 24 December 2015 10: 44 New
      0
      better let them practice trampolining.))
  5. moskowit
    moskowit 24 December 2015 10: 19 New
    0
    Are there really no other topics, because yesterday or the day before yesterday there was already material about this ...
  6. gelezo47
    gelezo47 24 December 2015 10: 23 New
    +2
    An interesting policy for mattresses. They impose sanctions and draw the whole of Europe into it ... Meanwhile, they themselves purchase engines from us ...
    They would have already refused to launch their rockets into space, for the sake of a "holy" cause !!! ... lol
  7. barclay
    barclay 24 December 2015 10: 24 New
    0
    It would be necessary to sell to everyone: the French, Germans, Chinese ... but the Americans - NO !!!
  8. shosha
    shosha 24 December 2015 10: 24 New
    +1
    Sanctions sanctions, and without Russia, no where .....
  9. BNVSurgut
    BNVSurgut 24 December 2015 10: 26 New
    0
    According to RBC, yesterday there was a story about an American ship (rocket launcher, I'm not an expert), which landed after the satellites were launched into space, with the possibility of reuse. Will our engines be needed now, or will they fly on them? Tell me who is in the know.
    1. Gormenghast
      Gormenghast 24 December 2015 10: 44 New
      +1
      RD-180 is a closed circuit engine with afterburning of generator gas. "Merlin-1D - an open-cycle engine.

      Accordingly, the specific impulse on the ground / in the void in Merlin is 282/311 units, while in the RD-180 - 311/338 units. 30 units of specific thrust is a very significant increase in payload. They can only be competitors based on price / performance.

      The return of the first stage of Falcon-9 has not yet proved the possibility of its reuse. And not a fact that proves. An example is the Shuttle. Scheduled launches once a week; in fact it was less than once a month, at a monstrous price. One reason is the need for engine overhauls.

      Musk now promises us (just like the fantastic Stark laughing ) that reuse will be possible in a day. We will see. And let's see if NASA will consent to the use of used engines and ships for manned launches, which is what Musk is aiming for.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 24 December 2015 11: 12 New
        +1
        If possible, the start-ups will be cheaper by 30-40 percent no less.
        Even if a thorough inspection of the returning 1st stage
        take a week or two, anyway - a breakthrough.
        1. Gormenghast
          Gormenghast 24 December 2015 17: 55 New
          +1
          The space-ex Dragon's landing capsule is also theoretically reusable; however, so far there have been no precedents for its reuse.

          At the same time, I am particularly pleased to note that the lander of the Soviet Transport Supply Ship (TKS; had no own name) was actually reused in the late 70s and early 80s of the last century. Only heat protection was changed. The priority in this matter is with the beautiful and powerful USSR.

          And about the first stage - vague doubts torment me; the engine is full of fittings - nozzles, valves, squibs, seals - you can’t get by with just one inspection. RS-25, it was SSME, it was sorted out, replacing doubtful details.

          Reluctantly, I have to admit that Elon Musk, of course, is well done. However, he is strongly obsessed with aggressive and unreasonable advertising. Launch rates and media deadlines have not yet been respected; the carrying capacity of its missiles and their cost are far from declared. The Red Dragon promised and the superheavy carrier - so far only promises; deadlines are postponed. Spacex was inflated (although it initially positioned a reduction in price, including by a small staff). With commerce, he is also not very; launches, mainly for state money, by state order. One serious accident and one disaster already happened - and he is going to certify Falcon-9 for manned launches. In the matter of saving the astronauts he literally went through the asshole - for all the ships, the SAS was mounted on top of the carrier; it "pulls out“a ship or a capsule with astronauts from an emergency rocket due to multi-ton thrust of solid propellant engines. And Musk decided to combine the CAC with the ship’s engines - that is, they are under the ship’s ass, under the astronauts, and should not pull out, but carry the ship away from the exploding rocket. How it will work - no one knows yet.
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 24 December 2015 16: 06 New
        0
        Quote: Gormengast
        The return of the first stage of Falcon-9 has not yet proved the possibility of its reuse.

        Here, the distant sight is the development of landing and take-off from other planets. On Mars, for example, the atmosphere is very discharged and the landing of manned spacecraft (with subsequent take-off) will be carried out on a jet thrust.
  10. mpzss
    mpzss 24 December 2015 10: 27 New
    0
    and they say they landed on the moon ... what
  11. V.ic
    V.ic 24 December 2015 10: 27 New
    +1
    Does sanction mean sideways?
  12. Dr. Barmaley
    Dr. Barmaley 24 December 2015 10: 29 New
    +4
    Americans ordered a new batch of rocket engines in Russia
  13. Million
    Million 24 December 2015 10: 30 New
    +2
    It is necessary to raise the price of rocket engines. Sanctions .......
  14. guzik007
    guzik007 24 December 2015 10: 31 New
    -1
    oh how! Yesterday I slammed the campaign: =):



    Prohibit the export of RD-180 engines from the Russian Federation. What's so complicated ???

    uh no. not guessed. The asymmetric answer will be that we flood them with these engines so that we don’t know where to put them.
  15. veksha50
    veksha50 24 December 2015 10: 32 New
    +7
    "" Deliveries of a new batch will begin immediately after the previous order for 29 engines is completed "...

    Yeah ... But TsAGI in Zhukovsky was left without a “pipe" assembled by the Americans ...

    It’s time to find some way to coordinate the execution of contracts by both parties ...
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 24 December 2015 16: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: veksha50
      But TsAGI in Zhukovsky was left without a “pipe” assembled by the Americans ...

      It’s time to find some way to coordinate the execution of contracts by both parties ..

      That would be the right decision! So to speak - to your pleasure hi
  16. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 24 December 2015 10: 32 New
    +1
    NPO Energomash and Russia as a whole are good. High-tech products; it is not oil.

    Americans, of course, will develop their own engine, which at best will be similar in characteristics (it will not work better), but it will certainly be more expensive. If only because the RD-180 is half of the Soviet four-chamber RD-170; a significant part of the costs of its development was borne by the Soviet Union; in the current price of the engine these costs are not taken into account.
  17. asiat_61
    asiat_61 24 December 2015 10: 34 New
    +3
    The news is good. Europe is drooling due to sanctions, while mandalas are establishing trade. Europeans have no mind left, but this is their problem.
  18. Zomanus
    Zomanus 24 December 2015 10: 38 New
    0
    Well, maybe they put some preconditions.
    We are not told about all the clauses of the contract ...
  19. Tusv
    Tusv 24 December 2015 10: 42 New
    0
    The development of its own engine from the US budget was allocated $ 220 million.

    Very scary amount. Zero point one thousandths of an ocean. Only three deliveries of American astronauts to the ISS. But you need to take such an amount in one flight and the return is less than a pollard. Yes, it’s expensive, but who cares?
  20. aszzz888
    aszzz888 24 December 2015 10: 42 New
    +1
    The main Russophobe, who lost his mind in the Vietnamese pit, and nevertheless the senator, may not survive 2015 from such news!
    Kondraty will hug, and will write in the corners on his slippers! laughing fellow
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 24 December 2015 16: 15 New
      -3
      Quote: aszzz888
      The main Russophobe, who lost his mind in the Vietnamese pit, and nevertheless the senator, may not survive 2015 from such news!
      Kondraty will hug, and will write in the corners on his slippers!

      Many of his like-minded people on our site are also against selling engines! Here is a company gathered! smile
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 24 December 2015 18: 19 New
        -1
        Quote: Bayonet
        Many of his like-minded people (in this case) on our site are also against the sale of engines! Here is a company gathered!

        Is not it ??? Read the comments, and if you have nothing to say, then okay, minus the anger, but rather bite yourself in the seat - it’s easiersmile hi
  21. raiart
    raiart 24 December 2015 10: 43 New
    0
    Double feeling. It is certainly good that we are releasing a high-tech product that “sworn partners” cannot produce. On the other hand, “Them” doesn’t seem to give a damn about the place of production - there is loot - they will buy everything and anywhere, but they will achieve their GOALS. Our behavior is similar to the behavior of a rogue genius. But it would be right .. like Lukyanenko’s there: regression, friendship ...
  22. HAM
    HAM 24 December 2015 10: 47 New
    0
    And where are the Rogozin "trampolines" to whom have they already sold ??
    1. corporal
      corporal 24 December 2015 10: 54 New
      0
      Quote: HAM
      And where are the Rogozin "trampolines" to whom have they already sold ??

      They drank it and rolled it away (no one had time to blink an eye) ... wassat
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 24 December 2015 11: 08 New
      0
      Quote: HAM
      And where are the Rogozin "trampolines" to whom have they already sold ??

      The development was entrusted to Russian and Kazakh eighth graders, they will patent it for the third course :)
  23. Monax
    Monax 24 December 2015 11: 00 New
    0
    Sell ​​them a better slingshot to launch their missiles.
  24. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 24 December 2015 11: 04 New
    0
    It’s just a business: there is already your own engine, but it’s coming out more expensive than the Russian one.
  25. Sergey Vladimirovich
    Sergey Vladimirovich 24 December 2015 11: 07 New
    0
    These are the so-called conquerors of the moon :))) I am tormented by vague doubts about whether they were there

    What is there to doubt, no later than December 21, there was an article on VO about the bullet point, which was put in the American lunar scam ...

    http://topwar.ru/88163-v-lunnoy-afere-ssha-postavlena-zhirnaya-tochka.html
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 December 2015 12: 19 New
      0
      This bullet point is called - "Divorce suckers left video."
  26. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 24 December 2015 11: 18 New
    +1
    It turns out pretty funny. Europe like complies with the requirements of sanctions, even tries to bend by introducing new ones, and America meanwhile spit on its own sanctions when it smells of kerosene! And you guys there in Europe do what you are told! Clowns ..
    1. Mera joota
      Mera joota 24 December 2015 11: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: dchegrinec
      Clowns ..

      Sanctions were imposed for sale, not purchase. Anyway, they still buy oil and gas from Russia ...
  27. Chak
    Chak 24 December 2015 11: 26 New
    0
    Sanctions - means sanctions: raise the price tag, get an advance payment, delay it with execution, and if that - send it to ... or to ..., shrug and say "well, sanctions, you understand ...". With such "partners" the only way, and in the knee-elbow position to put them at any opportunity.
  28. triglav
    triglav 24 December 2015 11: 32 New
    0
    If inadequate McCain was even a little versed in engine building, he would not have yelled that the US was buying the RD-180 from Russia. You can’t do such an engine in a couple of days. Although they allocated money to develop their own, it is not known how long this development will take. So let them say thanks to ours. And bucks will not be superfluous to us. I would also increase the price. Where will they go ...
  29. cergey51046
    cergey51046 24 December 2015 11: 47 New
    -1
    In response to tougher sanctions, Russia is ready to sell US strategic equipment (engines). They do not respect themselves, so who will respect them?
  30. olegkrava
    olegkrava 24 December 2015 13: 07 New
    -1
    Quote: SS68SS
    She recalled that "the engines will be used on Atlas-5 American missiles until the United States develops and certifies its own new engine."


    No matter how these engines are sent to us from the explosives on board. Great is stupidity, and if it is also refueled by greed, then there will be trouble. Let them build their own, and we'll see. But someone from our government, well, I really want to eat jamon. They are trying to lower the country below the baseboard, and these ............ are happy, here we will earn a couple of lyamas. Give people a decent salary and you will be a couple of lyamov, but at home. The grabbers who do not know the measure finish on the chopping block. Im ho.
  31. Tiger4
    Tiger4 24 December 2015 13: 18 New
    0
    How is it that they are not afraid to buy engines from Russia? Once a month, at launches, something falls before it reaches the calculated trajectory ....
  32. afrikanez
    afrikanez 24 December 2015 13: 26 New
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    In the "stripes boys" arrogant! But what about the sanctions? It turns out that sanctions are sideways when they need something from us. negative
  33. lopvlad
    lopvlad 24 December 2015 17: 34 New
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    Quote: Tiger4
    How is it that they are not afraid to buy engines from Russia?


    what they are afraid of. They use our iron to mold their control systems on it.

    No matter how Russia sells these satellites to the Americans, sideways doesn’t work out the way they use our engines to launch their military vehicles into space.
  34. Old26
    Old26 24 December 2015 20: 21 New
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    Quote: Vovochka15
    Why, in response to new US sanctions, instead of engines, would we not deliver Rogozin trampolines to mattresses?

    But not everyone in Russia is so silly as Rogozin, who has a boneless language. He spent about a decade in NATO, he didn’t do anything for Russia, and therefore they placed him in a position where you need to rub your tongue.
    To offer trampolines in order to threaten a unique production with their own hands - only Rogozin is capable of this
  35. Old26
    Old26 24 December 2015 20: 26 New
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    Quote: olegkrava
    No matter how these engines are sent to us from the explosives on board

    On oxygen kerosene? Well, you and science fiction

    Quote: ChAK
    Sanctions - means sanctions: raise the price tag, get an advance payment, delay it with execution, and if that - send it to ... or to ..., shrug and say "well, sanctions, you understand ...". With such "partners" the only way, and in the knee-elbow position to put them at any opportunity.

    In fact, we work in such cases not even on an advance payment, but after full payment we only begin deliveries. The cost is already increased, compared with 2012-2013 from 9 to 11 million. Bullying even more is stupid. They simply will not buy, but invest in their own and receive (and so they already have the same tests and outputs), who will make worse? To the Americans? No, to myself, because for the plant it was a life buoy. You can raise prices and not sell, thereby destroying your unique production, that is, act on the principle of "spite frostbitten ears to grandmother"