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Flame-throwing machine gun installations could increase the efficiency of the tank in the conditions of the settlement and mountainous terrain

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In Russia, there are already achievements on the creation of flamethrower and machine gun installations for those in service tanks. The layout of such an installation was demonstrated this fall at the Days of Innovation exhibition in the Central District, which was held in Yekaterinburg, Lev Romanov said in his article for Messenger of Mordovia.


Flame-throwing machine gun installations could increase the efficiency of the tank in the conditions of the settlement and mountainous terrain


A variant of the system was installed on the model of the T-72A tank.

“A quad container with an 12,7-mm flamethrower RPO-A or RPO PDM-A is mounted above the commander's hatch next to the standard NSVT large-caliber machine gun (93 mm). The mass of this container is about 70 kg, ”the author writes.



Depending on the task, thermobaric ammunition can be used, which can hit the enemy's manpower on an area up to 400 square. m, or incendiary, hitting the enemy in the area to 280 square. m. Range of flamethrowers - from 1000 to 1800 m (depending on version).

In addition, “to create smoke screens in service, there is a modification RPO-D - in case of salvo shooting, the enemy can be blinded in the square to 400 square. m, the author notes.



If necessary, the commander has the ability to freely use a NSVT machine gun, whose firing range is about 2 km.



“Military experts acquainted with the development of the Saratov State Technical University. Yu.A. Gagarin, noted that tanks armed with such an installation would be able to operate more effectively during operations in populated areas, during the storming of field fortifications, as well as in battles in mountain-desert terrain, ”writes Romanov.
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  1. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 23 December 2015 11: 36
    15
    Tanks in general can, in principle, be endlessly equipped with new equipment. Flamethrower systems are a very interesting area.
    1. jjj
      jjj 23 December 2015 11: 43
      +6
      Flamethrower tanks performed very well in Afghanistan. The tankman told such a tank that after a shot a fireball rolls uphill, burning everything in its path: enemy machine gunners, grenade launchers, pack animals with cargo. But it turned out that the weapon - not humane, falls under the convention. And refused to use it
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 23 December 2015 11: 57
        13
        Quote: jjj
        But it turned out that the weapon - not humane, falls under the convention. And refused to use it

        And who said - Westerners ?! Inventors of cluster munitions, lighter bombs, napalm and orange ?!
        How peaceful they become when their opponents have the same weapon systems !!!
        And now the matter is moving towards recognizing nuclear weapons as "inhumane"!
        Probably because the West has a "high-precision" weapon that hits hospitals, water pipes and road equipment from the first call!
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 23 December 2015 18: 15
          -1
          Starover z

          Conventions must not be violated. This is a serious matter. True to those who use non-conventional weapons, it is extremely disgusting, this is a sacred thing.

          The paradox, however.
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 23 December 2015 12: 16
        +4
        Does that mean they’re killing you, but you can’t? An interesting approach. And what difference does it make you kill. What kick on an owl, what an owl on a stump. And in Yugoslavia, they also argued?
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 23 December 2015 18: 19
          0
          Ros 56

          In the Middle Ages, those who carried the "flamer" sword. This is a sword with a wavy blade. So these fighters were executed with extreme cruelty in torment. Since the sword is a flamer, it was unconventional. But because the wounds from this sword left rotting non-healing foci, in contrast to the sword with a straight blade.
      3. Hon
        Hon 23 December 2015 12: 42
        0
        Quote: jjj
        Flamethrower tanks performed very well in Afghanistan. The tankman told such a tank that after a shot a fireball rolls uphill, burning everything in its path: enemy machine gunners, grenade launchers, pack animals with cargo. But it turned out that the weapon - not humane, falls under the convention. And refused to use it

        It looks like a bike. many types of weapons are prohibited by conventions, but are used, and nothing is heard about tanks. were flamethrowers, but in them the usual jet flamethrower was installed.
    2. vkl-47
      vkl-47 23 December 2015 11: 46
      +5
      in fact, this is a 4-barrel reduced “pinocchio.” It is possible to make remote control. That would not expose the commander to sniper attacks. In general, I see this device on the BMPT. Ideally, it would be like that. 1 or 2 paired 57mm guns. 4 anti-tank Karnet-d missiles and 2 installations of these thermobaric missiles (that is, 8 pieces) .that this would be a real TERMINATOR. oh yes and a 14.5mm machine gun
      1. Now we are free
        Now we are free 23 December 2015 12: 08
        15
        I put the article plus simply because I remembered the guys of the tankers who died in the gorges of Afghanistan and in Grozny ... BUT speaking specifically on this 4-barrel device for starters, it would not hurt to equip all the tanks with a REMOTE-controlled ZPU of 12,7 caliber -NSVT / KORD all Syrian tankers are already shouting about it (Before that, the Soviet / Russian shouted in the same Afghanistan and then in Chechnya). Caliber 12,7 is enough to work out the upper floors of brick / panel skyscrapers - mountain slopes. That's just the threat of a sniper / shrapnel as it was and remains ... If necessary, you can replace 12,7 with 14 mm KPVT ...
        With regards to the RPO installed on the tank, yes, there is a sense, BUT only installed, it should be really in a pair with the ZPU -I saw the "Spirit" in the attic, gave a turn from 12,7 and added a couple of RPOs in the windows of the attic in order to "polish" ... The meaning of introducing RPO as a separate element of armament does not have any because the tank will turn into a parody Shush-Panzer from "WarHammer", especially in Russian tanks there are 3 crew members and not four as in Western ones, each crew member counts ...

        The device is needed, but tanks in the city / mountains without adequate cover by infantry / BMPT are already wrong and RPO is not a panacea to solve a problem that was initially set incorrectly. The tank is a Tank, for work in the city / Highlands there is a BMPT / TBTR. As mentioned above, equip all the tanks of the Russian Federation with remote-controlled ZPU -that then all the tankers will sincerely tell you -THANKS!
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 23 December 2015 12: 21
          16
          Quote: Now we are free
          BUT speaking specifically on this 4-barrel device, for starters, it would not hurt to equip all the tanks of the REMOTE ZPU caliber 12,7 -NSVT / CORD

          Absolutely to the point, Iskander.

          And then:
          ... It looks impressive, solid weapons, the level of destruction ...
          HOW TO APPLY THAT ?????????????????????????
          Get out of the hatch again and ....
          I’ll make my own repost made two years ago:
          .........................
          Not only does the commander literally give up control of the tank, leaving himself a gunner and a mechanic, not only does he stopudovo risk like a daredevil, but he also plays a circus performance called: “And why haven’t you yet riddled me, muffs , I’ve been hanging around on stage a lot of time, performing a stupid dance in front of you called “Preparing ZPU Utes for shooting”.
          See for yourself:
          - Tilt the door back onto the stopper.
          - Put the inner shoulder strap with TKN-3 on the stopper.
          - Remove the middle shoulder strap from the stop lock from the stop and rotate the installation towards the enemy.

          (To accelerate, we shoot without using a sight, and we will assume that the box is already fastened, the tape is laid in the receiver, the fuse is off, the machine gun is cocked - this is how we violate the safety rules).

          - Disconnect the cradle.
          - Turn the vertical flywheel with your right hand, locking it with your fingers with the lever on the flywheel handle.
          - With the left hand holding the extended lever, with a force we turn the device horizontally and stop it with the whole hand, pressing this lever down, and ...

          Attention drum roll ...

          Without changing the position of a single muscle (!!!) of the hands, with the fingers of the left hand, we press the lever of the electric trigger. If you do not reach the desired "shooter", then repeat the horizontal lead again.

          Even a trained tanker will mess around long enough for him to be guaranteed and spanked several times. A newcomer will not be able to understand the intricacies of leverage at all, and he always lacks one, third, hand.

          If for some unknown reason you remained alive, then you need to perform this procedure in the reverse order. Otherwise, the “Cliff” trunk will fly up to the heavens, and the average shoulder strap will dangle from side to side, respectively, you can forget about trying to see something through TKN-3.

          ............................

          As these experts already got ... well, climb on your own with the T-72 and try to joke around with such a setup, especially with RPO.
          To pull the rope to fire the flamethrower? And keep the rope in your teeth? Hands that will be busy ... Also, avoid the "jet" ...
          How much can you repeat:

          NO TKN-3 EXITS FOR CONNECTING EXTERNAL EQUIPMENT. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO MANAGE REMOTE WITH IT (!!!).
          First, replace the CAM with a monitoring and control device, and then hang on it at least a mammoth tusk with the head of a Gorgon.

          Some kind of pretzel pyelipets ...
          recourse
          1. TELEMARK
            TELEMARK 23 December 2015 13: 48
            +3
            I copied the comment myself with pleasure, so as not to forget, the process of firing with a ZPU, by the way, on the T-80BV it is almost the same and this, despite the fact that it is already closed in the T-64BV ZPU!
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 24 December 2015 02: 40
              0
              Quote: TELEMARK
              not to forget, the process of firing with a zpu, by the way, is practically the same on the T-80BV, and this is despite the fact that the T-64BV zpu is closed!

              Duc is all Memory, radish ...
              hi

              I could not immediately answer, work, eat her mosquito.
              The point is not even the ZPU itself, but that they are going to "hang" on it.

              1. A container with 4 Bumblebees weighs heavily. And how will the average run of the ZPU react to this matter? And the inner shoulder strap with TKN-3? And ... I understand, forget physics - bullshit science.
              2. Photo to the article - look HOW are the middle and inner shoulder straps of the command tower located? ... On the T-72, when working with the ZPU, the inner shoulder strap with the TKN-3 is ALWAYS locked in the POSITION BACK. Those. when firing with NSVT (container with Bumblebees), TKN-3 should rest against the commander's back.
              3. How is it that HOW does the author of the idea propose to play with flamethrowers?
              And the point is not that the commander sticks out, the point is ... but is it a naughty thing?
              - the right hand on the VN flywheel, fingers hold the stopper.
              - the left hand on the GN lever, fingers near the laced arm of the cliff electric trigger.
              That's all, there are no more hands and fingers.
              And the quadruple PU Bumblebee is mounted precisely on the ZPU, and not welded next to the armor (well, yes, why weld to the armor when the whole control system is already near the anti-aircraft fire from the tank, we understand the tea - still 21 century in the yard).
              Nui how to ... naughty?

              I offer options:
              - poke a button with your nose (you can use your forehead as well, it’s in a hat - it’s more reliable),
              - with your teeth, pull the rope tied to some kind of trigger or, at worst, a bracket.
              - offer the gunner not to engage in any shit, and turning off the tank’s FCS to help out - pop out of the hatch and press on some kind of pretzel, dumbing from Bumblebee, or else ... the commander’s hands are already numb.

              Laugh laugh, and:
              - the center of mass of epaulettes will have to be reviewed and strengthened,
              - re-lock locks or ... photos at the exhibition are still bullshit?
              - the left lever of the GN ZPU will have to do the SECOND lisped lever of the electric trigger. One for NSVT (Cord), the other for Bumblebees.

              And this ... modernization of the 21 century ???
              Yes, she will not live more than one job in Syria.

              I do not know what kind of "military" approved this Martian device ...
              If my fuel oil colleagues were at the "Innovation Days" at Ekb, they would definitely put it briefly ..., like comrade Lavrov.
              Eheh ...
              request
        2. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 23 December 2015 12: 34
          0
          remotely controlled ZPU -that then all the tankers will sincerely tell you -Thank you!
          I would add a PCT paired with it. You will not turn the tower to the upper floors, and the gunner should be used only for heavy purposes. And NSVT / CORD may be redundant.
        3. goose
          goose 23 December 2015 12: 41
          +2
          Quote: Now we are free
          If necessary, 12,7 can be replaced by 14 mm KPVT.

          He's pretty big. I would add a remote mount with a 7,62mm or 30mm grenade launcher, and leave the ZPU in manual mode. This is probably more optimal for the T-72 / T-90. A ZPU with such a "fool" as NSV will be too big to ensure stability and speed at the pickup angles.
      2. goose
        goose 23 December 2015 12: 38
        +1
        I don’t know, I wouldn’t hang these containers directly above the tower, there is liquid inside, extremely combustible. If only on the side or something.
        1. Hon
          Hon 23 December 2015 12: 52
          +1
          Quote: goose
          I don’t know, I wouldn’t hang these containers directly above the tower, there is liquid inside, extremely combustible. If only on the side or something.

          flamethrowers usually use thermobaric shots, they are the most effective. there is a special aerosol, it flashes and burns instantly
        2. gladcu2
          gladcu2 23 December 2015 18: 32
          0
          goose

          So they are also heavy. To pile such a square block onto a spiked tower and bolts and blocks of dynamic protection?

          Better, I'll be a cook.
      3. gladcu2
        gladcu2 23 December 2015 18: 25
        -1
        vkl-47

        And set the arrow of the crane on the tower so that the crew can shoot.

        What a wise guy will shoot from a 70 kilogram grenade launcher. It will be necessary to recharge it back. And drag 70 kg to the roof of the tank, this is my friend, we must have a very persistent character.
    3. max702
      max702 23 December 2015 11: 54
      +4
      The direction of thought is correct, but the implementation at the level of the kindergarten, the commander needs a module of the "crossbow" type through which he will monitor the battlefield, armed with 7.62 and AGS, if you are very hunting, you can put 7.62 instead of 12.7, and a couple of armored boxes for ATGM, MANPADS or "Bumblebees", these cells should be universal. But if the box is not an obligatory option, then a stabilized module with a thermal imager, and of course, electronically coupled to the tank's BIUS is required, the issue of weapons can be worked out endlessly, which was not put there, but spark 7.62 ( large BC) and AGS (the ability to work along the hinged trajectory) look the most optimal.
      1. ICT
        ICT 23 December 2015 17: 59
        0
        Quote: max702
        it’s a stabilized module with a thermal imager, and it’s self-coupled by electronics with the tank’s BIU,


        here recently the manager watched


        and again I didn’t understand who had paranoia at the armor of NATO tank forces OR AT ME (hook on the modern version lol )
    4. Hon
      Hon 23 December 2015 12: 36
      +2
      it’s easier to add a new shell to the tank than to fence a garden on it
      1. Artyom
        Artyom 23 December 2015 17: 40
        0
        I also think it's time to do thermobaric ammunition for the tank!
  2. corporal
    corporal 23 December 2015 11: 36
    +7
    And this thing does not detonate over your head from a random tracer?
    1. sa-zz
      sa-zz 23 December 2015 11: 47
      +7
      Quote: Corporal
      And this thing does not detonate over your head from a random tracer?

      The same thought arose that the sniper would use a "lighter" to hit this block.
      Let the tank be the tank, and the TOS will be the TOS working under the guise of other BMs.
    2. yanus
      yanus 23 December 2015 11: 48
      0
      Quote: Corporal
      And this thing does not detonate over your head from a random tracer?

      It may catch fire, but this is not a problem for a tank.
      Plus, she's wearing an armored jacket.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 23 December 2015 11: 56
        +5
        Quote: yanus
        It may catch fire, but this is not a problem for a tank.

        Then a bottle of Molotov's coteail is not a problem at all? smile
        1. Hon
          Hon 23 December 2015 12: 44
          0
          Quote: Bayonet
          Then a bottle of Molotov's coteail is not a problem at all?

          modern tanks are protected from this, no longer a problem
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 23 December 2015 16: 02
            0
            Quote: Hon
            modern tanks are protected from this, no longer a problem

            Will we try? Only chur, I'm outside smile
            1. Hon
              Hon 23 December 2015 16: 56
              0
              Starting with the T-55, the Soda napalm protection system
    3. yanus
      yanus 23 December 2015 11: 48
      0
      Quote: Corporal
      And this thing does not detonate over your head from a random tracer?

      It may catch fire, but this is not a problem for a tank.
      Plus, she's wearing an armored jacket.
  3. venaya
    venaya 23 December 2015 11: 36
    +3
    A useful thing, it is important that crew members are protected from defeat.
  4. seos
    seos 23 December 2015 11: 37
    +6
    I wonder what is the probability of the survival of the tank crew during the detonation of this crap ...
    1. Hon
      Hon 23 December 2015 12: 45
      +1
      Quote: seos
      I wonder what is the probability of survival of the tank crew with the detonation of this crap.

      if hatches are closed 100%
    2. goose
      goose 23 December 2015 12: 46
      0
      Quote: seos
      I wonder what the probability of survival of the tank crew during the detonation of this crap ..

      This crap does not detonate, but burns
      1. Hon
        Hon 23 December 2015 22: 08
        0
        This crap dates, there is a volume explosion
  5. gray smeet
    gray smeet 23 December 2015 11: 37
    0
    To Syria and there to see ...


    But seriously, if - our military - tankers, what do they say about this?
  6. seti
    seti 23 December 2015 11: 39
    13
    As for me, an open turret on a tank is another reason to lose the commander of a combat vehicle. Since it is he who will shoot from this turret. Turret is useful in urban settings who argue. Yes, only the experience of Donbass and Syria shows that even without it it is perfectly possible to do enough to work in tandem with BMP. That is, the tank shoots sniper at the target and immediately leaves, the BMP covers with fire from grenade launchers and enemy snipers. The main weapon of the tank is its cannon-launcher, well, and a remote machine gun for defense in close combat. And everything else just bothers. To do this, there are other machines that are sharpened for their tasks.
    Well, I’ll add that there is already a completely new T-14 tank. There is also a T-90AM tank, worked out over the years. And as we see everything is already remote there and people there do not stick out in vain .. The soldier needs to be protected - he told me more expensively Suvorov. A trained soldier even more so.
  7. Hubun
    Hubun 23 December 2015 11: 44
    0
    In my opinion, a very effective upgrade
    1. Conscience
      Conscience 23 December 2015 12: 00
      0
      shit shit
  8. Editor
    Editor 23 December 2015 11: 47
    +1
    and if the grenade launcher is remotely controlled ???

    the question is the detonation of a binary charge above the tower ... with hatches closed
  9. McLuha-MacLeod
    McLuha-MacLeod 23 December 2015 11: 47
    +1
    By the way, the Syrians are very asking for bumblebees, flies and other similar animals, which is very effective in urban areas
  10. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 23 December 2015 11: 50
    +1
    The most important thing is not done - remote control for all this.
  11. Documentary
    Documentary 23 December 2015 11: 52
    0
    Quote: seti
    As for me, an open turret on a tank is another reason to lose the commander of a combat vehicle. Since it is he who will shoot from this turret.

    Correct if I am mistaken, is the control of a machine gun not remote?
    1. Hon
      Hon 23 December 2015 12: 48
      0
      not everyone
      Quote: Documentary
      Correct if I am mistaken, is the control of a machine gun not remote?
  12. Conscience
    Conscience 23 December 2015 11: 58
    +3
    sheer crap - if the tank is in urban areas and they fire at it from the upper floors - he’s a big cop.
    it’s not easier to make a vertical shot in the tower - well, for example, thermobaric charges - when flying to a height of 3-4 floors, an explosion occurs - I think no one will survive - even in the depths of the rooms.
    Designers take on development - so far good.
  13. kit-kat
    kit-kat 23 December 2015 12: 00
    0
    Explain, please, experts, is not all attachments vulnerable in battle? It seems to me that attachments are easily disabled by small arms. Why not integrate the main units into the tower?
    1. corporal
      corporal 23 December 2015 12: 13
      0
      Quote: kit-kat
      Why not integrate the main units into the tower?

      There is already crammed enough, there is nowhere to turn around.
  14. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 23 December 2015 12: 13
    0
    Firearms and machine gun installations could increase the effectiveness of the tank in a settlement and mountainous area (according to experts)

    It is better to have fewer of these "could", "will", "planned", etc. There is a rare opportunity to test this installation just in such but combat conditions. Why not use it (naturally, without advertising it) and, if expectations are confirmed, take it into service!
  15. Ros 56
    Ros 56 23 December 2015 12: 23
    +5
    And why did you come up with the Terminator?
  16. DenZ
    DenZ 23 December 2015 12: 57
    +1
    And why did you come up with the Terminator?

    I read my thoughts directly. This is all nonsense (retrofitting a tank). I want to go to the city - forward on BMPT - enough for the vast majority of tasks in the city.
  17. Gray 43
    Gray 43 23 December 2015 13: 09
    0
    Maybe another Iskander will be attached to the tank? Realistically bring the tank to mind and you don't have to hang anything
    1. Dimon-chik-79
      Dimon-chik-79 23 December 2015 13: 34
      0
      what is cool laughing )))
  18. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 23 December 2015 13: 41
    0
    A bit of fortune
    "Invincible" T-72 sent to the troops
    The Omsktransmash enterprise, which is part of the Uralvagonzavod NPK, has sent the last batch of modernized T-72 tanks to the troops, the UVZ press service reports.

    http://rg.ru/2015/12/18/tank-site.html
    Apparently, the budget brainchild of Serdyukov under the name T72B3 is being classified in such a way, but the most remarkable thing about this news is that this is the last batch of tanks! With what all of us are apparently congratulated!
  19. iouris
    iouris 23 December 2015 14: 01
    0
    It is suspicious that while everything is in the subjunctive mood - the war is already underway. It is impossible to advance without means of preventive protection: tanks will be knocked out.
  20. Manul
    Manul 23 December 2015 14: 04
    0
    Quote: Hon
    it’s easier to add a new shell to the tank than to fence a garden on it

    How much easier? I tried to search the Internet for at least some kind of thermobaric artillery shell. Have not found. Maybe they do not exist in nature?
    Although in VO in one of the articles I found the following
    At present, ammunition of volumetric explosion has become widespread in the armies of many states, including the countries of the Middle East. Ammunition assortment includes hand grenades, rocket launchers, guided missiles, artillery shells, rockets and aerial bombs.
    http://topwar.ru/29511-konstruktivnye-uyazvimosti-osnovnoy-boevoy-mashiny-aoi-me

    rkava-mk4-prodolzhenie.html Who would enlighten on this issue, are there thermobaric shells for guns? request
    As for the main topic of the article, I agree with the supporters of remote control.
    1. Hon
      Hon 23 December 2015 14: 11
      0
      Quote: Manul
      How much easier? I tried to search the Internet for at least some kind of thermobaric artillery shell. Have not found. Maybe they do not exist in nature?
      Although in VO in one of the articles I found the following

      they simply do not exist, use high-explosive only. but to make is not a problem, this is not some kind of smart and super-sophisticated ammunition
  21. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 23 December 2015 14: 16
    +1
    Why not modernize the Terminator a little by equipping it for battles in the city with containers with RPO-A or RPO PDM-A flamethrowers instead of Attack (or together with ATGMs)? Things are two of the same quadruple.
    1. magician
      magician 24 December 2015 04: 59
      0
      why upgrade? to make a thermobaric shell under its launchers will be much cheaper. For Tula, this task is not difficult.
  22. Leeder
    Leeder 23 December 2015 14: 43
    0
    Quote: Hon
    flamethrowers usually use thermobaric shots, they are the most effective. there is a special aerosol, it flashes and burns instantly

    Only mixed with oxygen!
    For example, gasoline itself does not burn, but gasoline vapors burn.
    1. Hon
      Hon 23 December 2015 22: 13
      0
      It’s not a matter of burning, the thermobaric charge explodes, at first an instant atomization then an explosion occurs, due to the high pressure and temperature everything burns out in hundredths of a second, the effect is like a pressure cooker, vacuum bombs work similarly, only they have low pressure
      1. podgornovea
        podgornovea 25 December 2015 14: 16
        0
        With all due respect, there are no vacuum bombs!
  23. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 23 December 2015 15: 42
    +1
    It is more useful in a tank, in the mountains, in the city, to have a mortar.
    After all, you can’t lift the gun up much.

    The mortar is also very accurate, and the return is taken by the mass of the tank.
  24. podgornovea
    podgornovea 25 December 2015 14: 21
    0
    I always thought that the tank was imprisoned for other purposes, but it turned out that way — to enter a dense urban area and use the windows and attics to naughty RPO of which there are already 4 pieces! Cool trolley for RPO turn out! Maybe all the same BMPT was created for this? A mixture of snake with porcupine is obtained.