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MiG is developing a new interceptor

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MiG Corporation is developing a new interceptor aircraft, which over time should replace the MiG-31, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta With reference to the general director of the enterprise Sergey Korotkov.


MiG is developing a new interceptor
MiG-31

“The MiG-31 is very much in demand for solving the tasks of our country's air defense. But their production stopped a long time ago, and the functions assigned to the MiG-31 still need to be carried out, ”said Korotkov.

He emphasized that “the new aviation the complex, which will be replaced by the legendary interceptor, will be created on the basis of modern principles of the military aircraft industry and from new materials. ”

“We understand what it will be like a plane. Work is already underway to determine its appearance, ”the manager noted, adding that the development is carried out at the expense of the budget. On the timing of the creation of a new car Korotkov said nothing.

Meanwhile, the press service of the corporation said that at present "in the interests of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, a large-scale program of upgrading existing MiG-31 to version MiG-31BM" is being implemented.

“The plane is beautiful. He stepped forward a few decades to create it. The upgraded MiG-31 meets all modern requirements, and we have no right to take it to the background. The plane will fly. Pilots love it. The plane is reliable and it solves its tasks, ”the press service said the words of the Commander-in-Chief of the All-Union Confederation Championship, Viktor Bondarev.

Recall that in September, 2015 r turned 40 years from the date of the first flight of the MiG-31.
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Vitaliy Ankov / RIA Novosti www.ria.ru
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  1. cniza
    cniza 23 December 2015 14: 42
    40
    “We understand what it will be like a plane. Work is already underway to determine its appearance, ”the manager noted, adding that the development is carried out at the expense of the budget. On the timing of the creation of a new car Korotkov said nothing.


    Good luck, we have been waiting for something new from your corporation for a long time.
    1. vkl-47
      vkl-47 23 December 2015 14: 46
      20
      not a lot of time will pass from the idea to the model. as if by then a new interceptor would not have to be invented. although in the old days it always went around the competition for decades. Let me recall at least the instant 25 (RED FOX). We wish good luck and speedy success to aircraft designers
      1. _Vladislav_
        _Vladislav_ 23 December 2015 14: 52
        78
        Well, yes, throwing a MiG would not be necessary. As soon as the choice was made in favor of Sukhoi (PAK FA), they forgot about MiG.
        I believe that the MiG’s potential cannot be simply abandoned.
        You can create some kind of fighter using the capabilities inherent in the MiG MFI. To refine, improve.

        MiG needs to be competitive. MiG and Su - must compete, this will serve as a guarantee of progress.
        1. GDP
          GDP 23 December 2015 15: 37
          11
          Technologies have stepped forward a long time ago - new materials appeared - lighter and more durable, new ones - more powerful engines, new electronics, radars and suppression systems ...
          Everyone knows about the shortcomings of 31 for a long time, but things are still there ...

          PAK FA, (when the new engines are finalized) will be an excellent front-line fighter - but the interceptor is still something else. It was time, it was high time to start work on creating a new interceptor ...
          1. aktanir
            aktanir 23 December 2015 15: 43
            +9
            The article is tiny and about nothing. chatter about airplanes that we possibly yes, maybe no, see years through 10-15, or even later, since there is no specific information
            1. dyksi
              dyksi 23 December 2015 16: 13
              12
              This is an excerpt from Sergei Korotkov's huge interview with Vedomosti, where the conversation was about everything, both the new and the old, prospects, etc. Financing for the creation of the interceptor is financed by the state, R&D is underway, the image of the interceptor of the future is already available, but this work is naturally not two three years. There is information that Russia in 2016 will supply abroad up to one hundred fighters, half of which should be MiGs. In the interview, there is a hint that heavy and light vehicles will be divided into niches as in Soviet times, heavy "Rusks" and light (medium) MiGars, and this is basically true, the budget is not bottomless, but a lot of aircraft are needed. Therefore, the MiG-35 (for our Aerospace Forces) will be delivered without AFAR, over the CLU containers, for the Su-35 and MiG-35 work seems to be going on, but it is said in passing. In short, the T-50 and a promising interceptor (MiG-41) should be heaped up, the state has no money to heap up all the other machines, so the 4 ++ generation will be cool, but more restrained (at least the interview leads to similar reflections, although it is armed new RVV and bombs arrive, this already greatly increases the capabilities of fighters, the same Su-35 with KS-170, I can be mistaken, will be a formidable bird, with its radar and combat radius). http://www.vedomosti.ru/business/characters/2015/12/22/621989-mi-obezopasilis-ka
              tastroficheskih-posledstvii. Read interestingly.
              1. GDP
                GDP 23 December 2015 16: 46
                +3
                So it seems like it was planned to deliver 35 with the AFAR BEETLE or something has changed?
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 23 December 2015 17: 32
                  +6
                  Quote: GDP
                  So it seems like it was planned to deliver 35 with the AFAR BEETLE or something has changed?

                  MIG-35 were not going to buy for our VKS ... besides, MIG-35 is not an interceptor, but an average MFI.
                  1. GDP
                    GDP 24 December 2015 11: 02
                    0
                    No one said that moment 35 interceptor. It’s just that the first radar in Russia based on AFAR - ZHUK was developed precisely at the moment of 35.
                  2. Voyager
                    Voyager 24 December 2015 22: 06
                    0
                    Weren’t you going? As far as I remember, they were not going to take the one that has been flying on the MAX for years, but if I understand everything correctly there are still some developments on another MiG-35, which they can order in the future. I repeat this is only rumors from third parties, I could be wrong.
              2. Dewa1s
                Dewa1s 25 December 2015 06: 33
                0
                in some century, our military has learned to count money. It can not but rejoice
                1. clidon
                  clidon 25 December 2015 18: 05
                  0
                  Do not understand what has "learned to count money"?
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 23 December 2015 17: 30
            +6
            Quote: GDP
            Everyone knows about the shortcomings of 31 for a long time, but things are still there ...

            Excuse me, but do you think that creating a new interceptor capable of accelerating to 5 max is so easy? It's just a hyper speed for a minute. And you still need a new radar, an arsenal and avionics ...
            1. GDP
              GDP 24 December 2015 11: 07
              +2
              The fact of the matter is that the creation of new technology takes a long time. Therefore, it was necessary to start yesterday.
              31 is already outdated, but there is nothing to replace it yet. And for Russia, this is an ideal aircraft - it allows you to control vast spaces, because we can’t cover the whole sky with 400 complexes, especially north and east, only 31 can do this task, and the materials, radar, engines and electronics on them - of the past centuries ...

              I am poorly versed in this matter, but if it were possible to unify part of the nodes of the new interceptor with part of the developments for the PAK FA, then it would certainly reduce the development time and its cost ...

              although of course there are significant differences, for example, stealth and maneuverability for the interceptor are not so important in my opinion, but the speed and range of detection and destruction of targets on the contrary are more relevant ....
            2. Lucy
              Lucy 24 December 2015 11: 25
              +1
              .... accelerating to 5 max is so easy ....
              This is not possible for a serial interceptor!
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 24 December 2015 12: 01
                +2
                Quote: lusya
                This is not possible for a serial interceptor!

                Very soon it will become a reality ... hi
                1. Lucy
                  Lucy 24 December 2015 15: 10
                  +1
                  Hooray comrades! lol
                2. Voyager
                  Voyager 24 December 2015 22: 07
                  0
                  It would be awesome, but what kind of engines, what kind of coating should there be to withstand such loads?
              2. Warrior of Russia
                Warrior of Russia 24 December 2015 19: 48
                0
                In technology, as a rule, the impossible becomes real! It is possible and will be so!
        2. doework
          doework 23 December 2015 15: 55
          +2
          Nobody "threw" the MIG. MIGs and SUs work in different niches .. just at once an impoverished and plundered country will not pull many high-class design bureaus and projects, if at all - it will pull something. Indeed, in the 90s and 2000s, nothing new has been drawn anywhere ... but now, as it turned out, we still need to do - the PAK FA, and ICBMs, and air defense, and tanks, and small arms, and the Navy, and The Arctic ... the Russian budget will not be enough for everyone!
          1. BLACK-SHARK-64
            BLACK-SHARK-64 24 December 2015 10: 38
            +3
            DESTROY A COUPLE OF OLIGARCHS AND THERE ARE YOU FINANCE DEFENSE ... am
          2. pilot bin-bom
            pilot bin-bom 25 December 2015 02: 00
            0
            I agree. Once, in between working with the Lytkarinsky "Saturn" on the engine for the SU-27, I visited the "Red October". There was one interesting topic on the actuated seals of the gas turbine engine for the MIG. Unfortunately, it didn’t grow together - not because the Belarusians could not do it, but because of others. including political reasons - then they just began to divide the empire.
        3. Butchcassidy
          Butchcassidy 23 December 2015 16: 04
          +2
          I do not agree that they are competitors, rather different classes: Su - heavy, MiG - light. And each of them is in demand, each has its own target niche and customers.

          The same Su for many countries is redundant and too expensive, and a lighter modern MiG could fully satisfy both domestic demand and export.
          1. ferdiperdozzz
            ferdiperdozzz 23 December 2015 17: 25
            +2
            Quote: ButchCassidy
            MiG is light.

            Light Mig-29, and 25 / 31 - in general about another.
          2. BLACK-SHARK-64
            BLACK-SHARK-64 24 December 2015 10: 40
            0
            DESTROY A COUPLE OF OLIGARCHS AND THERE ARE YOU FINANCE DEFENSE .. angry
          3. Marconi41
            Marconi41 24 December 2015 23: 43
            0
            Quote: ButchCassidy
            Su is heavy, MiG is light. And each of them is in demand

            In demand where?
            From the MiG office, the country buys only MiG-29K in a small batch for the fleet, and that's it. The modernization of the MiG-31 somehow supports this office. And the 35th version of the MiG-29 MO did not inspire. Foreign "partners" are also refusing to purchase these fighters. So the MiG is slowly bending over. Perhaps, indeed, the new interceptor will be in demand and will support the Migovites for the long term. We will see.
        4. Thronekeeper
          Thronekeeper 24 December 2015 10: 29
          +2
          1.44 is LL. Not far away from the Chinese simulators of the 5 generation.

          The problem is that the MiG-31BM, like the MiG-25 and m / f before it, is an immortal and irreplaceable machine.

          Who will find an inconspicuous insect flying over the flowers with "Hellfires" of the "Predator" class, KR, F-22/35 will find it at an unattainable range and knock down the "long arm" P-37? At the same time, from 200 km, the direct-flow X-31PD will crash any Patriot or Hetz radar, and with the aeroballistic X-15P - from 300, and the 15A will sink the boat. And onyx is also being developed. And new electronic warfare systems.
          While there will be "large-format" missiles - even like the X-31 missiles, you cannot hide them in any compartment of the "five", and for a long time they will share the sky with 4 ++ with the power of a thief, a radar station, etc. avionics, and a REP against stealth.
          The MiG, by the way, had a hyper and stealthy interceptor-bomber-contra-aircraft carrier. Under "Yakhonts", but now more powerful, distant and compact "Zircons" can be replaced (in greater number). The article is good.
          Recon appearance:
        5. shonsu
          shonsu 24 December 2015 22: 38
          -3
          function pack differs fundamentally from mig-31. it is an excellent combat vehicle, the potential of which, due to the high secrecy of the vehicle, was never demonstrated in hostilities. I tried for a very long time to get his LTH in open sources, all I could find was that his speed exceeds 3700 km / h, and the dynamic ceiling is 46km. it's already somewhere on the border with hypersound! no serial aircraft have such parameters.
          1. Lucy
            Lucy 25 December 2015 02: 09
            +2
            shonsu (2)
            I confirm! Yesterday, in the flight canteen, he dined at the same table with Seryoga Bogdan. He wrote me the same numbers on a napkin. He just indicated that 3700km / h is Vpro., And the ceiling is static! So for all 50 000m. flies out! yes
            And they say that in the FAP they will register the order of flights on the PVP, so as to safely diverge from the satellites!
        6. Sibiriya
          Sibiriya 25 December 2015 17: 59
          0
          worth listening to and seeing
        7. Dilshat
          Dilshat 25 December 2015 19: 49
          0
          Who would argue! Throwing such a unique aircraft would be great stupidity! It became the record holder in the number of world records set (29), of which 3 - absolute. According to aviation experts, military scientists and experts, the MiG-31 aircraft, having huge modernization potential , is the most promising for considering it as a base when solving the problems of aerospace defense, strategic reconnaissance, long-range strike aircraft, an operational means of launching small satellites of various sizes into low Earth orbits of destination, and so on. d. This is confirmed by numerous works 2-th CRI Defense of the Russian Federation, the Russian Defense Ministry and the Higher Scientific Research Institute of civilian agencies.
    2. lukewarm
      lukewarm 23 December 2015 15: 26
      +8
      Quote: cniza
      from your corporation

      Exactly. It seems to me that the MiG has been undeservedly pushed back from the 90s. Its niche is tightly occupied by Su, although it is a heavy fighter. Maybe at least "lucky" with the interceptor. Good luck to the migrants.
      1. dyksi
        dyksi 23 December 2015 16: 19
        +1
        Everything is returning little by little, they have already begun to understand this at the top, they want to appoint Sergey Korotkov the chief general designer of the KLA (he is a decent person and knows how to organize work on creating fighters without burdening or taking off his last pants from the state), although they say that he can combine posts, but He does not want to leave the RSK MiG, he rests, but here the last word is over the leadership.
    3. Lukich
      Lukich 23 December 2015 16: 11
      +2
      Quote: cniza
      Good luck, we have been waiting for something new from your corporation for a long time.

      Was it not him that Ragozin, in opposition to the suburban Bandera, suggested calling him "Smersh"? wink
      1. Koshak
        Koshak 24 December 2015 01: 30
        0
        Quote: Lukich
        ... was it not him that Ragozin, in opposition to the suburban Bandera, suggested calling him "Smersh"? wink

        No, he meant Su-30СМ (merch)
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 23 December 2015 17: 27
      +3
      Quote: cniza
      Good luck, we have been waiting for something new from your corporation for a long time.

      About the development of the new interceptor
      (MIG-41) I wrote for a long time ... mattresses have been ringing about him for two years already .. even voiced high-speed TTX -4,5-5 swings.
      1. luiswoo
        luiswoo 24 December 2015 11: 41
        0
        Mach 5 is 6125 kmph. When the time limit was exceeded, the "flashlight" of the Mig-25 melted at a speed two times lower than this. Titanium T-4 100 and Lockheed SR-71 (which is funny, also from Soviet titanium) are shamelessly expensive. Actually, for this "MiG-41" will it be necessary to sprinkle its weight with platinum, or will there be enough gold? :)
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 24 December 2015 12: 06
          +2
          Quote: luiswoo
          Mach 5 is 6125 kmph. When the time limit was exceeded, the "flashlight" of the Mig-25 melted at a speed two times lower than this. Titanium T-4 100 and Lockheed SR-71 (which is funny, also from Soviet titanium) are shamelessly expensive. Actually, for this "MiG-41" will it be necessary to sprinkle its weight with platinum, or will there be enough gold? :)

          Russia is now able to produce the best heat-resistant materials in the world ... and if not us, but the mattresses already say that the MIG Design Bureau is developing a new interceptor with such high-speed performance characteristics, then there is no smoke without fire ... information on the new interceptor in there is little Internet, but at the same time, our representatives also admitted that such work and speed characteristics are being carried out right up to 5 swaps ... delve into the internet and study this issue. hi
    5. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 23 December 2015 17: 28
      +5
      If the guys can surpass the MiG-31, then, as they say: "respect and respect!"
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 23 December 2015 17: 50
        +4
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        If the guys can surpass the MiG-31, then, as they say: "respect and respect!"

        Another thing is important, that KB MIG is alive and working ... it is important.
      2. luiswoo
        luiswoo 24 December 2015 12: 06
        -2
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        If the guys can beat the MiG-31

        Already surpassed, MiG-1.44 and so faster, higher, stronger ... Actually, as an interceptor, he and T-50 surpasses. Cruising supersonic at 1890 km \ h versus 1380 km \ h (?) What is it worth.
    6. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 23 December 2015 17: 29
      +1
      a compromise has already been found, the new T-50 drying takes a position between the two.

      A fighter-interceptor is apparently needed, due to the specificity and vastness of Russian open spaces.

      Like that silent dancer in a disco: let them dance, and we will show ourselves in ...... business.
    7. vex
      vex 24 December 2015 03: 41
      -1
      There was a closed session of the State Duma, where the issue of resuming the release of these twigs was considered. It said that today the production technology of even glass for flashlights has been lost. At such speeds, they simply melt. Well, they decided not to renew, but to build a new one. But not now.
  2. Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 23 December 2015 14: 42
    +5
    Infa longtime. Even somewhere, all sorts of drawings were seen.
    Something like that:

    Good luck!

    Engineer
    Therefore, the figure of the 3th generation does not take this drawing seriously

    By the way, I don’t say what exactly this is. Just saw all sorts of drawings and hallucinations on the topic laughing
    1. Engineer
      Engineer 23 December 2015 14: 48
      0
      with such air intakes, he will not catch up with the Su-27. Therefore, the aircraft of the 3 generation does not take this drawing seriously.
      1. aleks 62 next
        aleks 62 next 23 December 2015 15: 06
        +5
        .... with such air intakes, he will not catch up with the Su-27 ....


        ... And why did the air intakes not please you ????? .... Quite normal "oblique" air intakes with an adjustable wedge ... Supersonic .... lol
    2. Igor39
      Igor39 23 December 2015 14: 59
      +4
      Mig-41 can this one?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 15: 10
        20
        Quote: Igor39
        Mig-41 can this one?

        A drawing contest began, as was the case with the fittings. Pictures of tanks of different types were stamped, those who put them more beautifully got the more advantages lol
        1. Igor39
          Igor39 23 December 2015 15: 12
          +2
          In the photo: sketch of the TIR project, USSR, border of 1980-90x.
          1. luiswoo
            luiswoo 24 December 2015 11: 51
            0
            MiG70.1 to be precise ... Flight performance characteristics are almost the same as those of MiG1.44. The engine is the same.
        2. Wiruz
          Wiruz 23 December 2015 15: 14
          +9
          The news is old. The drawings are even older. More times that country hi
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 15: 45
            +3
            Quote: Wiruz
            The drawings are even older.

            SchA will begin to draw new ones.
            1. 11 black
              11 black 24 December 2015 17: 38
              -1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              A drawing contest began, as was the case with the fittings. Pictures of tanks of different types were stamped, those who put them more beautifully got the more pluses lol

              Well then win me victory laughing laughing laughing bully
              Well, to be honest, I have been waiting for such news for a very long time, I am very happy for the 41 of which it was finally launched
              1. Windy
                Windy 25 December 2015 08: 43
                +1
                This ugly garbage (in your picture), due to its flawed aerodynamics and layout, is not able to replace the thirty-first in its functional niche.
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        3. Nosgoth
          Nosgoth 2 January 2016 07: 30
          0
          The chief "pluses collector" spoke up. Just what to say ?!
      2. dyksi
        dyksi 23 December 2015 16: 23
        0
        This is one of the options (created at the end of the Union), a machine weighing seventy tons, large and heavy, but new dvigla are needed to create it, and this is very difficult and expensive nowadays. Although everything is possible.
      3. VIT101
        VIT101 24 December 2015 19: 53
        +1
        The layout of the engines for the fighter is not viable. With active maneuvering in the vertical plane, shading of the air intakes occurs with the ensuing consequences.
    3. sinoptic
      sinoptic 23 December 2015 16: 25
      -5
      Is that a MiG 27? :)
  3. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 23 December 2015 14: 43
    +3
    Korotkov said nothing about the timing of the new machine.

    10 years minimum. recourse
    1. RBLip
      RBLip 23 December 2015 14: 46
      +4
      Quote: Vladimirets
      10 years minimum.

      and it’s scary to imagine how long it will take to appear in the troops ...
    2. Dyagilev
      Dyagilev 23 December 2015 15: 22
      0
      Even nothing has been said about the generation. The name, however, is an assumption from the article: NAC, and then I'm afraid to think out. what
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 23 December 2015 16: 16
        -1
        This will be the sixth generation interceptor aircraft.
  4. Igor39
    Igor39 23 December 2015 14: 44
    +1
    I think the base will be the same Mig, they will make it like Tu 160, cheap and cheerful.
    1. Vladimyrych
      Vladimyrych 23 December 2015 14: 47
      +4
      Quote: Igor39
      I think the base will be the same Mig, they will make it like Tu 160, cheap and cheerful.

      I do not see a problem. Why not continue the categorically successful direction? good
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 23 December 2015 14: 49
        +1
        Well, I’m saying that it makes no sense to draw another, they will finalize it in a series.
        1. Altona
          Altona 23 December 2015 15: 23
          +2
          Quote: Igor39
          Well, I’m saying that it makes no sense to draw another, they will finalize it in a series.

          --------------------------
          There is always a sense to draw. There are several tasks to solve. Replacing heat-resistant steel with something else, focusing on "invisibility", revising the layout solutions inside the fuselage to accommodate additional weapons and fuel, and of course, more "intellectualization" of the side.
    2. clidon
      clidon 23 December 2015 16: 12
      +2
      And I think that they will talk, they will talk and stop on an additional order of T-50. Just in time, the Mig-31 deadline will be worked out and they will need to be urgently changed.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 23 December 2015 20: 44
        +2
        Quote: clidon
        And I think that they will talk, they will talk and stop on an additional order of T-50. Just in time, the Mig-31 deadline will be worked out and they will need to be urgently changed.

        I think so too. T-50, although a bit slower, will completely replace the Mig-31. They scrapped money on the T-50, with a scratch, only 12 pieces were ordered instead of 52! So, if the money appears it’s better to order more T-50 than to breed a zoo.
        http://topwar.ru/71520-smi-minoborony-rf-reshilo-zakupit-vsego-12-istrebiteley-t

        -50-pak-fa-vmesto-52-h.html
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 23 December 2015 21: 09
          +3
          Quote: Stas157
          I think so too. T-50, although a bit slower, will completely replace the Mig-31.

          PAK FA is a multi-purpose fighter for gaining superiority in the air and using it as an interceptor is stupid ... in addition, interceptors such as MIG-31 are more focused on intercepting the KR, because it has such a speed and ceiling. With a fool and SU -25-th can be used as a fighter, but it is not intended for these tasks. Each machine is developed for certain tasks, on the basis of which they are given TTX ...
          1. clidon
            clidon 23 December 2015 22: 12
            +2
            This is all understandable, but in our time of huge prices for military products, unification is inevitable. In addition, apparently, the military will no longer have such large budgets. Therefore, you have to sacrifice something. And thinking. that you will have to sacrifice exactly "niche" expensive cars.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 23 December 2015 22: 24
              +1
              Quote: clidon
              And thinking. that you will have to sacrifice exactly "niche" expensive cars.

              You don’t have to ... each complex has its own niche and its own post ... and MIG-31, despite the modernization and the fact that it’s a wonderful interceptor, needs to be prepared for a replacement, in the light of new threats and a change in the face of the war itself ... so, the development of a new interceptor is absolutely justified and logical.
              1. clidon
                clidon 23 December 2015 22: 51
                0
                Well, this can be repeated unconscious, but highly specialized machines are dying. The development of such a machine (if it is modern, and not just a remake of the 4 generation with a new radar and an upgraded engine and even based on the remaining cases) is comparable in cost to the long-suffering T-50. If this will actually be a new interceptor, then the question of financing (you do not forget - the Russian Air Force is already far from the USSR Air Force in number) not only programs and production, but also operation (which is also very important) will arise quickly. And who will be infringed on - the universal T-50? Maybe the project is a promising light car? Or PAK YES? I don’t think so.
                Initially, the plans are simply pushed forward, but the bells will start ringing when the MiG-31 units are replaced by "conventional" fighters, albeit adapted for air defense missions.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 23 December 2015 23: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: clidon
                  If it really will be a new interceptor

                  It's not for nothing that I told you about the new threats and the new look of the war ... why did you think that the new interceptor will be highly specialized? And then, at the moment, the same MIG-31 has little work and tasks?
                  Quote: clidon
                  And who will be infringed on - the universal T-50? Maybe the project is a promising light car?

                  And no one has yet canceled the concept of the fighter pair ... and the MIG design bureau is working on 5 generation LPIs, raising the development of the MIG-1.44, taking into account developments on the PAK FA ... After all, why is the T-50 so hard for us? Because in fact, we have the first platform of the new generation ... a lot of mistakes, a lot of search and solutions ... PAK FA is the first-born, whose works and solutions will then be built by both LFI and PAK DA and PAK TA and the same MIG-41.
                  In addition, it is necessary to take into account the fact that 70% of sales of the entire fighter component falls on the LFI ...
                  Quote: clidon
                  Initially, the plans are simply pushed forward, but the bells will start ringing when the MiG-31 units are replaced by "conventional" fighters, albeit adapted for air defense missions.

                  This will not happen for the simple reason that the "Caspian salute" showed the whole world the effectiveness of the CD ... and now all the players are working hard to create their own "Caliber" and "Tamaghawks", which means that we need to work on interception systems for such missiles (which will become hyper sonic in the near future) ... therefore, the performance characteristics of the new interceptor of ours are precisely such Mach 4,5-5 ...
                  1. clidon
                    clidon 24 December 2015 16: 44
                    0
                    It's not for nothing that I told you about the new threats and the new look of the war ... why did you think that the new interceptor will be highly specialized?

                    The concept of a heavy, ultra-high-speed interceptor in modern conditions is a narrow niche. Large mass means low maneuverability; high speed means greater visibility. At least because of the heating and design features of the "stealth technology." As a result, we get what we got earlier in Mig-31, but at a new level. Actually, this is not denied.

                    And then, at the moment, does the same MIG-31 have little work and tasks?

                    Yes, the same remained.

                    But no one has yet canceled the concept of the fighter pair ... and the MIG design bureau is working on 5 generation LFIs, having raised the development of the MIG-1.44, taking into account developments on the PAK FA ...

                    So I say that in this “trinity” - root it is a heavy universal fighter for gaining air superiority. They will do it at any cost and find the money. The smaller brother, the LFI, is next in line - his fate is much more vague and that as a result, it turns out so far it is impossible to assume even nearby (no matter how the next reincarnation of Mig-29). Moreover, that makes it OKB Mig, which itself is not in the best position, even AFAR still can not work.
                    But the weakest link of the fighter "troika" is a heavy fighter, from which they will start saving ...
                    As for the PAK FA, on the basis of which the rest of the cars will be made, here we can recall the F-22 and F-35. The second is based on the first. Did it greatly reduce the cost and speed up the process? This is despite the fact that they are made by one office, and Mig is not Su.

                    In addition, it is necessary to take into account the fact that 70% of sales of the entire fighter component falls on the LFI ...

                    Have we sold a lot of LFI over the last 25 years?

                    This will not happen for the simple reason that the "Caspian salute" showed the whole world the effectiveness of the CD ...

                    KR were massively used for 25 years before the "Caspian salute", and adopted even earlier. And how many heavy fighters do you see now in service with the countries of the world? Besides, do you really think that with the mass appearance of high-speed 100-120 high-speed fighter missiles, they will solve the problem?
                    1. xtur
                      xtur 25 December 2015 14: 23
                      0
                      > The very concept of a heavy super-high-speed interceptor in modern conditions is a narrow niche.

                      it feels like you live somewhere very far from Russia ... say, on Jupiter. the narrow niche of Russia with its many thousands and unequipped Arctic coasts will contain a whole air fleet of even the largest country.

                      > from and I say that in this "trinity" - the root is a heavy universal fighter of gaining air superiority.

                      the MiG-31 embodied much of what was then applied in the fifth generation - advanced communication systems, over-the-air supersonic sound.
                      So in Russian conditions, interceptors get the qualities of the prototype / model of the next generation fighter.

                      This is an invaluable experience in clarifying some of the requirements for the next generation of technology.
                      1. clidon
                        clidon 25 December 2015 20: 58
                        0
                        It feels like you live somewhere very far from Russia ...

                        It seems that you are not aware of the number of air forces that Russia can put on its many thousands of kilometers. Are 100-140 machines actually saving us?
                        The future of air defense in focal defense. The more intelligent the weapon, the easier it will be to penetrate over stretches of thousands of kilometers.

                        the MiG-31 embodied much of what was then applied in the fifth generation - advanced communication systems, over-the-air supersonic sound.

                        Do you propose building a prototype of a future car in hundreds? )))
                        The afterburner supersonic Mig-31 absolutely does not help the T-50 engines in any way. Well, communications can be implemented immediately on target machines.
          2. Lucy
            Lucy 24 December 2015 11: 47
            +2
            Enlighten what does speed and ceiling of an aircraft have to do with cruise missiles?
            In practice, do you know the process of intercepting MiG-31 crews with cruise missiles?
            1. Lucy
              Lucy 24 December 2015 14: 46
              +1
              NEXUS (2)

              PAK FA is a multi-purpose fighter for gaining superiority in the air and using it as an interceptor is stupid ... in addition, interceptors such as MIG-31 are more focused on intercepting the KR, because it has such a speed and ceiling. With a fool and SU -25-th can be used as a fighter, but it is not intended for these tasks. Each machine is developed for certain tasks, on the basis of which they are given TTX.

              laughing Posted by: NEXUS
              Date Added: December 24 2015 12: 01
              Link to the news: http://topwar.ru/index.php?newsid=88364

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              Quote: lusya This is not possible for a serial interceptor!
              Very soon it will become a reality ...
            2. shonsu
              shonsu 24 December 2015 22: 59
              0
              yes known. it is precisely this moment that 31 is famous. such tasks are constantly practiced in exercises.
            3. shonsu
              shonsu 24 December 2015 22: 59
              0
              yes known. it is precisely this moment that 31 is famous. such tasks are constantly practiced in exercises.
          3. Stas157
            Stas157 24 December 2015 12: 24
            +2
            Quote: NEXUS
            PAK FA is a multi-purpose fighter for gaining superiority in the air and using it as an interceptor is stupid ... in addition, interceptors such as MIG-31 are more focused on intercepting the KR, because it has such a speed and ceiling. With a fool and SU -25-th can be used as a fighter, but it is not intended for these tasks. Each machine is developed for certain tasks, on the basis of which they are given TTX ...

            Can you list what tasks that Mig-31 is unable to perform PAK FA?
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 24 December 2015 17: 21
              +1
              Quote: Stas157
              Can you list what tasks that Mig-31 is unable to perform PAK FA?

              Destruction of low-flying satellites for example ...
              1. Lucy
                Lucy 25 December 2015 01: 54
                +1
                What are the names of 2's heroes of the Russian Federation who tried to shoot down a low-flying satellite! drinks
        2. Tishka
          Tishka 25 December 2015 00: 57
          -1
          One problem, as voiced at MAX, T-50, on super sound, can fly, minutes 40! And MIG 31, as long as there is kerosene in the tanks, and even without afterburner, at a climb, can go over to the top of the sound! These are the pies, interesting!
          1. Lucy
            Lucy 25 December 2015 01: 42
            +1
            SILENCE!
            And why fly 40 minutes afterburner? And how many tons of kerosene burns in 40 minutes of Mig-31? And in how many minutes does the MiG-31 burn kerosene in excess of sound to reach the nearest airfield from the line of interception at the MG?
            Do you know the term specific fuel consumption for certain engine operating modes for a specific flight profile (interception)? fool
  5. Engineer
    Engineer 23 December 2015 14: 46
    +6
    A plane without an engine will not fly, but I have not heard about the new engine. Because the prospects for the aircraft are very distant. And if he gets the same 117 that the T-50 will have, then he will already lose the Mig-31 in high-speed characteristics.
  6. Nick888
    Nick888 23 December 2015 14: 50
    +5
    I read about a year ago, m / v Bonadrev said that MiG would begin to create a new interceptor. I look forward to some MiG-41))) But as mentioned in the comments above, it will take a long time to wait.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 23 December 2015 14: 56
      0
      Quote: Nick888
      I read about a year ago, m / v Bonadrev said that MiG would begin to create a new interceptor. I look forward to some MiG-41))) But as mentioned in the comments above, it will take a long time to wait.

      Hope dies last. Maybe we will live to see this light hour.
    2. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 23 December 2015 15: 02
      -5
      Quote: Nick888
      I look forward to some MiG-41

      So what? MiG-41С “Firefly” smile
      1. Air Force captain
        Air Force captain 23 December 2015 15: 31
        +6
        Man ... this is a Boeing (if my memory serves me, the competitor f-35)
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 23 December 2015 15: 59
          0
          Quote: Air Force Captain
          Man ... this is a Boeing (if my memory serves me, the competitor f-35)

          Yes? But still, the notorious MiG-41 no one saw firsthand. And this concept art will be dragged from here http://sneg5.com/forum/7-142-1, where it is called 41-m MiG.
  7. Wolka
    Wolka 23 December 2015 14: 52
    -8
    speed is an important, but now not a determining factor in modern aircraft construction ...
    1. kolyhalovs
      kolyhalovs 23 December 2015 15: 26
      +9
      For an interceptor, then? And what will he intercept if he does not have speed?
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 23 December 2015 15: 41
        +8
        Quote: kolyhalovs
        And what will he intercept

        Well, until the payday ... what
      2. Lucy
        Lucy 24 December 2015 12: 12
        +1
        To do this, read the tactics of using the MiG-31, RLE, the physical principle of operation of the radar, and at least "stand next to the plane" laughing
  8. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 23 December 2015 14: 55
    +3
    For some reason, I really want to pull MiGs out of the shadows and give them a second wind. It is very good that this wonderful team has good potential. I will wait for their masterpiece! smile
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 23 December 2015 15: 00
      +2
      Quote: dchegrinec
      Why do you really want to pull MiGs out of the shadows and give them a second wind

      Because the MiG is a legend. From the MiG-15 to the MiG-31. One machine cannot be distinguished: they are all legendary.
  9. shadow
    shadow 23 December 2015 14: 56
    +5
    We’ll wait and see what they’ll finish there. And, by the way, the Mig-31 does not stagger at supersonic speeds at low altitudes, and everyone else begins to have a chatter, even the T-50
    1. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 23 December 2015 15: 09
      +1
      ..... by the way, the Mig-31 does not stagger at supersonic speeds at low altitudes, and everyone else starts talking, even the T-50 ...


      .... belay .... Please, in more detail .... And preferably a reference to the Old .... Ochchchchchen interesting .... lol
  10. LVMI1980
    LVMI1980 23 December 2015 15: 00
    -2
    Russia harnesses for a long time, but goes fast
  11. Zomanus
    Zomanus 23 December 2015 15: 08
    0
    Yes, even if they take the old glider,
    put on it a bunch of electronic body kit and plug in new engines, it will already be super.
    View on T-50 PAK FA. Essentially an ordinary airplane.
    But due to the latest avionics and new materials has evolved
    into a super thing.
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 23 December 2015 15: 55
      +1
      Quote: Zomanus
      View on T-50 PAK FA. Essentially Ordinary Aircraft

      Normal. Yes of course. This beast with ordinary motors costs three of their raptors. He sees the 35 km further, and the mother is not grieving for weapons, the Americans are choking on their saliva.
      In vain chtoli Americans our VKS put in the first place
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 23 December 2015 16: 20
        +2
        T 50, as his weapon in service is not yet worth it.
        1. samoletil18
          samoletil18 23 December 2015 17: 27
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          This beast

          Already?
  12. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 23 December 2015 15: 19
    -1
    I am very happy for the MIG. We look forward to the new plane. good good good soldier
  13. seti
    seti 23 December 2015 15: 21
    0
    Of course, I would like the long-suffering MiG-35 to go into production. For me, the Su family cars are wonderful and probably the best in their class, but we must not forget that all these Su-30, Su-35 and PAK FA (T 50) belong to heavy fighters, which means that they are much more expensive than the light class which owns the MiG-35. The latter would be very much in demand as has been written more than once. And the need for such a machine is huge.
    Well, upgrading the MiG-31 is definitely necessary but do not forget about the future. All the same, the MiG-31 glider is already obsolete in the compartment of new materials and technologies.
    1. luiswoo
      luiswoo 24 December 2015 14: 36
      -1
      A heavier vehicle has a more powerful radar, more long-range missiles, a longer flight range (speculatively). As a result, most likely it will turn out, it doesn’t matter that a lightweight car is cheaper - a heavier one will get it from a greater distance. And more will hardly help. Unless, of course, the difference in quantity is not an order of magnitude.
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 24 December 2015 16: 07
      +2
      Quote: seti
      but do not forget that all of these Su-30, Su-35 and PAK FA (T 50) belong to heavy fighters, which means that they are much more expensive than the light class to which the MiG-35 belongs.

      Mig-35 is more expensive than Su-30.
  14. Berthan
    Berthan 23 December 2015 15: 22
    -4
    Since aviation is now with a cosmic inclination, the new apparatus must be made aerospace. Yes, and aircraft carriers - it's time, for starters, at least to put into orbit ...
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 23 December 2015 15: 34
      +2
      Quote: BERTRAN
      Since aviation is now with a cosmic inclination, the new apparatus must be made aerospace. Yes, and aircraft carriers - it's time, for starters, at least to put into orbit ...

      Hope everyone paid taxes? Orbital aircraft carriers are terribly expensive.
    2. evge-malyshev
      evge-malyshev 23 December 2015 18: 54
      0
      Quote: BERTRAN
      Yes, and aircraft carriers - it's time, for starters, at least to put into orbit ...


      Sofa designers are already at work. You are not the first.
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  15. xBoris
    xBoris 23 December 2015 15: 22
    +2
    ..mainly, that would be reliable equipment .. And not like a black box from 24, which did not survive the fall ..
    There would be a metal wire, as before - what the hell would happen to her ..
  16. na76
    na76 23 December 2015 15: 28
    +1
    The main thing is that professional engineering and design personnel at MIG remain and otherwise the development of a new aircraft can turn into a long-term construction or a banal budget cut
  17. Fisman
    Fisman 23 December 2015 15: 32
    -1
    The long-awaited decision.
  18. Irbis5974
    Irbis5974 23 December 2015 15: 32
    -1
    Quote: Zomanus
    Yes, even if they take the old glider,
    put on it a bunch of electronic body kit and plug in new engines, it will already be super.
    View on T-50 PAK FA. Essentially an ordinary airplane.
    But due to the latest avionics and new materials has evolved
    into a super thing.


    New is good, but old should not be forgotten either. What was wrong specifically with the MiG-31M (pure M-ka)? He in due time, and even now will give anyone a head start. And avionics and weapons, other equipment. By the way, the current 31BM is a light version of the M-ki. However, for the sake of especially squeamish Western "partners" they were not allowed into the series, although they passed the state tests. Sechas 6 pieces of this wonderful device are slowly rotting away. It's a shame !!!
    1. luiswoo
      luiswoo 24 December 2015 13: 45
      -2
      Engine at least. The MiG-1.44 has afterburning over-sound, long range and flight time. If you do not dig at the maximum speed that the MiG-31 can develop only for a short time, then the T-50 surpasses it. With an engine of the second stage, it will probably surpass it too. Although it makes sense, rockets are faster ...
  19. novobranets
    novobranets 23 December 2015 15: 33
    +2
    Recall that in September, 2015 r turned 40 years from the date of the first flight of the MiG-31.
    A fighter is a term for a fighter. Takes pride in the Soviet aircraft designers, to put such potential for modernization in the car, this is not a joke.
  20. nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 23 December 2015 15: 34
    0
    It is a pity that we are "eating up" the remnants of the former power. Chubais alone "works" for the good of the country.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 24 December 2015 00: 38
      +2
      Quote: nazgul-ishe
      Chubais alone "works" for the good of the country.

      Yeah! Trying hard!
  21. gg.na
    gg.na 23 December 2015 15: 40
    -1
    Here and there will still be something to rejoice if they develop something new and practical in the MiG !!! yes
  22. samoletil18
    samoletil18 23 December 2015 15: 41
    +3
    It seems to be “hurray!”, But in essence: “We understand what kind of plane it will be. Work is already underway to determine its appearance, ”point out the minuses, perhaps, for pessimism. request
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 23 December 2015 15: 58
      +2
      Quote: samoletil18
      for pessimism.

      This is realism. yes
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  23. Tusv
    Tusv 23 December 2015 15: 42
    +3
    “The plane is beautiful. He stepped forward several decades to create it. Upgraded MiG-31
    .
    Upgraded MiG 31 Lost in speed, but gained in patrol. But still, the fastest pepelats in the world at the moment. His ancestor MiG sent the twenty-fifth to the landfill of the well-deserved Thrush. In capable hands, this is the king of the sky.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 23 December 2015 16: 12
      0
      MiG-31 is still flying! After the "thrush" with its three "MAXs" which the MiG-25 ordered to live for a long time, the 31st is not bad even now, it's another matter that they were not "how much money was enough", but enough to guarantee the breakdown of the "massive second wave of bombers" ... And at the expense of the new, of course it is necessary to do so. I would like to see him even in 10 years. And I still don’t want to do the same with the "Armats" - we ordered twelve, we were able to collect six for the parade, and we will do the rest for mobilization under bombs. I was taught as a child - in modern warfare there is no home front !!! With all that it implies ...
  24. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 23 December 2015 16: 16
    0
    I always believed that the 31 is the ultimate in flight performance. At its speeds, the materials do not withstand heat. Well, where is better? I think the problem is the loss of manufacturing technology. It is necessary either to restore the old one, or to develop a new one, plus new engines, a new avionics, weapons in the internal compartments (otherwise it’s also heated, poor).
    It will be a very cool aircraft, and I think it’s not much delayed with the development. Times are not the same.
  25. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 23 December 2015 16: 21
    -1
    It is necessary to take the T-50 units and engines, and make the aircraft at the desired range. The interceptor will not be large-scale, the economy must be taken into account. I see a double version of the T-50 with an increased range and the correction for the power of the engines of the shopping mall mass will increase.
  26. Leprekon
    Leprekon 23 December 2015 16: 31
    +2
    Does it all come down to money and opportunities? Soviet reality always strikes me. Half-naked, half-starved, in a ruined civilian, and then WWII, people were able to implement the ambitious plans of the five-year plans, GOERLO, restore or relocate to the East thousands of factories, factories and mines! What have you lost, what have you unlearned, what is needed to restore former glory?
    Let's hope more people who believe in the power of the people. Moscow, too, was not immediately built and restored!
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 24 December 2015 00: 55
      +2
      Quote: Leprechaun
      relocate to the East thousands of factories, factories and mines!

      I propose to issue a copyright certificate for the redeployment of the SHAFT !!! wassat
      Well, with factories - it’s clear ... But the mine ??? This is only within the power of Soviet people !!! laughing
  27. for_White_Only
    for_White_Only 23 December 2015 21: 06
    0
    Quote: cniza
    “We understand what it will be like a plane. Work is already underway to determine its appearance, ”the manager noted, adding that the development is carried out at the expense of the budget. On the timing of the creation of a new car Korotkov said nothing.


    Good luck, we have been waiting for something new from your corporation for a long time.


    And where are the screams, MiG was buried, only dry develops and develops state funds ?? or the phrase "adding that development is funded by the budget." lovers of misunderstanding by chance missed their eyes?
  28. atamankko
    atamankko 24 December 2015 00: 22
    -1
    It’s difficult, but we’ll still rearm,
    and adversaries are now envious of our technology.
  29. linen
    linen 24 December 2015 07: 56
    -1
    Long NEEDED A NEW INTERCEPTOR !!!! With hypersonic speed !!!
  30. complete zero
    complete zero 24 December 2015 09: 20
    0
    Quote: GDP
    Technologies have stepped forward a long time ago - new materials appeared - lighter and more durable, new ones - more powerful engines, new electronics, radars and suppression systems ...
    Everyone knows about the shortcomings of 31 for a long time, but things are still there ...

    PAK FA, (when the new engines are finalized) will be an excellent front-line fighter - but the interceptor is still something else. It was time, it was high time to start work on creating a new interceptor ...

    What are the disadvantages of the 25/31 complex? there are simply NO analogs in the world to this complex, yes, it is expensive to maintain and manufacture, increased requirements for the level of the pilot, but all this pays off with its "performance" after the appearance (in my opinion in Anadyr?) of these machines, the SR 71 flights completely stopped (and it says a lot) ... I do not argue with this to modernize, but to write off such a successful (LA) in my opinion is not correct?
  31. Vitail
    Vitail 24 December 2015 10: 51
    0
    I wish the Migrants success in their work, let them create the same beautiful cars as before to envy the enemies of Russia.
  32. Ilya77
    Ilya77 24 December 2015 11: 19
    +2
    The drawing contest has gone! My suggestion:
    1. Raider
      Raider 24 December 2015 14: 06
      0
      Did you go to Star Wars yesterday ?? laughing
  33. su163
    su163 24 December 2015 14: 30
    -1
    Quote: BLACK-SHARK-64
    DESTROY A COUPLE OF OLIGARCHS AND THERE ARE YOU FINANCE DEFENSE .. angry

    Why only a couple? oblige these friends to transfer money to the defense nnnn monthly
    1. su163
      su163 6 February 2016 10: 30
      0
      There are solid oligarchs minus ???
  34. su163
    su163 24 December 2015 14: 33
    -1
    He has a reliable glider. To modernize the filling and serve the homeland.
    1. su163
      su163 6 February 2016 10: 31
      0
      One wiseacre understanding gliders minus ??
  35. Maz
    Maz 24 December 2015 15: 12
    +2
    Try to overcome the dollar. Ldin Bucks - 70 wooden. Here you won’t get off in any instant. :)
  36. Yak28
    Yak28 24 December 2015 18: 28
    0
    But interesting SU-15 was much worse Miga31 was?
  37. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 24 December 2015 18: 30
    -1
    MiG with one dviglom, light front-line. And okay!
    1. Yak28
      Yak28 24 December 2015 18: 57
      +1
      Mig21 and Mig23 were with the same engine and it was normal :-)
  38. Avantageur
    Avantageur 24 December 2015 20: 32
    0
    MiG-41С Concept Art
    1. Yak28
      Yak28 24 December 2015 21: 05
      0
      MIG-21 reborn. But seriously, if you take into account how much dry tormented 5 generation aircraft, MIG will enter a series of years through 20-30
      1. Avantageur
        Avantageur 25 December 2015 00: 06
        0
        Quote: Yak28
        MIG-21 reborn

        Something like ...)

        Quote: Yak28
        But seriously, if you consider how much dry tormented with an 5 generation aircraft, then MIG will enter a series of years through 20-30

        For as many years, the MIG-31 will surprise us as well.

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  39. BABAY22
    BABAY22 24 December 2015 21: 17
    +1
    Light fighter, heavy fighter. Mig, soo. Generation 4 +, 4 ++, 5-.
    New long-range interceptor.
    Somehow all too much, do not you think?
    Meanwhile, our overseas friends, whose competence in the field of aircraft construction is not called into question by anyone, are passing to the 6 generation. Those. heavy UAV.
    My opinion is that when designing a long-range interceptor, with the prospect of delivering to the troops through 15-20 for years, you need to consider who he will meet in the sky with, and does he need a pilot aboard this interceptor?
    Of course, I do not consider myself smarter than the analysts from the General Staff, but then I would not have to regret the time and money spent on creating a "very good" aircraft, which is already morally obsolete at the design stage.
    Well, not with the Papuans, we are getting ready to fight.
    1. BABAY22
      BABAY22 24 December 2015 21: 34
      0
      Or maybe the long-range interceptor is an analogue of the A-380 with a mushroom on top and with a hundred ultra-long-range missiles?
    2. Yak28
      Yak28 24 December 2015 21: 43
      -1
      We have already spent time and money on the Su-47 "Berkut", MiG 1.42. And the PAK FA has every chance to join them. Do not stupidly copy the supposedly invisible F-22, you need something radically new. Good mind was enough in due time F-117 "Stealth" do not copy
      1. BABAY22
        BABAY22 24 December 2015 22: 33
        0
        And what is "radically new"?
        Tu-4 (B-29), Buran (Shuttle), T-50 (f-22), P-7 (Fau-2), Su-27 (f-15).
        We are always a couple of steps behind. We create either a direct analogue according to their drawings (Tu-4), or something as opposed to the created one (Su-27). In all fairness, our "copies" and "responses" often surpass their "originals".
        They go their own way creating Concords, f-117, f-35 invisibles. They make mistakes, go along dead-end branches of development. Work, in short.
        And we are sitting and waiting. Where to go. What would it be like to copy, so as not to make a mistake, so that it would not be a dead end branch.
        All. Negative.
        1. Yak28
          Yak28 25 December 2015 06: 24
          -1
          At one time, the Soviet Union went great ahead in creating ballistic missiles, medium and short range, and so we really copied a lot of things, and our new strategic bomber will probably look like the B-2 Spirit? and this is a dead end in development
  40. Voyager
    Voyager 24 December 2015 22: 11
    -1
    Why not for the first few years start the production of new MiG-31 with a completely new filling, new approaches and solutions, materials. As planned with the Tu-160. A terrific car could have worked out.
  41. pavelty
    pavelty 25 December 2015 12: 57
    +1
    Well, gentlemen, commentators, everyone knows everything about everything ... And how the MiG was destroyed, and what Poghosyan, and about the competition with Sukhoi, well done. I, as a person working in the industry, will tell you that everything is fine, the MiG Corporation, Sukhoi, and Irkut, factories in Irkutsk, Novosibirsk, and KNM work, someone Lukhovitsy recalled (not so bad). There are export contracts, contracts with the RF Ministry of Defense too ... no panic - the nineties are over.
  42. Dinosaur1957
    Dinosaur1957 25 December 2015 14: 32
    +2
    I look: no one has a question about whether the "general public", including the "over the hill", needs to know about our movements in any of the areas of the defense industry. In this area, the slogan "No publicity - no prosperity" does not work. Even on paper, the first lines of the drawing did not lie, let alone an enthusiastic squeal, starting from the very top and up to ordinary inhabitants ...
    Let me remind you, not at all out of a desire to gloat: those who drool over the PAK FA do not want to notice the obvious, namely the fact that the aircraft with the T-50 index are just PROTOTYPES. As it is clear from the same omniscient media, and the bashful confessions of the military, this aircraft, apart from the glider and the aerobatic complex (not aiming and navigation), has nothing that would make it a "typical representative" of the fifth generation. But any "" considers it his duty to join the opinion of the chatterbox Rogozin that this aircraft "has no analogues." Take it easy! And remember that the Americans learned about the SU-27 prototype only after the first flights, when it was impossible to hide it from technical reconnaissance.
    And extreme: I do not want to be a Vanga, but about the same "fiftieth" I recalled an episode from the movie "The Last Flight of the Albatross." degree authoritative in aviation Erns Udet said: “... the fact that he cannot fly is not a problem. I believe it will learn. But he doesn't know how to shoot. And he won’t learn. ”By the way, he was right about the albatross - he never really became a combat aircraft