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We want, they do not want?Last Tuesday, the Russian Foreign Ministry accused Kiev of imitating the negotiation process about the postponement of Ukraine’s entry into the Free Trade Zone (FTA): Kiev was “dragging out rubber”, intending to put Moscow before the fact. And the fact is this: the trade and economic section of the Association Agreement with the EU enters into force on January 1 of the coming year, regardless of the outcome of these negotiations. There are accusations against the EU. Negotiators from Russia correctly raised questions, and the head of the EU delegation stood up with the words “the game is over,” the Russian president said.


Recall, the Association Agreement with the EU is a huge document, whose volume exceeds nine hundred pages of text. The document describes in detail the changes that Ukraine will have to make to its legislation. This includes the policy of customs tariffs, the procedures for introducing a visa-free regime, Kiev’s refusal of import duties on European goods and much more; There is no place or sense to list everything.

The tripartite talks that took place in Brussels on Monday (EU, Russia, Ukraine) ended in failure. From January 1 2016, as expected, Ukraine will enter the FTA with the EU. Russia, in turn, suspends the operation of the FTA with Ukraine.

As noted by RIA "News - Ukraine"After the meeting, European Trade Commissioner Cecilia Malmstrom stated that the EU, Ukraine and Russia were close to resolving problematic issues, but the Russian side did not show adequate flexibility. At the same time, she said that the introduction of Russian duties on Ukrainian goods violates the Minsk agreements.

The Foreign Ministry of the Russian Federation believes that the European Union and Kiev in negotiations with Russia on the consequences of the full entry into force of the association agreement between Ukraine and the European Union imitated the negotiation process and eventually brought it to a standstill. Reports about it Gazeta.ru.

“Our partners were engaged only in imitation of negotiations and obvious tactical manipulations designed to pull time and put Russia ultimately before the fait accompli: the trade and economic division of the SA enters into force on January 1 of 2016, regardless of the outcome of these so-called“ talks ”, - says the message of the Foreign Ministry.

Also in the Russian ministry said: Brussels tried to prove that the SA allegedly does not differ from standard free trade agreements. Kiev, in turn, tried to downplay the significance of Russian-Ukrainian economic ties and to outline the “bright prospects” that shine on Ukraine with the full opening of the internal market for goods from the EU. “The EU and Ukraine, by their intransigence, have brought the case to a negotiating impasse. As a result, an unprecedented problem situation has developed. For its rectification, the same unprecedented decisions were required, but neither Brussels, nor Kiev had neither, nor boldness, nor political will, nor diplomatic wisdom, ”the Russian Foreign Ministry emphasized. In addition, the ministry believes that "none of our partners were even going to negotiate and look for any compromises with Russia."

Expressed and Vladimir Putin.

According to him, Russia will continue its attempts to regulate relations within the framework of the EU-Russia-Russia-Ukraine triangle. “I think that we will return to these issues many times. We want to improve relations with our partners, and we want to establish relations with Ukraine on this topic (according to the trade regime) and with the European Union, ”he said. RIA News".

The President drew attention to one remarkable fact: when the negotiators from Russia fundamentally raised controversial issues, the head of the EU delegation stated that the “game was over,” got up and left.

“The game is over, and they left, and a press release was released today that the Russian delegation frustrated the negotiations,” said the Russian leader. According to him, "this is not very European, not at all tolerant."

Earlier, Alexey Ulyukayev, the head of the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade of the Russian Federation, spoke about the possible agreements between Ukraine and the European Union and the response of Russia. According to him, the abolition of the free trade regime between Russia and Ukraine from January 1, 2016, does not contradict WTO norms, and its impact on the Russian economy will be minimal.

"Of course not. This is in full accordance with the rules of the WTO ", - quotes RIA News" the minister “We calculated everything, the impact will be minimal,” he added.

Deputy Director of the Institute of CIS Countries Vladimir Zharikhin believes that there is no reason to talk about violations of international law by Russia. On the contrary, Ukraine violates its obligations within the CIS.

"Klimkin constantly replaces normal diplomacy with propaganda for domestic consumption," said the expert. "Free Press". - The Treaty on the Free Trade Zone of the CIS has an application 5, which clearly states that the country has the right to suspend the operation of this agreement in relation to the state, which creates unfavorable economic conditions for it. So Russia is acting strictly in accordance with this agreement. ”

Ukraine, according to the expert, violates this agreement. It states: when concluding FTA agreements with other states, the country should consult with members of the FTA CIS.

And Russia initially insisted on the implementation of this clause of the agreement and on consultations. However, Kiev did not want this.

As a result, contract law violates Ukraine, not Russia, the expert concludes. Ukraine has no reason to dispute the decision of Russia, since Moscow acts in accordance with an international agreement, which Ukraine itself has signed in due time.

Let us ask ourselves: will Russia suffer from the economic rapprochement between the EU and Kiev? Will suffer. But not as much as it might seem. There are already some predictions about this.

The possible damage to the companies of Russia from the association of Ukraine with the EU could exceed 3,5 billion dollars, but Russia's withdrawal from the FTA with Kiev minimizes it several times, said First Deputy Minister of Economic Development Alexei Likhachev, presenting the corresponding presidential bill to 22 in December.

"I would like to emphasize that 3,5 billion is a speech about the predicted losses of the Russian business community, entrepreneurs if we did not react in any way to the launch of the FTA of Ukraine and the EU," Likhachev quotes "Lenta.ru".

Likhachev also noted that Russia's partners in the Eurasian Economic Union understand and largely share the position of the Russian Federation on this issue.

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So, Kiev is moving farther from Moscow. Suppose that he will return to her "orbit", now the science fiction writer does not dare.

But not only Kiev moves away from Moscow. Politically and the European Union with their sanctions, statements in the spirit of "the game is over" and dancing to the tune of the United States. Despite the need for a common fight against world terrorism, which is recognized by many Western experts, it is practically impossible to overcome the differences between Europe and Moscow over Ukraine today.

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  1. Sharapov
    Sharapov 24 December 2015 06: 55 New
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    Believe Khokhlov-deceive yourself. It has long been time to remove them from the FTZ. Dill in the CIS does not really consist and has not been related to the FTZ for a long time.
    1. Dembel77
      Dembel77 24 December 2015 07: 34 New
      +6
      "game over"
      Well, in the next adventure of Ukraine, all the points are set. What's next? Admission to NATO? Military escalation? That’s what’s going on ...
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 24 December 2015 09: 15 New
        +8
        Quote: Dembel 77
        Admission to NATO?


        Or maybe declare the former Ukraine an enclave of Israel. Just the other day, Pan Padro (probably after a fair portion of viskar) stated in the Israeli Knesset that Jews were the smokers in the formation of the state of Ukraine, and no less, no more.
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        1. avdkrd
          avdkrd 24 December 2015 12: 29 New
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          Quote: Lelek
          Or maybe declare the former Ukraine an enclave of Israel. Just the other day, Pan Padro (probably after a fair portion of viskar) stated in the Israeli Knesset that Jews were the smokers in the formation of the state of Ukraine, and no less, no more.

          Так это секрет полишинеля. На сегодня в Раде 203 депутата еврея, что примерно половина, в правительстве еще больше. Не известно о какой дате создания "государства Украина вещал Пэдро в кнессете, то ли о 1918, то ли о 1991, да он и сам не знает.
        2. aba
          aba 24 December 2015 21: 57 New
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          Here the other day, Pad Pedro (probably after a fair portion of viskar) said

          What just do not go political simply to get their dividends!
        3. Aleksandr Tot
          Aleksandr Tot 26 December 2015 18: 25 New
          -1
          Lelek.
          Infu about the Jews.
          You will be surprised.
          Starting from the three brothers who were shoved everywhere in northern Africa, in the Sinai (for forty years they couldn’t get anywhere even in the Sahara) by their abilities and antisocial tendencies, and “ordained” by themselves to be like “solvers”, looking on the Earth for the right cash flows.
          The Torah is an opus for the demented.
          Lelek, there are definitions of ethnos, nation, people. Well, there is no option for the Jews.
      2. Thronekeeper
        Thronekeeper 24 December 2015 10: 08 New
        +1
        Ukria in NATO? Despite the fact that the EU has just sent it ON but not that ...
        Soon expulsion from the IMF, WTO, and then from the UN,
        а там... Как пилить "Леопард-3" с "Арматой" договорятся. И даже с ляхами и венграми.
        But the question is - why do we all need it?
    2. 79807420129
      79807420129 24 December 2015 07: 34 New
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      And maybe it’s enough to endure the undisguised rudeness and arrogance of all these slaves of the whales of the whales, I won’t talk about the territory of 404, from the horses of the slaves only the gag reflex remained, and even Europe, Europe, tolerance, tolerance, which to jesters tolerance of slaves and lackeys knelt before striped pah. And we will throw beads before lackeys and persuade them, so that shameful lackeys would not have gone into the forest.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 24 December 2015 08: 10 New
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        Quote: 79807420129
        Europe, tolerance, tolerance to jesters tolerance slaves and lackeys knelt before striped pah. And we will throw beads before lackeys and persuade them, so that shameful lackeys would not go into the forest.

        Заявления в духе "Game is over" свидетельствуют только о невысоком интеллектуальном уровне европейских переговорщиков.
        And when the Minsk agreements are woven into the economic block of issues, it is worth thinking about the responsibility of the EU-speaking heads.
        Суммарно всё говорит о тупике, в который забрели европейцы в своих попытках преподнести страну 404 как образчик современной демократии. Таким образом ЕС гладит по головке умирающий Бандеростан и успокаивает хунту словами "Мы с вами.... ВесьМирЗаВас..." wassat
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 24 December 2015 08: 19 New
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          Quote: stalkerwalker
          Заявления в духе "Game is over" свидетельствуют только о невысоком интеллектуальном уровне европейских переговорщиков.

          They are simply annoyed that Russia was not able to be thrown in the same way that the United States succeeds in throwing the EU with the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP). As it is, they were pulled, and these narrow-minded Russians did not want to be pulled, and yet everything was so beautifully conceived. smile
          1. Apsit
            Apsit 24 December 2015 11: 47 New
            +2
            Quote: Vladimirets
            but everything was so beautifully conceived.

            That's for sure, the idea was not bad. And the profit is calculated, but here such a bummer.
            1. kotvov
              kotvov 24 December 2015 12: 01 New
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              . And the profit is calculated, but here such a bummer. ,,
              it’s not only in this bummer. They already considered Crimea their patrimony, and then they snouted at the trough. ORDINARY, YES.
            2. lis-ik
              lis-ik 24 December 2015 13: 06 New
              +2
              There are gaps in the EAEU sphere, our allies are not going to stop duty-free trade with the ruin, and there, of course, everything will fall to us, and in principle they count on that.
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          2. specialist
            specialist 24 December 2015 18: 52 New
            +2
            Тут дело вот в чем. Год или два тому назад Путин разослал европейским лидерам письмо, в котором говорил, что не плохо было бы и Европе поучаствовать в украинских экономических проблемах. А то как власть там менять, так все в первых рядах, а как реально деньгой помочь - так это как бы вотчина России. На этих переговорах ЕС полагал, что Россия по старинке на все закроет глаза, будет поддерживать "братский народ" (себе в убыток), а сами они (ЕС) будут снимать сливки. Но почему-то не вышло, думали, что опять "выразим озабоченность" и на все согласимся. Сейчас решение РФ неизменно, оттого такая желчь в нашу сторону и льется. ИМХО.
        2. samuil60
          samuil60 26 December 2015 22: 50 New
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          А какого заявления от женщины ждать? Всем знакома фраза:"Не надо мне ничего говорить, я все поняла!" А поскольку главой делегации была дама, то другого ответа ожидать было трудно - раз не по-моему, тогда никак. И вся евродипломатия сейчас строится на этом же женском принципе - международный феминизм в действии!
      2. cniza
        cniza 24 December 2015 08: 11 New
        +2
        Likhachev also noted that Russia's partners in the Eurasian Economic Union understand and largely share the position of the Russian Federation on this issue.


        They stuck their tongues in one place, and on the sidelines they understand everything well, well ...
        1. Rostov Papa
          Rostov Papa 24 December 2015 11: 31 New
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          Quote: cniza
          Likhachev also noted that Russia's partners in the Eurasian Economic Union understand and largely share the position of the Russian Federation on this issue.


          They stuck their tongues in one place, and on the sidelines they understand everything well, well ...


          You are not quite right, evrazes know how to count money and our partners also have manufacturers who need to be protected. Here Old Man quickly realized where the wind was blowing.
      3. Burmistr
        Burmistr 24 December 2015 08: 18 New
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        Funny, the duty is only 6% !!!!
        What kind of protection for the Russian economy can we talk about?
        1. Cap.Morgan
          Cap.Morgan 24 December 2015 08: 48 New
          +1
          Rich people, of course, do not look at the price of goods.
          But any reasonable consumer takes into account even the percentage of the price. Sometimes this saves a considerable amount.
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 24 December 2015 09: 15 New
            +2
            the head of the EU delegation stated that the “game is over”, got up and left.

            Для ЕС это всё игра? Всё в игрушки играем, "господа хорошие"? А для нас это жизнь и весьма нелёгкая. Играйте тогда без нас в своей песочнице, только вот интересно, будет ли там место для Украины? Или ей отведена уборка "собачьих какашек" с этой песочницы?
    3. marlin1203
      marlin1203 24 December 2015 09: 17 New
      +2
      Пока не хлебнут этого европейского "счастья" полной ложкой, все равно ничего не поймут.
    4. meriem1
      meriem1 24 December 2015 11: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Sharapov
      Believe Khokhlov-deceive yourself. It has long been time to remove them from the FTZ. Dill in the CIS does not really consist and has not been related to the FTZ for a long time.



      Да они изолгались уже!!! Но особо "радует" то, что всё это нарушает Минские договорённости!!! Интересная хрюхня. Хотят рыбку съесть и косточкой не подавится.
    5. nemets
      nemets 24 December 2015 11: 23 New
      +1
      by and large - yes, it’s practically not composed, especially after the outbreak of war in the Donbas. In general, it’s necessary to start talking with Europe and with dill and FSA more strictly, otherwise no one will put us in any way.
    6. onix757
      onix757 24 December 2015 21: 23 New
      +1
      But among Crimeans, faith in the Russian Federation will quickly disappear with such an attitude:
      The Russian State Duma adopted a bill allowing to recover debts from Crimeans to Ukrainian banks.
      As reported on the website of the State Duma of Russia, for bill No. 955915-6 “On the features of repayment and extrajudicial settlement of debt of borrowers living in the territory of the Republic of Crimea or in the territory of the city of federal significance of Sevastopol, and amending the Federal Law“ On protecting the interests of individuals, having deposits in banks and separate structural divisions of banks registered and (or) operating in the territory of the Republic of Crimea and in the territory of the city of federal significance of Sevastopol ”

      PS From which fraction of the voters I hope to explain unnecessarily and so it is clear
      1. mashine
        mashine 25 December 2015 02: 25 New
        -1
        What did you think? I bought a house on a mortgage and do not have to pay?
      2. Glukashin
        Glukashin 25 December 2015 03: 11 New
        +2
        And where is it about debts to Ukrainian banks?
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  2. AX
    AX 24 December 2015 06: 56 New
    +2
    Dumb and Dumber...
  3. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 24 December 2015 07: 04 New
    +6
    Negotiators from Russia correctly posed questions

    Interestingly, for the questions that Madame threw up from the chair. One can only guess.
    1. sa-zz
      sa-zz 24 December 2015 07: 24 New
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      Quote: Mikhail M
      Interestingly, for the questions that Madame threw up from the chair. One can only guess.

      Они уже опубликовали на своих ресурсах "шесть мифов о ЗСТ с окраиной", односторонний взгляд не имеющий ничего общего с "партнёрством".
      А встать и уйти с переговоров заявив "игра окончена" - это вообще "не либерально и не толерантно".
    2. Dilshat
      Dilshat 24 December 2015 09: 08 New
      +2
      The impudence of the West knows no borders. With the help of their puppets they drive Ukraine into bondage to sell the remaining strategic assets, tear it away from Russia and, moreover, want Russia to pay for it. Here I recall Pushkin's fairy tale: And I want the goldfish to be in my premises !
      1. avdkrd
        avdkrd 24 December 2015 12: 33 New
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        Quote: Dilshat
        Here I recall Pushkin's fairy tale: And I want the goldfish to be in my premises!

        I don’t even know whom to correlate with the Old Woman - either Europe is emigrated by the emigrants, or Ukraine, which has already remained without a trough))))
  4. stayer
    stayer 24 December 2015 07: 05 New
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    At the same time, she said that Russia's introduction of duties on Ukrainian goods violates the Minsk agreement.

    Interesting logic, how are the Minsk agreements violated and in what clause (of agreements) is it written?
    1. udincev
      udincev 24 December 2015 07: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: stayer
      Interesting logic, how are the Minsk agreements violated and in what clause (of agreements) is it written?

      The logic is simple
      (quote from an article on Putin's statement)
      In his opinion, "this is not very European, not at all tolerant."
      It must be understood that not only Ukraine, but together with Europe, dance to the tune of striped. Not up to European tolerance when the hegemon commands.
    2. sa-zz
      sa-zz 24 December 2015 07: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: stayer
      how are the Minsk agreements violated and in what clause (s) is it written about?

      Они теперь каждую "дырку" будут к "Минску" привязывать, так как зазвучали мнения об отмене санкций(слово то какое придумали). Потому как, если не прописано, но нада, они начинают заниматься "философией". По философии в принципе все взаимосвязано.
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    1. Sober
      Sober 24 December 2015 07: 46 New
      +3
      Суды -тоже с ихней "логикой". Там все просто решается, как в басне Крылова: ты виноват уж тем , что хочется мне кушать. Только сейчас звучит так: Ты виноват уж тем , что ты Россия! И все с честными-пречестными глазами.
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Generally interrupt any relationship and everything through the court!
  6. Igor39
    Igor39 24 December 2015 07: 05 New
    +5
    Неправильное название точнее " Мы не можем,они не хотят" Запад привел своих политиков во власть Украины и увел ее в свою политическую и экономическую орбиту,это я считаю чисто наш проигрыш и когда теперь мы вернем ее обратно неизвестно,даже если сейчас у Украины будут трудности,со временем она войдет в европейскую экономику и оторвать ее будет невозможно.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 24 December 2015 07: 33 New
      +5
      Quote: Igor39
      I consider this to be purely our loss, and when now we will return it back, it is not known, even if Ukraine now has difficulties, it will enter the European economy with time and it will be impossible to tear it off.

      Никогда не говори "никогда". И, при всем уважении к автору, попробую быть писателем-фантастом. как-то все всё больше о "глобальном". А если попроще? Вы посмотрите, что с погодой творится. На Украине сплошь плюсовая температура, снега нет, уровень воды в реках сильно понизился, а это уже тревожный сигнал. При таком смещении снег может летом выпасть (если по месяцам посчитать) И придет и Украина, и Европа с протянутой рукой в Россию...за хлебушком, за водичкой. Так что все "прелести" еще впереди.
      1. revnagan
        revnagan 24 December 2015 11: 46 New
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        Quote: Egoza
        In Ukraine, all-plus temperature, no snow

        Климат меняется...В России в Питере вон тоже плюсовая температура.В Сибири недавно тоже "плюс".А в Африке и Японии-снега и морозы...И что,плакать нам?Чем теплее зима,тем больше можно сэкономить энергоресурсов.Летом снег-это едва ли...При тех квотах,что установил ЕС на украинские продукты внутренний рынок будет переполнен,так что посмотрим,куда кривая вывезет.В том же Израиле вон нормальной зимы нет и в помине,и урожай три раза в год снимают,и с водой не в пример Украине-напряг,а умудряются свои продукты даже за границу продавать.Сельское хозяйство России,Украины и Белорусии находится в т.н."зоне проблемного земледелия" из-за климата.Но если климат станет мягче,зимы-теплее-это только плюс.
    2. oracul
      oracul 24 December 2015 08: 31 New
      +5
      Не стоит приписывать себе вину, которой нет. Россия была в "диком" положении и долго "выцарапывалась" из него, при этом всячески стараясь усыпить бдительность "друзей" - партнеров. Получилось. Украина же вкупе с ЕС всячески старалась урвать побольше в надежде, что Россия рухнет.Халявы не получилось. Отсюда и истерики. Переговоры имеют шансы на успех лишь тогда, когда стороны готовы к взаимным уступкам, чего со стороны как Украины так и её патронов (ЕС и США)не наблюдается. Для нас любые переговоры - выигрыш времени, которого нам адски не хватает.
      1. Teplohod
        Teplohod 27 December 2015 08: 35 New
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        Переговоры имеют шансы на успех, когда силы сторон равны, в противном случае просто нет смысла долго слушать слабого, а потому "Game is over!" Тут один выход - заставить считаться со своим мнением.
    3. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 24 December 2015 08: 53 New
      +2
      But it is not clear WHAT will they enter the European economy?
      Poles share potato market share?
      Will Airbus move and buy Ana actively?
      In my opinion, Ukraine can only supply girls to Europe, and even that ...
      1. Extraneous
        Extraneous 24 December 2015 12: 19 New
        +1
        But it is not clear WHAT will they enter the European economy?


        And they should not be included in anything. The EU is not going to let them go there. Everything is conceived in such a way as to harm Russia as much as possible. Hohland is just a bargaining chip. Not more. This is evident in all post-Soviet western republics. They received nothing good from the EU.
  7. Decathlon
    Decathlon 24 December 2015 07: 05 New
    +5
    Все,абсолютно все вокруг нас нарушают т.н."международные правила"! Порой у меня возникает огромное желание,чтобы мы тоже один раз нарушили эти "правила",но только так,чтобы потом от этих "правил" осталась одна пыль подкопытная!
  8. hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 24 December 2015 07: 07 New
    +7
    Can still twist the valve slightly? I do not pretend to be a cool specialist in this area, but something needs to be done. It’s painfully fluffy we look lately!
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 December 2015 07: 08 New
    +5
    Совершенно не стоит переживать по поводу "отцепления" Укропии от нашего экономического пространства. Ну ничего мы у них не забыли. А вот они скоро и язык забудут. А ЕС - это такая ЕС - совершенно забюрократизированная организация. В общем, скакуны этого добивались? Пусть и едят, ложку им побольше.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 24 December 2015 09: 00 New
      +2
      They speak Russian. Mova is a stillborn project like Ukraine itself, before the Russians arrived there, there were uninhabited steppes, Tatar hunting grounds.
  10. Stoler
    Stoler 24 December 2015 07: 08 New
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    We are present at the Historical event- Hammering the last nail into the coffin of the Ukrainian economy. crying Maidan is their judge. crying
  11. Riperbahn
    Riperbahn 24 December 2015 07: 09 New
    +2
    If we could incur losses of 3,5 billion, but we won’t suffer (according to Ulyukaev), then who will suffer them? Really memorable Yuropka? :) Or on the shoulders of the 404th shift?
  12. inkass_98
    inkass_98 24 December 2015 07: 13 New
    +2
    Today, overcoming the differences between Europe and Moscow over Ukraine is practically not possible

    It is necessary to resolve the cause of the disagreement, i.e. The ruin. This is not a matter of one year, but only the reorganization of the territory and the brains of the local population can lead to a normalization of relations.
    На самом деле, противоречия между Россией и странами ЕС (каждой в отдельности) отнюдь не неразрешимы. Это они в куче такие "страшные" и упертые, а когда дело доходит до разговора "в темном месте у теплой стенки", то все у нас с ними хорошо, договариваться получается. А все потому, что своя рубашка всегда будет ближе к собственному телу, чем мифические "общечеловеческие ценности", применяемые почему-то только в отношение избранных стран и народов.
  13. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 24 December 2015 07: 17 New
    +7
    the Russian side did not show the necessary flexibility

    Those. did not bend down to the west and refused to sponsor Ukraine in the field of trade relations. So how much money can you throw away? The West was even afraid to give Russian guarantees for the Ukrainian debt, but here again the Russian side is to blame. In a word - you all went far and without stopping. Tired of it.
  14. Masya masya
    Masya masya 24 December 2015 07: 20 New
    +7
    "руководительница делегации ЕС заявила, что «игра закончена», встала и ушла." Вот пусть идут... лесом! Украина це Европа, вот пусть и платит как Европа...
  15. parusnik
    parusnik 24 December 2015 07: 29 New
    +3
    To suppose that he will return to her “orbit”, nowadays a science fiction writer will not risk either. I’m not a science fiction writer, but I dare to assume that he’ll return, but it will not be soon .. And there is reason for this ... The territory of the so-called Ukraine .. it is the territory of Russia .. Little Russians, Great Russians, one people .. Russians ... Earlier, there were also attempts to integrate .. Little Russia into Europe in the 15th, 16,17, 20 centuries. We are connected by centuries-old cultural, economic ties .. The process will be long and difficult .. The history repeats ..
  16. Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 24 December 2015 07: 30 New
    +7
    the abolition of the free trade regime between Russia and Ukraine from January 1, 2016 does not contradict WTO rules,

    And the main gendarme, oh, made a slip of the tongue, the chief democrat of planet Earth said that it was contrary.
  17. Zomanus
    Zomanus 24 December 2015 07: 32 New
    +6
    Well then. Let Ukraine fully experience European life.
    More precisely the life of the European maidservant.
    And now, to establish relations with Russia,
    From January 1, Ukraine will have to ask Europe for all permissions.
    And for some reason it seems to me that she will not receive permission for everything.
    1. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 24 December 2015 10: 17 New
      0
      The fact is that the people of our outskirts are now slurping to the fullest and there it will begin that our 90s will seem like an easy resort!
  18. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 24 December 2015 07: 54 New
    +1
    It’s just that the authorities need to understand that ukroina is not our partner, and apparently they will never be anymore.
  19. press officer
    press officer 24 December 2015 07: 54 New
    +4
    Quote: stayer
    At the same time, she said that Russia's introduction of duties on Ukrainian goods violates the Minsk agreement.

    Interesting logic, how are the Minsk agreements violated and in what clause (of agreements) is it written?



    Так они не читали "минские соглашения" fool но были полностью уверены, что как только Окраина уйдет от России подальше, то мы все равно будем ее по "братски" кормить! yes Т.е. "без нас, нас женили!" Ага щас! No. And let us begin to feed all the poor! yes Видать привыкли, что меченный и ЕБН готовы были бы так и делать, только слава богу, теперь их нет с нами! И кормить "не братьев" мы не планировали,и не собираемся! good Geyropa took a bunt, let them feed them herself! yes
    П.С. А слова "игра окончена" это конечно полный ...лохматый зверек! negative To go nuts of impudence how much! negative
  20. Alice
    Alice 24 December 2015 07: 59 New
    +9
    Even before this Ukraine was tired, I’d like to say, let them go wherever they want. They have already got it. In general, I think that you shouldn’t try to return them. Whoever betrayed him will betray him all the time. They will , after the collapse of the USSR, they went through confrontation with Russia, inventing some kind of their own stories, changing something, and so on. And not for the better. And if you consider how stubborn they are, they are not accommodating, so in general, I think, why should Russia pull them? Restore their country ?. But there is not only the smell of recovery. First of all, brains need to be cured. And our state is so humane, democratic. Why do we need this tamed chaos. Stalin is gone and never will be. Only he could handle it.
    1. brumgilda81
      brumgilda81 24 December 2015 08: 27 New
      0
      History repeats itself, more than once. Everything that they just wrote was already there. I will repeat more than once it was, as mentioned above in the 15th, 16th, 17th centuries. I’m only afraid of one thing: that all this will happen more than once negative
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 24 December 2015 12: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: brumgilda81
        History repeats itself, more than once. Everything that they just wrote was already there. I will repeat more than once it was, as mentioned above in the 15th, 16th, 17th centuries. I’m only afraid of one thing: that all this will happen more than once

        It will be, but not that ... While Ukraine is striving to become one of the poorest countries in Europe such as Bulgaria or Moldova, only worse
    2. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 24 December 2015 09: 08 New
      0
      The only question is who is in power there.
      The number of Russian-minded citizens of Ukraine is very large.
      Politics is not a place where children’s lips are puffed up and toys and pails are shared.
      Countries such as Uraina, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Poland, Serbia, and even Germany may well be in the sphere of Russian influence as closest friends and allies.
      It is only necessary to change the cattle in power there. This is very difficult. But it is quite possible.
      Then the telly and the school teacher will do their job.
      1. Avtopilot
        Avtopilot 24 December 2015 12: 24 New
        0
        I personally know such pro-Russian citizens. She is married in Moscow, her brother has been in the ATO for a year, and before the war in Tyumen he insulated windows and walls with a brigade. Wait, demobilized and again to your earnings.
        1. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 24 December 2015 13: 23 New
          0
          ATO participants were denied entry, as far as I know.
          1. Avtopilot
            Avtopilot 24 December 2015 13: 27 New
            -1
            2 State Duma deputies filed an application with this proposal, I don’t think that the law has already been passed, otherwise all the media would shout that in the Russian Federation there’s
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    3. operator_75
      operator_75 24 December 2015 09: 37 New
      +2
      I would put 100 pluses. If your hand sinned against you, cut it off and throw it away from you, for it is better for you that one of your members perish, and not your whole body ...
    4. revnagan
      revnagan 24 December 2015 11: 51 New
      -3
      Quote: Alice
      He who betrayed time will betray constantly.

      Exactly. Najibullah and Milosevic tell about it ...
  21. pts-m
    pts-m 24 December 2015 08: 10 New
    +3
    No discount kahlam. Independent state. Hence all the actions. When we buy in a store, we don’t bargain. Since all buyers are equal to each other.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 24 December 2015 09: 17 New
      -1
      And we are not in the store.
      We are at the poker club.
      Politics is not made a sledgehammer.
  22. cniza
    cniza 24 December 2015 08: 12 New
    +2
    Quote: cniza
    Likhachev also noted that Russia's partners in the Eurasian Economic Union understand and largely share the position of the Russian Federation on this issue.


    They stuck their tongues in one place, and on the sidelines they understand everything well, well ...
  23. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 24 December 2015 08: 14 New
    +2
    Yes, just an FTA would be a nice bonus for them, if that. Well, it didn’t work out. So Ukraine, like other eastern European countries, plannedly fastened to the EU and all.
  24. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 24 December 2015 08: 24 New
    +4
    I remembered an old joke
    - Ukraine refused gas benefits. - And I did it right, because you still have nothing to pay, but how nice it is not to give Russia instead of, say, two billion all four.
  25. ibu355yandex.ru
    ibu355yandex.ru 24 December 2015 08: 31 New
    +1
    «игра закончена» - самое честное заявление еврочиновников за последнее время. Оно очень точно определяет любые отношения ЕЭС с Россией - игра, направленная на развал последней. Пора и нам задуматься о прекращении подобных игр с нашими "партнерами" не только в Европе, но и в мире. А то уж слишком мы доверчивы, верим, что все вокруг порядочные, как и мы сами!
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 24 December 2015 09: 14 New
      +2
      Are you not interested in hockey?
      Imagine the first half is over and you lose, well, for example, 2-0.
      After which you say, well, that's enough, let's’t go to the field anymore ....
      Although how many times it happened that they came out of more difficult situations successfully and with benefit for themselves.
      НИКУДА "ПАРТНЁРЫ" НЕ ДЕНУТСЯ.
      They will come running to the next round of negotiations as nice.
      1. AdekvatNICK
        AdekvatNICK 24 December 2015 10: 06 New
        0
        the example is somewhat unsuccessful, then in hockey in this situation the team that refused to go to the ice is awarded a technical defeat. And here it turns out a draw.
  26. gla172
    gla172 24 December 2015 08: 44 New
    +9
    """"«это не очень по-европейски, совсем не толерантно».""""
  27. afrikanez
    afrikanez 24 December 2015 08: 50 New
    +2
    EU delegation leader said the game is over, got up and left
    Damn it, they even cannot answer the questions posed. What else can we talk and negotiate with them. Well, can terrorism be defeated with such European politicians? No way! fool
  28. cap
    cap 24 December 2015 09: 56 New
    +3
    "Президент обратил внимание на один примечательный факт: когда переговорщики от России принципиально поставили спорные вопросы, руководительница делегации ЕС заявила, что «игра закончена», встала и ушла."

    “The game is over and they left, and a press release was released today that the Russian delegation disrupted negotiations,” the Russian leader said. In his opinion, "It's not very European, not at all tolerant."

    Ну вот что тут можно обсуждать? То что "два козла" (ЕС,Украина) хотят пролезть в чужой огород. Получили по рогам."Таки, а што ви ожидали?" hi С "праздником пармезана" Вас господа,и бывшие товарищи! wassat
  29. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 24 December 2015 10: 03 New
    +1
    Rada today plans to consider the 2016 state budget and draft amendments to the Tax Code

    who has information where to watch it live? I think the hack will be tough))
  30. Vadim
    Vadim 24 December 2015 10: 12 New
    +2
    Кончена игра, не кончена, согласен, что вся эта хрень с Украиной достала. Останется не останется, попросит не попросит толку от этой ромашки (гадания) ни какого. Если раньше не понимали, что это "наша сфера влияния" и отдали страну под чужое влияние, хрен-ли сейчас злорадстовать или ждать, что все одумаются и переобуются. Больше прогматизма, больше думать о себе, о своей стране опираясь не на эмоции, а на реальную аналитику, и делать свое дело не смотря ни на кого и не на что.
  31. ML-334
    ML-334 24 December 2015 10: 19 New
    0
    I want to dream a little: 2016, the revolution in Ukraine, a referendum, Ukraine’s entry into Russia.
  32. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 24 December 2015 10: 50 New
    0
    Ukrainians used the FTA in the CIS before only partially - where it is beneficial to them; it was necessary to ask them toughly for a long time, or to expel them from the FTZ. They think that they are trickiest of all. It didn’t work out.
  33. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 24 December 2015 11: 05 New
    +3
    Protect your market and your economy by any means! And do not care how many foreign citizens suffer from this. Here is the only way to survive in today's environment. And do not care what is contrary there, WTO or something else ... I do not care! We are already under sanctions, why should we ..?
  34. antifa
    antifa 24 December 2015 14: 03 New
    0
    Well, you can provide yourself with products? CAN. And you don’t need the rest from dill.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 24 December 2015 18: 42 New
      0
      Quote: antifa
      Well, you can provide yourself with products? CAN. And you don’t need the rest from dill.

      I’m afraid soon Ukraine will not be able to feed itself.
      Demonstrators in the Ukrainian capital brought a coffin with pig carcasses to the parliament building. So people are protesting against the budget for 2016.
      The demonstrators are sure that the main financial document of the country next year will inflict a mortal blow on the agricultural sector of Ukraine ... Note that the deputies cannot accept the budget of Ukraine for 2016 for three weeks now. The Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk threatened to deprive the people's deputies of the New Year and Christmas holidays in case they do not approve the document in the near future.


      Read more on NTV.Ru: http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1586958/?fb#ixzz3vFl6IbQE
  35. Comrade Zapirdulin
    Comrade Zapirdulin 24 December 2015 14: 53 New
    +1
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    Quote: 79807420129
    Europe, tolerance, tolerance to jesters tolerance slaves and lackeys knelt before striped pah. And we will throw beads before lackeys and persuade them, so that shameful lackeys would not go into the forest.

    Заявления в духе "Game is over" свидетельствуют только о невысоком интеллектуальном уровне европейских переговорщиков.
    And when the Minsk agreements are woven into the economic block of issues, it is worth thinking about the responsibility of the EU-speaking heads.
    Суммарно всё говорит о тупике, в который забрели европейцы в своих попытках преподнести страну 404 как образчик современной демократии. Таким образом ЕС гладит по головке умирающий Бандеростан и успокаивает хунту словами "Мы с вами.... ВесьМирЗаВас..." wassat

    I completely agree with you, I would like to add, by the expression Russia was not flexible enough in the negotiations, it should be understood that Russia did not bend !!!

    how many wolves do not feed, but the elephant has a genital organ ... thicker (from the diary of a young naturalist)
  36. trantor
    trantor 24 December 2015 15: 50 New
    +3
    God is with her with Ukraine, although he is not with her. But over the past couple of decades (starting with Gorbachev) my vocabulary of obscene and related words began to replenish: perestroika, new thinking, the era of stagnation, a common European home, consensus, partner, tolerance, liberal ... Where are we going? smile
    1. ltc35
      ltc35 24 December 2015 20: 00 New
      0
      There we go. I hated Gorbachev from the time when I myself sat on the airfield at BMDhe ...
  37. wandlitz
    wandlitz 24 December 2015 17: 05 New
    0
    European Commissioner for Trade Cecilia Malmström stated that the EU, Ukraine and Russia were close to solving problematic issues, but the Russian side did not show the necessary flexibility. At the same time, she said that Russia's introduction of duties on Ukrainian goods violates the Minsk agreement.
    Well here again. We are talking about Thomas, and they are about Yeryoma. What about the Minsk agreements?
  38. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 24 December 2015 18: 56 New
    0
    Gangrene. Cut or save?
  39. T-73
    T-73 24 December 2015 20: 10 New
    0
    Мы нарушаем всё, мы не договороспособные, мы виноваты, мы,мы и только мы. Крылов писал ещё когда - "Неча на зеркало пенять, коли рожа крива". Это не оскорбление. Констатация фактов, которые так не любят в 404 и гейропе. Ёлки поставьте, детишек своих порадуйте. Смех и грех. Трусливые толерантные .... промолчу, учат нас (и не страшно ведь) жить. Да мы вертели ваши требования, паче вашего чаяния. Нашли чем пугать ежа (одного оставили - остальных, каемся.... выпустили)
  40. tehnokrat
    tehnokrat 24 December 2015 23: 32 New
    0
    "...Несмотря на необходимость a common борьбы с мировым терроризмом, что признают многие западные эксперты, сегодня преодоление разногласий между Европой и Москвой из-за Украины практически не представляется возможным."

    You must protect yourself from world terrorism.
    Let Geyrope leave all her baubles like gays, tolerance and refugees, let him bargain with Erdogan,
    so that he could take these more without lace panties.
    And to work for yourself, each at his own workplace!

    Let's be honest, finally, at least to ourselves: what we had with Europe general? Какая общая борьба? А теперь у них уже снова "Mein Kampf"!
  41. atakan
    atakan 25 December 2015 02: 26 New
    +1
    gotta get out of all these weird organizations
    -, they are like a web, and were invented precisely for our pacification.
  42. arsenks
    arsenks 25 December 2015 04: 43 New
    +1
    For that fought for it and ran...
  43. Aandrewsir
    Aandrewsir 26 December 2015 17: 11 New
    0
    Ну, раз великие украинцы терпят выходки яйценюхов-торчинов-потрошенок и отморозков-нацистов, то, значит, выбрали свой "счастливый американский путь" и скоро "начнут процветать". А нам, по-моему, давно пора прекратить "терпеть американо-еврогейское хамство и чванливость" и сказать им, что, мол, не хотите нормального партнёрства, так "прощевайте", без ваших нравоучений обойдёмся. Есть Азия, Латинская Америка и Африка. Ну и ЕАЭС. А великим украм, конечно, "счастья привалило". Теперь украинцы и укрихи совершенно свободно могут поехать в гейропу и счастливо работать там вместе с прибалтами разнорабочими, прислугой, попрошайками и шлюхами. Счастливого пути вам, великие украинцы! Обратно в друзья "не набивайтесь". Грызите своё еврогейское счастье широко открытым ртом"!
  44. Zhnec
    Zhnec 26 December 2015 18: 58 New
    0
    Quote: Thronekeeper
    Ukria in NATO? Despite the fact that the EU has just sent it ON but not that ...
    Soon expulsion from the IMF, WTO, and then from the UN,
    а там... Как пилить "Леопард-3" с "Арматой" договорятся. И даже с ляхами и венграми.
    But the question is - why do we all need it?

    What do you mean why? What about land? And who, after a couple of blows in the face with an officer’s boot, will wake up a patrimonial memory and they will again become quiet and docile as under the Poles? ...