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Shoigu: the process of donating C-300 to Kazakhstan is completed

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The contract for the donation of the C-300 complexes to Kazakhstan is completed, RIA News The message of the Minister of Defense Sergey Shoigu.


Shoigu: the process of donating C-300 to Kazakhstan is completed


“We have completed a project on the donation of the C-300 ZRS to Kazakhstan. Taking into account the fact that this is a significant, if not the main contribution to the Unified Air Defense System, which, one can say, has already taken place, and today we can talk about its practical saturation ”,
The minister said at a meeting with his Kazakh counterpart Imangali Tasmagambetov.

“The transfer of these air defense systems is all the more relevant in today's conditions, when different types of threats can be observed almost every day near the borders of Kazakhstan,” Shoigu said. “From different directions of the region and around the borders of the republic.”

In turn, Tasmagambetov thanked the Russian leadership for the transfer of the C-300 air defense system.
“This is a great support,” he said, noting that “the delivery was carried out as part of the development of the Unified Regional Air Defense System of the Russian Federation and Kazakhstan.”
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  1. polite people
    polite people 23 December 2015 16: 20
    11
    Everything is right, everything is on the case, the rear areas must be all closed.
    1. Temples
      Temples 23 December 2015 16: 27
      24
      Yes, what difference does it pay us or free of charge?
      Neither cold nor hot.
      Could not place Russian units in Kazakhstan?
      If there is a flaw in such a transmission - transmit it.
      Why talk about gratuitousness if you cannot do otherwise ???

      Or should safety be measured in rubles or tugriks?

      The main thing is that in the future this program would not get us sideways.
      That’s what the minister thinks about.
      The Warsaw Pact was also created for centuries. For free!

      democracy - who will be at the helm in 6 years, hell knows.
      1. fif21
        fif21 23 December 2015 16: 32
        19 th
        Quote: Temples
        Yes, what difference does it pay us or free of charge?
        You're a fool? For the spaceport we pay in foreign currency! Are these nomads free? In the fool.
        1. Temples
          Temples 23 December 2015 16: 40
          +4
          You're a fool? For the spaceport we pay in foreign currency! Are these nomads free? In the fool.

          You yourself are a pike perch!
          1. Vladimir 1964
            Vladimir 1964 23 December 2015 21: 37
            +2
            Quote: Temples
            You yourself are a pike perch!

            Temples, namesake, the comment is certainly not successful, but nevertheless, well, it seems to me it has a right to exist. Or will we really become a mouthpiece! I disagree with the author of the comment, but excuse me, colleague, I do not agree with his "strangulation" either. hi
        2. Kanatbek
          Kanatbek 23 December 2015 17: 27
          +5
          Pff! Passed along with the control of airspace!
          1. Eugene-Eugene
            Eugene-Eugene 23 December 2015 17: 31
            +3
            That's it. First united because the air defense system. Well, to be more precise, the Kazakhstan segment of a single air defense system is being re-created. Little remains of the Soviet legacy.
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      3. Lukich
        Lukich 23 December 2015 16: 46
        +5
        Quote: Temples
        That’s what the minister thinks about.

        so not the minister thinks about it. he is only a writer
        1. Temples
          Temples 23 December 2015 17: 17
          -5
          It would be good for the minister to think.
          And let the subordinates do it.
          Although in our government, thinking is probably not fashionable.
          1. Lukich
            Lukich 23 December 2015 17: 32
            +4
            Quote: Temples
            It would be good for the minister to think.

            the Supreme ordered him to transfer. he himself does not have such powers
      4. kapitan92
        kapitan92 23 December 2015 17: 08
        10
        Yes, what difference does it pay us or free of charge?
        I think there is a difference! We have a "big" budget for everyone!
        Since 2000, more than 100 billion dollars have been written off (forgiven) to all "friends" in aggregate.
        Recall the perestroika years, who first started selling the MIG 29, SU 27, air defense systems to Westerners and states:
        Moldova, Ukraine and even Belarus were noted.
        Maybe Kazakhstan reduced the cost of renting Baikonur to us or provided other preferences in trade?
        The article does not say who will service these complexes ours or Kazakhs?
        Of course we are all for the "friendship of peoples", but why only at the expense of Russia !?
        1. Eugene-Eugene
          Eugene-Eugene 23 December 2015 17: 27
          +1
          It all depends on the approach. If we consider North Eurasia as a single space, then we need to strengthen our allies. And if you see in everyone a potential enemy or a traitor, then you need to act like the Americans - to destroy everything from your neighbors and thrive on their ruins.
        2. Bath
          Bath 23 December 2015 18: 05
          +4
          I remember how in the 90s the Russians drove our eastern brothers from Central Asia what to say sensible fit
        3. Alibekulu
          Alibekulu 23 December 2015 19: 06
          17
          Quote: kapitan92
          Maybe Kazakhstan reduced the cost of renting Baikonur to us or provided other preferences in trade?
          Google to the rescue. On many points, the leadership of the Republic of Kazakhstan is going to meet the authorities of the Russian Federation. And the "gratuitous" transfer of the S-300 should be viewed as a response from the Kremlin in gratitude to Ak-Orda. Those. this is Putin's "curtsey" to Nazarbayev.
          The same situation around Kazakhstani uranium is textbook. Kazakh users have already written about this many times. Those. when the Russian Federation had problems with uranium reserves, Kazakhstan fundamentally went to meet Russia and tore up existing contracts with foreign companies and renegotiated them with Rosatom for obviously less money..
          If you messed up somewhere, correct .. hi
          And you can throw a lot of such examples ..
      5. Eugene-Eugene
        Eugene-Eugene 23 December 2015 17: 23
        +3
        who will be at the helm in 6 years, hell knows

        I can not agree. This reminds me of unfounded male doubts about marriage: 20 is living with his wife for years and constantly expecting a divorce due to the fact that the previous spouse turned out to be a walking woman laughing
      6. Kanatbek
        Kanatbek 23 December 2015 17: 26
        12
        ! Brotherly people passed!
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      7. Lukich
        Lukich 23 December 2015 17: 43
        +5
        Quote: Temples
        If there is a flaw in such a transmission - transmit it.

        Shoigu emphasized that the transfer of the S-300 is now particularly relevant, since there are various threats from “different directions of the region and around the borders” of Kazakhstan. The head of the military department of Kazakhstan thanked Russia for the free transfer of the S-300, noting that this step was "great support."

        The transfer of the five S-300PS systems to Kazakhstan ended in the summer of 2015, after which the completed units took up combat duty. S-300PS for Kazakhstan was transferred from the Russian air defense units, re-equipped with the latest S-400 air defense systems and upgraded versions of the S-300PM.
        https://news.mail.ru/politics/24365597/?frommail=1
    2. Sauron80
      Sauron80 23 December 2015 16: 29
      11
      It seems that they have already stepped on this rake with gratuitous help to the "fraternal countries and peoples" during the Soviet era, was it not enough?
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 23 December 2015 16: 37
        10
        Quote: Sauron80
        It seems that they have already stepped on this rake with gratuitous help to the "fraternal countries and peoples" during the Soviet era, was it not enough?

        We are now actively rearming. The S-300 is replaced by the S-400. And why not free complexes to send to a friendly country? Moreover, they cover our southern border.
        1. Temples
          Temples 23 December 2015 16: 44
          -1
          And why not free complexes to send to a friendly country?

          Friendly country ???
          The country that was formed on part of the territory of Russia?
          What is the friendliness of this country ???
          In the thousands of Russians who had to leave after the formation of this country?
          In payment to the Kazakhs for the rental of OUR spaceport built by US in OUR territory?

          “What are you, son of a bitch, an impostor, squandering state lands ?! So you can’t save any volosts! "
          Ivan Vasilievich

          This is a quote from "rulers" and "friendly" countries.

          There are only interests, no friendship.
          No illusions needed.
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 23 December 2015 16: 46
            +6
            Quote: Temples
            What is the friendliness of this country ???

            You tell this to those children and their mothers whom Kazakhstan received during the Second World War.
            1. Temples
              Temples 23 December 2015 16: 54
              -2
              Kazakhstan accepted ????
              I read it in a book ???

              The "Republic" was approved in 36.
              Russia during the Soviet era did not stop cutting.
              Stalin unfortunately did not have time to eliminate all the revolutionaries.

              These revolutionaries nevertheless sawed the country into 91.

              Now there are many "friendly" countries.

              Rejoice. And do not forget to jump! And who does not ride ...
              1. SRC P-15
                SRC P-15 23 December 2015 17: 13
                11
                Quote: Temples
                Kazakhstan accepted ????
                I read it in a book ???

                Here, check out this is only part:
                "According to the data of the evacuation department under the Council of People's Commissars of the Kazakh SSR, on October 2, 1941, 65 691 evacuees arrived in the republic from the front line, Leningrad and Moscow, including 11 931 men, 28 213 women and 25 547 children. All of them were placed in various regions of the republic: in Western Kazakhstan (Guryev, West Kazakhstan, Aktobe regions) - 14 257 people, in South Kazakhstan (Dzhambul, Kyzyl-Orda, South Kazakhstan, Alma-Ata) - 13 728, in Central Kazakhstan (Karaganda) - 1 105, in Northern Kazakhstan (Akmola, Kostanay, Pavlodar, North Kazakhstan) - 22 524, in East Kazakhstan (Semipalatinsk, East Kazakhstan) - 11 443, in Alma-Ata - 2 634 [4].

                In general, from August 1941 to January 1942. 386 evacuees arrived [492]. "
                http://e-history.kz/ru/contents/view/1656
                1. Temples
                  Temples 23 December 2015 17: 21
                  -3
                  Kazakhstan was the territory of the USSR.
                  And he accepted all who were ordered.
                  And which bastard could refuse ???????
                  If you pick up a map of the Russian Empire, you will see that there is no Kazakh SSR, and there are territories on which people were evacuated.
                  Miracle! Truth?
                  And a hundred years have not passed since then.
                  1. SRC P-15
                    SRC P-15 23 December 2015 17: 30
                    +4
                    Quote: Temples
                    Kazakhstan accepted ????
                    I read it in a book ???

                    - When you are poked with a face on a table, you give out this:
                    Quote: Temples
                    Kazakhstan was the territory of the USSR.

                    So accepted or not accepted? The question was about that.
                    1. Temples
                      Temples 23 December 2015 17: 38
                      -4
                      Kazakhstan did not accept.
                      There was no such country.

                      I repeat - Kazakhstan did not exist either under the USSR or under the Russian Empire.

                      So I could not accept anything or anyone before 1991.
                      1. kosta_cs
                        kosta_cs 23 December 2015 18: 17
                        12
                        So until the year 91 there was no Russia, but there was one USSR - this is based on your logic.
                        Quote: Temples
                        In payment to the Kazakhs for the rental of OUR spaceport built by US in OUR territory?

                        Please remember, during the USSR, Soviet people were also built on Soviet territory.
                        And not at all citizens of the Russian Federation and on the territory of the Russian Federation.
                        Although the sense of talking to you ....
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                2. arnulla
                  arnulla 23 December 2015 22: 09
                  +2
                  Wake up - the Russian Empire is long gone. Stop raving
                3. Che Guevara
                  Che Guevara 24 December 2015 07: 35
                  +2
                  HAMOV
                  Well, you’re like in a joke about the Chukchi, who is talking to the commander in the tank and in the headset - “listen to the kamander, I’m sitting fuyuy hat talking”.
                  As a person who has lived in Kazakhstan for more than 50 years, I tell you there are no more tolerant and hospitable Kazakhs in the CIS. And in history I will tell you that in addition to the history of Karamzin (Tatar by the way), other sources must be read, at least Gumilyov.
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        2. Lukich
          Lukich 23 December 2015 16: 53
          10
          Quote: Temples
          Friendly country ???

          Yes
          Quote: Temples
          The country that was formed on part of the territory of Russia?

          which part?
          Quote: Temples
          What is the friendliness of this country ???

          in centuries-old friendship. with the advent of the new leadership, rhetoric towards Russia has changed dramatically
          Quote: Temples
          In the thousands of Russians who had to leave after the formation of this country?

          it was with a different guide. and ruined the country is not Kazakh

          Quote: Temples
          In payment to the Kazakhs for renting OUR spaceport built in OUR territory?

          were we just building a spaceport? and why the object located in Kazakhstan and recognized by our leadership became ours?
          1. Temples
            Temples 23 December 2015 16: 59
            10 th
            Do you have any problems with history?
            It happens.
        3. Kanatbek
          Kanatbek 23 December 2015 17: 28
          +8
          American troll!
          1. Rostov
            Rostov 23 December 2015 20: 51
            +2
            Quote: Temples
            It happens

            Have you previously written under the name Vladimir Vasilenko here in VO?
      2. Ze Kot
        Ze Kot 24 December 2015 10: 22
        0
        Quote: SRC P-15
        Quote: Sauron80
        It seems that they have already stepped on this rake with gratuitous help to the "fraternal countries and peoples" during the Soviet era, was it not enough?

        We are now actively rearming. The S-300 is replaced by the S-400. And why not free complexes to send to a friendly country? Moreover, they cover our southern border.



        Moreover, this is the "PS" version. And already in the late 90s they were not used everywhere in Russia ...
    3. aksakal
      aksakal 23 December 2015 16: 47
      +9
      Quote: Sauron80
      It seems that they have already stepped on this rake with gratuitous help to the "fraternal countries and peoples" during the Soviet era, was it not enough?
      - Have you tried to think of a head? here it is essentially about the sky of Russia. Because the air defense zone is planned to be unified with the Russian one, that is, they will command this zone from a single center, most likely from the Russian headquarters, in fact, these are Russian complexes moved outside the territory of the Russian Federation - Kazakhstan owns these complexes only formally and in formulations. What is the use of this possession, if we shoot down, say, a Chinese or Amer plane that flies into Kazakhstan, we can, and we cannot, because of the lack of a corresponding command from a single center, plane of any friendly Russian state? As a matter of fact, there is no transfer to the ownership of Kazakhstan, in fact there is a single air defense zone that Russia owns, because it has the keys to managing this system. Although, when this system becomes obsolete, it will really remain in Kazakhstan’s real possession))), because it is less profitable to bring outdated equipment to Russia for disposal. So do not be very upset, as a matter of fact, Russian air defense bases are located in Kazakhstan (and rabid grandmas pay for the deployment of bases all over the world). Are you still upset? wassat Well, I don’t know how to help you here already .... request wassat Well, try to drink or take some medicine, cyanides are very soothing, warm)))
      1. kamil_tt
        kamil_tt 23 December 2015 17: 47
        +7
        Yes, he is shell-shocked, and offended by the whole world, everyone is trying to find new enemies, as if his
  2. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 23 December 2015 16: 47
    15
    If you don't be an idiot, it is clear that the Kazakhs do not need these missiles while they are in the CSTO. Nobody cares about them - the goal is Russia, because if Russia does not become then all of Asia will be taken with their bare hands, as they are now taking the "states" in the Balkans. Therefore, under the guise of a gift in Kazakhstan, there is a mutually beneficial free deployment of forces to protect Russia. Shoigu is great. I always said - these Russian are not the one who is Slav, but the one who is for Russia
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 23 December 2015 16: 57
      +7
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      Therefore, under the guise of a gift, a mutually beneficial free deployment of forces to protect Russia is taking place in Kazakhstan.
      - good in fact, I said this above, however, with not very necessary additions, angry at the maxim of the gentleman to whom I answered.
  3. Eugene-Eugene
    Eugene-Eugene 23 December 2015 17: 19
    +1
    polite people, in vain you took a moder's avatar, wait for a ban laughing
  • vadimtt
    vadimtt 23 December 2015 16: 21
    +4
    Export or our troops?
    And who will sit at the posts?
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 23 December 2015 16: 38
      +1
      Quote: vadimtt
      And who will sit at the posts?

      And who was in Vietnam, in Cuba, in Egypt? Here they will be ... I don’t think that the S-300 would be handed over to the Kazakhs without reliable controllers over where to shoot and where not. And then suddenly inadvertently back in Kazakhstan, our plane will fly a couple of kilometers ... They will begin to defend their airspace ...

      Allies are certainly good. Only I still remember practically the seizure of Leninsk by the Kazakhs. And we still pay some "lease of Baikonur". What does sovereign Kazakhstan have to do with Leninsk, Tyuratam, or at least one of the sites?

      The Turks explained more popularly nowhere how to choose allies ....
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 23 December 2015 16: 53
        +5
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Here they will be ... I don’t think that the S-300 would be handed over to the Kazakhs without reliable controllers over where to shoot and where not. And then suddenly, inadvertently, even in Kazakhstan, our plane will fly a couple of kilometers ... They will begin to defend their airspace
        - In Kazakhstan there are specialists in these complexes, do not worry. These complexes were in service with the Republic of Kazakhstan and before the collapse, there is operational experience. Plus, this complex was used in combat shooting before the collapse only here in Sary-Shagan, many specialists of this training ground (moreover, combat operators who know this complex in combat use) became military personnel of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
      2. Kanatbek
        Kanatbek 23 December 2015 17: 29
        +7
        Have you ever been to Kazakhstan? Do you say that to a loan?
    2. Kasym
      Kasym 23 December 2015 16: 41
      +7
      For the joint air defense system, will export be put up? These S-300s removed from combat duty in the Russian Federation are being replaced by new ones (S-400). Even with EBN they said that they were needed. But he ignored, and as soon as they agreed on a joint air defense it turned out that it was necessary.
      We are glad and have been waiting for a long time. But in order to put on combat duty, the first transferred systems had to be modernized. So it still takes time to achieve the task of covering the air defense region.
      At the joint CSTO air defense exercises, ours showed that they can only press buttons. A couple of years ago, only Russians and we were with the launches of the S-300. hi
      1. Alexei
        Alexei 23 December 2015 16: 57
        +3
        Quote: Kasym
        We are glad and have been waiting for a long time.

        This is all great, but are you sure that it will not work out with Kazakhstan as with Ukraine? Of course, I have no doubt in Nazarbayev, he contributed to the formation of the TS. But it is not eternal, and the political moods among the Kazakhs are also different as they once did in Ukraine, GGG is a handsome man, I respect him and your idolize him, but what if Ukraine? I just do not know what percentage you have for "together with Russia" and "exclusive Kazakhstan has its own way"? I just don't know.
        1. Yereke
          Yereke 23 December 2015 17: 17
          +4
          yes it can happen as with Ukraine if you yourself don’t close your fascists like the Temples here .. don’t touch us don’t look at your little brother and everything will be ok if there is no chauvinism.
        2. Kasym
          Kasym 23 December 2015 17: 56
          18
          If you look through my comments, you will understand. But in short. Compared to Kiev, we have:
          1. Assembly of the Peoples of Kazakhstan. Go to the website of this public organization. 9 seats in parliament, two seats in the Russian and Kazakh parts of society. The remaining 7 seats for other diasporas in Kazakhstan will change in two years (i.e., any diaspora will be represented in parliament). ANC monitors and ratifies adopted laws, as well as participating in
          this one. For instance. Any organizations and parties on ethnic, rel., National. featured. Those. such as the Right Sector is not, those more in parliament.
          2. NAS is the sole president, not 5 in Ukraine.
          3. Russian is spelled out in the constitution, about 50% (25% of the population by number) of schools are Russian. There are two departments in universities: Russian and Kazakh. But the government promotes 3 languages ​​(any foreign language).
          4. The EAEU and the CSTO.
          5. The receiver will be a protege of the National Academy of Sciences, and he will not allow to destroy what he himself created. It would be foolish to put such a receiver - do you agree !?
          6. The economy. The rise from $ 700 to 13,5 thousand of GDP per capita over 25 years + the call for integration (EAEU) are the keys to the presidential election for all this time. 80-90% in the election. You have GDP, but we have NAS.
          7. All disputes in the northern territories have been practically resolved by the creation of the EAEU.
          8. For Russia on the issues of Kiev, Syria, Turkey - as in the presidential election in Kazakhstan.
          9. Bases (military) of third countries (except for 7 objects of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation there are no others) without the consent of the CSTO and SCO are prohibited by law.
          Etc..
          In the country, 88 schools teach in Uyghur, Uzbek, Ukrainian and Tajik. For Kazakhstan (there is only such a number of schools that in 4-5 cities out of 19 large) - this is very decent. There are unique (one-of-a-kind) in the CIS German, Uyghur and Korean National Theaters (Russian and Kazakh troupes can be found everywhere, for example, in Chimkent the Theater in the square, in the city center, was given to the Russian Dram. The theater - and this is the south of Kazakhstan) .
          If Kiev is already running the third gas. war, then the RK, on ​​the contrary, increased transit, building the CPC oil pipelines to the PRC, and gas pipelines from Central Asia to the PRC. For our joint work, we deservedly have one place in the composition of Gazprom directors - we have never played with valves. Well, a bunch of joint companies both in Kazakhstan and in the Russian Federation will discourage any politician from the desire to conflict. Well, take the same nuclear industry of the Republic of Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation (they are Siamese twins).
          And it’s not in our joint TRADITIONS to take out the dirty linen in public. Have you ever heard scandals between our leaders? I personally do not recall such. Old Man can still, but ours ... I haven’t heard something.
          You are about the weightlifter Ilyin leaf through! He is a STAR of no smaller scale! And Gene is YES !!! We just fan from these TWO HEROES !!! hi
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 23 December 2015 22: 40
            +3
            Quote: Kasym
            He is a STAR of no smaller scale! And Gene is YES !!! We just fan from these TWO HEROES !!!

            - Ilyin and Golovkin - yes, of course, but Vinokurov is still adored and respected, although he has already left the sport. Recently flew with him in the same plane, but still do not give access, photos, autographs and selfies with him - poor thing, it became a pity for him))))
    3. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 23 December 2015 16: 42
      +6
      The regiments received the S-400, and the released S-300 were patched up-shamanized and handed over to the Allies. I believe that this is very sensible.
  • Pancho
    Pancho 23 December 2015 16: 21
    +9
    In the good hour, Kazakhs do not mind.
  • Juborg
    Juborg 23 December 2015 16: 23
    11
    Who would give Russia free of charge ?! I think the leader of all Kazakhstan will die and the partnership will end, there are a lot of examples in the post-Soviet space.
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 23 December 2015 16: 24
      -5
      When he dies, there will be a sickly mess.
      1. guard
        guard 23 December 2015 17: 35
        +7
        Pereira RU Today, 16:24 ↑
        When he dies, there will be a sickly mess.

        Tipun to you, huge, in the throat!
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    3. Vladimyrych
      Vladimyrych 23 December 2015 16: 30
      -3
      Quote: juborg
      the leader of all Kazakhstan will die and the partnership will end

      I will tell you more. The Leader himself and his henchmen are slowly breaking up the partnership. When the Leader rests in the Bose, everything will be done. It remains to record.
      1. Kanatbek
        Kanatbek 23 December 2015 17: 32
        +7
        Fuuu, how many different gouging ...
        Tired of arguing with you - take it back!
        We will purchase English systems!
        1. kamil_tt
          kamil_tt 26 December 2015 14: 33
          0
          then they will sing about the Kazakh fascists, and the country 404
    4. asadov
      asadov 23 December 2015 16: 33
      -2
      I agree. So current we can. Maybe the Kazakhs also give us a couple of hundred thousand cattle for free? We will military them they will help us food?
      1. guard
        guard 23 December 2015 17: 03
        +9
        asadov EU Today, 16:33 ↑
        I agree. So current we can. Maybe the Kazakhs also give us a couple of hundred thousand cattle for free? We will military them they will help us food?

        Do not worry, we will not let you starve to death! It will be necessary to cover your capital, according to Panfilovsky, as during the Second World War!
    5. fif21
      fif21 23 December 2015 16: 33
      -9
      Quote: juborg
      Who would give Russia free of charge ?!
      Pay shaigu de de ish from your pocket.
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    7. Kanatbek
      Kanatbek 23 December 2015 17: 30
      +5
      The friendship of peoples has not been canceled!
  • Pereira
    Pereira 23 December 2015 16: 23
    -9
    From whom to shoot back to Kazakhstan? From the Uzbeks?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 December 2015 16: 27
      +1
      From Shaitan Gorynycha to Afghanistan.
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 23 December 2015 16: 29
        -2
        They have already delivered aviation to the Americans?
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 23 December 2015 16: 47
          +3
          And who should we shoot from in the North? From polar bears? It can fly from any direction. And it will not be Americans ...
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 23 December 2015 16: 57
          0
          What was she to supply her there, but the question is - in whose hands she will be tomorrow?
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      3. Kasym
        Kasym 23 December 2015 17: 11
        +6
        Democratists have not left Afghanistan yet.
        And the same Uzbeks, who took out the American base after Andijan, were stocked up with Chinese analogues of the S-300. Now figure it out. They can declare Astana an "axis of evil" even now. Although the "villains" do not refuse nuclear weapons, and the IAEA is not invited to monitor nuclear components, and do not create a world bank of nuclear fuel with spent storage facilities. The same democratizers bought them with pleasure. But nevertheless, we have vast borders and the 9th largest territory in the world, where 52 elements of the periodic table are mined - such a good carrot, taking into account the good gold reserves (which are so fond of freezing democratizers from "villains"). hi
        In fact, the Russian Federation promised us to sell the S-400 in the first place, but apparently China and the Americans have more serious problems on the islands. We looked closely at the middle and near range (here it seems to me that they are waiting for the S-350). Judging by the fact that they took and received from novya (Su-30SM and S-300), the priority is for air defense and air force. Will watch. hi
        And we are waiting for the customary MiG-31s ​​under NG (for three or four years on New Year’s it has been reported that they arrived from the repair of 3 MiG-31s). Or do we think that 9-12 MiG-31 will be enough once the S-300 arrived ?! We had it before deliveries of S-300 was considered as one of the main components of air defense.
        1. Che Guevara
          Che Guevara 24 December 2015 07: 53
          +2
          Kasym
          Here they are just stupidly trolling, I think I should spit on it like Bender's "saliva". Smart people have long understood and support a unified air defense (how many kilometers will the Republic of Kazakhstan cover the borders of the Russian Federation? How much will the maintenance and operation of the budget of the Republic of Kazakhstan cost?), But those who think otherwise obviously consider Shoigu, as it were, mildly, not a smart person.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 24 December 2015 08: 14
            +1
            Che Guevara. Good day! Here it seems to me that the matter is different. Where did they get the infarmation about us? Our TV is not played there, there are no newspapers, they do not want to search the Internet. Therefore, they feed more on rumors, especially since so many people moved out during the collapse, which only strengthened the stereotypes. hi
  • VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 23 December 2015 16: 27
    +6
    Someone is gratuitous, but the priest is covered for us!
  • seti
    seti 23 December 2015 16: 31
    +2
    Quote: Pancho
    In the good hour, Kazakhs do not mind.

    How to say. I still think that they donated not for free but for political concessions. It was not in vain the other day that the Collective Security Treaty Organization was gathered where they all condemned Turkey and adopted a number of important issues and agreed on a common strategy and position. And Kazakhstan is financially rich enough neighbor to pay for this system. If you give Kazakhstan so, then they will ask for everything else - Belarus, Kyrgyzstan, Armenia .. But you refuse to look askance. So it’s logical. We need to support ourselves, all the more C-300 is in steady demand in the arms market and there is a great choice to sell them. Yes, the time is not easy and you can help with weapons as well, so that later they will not be directed against you. Times are changing and Nazarbayev is not eternal.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 23 December 2015 17: 08
      +5
      Quote: seti
      I still think that they donated not for free but for political concessions.
      - my version is more correct, yours is not true. The issue of creating a single air defense zone and free transfer within this framework has been going on since the zero years, when all the current political difficulties in Russia did not smell and nothing portended either Ukraine, Crimea or Turkey. No need to pull over the ears that is unpretentious. As a matter of fact, these are Russian complexes taken out of the territory of the Russian Federation - Kazakhstan owns these complexes only formally and in formulations, because in the framework of a single air defense system, these complexes will be commanded in Russia, that is, Russia actually exercises ownership of these complexes. If I tell you that this iPhone is yours, you own it, but for the time being I will use this iPhone undividedly - only moral satisfaction will bring you such ownership, and this iPhone will bring me real benefits. In principle, this is a truly mutually beneficial deal - we and you are safe, and whose complexes are the tenth thing
    2. avt
      avt 23 December 2015 17: 12
      +2
      Quote: seti
      It was not for nothing that the other day they gathered the Collective Security Treaty Organization where all together condemned Turkey

      wassat Yah !? And the quotation can be “condemnation” by the leaders? Except for the Armenian, no one was particularly excited about the Turks. Again, in the final document, all the ethno “condemnation” were signed. Can you read out the quotation and the signers? lets go, but But Father in this regard, well, "condemnation" can you bring?
      1. seti
        seti 23 December 2015 17: 35
        +2
        I agree and I recall the words about the conviction. I reviewed a little and you are right - indeed, apart from Sargsyan, no one really said anything new.
      2. aksakal
        aksakal 23 December 2015 18: 04
        +3
        Quote: avt
        Yah !? A quote can be "condemnation" by the leaders?
        - You could not be banned in Google ... Therefore, this very Google to help you. A joint statement was received from ODBC condemning the misconduct of Turkey.
        1. avt
          avt 23 December 2015 18: 19
          +1
          Quote: aksakal
          . Therefore, this very Google to help you.

          Hello googel
          ] We, the heads of state of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, note with deep concern the multiply increased threat of terrorism to international peace, security and the sovereignty of states.

          We reiterate our strong condemnation of terrorism in all its forms and manifestations, we emphasize that no terrorist acts can be justified on ideological, religious, political, racial, ethnic or other grounds.
          We consider incompatible with the norms of morality, humanism and spirituality the mass killings of civilians by terrorists, the barbaric destruction of historical monuments, the desecration of religious shrines.
          Convinced of the need to consolidate the efforts of the entire world community for the effective fight against terrorism, we advocate the formation of a broad coalition based on the provisions of the UN Charter, the norms and principles of international law without politicization and preconditions. We urge all states to strictly comply with the requirements of the anti-terrorism resolutions of the Security Council and the UN General Assembly.
          We see as a priority the task of resolutely suppressing the activities of the ISIS terrorist group, which unleashed brutal bloodshed in many countries and poses a threat to all of humanity.
          We note the growth of security threats in Central Asia related to the increased activity of ISIS, the Taliban, Al-Qaida and other terrorist organizations in Afghanistan, which leads to a surge of tension on the southern borders of the CSTO, directly threatening the destabilization of the situation in its area of ​​responsibility .
          Three times I am here "Turkey", "plane" ,,, Su-24 "and in continuation below
          1. avt
            avt 23 December 2015 18: 20
            +1
            Well, something else that did not fit
            We believe that the further development of cooperation within the existing regional structures and the expansion of cooperation between states on the fight against terrorism both at the political level and at the level of special services, relevant ministries and departments will contribute to maintaining stability in the Eurasian space and in the world as a whole.
            We attach great importance to the further strengthening of comprehensive measures to counter the ideology of international terrorism and religious extremism. We are convinced that in order to strengthen civilian immunity to the spread of radical ideas, it is necessary to supplement the efforts of state competent authorities with the potential of public structures, the media and religious denominations.
            We are confident that a successful fight against terrorism cannot be conducted without reliable overlapping of its financing sources, as required by relevant resolutions of the UN Security Council and international standards of the Financial Action Task Force on the Development of Anti-Money Laundering (FATF). In this regard, we welcome the adoption by the UN Security Council of Resolution 2253 of December 17, 2015 on combating the financing of terrorism and its appeal to all states to take the necessary measures regarding ISIS, Al-Qaeda and other related individuals, groups and organizations. We reaffirm the responsibility of all states to make efforts aimed at identifying organizations, individuals and legal entities involved in economic relations with ISIS and other terrorist groups, and reliably blocking the channels of financial support for terrorism.
            We also share the commitment of the international community, reaffirmed by UN Security Council Resolution 2254 of December 18, 2015, to step up efforts in the fight against terrorism in the Syrian Arab Republic, while promoting a peaceful political settlement through negotiations between the Syrian government and a wide range of opposition.
            REGNUM
            Quote: aksakal
            . A joint statement was adopted from the ODBC condemning the misconduct of Turkey.

            wassat Probably I have some other googel - the word "Turkey" hates it.
        2. Kasym
          Kasym 23 December 2015 18: 22
          +4
          And in Russia24 they showed about a joint statement. Armenians had to talk more, because the base there is strengthened and deployed air defense with all the consequences. At a personal meeting with the GDP, the National Academy of Sciences said that whatever happens integration does not stop, the decision is right, etc. etc .. GDP only smiled and expressed support. hi
          1. avt
            avt 23 December 2015 19: 04
            +1
            Quote: Kasym
            . Armenians had to say more

            Well, this is understandable - from great "love" for the Turks, and in any form, including Azerbaijanis.
            Quote: Kasym
            because the base there is strengthened and deployed air defense with all the consequences.

            request Well, the air defense is in fact Russian, interspersed with personnel from local Armenians, again they are fighting off their interest in this way - Karabakh. Well, Armenia cannot alone have full-fledged Armed Forces - stupidly there will not be enough money even with the involvement of the Armenian Diaspora all over the world, so, having a desire to buy a house, but not having the opportunity, they go to such cooperation with Russia in order to protect themselves from the same Turkey, in the event of the continuation of the war in Karabakh, which they themselves did not recognize, and therefore at the beginning of hostilities in Karabakh, the CSTO does not apply, but they will help and so they cover Armenia itself. with Pan-Slavism turning into the "Russian World" - well, for some reason, he closed his eyes to the neo-Ottomanism of Pasha Erdogan, who wished to be the "mistress of the sea" of the "Sunni World" with the extension of the administrative form of government to him in the form of the Brilliant Port. Beautiful of course, but only in this to the scheme of pan-Turkism, the place is stupidly NO - only to neoosmans.
            1. avt
              avt 23 December 2015 19: 15
              +1
              Quote: Kasym
              .. GDP only smiled and expressed support.

              What did you want from him? Whatever, he either cried, then laughed, then bristled - like a hedgehog " laughing "He's not upbringing like that."
              Quote: Kasym
              . At a personal meeting with the GDP, the National Academy of Sciences said that whatever happens integration does not stop, the decision is right, etc. etc.

              Well, even somewhere from the backlog of the deceased "Yuzhmash", "Zenith" was found and shoved them quite successfully from the site of Baikonur. GDP keeps its word, but will the cartel agreement of the EAEU develop further ... No. I don’t know, I somehow don’t see any prospects. I already answered you as long ago as with Marek Rozna - they will not introduce a single currency in 2015 and did not introduce it, although the same Marek then wrote to me - they will introduce me, you will see laughing , because they didn’t agree, as I said then, on a single emission center - God forbid, there will be a conversion in national currencies, but the same Butska at the beginning of the sanctions requested a conversion in $. This is quite expected and predictable, as well as the absence of supranational structures even in the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), which give, for mandatory execution by national structures, orders. So we are still far from CMEA, not to mention EU structures. hi
            2. aksakal
              aksakal 23 December 2015 23: 04
              +4
              Quote: avt
              in order to protect themselves from the same Turkey in the event of the continuation of the war in Karabakh, which they themselves did not recognize, and therefore at the beginning of hostilities in Karabakh, the CSTO does not apply, but they will help and so they cover Armenia itself. , as at one time Russia with Pan-Slavism turning into the "Russian World" - well, for some reason, he closed his eyes to the neo-Ottomanism of Pasha Erdogan, who wished to be the "mistress of the sea" of the "Sunni World"

              - with pan-Turkism, as well as with pan-Slavism - it was, but life realities show that the common roots and generally interethnic kinship in such matters as associations and unions play an insignificant role. How do you, Russians, have a good neighbor better than a distant relative? Life confirms this. The geographical position, which affects long-term economic interests, the alignment of forces at the moment, affecting the political interests of the parties, are stimulants of cooperation much stronger than common roots, a common language, and generally related relations. The Republic of Kazakhstan has both a geography and affairs in such a way that it is also not interesting for us to somehow spoil relations with Russia, but we would not like to quarrel with Turkey itself because of the interests of Russia itself. We do not have any interests in Syria, Assad is nobody and we don’t know him ...
              I have already posted many times - Russia simply needs to carry out cultural expansion to nearby countries. Where are your universities? My children are growing up - I would like to send to Moscow ... But EXPENSIVELY! And the skinheads, damn them! Where is the branch of your MSTU, although for two courses in our country?
              To Turkey? Yes, easily! They will give a grant, a loan, and in general - they will simply teach for free! Only after graduating from a Turkish university will the children love Turkish serials and frown at Russian film production, when buying household appliances they will prefer "Beko", and in general they will prefer to deal with Turks in their work. For a minute, what if suddenly my child makes a career and enters the country's elite? There may well be a significant decrease in all cooperation, etc.
              Before blaming us here, look back at your policy. In your country, even in Tatarstan, the Turks managed to become leading investors and managed to have a good cultural expansion! Minnikhanov is extremely dissatisfied and does not even hide his displeasure - because of what an unfortunate bomber is here ... And in such cases, you still run into Kazakhstan. You don’t beat a finger on your own; you want all your friendship on a plate with a blue border to be presented to you only because you are Russia))))
  • Panabebis
    Panabebis 23 December 2015 16: 38
    -2
    Did they promise to close the sky to the Kazakhs with Triumph? The crisis ...
    1. Kanatbek
      Kanatbek 23 December 2015 17: 33
      +3
      how many trolls are there! Do you get all the money from America ???
    2. avt
      avt 23 December 2015 19: 30
      0
      Quote: Panaebis
      Did they promise to close the sky to the Kazakhs with Triumph? The crisis ...

      When we removed S-300 from duty to Kazakhstan, we still had new factories for the production of air defense systems in the form of construction sites, it was only Father Butsk that he knew and somewhere near Moscow S-300 complexes for himself and he was heroically straight from scrap metal I almost restored it to the garage. Although they, like the Kazakhs, were given what they could, it’s now easier, but here ykry fulfilled the USA’s will and had to import something, so that new complexes only for their VKS did, now it might be more fun.
  • vladimirw
    vladimirw 23 December 2015 16: 51
    0
    People’s money, then tossed to Turkey at nuclear power plants, then to Kazakhstan! The Warsaw Pact was for our money, and now all these countries are in NATO.
    1. fif21
      fif21 23 December 2015 17: 05
      -9
      Quote: vladimirw
      The Warsaw Pact was for our money, and now all these countries are in NATO.
      Yes, they tired of their generosity at the national expense, that Putin, that Shoigu. Wait (untranslatable pun) Shoigu- you think before you do it!
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 23 December 2015 17: 21
        +4
        fif21 do you think how much you personally lost from this money?

        I’m watching. You’ve calculated everything, would you kindly voice it.

        Are you upset that Putin and Shoigu are stopping you from becoming a millionaire by giving away a missile system or what?

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  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 23 December 2015 16: 52
    +2
    To cover Russia and Kazakhstan from any air attacks, it was decided to use not only military aviation and anti-aircraft weapons, but also elements of the Russian missile attack warning system. Including, a separate radio engineering center located in the Karaganda region, known as the "object" Balkhash-9 ".
    1. fif21
      fif21 23 December 2015 17: 08
      -9
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      To protect Russia and Kazakhstan from any attacks
      We pay for Baikonur! Let Nazarbayev pay for the safety of his F!
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  • GOGY
    GOGY 23 December 2015 16: 53
    -5
    We don’t feel sorry for anything ... security is security, but why again at our expense? What, do the Kazakhs have tenge dumb? And somehow slurred. How much did they give (brigade, division?), On what terms? Such articles only oppress negative
  • APASUS
    APASUS 23 December 2015 16: 54
    +1
    Honestly, it is time with the Kazakhs to form a common command of the troops, unify communication systems, standardize weapons, build logistics, bring the armed forces under one denominator. The hour is not equal to the "partners" from the south, their mother ............ ...
  • vadimtt
    vadimtt 23 December 2015 16: 59
    +1
    Quote: Kasym

    At the joint CSTO air defense exercises, ours showed that they can only press buttons.

    That was what interested me, then good luck!

    PS: I once saw the work of calculating the S-200 from the inside, art is something else. On the S-300, as I understand it, everything is already drawn in color on computer monitors, but under conditions of interference, the operation of air defense is still an art, automation is not enough, highly qualified motivated officers at the posts are needed.
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 23 December 2015 17: 01
    +3
    Everything is correctly done. These complexes will still serve faithfully, Kazakhstan is our reliable ally, and Russia is moving forward in the development of its defense shield. At the exit there is already the S-500, we are waiting for spring and presentation!
  • MIKHALYCH1
    MIKHALYCH1 23 December 2015 17: 10
    +1
    Well, use Kazakhstan and bring everything to hell ... Russia will support! hi
  • fif21
    fif21 23 December 2015 17: 10
    11 th
    And on these ........ we hope ??? It's time for them from Russia filthy broom.
  • Tartarine
    Tartarine 23 December 2015 17: 15
    +1
    The Soviets also fed the whole world. And how it all ended.
  • fif21
    fif21 23 December 2015 17: 24
    -8
    Read the news! Another thief from Moscow Oblast escaped landing on the Zekovsky stake! What are we talking about here? Putin and Shoigu are the main thieves in Russia.
  • Mig-31
    Mig-31 23 December 2015 17: 26
    +8
    Quote: Temples
    And why not free complexes to send to a friendly country?

    Friendly country ???
    The country that was formed on part of the territory of Russia?
    What is the friendliness of this country ???
    In the thousands of Russians who had to leave after the formation of this country?
    In payment to the Kazakhs for the rental of OUR spaceport built by US in OUR territory?

    “What are you, son of a bitch, an impostor, squandering state lands ?! So you can’t save any volosts! "
    Ivan Vasilievich

    This is a quote from "rulers" and "friendly" countries.

    There are only interests, no friendship.
    No illusions needed.

    We are three letters surrendered your friendship liberal heh ... ov! As long as in Russia there are such de..ma like you as a cleaver and others like them, there will be no complete trust in us from either the Russian side.
    Fortunately, you are a minority of liberals.
  • From Samara
    From Samara 23 December 2015 17: 26
    +1
    There is one threat, China. But the S-300 cannot be solved ...
  • Tusv
    Tusv 23 December 2015 17: 26
    +1
    I was dancing. Kazakhs will not have democracy - Anti-democrat on duty :)
  • KBR109
    KBR109 23 December 2015 17: 27
    0
    So far, this is justified. Such is it - friendship and alliance in international relations. The States also have friends solely because of some money. BUT: Nazar-bye is old. Not long to him already. But who will replace him? That is the question of the questions! Will Zhuzes stand on each other and on Russia ???
  • seti
    seti 23 December 2015 17: 32
    0
    Quote: aksakal
    Quote: seti
    I still think that they donated not for free but for political concessions.
    - my version is more correct, yours is not true. The issue of creating a single air defense zone and free transfer within this framework has been going on since the zero years, when all the current political difficulties in Russia did not smell and nothing portended either Ukraine, Crimea or Turkey. No need to pull over the ears that is unpretentious. As a matter of fact, these are Russian complexes taken out of the territory of the Russian Federation - Kazakhstan owns these complexes only formally and in formulations, because in the framework of a single air defense system, these complexes will be commanded in Russia, that is, Russia actually exercises ownership of these complexes. If I tell you that this iPhone is yours, you own it, but for the time being I will use this iPhone undividedly - only moral satisfaction will bring you such ownership, and this iPhone will bring me real benefits. In principle, this is a truly mutually beneficial deal - we and you are safe, and whose complexes are the tenth thing

    Do you want to show that these S-300 complexes will be controlled by our military? The article is not about this. On the contrary, it seems to me that "free of charge" is what it means. Although what to argue - it is better for the Kazakhs than anyone else.
  • anfil
    anfil 23 December 2015 17: 33
    +2
    Quote: fif21
    “This is a great support,” he said, noting that “the delivery was carried out as part of the development of the Unified Regional Air Defense System of the Russian Federation and Kazakhstan.”


    “This is a lot of support,” he said, noting that “the delivery was within the framework of the development of the Unified Regional Air Defense System of the Russian Federation and Kazakhstan. ”


    I have nothing to add, unified air defense is really bad.
  • ivanych
    ivanych 23 December 2015 17: 33
    +4
    ... I was born in Russia, my brother in Kazakhstan, lived in my time there and there. Now I live in Russia, half of my relatives are in Kazakhstan, and who is opposed to something here?
    1. kosta_cs
      kosta_cs 23 December 2015 19: 09
      +3
      Quote: ivanych
      brother in Kazakhstan, lived in their time there and there. Now I live in Russia, half of relatives in Kazakhstan

      Where do you have relatives in Kazakhstan ?! what
      Following the logic of such people as Khramov, Vasilenko and Mikhan, evil Kazakhs were polished to a goddamn grandmother in the 90s, and who didn’t cut them back then they fled to Russia where the mother gave birth to.
      Inconsistency however request
      laughing
      1. Rostov
        Rostov 23 December 2015 21: 10
        +2
        Quote: kosta_cs
        Following the logic of such as Temples, Vasilenko

        Something tells me it's the same character
  • Humpty
    Humpty 23 December 2015 17: 45
    0
    If near the borders of Kazakhstan there are threats almost daily against which the C 300 will protect, is it interesting to know whether or not the base in Kant is covered with air defense means, which is even closer to the threats than the border of Kazakhstan?
    And if it’s not very covered, but the threats are daily ...
  • Semurg
    Semurg 23 December 2015 19: 49
    +1
    the sky around Astana will protect our NAS, they will be covered with these c300 installations, well, they’ll probably be preparing for the Expo.
  • kvs207
    kvs207 23 December 2015 19: 59
    +3
    Quote: aksakal
    As a matter of fact, these are Russian complexes taken out of the territory of the Russian Federation - Kazakhstan owns these complexes only formally and in formulations, because in the framework of a single air defense system, these complexes will be commanded in Russia, that is, Russia actually exercises ownership of these complexes.

    Surprisingly, people do not understand this. On the part of Russia, this is a very correct decision - the removal of air defense systems outside its territory.
  • Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 23 December 2015 20: 01
    +2
    I read the headline in the news: "Russia gave S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems to Kazakhstan. " transferred for joint protection. For the first time, I probably fully agree with the Kazakhstani comments.
  • Zymran
    Zymran 23 December 2015 20: 53
    -7
    Yes, and most likely it is a decommissioned junk, which is either disposed of or shoved by ours.
  • demandy1
    demandy1 23 December 2015 21: 08
    -4
    The S-300 in Kazakhstan is like a red button in an anecdote about Russian fighters in the Vietnam War with the United States - as soon as a scribe arrives, the Vietnamese in horror presses the red button and a hairy hand immediately rests on his shoulder with the words: "Come on, move over quick-eyed, let my uncle play war games. "
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 24 December 2015 06: 46
      0
      We have had S-300s since the times of the USSR. But there were few complexes to cover such a territory, except that they could block Alma-Ata. hi
      And it is clear that there are frames. Moreover, the Russian Federation allocates places in its universities for our military.
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 24 December 2015 00: 34
    -1
    Obviously, the S-300 is no longer for sale, only for nothing. By the way, against the background of consistent state Russophobia of Nazarbayev, our kings make rather strange gifts.
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 24 December 2015 06: 52
      0
      And please name the facts of "state Russophobia", especially from Nazarbayev? Apparently you are deafening to the statements of VVP: "Nazarbayev is the engine of integration in the post-Soviet space." And how would he stand at the origins of the EAEU if he was a Russophobe? Something you have obviously beguiled! hi
  • ALEXXX1983
    ALEXXX1983 24 December 2015 01: 48
    +2
    In fact, this is a step along the earlier cover of the territory of Russia from an attack from this direction.
    I live in Saratov, and this is near the border with Kazakhstan. In dense to Saratov are: Engelsky airfield (Tu 95, Tu 160) and Tatishchevsky regiment Strategic Rocket Forces (Topol-M), and this, not counting millions of residents.
    So think - you need to cover it or not.
  • Mig-31
    Mig-31 24 December 2015 16: 01
    +3
    Quote: Kasym
    And please name the facts of "state Russophobia", especially from Nazarbayev? Apparently you are deafening to the statements of VVP: "Nazarbayev is the engine of integration in the post-Soviet space." And how would he stand at the origins of the EAEU if he was a Russophobe? Something you have obviously beguiled! hi

    Don’t pay attention brother, I’ve been observing for a topvar, for the majority of Russians or Caucasophobes or Central Asiatic for three years. In a stranger's eye they notice a speck and in their own eyes they do not see a log or do not want to notice it.