Technical re-equipment of TsAGI suspended due to US sanctions

FSUE Central Aero-Hydrodynamic Institute named after Professor N. Ye. Zhukovsky (TsAGI) is experiencing difficulties with technical re-equipment due to the American equipment supplier, Ingersoll Rand Systems Srl, reports Look with reference to the explanatory note to the draft amendments to the Federal Target Program (FTP) for the development of civil aircraft.

“In view of the extension of sanctions against Russian companies of the military-industrial complex on the part of the countries of the European Union and the United States, the delivery of foreign high-tech equipment is in fact delayed,” the note says.

The program is funded by the 2 project, and one of them is “Technical re-equipment and reconstruction of the scientific test, experimental and production base for aerodynamics and durability”. The object must be commissioned in the current year.

The American company won the competition (there were no manufacturers of the necessary equipment in the Russian Federation) and in 2013-2014. delivered the ordered components and compressor equipment. But then anti-Russian sanctions were introduced, as a result of which the partners did not profit for the assembly and commissioning of the supplied equipment.

“Despite numerous appeals from FSUE TsAGI (Ingersoll Rand Systems) delayed the execution of the necessary documents with the Russian organization of the military-industrial complex (including the dual purpose activities of FSUE TsAGI) to complete the set-up of equipment adjustment. (...) Thus, given the need to complete the reconstruction of the substation No. 5 of the FSUE "TsAGI" for advanced research, it seems reasonable to postpone the commissioning ... by 2016 year, ”the explanatory note says.

Help newspaper: "The main activities of TsAGI are theoretical, experimental and applied research in the field of aerodynamics and flight dynamics, control systems, strength and aeroelasticity."

Comments

[Vladimyrych]

Lord TsAGI depends on mattress covers ... Survived ...

[Denis Obukhov]

Quote: Vladimir

Lord TsAGI depends on mattress covers ... Survived ...

Here, for 15 years, the horse has not been lying around with fabulous profits for oil, and for a year of sanctions you want something so that now the "golden" non-silvermen would come from somewhere and move mountains))

[Chertkov Oleg]

to conduct prospective studies, it seems appropriate to postpone the input term ... to 2016 year,

To postpone the supply of our rocket engines to 2020, due to the impossibility of "purging" products at TsAGI.
In a month.
-Oh, already changed your mind, roosters striped ??? !!

[Byshido_dis]

Why can't the comrades from TsAGI themselves assemble these "units" or hire another company? I understand that everything was brought to them just did not have time to deliver ...

[Bayonet]

Quote: Byshido_dis

And why can't the comrades from TsAGI themselves assemble these "units"

They can and can collect, but it is still necessary to put into operation. Well, the guarantee of the company is natural.

[the polar]

And that TsAGI cannot sue for non-fulfillment of the contract and collect a forfeit? Or traitors in the government are not allowed to anger "partners"

[alecsis69]

In which, in American?

[Wheel]

I'm wondering ...
TsAGI has more than 60 installations at speeds from 10m / s to 20M.
Many of them are simply unique, no one else has them.
Which was given to the Myrykans for "modernization"?

Threat. And why before that no Myrykans were needed?

[Platonich]

Yes, they would put three handy men with sledgehammers, and in a month they will collect everything!
We had a case: the Germans delivered equipment for the beer line, but they didn’t come. Ours, without hesitation, delivered everything by the method of scientific poking for six months. And when a year later the foreign ones arrived: their eyes popped out on their forehead! Everything worked and turned, even better!

[Bayonet]

Quote: Oleg Chertkov

To postpone the supply of our rocket engines to 2020, due to the impossibility of "purging" products at TsAGI.

Wisely! Especially if you consider that rocket engines in TsAGI wind tunnels do not "blow"

[veksha50]

Quote: Bayonet

Wisely! Especially if you consider that rocket engines in TsAGI wind tunnels do not "blow"

Hmm ... But as a reason - a non-purge of "pasta", that is, engines, you can put it on with a brazen muzzle ...

Amers did not bring to mind, did not complete the implementation of the contract, which was concluded long before the sanctions ... By all standards, they had to finish it, but new ones should not be concluded ...

The Germans treated the landfill in exactly the same way ... The Turks ripped off Turkish later ... Guys, after all, Russia incurs enormous losses, and no one paid absolutely nothing for this !!! That is why they sit every six months and extend these sssanctions ... And so it will be until they receive something painful, and not paper, in response ...

[the polar]

A tolerant attitude of the Russian authorities to the failure of such agreements is tantamount to a betrayal of Russia's strategic interests.

[sniper]

Quote: Bayonet

! Especially if you consider that rocket engines in TsAGI wind tunnels do not "blow"

Sash, this flaw needs to be corrected urgently !!! How is it that we supply non-blown products to our "partners" ??? Disgrace and irresponsibility ... What if they blow away at the start ??? Blow and blow, on the most advanced Amerov equipment, such as to prevent embarrassment ... And without this, deliver - no, no !!! Well, something like that, in my opinion ...

[gladcu2]

Chertkov Oleg

Why the hell did these unsuccessful engines not sell? Well, you have them while the Dollar is still an international currency. What problems?

When specialists do not come to commissioning for a serious reason, it’s WELL. This means that there will be no warranty repair, it means that the consumer has the right to repair the product himself, without regard to restrictions on the requirements of insurance companies and the manufacturer. Which are overpriced in advance because no one wants to take responsibility on themselves.

A drum around the neck, a 32 key in hand and an ominous smug smile on his face.

Have you forgotten which way the nuts turn? Amatora, there is a root ...

[Linkin]

Quote: Oleg Chertkov

To postpone the supply of our rocket engines to 2020, due to the impossibility of "purging" products at TsAGI.
In a month.
-Oh, already changed your mind, roosters striped ??? !!

and they will invest in production themselves, and then sell them.

[Felix2]

You are a little late with your comment. they no longer need Russian engines. The day before yesterday, falcon 9 launched 11 satellites into orbit and safely returned back after landing in an upright position. trampoline in action.

[MIKHALYCH1]

Putin started talking about raising the level of education .. (a bit late, of course, but still) ... The USSR began precisely with the "fight against illiteracy". Old specialists die and pass on their experience to no one ... Some lawyers, economists and traders .. Ugh Damn! We need to start with this urgently!

[gladcu2]

MIKHALYCH

Kennedy, the last American president to guard state interests. After him, corruption called the lobbying system killed the rule of law. Ehh sorry of course ...

[dyksi]

I wonder who came up with such a "luxurious" idea to connect mattress mats to this business, aren't such situations miscalculated?

[Bayonet]

Quote: dyksi

I wonder who came up with such a "luxurious" idea, to connect mattress mats to this business,

It can be repeated: "The American company won the tender (there were no manufacturers of the necessary equipment in the Russian Federation) and in 2013-2014 supplied the ordered components and compressor equipment. But then anti-Russian sanctions were introduced."

[Denis Obukhov]

Quote: dyksi

I wonder who came up with such a "luxurious" idea to connect mattress mats to this business, aren't such situations miscalculated?

The contract was concluded when Aleshin. He ..... known since the days of AvtoVAZ.

[gladcu2]

dyksi

This is called integration into the international system. The thing is extremely reasonable.

For re-creating a bicycle is a costly phenomenon. If somewhere there is an operating time it needs to be used. And to sell the same rocket engines.

Clear?

[mart-kot]

This is not always the case, for example: one enterprise is engaged in the development and manufacture of fiber optic gyroscopes, at one of the meetings technical specialists complain about the lack of some equipment for controlling the quality of optical fiber and report the need to conclude an agreement on its development and purchase. General - Nefig reinvent the wheel, buy from the French. I am sending a delegation to the French, they conscientiously conduct their production, but they are not allowed to access their equipment for a cannon shot and refuse to sell it.
So you do not need to reinvent the wheel.

[mart-kot]

This is not always the case, for example: one enterprise is engaged in the development and manufacture of fiber optic gyroscopes, at one of the meetings technical specialists complain about the lack of some equipment for controlling the quality of optical fiber and report the need to conclude an agreement on its development and purchase. General - Nefig reinvent the wheel, buy from the French. I am sending a delegation to the French, they conscientiously conduct their production, but they are not allowed to access their equipment for a cannon shot and refuse to sell it.
So you do not need to reinvent the wheel.

[AbacUssR]

Is there such a thing? PuperJet, MeSe-21 without import is not possible at all. Starting from structural materials and BO, ending with a carpeted interior.

[dr.Bo]

Why are we still selling them engines for space flights ?????

[Bayonet]

Quote: dr.Bo

Why are we still selling them engines for space flights ?????

Have you heard about the successful landing (on rocket thrust) of the Falcon 9? On all channels, the news was showing. So, our engines are not there. Ours bet only on "Atlas 5" and refusing to sell engines, the road to space for the Americans will not be blocked, but losses to the manufacturers are guaranteed.

[mart-kot]

That's just the lifting capacity of the Falcon and Atlas is very different, you can’t forget about the Falcocom, in order to put into the orbit that one Atlas can

[mart-kot]

That's just the lifting capacity of the Falcon and Atlas is very different, you can’t forget about the Falcocom, in order to put into the orbit that one Atlas can

[Maxom75]

Compressors in Russia do not produce (((Horror where the country has rolled ((((

[Basarev]

It came to a ridiculous point: even the Poles beat us in the engine building industry - it’s no secret that the Scorpio, an UAZ armored car, will have a licensed Polish engine. Shame and shame.

[veksha50]

Quote: Basarev

It came to a ridiculous point: even the Poles beat us in the engine building industry - it’s no secret that the Scorpio, an UAZ armored car, will have a licensed Polish engine. Shame and shame.

Tomorrow Putin will bring together the "captains" of the Russian business billionaires for a round table ...
Honestly, I thought that they would jointly decide how to raise the Motherland and its economy and industry ...
However, the agenda will again be somewhat different ... Again, the "captains" complain about the fabulous losses and losses they are incurring ... Among the captains, there is Sechin and many others ...

Source: Source: http://finobzor.ru/show-2822-putin-posignalit-kapitanam-chto-obsudyat-milliarder
yv-kremle.html

[Bayonet]

Quote: Basarev

It came to a ridiculous point: even the Poles beat us in the engine building industry - it’s no secret that the Scorpio, an UAZ armored car, will have a licensed Polish engine. Shame and shame.

Unfortunately, our industry has not yet produced engines of this size group that satisfy the requirements for power and compactness. The same Yaroslavl diesel engines of the 53 series have a weight almost two times that of Andoria.

[Felix2]

What is the shame here to buy products from other countries?

[TVM - 75]

The shame is that they buy from the enemy. It is only in Ukraine that they shout - "You are our enemies and sell us cheaper! Otherwise we have nothing to fight with you!"

[TVM - 75]

Not because foreign products are better. Just buying abroad gives business trips and payment in foreign currency for our guides. Love for a freebie at public expense and nothing more. Even in the defense industry.

[Denis Obukhov]

Quote: Maxom75

Compressors in Russia do not produce (((Horror where the country has rolled ((((

It takes time .. the road will be overpowered by the walking one. Inadvertently, it turned out that our rigs are much better than imported ones. They already have a turn for more than one year in advance. Production would ramp up. But those involved in the money prefer to buy someone else's, rather than invest in their own. An example of the Ministry of Defense - for the state contract required 48 million. That's where the brake is hiding.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Maxom75

Compressors in Russia do not produce (((Horror where the country has rolled ((((

Compressors produce, but we have no way to make a unique fan installation for a wind tunnel. Here is a photo for you to understand what kind of "compressors" are needed.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Vladimir

Lord TsAGI depends on mattress covers ... We survived ...

And what is there to understand?
"The American company won the competition (there were no manufacturers of the necessary equipment in the Russian Federation)"

[samoletil18]

Trouble! The USSR in the 1920 was sanctioned by the whole world, but what are WE? (!) We must start with Rusnano and Rostec! Well, in the sense of ending with the gang.

[Bkmz]

Well, do not compare with the 20th year, the wrong level of technology. But about the shaking it’s done and further on the list - I completely agree, but the redhead also needs to be quartered in public.

[NordUral]

It is necessary to compare. For those years, everything was also new and complicated. and under the sanctions of various levels the USSR was constantly.

[veksha50]

Quote: NordUral

For those years, everything was also new and complicated. and under the sanctions of various levels the USSR was constantly.

Then the sanctions were much steeper ...

Now, while they are far from those ... even very far ... Some of them are generally ridiculous - not to let that go, not to let go ...

We are now primarily interested in technology and equipment ...

[Akella]

Quote: Bkmz

it’s also necessary to quarter the redhead in public

Before the sentence is executed, at least part of the stolen goods must be shaken out of it.

[Che Guevara]

Bkmz
Well, if you consider that industrialization was done after 2 wars (1st MV + civil), and even mostly illiterate peasantry - yes, it was much easier.
Now only competent managers are engaged in new technologies, the peasantry doesn’t help, but not patriots.

[veksha50]

Quote: samoletil18

Well, in the sense of ending with the gang.

Skolkovo forgot ... Silent after the thieves shock something ... Now pulled quietly, like mice ...

[the polar]

Quote: samoletil18

Trouble! The USSR in the 1920 was sanctioned by the whole world, but what are WE? (!) We must start with Rusnano and Rostec! Well, in the sense of ending with the gang.

In the 20 years, there was Soviet power, and today the power of traders and traitors who trade in Russia wholesale and retail.

[TVM - 75]

And also Rosoboronexport is a criminal organization.

[Boos]

So steal! Why the heck, to us special services ... Under Stalin, entire factories with a production cycle were acquired by cunning ways.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Boos

Under Stalin, entire factories with a production cycle were acquired by cunning ways.

So then under Stalin! The basic concept here is Stalin!

[Boos]

So not only Stalin, he did not welcome fools-thieves around him ... "Cadres decide everything!"

[Basarev]

And the way is not so tricky. Then an epic crisis was raging in the West, and therefore entire factories fled to the USSR, because the USSR was the only one with money.

[34 region]

So today in the West is a crisis! Or is it only our crisis?

[Che Guevara]

Are you serious? In the sense of the USSR was the richest state-vom?

[Voyager]

A worthy answer in the light of the latest political sentiments in the world. So it is necessary, brazenly steal and use the best practices of the enemy.

[Denis Obukhov]

Technical re-equipment of TsAGI suspended due to US sanctions

And why then are the Americans not having difficulty getting our rocket engines? Vova, are you a man, or what? Isn't it time to give Uncle Sam the answer he deserves?

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

And why then are the Americans not having difficulty getting our rocket engines?

I think that if they had not sold the engines to Amers, they would not have died of hunger, and the adversaries would have thought!

[doework]

Well, then the Russian Federation will lose a decent chunk of money from the supply of engines ... so at least something "high-tech" is bought.

[Indifferent]

Are there really no Russian installers to assemble everything themselves? And documents on assembly can really be either stolen or bought through the "weak link". There is always a poor clerk in a firm offended by the boss.

[NordUral]

That's more true.

[the polar]

There is no one else to get advanced technologies, there is no longer either the OGPU or the NKVD. There is only the FSB left - a sort of commercial office for the construction of roofs for respectable gentlemen

[Denis Obukhov]

Well, sanctions are already more than a year, they could have somehow prepared. Our people are golden, they can work well and the mountains will collapse if they are of interest.

[seti]

Quote: Boos

So steal! Why the heck, to us special services ... Under Stalin, entire factories with a production cycle were acquired by cunning ways.

Not in cunning ways, but simply bought the whole cycle and invited workers with engineers. Mikoyan gained a lot of things and these were reasonable purchases. Now it’s even hard to imagine.
And the industrial espionage department will probably work 24 hours a day and 7 days a week. Only this is not particularly advertised.

[dyksi]

Only now the results of this very espionage are not visible, for example, the same TsAGI, power plants for warships and much more, including the element base for our military aircraft, and the Il-114 engines are needed like air, they are not yet available (good new ones, with good power supply), during the "friendship" with the West it was necessary to do this, as China did, and now it will be very difficult to get close to technologies.

[34 region]

Of course do not advertise! But the result on the exhaust is not visible. Where is the result? It's like in sports, or you're the first or the first, but from behind!

[KBR109]

This story began in time immemorial and cannot be resolved in five minutes. So in WWII, the machine tool park was a huge problem. The greater shoulder straps of the tank towers could not be sharpened. And under Peter the Great and earlier ... But the redhead does not want to do this. ALL - DOUBLE AWARDS !!!

[dauria]

ALL - DOUBLE AWARDS !!!

Elvira Sahipzadovna will not give money.

[Bayonet]

Quote: KBR109

The greater shoulder straps of the tank towers could not be sharpened. And under Peter the Great and earlier ... But the redhead does not want to do this.

So it’s after NANO! Do you need nano machines for nano tanks?

[veksha50]

Quote: KBR109

ALL - DOUBLE AWARDS !!!

Enough for 9 grams ... And without the green stuff ... There is no need to waste money ...

[34 region]

That's just before the war, the issue of machines was decided. You are our machines, we will eat you. Eventually. The machines remained, and the products were eaten!

[Alexey RA]

Federal State Unitary Enterprise “Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute named after Professor N. E. Zhukovsky” (TsAGI) is experiencing difficulties with technical re-equipment due to the American equipment supplier - Ingersoll Rand Systems Srl

Ahem ... and is Ingersoll Rand Systems Srl exactly an American company? Because Ltd. is an Italian abbreviation for company type.

[doework]

It's not about "mattress mats", and not about the EU, but, damn it, laziness, theft and razdalbai ... the easiest way is to look for the guilty overseas ... and this applies to all sectors of the national economy, from growing root crops to building spaceports.

[Bayonet]

Quote: doework

It's not about "mattress covers", and not about the EU, but, damn it, laziness, theft and razdalbai ...

Absolutely true! !

[veksha50]

Quote: doework

A business not в "mattress covers", and not in the EU, but, damn it, in laziness, theft and gouging.

Well, how can you call a lazy and gouging person who tirelessly managed to become a multibillionaire ??? Working ... in sweat and with calluses on conscience ...

[kursk87]

Well, how can such projects be trusted by a potential adversary?

[ZDF58]

But when will our peasants be given the will to think and create? . How much will we depend on these rotten lying (friends)?

[Bayonet]

Quote: ZDF58

But when will our peasants be given the will to think and create?

An old song - "we can do everything, only we are not given"
doework above wrote correctly!

[Bayonet]

Quote: Bayonet

An old song - "we can do everything, only we are not given"

Cons to put, it's not build wind tunnels! This we can!

[L. A. A.]

Our company is also subject to sanctions. What will now be.

[1536]

And who bought this "equipment"? The country should know its heroes, who are destroying aviation! Precisely, some naturalized "Ukrainian" -tsagievropean.

[Bayonet]

Quote: 1536

And who bought this "equipment"? The country should know its heroes who destroy aviation

It is possible to repeat once again - "The American company won the competition (there were no manufacturers of the necessary equipment in the Russian Federation)". What is the collapse, in the fact that there is no one of our own and ordered abroad? "... in 2013-2014 (the company) delivered the ordered components and compressor equipment. But then anti-Russian sanctions were introduced, as a result of which the partners did not come to assemble and adjust the supplied equipment." Who then could have assumed this - sanctions ???

[NDR-791]

(in the Russian Federation, manufacturers of the necessary equipment were not found)
What is this ??? We didn't have any manufacturers of compressor equipment ??? Fucked up ???? TsAGI is also a private shop for cuts and kickbacks offshore ??? Or does the state not need TsAGI ??? Then: "if the state interferes with work, then why such a state ???"

[Gormenghast]

Failure to fulfill a signed contract for any reason, especially political, is so gamble that it’s hard to imagine worse.

At the same time, according to the Doing Business rating, in the section "Enforcing Contracts"The USA has 21st place, and Russia - 5th! (Ukraine - 98th place. Theft of gas affects. It is only Yaytsenyuk considers Ukraine an attractive country for business).

The World Bank is not interested "sanctions"; if you don't, then you are a shit and a coprophagous.

[NDR-791]

That’s why France for the "mistrals" and the World Bank and all the "royal men" were condemned in full ... But no one saw ... But this is also an international contract ??? Shit and coprophagous, what can I say !? Especially from the point of view of the American politician. Do you think only Turks can shoot in the back? You shouldn't think so. In Syria and Iraq, under Turkish guise, both France and Germany are pulling up. And Sam has his own problems - elections are coming soon ... As they decide, they will come back to "pacify". We should be ready by that time (from missiles to changing filters in shelters), well, yes, we will again be told "NO MONEY, PAY BY YOURSELF." And the fact that you pay taxes to the state all your life is your problem, nothing personal ...

[Gormenghast]

France has 14th place in this parameter; significantly lower than Russia. Moreover, compared with the previous fall by 2 positions (it was 12th place); I think, here the Mistrals somehow plummeted. However, I do not deny the tendentiousness of Western institutions; I, on the contrary, am surprised that there is at least some minimal objectivity.

[veksha50]

Quote: Gormengast

The World Bank is not interested in "sanctions"; if you don't, it means you are a shit and a coprophagous

Hmm ... But the reality of life suggests otherwise ...

The IMF has long been turned into a machine for political pressure, which changes its laws to prostitute-management position is as it should pope-afroniggeru ...

[Gormenghast]

I think that Westerners "not watched"; the rating is some insignificant subdivision within the World Bank group; accordingly, there is no such control over it as over the allocation of loans (or their blocking, as the United States and Canada, which cooperated with Russia, maliciously arranged last year).

As for the IMF, I don’t understand what Russia is doing in it; we don’t take loans for a long time, but we pay our fees; unclear.

Nevertheless, the normal law of economic life is for TsAGI to get what is envisaged; Ukraine delivered in full and on time "Bastions"(and paid for the gas); France passed the Mistral to the buyer. Otherwise, it's a mess.

[veksha50]

"But then anti-Russian sanctions were introduced, as a result of which the partners did not come to assemble and adjust the supplied equipment" ...

Hmm ... That's all - business, not politics ... Money has been paid, there is a contract, but one of the parties it was allegedly not respected under the pressure of politicians ...

Then the question is - why OUR firms continue to carry out supply contracts to the American NASA, Lockheed, Boeing ??? Why won't the same GDP by a political decision "plug" the siphon of these supplies ??? Or again - money doesn't smell ???

[Bayonet]

Quote: veksha50

Then the question is - why OUR firms continue to carry out supply contracts to the American NASA, Lockheed, Boeing ??? Why won't the same GDP by a political decision "plug" the siphon of these supplies ???

And when the workers of our enterprises are left without a salary, who will pay - Putin or you, dear George? Money from the sky does not fall!

[AFG-X]

Since Russia decided to pursue an independent policy, it was necessary to attend to technical and technological independence, at least in the military sphere.

[31rus]

Dear, there was a lot of controversy about the article that was open (factories, workshops, production) in 2015, here is your answer, I don’t want to believe, but the facts, in my opinion, the Americans, by introducing targeted sanctions, achieve their goal and exactly where we have. " weakly ", my opinion is that Teft plays" the first violin ", you do not need to look beyond secrets, you need to know where to hit, not strongly, but sensitively, that's why sanctions are introduced in the sector that is now the" weakest "and more dependent on external factors for various reasons, in statements that this will not affect Russia as it is, raise doubts

[Governor]

Putin is a man of half measure. Not a single strong-willed decision for 15 years. It was put up by the Lake cooperative and does not need to wait for revelations.

[Zomanus]

I think we’ll agree. If we are only talking about assembly and commissioning,
then you can unofficially do everything. It’s already becoming clear to the whole world
that the war of sanctions leads to losses not only with us.
And the losses of those who imposed sanctions will soon become almost more.