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Where will White Russia swing?

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It is customary to think of Belarus as a calm, stable country. Is it possible that there will be a misfortune similar to the Ukrainian one? Does it have its own "zapadenschina"? Do not they treat the Russians like brothers? Unless behind the "Batka" is not worth welcoming, hardworking people, the closest to us?



Panorama of the evening Minsk

BELARUSIAN SCAR

Belarus is not so homogeneous in the national and religious sense. For nine and a half million inhabitants - almost one million Russians and three hundred thousand Poles. Eastern Belarusians are difficult to distinguish from the Russians, and Westerners to the Poles and Lithuanians. About one million Catholics, about four million Orthodox. In a word, the people are by no means monolithic, several subethnos adjoin it.

And there is a “zapadenschina” there in the pro-Polish, pro-Catholic Grodno region, as well as the adjacent areas of the neighboring regions. There is also a kind of Belarusian “Donbass” - Polotsk, Vitebsk, Mogilyov region.

The body of the country is cut by a deep scar. It has existed for a long time, although it is not striking. At any moment, it can expand, turn into a crack, or even into a precipice that can split into two seemingly prosperous Belarus.

For the time being, the edge lived in a delicate balance. The east of the country and the west had different cultural ideals, different codes of national identification. But by all indications, the balance has recently been broken. The pendulum went in the direction, in many respects not coinciding with the vector of movement of Russia, the Russian people, Orthodoxy.

IN THE EAST - "MOSCOW-TATARS"!


A significant part of the Belarusian intellectualism is infected with the ideas of "a more decisive separation from the Eastern barbarians," that is, from the Russians. From the pages of the media, from the radio, on the web, statements in the spirit flow: “We need to recall the European traditions of our country! We have always opposed the Moscow invaders!

We are the salt of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, the bridge between Europe and Asia! And Moscow is part of the Horde, the center of despotism, Asiatic! In the blood of Belarusians - liberty unfamiliar to the Russians! Enough for us to be outcasts in the world community, we must do historical the choice in favor of freedom and Europe ”...

You can even hear this in relation to Russia: "Her characters are not ours, her culture is not ours." The historical truth is as follows: World War 1812 and the First World War swept over the lands of Belarus, and its citizens participated in hostilities as part of the Russian Empire, and many natives of White Russia became famous as true brave men, skilled warriors. But now the descendants of St. George's gentlemen say: “These are not our wars! Russia has involved Belarusians in completely unnecessary hostilities! ” And even: "Your great-grandfathers fought on the wrong side ..."
The scar is getting deeper ...

“Do you want to set up a museum in Smorgon places generously drenched in blood when Russia and Germany fought here?” - they ask again from an enthusiast who is ready to invest in the project with his own money, time and knowledge. - Not relevant. This is not our war! ”

This has not always been the case. Under “early Lukashenko,” the Great Patriotic War was the alpha and omega of Belarusian history, about which he repeatedly spoke out publicly. At a certain distance from it, the beautiful features of the ancient Russian principalities were visible. Ancient cities, the center of the mighty reign of Polotsk, illuminated by the figure of the great holy scribe Kirill Turovsky, a whole scattering of highly developed ancient city centers, whose roots go back to the soil of Holy Russia, - this is what was clearly stated in the textbooks.

Now, in school and university textbooks, chapters devoted to the Grand Duchy of Lithuania are growing by leaps and bounds. The territory of the present Belarus was part of it from the XIV to the XVIII century. And the further, the more Belarusian historians say, what kind of grace it was!

It does not matter that religious tolerance in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania is a myth, no matter that the Orthodox, up to the high-born magnates, were impressed with political rights; no matter that the Polish gentry intervened in the management of the Russian lands; it does not matter that the southern borders of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania were poorly defended from Tatar raids. But - Europe! Euro ...

And there are signs that the state - not "kitchen" groups of opposition intellectuals, namely, government structures - is increasingly deviating from the previous course in the same direction.

It's not just textbooks that matter; the “Lukashenka’s” policy in culture and education provides real facts confirming this turn. For example, “war of monuments” - this is how the Belarusian journalists called this phenomenon. She certainly would not have happened without the participation of officials. After all, it is “people with portfolios” who decide who, where and when the monument is being erected.

WAR OF MONUMENTS

Not far from Minsk City Hall in ancient times was a monument to Emperor Alexander II. He, of course, did not survive the Soviet era. The question of his restoration was raised several times, but a refusal came "from above". But now there is a monument to Minsk Vojta (the head of the magistrate).
At the foot of Vojta is the plan of Minsk of the XVI century, the times of the city belonging to Lithuania. In two steps, a sculpture “Urban Scales” recently appeared, dedicated to an event of five centuries ago - the endowment of Minsk with Magdeburg law. Both the voite and the three characters of the “City Scales” are dressed in such a way that if they appeared in the center of Warsaw, no one would have caught in the shades of Belarusian antiquities.


Vitebsk is the capital of the Belarusian “Donbass”. Photo nach. 1980's

In the summer of 2014, the local authorities erected a monument to the Lithuanian prince Olgerd in Vitebsk. Nobody thought much about the fact that Olgerd executed Christians for faith in Vilna: the equestrian statue of a pagan obscurantist was placed directly in front of the Resurrection Church.

This should be understood as a warning? Moreover, its meaning is apparently twofold: not only the Russian Orthodox Church, but also the Russian government should feel the thrill of horror. Olgerd fought with the Moscow principality several times and even reached the walls of Moscow, where, however, he broke off his teeth ...

It seems that the spiritual inspirers of the action are ready to lead the Belarusians in the vanguard of the “crusade” on Moscow!

Residents of Vitebsk protested in the media, and wrote in the name of Alexander Lukashenko. Here is an excerpt from their letter published in 2013:
“Dear Alexander Grigorievich! We appeal to you as citizens of the Republic of Belarus, representatives of various public organizations. We are concerned about the plans to install a monument to the Lithuanian Prince Olgerd in the city of Vitebsk. Olgerd has no relation to the Belarusian people. He is the aggressor and apostate, as well as the invader, who constantly fought with all his neighbors, destroying cities and killing civilians. As a cruel villain of Russia, he is remembered in Russian history. The evil horror left Olgerd in the history of Christianity. The Orthodox Church honors the memory (April 27) of the Lithuanian holy martyrs, subjected to a painful death on his orders. In the light of these immutable facts, the question naturally arises: what motives are guided by the initiators of the installation of the monument, what goals are pursued? Has anyone thought that the installation of a monument to the villain of Russia and the torturer of Christians can be offensive to the citizens of the Republic of Belarus - not only Russians by nationality and not only Orthodox Christians? ”


The Western Dvina is the main waterway of White Russia

The result: the authorities ignored the indignation of citizens, the monument was erected. The author of the monument, Sergei Bondarenko, told reporters that he had some work in the image of the first Grand Duke of Lithuania, Mindovg, whose sculpture they plan to install in the Belarusian city of Novogrudok.
Whatever the monument, further along the path of "Litvinization" of Belarus ... Aside from our common history and the exploits of its heroes.

For example, the monument to Alexander Suvorov was rejected. Just like the monument to Saint Equal-to-the-Apostles Princess Olga, many years ago the locals appealed to the authorities to establish it in Vitebsk ...

It is easy to understand that Belarusians are trying to inculcate such a variant of cultural identification that will tear them away from Russia, the Russian world as a whole, and for the future - from Orthodoxy. But “Litvinsky” is welcome, i.e. feeling of kinship with the state, which was the "true Europe", even if it was deaf and remote.

RUSSIAN DREAM


And what about Russia? How does she react to the erosion of Russian culture from her nearest neighbor? What is the response to the creation of a multi-million Belarusian people of new cultural identification, in something obviously hostile? What actions does it take in order to defend in the minds of the Belarusians and Russians living there the spiritual springboard of our brotherhood, friendship, and our cultural and historical intimacy?

And Russia is napping! Occasionally he will send some respected musicians to Minsk with a concert program, take part in a book exhibition, and that’s all. Russian government structures do not seem to notice the colossal daily struggle going on the field of information confrontation in Lukashenka’s power, they don’t rush to support the friends of our country, they don’t repulse its ill-wishers. We haven’t even created up to this time any serious media center that constantly, day after day, hour after hour, would explain the policy of Russia to Belarusians, give comments on controversial issues, defend the closeness of our cultures, historical and spiritual proximity.


St. Sophia Cathedral in Polotsk

Now they talk a lot about the manifestations of "soft power". In other words, about winning the minds, acquiring positive public opinion, cultural expansion. That would be nice! But…

Our bear is mighty, but it hurts like to sleep in a den, sucking on its paw. And his dream can interrupt either spring, or hunters who have lined the den from all sides.

The current position of Russia regarding the processes taking place on the Belarusian land resembles the image of one of the characters in the Garage, a comedy by Eldar Ryazanov. While the members of the garage cooperative argued, quarreled, put up, defended their rights, he peacefully napped in the corner. In the end, it was he who got all the trouble.

We overslept Ukraine, including because of our former lethargy and passivity, blood is being shed there. And why? Yes, because the “partners”, who are actually opponents, managed to change the mentality of many people, especially young people, without life experience and proper knowledge.
It would not have slept and White Russia! We need new losses, a new enemy in the place where he did not exist and could not have been a quarter of a century ago? And then our bear will wake up, having heard the bark of another pack of evil dogs at the entrance to the den, will come out, roar, but only God knows if he will cope with the new scourge.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 23 December 2015 18: 57 New
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    What are the specific recipes to avoid the Ukrainian scenario?
    1. herruvim
      herruvim 23 December 2015 19: 02 New
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      Lukashenko is not the whole Belarusian people, let him release T-shirts with his image and then everyone will see his true rating
      1. MIKHALYCH1
        MIKHALYCH1 23 December 2015 19: 19 New
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        Remember the song ..? Belarus withstood and will survive with Russia of course! drinks Heroic people!
        1. _Vladislav_
          _Vladislav_ 23 December 2015 20: 13 New
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          Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
          Remember the song ..? Belarus withstood and will survive with Russia of course!

          It's great that you remembered about it)) Thing.
          I like this one drinks
          1. MIKHALYCH1
            MIKHALYCH1 23 December 2015 20: 23 New
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            Quote: _Vladislav_
            Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
            Remember the song ..? Belarus withstood and will survive with Russia of course!

            It's great that you remembered about it)) Thing.
            I like this one drinks

            The vast expanses of the USSR .... Go anywhere in the country (there were cheap transport tickets) and they will receive you! There was time ...
            1. _Vladislav_
              _Vladislav_ 23 December 2015 20: 51 New
              +6
              Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
              The vast expanses of the USSR .... Go anywhere in the country (there were cheap transport tickets) and they will receive you! There was time ...

              My father says the same thing, and my grandfather - so, yes. Alas, I didn’t find the time ...)

              hi
              1. hedgehog in the fog
                hedgehog in the fog 23 December 2015 21: 15 New
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                Do not believe those who say that Belarus is divided into Western and Eastern, it is divided into Minsk and the rest, and all the Svidomo trash is in Minsk, it is not in Grodno or in Brest, there are no people to suffer garbage, you need to feed families and pennies to loot. in Minsk, Natsik go to rallies and processions and wear European flags, and Western Belarus saw Europe in a coffin, because we often go there and see the lives of ordinary people with our own eyes, and not with pictures from the BBC or Euronews
                1. ruskih
                  ruskih 23 December 2015 21: 29 New
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                  Well done, hedgehog. I fully confirm your words.
                2. Asadullah
                  Asadullah 23 December 2015 22: 25 New
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                  it is divided into Minsk and Ostolny, and all the Svidomo trash sits in Minsk, it is neither in Grodno nor in Brest, there are no people to suffer garbage, it is necessary to feed families and pennies


                  Именно так уважаемый! автор как с дуба рухнул, еще приплел "пропольскую" гродненскую область. Это наверное из за близости границы? Уже как полячков терпеть не могут, так показательно в гродненской. Сказалось тесное общение. Да и вся оппозиция Беларуси, это выкормыши различных организаций расположенных в Вильнюсе, финансируемых различными фондами, от Сороса до напрямую Госдепом. Даже у этих "аппазиционеров", твердость взглядов прямо пропорциональна количеству проплаченных грошей.
                  1. terum
                    terum 23 December 2015 23: 33 New
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                    Ну а как в Беларуси появится "нормальной" опозиции? Все инакомыслие душится на корню. И в этом виноват сам Лукашенко, за любую критику действуещей власти - ты автоматом приписываешься к 5-ой калонне. Это разве нормально?
                    1. mad
                      mad 24 December 2015 00: 09 New
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                      Нормально. Вон у соседей "оппозиция" как развернулась... до сих пор скачут, на костях страны.
                    2. vanya
                      vanya 24 December 2015 01: 52 New
                      +8
                      in Belarus there is Lukashenko and a pro-Western opposition, there simply is no other; therefore, we have no choice who to vote for: either Westerners or Lukashenko; and it’s time for Russia to contribute to the organization about the Russian political organization.
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 24 December 2015 10: 41 New
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                        Quote: vanya
                        It’s time for Russia to contribute to the organization

                        For what? In the wrong hands is always thicker. Live calmly - live on.
                        Your Old Man for Belarus does more than all of our government in bulk for Russia.
                      2. kashtak
                        kashtak 24 December 2015 11: 15 New
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                        Quote: vanya
                        It’s time for Russia to contribute to the organization of the Russian political organization

                        maybe you are right. but then the question arises: how will Belarusians themselves react to this intervention in the political process? and Lukashenko? can it be more logical for the Belarusians themselves to take care of this issue? You can contribute, but to whom? say yourself that there is no such organization, or is there anyway? and would such direct support weaken them?
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                  2. stasimar
                    stasimar 24 December 2015 01: 08 New
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                    yeah. and Donbass called Vitebsk. Such comparisons would not occur to me in a nightmare. author provocateur, he has little blood !?
                    1. demos1111
                      demos1111 24 December 2015 07: 33 New
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                      Нет, тут вы не правы, автор не провокатор. Он просто предупреждает власть и весь народ, который живет на этой земле, пойдете в Европу, восточные земли не отпустим. А это уже "Донбасс"
                      1. stasimar
                        stasimar 24 December 2015 08: 01 New
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                        в случае чего не будет ни какой организованной борьбы, вроде "за вольную Беларусь!" . а тихо мирно по крымскому сценарию, только без помпы. в идеологическом плане нам нечего делить с русскими. сопротивление возможно в случае крайней степени хамства со стороны оккупационных войск и их прожорливых олигархов. назовут нас "Северо-западным краем" и станем мы одной большой Рассируссией. laughing
                      2. 1500014781401
                        1500014781401 24 December 2015 09: 40 New
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                        So it was planned last year in Vitebsk. The organization Our Home, the union of the mummers of Vitebsk Cossacks, was created by Russia (even our faithful ally), even the church was involved. One of the submitters of this petition referred to in the article was an elderly Vitebsk professor. A person has been observed by psychiatrists for many years; last year, we sent him to Russia to confirm the diagnosis, he grew up. Doctors have confirmed. Then why the nonsense of a mentally ill person for years dumped in Regnum, and now here, it’s a shame how. Let a person calmly age. And as for the Anschluss, after Krymnash it was planned for us as well. But, Lukashenko on time changed the power block and replayed everything, and we do not want to categorically. So there were streams of slops in the media-Bummer! We have been sanctioned for 15 years, and you, our allies, at that time let us through a meat grinder cutting off gas and oil, all conceivable trade wars are a disgrace! And now, when the roasted cock pecked, they remembered about us. We all survived. Survived. survived but did not forget. So we have all moral rights to pursue our own policy, aimed not at aggression, but at establishing peaceful and normal relations with everyone.
                      3. kashtak
                        kashtak 24 December 2015 11: 38 New
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                        Quote: 1500014781401
                        We all survived. Survived. survived but did not forget. So we have all moral rights to pursue our own policy, aimed not at aggression, but at establishing peaceful and normal relations with everyone.

                        добрососедские отношения это то что нам всем надо, я за. вот только добрососедство у вас какое то однобокое. как и память. все то мы должны. а насчёт потока в СМИ то в каких СМИ? уточните, а то я например о Беларуси мнение составляю по словам Лукашенко. мясорубка говорите? торговые войны? вы же сами свято соблюдаете принцип "табачок врозь" так чем же недовольны? за что боритесь...
                      4. prosto_rgb
                        prosto_rgb 24 December 2015 11: 41 New
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                        Quote: 1500014781401
                        And as for the Anschluss, after Krymnash it was planned for us as well. But, Lukashenko on time changed the power block and replayed everything, and we do not want to categorically.

                        He is now scheduled.
                        rather categorically required, at the end of Syriyanash
                        you’ll forever bomb. and a tv picture is needed.
                        Now the articles have quietly gone
                        Vitebsk is our Belarusian Donbass. Polotsk is an old Russian city in which the bloody ryzhy Rygorycha has already eaten all the Russian-speaking babies ...
                        For me personally, the news about Bulbo-Bandera will not be something surprising,
                        I have them back in 2015. expected to see, but, fortunately, apparently not fate.
            2. Lord of Wrath
              Lord of Wrath 24 December 2015 00: 27 New
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              Quote: hedgehog in the fog
              , it is divided into Minsk and Ostolny, and all the Svidomo trash sitting in Minsk

              А может она делится по другому? На сторонников Лукашенко и на нормальных людей? И что люди настолько забиты самодурством местного "князя", его бесконечными налогами-поборами, что готовы отдаться куда хочешь лишь бы без него?
              А может вспомним о Беловежских соглашениях? И кто против объединения России и Беларуссии? Кто выдвигает заведомо неосуществимые требования, типа "равноценной эмиссии рублей в Минске и Москве" ? И таких примеров вагон
              1. Theline
                Theline 24 December 2015 01: 53 New
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                Or maybe she does not share at all? People are not land, they are two different things.
              2. Just BB
                Just BB 24 December 2015 04: 57 New
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                Or maybe remember the Bialowieza agreements?

                What did Lukashenko sign them on?
              3. kashtak
                kashtak 24 December 2015 11: 49 New
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                Quote: Lord of Wrath
                Кто выдвигает заведомо неосуществимые требования, типа "равноценной эмиссии рублей в Минске и Москве" ? И таких примеров вагон

                your suggestions? don’t get it wrong, but please clarify why the equivalent emission of rubles or altyns is bad? in any case, it’s a matter of negotiations, and what negotiations if you declare proposals as wagons unrealizable? suggest others that are feasible.
                1. Lord of Wrath
                  Lord of Wrath 25 December 2015 08: 20 New
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                  Quote: kashtak
                  why is the equivalent issue of rubles

                  Do you entrust Lukashenko in small Belarus to issue the same amount of rubles as in Moscow for the whole of Russia? do not make me laugh
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            3. Edvagan
              Edvagan 24 December 2015 09: 00 New
              +1
              я сам российский белорус, часто езжу к родственникам в Беларусь (Брестская область). Никогда не замечал разделения Беларуси на западную и восточную, отношение к россиянам всегда было нормальным. Правда, не так давно у меня родились дети, я я 6 лет пока в Беларуси не был. Может,что и изменилось,хотя я не уверен.Хотя по интернету заметил активизацию белорусских "литвинов".
              1. prosto_rgb
                prosto_rgb 24 December 2015 13: 04 New
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                Quote: Edvagan
                I have not been to Belarus for 6 years. Maybe that has changed, although I'm not sure.

                Naturally, something has changed for 6, but not globally.
                Russians (Russians and representatives of other peoples of multinational Russia) are not considered enemies here.
    2. dauria
      dauria 23 December 2015 20: 23 New
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      Heroic people!


      Да народ причём? Опять про буржуев забываем. А там правят они, как и на Украине, Казахстане, Азербайджане , в РФ. А у них есть свои, чисто национально- буржуинские интересы ( свой рынок). И власть над этим рынком. И фигушки они его отдадут. Чужой рынок к рукам прибрать- они всегда рады, если силёнок хватит. А свой , да ещё на котором они заправляют по полной- xрен нам по всей морде. Эх вы, "сталинисты"
      If something depended on the peoples, the USSR would have been blinded anew long ago.
      (How does the national democracy understand social democracy? IV Stalin, 1904)
      1. Rarog
        Rarog 23 December 2015 23: 00 New
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        You're right. We are ruled by people glad only for their pockets.
        But Russia is napping!

        Russia is so slumbering that in the Russian Federation there are already no Russians left at the official level (they try not to notice, with more than 81% of Russian citizens being ethnic Russians) - the Russians are solid, and the author is worried about changing the identity of the citizens of Belarus. For us, the Russians from Russia, for a start, we must defend ourselves before our Russophobes from the powers that be, and then the Russians from Belaya and Little Russia should be reminded of who they are.
    3. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 24 December 2015 00: 18 New
      +6
      I communicate with Belarusians on the Internet, especially with the West, Kobrin, etc., I haven’t seen so many nasty things about Russia and Belarusians who do not support Lithuanian citizenship, and many people have Polish addresses on ip, they all think it’s normal, you can’t forget the Pole’s card, it’s no one canceled, about Ukraine they also talked about sanity, but in the end we have what we have.
  2. Tor5
    Tor5 23 December 2015 19: 19 New
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    К сожалению, "батька" настолько поднаторел в играх и с востоком и с западом, что, боюсь, переиграть его очень сложно, увы.
    1. cniza
      cniza 23 December 2015 20: 15 New
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      But it is not necessary to replay it, it is necessary to cooperate on mutually beneficial conditions, and our wise peoples will figure it out themselves.
      1. holding
        holding 23 December 2015 23: 08 New
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        Уважаемый,какие "...а народы наши мудрые сами разберутся."?
        How old are you that you write such nonsense ...
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    3. veksha50
      veksha50 23 December 2015 20: 21 New
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      Quote: Tor5
      К сожалению, "батька" настолько became skilled in games with both east and westthat, I'm afraid, replaying it is very difficult, alas.


      If the feed wags, this does not mean that the torpedo will not get into it ...

      PS Just do not need to write about the wake jet ... The comparison was figurative ...
    4. 30BIS
      30BIS 23 December 2015 22: 23 New
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      Old Man is not eternal. Will leave or will leave .. Prosal Ukraine. Now do not ask for the White Russia !! Crimea is ours .., and Ukraine is Pindo-sky! We need to work with the oligarchs of Belarus, tie them together, tie them tightly to Russia. A common cause, a common benefit brings together the best.
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  4. veksha50
    veksha50 23 December 2015 20: 18 New
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    Quote: herruvim
    Lukashenko is not the whole Belarusian people, let him release T-shirts with his image and then everyone will see his true rating



    But a good, simple, cheap and more reliable method to find out the rating than any polls ...
    1. Asadullah
      Asadullah 23 December 2015 22: 29 New
      +4
      But a good, simple, cheap and more reliable method to find out the rating than any polls ...


      Depends on the application environment. The Belarusian may not buy a T-shirt, and nods his head at swearing at the authorities. But, in the elections, he will consciously vote for Lukashenko. Habitat, you know .....
  5. saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 24 December 2015 01: 40 New
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    Quote: herruvim
    Lukashenko is not the whole Belarusian people, let him release T-shirts with his image and then everyone will see his true rating

    I think you are mistaken, the BRYU will make its contribution. If you do not know then with us all students are members of this club.
    1. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 24 December 2015 05: 47 New
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      Quote: saturn.mmm
      I think you are mistaken, the BRYU will make its contribution. If you do not know then with us all students are members of this club.

      will bring near-zero
      not everything, this is first
      speak as if you know that you don’t know what the Belarusian Republican Youth Union is, this is secondly
  6. ohtsistem
    ohtsistem 24 December 2015 16: 36 New
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    Я русский, здесь живу с 86-го года абсолютно согласен с автором статьи. Общаюсь и с молодёжью и средним поколением и стариками. Между стариками (после 50-ти) и молодежью огромная пропасть, в политическом плане. Молодежь почти вся смотрит в сторону Литвы и Польши. Но менталитет такой "мы дождёмся когда станем ЕВРОБЕЛОРУСЬЮ". Очень напоминает менталитет либеральных российских политиков, а это просто молодёжь. Печально все это. А процесс европеизации запущен давно. На этой политике выросло целое поколение молодёжи. Единственное успокаивает что нет ПОКА такого радикализма, как у свидомых. hi
    1. Lord of Wrath
      Lord of Wrath 25 December 2015 08: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: ohtsistem
      Between the old people (after 50-ty) and young people there is a huge gap, politically. Almost all young people are looking towards Lithuania and Poland.

      When was the last time you spoke with youth?
      Everything is exactly the opposite - a generation was born and grew up, which except Lukashenko saw nothing. Which easily enters the Belarusian Republican Youth Union (an analogue of the Komsomol) because it is easier at the institute, which grew up on political information at school and zombie programs. Watch the report from the rally of youth opposition on the fingers count.
      Правда есть и другая сторона- Россия молодежи уже не братский народ. И опять таки, в этом виновата пропаганда любимого президента, который ой как не хочет "объединяться".
  • Vikings
    Vikings 23 December 2015 19: 18 New
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    Quote: The same Lech
    What are the specific recipes to avoid the Ukrainian scenario?

    Our adequate policy, clearly defining priorities. + Consistency in the strict sense of our
    strategic interests. No wagging!
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 23 December 2015 19: 18 New
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    Belarusians live their own lives, especially do not go into politics, no one asks them whether they want to join Russia or not, everything is decided above, somehow by itself, and everyone is used to it. The population of the Vitebsk and Mogilev regions is not politicized at all, it is considered absolutely natural that we are one people. There is no talk about the West.
    Другое дело, что это мирное пророссийское население пытаются расшевелить разные молодежные "культурные" организации, неизвестно кем финансируемые и крышуемые. То, что происходит с установкой исторических памятников "героям"- русофобам - решается наверху, в исполкомах, никаких референдумов, мнение жителей не спрашивается - это чья-то грязная русофобская политика.
    Если правители РБ рвутся в Европу, то должны знать, что, например в Швейцарии, чтобы установить в каком-то районе газетный киоск, вначале, опрашивается население этого района, рассылаются буклеты с планом, дизайном и местом расположения, в которых каждый может поставить "за" или "против", и в том же конверте отправить.
    1. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 23 December 2015 19: 23 New
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      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      пытаются расшевелить разные молодежные "культурные" организации, неизвестно кем финансируемые и крышуемые


      So it’s not known. All such organizations have one ears.
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 23 December 2015 20: 24 New
      +6
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      это мирное пророссийское население пытаются расшевелить разные молодежные "культурные" организации, неизвестно кем финансируемые и крышуемые



      Um ... But father did not make statements that they were not the 37th year ... And the KGB did not rename, and did not remove functions from him ...

      When EMU is needed - everyone gets nuts ... So the question arises - why do those organizations shaking the foundations of the state quietly exist ???

      Is he a dictator ??? So I say - a strange dictator ...
    3. Arkon
      Arkon 23 December 2015 20: 40 New
      +8
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      The population of the Vitebsk and Mogilev regions is not politicized at all

      Не знаю, не знаю... Мне тут дамочка из Полоцка в "мордокниге" всё ссылки слала якобы из "указов Екатерины", где она прямо повторяет "слова Даллеса", если помните, ну там: будем работать с русской молодёжью, развратим и т.д. - вот примерно то-же вложили в уста Екатерины по отношению к Белоруссии после раздела Речи Посполитой. Рука фальшивок одна - прям явно видно.
      I had to send her link to the complete collection of decrees of the Emperors of Russia Speransky - Catherine did not issue such a decree.

      And this, I draw your attention!, In Polotsk - Vitebsk region.
      1. combat66
        combat66 24 December 2015 08: 24 New
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        Absolutely right! Rubbish was registered everywhere, it doesn’t matter Minsk, or Polotsk.
        And to be honest, the amount of rubbish is growing, there is a separation of west and east. I agree with the author, Russia is sleeping and how her dream will end can be imagined with very serious concerns.
  • Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 23 December 2015 19: 21 New
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    Do not invent nonsense or write similar articles. That's the whole recipe.
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 23 December 2015 20: 14 New
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      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      ... That's the whole recipe.

      This recipe worked on the outskirts for all 200% .... My hut from the edge? Oh well...
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 24 December 2015 01: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: Semyon Semyonich
        This recipe worked on the outskirts for all 200% .... My hut from the edge? Oh well..

        And what do you suggest? Will the troops introduce us to impose your proper order? We are your allies and not a colony.
        1. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 24 December 2015 04: 27 New
          +6
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          And what do you suggest? Will the troops introduce us to impose your proper order? We are your allies and not a colony

          My advice to Lukashenko, and to all those in power in Belarus, is not to play with fire. It is time to understand that the West aims to split the Slavic world into quasi-states, and first of all Russia, to tear Ukraine and Belarus away from it, reformatting the brains of young people who are sleeping and seeing themselves as uCeEurope. Flirtations with Natsik did not bring anyone to good. hi
        2. prosto_rgb
          prosto_rgb 24 December 2015 05: 50 New
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          Quote: saturn.mmm
          And what do you suggest? Will the troops introduce us to impose your proper order?

          YES
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          We are your allies

          Russia does not have only Armmya and Fleet allies,
          RB is neither one nor the other
          respectively
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          the colony.
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  • vovanpain
    vovanpain 23 December 2015 19: 21 New
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    Ох и не однозначно все это,белорусский народ понесший самые страшные потери в войнах расколот.Помню смотрели в советское время фильм "Иди и смотри"весь зал рыдал,вспомнить Хатынь и более 1000 деревень убитых вместе с женщинами,детьми,старыми и малыми,неужели у белорусов нет генетической памяти,неужели их ничему не учит пример Украины,Грузии,прибалдонов тех же,ведь скакунам и западэнцам ведь не понять,что запад использовав их выбросит в кровавую яму как ту же Украину.Думайте братья сябры,крепко думайте.
    1. NIKNN
      NIKNN 23 December 2015 20: 05 New
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      Во всех "майданах" большинство купленная массовка, а не обыкновенные нормальные люди, по этому от основной массы населения мало чего зависит(как у Высоцкого "настоящих буйных мало, вот и нету вожаков"), правят балом специально обученные кукловоды.
      do the examples of Ukraine, Georgia, the same bastards not teach them anything, because it’s impossible for horses and zapadents to understand that the West, using them, will throw them into the bloody hole like the same Ukraine. Think sabry brothers, think hard.

      We still invest in MMM ... request
    2. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 23 December 2015 20: 50 New
      +7
      Quote: vovanpain
      . Think sabra brothers, think hard.

      Unfortunately, it is not the inert majority that decides, but a handful of creatively formatted yearlings supported by the West and corrupt politicians. So strangle the hydra while it is small ... Then it will be too late.
    3. voronbel53
      voronbel53 23 December 2015 21: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: vovanpain
      do Belarusians really have no genetic memory, do they really learn nothing from the example of Ukraine, Georgia, the same baldonov

      Everyone should probably feel in their own skin all these charms of attraction to the West and the rejection of historical memory in relation to their closest friend and neighbor ... It would be a pity if Belarus follows the same scenario and you can’t look at it indifferently ...
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 24 December 2015 02: 00 New
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        Quote: voronbel53
        Everyone should probably feel in their own skin all these charms of attraction to the West and the rejection of historical memory in relation to their closest friend and neighbor ..

        I’m for an alliance with Russia, but for reference I must say that in the historical memory the Belarusians lived for 650 years in the Commonwealth and 122 years in the Russian Empire.
        1. Just BB
          Just BB 24 December 2015 05: 44 New
          +2
          I will not stir up this far: my grandmother was born in the Russian Empire in 1914 in the territory of the current Brest region. It is clear that until 1920 it was a passage yard, but from 1920 to 1939 (25 years old a person) - Poland. The Polish language was only poorly spoken - there was no need for it, she wrote Russian words in Latin - the state doesn’t do anything else in school taught.
          Had to catch up in the parish.
          Так, что Уважаемый! "В исторической памяти" - я начал разговаривать на русском языке, а белорусский учить в школе в 3-м классе with dictionary. There was no need for it - the local language somehow does not look like Belarusian. But in Russian it was.
          А вот нынешняя настороженность в отношении к России - это последствия 90-х годов: уйдет Лукашенко - придут "ястребы Чубайса" и ... "сначала у нас ничего не было, а теперь нас обокрали..."

          Yes, and another example: look at how much a phone call from Russia to Belarus costs and compare with the same Georgia, the Baltic states - but the Union State.
          Хорошо народ в Белоруссии не "лошадиной породы", но... при желании - помните про "...захрюкает"
        2. alexej123
          alexej123 24 December 2015 09: 13 New
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          Вот с этого всё и начинается. Помню, при перестройке ток-шоу Познера по-моему за расизм. В зале у женщины спрашивают - Как вы отнесётесь, если ваша дочь выйдет замуж за негра. Она ответила, что примет выбор дочери и примет негра. Ей ответили, что это и есть "бытовой расизм". Так и у вас "Я за союз с Россией, но в Речи Посполитой прожили 650 лет". Ничего не имею против. Правильно сказали вам - братья думайте, крепко думайте. И в первую очередь для себя определитесь кто вы для нас - братья или соседи.
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        4. Appius
          Appius 24 December 2015 09: 38 New
          +2
          Who are Belarusians historically? Who called Belarus Belarus - not Catherine II? What peoples lived in the territory of modern Belarus? The Russians - yes, the Poles - yes, the Lithuanians - yes, the Zemait - and others, but not Belarusians. But when a territory called Belarus appeared, then they decided to come up with these peoples a language - Belarusian at the end of the 19th century. Modern Belarus owes much to its present existence - the USSR, and at the present stage, the huge support of Russia.
          1. Just BB
            Just BB 24 December 2015 17: 01 New
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            Ну, русские - тоже собирательное название, как и многие другие официальные наименования народов. "Мудрая национальная политика ЦК ВКП(б)"
            А исторически народы жили: ятвяги (только почему-то их "балтами " считают), древляне, дреговичи, кривичи, частично волыняне. Русских тогда не числилось, как и поляков (ближайшие на этом месте "висляне", "мазовшане"). Жемайты жили ближе к Балтийскому морю.
            At the expense of language - I agree Francis Skorina wrote it - taking as a basis the local dialect - not the most common
    4. stasimar
      stasimar 24 December 2015 01: 17 New
      +3
      это вы думайте! у вас процентов на 50 кабмин "не наш" + Греф, Голикова и прочие Чубайсы.)
  • dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 23 December 2015 21: 18 New
    +1
    Nothing good can be expected with our leadership (too kind-hearted, even when they wipe their feet on Russia .. They will give a loan, then the scammers and political twists and turns. Moreover, Lukashenko is trying to please both yours and ours (by the way, quite successfully). it is possible only under definitely harsh conditions (although Putin has no effective levers left) .. There remains only a chatter on TV.
    Quote: The same Lech
    What are the specific recipes to avoid the Ukrainian scenario?
  • cap
    cap 23 December 2015 23: 34 New
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    Quote: The same Lech
    What are the specific recipes to avoid the Ukrainian scenario?
    I will answer the question with the simple fact of 40 years of aging. The case was in the winter of 1975.
    Participants of the All-Union Komsomol rally in Brest, delegates of ALL republics (4-5 people each) dedicated to the formation of the USSR (the USSR Education Agreement was signed on December 29, 1922, and already on December 30, 1922 the First All-Union Congress of Soviets approved it. RSFSR, Ukrainian SSR (USSR), Belorussian SSR (BSSR) and the Transcaucasian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic (ZSFSR) formed the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR). Each of the republics was formally considered independent), did not live in a hotel but in the families of Belarusians.
    Всех делегатов разобрали по домам на трое суток.Для всех делегатов сопровождающими лицами ,еще по 2 человека на республику была организована экскурсия в Брестскую крепость,Беловежскую пущу(питомник зубров)проведен торжественный концерт.Все организовано с перевозкой на автобусах, питание (обед) в ресторане.Без пьянок,драк и других "прелестей" массовых интернациональных мероприятий(которых нет),как это происходит сейчас (на стадионах).
    And now attention: Do you remember anything like that? Can you imagine how expensive this is? How can this be called now, and most importantly, who will do this?
    But this is the only way exchange and mutual understanding between cultures of different peoples and countries is possible. RUDN was also created not yesterday, but the same record.
    And the third question (rhetorical) who needs it?
    The man asked, I answered. And he went on. hi
  • 30BIS
    30BIS 23 December 2015 23: 50 New
    0
    Link Belarusian oligarchs together with profitable projects, fully tie their elite to our interests, make them common. The common cause and interests are the best binding. And the fraternal peoples. People should not be offended or spread rot. Ukraine blinked ... Take care of Belarus!
    1. Just BB
      Just BB 24 December 2015 05: 48 New
      +2
      Вы что перегрелись - у российских только один проект -"Труба"
  • 1500014781401
    1500014781401 24 December 2015 00: 59 New
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    What kind of Russian culture is the author talking about? About Anfisa Chekhova, Volochkova, Sobchak, Lazarev? Is it also necessary to have this with us? How many films were shot in Russia that can be watched with children? and after that still give advice to others how to live ...
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 24 December 2015 03: 12 New
      +4
      Quote: 1500014781401
      What kind of Russian culture is the author talking about

      About this..



      What you called is not culture .. subculture .. no more ..
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 24 December 2015 11: 00 New
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        Quote: dvina71
        What you called is not culture .. subculture .. no more ..

        Но по ТВ в основном "подкультурье".
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 24 December 2015 11: 55 New
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          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Но по ТВ в основном "подкультурье".

          Канал "Культура" вам в помощь.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 24 December 2015 13: 23 New
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            Quote: dvina71
            Канал "Культура" вам в помощь.

            Ваши дети смотрят "Культуру", только честно?
            1. dvina71
              dvina71 24 December 2015 17: 59 New
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              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Ваши дети смотрят "Культуру", только честно?


              To be honest .. my daughter is educated as a culturologist .. do you think that she looks and reads?
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 24 December 2015 18: 40 New
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                Quote: dvina71
                what do you think she looks and reads?

                Наверное читает. Но большинство все таки смотрят, и не "Культуру". А читают только СМСки. И Вы это знаете. Такие как ваша дочь в обществе исключение, а не закономерность. hi
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    3. alexej123
      alexej123 24 December 2015 09: 17 New
      +1
      Ну с вами всё ясно. Тогда чего на "ПРОРОССИЙСКОМ" сайте время тратите? Скучно? Хочется иногда с людьми пообщаться?
  • saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 24 December 2015 01: 37 New
    +4
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    What are the specific recipes to avoid the Ukrainian scenario?

    The author does not understand what he is writing at all, for a resident of Belarus there is complete nonsense, that recently the stuffing on the VO has begun to appear provocative, as if tomorrow no one has declared that Russian-speaking citizens are oppressed here, it has become strain like that.
    Belarusians do not conflict with each other, Belarusians do not conflict with Poles, Lithuanians, Ukrainians and Russians are in a union state.
    Brothers Russians, you have a vast territory with a lot of problems: roads, underpopulation of the Far East, ethnic differences, industry, bureaucrats in power, defense industry, etc., deal with them, I sincerely wish you good luck in solving these problems.
    1. Just BB
      Just BB 24 December 2015 05: 51 New
      +1
      100500 good
      but the Poles remind about 1,5 million Belarusians in Poland
    2. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 24 December 2015 06: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: saturn.mmm
      The author does not understand what he is writing about,

      The author of the article understands everything, but the article is fake.
      You have already been indicated in the article (not explicitly, but) Rygorych does not want to join the Russian Federation and go to grow watermelons in the cottage of Yanukovych, so in Vitebsk region you will be like on the Donbass.
      The purpose of this article:
      1 To cause ethnic hatred at the household level between Belarusians and Russians (Russians and other peoples of multinational Russia.)
      2 to convince the Russians that in the Republic of Belarus wound up Bulba-Bandera who eat Russian-speaking babies.
      3 justify and begin to defend the Russians on the model of the DPR-LPR

      And so it’s complete profonation ideological diversion.
      And not the first on this site:
      http://topwar.ru/86875-u-belorussii-budut-rakety-s-rossiey-ili-bez-nee.html
      http://topwar.ru/86875-u-belorussii-budut-rakety-s-rossiey-ili-bez-nee.html
      The message is characteristic.
      In short.
      catch:
      The article lacks one photo for the full color:
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      2. alexej123
        alexej123 24 December 2015 09: 19 New
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        Do you even understand what you wrote? Yes, you my friend Provocateur is.
        1. prosto_rgb
          prosto_rgb 24 December 2015 11: 26 New
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          I perfectly understand what I am writing, otherwise I am silent and do not comment.
          Quote: alexej123
          Yes, you my friend Provocateur is.

          The provocateur is the author of the article.
          And judging by the comments to him, this provocation succeeded, at least% by 50.
      3. alexej123
        alexej123 24 December 2015 09: 23 New
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        И ещё, жители России да и сами журналисты раскусили этот "рассказ". Кстати, журналисты ничего не изобретали, просто опросили женщину, кто знал что у неё с психикой не в порядке. А теперь приведите примеры фейков журналистов с Укрогабона, так, для контраста? Причём фейков рукотворных и умышленных. В своём глазу бревно не видите.
        1. prosto_rgb
          prosto_rgb 24 December 2015 11: 30 New
          0
          Quote: alexej123
          examples of fake journalists from Ukrogabon,

          they were brought here enough without me.
          that was not the point, and you clearly understood that.
          Well, when the journalists from Ukrogabon will start calling Vitebsk a Donbas in which it is necessary to save Ukrainian-speaking babies, then I’ll deal with their fakes.
  • bordos
    bordos 24 December 2015 11: 11 New
    +2
    stop driving wedges between Belarusians and Russians with similar pseudo-historical articles
    not draw an analogy between the proximity of cultures and the imposition of values
    respects the nation’s right to self-determination with deep respect

    P.S. "Западная Двина — главная водная артерия Белой Руси" по какому критерию? самый длинный и самый полноводный - Днепр
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  • Misha Honest
    Misha Honest 23 December 2015 18: 58 New
    +7
    While Old Man is alive - everything will be stable more or less. I’m even afraid to imagine what could happen without him ... We should be prepared for this, just for any fireman.
    1. herruvim
      herruvim 23 December 2015 19: 06 New
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      Quote: Misha Honest
      While Old Man is alive - everything will be stable more or less. I’m even afraid to imagine what could happen without him ... We should be prepared for this, just for any fireman.


      Without it, life will go on, but it’s really worth the thought of Russian politicians where it will lead.
      1. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 23 December 2015 19: 23 New
        +6
        Quote: herruvim
        Without it, life will go on, but it’s really worth the thought of Russian politicians where it will lead.

        Yeah ... The example of Venezuela without Chavez is not inspiring ... I'm afraid the same will be in Belarus recourse
        1. Lord of Wrath
          Lord of Wrath 24 December 2015 00: 39 New
          +6
          Article bold -
          Bullshit.
          Противник объединения с Россией всего один- "любимый, единственный, всенародноизбранный, солнцеподобный" президент Лукашенко.
          I recently read how Lithuania evaluates its policy:
          Lithuanian Foreign Minister Linas Linkevicius: “It is very important for me that Belarus does not recognize the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, it is very important for me that it is not like-minded Russia against the Crimea. Or economic sanctions against us. Even, I would say, on the issue of opening a military air base. Belarus had a public official position that it did not want this base. In addition, the visit of the President of Belarus to Russia did not take place because of this
          Forward Alexander Rygorovich) licks are even more penetrating, you look and the states will give a positive assessment
      2. corn
        corn 23 December 2015 20: 08 New
        +9
        Quote: herruvim
        Without it, life will go on.

        I was surprised by two things:
        1. Belarus did not express his attitude to the article.
        2. There are six regions in Belarus (I know that there were twelve before), the author mixes the official (administrative) division with the unofficial one.
        I served for several years in Belarus, and grew up in Ukraine, I can compare. The attitude of Belarusians to Russians was strikingly different from the attitude of Ukrainians to Russians, even during the Union. Has everything changed significantly for the worse?
        1. By001261
          By001261 23 December 2015 20: 42 New
          +9
          Not changed and will not change
        2. ruskih
          ruskih 23 December 2015 20: 46 New
          10
          Nothing changed. And there are enough fools everywhere.
          1. voronbel53
            voronbel53 23 December 2015 21: 51 New
            +2
            Quote: ruskih
            there are enough fools everywhere.

            The only bad thing is that even though there are few of them, they are very well placed that they are found at every turn .., and if they are still very active, both in Hohland and, in general, gloom, the rest may not lead to a bright future at all. After them, slurping, not overwhelming for years and decades ...
      3. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 23 December 2015 20: 19 New
        +8
        Quote: herruvim
        Without it, life will go on, but it’s really worth the thought of Russian politicians where it will lead.

        Да надоело уже...Вот "уйдет" Назарбаев...Вот "уйдет" Лукашенко...Работать надо с товарищами, преемников готовить, так сказать. Утром стулья-вечером деньги. Возможности выше крыши, желания маловато...
        1. pg4
          pg4 23 December 2015 21: 47 New
          +1
          Will leave ??? Do you really think that he alone confronts the West all these years? laughing or someone helps him a lot, and if it helps, it’s profitable.
          1. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 24 December 2015 04: 28 New
            +1
            "Уйдет" у меня в кавычках...
    2. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 23 December 2015 19: 30 New
      12
      Quote: Misha Honest
      While Old Man is alive - everything will be stable more or less. I’m even afraid to imagine what could happen without him ...

      Вся "стабильность" Белоруссии держится на экспорте на российский рынок и внешних заимствованиях. С 2009 по 2014 объем валового внешнего долга вырос в 2,5 раза, из них долг непосредственно государства в 3,5 раза. Ныне госдлог составляет 10 млрд.долл. Немаленькая сумма для страны с десятимиллионным населением. На минуточку, госдолг Украины - 46,5 млрд.долл. То есть, среднестатический белорус должен внешним кредиторам столько же, сколько среднестатический украинец. При этом мы утверждаем, что на Украине кризисная ситуация, а в Беларуси стабильность. Кстати, замечу, объем внешнего госдолга Украины за то же пятилетие вырос всего в 2 раза.
      So, the situation is quite serious. And her culprit, guess who? wink Потому и мечется сейчас Лукашенко между Россией и Европой в поисках денег и новых рынков сбыта. А подобные политические реверансы в сторону "змагаров" и европейского выбора - тому свидетельство.
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 23 December 2015 20: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        That is why Lukashenko is rushing between Russia and Europe now in search of money and new markets.



        Hmm ... right up to the export of Belarusian crabs, salmon fish and bananas to the Russian markets ...

        PS Well, that was partly my sarcasm ...
        But all of our PGRK Strategic Rocket Forces on their carrier vehicles, and Vityaz, which was discussed today - too ...
        Belarusians have what to produce and what to trade ... But it is necessary to further develop, and mainly with the help of Russia, however, the ambitions are that father, ours are first Yeltsin, then Putin in matters of creating a union state were slowed down ... Yeltsin- I dragged Putin in such a way, for justice and objectivity ... But mainly because of the ambitions of the father, who sleeps and sees himself as the White Tsar from Brest to Vladivostok ...

        It is these ambitions plus cunning that are the problem in our relations ...
        In relations not between nations, but between authorities ...
    3. slaw14
      slaw14 23 December 2015 19: 58 New
      -14
      Do you even know the Old Man and his legislation? I advise you to live, get acquainted, and then write comments.
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 23 December 2015 20: 06 New
        +6
        No, dear, I personally do not know Mr. Lukashenko. But familiar with some citizens of Belarus. With ordinary citizens, I note, they are absolutely not politicized. Here they are just telling something, including what is written in the article.
        PS However, the fact that I am not a personal acquaintance of the President of Belarus does not yet You основание, чтоб мне "тыкать". Я с You geese did not pass.
        1. slaw14
          slaw14 23 December 2015 20: 45 New
          -1
          Я не знаком с "некоторыми" . Я там проживал. И Вам живущим за счет папы-мамы сюда суватся не советую.
          1. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 23 December 2015 21: 10 New
            +6
            Quote: slaw14
            I lived there. And I don’t advise you to live here at the expense of mom-dad.

            Очень рад за Вас, что Вы проживали в такой прекрасной стране, как Беларусь. Жаль, что это помешало Вам, в достаточной степени, овладеть русским языком. Глагола "суватся" в нём не существует. Про пунктуацию просто промолчу.
            In general, you have an original manner of communicating with strangers. How do you know at whose expense I live? And your advice is not interesting to me, to put it mildly. hi
            1. pg4
              pg4 23 December 2015 21: 56 New
              +3
              If you are so interested in the opinion of the Belarusian people, then climb on the forums
              tut.by
              onliner.by
              1. m262
                m262 23 December 2015 23: 00 New
                +4
                HERE. Buy a terrible liberal trash, I do not recommend it, it will somehow be cleaner on the liner.
                1. Svetoch
                  Svetoch 24 December 2015 06: 56 New
                  0
                  Смотря что имеете ввиду. Если на ВО комментарии читать чть ли не интересней чем сами статьи то комментарии на онлайнере сродни "цензору" с сильным школьным душком. Так что и олайнер я бы не советовал читать.
                  1. pg4
                    pg4 24 December 2015 07: 15 New
                    +1
                    It's not about the views, but about the number of people expressing their opinions on these sites.
              2. bordos
                bordos 24 December 2015 11: 25 New
                0
                посоветуйте иностранцу составить впечатление о России по форумам "эха Москвы" и "дождя")))))
                1. prosto_rgb
                  prosto_rgb 24 December 2015 12: 00 New
                  +1
                  Quote: bordos
                  посоветуйте иностранцу составить впечатление о России по форумам "эха Москвы" и "дождя")))))

                  Lepsh on the forums censor.ua laughing
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 24 December 2015 11: 18 New
          0
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          But familiar with some citizens of Belarus. With ordinary citizens, I note, absolutely non-politicized

          I am also familiar, people have different opinions, there is such a thing. But the majority is still for the Old Man.
          As for the Belarusian laws, they are executed better and more honestly. Education is better, medicine too. Then someone complained about taxes and requisitions
          Quote: Lord of Wrath
          his endless levies
          - чем "Платон" Ротенберга лучше?
          VAT, excise taxes and other overlapping taxes?
          Here, many are nostalgic for the USSR, but with the union they really lived poorer (financially). But freer, more fun and more honest (people’s mindset). Here are the real causes of nostalgia. And in Belarus this is now better than in Russia. hi
    4. Lord of Wrath
      Lord of Wrath 24 December 2015 00: 51 New
      -2
      Quote: Misha Honest
      While Old Man is alive - everything will be stable more or less. I'm afraid to even imagine what could happen without him ..

      CLASS !! Here is this position))) Like 40 + summer exalted brainless aunts
      1. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 24 December 2015 01: 07 New
        +3
        Quote: Lord of Wrath
        CLASS !! Here is this position))) Like 40 + summer exalted brainless aunts

        Before criticizing others, first state in which position and you yourself are facing. lol But they came, they didn’t say anything good, they didn’t offer, and they insulted how much in vain. Or are you a hot fan of Aleksievich? Your style is very similar. yes
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  • Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 23 December 2015 19: 02 New
    +2
    The author, in my opinion, you are clearly exaggerating. I’m just sure that Belarusians are people with their heads on their shoulders, and they won’t let them behave stupidly for the sake of someone’s personal ambitions.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 23 December 2015 20: 35 New
      +8
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      I'm just sure that Belarusians are people with their heads on their shoulders,



      This is not about the whole Belarusian people ...

      However, in Kuevskaya province, a handful of zapadentsev was able to distort the brains of a huge mass of people, who also had a head on their shoulders ...

      That's what it is about ...
      1. Lex.
        Lex. 23 December 2015 21: 36 New
        +2
        I'm just sure that Belarusians are people with their heads on their shoulders,



        This is not about the whole Belarusian people ...

        However, in Kuevskaya province, a handful of zapadentsev was able to distort the brains of a huge mass of people, who also had a head on their shoulders ...

        That's what it is about
        You think about Russia in power oligarchs are billionaires, the Russian ruble lives on the price of oil. And at the expense of zapadentsev so they are in power since 91 Kravchuk, Yushchenko’s parliament
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 24 December 2015 11: 21 New
          0
          Quote: Lex.
          However, in Kuevskaya province a bunch of zapadentsev

          Национальность "кучки западенцев" отнюдь не Украинская. wink
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      3. Just BB
        Just BB 24 December 2015 06: 07 New
        0
        В Белоруссии вся "муть" от поляков (кто соучастник "белойвежи"), а эта братия не очень в почете у местного населения, но ребята упрямые.
        В Киеве ситуация такая - "бандеровцы всё же свои, хоть и св..", а в Минске всё-таки поляки
    2. Basarev
      Basarev 23 December 2015 20: 44 New
      0
      In the same way they spoke about Ukrainians. Current ... Only Crimeans did not give
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      stupidly behave to slaughter for the sake of someone's personal ambitions.
  • Lex.
    Lex. 23 December 2015 19: 03 New
    +1
    Demagogues only this can write Dmitry VOLODIKHIN, do you even have a concept that in Belarus and if in Russia it will be the other way around in 1991, or when the White House was taken
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 23 December 2015 19: 23 New
      +7
      "Потрудитесь изъясняться яснее" (С)
      As I would like to understand your main idea, however, it does not work out because of your contempt for punctuation marks.
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 23 December 2015 20: 21 New
        +2
        “And today, tomorrow, not everyone can watch. Rather, not only everyone can watch, few can do it ” what
        1. voronbel53
          voronbel53 23 December 2015 22: 22 New
          +1
          This is not anyone, but the great thinker Klitschko speaks the truth, here it is necessary to understand and everything will be clear, like two, two, no more ... fool laughing
      2. Lex.
        Lex. 23 December 2015 21: 22 New
        +1
        Article fake now understood?
    2. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 24 December 2015 02: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: Lex.
      Demagogues only this can write Dmitry VOLODIKHIN, do you even have a concept that in Belarus and if in Russia it will be the other way around in 1991, or when the White House was taken

      They wrote everything correctly.
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  • Pushkar
    Pushkar 23 December 2015 19: 08 New
    18
    The author does not write directly, but the main role in moving away from Russia is Lukashenko. He, he declared himself Litvin, did not recognize Abkhazia and Ossetia, kissed Poroshenko and did not condemn Turkey, but condemned our actions in Syria.
    1. 1500014781401
      1500014781401 23 December 2015 23: 44 New
      -9
      why do we need to recognize the chopping off of foreign territories by Russia?
      1. alexej123
        alexej123 24 December 2015 09: 30 New
        0
        "Базара нет". Так отдай Брест и Гродно Польше.
  • Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 23 December 2015 19: 09 New
    +3
    Some nonsense ... minus. I can’t say anything about the dad, because I don’t understand anything in his subtle politics, and we can’t have any problems with Belarusians a priori, and there’s nothing to say on this topic.
    PS - such articles are annoying: let's think about the problems of disconnecting Siberia and Tatarstan, the Far East has already been sold to China, and Kaliningrad held a referendum and returned to Germany ..ffff!
    1. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 23 December 2015 19: 37 New
      12
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      the Far East has already been sold to China,


      Ivan, you, so do not scare, please. But in general, it takes anger when you start recalling the 90s. On March 17, 1991, at an all-union referendum, the people spoke out for the Union, and where are the results of that vote now ?! Why did not the UN, or all sorts of OSCE and ECHR protect then the rights of millions of people who were trampled upon by a handful of villains ?! Everyone watched with a vile smile and rubbed their hands in anticipation when they could start tearing to pieces. And now they are trying to crank the same.
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 23 December 2015 20: 16 New
        +2
        I don’t scare, I just talked with Belarusians. The problems described in the article on the agenda were not even in thoughts. My opinion - this article is an unnecessary escalation of tension, in connection with an incomprehensible dad policy
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 23 December 2015 20: 47 New
          +1
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          I don’t scare, I just talked with Belarusians. The problems described in the article on the agenda were not even in thoughts.



          So the fact of the matter is that we mainly communicate with normal (in our concept) Belarusians ... They speak good Russian, and our thinking and assessments of many life realities are consonant ...
          You were just lucky that you didn’t have to communicate with a pronounced zapadentz - no difference, even Ukrainian, even Belarusian ... I think your mood after talking with them would have deteriorated somewhat ... Especially if you could even understand what they will taldychit ...

          I myself have had and have been Belarusians - friends and comrades, and all are worthy guys guys ... BUT - there were not and not a single zapadents among them ...
          1. Just BB
            Just BB 24 December 2015 06: 14 New
            +1
            BUT - among them there was not and not a single zapadents.


            Помню ещё - бабушка рассказывала как она "пахала" на польского пана for land. А таких внуков в Белоруссии еще очень много - и Вы хотите, что они будут "западенцами".
            PS - but the current Russian example of the life of ordinary people is scary
      2. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 23 December 2015 20: 16 New
        +3
        I don’t scare, I just talked with Belarusians. The problems described in the article on the agenda were not even in thoughts. My opinion - this article is an unnecessary escalation of tension, in connection with an incomprehensible dad policy
      3. veksha50
        veksha50 23 December 2015 20: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: B.T.W.
        Why did not the UN, or all sorts of OSCE and ECHR protect then the rights of millions of people who were trampled upon by a handful of villains ?!



        Tatyan ... Yes, because it was beneficial to them ...

        It was then necessary to add the fact that those organizations mentioned by you react to the events in the Donbas and Syria with great distress ... Remember Yugoslavia ...

        What are we talking about ??? Even now, presiding over the Security Council, Russia plainly cannot reach UN members on many issues ...
      4. cap
        cap 24 December 2015 01: 32 New
        +2
        Задача штатов и иже сними, в каждую деревню "демократию","президента" с независимым от всех краном на трубе(дороге,трассе,вышке)так проще договориться.А может и сменить.
        Remember the parable about the broom. It’s easier to break the stalk.
        А уж если "президент" губы помадой красит,или просто дитя родителя №1 и №2, неопределенного пола,он за печеньку от родителя №1и№2 откажется.
        А уж о "партнерах" и говорить нечего.Какая разница перед кем прогнуться.Лица все равно не видно, даже если покраснеет.
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 23 December 2015 19: 51 New
      21
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      and with Belarusians we can have no problems a priori, and there’s nothing to say on this topic.

      Ivan, we at one time and about Ukraine could not think that there would be a Nazi state that hated Russia and in a nightmare, but now you see what’s happening there perfectly.
      1. brisk
        brisk 23 December 2015 21: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: vovanpain
        that there will be a Nazi state that hates Russia and in a nightmare could not


        I apologize for getting in. Maybe ---- Nazi ---- is a very strong statement, as for Ukraine? Nazism is certainly very bad. But the Nazi state is a STRONG state. Germany was Nazi and she was very strong in that war. Although Hitler had a relatively small state (well, Germany cannot be compared in terms of human resources and territory with China and the USSR !!). Is Ukraine a strong state ?! No, absolutely not. So maybe then Ukraine is not a Nazi, but a fascist state? Germany was Nazi and strong during the war. And Italy was fascist and weak. Although an ally of Germany, but the weight on her legs. But today's Ukraine does not even attract fascist, an even less powerful state than Italy then. Is there a ruler in Ukraine, a Ukrainian analogue of Mussolini? Yes, the Lord is with you! He, though he was both a mongrel and a fool, looks on the newsreel, but he is a very strong and charismatic ruler. Which, before entering the war of Italy against the USSR, was adored and dear to its Italians. And he gave a lot in a positive way to Italy and Italians. Then, with the war and Stalingrad, Italian citizens, of course, sang another song. But Ukraine, well, at most, can be called fascist-comprador. For a completely fascist she is too weak.
    3. Wolverine
      Wolverine 23 December 2015 20: 01 New
      +6
      Let me disagree with you, Lukashenko behaves inappropriately, always goes to blackmail Russia, begs for privileges and money in response to his mythical loyalty to Russia. And what kind of a brother is he after that when the chill is on the back, I don’t know ...
    4. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 23 December 2015 20: 24 New
      +3
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      and with Belarusians we can have no problems a priori, and there’s nothing to say on this topic.

      Oh oh Byelorussian strife. Happened to communicate with fans of the ON, sadness ...
    5. veksha50
      veksha50 23 December 2015 20: 39 New
      0
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      Some nonsense ... minus.



      Doctor, I respect your opinion, but let me express my opinion ...

      In Belarus - the same problem as in Ukraine: West and East ... This problem was in Soviet times, but it was somehow hushed up ...

      This - and indeed it can be called - two seemingly different peoples, two different subcultures ... And now the subculture, which is a minority of the population, is trying to turn everything upside down ... But recently, father, it turns out, began to play along with this parts of the population ...

      There - I repeat once again - nothing new and surprising happens ...
      1. Just BB
        Just BB 24 December 2015 06: 23 New
        +2
        In Belarus - the same problem as in Ukraine: West and East ... This problem was in Soviet times, but it was somehow hushed up ...

        This - and indeed it can be called - two seemingly different people, two different subcultures ...

        Not West-East, but still Russia - Poland.
        И не "как бы" - а "два разных народа!"
        А Польша "прет" - видно даже по количеству возводимых костелов
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 24 December 2015 11: 27 New
        +1
        Greetings! hi
        Quote: veksha50
        In Belarus - the same problem as in Ukraine: West and East ..

        Не такая явная. Но некоторым "тайным"( wink ) the forces would like to rock the situation to Ukrainian sizes. And the author of them.
        “The power of Russia can be undermined only by the separation of Ukraine from it ... it is necessary not only to tear off, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia. To do this, you just need to find and cultivate traitors among the elite and with their help change the self-consciousness of one part of a great nation to such an extent that it will hate everything Russian, hate its clan without realizing it. Everything else is a matter of time. ”
        Otto von Bismarck. hi
    6. Lord of Wrath
      Lord of Wrath 24 December 2015 00: 54 New
      0

      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      I can’t say anything about the dad, because I don’t understand anything in his subtle politics

      Yes, what is there to understand) just look))
      Well, read http://lurkmore.to/%D0%91%D0%B0%D1%86%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B0 here everything is true, but with humor and evil
    7. combat66
      combat66 24 December 2015 08: 40 New
      0
      Even as they can! Just look at the short comments above yours.
      "а зачем нам признавать оттяпывание Россией чужих территорий?"
      Вот таких у нас достаточное количество. Поверьте, если эта "вошь" завелась на ВО, то сколько их непуганых здесь!
      So in vain minus. winked
  • KBR109
    KBR109 23 December 2015 19: 11 New
    +6
    Everything described has a place to be. Many friends are there, because I know. I want to believe that this time ours will not oversleep. Ida. But father is not eternal, and it sometimes appears. It should be borne in mind that there are no free friends in interstate relations.
    1. venaya
      venaya 23 December 2015 19: 22 New
      +6
      Quote: KBR109
      there are no free friends in interstate relations

      Over 25 years, they spent $ 200 billion on gas only in Ukraine for gas discounts, while Americans of $ 5 billion (unofficially more than 20) didn’t invest everything in the economy (which was destroyed on the contrary), but in the media and all kinds of NGOs for the purposes of NLP population processing. It turns out everything in science - it’s more efficient to spoil the brains of the population. In this regard, the question is: what are your suggestions? Explain the help methodology.
      1. KBR109
        KBR109 23 December 2015 19: 36 New
        +4
        The United States, for example, is buying up the upper echelons at the root.
        1. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 23 December 2015 20: 29 New
          0
          Quote: KBR109
          The United States, for example, is buying up the upper echelons at the root.

          Да неужели? Больше, чем мы дотируем? Еще раз повторюсь-работать надо с товарищами. Или-или...И никаких "и рыбку съесть, и куда-то там сесть".
      2. alexej123
        alexej123 24 December 2015 09: 38 New
        0
        Полностью поддерживаю. Неужели пример Союза ничему не учит? Сколько "тогдашних" миллиардов вкладывалось в "братские народы"? И что? Где эти "братья"? Где деньги "Зин"? Списали. Почему мы должны покупать чью-то "русскость" или лояльность? У нас люди всем обеспечены и счастливо живут, проблем нет? Все трындят - "Россия спала, ничего не делала". Сколько Украине в виде скидок и кредитов оказали помощи в ущерб нашим гражданам? Это поведение матрасников - сначала помощь, потом эти "союзники" уже будут её требовать. Тогда три выхода - дать, послать на.. и жёстко поставить на место. Нам это надо?
    2. kashtak
      kashtak 23 December 2015 20: 39 New
      +4
      Quote: KBR109
      there are no free friends in interstate relations

      friendship for cash is called briefly and clearly, well, you understand ...
  • vladstro
    vladstro 23 December 2015 19: 11 New
    +2
    Oh, the Ukrainian zapadentsev always hated Russia (they mostly rode on the Maidan), and Belarusians proved their heroism with their partisan warfare and areas where even Soviet power was in the Second World War. look, no Belarusians were and will be our allies.
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 23 December 2015 19: 20 New
      10
      Understand - that the USSR, that the BSSR in 1939 was added Zapadenschina - to each his own. Therefore, political processes also have the right to some similarities, adjusted for greater adequacy of the authorities. Nonetheless ... stop
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 23 December 2015 20: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: KBR109
        Understand - that the Ukrainian SSR, that the BSSR in 1939 was added Zapadenschina - to each his own.



        By God, the thought arises that some do not even know this ...

        The processes on the memory and ST are the same ... There, if there is a difference in something, then a little ...
        West and East in Ukraine and Belarus have always been, even under Soviet rule, antagonists ...
    2. kashtak
      kashtak 23 December 2015 20: 25 New
      +6
      Quote: vladstro
      Belarusians were and will be our allies.

      белорусы были и надеюсь будут, а Лукашенко и компания никогда не был и не будет. "Батька" всегда много говорил о союзе с Россией, но чуть разговор заходил о чём то кроме торговли и рынков для белорусских товаров так не отличить от того же Януковича. говорит одно а в глазах счётчик крутится. вся его дружба по интересу и до первой кочки где он и соскочит. пока Лукашенко и те кто его поддерживает у власти реальной интеграции не будет.
      1. 1500014781401
        1500014781401 23 December 2015 23: 26 New
        -2
        But how do you understand real integration? To give our enterprises for free to the Russian criminal oligarchy, and we will be slaves to them?
        1. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 24 December 2015 04: 32 New
          +2
          Quote: 1500014781401
          and us to them as slaves?

          Are you freestyle now ???
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 24 December 2015 11: 33 New
            +1
            Quote: Semyon Semyonich
            Are you freestyle now ???

            More than the average Russian.
            А насчет олигархата 1500014781401 прав, вспомните скандал с "Уралкалием", рейдерский накат "Газпрома" на газатранспортную систему Белоруссии.
            1. Semen Semyonitch
              Semen Semyonitch 24 December 2015 17: 18 New
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              Quote: Ingvar 72
              More than the average Russian.

              What is this expressed, if not secret?
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 24 December 2015 18: 55 New
                +1
                Quote: Semyon Semyonich
                What is this expressed, if not secret?

                Помните, какие были люди в СССР? Неотцифрованные, как говорит Задорнов. В Беларуси они и сейчас такие. Это и есть признак воли, а не суррогатного термина "свобода". hi
                1. Semen Semyonitch
                  Semen Semyonitch 25 December 2015 16: 51 New
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                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Remember what people were in the USSR?

                  I remember yes This is when the jokes about Brezhnev in the kitchen were whispering? smile
        2. kashtak
          kashtak 24 December 2015 08: 01 New
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          Quote: 1500014781401
          But how do you understand real integration? To give our enterprises for free to the Russian criminal oligarchy, and we will be slaves to them?

          Is this the only model? nobody idealizes our oligarchs, and yours from another test? or in another way, otherwise you can’t imagine with slaves? in my opinion it’s easier, your-yours is ours, but the position of the Allies should be agreed upon. this requires at least a single control center. with effective capabilities. I don’t even say more. haven’t you eaten up the shtetl autonomy yet? you still tell that in the USSR, Belarus was a slave. it’s time to understand that politics is a team matter, the larger the team, the greater the chances.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 24 December 2015 11: 34 New
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            Quote: kashtak
            and yours from another test?

            From the same. But they are on a leash in power, and not vice versa.
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    3. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 23 December 2015 20: 31 New
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      Quote: vladstro
      and Belarusians with their partisan warfare and regions where even in the Second World War Soviet power was

      Will we measure everything with the old arshin? Voditsy has since flowed a lot. Western NGOs eat their bread for nothing.
    4. brisk
      brisk 23 December 2015 21: 28 New
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      Quote: vladstro
      and Belarusians with their guerrilla warfare and regions where even in the Second World War there was Soviet power, proved their heroism


      And what, on June 23, 1941 in Grodno (Belarus), local residents even before the Wehrmacht approached, started shooting and knocking out Soviet troops, I saw this information more than once, is this not true? Wasn't it like that? And when, back in Soviet times, I read some provisions on rewarding combatants (legislation), then not only the Great Patriotic War participants, but also the participants in the liquidation of gangs, beginning in 1944 and beyond, were referred to them, --- Baltic States, Western Ukraine and Western Belarus. I was very surprised then when I read about Belarus. A cart and a small cart have been written about the forest from Western Ukraine, but nothing has ever come across from Western Belarus. Or is it nonsense and there were none? Or if there were, then the Bandera Galican guest performers climbed into Western Belarus, and not the locals? You can’t speculate in Western Belarus --- it’s been for 21 years in the Poles --- 1918 - 1939. And before and after that in Russia. However, like Volyn. Unlike Galicia.
      1. pilot bin-bom
        pilot bin-bom 23 December 2015 22: 49 New
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        And what, on June 23, 1941 in Grodno (Belarus), local residents even before the Wehrmacht approached, started shooting and knocking out Soviet troops, I saw this information more than once, is this not true? Wasn't it like that?
        Этнические поляки - да было. Так белоруссы вообщем то этого и не скрывали. Кстати в белорусском фильме "Граница" про начало войны, где главную роль погранца играет Сергей Безруков про это дельтано показано, в натуре.
        You’d better google who burned the Belarusian villages and killed every fourth Belarusian. Khatyn visit.
        1. brisk
          brisk 24 December 2015 02: 46 New
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          Quote: Pilot bin-bom
          Этнические поляки - да было. Так белоруссы вообщем то этого и не скрывали. Кстати в белорусском фильме "Граница" про начало войны, где главную роль погранца играет Сергей Безруков про это дельтано показано, в натуре.
          You’d better google who burned the Belarusian villages and killed every fourth Belarusian. Khatyn visit.


          А кем был по национальности Булак-Балахович? Пытался выяснить, а не смог, не нашёл ответа. Совершенно непонятный вопрос. Неясно со всего Интернета национальность Булак-Балаховича. Кучу материала перелопатил. А он был более жестокий убийца, чем Бандера. Бандера подстрекал, но сам лично практически не убивал. А почему Вы считаете, что именно и только поляки могли в те дни июня 1941 года поддерживать немцев оружием и воевать за них против сов. войск? Я совсем не против жителей Гродно. Наоборот, очень их уважаю. Там прекраснейшие люди. Был там, в 2006 году, в городе Скидель под Гродно, где в братской могиле фронтовиков похоронен мой дедушка с запорожского края Украины, погиб в июле 1944 года, освобождая Беларусь... Замечательнейшие люди, в военкомате сразу вытащили книгу, все погибшие записаны у них, память живая и благодарная и ко мне, потомку хохла-освободителя их края так хорошо и доброжелательно отнеслись... Вряд ли такое можно было бы ожидать в соседней Литве. Видно, что пострадали в войну крепко и воевали против немцев и Германии...Кажется ещё, в 1939 немцы громили поляков. А тех, что в Данцигской почте засели с оружием, официально судили и казнь им, смертную! И ещё даже до вторжения в Польшу официально и громко называли поляков "Польские бандиты...польские бандиты разгромлены...". Так почему бы это, "польские бандиты", стали с оружием в руках воевать за "германских рыцарей" в 1941 году? Они забыли что-ли, как их разбитые бравые жолнежы вышагивали босиком по осенним дорогам своей Польши в 1939 под автоматами фрицев? Поляки не злопамятны, они умеют прощать, причём быстро прощать? А я помню хороший советский фильм "Иди и смотри" 1985 года, где про хатыни белорусские. Мне там врезался в память персонаж в кубанке с его прибаутками к "сябрам". Это стало быть с Кубани раз в кубанке? А какой там этнос? Есть такой российский интернет-ресурс "Лукморе". Матершынный и фиглярно-кривлянный вариант Википедии. Ненавижу его. С одной стороны тошнотворный и туалетный. Но иногда может и точно выразиться. Так там жителей Кубани, Ростовщины, Ставрополья те объединяют названием "кубаноиды". Хохлы выделены другим названием --- "Хохлы". Они не тождественны у них с "Кубаноидами". Так вот, кубаноиды по Лукморю --- они у них там с квадратной головой массивной и т.п. Наряды с достойными людьми вносят в "отряд кубаноидов", например, чикатилу. Каково? Что с них придурков взять. Но а вот же запало в память. Ну видать и не без того же --- все те шкуры, да красновы, да султан клычи гиреи, да паннвицы таки палили деревни и белорусские и русские...да и украинские при случае тоже...
      2. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 24 December 2015 02: 16 New
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        Quote: svelto
        You can’t speculate in Western Belarus --- it’s been for 21 years in the Poles --- 1918 - 1939. And before and after that in Russia. However, like Volyn. Unlike Galicia.

        I would not like to upset you, but the territory of Belarus finally fell into the Russian Empire only in 1975 with the third division of the Commonwealth, and before that, it had been part of the Commonwealth for 650 years.
        1. brisk
          brisk 24 December 2015 03: 14 New
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          Quote: saturn.mmm
          I would not like to upset you, but the territory of Belarus finally fell into the Russian Empire only in 1975 with the third division of the Commonwealth, and before that, it had been part of the Commonwealth for 650 years.


          Maybe you wanted to say in 1795, and not in 1975? In 1975, no new territories were included in the USSR. The last territorial change in the USSR was in 1951 --- the exchange of territory with Poland (in small pieces in the Lviv region and adjacent Polish voivodina, 480 km quad.). Well and still impressive, 1795 --- 1918. Already a whole 123 years was all completely (!) White Russia as part of Russia! Yes, in principle, I don’t make any quacks about the dignity of Belarusians and their homeland of Belarus. And even to the Poles, even though they are people and unpleasant to me. Maybe a little better gypsies. Arrogant and ungrateful. Was Belarus 650 years old as part of Poland until 1795? It turns out somewhere in 1145 became part of Poland? Not true. Also in 1245 there was the Principality of Polotsk. And many years after that year, it was still there. But this principality is the basis of later Belarus. And that princess that she was forcibly brought to Kiev from Polotsk is also not a common story with the Poles. What is especially admired by them, these Poles? What are they preferable to the Eastern Slavs? And not only Slavs --- in Russia there are many other peoples living. Because of their immense greed for money, they settled Jews all over Poland in those times, even medieval ones. But the Jews were subsequently not good for White Russia, and for Red Russia, and also for Big Russia too ... Rather, the trouble soon became for centuries ... And the Poles themselves were irreparably spoiled and perverted for the worse. I am absolutely not anti-Semitic, I dismiss any possible accusations immediately and immediately. I didn’t write you a minus; I avoid doing this. So don’t think about me.
          1. combat66
            combat66 24 December 2015 08: 48 New
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            But I’ll slap him, brotherly! For distortions in the knowledge of history. wink
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 24 December 2015 21: 41 New
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              Quote: combat66
              But I’ll slap him, brotherly! For distortions in the knowledge of history.

              Yes sculpt, brotherly historian.
              Clemens

              You are right in many respects, but they dragged the Jews in vain, they kind of came to Poland from Kiev where they were accused of in secret conspiracy with the Greeks.
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              2. brisk
                brisk 25 December 2015 01: 16 New
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                Quote: saturn.mmm
                Jews were dragged in vain, they kind of came to Poland from Kiev


                No, not from Kiev. They were expelled from Germany and Spain with Portugal in the 11-16 centuries. England, too, caught up with her at the end of the 13th. And Poland collected them at home. Jews had a lot of gold diamonds, for giving money at interest for the goyim is a sacred thing for them, and not a sin at all. For Christians, such a belief was forbidden by the state administration. And there were Jews who were also masters of inventing and taxing the local labor people into the moshna of Polish feudal princes. Those greatly appreciated them. If Jews, then only a few units flew to Kiev, Novgorod and other principalities.
                1. saturn.mmm
                  saturn.mmm 25 December 2015 13: 02 New
                  +1
                  Quote: svelto
                  No, not from Kiev. They were expelled from Germany and Spain with Portugal in the 11-16 centuries. England, too, caught up with her at the end of the 13th.

                  Take an interest in the 9-10th century who ruled in Kiev at the time when Vladimir converted to Christianity then the Jews and began to persecute. Jews lived here in Belarus, it turns out that in your opinion they spoiled us, but they also lived in Russia.
                  1. brisk
                    brisk 25 December 2015 23: 09 New
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                    Quote: saturn.mmm
                    Take an interest in the 9-10th century who ruled in Kiev at the time when Vladimir converted to Christianity then the Jews and began to persecute. Jews lived here in Belarus, it turns out that in your opinion they spoiled us, but they also lived in Russia.


                    Friend You are my heart! Let's not try to drop in 1200 years ago! And you know why? Those who are professional historians, honest and objective historians, and love their profession, they will tell you one of their little professional secrets. А она заключается в следующем --- "Невозможно установить как и что конкретно было, происходило, какие были в обществе настроения, кто и почему вёл себя так или иначе, если со времён события прошла тысяча лет и более.". You can only relatively roughly imagine this. Despite the seemingly extant scrolls, manuscripts, etc. And, accordingly, the reliability and truth will be only approximate, relatively plausible (or erroneous!), Blurred ... This is, for example, the concept of an electron. Who saw this particle? How does it revolve around an atomic nucleus? What is she like? To the touch? No one has ever seen him, electron! And even the atom itself has not yet been seen! Not a single person on the whole planet Earth! Nevertheless, extensive atomic disciplines are built around atomistics and elementary particles, a lot of things seem to be confirmed in practical experiments ... What, in fact, I wanted to say. Yes, historians write that there were such Turkic peoples as the Khazars. These are not those Semitic Jews. They are of a completely different origin. And the Khazars did not live close to the Jews. So historians write. Some attribute their original homeland to Altai. But is this the thing that happened then, one and a half thousand years ago? Do we have few current problems now? Yes, it seems like the top of the Khazars and their state, the so-called Kaganate, adopted the Jewish faith (unprecedented! proselytism and missionaryism are absolutely not peculiar to Jews!). Note --- the top, not the entire Khazar people! That is, here Judaism is not for cattle, but only for the elite! But where is the evidence that the Khazars sat on thrones or simply ruled in Kiev and Novgorod? Where is the proof? In birch bark letters maybe? Who can tell what origin the prince of Kiev Oleg the Prophet had? Different opinions --- then the Norman-Scandinavian, then not the Norman ... А сейчас почитайте форумы, российские в особенности, пишут ---- "В Киеве в 1050 году вовсю евреи заправляли, и князья в 800-900 -х были сплошь хазары-евреи!". Those forum users now know everything! Long centuries, dark deeds ... Why raise them now and allow the past to corrupt life in the present and in the future? Moreover, a much closer past --- here in 1941 - 1945? Why should it again be the source of new killings? В Беларуси сейчас могут сказать украинцу --- "А вы, хохлы, в 1943 спалили белорусскую Хатынь!". Но тогда что, а разве белорусу не могут сказать в российском городе Пскове --- "А ваш белорусский первый батька Булак-Балахович в 1919 году перевешал в нашем русском Пскове уйму наших горожан! Прадедушку моего собственноручно повесил на фонарном столбе!". Why should the past, which was 70-100 years ago, not only come to life in memory, but also initiate new murders? And by the way, that is how it has been throughout history.
                    1. brisk
                      brisk 25 December 2015 23: 10 New
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                      Ну а в Польше и в Белоруссии, да, действительно жило много евреев. Даже, пожалуй, и очень много. Что ни местечко, белорусское, украинское или польское, то и -- 20% евреев, 37% евреев, 17% евреев... А то и 60% и 70%. В России такого и близко не было. А что сделаешь? Так сложилось в истории. И черта оседлости-с! А евреи сами... Ну что евреи... Кажись, они и сами вечно педалировали "Еврейский вопрос". И гении земные среди них были, и сумасшедшие, и добрые, и преступники... Но всегда себя выделяли. И разве было у них какое-то желание соединиться по настоящему с приютившими их народами? Да никогда! Они были отъявленными националистами-расистами с заявками на своё превосходство и исключительность. Агрессивные и исподтишка, неявно, как вирус компьютерный хитроумный действовали. Когда приютивший их народ опомнится, то часто уже и поздно для него самого... Выводы сами делайте. Ещё раз --- я не антисемит в том понимании этого слова. Хотя у большинства евреев на этот счёт будет совсем иная точка зрения.
                      1. saturn.mmm
                        saturn.mmm 26 December 2015 14: 49 New
                        +1
                        Quote: svelto
                        Let's not try to drop in 1200 years ago!

                        That is, for 900 it is possible and for 1200 it is impossible.
                        Quote: svelto
                        And, accordingly, the reliability and truth will be only approximate

                        Isn't history a science?
                        Quote: svelto
                        And the Khazars did not live close to the Jews.

                        With Jews, everything is very difficult, no one can really tell who the Jews are. It is believed that the Jews are the children of Abraham, a prosperous community living in the area of ​​Babylon (I don’t remember exactly), all of their slaves adopted Judaism. At the invitation of the pharaoh, they moved to Egypt, their affairs went well and the number of slaves increased, but once Moses took the slaves from Egypt, it is difficult to say that any of the slaves had a blood relationship with the descendants of Abraham.
                        The Khazars adopted Judaism, first to know and then everyone else, like Vladimir Christianity at first and then the rest, after the defeat of the Khazars by Svyatoslav, most of them went to German lands and joined the Ashkenazi Jews from where they later spread to Poland and under Vitovt and On
                        Quote: svelto
                        And your Belarusian first Old Man Bulak-Balakhovich

                        What side to us is a White Guard officer of Polish descent, and in Pskov he was atrocious even before Belarus, there was a civil war, atrocities both red and white are not accepted.
                        Quote: svelto
                        Whatever place, Belarusian,

                        So this is the result of three sections of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, after them in our cities the indigenous population remained critically few, and here Catherine populated them with Jews, you have less and we have more.
                        Quote: svelto
                        Although most Jews will have a completely different point of view on this subject.

                        There are very few of them in Belarus, during the Union they lived peacefully with them, among them were good doctors, teachers, tailors, there were even Greco-Roman wrestling trainers, among Russians and Belarusians there were also enough dishonorable people, but that it would not be so noticeable usually point to the Jews.
                        Photo of a hydrogen atom.
                      2. brisk
                        brisk 26 December 2015 16: 47 New
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                        saturn.mmm, но он кажется, самым первым провозгласил Белорусскую державу? И в Украине были скоропадские, да петлюры, да грушевские, которые провозглашали украинску державнисть. Так что, вычислять какие проценты у них турецкой, еврейской крови, а какие украинской? Вздор. А казкар дидусь Панас (не помните такого? "Отака х...ня малята, згвалтував зайчык лысычку!"), тот пишут, был и вовсе еврей с Украины, местечковый. Мисто Тальне Уманский уезд Киевской губернии. Но не имеет для меня это роли. Вот дидусь Панас для меня всегда был и остаётся украинцем. Он был в вышиванке, з вусамы, в казацкий кружок пострижен. И сказочник народно-украинский, от Бога сказочник! Талант! Малюкив на нич сказками та байками так здорово присыпал! Вот для меня он украинец, хоть и еврей по происхождению. Но полностью ассимилировавшийся и ставший украинцем, и говорил исключительно по украински. И ни на какие израили с синагогами не разменявшийся. Да и лицом на еврея совершенно не походил... А Балахович сам был из Гродненской теперешней области. Белоруссия это. Ну пусть даже и поляк, хотя это абсолютно неясно. Не подтверждена его национальность документами. Есть убийство на войне, а есть убийство просто ради убийства. У того было именно второе. Это его что-ли оправдывает, если война была гражданская? Убивал из-за своей тяги к публичным повешениям. Какие для него оправдания? Я украинских бандеровцев не оправдываю. Добро бы если бы убивали только НКВД да бойцов Красной Армии. А они убивали присланных инженеров, учителей, врачей... Какие им оправдания? Махновцев, которые любили убивать, чтобы просто головы рубить, тоже называю убийцами. И ни вы, ни я не жили во времена гетмана Вишневецкого и тем более императора Юстиниана. А посему мы не знаем ни дух того времени, ни что конкретно происходило у них. Мы это не прочувствовали на себе лично. История наука, но до известных пределов. Почему она и не может быть точной. Вы не можете вести беседы с теми, кто умер ещё 500 лет назад. Вы же понимаете прекрасно, что я хотел сказать. Насчёт фотографии атома не сильно обольщайтесь. Это всего лишь весьма неясная и туманная картина. Возможно, просто аберрации.У Вас такое мнение, у меня такое. У меня нет стремления разгромить собеседника. Для некоторых, говорят, оппонент становится врагом. В том числе и для Ленина. Тому было важно разгромить собеседника. А если другое чуть мнение, то ренегатом становился для него.
                      3. saturn.mmm
                        saturn.mmm 27 December 2015 14: 21 New
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                        Quote: svelto
                        but he seems to be the first to proclaim the Belarusian state?

                        He jumped up with a detachment and occupied a couple of districts and began to establish power a few months later, they expelled him, it happened all the time, for the Belarusians he didn’t remember him, if he hadn’t forgotten about him atrocities in Pskov.
                        The Jews left, all already, there are none, live in Israel, mostly proud of their technological country. They feel good, and we somehow didn’t feel worse.
                        Quote: svelto
                        Maybe just aberration

                        No, this is a photograph taken with a quantum microscope.
                        Quote: svelto
                        I have no desire to defeat the interlocutor.

                        I’m just talking to you, I haven’t even thought about any defeats, in a conversation you often learn something new or look at the problem from a different point of view.
      3. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 24 December 2015 18: 32 New
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        Quote: svelto
        Maybe you wanted to say in 1795, and not in 1975?

        Two tsiferki confused in places, it happens.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 23 December 2015 19: 15 New
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    И без "батьки"белорусы не куда не денутся!Нефтяная промышленность(на российской беспошлинной нефти),их трактора и тягачи нужны только в России.И новый бизнес-переклеивают этикетки европейских товаров,попавших в "контрсанкции".Теперь у нас "белорусская"семга,киви,осминоги,креветки и др.Ждем после Нового года турецких товаров-"майд ин Беларусь"-мандарины,рыбу и прочее.Так держать,богатейте за счет России!
    Quote: Misha Honest
    While Old Man is alive - everything will be stable more or less.

    hi
    1. woron333444
      woron333444 23 December 2015 20: 35 New
      +5
      И Украина сидела на российской нефти и газе, скидки получала и попутно воровала. А наши всё прощали, а теперь "не братья"
    2. 1500014781401
      1500014781401 23 December 2015 23: 30 New
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      Do you know about the geography of deliveries of Belarusian agricultural equipment? Take an interest in the number of joint ventures around the world.
      By the way, all of our exports to Russia, we have increased GDP by several times, decreased from 85% to 45%.
  • L. A. A.
    L. A. A. 23 December 2015 19: 18 New
    +6
    Something is generally incomprehensible with the Old Man.
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 23 December 2015 19: 30 New
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      Quote: L. A. A.
      Something is generally incomprehensible with the Old Man.

      Old Man with the people and this is important! It can be twisted as much as possible .. For that I respect him! hi
      1. MIKHALYCH1
        MIKHALYCH1 23 December 2015 20: 03 New
        +4
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        Quote: L. A. A.
        Something is generally incomprehensible with the Old Man.

        Old Man with the people and this is important! It can be twisted as much as possible .. For that I respect him! hi

        И за что минуснули...? Я Лукашенко люблю критиковать, но по сути он "играет " на грани фола пытается страну удержать на плаву (пусть и хитро за счет России и все же ..)Если что, Белоруссия поддержит нас в трудную минуту (опыт у них большой) Не зря Лукашенко, наши демократы ненавидят жутко!Он мужик крутой и болтать не любит..Сразу с плеча рубит! good
        1. Akulina
          Akulina 23 December 2015 20: 17 New
          +4
          Ключевая фраза "... за счет России ..." Не слишком ли много всего в мире делается за счет России. И батька туда же. С Порошенко лобызается, про сбитый СУ молчит как рыба об лед - а мог бы хоть соболезнования выразить. А вы послушайте новости по Беларусь ТВ, что они там говорят про Россию, за счет которой живут - с каждым днем все больше наглеют. Я часто смотрю этот канал - скоро его от укросми будет не отличить. А сколько продукции украинской втихаря под своими брендами нам продают, в частности молочку ("Брест-Литовская" например). Батька тот еще жук - не верю ему ни на грош. Его "дружба" только пока деньги валим и газ продаем по дешевке.
          1. MIKHALYCH1
            MIKHALYCH1 23 December 2015 20: 29 New
            +3
            Quote: Akulina
            Ключевая фраза "... за счет России ..."

            I don’t want to argue with you, maybe this person will convince you! hi
          2. 1500014781401
            1500014781401 23 December 2015 23: 33 New
            -2
            $ 8 billion is Russia's debt for products delivered to Belarus. We would have had enough of this money for a nuclear power plant. A special commission was created in Moscow, they knocked out 100 million dollars, a drop in the ocean. So, you are our benefactors.
          3. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 24 December 2015 00: 00 New
            +4
            Quote: Akulina
            Его "дружба" только пока деньги валим и газ продаем по дешевке.

            How much gas do you have now?
            1. Lord of Wrath
              Lord of Wrath 24 December 2015 01: 07 New
              +1
              Quote: PHANTOM-AS
              How much gas do you have now?

              But this is the biggest mystery))))))))))))))
              In fact, Russia pays 142 $, but the population pays 311 $ more.
              Where does the difference go, as if NO ONE is aware)
              Another example) Electricity is made from gas and the Ministry of Energy reports that it has reached the level of 1 kW / h = 1 cent and by the way successfully sells to Latvia at 1.5 cents.
              But the population pays at 5.6 cents per kWh. Where the difference goes, too, as you already understand, is not clear.
              And what’s the funniest thing, according to the zombie creator, and recently, already in fat, they write that they subsidize us with 70%. I'm really afraid to consider how much we pay, if without subsidies)) By the way, gas in warring Ukraine is 244, and the population pays 297. Well, for electricity 1.97
              Oh yes with NG we will pay another 20% more. The government decided to impose VAT
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 24 December 2015 11: 44 New
                0
                Quote: Lord of Wrath
                In fact, Russia pays 142 $, but the population pays 311 $ more.

                And in our country gasoline rises in price against the background of cheaper oil, and most of the price is state excise taxes. We sell electricity to China cheaper than our own population.
                Quote: Lord of Wrath
                Oh yes with NG we will pay another 20% more. The government decided to impose VAT

                НДС у нас давно. Дальше "болячками" будем мерятся?wink
                1. Lord of Wrath
                  Lord of Wrath 25 December 2015 08: 09 New
                  0
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Дальше "болячками" будем мерятся?

                  It's not about sores)
                  Просто всю Белоруссию усиленно выдаивает один человек, которого россияне зовут "батькой", а мы Лукой.
                  He begs handouts from Russia and sends it to his pocket.
                  And the election is just a laugh. Personally, I know the whole 1 person from probably 400 acquaintances who really voted for him.
                  У нас даже в парламенте уже 2 выборов вообще НИ ОДИН не только "оппозиционер", а и коммунист и умеренный не попадал
              2. woron333444
                woron333444 26 December 2015 06: 30 New
                +1
                http://www.sargc.ru/stoimost-prirodnogo-gaza.html
                here are the rates
                We do not have gas, and relatives in Barnaul pay 130r per month for a house of 1600 sq.m (heating, hot water, a gas stove)
                Where is $ 311 here?
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          5. 1500014781401
            1500014781401 24 December 2015 00: 11 New
            +6
            Stunned-Brest-Lithuanian products are not Belarusian! Should drink less!
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 24 December 2015 00: 23 New
              +2
              Quote: 1500014781401
              Stunned-Brest-Lithuanian products are not Belarusian! Should drink less!

              Do not pay attention, we have a certain group of people who, in all the troubles that occur with the Russian Federation, are looking for the guilty in the wrong places.
          6. ruskih
            ruskih 24 December 2015 00: 36 New
            +1
            And what do you work at our Brest Savushkin?
      2. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 23 December 2015 20: 25 New
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        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        Old Man with the people and this is important! It can be twisted as much as possible .. For that I respect him!

        And I do not respect:
        - he never supported Russia in difficult times, did not recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia;
        -called in Kiev to fight for the Crimea, which means to kill Russian soldiers;
        - I didn’t send a single humcon convoy to the Donbass, where old people, women and children die from hunger and lack of medicines, claiming that there is no Russian world;
        - Framed Putin with the air base, when Putin instructed the Russian government to sign an agreement on the creation of the air base, said that he knew nothing about it;
        -does not stop smuggling, giving the West the opportunity to circumvent retaliatory Russian sanctions, undermining the effect of retaliatory countermeasures, and not fulfilling allied obligations;
        - Again he was silent when the SU-24 was shot down.
        To save power, I’m ready to do anything, moral standards, allied commitments, promises and decency are not about him, the main thing is to get out ...
        1. brisk
          brisk 23 December 2015 21: 17 New
          -5
          Quote: Anatol Klim
          called in Kiev to fight for the Crimea, which means to kill Russian soldiers


          Ну и где это Лукашенка призывал какелов "воевать за Крым"? Где? Приведите его слова. Может, он сказал в таком духе --- "А вы сделайте в своей Украине жизнь такую, чтобы жители Крыма сами захотели быть в Украине!". Так что -- его, Лукашенку, за такие слова надо обструкции подвергать, по мордам отхлестать? Нелогично он ответил, на вопросы к тому же и укркорреспондентов? Вы из США и должно быть знаете, что 95% населения некогда очень нэзалэжного острова Пуэрто-Рико в 2012 году высказались за то, чтобы быть в США штатом. А не независимым островом (или даже полузависимым, как сейчас). Референдум там был вполне официальный. А 50 лет назад была совсем другая картина по этому же вопросу. А почему они так высказались? Да потому, что в США жизнь богатая и гораздо лучшая и более обеспеченная, чем в их свободно ассоциированной и неинкорпорированной территории.
          1. Anatole Klim
            Anatole Klim 23 December 2015 21: 34 New
            +8
            Quote: svelto
            Ну и где это Лукашенка призывал какелов "воевать за Крым"? Где? Приведите его слова

            "Я Турчинову сказал (Лукашенко встречался с Александром Турчиновым в бытность того исполняющим обязанности президента Украины — ред.), что если это ваша земля, то почему вы за нее не воевали? Тем более, что там было много украинских войск. Почему не воевали? Что, признали, что это не ваша земля?" — спросил Лукашенко.
            RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20150804/1161814525.html#ixzz3vAbHriJD
            You are from the USA ...

            I’m from Russia, I have never been to the USA, the American flag has been hanging in the morning, the question is not for me, some kind of failure ...
      3. kashtak
        kashtak 23 December 2015 20: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX

        Old Man with the people and this is important! It can be twisted as much as possible .. For that I respect him! hi

        that's what it gets out of. it's time to decide who he is. he is an ally to us or only exploits the theme of the union. crisis, why do we need such fellow travelers?
        1. MIKHALYCH1
          MIKHALYCH1 23 December 2015 21: 16 New
          0
          Quote: kashtak
          Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX

          Old Man with the people and this is important! It can be twisted as much as possible .. For that I respect him! hi

          that's what it gets out of. it's time to decide who he is. he is an ally to us or only exploits the theme of the union. crisis, why do we need such fellow travelers?

          Well, you're right, but we can’t swear now! hi Я вам по секрету скажу ..Вся прибыль заработанная "на России" , она обратно в Россию возвращается..! А вот из России "утекает" и в последнее время очень мощно.... hi
    2. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 23 December 2015 20: 41 New
      +7
      Quote: L.A. A.
      Something is generally incomprehensible with the Old Man.

      Why not understand here? After all, everything is very simple. The Old Man has a farm philosophy without options. And a very big conceit.
      He leads the state with great difficulty, as statistics show. He looks at the rich West in the hope that from him he will be given both bread and butter for nothing! A public debt is growing inexorably.
      Industry development at zero. There are no new markets. In Europe, it is not needed. It survives only at the expense of Russia, thanks to our injections into their economy.
      And it is not clear why he is puffing, posing as a great politician. And from the great to the ridiculous, one step! Constantly, with great accuracy, continues to crap Russia, realizing that without Russia he is a dummy, like the Baltic states.
      How he was two-faced, and continues to be so! He is not an enemy to us, but not a friend! At any moment, can betray in favor of the one who beckons cookies!
    3. 1500014781401
      1500014781401 23 December 2015 23: 31 New
      0
      He doesn’t allow to rob the country, he filed a lawsuit against Kerimov to Interpol and still does not withdraw. Sadness
  • Neophyte
    Neophyte 23 December 2015 19: 21 New
    +9
    They forgot their historical roots, but Lithuanian-Polish lords despised them! They are worn with the sign “Chase and imagine themselves to be Baltic Sarmatians? And Russians, they say, are oriental savages. The ignorance and stupidity of young people is over the top, especially in Minsk!”
    1. Starik72
      Starik72 23 December 2015 22: 46 New
      +2
      Neophyte. Where did you see the Chase flags, well, name it. And if someone appears with them, then they are dispersed, like wacky jackals.
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 23 December 2015 22: 57 New
        +4
        Quote: Starik72
        Starik72 (

        Do not pay attention, basically normal adequate people live in Russia, who understand everything, and we will not take into account the types of people fooled by a duroscope. hi
  • nord62
    nord62 23 December 2015 19: 21 New
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    Уважаемый автор! Вы не только сгущаете краски, но и , мягко говоря, злоупотребляете желтой помойной прессой и сайтами, на которых топчутся так называемые "оппы". И яркий тому пример, что на выборах, кто не хотел голосовать за Лукашенко, тот просто не пошел, потому что за этих "оппов" голосовать - себя не уважать и гадить Беларуси. Потому Лукашенко и набрал ТАКОЕ количество голосов, что люди НЕ ПОШЛИ на выборы , чтобы не голосовать за "опповских" недоумков и грантососов.
    If you look into history, you will understand that the Belarusian people for all centuries have been fighting from the heart, in our blood - if we are affected, then we can fight to the death for our land (this can be done in Perm or Vologda, but not in Polotsk or Kobrin). And most of all, therefore, Belarusians value calm and peace. The day after tomorrow Catholic Christmas (I am Orthodox), but with pleasure we will go to congratulate the neighbors. In the same way, they will come to us.
    You in Russia (as in Belarus) also have enough idiots, schizophrenics and traitors, for example Navalny, Kasparov, Akhedzhakova and others. We have Lebedko, Khalip, Poznyak, etc. Yes, I do not argue - they are barking, shitting where they can, with saliva they are begging for silver from mattresses Judin. But the people DO NOT SUPPORT them! That is the problem for them. So their birthing ideas are all - PAST!
    There are many facts that can be cited, but I have one conclusion: Your article is bullfinch, absolutely groundless, harming Belarusian-Russian relations. Definitely! hi
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 23 December 2015 19: 31 New
      +8
      Totally, absolutely and unconditionally agree !!! good drinks
      1. combat66
        combat66 24 December 2015 08: 56 New
        +2
        Eh .... and I would agree if I didn’t know the mood of some of our youth! recourse
    2. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 23 December 2015 20: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: nord62
      There are many facts that can be cited, but I have one conclusion: Your article is bullfinch, absolutely groundless, harming Belarusian-Russian relations. Definitely!

      Glad for your optimism. Can you refute the facts of the substitution of a common history and identity?
    3. By001261
      By001261 23 December 2015 20: 51 New
      0
      With two hands for !!!!!!!!!!
    4. 1500014781401
      1500014781401 23 December 2015 23: 51 New
      -6
      And now ask yourself the question: why is there anything in Russia that seems to be allied to us in all the mass media about Belarusians, or is it nothing or exclusively rotten? For what purpose is this done? Should we also wait for the green men who will look for fascists in the swamps with us?
      1. prosto_rgb
        prosto_rgb 24 December 2015 12: 30 New
        0
        Quote: 1500014781401
        Should we also wait for the green men who will look for fascists in the swamps with us?

        I'm already waiting.
        Bulbo-Bandera junta did not have long left to eat Russian-speaking babies in Polotsk.
    5. Lord of Wrath
      Lord of Wrath 24 December 2015 01: 21 New
      -1
      Quote: nord62
      Because Lukashenko scored SUCH number of votes
    6. alexej123
      alexej123 24 December 2015 09: 55 New
      0
      Согласен, кроме "Это в Перми или в Вологде можно отсидеться, но не в Полоцке или Кобрине". Это вы о чём, что русские не сражаются на смерть, не чета вам белорусам?
  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 23 December 2015 19: 24 New
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    Бред!Высосано из пальца. Никакой литвинностью не пахнет( по крайней мере я даже намёка на такое не видел и не слышал. Вона с памятниками? Ещё хуже бреда. Автор нашёл какой-то придуманный им же пример и ставит во главу угла. Памятник может быть не поставлен по многим причинам, а не только по тем, которые выгодны кому-то для описания ситуации. Или поставлен даже не по тем критериям, которые нужны для описания ситуации. Это вообще проблема отдельно взятого государства. и ситуация с памятником отнюдь не является показательной для политики. А если учитывать условность нашей истории, то возню с памятниками вообще считаю детской. В любом государстве есть определённый процент националистов, носящихся, как с торбою, со своими притязаниями и что? Считать их помыслы государственными и бить тревогу?? Примеры стоят перед глазами и в Прибалтике, и в(на) украине,потому можете спать спокойно. Боитесь дрейфов ,подобно украинскому??? Опять же - можете спать спокойно, мы видим последствия таких "кульбитов", потому даже сами милиционеры такого не допустят без всяких приказов.
    So what is the author eating? Fear for us ???? Yes, we ourselves are kind of not small laughing
    And regarding the general mood - I’ll tell you by my own example
    Городок маленький - около 3 тыщ. Две школы - русская и белорусская(никто никуда не агитирует,учись или там или там, как твоей душе угодно), памятники есть и Константину Острожкому( времён так называемого ВКЛ) и православию. Две действующие церкви, православные и ещё какая-то сектантская. Все существуют мирно и чинно.Гостиниц куча, летом выходишь на центр - никого не знаешь. Кабаков и кафешек в пересчёте на кол-во жителей более чем достаточно. Какой-то россиянин открыл свой бизнес в соседней деревне - никто его не напрягает,живи на здоровье. Все разговаривают(несмотря на школы) на русском языке. Из заметных изменений только более заметные появления погранцов из-за южного "демократического" соседа. Которые приветствуются, ибо никто не хочет украинского сценария.
    WHERE IS THE PROBLEMS DESCRIBED BY THE AUTHOR ???? I will answer - in the head of the author!
    Personally, my opinion hi Minus negative
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 23 December 2015 20: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: Rurikovich
      . and the situation with the monument is by no means indicative of politics

      A chicken by the grain ...
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 23 December 2015 20: 57 New
        +4
        No need to see the trick in everything wink If so, in all that is not obvious, to look for something that is not there, then you can not survive until retirement or pick up sores on the basis of nerves smile
        Раскачиваются только те страны, которые "хотят" раскачаться. А последние 20 лет показывают,да и сравнение с соседями, что мы этого не хотим soldier
        So in vain do you write this wink
        1. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 23 December 2015 21: 27 New
          0
          You there, of course, know better. Glad I will be wrong. After being burnt in milk, blow into the water hi
          1. regsSSSR
            regsSSSR 23 December 2015 23: 03 New
            +4
            By the way, in Polotsk in 2-10, the Monument to the Heroes of the Patriotic War of 1812 was restored! very majestic
            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Памятник_героям_Отечествен
            war_1812_year_ (Paul
            bcc)
            and also near Polotsk in the village of Klyastitsy (where the main battle took place), a monument has also been restored (Klyastitsy: an undeservedly forgotten victory of Russian weapons)
            http://www.postkomsg.com/history/199397/
            so don’t worry, you don’t take it all so much they restore it on the contrary!
            Well, about the Khatyn memorial complex I can not even mention! have been there a magnificent large-scale complex of the tragic history of the people. when you are on its territory, especially if in the twilight honestly it is already breathtaking! no such historical memory is so easy to break
      2. regsSSSR
        regsSSSR 23 December 2015 22: 18 New
        +1
        Semen Semyonitch
        Quote: Rurikovich
        . and the situation with the monument is by no means indicative of politics
        A chicken by the grain ...

        generally agree but ..
        (unfortunately I don’t know about the situation with this monument (how do I know what I will write in detail)
        BUT, when in the city of Khimki in the 90th years near Moscow near the famous Lavochkin plant (the radionovo district) for some reason they demolished a whole alley of monuments of the heroes of the partisans (I honestly don’t even remember who they were exactly), which was why I was remembered by the way! tyk to anyone this for some reason it wasn’t interesting not in presey or where not a word not gu gu !! say so! I think there are a lot of such situations, just some are inflated to universal proportions, but others do not even pay attention to the same! that's how it goes hi
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    2. Arkon
      Arkon 23 December 2015 21: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: Rurikovich
      It doesn’t smell like litvina (at least I haven’t even seen or heard a hint of this.


      А Ротари-клуб знаете? Достаточно значимое в Белоруссии объединение предпринимателей. Вполне официальная масонская "дочка". У меня однокашник из Минска её член. У них "литвинство" - корпоративная идеология.
      "Литвинство" внедряется как идеология "белорусской интеллигенции", "исторически-подкованных белоруссов". Как нечто элитарное и престижное.

      Through these entrepreneurs, financing will pass at the right time.
      Так что, верю, что лично вы ничего об этом не слышали, но также просто знаю, что "литвинство" активно "педалируют" в Белоруссии. Это просто факт -чего тут спорить?

      Another question is that, of course, Belarus is not Ukraine, but the danger cannot be underestimated. There is nothing more dangerous than underestimating the enemy. You will not argue with this?
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 23 December 2015 21: 49 New
        +3
        Such lovers of Freemasonry and all kinds of closed societies have the KGB. Therefore, in case of their really serious attacks towards the state, sanctions can follow that they will really become closed. But not only in their toys in the gods, but in security cameras.
        По поводу финансирования уже выбрасывались документы после последней попытки переворота в 11-м году. Так что таким "исторически-подкованным" белорусам нужно провести линию, какую нельзя пересекать. Мы вон с кумом тоже состоим в секретном обществе от его жены,и встречаемся два раза в год для конспирации и пьём за Великую страну. Потому и КГБ мы не интересны laughing
        So do not worry, the operatives will not miss serious things, and you need to deal with childishness wisely. And a company of a dozen freaks with their charters is not harmful if it does not create problems for itself.
        Yes, and about Litvinism. We are not going to live under the panes, therefore the planting of such an option under any pretext is practically unrealistic. And the story is closer closer, with Victory Day, and not the one that is drawn in the sore minds of the population, the amount of which balances on statistical errors in the hundredths to tenths of a percent ... And for the population, the monuments to the dead and burned villages are closer than some pans and gentry. So sleep well. smile
        1. Arkon
          Arkon 23 December 2015 21: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: Rurikovich
          So do not worry, the operatives will not miss serious things, and you need to deal with childishness wisely. And a company of a dozen freaks with their charters is not harmful if it does not create problems for itself.


          God grant.
          As for the KGB, people work there too. And the KGB has leaders. There will be betrayal at the top and no KGB will do anything.

          At the same time, I, like you, are sure that nothing will come of them with Belarus. Khrenushki. wink
      2. Lord of Wrath
        Lord of Wrath 24 December 2015 01: 27 New
        0
        Quote: Arkon
        А Ротари-клуб знаете? Достаточно значимое в Белоруссии объединение предпринимателей. Вполне официальная масонская "дочка". У меня однокашник из Минска её член. У них "литвинство" - корпоративная идеология.

        Your friend is lying)
        We tried to make the Rotary Club about 10-15 years ago. It just ended before it started. The icon is lying around at home.
        Yes, and the masses (as well as many other organizations) in Belarus are banned and persecuted by the KGB
        1. Arkon
          Arkon 24 December 2015 10: 04 New
          +2
          Well, what ended 10 years ago - you got excited: http://rotary.org.by
          True, the latest news on the website for 2014, which inspires certain hopes.

          Я, наверное, неточно выразился. Ротари сам по-себе - хрень, но он прекрасно иллюстрирует откуда "растут ноги" у литвинства. Вот отсюда и растут - из масонства.
          Just when the idea goes to the masses, the source is no longer visible.
          Therefore, he wrote about Rotary so that the source was clear.
    3. regsSSSR
      regsSSSR 23 December 2015 21: 53 New
      +4
      Rurikovich
      WHERE IS THE PROBLEMS DESCRIBED BY THE AUTHOR ???? I will answer - in the head of the author!
      Personally, my opinion is hi Minus negative


      nord62
      There are many facts that can be cited, but I have one conclusion: Your article is bullfinch, absolutely groundless, harming Belarusian-Russian relations. Definitely! hi


      write everything correctly! Totally, absolutely and unconditionally agree !!!
      Yes, and just do who writes and believes in the war, probably has no idea about Belarus, maybe at all there was once!

      I myself am a citizen of the Russian Federation, I just live in Belarus for a long time in a small town with a population of 5 thousand people! I travel a lot talking with people and I can definitely say the article is completely nonsense, very mare! in order to have at least the slightest idea of ​​what is really happening here, you need to LIVE and see everything yourself and not read the yellow articles! with the situation in or in Ukraine) you can’t even compare closely! and while Lukashenko’s power, a scenario similar to Ukrainian in prince ne is even theoretically impossible, period !!! I have already written a lot on this subject, just rewriting and reprinting and every time reacting to any petty propaganda (and so it is clear to whom and why necessary) is already tired!
  • KP8789
    KP8789 23 December 2015 19: 28 New
    0
    Some kind of nonsense. It surprises the placement of a clearly provocative article on VO.
    Военное обозрение постепенно "желтеет",а жаль.
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 23 December 2015 20: 05 New
      +6
      Bullshit is not bullshit. And in Ukraine, Europe!
  • igorra
    igorra 23 December 2015 19: 30 New
    14
    How many minuses did they put for the same words? In Hohland, it was also slowly starting to remind you what was going on there now? Tear off the ass boys’s ass, go outside, talk to the Belarusians. What about the facts? Here's one: Ukraine was supported by money, even when they themselves had nothing to eat, they supported it.
    We thought instead of communication we will give money all right. We support Belarus with money, then tell a fairy tale about a white bull-calf or do you talk more?
  • Pirogov
    Pirogov 23 December 2015 20: 00 New
    14
    And I’ll tell you, it was also calm and peaceful somewhere, jackals yapping, everyone, too, perceived them as one hundred normal there are two offended, like a patriot, ... And now Pin..do..siya singled out pennies. Then you know.
    1. lexa333
      lexa333 23 December 2015 20: 16 New
      +2
      support
      1. Pirogov
        Pirogov 23 December 2015 20: 37 New
        -2
        Hi Lyokha, are you from Zaporozhye from which region I am from a shevchik ...
  • Pancho
    Pancho 23 December 2015 20: 07 New
    +3
    The Russian government structures do not seem to notice the colossal everyday struggle going on in the field of information confrontation in the Lukashenko state, are in no hurry to support the friends of our country, and are not repelling its ill-wishers.
    And they poured Ukraine, now the turn of Belarus has come. And then they are amazed at Russophobia on the blue eye. My decent words have ended, some obscene words are torn out.
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  • ASK505
    ASK505 23 December 2015 20: 16 New
    +8
    Половину Минска Лукашенко уже продал Катару, со слов Сатановского. Продаёт также шейхам Катара оружие, которое потом стреляет в солдат Асада. А Катар с саудитами - главный спонсор против Сирии. Грузовики военные МАЗ продаёт на Украину. Не признал Ю.Осетию, Абхазию. Ни слова поддержки нашей авиации в Сирии. За два месяца! Подрабатывает втихаря на санкционных продуктах. И всё это на фоне льгот и финансовой подпитки от России. А сколько мы ещё не знаем? Всё пытается танцевать на двух свадьбах одновременно, как Каддафи, Хуссейн или Янукович. О человеке судят по поступкам. Вспомнились слова Сталина: "Ви враг или ?", когда он спрашивал об этом и у врагов, предлагая сделать выбор.
  • ruskih
    ruskih 23 December 2015 20: 17 New
    +8
    I have been reading VO for a long time, but one day, after another mud in the comments, and my patience burst, I registered. I felt like a similar article should appear on VO. No way the boys involved in national politics woke up. Well, so "Good morning!". Only a day is already in the yard. The truth is that they asked me to get ahead of me in the comments, so I won’t repeat myself.
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 23 December 2015 20: 45 New
      +3
      Quote: ruskih
      No way the boys involved in national politics woke up. Well, so "Good morning!". Only a day is already in the yard.

      "Мальчики", от которых зависит наше светлое общее будущее, еще спят. При аврале разбить стекло... hi
      1. ruskih
        ruskih 23 December 2015 20: 58 New
        +1
        Semen Semenych, and you kick them in the ass, so that they not only open their eyes.
        1. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 23 December 2015 21: 30 New
          +1
          Shoe size is small request for such a kick ...
          1. ruskih
            ruskih 23 December 2015 22: 26 New
            +3
            Thanks for the positive. Laughing from the heart.
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            2. Semen Semyonitch
              Semen Semyonitch 24 December 2015 06: 20 New
              0
              Contact hi
  • veksha50
    veksha50 23 December 2015 20: 17 New
    0
    "Проспали же мы Украину"...

    I completely agree with the author of the article ... And the situation described by him is absolutely not new ... What, someone did not know and does not know that Belarus has the same problem as Ukraine - East and West ?? ? This was known back in Soviet times ...

    History is again distorted ... Each muttering in its own pipe, according to its own notes ...
    And again, the Polish Panov, and again the Catholics ... No, I don’t have anything against the Poles (though, the eternal enemies of Russia) as people, nor against Catholicism ... However, I am opposed when I enter politics with the aim of delimiting people intervenes just the racial-national essence and religion ...

    And now it’s not only a matter of father’s politics ... The thing is whether the people of Belarus will give people a chance to walk around, who make up a fraction of the whole population ... And the fact that Russia again, in reproach to itself, will lose a friend and associate, and a good neighbor ...

    PS There was still not enough side by side with a new scammer ...
  • gendir.grifon
    gendir.grifon 23 December 2015 20: 25 New
    +6
    Русь или "историческая" Русь, как её сейчас политкорректно называют, должна быть единой, т.е. в Россию должны входить на правах областей или округов бывшая Украина, бывшая Белоруссия, северный Казахстан. И страна должна быть унитарной, наличие в составе РФ национальных республик (государств по Конституции РФ) - это мина замедленного действия, а возможно и "быстрая" мина. Все остальные "государства", ранее входившие в СССР, должны быть прочно в сфере влияния России.
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 23 December 2015 20: 56 New
      +8
      Quote: gendir.grifon
      И страна должна быть унитарной, наличие в составе РФ национальных республик (государств по Конституции РФ) - это мина замедленного действия, а возможно и "быстрая" мина

      What you propose is the real bomb, the Russian Empire, the USSR, the Russian Federation have always been federal. Take the same Ukraine, say these sheep zapadentsev leave the south-east of Ukraine the Russian language and the right to self-government, and zapadentsev that, And still not dead Ukraine and the friendship trains began to send east with the militants, and then Odessa Khatyn, the result, Crimea fled home to Russia, in the Donbass war and not the fact that Ukraine will retain the remnants that it has left. And in Russia. When the federal agreement with Tatarstan they signed a salute in Moscow in 1992 as on Victory Day. And the 1st and 2nd Chechen wars, so Russia has always been federal. If you want to destroy Russia make it unitary. Sorry if I offended you with your remarks. Respect hi
      1. Extraneous
        Extraneous 23 December 2015 22: 47 New
        +2
        vovanpain (3) SU
        , these sheep were told to the zapadents leave the south-east of Ukraine the Russian language and the right to self-government, and the zapadents that


        Это распространённое заблуждение. Начнём с того, что все, кто сейчас у власти на Окраине, имеют свой достаточно крупный бизнес. А это требует достаточно хороших организаторских способностей и умения просчитывать последствия своих действий. Тут сразу начнут кричать о том, что "наворовали" и "грабят", типа - много ума не надо. Так воровать тоже нужно уметь! Своровав нужно уметь не просадить наворованное, а заставить деньги работать и приносить прибыль.
        Это по поводу "баранов".

        Проект "Окраина" изначально задумывался как место будущей войны в которую нужно втянуть Россию. Порошенко и иже с ним - ИСПОЛНИТЕЛИ. У них стояла задача доведения состояния народа до социального взрыва и возникновения условий для гражданской войны. Для этого и делалось всё, что требовалось. Работу они выполнили. Война в наличии. Россию ещё пока не получилось втянуть. Но к этому прилагаются все усилия. На Донбассе вот-вот начнутся снова активные действия.
        Так что "западенцы" далеко не так тупы, как хотелось бы нам. Работа у них такая - изображать тупиц. Ну так и Путин довольно долго изображал из себя либерала. Но работу свою делал.

        Belarus, in my opinion, is waiting for the same thing. And no Lukashenko’s efforts to sit still will save Belarus from subsequent cataclysms.

        Борьба по очередному переделу мира вступает в "горячую" фазу и ни одна страна не сможет пересидеть её спокойно.
    2. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 23 December 2015 22: 35 New
      0
      Northern Kazakhstan, with what fright did Russia become?
  • Mahal Makhalych
    Mahal Makhalych 23 December 2015 20: 28 New
    +8
    Partially true, but basically another stuffing that would drive a wedge between the peoples of two fraternal countries. Not everything is so scary. And yes, Belarusians need to pay more attention.
    There are morons-zapadentsy, but not much praise God.
    Old Man has recently been behaving not quite beautifully towards Russia, but politics is the dirtiest thing in the world. I do not condone it, for example, it’s embarrassing for the Russians both for kissing with a pig and for silence in the Turks.
  • ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 23 December 2015 20: 29 New
    +1
    It is difficult not to know the problem from the inside to draw any conclusions. But I did not like the statement, it is clear that because of the sluggishness of our policy in Ukraine, blood is pouring there. I think most people are tired of feeling guilty about someone's stupidity. Always guilty of everything. No, in nothing and before no one
  • VOROBEICHIK
    VOROBEICHIK 23 December 2015 20: 35 New
    +3
    Quote: KP8789
    Some kind of nonsense. It surprises the placement of a clearly provocative article on VO.
    Военное обозрение постепенно "желтеет",а жаль.

    That's right. Personally, I have friends and Russians and Russians, it is a pity that all the Jewish friends left for a long time, and we had a great time together, and we spend it. My opinion is that Belarusians are patient people, and if it breaks out in Belarus, it is only for economic reasons - rising unemployment, moronic tax (s), low wages.
    1. Arkon
      Arkon 23 December 2015 22: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: VOROBEICHIK
      and if Belarus breaks out, then only for economic reasons - rising unemployment, moronic tax (s), low wages.


      Oh yo ... crying
      Эта "европейски-корректная" музыка будет вечной...

      Ну просто для себя, подумайте. Найдите хоть один пример "полыхания" из-за "экономических проблем". Ну хоть один!
      In India, weavers have died and have not rebelled in millions. In Ireland in the 19th century also hundreds of thousands of starvation died - and nothing. What taxes ?? !! What are you talking about ?!

      Any rebellion is always ideology. Is always. Dot.
  • Eastern wind
    Eastern wind 23 December 2015 20: 36 New
    +2
    He agrees with the author of the material, as he himself wrote this spring about how much the internal moods of Belarus are changing. Began sly the replacement of St. George ribbons on the Belarusian color! Then the comments were full of provocation accusations ...
    1. ruskih
      ruskih 23 December 2015 20: 54 New
      +3
      Yes, calm down, there are still St. George ribbons on the machines.
      1. james
        james 23 December 2015 21: 19 New
        0
        ribbons that is, but officially refused them.
        1. ruskih
          ruskih 23 December 2015 21: 39 New
          +4
          Потому,что этот "колор" появился гораздо раньше, чем в России повсеместно стали использовать георгиевскую ленточку. Ну что, патриотическое воспитание в конце 90-х разорвали, растоптали и закопали. Слава богу, опомнились, пытаетесь по кусочкам собрать. Конечно, лучше поздно, чем никогда. Мы, как некоторые, старым праздникам новые названия не придумываем, а я смотрю вы всё в поиске. И кстати, так какого цвета в вашем календаре 7 ноября, патриоты? А у нас все эти годы Красным!
      2. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 23 December 2015 22: 23 New
        -1
        Quote: ruskih
        Yes, calm down, there are still St. George ribbons on the machines.

        Согласен,Елена. И никто не требует их снять. Что и печалит разного рода "всепропальщиков" и иных любителей поискать чёрную кошку там, где её нету lol hi
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 23 December 2015 20: 41 New
    +1
    Майдан в Укропии разгорался не сразу. И Янукович тянул "кота за хвост" так долго, что дал время и возможность себя же и сковырнуть. И то пришлось провокацию со снайперским огнём организовывать. Батька, пока жив, этого не допустит ни за что. А вот кто будет после - это вопрос. Пока там - тихо, аж скучно. У меня много знакомых - белоруссов. Нормально там все.
  • By001261
    By001261 23 December 2015 20: 46 New
    +3
    And at the expense of the monuments, I can say that this year a monument was erected and opened in Mogilev to General M.T. Romanov. just before May 9th. Do you know about this?
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 23 December 2015 21: 04 New
      +3
      The author should not mention this, because it will contradict the topic and message of the article. And this once again proves that there is a usual substitution of concepts and an attempt to stir up the water !!! Therefore, words are heard about some prohibitions on the installation of monuments and other billiards. Therefore, one should really be suspicious of such articles, and before drawing conclusions, the truth is written or not, to analyze the material with confirmations or refutations of the material from various other sources.
      What are we in the comments and try to do drinks
  • VOROBEICHIK
    VOROBEICHIK 23 December 2015 20: 53 New
    -2
    Quote: Anatole Klim
    Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
    Old Man with the people and this is important! It can be twisted as much as possible .. For that I respect him!

    And I do not respect:
    - he never supported Russia in difficult times, did not recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia;
    -called in Kiev to fight for the Crimea, which means to kill Russian soldiers;
    - I didn’t send a single humcon convoy to the Donbass, where old people, women and children die from hunger and lack of medicines, claiming that there is no Russian world;
    - Framed Putin with the air base, when Putin instructed the Russian government to sign an agreement on the creation of the air base, said that he knew nothing about it;
    -does not stop smuggling, giving the West the opportunity to circumvent retaliatory Russian sanctions, undermining the effect of retaliatory countermeasures, and not fulfilling allied obligations;
    - Again he was silent when the SU-24 was shot down.
    To save power, I’m ready to do anything, moral standards, allied commitments, promises and decency are not about him, the main thing is to get out ...

    Let me remind you that on September 18 of this year, a meeting between V.V. Putin and A.G. Lukashenko took place in the city of Sochi. As a result of the meeting, it became clear that A. G. Lukashenko received a blessing from V. V. Putin for the next term.
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 23 December 2015 21: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: VOROBEICHIK
      A. G. Lukashenko received a blessing from V.V. Putin for the next term.

      One of the two of them told you this, Dmitry Peskov did not voice such details.
  • brisk
    brisk 23 December 2015 20: 57 New
    +6
    Автор статьи из креативного класса. Из "православного креативного класса", так сказать. Что он делит белорусов на западных белорусов, на восточных белорусов? Что он ищет православных, католиков в Беларуси? Это что, сейчас 21 век или 17 век? Это что, сейчас времена Тараса Бульбы, когда эти вопросы были жизненно важными: какой ты ХРИСТИАНИН --- православный или католический? Да и тогда они были надуманными вопросами людьми очень мало понимавшими в том, что такое истинная ВЕРА христианская, а не религия. Христианин он и в Африке христианин, если он действительно ХРИСТИАНИН, а не хамелеон от веры христианской. Как уже достало это глупое деление этих вздорных креативщиков. Они и 30 лет назад исподволь такими закидонами начинали --- "вера... истоки...православие... католичество..." Белорусы живут в Беларуси. Хоть в Гродно, хоть в Гомеле, хоть в Бресте, хоть в Могилёве... Все они там белорусы. Белорусы они и в Южно-Африканской Республике белорусами останутся. Какая нахрен разница, если какая-та жменька жителей будет считать себя верующими ХРИСТИАНАМИ? И при этом кто-то пойдёт в христианскую католическую церкву, а кто-то в христианскую православную церкву. Нет разницы. Если они действительно от своей веры будут христианами. И вообще --- и в России, и в Беларуси церковь и религия отделены от государства. Можешь быть православным, католиком, униатом. А можешь быть и кришнаитом --- это что, разве хуже, чем быть христианином? Это вопрос свободы совести, а не гос. дел. В царской России на это и вообще не акцентировали внимания и свобода совести и вероисповедания были настоящими. А тогда Россия была поправославней, чем сейчас. И как один из результатов такой политики ---- немцев в 1914 не выселили с Поволжья, в отличие от 1941. А тады выселили без разговоров. Это всё из той же песочницы --- западные-восточные, католичество-православие... Только что-то не слышно, чтобы в Первую мировую немцы подданные России переходили к кайзеровской Германии и изменяли стране своего рождения и проживания. России то есть.
  • DPN
    DPN 23 December 2015 21: 07 New
    0
    After the collapse of the country, peoples began to live worse. There used to be ideas and their embodiment, the building of communism and justice, now they turned to God and capitalism and gave the idea of ​​money above all else. Some Russians also fled under the cover of NATO by buying real estate in the west, and what is worse for Belarus.
  • james
    james 23 December 2015 21: 16 New
    +1
    Почитайте форумы на основном бела русском сайте www.tut.by на темы Украины, Сирии, сбитого су-24, сбитого боинга и вы поймете , что не все так однозначно и русофобия с подачи "друзей" набирает обороты, особенно среди тех кто не помнит или в силу молодости не застал СССР.
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 23 December 2015 21: 29 New
      +4
      Дабы Вам было известно, "тут.бай" является частным информативным сайтом, и для того, чтобы иметь возможность являться таким на просторах страны, он должен соблюдать правила игры и те условия существования, которые установлены государством. НО! Владелец сайта гражданин США и спонсируется из частных средств. А потому,по сути, является оппозиционным,но вперемешку с подачей основных государственных новостей для прикрытия. Потому и могут подаваться статьи под таким соусом( кто платит, тот и танцует).
      Personally, I draw the basic information from Russian sites, and that’s so, for comparison and analytics. I just know what this is. Buy in politics. And in the comments to the articles on the site, the attitude towards ordinary visitors in comparison with outright scumbags is felt. One can and should banish the power, the other can not say anything bad about America or Europe. Feel on your own skin lol
      Therefore, it’s impossible to consider him an official representative of the authorities. And it refers to what is written there at the expense of politics with great suspicion hi
  • Lex.
    Lex. 23 December 2015 21: 27 New
    +1
    Now, in school and university textbooks, chapters devoted to the Grand Duchy of Lithuania are growing, like by leaps and bounds. The territory of present Belarus was part of it from the XNUMXth to the XNUMXth century. And the farther, the more Belarusian historians say what grace it was

    so should Belarusians abandon their history?
  • Lex.
    Lex. 23 December 2015 21: 27 New
    +1
    Now, in school and university textbooks, chapters devoted to the Grand Duchy of Lithuania are growing, like by leaps and bounds. The territory of present Belarus was part of it from the XNUMXth to the XNUMXth century. And the farther, the more Belarusian historians say what grace it was

    so should Belarusians abandon their history?
  • agaudi
    agaudi 23 December 2015 21: 29 New
    +3
    Если в "войне памятников" затронут Витебск, то отмечу, что согласована установка памятника Александру Невскому в этом городе, он уже отлит, в следующем году установят в историческом центре города. Так что статье минус от меня
  • Comrade Zapirdulin
    Comrade Zapirdulin 23 December 2015 21: 33 New
    0
    Quote: veksha50
    Quote: herruvim
    Lukashenko is not the whole Belarusian people, let him release T-shirts with his image and then everyone will see his true rating



    But a good, simple, cheap and more reliable method to find out the rating than any polls ...

    the method is undeniably cheap and simple, but not reliable enough, the cheaper the T-shirt - the higher the trust and love ... of the population?
  • pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 23 December 2015 21: 46 New
    +3
    And after all, I read something interesting on the site today. To Kazakhstan, from where many Russian-speaking emigrated to Russia, they delivered the S-300 complexes for free, while the analogous ones were delivered to Bulbash for money. At the same time, there are practically no useful expensive natural resources in Belarus, unlike Kazakhstan.
    Well, as for the history of White Russia. so it was not only part of the Russian Empire, but also in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.
    The Grand Duchy of Lithuania is an Eastern European state that existed from the middle of the XIII century to 1795 in the territory of modern Belarus and Lithuania, as well as partially in Ukraine, Russia, Latvia, Poland, Estonia and Moldova.
    Since 1385, it was in personal union with the Kingdom of Poland, and since 1569, in the Sejm of Lublin Union as part of the Federal Commonwealth. In the XV-XVI centuries, the Grand Duchy of Lithuania was a rival to the Grand Duchy of Moscow in the struggle for dominance on Russian lands. It was eliminated by the Constitution on May 3, 1791. It finally ceased to exist after the third division of the Commonwealth in 1795. By 1815, the entire territory of the former principality became part of the Russian Empire.
    If you follow the author, then Belarusians should destroy the Nesvizh and Mir castles to the ground.
    1. robbihood
      robbihood 23 December 2015 21: 58 New
      +1
      Согласен, земляк. В РФ забывают, а верне,е не хотят смириться с тем, что мы не автономная Белорусская республика Российской Федерации, а независимое государство - Республика Беларусь. И строиться по команде "Смирно!" из Кремля, у нас никто не собирается. У нас с вами - единое экономическое пространство, а это не подразумевает маршировать за Путиным в любые политические катаклизмы - Грузия, Крым, Донбасс, Сирия, Турция. Даже в НАТО не все страны этого союза, лезут в американские заварушки. У нас один вектор - ДРУЖБА с соседями - Россией, Прибалтикой, Польшей, Украиной. И взаимовыгодные отношения. Мы очень спокойный, дружелюбный народ. Если к нам относятся так же.
      1. brisk
        brisk 23 December 2015 22: 15 New
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        Quote: robbihood
        that we are not an autonomous Belarusian Republic of the Russian Federation, but an independent state - the Republic of Belarus


        But autonomy and autonomy are different. In the same United States can just take the federal from Washington and directly redistribute the finances and assets of its states? Take from some and give to others? Hardly. And even in the USSR there were some frictions between the BSSR and the union capital of Moscow? Rumor has it that Masherov in 1980 not just flew under a truck. He was deeply disliked for something in Moscow. One can only guess why he became unloved in Moscow. Societies today are probably still not fully ripe, not ready.
      2. ASK505
        ASK505 24 December 2015 08: 59 New
        +1
        You are our independent. My hut is on the edge. You still did not understand that historically you are part of Russian civilization or the Russian World. The West suffers you and promises cookies as long as Russia is strong. And who needs you in the West with our family ties and your products?
      3. Arkon
        Arkon 24 December 2015 10: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: robbihood
        and this does not mean marching behind Putin into any political cataclysms - Georgia, Crimea, Donbass, Syria, Turkey.


        Very revealing comment. Well, that is, if your brother beat the punks in the gateway tomorrow, then you need to quickly go to the punks to agree that you haven't been beaten yet, and let the brother get out himself, because you have one thing in common - only your father’s apartment as a legacy for two.
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      5. alexej123
        alexej123 24 December 2015 10: 40 New
        +3
        Во, нормальное определение - СОСЕДИ. Только тогда вопрос, почему, когда приперает ваш руководитель сразу вспоминает "братьев"?
      6. combat66
        combat66 24 December 2015 11: 21 New
        0
        В чем то вы правы, но мне кажется однобоко. Посмотрите, какая мелочь за штаты глотки рвет, Европа санкциями душит, Канада вписывается куда надо и куда не надо, Австралия "три копейки вставляет. Вот это союзники и не важно куплены они, или не куплены. А у нас вроде на словах - Да, а вот по поводу дела - многовекторно. winked
        1. alexej123
          alexej123 25 December 2015 07: 58 New
          0
          Согласен с вами. Я уже писал - все кричат "Россия ничего не делала, денег не вкладывала и т.д.". У меня вопрос, а почему Россия должна повторять ошибки СССР и США? Почему мы должны кому-то давать просто за хорошее отношение? Покупать? Ведь тогда останется три варианта - со временем будут требовать давать дальше: 1.Давать, 2.Уговаривать, 3. Ломать через колено, что сейчас делают США с вассалами. За многовекторность - ну не знаю, по моему, в России, последние лет 10 появилась внятная внешняя политика.
    2. Arkon
      Arkon 24 December 2015 10: 14 New
      +2
      Вот об этом я и пишу. Что "литвинство" внедряется как "идеология исторически-грамотного населения".
      Do you really think that people here did not study at school?
  • 31rus
    31rus 23 December 2015 21: 47 New
    +1
    Уважаемые,еще раз не верь на писаному,включи мозги,то что преподносит автор в любой стране,а в России в любой области,можно подогнать данную статью,согласен только с одним Россия просто обязана ,влиять на "судьбу"приграничных государств,в этом и заключается дальновидность политики,а не в создании переговоров типа "Минск","Вена"
  • VOROBEICHIK
    VOROBEICHIK 23 December 2015 21: 50 New
    -1
    One of the two of them told you this, Dmitry Peskov did not voice such details. [/ Quote]
    Sorry, I didn’t come out with a rank, so that I could learn it from the first lips. And, judging by your comments, you superficially know what is happening in the Republic of Belarus. PS Do not look at my flag, lately, for some reason (?), It has changed twice.
  • drroc
    drroc 23 December 2015 21: 57 New
    +8
    Hello. I decided to register and insert my five cents. The article is scary, but in my opinion, it does not correspond to reality, although there are a few things to be afraid of and conclusions to be drawn. I myself am from the city of Zhodino, Minsk region. I work at the bank and at work, among other things, there are talks about both the Donbass and Syria. Most, of course, are for Russia, including myself, as born in the USSR. But if you read on TUT.by any article related to Russia, you are horrified how many opponents of the alliance with Russia. It scares. What I think about this myself. Belarusians themselves are greedy people, let the opponents of this statement forgive me, if I'm wrong. But I have reason to think so, because I have already lived. This is to the fact that recently among my acquaintances you sometimes hear this: Something (Belarus) attracts us all to those (Russia) who are poorer. This is one of the popular sayings you hear. Those. everyone still believes that in Europe the prices are lower and people live better and all that. In a word, everyone wants to live at least as in Poland or Lithuania. Russians, get rich quicker, make prices low and bulbashs and even Ukrainians will reach you, they are also no less greedy than we are.
    На работе валяется кем то презентованный DVD диск "Несвижский замок", это фильм о замке, о Радзивилах всяких, о шляхте, т.е. о врагах России, если коротко. Диск уже лет пять валяется в упаковке в тумбочке, кому ни предложу, ни кто не хочет себе взять и посмотреть, при чем бесплатно. Молодежь, особенно столичная, спит и видит себя в гейропе, поэтому опасения на счет будущего с Россией не безосновательные.
    Кто то выше писал о том, как плакал после просмотра фильма "Иди и смотри". А мне этот фильм запомнился по своему. Во время службы в 1988-1990 в дивизии им. Держинского в г. Реутов, наша рота ходила в кино на этот фильм, я остался в наряде. После фильма попался я на глаза ком. роты по фамилии Загребин, кстати хохлом и услышал о себе, о Белоруссии, о Белорусах очень много не приятных слов, среди критиков были и Россияне. О фильме это я так, просто не приятно и не забываемо.
    1. robbihood
      robbihood 23 December 2015 22: 07 New
      +1
      Strange you, respectable, Belarusian. No one, among those whom I know, will call the fellow countrymen in the media Bulbashs. Yes, and everyone is already used to calling their country - Belarus. I think you became a Belarusian after the army, but you never tried to love her.
    2. pilot bin-bom
      pilot bin-bom 23 December 2015 22: 39 New
      -3
      На работе валяется кем то презентованный DVD диск "Несвижский замок", это фильм о замке, о Радзивилах всяких, о шляхте, т.е. о врагах России, если коротко.

      So about Belarus can only say one to whom it is alien to the original. We would go and see the historical pearls of Nesvizh and Mir castles. And if after that - enemies around - then a suitcase, train station, Russia - you will not be forcibly sweet.
      1. pilot bin-bom
        pilot bin-bom 23 December 2015 23: 49 New
        0
        Hey minus one - how can you blame something that you haven’t seen in your eyes?
        1. Kostya Andreev
          Kostya Andreev 24 December 2015 07: 05 New
          +3
          Quote: Pilot bin-bom
          And if after that - enemies around - then a suitcase, train station, Russia - you will not be forcibly sweet.

          They told me like that, too. And in reply to you, a suitcase station and Poland, hello pan Bzdyshek.
        2. combat66
          combat66 24 December 2015 11: 29 New
          +1
          Я Минусовал и замок не то что на картинках, а каждый месяц руками трогаю. А минус за "чемоданы"!
          I have the right.
      2. Michael_59
        Michael_59 24 December 2015 05: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: Pilot bin-bom
        then a suitcase, train station, Russia -


        Suitcase - Station - Britain
    3. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 24 December 2015 12: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: drroc
      Belarusians are greedy people

      Domovy, domovy people.
      So still Kuzya the house-maker used to say, though not about balarus, but he was still right.
  • Comrade Zapirdulin
    Comrade Zapirdulin 23 December 2015 22: 00 New
    0
    Quote: dmi.pris
    Nothing good can be expected with our leadership (too kind-hearted, even when they wipe their feet on Russia .. They will give a loan, then the scammers and political twists and turns. Moreover, Lukashenko is trying to please both yours and ours (by the way, quite successfully). it is possible only under definitely harsh conditions (although Putin has no effective levers left) .. There remains only a chatter on TV.
    Quote: The same Lech
    What are the specific recipes to avoid the Ukrainian scenario?

    Наше руководство, как обычно ... помните был у нас министр один на букву Зэ фамилия, ну тот что пенсионеров минетизировал, то ли чего не так с этим получилось у него, но посчитали что послом на нэзалэжной он больше пригодится, у него там и бизнес и связи, всё куплено - это со слов нашего пиризидента тогдашнего и что мы с того поимели? да в очередной раз нас поимели. Необходимо работать с населением, особенно молодёжью, а не просто "батьке" денег валить. Пусть каждый житель Белоруссии знает - чем Русский Народ помог, а не "батька" хитрозаднепроходный из очередной заначки облагодетельствовал, где наши политтехнологи? к выборам готовятся? тут автор статьи про русского медведя интересовался, что этот медведь сосать будет? так с такими подходами нашего руководства к этой насущной проблеме, ответ весьма очевиден и предсказуем - сосать тот медведь будет даже ... не лапу
  • North
    North 23 December 2015 22: 12 New
    +1
    Dulles Plan
  • Tjeck
    Tjeck 23 December 2015 22: 15 New
    -2
    Another nonsense, I sincerely wish Russia all the governors of the Old Man type. Every time I come to my hometown of Vitebsk, the first days I usually don’t recognize anything, they rebuilt completely. And don’t start gundos saying that why you don’t work in Belarus since everything is so good there, the reasons are simple ..

    1. Too lazy to pass a qualification exam and it’s not a fact that I’ll pass because I passed the Swedish standards.

    2. I see no reason to change the work to an identical one where they will pay me ~ 6 times less. But let me remind you that even at the beginning of zero, the teacher's salary was 50-70 green candy wrappers, and now 300-500 depending on the region.
    1. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 24 December 2015 07: 07 New
      0
      Household dad keeps on the sales market in Russia, and cheap energy.
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 23 December 2015 22: 21 New
    +5
    Judging by the comments of Belarusians, I really didn’t understand a damn thing, some for, others against. Looks like the article is relevant. In Khokhlostan, everyone ignored the same shoots of deil.ilism, but what happened.
    1. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 24 December 2015 12: 58 New
      -1
      Article - FAKE.
      But still yes - relevant
      because the article itself says in the Vitebsk region you need a second donbas
      the truth is not said when
      but I will tell you, after leaving Syriyanash
  • shurup
    shurup 23 December 2015 22: 26 New
    +2
    Поиски врагов среди соседей являются частью российского менталитета, но отсутствуют у белорусского. Найденного "врага" следует проучить, чтобы не помышлял. Советую автору успокоиться - Беларусь не собирается нападать на Россию и отбирать у неё полезные ископаемые. С другой стороны, белоруссы злопамятны и если на них напасть, то ответка, рано или поздно, но неизбежна. Пусть автор передаст это тем, кто заказал ему статью.
    P.S. К "врагам" в настоящее время относятся не шайки княжеских дружинников или тевтонских рыцарей, а респектабельные бизнесмены в хороших костюмах.
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  • pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 23 December 2015 22: 34 New
    -2
    Но ведь что интересно. В военном плане белоруссы может где-то на Россию и рассчитывают, но в последнее время активно развивают производство своего и достаточно серьезного вооружения, начиная от противотанковых комплесов (в том числе на гусеничном ходу) и передвижных зенитных систем ближнего радиуса действия (компания "Тетаидр") и заканчивая системой РЗСО "Полонез" и разработкой крылатой ракеты "Аист", впрочем про бесполотники тоже не забывают (как производство. так и подготовка операторов). Наверно целый ряд систем вооружения проще сделать свой, чем ждать милости от россиян.
    1. pilot bin-bom
      pilot bin-bom 23 December 2015 23: 47 New
      -3
      Hey minus one - disprove if not right. all of the above weapons systems in Belarus are!
      1. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 24 December 2015 07: 16 New
        +3
        I didn’t set a minus, I can say one thing. I am glad that such a small country, with a population smaller than Moscow, and can produce such a variety of weapons. Where did the money come from for research, testing, and production.
        The main thing is to do the components themselves, electronic stuffing, etc., etc. This is cool.
        The ears of your military-industrial complex from Russia are growing !!!
      2. combat66
        combat66 24 December 2015 11: 44 New
        +2
        There is! In prototypes. And the troops, this is not an exhibition of VDNH. fellow
  • Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 23 December 2015 22: 38 New
    +2
    That talked with Belarus on the VO, you can read. I repeat, these are his answers to my questions !!!

    Ajjh BY December 16, 2015 03:59
    Russia has only two friends; this is its army and navy.It's right. only two. but this is not your achievement; it is your shame. have such a culture! to have outstanding people who have changed the world! and not have friends around ... this must be able to. Bravo!
    You will not believe. but in Russia they do not consider the enemies of Europeans and Americansalas and ah. if Ukrainians are enemies, then what then are Germans / French, etc ...
    сейчас такой прикол появился - "как думаете? сколько потребуется кремлю что б 60% населения россии поверило что земля круглая и стоит на 3х черепашках?" доля правды в этом есть...
    By the way, I ask downtime to all Belarusians why you are against one state common with Russia, with one president, one territory. Ахахахаха!! это "союзное гос-во" (именно с маленькой буквы) было создано тнп с целью сесть на трон в московии. ни больше и ни меньше. На трон сесть не вышло. проект был закрыт. там происходят какие то телодвижения, но во многом дальше экранов ТВ они не идут. (кстати тоже весьма показательный факт - ЕС ровесник СНГ. где сейчас ЕС и где СНГ (союзное гос-во)? только чур экономические вопросы рассматривать а то сейчас закидают мигрантами...)
    Well and the main thing - and what for? we definitely don’t need it (alas, if we develop the topic, then I am stigmatized here for the third time). By the way, foreigners have visited both here and there, they say that we are different smile. similar only in appearance. In fairness, it should be noted that joining the EU head on for us will also be absurd.
    Ajjh BY December 16, 2015 04:16
    А что вы нам принесете? коррупцию? власть центра? т.е. кремля. ненависть ко всему что хоть как то идет в разрез с Вашими убеждениями? гордится какими то "эскандерами" когда холодильник пустой? или может законы которые пишутся в открытую под своих людей? где права человека значат... т..е. вообще ничего не значат??(зато в геев тыкнуть мордой это всегда пожалуйста)? где вместо того что б заниматься делом, управлять страной, создавать производства, и т.д. и т.п. проще продавать природные хозяйства, а потом когда цены на сырье (СЫРЬЕ!!) пойдут вниз - развязать пару войн и по всем тв показывать как плачет мать над могилой "героя"? Где виноваты все! штаты, евреи, опозиция, фазы луны, народ в конце концов, но только не власть? вот в эту страну нам влиться? а это еще далеко не полный список
    Spiritual bonds ...
    In Switzerland, one of the most respected and highly paid professions is a teacher! this shows concern for the whole population, for the future. Here's someone to take an example

    This is the point of view present in Belarus. And there are many such individuals, This is sad. In fairness, it must be said that in Russia there are many figures of this kind.
    But I was at a loss from this subject. I wanted to argue, but the time is gone
    The most interesting thing is that the person considers it true that we have empty refrigerators, about production and other nonsense, or he was not in Russia for a long time, or is he not Belarus at all?
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 23 December 2015 22: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Kostya Andreev
      But I was at a loss from this subject. I wanted to argue, but the time is gone

      And what is this Belarusian wrong about?
      1. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 24 December 2015 01: 13 New
        +2
        How is the dispute going to happen? Wangyu: I will answer you, and what is he right about? You tell me my mistakes, give an example, some kind of state, or several, and tell me this is how people live, then you complain about the lack of production, that the government does not think about the people, takes bribes, etc., etc. P . I will give you other examples, in the end we will end up with you an endless and pointless dispute.
        I will not engage in scholasticism. My position is this: a priori, I believe that there are no ideal countries on planet Earth. Everywhere everything is the same, only in different proportions, and with a different degree of stealth.
        And comrade Belarus should know what if you say. then try to give arguments that cannot be refuted. For example, you tell me a Russian. that my refrigerator is empty, I go and check. And so on and so forth.
        But this phrase: that we will join the EU headlong - it will also be absurd. I was killed, a person is sure that Belarus will decide to rush headlong into the EU or take a calm step.
    2. ruskih
      ruskih 23 December 2015 22: 59 New
      +3
      This is not a Belarusian.
  • tehnokrat
    tehnokrat 23 December 2015 22: 38 New
    -2
    Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
    Old Man with the people and this is important! It can be twisted as much as possible .. For that I respect him!
    И за что минуснули...? Я Лукашенко люблю критиковать, но по сути он "играет " на грани фола пытается страну удержать


    I fully support and plus! including for perseverance in the discussion!
    "Батька" вынужден балансировать между ЕС и Россией, такова геополитическая позиция.
    Мы же балансируем между ЕС и Китаем. "Балансировать" - не означает размахивать руками,
    едва не срываясь, это значит "держать равновесие"; вся политика во все времена на этом стоит.
    We absolutely needed independent (from both the EU and us) Ukraine, Belarus, and the Baltic states.
    This buffer is equally needed by us and the EU.
    Одна Беларусь и осталась, остальные части "буфера" целенаправленно разрушили те, кто нас с Европой
    I wanted to push my foreheads. So the independence of the Old Man from us is not terrible - only his dependence is terrible
    from those. But, thank God, he does not look like a manual one. We must cooperate with him honestly, and that’s enough.