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Konashenkov: Turkey actually confessed to intentionally destroying Su-24

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The statement of the official of the Turkish government about the number of sorties of Russian aircraft in Syria can be considered the "official recognition" that the destruction of the Su-24 was a planned operation, reports RIA News statement by the representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation Igor Konashenkov.




The general pointed to the information that appeared in the Turkish media, which presents accurate data on the number of sorties of the Russian Aerospace Force of the Russian Federation in Syria. At the same time, departure data was published with reference to Numan Kurtulmush, a representative of the Turkish government.

"This suggests that the command of the US Air Force passed to the General Staff of Turkey all the information that Russia provided to the American side," said Konashenkov.

“Thus, on November 24, when the Turkish fighter treacherously attacked our Su-24 bomber with a rocket, the Turkish General Staff was well aware of the time and in which area a pair of Russian bombers would perform the combat mission,” he said.

“The words of Numan Kurtulmush can be considered the official recognition by Turkey of the fact of a pre-planned operation to destroy the Russian plane in the Syrian sky and to kill the Russian military,” the general said.
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  1. volodimer
    volodimer 24 December 2015 09: 07 New
    19
    The obvious has become apparent.
    1. cniza
      cniza 24 December 2015 09: 11 New
      15
      Quote: volodimer
      The obvious has become apparent.


      "Язык мой , враг мой" - легко попались.
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    3. 79807420129
      79807420129 24 December 2015 09: 12 New
      20
      So it was immediately clear that it couldn’t do without mattresses, even though they squeal, I'm not me, and the hut is not mine,
      1. little girl15
        little girl15 24 December 2015 09: 42 New
        +2
        My tongue is my enemy! That's how they pierce. You have to follow the bazaar, gentlemen of the Turks, and you will look smarter.
    4. zanoza
      zanoza 24 December 2015 11: 03 New
      +5
      Quote: volodimer
      The obvious has become apparent.

      Да всё это, любой здравомыслящий человек,понял сразу. 17 сек "условного пролёта, со скоростью движения ишака, через аппендикс турецкой территории", по версии турок, не хватило бы для подъёма турецких перехватчиков в небо. Waited! And maybe they trained these actions on other days.Prepared provocation. Why did you need to do this ?! There are many versions. But they obviously did not achieve the intended results, and the problems became profitable.
      The sad thing is that all our reasonable and confirmed arguments of the tragic events, the West nevermind.
      Because of NATO solidarity, they will never condemn Turkey; they gloat over and applaud it quietly.
  2. Pal2004
    Pal2004 24 December 2015 09: 07 New
    +7
    So it was clear right away that the fool Turks included ...
    1. Thronekeeper
      Thronekeeper 24 December 2015 09: 45 New
      0
      It’s a pity that no infection can fly from Benka Gurionka to Ingerlik ... Even USAAF.
      Hid.
      A pair of shaker-churek in a duralumin (and preferably 4 16's), and Erdie will devour their own military, even if it is they who are guilty of provocation.
      All the more touristic generals need to look for a scapegoat
  3. Imperialkolorad
    Imperialkolorad 24 December 2015 09: 08 New
    +3
    So they have long been publicly screaming that they shot down specifically and it was the Russian plane.
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 24 December 2015 09: 12 New
    +2
    You can’t get through the Turks now. They rested like sheep and from this point you can’t move them while Erdogan is in power.
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 24 December 2015 09: 35 New
      +4
      Quote: rotmistr60
      They rested like sheep and from this point you can’t move them while Erdogan is in power.


      Да, Эрдоган ушлёпок безбашенный и от него можно ожидать любой пакости. Об этом даже в стане "союзников" Турции поговаривают.
      (cry.)
      1. Sashka
        Sashka 24 December 2015 12: 46 New
        0
        Quote: Lelek
        Да, Эрдоган ушлёпок безбашенный и от него можно ожидать любой пакости. Об этом даже в стане "союзников" Турции поговаривают.

        And not only Erdogan! They are all there!


        Turkey, by the mouth of the head of the Turkish Foreign Ministry, Mevlut Cavusoglu, advised Russia to "sit quietly, because Turkey’s patience is not unlimited."

        In Turkey, they said that together with NATO they are occupying Russia in a week.
        The Turkish government made another controversial statement to Russia, reports Pravda.ru. Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said that if Turkey and the NATO bloc unite, they will be able to occupy Russia in less than a week.

        According to the portal НurNeshchSchire, Cavusoglu voiced his position on the air of one of the Turkish television channels. “If necessary, we with NATO and regional allies will be able to occupy Russia in less than 7 days,” the publication quoted him as saying.

        Other points from the head of the Turkish Foreign Ministry were also full of threats and overt aggression. Among other things, the following phrase was heard on the air: “We urge Russia, one of our largest trading partners, to sit quietly, but we warn that our patience is not unlimited.”

        Such statements look very strange against the background of the position of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who says that Turkey wants to normalize relations with Russia and does not intend to continue the conflict.


        That's it ... Good day!
    2. Lukich
      Lukich 24 December 2015 11: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: rotmistr60
      You can’t get through the Turks now. They rested like sheep and from this point you can’t move them while Erdogan is in power.

      yes you can break through
  5. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 24 December 2015 09: 15 New
    +4
    О!Так я уже слышал предположение нашего руководства(поглавнее Конашенкова),что согласно договорённостям с США "О безопасности полётов" американской стороне предоставлялись данные о времени и полётных маршрутах нашей авиации.И намёк,что, мол,американцы передавали данные Анкаре.Надеюсь подобную практику прекратили. sad
  6. Woodman
    Woodman 24 December 2015 09: 17 New
    +2
    I still hope that soon they will also publicly regret their action.
  7. seti
    seti 24 December 2015 09: 18 New
    +3
    According to Putin, before our more or less serious air defense systems in Syria there wasn’t, and now let the Turks fly over the territory of Syria.
  8. Engineer
    Engineer 24 December 2015 09: 20 New
    11
    I have a simple question: So what? Even if Erdogan openly says: I ordered to bring down specially. What to change? NOTHING! That's the problem.
    1. evge-malyshev
      evge-malyshev 24 December 2015 11: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Engineer
      Even if Erdogan openly says: I ordered to bring down specially. What to change? NOTHING! That's the problem.


      Так и есть. НИЧЕГО НЕ ИЗМЕНИТСЯ. Ведь ни один из членов "нато" не сделал даже малейшего намека для осуждения "турции".
  9. Dazzl
    Dazzl 24 December 2015 09: 20 New
    +5
    Everything was clear there, why they shot down and why
  10. Crucian
    Crucian 24 December 2015 09: 21 New
    +2
    As if normal people had any doubts about the intentionality of the downing ....
  11. Dimka off
    Dimka off 24 December 2015 09: 22 New
    +1
    Now you definitely need to give an answer. For one shot down ours - to bring down 5 Turkish.
    1. Ze Kot
      Ze Kot 24 December 2015 10: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Dimka off
      Now you definitely need to give an answer. For one shot down ours - to bring down 5 Turkish.



      If you did not immediately give an answer, then now there will definitely be nothing. Tomatoes banned and that's enough ...
      1. Naum
        Naum 24 December 2015 11: 06 New
        +2
        Ответ дали в течение суток. После того, как нашли второго пилота-штурмана, в том квадрате устроили "ковровую" артобработку ракетами всяческого базирования. Очень много Карабасов отправилось на свидание к гуриям. Среди них и некие спецотряды поиска и даже енерал турецкий. Мало не показалось никому и процесс продолжается.
        As for Turkey, the masks are now reset. I would like to believe in the friendship of the eternal sworn enemies, but sudden miracles do not happen ...
  12. sl22277
    sl22277 24 December 2015 09: 22 New
    +1
    They talked about this from the very beginning. Perhaps the most important thing is that a downed Russian attack aircraft did not push Russia into Turkey. There are other methods of influence ... Turks are puppets and diligent performers in this matter. Customer is Washington.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 24 December 2015 09: 35 New
      +7
      Americans with the hands of the Turks shot down our plane. And here many goals are pursued. It is checked: our anti-aircraft defense, our missile defense equipment for bombers, and most importantly, our REACTION to a downed plane. Maybe something else, which we do not know yet.
  13. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 24 December 2015 09: 25 New
    0
    The US is acting like the last whore. Unfortunately, there are no international rules governing the responsibility for the disclosure of confidential information. Therefore, they are overgrown at the end.
    1. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 24 December 2015 10: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: avg-mgn
      The US is acting like the last whore. Unfortunately, there are no international rules governing the responsibility for the disclosure of confidential information. Therefore, they are overgrown at the end.

      The United States is an aggressor, hiding behind the slogans of peace, democracy, and the fight against terror. It is necessary to interact with them, but never forget that terrorism is their brainchild. They do not recognize their parenthood, but will always provide real support.
    2. avdkrd
      avdkrd 24 December 2015 10: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: avg-mgn
      The US is acting like the last whore. Unfortunately, there are no international rules governing the responsibility for the disclosure of confidential information. Therefore, they are overgrown at the end.

      US policy is more like pimp behavior, there is no shortage of whores. Sikorski spoke about Polish suction, but sucks all of NATO. All NATO officials are on a short leash with Amers, the interests of their countries are secondary to them. The same situation with the European Union - the sovereignty of the participating countries is neutered, the policy is determined by the European Parliament, where the majority, by a strange coincidence, promote American interests. It is noteworthy that officials of almost any country in the European Union (with rare exceptions such as Latvia and Lithuania) speak positively about Russia or neutral, but every time there is a Sabbath in the European Parliament, contrary to the interests of the entire European Union or individual countries.
    3. olgen58
      olgen58 24 December 2015 17: 31 New
      0
      Unfortunately, Turkey behaves like a whore, and even more unfortunately, there are a lot of such whores in Europe, only they have one star-striped
  14. Sergey Vladimirovich
    Sergey Vladimirovich 24 December 2015 09: 26 New
    +1
    “The words of Numan Kurtulmush can be considered the official recognition by Turkey of the fact of a pre-planned operation to destroy the Russian plane in the Syrian sky and to kill the Russian military,” the general said.


    Естественно! Думать, что это случайность может только тот, кто "не от мира сего"... Такие вещи случайно не происходят, потому, что этого не может быть никогда! И с чьей подачи это сделано, не понятно только дураку! Осмелились бы турки принять такое решение самостоятельно!!!??? Да сейчас!
  15. -Traveller-
    -Traveller- 24 December 2015 09: 28 New
    0
    nonsense. Kanashenok himself announces the exact number of sorties daily. or in the Turkish media, these data were more accurate?
    how this speaks of planning or spontaneity is not at all clear, things that are not interconnected.
    here is the news.
    1. Niki
      Niki 24 December 2015 09: 38 New
      +2
      But do not allow the version that the voiceover of the quantity for the public takes place at the end of the day, and it was on that day that the number of sorties was not announced just because the plane was shot down?
      The Turks had nowhere to find out if they had not used the Americans as coordinators of the action.
      In fact, it is a matter of the fact that an accidental attack of an unexpectedly appearing aircraft did not work out without a pre-planned and coinciding in time (this is important!) Departure of the interceptor.
      1. KVIRTU
        KVIRTU 24 December 2015 11: 33 New
        +1
        "Туркам неоткуда было узнать":
        When our plane is only taxiing out, an intensive radio exchange of the pilot begins with the flight manager, then with the navigation guides, etc., which the Turks elementarily fix by means of radio interception. When you climb 1500-2000 m, they are easily taken for escort by Turkish radars from their territory. Plus acoustic and visual intelligence data in the area of ​​the aerodrome.
        I mean, there really are no accidents here. F-16s were promptly raised and brought to the line of attack.
        (their rate of climb is not more than 275 m / s)
    2. ML-334
      ML-334 24 December 2015 09: 43 New
      +1
      Read the article carefully and you will understand everything.
      1. -Traveller-
        -Traveller- 24 December 2015 12: 00 New
        +1
        read it again. Turkish media provide accurate data on the number of flights of the Russian Air Force.
        Kanashenka himself regularly broadcasts these data.
        or do you think that the Turks can’t translate from Russian?
        How does this information indicate the planning or spontaneity of the drying attack?
        where is the logical connection?
    3. veksha50
      veksha50 24 December 2015 10: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: -Traveller-
      nonsense. Kanashenok himself announces the exact number of sorties daily.



      Hmm ... Announcing the number of departures made or getting into our hands almost a time schedule and flight routes is far from the same ...
  16. Oleg1080
    Oleg1080 24 December 2015 09: 34 New
    0
    It is necessary to act so that the mattress covers themselves disown the Turks, and then indent Erdogan .... into the ears.
  17. Shuttle
    Shuttle 24 December 2015 09: 35 New
    0
    It’s interesting, when the Turks get tired of dying in the war with their own and other Kurds and they write off Erdogan as Saakashvili’s Georgians, then will Poroshenko take him to him?
    Of course, Recep is much larger than Miho, but there is something in common - both attack their citizens, who do not want to be their citizens. And on the Russian military.
    1. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 24 December 2015 11: 37 New
      0
      it so happened historically that the Turks have always been above the Kurds. for 1000 years now. therefore, Barzani relied on the Turks, not on the Persians or Arabs, so he has the prospect of de facto independence turning into de jure. and after that it will be like this: if you want to live in an independent Kurdistan - blow to a barzani, or remain a Turkish citizen and do not buzi.
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  18. Mera joota
    Mera joota 24 December 2015 09: 37 New
    -10
    The general pointed to the information that appeared in the Turkish media, which provides accurate data on the number of flights of the Russian Air Force in Syria.

    Comrade General is either booby or pretends to be. What the hell is complicated in fixing already departures? For a country with air defense systems this is not a problem.

    Ну и самое главное. Товарищ Конашенков, ТУРКИ СМЕЮТСЯ НАД ВАМИ, ОНИ ОТКРОВЕННО ПЛЮЮТ НА ВАШИ ЗАЯВЛЕНИЯ, ИМ ВАШЕ СЛОВОБЛУДИЕ ДО ОДНОГО МЕСТА. Хватит скулить о предательском ударе в спину, турки не давали никаких гарантий не сбивать наши самолеты, даже наоборот. У вас извращенное понятие о термине "предательство" и "удар в спину". Вы устроили цирк на весь мир, вы позорите страну выставляя себя обиженными юродивыми... Хватит уже!
    1. ML-334
      ML-334 24 December 2015 09: 47 New
      +1
      You are too eccentric, keep yourself in control.
      1. Naum
        Naum 24 December 2015 11: 12 New
        +2
        More precisely - hysterical (... ((
    2. gg.na
      gg.na 24 December 2015 11: 12 New
      0
      Quote: Mera Joota
      . Stop whining about a treacherous stab in the back

      And no one whines! We operate with facts in statements and with these facts we will unambiguously crush Turkoplet.
      1. -Traveller-
        -Traveller- 24 December 2015 11: 39 New
        0
        so far only blah blah blah
      2. Mera joota
        Mera joota 24 December 2015 11: 44 New
        0
        Quote: gg.na
        We operate with facts in statements and with these facts we will unambiguously crush Turkoplet.


        Премьер Турции Ахмет Давутоглу не воспринимает всерьез слова президента РФ Владимира Путина о том, что, сбив российский Су-24, турецкие власти решили "лизнуть американцев в одно место". По его словам, эти заявления вызывают у него улыбку "Всерьез принимать такие заявления будет оскорблением", — сказал добавил турецкий политик.

        Перефразирую его: "Да болтает всякую ерунду, полоумный, что с него взять, мы же понимаем..." - если есть иные варианты, то прошу высказать.

        Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan accused Russia of staging a “propaganda show” from the process of deciphering the “black box” of the Russian Su-24, which was shot down in November, reports Dailysabah. “While the whole world supported Turkish law, this hypocritical propaganda show makes no sense,” Erdogan said.

        There is nothing to rephrase here at all, everything is quite obvious.

        И как вы собираетесь фактами "задавить туркоплётов"? Они смеются над тем, чем вы собираетесь "задавить".
        1. olgen58
          olgen58 24 December 2015 17: 40 New
          +1
          However, the Turkish Air Force with a smile on their faces are afraid approaching the Syrian border.
    3. Vitaly72
      Vitaly72 24 December 2015 11: 57 New
      0
      Sorry minus you accidentally set-wanted plus click
  19. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 24 December 2015 09: 45 New
    +1
    Ну и что? Помогло этот Пекшкову О.А и его семье? Надо так "Причесать" эту местность, чтобы через сто лет местные вспоминали, что ствол в небо поднимать нельзя... Нет полезно...
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 24 December 2015 11: 24 New
      0
      In any case, the family will live in Crimea in decent conditions and receive a lifetime pension. For me, this is all that a man can do for his family.
  20. private person
    private person 24 December 2015 09: 48 New
    +3
    Does this change anything? The Turks don’t feel guilty, they did what they wanted and showed the whole world that Russians should not be afraid, and the general just turned the other cheek one by one he had already received.
  21. rus-5819
    rus-5819 24 December 2015 09: 49 New
    +4
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    Americans with the hands of the Turks shot down our plane ...
    Maybe something else, which we do not know yet.


    And where is the guarantee that the American pilot did not sit on the Turkish plane? Identification marks, as practice shows, do not mean anything.
    1. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 24 December 2015 11: 41 New
      0
      But where is the guarantee that Obama is not himself? laughing
  22. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 24 December 2015 09: 50 New
    +2
    but I didn’t say figs to exchange flight data, I immediately said when they started to do it. I could even see from the sofa that this could not be done.
  23. Zomanus
    Zomanus 24 December 2015 09: 57 New
    +4
    Well, what is the evidence base,
    confirming our allegations, brought.
    After all, Edorgan spoke and is talking about
    that Turkey had no idea whose plane it was.
    And it somehow serves as an excuse.
    Well, now it’s clear, based on verified data,
    that the Turks clearly knew whose plane they shot down.
    1. Serg koma
      Serg koma 24 December 2015 10: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Zomanus
      After all, Edorgan spoke and is talking about
      that Turkey had no idea whose plane it was

      Это равносильно если бы сказал - "Мы сбили "неизвестный" самолёт, он был нам неприятен..., но мы не "знали" что он из НАТО" laughing
      Кто же ТАМ летает, и КУДА смотрит(вернее не смотрит, если верить туркам) ПВО Турции? ГШ Турции наверное тоже "не имеет" данных об участии ВВС всех коалиций в небе Сирии negative
  24. aszzz888
    aszzz888 24 December 2015 10: 06 New
    0
    Turkotnya will turn everything inside out and will be justified. As it was more than once or twice.
    "Мочить в сартире!" - это самый лучший рецепт. laughing
  25. WHEEL
    WHEEL 24 December 2015 10: 08 New
    +1
    so the Turks do not hide that they intentionally shot down the plane, but as they say for the violation of Turkish airspace and their allies, apparently at this point with the Turks are in solidarity, so that all of them will speak with Russian statements.
  26. vladimirw
    vladimirw 24 December 2015 10: 18 New
    +1
    Who would doubt that! The Americans are ready to ruin forever
  27. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 24 December 2015 10: 21 New
    +4
    From the very beginning, it could be assumed that information about the flights of the airborne forces transmitted by the USA will be transmitted by them to everyone, including to the terrorists. The role of Turkey and the United States in the formation of the IG is understandable to everyone - you can’t conceal it in a bag.
    You cannot return the past, the plane was shot down, people died, the Russian Federation got hit in the back and spit in the face.
    I noticed that when assessing the number of IS fighters, the figure is 70 thousand, with the number of VKS sorties over 4 thousand. with the destruction of IS facilities, even if we assume that there were 10 militants at each object (in each case, several people are present at each object, somewhere the group may be larger, somewhere less, depending on the purpose of the object) militants should be about 40 thousand, plus the actions of the ATS, i.e. today, the IG should already be on the verge of disruption. Today there is no such picture, not only active resistance continues, but there are attempts to attack.
    This leads to the conclusion that information about the places and objects of the bombing is transmitted to the militants who leave the objects to be destroyed. And the USA is leaking information to both its ward fighters and other states-orphaned bandits of bandits in Syria - almost all of them support .
    The interested parties in the destruction of terrorists are Syria, Russia, Iran, the Kurds, all the other participants pursue the goal of continuing the armed confrontation in the country or helping them.
    Will proper conclusions be drawn? The trust in Turkey, with a full understanding of its ties with the Islamic State, cost us too much.
    1. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 24 December 2015 11: 44 New
      0
      what the Kurds are interested in is still a very big question.
      1. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 24 December 2015 13: 22 New
        0
        But the Kurds really oppose the IS, just as the IS really destroys the Kurds.
  28. veksha50
    veksha50 24 December 2015 10: 23 New
    +2
    "«Это говорит о том, что US Air Force Command Transmits All Information To Turkish General Staff, которые Россия предоставляла американской стороне"...

    Um ... And what's so surprising ??? Did someone expect something else ???

    All this talk about the exchange of information about flights in order to ensure their safety is a deliberate mess ...
    A lot of American-British-French such information provided us ???

    Так что вот это заявление подходит к определению: "После драки кулаками не машут"...
    It was necessary to give an otter right away, and not engage in talking more talk now ...
  29. Gray 43
    Gray 43 24 December 2015 10: 26 New
    0
    So what? They admitted that they shot down, but we won’t wait for apologies and compensations, it’s such an empty flutter, and in general this provocation is more like a setup, but quietly, quietly everything rises on the brakes because the situation is stalemate.
    1. Vitaly72
      Vitaly72 24 December 2015 12: 10 New
      0
      That's it ! Enrages it! My grandfather for a friend until the 45th on the butt made nicks, and then we slap his lips like a nickname
  30. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 24 December 2015 10: 44 New
    0
    Humanitarian assistance in the amount of 6,2 million dollars, or 40 million yuan, will allocate China to the government of Syria. This was stated by Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi after talks with his Syrian counterpart Valid Muallem
  31. asiat_61
    asiat_61 24 December 2015 10: 53 New
    +1
    Our plane flew to Israel the other day. Of course, the Jews were following him, but they didn’t try to shoot down. Our apologies and the incident was over. There’s no place to fly at modern speeds. The rest was said without me.
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 24 December 2015 11: 27 New
      +2
      Given the number of Jews flying into the sky of Syria and the complete ignorance of these facts by our air defense, shooting down our aircraft for the Jews would be a really bad idea. And smart Jews understand this better than us and sit quietly and do not attract unnecessary attention to themselves.
  32. R150
    R150 24 December 2015 12: 01 New
    +1
    about the black box of the downed su https://www.drive2.ru/b/2615302/
    I think that in the subject, the Turks are the Turks but this is pi .... the furry beast is shorter ...
  33. WHEEL
    WHEEL 24 December 2015 12: 25 New
    -2
    Quote: R150
    about the black box of the downed su https://www.drive2.ru/b/2615302/
    I think that in the subject, the Turks are the Turks but this is pi .... the furry beast is shorter ...

    pro..all all polymers - that's for sure.
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