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Germany exports its air defense system from the Turkish territory

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Turkish News Agency Anadolu writes that Germany has taken anti-aircraft missile systems belonging to it from Turkey. The ship, on which the Patriot air defense system was loaded, departed from the Turkish port of Iskenderun and headed for the shores of the European Union to transport complexes to Germany.


Germany exports its air defense system from the Turkish territory


The German Patriot air defense system (two batteries), as well as 250 military personnel of the army of the Federal Republic of Germany, were on Turkish territory under a special mandate. The German military group operated in the province of Karamanmarash, located in southeastern Turkey a few dozen kilometers from the border with Syria.

Official Berlin announced that the mandate for a mission in Turkey ends in January 2016. Apparently, it was decided to proceed in advance with the coagulation of the ZRK batteries.

It should be recalled that not only German anti-aircraft batteries are located in Turkey. It is also the batteries of the Netherlands (later the Dutch air defense systems were replaced by Spanish) and the United States (two from each state). These air defense systems were deployed under the program of NATO assistance to Turkey in connection with the "danger posed by Syria." NATO decided that Turkey needed such assistance in January 2013.

Apparently, today in Berlin, vague doubts about who is threatening the real one have been stung up by everyone: is Syria Turkey or vice versa? ..
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  1. Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 23 December 2015 13: 28 New
    47
    Похоже, натовцы прямо-таки настойчиво приглашают Россию ударить по Турции, оставляя турков без современной ПВО. Недавно американцы свои истребители вывели, теперь вот немцы и голландцы "Пэтриоты" забрали..
    1. Fidget
      Fidget 23 December 2015 13: 30 New
      +4
      or vice versa, they are completely sure that this will not happen ...
      типа "ааа... так тут не будет ничего происходить?! нуууу... тогда сворачиваемся"
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 23 December 2015 13: 38 New
        19
        Quote: Fidget
        or vice versa, they are completely sure that this will not happen ...

        Or do not want to get involved, if that.
      2. sa-zz
        sa-zz 23 December 2015 14: 28 New
        +4
        Quote: Fidget
        or vice versa, they are completely sure that this will not happen ...

        Or not at all confident in the adequacy of Erdogash’s policies
    2. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 23 December 2015 13: 30 New
      +9
      We are waiting for a provocation from Turkey, and the rest of the riffraff will be, as it were, not aisles.
    3. Wild_grey_wolf
      Wild_grey_wolf 23 December 2015 13: 37 New
      12
      An interesting turn of events or so everything coincided successfully. . . I doubt it. So Germany did not consider it all good, from the evil one.
      1. Yura
        Yura 23 December 2015 16: 00 New
        +3
        Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
        Interesting turn of events or

        The storm is approaching, the rats smell it first, they ran, first the United States fired its planes, now Germany. Soon they will scratch everyone else.
        1. Fidget
          Fidget 24 December 2015 11: 14 New
          0
          yes, good! GDP with Shoigu and Lavrov are not impulsive boys. in which case they will simply crush politically and most likely will play the gambit in response from 1877 ... but who will be the pawn?

          Recep seems to be a good and fair man, but something is too much played. apparently, 12 years in big politics have cracked the corps ...
    4. Al_oriso
      Al_oriso 23 December 2015 14: 28 New
      +4
      It seems that the NATO forces are insistently inviting Russia to attack Turkey, leaving the Turks without modern air defense.

      It is possible that Russia advised outsiders to leave the premises.
    5. RBLip
      RBLip 23 December 2015 14: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      Seem to be

      URAAAA! and throwing bonnets into the sky ... it’s nothing like nichrome. the Bundes' mandate ended, they curled up. and instead of them, any other NATO six this pair of batteries (well, whoever has them) will put.
      zadolbali, cheers patriots ....
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 23 December 2015 15: 30 New
        +5
        Quote: RBLip
        zadolbali, cheers patriots ...

        See the root: Indeed, it seems that they are inviting. First, they praise our army, then they’ve screwed up with the aircraft themselves (the Bundesfer), now they are launching the air defense systems. This is against the background of the downed SU-24. Somehow they insistently (and suspiciously) hint that we should seriously bite with the Turks. What is it for?
        1. RBLip
          RBLip 23 December 2015 15: 53 New
          +2
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Look at the root

          I agree ... first I see it, then I write ... I quote about the air defense systems of other NATO countries located in Turkey - subsequently the Dutch air defense systems were replaced by the Spanish. and already passed infa that the Germans will be replaced by Italians. this planned замена. давайте все же считать, что не стоит искать черную кошку в черной комнате... а "силу" и "мощь" и "мгновенную" реакцию на сбитый самолет наша верхушка already showed. we replied ... with sanctions. and our PR specialists are really great. From the very fact that the Turks attacked our plane, public opinion inside the country with the help of the media was skillfully shifted in search of a navigator. Thank God they saved the guy. but personally, I was sitting at the TV set (I try not to watch, but at this moment I think I can) and felt more and more that I was being fooled. there were NO our answers. and when I heard about the sanctions, I realized we were once again shown our place. and after a recent GDP conference ...
          1. armata37
            armata37 23 December 2015 16: 33 New
            0
            Good evening! I have a question: what actions would you take on the day when our Su-24 was shot down in relation to Turkey? what would you do?
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 23 December 2015 17: 16 New
              +4
              Quote: armata37
              what would you do?

              At least a complete gap in ALL diplomatic relations with the mining of the border strip of Turkey and Syria. This is in addition to the sanctions adopted. Well, the termination of the contract for the construction of nuclear power plants, the economic feasibility of which is equal to zero. Payback too long (50 years).
              1. theadenter
                theadenter 23 December 2015 19: 03 New
                0
                Чтобы заминировать - нужно иметь доступ к границе. "Все дип. отношения", насколько понимаю, разрываются только при состоянии войны.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 24 December 2015 09: 46 New
                  0
                  Quote: theadenter
                  To mine - you need to have access to the border.

                  Mining is carried out from the air. hi
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 23 December 2015 17: 10 New
            +1
            Quote: RBLip
            and after a recent GDP conference ...

            Yeah, tears.
            1. armata37
              armata37 23 December 2015 18: 39 New
              +1
              And why do you have tears after watching the recent conference of the president?
          3. Stas157
            Stas157 24 December 2015 17: 42 New
            +2
            Quote: RBLip
            but personally, I was sitting at the TV set (I try not to watch, but at this moment I think I can) and felt more and more that I was being fooled. there were NO our answers. and when I heard about the sanctions, I realized we were once again shown our place. and after a recent GDP conference ...

            I agree with you! When I tried to say this 2 weeks ago, they threw me with minuses! And claims, but what do you want war? Gentlemen, no, I do not want war! I live comfortably without war! But you need to defend yourself! Or do I not understand something in this life? Well, one plane was bombed, we didn’t answer, but if the second one was shot down? And if ten? From whom will we answer? We all do not want war here! Or maybe him ... Let the pilots fall!
        2. armata37
          armata37 23 December 2015 16: 31 New
          +2
          Well, since you and I here on the site understand that it’s as if we were specially invited there (to Turkey), then surely our General Staff also understands this, which means that we most likely will not play according to NATO rules.
    6. Eugene-Eugene
      Eugene-Eugene 23 December 2015 14: 50 New
      0
      теперь вот немцы и голландцы "Пэтриоты" забрали

      And when did the red-fighters succeed?
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 23 December 2015 15: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: Eugene-Eugene
        теперь вот немцы и голландцы "Пэтриоты" забрали

        And when did the red-fighters succeed?

        The article also indicates that they were replaced by the Spaniards.
    7. Juborg
      Juborg 23 December 2015 16: 47 New
      0
      Тут идёт какая то игра. США вывели свои "Патриоты" месяца два назад, под предлогом их модернизацию, теперь немцы делают тоже. Очередь за Нидерландами. Что дальше? Приглашение к войне с Турцией, ведь с вукраиной пока не выходит втянуть нас в региональную войну на выживание.
  2. evil partisan
    evil partisan 23 December 2015 13: 29 New
    +1
    what is suspected, chtoli? Or is it just rotation?
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 23 December 2015 16: 08 New
      0
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      what is suspected, chtoli? Or is it just rotation?


      Just the pragmatic Germans felt that Russia had firmly locked the air border of Syria with Turkey, their presence there was unnecessary and unnecessary costs for the maintenance of its air defense in turretchina. yes
  3. shans2
    shans2 23 December 2015 13: 30 New
    +8
    обычные "ТОЧКА У" легко уничтожают эти батареи на границе, и достают до ближайших аэродромов Турции прямо из Латакии
  4. Mercenary
    Mercenary 23 December 2015 13: 31 New
    +2
    "Видимо, сегодня в Берлине всех затерзали смутные сомнения относительно того, кто кому реального угрожает: Сирия Турции или наоборот?.."
    Не надо себя успокаивать, просто немцы поняли, что амерские хвалёные "патриоты" С-400 в подмётки не годяться, А реально сбить российский самолёт под прекрытием - пустая затея.
  5. Rostovchanin
    Rostovchanin 23 December 2015 13: 32 New
    10
    Nothing torments anyone. Some removed the others (the article states that the Netherlands batteries were also replaced). Turkey is for the West, now it’s such a splinter in Russia. It’s not scary, but unpleasant. And the west will use it to the maximum. Another played card of foreign policy, which the world gathers on more than one deck.
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 23 December 2015 19: 25 New
      0
      ? One correct analytical and adequate comment, !!!!!
  6. Aksakal_07
    Aksakal_07 23 December 2015 13: 34 New
    +3
    in Berlin, everyone was tormented by vague doubts as to who was threatening anyone: Syria, Turkey, or vice versa

    Another reason seems more likely to me: the Germans are afraid of being hit by a retaliatory strike by the Russian air forces in Syria after the next provocation of the Turks against our aircraft bombing the DAIShevtsy.
  7. knn54
    knn54 23 December 2015 13: 36 New
    +3
    But, at the same time:
    - Italy intends to deploy Patriot air defense in Turkey.
    -Spain, extend after January 1, 2016 (expiration dates of the previous agreement).
    - Denmark sends warships to protect Turkey from Russian missiles and to suppress the operation of the S-400 complex.
    -Germany is deploying Tornado aircraft at a military base in Incirlik to conduct reconnaissance flights in the region.
    -USA will continue to maintain the USS Donald Cook naval ship equipped with Aegis air defense systems and Tomahawk missiles in the region. This ship is able to protect Turkey in the event of an attack with ballistic missiles ...
    1. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 23 December 2015 13: 39 New
      +4
      .... This ship is able to protect Turkey in the event of an attack with ballistic missiles ...

      ... But this ochchchchchen is doubtful .... lol
    2. akmalinin
      akmalinin 23 December 2015 13: 40 New
      12
      This ship cannot protect itself
    3. Ze Kot
      Ze Kot 23 December 2015 13: 42 New
      +6
      Quote: knn54
      - Denmark sends warships to protect Turkey from Russian missiles and to suppress the operation of the S-400 complex.



      Do they have such ships?
    4. 79807420129
      79807420129 23 December 2015 13: 49 New
      11
      Quote: knn54
      But, at the same time:
      - Italy intends to deploy Patriot air defense in Turkey.
      -Spain, extend after January 1, 2016 (expiration dates of the previous agreement).
      - Denmark sends warships to protect Turkey from Russian missiles and to suppress the operation of the S-400 complex.
      -Germany is deploying Tornado aircraft at a military base in Incirlik to conduct reconnaissance flights in the region.
      -USA will continue to maintain the USS Donald Cook naval ship equipped with Aegis air defense systems and Tomahawk missiles in the region. This ship is able to protect Turkey in the event of an attack with ballistic missiles ...

      As Donald Cook defended Ukraine last year, the entire Black Sea saw and neighing for a whole month later. Minuses are not mine. fellow
      1. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 23 December 2015 14: 05 New
        11
        Quote: 79807420129
        As Donald Cook defended Ukraine last year, the entire Black Sea saw and neighing for a whole month later. Minuses are not mine. fellow


        Влад, я хоть и не военспец, но вот мне то же кажется, что как то этот "Дональд DuckКук", по моему сам себя не успеет защитить в случае реального шухера! Не везет ему с этим регионом, да и "Москва" не бирюльками наверно вооружена! angry
  8. Starik72
    Starik72 23 December 2015 13: 36 New
    +3
    Apparently in Germany, it began to reach the point that they had no contact with anyone. Let's look at further actions of the NATO alliance.
  9. Yuyuka
    Yuyuka 23 December 2015 13: 37 New
    +2
    немцы как никто представляют на что способен бесноватый фюрер (читай - султан) и никакого желания класть своих граждан на защиту "партнера", который может в любой момент поставить в "неудобную позу" у Германии нет, потому на словах "мы едины", но не до такой же степени!
  10. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 23 December 2015 13: 38 New
    +3
    And Germany is right; there is nothing to protect terrorists and their accomplices. Moreover, no one threatens Turkey except Erdogan.
  11. aszzz888
    aszzz888 23 December 2015 13: 38 New
    +1
    Yeah, it's NATO, like a swan, cancer and pike! wassat
  12. Pereira
    Pereira 23 December 2015 13: 39 New
    +3
    It is useless to guess. True motives, we still do not know.
  13. Sergey-72
    Sergey-72 23 December 2015 13: 44 New
    0
    There will be a rotation to another NATO member state, and the Germans will send their patriots for modernization.
  14. Tagan
    Tagan 23 December 2015 13: 44 New
    0
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Похоже, натовцы прямо-таки настойчиво приглашают Россию ударить по Турции, оставляя турков без современной ПВО. Недавно американцы свои истребители вывели, теперь вот немцы и голландцы "Пэтриоты" забрали..

    everything acquired by overwork in an armful, while the Russians did not accidentally abuse)))
  15. Olegater
    Olegater 23 December 2015 13: 48 New
    +3
    Well, if the Germans dumped, then this is not good. As correctly said Ami du peuple Amer .. Ikos has already piled farther from this place called Turkey. Only they (the west) do not invite Russia to strike at this place, but save their jo ..... apparently they have information that irresponsible Turks at the command of macaque from lice will aggravate the situation and go much further than a downed Russian plane. And it is possible for the Turks to end in serious trouble. It must be recalled that in Turkey there are not only German anti-aircraft batteries. These are also the batteries of the Netherlands (subsequently the Dutch air defense systems were replaced by Spanish) and the United States (two from each state) Well, it's just a bargaining chip in geopolitics and a little reassurance for a fart. The main thing is that there would not be a state of emergency in our territory. By the way, I’ve just read about the penetration of sabotage from 404 into Russia. So my opinion is that they will try to coordinate the crimes again, as last time, they will only act more sharply.
  16. gergi
    gergi 23 December 2015 13: 48 New
    +2
    NATO is a shobla of cowardly scum. The crowd of any weak frantic stomp
    will be.
  17. Belousov
    Belousov 23 December 2015 13: 53 New
    0
    Here you need to understand - they are taking out irrevocably or will there be a replacement? If the replacement is unclear why the noise was raised? If it is irrevocable, then at the direction of NATO or arbitrarily? The fact that Nato gave the order to withdraw arms from Turkey, I personally believe with difficulty. And the Germans have a thin intestine for a will. request
  18. Green1976
    Green1976 23 December 2015 13: 58 New
    0
    Maybe rotation? Ali are plotting something unkind, adversaries! With them it becomes, they just think how to play a dirty trick.
  19. Tagan
    Tagan 23 December 2015 14: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: Olegater
    ... By the way, now I read about the penetration of sabotage from 404 into Russia. So my opinion is that they will try to coordinate the crimes again, as last time, they will only act most sharply.

    they have already penetrated into Russia much more. here, individuals are simply hiding behind refugee status.
    у мелкого из числа прибывших "беженцев" спрашивают:
    - where is your folder when it returns?
    he answers:
    - when all the moskale will be killed in the Donbass, he will come immediately.
    remember the story of smoking blends when ukrov tied to sales. how much is bent on this business? the same diversion in its purest form.
    so this shit among the common people clambered above the roof.
    the main thing is to neutralize in time ...
  20. APASUS
    APASUS 23 December 2015 14: 08 New
    +1
    Despite the 5th amendment of the NATO treaty, the Germans do not want to clash with the Russian Air Force on the Turkish side, they do not want to be a bargaining chip. Whatever they say about the Turks and protect them, you don’t really want to fight for the business of the Erdogan family based on stolen oil and weapons. I think that Turkey can remain itself if something like Georgia 080808
  21. askort154
    askort154 23 December 2015 14: 12 New
    +5
    Not so simple. The army of Germany, like Turkey, is subordinate to the General Staff of NATO.
    А у натовского генштаба "ёжики" в голове от поведения Турции, которая уличена: в
    direct contacts with ISIS, in aggression against Russia, in the introduction of its Armed Forces in Iraq and the resumption of civil war with its Kurds. Now Turkey is a new headache for everyone.
  22. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 23 December 2015 14: 13 New
    +1
    His shirt is closer to the body. It's time to protect your own airspace.
  23. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 23 December 2015 14: 14 New
    +1
    The Germans do not want another Russian dryer to be shot down from their patriots in the event of another attack of Turkish schizophrenism.
  24. bad
    bad 23 December 2015 14: 15 New
    +3
    Germany exports its air defense system from the Turkish territory
    ... fried smell? ..
  25. salad
    salad 23 December 2015 14: 31 New
    0
    I feel the case am
  26. pts-m
    pts-m 23 December 2015 14: 44 New
    0
    Germans know what they are doing. Erdogash will take it in the heat of violence and not give up these complexes in spite of their protection. As the people say ... what has been in my territory for more than an hour is already mine ...
  27. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 23 December 2015 14: 51 New
    +3
    А Вам не кажется уважаемые, что и штаты и немцы тихонько убрали свои системы только по тому, что от них нет ни какого толку, наши РЭБ просто перекрыли им кислород. Америкосы так же убрали свои самолёты с базы в турции. Что то такое интересное намечается в Сирии в контексте выступления ВВП на коллегии МО РФ, где сказано было "мы многое имеем других систем" и можно подумать нужно их применять в Сирии, не дословно конечно, но смысл понятен.
  28. Dimachrus
    Dimachrus 23 December 2015 14: 56 New
    0
    Немцы народ прагматичный , плюс не стоит забывать о массах "беженцев" в Германии да и турков там хватало ещё лет 10 назад.
    This is on the one hand, and on the other - this is how the news about the next rotation of NATO air defense forces can be presented ...
  29. Kerzhak
    Kerzhak 23 December 2015 15: 09 New
    0
    The Germans are afraid that their property will be destroyed by our VKS?
  30. gg.na
    gg.na 23 December 2015 16: 17 New
    0
    If the mess starts then these same patriots what to do in this case ?! Answer??! (mess between Syria, Turkey, RUSSIA) They will answer further what ?! After their answer, it will be necessary to join the counter with RUSSIA ??! They already have enough of the sanctions that they went after the partners from behind a puddle against Russia and now they bite their elbows wassat And if there’s another answer from the patrites what oo-oo-oo-Oooo .... Here podzadumalis they turned their zrkashki yes to home drove quickly! But this is purely so my assumption! Fig knows it so ...? request
  31. Gilev georgy
    Gilev georgy 23 December 2015 18: 23 New
    -2
    In my opinion, the trend has developed. The provocation will be simple - they will bring down a Turkish plane. I don’t know if the military is civilian. They will say that it was Russians who shot down their own with 400. After all, there is no one else. They will bring down somewhere where it is impossible. Not over Syria
  32. HaKim
    HaKim 23 December 2015 20: 51 New
    0
    And in the picture, the cylinder is wrapped with a rag ?! Flowing what? Or does not hold at all ?!
  33. PatriotKZ
    PatriotKZ 24 December 2015 09: 13 New
    0
    Here it is true NATO in color, the hot smell of runuuuuuuut.