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What makes the Russian people stand out against the background of the whole world, if not making it God's chosen, then giving the opportunity to fight for the truth and all the good on the full grounds? How do we differ not only from conditional Americans, Germans, but also from Chinese, Brazilians, Egyptians and other nations? Perhaps, there is only one definite answer to this question: it is Russian culture, the great pillar of morality, on which modern Russia rests.


Only for faith and truth

The topic I touch may seem overly beaten up to everyone, but at the same time it is a very important spiritual side of our life. We talk and think little about it. Meanwhile, the very roots of modern Russian morality lie in a culture shaped by beautiful novels, poems, paintings, sketches of Russian creators.

I will say a commonplace, but very important commonplace: for the past several hundred years, Russia has always stood on the side of good. We did not wage colonial wars in the generally accepted sense and did not oppress the marginal peoples, but quite the opposite - we condoned on the basis of parochial nationalism, which later yielded fruit. We were law enforcement officers, in a good sense, the gendarmes of Europe.

The Russian Empire held a fragile structure after the Napoleonic wars, when the ambitions of individual states threatened to redraw the entire map. It was thanks to the Soviet Union that the countries of Eastern Europe were saved from complete cultural and physical destruction, and Germany, beaten and humiliated, retained at least some forms of statehood and was later reunited. And when the USSR collapsed, it was we who took upon ourselves the general debt burden, having saved (and, apparently, in vain) our former "brothers" from him.

The origins of Russian honesty

This is not self-praise and not boasting, but a completely truthful fact - the Russian people grew up on a basis that gave us positive tendencies towards development for centuries to come. The historians, of course, have already guessed what I am talking about: Orthodoxy, as a religious belief, formed a special spirituality in us, incomprehensible to Western people. There were almost no wars for faith in the Russian land, except for the intervention of the Turks, Poles, Swedes and other instigators of the new order. All of them have always been bits - a different result and could not be.

Recall that the first writers of Russia were chroniclers from the clergy, the first artists were the monks and their students. Their works were deeply traditional and at the same time fully reflected the spirit of the times. And they did not so much teach people morality as they took it from popular culture, tales and legends.

Alexander Sergeevich Pushkin, the generally recognized “creator” of the literary Russian language, was brought up precisely on ancient Russian fairy tales, without which he would be profoundly incomplete. In the future, the works of our writers acquired a certain tinge of justice, eternal moral and spiritual searches and torments. The Karamazov brothers, Andrei Bolkonsky and Pierre Bezukhov, countless heroes of the stories of Anton Chekhov - they were all looking for the truth. And not everyone was able to find her, but at least he tried and did not go out of the path destined to him.

Strictly speaking, every truly Russian person looks like the heroes described by the great creators of 19 and 20 of the century with every part of his soul. He is kind and brave, there is not a drop of falsehood in him, and most importantly - in no case will he tolerate injustice. Neither on their own land, nor on a stranger.

And when today in Novorossia, Syria, or anywhere else, the foot of the Russian person is stepping, the everyday conflict turns into a struggle between good and evil, truth and lies. Ours are on the bright side. And I believe in them.
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  1. 24rus
    24rus 27 December 2015 12: 15 New
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    I’ll also add the ability to self-sacrifice for a high purpose
    1. Uran
      Uran 27 December 2015 12: 20 New
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      and the courage of the Russian spirit !!!
      1. Down House
        Down House 27 December 2015 13: 14 New
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        Quote: Uranus
        and the courage of the Russian spirit !!!

        And the Vietnamese who stood in front of the United States in a terrible war had little courage ?! request
        1. Alexanderrr
          Alexanderrr 27 December 2015 13: 32 New
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          Quote: Down House
          Quote: Uranus
          and the courage of the Russian spirit !!!

          And the Vietnamese who stood in front of the United States in a terrible war had little courage ?! request

          We helped them during this war against evil - the USA!
          1. Down House
            Down House 27 December 2015 14: 13 New
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            Quote: Alexanderrr
            We helped them during this war against evil - the USA!

            And we also helped Egypt
            And the US helped "Afghanistan"
            And the United States also helped the USSR
            But who in the jungle then climbed in holes request
            1. Truth
              Truth 27 December 2015 16: 54 New
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              Mr. Down House, I was not too lazy and looked through almost all of your comments on VO, the style of your commenting, it is painfully similar to the recommendations in the manuals ...
              In general, read the article published on VO dated December 18, 2015 13:23 "Meet the Russian-speaking agent of the State Department!"
              You will understand what I mean ...
              1. S_last
                S_last 27 December 2015 23: 16 New
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                And you will forgive where and when you studied the recommendations from the manuals, share. In principle, you can even lay out a scan for us, it will be very interesting to read these very manuals.
                1. Truth
                  Truth 28 December 2015 05: 59 New
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                  Check out.
                  http://topwar.ru/88035-znakomtes-russkoyazychnyy-agent-gosdepa.html#comment-id-5
                  369831
                2. gladcu2
                  gladcu2 29 December 2015 14: 03 New
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                  S_last

                  Not an agent. But I have my opinion. I don’t disgrace my flag.

                  I agree with the author of the article, but not 100%.

                  Yes, over the past 300 years, Russia has not shown itself to be an aggressor. Of course there were wars, but the motivation in them was not a predatory plan.

                  But the question is, why does Russian thinking have fairness? The author explained the Orthodox religion. Here is the main field for thought. And the correct conclusion is very important to deduce. And understand the continuity in generations.

                  It is necessary to take into account the modern period. Since the last 100 years, the church has lost its widespread influence. The moral has undergone changes, but not catastrophically. The question is why so? The answer is not quite on the surface.
        2. JIaIIoTb
          JIaIIoTb 27 December 2015 14: 02 New
          +9
          Quote: Down House
          Quote: Uranus
          and the courage of the Russian spirit !!!

          And the Vietnamese who stood in front of the United States in a terrible war had little courage ?! request


          The courage of the Vietnamese plus the Russian spirit was the key to victory.
          The Vietnamese are certainly well done, but without our help they would hardly have won.
          1. Down House
            Down House 27 December 2015 14: 14 New
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            Quote: JIaIIoTb
            The courage of the Vietnamese plus the Russian spirit was the key to victory.

            If with a statement of facts, then the courage of the Vietnamese plus Russian weapons and education.
      2. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 27 December 2015 14: 01 New
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        It’s interesting for the author. Everything kept and keeps only on Orthodoxy? Or maybe look into the Russian soul deeper? What about the millions of atheists who sacrificed themselves in the Great Patriotic War for the sake of our common Victory? With communists, Komsomol members? Not with those who built their personal careers on ideology, but with those who gave their lives for the country?
        But what about our compatriots of other faiths? With atheists?
        My wife’s mother is a blockade of Leningrad. So, it was not the church that saved her, but our Soviet people. If it’s interesting, there are three elderly Jews whom you certainly will not suspect in Orthodoxy. And dividing our people into faiths and nationalities is nothing but a way of enslaving souls to achieve petty mercenary goals of various “leaders” and “spiritual fathers”.
        I'm an atheist. An officer. The son and grandson of the cadre military, devoted to their country until the last breath. I am a descendant of those who fell in the name of their homeland. And do not impose on me the "leading role" of Orthodoxy. In our history, everything is much more complicated.
        1. rom8726
          rom8726 27 December 2015 14: 48 New
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          that same feeling when you live in Akademgorodok, and they tell you that everything rests on Orthodoxy laughing
          1. CONTROL
            CONTROL 28 December 2015 08: 19 New
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            Quote: rom8726
            that same feeling when you live in Akademgorodok, and they tell you that everything rests on Orthodoxy laughing

            ... Orthodox atheist?! ...
        2. Nick
          Nick 27 December 2015 14: 59 New
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          Quote: Reserve officer
          It’s interesting for the author. Everything kept and keeps only on Orthodoxy? Or maybe look into the Russian soul deeper? What about the millions of atheists who sacrificed themselves in the Great Patriotic War for the sake of our common Victory? With communists, Komsomol members? Not with those who built their personal careers on ideology, but with those who gave their lives for the country?

          Even atheists have a worldview formed by the centuries-old culture of the people, which, in turn, is based on Orthodoxy too. But not only. By the way, real, traditional Islam, whose carriers there are many in Russia, profess the same values ​​as Orthodoxy.
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 27 December 2015 15: 20 New
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            Quote: Nick
            Even atheists have a worldview formed by the centuries-old culture of the people, which, in turn, is based on Orthodoxy too.
            Atheists do not deny faith (like love and hope, the original values ​​of a person), but distinguish between faith and religion, which exploits faith. With the development of society, religions also changed, and each subsequent one declared the previous beliefs as heresy and paganism. Speaking about Orthodoxy, we must understand that the choice fell on him because there was a political need for Russia, and that of the world religions it turned out to be closest to Russian culture. And it was not Orthodoxy that made Russians Russian, but Russian culture, the Russian world, breathed the Russian soul into it.
            1. rom8726
              rom8726 27 December 2015 15: 43 New
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              Per se, your golden words! vehemently plus)))
              1. Manul
                Manul 27 December 2015 22: 59 New
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                Quote: rom8726
                Per se, your golden words! vehemently plus)))

                Bravely minus. My vision is higher. And violently plus, this is not understanding. Write the result of your thoughts. We are all interested.
            2. Russiamoy
              Russiamoy 27 December 2015 18: 01 New
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              And it was not Orthodoxy that made Russians Russian, but Russian culture, the Russian world, breathed the Russian soul into it.

              and before Orthodoxy, what happened in Russia ?. Paganism is the same manifestation of faith. a person cannot live without faith and no matter how it is expressed. the main thing is that she carries. and it’s not necessary to go to the temple every weekend or pray repeatedly many times a day, wear long dresses, etc. In Soviet times, the role of religion was assumed by ideology (just don’t need to know about the essence of socialism, I’m talking about something else). and this is also good for someone, since the Soviet upbringing didn’t do anything bad especially when brought up at school, it’s just who is close. and most importantly, that it carries good, peace and other moral values. not to be confused with European values, by the way, the degradation of morality in Europe is also due to the fact that people are estranged from religion.
            3. Bespectacled
              Bespectacled 27 December 2015 19: 50 New
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              Quote: Per se.
              Atheists do not deny faith (like love and hope, the original values ​​of a person), but distinguish between faith and religion, which exploits faith.
            4. Wheel
              Wheel 27 December 2015 22: 09 New
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              Quote: Per se.
              Atheists do not deny faith


              Atheism (dr. Greek ἄθεος - “denial of God”, “godlessness”; from a - “without” + θεός - “god”) in the broad sense - rejection of faith in the existence of gods; in the narrower, the belief that gods do not exist [6]. In the broadest sense, atheism is a simple lack of faith in the existence of any of the gods.
              1. Bespectacled
                Bespectacled 27 December 2015 23: 28 New
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                In this case, Buddhism is also possible, since it has no concepts of God and soul, which is considered a world religion - attributed to atheism. It is more like spiritual philosophy.
                But I think that this is not about that. In everyday life, a person can be essentially a believer in something supernatural, but not be religious. The concept of God is abstract for him. It is naive to imagine a personal god sitting in heaven and governing all that exists. One should be given eternal life for righteous deeds, others should be sent to “hell” for sins and vices, and life from the creation of the world according to the Bible is 6000 years. These dogmas are outdated long ago and look ridiculous.
                But the fact of the matter is that religion rests on these dogmas and is practically incapable of evolution (improvement). So, for example, only in 1992. the Catholic Church has recognized that the earth revolves around the sun ... Other religions, like Islam, are generally categorically conservative and do not accept any "distortions" and deformations.
                From the point of view of orthodox believers, anyone else who does not recognize or deviate from their supposedly "true" beliefs is a heretic or generally an atheist.
                I can also be attributed to an atheist, which believers have repeatedly reproached me. smile Although I adhere to a pantheistic worldview, I do not in any way reject any other religion and respect science.
                1. Wheel
                  Wheel 28 December 2015 00: 25 New
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                  Quote: bespectacled
                  In this case, Buddhism is also possible, since it has no concepts of God and soul, which is considered a world religion - attributed to atheism.
                  Well, Buddhism, strictly speaking, is not a religion. Many researchers define it as philosophy, ethical teaching, cultural tradition, civilization, education ...
                  The XIV Dalai Lama, for example, defines it as "the science of consciousness."
                2. Gorinich
                  Gorinich 28 December 2015 12: 43 New
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                  Such people seem to have a name: Gnostics.
            5. Manul
              Manul 27 December 2015 22: 55 New
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              Quote: Per se.
              Atheists do not deny faith (like love and hope, the original values ​​of a person), but distinguish between faith and religion, which exploits faith.

              Who are you responsible for now? For young teens who have atheism in their blood? And what have all the holders of the world been using for centuries in a row? You yourself are wise atheists recorded? Well, let’s tell us about atheism, and maybe about anarchism? Those 17s ..
              If you are an atheist, then deny, and do not balance on the edge.
          2. rom8726
            rom8726 27 December 2015 15: 41 New
            +4
            professes the same values ​​as Orthodoxy

            if you think carefully, then these values ​​(all the commandments including) are ordinary common sense and eternal morality, and not the invention of any religion.
            1. Down House
              Down House 27 December 2015 15: 45 New
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              Quote: rom8726
              if you think carefully, these values

              You think so, because they DIDN'T READ and confuse the commandments with mortal sins, and these commandments are very, very "healthy", for example "do not boil a kid in his mother's milk" - and this is correct and this is very moral fellow
          3. CONTROL
            CONTROL 28 December 2015 08: 21 New
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            Quote: Nick
            Quote: Reserve officer
            It’s interesting for the author. Everything kept and keeps only on Orthodoxy? Or maybe look into the Russian soul deeper? What about the millions of atheists who sacrificed themselves in the Great Patriotic War for the sake of our common Victory? With communists, Komsomol members? Not with those who built their personal careers on ideology, but with those who gave their lives for the country?

            Even atheists have a worldview formed by the centuries-old culture of the people, which, in turn, is based on Orthodoxy too. But not only. By the way, real, traditional Islam, whose carriers there are many in Russia, profess the same values ​​as Orthodoxy.

            ... well, I’ve removed it from my tongue! ... Do you have another time zone there, or what? ...
        3. Russiamoy
          Russiamoy 27 December 2015 17: 49 New
          +1
          We’ll talk to you when you are 70 years old. A lot of people by this age, being atheists all their life, start going to the temple and believing, and not because it’s fashionable. I respect your not aggressive point of view. but it seems to me that everyone has such a moment ...
          ps no one begs the feat of our parents and ancestors, but it’s not worth forgetting that they were forced to beat out for decades by Orthodoxy. moreover, the ancestors of our ancestors were almost 100% Orthodox about this and it
          1. wef
            wef 27 December 2015 19: 18 New
            +3
            ps no one begs the feat of our parents and ancestors, but it’s not worth forgetting that they were forced to beat out for decades by Orthodoxy. moreover, the ancestors of our ancestors were almost 100% Orthodox about this and it
            .
            But do not forget that in this way the faith that is now called paganism was knocked out of our ancestors.
          2. Wheel
            Wheel 27 December 2015 22: 12 New
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            Quote: Russiamoya
            We’ll talk to you when you are 70 years old. A lot of people by this age, being atheists all their life, start going to the temple and believing, and not because it’s fashionable. I respect your not aggressive point of view. but it seems to me that everyone has such a moment ...

            Well, so your statement applies to women, and even then not to everyone. winked
          3. Wheel
            Wheel 27 December 2015 23: 00 New
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            Quote: Russiamoya
            ps no one begs the feat of our parents and ancestors, but it’s not worth forgetting that they were forced to beat out for decades by Orthodoxy. moreover, the ancestors of our ancestors were almost 100% Orthodox about this and it

            No need to thoughtlessly repeat the current propaganda, it, hmm, a little misinterprets the real situation in pre-revolutionary times.
            Actually, honest priests now (and then) recognize this.
            According to statistics for 1910, after the publication of the law on the abolition of the obligatory Communion of Orthodox citizens of the Russian Empire, only 10% of the personnel of the Armed Forces of the Russian Army proceeded to the Sacrament of Communion. While before the adoption of this law, 80% of military personnel communed. That is, 70% of Russian soldiers were already "out of hand" and proceeded to Communion "from under the stick." (see: George Shavelsky, Protopresbyter. Memoirs of the last Protopresbyter of the Army and Navy).
            Hmm, then try to openly declare your unbelief if the “Penal Code” had a special section, “Crimes against Faith,” which provided for such punishments as a reference to eternal settlement, hard labor for up to 8 years, etc. Even for the fact that a person did not inform the authorities about the blasphemy he witnessed, he was supposed to be imprisoned for 6-8 months. And for civil servants according to the law of the Russian Empire, every citizen of the Orthodox faith was obliged to submit to the relevant state bodies a document issued in the church stating that he (the citizen) at least once a year embarked on the Sacraments of Confession and Communion.
            An interesting fact is that after the Provisional Government announced an amnesty "for all political and religious affairs" / Sat. decrees and decrees of the Provisional Government. Pg., 1917. Issue. 1. Dept. I. № 5. P. 7-8 /, the attendance of temples during the month fell by 30%, and by October by 70%.

            So your statement about "forced knocking out" sins somewhat against the truth.
            1. Weyland
              Weyland 28 December 2015 19: 13 New
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              Quote: Wheel
              70% of Russian soldiers were already "torn out" and proceeded to Communion "from under the stick."


              Special thanks for this to Peter 1mu with his decree that the priests required violate the secret of confession and "knock" on their parishioners who have repented of anti-government thoughts! Oh, it was not for nothing that the Old Believers considered Peter the Antichrist!
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        5. tovaris_s
          tovaris_s 27 December 2015 21: 14 New
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          That's right, with a little addition. Christians in Russia were the descendants of pagans - Rus, dew, it doesn't matter. Maybe the very "Three from the Forest". The progenitors of Murom, Muscovites, Peryaslavsky, Tversky, .... The list is not small. Namely us, those very Russians - bakers, carpenters, pioneers, priests. Brittov, Germantsev, Yakutov, Bashkirov, Chechenov and ... Russians, as well as Russians.
        6. Manul
          Manul 27 December 2015 22: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: Reserve officer
          It’s interesting for the author. Everything kept and keeps only on Orthodoxy? Or maybe look into the Russian soul deeper?

          You're right. But it wouldn’t be so harsh (but you spoke well) - the author is talking about good wink . I would also add the case of the Rurikovich to this case - well, where are the religions when it is necessary to fight for the country? And the greatest of the surnames of this, certainly without looking back at the church (and the mosque at that time he was just seizing) our territory and made it what it is.
        7. Linkin
          Linkin 28 December 2015 02: 52 New
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          I’ll add that my great-grandmother, even living in the country before the revolution, said that she did not trust the priests and never went to church, and added that Gd was in her soul and that’s enough.
        8. Weyland
          Weyland 28 December 2015 19: 10 New
          -1
          Quote: Reserve officer
          to be with the millions of atheists who sacrificed themselves in World War II for our common Victory?


          Well, actually, "communist morality" is stupidly copied from the 10 Commandments ...
          1. Weyland
            Weyland 28 December 2015 21: 41 New
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            Commies are bad! it’s easy to minus, but to argue reasonably - there isn’t enough thrust !?
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      3. vovanpain
        vovanpain 27 December 2015 15: 25 New
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        Quote: Uranus
        and the courage of the Russian spirit !!!

        Not only courage, the main value of Russia is its multinational people.
        1. cayman gene
          cayman gene 27 December 2015 16: 13 New
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          Quote: vovanpain
          Not only courage, the main value of Russia is its multinational people.

          РњС ‹С‚РѕРіРґР ° Р» РёС € СЊ РІРѕР »СЊРЅРѕ РґС‹ С € РёРј,
          P • СЃР »Рё СЂРµС ‡ СЊ СЂРѕРґРЅСѓСЋ СЃР» С ‹С € РёРј,
          Speech in Russian.
          Р РІ своей стоР»РёС † Рµ древней,
          Both in the village and in the village,
          And away from home.
        2. Platonich
          Platonich 27 December 2015 16: 33 New
          +9
          ... and the most beautiful women !!!
    2. cniza
      cniza 27 December 2015 12: 21 New
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      This is not self-praise and not boasting, but a completely true fact - the Russian people grew up on a basis that set us positive trends for development for centuries to come.



      Russia is holding onto this, we don’t need someone else’s, but we won’t give up our own either.
      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN 27 December 2015 12: 57 New
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        Quote: cniza
        This is not self-praise and not boasting, but a completely true fact - the Russian people grew up on a basis that set us positive trends for development for centuries to come.



        Russia is holding onto this, we don’t need someone else’s, but we won’t give up our own either.

        It is a pity that our elite's proverb sounds like "We don't need someone else's, we will live on the stolen goods" request
        1. Down House
          Down House 27 December 2015 13: 16 New
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          Quote: NIKNN
          of our elite the proverb sounds like "We don't need someone else, we will live on the stolen"

          Where is the documentary evidence of this "proverb" ?! request
          1. jaroff
            jaroff 27 December 2015 16: 39 New
            +5
            In Barvikha. This is already enough.
          2. Sea Wolf
            Sea Wolf 27 December 2015 19: 13 New
            +1
            The last governor of Sakhalin.
      2. Bespectacled
        Bespectacled 27 December 2015 13: 13 New
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        Quote: cniza
        Russia is holding onto this, we don’t need someone else’s, but we won’t give up our own either.

        the works of our writers have acquired a certain coloring of justice, eternal moral and spiritual search and torment- from the article.

        Add a little fly in the ointment ...
        We have one character from the world of art, a poetess of love lyrics and also a "genius" artist.
        1. I am Russian
          I am Russian 27 December 2015 13: 18 New
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          New brand in the portable battery market
          1. JIaIIoTb
            JIaIIoTb 27 December 2015 19: 30 New
            +3
            Quote: I-Russian
            New brand in the portable battery market


            Like you’ll plant horseradish laughing
        2. nrex
          nrex 27 December 2015 13: 30 New
          +9
          Every family has its black sheep. And before any trash was enough. Nevertheless, the Russian people arranged in many interweaving.
          1. cniza
            cniza 27 December 2015 15: 05 New
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            We have one character from the world of art, a poetess of love lyrics and also a "genius" artist.


            And who attributed it to the world of art? belay In my opinion, it doesn’t pull on amateur performances either. And any people have black sheep.
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        3. Platonich
          Platonich 27 December 2015 16: 35 New
          +5
          The arrogant thief’s bitch ...
        4. unsinkable
          unsinkable 27 December 2015 18: 33 New
          +3
          Quote: bespectacled
          Add a little fly in the ointment ...

          Russia and its people as a whole, I agree, are a pillar of morality. But everything is spoiled by individual SUPER-MORAL persons. I won’t enumerate, everyone knows them perfectly. And there are so many of them.
          1. Bespectacled
            Bespectacled 27 December 2015 19: 27 New
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            Quote: unsinkable
            And there are so many of them.

            By the way ...
            Recently, another person involved in the Oboronservis case was released the other day.
            I invite everyone to familiarize yourself - http://rapsinews.ru/incident_news/20151224/275114442.html
            What is happening? I have no words...
        5. MREDBEST
          MREDBEST 27 December 2015 18: 48 New
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          Quote: bespectacled
          Quote: cniza
          Russia is holding onto this, we don’t need someone else’s, but we won’t give up our own either.

          the works of our writers have acquired a certain coloring of justice, eternal moral and spiritual search and torment- from the article.

          Add a little fly in the ointment ...
          We have one character from the world of art, a poetess of love lyrics and also a "genius" artist.

          Stop scaring me already with this plump face stop !
          I read, I read the text and then bam this ryah, and all day in vain, and the mood to zero sad
          1. Bespectacled
            Bespectacled 27 December 2015 19: 45 New
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            Quote: MREDBEST
            I read, I read the text and then bam this ryah

            Well, what can you do ...
            Life consists not only of positive and victorious relations. Especially in Russia.
            Quote: MREDBEST
            and mood to zero

            So be it ... Here's a cat (mi-mi-mi) for the mood.
      3. Down House
        Down House 27 December 2015 13: 15 New
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        Quote: cniza
        Russia is holding onto this, we don’t need someone else’s, but we won’t give up our own either.

        Why did they give Alaska?
        And why did they take "Bukhara"?
        And why did they take Polka, then they gave it away, then they took it away again? request
        1. Altona
          Altona 27 December 2015 14: 20 New
          +2
          Quote: Down House
          Why did they give Alaska?
          And why did they take "Bukhara"?
          And why did they take Polka, then they gave it away, then they took it away again?

          --------------------------
          Geopolitics is a costly thing. Section of spheres of influence, pushing the line of attack, mistakes and victories of diplomats. Just sit still, even if you are big and strong you will not be given. There will always be a flock of impudent mongrels who want to drive you out of your place.
          1. Down House
            Down House 27 December 2015 14: 35 New
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            Quote: Altona
            Geopolitics is a costly thing.

            Yes, of course, of course, it is simply impossible so categorically and at the level of a film about "fishing" to declare "we don't need someone else's, but we won't give up ours either." What are we - Slovakia? laughing
            After all, history is full of examples when, for objective reasons, it was necessary to "take someone else's" (initially, almost the entire territory of the modern Russian Federation) and then give "our" (part of what was previously seized). request
            1. Zeppelin ml.
              Zeppelin ml. 27 December 2015 15: 04 New
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              Quote: Down House
              Yes, of course, of course, it is simply impossible so categorically and at the level of a film about "fishing" to declare "we do not need someone else, but we will not give up ours either."

              these are the costs of slogan thinking.
              Quote: Down House
              After all, history is full of examples when, for objective reasons, it was necessary to "take someone else's" (initially, almost the entire territory of the modern Russian Federation) and then give "our" (part of what was previously seized).

              yes, the status "one's own - another's" in our history is a fickle thing) Curiously, that Do resuscitators of the USSR consider "ours"? For example, the same Ukraine - "our temporarily alien" (place punctuation marks). Or Kazakhstan?
              1. Down House
                Down House 27 December 2015 15: 19 New
                -5
                Quote: Zeppelin ml.
                the status of "one's own - another's" in our history is a fickle thing

                Yes, the status of "friend or foe" in relation to the territory is generally a relative thing, and "purely our" is only a patrimonial swamp in Africa, because today the territories of states probably do not coincide by 100% with the original territory of the peoples living on them, and vice versa - and the only the absolute right to a territory is the ability to hold this territory by force hi
          2. a housewife
            a housewife 27 December 2015 19: 14 New
            0
            1) not ours.
            2) not ours - given.
            3) either ours or not. what
        2. JIaIIoTb
          JIaIIoTb 27 December 2015 19: 31 New
          +3
          Eh Down Down .... you are so Down laughing
      4. Hardy
        Hardy 27 December 2015 13: 39 New
        +5
        Quote: cniza

        Russia is holding onto this, we don’t need someone else’s, but we won’t give up our own either.

        Yes, everything has already been given))))))

        For me, Russians are more interesting than other peoples because of the inquisitiveness of the brain. Starting from "What will happen if you put a hairpin in the socket" to the launch of Gagarin into space. The United States could have sent a man into space without any problems before the USSR, but it did not occur to them. And we, after the war, with a bare bottom ... It is clear that the state did not create rockets for this, but people were rushing into space.
        And most of all it is a pity that this is our main quality, which, in essence, distinguishes people from animals, we have recently lost. Such people are no longer taken as astronauts))) Yes, no one "there" is particularly torn ...
        All money, money ... well, is this a worthy goal for a person?
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 27 December 2015 19: 18 New
          +1
          Hardi What a ready-made commentary? I've already run into him - word for word! negative
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 27 December 2015 19: 42 New
            +2
            Quote: housewife
            Hardi What a ready-made commentary? I've already run into him - word for word!

            There is already such a writer on VO - Denis Obukhov, after being stuck with his nose for plagiarism he added me to an emergency. smile
          2. Hardy
            Hardy 28 December 2015 01: 50 New
            -1
            Quote: housewife
            Hardi What a ready-made commentary? I've already run into him - word for word! negative

            If only I plagiarize myself)) But not word for word)))
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    3. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 27 December 2015 12: 36 New
      +8
      And do not forget our legendary carelessness. Indeed, I think that this is not the worst trait of the Russian character. At least, this is one of the reasons for our unpredictability for the West.
      1. cniza
        cniza 27 December 2015 12: 43 New
        +6
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        And do not forget our legendary carelessness.


        I would call it patience and laziness, which add up to carelessness.
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 27 December 2015 13: 02 New
          +7
          The only bad thing is that our government has sided with injustice, lies and evil.
          1. Alexei
            Alexei 27 December 2015 13: 16 New
            +2
            Quote: Basarev
            The only bad thing is that our government has sided with injustice, lies and evil.

            This is our fault. Many of our fellow citizens evaluate the mind and status of a person by the thickness of his wallet and the opportunities that open up for them. Because it’s not stupid people who lose their bearings, because society defines a person. I do not justify them, their place in prison, but I think that in addition to going to jail, it is necessary to deal with the factor that pushes them to do so.
        2. Down House
          Down House 27 December 2015 13: 18 New
          -9
          Quote: cniza
          I would call it patience and laziness, which add up to carelessness.

          What do graduate psychologists call "it"?
        3. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe 27 December 2015 13: 39 New
          +4
          Quote: cniza
          I would call it patience and laziness,

          Well, yes, maybe it will resolve itself, and when the cock bites in the ass, then we will defeat everyone.
        4. VeryBravePiggy
          VeryBravePiggy 27 December 2015 15: 08 New
          +7
          Let me disagree. Dullness is often justified self-confidence plus a disregard for their duties.

          Article minus. Now it is fashionable to justify any sneeze by the action of "higher" forces, and not by human courage, pride, industriousness and mercy.
          An omnipotent, omnipotent and omniscient being cannot have mudaks - followers, and, moreover, servants.
          My grandfathers fought not for Orthodoxy, but for the Motherland and for their families, my grandmother at the age of 13 stood at the machine at the plant in Kuibyshev, and did not make crosses with monstrosities, but casings and axle boxes for Soviet tanks. And parents, working as doctors (anesthesiologist-dad and pediatrician-mom), save lives of people not in the name of the Lord, but thanks to the "godless" atheistic Soviet-Russian medicine.
          1. Down House
            Down House 27 December 2015 15: 20 New
            0
            Quote: VeryBravePiggy
            Dullness is often justified self-confidence plus a disregard for their duties.

            It is precisely that carelessness is often NOT justified self-confidence, plus a disregard for their duties fellow
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      3. Down House
        Down House 27 December 2015 13: 17 New
        -21
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        At least, this is one of the reasons for our unpredictability for the West.

        So that was the strength of Suvorov and Kutuzov - one got lost due to gouging in the Alps, the second accidentally burned Moscow! laughing
        1. Alexei
          Alexei 27 December 2015 13: 29 New
          13
          Quote: Down House
          So that was the strength of Suvorov and Kutuzov - one got lost due to gouging in the Alps, the second accidentally burned Moscow!

          Vanya, you are brilliant to disgrace. Indeed, in order to discredit someone’s image, it is necessary to have the highest intelligence, outstanding ability to analyze and compare various historical facts. You are fundamentally different from deceived gray biomass by your lively inquiring mind. It is simply impossible to overestimate your titanic contribution to the development of mankind. You open people's eyes to obvious things, thereby developing our backward critical thinking ... Bravo Vanya!
        2. Alexanderrr
          Alexanderrr 27 December 2015 13: 44 New
          +5
          Quote: Down House
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          At least, this is one of the reasons for our unpredictability for the West.

          So that was the strength of Suvorov and Kutuzov - one got lost due to gouging in the Alps, the second accidentally burned Moscow! laughing

          Don't juggle, comrade Down! There were objective reasons for that. If you do not know about them, it does you no honor, find out - then argue. If you are silent - you sink even lower, and you are not far from lying - you will become on a par with the State Department, in which there are very vague ideas about reality ...
          1. Down House
            Down House 27 December 2015 14: 17 New
            0
            Quote: Alexanderrr
            If you do not know about them, it does you no honor, find out - then argue.

            It was actually "sarcasm" if you didn't get it.
            Above, for some reason, positive parallels were drawn between "Russian carelessness" and "Russian ingenuity" - in your words, all this has different objective reasons for different historical eras hi
    4. Down House
      Down House 27 December 2015 13: 13 New
      -5
      Quote: 24rus
      I’ll also add the ability to self-sacrifice for a high purpose

      Can't kamikaze samurai do this? request
      But what about one of the symbols of France, Jeanne d'Arc?
      And what about Robin Hood, why do they have such a fairy tale, but we do not? fellow
      1. 24rus
        24rus 27 December 2015 13: 57 New
        +3
        For kamikaze samurai, this is a special training, based on a special philosophy, etc. There is no spontaneity - they are taught to jump on the embrasure
        1. Down House
          Down House 27 December 2015 14: 25 New
          -2
          Quote: 24rus
          based on a special philosophy

          The point is not spontaneity or philosophy - the point is that in the USSR-Japan "ram" is heroism, while "In most of the belligerent countries of World War II, pilots fought, relying on the reliability and high efficiency of standard weapons. Ram was not encouraged. , as a form of attack, unnecessary risky for the attacker, and leading to unjustified losses of trained pilots. The ram was used on a wide scale only in the USSR Air Force and, at the last stage of the war, in the Japanese Air Force. "Wikipedia."
          So the point is that in some cultures "Life is above all" and in others there is "Goals are more important than life."
          We are "different" but not the only ones hi
        2. avva2012
          avva2012 27 December 2015 14: 36 New
          +9
          For kamikaze-samurai, this is a special preparation, based on a special philosophy, etc.
          I would add. Samurai believes in multiple rebirth, because he professes, including Buddhism. The Russian soldier, dying, understands that "we live once again!", But all the same, he goes to his death. That is, he does not wait behind the grave, nothing, realizing that life is one. This is the greatness of the Russian spirit.
          1. Down House
            Down House 27 December 2015 14: 45 New
            0
            Quote: avva2012
            I would add. Samurai, believes in multiple rebirth, because, professes, including Buddhism.

            I would add that you are wrong - Japan has its own Shinto religion and there is no "reincarnation" hi
            And I will add that the Russian Soldier believes "in Jesus, the Mother of God and Paradise" - but dying from this does not become especially easier
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 27 December 2015 14: 57 New
              +5
              I would add that you are wrong - Japan has its own Shinto religion and there is no "reincarnation"
              And I will add that the Russian Soldier believes "in Jesus, the Mother of God and Paradise" - but dying from this does not become especially easier

              Yes, you are, that, in Japan there are two religions: Shintoism and Buddhism. Moreover, the latter is just responsible for death (funeral rites are performed only according to Buddhism).
              In that and it, "Paradise", no one promises. Whether you died for "your own friends" or simply led a righteous life, everything will be judged at the High Court. So, no gingerbread.
              1. Down House
                Down House 27 December 2015 15: 23 New
                -2
                Quote: avva2012
                Yes, you that, there are two religions in Japan: Shinto and Buddhism.

                In Japan, first of all, Shintoism, from Buddhism in it as much as in our "Orthodoxy" from paganism - that is, a lot, but this is all superficial and does not touch the essence - the Japanese do not believe in "reincarnation".
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 27 December 2015 15: 42 New
                  +2
                  In Japan, first of all, Shintoism, from Buddhism in it as much as in our "Orthodoxy" from paganism
                  I won't even argue. Without going into details (for example, Wikipedia), you can read the book by Vsevolod Ovchinnikov "Sakura Branch". The role of paganism in Orthodoxy is greatly exaggerated by Russophobes. Orthodoxy, some gentlemen, and the truth, is like a bone in the throat. Read Goebbels, plan "Ost", for example, draw parallels with modernity.
                  1. Down House
                    Down House 27 December 2015 15: 53 New
                    -5
                    Quote: avva2012
                    Without going into details, (wikipedia for example)

                    So they would go into details, there is no reincarnation in synthism hi
                    Quote: avva2012
                    The role of paganism in Orthodoxy is greatly exaggerated by Russophobes.

                    And what is there to exaggerate, the whole Russian "Orthodoxy" (and partly Christianity in general) is characterized by "two faith" - the replacement of pagan gods-holidays with Christian ones, for example, the pagan New Year for Christmas request
                    Quote: avva2012
                    Read Goebbels, plan "Ost", for example

                    Which of the "editions"? fellow
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 27 December 2015 16: 04 New
                      +2
                      So they would go into details, there is no reincarnation in synthism
                      In Buddhism, there is.
                      like pagan new year for christmas
                      Christmas is Christmas. It was actually calculated by theologians.
                      Which of the "editions"?
                      It’s all the same, all the editions are from the demon.
                      1. Down House
                        Down House 27 December 2015 16: 14 New
                        -4
                        Quote: avva2012
                        In Buddhism, there is.

                        The conversation was about "kamikaze" and Shintoism request
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Christmas is Christmas. It was actually calculated by theologians.

                        Actually, the pagan New Year was replaced by Christmas and no one calculated anything, because if "calculate" (and astronomers figured it out) then Jesus was born NOT 2015 years ago fellow
                        Quote: avva2012
                        It’s all the same, all the editions are from the demon.

                        Right! Better not to read anything at all, only scripture fellow
                      2. avva2012
                        avva2012 27 December 2015 16: 58 New
                        0
                        Right! Better not to read anything at all, only scripture
                        Ah, you try. A very interesting reading. By the way, according to the rules of the Russian language, the Holy Scripture is a proper name and is written with a capital letter. V. Solovyov, read more, if you really, will be fine. He, this is the son of a famous historian, philosopher.
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      2. Platonich
        Platonich 27 December 2015 16: 40 New
        +3
        Interestingly, do the children of our bureaucratic deputies have this spirit?
  2. bocsman
    bocsman 27 December 2015 17: 24 New
    +6
    Quote: Down House
    Can't kamikaze samurai do this? But what about one of the symbols of France, Joan of Arc? And about Robin Hood, why do they have such a fairy tale, but we do not?

    Kamikaze is of course cool, a whole movement under the auspices of the state, furnished with rituals and other tinsel. But it’s so simple without officialdom from the bottom of the heart from the fact that your duty must be fulfilled to the end! Only Russians can! Jeanne de Arcs is generally a mythical character (we will not discuss who she and how she finished, there are many options). Robin Hood is a bandit and a poacher, this is an example to follow !? A beautiful legend is used as an example for comparison by the people of the Russian spirit! Okay, Ilya Muromets, Alyosha Popovich, etc. Can these characters be compared? Some defended their homeland from an adversary, another robbed and poached in the forest on the high road. You Vanya do not understand either the essence of the problem or its background, because you have already absorbed Western values ​​but did not understand the essence of what is true. And having picked up the tops from different works, you do not understand the main, deep essence that lies behind the actions of the Russian and Soviet people!
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 28 December 2015 19: 37 New
      -1
      Quote: bocsman
      Some defended their homeland from an adversary, another robbed on the high road and poached in the forest


      Well, many had their own Robin Hoods, incl. and among the Slavs - Masheka, Oleksa Dovbush, Yurai Yanoshik ... It's just that they weren't promoted so well!
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 27 December 2015 13: 18 New
    +4
    Children are our main value!
  • I am Russian
    I am Russian 27 December 2015 13: 26 New
    16
    Here is the real Russian spirit.

    Today, December 27.12.2015, 1954, is the birthday of Vasily Filippovich Margelov, Soviet military leader, commander of the Airborne Forces in 1959-1961 and 1979-27, army general, Hero of the Soviet Union, USSR State Prize laureate, candidate of military sciences. The founder of the Airborne Forces, "Batya" of all paratroopers, rallied the defenders of the Motherland into one family. Born on December 1908, 4, in Dnepropetrovsk, Yekaterinoslavskaya province, Russian Empire. Died: March 1990, 81 (XNUMX years old), in Moscow, RSFSR, USSR. A member of the CPSU lived a glorious, eventful life with honor. soldier
  • LukaSaraev
    LukaSaraev 27 December 2015 15: 30 New
    +5
    I will add not my own words, but nevertheless I always remember about them. "Heroism most often occurs where there is a lack of either a sober calculation. Or material resources."
    Hardly anyone thinks about it (I’m just talking about the Russians), that “I’ll lie down on the embrasure and become a hero”. This is something inside, personally tested. Then you start thinking. And on the way of action - no, everything somehow goes on its own from you.
    1. Down House
      Down House 27 December 2015 15: 56 New
      -10
      Quote: LukaSaraev
      And on the way of action - no, everything somehow goes independently from you.

      There are studies of psychologists that in an extreme situation, representatives of one culture-people act in the same way, regardless of their intellectual or social or any other status. hi
      In particular, if an American sees a "pistol" he will stand rooted to the spot, if he sees a Russian, he will run - a proven fact fellow
  • g1v2
    g1v2 27 December 2015 17: 29 New
    +4
    The author is doing a disservice to the country. Of course, the position that we are good, and everyone who is against us is evil, this is the correct position and the state position should be so. But history is not worth dealing with such crap. We fought all sorts of wars and colonial ones too - we did not get Alaska from Santa Claus and we have the largest country in the world not because we are all pacifists. And there will be all sorts of wars - both just and not so much. If you strongly retouch the story, then later, when the flow of information from abroad pours out, then weak people immediately begin an attack - they lied to us all the time and denial of everything that was told to him at school, etc.
    Anything has been and still will be, but thanks to this everyone we have the largest country in the world, the largest number of minerals, reserves of drinking water, forests, etc. If they were pacifists, 10 million people would sit within the Moscow principality or disappear altogether. am
    And sooner or later we will gain something else, because we are big, strong and in the light, and all who are against us are weak, mean and in the dark. Well, if it is necessary to the current moment, then we can always justify why we are good, and not they. And this is correct, but you shouldn't touch the story too much - let the descendants look at how we got what we got and learn from a truthful infe, not a popular print. hi
  • Pirogov
    Pirogov 27 December 2015 19: 35 New
    +3
    I will also add the ability to self-sacrifice for the sake of a high goal .......................................... ..................................
    .................................................. ........................... Yes, but these qualities are completely absent from the authorities!
  • nimboris
    nimboris 28 December 2015 06: 56 New
    0
    this, according to L.N. Gumilev, is passionarity of the highest degree.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 27 December 2015 12: 20 New
    +8
    He is kind and courageous, there is not a drop of falsity in him, and most importantly - in no case will he tolerate injustice

    It's hard to disagree. Here are just a few, whose adolescence and youth passed in the 90s, these feelings are either dulled or absent, because were not vaccinated either by the family, much less by the school-university.
    1. dorz
      dorz 27 December 2015 12: 31 New
      15
      The highest and most characteristic feature of our people is a sense of justice and a thirst for it.

      Fedor Mikhailovich Dostoevsky.
      1. Down House
        Down House 27 December 2015 13: 19 New
        -16
        Quote: dorz
        The highest and most characteristic feature of our people is a sense of justice and a thirst for it.

        Again, take everything away and divide? request
        1. Pirogov
          Pirogov 27 December 2015 19: 37 New
          0
          What to take with D.AUNA!
        2. Wheel
          Wheel 27 December 2015 23: 28 New
          0
          Quote: Down House
          Again, take everything away and divide?

          Well, let's just say that not again, but again ...
          In the 90s, if anything, they took it away from everyone, and divided it up among themselves.
          Maybe it's time to turn things around?
    2. Wheel
      Wheel 27 December 2015 23: 26 New
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      He is kind and courageous, there is not a drop of falsity in him, and most importantly - in no case will he tolerate injustice

      It's hard to disagree. Here are just a few, whose adolescence and youth passed in the 90s, these feelings are either dulled or absent, because were not vaccinated either by the family, much less by the school-university.
      You have forgotten about one more part, which is sitting in a carefully constructed vertical.
  • Million
    Million 27 December 2015 12: 22 New
    15
    Recently, even members of the government and the president have not used the word Russian. Probably the language does not turn. In Soviet times, Russians were called all residents of the USSR, regardless of nationality.
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 27 December 2015 12: 32 New
      14
      Quote: Million
      Recently, even members of the government and the president have not used the word Russian.

      Not even, but it is they who, in the first place, do not use this word. Instead of the word "Russian" a certain "Russian" is used, invented by the "unforgettable" EBN. Probably so as not to offend the feelings of the remaining 20% ​​of the population of Russia, who are not Russians. And what about the Russians? They tolerate. Patience is also one of the fundamental traits of our character.
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 27 December 2015 12: 52 New
      +7
      Quote: Million
      Recently, even members of the government and the president have not used the word Russian.Probably the language does not turn. In Soviet times, all residents of the USSR were called Russians, despite their nationality


      Hmm ... But all over the world we are all called Russians, regardless of nationality - Chuvash, Mordvin, Tatar, Yakut, Russian ...

      My classmate has been living in Germany for two decades (he is a Tatar himself, his wife is a German ... true, Lyudka is as German as I am a Frenchman) ... So, they (and people like them) are still called Russians ...
      1. Million
        Million 27 December 2015 13: 14 New
        +5
        which is surprising.For foreigners, we are all Russians, and for our government, Russians
    3. Petrovich1952
      Petrovich1952 27 December 2015 12: 54 New
      +5
      When a war comes to our house for an adversary WE ARE ALL RUSSIANS whatever nationality we are the Great Patriotic RUSSIAN IVAN. Afghanistan to list?
    4. I am Russian
      I am Russian 27 December 2015 13: 04 New
      0
      How I "love" to read such articles. lol Especially with "historical" facts. laughing
      Concerning Orthodoxy. Before the reforms of Patriarch Nikon, the Christian church in Muscovy was called Orthodox, orthodox, and after the reforms - Orthodox.
      Until the 17th century, there was a dual faith in Russia: Vedic, it is Orthodox (RIGHT) (not to be confused with paganism) and orthodox (Orthodox Christianity).
      1. vlad.svargin
        vlad.svargin 27 December 2015 14: 12 New
        +1
        I am Russian
        Until the 17th century, there was a dual faith in Russia: Vedic, it is Orthodox (RIGHT) (not to be confused with paganism) and orthodox (Orthodox Christianity).

        From the point of view of history, I agree with you, but now the concept of Paganism (Vedic Orthodoxy, which is not entirely true) is attributed to the ancient faith of the Slavs, without knowing the true meaning of this word. Our people reincarnated orthodox Christianity into Russian Orthodoxy, which essentially preserved dual faith, preserved ancient customs and holidays and Christianity, but did not accept the Jesuit foundations of Catholicism, and even Byzantine Christianity. I am citing a quote from a modern philosopher who seems to me to accurately reflect the emergence of our Slavic (Russian) modern Orthodoxy:
        “The pagan tradition among the Slavs almost completely passed into the sphere of Orthodoxy and merged with it. It was in Christ that paganism acquired its true metaphysical essence and justification, revealed the lost basis and completeness. Dual faith is the "Christianization" of paganism and the "paganization" of Christianity in the sense of discovering the lost truth in paganism, purifying it and transforming it with the Good News. Paganism and Christianity have a common sacred meaning, mystically synonymous "(M. Telegin in the work" The Factor of Trust ") By the way, I will add the roots of self-sacrifice, justice, protection of the weak have remained in us since ancient times, which is why many peoples have found patronage in Russia, who still retain their customs, language and culture.
    5. Down House
      Down House 27 December 2015 13: 20 New
      -8
      Quote: Million
      In Soviet times, all the inhabitants of the USSR were called Russians, despite their nationality

      Where?! Abroad, or did you remember the film "mimino"? wassat
    6. would
      would 27 December 2015 16: 14 New
      +6
      This is not entirely true, at least in relation to the times of Stalin.

      I am raising a toast to the health of the Russian people because they have earned in this war general recognition as the leading force of the Soviet Union among all the peoples of our country.


      Lines from Stalin's toast "To the Russian people!"
    7. Gardamir
      Gardamir 27 December 2015 18: 20 New
      +5
      Recently, even members of the government and the president have not used the word Russian. Probably the language does not turn. In Soviet times, Russians were called all residents of the USSR, regardless of nationality.
      Right! one hundred pluses to you. Moreover, he analyzed the president's speeches. there is no word people, well, perhaps "international terrorism"
  • pts-m
    pts-m 27 December 2015 12: 25 New
    +3
    The author of the article is 100% right. Geyropa has remained not grateful to Russia. But the “black yoke” is waiting for it and has already partially come. Therefore, in my opinion, it is better not to free these idiots. .we need to think about our country and not about other countries.!
  • atamankko
    atamankko 27 December 2015 12: 26 New
    +2
    The adversaries do not understand this,
    they have no concept of honor, conscience and patriotism,
    but there is only a wild desire to deceive and profit.
    1. meriem1
      meriem1 27 December 2015 12: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: atamankko
      The adversaries do not understand this,
      they have no concept of honor, conscience and patriotism,
      but there is only a wild desire to deceive and profit.


      They justify the ability and desire to take away ... by their preference. Listen to the Protestants, so the ears fade. For them, the opportunity to get rich is considered the Lord's favor! They will never understand Russians ...
    2. Hello
      Hello 27 December 2015 12: 44 New
      -12
      Quote: atamankko
      The adversaries do not understand this,
      they have no concept of honor, conscience and patriotism,
      but there is only a wild desire to deceive and profit.

      Well, what can you do if only you are white and fluffy. fellow
      The age-old theme about Dartanyan and representatives of sexual minorities wink
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 27 December 2015 14: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: Hello
        what can you do if only you we white and fluffy.

        Мы we white and fluffy, not yours. As far as I know, Israel is not part of Russia. And where are we, the Lapotniks and quilted jackets, to the God-chosen people?
        Just do not forget: you are God's chosen, and we are God-saved.
        1. Hello
          Hello 27 December 2015 14: 28 New
          +4
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          We are white and fluffy, not yours. As far as I know, Israel is not part of Russia. And where do we, lap and quilted jackets, go to God's chosen people?
          Just do not forget: you are God's chosen, and we are God-saved.

          I have always wondered why everyone except Jews likes to talk about Jewish election?
          And yes, I ask you not to distort; I do not consider you lapotniks and did not call them, but the desire to water ourselves with syrup and lick it is a form of perversion in my opinion. Everything needs a measure. hi
          1. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 27 December 2015 14: 38 New
            0
            Quote: Hello
            I have always wondered why everyone except Jews likes to talk about Jewish election?
            The eternal theme about Dartanyan and representatives of sexual minorities wink

            Your two statements, not? Here is the previous one that answers the next smile
            1. Hello
              Hello 27 December 2015 14: 40 New
              0
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              Your two statements, no? Here is the previous one that answers the next.

              I don’t understand what this is about explain your message request
          2. avva2012
            avva2012 27 December 2015 14: 50 New
            0
            And yes, I ask you not to distort, I do not consider you and didn’t call you, but the desire to water ourselves with syrup and lick it is a form of perversion in my opinion. Everything needs a measure.
            Read what they write about Russia and Russians in the West, starting not even with Hitler-Goebbels, but earlier. Moreover, our liberals did not lag behind, "the land of slaves, the land of masters." Therefore, from time to time, purely psychotherapeutic, you need to pour yourself with syrup. It amazes me that only the Russians, about themselves, are trying to say something good, they are right there, like you, a commentator.
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            1. Hello
              Hello 27 December 2015 15: 00 New
              +1
              Quote: avva2012
              Read what they write about Russia and the Russians in the West, starting, not even with Hitler-Goebbels, but earlier. Moreover, our liberals did not lag behind, "the land of slaves, the land of masters." Therefore, periodically, purely psychotherapeutic, you need to pour yourself with syrup.

              Is it important to you that they write about you? I’ll tell you a secret that nobody loves anyone and everyone pours water together, it’s strange that it still touches you.
              Quote: avva2012
              It surprises me that only Russians, about themselves, are trying to say something good, they are right there, like you, a commentator

              Forgive me, my dear father, who allowed himself to express his opinion. wink
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 27 December 2015 15: 32 New
                +2
                Forgive me, my dear father, who allowed himself to express his opinion.
                And what else opinion can be expressed on the VO website?
                Is it important to you that they write about you? I’ll tell you a secret that nobody loves anyone and everyone pours water together, it’s strange that it still touches you.
                This is a national character. To ourselves, we can say any nasty things, but it costs a stranger something is not right to say, sorry ...
                It’s not about who, whom he loves. Everything is determined by personal communication. Affected politics, information war, for that matter. And in this war, I know on whose, I personally, side. In my everyday life, no matter what they say (in a pinch I’ll fill my face, or they’ll beat me), but when it comes to the security of the country, that is, my home, the opinion of the enemy or friend matters to me. Rather, it is to understand who is friend and who is enemy. hi
                1. Hello
                  Hello 27 December 2015 16: 37 New
                  +4
                  Quote: avva2012
                  but when it comes to the security of the country, that is, my home, the opinion of an enemy or friend matters to me

                  I wonder how this will help in the security of the country:
                  Over the past several hundred years, Russia has always been on the side of good.

                  or that:
                  Strictly speaking, every truly Russian person looks like the heroes described by the great creators of 19 and 20 of the century with every part of his soul. He is kind and brave, there is not a drop of falsehood in him, and most importantly - in no case will he tolerate injustice. Neither on their own land, nor on a stranger.

                  Or so:
                  And when today in Novorossia, Syria, or anywhere else, the foot of the Russian person is stepping, the everyday conflict turns into a struggle between good and evil, truth and lies. Ours are on the bright side. And I believe in them.

                  Straight knights without fear and reproach, we are the best and everyone envy us. Uryayayayayaya !!!!!
                  Isn't it better than to be like an ostrich and bury your head in the sand to do business. For example, in the Russian language, otherwise the kids will soon forget how to write in their native language, but it is the basis of the foundations of the Russian world wink
                  And yes, I do not want to offend your country, your nation or your faith, I myself was born and raised in Russian realities and can’t tear them from me, but sometimes you need to think with your head and not write laudatory odes: oh, what we are beautiful.
                  PS: If someone wrote such an article about my people, I would have thought if everything was okay with the author’s head, wouldn’t they offend him in childhood? hi
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 27 December 2015 16: 53 New
                    +4
                    Straight knights without fear and reproach, we are the best and everyone envy us. Uryayayayayaya !!!!!
                    Isn’t it better than to become like an ostrich and bury its head in the sand to do business. For example, Russian children will soon forget how to write children in their native language, but it’s the basis of the foundations of the Russian world wink
                    And yes, I do not want to offend your country, your nation or your faith, I myself was born and raised in Russian realities and can’t tear them from me, but sometimes you need to think with your head and not write laudatory odes: oh, what we are beautiful.
                    PS: If someone wrote such an article about my people, I would have thought if everything was okay with the author’s head, wouldn’t they offend him in childhood?

                    Apparently, the last hundred years, we did not do business?
                    Laudatory odes, periodically it is necessary to write, without this, no matter how.
                    Let it be written naively, but in fact, right?
                    I, so, I think, you, having left the Country, all the same, remained here with your soul? This is the strangeness of Russian civilization. Who, you would not consider yourself, it turns out, still Russian? And, personally, I, you, also rank as one of this nationality. Otherwise, they would not visit this site, and did not leave good comments. Humanity is not knocked out by anything.
                    On the bill, have the author been offended? But he's not an anti-Semite, is he? Anyone who writes about the "Zionist wise men", as if his head is completely Vava. hi
                    1. Hello
                      Hello 27 December 2015 17: 36 New
                      +2
                      Quote: avva2012
                      Apparently, the last hundred years, we did not do business?

                      Why not a deed? A very deed, but not a kind white and fluffy one, but all sorts of different things and not so good.
                      Quote: avva2012
                      Laudatory odes, periodically it is necessary to write, without this, no matter how.
                      Let it be written naively, but in fact, right?

                      Why is it true that Russians are the best for the good of the world and against injustice? No, it is not true that Russians are like all the other different, good and bad.
                      Quote: avva2012
                      I, so, I think, you, having left the Country, all the same, remained here with your soul? This is the strangeness of Russian civilization. Who, you would not consider yourself, it turns out, still Russian? And, personally, I, you, also rank as one of this nationality. Otherwise, they would not visit this site, and did not leave good comments. Humanity is not knocked out by anything.

                      This is an interesting question, I do not associate humanity with Russianness. Humanity does not depend on nationality or culture. Yes, I cannot throw out of myself a part of my life in Russia, and I don’t want who I will be if I forget who I was? But I have long been a part of Israel more than a part of Russia, but this does not prevent me from respecting the country and people. But do not idolize, feel the difference. In addition, I am certainly interested in Russia as something that I consider to be a part of myself. By the way, you can pay attention to the number of comments on Israeli topics on the site , just a frenzied interest in people, apparently Israel also arouses no small interest in the Russian world, although it would seem. And the clue, in my opinion, is that we have lived side by side for too long and, besides learning to tolerate each other, to each other became attached, with some strange and slightly perverse love. wink
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 27 December 2015 17: 57 New
                        +4
                        Perverted by love? Why? Normal relations, where nationality, did not matter at all. I have lived all my life in Siberia, and I don’t remember situations related to the incision of the eyes, for example. Humanity, apparently with the Russian world and is combined. Our man is ours. We are not of this world. We are not the best, we are just different. We do not need tolerance, we do not understand it. For you and me, there are absolutely, natural things, we ask one question, communicating, "who, are you, a person, or why?"
                      2. Hello
                        Hello 27 December 2015 18: 07 New
                        +3
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Humanity, apparently with the Russian world and is combined. Our man is ours. We are not of this world. We are not the best, we are just different. We do not need tolerance, we do not understand it. For you and me, there are absolutely, natural things, we ask one question, communicating, "who, are you, a person, or why?".

                        I understand your position, Alexander, but fundamentally I do not agree with it, humanity does not depend on the Russian, Jewish, American or Chinese world, it depends on the person, whether it exists or not, and the Russian world has nothing to do with it.
                        Regarding our man, here I agree partly the Russian language binds people tightly, but just as tightly connects the peoples of English and Chinese, and I will notice a bunch of those peoples in China, and all of them are called Chinese. wink
                        As for other misconceptions, in my opinion, we are all different and we are all essentially the same, people essentially want, dream and fear the same thing, regardless of the nation hi
                      3. avva2012
                        avva2012 27 December 2015 18: 30 New
                        +3
                        I, you, do not agitate, you already live in the "Russian world". Because you understand me, better than some people living in Russia. I agree with you, but we are not Amirians, let alone Chinese. May God grant us that our relatives live. Happy New Year! Happiness and prosperity.
                      4. Hello
                        Hello 27 December 2015 21: 49 New
                        +1
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Happy New Year! Happiness and prosperity.

                        And you drinks
  • gelezo47
    gelezo47 27 December 2015 12: 30 New
    +4
    And all these values ​​must be passed on from generation to generation ...
  • kpd
    kpd 27 December 2015 12: 30 New
    20
    Well, again, only Orthodoxy will save Russia ...
    And the stupid question: Before the adoption of Orthodoxy, did the Russians not have all these qualities?
    Maybe all the same, the mentality of the Russian people does not depend on religion?
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 27 December 2015 13: 08 New
      +6
      Exactly, sir! The Orthodox Church is very much seized by the fact of Oleg's epic victories over Byzantium. Meanwhile, a military victory in this case is only the tip of the iceberg. And the basis is precisely the very highest spiritual qualities of the Rus.
  • ASK505
    ASK505 27 December 2015 12: 31 New
    +5
    Quote: 24rus
    I’ll also add the ability to sacrifice for a high purpose


    The Russian soul, as an eternal mystery for the West. The topic is deep, philosophical and you cannot reveal it in a short article, but you need to raise it. On the Russian matrix "Family" is our core: the idea of ​​justice, which has permeated all classical works and chronicles for centuries, Pushkin and the Russian language. This is what keeps us together and helps us withstand the harsh years of trials.
    1. Down House
      Down House 27 December 2015 13: 22 New
      -6
      Quote: ASK505
      Pushkin

      By the way, Pushkin was a Negro, what about that? lol
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 27 December 2015 13: 33 New
        +3
        Quote: Down House
        By the way, Pushkin was a Negro, what about that?

        He was - Afro-Russian lol
        1. Down House
          Down House 27 December 2015 13: 56 New
          0
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          He was - Afro-Russian

          He was a Negro, raised in Russian culture and had Russian serfs - and it may seem strange to you, but the greatness of Russian culture lies in the fact that all our Culture was originally just a "symbiosis" of many other cultures and peoples fellow
          If in doubt, google how many "princely" and "narkomovs" were not of Russian or mixed origin hi
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 27 December 2015 14: 03 New
            0
            Quote: Down House
            If in doubt

            Just never))) I have no doubt ...
      2. a housewife
        a housewife 27 December 2015 19: 48 New
        -1
        Yes, no way to be with this! Negro Pushkin - by genes, by appearance. And in spirit - Russian, despite the French upbringing. This is what normal Russians talk about, regardless of origin. Vaughn Hello - is it not Russian! Even though he is a Jew. And all the arguments and feelings are purely Russian. In general, Jews and Russians have a lot in common, so every discrepancy is met with fierce rejection. And also Christ unites us. What both sides do not want to recognize. But Paul also wrote that it is a great blessing to be a Jew, for them Christ came first. Then for everyone else. Former pagans are grafted to the vine, to believers in the One God. And all the believers became one. And about the Gentiles it is said that God wrote the law in their hearts. People, do not be foolish by dividing righteous people by religion.
        1. Wheel
          Wheel 27 December 2015 23: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: housewife
          And Christ unites us.

          Oh, these quirks of consciousness ...
          Some pray to him, others sentenced him to crucifixion ...
          But here, unites ...
      3. Starik72
        Starik72 27 December 2015 22: 50 New
        0
        Down House. By the way, Pushkin was a Negro ... Don't talk nonsense, I have not seen a single picture or photo where Pushkin is depicted as black, i.e. a Negro.
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 27 December 2015 23: 38 New
          0
          Have you also seen a photo of Pushkin? laughing
  • Chak
    Chak 27 December 2015 12: 38 New
    +7
    Our main value is the Russian spirit! It was shown during the Great Patriotic War by believers, atheists, Komsomol members, and communists. Just don't impose Orthodoxy again (rightly, orthodoxy), for example, I'm scared that the number of churches is growing exponentially, and the number of "priests" on expensive cars, regularly ramming people and cars, is also growing. Moreover, Orthodox extremism also raises its head. Either Milonov otchuchit something, then other activists begin to destroy cultural monuments in public! Why is it better than destroying the Buddha statues in the Bamiyan Valley or the Golden Gate in Palmyra ??? Or, in your opinion, pagans, Muslims, representatives of other confessions are not Russian enough ??? The respected author of nichrome does not understand either history or issues of main values, constantly confusing the soft with the warm.
    1. Down House
      Down House 27 December 2015 13: 24 New
      -2
      Quote: ChAK
      During World War II, it was shown by believers, and atheists, and Komsomol members, and communists.

      Did Marshals-Generals-Scientists-Directors have one too, or did we shoot "with the spirit" instead of cartridges ?! request
  • jan
    jan 27 December 2015 12: 40 New
    0
    It's just not clear where does Judeo-Christianity have to do with it? and before the religion alien to Russian that there were mediocre and assholes idiots or what?
  • Gardener91
    Gardener91 27 December 2015 12: 41 New
    +4
    And a feeling of compassion for one's neighbor, a willingness to provide disinterested help, to be not indifferent in someone else's grief.
    1. Down House
      Down House 27 December 2015 13: 25 New
      -4
      Quote: Gardener91
      And a feeling of compassion for your neighbor

      In Europe, of course, there is no such thing, if you stumble in the metro, they will trample and rob laughing
      1. Mikhail Krapivin
        Mikhail Krapivin 27 December 2015 13: 33 New
        +3
        Comrade, calm down, they are tired of waiting for you on the "Echo of Moscow", run there faster, you will still have time to take part in the "Liberast of the Year."
        1. Hagalaz
          Hagalaz 27 December 2015 13: 54 New
          +6
          Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
          Comrade, calm down, they are tired of waiting for you on the "Echo of Moscow", run there faster, you will still have time to take part in the "Liberast of the Year."

          Comrade ?????
          Comrade provocateur. Sounds great!
        2. Down House
          Down House 27 December 2015 13: 58 New
          -1
          Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
          still have time to take part in the competition "Liberation of the Year."

          No, I don't like Europe and the USA - they won't take me there request
          1. sleeping sayan
            sleeping sayan 27 December 2015 14: 23 New
            +1
            Then Israel is just right for Down.
  • onix757
    onix757 27 December 2015 12: 46 New
    +6
    Strictly speaking, any truly Russian person with every part of his soul is similar to the heroes described by the great creators of the 19th and 20th centuries.

    Wouldn't it be bad to explain about the "truly Russian" who are they? The constitution says nothing about this people.
  • Ironax
    Ironax 27 December 2015 12: 50 New
    +3
    What a mess in your head? We have all kinds of people, as elsewhere. There is neither God's chosenness, nor exclusiveness, nor a mysterious soul. All people are different, but "Do with others the same way you want to be treated with you" is a universal human truth and is not alien to any nation on Earth.
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  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 27 December 2015 13: 00 New
    +2
    Russians - Russian in spirit ... Pushkin, Kutuzov, all the men who lay in the fields in 1812, 1914 and 1941 were more Russian than many "Ivanovs" ...
    Historians can write up two pages of text, why the USSR should have collapsed near Moscow and Stalingrad, but it resisted! Russian spirit and the Brotherhood of Peoples.
    And now there are enough "reasons for the collapse" .... One hope for the Russian spirit!
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 27 December 2015 13: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: samarin1969
      .One hope for the Russian spirit!

      Don't you think that everything is bad - if there is only one hope ..
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 27 December 2015 13: 49 New
        +2
        I agree. If it did not seem, there would be no point in communicating in VO.
  • Zeppelin ml.
    Zeppelin ml. 27 December 2015 13: 06 New
    +2
    Commentators, as usual in such subjects, blinded their ideal - without fear or reproach. Fantasy fetishes that have little to do with reality. Maybe you should still be more critical of yourself? On this lubok I do not see bribes who have gone crazy with impunity of bureaucrats, greedy and short-sighted plutocrats, engaged magazines, smiling neighbors with a stone in their bosoms, etc. characters., not much like the "giant of the spirit" and "guardian of justice" drawn here.
    Quote: ASK505
    Russian soul as an eternal mystery for the West.

    this is a cute fairy tale for domestic consumption.
    1. samarin1969
      samarin1969 27 December 2015 13: 24 New
      +4
      Yes! There are a lot of drunks .. And the amazing infantilism of the local authorities ...
      And the Russian spirit is more likely for EXTERNAL use ... When people under your flag, which time they come to OSTEN, will get in the face.
      1. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 27 December 2015 13: 31 New
        -2
        Quote: samarin1969
        .When people under your flag, which time come to OSTEN, they will get in the snout.

        and when people are under Your flag together simulate a patriotic orgasm - how's that? And as far as I know, not the Germans are going
        Quote: samarin1969
        on OSTEN
        , and xoxly, in your language, "on VESTEN".
        Quote: samarin1969
        And the Russian spirit is more likely for EXTERNAL use

        come on. I have never even heard a mention of some "mysterious soul". The image of the "Russian" in the West is quite pragmatic. Well, if by "mysteriousness" you mean illogicality and falling out of behavioral norms, then yes.
        1. samarin1969
          samarin1969 27 December 2015 13: 42 New
          +1
          "I have never even heard a mention of some" mysterious soul "...
          Why do you need this "mysterious Russian soul"?
          1) In work and leisure in Russia, it is easy to define a person in 5 minutes: "our / not our"
          (No nationalism - mentality)
          2) The real Russian gene pool (as well as the German one) was heavily knocked out by the wars ... There are few of both left ...
          1. Zeppelin ml.
            Zeppelin ml. 27 December 2015 14: 01 New
            -2
            Quote: samarin1969
            1) In work and leisure in Russia, it is easy to define a person in 5 minutes: "our / not our"

            laughing
            Quote: samarin1969
            There are few of both left ...

            Whom then "in work and rest" "determine"?
        2. Russiamoy
          Russiamoy 27 December 2015 19: 04 New
          -1
          Give examples of "illogicality and falling out of behavioral norms." not quite clear. What did you mean?
          and further. the habit of belching everywhere at the table, picking in front of everyone in the nose, chewing in a cafe with the Germans (etc.) is considered the norm of behavior. if so, it is better to fall out of these norms. I know, because I worked as a simultaneous translator and sometimes visit Germany
          ps I do not support speech, we are the most, but your statement is too much
          1. Zeppelin ml.
            Zeppelin ml. 27 December 2015 20: 23 New
            +4
            Quote: Russiamoya
            everywhere burping at the table, picking in front of everyone in the nose, chewing in a cafe with the Germans (etc.) is it considered a norm of behavior. if so, it is better to fall out of these norms. I know, since I worked as a simultaneous translator

            about "everywhere" you obviously got excited. Do not exaggerate, otherwise inexperienced members of the forum who do not visit, like you
            Quote: Russiamoya
            sometimes Germany
            can dream up volleys of belching, chomping and flatulence in all restaurants and eateries in Germany. Apparently, we have different translation experience) In Hasenbergl or Neukölln, you can, of course, not only hear a burp, but also completely part with your wallet, which, of course, indicates how low morals have fallen in the West. But in Yuzhnoye Butovo, for example, gopniks have long been forged into florists or they are transferring old women across the road through underground passages. And don’t - my statement is not "overkill". I had both the time and the opportunity to make sure of the mental conflicts, so - I know what I'm talking about, believe me.
      2. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 27 December 2015 13: 36 New
        0
        Quote: samarin1969
        , which time they come to OSTEN - they will get in the snout.

        Relax, they came a long time ago, only without tanks, etc.
  • Gennady Alexandrovich
    Gennady Alexandrovich 27 December 2015 13: 07 New
    +4
    ♥ Moral and moral qualities are one of the foundations of the Russian world, and not only the Russian. To be kind, honest, strong, truthful ... is sometimes a heavy burden. But, we need a victory over evil and lies, not only in people, but also in ourselves ╬
    1. onix757
      onix757 27 December 2015 13: 19 New
      +2
      Moral and moral qualities are one of the foundations of the Russian world

      Are 10% of the country's resource owners ready to share moral and ethical values ​​or is this "wealth", as always, invented for the people?
      1. Gennady Alexandrovich
        Gennady Alexandrovich 27 December 2015 13: 36 New
        +2
        Moral values ​​- for everyone, and in each should be smile
        1. onix757
          onix757 27 December 2015 13: 46 New
          +2
          Quote: Gennady Alexandrovich
          Moral values ​​- for everyone, and in each should be

          Without a coherent ideology at the state level, this will remain a pipe dream.
          1. Gennady Alexandrovich
            Gennady Alexandrovich 27 December 2015 21: 58 New
            0
            Orthodox socialism, or simply rational socialism smile
            1. anew
              anew 27 December 2015 23: 36 New
              0
              Quote: Gennady Alexandrovich
              Orthodox socialism

              Do you yourself understand what you wrote? Orthodox socialism is something like Catholic Judaism. Or Islamic Buddhism. T.N. "socialism" is an element of the pseudo-religion Marxism-Leninism. Of course, where one religion dominates, there is no place for another religion. Therefore, it is necessary to choose either Marxism-Leninism (and socialism together with communism) or Orthodoxy. Since you have such a strong inclination towards religiosity (sectarianism, i.e. pseudo-religion, such as Marxism-Leninism, this is also a kind of religiosity).
              And what does not suit you the path already traveled by all civilized humanity? What does not suit you bourgeois society? I agree, it is still very far away. But there is something to strive for.
              1. Gennady Alexandrovich
                Gennady Alexandrovich 28 December 2015 01: 46 New
                0
                We are satisfied with the symbiosis of Tsarist Russia, Soviet Russia, capitalist Russia. All the best and the most reasonable should be chosen, and put into perspective with today's perspective smile
                1. anew
                  anew 28 December 2015 10: 16 New
                  0
                  Quote: Gennady Alexandrovich
                  ace suits the symbiosis of Tsarist Russia, Soviet Russia, capitalist Russia.

                  And capitalist? And where did the capitalist come from? From the future?
                  1. Gennady Alexandrovich
                    Gennady Alexandrovich 28 December 2015 10: 54 New
                    0
                    We’ll take it delicately laughing
                  2. Gennady Alexandrovich
                    Gennady Alexandrovich 28 December 2015 20: 22 New
                    0
                    Capitalism has been in Russia for 25 years
                    1. anew
                      anew 28 December 2015 20: 45 New
                      0
                      Quote: Gennady Alexandrovich
                      Capitalism has been in Russia for 25 years

                      And you know how to make fun. laughing
                      Then it’s not 25, but 99 years. From February 1917 count out. wink We will pretend that we are about the Bolshevik counter-revolutionary (restoration) coup of January 1918. we don’t know anything.
                      Do you even know the main differences between capitalism, like the OEF, from feudalism? Can you name?
  • Nikolay K
    Nikolay K 27 December 2015 13: 08 New
    +9
    "the last few hundred years, Russia has always been on the side of good"
    Again praises himself beloved? Since there are few who speak about us, let us shout to ourselves that the Russians are the best and put each other pluses in blissful ecstasy.
    And you did not think that every nation, like every person, has its own truth? And few people think that it acts badly and unfairly. I think even the owners of black slaves on American plantations sincerely believed that they were acting in the interests of goodness and morality.
    Yes, the Russian people have their own culture, traditions, and even a peculiar understanding of morality. And this national individual needs to be valued and strived to preserve. But this is achieved by no means through denial and humiliation of other cultures, but through awareness and study of one's own.
  • Mik13
    Mik13 27 December 2015 13: 09 New
    0
    And when the Soviet Union collapsed, it was we who took upon ourselves the general debt burden, having saved (and, apparently, in vain) our former "brothers" from it.

    As I understand it, the author means the so-called. "zero option agreement"? The essence of the treaty is that Russia assumed the service of the entire state debt of the former Union in exchange for the refusal of other republics from a share in its assets.

    The contract is quite controversial. The Russian Federation refused to provide full information about the state of the gold reserve, diamond fund and balances of banks of the former USSR on 1 of December 1991 of the year, as well as the book value and market value of property of the former USSR abroad with international audit. Accordingly, the Ukrainian parliament has not ratified the treaty and does not consider it to be valid.

    Ukrainian experts believe that the total value of the USSR’s foreign property reached $ 300-400 billion (excluding assets of former Soviet banks, in particular, deposits in Sberbank of the USSR), which means Ukraine’s share in them amounted to $ 49-65 billion, Russia paid up to Ukraine $ 14 billion of external debt.

    The position of the Russian Federation in this matter - the contract is considered valid, it is not going to consider the division of debts and assets in essence of the Russian Federation.

    Accordingly, in the light of recent events, it is likely that the final resolution of the issue will take place in the courts, which, given the Yukos case, would be extremely undesirable for the Russian Federation.

    And I would recommend to the distinguished author, before publishing loud slogans about complex problems, at least to get acquainted with these problems. Lately, the "leavened patriotism" of some authors has been somewhat dull and irrelevant.
  • Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 27 December 2015 13: 18 New
    +3
    But what is soooooooooo rich in our country is the storytellers of different stripes and levels! You go to the bureaucrat at the reception with your problem, Pushkin needs to learn how to compose such compliments in a couple of minutes !!!!!!
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 27 December 2015 13: 36 New
      -4
      But our officials are responsible for the adult market - in what other country can officials shoot for the wrong answer to the question asked and calmly go about their business?
  • nrex
    nrex 27 December 2015 13: 38 New
    -3
    To collect all of you in the trench near Little Russia. 20% would run away, but the rest of the world outlook has changed in a coordinated way. You would then be aware of your racial identity and Voros about human weaknesses did not ask. I would teach and love and appreciate, people, and life.
    1. Mik13
      Mik13 27 December 2015 14: 02 New
      +7
      Quote: nrex
      To collect all of you in the trench near Little Russia. 20% would have escaped, but the rest of the world outlook changed in a coordinated way. Would you then realized their racial identity Nor did they ask about human weakness. I would teach to love and appreciate, people, and life.

      Those who racial identity realized that they are fighting in the battalions "Azov", "Aydar", "Dnepr" and other porno with lyashki and abelmazes. Well, that is, how they fight - from peremoga to zrada, as usual, boilers, saucepans, graves ...

      And the Russians somehow "racial identity"do not bother. I mean, real, not geeks who are ready to perform a political blowjob to Goebbels ...
  • Down House
    Down House 27 December 2015 13: 38 New
    -8
    Another "pseudo-historical" tale about the "special Russian way" and the "special" Russian people! fellow
    I explain how in fact:
    1. In fact, the bearer of the National Culture is the National Elite in any country in the world, the people themselves in any country in the world are international and very similar.
    2. The greatness of the Russian State was associated with the Intelligence Level of the Russian Elite (aristocracy), which historically had to train it more than others historically living in unsuitable lands in the complete environment of hostile peoples.
    3. The main advantage of the "Russian muzhik" is his genetic affinity to the primitive Cro-Magnon and, consequently, his "wildness".
    The Russian peasant is the "wildest" in Europe and can fell the forest for 24 hours without a head without fatigue and for 24 hours to go on the attack without a leg and without fear, European "men" are not capable of this either physically or psychologically - and ours is able to endure and not that ! Only Negro Mongols are cooler than us in this regard, but they have historically been unlucky with the aristocracy, but we were lucky fellow
  • Blondy
    Blondy 27 December 2015 13: 40 New
    +2
    Already reduces teeth from longing, is that an example from a training manual for elementary school?
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 27 December 2015 13: 46 New
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      Quote: Blondy
      Is this an example from a manual for elementary school?

      rather, for a nursing home for workers of the ideological sector of the Central Committee of the CPSU. His patients in a collective letter demand the nomination of the film "Tractor Drivers" for an Oscar.
  • pl675
    pl675 27 December 2015 13: 40 New
    +3
    pathos and big words so much that the feeling that again someone somewhere stole a lot.
  • Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 27 December 2015 13: 41 New
    +2
    But seriously, the truth voiced in a popular and good film makes sense - "the power is in the truth, brother." In the West, there is no truth, but the local residents do not need it, they grab what they give on TV and do not frown. We are also fooled out of the box, but our people are not so easy on it - they read, watch, discuss, seek the truth. Therefore, our people have a future, in contrast to the "tolerant and multicultural".
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 27 December 2015 13: 53 New
      0
      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      In the West there is no truth, but the locals do not need it, they grab it, they give it on TV and do not frown.

      how do you know Did they tell you in your mailbox?
      Declaring a monopoly on the truth is a rather stupid occupation.
      1. Mikhail Krapivin
        Mikhail Krapivin 27 December 2015 14: 03 New
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        Quote: Zeppelin ml.
        Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
        In the West there is no truth, but the locals do not need it, they grab it, they give it on TV and do not frown.

        how do you know Did they tell you in your mailbox?
        Declaring a monopoly on the truth is a rather stupid occupation.


        Euronews I watch every morning to know the opinion of the enemy on the main issues. Then I watch our news. Then I read the Internet. Then I generalize, divide by three and form my opinion. But in Europe they are doing this, or are Euronews + CNN + BBC satisfied?
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 27 December 2015 14: 23 New
          -1
          Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
          Euronews watch every morning ... Then I watch our news. Then I read the Internet. Then I generalize

          and such a good immersion in news content allows us to conclude that
          Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
          There is no truth in the West, but the locals do not need it

          “Very curious.”
          Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
          But in Europe they are doing this, or are Euronews + CNN + BBC satisfied?

          the list of sources goes on. No matter what you are told, but, unfortunately, the Russian media have not made and will not do information breakthroughs to the West. On different sides of the ideological barricades, the consumer diligently chews on what is served to him. It is not worth hoping that the omnipotent Internet has gnawed a hole in this wall. And Russian foreign language The news and analytical resource in the European information field is negligible. Unfortunately.
    2. pl675
      pl675 27 December 2015 13: 59 New
      +5
      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      But seriously, the truth voiced in a popular and good film makes sense - "the power is in the truth, brother." In the West, there is no truth, but the local residents do not need it, they grab what they give on TV and do not frown. We are also fooled out of the box, but our people are not so easy on it - they read, watch, discuss, seek the truth. Therefore, our people have a future, in contrast to the "tolerant and multicultural".

      European man falls into a stupor, from the scene of the opening of a bottle of beer with a lighter.
      he is certainly not as severe as the Chelyabinsk milling machine operator, but he is not so openly and brazenly deceived. you would travel around the world (west) to look, and only after that you can voice your opinion, without templates and stencils. in your commentary you repeated the comic opinion of Europeans about the fact that 'bears and men walk the streets in Russia and do nothing but play the balalaika and eat vodka.
      1. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 27 December 2015 14: 03 New
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        Quote: pl675
        European man falls into a stupor, from the scene of the opening of a bottle of beer with a lighter.

        ... if a bottle with a screw cap ... laughing
      2. Down House
        Down House 27 December 2015 14: 28 New
        0
        Quote: pl675
        European man falls into a stupor, from the scene of the opening of a bottle of beer with a lighter.

        I personally saw in American films how "cool American men" open beer with their teeth!
        I also tried it myself, but the teeth are more important, I decided that a lighter is more convenient fellow
        1. Great-grandfather of Zeus
          Great-grandfather of Zeus 27 December 2015 15: 46 New
          0
          Down House-ask that they send you the American who opens the bottle with his teeth in the film, and you won’t need to disfigure the lighter.
          1. Down House
            Down House 27 December 2015 16: 03 New
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            Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
            so that they send you the American who opens the bottle with his teeth in the film

            Well, it’s probably expensive, better than American students at beer cans biting their teeth - they’re cheaper laughing
  • Rigla
    Rigla 27 December 2015 13: 59 New
    -8
    Extracted, the main thing is that the stinking Ukrainians would get worse and worse.
    1. Mik13
      Mik13 27 December 2015 14: 08 New
      +3
      Quote: Rigla
      Extracted, the main thing is that the stinking Ukrainians would get worse and worse.

      Is this a joke, alternatively intellectual?
      Or did the next petrosyanishch come out?

      So with such jokes, it’s not Stalin’s avatar, but Vlasov’s. Or Krasnova, Skuro ...
      And Stalin was out of order. Under him, for such a "yumor" was hung by the neck ...
      1. brisk
        brisk 27 December 2015 16: 02 New
        +2
        Quote: Mik13
        Is this a joke, alternatively intellectual?


        And he is either a paid provocateur, or durko juvenile. No other is given.
        1. Mik13
          Mik13 27 December 2015 16: 14 New
          0
          Quote: svelto
          And he is either a paid provocateur, or durko juvenile. No other is given.

          And how have the moderators not yet shot him? What stars have grown to ...
          Stalin also hung on the profile picture ...
  • Stalingrad
    Stalingrad 27 December 2015 14: 11 New
    +3
    Andrei Tsygankov, a professor at the University of San Francisco, asked the Russian president the following question: “The conflict between the values ​​of Russia and the United States is growing. What is the problem?"
    Putin answer:
    “If you look at the reasoning of our thinkers, philosophers, and representatives of classical Russian literature, they see the reasons for the disagreement between Russia and the West in the broad sense in the difference in worldviews. And partly they are right. At the heart of the Russian is the idea of ​​good and evil, of higher powers, a divine principle. At the heart of the Western - I do not want this to sound somehow awkward, but still - interest, pragmatism ... "
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 27 December 2015 15: 39 New
      0
      "... the idea of ​​good and evil, of higher powers, the divine principle" ///

      People usually become interested in this when material existence
      improves, and there is no hope of one’s strength to improve one’s life.

      And when everything is in order: family, children, vacation, shopping, holidays.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 27 December 2015 15: 47 New
        +2
        People usually become interested in this when material existence
        improves, and there is no hope of one’s strength to improve one’s life.

        Ie, when "everything is good", you can not be interested in anything, right? Good stools and appetite are the main things that most people need?
        1. rom8726
          rom8726 27 December 2015 15: 50 New
          +1
          the deterioration of material existence, as a rule, is the merit of the authorities, and then "external enemies" and religion ("fast !!!") come to the rescue. A good stool and appetite are really needed by the majority at all times. And those who need and so are interested
          1. Down House
            Down House 27 December 2015 16: 06 New
            -3
            Quote: rom8726
            deterioration of material existence is usually a merit of power

            This is usually the result of human laziness and stupidity, smart and hardworking NORMALLY live in any country in the world.
            1. rom8726
              rom8726 27 December 2015 20: 50 New
              0
              tell this to my parents, who were not paid a salary for half a year, my father worked for 15 years without holidays, often on weekends, the work was nervous (police), they nearly killed him a couple of times. Well, the pension is 8 thousand
          2. avva2012
            avva2012 27 December 2015 16: 11 New
            +3
            A good chair and appetite is really needed by most at all times.
            It depends.
            Love it all, eat "smecta", "pancreatin".
            A man, as though some would not want, nevertheless, and besides a chair, is interested in something, is it not strange?
            Strange, you have put, in practice, an equal sign between external enemies and religion. You who are the external enemy?
        2. Down House
          Down House 27 December 2015 16: 05 New
          -2
          Quote: avva2012
          Ie, when "everything is good", you can not be interested in anything, right?

          As a rule, on the contrary, a person's needs (including for knowledge) are directly dependent on his wealth - the clearest example of any aristocrat of the 18-19th century who does not work anywhere and is engaged in science on the money of the "family".
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 27 December 2015 16: 15 New
            +3
            the clearest example of any aristocrat of the 18-19th century who does not work anywhere and is engaged in science on the money of the "family".
            Yeah, that's about them, Dostoevsky wrote a novel called "The Demons".
            1. Down House
              Down House 27 December 2015 16: 22 New
              -3
              Quote: avva2012
              Yeah, that's about them, Dostoevsky wrote a novel called "The Demons".

              Yes, technical progress is everything "from hundreds" - both the TV and the Internet that you use fellow
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 27 December 2015 17: 02 New
                +2
                Roman, read it, and then write about the Internet.
      2. Weyland
        Weyland 28 December 2015 19: 51 New
        -1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        People usually become interested in this when material existence improves, and there is no hope for one’s strength in order to improve one’s life.


        Rather the opposite. Almost all the great (and not so) peoples on the rise were more interested in the spiritual than in the material - and won. But then, when as a result of victories, welfare grew sharply, the celebration of life, decay and decline began. One generation was enough for Jews very sweet life (under Solomon, when they "saddled" the transit from the Mediterranean Sea to the Indian Ocean; however, tribalism was also superimposed here: the tribes of Judah and Benjamin were all nishtyaks, and the rest were scorpions), in order to go from prosperity to decline, and in other peoples, this break stretched for a century or two ...
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  • Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg 27 December 2015 14: 18 New
    +3
    I think we are more Soviet, that is, also Orthodox, but without Orthodoxy. Moral laws are similar to Orthodox, but without religious background. Now our state cannot give birth to a national idea. On the one hand, Syria, Novorossiya, Shoigu, Krymnash and Caliber, and on the other, Serdyukov, Vasilyeva, the Unified State Examination, Plato and Rosnanovsky dances. Congenital dissonance
    1. rom8726
      rom8726 27 December 2015 15: 47 New
      -2
      Yes, probably, a national idea does not need to be developed. Safety and well-being of citizens - what is not a national idea?) Or, let's come up with some kind of crap again (such as communism), we will kill people and again we will sit in
      1. Down House
        Down House 27 December 2015 16: 07 New
        -1
        Quote: rom8726
        Safety and welfare of citizens

        1. Safety is ALREADY dealt with by the relevant authorities.
        2. What is wrong with "wealth"? What doesn't suit you?
        1. rom8726
          rom8726 27 December 2015 20: 45 New
          +1
          I’m not happy with the increase in food prices, as well as the interest on the mortgage, which I will have to pay for at least 20 years, giving half of the income for it every month, I still do not like the ruble exchange rate, because if now something burns out of household appliances, now it has become 2 times more expensive, and I also don’t like the size of my parents' pension and the price of medicines for old people who have a small pension
  • ruskih
    ruskih 27 December 2015 14: 22 New
    +2
    There has always been and there is a sense of pride in the Russian people. But why is the phrase "Russian people" not heard anywhere in the Constitution of the Russian Federation?
    P.S. Maybe I'm wrong and the changes are made.
    1. 24rus
      24rus 27 December 2015 14: 30 New
      -1
      Because Russia is multinational
      1. ruskih
        ruskih 27 December 2015 20: 21 New
        +2
        quote = 24rus] Because Russia is multinational [/ quote]

        Bravo! This is the answer, but is it concrete or not, or do you think this is a trifle? [
  • Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg 27 December 2015 14: 30 New
    +2
    And yet, a very basic difference. At least at the state level there is no propaganda of homosexuality and tolerance and other abominations. No parent to you and no parent to two, homosexuals and legalization of drugs.
    1. 24rus
      24rus 27 December 2015 14: 46 New
      0
      Yes, yes - one reaction to the law banning homosexual propaganda among children is worth
  • rom8726
    rom8726 27 December 2015 14: 53 New
    +6
    especially pleased with the current state of affairs in Orthodox affairs. Municipal property (in fact, public) is squeezed out of people for the construction of new churches (branches of the ROC CJSC), taxes are not paid, everyone has cool cars, drunken pedestrians run over them. Yes, it must have always been so - it is worth looking at what is in churches (gold and only), and what have you seen in Protestant churches ??))) Yes, there is nothing there except benches. And in our churches there is a VIP baptism (for a fee), business lighting ("candles brought with them have no strength" - an inscription in one of the temples). Spirituality, honesty, fairness. Something's wrong - an article about insulting the feelings of believers
    1. Stauffenberg
      Stauffenberg 27 December 2015 15: 01 New
      0
      There is no gold in the West. Some benches and crowns in homosexual churches. So don’t need Lala
      1. rom8726
        rom8726 27 December 2015 15: 09 New
        0
        is there anything else in return?
  • rom8726
    rom8726 27 December 2015 14: 58 New
    0
    Nevzorov about the Russian Orthodox Church
    "Mavrodi served 6 years for this" laughing
    1. Platonich
      Platonich 27 December 2015 16: 58 New
      +1
      What a crappy bastard! Ready to drown everything in shit! And Nevzorov is a long-known bugger!
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 27 December 2015 17: 04 New
        0
        What a crappy bastard! Ready to drown everything in shit! And Nevzorov is a long-known bugger!
        Yes, he is not a bugger, but just ....
        Although, if, you, have emotional pederasty, then, apparently, I agree.
  • avva2012
    avva2012 27 December 2015 15: 02 New
    +2
    Quote: rom8726
    especially pleased with the current state of affairs in Orthodox affairs. Municipal property (in fact, public) is squeezed out of people for the construction of new churches (branches of the ROC CJSC), taxes are not paid, everyone has cool cars, drunken pedestrians run over them. Yes, it must have always been so - it is worth looking at what is in churches (gold and only), and what have you seen in Protestant churches ??))) Yes, there is nothing there except benches. And in our churches there is a VIP baptism (for a fee), business lighting ("candles brought with them have no strength" - an inscription in one of the temples). Spirituality, honesty, fairness. Something's wrong - an article about insulting the feelings of believers

    Do you like Protestants? Do you know their basic principles of faith? Like, for example, what God gives according to your deeds. That is, if you are rich, then God protects you, but if not, then, sorry, not God-chosen, he is to blame. Only in Protestantism, genocide of other nations is possible. Just because of the foundations of this faith. If some people live in savagery, then again, God punished him. Therefore. millions of Indians, or Russians, or Jews can be destroyed. The concept of savagery is a loose thing, isn't it ?.
  • Rigla
    Rigla 27 December 2015 15: 06 New
    -4
    Quote: ruskih
    There has always been and there is a sense of pride in the Russian people. But why is the phrase "Russian people" not heard anywhere in the Constitution of the Russian Federation?
    P.S. Maybe I'm wrong and the changes are made.

    It will be related to us with Ukrainians - vile traitors and rubbers of the Western people. Therefore it is not necessary.
    1. samarin1969
      samarin1969 27 December 2015 15: 21 New
      +5
      Do not generalize like that! ... Millions of Ukrainians were heroes of the war.
      For 23 years in Crimea I’m tired of this nationalistic waste am ... And no one will forget and forgive Gorlovka ... But there are millions of cheerful and hardworking Ukrainians, including Russian citizens ... Moreover, the Right Bank and the Left Bank are a huge difference. The right bank is lost forever and that’s good.
      1. brisk
        brisk 27 December 2015 16: 38 New
        +2
        Quote: samarin1969
        In addition, the Right Bank and Left Bank - a huge difference. The right bank is lost forever and that’s good.


        Well then answer --- what is the difference between the inhabitants of the Poltava and Vinnitsa regions? And especially among the villagers? The fact that, as you have deigned to say, the Right Bank is lost forever, fortunately this is very little supported by your message. Under the influences of today's mass media clichés. And people (not all, but most) live in an atmosphere of mass media and other propaganda. For the time being, for the time being. And my city is Zaporozhye, so it is completely divided by the Dnieper into the Left Bank and the Right Bank. Something for the first time I hear that the residents of the Shevchenko district in their mentality differ from the residents of the Khortitsky district. There will be more "debriefing". Moreover, joint, detailed ... And as one smart and well-known person in Russia said (by no means a liberal, and certainly not the 5th or 6th column!) --- compromises, compromises, and again compromises .. If it is different, it will be worse. And not only Ukraine, but also Russia. And these compromises, among other things, will definitely provide for taking that, still relatively young, but still young boy of Korchinsky for yogi vus and chub and on the most that neither is a carpet - to hold an answer for his words. The same goes for other chmaras. ... If you are from Crimea, then you understand what I mean ... That is, the thesis ---- The upper classes cannot rule in the old way, the lower classes do not want to live in the old way ---- it will be fully confirmed. And it will be not only in Ukraine alone. No rulers and regimes are eternal, they change ... There is not much time for this. A decisive and starting point in 2022 and 2024 is very, very likely. A revision of all your current tastes and preferences. Moreover, the revision will be mutual. I have the honor!
        1. samarin1969
          samarin1969 27 December 2015 17: 44 New
          +2
          Zaporizhia and I’m not a stranger to the city ... People of Khmelnitsky or Vinnitsa are different from Chernihiv and Kherson regions: election statistics + communication experience + knowledge of ethnogenesis. I agree with you: the border is conditional and inaccurate. But it is - in the head.
          So it was many times: the historical pendulum swings: and the Left Bank will rush to Russia.
          And it depends, first of all, on Russia.
          Sincerely.
          1. brisk
            brisk 27 December 2015 19: 47 New
            +2
            Quote: samarin1969
            So it was many times: the historical pendulum swings: and the Left Bank will rush to Russia.


            samarin1969, wait and see. It is too early to draw global conclusions. You say: "The people of Khmelnitsky or Vinnitsa differ from the Chernihiv and Kherson regions." And I will tell you in response that the residents of St. Petersburg, Pskov and Karelia are different from the inhabitants of Perm, Krasnoyarsk and Tuva. Like the inhabitants of the Australian island state of Tasmania, they are different from the rest of Australia. But this is not a reason to find out from them who is better or worse by scolding and fists. Will you deny it? What am I doing. You, the Russians and the inhabitants of Crimea (did you always consider yourself Russians?) Should understand that Ukrainians are an established nation. Which has no more differences with Russians than Icelanders and Norwegians. For an outside observer (even a Portuguese, not to mention an Arab), Ukrainians and Russians (Russians) are exactly the same. For Ukrainians, it is necessary to eradicate bad and far-fetched words like "b" from their speech, as well as the word "khokhol" for Russians. This is what we must proceed from. As for the Crimea, for some reason everyone just says: "In 1954, the Crimeans were not asked — they want from Russia to Ukraine!" But no one asks the questions: “Why in 1954 the inhabitants of Ukraine were not asked --- do they want Crimea to be a part of Ukraine? Would they agree? " And the answer is not so obvious: those years were poor years, in fact people didn’t leave the war, they felt the need. And Crimea, as part of Ukraine, so that they don’t say now, it was an additional burden on other residents of Ukraine. Well, that's what I think. Well, not a gram I dill (here's another idiotic word invented over the past year and a half!). Probably there were benefits for the Crimean economy and the improvement of the life of Crimeans from that program, and not just "Khrushchev gave it"? Protests of Ukrainians then in 1954 were not heard. As well as the Crimeans. Possible party-business executives of the dissatisfied can not be pushed here, then a completely separate caste and their few units. And the 1991 section came precisely from Moscow. Won't you deny it? Remember, August 1991 and "You won't take us with fright!" Well, if it so happened that Crimea was in the Ukrainian SSR in 1991, it is only logical that it has already moved to Ukraine. Well, it so happened, since both Russia and Ukraine and others agreed? Here Sevastopol and the Sevastopol region to Ukraine moved completely wrong to Ukraine in 1991. Here 100% agree. This region has always been in direct union administrative subordination, subordinate to Moscow, as the base of the military Black Sea Fleet. So he had to move to Russia. And even if then Russia would persistently give the Sevastopol region to Ukraine, then Ukraine did not need to take it. You are Crimean, and I am a Cossack. I relate myself to the Russian world, and you relate yourself to the Russian world. But see, what is the difference in our mentality? For you, Crimeans, Ukrainians are a fiction, a far-fetched nation. And for me, the same ethnic group as the Russians of large Russia, Estonians, Romanians, Danes ... You have a concept about Ukraine --- divided --- The left bank will rush to Russia, the right bank --- do not sew, the Western to Poland, etc. And for me, Ukraine is primarily my state. And most of the inhabitants of the Left Bank - from Chernigov to Odessa (and the Right Bank, too, of course) have the same views that Ukraine is their country, and not a separate piece for neighboring states, even for Russia. Although I am categorically opposed to Ukraine, as a Cossack-shareware one-derzhavno-movable Euroopean Uns ...
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            1. samarin1969
              samarin1969 27 December 2015 20: 25 New
              +2
              A thorough and dignified answer ... Bukaff really is a lot. I note that I am not a Crimean. I am Russian. Although the paternal grandmother from Zaporozhye spoke the natural Ukrainian language (without quarters, etc.). In Russia, I feel at home (as an Armenian would feel in Armenia). Until the moment when Yanukovych started games with an association with the EU, living in Ukraine was at times unpleasant (history books, paperwork, films about Bandera, etc.), but acceptable. The Maidan confronted many Crimeans and many in the East with the prospect of direct enmity with their Homeland-Russia. Many have experienced similar feelings. It is useless to defend politically: the uncompromising Russophobic disgusting Maidan outlined a clear perspective. Therefore, March 2016 was one of the happiest days for me and all my friends and comrades.
              ... I won’t say it for everyone, but for me personally sanctions are nothing compared to joining the Russian Federation. It is hard to believe in the unification of peoples. The executions of Donetsk and Gorlovka are crimes that have no justification. There must be a compromise between nations. No compromise is possible between current generations of politicians. The fate of the regions of Ukraine (NATO / Russia) should be decided by their people.
          3. brisk
            brisk 27 December 2015 19: 52 New
            +1
            Quote: samarin1969
            So it was many times: the historical pendulum swings: and the Left Bank will rush to Russia.


            samarin1969, wait and see. It is too early to draw global conclusions. You say: "The people of Khmelnitsky or Vinnitsa differ from the Chernihiv and Kherson regions." And I will tell you in response that the inhabitants of St. Petersburg, Pskov and Karelia differ from the inhabitants of Perm, Krasnoyarsk and Tuva. Like the inhabitants of the Australian island state, Tasmania is different from the rest of the mainland of Australia. But this is not a reason to find out who is better or worse with abuse and fists. Will you deny it? Why am I? You, Russians and residents of Crimea (you have always considered yourself Russians?) Should understand that Ukrainians are an established nation. Which has no more difference with the Russians than the Icelanders with the Norwegians. For an outside observer (even a Portuguese, not to mention an Arab), Ukrainians and Russians (Russians) are exactly the same. For Ukrainians, it is necessary to eradicate bad and far-fetched words like "b" from their speech, as well as the word "khokhol" for Russians. This is what we must proceed from. As for Crimea, for some reason everyone just says: "In 1954, the Crimeans were not asked - they want from Russia to Ukraine!" But no one asks the questions: "Why in 1954 the inhabitants of Ukraine were not asked --- do they want Crimea to be a part of Ukraine? Would they agree?" And the answer is not so obvious - those years were poor years, in fact, people did not leave the war, they felt need. And Crimea was a part of Ukraine, whatever they say now, it was an additional burden on other residents of Ukraine. Well, that's what I think. Well, I'm not a single gram of dill (here's another idiotic word invented over the past year and a half!).
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          5. brisk
            brisk 27 December 2015 19: 54 New
            +1
            The inexorable question of survival in a predatory and basically alien and hostile world and environment will naturally emerge. Then both Russians and Ukrainians will remember about unifying-Uniate aspirations. But this will, as they say, be a completely different story. That is why such a line of behavior is important for Ukraine and Russia, Ukrainians and Russians --- compromises, compromises, and compromises once again ... No, I will not argue that Ukraine needs to most aggressively seek the return of Crimea to its composition. The most logical and appropriate step for Ukraine, even right now, would be the de jure recognition of Sevastopol and its region (this is only 4% of the Crimean peninsula area) as Russian territory. Recognized further everything. With regard to KRYMNASH-NENASH, they expressed their position clearly and clearly. And on this in this matter, Ukraine spoke out and decided. This would entail benefits for the Russian Federation --- surely after this, a lot of sanctions against it would disappear (and they harm Russia, and a lot of harm, sanctions). It is possible and necessary for Ukraine to do something else without any regard to Russia. But this does not mean that Russia, for its part, should not make compromises. Otherwise, there will be no reunification processes. And without them, in the future, and in the near enough future, it will be very, very bad for all that land --- from Transcarpathia to Chukotka. I got a lot of buccaff, but without them you won’t cook porridge.
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          7. brisk
            brisk 27 December 2015 19: 57 New
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            Probably there were benefits for the Crimean economy and the improvement of the life of Crimeans from that program, and not just "Khrushchev gave it"? The protests of the Ukrainians then in 1954 were not heard. As well as the Crimeans. Potential disgruntled party executives can not be added here, then a completely separate caste and only a few of them. And the 1991 section came from Moscow. Won't you deny it? Remember, August 1991 and "You can't take us with fright!" Well, if it so happened that Crimea was in the Ukrainian SSR in 1991, then it is quite logical that it went to Ukraine. Well, so it happened, since Russia and Ukraine and others agreed so? Here Sevastopol and the region of Sevastopol to Ukraine went completely wrong to Ukraine in 1991. Here, 100% agree. This area has always been under direct allied administrative subordination, subordinate to Moscow, as the base of the Black Sea Fleet. So he had to go to Russia. And even if then Russia would persistently give the Sevastopol region to Ukraine, then Ukraine would not have to take it. You are a Crimean, and I am a Zaporozhets. I belong to the Russian world, and you belong to the Russian world. But you see, what is the difference in our mentality? For you Crimeans, Ukrainians are a fiction, a contrived nation. And for me, the same ethnos as the Russians of big Russia, Estonians, Romanians, Danes ... You have a notion about Ukraine --- divide --- The Left Bank will rush to Russia, the Right Bank --- don't sew it, the Western one will go to Poland, etc. .d. And for me, Ukraine is primarily my state. And most of the inhabitants of the Left Bank - from Chernigov to Odessa (and the Right Bank, too, of course) have the same views that Ukraine is their country, and not a separate piece for neighboring states, even for Russia. Although I am categorically against Ukraine, as a cossack-sharovar one-dezhavno-movnoy European unsov ... Where is not the Great Patriotic War, but the Second World War ... But you are a Crimean and it is difficult for you to understand. It is alien to your mentality. It is acceptable for you --- Ukraine is far-fetched, to grab a piece of Ukraine to Russia. Even for me, already a middle-aged man for 50 years, brought up in the USSR and on its values, hating the maydan bastard - such your views are sharply hostile. All the more so for today's Ukrainian youth. But for me the ideal is a common big state, like the USSR was, a state for all its people, and not for a handful of nouveau riche, a state with which the whole world would reckon. And in Ukraine there will be many Ukrainians who will support this. But in Russia? Difficulties will grow, here she is! will be! It is now in euphoria there, and the Chinese are allies, almost brother-matchmakers (however, they began to gradually move away from delight, the Chinese).
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    2. Mik13
      Mik13 27 December 2015 16: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Rigla
      Extracted, the main thing is that the stinking Ukrainians would get worse and worse.

      Quote: Rigla
      It will be related to us with Ukrainians - vile traitors and rubbers of the Western people. Therefore it is not necessary.

      Well, you are a traitor. The case for which the grandfathers fought betrayed. (if your grandfather, of course, did not serve with Vlasov).
      In two comments you painted yourself in those colors in which you painted yourself. Natsik - it is Natsik. At least Russian, at least German, at least some. The same substance.

      Put Vlasov on your profile picture. Deserved it. Moral appearance is consistent.
  • red rocket
    red rocket 27 December 2015 15: 13 New
    +1
    The Russians have always been modest; they do not advertise their success!
    1. rom8726
      rom8726 27 December 2015 15: 31 New
      +2
      especially at Forbes
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    3. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 27 December 2015 15: 39 New
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      Quote: red rocket
      The Russians have always been modest; they do not advertise their success!

      funny comment laughing This is how to understand?
  • olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 27 December 2015 15: 13 New
    +2
    I know that many will not like my post, but I will stand on the side of religion.
    My ancestors were peasants, lived in the outback, there were many such peasants in the vastness of Russia. I don’t know how they got there, but in the 19th century they lived next door to the natives. They lived in separate villages and adjoined.
    There was a lot of work in a large farm, but without bread and a personal farmstead, there was no way to survive. Religion allowed the peasants to survive, to maintain strength.
    Look at the church calendar - holidays and fasting alternate.
    Harvested- Veil, holidays, weddings. And rightly so, rested after summer work, healthy children are born against a background of good nutrition.
    Next, the post begins, amid a sharp decrease in physical activity, food restriction, and the products should be enough until the new crop.
    Next Christmas, you need to have fun, so as not to get depressed from short days. In spring, Easter is a meat-eater; people are gaining strength before agricultural work. At the end of the sowing Trinity, a few days off in which it is a sin to work.
    So people, observing the church calendar, correctly distributed forces, food, chose the time for weddings so that the children were born healthy. But there was also a working week, which was traditionally accompanied by a bath on Saturday, and on Sunday, service in the church and rest.
    Violation of the church calendar was considered a sin.
    So religion defended the peasantry, helped to survive without trade unions, Labor Code, etc.
    To grow a good harvest, look at the church calendar, everything will grow.
    1. rom8726
      rom8726 27 December 2015 15: 34 New
      +5
      my ancestors, after they were exiled to Siberia after the events of December 14, 1825, also became peasants, and hard work, not religion, helped them survive
      1. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 27 December 2015 16: 10 New
        +4
        My comment is that the church calendar reflects the natural biological rhythm and allows you to restore strength after heavy overloads. People who are unable to rest get sick and lose their ability to work. The fact that the peasant labor is hard, they all come a lot, work hard and fruitfully is unequivocal, but at the same time it was necessary not to lose their ability to work.
        If that minus is not mine.
        1. Dimon19661
          Dimon19661 27 December 2015 16: 19 New
          +3
          And what was the average life expectancy in the village with such relaxation ???
          I will answer you myself, about 30 years (((
          1. Down House
            Down House 27 December 2015 16: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: Dimon19661
            And what was the average life expectancy in the village with such relaxation ???

            And you do not confuse (I feel confuse) the average life expectancy and the expected life expectancy.
            The average was lower because it included childhood and infectious deaths at a young age.
            But the expected one was usually higher, because those who did not die in childhood lived longer and healthier than now, because FOOD plus ECOLOGY! fellow
          2. olimpiada15
            olimpiada15 27 December 2015 16: 52 New
            +1
            The people I speak of have lived for about 90 years, with the exception of those who were killed.
            The average duration was influenced by still high infant mortality, many children were born, but also many died, as well as many women in labor died. There was no medical assistance.
          3. a housewife
            a housewife 27 December 2015 20: 06 New
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            Who told you that? fool
            1. olimpiada15
              olimpiada15 28 December 2015 12: 57 New
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              There is information in the archives
        2. I am Russian
          I am Russian 27 December 2015 17: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: olimpiada15
          My comment is that the church calendar reflects the natural biological rhythm and allows you to restore strength after heavy overloads. People who are unable to rest get sick and lose their ability to work. The fact that the peasant labor is hard, they all come a lot, work hard and fruitfully is unequivocal, but at the same time it was necessary not to lose their ability to work.
          If that minus is not mine.

          Our ancestors knew how to communicate with nature, knew all its features. What now? Man has become so wild that he already considers nature wild. (C) It’s not at all a church calendar.
        3. VOLOD
          VOLOD 28 December 2015 00: 13 New
          +1
          this is the truth. not that. that supposedly pagan holidays migrated to Christianity. and the scripture about the life of CHRIST. there is nothing more than a description of natural processes and the sun rises in Easter time in the constellation of the cross. And it was and will be for a long time and the religion came up with priests. for which you yourself don’t know little. and the Russian spirit is not here by any means. it is by itself.
    2. avva2012
      avva2012 27 December 2015 16: 00 New
      +3
      I know that many will not like my post, but I will stand on the side of religion.
      You are not on the side of religion. Religion is spirituality, not a newfangled diet. Like, posts, it’s good, good for health. A post, not for this. First of all, fasting is a spiritual struggle against evil. Example: Muslims, the definition of jihad. In the holy book, this is a struggle within the devout with the devil. And, ISIS, believes that this is a fight against infidels. So, that is not a correct, superficial understanding of the foundations of faith, the road to nowhere, in my opinion.
      1. rom8726
        rom8726 27 December 2015 16: 07 New
        +3
        a mistake to combine faith and religion. Faith is faith, and religion was created to govern people in those distant times, when science was not yet developed, uses the high feelings (faith) of people to guide the herd in the right direction. For me personally, there is only one belief - belief in nature, and as a tool for comprehending and describing science. In science there are no emotions, there is no insult to the "unbelievers", there is not everything that the remnants of the Middle Ages have. I am a believer
      2. brisk
        brisk 27 December 2015 16: 16 New
        +5
        Quote: avva2012
        Religion is spirituality, not a newfangled diet.


        Religion? But not faith? Religion: Catholic Huguenots, Orthodox Uniate Catholics, St. Bartholomew’s night, renounce the heresy of the Earth’s rotation, lit them Taras with altars ... Faith: Sergius of Radonezh, Seraphim of Sarov, Sufi dervishes (and not Wahhabis - Allah alone! Forbidden! Head! from the shoulders!), Vajradhara Milarepa ... The differences are huge, endless ...
        1. Down House
          Down House 27 December 2015 16: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: svelto
          Religion? But not faith?

          It’s normal - which of the religious believers, and which of the religious believers they themselves can not decide laughing
          1. a housewife
            a housewife 27 December 2015 20: 09 New
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            Only God knows this, not even man himself.
  • Appraiser
    Appraiser 27 December 2015 16: 15 New
    +1
    Our main value - before the "Western" world, is first of all spirituality !!!! yes
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  • Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 27 December 2015 16: 32 New
    +4
    Quote: Down House
    Quote: Dimon19661
    And what was the average life expectancy in the village with such relaxation ???

    And you do not confuse (I feel confuse) the average life expectancy and the expected life expectancy.
    The average was lower because it included childhood and infectious deaths at a young age.
    But the expected one was usually higher, because those who did not die in childhood lived longer and healthier than now, because FOOD plus ECOLOGY! fellow

    40% of recruits (end of the 19th century) from peasant families tried meat for the first time in the army. Ecology, say no, dear, ordinary malnutrition.
  • Will
    Will 27 December 2015 17: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: Down House

    So the point is that in some cultures "Life is above all" and in others there is "Goals are more important than life."

    It is especially difficult for many to understand that both have the right to be. The main thing is to the place in time and in moderation, so that life not only continues, but also LIKES to live. And not just LIKE it, but consciously, that choosing the good from the good for the future is even better. Today, many have a choice "of two evils, the least" and this is already a joy, because the analytics of thinking is visible. However, this is not enough for the title "man". Although even here each of us understands in his own way what a "person" should be?
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 27 December 2015 17: 12 New
    0
    What are the realities of life? The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.
  • Platonich
    Platonich 27 December 2015 17: 15 New
    +1
    What a bastard, this Hervzorov! So they destroyed all spirituality, morality, the foundations of patriotism. Now we got to the church. What an abominable transmission, I will not be surprised that it is custom-made. In order to destroy the Russian spirit and popular faith here. What, interestingly, can Hervzorov replace our spirituality?
  • avva2012
    avva2012 27 December 2015 17: 16 New
    +3
    Quote: svelto
    Quote: avva2012
    Religion is spirituality, not a newfangled diet.


    Religion? But not faith? Religion: Catholic Huguenots, Orthodox Uniate Catholics, St. Bartholomew’s night, renounce the heresy of the Earth’s rotation, lit them Taras with altars ... Faith: Sergius of Radonezh, Seraphim of Sarov, Sufi dervishes (and not Wahhabis - Allah alone! Forbidden! Head! from the shoulders!), Vajradhara Milarepa ... The differences are huge, endless ...

    It depends. Religion and Faith are one and the same. If religion is taken as a basis, not external content. God is love. Where is religion here and where is faith? The Huguenots are Protestants, that is, people who believe that if you are poor, then you are not worthy of the attention of God. Bartholomew’s night, is the response of Catholics to the repeated massacre of Protestants, Catholics. And Sergius of Radonezh, this is still Orthodox.
  • would
    would 27 December 2015 18: 38 New
    0
    As Saltykov-Shchedrin once wrote When they often start talking about patriotism, it means that they stole something again!... It was this expression that came up when you read this text, which, as for me, has to do with leavened patriotism, and not with the present. All the same indiscriminate, I would even say empty words, as one user put it, "pouring syrup" which is based on the fact that you cannot feel, that you cannot touch, on something intangible. Well, shapkozakidatelstvo other peoples by itself. I have already written a too long comment, which was not added because of this, but I think that this is not a problem in view of the fact that most of them have already been said for me and they will probably say the missing one.
  • The black
    The black 27 December 2015 19: 17 New
    +4
    Of course, I agree with many, but for me personally, the greatest value is my family. To see my loved ones happy! - there is nothing more expensive than this!
  • a housewife
    a housewife 27 December 2015 19: 25 New
    -3
    Quote: VeryBravePiggy
    ... And parents, working as doctors (anesthesiologist-dad and pediatrician-mom), save lives of people not in the name of the Lord, but thanks to the "godless" atheistic Soviet-Russian medicine.

    A person who does good to people - works for God, even if he does not want to admit it. And where did you get the idea that medicine, from the point of view of believers, is "loathsome"? The Bible just says that a doctor is needed to help, to heal, and for this God gives him talent and strength. To call unnecessary and "godless" science, including medicine, can only be either a doctor or a fanatic, which is basically the same thing.
    1. VeryBravePiggy
      VeryBravePiggy 27 December 2015 21: 29 New
      +1
      Thanks for the instant diagnosis. The aroma of a true believer is felt.
      In a magical country called the Russian Empire, science as a whole and medicine in particular were persecuted and ridiculed by "orthodox" obscurant officials and no less "faithful" cult priests (in fact, not believing Christians, but angry aggressive superstitious pagans).
      Read the pre-revolutionary press, it is written about everything - including about the Black Hundreds - to the impossibility of being religious and "Orthodox", and, at the same time, who were the owners of brothels (allowed, by the way, by the "God-given" government).
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 28 December 2015 19: 56 New
        -1
        Quote: VeryBravePiggy
        brothels (allowed, by the way, by the "God-given" government).


        Someone from Church Fathers said that banning brothels is as "appropriate" as banning public toilets. Better to let them in brothels than under every bush: "What am I, with a log, or what ?!" (from)
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    2. Vikmay16
      Vikmay16 27 December 2015 22: 31 New
      +3
      Saint Luke Voyno-Yasenetsky - surgeon ranked as a saint. He survived the Stalinist camps and exile always helped people!
    3. a housewife
      a housewife 27 December 2015 23: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: VeryBravePiggy

      VeryBravePiggy


      Today, 21: 29

      ↑ ↓ New


      Thanks for the instant diagnosis. You can feel the aroma of a true believer. In a magical country called the Russian Empire, science as a whole and medicine in particular were persecuted and bullied by "faithful" obscurant officials and no less "faithful" clergy-priests (in fact, not believing Christians, but evil aggressive superstitious pagans Read the pre-revolutionary press, it says about everything - including about the Black Hundreds - to the impossibility of being religious and "Orthodox", and, at the same time, who were the owners of brothels (allowed, by the way, by the "God-given" government).

      I totally agree. Precisely obscurantists! Does this apply to officials or church officials, religious zealots, Black Sotins. Obscurantism is obscurantism. Christ is their enemy. They may be called believers a hundred times, but it will be demonic faith. They can even open their foreheads in prayers, but they will be Antichrists.
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  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 27 December 2015 20: 14 New
    +3
    I am Russian and proud of it!
    1. rom8726
      rom8726 27 December 2015 20: 36 New
      +1
      cool! here's another cool movie
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 27 December 2015 20: 22 New
    +3
    Maybe this?
    1. rom8726
      rom8726 27 December 2015 20: 34 New
      +2
      yes, it is consistent with all the peoples inhabiting the earth
  • VladimS
    VladimS 27 December 2015 21: 52 New
    -2
    What about the millions of atheists who sacrificed themselves in the Great Patriotic War for the sake of our common Victory? With communists, Komsomol members? Not with those who built their personal careers on ideology, but with those who gave their lives for the country?

    In one film, K. Shakhnazarova, the hero, the general, says this phrase:
    Do you believe in god? - Question to the interlocutor
    And adds: And I believed, at the front I believed ...
    So it’s not so simple.
    At the front, many yourself or a loved one, secretly .. wishing protection and good luck.
    Although they were communists and Komsomol members.
    1. VOLOD
      VOLOD 28 December 2015 00: 22 New
      0
      watched this movie. read the story. the story is interesting. apparently did not find FOUNDERS of a white TIGER. for the war continues.
  • Vikmay16
    Vikmay16 27 December 2015 22: 27 New
    +2
    Recently, little attention has been paid to morality, but the harsh realities bring everything to the "clean water" - friends are known in trouble! And about Oboronservis - and among the Apostles was Judas Iscariot.