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Mass media: anti-aircraft missile of the Vityaz complex undergoing tests in the Russian Federation

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At the present time, rocket tests are being carried out for the latest Vityaz medium-range air defense missile system. After their completion, the complex will switch to state tests, reports RIA News with reference to a source in the defense complex.




Earlier, the deputy chairman of the military-industrial complex colleague, Oleg Bochkarev, stated that “by the 2016, the Vityaz must be in the military”.

“There are no problems with the Vityaz complex. Pass rocket tests. In fact, the rest of the complex is ready. After completion of the rocket tests, he will be released to state tests, ”said the source.

Help Agency: The Vityaz C-350 ZRS is a self-propelled launcher working in conjunction with an all-angle radar with electronic scanning of space and a command post based on the BAZ special vehicle chassis. The ammunition of the complex includes medium-range missiles used in the C-400 SAM and short-range missiles. The new complex is intended to replace the C-300PS air defense systems with B55P-type missiles, the service life of which ends in the 2015 year. ”
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  1. Nik_One
    Nik_One 23 December 2015 18: 58 New
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    So that's great !!)))

    The main thing is that the release of this air defense system would increase at the new plant. Now we are waiting for the S-500.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 23 December 2015 19: 04 New
      +5
      Media: in the Russian Federation is being tested anti-aircraft missile complex "Vityaz"

      и
      The ammunition of the complex includes medium-range missiles, used in the S-400

      So what kind of rockets are there?
      Afftap, did you read your article yourself?
      1. Nik_One
        Nik_One 23 December 2015 19: 11 New
        13
        They use the 9M96M rocket, which the S-400 can also use.
      2. sssla
        sssla 23 December 2015 20: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: GSH-18
        So what kind of rockets are there?
        Afftap, did you read your article yourself?

        So I look and see some kind of mismatch in the containers in the pictures in the article and mine, if you believe the author !!
        The ammunition of the complex includes missiles used in the S-400 air defense system
        1. Falcon
          Falcon 23 December 2015 20: 59 New
          30
          Quote: sssla
          So I look and see some kind of mismatch in the containers in the pictures in the article and mine, if you believe the author !!


          Look like that. In place of one container from 48н6 4 pcs. from 9m96 wink

          1. Bongo
            Bongo 25 December 2015 03: 38 New
            +5
            Quote: Falcon
            Look like that. In place of one container from 48н6 4 pcs. from 9m96

            Cyril, welcome! This is not a serial version; there are no such missiles in the troops. request
            1. Falcon
              Falcon 25 December 2015 08: 46 New
              +3
              Quote: Bongo
              Cyril, welcome! This is not a serial version; there are no such missiles in the troops.


              Good afternoon, Sergey!

              I don’t really like such a scheme, to be honest.

              It’s interesting to replace one C-300F container with 4 pcs 9m96.

              And in place of 48n6 in s-400 / pmu2 I don’t know why ... It’s better to include in the single S-400 air defense system a separate launcher from Vityaz.
              1. goose
                goose 25 December 2015 09: 22 New
                0
                Quote: Falcon
                And in place of 48n6 in s-400 / pmu2 I don’t know why ... It’s better to include in the single S-400 air defense system a separate launcher from Vityaz.

                So it is in reality.
        2. Minsk
          Minsk 23 December 2015 21: 01 New
          +3
          In the S-400, 4 missiles can be shoved into a container.
      3. Tusv
        Tusv 23 December 2015 22: 23 New
        0
        GS-18 So what kind of missiles are there?

        Forty haich 6 - do not stand under the arrow. Will kill
      4. Bkmz
        Bkmz 24 December 2015 00: 27 New
        0
        This refers to a targeting and detection system that can direct missiles at targets, is it available?
    2. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 23 December 2015 19: 08 New
      +8
      Снимок показательный - 12 ракет. Ракеты такие же, что в С-300. Но 12 против 4-х это сильно. Радиус работы чуть меньше, но по всей видимости, система заточена в первую очередь на уничтожение крылатых ракет. Но в сети говорится о двух "Витязях" - этого на 12, и другого - на 8, с ракетами от С-400 (у которой четыре пусковой установки). И весь комплекс всего из трёх машин. Время приведения в боевую готовность - 5 минут. В общем примерно так - не взлетели, но уже на мушке
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 23 December 2015 19: 16 New
        +8
        The missiles are the same as in the S-300.

        Yeah, they compared a rolling pin with a nail puller. The warhead mass for 48n6 missiles reaches 180kg, for 9m96 - 24 kg. hi
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 23 December 2015 19: 38 New
          14
          Quote: Wiruz

          Yeah, they compared a rolling pin with a nail puller. The warhead mass for 48n6 missiles reaches 180kg, for 9m96 - 24 kg.

          But the efficiency is the same. The warhead is undermined by a controlled method towards the target, and not in all directions, because of this, the warhead weighing 180 kg is no longer needed.
          1. Wiruz
            Wiruz 23 December 2015 19: 49 New
            +4
            But the efficiency is the same. The warhead is undermined by a controlled method towards the target, and not in all directions, because of this, the warhead weighing 180 kg is no longer needed.

            Listen, but I didn’t think about it ...

            Plus you good
          2. opus
            opus 23 December 2015 20: 28 New
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            Quote: Lt. air force reserve
            But the efficiency is the same. Undermining warhead occurs in a controlled manner towards the target, and

            no.
            1. The effectiveness of the warhead 48N6 exceeds the efficiency of the warhead 9m96. Although, by principle, it is 143 kg -180 kg / 24kg.
            And so more.
            2. И у 48Н6 (что сейчас выпускается) и у 9м96 -одинаковый принцип (и разработчик КБ "Факел"» и ЦНИИ химии и механики) БЧ боевой частью с управляемым полем поражения.
            3.Обе БЧ ориентированы на поражение целей с "останавливающим" действием (разрушением конструкции) при перехвате пилотируемых целей и на поражение (нейтрализацию) боевой нагрузки при перехвате беспилотных целей.
            4.ЗУР 9М6 не сможет эффективно перехватить БР типа "Скад" и выше(по массе). Просто мала БЧ( как у Патриот в Ираке)

            Chance to hit a target:
            - manned target 0,9 0,9
            - unmanned target 0,8 0,8
            - target payload 0,7 0,7

            The mass of a fragmentation warhead with a controlled lesion field in the equatorial plane, together with a multipoint initiation system, is 24 kg. The missile warhead is undermined by an active radar fuse.
            A radio fuse that adapts to the conditions of a missile’s encounter with a target using a contact sensor determines the moment of detonation of the warhead, which must be strictly coordinated with the flight speed of the fragments for covering the vulnerable part of the target with the fragmentation field and the direction in which it is necessary to ensure the release of fragments with increased flight speeds. The directed emission of fragments is carried out using a guided high-explosive fragmentation warhead with a multipoint initiation system. This system, at the command of a radio fuse to fire the warhead in a controlled mode (if there is information about the miss phase), initiates its charge in the peripheral detonation points corresponding to the desired direction. As a result, the energy of the explosion of the charge is redistributed in a given direction and the main part of the fragmentation field is thrown at an increased speed towards the target. In the absence of information about the miss phase, a central detonation of the warhead with symmetrical expansion of fragments is realized.

            ===============
            The 9M96E2 rocket has an original lateral control engine, 48 is not.
          3. Bongo
            Bongo 25 December 2015 03: 42 New
            +5
            Quote: Lt. air force reserve
            But the efficiency is the same. The warhead is undermined by a controlled method towards the target, and not in all directions, because of this, the warhead weighing 180 kg is no longer needed.

            No, it’s not the same, controlled detonation was implemented on missile systems C-300P. Another asked that for the destruction of targets such as UAVs or helicopters, a heavy warhead is not needed.
            1. Falcon
              Falcon 25 December 2015 10: 17 New
              +4
              Quote: Bongo
              No, it’s not the same, controlled detonation was implemented on missile systems C-300P. Another asked that for the destruction of targets such as UAVs or helicopters, a heavy warhead is not needed.


              Not really, I think ...

              On 48н6 not directed warhead, but circular.

              On 9m82 / 83 at C-300В only one-way throwing was realized. This is one of the reasons why it is more effective in relation to BR.

              9m96 implemented another principle:
              detonators are located around the circumference of the charge. After receiving information about the miss side, the detonator is turned on, located on the other side of the target relative to the axis of the projectile. In this case, the flow energy directed towards the target increases.
      2. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 23 December 2015 19: 31 New
        0
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        The radius of work is a little less

        Range 120-150 kilometers.
      3. Sweles
        Sweles 23 December 2015 20: 24 New
        +6
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        The radius of work is slightly smaller, but in all likelihood, the system is geared primarily to the destruction of cruise missiles.


        radius is just bigger
        VITYAZ
        -height of a large rocket- 30km
        - range to 120km
        - speed 3600km / h
        - 420kg rocket weight
        -minimum height-5m !!!
        ASTERA
        -height 20km
        100 km range
        - 445kg rocket weight
        -minimum height
        speed 5400km / h- 4.5mach
        such a speed in aster is achieved due to two steps, the Knight is one-stage
        In general, the detection of low-flying targets, for example, with the same 300, was achieved by the fact that there was a high antenna, the complex has no such anna, and yet the complex works for targets flying up to 5. If such a multifunctional antenna is achieved, such outstanding parameters, then brave VITYAZ ...

        multifunctional radar VITYAZ.


        C300B
        1. Falcon
          Falcon 23 December 2015 21: 17 New
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          Quote: Sveles
          Quote: Denis Obukhov
          The radius of work is slightly smaller, but in all likelihood, the system is geared primarily to the destruction of cruise missiles.


          radius is just bigger
          VITYAZ
          -height of a large rocket- 30km
          - range to 120km
          - speed 3600km / h
          - 420kg rocket weight
          -minimum height-5m !!!
          ASTERA
          -height 20km
          100 km range
          - 445kg rocket weight
          -minimum height
          speed 5400km / h- 4.5mach
          such a speed in aster is achieved due to two steps, the Knight is one-stage
          In general, the detection of low-flying targets, for example, with the same 300, was achieved by the fact that there was a high antenna, the complex has no such anna, and yet the complex works for targets flying up to 5. If such a multifunctional antenna is achieved, such outstanding parameters, then brave VITYAZ ...

          multifunctional radar VITYAZ.


          C300B


          You all mixed up something ...

          1. About the speed of aster, yes, but there auxiliary systems are more complicated. Therefore, the range is less.

          2. Vityaz radar can detect low-flying targets exactly the same. like any other. It does not depend much on the quality of the radar. There is the concept of a horizon and that’s it. There are ordinary waves, not SEW!

          3. In your photo C-300В and this is its radar illumination, not detection! The hero does not need a radar backlight, since missiles with AGSN.

          4. It detects targets at the c-300 in another radar, and it sees low-flying targets no worse than Vityaz. Physics alone.

          5. Do not confuse with c-300
          1. Sweles
            Sweles 24 December 2015 00: 30 New
            +1
            Quote: Falcon
            You all mixed up something ...


            yeah deal with all c300, what is the problem ... sad
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      4. Falcon
        Falcon 23 December 2015 20: 41 New
        +6
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        The radius of work is slightly smaller, but in all likelihood, the system is geared primarily to the destruction of cruise missiles.


        You confuse c-300ps with c-300ps.
        The hero is created to replace the C-300ps with the 5в55 missiles, where the ranges are completely different to 100 km.

        This is the C-300pmu with the latest modifications 48n6 range more.
        1. Dryuya2
          Dryuya2 24 December 2015 02: 15 New
          +4
          Quote: Falcon
          You confuse c-300ps with c-300ps.

          so it’s not he who confuses - he’s only someone else’s thoughts STEAL - Toli Toli, clown Toli what
          Deniska - you slept again bully
          я то его коментов не вижу видать в "чёрный список" меня внёс crying
          Denis I do not sleep laughing
          http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20151223/1347248810.html
      5. sssla
        sssla 23 December 2015 20: 50 New
        -5
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        Missiles are the same as in S-300

        So for comparison! The rocket itself has more than one container, which is in the picture of the author !!
    3. Wiruz
      Wiruz 23 December 2015 19: 14 New
      +2
      I don’t understand something, but why do I need an S-350 if there is an S-400 that can also use such missiles. Moreover, there will be more such missiles there - 16 against 12. request
      1. Nik_One
        Nik_One 23 December 2015 19: 19 New
        18
        C-350 complex and range, which should replace the old S-300PS. It is cheaper than the S-400 and should be more massive.
        1. opus
          opus 24 December 2015 00: 03 New
          +2
          Quote: Nik_One
          S-350 medium-range complex

          Everything above 100km is considered long range.
          Such classifications are accepted. So with us, and abroad
      2. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 23 December 2015 19: 31 New
        +4
        Quote: Wiruz
        I don’t understand something, but why do I need an S-350 if there is an S-400 that can also use such missiles. Moreover, there will be more such missiles there - 16 against 12. request

        Instead of beeches.
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 23 December 2015 19: 46 New
          +9
          Instead of beeches.

          Ruled out. First: they have different tasks, Buk - military air defense. Secondly: why then work on the Buk-M3?
          1. Terner38
            Terner38 23 December 2015 19: 58 New
            +3
            There is never much good.
          2. Hammer
            Hammer 24 December 2015 02: 58 New
            +4
            Quote: Wiruz
            Instead of beeches.
            Ruled out. First: they have different tasks, Buk - military air defense. Secondly: why then work on the Buk-M3?


            как правильно сказано, хоть Буки и Вятязи "одноклассники", но это разные системы, с разными задачами. Буки ПВО СВ, а Витязи ПВО страны. Если задача буков прикрытие войск на маршах, местах сосредоточения и т.п. То Витязи станут защищать районы (промышленных, политических) страны и в основном от массированных ударов крылатых ракет и авиации. Т.е. создаются в помощь С-400. Так как с Триумфов по КР стрелять дорого, да и боезапас ракет более ограниченный чем на Витязе будет.
            Another point that it is possible on the basis of Vitiz will try to make both an option and for the air defense of the NE already a direct competitor to Buk. But here you need to look, since the Buk missile is cheaper than 9m96, and the BUK is remarkably mastered in the troops, and as I understand it, the troops are completely satisfied. And already on the way Buk-M3 ....
          3. gray
            gray 24 December 2015 10: 53 New
            +4
            here is a handsome man.
      3. avt
        avt 23 December 2015 19: 34 New
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        Quote: Wiruz
        I don’t understand something, but why do I need an S-350 if there is an S-400 that can also use such missiles.

        Quote: Sith Lord
        Instead of beeches.

        Yeah - military air defense.
        Quote: Tor5
        Curious, and what is his performance characteristics?

        ,,За угаданный ответ ты получишь десять лет ." wassat
      4. Per se.
        Per se. 23 December 2015 23: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: Wiruz
        I may not understand something, but why do I need C-350 if there is C-400,
        ЗРК "Витязь" могут использоваться два типа ракет: 9М100 - малой дальности и 9М96 - средней дальности. В варианте средней дальности:

        С-350 "Витязь" – это высокомобильный комплекс, он меньше, чем С-400, но использует ту же ракету 9M96E2
        The new generation anti-aircraft guided missiles 9М96Е and 9М96Е2 have incorporated all the best created to date in rocket science, representing an alloy of the highest level of scientific research, non-traditional design and construction solutions using modern technologies and materials science achievements. These missiles provide effective destruction of both modern and promising air attack weapons in a wide range of their combat use. New-generation missiles (medium-range 9M96Е and 9М96Е2 missiles) differ from each other by their propulsion systems, maximum flight range, reach and altitude and weight and size characteristics.
        In general, it’s much better to read about it in a better publication, http://vpk.name/library/f/vityaz.html
      5. opus
        opus 24 December 2015 00: 11 New
        +4
        Quote: Wiruz
        but why do we need an S-350 if there is an S-400,

        1.Price
        The hero is intended to replace the first S-300P (PS, PT, PM)
        2.Mobility
        All products are located on automobile cross-country chassis manufactured at the Bryansk Wheel Tractor Plant.
        3. ROC “Vityaz-PVO” - Ministry of Defense of Russia
        -development universal anti-aircraft missile long-range systems based on technical solutions of the S-400 Triumph air defense system;
        и
        OKR Polyment-Redut-S - Ministry of Defense of Russia

        - development interspecific anti-aircraft missile system medium-range based on technical solutions of the S-400 Triumph air defense systems, 3K96 and 9K317M products;

        -development interspecific system protection of the objects of the armed forces, economy and infrastructure of the country from precision weapons;

        WAS SIMULTANEOUS


        Vityaz - product 50P6A
        Зенитные ракеты 9М96 также применяются в корабельном ЗРК "Редут" (изделия 3К96-2).
        They have one thing in common - missiles. SLA, radar, launchers are different and everything else is different.

        1. goose
          goose 25 December 2015 10: 21 New
          +2
          For the fleet, an archive complex, given the weight and the ability to intercept low-flying targets. ARGSN allows to repulse massive attacks. It is interesting to compare the initial and operational costs with OSA-MA2, Tor-M1, Buk-M3, Calm, Kitnzhal, etc., as well as the cost of missiles, to make a cost-effectiveness analysis. The difficulty, of course, lies in the wide spread of the years of creation to determine the real value.
      6. Mairos
        Mairos 25 December 2015 11: 37 New
        +1
        C-400 скорее заточен для поражения целей типа - баллистическая ракета, самолёты ДРЛО, воздушные КП и самолёты РЭБ, то есть цели далёкие, дорогие или скоростные баллистические. А при массированном применении крылатых ракет противником отражать их с помощью С-400 дорогое удовольствие. Ту как раз "Витязь" и пригодится - средние дальности и широкий диапазон целей. Ну а на ближних рубежах - "Тор", "Панцирь".
        1. Falcon
          Falcon 25 December 2015 11: 52 New
          +3
          Quote: Mairos
          C-400 rather sharpened for hitting targets like - ballistic missile


          Not at all.
          This is precisely the air defense system, which is sharpened to defeat aerodynamic targets, not ballistic ones.

          With ballistic, everything is not going smoothly with us.
          1. Mairos
            Mairos 25 December 2015 11: 57 New
            0
            "Зенитный ракетный комплекс С-400 "Триумф" предназначен для поражения самолетов-постановщиков помех, самолетов радиолокационного обнаружения и управления, самолетов-разведчиков, самолетов стратегической и тактической авиации, тактических, оперативно-тактических баллистических ракет, баллистических ракет средней дальности, гиперзвуковых целей и других современных и перспективных средств воздушного нападения."(http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/s400/s400.shtml)
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 25 December 2015 12: 10 New
              +2
              Quote: Mairos
              "Зенитный ракетный комплекс С-400 "Триумф" предназначен для поражения самолетов-постановщиков помех, самолетов радиолокационного обнаружения и управления, самолетов-разведчиков, самолетов стратегической и тактической авиации, тактических, оперативно-тактических баллистических ракет, баллистических ракет средней дальности, гиперзвуковых целей и других современных и перспективных средств воздушного нападения."(http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/s400/s400.shtml)

              The S-400 is not able to deal effectively with ballistic targets that are currently available in the SAM missile forces; one should not recklessly believe everything they write.
              1. Mairos
                Mairos 25 December 2015 12: 14 New
                0
                Возможно, но.. на чём основано ваше утверждение? О "неспособности бороться"
                1. Bongo
                  Bongo 25 December 2015 12: 46 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Mairos
                  Возможно, но.. на чём основано ваше утверждение? О "неспособности бороться"

                  If you quote - please quote verbatim. Do you think that C-300ПМ2 is capable of fight effectively for ballistic purposes? Currently, only SURs used in the S-400PM300 are used in combat missiles of the S-2 air defense system.
    4. Tor5
      Tor5 23 December 2015 19: 22 New
      0
      Curious, and what is his performance characteristics?
    5. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 25 December 2015 09: 50 New
      +1
      S-300, S-350, S-400 .... an excellent line, you give quicker operation of the S-500. Separated defense is already very serious for any opponent !!!
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  3. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 23 December 2015 19: 02 New
    +2
    Well with God! I really hope the name of the complex will firmly settle in the brains of the enemy, and the mere presence of troops will awe and fear as the older ones I take with 300 and with 400
  4. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 23 December 2015 19: 05 New
    +3
    Вот это сугубо наше название,тут я согласен,а не то как вертолёт "терминатором"аскорбили.
    1. Terner38
      Terner38 23 December 2015 20: 05 New
      +2
      Ну слово "терминатор" настолько ассемелировалось в сознании взрослевших в 80-х и 90-х , как и сам "Красный полицейский", что пожалуй это то же наше все.
      1. Ze Kot
        Ze Kot 24 December 2015 10: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: Terner38
        Ну слово "терминатор" настолько ассемелировалось в сознании взрослевших в 80-х и 90-х , как и сам "Красный полицейский", что пожалуй это то же наше все.


        "Терминатор (астрономия) — линия светораздела, отделяющая освещённую (светлую) часть небесного тела от неосвещённой (тёмной) части.

        Terminator (DNA) is a DNA nucleotide sequence recognized by RNA polymerase as a signal to stop the synthesis of an RNA molecule and the dissociation of the transcription complex.

        Терминатор (электроника) — поглотитель энергии (обычно резистор) на конце длинной линии, сопротивление которого равно волновому сопротивлению линии."
  5. venaya
    venaya 23 December 2015 19: 06 New
    0
    «"Витязь" к 2016 году обязан быть в войсках».

    It seems that these missiles have more than one application function.
  6. AlexTires
    AlexTires 23 December 2015 19: 06 New
    +7
    Well, layered air defense takes on a finished look. Now getting to the radars and C-500 control will be generally unlikely, which is very pleasing.
    The thing is small - quickly, quickly produce a sufficient number of systems and missiles. By the way, Korotchenko has a bunch of pictures ... gorgeous

    http://i-korotchenko.livejournal.com/679539.html
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 December 2015 21: 49 New
      0
      If there is a difficult terrain, they will be able to get close.
    2. tol100v
      tol100v 23 December 2015 21: 58 New
      -3
      Quote: AlexTires
      .Now to get to the radar and control of the S-500 will be generally unlikely, which is very pleasing.

      If our specialists voiced and illuminated the S-400 and S-500 complexes, then this means that in the near future we will see the S-600 and 700 and 800!
      1. poquello
        poquello 23 December 2015 23: 10 New
        0
        Quote: Tol100v
        Quote: AlexTires
        .Now to get to the radar and control of the S-500 will be generally unlikely, which is very pleasing.

        If our specialists voiced and illuminated the S-400 and S-500 complexes, then this means that in the near future we will see the S-600 and 700 and 800!

        In general, yes, but I remembered about the gopher.
  7. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 23 December 2015 19: 12 New
    +8
    With a mass of 420 kg, the 9M96E2 missile system defeats the target at a range of 120-150 km at a flight height of 5 m to 30 km. The time it takes to prepare a rocket for launch when it is on the launcher does not exceed 8 seconds.

    By the way, it seems like the 9M96D rocket is being developed in the same size - in general, up to 200 km! bully
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 23 December 2015 19: 18 New
      +3
      By the way, it seems like the 9M96D rocket is being developed in the same size - generally up to 200 km

      No, well, nothing is known about her at all. We really don't know anything about 9m96M either - does it fly at all or not?

      Yes, and, as I understand it, 9m96e and 9m96e2 are export versions of 9m96 and 9m96m missiles. Like so hi
      1. Falcon
        Falcon 23 December 2015 20: 55 New
        +7
        Quote: Wiruz
        We really don’t know anything about 9m96M - does it fly at all or not?


        Летает. Только с АГСН не все гладко было, ну или с "Фурке". на корвете wink Maybe they solved the problem ...



    2. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 23 December 2015 19: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      By the way, it seems like the 9M96D rocket is being developed in the same size - in general, up to 200 km!

      She will be kinetic interception? It seems that there was information that missiles are being developed that will be able to carry out kinetic interception.
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 23 December 2015 19: 48 New
        +2
        She will be kinetic interception? It seems that there was information that missiles are being developed that will be able to carry out kinetic interception.

        I don’t think so. Striking power is not enough. Speed ​​and mass are poor.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 23 December 2015 21: 58 New
          +1
          There will be little striking power in a collision, even if the interceptor melts in place, the rocket that flies into it will be destroyed or receive critical damage.
      2. Falcon
        Falcon 23 December 2015 20: 49 New
        +8
        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        She will be kinetic interception? It seems that there was information that missiles are being developed that will be able to carry out kinetic interception.


        Not. It is practically not possible.
        Achieve kinetic interception by aerodynamic taxiing? extremely difficult - rather it is luck. since the speed of the rocket decreases with distance, and the effectiveness of the rudders decreases with height.

        Для кинетического перехвата нужна система мини "жрд" рулей, по примеры кинетического заатмосферного перехватчика, или как у астера.
      3. opus
        opus 24 December 2015 00: 00 New
        +3
        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        She will be kinetic interception?

        no.
        Vmax at 9M96D = 1000 m / s.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 24 December 2015 11: 01 New
          +1
          Excuse me, what does the word kinetic interception mean to you?
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 24 December 2015 16: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            Excuse me, what does the word kinetic interception mean to you?

            Destruction of the target due to direct hit.
    3. Falcon
      Falcon 23 December 2015 20: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      By the way, it seems like the 9M96D rocket is being developed in the same size - generally up to 200 km


      There are two rockets. 9 and 96д with a range of 120km, it is long in your photo.
      There is 9m96, it is shorter in your photo. with a range of 40 km.
    4. goose
      goose 25 December 2015 10: 26 New
      +1
      Letter D will obviously be with a forward-flow gun.
      And perhaps the rocket's energy will even get better. At the limit of the range, missiles with such a small warhead are usually limited in use against high-speed and maneuverable targets, so the real range of use of the Aster and this rocket is 10-20 km less for most types of targets. Slow cruise missiles and gliding bombs at such ranges are extremely difficult to detect.
      1. Falcon
        Falcon 25 December 2015 11: 50 New
        +2
        Quote: goose
        Letter D will obviously be with a forward-flow gun.


        Where did you get this from?

        Nobody has ever planned to create a missile launcher with a TAC, the more almazovtsy !!! They simply increase the energy of the solid propellant rocket engine.
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  9. sober
    sober 23 December 2015 19: 22 New
    +6


    contraption either wow!
  10. sober
    sober 23 December 2015 19: 27 New
    +1
    A bit of performance characteristics
    1. opus
      opus 25 December 2015 01: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: sober
      A bit of performance characteristics

      Да хоть "много".
      Индекс "Е" к ВС РФ и ВМФ РФ not applicable

      On E are the provisions of the KRRC
      1. Falcon
        Falcon 25 December 2015 08: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: opus
        On E are the provisions of the KRRC


        Anton, good afternoon! hi drinks

        What are the provisions of the KRRC? request

        Я нашел только "Концерну радиовещания, радиосвязи и телевидения (КРРТ)" laughing
        1. opus
          opus 25 December 2015 11: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: Falcon
          "Концерну радиовещания, радиосвязи и телевидения (КРРТ)"

          hi. pinned ..

          MTCR (as always mixed up letters)


          Missile Technology Control - Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR)

          http://www.mtcr.info/english/MTCR_Annex_Handbook_RUS.pdf

          http://fas.org/nuke/control/mtcr/text/index.html
          1. Falcon
            Falcon 25 December 2015 14: 28 New
            +2
            Quote: opus
            Missile Technology Control - Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR)


            So there are restrictions in 300 km? And then 9m96Е?
            1. opus
              opus 25 December 2015 14: 45 New
              +3
              Quote: Falcon

              So there are restrictions in 300 km? And then 9m96Е?

              must read carefully.
              “Officially, these are ground-to-air missiles, but what flies can fall.” To achieve the goal at an altitude of 20-30 km at ranges of 120 km, you need to make about the same effort to achieve the goal on the ground at a range of 350-400km.

              There is not only about 300km. And about the components and the lines and about missiles and so on.
              But also the exclusion of the possibility of transferring components, products and technologies that allow the ECP buyer to create, on their own, delivery vehicles with a range of more than 300 km, or nuclear weapons delivery vehicles or to develop their own technologies (kolipast) based on the purchased weapons, or to create their own missile defense based on these imported missile weapons etc.
              You can learn in more detail about the gimmick of the South (southern !! not China, US ally), the same USA, by all indicators, even according to the pH that it did with Russia.
              The same export version of Nike Zeus from Kazakhstan and Turkey, etc.


              Meanwhile, the power ratio of the S-300 air defense missile system allows it to cover much greater distances. It is known that during the work on the S-400 complex in In the eighties, a successful experimental launch of the S-300 complex missile over 400 km was made along a trajectory close to a ballistic one with a maximum height of 70 km.
              In May 2015, Rossiyskaya Gazeta reported that the exercises of three anti-aircraft missile regiments from the Air Force and Air Defense Forces of the Eastern Military District of the Russian Armed Forces took place at the Telemba training ground. During the maneuvers, five S-300 missiles were fired at an “unknown armed group” that was completely destroyed.

              Meskat ("Meshkat") with a range of 2000 km or more based on the Soviet X-55 purchased in Ukraine, missiles are ready after 2012

              Sajil (range 2 thousand km, 2008) based on Shahab-3 is the Iranian processing of the North Korean missile Nodong-1 (Rodong-1), which was created on the basis of SS-11


              what does not it remind?


              Result:

              1. Bongo
                Bongo 25 December 2015 15: 01 New
                +5
                Good evening Anton. Sorry to interfere, but this I did not understand:
                Quote: opus
                The same export version of Nike Zeus from Kazakhstan and Turkey, etc.

                As far as I know, the LIM-49 Nike Zeus rocket has never been serial, or am I mistaken? what
                1. opus
                  opus 25 December 2015 15: 26 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Bongo
                  As far as I know, the LIM-49 Nike Zeus rocket has never been serial, or I'm wrong

                  Sorry.
                  MIM-14 Nike-Hercules, as well as MIM-3 Nike Ajax
                  (nike yes nike - that's messed up)

                  But the LIM-49 Nike Zeus was produced but not deployed.
                  (McNamara blocked, although it is not clear: $ 2 billion anti-nuclear shelters save 48,5 million lives. The cost for a saved life will be around $ 40.00. An active missile defense system (Nike Zeus) will cost about $ 18 billion and save about 27,8 million people. The cost of living in this case will be approximately $ 700)

                  все же были пуски:К1,К2,K6,К7,К8,,K10,K17,K21,K15,K23,K26,K28,K2
                  + three launches as anti-satellite weapons (DM-15B and DM-15S)

                  At least five Zeus models are mentioned in various sources, A, B, C, S and X2 (DM-15x2).
                  consider that serial, for such an expensive little thing.
                  The radar manufactured Bell Labs (FAR and LAR) in my opinion in 3 sets.
                  ====================================================================== =============

                  I have an off-topic question: when you write an article, how do you insert a link to another article, a page on the Internet or a document?

                  Something doesn’t reach me
                  1. Bongo
                    Bongo 25 December 2015 15: 34 New
                    +4
                    Quote: opus
                    Sorry.
                    MIM-14 Nike-Hercules, as well as MIM-3 Nike Ajax
                    (nike yes nike - that's messed up)

                    About a year ago I wrote about these missiles.
                    Quote: opus
                    But the LIM-49 Nike Zeus was produced but not deployed.

                    The more sophisticated LIM-49A Spartan suffered the same fate, although it was accepted into service, but was not used for long.
                    Quote: opus
                    I have an off-topic question: when you write an article, how do you insert a link to another article, a page on the Internet or a document?

                    Using this icon:
                    1. opus
                      opus 25 December 2015 15: 54 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Bongo
                      About a year ago I wrote about these missiles.

                      Well, as I passed the exam in 1991, I was not interested in them.
                      I have not read the article
                      Quote: Bongo
                      LIM-49A Spartan

                      Do you know the differences between MIM and LIM?

                      Про"Спартан" и "Зевс" и различия.
                      Interesting here


                      Quote: Bongo
                      Using this icon:

                      I blunted something ... belay
                      1. Bongo
                        Bongo 26 December 2015 02: 33 New
                        +3
                        Quote: opus
                        Do you know the differences between MIM and LIM?

                        Mobile Interceptor Missile - can be translated as a mobile installation of anti-aircraft missiles
                        Launcher Interceptor Missile - Missile Defense

                        Quote: opus
                        I blunted something ...

                        Sometimes ... wink
              2. Falcon
                Falcon 25 December 2015 15: 07 New
                +1
                Quote: opus
                Meanwhile, the power ratio of the S-300 air defense missile allows it to cover much greater distances. It is known that during the work on the C-400 complex in the eighties, a successful experimental launch was made of the C-300 complex at 400 km along a path close to ballistic with a maximum height of 70 km.


                Well then it was necessary to begin with 48н6, to forbid.
                And calibers are generally a finished rocket. Almost nothing needs to be invented.
                1. opus
                  opus 25 December 2015 15: 27 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Falcon
                  Well then it was necessary to begin with 48н6, to forbid.

                  there E is the same, its lotions on BIP, GOS, self-liquidator, compound-filled tanks, etc.
                  Quote: Falcon
                  And calibers are generally a finished rocket. Almost nothing needs to be invented.

                  ZM-14E (54E) all short hand.
                  up to 300km.
                  and you can’t do anything about it (importers)

                  BIP, GOS, self-liquidator, compound-filled tanks, etc.
  11. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 23 December 2015 19: 51 New
    0
    Отличное дополнение к С-400. Такая многослойная ПВО - "Панцирь" - "Тор" - "Витязь" - Триумф". Муха не пролетит. Догадываюсь, что будет и морской вариант.
    1. Nik_One
      Nik_One 23 December 2015 19: 55 New
      +3
      The marine version is already there, the Redut air defense system.
      1. shans2
        shans2 23 December 2015 21: 36 New
        +1
        polymer redoubt, to be more precise
        1. Falcon
          Falcon 23 December 2015 21: 44 New
          +4
          Quote: shans2
          polymer redoubt, to be more precise


          Watching how to look.

          More precisely, the polymer is a radar, and Redoubt pu with 9m96.
          On corvettes is just a redoubt, without cement
      2. opus
        opus 25 December 2015 01: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: Nik_One
        The marine version is already there, the Redut air defense system.

        only missiles.
        PU, SLA, RL - everything else on the P-R
    2. gispanec
      gispanec 23 December 2015 20: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Такая многослойная ПВО - "Панцирь" - "Тор" - "Витязь" - Триумф". Муха не пролетит.

      only the torus needs to be removed .... this is military air defense
    3. Falcon
      Falcon 23 December 2015 21: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Отличное дополнение к С-400. Такая многослойная ПВО - "Панцирь" - "Тор" - "Витязь" - Триумф". Муха не пролетит. Догадываюсь, что будет и морской вариант.


      Decent air defense, about the truth behind the pro, and much ...
    4. goose
      goose 25 December 2015 10: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      "Панцирь" - "Тор" - "Витязь" - Триумф".

      Morpheus is still a short range.
  12. podgornovea
    podgornovea 23 December 2015 20: 26 New
    +2
    Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
    Quote: Wiruz

    Yeah, they compared a rolling pin with a nail puller. The warhead mass for 48n6 missiles reaches 180kg, for 9m96 - 24 kg.

    But the efficiency is the same. The warhead is undermined by a controlled method towards the target, and not in all directions, because of this, the warhead weighing 180 kg is no longer needed.

    Ни разу не слышал что-бы у С-300 хоть какие нибудь ракеты взрывались "во все стороны", везде данные о поражении цели направленным осколочным потоком(или полем) посвятите пожалуйста про эту "ракету-дуру" и какой у неё индекс ГРАУ.
  13. DarkMatter
    DarkMatter 23 December 2015 20: 42 New
    +4
    Quote: Nik_One
    The marine version is already there, the Redut air defense system.

    That's it.
    You correctly wrote above about replacing the S-300PS. We have the basis of the S-300 air defense, and not all of them are modifications of the S-300PM2, the early versions generally don’t fire missiles at 100 km, and the warranty period expired a few years ago, and there are holes in the defense taking into account these old S-300 just the sea ...
    I really hope for Vityaz, it should become an air defense workhorse and production volumes should be appropriate.
    Теперь по поводу текста в статье. Какие ракеты там проходят проверку не ясно. 9М96 и 9М96М еще в 1999 представили, все корабли наши идут с Редутом, где как раз эти ракеты, корветы наши последние годы на учениях там все стреляют Редутом. Так как ракеты не готовы? Возможно просто данный "источник" конкретный момент испытаний описывает: "комплекс в порядке, проводятся испытания, сейчас испытываются ракеты". А то как то странно получается.
  14. podgornovea
    podgornovea 23 December 2015 20: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: gispanec
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Такая многослойная ПВО - "Панцирь" - "Тор" - "Витязь" - Триумф". Муха не пролетит.

    only the torus needs to be removed .... this is military air defense

    And you can make even more layers such as to prevent a mosquito from flying! That will be great with 10 different air defense systems! Such a multilayer has nowhere else to go.

    Or to make a machine universal in terms of means used: put a container on it with 2 missile defense, or 4 long-range air defense, or 12 medium-range, or 32 short-range, or a combination of both? For missile defense and air defense, target designation from a regiment / division station, medium-short range is autonomous, at each launcher (like Buk / Shell) so as not to overload the target channels. We need unification, otherwise it’s a zoo, C-300, C-350, C-400, Tor, Buk, C-500 Shell on the way.
    1. mark1
      mark1 24 December 2015 07: 47 New
      0
      Quote: podgornovea
      We need unification, otherwise it’s a zoo, S-300, S-350, S-400, Tor, Buk, Shell S-500 on the way.

      Согласен с Вами на все 100. Особенно меня смущает тонкая грань между "Витязем" и "Буком М3". разнообразие, конечно, здорово, но не велики ли накладные расходы получаются?
  15. Gippo
    Gippo 23 December 2015 21: 02 New
    -4
    Бюджетный вариант "Бука-3М" на колесиках.
    1. Falcon
      Falcon 23 December 2015 21: 06 New
      +6
      Quote: Gippo
      Бюджетный вариант "Бука-3М" на колесиках.


      Much more expensive, complex and twice as long-range than the Buk-M3. Well yes. on wheels wink
  16. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 23 December 2015 21: 16 New
    0
    The same situation as the Shell and the TOP.
  17. Rostislav
    Rostislav 23 December 2015 21: 20 New
    0
    @ ... to replace the S-300PS air defense system with B55P-type missiles, whose operational life ends in 2015 ”

    Ракеты в Сирию, пока срок не закончился. Для амеров или французов, если опять "промахиваться" начнут и вместо террористов по сирийской армии попадать. Ну извинимся, если что, мы же не турки, мы воспитанные. Мол, ракеты старые, никудышные, ну и промазали. С кем не бывает. Вон даже вы, "исключительные", промахиваетесь, и вместо бандитов то по врачам в госпитале, то по свадьбе ударите. Так с нас то какой спрос на фоне ваших "побед"? recourse
  18. go
    go 23 December 2015 22: 32 New
    +5
    It's nice that the BAZ tractors good Well done Almaz-Antey, saved the factory and helped the city! And KAMAZ will have enough work without that ... Competition with Belarusians is also good.

    BAZ:



    About the story:



    Now you should not miss the chance: to develop production, the scientific base (there is a specialized university nearby - let them participate in the development), look into the future - electric motors, etc. ...
  19. Zomanus
    Zomanus 24 December 2015 02: 39 New
    +1
    An excellent system, I have been waiting for its entry into the troops for a long time.
    Still, 12 missiles on one launcher are better than 4.
    And the guidance and detection tools are still the same with the entire line of C-300 / 400.
  20. Velizariy
    Velizariy 25 December 2015 12: 54 New
    0
    Quote: Tor5
    Curious, and what is his performance characteristics?

    It has already been mentioned about 10 years for guessing TTX ...))
  21. Stalingrad
    Stalingrad 25 December 2015 13: 59 New
    0
    I really hope for the modesty of our generals in the publication of technical specifications. And I won’t be surprised if these missiles fly by accident and 1000 km.
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 25 December 2015 14: 10 New
      +4
      Quote: Stalingrad
      I really hope for the modesty of our generals in the publication of technical specifications. And I won’t be surprised if these missiles fly by accident and 1000 km.

      Yeah, and at the same time anti-aircraft missiles will receive target designation from Russian combat starships fool
      1. Falcon
        Falcon 25 December 2015 15: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: Bongo
        Yeah, and at the same time anti-aircraft missiles will receive target designation from Russian combat starships
  22. Lex.
    Lex. 26 December 2015 18: 53 New
    +2
    Why are there so many medium-range air defense missiles as the M3 beech?
    1. Falcon
      Falcon 27 December 2015 10: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Lex.
      Why are there so many medium-range air defense missiles as the M3 beech?


      The beech-m3 has a range of 70km, here it is up to 120-130km. Military beech, air defense here.
      A beech needs target illumination, here AGSN.
      Accordingly, beech is much simpler and cheaper.