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Technical re-equipment of TsAGI suspended due to US sanctions

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FSUE Central Aero-Hydrodynamic Institute named after Professor N. Ye. Zhukovsky (TsAGI) is experiencing difficulties with technical re-equipment due to the American equipment supplier, Ingersoll Rand Systems Srl, reports Look with reference to the explanatory note to the draft amendments to the Federal Target Program (FTP) for the development of civil aircraft.




“In view of the extension of sanctions against Russian companies of the military-industrial complex on the part of the countries of the European Union and the United States, the delivery of foreign high-tech equipment is in fact delayed,” the note says.

The program is funded by the 2 project, and one of them is “Technical re-equipment and reconstruction of the scientific test, experimental and production base for aerodynamics and durability”. The object must be commissioned in the current year.

The American company won the competition (there were no manufacturers of the necessary equipment in the Russian Federation) and in 2013-2014. delivered the ordered components and compressor equipment. But then anti-Russian sanctions were introduced, as a result of which the partners did not profit for the assembly and commissioning of the supplied equipment.

“Despite numerous appeals from FSUE TsAGI (Ingersoll Rand Systems) delayed the execution of the necessary documents with the Russian organization of the military-industrial complex (including the dual purpose activities of FSUE TsAGI) to complete the set-up of equipment adjustment. (...) Thus, given the need to complete the reconstruction of the substation No. 5 of the FSUE "TsAGI" for advanced research, it seems reasonable to postpone the commissioning ... by 2016 year, ”the explanatory note says.

Help newspaper: "The main activities of TsAGI are theoretical, experimental and applied research in the field of aerodynamics and flight dynamics, control systems, strength and aeroelasticity."
Photos used:
http://www.tsagi.ru/
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  1. Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 23 December 2015 17: 32 New
    47
    Lord TsAGI depends on mattress covers ... no Survived ...
    1. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 23 December 2015 17: 37 New
      27
      Quote: Vladimir
      Lord TsAGI depends on mattress covers ... no Survived ...



      Here for 15 years the horse did not wallow with fabulous profits for oil, and for the year of sanctions you want something so that now the “golden” silver pieces and mountains turn off somewhere))
      1. Chertkov Oleg
        Chertkov Oleg 23 December 2015 17: 43 New
        33
        to conduct prospective studies, it seems appropriate to postpone the input term ... to 2016 year,

        Transfer the supply of our rocket engines to 2020, due to the impossibility of "purging" products in TsAGI.
        In a month.
        -Oh, already changed your mind, roosters striped ??? !!
        1. Byshido_dis
          Byshido_dis 23 December 2015 17: 58 New
          +2
          And why are the TsAGI comrades themselves unable to assemble these “units” or hire another company? As I understand it, they all brought them just did not have time to deliver ...
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 23 December 2015 18: 29 New
            +5
            Quote: Byshido_dis
            And why comrades from TsAGI themselves cannot collect these "units"

            They can and can collect, but it is still necessary to put into operation. Well, the guarantee of the company is natural.
            1. the polar
              the polar 23 December 2015 21: 25 New
              +2
              And what TsAGI can not sue for failure to fulfill the contract, and to recover a penalty? Or traitors in the government do not allow anger "partners"
              1. alecsis69
                alecsis69 24 December 2015 08: 55 New
                0
                In which, in American?
          2. Wheel
            Wheel 24 December 2015 00: 58 New
            +2
            I'm wondering ...
            TsAGI has more than 60 installations at speeds from 10m / s to 20M.
            Many of them are simply unique, no one else has them.
            Which was given to Myrykans for "modernization" there?

            Threat. And why before that no Myrykans were needed?
          3. Platonich
            Platonich 24 December 2015 06: 41 New
            0
            Yes, they would put three handy men with sledgehammers, and in a month they will collect everything!
            We had a case: the Germans delivered equipment for the beer line, but they didn’t come. Ours, without hesitation, delivered everything by the method of scientific poking for six months. And when a year later the foreign ones arrived: their eyes popped out on their forehead! Everything worked and turned, even better!
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 23 December 2015 18: 27 New
          +4
          Quote: Oleg Chertkov

          Transfer the supply of our rocket engines to 2020, due to the impossibility of "purging" products in TsAGI.

          Wisely! Especially when you consider that the TsAGI rocket engines do not "blow through" the wind tunnels hi
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 23 December 2015 19: 05 New
            +9
            Quote: Bayonet
            Wisely! Especially when you consider that the TsAGI rocket engines do not "blow through" the wind tunnels


            Hmm ... But as a reason - not blowing "pasta", that is, engines, you can with a brazen face and put ...

            Amers did not bring to mind, did not complete the implementation of the contract, which was concluded long before the sanctions ... By all standards, they had to finish it, but new ones should not be concluded ...

            The Germans treated the landfill in exactly the same way ... The Turks ripped off Turkish later ... Guys, after all, Russia incurs enormous losses, and no one paid absolutely nothing for this !!! That is why they sit every six months and extend these sssanctions ... And so it will be until they receive something painful, and not paper, in response ...
            1. the polar
              the polar 23 December 2015 21: 31 New
              +4
              A tolerant attitude of the Russian authorities to the failure of such agreements is tantamount to a betrayal of Russia's strategic interests.
          2. sniper
            sniper 23 December 2015 20: 12 New
            +3
            Quote: Bayonet
            ! Especially when you consider that the TsAGI rocket engines do not "blow through" the wind tunnels

            Sasha, this flaw needs to be fixed urgently !!! How is this, we deliver to our "partners" not blown products ??? Disgrace and irresponsibility ... What if they blow away at the start ??? wassat Blow and blow, on the most advanced Amerov equipment, such as to prevent embarrassment ... And without this, deliver - no, no !!! Well, something like that, in my opinion ... hi
        3. gladcu2
          gladcu2 23 December 2015 19: 33 New
          +3
          Chertkov Oleg

          Why the hell did these unsuccessful engines not sell? Well, you have them while the Dollar is still an international currency. What problems?

          When specialists do not come to commissioning for a serious reason, it’s WELL. This means that there will be no warranty repair, it means that the consumer has the right to repair the product himself, without regard to restrictions on the requirements of insurance companies and the manufacturer. Which are overpriced in advance because no one wants to take responsibility on themselves.

          A drum around the neck, a 32 key in hand and an ominous smug smile on his face.

          Have you forgotten which way the nuts turn? Amatora, there is a root ...
        4. Linkin
          Linkin 24 December 2015 02: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: Oleg Chertkov
          Transfer the supply of our rocket engines to 2020, due to the impossibility of "purging" products in TsAGI.
          In a month.
          -Oh, already changed your mind, roosters striped ??? !!

          and they will invest in production themselves, and then sell them.
        5. Felix2
          Felix2 24 December 2015 03: 46 New
          0
          You are a little late with your comment. they no longer need Russian engines. The day before yesterday, falcon 9 launched 11 satellites into orbit and safely returned back after landing in an upright position. trampoline in action.
      2. MIKHALYCH1
        MIKHALYCH1 23 December 2015 17: 47 New
        24
        Here Putin talked about raising the level of education .. (a bit late, of course, but still) ... the USSR began precisely with the “fight against illiteracy”. Old specialists die and pass on their experience to those who have accumulated ... Some lawyers, economists and traders .. Ugh Damn! With this you need to start and urgently!
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 23 December 2015 19: 37 New
          0
          MIKHALYCH

          Kennedy, the last American president to guard state interests. After him, corruption called the lobbying system killed the rule of law. Ehh sorry of course ...
    2. dyksi
      dyksi 23 December 2015 17: 52 New
      +6
      It is interesting to whom it occurred to such a "luxurious" idea to connect mattresses to this business, aren't such situations miscalculated?
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 23 December 2015 18: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: dyksi
        It’s interesting who came up with such a “luxurious” idea to connect mattresses to this business,

        It can be repeated: "The American company won the competition (there were no manufacturers of the necessary equipment in the Russian Federation) and in 2013-2014 it supplied the ordered components and compressor equipment. But then anti-Russian sanctions were introduced."
      2. The comment was deleted.
      3. Denis Obukhov
        Denis Obukhov 23 December 2015 18: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: dyksi
        It is interesting to whom it occurred to such a "luxurious" idea to connect mattresses to this business, aren't such situations miscalculated?




        The contract was concluded when Aleshin. He ..... known since the days of AvtoVAZ.
      4. gladcu2
        gladcu2 23 December 2015 19: 40 New
        -5
        dyksi

        This is called integration into the international system. The thing is extremely reasonable.

        For re-creating a bicycle is a costly phenomenon. If somewhere there is an operating time it needs to be used. And to sell the same rocket engines.

        Clear?
        1. mart-kot
          mart-kot 24 December 2015 08: 26 New
          0
          This is not always the case, for example: one enterprise is engaged in the development and manufacture of fiber optic gyroscopes, at one of the meetings technical specialists complain about the lack of some equipment for controlling the quality of optical fiber and report the need to conclude an agreement on its development and purchase. General - Nefig reinvent the wheel, buy from the French. I am sending a delegation to the French, they conscientiously conduct their production, but they are not allowed to access their equipment for a cannon shot and refuse to sell it.
          So you do not need to reinvent the wheel.
        2. mart-kot
          mart-kot 24 December 2015 08: 26 New
          0
          This is not always the case, for example: one enterprise is engaged in the development and manufacture of fiber optic gyroscopes, at one of the meetings technical specialists complain about the lack of some equipment for controlling the quality of optical fiber and report the need to conclude an agreement on its development and purchase. General - Nefig reinvent the wheel, buy from the French. I am sending a delegation to the French, they conscientiously conduct their production, but they are not allowed to access their equipment for a cannon shot and refuse to sell it.
          So you do not need to reinvent the wheel.
    3. AbacUssR
      AbacUssR 23 December 2015 17: 53 New
      +2
      Is there such a thing? PuperJet, MeSe-21 without import is not possible at all. Starting from structural materials and BO, ending with a carpeted interior.
    4. dr.Bo
      dr.Bo 23 December 2015 17: 53 New
      +5
      Why are we still selling them engines for space flights ?????
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 23 December 2015 19: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: dr.Bo
        Why are we still selling them engines for space flights ?????

        Have you heard about the successful landing (on rocket traction) of the Falcon 9? On all channels in the news showed. So, there are not our engines. Our only bet on Atlas 5 and refusing to sell engines, the Americans can’t block the road to space, but the losses are guaranteed to manufacturers. hi
        1. mart-kot
          mart-kot 24 December 2015 08: 29 New
          0
          That's just the lifting capacity of the Falcon and Atlas is very different, you can’t forget about the Falcocom, in order to put into the orbit that one Atlas can
        2. mart-kot
          mart-kot 24 December 2015 08: 29 New
          0
          That's just the lifting capacity of the Falcon and Atlas is very different, you can’t forget about the Falcocom, in order to put into the orbit that one Atlas can
    5. Maxom75
      Maxom75 23 December 2015 18: 20 New
      +3
      Compressors in Russia do not produce (((Horror where the country has rolled ((((
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 23 December 2015 18: 28 New
        +6
        It came to a ridiculous point: even the Poles beat us in the engine building industry - it’s no secret that the Scorpio, an UAZ armored car, will have a licensed Polish engine. Shame and shame.
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 23 December 2015 19: 11 New
          +2
          Quote: Basarev
          It came to a ridiculous point: even the Poles beat us in the engine building industry - it’s no secret that the Scorpio, an UAZ armored car, will have a licensed Polish engine. Shame and shame.



          Tomorrow, Putin is gathering round the table "captains" -billionaires of Russian business ...
          Honestly, I thought that they would jointly decide how to raise the Motherland and its economy and industry ...
          However, the agenda will again be slightly different ... Again, the "captains" complain of the fabulous losses and losses that they incur ... Among the captains - and Sechin, and many others ...

          Source: Source: http://finobzor.ru/show-2822-putin-posignalit-kapitanam-chto-obsudyat-milliarder
          yv-kremle.html
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 23 December 2015 19: 37 New
          0
          Quote: Basarev
          It came to a ridiculous point: even the Poles beat us in the engine building industry - it’s no secret that the Scorpio, an UAZ armored car, will have a licensed Polish engine. Shame and shame.

          Unfortunately, our industry has not yet produced engines of this size group that satisfy the requirements for power and compactness. The same Yaroslavl diesel engines of the 53 series have a weight almost two times that of Andoria. hi
        3. Felix2
          Felix2 24 December 2015 03: 56 New
          0
          What is the shame here to buy products from other countries?
          1. TVM - 75
            TVM - 75 24 December 2015 05: 15 New
            0
            Shame on what they buy from the enemy. It is only in Ukraine they shout - "You are our enemies and sell to us cheaper! Otherwise, we have nothing to fight with you!"
        4. TVM - 75
          TVM - 75 24 December 2015 05: 12 New
          0
          Not because foreign products are better. Just buying abroad gives business trips and payment in foreign currency for our guides. Love for a freebie at public expense and nothing more. Even in the defense industry.
      2. Denis Obukhov
        Denis Obukhov 23 December 2015 18: 38 New
        +4
        Quote: Maxom75
        Compressors in Russia do not produce (((Horror where the country has rolled ((((



        It takes time .. the road will be overpowered by the walking one. Inadvertently, it turned out that our rigs are much better than imported ones. They already have a turn for more than one year in advance. Production would ramp up. But those involved in the money prefer to buy someone else's, rather than invest in their own. An example of the Ministry of Defense - for the state contract required 48 million. That's where the brake is hiding.
      3. Bayonet
        Bayonet 23 December 2015 19: 23 New
        0
        Quote: Maxom75
        Compressors in Russia do not produce (((Horror where the country has rolled ((((

        Compressors produce, but there is no way to do a unique fan installation for a wind tunnel. Here is a photo for you to understand what “compressors” are needed there smile
    6. Bayonet
      Bayonet 23 December 2015 18: 24 New
      0
      Quote: Vladimir
      Lord TsAGI depends on mattress covers ... We survived ...

      And what is there to understand?
      "The American company won the competition (there were no manufacturers of the necessary equipment in the Russian Federation)" request
  2. samoletil18
    samoletil18 23 December 2015 17: 37 New
    23
    Trouble! The USSR in the 1920 was sanctioned by the whole world, but what are WE? (!) We must start with Rusnano and Rostec! Well, in the sense of ending with the gang.
    1. Bkmz
      Bkmz 23 December 2015 17: 49 New
      +4
      Well, do not compare with the 20th year, the wrong level of technology. But about the shaking it’s done and further on the list - I completely agree, but the redhead also needs to be quartered in public.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 23 December 2015 17: 52 New
        +9
        It is necessary to compare. For those years, everything was also new and complicated. and under the sanctions of various levels the USSR was constantly.
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 23 December 2015 19: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: NordUral
          For those years, everything was also new and complicated. and under the sanctions of various levels the USSR was constantly.



          Then the sanctions were much steeper ...

          Now, while they are far from those ... even very far ... Some of them are generally ridiculous - not to let that go, not to let go ...

          We are now primarily interested in technology and equipment ...
      2. Akella
        Akella 23 December 2015 17: 55 New
        +5
        Quote: Bkmz
        it’s also necessary to quarter the redhead in public

        Before the sentence is executed, at least part of the stolen goods must be shaken out of it.
      3. Che Guevara
        Che Guevara 24 December 2015 07: 15 New
        +1
        Bkmz
        Well, if you consider that industrialization was done after 2 wars (1st MV + civil), and even mostly illiterate peasantry - yes, it was much easier.
        Now only competent managers are engaged in new technologies, the peasantry doesn’t help, but not patriots.
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 23 December 2015 19: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: samoletil18
      Well, in the sense of ending with the gang.



      Skolkovo forgot ... Silent after the thieves shock something ... Now pulled quietly, like mice ...
    3. the polar
      the polar 23 December 2015 21: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: samoletil18
      Trouble! The USSR in the 1920 was sanctioned by the whole world, but what are WE? (!) We must start with Rusnano and Rostec! Well, in the sense of ending with the gang.

      In the 20 years, there was Soviet power, and today the power of traders and traitors who trade in Russia wholesale and retail.
    4. TVM - 75
      TVM - 75 24 December 2015 05: 18 New
      +1
      And also Rosoboronexport is a criminal organization.
  3. Boos
    Boos 23 December 2015 17: 38 New
    10
    So steal! Why the heck, to us special services ... Under Stalin, entire factories with a production cycle were acquired by cunning ways.
    1. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 23 December 2015 17: 43 New
      +7
      Quote: Boos
      Under Stalin, entire factories with a production cycle were acquired by cunning ways.

      So then under Stalin! The basic concept here is Stalin!
      1. Boos
        Boos 23 December 2015 17: 45 New
        10
        So not only Stalin, he didn’t take fools-thieves near him ... "Cadres decide everything!"
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 23 December 2015 18: 30 New
          0
          And the way is not so tricky. Then an epic crisis was raging in the West, and therefore entire factories fled to the USSR, because the USSR was the only one with money.
          1. 34 region
            34 region 23 December 2015 19: 22 New
            +2
            So today in the West is a crisis! Or is it only our crisis?
          2. Che Guevara
            Che Guevara 24 December 2015 07: 18 New
            +1
            Are you serious? In the sense of the USSR was the richest state-vom?
    2. Voyager
      Voyager 23 December 2015 18: 24 New
      +5
      A worthy answer in the light of the latest political sentiments in the world. So it is necessary, brazenly steal and use the best practices of the enemy.
  4. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 23 December 2015 17: 39 New
    15
    Technical re-equipment of TsAGI suspended due to US sanctions



    And why then are the Americans not having difficulty getting our rocket engines? Vova, are you a man, or what? Isn't it time to give Uncle Sam the answer he deserves?
    1. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 23 December 2015 17: 44 New
      +5
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      And why then are the Americans not having difficulty getting our rocket engines?

      I think that if they had not sold the engines to Amers, they would not have died of hunger, and the adversaries would have thought!
    2. doework
      doework 23 December 2015 17: 52 New
      -2
      Well then, the Russian Federation will lose a decent chunk of money from the supply of engines ... so at least they buy something “high-tech”.
  5. Indifferent
    Indifferent 23 December 2015 17: 42 New
    11
    Are there really no Russian installers to mount everything themselves? And assembly documents really can either be stolen or bought through the "weak link". There will always be a poor clerk at a company offended by his superiors.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 23 December 2015 17: 53 New
      +1
      That's more true.
    2. the polar
      the polar 23 December 2015 21: 45 New
      +3
      There is no one else to get advanced technologies, there is no longer either the OGPU or the NKVD. There is only the FSB left - a sort of commercial office for the construction of roofs for respectable gentlemen
  6. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 23 December 2015 17: 42 New
    +6
    Well, sanctions are already more than a year, they could have somehow prepared. Our people are golden, they can work well and the mountains will collapse if they are of interest.
  7. seti
    seti 23 December 2015 17: 42 New
    +2
    Quote: Boos
    So steal! Why the heck, to us special services ... Under Stalin, entire factories with a production cycle were acquired by cunning ways.

    Not in cunning ways, but simply bought the whole cycle and invited workers with engineers. Mikoyan gained a lot of things and these were reasonable purchases. Now it’s even hard to imagine.
    And the industrial espionage department will probably work 24 hours a day and 7 days a week. Only this is not particularly advertised.
    1. dyksi
      dyksi 23 December 2015 17: 59 New
      +5
      But the results of this espionage are not visible, for example, the same TsAGI, power plants for warships and much more, including the element base for our military aircraft, and the Il-114 engines are needed like air, they are not yet (good new, with good power equipment), during the "friendship" with the West it was necessary to do this, as China did, but now it will be very difficult to get to the technologies.
    2. 34 region
      34 region 23 December 2015 19: 27 New
      0
      Of course do not advertise! But the result on the exhaust is not visible. Where is the result? It's like in sports, or you're the first or the first, but from behind!
  8. KBR109
    KBR109 23 December 2015 17: 46 New
    +7
    This story began in time immemorial and cannot be resolved in five minutes. So in WWII, the machine tool park was a huge problem. The greater shoulder straps of the tank towers could not be sharpened. And under Peter the Great and earlier ... But the redhead does not want to do this. negative ALL - DOUBLE AWARDS !!! drinks
    1. dauria
      dauria 23 December 2015 17: 51 New
      0
      ALL - DOUBLE AWARDS !!!


      Elvira Sahipzadovna will not give money. wassat
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 23 December 2015 18: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: KBR109
      The greater shoulder straps of the tank towers could not be sharpened. And under Peter the Great and earlier ... But the redhead does not want to do this.

      So it’s after NANO! Do you need nano machines for nano tanks? wink
    3. veksha50
      veksha50 23 December 2015 19: 27 New
      0
      Quote: KBR109
      ALL - DOUBLE AWARDS !!!



      Enough for 9 grams ... And without the green stuff ... There is no need to waste money ...
    4. 34 region
      34 region 23 December 2015 19: 30 New
      0
      That's just before the war, the issue of machines was decided. You are our machines, we will eat you. Eventually. The machines remained, and the products were eaten!
  9. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 23 December 2015 17: 50 New
    0
    Federal State Unitary Enterprise “Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute named after Professor N. E. Zhukovsky” (TsAGI) is experiencing difficulties with technical re-equipment due to the American equipment supplier - Ingersoll Rand Systems Srl

    Ahem ... and is Ingersoll Rand Systems Srl exactly an American company? Because Ltd. is an Italian abbreviation for company type.
  10. doework
    doework 23 December 2015 17: 51 New
    +6
    It's not about the "mattress covers", and not the EU, but, damn it, laziness, theft and gouging ... the easiest way is to look for the guilty overseas ... and this applies to all sectors of the economy, from growing root crops to building cosmodromes.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 23 December 2015 18: 58 New
      0
      Quote: doework
      It's not about the "mattresses", and not about the EU, but, damn it, about laziness, theft and gouging ...

      Absolutely true! good good good!
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 23 December 2015 19: 37 New
      0
      Quote: doework
      A business not в "mattresses", and not in the EU, but, damn it, in laziness, theft and gouging.


      Well, how can you call a lazy and gouging person who tirelessly managed to become a multibillionaire ??? Working ... in sweat and with calluses on conscience ...
  11. kursk87
    kursk87 23 December 2015 17: 52 New
    +3
    Well, how can such projects be trusted by a potential adversary?
  12. ZDF58
    ZDF58 23 December 2015 17: 57 New
    0
    But when will our peasants be given the will to think and create? . How much will we depend on these rotten lying (friends)?
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 23 December 2015 19: 01 New
      0
      Quote: ZDF58
      But when will our peasants be given the will to think and create?

      Old song - "we can do everything, but they don’t give us" fellow
      doework above wrote correctly!
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 23 December 2015 19: 52 New
        -1
        Quote: Bayonet
        Old song - "we can do everything, but they don’t give us"

        Cons to put, it's not build wind tunnels! This we can!
  13. L. A. A.
    L. A. A. 23 December 2015 17: 58 New
    0
    Our company is also subject to sanctions. What will now be.
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  15. 1536
    1536 23 December 2015 18: 22 New
    -1
    And who bought this "equipment"? The country should know its heroes who are ruining the aircraft! Exactly, some kind of naturalized “Ukrainian” is a Tsagievropeets.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 23 December 2015 19: 41 New
      -2
      Quote: 1536
      And who bought this "equipment"? The country should know its heroes who are ruining the aircraft

      You can repeat it again - "The American company won the competition (there were no manufacturers of the necessary equipment in the Russian Federation)." What is the collapse, in the fact that there is none and were ordered abroad? "... in 2013-2014 (the company) delivered the ordered components and compressor equipment. But then anti-Russian sanctions were introduced, as a result of which the partners did not come to assemble and commission the delivered equipment." Who then could assume such a thing - sanctions ???
  16. NDR-791
    NDR-791 23 December 2015 18: 23 New
    0
    (in the Russian Federation, manufacturers of the necessary equipment were not found)
    What is this ??? We did not find manufacturers of compressor equipment ??? Ohrenely ???? TsAGI is already also a private shop for cuts and kickbacks to offshore ??? Or the state does not need TsAGI ??? Then: "if the state interferes with work, then why such a state ???"
  17. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 23 December 2015 18: 27 New
    +1
    Failure to fulfill a signed contract for any reason, especially political, is so gamble that it’s hard to imagine worse.

    Moreover, according to the Doing Business rating, in the "Enforcing Contracts"the United States has 21 place, and Russia - 5! (Ukraine - 98 place. laughing Theft of gas affects. It is only Yaytsenyuk considers Ukraine an attractive country for business).

    World Bank not interested "sanctions"; if you don’t do it, then you’re a shit and a coprophage. wassat
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 23 December 2015 18: 49 New
      +1
      That's France for the "Mistals" and the World Bank and the entire "royal army" condemned in full ... But no one saw ... But is this also an international contract ??? Govnyuki and coprophages, what can I say !? Especially from the point of view of America. You think only the Turks know how to shoot in the back? You should not think so. In Syria and Iraq, both France and Germany are catching up with the Turkish noise. But Sam has his own problems - the elections will be soon ... As they decide, they will come again to "appease". We should have prepared by that time (from missiles to replacing filters in shelters), well, they would again say, “NO MONEY, PAY FOR YOURSELF”. And the fact that you pay taxes to the state all your life is your problem, nothing personal ...
      1. Gormenghast
        Gormenghast 23 December 2015 19: 28 New
        +1
        France has 14th place in this parameter; significantly lower than Russia. Moreover, compared with the previous fall by 2 positions (it was 12th place); I think, here the Mistrals somehow plummeted. However, I do not deny the tendentiousness of Western institutions; I, on the contrary, am surprised that there is at least some minimal objectivity.
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 23 December 2015 19: 41 New
      0
      Quote: Gormengast
      The World Bank is not interested in “sanctions”; if you don’t do it, then you’re a shit and a coprophage



      Hmm ... But the reality of life suggests otherwise ...

      The IMF has long been turned into a machine for political pressure, which changes its laws to prostitute-management position is as it should pope-afroniggeru ...
      1. Gormenghast
        Gormenghast 23 December 2015 20: 06 New
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        I think that zapadentsy "not watched"; the rating is some insignificant subdivision within the World Bank group; accordingly, there is no such control as the allocation of loans (or their blocking, as the cooperating USA and Canada maliciously arranged against Russia last year).

        As for the IMF, I don’t understand what Russia is doing in it; we don’t take loans for a long time, but we pay our fees; unclear. belay

        However, the normal law of economic life is for TsAGI to receive what is provided for; Ukraine in full and on time delivered "Bastions"(and paid for gas); France passed the Mistrals to the buyer. Otherwise, it’s a mess.
  18. veksha50
    veksha50 23 December 2015 19: 00 New
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    "But then anti-Russian sanctions were introduced, as a result of which the partners did not come to assemble and adjust the delivered equipment" ...

    Hmm ... That's all - business, not politics ... Money has been paid, there is a contract, but one of the parties it was allegedly not respected under the pressure of politicians ...

    Then the question is - why do our firms continue to fulfill supply contracts with American NASA, Lockheed, Boeing ??? Why does the same GDP by political decision not “shut up” the siphon of these deliveries ??? Or again - the money does not smell ???
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 23 December 2015 19: 56 New
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      Quote: veksha50
      Then the question is - why do our firms continue to fulfill supply contracts with American NASA, Lockheed, Boeing ??? Why does the same GDP by political decision not “shut up” the siphon of these deliveries ???

      And when the workers of our enterprises are left without a salary, who will pay - Putin or you, dear George? Money from the sky does not fall! hi
  19. AFG-X
    AFG-X 23 December 2015 19: 59 New
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    Since Russia decided to pursue an independent policy, it was necessary to attend to technical and technological independence, at least in the military sphere.
  20. 31rus
    31rus 23 December 2015 21: 26 New
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    Dear, there was a lot of controversy over the article what was open (factories, workshops, production) in 2015, here’s the answer, I don’t want to believe it, but the facts, in my opinion, by introducing targeted sanctions, the Americans achieve their goal and exactly where we have it. ” weak, "my opinion is that Teft plays the" first fiddle ", you don’t need to look for secrets, you need to know where to hit, not hard, but sensitive, which is why sanctions are being introduced in the sector that is now the most" weak "and more dependent on external factors for various reasons, in the statement that this will not affect Russia, are doubtful
  21. Governor
    Governor 24 December 2015 00: 02 New
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    Putin is a man of half measure. Not a single strong-willed decision for 15 years. It was put up by the Lake cooperative and does not need to wait for revelations.
  22. Zomanus
    Zomanus 24 December 2015 04: 02 New
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    I think we’ll agree. If we are only talking about assembly and commissioning,
    then you can unofficially do everything. It’s already becoming clear to the whole world
    that the war of sanctions leads to losses not only with us.
    And the losses of those who imposed sanctions will soon become almost more.