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Where will White Russia swing?

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It is customary to think of Belarus as a calm, stable country. Is it possible that there will be a misfortune similar to the Ukrainian one? Does it have its own "zapadenschina"? Do not they treat the Russians like brothers? Unless behind the "Batka" is not worth welcoming, hardworking people, the closest to us?



Panorama of the evening Minsk

BELARUSIAN SCAR

Belarus is not so homogeneous in the national and religious sense. For nine and a half million inhabitants - almost one million Russians and three hundred thousand Poles. Eastern Belarusians are difficult to distinguish from the Russians, and Westerners to the Poles and Lithuanians. About one million Catholics, about four million Orthodox. In a word, the people are by no means monolithic, several subethnos adjoin it.

And there is a “zapadenschina” there in the pro-Polish, pro-Catholic Grodno region, as well as the adjacent areas of the neighboring regions. There is also a kind of Belarusian “Donbass” - Polotsk, Vitebsk, Mogilyov region.

The body of the country is cut by a deep scar. It has existed for a long time, although it is not striking. At any moment, it can expand, turn into a crack, or even into a precipice that can split into two seemingly prosperous Belarus.

For the time being, the edge lived in a delicate balance. The east of the country and the west had different cultural ideals, different codes of national identification. But by all indications, the balance has recently been broken. The pendulum went in the direction, in many respects not coinciding with the vector of movement of Russia, the Russian people, Orthodoxy.

IN THE EAST - "MOSCOW-TATARS"!


A significant part of the Belarusian intellectualism is infected with the ideas of "a more decisive separation from the Eastern barbarians," that is, from the Russians. From the pages of the media, from the radio, on the web, statements in the spirit flow: “We need to recall the European traditions of our country! We have always opposed the Moscow invaders!

We are the salt of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, the bridge between Europe and Asia! And Moscow is part of the Horde, the center of despotism, Asiatic! In the blood of Belarusians - liberty unfamiliar to the Russians! Enough for us to be outcasts in the world community, we must do historical the choice in favor of freedom and Europe ”...

You can even hear this in relation to Russia: "Her characters are not ours, her culture is not ours." The historical truth is as follows: World War 1812 and the First World War swept over the lands of Belarus, and its citizens participated in hostilities as part of the Russian Empire, and many natives of White Russia became famous as true brave men, skilled warriors. But now the descendants of St. George's gentlemen say: “These are not our wars! Russia has involved Belarusians in completely unnecessary hostilities! ” And even: "Your great-grandfathers fought on the wrong side ..."
The scar is getting deeper ...

“Do you want to set up a museum in Smorgon places generously drenched in blood when Russia and Germany fought here?” - they ask again from an enthusiast who is ready to invest in the project with his own money, time and knowledge. - Not relevant. This is not our war! ”

This has not always been the case. Under “early Lukashenko,” the Great Patriotic War was the alpha and omega of Belarusian history, about which he repeatedly spoke out publicly. At a certain distance from it, the beautiful features of the ancient Russian principalities were visible. Ancient cities, the center of the mighty reign of Polotsk, illuminated by the figure of the great holy scribe Kirill Turovsky, a whole scattering of highly developed ancient city centers, whose roots go back to the soil of Holy Russia, - this is what was clearly stated in the textbooks.

Now, in school and university textbooks, chapters devoted to the Grand Duchy of Lithuania are growing by leaps and bounds. The territory of the present Belarus was part of it from the XIV to the XVIII century. And the further, the more Belarusian historians say, what kind of grace it was!

It does not matter that religious tolerance in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania is a myth, no matter that the Orthodox, up to the high-born magnates, were impressed with political rights; no matter that the Polish gentry intervened in the management of the Russian lands; it does not matter that the southern borders of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania were poorly defended from Tatar raids. But - Europe! Euro ...

And there are signs that the state - not "kitchen" groups of opposition intellectuals, namely, government structures - is increasingly deviating from the previous course in the same direction.

It's not just textbooks that matter; the “Lukashenka’s” policy in culture and education provides real facts confirming this turn. For example, “war of monuments” - this is how the Belarusian journalists called this phenomenon. She certainly would not have happened without the participation of officials. After all, it is “people with portfolios” who decide who, where and when the monument is being erected.

WAR OF MONUMENTS

Not far from Minsk City Hall in ancient times was a monument to Emperor Alexander II. He, of course, did not survive the Soviet era. The question of his restoration was raised several times, but a refusal came "from above". But now there is a monument to Minsk Vojta (the head of the magistrate).
At the foot of Vojta is the plan of Minsk of the XVI century, the times of the city belonging to Lithuania. In two steps, a sculpture “Urban Scales” recently appeared, dedicated to an event of five centuries ago - the endowment of Minsk with Magdeburg law. Both the voite and the three characters of the “City Scales” are dressed in such a way that if they appeared in the center of Warsaw, no one would have caught in the shades of Belarusian antiquities.


Vitebsk is the capital of the Belarusian “Donbass”. Photo nach. 1980's

In the summer of 2014, the local authorities erected a monument to the Lithuanian prince Olgerd in Vitebsk. Nobody thought much about the fact that Olgerd executed Christians for faith in Vilna: the equestrian statue of a pagan obscurantist was placed directly in front of the Resurrection Church.

This should be understood as a warning? Moreover, its meaning is apparently twofold: not only the Russian Orthodox Church, but also the Russian government should feel the thrill of horror. Olgerd fought with the Moscow principality several times and even reached the walls of Moscow, where, however, he broke off his teeth ...

It seems that the spiritual inspirers of the action are ready to lead the Belarusians in the vanguard of the “crusade” on Moscow!

Residents of Vitebsk protested in the media, and wrote in the name of Alexander Lukashenko. Here is an excerpt from their letter published in 2013:
“Dear Alexander Grigorievich! We appeal to you as citizens of the Republic of Belarus, representatives of various public organizations. We are concerned about the plans to install a monument to the Lithuanian Prince Olgerd in the city of Vitebsk. Olgerd has no relation to the Belarusian people. He is the aggressor and apostate, as well as the invader, who constantly fought with all his neighbors, destroying cities and killing civilians. As a cruel villain of Russia, he is remembered in Russian history. The evil horror left Olgerd in the history of Christianity. The Orthodox Church honors the memory (April 27) of the Lithuanian holy martyrs, subjected to a painful death on his orders. In the light of these immutable facts, the question naturally arises: what motives are guided by the initiators of the installation of the monument, what goals are pursued? Has anyone thought that the installation of a monument to the villain of Russia and the torturer of Christians can be offensive to the citizens of the Republic of Belarus - not only Russians by nationality and not only Orthodox Christians? ”


The Western Dvina is the main waterway of White Russia

The result: the authorities ignored the indignation of citizens, the monument was erected. The author of the monument, Sergei Bondarenko, told reporters that he had some work in the image of the first Grand Duke of Lithuania, Mindovg, whose sculpture they plan to install in the Belarusian city of Novogrudok.
Whatever the monument, further along the path of "Litvinization" of Belarus ... Aside from our common history and the exploits of its heroes.

For example, the monument to Alexander Suvorov was rejected. Just like the monument to Saint Equal-to-the-Apostles Princess Olga, many years ago the locals appealed to the authorities to establish it in Vitebsk ...

It is easy to understand that Belarusians are trying to inculcate such a variant of cultural identification that will tear them away from Russia, the Russian world as a whole, and for the future - from Orthodoxy. But “Litvinsky” is welcome, i.e. feeling of kinship with the state, which was the "true Europe", even if it was deaf and remote.

RUSSIAN DREAM


And what about Russia? How does she react to the erosion of Russian culture from her nearest neighbor? What is the response to the creation of a multi-million Belarusian people of new cultural identification, in something obviously hostile? What actions does it take in order to defend in the minds of the Belarusians and Russians living there the spiritual springboard of our brotherhood, friendship, and our cultural and historical intimacy?

And Russia is napping! Occasionally he will send some respected musicians to Minsk with a concert program, take part in a book exhibition, and that’s all. Russian government structures do not seem to notice the colossal daily struggle going on the field of information confrontation in Lukashenka’s power, they don’t rush to support the friends of our country, they don’t repulse its ill-wishers. We haven’t even created up to this time any serious media center that constantly, day after day, hour after hour, would explain the policy of Russia to Belarusians, give comments on controversial issues, defend the closeness of our cultures, historical and spiritual proximity.


St. Sophia Cathedral in Polotsk

Now they talk a lot about the manifestations of "soft power". In other words, about winning the minds, acquiring positive public opinion, cultural expansion. That would be nice! But…

Our bear is mighty, but it hurts like to sleep in a den, sucking on its paw. And his dream can interrupt either spring, or hunters who have lined the den from all sides.

The current position of Russia regarding the processes taking place on the Belarusian land resembles the image of one of the characters in the Garage, a comedy by Eldar Ryazanov. While the members of the garage cooperative argued, quarreled, put up, defended their rights, he peacefully napped in the corner. In the end, it was he who got all the trouble.

We overslept Ukraine, including because of our former lethargy and passivity, blood is being shed there. And why? Yes, because the “partners”, who are actually opponents, managed to change the mentality of many people, especially young people, without life experience and proper knowledge.
It would not have slept and White Russia! We need new losses, a new enemy in the place where he did not exist and could not have been a quarter of a century ago? And then our bear will wake up, having heard the bark of another pack of evil dogs at the entrance to the den, will come out, roar, but only God knows if he will cope with the new scourge.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 23 December 2015 18: 57
    14
    What are the specific recipes to avoid the Ukrainian scenario?
    1. herruvim
      herruvim 23 December 2015 19: 02
      20
      Lukashenko is not the whole Belarusian people, let him release T-shirts with his image and then everyone will see his true rating
      1. MIKHALYCH1
        MIKHALYCH1 23 December 2015 19: 19
        18
        Remember the song ..? Belarus withstood and will survive with Russia of course! drinks Heroic people!
        1. _Vladislav_
          _Vladislav_ 23 December 2015 20: 13
          14
          Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
          Remember the song ..? Belarus withstood and will survive with Russia of course!

          It's great that you remembered about it)) Thing.
          I like this one drinks
          1. MIKHALYCH1
            MIKHALYCH1 23 December 2015 20: 23
            +8
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
            Remember the song ..? Belarus withstood and will survive with Russia of course!

            It's great that you remembered about it)) Thing.
            I like this one drinks

            The vast expanses of the USSR .... Go anywhere in the country (there were cheap transport tickets) and they will receive you! There was time ...
            1. _Vladislav_
              _Vladislav_ 23 December 2015 20: 51
              +6
              Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
              The vast expanses of the USSR .... Go anywhere in the country (there were cheap transport tickets) and they will receive you! There was time ...

              My father says the same thing, and my grandfather - so, yes. Alas, I didn’t find the time ...)

              hi
              1. hedgehog in the fog
                hedgehog in the fog 23 December 2015 21: 15
                62
                Do not believe those who say that Belarus is divided into Western and Eastern, it is divided into Minsk and the rest, and all the Svidomo trash is in Minsk, it is not in Grodno or in Brest, there are no people to suffer garbage, you need to feed families and pennies to loot. in Minsk, Natsik go to rallies and processions and wear European flags, and Western Belarus saw Europe in a coffin, because we often go there and see the lives of ordinary people with our own eyes, and not with pictures from the BBC or Euronews
                1. ruskih
                  ruskih 23 December 2015 21: 29
                  19
                  Well done, hedgehog. I fully confirm your words.
                2. Asadullah
                  Asadullah 23 December 2015 22: 25
                  12
                  it is divided into Minsk and Ostolny, and all the Svidomo trash sits in Minsk, it is neither in Grodno nor in Brest, there are no people to suffer garbage, it is necessary to feed families and pennies


                  Exactly so dear! the author collapsed as if from an oak, still dragged the "propolskaya" Grodno region. This is probably from outside the border? Already they hate Poles, it is so significant in Grodno. Affected by close communication. And the entire opposition of Belarus is the fosterlings of various organizations located in Vilnius, financed by various funds, from Soros to directly by the State Department. Even among these “appaziters”, firmness of views is directly proportional to the amount of paid pennies.
                  1. terum
                    terum 23 December 2015 23: 33
                    -6
                    But how will a "normal" opposition appear in Belarus? All dissent is stifled in the bud. And Lukashenka himself is to blame for this, for any criticism of the current government - you are automatically assigned to the 5th kolonna. Is this normal?
                    1. mad
                      mad 24 December 2015 00: 09
                      16
                      Fine. Look at the neighbors' "opposition" as it unfolded ... still jumping, on the bones of the country.
                    2. vanya
                      vanya 24 December 2015 01: 52
                      +8
                      in Belarus there is Lukashenko and a pro-Western opposition, there simply is no other; therefore, we have no choice who to vote for: either Westerners or Lukashenko; and it’s time for Russia to contribute to the organization about the Russian political organization.
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 24 December 2015 10: 41
                        +1
                        Quote: vanya
                        It’s time for Russia to contribute to the organization

                        For what? In the wrong hands is always thicker. Live calmly - live on.
                        Your Old Man for Belarus does more than all of our government in bulk for Russia.
                      2. kashtak
                        kashtak 24 December 2015 11: 15
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                        Quote: vanya
                        It’s time for Russia to contribute to the organization of the Russian political organization

                        maybe you are right. but then the question arises: how will Belarusians themselves react to this intervention in the political process? and Lukashenko? can it be more logical for the Belarusians themselves to take care of this issue? You can contribute, but to whom? say yourself that there is no such organization, or is there anyway? and would such direct support weaken them?
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                  2. stasimar
                    stasimar 24 December 2015 01: 08
                    +4
                    yeah. and Donbass called Vitebsk. Such comparisons would not occur to me in a nightmare. author provocateur, he has little blood !?
                    1. demos1111
                      demos1111 24 December 2015 07: 33
                      +1
                      No, here you are wrong, the author is not a provocateur. He simply warns the authorities and all the people who live on this land, go to Europe, we will not let go of the eastern lands. And this is "Donbass"
                      1. stasimar
                        stasimar 24 December 2015 08: 01
                        0
                        in which case there will be no organized struggle, like "for free Belarus!" ... but quietly peacefully according to the Crimean scenario, only without fanfare. ideologically, we have nothing to share with the Russians. resistance is possible in the event of an extreme degree of rudeness on the part of the occupying troops and their gluttonous oligarchs. they will call us "Northwest Territory" and we will become one big Rassirussiya. laughing
                      2. 1500014781401
                        1500014781401 24 December 2015 09: 40
                        -2
                        So it was planned last year in Vitebsk. The organization Our Home, the union of the mummers of Vitebsk Cossacks, was created by Russia (even our faithful ally), even the church was involved. One of the submitters of this petition referred to in the article was an elderly Vitebsk professor. A person has been observed by psychiatrists for many years; last year, we sent him to Russia to confirm the diagnosis, he grew up. Doctors have confirmed. Then why the nonsense of a mentally ill person for years dumped in Regnum, and now here, it’s a shame how. Let a person calmly age. And as for the Anschluss, after Krymnash it was planned for us as well. But, Lukashenko on time changed the power block and replayed everything, and we do not want to categorically. So there were streams of slops in the media-Bummer! We have been sanctioned for 15 years, and you, our allies, at that time let us through a meat grinder cutting off gas and oil, all conceivable trade wars are a disgrace! And now, when the roasted cock pecked, they remembered about us. We all survived. Survived. survived but did not forget. So we have all moral rights to pursue our own policy, aimed not at aggression, but at establishing peaceful and normal relations with everyone.
                      3. kashtak
                        kashtak 24 December 2015 11: 38
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                        Quote: 1500014781401
                        We all survived. Survived. survived but did not forget. So we have all moral rights to pursue our own policy, aimed not at aggression, but at establishing peaceful and normal relations with everyone.

                        good neighborly relations are what we all need, I am for. that's just good neighborliness you have some one-sided. like memory. all we need. and what about the flow in the media, in which media? specify, otherwise I, for example, make up an opinion about Belarus according to Lukashenka. grinder you say? trade wars? you yourself strictly observe the principle of "tobacco apart" so what are you dissatisfied with? what are you fighting for ...
                      4. prosto_rgb
                        prosto_rgb 24 December 2015 11: 41
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                        Quote: 1500014781401
                        And as for the Anschluss, after Krymnash it was planned for us as well. But, Lukashenko on time changed the power block and replayed everything, and we do not want to categorically.

                        He is now scheduled.
                        rather categorically required, at the end of Syriyanash
                        you’ll forever bomb. and a tv picture is needed.
                        Now the articles have quietly gone
                        Vitebsk is our Belarusian Donbass. Polotsk is an old Russian city in which the bloody ryzhy Rygorycha has already eaten all the Russian-speaking babies ...
                        For me personally, the news about Bulbo-Bandera will not be something surprising,
                        I have them back in 2015. expected to see, but, fortunately, apparently not fate.
            2. Lord of Wrath
              Lord of Wrath 24 December 2015 00: 27
              +1
              Quote: hedgehog in the fog
              , it is divided into Minsk and Ostolny, and all the Svidomo trash sitting in Minsk

              Or maybe she shares differently? On Lukashenka's supporters and normal people? And that people are so crammed with the tyranny of the local "prince", his endless taxes, extortions, that they are ready to surrender wherever you want, if only without him?
              Maybe let's remember the Belovezhskaya agreements? And who is against the unification of Russia and Belarus? Who puts forward obviously unrealizable demands, such as "equivalent emission of rubles in Minsk and Moscow"? And such examples are a wagon
              1. Theline
                Theline 24 December 2015 01: 53
                +2
                Or maybe she does not share at all? People are not land, they are two different things.
              2. Just BB
                Just BB 24 December 2015 04: 57
                +3
                Or maybe remember the Bialowieza agreements?

                What did Lukashenko sign them on?
              3. kashtak
                kashtak 24 December 2015 11: 49
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                Quote: Lord of Wrath
                Who puts forward obviously unrealizable demands, such as "equivalent emission of rubles in Minsk and Moscow"? And such examples are a wagon

                your suggestions? don’t get it wrong, but please clarify why the equivalent emission of rubles or altyns is bad? in any case, it’s a matter of negotiations, and what negotiations if you declare proposals as wagons unrealizable? suggest others that are feasible.
                1. Lord of Wrath
                  Lord of Wrath 25 December 2015 08: 20
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                  Quote: kashtak
                  why is the equivalent issue of rubles

                  Do you entrust Lukashenko in small Belarus to issue the same amount of rubles as in Moscow for the whole of Russia? do not make me laugh
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            3. Edvagan
              Edvagan 24 December 2015 09: 00
              +1
              I myself am a Russian Belarusian, I often go to my relatives in Belarus (Brest region). I have never noticed the division of Belarus into western and eastern, the attitude towards Russians has always been normal. True, not so long ago my children were born, I have not been to Belarus for 6 years. Maybe that has changed, although I'm not sure. Although on the Internet I noticed the activation of the Belarusian "litvin".
              1. prosto_rgb
                prosto_rgb 24 December 2015 13: 04
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                Quote: Edvagan
                I have not been to Belarus for 6 years. Maybe that has changed, although I'm not sure.

                Naturally, something has changed for 6, but not globally.
                Russians (Russians and representatives of other peoples of multinational Russia) are not considered enemies here.
    2. dauria
      dauria 23 December 2015 20: 23
      13
      Heroic people!


      Yes, and the people? Again we forget about the bourgeoisie. And they rule there, as in Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, and the Russian Federation. And they have their own, purely national-bourgeois interests (their own market). And power over this market. And they'll give him the figurines. To get their hands on someone else's market, they are always happy if they have enough strength. And their own, and even on which they fill in full - fuck us all over the face. Oh you, "Stalinists"
      If something depended on the peoples, the USSR would have been blinded anew long ago.
      (How does the national democracy understand social democracy? IV Stalin, 1904)
      1. Rarog
        Rarog 23 December 2015 23: 00
        0
        You're right. We are ruled by people glad only for their pockets.
        But Russia is napping!

        Russia is so slumbering that in the Russian Federation there are already no Russians left at the official level (they try not to notice, with more than 81% of Russian citizens being ethnic Russians) - the Russians are solid, and the author is worried about changing the identity of the citizens of Belarus. For us, the Russians from Russia, for a start, we must defend ourselves before our Russophobes from the powers that be, and then the Russians from Belaya and Little Russia should be reminded of who they are.
    3. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 24 December 2015 00: 18
      +6
      I communicate with Belarusians on the Internet, especially with the West, Kobrin, etc., I haven’t seen so many nasty things about Russia and Belarusians who do not support Lithuanian citizenship, and many people have Polish addresses on ip, they all think it’s normal, you can’t forget the Pole’s card, it’s no one canceled, about Ukraine they also talked about sanity, but in the end we have what we have.
  2. Tor5
    Tor5 23 December 2015 19: 19
    11
    Unfortunately, “daddy” has become so adept at playing both east and west that, I'm afraid, it's very difficult to beat him, alas.
    1. cniza
      cniza 23 December 2015 20: 15
      +8
      But it is not necessary to replay it, it is necessary to cooperate on mutually beneficial conditions, and our wise peoples will figure it out themselves.
      1. holding
        holding 23 December 2015 23: 08
        -2
        Dear, what "... and our wise peoples will figure it out by themselves."?
        How old are you that you write such nonsense ...
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    3. veksha50
      veksha50 23 December 2015 20: 21
      +4
      Quote: Tor5
      Unfortunately, "dad" is so became skilled in games with both east and westthat, I'm afraid, replaying it is very difficult, alas.


      If the feed wags, this does not mean that the torpedo will not get into it ...

      PS Just do not need to write about the wake jet ... The comparison was figurative ...
    4. 30BIS
      30BIS 23 December 2015 22: 23
      +1
      Old Man is not eternal. Will leave or will leave .. Prosal Ukraine. Now do not ask for the White Russia !! Crimea is ours .., and Ukraine is Pindo-sky! We need to work with the oligarchs of Belarus, tie them together, tie them tightly to Russia. A common cause, a common benefit brings together the best.
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  4. veksha50
    veksha50 23 December 2015 20: 18
    +7
    Quote: herruvim
    Lukashenko is not the whole Belarusian people, let him release T-shirts with his image and then everyone will see his true rating



    But a good, simple, cheap and more reliable method to find out the rating than any polls ...
    1. Asadullah
      Asadullah 23 December 2015 22: 29
      +4
      But a good, simple, cheap and more reliable method to find out the rating than any polls ...


      Depends on the application environment. The Belarusian may not buy a T-shirt, and nods his head at swearing at the authorities. But, in the elections, he will consciously vote for Lukashenko. Habitat, you know .....
  5. saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 24 December 2015 01: 40
    +2
    Quote: herruvim
    Lukashenko is not the whole Belarusian people, let him release T-shirts with his image and then everyone will see his true rating

    I think you are mistaken, the BRYU will make its contribution. If you do not know then with us all students are members of this club.
    1. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 24 December 2015 05: 47
      0
      Quote: saturn.mmm
      I think you are mistaken, the BRYU will make its contribution. If you do not know then with us all students are members of this club.

      will bring near-zero
      not everything, this is first
      speak as if you know that you don’t know what the Belarusian Republican Youth Union is, this is secondly
  6. ohtsistem
    ohtsistem 24 December 2015 16: 36
    0
    I am Russian, I have been living here since 86, I absolutely agree with the author of the article. I communicate with young people and the middle generation and old people. There is a huge chasm between old people (after 50) and young people, in political terms. Almost all young people are looking towards Lithuania and Poland. But the mentality is like "we will wait until we become EUROBELORUS". It is very similar to the mentality of liberal Russian politicians, and these are just young people. All this is sad. And the process of Europeanization was launched long ago. A whole generation of young people has grown up on this policy. The only reassuring thing is that there is not yet such radicalism as Svidomo. hi
    1. Lord of Wrath
      Lord of Wrath 25 December 2015 08: 17
      +1
      Quote: ohtsistem
      Between the old people (after 50-ty) and young people there is a huge gap, politically. Almost all young people are looking towards Lithuania and Poland.

      When was the last time you spoke with youth?
      Everything is exactly the opposite - a generation was born and grew up, which except Lukashenko saw nothing. Which easily enters the Belarusian Republican Youth Union (an analogue of the Komsomol) because it is easier at the institute, which grew up on political information at school and zombie programs. Watch the report from the rally of youth opposition on the fingers count.
      True, there is another side - Russia is no longer a fraternal people of youth. And again, this is the fault of the propaganda of the beloved president, who does not want to "unite".
  • Vikings
    Vikings 23 December 2015 19: 18
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    Quote: The same Lech
    What are the specific recipes to avoid the Ukrainian scenario?

    Our adequate policy, clearly defining priorities. + Consistency in the strict sense of our
    strategic interests. No wagging!
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 23 December 2015 19: 18
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    Belarusians live their own lives, especially do not go into politics, no one asks them whether they want to join Russia or not, everything is decided above, somehow by itself, and everyone is used to it. The population of the Vitebsk and Mogilev regions is not politicized at all, it is considered absolutely natural that we are one people. There is no talk about the West.
    Another thing is that this peaceful pro-Russian population is trying to stir up various youth "cultural" organizations, funded and protected by someone unknown. What happens to the installation of historical monuments to "heroes" - Russophobes - is decided at the top, in the executive committees, no referendums, the opinion of residents is not asked - this is someone's dirty Russophobic policy.
    If the rulers of the Republic of Belarus are eager to go to Europe, they should know that, for example, in Switzerland, in order to set up a newsstand in a certain area, the population of this area is first questioned, booklets with a plan, design and location are sent out, in which everyone can put " for or against, and send in the same envelope.
    1. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 23 December 2015 19: 23
      10
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      trying to stir up various youth "cultural" organizations, funded and protected by someone unknown


      So it’s not known. All such organizations have one ears.
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 23 December 2015 20: 24
      +6
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      this peaceful pro-Russian population is trying to stir up various youth "cultural" organizations, funded and protected by someone unknown



      Um ... But father did not make statements that they were not the 37th year ... And the KGB did not rename, and did not remove functions from him ...

      When EMU is needed - everyone gets nuts ... So the question arises - why do those organizations shaking the foundations of the state quietly exist ???

      Is he a dictator ??? So I say - a strange dictator ...
    3. Arkon
      Arkon 23 December 2015 20: 40
      +8
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      The population of the Vitebsk and Mogilev regions is not politicized at all

      I don’t know, I don’t know ... A lady from Polotsk in the "Mordokbook" sent me all the links allegedly from "Ekaterina's decrees", where she directly repeats "Dulles's words", if you remember, well, there: we will work with Russian youth, we will corrupt and etc. - that's about the same put into the mouth of Catherine in relation to Belarus after the division of the Commonwealth. There is only one fake hand - it is clearly visible.
      I had to send her link to the complete collection of decrees of the Emperors of Russia Speransky - Catherine did not issue such a decree.

      And this, I draw your attention!, In Polotsk - Vitebsk region.
      1. combat66
        combat66 24 December 2015 08: 24
        0
        Absolutely right! Rubbish was registered everywhere, it doesn’t matter Minsk, or Polotsk.
        And to be honest, the amount of rubbish is growing, there is a separation of west and east. I agree with the author, Russia is sleeping and how her dream will end can be imagined with very serious concerns.
  • Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 23 December 2015 19: 21
    0
    Do not invent nonsense or write similar articles. That's the whole recipe.
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 23 December 2015 20: 14
      12
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      ... That's the whole recipe.

      This recipe worked on the outskirts for all 200% .... My hut from the edge? Oh well...
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 24 December 2015 01: 54
        +1
        Quote: Semyon Semyonich
        This recipe worked on the outskirts for all 200% .... My hut from the edge? Oh well..

        And what do you suggest? Will the troops introduce us to impose your proper order? We are your allies and not a colony.
        1. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 24 December 2015 04: 27
          +6
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          And what do you suggest? Will the troops introduce us to impose your proper order? We are your allies and not a colony

          My advice to Lukashenko, and to all those in power in Belarus, is not to play with fire. It is time to understand that the West aims to split the Slavic world into quasi-states, and first of all Russia, to tear Ukraine and Belarus away from it, reformatting the brains of young people who are sleeping and seeing themselves as uCeEurope. Flirtations with Natsik did not bring anyone to good. hi
        2. prosto_rgb
          prosto_rgb 24 December 2015 05: 50
          -7
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          And what do you suggest? Will the troops introduce us to impose your proper order?

          YES
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          We are your allies

          Russia does not have only Armmya and Fleet allies,
          RB is neither one nor the other
          respectively
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          the colony.
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  • vovanpain
    vovanpain 23 December 2015 19: 21
    34
    Oh, and all this is not unambiguous, the Belarusian people, who suffered the most terrible losses in wars, are split. I remember watching the film "Come and See" in Soviet times, the whole hall sobbed, remember Khatyn and more than 1000 villages killed along with women, children, old and young, really Belarusians do not have a genetic memory, really they are not taught anything by the example of Ukraine, Georgia, the Baldons of the same, because the horses and the Westerners cannot understand that the West, using them, will throw them into a bloody pit like the same Ukraine. Think Syabry brothers, think hard.
    1. NIKNN
      NIKNN 23 December 2015 20: 05
      14
      In all "Maidans" the majority are bought extras, and not ordinary normal people, so little depends on the bulk of the population (like Vysotsky "there are few real violent, so there are no leaders"), specially trained puppeteers run the show.
      do the examples of Ukraine, Georgia, the same bastards not teach them anything, because it’s impossible for horses and zapadents to understand that the West, using them, will throw them into the bloody hole like the same Ukraine. Think sabry brothers, think hard.

      We still invest in MMM ... request
    2. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 23 December 2015 20: 50
      +7
      Quote: vovanpain
      . Think sabra brothers, think hard.

      Unfortunately, it is not the inert majority that decides, but a handful of creatively formatted yearlings supported by the West and corrupt politicians. So strangle the hydra while it is small ... Then it will be too late.
    3. voronbel53
      voronbel53 23 December 2015 21: 35
      +2
      Quote: vovanpain
      do Belarusians really have no genetic memory, do they really learn nothing from the example of Ukraine, Georgia, the same baldonov

      Everyone should probably feel in their own skin all these charms of attraction to the West and the rejection of historical memory in relation to their closest friend and neighbor ... It would be a pity if Belarus follows the same scenario and you can’t look at it indifferently ...
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 24 December 2015 02: 00
        +5
        Quote: voronbel53
        Everyone should probably feel in their own skin all these charms of attraction to the West and the rejection of historical memory in relation to their closest friend and neighbor ..

        I’m for an alliance with Russia, but for reference I must say that in the historical memory the Belarusians lived for 650 years in the Commonwealth and 122 years in the Russian Empire.
        1. Just BB
          Just BB 24 December 2015 05: 44
          +2
          I will not stir up this far: my grandmother was born in the Russian Empire in 1914 in the territory of the current Brest region. It is clear that until 1920 it was a passage yard, but from 1920 to 1939 (25 years old a person) - Poland. The Polish language was only poorly spoken - there was no need for it, she wrote Russian words in Latin - the state doesn’t do anything else in school taught.
          Had to catch up in the parish.
          So Dear! "In historical memory" - I began to speak Russian, and Belarusian to learn at school in the 3rd grade with dictionary. There was no need for it - the local language somehow does not look like Belarusian. But in Russian it was.
          But the current caution in relation to Russia is the consequences of the 90s: if Lukashenka leaves, the "Chubais hawks" will come and ... "at first we had nothing, but now we have been robbed ..."

          Yes, and another example: look at how much a phone call from Russia to Belarus costs and compare with the same Georgia, the Baltic states - but the Union State.
          Well, the people in Belarus are not "horse breed", but ... if you wish - remember about "... grunts"
        2. alexej123
          alexej123 24 December 2015 09: 13
          0
          This is where it all starts. I remember during the restructuring of Posner's talk show in my opinion for racism. In the hall, a woman is asked - How will you react if your daughter marries a negro. She replied that she would accept her daughter's choice and accept the negro. She was told that this is "everyday racism". So it is with you "I am for an alliance with Russia, but lived in the Commonwealth for 650 years." I have nothing against it. You were rightly told - brothers think, think hard. And first of all, decide for yourself who you are for us - brothers or neighbors.
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        4. Appius
          Appius 24 December 2015 09: 38
          +2
          Who are Belarusians historically? Who called Belarus Belarus - not Catherine II? What peoples lived in the territory of modern Belarus? The Russians - yes, the Poles - yes, the Lithuanians - yes, the Zemait - and others, but not Belarusians. But when a territory called Belarus appeared, then they decided to come up with these peoples a language - Belarusian at the end of the 19th century. Modern Belarus owes much to its present existence - the USSR, and at the present stage, the huge support of Russia.
          1. Just BB
            Just BB 24 December 2015 17: 01
            0
            Well, Russians are also a collective name, like many other official names of peoples. "Wise national policy of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b)"
            And historically peoples lived: Yatvingians (only for some reason they are considered "Balts"), Drevlyans, Dregovichi, Krivichi, partly Volynians. There were no Russians at that time, as well as Poles (the closest in this place "Vislyans", "Mazovians"). The Samogites lived closer to the Baltic Sea.
            At the expense of language - I agree Francis Skorina wrote it - taking as a basis the local dialect - not the most common
    4. stasimar
      stasimar 24 December 2015 01: 17
      +3
      you think it! you have 50 percent of the cabinet "not ours" + Gref, Golikova and other Chubais.)
  • dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 23 December 2015 21: 18
    +1
    Nothing good can be expected with our leadership (too kind-hearted, even when they wipe their feet on Russia .. They will give a loan, then the scammers and political twists and turns. Moreover, Lukashenko is trying to please both yours and ours (by the way, quite successfully). it is possible only under definitely harsh conditions (although Putin has no effective levers left) .. There remains only a chatter on TV.
    Quote: The same Lech
    What are the specific recipes to avoid the Ukrainian scenario?
  • cap
    cap 23 December 2015 23: 34
    0
    Quote: The same Lech
    What are the specific recipes to avoid the Ukrainian scenario?
    I will answer the question with the simple fact of 40 years of aging. The case was in the winter of 1975.
    Participants of the All-Union Komsomol rally in Brest, delegates of ALL republics (4-5 people each) dedicated to the formation of the USSR (the USSR Education Agreement was signed on December 29, 1922, and already on December 30, 1922 the First All-Union Congress of Soviets approved it. RSFSR, Ukrainian SSR (USSR), Belorussian SSR (BSSR) and the Transcaucasian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic (ZSFSR) formed the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR). Each of the republics was formally considered independent), did not live in a hotel but in the families of Belarusians.
    All delegates were taken to their homes for three days. For all delegates, accompanying persons, 2 more people per republic, an excursion was organized to the Brest Fortress, Belovezhskaya Pushcha (bison nursery), a gala concert was held. Everything was organized with transportation by buses, meals (lunch) at restaurant. Without drunkenness, fights and other "delights" of massive international events (which do not exist), as it happens now (in stadiums).
    And now attention: Do you remember anything like that? Can you imagine how expensive this is? How can this be called now, and most importantly, who will do this?
    But this is the only way exchange and mutual understanding between cultures of different peoples and countries is possible. RUDN was also created not yesterday, but the same record.
    And the third question (rhetorical) who needs it?
    The man asked, I answered. And he went on. hi
  • 30BIS
    30BIS 23 December 2015 23: 50
    0
    Link Belarusian oligarchs together with profitable projects, fully tie their elite to our interests, make them common. The common cause and interests are the best binding. And the fraternal peoples. People should not be offended or spread rot. Ukraine blinked ... Take care of Belarus!
    1. Just BB
      Just BB 24 December 2015 05: 48
      +2
      Are you overheated - the Russian has only one project - "Pipe"
  • 1500014781401
    1500014781401 24 December 2015 00: 59
    0
    What kind of Russian culture is the author talking about? About Anfisa Chekhova, Volochkova, Sobchak, Lazarev? Is it also necessary to have this with us? How many films were shot in Russia that can be watched with children? and after that still give advice to others how to live ...
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 24 December 2015 03: 12
      +4
      Quote: 1500014781401
      What kind of Russian culture is the author talking about

      About this..



      What you called is not culture .. subculture .. no more ..
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 24 December 2015 11: 00
        0
        Quote: dvina71
        What you called is not culture .. subculture .. no more ..

        But TV is mostly "subculture".
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 24 December 2015 11: 55
          0
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          But TV is mostly "subculture".

          Channel "Culture" to help you.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 24 December 2015 13: 23
            0
            Quote: dvina71
            Channel "Culture" to help you.

            Do your kids watch Kultura, just honestly?
            1. dvina71
              dvina71 24 December 2015 17: 59
              0
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Do your kids watch Kultura, just honestly?


              To be honest .. my daughter is educated as a culturologist .. do you think that she looks and reads?
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 24 December 2015 18: 40
                0
                Quote: dvina71
                what do you think she looks and reads?

                Probably reading. But the majority still watch, and not Culture. And they only read SMS. And you know that. Such as your daughter in society is an exception, not a pattern. hi
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    3. alexej123
      alexej123 24 December 2015 09: 17
      +1
      Well, everything is clear with you. Then why waste your time on the "PROROSSIYSKY" site? Boring? Do you sometimes want to chat with people?
  • saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 24 December 2015 01: 37
    +4
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    What are the specific recipes to avoid the Ukrainian scenario?

    The author does not understand what he is writing at all, for a resident of Belarus there is complete nonsense, that recently the stuffing on the VO has begun to appear provocative, as if tomorrow no one has declared that Russian-speaking citizens are oppressed here, it has become strain like that.
    Belarusians do not conflict with each other, Belarusians do not conflict with Poles, Lithuanians, Ukrainians and Russians are in a union state.
    Brothers Russians, you have a vast territory with a lot of problems: roads, underpopulation of the Far East, ethnic differences, industry, bureaucrats in power, defense industry, etc., deal with them, I sincerely wish you good luck in solving these problems.
    1. Just BB
      Just BB 24 December 2015 05: 51
      +1
      100500 good
      but the Poles remind about 1,5 million Belarusians in Poland
    2. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 24 December 2015 06: 05
      +1
      Quote: saturn.mmm
      The author does not understand what he is writing about,

      The author of the article understands everything, but the article is fake.
      You have already been indicated in the article (not explicitly, but) Rygorych does not want to join the Russian Federation and go to grow watermelons in the cottage of Yanukovych, so in Vitebsk region you will be like on the Donbass.
      The purpose of this article:
      1 To cause ethnic hatred at the household level between Belarusians and Russians (Russians and other peoples of multinational Russia.)
      2 to convince the Russians that in the Republic of Belarus wound up Bulba-Bandera who eat Russian-speaking babies.
      3 justify and begin to defend the Russians on the model of the DPR-LPR

      And so it’s complete profonation ideological diversion.
      And not the first on this site:
      http://topwar.ru/86875-u-belorussii-budut-rakety-s-rossiey-ili-bez-nee.html
      http://topwar.ru/86875-u-belorussii-budut-rakety-s-rossiey-ili-bez-nee.html
      The message is characteristic.
      In short.
      catch:
      The article lacks one photo for the full color:
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      2. alexej123
        alexej123 24 December 2015 09: 19
        0
        Do you even understand what you wrote? Yes, you my friend Provocateur is.
        1. prosto_rgb
          prosto_rgb 24 December 2015 11: 26
          0
          I perfectly understand what I am writing, otherwise I am silent and do not comment.
          Quote: alexej123
          Yes, you my friend Provocateur is.

          The provocateur is the author of the article.
          And judging by the comments to him, this provocation succeeded, at least% by 50.
      3. alexej123
        alexej123 24 December 2015 09: 23
        0
        And yet, the inhabitants of Russia and the journalists themselves saw through this "story". By the way, the journalists did not invent anything, they just interviewed the woman who knew what was wrong with her psyche. Now give examples of fake journalists from Ukrogabon, right, for contrast? Moreover, fakes are man-made and intentional. You can't see the log in your own eye.
        1. prosto_rgb
          prosto_rgb 24 December 2015 11: 30
          0
          Quote: alexej123
          examples of fake journalists from Ukrogabon,

          they were brought here enough without me.
          that was not the point, and you clearly understood that.
          Well, when the journalists from Ukrogabon will start calling Vitebsk a Donbas in which it is necessary to save Ukrainian-speaking babies, then I’ll deal with their fakes.
  • bordos
    bordos 24 December 2015 11: 11
    +2
    stop driving wedges between Belarusians and Russians with similar pseudo-historical articles
    not draw an analogy between the proximity of cultures and the imposition of values
    respects the nation’s right to self-determination with deep respect

    PS "Western Dvina - the main waterway of White Russia" by what criterion? the longest and deepest - the Dnieper
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  • Misha Honest
    Misha Honest 23 December 2015 18: 58
    +7
    While Old Man is alive - everything will be stable more or less. I’m even afraid to imagine what could happen without him ... We should be prepared for this, just for any fireman.
    1. herruvim
      herruvim 23 December 2015 19: 06
      12
      Quote: Misha Honest
      While Old Man is alive - everything will be stable more or less. I’m even afraid to imagine what could happen without him ... We should be prepared for this, just for any fireman.


      Without it, life will go on, but it’s really worth the thought of Russian politicians where it will lead.
      1. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 23 December 2015 19: 23
        +6
        Quote: herruvim
        Without it, life will go on, but it’s really worth the thought of Russian politicians where it will lead.

        Yeah ... The example of Venezuela without Chavez is not inspiring ... I'm afraid the same will be in Belarus recourse
        1. Lord of Wrath
          Lord of Wrath 24 December 2015 00: 39
          +6
          Article bold -
          Bullshit.
          There is only one opponent of unification with Russia - "the beloved, the only, popularly elected, sun-like" President Lukashenko.
          I recently read how Lithuania evaluates its policy:
          Lithuanian Foreign Minister Linas Linkevicius: “It is very important for me that Belarus does not recognize the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, it is very important for me that it is not like-minded Russia against the Crimea. Or economic sanctions against us. Even, I would say, on the issue of opening a military air base. Belarus had a public official position that it did not want this base. In addition, the visit of the President of Belarus to Russia did not take place because of this
          Forward Alexander Rygorovich) licks are even more penetrating, you look and the states will give a positive assessment
      2. corn
        corn 23 December 2015 20: 08
        +9
        Quote: herruvim
        Without it, life will go on.

        I was surprised by two things:
        1. Belarus did not express his attitude to the article.
        2. There are six regions in Belarus (I know that there were twelve before), the author mixes the official (administrative) division with the unofficial one.
        I served for several years in Belarus, and grew up in Ukraine, I can compare. The attitude of Belarusians to Russians was strikingly different from the attitude of Ukrainians to Russians, even during the Union. Has everything changed significantly for the worse?
        1. By001261
          By001261 23 December 2015 20: 42
          +9
          Not changed and will not change
        2. ruskih
          ruskih 23 December 2015 20: 46
          10
          Nothing changed. And there are enough fools everywhere.
          1. voronbel53
            voronbel53 23 December 2015 21: 51
            +2
            Quote: ruskih
            there are enough fools everywhere.

            The only bad thing is that even though there are few of them, they are very well placed that they are found at every turn .., and if they are still very active, both in Hohland and, in general, gloom, the rest may not lead to a bright future at all. After them, slurping, not overwhelming for years and decades ...
      3. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 23 December 2015 20: 19
        +8
        Quote: herruvim
        Without it, life will go on, but it’s really worth the thought of Russian politicians where it will lead.

        Yes, tired already ... Nazarbayev will "leave" ... Lukashenka will "leave" ... We need to work with comrades, to prepare successors, so to speak. Chairs in the morning, money in the evening. Opportunities are above the roof, desire is not enough ...
        1. pg4
          pg4 23 December 2015 21: 47
          +1
          Will leave ??? Do you really think that he alone confronts the West all these years? laughing or someone helps him a lot, and if it helps, it’s profitable.
          1. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 24 December 2015 04: 28
            +1
            "Will go away" in quotes ...
    2. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 23 December 2015 19: 30
      12
      Quote: Misha Honest
      While Old Man is alive - everything will be stable more or less. I’m even afraid to imagine what could happen without him ...

      All "stability" of Belarus rests on exports to the Russian market and foreign borrowings. From 2009 to 2014, the volume of gross external debt increased 2,5 times, of which the debt directly to the state grew 3,5 times. Now the state tax is 10 billion dollars. Quite a lot for a country with a population of ten million. For a moment, the state debt of Ukraine is 46,5 billion dollars. That is, the average Belarusian owes external creditors as much as the average Ukrainian. At the same time, we affirm that there is a crisis situation in Ukraine, and stability in Belarus. By the way, I would like to note that the volume of Ukraine's external public debt has only doubled over the same five years.
      So, the situation is quite serious. And her culprit, guess who? wink That is why Lukashenka is now rushing between Russia and Europe in search of money and new sales markets. And such political curtsies towards the "zmagars" and the European choice are evidence of this.
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 23 December 2015 20: 32
        +3
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        That is why Lukashenko is rushing between Russia and Europe now in search of money and new markets.



        Hmm ... right up to the export of Belarusian crabs, salmon fish and bananas to the Russian markets ...

        PS Well, that was partly my sarcasm ...
        But all of our PGRK Strategic Rocket Forces on their carrier vehicles, and Vityaz, which was discussed today - too ...
        Belarusians have what to produce and what to trade ... But it is necessary to further develop, and mainly with the help of Russia, however, the ambitions are that father, ours are first Yeltsin, then Putin in matters of creating a union state were slowed down ... Yeltsin- I dragged Putin in such a way, for justice and objectivity ... But mainly because of the ambitions of the father, who sleeps and sees himself as the White Tsar from Brest to Vladivostok ...

        It is these ambitions plus cunning that are the problem in our relations ...
        In relations not between nations, but between authorities ...
    3. slaw14
      slaw14 23 December 2015 19: 58
      14 th
      Do you even know the Old Man and his legislation? I advise you to live, get acquainted, and then write comments.
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 23 December 2015 20: 06
        +6
        No, dear, I personally do not know Mr. Lukashenko. But familiar with some citizens of Belarus. With ordinary citizens, I note, they are absolutely not politicized. Here they are just telling something, including what is written in the article.
        PS However, the fact that I am not a personal acquaintance of the President of Belarus does not yet You the basis for me to "poke". I am with You geese did not pass.
        1. slaw14
          slaw14 23 December 2015 20: 45
          -1
          I am not familiar with "some". I lived there. And I do not advise you who live at the expense of your dad and mom.
          1. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 23 December 2015 21: 10
            +6
            Quote: slaw14
            I lived there. And I don’t advise you to live here at the expense of mom-dad.

            I am very glad for you that you lived in such a beautiful country as Belarus. It is a pity that this prevented you from mastering the Russian language sufficiently. The verb "suvatsya" does not exist in it. I'll just keep silent about punctuation.
            In general, you have an original manner of communicating with strangers. How do you know at whose expense I live? And your advice is not interesting to me, to put it mildly. hi
            1. pg4
              pg4 23 December 2015 21: 56
              +3
              If you are so interested in the opinion of the Belarusian people, then climb on the forums
              tut.by
              onliner.by
              1. m262
                m262 23 December 2015 23: 00
                +4
                HERE. Buy a terrible liberal trash, I do not recommend it, it will somehow be cleaner on the liner.
                1. Svetoch
                  Svetoch 24 December 2015 06: 56
                  0
                  It depends on what you mean. If VO comments are read almost more interesting than the articles themselves, then comments on an onlineer are akin to a "censor" with a strong school smell. So I would not recommend reading the oliner either.
                  1. pg4
                    pg4 24 December 2015 07: 15
                    +1
                    It's not about the views, but about the number of people expressing their opinions on these sites.
              2. bordos
                bordos 24 December 2015 11: 25
                0
                advise a foreigner to make an impression of Russia on the "echo of Moscow" and "rain" forums)))))
                1. prosto_rgb
                  prosto_rgb 24 December 2015 12: 00
                  +1
                  Quote: bordos
                  advise a foreigner to make an impression of Russia on the "echo of Moscow" and "rain" forums)))))

                  Lepsh on the forums censor.ua laughing
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 24 December 2015 11: 18
          0
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          But familiar with some citizens of Belarus. With ordinary citizens, I note, absolutely non-politicized

          I am also familiar, people have different opinions, there is such a thing. But the majority is still for the Old Man.
          As for the Belarusian laws, they are executed better and more honestly. Education is better, medicine too. Then someone complained about taxes and requisitions
          Quote: Lord of Wrath
          his endless levies
          - why is "Plato" Rothenberg better?
          VAT, excise taxes and other overlapping taxes?
          Here, many are nostalgic for the USSR, but with the union they really lived poorer (financially). But freer, more fun and more honest (people’s mindset). Here are the real causes of nostalgia. And in Belarus this is now better than in Russia. hi
    4. Lord of Wrath
      Lord of Wrath 24 December 2015 00: 51
      -2
      Quote: Misha Honest
      While Old Man is alive - everything will be stable more or less. I'm afraid to even imagine what could happen without him ..

      CLASS !! Here is this position))) Like 40 + summer exalted brainless aunts
      1. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 24 December 2015 01: 07
        +3
        Quote: Lord of Wrath
        CLASS !! Here is this position))) Like 40 + summer exalted brainless aunts

        Before criticizing others, first state in which position and you yourself are facing. lol But they came, they didn’t say anything good, they didn’t offer, and they insulted how much in vain. Or are you a hot fan of Aleksievich? Your style is very similar. yes
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  • Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 23 December 2015 19: 02
    +2
    The author, in my opinion, you are clearly exaggerating. I’m just sure that Belarusians are people with their heads on their shoulders, and they won’t let them behave stupidly for the sake of someone’s personal ambitions.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 23 December 2015 20: 35
      +8
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      I'm just sure that Belarusians are people with their heads on their shoulders,



      This is not about the whole Belarusian people ...

      However, in Kuevskaya province, a handful of zapadentsev was able to distort the brains of a huge mass of people, who also had a head on their shoulders ...

      That's what it is about ...
      1. Lex.
        Lex. 23 December 2015 21: 36
        +2
        I'm just sure that Belarusians are people with their heads on their shoulders,



        This is not about the whole Belarusian people ...

        However, in Kuevskaya province, a handful of zapadentsev was able to distort the brains of a huge mass of people, who also had a head on their shoulders ...

        That's what it is about
        You think about Russia in power oligarchs are billionaires, the Russian ruble lives on the price of oil. And at the expense of zapadentsev so they are in power since 91 Kravchuk, Yushchenko’s parliament
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 24 December 2015 11: 21
          0
          Quote: Lex.
          However, in Kuevskaya province a bunch of zapadentsev

          The nationality of the "handful of Westerners" is by no means Ukrainian. wink
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      3. Just BB
        Just BB 24 December 2015 06: 07
        0
        In Belarus, all the "dregs" are from the Poles (who is an accomplice of the "white men"), and these brothers are not very respected by the local population, but the guys are stubborn.
        In Kiev, the situation is as follows - "Bandera's people are still their own, even though they are St. .."
    2. Basarev
      Basarev 23 December 2015 20: 44
      0
      In the same way they spoke about Ukrainians. Current ... Only Crimeans did not give
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      stupidly behave to slaughter for the sake of someone's personal ambitions.
  • Lex.
    Lex. 23 December 2015 19: 03
    +1
    Demagogues only this can write Dmitry VOLODIKHIN, do you even have a concept that in Belarus and if in Russia it will be the other way around in 1991, or when the White House was taken
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 23 December 2015 19: 23
      +7
      "Take the trouble to express yourself more clearly" (C)
      As I would like to understand your main idea, however, it does not work out because of your contempt for punctuation marks.
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 23 December 2015 20: 21
        +2
        “And today, tomorrow, not everyone can watch. Rather, not only everyone can watch, few can do it ” what
        1. voronbel53
          voronbel53 23 December 2015 22: 22
          +1
          This is not anyone, but the great thinker Klitschko speaks the truth, here it is necessary to understand and everything will be clear, like two, two, no more ... fool laughing
      2. Lex.
        Lex. 23 December 2015 21: 22
        +1
        Article fake now understood?
    2. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 24 December 2015 02: 09
      +3
      Quote: Lex.
      Demagogues only this can write Dmitry VOLODIKHIN, do you even have a concept that in Belarus and if in Russia it will be the other way around in 1991, or when the White House was taken

      They wrote everything correctly.
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  • Pushkar
    Pushkar 23 December 2015 19: 08
    18
    The author does not write directly, but the main role in moving away from Russia is Lukashenko. He, he declared himself Litvin, did not recognize Abkhazia and Ossetia, kissed Poroshenko and did not condemn Turkey, but condemned our actions in Syria.
    1. 1500014781401
      1500014781401 23 December 2015 23: 44
      -9
      why do we need to recognize the chopping off of foreign territories by Russia?
      1. alexej123
        alexej123 24 December 2015 09: 30
        0
        "No question". So give Brest and Grodno to Poland.
  • Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 23 December 2015 19: 09
    +3
    Some nonsense ... minus. I can’t say anything about the dad, because I don’t understand anything in his subtle politics, and we can’t have any problems with Belarusians a priori, and there’s nothing to say on this topic.
    PS - such articles are annoying: let's think about the problems of disconnecting Siberia and Tatarstan, the Far East has already been sold to China, and Kaliningrad held a referendum and returned to Germany ..ffff!
    1. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 23 December 2015 19: 37
      12
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      the Far East has already been sold to China,


      Ivan, you, so do not scare, please. But in general, it takes anger when you start recalling the 90s. On March 17, 1991, at an all-union referendum, the people spoke out for the Union, and where are the results of that vote now ?! Why did not the UN, or all sorts of OSCE and ECHR protect then the rights of millions of people who were trampled upon by a handful of villains ?! Everyone watched with a vile smile and rubbed their hands in anticipation when they could start tearing to pieces. And now they are trying to crank the same.
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 23 December 2015 20: 16
        +2
        I don’t scare, I just talked with Belarusians. The problems described in the article on the agenda were not even in thoughts. My opinion - this article is an unnecessary escalation of tension, in connection with an incomprehensible dad policy
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 23 December 2015 20: 47
          +1
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          I don’t scare, I just talked with Belarusians. The problems described in the article on the agenda were not even in thoughts.



          So the fact of the matter is that we mainly communicate with normal (in our concept) Belarusians ... They speak good Russian, and our thinking and assessments of many life realities are consonant ...
          You were just lucky that you didn’t have to communicate with a pronounced zapadentz - no difference, even Ukrainian, even Belarusian ... I think your mood after talking with them would have deteriorated somewhat ... Especially if you could even understand what they will taldychit ...

          I myself have had and have been Belarusians - friends and comrades, and all are worthy guys guys ... BUT - there were not and not a single zapadents among them ...
          1. Just BB
            Just BB 24 December 2015 06: 14
            +1
            BUT - among them there was not and not a single zapadents.


            I also remember - my grandmother told how she "plowed" the Polish master for land... And there are still a lot of such grandchildren in Belarus - and you want them to be "Westerners".
            PS - but the current Russian example of the life of ordinary people is scary
      2. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 23 December 2015 20: 16
        +3
        I don’t scare, I just talked with Belarusians. The problems described in the article on the agenda were not even in thoughts. My opinion - this article is an unnecessary escalation of tension, in connection with an incomprehensible dad policy
      3. veksha50
        veksha50 23 December 2015 20: 43
        +2
        Quote: B.T.W.
        Why did not the UN, or all sorts of OSCE and ECHR protect then the rights of millions of people who were trampled upon by a handful of villains ?!



        Tatyan ... Yes, because it was beneficial to them ...

        It was then necessary to add the fact that those organizations mentioned by you react to the events in the Donbas and Syria with great distress ... Remember Yugoslavia ...

        What are we talking about ??? Even now, presiding over the Security Council, Russia plainly cannot reach UN members on many issues ...
      4. cap
        cap 24 December 2015 01: 32
        +2
        The task of the states and others like that, to each village "democracy", "president" with an independent crane on the pipe (road, highway, tower) is easier to negotiate. Or maybe change.
        Remember the parable about the broom. It’s easier to break the stalk.
        And if the "president" paints his lips with lipstick, or just a child of parent # 1 and # 2, of undetermined gender, he will refuse parent # 1 and # 2 for a cookie.
        And there is nothing to say about "partners". What's the difference in front of whom to bend. The face is still not visible, even if it turns red.
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 23 December 2015 19: 51
      21
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      and with Belarusians we can have no problems a priori, and there’s nothing to say on this topic.

      Ivan, we at one time and about Ukraine could not think that there would be a Nazi state that hated Russia and in a nightmare, but now you see what’s happening there perfectly.
      1. brisk
        brisk 23 December 2015 21: 53
        +1
        Quote: vovanpain
        that there will be a Nazi state that hates Russia and in a nightmare could not


        I apologize for getting in. Maybe ---- Nazi ---- is a very strong statement, as for Ukraine? Nazism is certainly very bad. But the Nazi state is a STRONG state. Germany was Nazi and she was very strong in that war. Although Hitler had a relatively small state (well, Germany cannot be compared in terms of human resources and territory with China and the USSR !!). Is Ukraine a strong state ?! No, absolutely not. So maybe then Ukraine is not a Nazi, but a fascist state? Germany was Nazi and strong during the war. And Italy was fascist and weak. Although an ally of Germany, but the weight on her legs. But today's Ukraine does not even attract fascist, an even less powerful state than Italy then. Is there a ruler in Ukraine, a Ukrainian analogue of Mussolini? Yes, the Lord is with you! He, though he was both a mongrel and a fool, looks on the newsreel, but he is a very strong and charismatic ruler. Which, before entering the war of Italy against the USSR, was adored and dear to its Italians. And he gave a lot in a positive way to Italy and Italians. Then, with the war and Stalingrad, Italian citizens, of course, sang another song. But Ukraine, well, at most, can be called fascist-comprador. For a completely fascist she is too weak.
    3. Wolverine
      Wolverine 23 December 2015 20: 01
      +6
      Let me disagree with you, Lukashenko behaves inappropriately, always goes to blackmail Russia, begs for privileges and money in response to his mythical loyalty to Russia. And what kind of a brother is he after that when the chill is on the back, I don’t know ...
    4. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 23 December 2015 20: 24
      +3
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      and with Belarusians we can have no problems a priori, and there’s nothing to say on this topic.

      Oh oh Byelorussian strife. Happened to communicate with fans of the ON, sadness ...
    5. veksha50
      veksha50 23 December 2015 20: 39
      0
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      Some nonsense ... minus.



      Doctor, I respect your opinion, but let me express my opinion ...

      In Belarus - the same problem as in Ukraine: West and East ... This problem was in Soviet times, but it was somehow hushed up ...

      This - and indeed it can be called - two seemingly different peoples, two different subcultures ... And now the subculture, which is a minority of the population, is trying to turn everything upside down ... But recently, father, it turns out, began to play along with this parts of the population ...

      There - I repeat once again - nothing new and surprising happens ...
      1. Just BB
        Just BB 24 December 2015 06: 23
        +2
        In Belarus - the same problem as in Ukraine: West and East ... This problem was in Soviet times, but it was somehow hushed up ...

        This - and indeed it can be called - two seemingly different people, two different subcultures ...

        Not West-East, but still Russia - Poland.
        And not "as though" - but "two different peoples!"
        And Poland is "rushing" - it can be seen even by the number of churches being built
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 24 December 2015 11: 27
        +1
        Greetings! hi
        Quote: veksha50
        In Belarus - the same problem as in Ukraine: West and East ..

        Not so obvious. But some "secret" ( wink ) the forces would like to rock the situation to Ukrainian sizes. And the author of them.
        “The power of Russia can be undermined only by the separation of Ukraine from it ... it is necessary not only to tear off, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia. To do this, you just need to find and cultivate traitors among the elite and with their help change the self-consciousness of one part of a great nation to such an extent that it will hate everything Russian, hate its clan without realizing it. Everything else is a matter of time. ”
        Otto von Bismarck. hi
    6. Lord of Wrath
      Lord of Wrath 24 December 2015 00: 54
      0

      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      I can’t say anything about the dad, because I don’t understand anything in his subtle politics

      Yes, what is there to understand) just look))
      Well, read http://lurkmore.to/%D0%91%D0%B0%D1%86%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B0 here everything is true, but with humor and evil
    7. combat66
      combat66 24 December 2015 08: 40
      0
      Even as they can! Just look at the short comments above yours.
      "Why do we need to recognize the chopping off of foreign territories by Russia?"
      We have a sufficient number of these. Believe me, if this "louse" started up on VO, then how many of them are not scared here!
      So in vain minus. winked
  • KBR109
    KBR109 23 December 2015 19: 11
    +6
    Everything described has a place to be. Many friends are there, because I know. I want to believe that this time ours will not oversleep. Ida. But father is not eternal, and it sometimes appears. It should be borne in mind that there are no free friends in interstate relations.
    1. venaya
      venaya 23 December 2015 19: 22
      +6
      Quote: KBR109
      there are no free friends in interstate relations

      Over 25 years, they spent $ 200 billion on gas only in Ukraine for gas discounts, while Americans of $ 5 billion (unofficially more than 20) didn’t invest everything in the economy (which was destroyed on the contrary), but in the media and all kinds of NGOs for the purposes of NLP population processing. It turns out everything in science - it’s more efficient to spoil the brains of the population. In this regard, the question is: what are your suggestions? Explain the help methodology.
      1. KBR109
        KBR109 23 December 2015 19: 36
        +4
        The United States, for example, is buying up the upper echelons at the root.
        1. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 23 December 2015 20: 29
          0
          Quote: KBR109
          The United States, for example, is buying up the upper echelons at the root.

          Oh really? More than we subsidize? Once again, I repeat, we must work with comrades. Either-or ... And no "and eat a fish, and sit somewhere there."
      2. alexej123
        alexej123 24 December 2015 09: 38
        0
        I fully support it. Does the example of the Union really teach nothing? How many "then" billions were invested in the "fraternal peoples"? So what? Where are these "brothers"? Where is the money "Zin"? Have written off. Why should we buy someone's "Russianness" or loyalty? Our people are provided with everything and live happily, no problems? All tryndyat - "Russia slept, did nothing." How much assistance has been provided to Ukraine in the form of discounts and loans to the detriment of our citizens? This behavior of mattress makers - first help, then these "allies" will already demand it. Then there are three ways out - to give, send to .. and hard put in place. Do we need it?
    2. kashtak
      kashtak 23 December 2015 20: 39
      +4
      Quote: KBR109
      there are no free friends in interstate relations

      friendship for cash is called briefly and clearly, well, you understand ...
  • vladstro
    vladstro 23 December 2015 19: 11
    +2
    Oh, the Ukrainian zapadentsev always hated Russia (they mostly rode on the Maidan), and Belarusians proved their heroism with their partisan warfare and areas where even Soviet power was in the Second World War. look, no Belarusians were and will be our allies.
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 23 December 2015 19: 20
      10
      Understand - that the USSR, that the BSSR in 1939 was added Zapadenschina - to each his own. Therefore, political processes also have the right to some similarities, adjusted for greater adequacy of the authorities. Nonetheless ... stop
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 23 December 2015 20: 50
        +1
        Quote: KBR109
        Understand - that the Ukrainian SSR, that the BSSR in 1939 was added Zapadenschina - to each his own.



        By God, the thought arises that some do not even know this ...

        The processes on the memory and ST are the same ... There, if there is a difference in something, then a little ...
        West and East in Ukraine and Belarus have always been, even under Soviet rule, antagonists ...
    2. kashtak
      kashtak 23 December 2015 20: 25
      +6
      Quote: vladstro
      Belarusians were and will be our allies.

      Belarusians were and I hope they will be, but Lukashenka and the company never was and never will be. "Old Man" always talked a lot about an alliance with Russia, but a little bit the conversation turned about something other than trade and markets for Belarusian goods, so it is impossible to distinguish from the same Yanukovych. says one thing and in the eyes the counter is spinning. all his friendship is of interest and to the first bump where he will jump off. while Lukashenka and those who support him, there will be no real integration in power.
      1. 1500014781401
        1500014781401 23 December 2015 23: 26
        -2
        But how do you understand real integration? To give our enterprises for free to the Russian criminal oligarchy, and we will be slaves to them?
        1. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 24 December 2015 04: 32
          +2
          Quote: 1500014781401
          and us to them as slaves?

          Are you freestyle now ???
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 24 December 2015 11: 33
            +1
            Quote: Semyon Semyonich
            Are you freestyle now ???

            More than the average Russian.
            And as for the oligarchy, 1500014781401 is right, remember the scandal with Uralkali, the raider attack by Gazprom on the gas transportation system of Belarus.
            1. Semen Semyonitch
              Semen Semyonitch 24 December 2015 17: 18
              +1
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              More than the average Russian.

              What is this expressed, if not secret?
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 24 December 2015 18: 55
                +1
                Quote: Semyon Semyonich
                What is this expressed, if not secret?

                Remember what people were like in the USSR? Non-digitized, as Zadornov says. In Belarus they are like that now. This is a sign of will, not a surrogate term "freedom". hi
                1. Semen Semyonitch
                  Semen Semyonitch 25 December 2015 16: 51
                  0
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Remember what people were in the USSR?

                  I remember yes This is when the jokes about Brezhnev in the kitchen were whispering? smile
        2. kashtak
          kashtak 24 December 2015 08: 01
          -1
          Quote: 1500014781401
          But how do you understand real integration? To give our enterprises for free to the Russian criminal oligarchy, and we will be slaves to them?

          Is this the only model? nobody idealizes our oligarchs, and yours from another test? or in another way, otherwise you can’t imagine with slaves? in my opinion it’s easier, your-yours is ours, but the position of the Allies should be agreed upon. this requires at least a single control center. with effective capabilities. I don’t even say more. haven’t you eaten up the shtetl autonomy yet? you still tell that in the USSR, Belarus was a slave. it’s time to understand that politics is a team matter, the larger the team, the greater the chances.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 24 December 2015 11: 34
            0
            Quote: kashtak
            and yours from another test?

            From the same. But they are on a leash in power, and not vice versa.
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    3. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 23 December 2015 20: 31
      +3
      Quote: vladstro
      and Belarusians with their partisan warfare and regions where even in the Second World War Soviet power was

      Will we measure everything with the old arshin? Voditsy has since flowed a lot. Western NGOs eat their bread for nothing.
    4. brisk
      brisk 23 December 2015 21: 28
      +1
      Quote: vladstro
      and Belarusians with their guerrilla warfare and regions where even in the Second World War there was Soviet power, proved their heroism


      And what, on June 23, 1941 in Grodno (Belarus), local residents even before the Wehrmacht approached, started shooting and knocking out Soviet troops, I saw this information more than once, is this not true? Wasn't it like that? And when, back in Soviet times, I read some provisions on rewarding combatants (legislation), then not only the Great Patriotic War participants, but also the participants in the liquidation of gangs, beginning in 1944 and beyond, were referred to them, --- Baltic States, Western Ukraine and Western Belarus. I was very surprised then when I read about Belarus. A cart and a small cart have been written about the forest from Western Ukraine, but nothing has ever come across from Western Belarus. Or is it nonsense and there were none? Or if there were, then the Bandera Galican guest performers climbed into Western Belarus, and not the locals? You can’t speculate in Western Belarus --- it’s been for 21 years in the Poles --- 1918 - 1939. And before and after that in Russia. However, like Volyn. Unlike Galicia.
      1. pilot bin-bom
        pilot bin-bom 23 December 2015 22: 49
        +3
        And what, on June 23, 1941 in Grodno (Belarus), local residents even before the Wehrmacht approached, started shooting and knocking out Soviet troops, I saw this information more than once, is this not true? Wasn't it like that?
        Ethnic Poles - yes. So the Belarusians did not even hide this. By the way, in the Belarusian film "Border" about the beginning of the war, where the main role of the border guard is played by Sergei Bezrukov, this deltano is shown in nature.
        You’d better google who burned the Belarusian villages and killed every fourth Belarusian. Khatyn visit.
        1. brisk
          brisk 24 December 2015 02: 46
          0
          Quote: Pilot bin-bom
          Ethnic Poles - yes. So the Belarusians did not even hide this. By the way, in the Belarusian film "Border" about the beginning of the war, where the main role of the border guard is played by Sergei Bezrukov, this deltano is shown in nature.
          You’d better google who burned the Belarusian villages and killed every fourth Belarusian. Khatyn visit.


          And who was Bulak-Balakhovich by nationality? I tried to find out, but could not, did not find an answer. A completely incomprehensible question. It is unclear from all over the Internet the nationality of Bulak-Balakhovich. I shoveled a bunch of material. And he was a crueler killer than Bandera. Bandera instigated, but he personally practically did not kill. Why do you think that it was and only the Poles who could in those days of June 1941 support the Germans with weapons and fight for them against the Sov. troops? I am not at all against the residents of Grodno. On the contrary, I respect them very much. The most beautiful people there. I was there, in 2006, in the town of Skidel near Grodno, where my grandfather from the Zaporozhye region of Ukraine was buried in a common grave of front-line soldiers, died in July 1944, liberating Belarus ... Remarkable people, at the military registration and enlistment office immediately pulled out a book, all the dead were recorded at they, the memory is alive and grateful, and to me, the descendant of the Ukrainians, the liberator of their land, were so well and kindly treated ... This could hardly be expected in neighboring Lithuania. It can be seen that they suffered hard during the war and fought against the Germans and Germany ... It seems even in 1939 the Germans crushed the Poles. And those who sat down in the Danzig post office with weapons were officially tried and executed by them, death! And even before the invasion of Poland, the Poles were officially and loudly called "Polish bandits ... Polish bandits defeated ...". So why would it, "Polish bandits", began to fight for the "German knights" in 1941? Have they forgotten how their broken brave zholnezhs walked barefoot along the autumn roads of their Poland in 1939 under the Fritz machine guns? Poles are not vindictive, they know how to forgive, and quickly forgive? And I remember a good Soviet film "Come and See" in 1985, where about Belarusian Khatyns. A character in a Kuban with his jokes to "syabram" was etched into my memory there. So this is what happened to the Kuban once in the Kubanka? What ethnic group is there? There is a Russian Internet resource "Lukmore". A swearing and figuratively antics version of Wikipedia. Hate him. On the one hand, sickening and dressing. But sometimes it can be precisely expressed. So there the inhabitants of the Kuban, Rostov region, Stavropol region are united by the name "cubanoids". The Ukrainians are distinguished by another name --- "Ukrainians". They are not identical with the Cubanoids. So, cubanoids along Lukmoryu --- they have them there with a massive square head, etc. Outfits with worthy people are brought into the "cubanoid detachment", for example, chikatila. How does it feel? What to take from them idiots. But here is sunk into the memory. Well, you see, and not without the same --- all those skins, yes, they are red, and the sultan, the teeth of the kettlebell, and the pannwitz still fired villages, both Belarusian and Russian ... and Ukrainian on occasion too ...
      2. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 24 December 2015 02: 16
        -5
        Quote: svelto
        You can’t speculate in Western Belarus --- it’s been for 21 years in the Poles --- 1918 - 1939. And before and after that in Russia. However, like Volyn. Unlike Galicia.

        I would not like to upset you, but the territory of Belarus finally fell into the Russian Empire only in 1975 with the third division of the Commonwealth, and before that, it had been part of the Commonwealth for 650 years.
        1. brisk
          brisk 24 December 2015 03: 14
          +2
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          I would not like to upset you, but the territory of Belarus finally fell into the Russian Empire only in 1975 with the third division of the Commonwealth, and before that, it had been part of the Commonwealth for 650 years.


          Maybe you wanted to say in 1795, and not in 1975? In 1975, no new territories were included in the USSR. The last territorial change in the USSR was in 1951 --- the exchange of territory with Poland (in small pieces in the Lviv region and adjacent Polish voivodina, 480 km quad.). Well and still impressive, 1795 --- 1918. Already a whole 123 years was all completely (!) White Russia as part of Russia! Yes, in principle, I don’t make any quacks about the dignity of Belarusians and their homeland of Belarus. And even to the Poles, even though they are people and unpleasant to me. Maybe a little better gypsies. Arrogant and ungrateful. Was Belarus 650 years old as part of Poland until 1795? It turns out somewhere in 1145 became part of Poland? Not true. Also in 1245 there was the Principality of Polotsk. And many years after that year, it was still there. But this principality is the basis of later Belarus. And that princess that she was forcibly brought to Kiev from Polotsk is also not a common story with the Poles. What is especially admired by them, these Poles? What are they preferable to the Eastern Slavs? And not only Slavs --- in Russia there are many other peoples living. Because of their immense greed for money, they settled Jews all over Poland in those times, even medieval ones. But the Jews were subsequently not good for White Russia, and for Red Russia, and also for Big Russia too ... Rather, the trouble soon became for centuries ... And the Poles themselves were irreparably spoiled and perverted for the worse. I am absolutely not anti-Semitic, I dismiss any possible accusations immediately and immediately. I didn’t write you a minus; I avoid doing this. So don’t think about me.
          1. combat66
            combat66 24 December 2015 08: 48
            +1
            But I’ll slap him, brotherly! For distortions in the knowledge of history. wink
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 24 December 2015 21: 41
              0
              Quote: combat66
              But I’ll slap him, brotherly! For distortions in the knowledge of history.

              Yes sculpt, brotherly historian.
              Clemens

              You are right in many respects, but they dragged the Jews in vain, they kind of came to Poland from Kiev where they were accused of in secret conspiracy with the Greeks.
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              2. brisk
                brisk 25 December 2015 01: 16
                +1
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                Jews were dragged in vain, they kind of came to Poland from Kiev


                No, not from Kiev. They were expelled from Germany and Spain with Portugal in the 11-16 centuries. England, too, caught up with her at the end of the 13th. And Poland collected them at home. Jews had a lot of gold diamonds, for giving money at interest for the goyim is a sacred thing for them, and not a sin at all. For Christians, such a belief was forbidden by the state administration. And there were Jews who were also masters of inventing and taxing the local labor people into the moshna of Polish feudal princes. Those greatly appreciated them. If Jews, then only a few units flew to Kiev, Novgorod and other principalities.
                1. saturn.mmm
                  saturn.mmm 25 December 2015 13: 02
                  +1
                  Quote: svelto
                  No, not from Kiev. They were expelled from Germany and Spain with Portugal in the 11-16 centuries. England, too, caught up with her at the end of the 13th.

                  Take an interest in the 9-10th century who ruled in Kiev at the time when Vladimir converted to Christianity then the Jews and began to persecute. Jews lived here in Belarus, it turns out that in your opinion they spoiled us, but they also lived in Russia.
                  1. brisk
                    brisk 25 December 2015 23: 09
                    +1
                    Quote: saturn.mmm
                    Take an interest in the 9-10th century who ruled in Kiev at the time when Vladimir converted to Christianity then the Jews and began to persecute. Jews lived here in Belarus, it turns out that in your opinion they spoiled us, but they also lived in Russia.


                    Friend You are my heart! Let's not try to drop in 1200 years ago! And you know why? Those who are professional historians, honest and objective historians, and love their profession, they will tell you one of their little professional secrets. And it consists in the following --- "It is impossible to establish how and what exactly happened, what happened, what were the moods in society, who and why behaved one way or another, if a thousand years or more have passed since the event." You can only relatively roughly imagine this. Despite the seemingly extant scrolls, manuscripts, etc. And, accordingly, the reliability and truth will be only approximate, relatively plausible (or erroneous!), Blurred ... This is, for example, the concept of an electron. Who saw this particle? How does it revolve around an atomic nucleus? What is she like? To the touch? No one has ever seen him, electron! And even the atom itself has not yet been seen! Not a single person on the whole planet Earth! Nevertheless, extensive atomic disciplines are built around atomistics and elementary particles, a lot of things seem to be confirmed in practical experiments ... What, in fact, I wanted to say. Yes, historians write that there were such Turkic peoples as the Khazars. These are not those Semitic Jews. They are of a completely different origin. And the Khazars did not live close to the Jews. So historians write. Some attribute their original homeland to Altai. But is this the thing that happened then, one and a half thousand years ago? Do we have few current problems now? Yes, it seems like the top of the Khazars and their state, the so-called Kaganate, adopted the Jewish faith (unprecedented! proselytism and missionaryism are absolutely not peculiar to Jews!). Note --- the top, not the entire Khazar people! That is, here Judaism is not for cattle, but only for the elite! But where is the evidence that the Khazars sat on thrones or simply ruled in Kiev and Novgorod? Where is the proof? In birch bark letters maybe? Who can tell what origin the prince of Kiev Oleg the Prophet had? Different opinions --- then the Norman-Scandinavian, then not the Norman ... And now read the forums, Russian in particular, they write ---- "In Kiev in 1050, the Jews ruled with might and main, and the princes in the 800-900s were completely Khazars-Jews!" Those forum users now know everything! Long centuries, dark deeds ... Why raise them now and allow the past to corrupt life in the present and in the future? Moreover, a much closer past --- here in 1941 - 1945? Why should it again be the source of new killings? In Belarus, they can now say to a Ukrainian --- "And you, Ukrainians, burned the Belarusian Khatyn in 1943!" But then what, and perhaps a Belarusian cannot be told in the Russian city of Pskov --- "And your first Belarusian father Bulak-Balakhovich in 1919 outweighed a lot of our citizens in our Russian Pskov! I hung my great-grandfather with my own hand on a lamppost! " Why should the past, which was 70-100 years ago, not only come to life in memory, but also initiate new murders? And by the way, that is how it has been throughout history.
                    1. brisk
                      brisk 25 December 2015 23: 10
                      +1
                      Well, in Poland and Belarus, yes, there really were many Jews. Even, perhaps, a lot. No matter the town, Belarusian, Ukrainian or Polish, then there are 20% of Jews, 37% of Jews, 17% of Jews ... Or even 60% and 70%. In Russia, this was not even close. What can you do? It happened so in history. And the Pale of Settlement, sir! And the Jews themselves ... Well, the Jews ... It seems that they themselves were always pedaling the "Jewish question". And there were earthly geniuses among them, and crazy, and kind, and criminals ... But they always distinguished themselves. And did they have any desire to truly unite with the peoples who sheltered them? Never! They were notorious racist nationalists with claims of superiority and exclusivity. Aggressive and surreptitiously, implicitly, as a computer dodgy virus acted. When the people who sheltered them come to their senses, it is often too late for themselves ... Draw your own conclusions. Once again, I am not an anti-Semite in the sense of the word. Although most Jews will have a completely different point of view on this matter.
                      1. saturn.mmm
                        saturn.mmm 26 December 2015 14: 49
                        +1
                        Quote: svelto
                        Let's not try to drop in 1200 years ago!

                        That is, for 900 it is possible and for 1200 it is impossible.
                        Quote: svelto
                        And, accordingly, the reliability and truth will be only approximate

                        Isn't history a science?
                        Quote: svelto
                        And the Khazars did not live close to the Jews.

                        With Jews, everything is very difficult, no one can really tell who the Jews are. It is believed that the Jews are the children of Abraham, a prosperous community living in the area of ​​Babylon (I don’t remember exactly), all of their slaves adopted Judaism. At the invitation of the pharaoh, they moved to Egypt, their affairs went well and the number of slaves increased, but once Moses took the slaves from Egypt, it is difficult to say that any of the slaves had a blood relationship with the descendants of Abraham.
                        The Khazars adopted Judaism, first to know and then everyone else, like Vladimir Christianity at first and then the rest, after the defeat of the Khazars by Svyatoslav, most of them went to German lands and joined the Ashkenazi Jews from where they later spread to Poland and under Vitovt and On
                        Quote: svelto
                        And your Belarusian first Old Man Bulak-Balakhovich

                        What side to us is a White Guard officer of Polish descent, and in Pskov he was atrocious even before Belarus, there was a civil war, atrocities both red and white are not accepted.
                        Quote: svelto
                        Whatever place, Belarusian,

                        So this is the result of three sections of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, after them in our cities the indigenous population remained critically few, and here Catherine populated them with Jews, you have less and we have more.
                        Quote: svelto
                        Although most Jews will have a completely different point of view on this subject.

                        There are very few of them in Belarus, during the Union they lived peacefully with them, among them were good doctors, teachers, tailors, there were even Greco-Roman wrestling trainers, among Russians and Belarusians there were also enough dishonorable people, but that it would not be so noticeable usually point to the Jews.
                        Photo of a hydrogen atom.
                      2. brisk
                        brisk 26 December 2015 16: 47
                        0
                        saturn.mmm, but he seems to be the very first to proclaim the Belarusian state? And in Ukraine there were Skoropadsky, yes Petliura, yes Hrushevsky, who proclaimed the Ukrainian statehood. So, to calculate what percentage they have of Turkish, Jewish blood, and what Ukrainian? Nonsense. And the Kazkar didus Panas (do not remember this? "Otaka x ... nya babies, yelling a bald hare!"), They write that he was a Jew from Ukraine, a shtetl. Misto Talne Umansky district of Kiev province. But this has no role for me. Here didus Panas for me has always been and remains a Ukrainian. He was wearing an embroidered shirt, wusams, and tonsured into a Cossack circle. And a folk-Ukrainian storyteller, a storyteller from God! Talent! Malyukiv sprinkled it with fairy tales so cool! For me, he is Ukrainian, although he is Jewish by birth. But fully assimilated and became Ukrainian, and spoke exclusively Ukrainian. And not exchanged for any Israelis with synagogues. And he didn’t look like a Jew at all ... But Balakhovich himself was from the present Grodno region. Belarus is. Well, even a Pole, although this is absolutely unclear. His nationality has not been confirmed by documents. There is murder in war, and there is murder just for the sake of murder. That was exactly the second. Does this justify him, if the war was civil? He killed because of his craving for public hanging. What are the excuses for him? I do not justify the Ukrainian Banderites. It would be good if only the NKVD and the soldiers of the Red Army were killed. And they killed the sent engineers, teachers, doctors ... What are their excuses? I also call the Makhnovists, who loved to kill just to chop off their heads, murderers. And neither you nor I lived during the time of Hetman Vishnevetsky, and even more so the Emperor Justinian. Therefore, we do not know either the spirit of that time, or what specifically happened with them. We have not experienced it personally. History is science, but to certain extent. Why it can't be accurate. You cannot have conversations with those who died 500 years ago. You understand perfectly well what I wanted to say. Don't flatter yourself too much about photographing an atom. This is just a very unclear and vague picture. Perhaps just aberrations. You have such an opinion, I have such. I have no desire to destroy the interlocutor. For some, they say, the opponent becomes the enemy. Including for Lenin. It was important for him to defeat the interlocutor. And if a slightly different opinion, then became a renegade for him.
                      3. saturn.mmm
                        saturn.mmm 27 December 2015 14: 21
                        0
                        Quote: svelto
                        but he seems to be the first to proclaim the Belarusian state?

                        He jumped up with a detachment and occupied a couple of districts and began to establish power a few months later, they expelled him, it happened all the time, for the Belarusians he didn’t remember him, if he hadn’t forgotten about him atrocities in Pskov.
                        The Jews left, all already, there are none, live in Israel, mostly proud of their technological country. They feel good, and we somehow didn’t feel worse.
                        Quote: svelto
                        Maybe just aberration

                        No, this is a photograph taken with a quantum microscope.
                        Quote: svelto
                        I have no desire to defeat the interlocutor.

                        I’m just talking to you, I haven’t even thought about any defeats, in a conversation you often learn something new or look at the problem from a different point of view.
      3. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 24 December 2015 18: 32
        0
        Quote: svelto
        Maybe you wanted to say in 1795, and not in 1975?

        Two tsiferki confused in places, it happens.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 23 December 2015 19: 15
    -6
    And without the "father" Belarusians will not go anywhere! The oil industry (on Russian duty-free oil), their tractors and tractors are needed only in Russia. And a new business is re-sticking the labels of European goods that fell into the "counter-sanctions". Now we have a "Belarusian" salmon, kiwi, octopus, shrimps, etc. We are waiting after the New Year for Turkish goods - "Mayd in Belarus" - tangerines, fish and so on. So keep, get rich at the expense of Russia!
    Quote: Misha Honest
    While Old Man is alive - everything will be stable more or less.

    hi
    1. woron333444
      woron333444 23 December 2015 20: 35
      +5
      And Ukraine sat on Russian oil and gas, received discounts and simultaneously stole. And ours forgave everything, and now "not brothers"
    2. 1500014781401
      1500014781401 23 December 2015 23: 30
      -5
      Do you know about the geography of deliveries of Belarusian agricultural equipment? Take an interest in the number of joint ventures around the world.
      By the way, all of our exports to Russia, we have increased GDP by several times, decreased from 85% to 45%.
  • L. A. A.
    L. A. A. 23 December 2015 19: 18
    +6
    Something is generally incomprehensible with the Old Man.
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 23 December 2015 19: 30
      -5
      Quote: L. A. A.
      Something is generally incomprehensible with the Old Man.

      Old Man with the people and this is important! It can be twisted as much as possible .. For that I respect him! hi
      1. MIKHALYCH1
        MIKHALYCH1 23 December 2015 20: 03
        +4
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        Quote: L. A. A.
        Something is generally incomprehensible with the Old Man.

        Old Man with the people and this is important! It can be twisted as much as possible .. For that I respect him! hi

        And why did they minus ...? I like to criticize Lukashenka, but in fact he is “playing” on the brink of a foul trying to keep the country afloat (albeit cunningly at the expense of Russia and still ..) If anything, Belarus will support us in difficult times (they have a lot of experience) No wonder Lukashenko, our democrats hate terribly! He is a tough man and does not like to talk ... He cuts right off the shoulder! good
        1. Akulina
          Akulina 23 December 2015 20: 17
          +4
          The key phrase "... at the expense of Russia ..." Isn't too much of everything in the world being done at the expense of Russia? And dad there too. He kisses Poroshenko, says nothing about the shot down SU like a fish on the ice - but he could at least express condolences. And you listen to the news on Belarus TV, what they say there about Russia, at the expense of which they live - every day they become more and more impudent. I often watch this channel - soon it will be indistinguishable from ukrosmi. And how many Ukrainian products are secretly sold to us under their brands, in particular milk ("Brest-Litovskaya" for example). The old man is still a beetle - I don't believe him a dime. His "friendship" is only as long as we bring down the money and sell gas on the cheap.
          1. MIKHALYCH1
            MIKHALYCH1 23 December 2015 20: 29
            +3
            Quote: Akulina
            The key phrase "... at the expense of Russia ..."

            I don’t want to argue with you, maybe this person will convince you! hi
          2. 1500014781401
            1500014781401 23 December 2015 23: 33
            -2
            $ 8 billion is Russia's debt for products delivered to Belarus. We would have had enough of this money for a nuclear power plant. A special commission was created in Moscow, they knocked out 100 million dollars, a drop in the ocean. So, you are our benefactors.
          3. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 24 December 2015 00: 00
            +4
            Quote: Akulina
            His "friendship" only while we bring down money and sell gas for cheap.

            How much gas do you have now?
            1. Lord of Wrath
              Lord of Wrath 24 December 2015 01: 07
              +1
              Quote: PHANTOM-AS
              How much gas do you have now?

              But this is the biggest mystery))))))))))))))
              In fact, Russia pays 142 $, but the population pays 311 $ more.
              Where does the difference go, as if NO ONE is aware)
              Another example) Electricity is made from gas and the Ministry of Energy reports that it has reached the level of 1 kW / h = 1 cent and by the way successfully sells to Latvia at 1.5 cents.
              But the population pays at 5.6 cents per kWh. Where the difference goes, too, as you already understand, is not clear.
              And what’s the funniest thing, according to the zombie creator, and recently, already in fat, they write that they subsidize us with 70%. I'm really afraid to consider how much we pay, if without subsidies)) By the way, gas in warring Ukraine is 244, and the population pays 297. Well, for electricity 1.97
              Oh yes with NG we will pay another 20% more. The government decided to impose VAT
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 24 December 2015 11: 44
                0
                Quote: Lord of Wrath
                In fact, Russia pays 142 $, but the population pays 311 $ more.

                And in our country gasoline rises in price against the background of cheaper oil, and most of the price is state excise taxes. We sell electricity to China cheaper than our own population.
                Quote: Lord of Wrath
                Oh yes with NG we will pay another 20% more. The government decided to impose VAT

                We have had VAT for a long time. Further "sores" will be measured?wink
                1. Lord of Wrath
                  Lord of Wrath 25 December 2015 08: 09
                  0
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Further "sores" will be measured?

                  It's not about sores)
                  It's just that the whole of Belarus is being milked hard by one person, whom the Russians call "dad", and we are Luka.
                  He begs handouts from Russia and sends it to his pocket.
                  And the election is just a laugh. Personally, I know the whole 1 person from probably 400 acquaintances who really voted for him.
                  We have already had 2 elections in our parliament in general, NOT ONE, not only an "oppositionist", but both a communist and a moderate did not get
              2. woron333444
                woron333444 26 December 2015 06: 30
                +1
                http://www.sargc.ru/stoimost-prirodnogo-gaza.html
                here are the rates
                We do not have gas, and relatives in Barnaul pay 130r per month for a house of 1600 sq.m (heating, hot water, a gas stove)
                Where is $ 311 here?
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          5. 1500014781401
            1500014781401 24 December 2015 00: 11
            +6
            Stunned-Brest-Lithuanian products are not Belarusian! Should drink less!
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 24 December 2015 00: 23
              +2
              Quote: 1500014781401
              Stunned-Brest-Lithuanian products are not Belarusian! Should drink less!

              Do not pay attention, we have a certain group of people who, in all the troubles that occur with the Russian Federation, are looking for the guilty in the wrong places.
          6. ruskih
            ruskih 24 December 2015 00: 36
            +1
            And what do you work at our Brest Savushkin?
      2. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 23 December 2015 20: 25
        18
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        Old Man with the people and this is important! It can be twisted as much as possible .. For that I respect him!

        And I do not respect:
        - he never supported Russia in difficult times, did not recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia;
        -called in Kiev to fight for the Crimea, which means to kill Russian soldiers;
        - I didn’t send a single humcon convoy to the Donbass, where old people, women and children die from hunger and lack of medicines, claiming that there is no Russian world;
        - Framed Putin with the air base, when Putin instructed the Russian government to sign an agreement on the creation of the air base, said that he knew nothing about it;
        -does not stop smuggling, giving the West the opportunity to circumvent retaliatory Russian sanctions, undermining the effect of retaliatory countermeasures, and not fulfilling allied obligations;
        - Again he was silent when the SU-24 was shot down.
        To save power, I’m ready to do anything, moral standards, allied commitments, promises and decency are not about him, the main thing is to get out ...
        1. brisk
          brisk 23 December 2015 21: 17
          -5
          Quote: Anatol Klim
          called in Kiev to fight for the Crimea, which means to kill Russian soldiers


          Well, where did Lukashenka call on Kakelov "to fight for the Crimea"? Where? Bring his words. Maybe he said in this spirit --- "And you make a life in your Ukraine such that the inhabitants of Crimea want to be in Ukraine themselves!" So - he, Lukashenka, should be obstructed for such words, slapped in the face? He answered illogically, to the questions of ukrkorrespondents? You are from the United States, and you must know that 95% of the population of the once very non-existent island of Puerto Rico in 2012 favored being a state in the United States. And not an independent island (or even a semi-dependent one, as it is now). The referendum was quite official there. And 50 years ago there was a completely different picture on the same issue. Why did they say that? Because in the United States life is rich and much better and more prosperous than in their freely associated and unincorporated territory.
          1. Anatole Klim
            Anatole Klim 23 December 2015 21: 34
            +8
            Quote: svelto
            Well, where did Lukashenka call on Kakelov "to fight for the Crimea"? Where? Bring his words

            "I told Turchinov (Lukashenko met with Alexander Turchinov when he was the acting president of Ukraine - ed.) That if this is your land, then why did you not fight for it? Moreover, there were many Ukrainian troops there. Why did you not fight? Have you admitted that this is not your land? " Lukashenka asked.
            RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20150804/1161814525.html#ixzz3vAbHriJD
            You are from the USA ...

            I’m from Russia, I have never been to the USA, the American flag has been hanging in the morning, the question is not for me, some kind of failure ...
      3. kashtak
        kashtak 23 December 2015 20: 37
        +1
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX

        Old Man with the people and this is important! It can be twisted as much as possible .. For that I respect him! hi

        that's what it gets out of. it's time to decide who he is. he is an ally to us or only exploits the theme of the union. crisis, why do we need such fellow travelers?
        1. MIKHALYCH1
          MIKHALYCH1 23 December 2015 21: 16
          0
          Quote: kashtak
          Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX

          Old Man with the people and this is important! It can be twisted as much as possible .. For that I respect him! hi

          that's what it gets out of. it's time to decide who he is. he is an ally to us or only exploits the theme of the union. crisis, why do we need such fellow travelers?

          Well, you're right, but we can’t swear now! hi I'll tell you a secret .. All the profits earned "on Russia" are returned to Russia ..! But from Russia it is "leaking" and lately very powerfully ... hi
    2. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 23 December 2015 20: 41
      +7
      Quote: L.A. A.
      Something is generally incomprehensible with the Old Man.

      Why not understand here? After all, everything is very simple. The Old Man has a farm philosophy without options. And a very big conceit.
      He leads the state with great difficulty, as statistics show. He looks at the rich West in the hope that from him he will be given both bread and butter for nothing! A public debt is growing inexorably.
      Industry development at zero. There are no new markets. In Europe, it is not needed. It survives only at the expense of Russia, thanks to our injections into their economy.
      And it is not clear why he is puffing, posing as a great politician. And from the great to the ridiculous, one step! Constantly, with great accuracy, continues to crap Russia, realizing that without Russia he is a dummy, like the Baltic states.
      How he was two-faced, and continues to be so! He is not an enemy to us, but not a friend! At any moment, can betray in favor of the one who beckons cookies!
    3. 1500014781401
      1500014781401 23 December 2015 23: 31
      0
      He doesn’t allow to rob the country, he filed a lawsuit against Kerimov to Interpol and still does not withdraw. Sadness
  • Neophyte
    Neophyte 23 December 2015 19: 21
    +9
    They forgot their historical roots, but Lithuanian-Polish lords despised them! They are worn with the sign “Chase and imagine themselves to be Baltic Sarmatians? And Russians, they say, are oriental savages. The ignorance and stupidity of young people is over the top, especially in Minsk!”
    1. Starik72
      Starik72 23 December 2015 22: 46
      +2
      Neophyte. Where did you see the Chase flags, well, name it. And if someone appears with them, then they are dispersed, like wacky jackals.
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 23 December 2015 22: 57
        +4
        Quote: Starik72
        Starik72 (

        Do not pay attention, basically normal adequate people live in Russia, who understand everything, and we will not take into account the types of people fooled by a duroscope. hi
  • nord62
    nord62 23 December 2015 19: 21
    22
    Dear author! You not only exaggerate, but, to put it mildly, abuse the yellow garbage press and the sites on which the so-called "oppas" are marking time. And a vivid example of this is that those who didn’t want to vote for Lukashenka simply didn’t go in the elections, because to vote for these "oppos" is not to respect yourself and to crap Belarus. That is why Lukashenka won SUCH number of votes that people didn’t go to the polls, so as not to vote for the "opposition" idiots and grant suckers.
    If you look into history, you will understand that the Belarusian people for all centuries have been fighting from the heart, in our blood - if we are affected, then we can fight to the death for our land (this can be done in Perm or Vologda, but not in Polotsk or Kobrin). And most of all, therefore, Belarusians value calm and peace. The day after tomorrow Catholic Christmas (I am Orthodox), but with pleasure we will go to congratulate the neighbors. In the same way, they will come to us.
    You in Russia (as in Belarus) also have enough idiots, schizophrenics and traitors, for example Navalny, Kasparov, Akhedzhakova and others. We have Lebedko, Khalip, Poznyak, etc. Yes, I do not argue - they are barking, shitting where they can, with saliva they are begging for silver from mattresses Judin. But the people DO NOT SUPPORT them! That is the problem for them. So their birthing ideas are all - PAST!
    There are many facts that can be cited, but I have one conclusion: Your article is bullfinch, absolutely groundless, harming Belarusian-Russian relations. Definitely! hi
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 23 December 2015 19: 31
      +8
      Totally, absolutely and unconditionally agree !!! good drinks
      1. combat66
        combat66 24 December 2015 08: 56
        +2
        Eh .... and I would agree if I didn’t know the mood of some of our youth! recourse
    2. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 23 December 2015 20: 39
      +2
      Quote: nord62
      There are many facts that can be cited, but I have one conclusion: Your article is bullfinch, absolutely groundless, harming Belarusian-Russian relations. Definitely!

      Glad for your optimism. Can you refute the facts of the substitution of a common history and identity?
    3. By001261
      By001261 23 December 2015 20: 51
      0
      With two hands for !!!!!!!!!!
    4. 1500014781401
      1500014781401 23 December 2015 23: 51
      -6
      And now ask yourself the question: why is there anything in Russia that seems to be allied to us in all the mass media about Belarusians, or is it nothing or exclusively rotten? For what purpose is this done? Should we also wait for the green men who will look for fascists in the swamps with us?
      1. prosto_rgb
        prosto_rgb 24 December 2015 12: 30
        0
        Quote: 1500014781401
        Should we also wait for the green men who will look for fascists in the swamps with us?

        I'm already waiting.
        Bulbo-Bandera junta did not have long left to eat Russian-speaking babies in Polotsk.
    5. Lord of Wrath
      Lord of Wrath 24 December 2015 01: 21
      -1
      Quote: nord62
      Because Lukashenko scored SUCH number of votes
    6. alexej123
      alexej123 24 December 2015 09: 55
      0
      I agree, except "It is possible to sit out in Perm or Vologda, but not in Polotsk or Kobrin." What are you talking about that the Russians do not fight to the death, are not like you Belarusians?
  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 23 December 2015 19: 24
    19
    Delirium! Sucked from the finger. It does not smell of any lithuanism (at least I haven’t even seen or heard a hint of this. Vaughn with the monuments? It's even worse delirium. The author found some example he invented and puts it at the forefront. The monument may not be set for many reasons , and not only on those that are beneficial to someone for describing the situation. Or it was not even set according to the criteria that are needed to describe the situation. This is generally a problem of a single state. And the situation with the monument is by no means indicative of politics. take into account the conventions of our history, then I generally consider fiddling with monuments as childish.In any state there is a certain percentage of nationalists, rushing about, as with a bag, with their claims and what? To consider their thoughts as state and sound the alarm ?? and in (in) Ukraine, therefore you can sleep peacefully. Are you afraid of drifts, like Ukrainian ??? Again, you can sleep peacefully, we see the consequences of such "somersaults", because even the miles themselves The clerks will not allow this to happen without any orders.
    So what is the author eating? Fear for us ???? Yes, we ourselves are kind of not small laughing
    And regarding the general mood - I’ll tell you by my own example
    The town is small - about 3 thousand. Two schools - Russian and Belarusian (no one agitates anywhere, study either there or there, as your heart desires), there are monuments to Konstantin Ostrozhky (from the time of the so-called ON) and Orthodoxy. Two active churches, Orthodox and some other sectarian. All exist peacefully and decorously. There are a lot of hotels, in the summer you go out to the center - you don't know anyone. There are more than enough taverns and cafes in terms of the number of inhabitants. Some Russian opened his own business in a neighboring village - no one bothers him, live in good health. Everyone speaks (despite schools) in Russian. Of the notable changes, only the more noticeable appearance of border guards due to the southern "democratic" neighbor. Which are welcome, because nobody wants a Ukrainian scenario.
    WHERE IS THE PROBLEMS DESCRIBED BY THE AUTHOR ???? I will answer - in the head of the author!
    Personally, my opinion hi Minus negative
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 23 December 2015 20: 42
      +2
      Quote: Rurikovich
      . and the situation with the monument is by no means indicative of politics

      A chicken by the grain ...
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 23 December 2015 20: 57
        +4
        No need to see the trick in everything wink If so, in all that is not obvious, to look for something that is not there, then you can not survive until retirement or pick up sores on the basis of nerves smile
        Only those countries are swinging which "want" to swing. And the last 20 years have shown, and the comparison with our neighbors, that we do not want this. soldier
        So in vain do you write this wink
        1. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 23 December 2015 21: 27
          0
          You there, of course, know better. Glad I will be wrong. After being burnt in milk, blow into the water hi
          1. regsSSSR
            regsSSSR 23 December 2015 23: 03
            +4
            By the way, in Polotsk in 2-10, the Monument to the Heroes of the Patriotic War of 1812 was restored! very majestic
            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Памятник_героям_Отечествен
            war_1812_year_ (Paul
            bcc)
            and also near Polotsk in the village of Klyastitsy (where the main battle took place), a monument has also been restored (Klyastitsy: an undeservedly forgotten victory of Russian weapons)
            http://www.postkomsg.com/history/199397/
            so don’t worry, you don’t take it all so much they restore it on the contrary!
            Well, about the Khatyn memorial complex I can not even mention! have been there a magnificent large-scale complex of the tragic history of the people. when you are on its territory, especially if in the twilight honestly it is already breathtaking! no such historical memory is so easy to break
      2. regsSSSR
        regsSSSR 23 December 2015 22: 18
        +1
        Semen Semyonitch
        Quote: Rurikovich
        . and the situation with the monument is by no means indicative of politics
        A chicken by the grain ...

        generally agree but ..
        (unfortunately I don’t know about the situation with this monument (how do I know what I will write in detail)
        BUT, when in the city of Khimki in the 90th years near Moscow near the famous Lavochkin plant (the radionovo district) for some reason they demolished a whole alley of monuments of the heroes of the partisans (I honestly don’t even remember who they were exactly), which was why I was remembered by the way! tyk to anyone this for some reason it wasn’t interesting not in presey or where not a word not gu gu !! say so! I think there are a lot of such situations, just some are inflated to universal proportions, but others do not even pay attention to the same! that's how it goes hi
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    2. Arkon
      Arkon 23 December 2015 21: 07
      +3
      Quote: Rurikovich
      It doesn’t smell like litvina (at least I haven’t even seen or heard a hint of this.


      Do you know the Rotary Club? A fairly significant association of entrepreneurs in Belarus. Quite an official Masonic "daughter". I have a classmate from Minsk, her member. They have "Lithuanian" - a corporate ideology.
      "Litvinstvo" is being introduced as the ideology of the "Belarusian intelligentsia", "historically savvy Belarusians". As something elite and prestigious.

      Through these entrepreneurs, financing will pass at the right time.
      So, I believe that you personally have not heard anything about this, but I also just know that "Lithuanianism" is actively "pedaling" in Belarus. It's just a fact - why argue?

      Another question is that, of course, Belarus is not Ukraine, but the danger cannot be underestimated. There is nothing more dangerous than underestimating the enemy. You will not argue with this?
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 23 December 2015 21: 49
        +3
        Such lovers of Freemasonry and all kinds of closed societies have the KGB. Therefore, in case of their really serious attacks towards the state, sanctions can follow that they will really become closed. But not only in their toys in the gods, but in security cameras.
        With regard to funding, documents have already been thrown out after the last coup attempt in the 11th year. So, such "historically savvy" Belarusians need to draw a line that cannot be crossed. My godfather and I are also in a secret society from his wife, and we meet twice a year for conspiracy and drink to the Great Country. Therefore, the KGB is not interested in us either laughing
        So do not worry, the operatives will not miss serious things, and you need to deal with childishness wisely. And a company of a dozen freaks with their charters is not harmful if it does not create problems for itself.
        Yes, and about Litvinism. We are not going to live under the panes, therefore the planting of such an option under any pretext is practically unrealistic. And the story is closer closer, with Victory Day, and not the one that is drawn in the sore minds of the population, the amount of which balances on statistical errors in the hundredths to tenths of a percent ... And for the population, the monuments to the dead and burned villages are closer than some pans and gentry. So sleep well. smile
        1. Arkon
          Arkon 23 December 2015 21: 56
          +1
          Quote: Rurikovich
          So do not worry, the operatives will not miss serious things, and you need to deal with childishness wisely. And a company of a dozen freaks with their charters is not harmful if it does not create problems for itself.


          God grant.
          As for the KGB, people work there too. And the KGB has leaders. There will be betrayal at the top and no KGB will do anything.

          At the same time, I, like you, are sure that nothing will come of them with Belarus. Khrenushki. wink
      2. Lord of Wrath
        Lord of Wrath 24 December 2015 01: 27
        0
        Quote: Arkon
        Do you know the Rotary Club? A fairly significant association of entrepreneurs in Belarus. Quite an official Masonic "daughter". I have a classmate from Minsk, her member. They have "Lithuanian" - a corporate ideology.

        Your friend is lying)
        We tried to make the Rotary Club about 10-15 years ago. It just ended before it started. The icon is lying around at home.
        Yes, and the masses (as well as many other organizations) in Belarus are banned and persecuted by the KGB
        1. Arkon
          Arkon 24 December 2015 10: 04
          +2
          Well, what ended 10 years ago - you got excited: http://rotary.org.by
          True, the latest news on the website for 2014, which inspires certain hopes.

          I probably expressed myself inaccurately. Rotary itself is crap, but it perfectly illustrates where the legs grow from in Lithuanian. From here they grow - from Freemasonry.
          Just when the idea goes to the masses, the source is no longer visible.
          Therefore, he wrote about Rotary so that the source was clear.
    3. regsSSSR
      regsSSSR 23 December 2015 21: 53
      +4
      Rurikovich
      WHERE IS THE PROBLEMS DESCRIBED BY THE AUTHOR ???? I will answer - in the head of the author!
      Personally, my opinion is hi Minus negative


      nord62
      There are many facts that can be cited, but I have one conclusion: Your article is bullfinch, absolutely groundless, harming Belarusian-Russian relations. Definitely! hi


      write everything correctly! Totally, absolutely and unconditionally agree !!!
      Yes, and just do who writes and believes in the war, probably has no idea about Belarus, maybe at all there was once!

      I myself am a citizen of the Russian Federation, I just live in Belarus for a long time in a small town with a population of 5 thousand people! I travel a lot talking with people and I can definitely say the article is completely nonsense, very mare! in order to have at least the slightest idea of ​​what is really happening here, you need to LIVE and see everything yourself and not read the yellow articles! with the situation in or in Ukraine) you can’t even compare closely! and while Lukashenko’s power, a scenario similar to Ukrainian in prince ne is even theoretically impossible, period !!! I have already written a lot on this subject, just rewriting and reprinting and every time reacting to any petty propaganda (and so it is clear to whom and why necessary) is already tired!
  • KP8789
    KP8789 23 December 2015 19: 28
    0
    Some kind of nonsense. It surprises the placement of a clearly provocative article on VO.
    Military Review is gradually turning yellow, which is a pity.
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 23 December 2015 20: 05
      +6
      Bullshit is not bullshit. And in Ukraine, Europe!
  • igorra
    igorra 23 December 2015 19: 30
    14
    How many minuses did they put for the same words? In Hohland, it was also slowly starting to remind you what was going on there now? Tear off the ass boys’s ass, go outside, talk to the Belarusians. What about the facts? Here's one: Ukraine was supported by money, even when they themselves had nothing to eat, they supported it.
    We thought instead of communication we will give money all right. We support Belarus with money, then tell a fairy tale about a white bull-calf or do you talk more?
  • Pirogov
    Pirogov 23 December 2015 20: 00
    14
    And I’ll tell you, it was also calm and peaceful somewhere, jackals yapping, everyone, too, perceived them as one hundred normal there are two offended, like a patriot, ... And now Pin..do..siya singled out pennies. Then you know.
    1. lexa333
      lexa333 23 December 2015 20: 16
      +2
      support
      1. Pirogov
        Pirogov 23 December 2015 20: 37
        -2
        Hi Lyokha, are you from Zaporozhye from which region I am from a shevchik ...
  • Pancho
    Pancho 23 December 2015 20: 07
    +3
    The Russian government structures do not seem to notice the colossal everyday struggle going on in the field of information confrontation in the Lukashenko state, are in no hurry to support the friends of our country, and are not repelling its ill-wishers.
    And they poured Ukraine, now the turn of Belarus has come. And then they are amazed at Russophobia on the blue eye. My decent words have ended, some obscene words are torn out.
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  • ASK505
    ASK505 23 December 2015 20: 16
    +8
    Lukashenka has already sold half of Minsk to Qatar, according to Satanovsky. He also sells weapons to the sheikhs of Qatar, which then shoots at Assad's soldiers. And Qatar with the Saudis is the main sponsor against Syria. MAZ sells military trucks to Ukraine. Did not recognize South Ossetia, Abkhazia. Not a word of support for our aviation in Syria. In two months! He works on the sly on sanctioned products. And all this against the background of benefits and financial support from Russia. How long do we not know yet? Everyone is trying to dance at two weddings at the same time, like Gaddafi, Hussein or Yanukovych. A person is judged by his actions. I remembered Stalin's words: "Is it the enemy or?" When he asked the enemies about it, offering to make a choice.
  • ruskih
    ruskih 23 December 2015 20: 17
    +8
    I have been reading VO for a long time, but one day, after another mud in the comments, and my patience burst, I registered. I felt like a similar article should appear on VO. No way the boys involved in national politics woke up. Well, so "Good morning!". Only a day is already in the yard. The truth is that they asked me to get ahead of me in the comments, so I won’t repeat myself.
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 23 December 2015 20: 45
      +3
      Quote: ruskih
      No way the boys involved in national politics woke up. Well, so "Good morning!". Only a day is already in the yard.

      The "boys", on whom our bright common future depends, are still asleep. With an emergency, break the glass ... hi
      1. ruskih
        ruskih 23 December 2015 20: 58
        +1
        Semen Semenych, and you kick them in the ass, so that they not only open their eyes.
        1. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 23 December 2015 21: 30
          +1
          Shoe size is small request for such a kick ...
          1. ruskih
            ruskih 23 December 2015 22: 26
            +3
            Thanks for the positive. Laughing from the heart.
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            2. Semen Semyonitch
              Semen Semyonitch 24 December 2015 06: 20
              0
              Contact hi
  • veksha50
    veksha50 23 December 2015 20: 17
    0
    "We overslept Ukraine" ...

    I completely agree with the author of the article ... And the situation described by him is absolutely not new ... What, someone did not know and does not know that Belarus has the same problem as Ukraine - East and West ?? ? This was known back in Soviet times ...

    History is again distorted ... Each muttering in its own pipe, according to its own notes ...
    And again, the Polish Panov, and again the Catholics ... No, I don’t have anything against the Poles (though, the eternal enemies of Russia) as people, nor against Catholicism ... However, I am opposed when I enter politics with the aim of delimiting people intervenes just the racial-national essence and religion ...

    And now it’s not only a matter of father’s politics ... The thing is whether the people of Belarus will give people a chance to walk around, who make up a fraction of the whole population ... And the fact that Russia again, in reproach to itself, will lose a friend and associate, and a good neighbor ...

    PS There was still not enough side by side with a new scammer ...
  • gendir.grifon
    gendir.grifon 23 December 2015 20: 25
    +6
    Russia or "historical" Russia, as it is now politically correctly called, must be united, that is, Russia must include the former Ukraine, former Belarus, northern Kazakhstan as regions or districts. And the country must be unitary, the presence of national republics in the Russian Federation (states according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation) is a time bomb, and possibly a "fast" mine. All other "states" that were formerly part of the USSR must be firmly in the sphere of influence of Russia.
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 23 December 2015 20: 56
      +8
      Quote: gendir.grifon
      And the country must be unitary, the presence of national republics (states according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation) in the Russian Federation is a time bomb, and possibly a "fast" mine

      What you propose is the real bomb, the Russian Empire, the USSR, the Russian Federation have always been federal. Take the same Ukraine, say these sheep zapadentsev leave the south-east of Ukraine the Russian language and the right to self-government, and zapadentsev that, And still not dead Ukraine and the friendship trains began to send east with the militants, and then Odessa Khatyn, the result, Crimea fled home to Russia, in the Donbass war and not the fact that Ukraine will retain the remnants that it has left. And in Russia. When the federal agreement with Tatarstan they signed a salute in Moscow in 1992 as on Victory Day. And the 1st and 2nd Chechen wars, so Russia has always been federal. If you want to destroy Russia make it unitary. Sorry if I offended you with your remarks. Respect hi
      1. Extraneous
        Extraneous 23 December 2015 22: 47
        +2
        vovanpain (3) SU
        , these sheep were told to the zapadents leave the south-east of Ukraine the Russian language and the right to self-government, and the zapadents that


        This is a common misconception. Let's start with the fact that everyone who is now in power in the Outskirts has their own fairly large business. And this requires quite good organizational skills and the ability to calculate the consequences of their actions. Then they will immediately start shouting that they have "stolen" and "robbed", like - you don't need a lot of intelligence. So you also need to be able to steal! Having stolen, you need to be able not to squander the stolen, but to make money work and make a profit.
        This is about the "rams".

        The Okraina project was originally conceived as a place for a future war in which Russia should be drawn. Poroshenko and others like him - PERFORMERS. They had the task of bringing the state of the people to a social explosion and the emergence of conditions for a civil war. For this, everything was done that was required. They did the job. War in stock. Russia has not yet been drawn in. But every effort is being made to this. In the Donbass, active actions are about to begin again.
        So the "Westerners" are not nearly as stupid as we would like. Their job is to play dumb. Well, Putin has been posing as a liberal for a long time. But he did his job.

        Belarus, in my opinion, is waiting for the same thing. And no Lukashenko’s efforts to sit still will save Belarus from subsequent cataclysms.

        The struggle for the next redivision of the world is entering a "hot" phase and no country can sit out quietly.
    2. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 23 December 2015 22: 35
      0
      Northern Kazakhstan, with what fright did Russia become?
  • Mahal Makhalych
    Mahal Makhalych 23 December 2015 20: 28
    +8
    Partially true, but basically another stuffing that would drive a wedge between the peoples of two fraternal countries. Not everything is so scary. And yes, Belarusians need to pay more attention.
    There are morons-zapadentsy, but not much praise God.
    Old Man has recently been behaving not quite beautifully towards Russia, but politics is the dirtiest thing in the world. I do not condone it, for example, it’s embarrassing for the Russians both for kissing with a pig and for silence in the Turks.
  • ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 23 December 2015 20: 29
    +1
    It is difficult not to know the problem from the inside to draw any conclusions. But I did not like the statement, it is clear that because of the sluggishness of our policy in Ukraine, blood is pouring there. I think most people are tired of feeling guilty about someone's stupidity. Always guilty of everything. No, in nothing and before no one
  • VOROBEICHIK
    VOROBEICHIK 23 December 2015 20: 35
    +3
    Quote: KP8789
    Some kind of nonsense. It surprises the placement of a clearly provocative article on VO.
    Military Review is gradually turning yellow, which is a pity.

    That's right. Personally, I have friends and Russians and Russians, it is a pity that all the Jewish friends left for a long time, and we had a great time together, and we spend it. My opinion is that Belarusians are patient people, and if it breaks out in Belarus, it is only for economic reasons - rising unemployment, moronic tax (s), low wages.
    1. Arkon
      Arkon 23 December 2015 22: 29
      +3
      Quote: VOROBEICHIK
      and if Belarus breaks out, then only for economic reasons - rising unemployment, moronic tax (s), low wages.


      Oh yo ... crying
      This "European-correct" music will be eternal ...

      Well, just for yourself, think. Find at least one example of "blazing" over "economic problems". Well, at least one!
      In India, weavers have died and have not rebelled in millions. In Ireland in the 19th century also hundreds of thousands of starvation died - and nothing. What taxes ?? !! What are you talking about ?!

      Any rebellion is always ideology. Is always. Dot.
  • Eastern wind
    Eastern wind 23 December 2015 20: 36
    +2
    He agrees with the author of the material, as he himself wrote this spring about how much the internal moods of Belarus are changing. Began sly the replacement of St. George ribbons on the Belarusian color! Then the comments were full of provocation accusations ...
    1. ruskih
      ruskih 23 December 2015 20: 54
      +3
      Yes, calm down, there are still St. George ribbons on the machines.
      1. james
        james 23 December 2015 21: 19
        0
        ribbons that is, but officially refused them.
        1. ruskih
          ruskih 23 December 2015 21: 39
          +4
          Because this "color" appeared much earlier than the St. George ribbon was widely used in Russia. Well, patriotic education was torn apart, trampled and buried in the late 90s. Thank God, you've come to your senses, trying to piece together. Better late than never, of course. We, like some, do not invent new names for the old holidays, but I watch you all in search. And by the way, what color is on your November 7 calendar, patriots? And all these years we have been Red!
      2. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 23 December 2015 22: 23
        -1
        Quote: ruskih
        Yes, calm down, there are still St. George ribbons on the machines.

        I agree, Elena. And no one demands to remove them. Which saddens all sorts of "all-fighters" and other fans to look for a black cat where it is not lol hi
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 23 December 2015 20: 41
    +1
    Maidan in Dill did not flare up immediately. And Yanukovych pulled the "cat by the tail" for so long that he gave time and the opportunity to knock himself off. And then I had to organize a provocation with sniper fire. Old Man, while he is alive, will not allow this for anything. But who will be after - that's the question. While there - quiet, already boring. I have many acquaintances - Belarusians. Everything is fine there.
  • By001261
    By001261 23 December 2015 20: 46
    +3
    And at the expense of the monuments, I can say that this year a monument was erected and opened in Mogilev to General M.T. Romanov. just before May 9th. Do you know about this?
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 23 December 2015 21: 04
      +3
      The author should not mention this, because it will contradict the topic and message of the article. And this once again proves that there is a usual substitution of concepts and an attempt to stir up the water !!! Therefore, words are heard about some prohibitions on the installation of monuments and other billiards. Therefore, one should really be suspicious of such articles, and before drawing conclusions, the truth is written or not, to analyze the material with confirmations or refutations of the material from various other sources.
      What are we in the comments and try to do drinks
  • VOROBEICHIK
    VOROBEICHIK 23 December 2015 20: 53
    -2
    Quote: Anatole Klim
    Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
    Old Man with the people and this is important! It can be twisted as much as possible .. For that I respect him!

    And I do not respect:
    - he never supported Russia in difficult times, did not recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia;
    -called in Kiev to fight for the Crimea, which means to kill Russian soldiers;
    - I didn’t send a single humcon convoy to the Donbass, where old people, women and children die from hunger and lack of medicines, claiming that there is no Russian world;
    - Framed Putin with the air base, when Putin instructed the Russian government to sign an agreement on the creation of the air base, said that he knew nothing about it;
    -does not stop smuggling, giving the West the opportunity to circumvent retaliatory Russian sanctions, undermining the effect of retaliatory countermeasures, and not fulfilling allied obligations;
    - Again he was silent when the SU-24 was shot down.
    To save power, I’m ready to do anything, moral standards, allied commitments, promises and decency are not about him, the main thing is to get out ...

    Let me remind you that on September 18 of this year, a meeting between V.V. Putin and A.G. Lukashenko took place in the city of Sochi. As a result of the meeting, it became clear that A. G. Lukashenko received a blessing from V. V. Putin for the next term.
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 23 December 2015 21: 08
      +2
      Quote: VOROBEICHIK
      A. G. Lukashenko received a blessing from V.V. Putin for the next term.

      One of the two of them told you this, Dmitry Peskov did not voice such details.
  • brisk
    brisk 23 December 2015 20: 57
    +6
    The author of an article from the creative class. From the "Orthodox creative class", so to speak. What does he divide the Belarusians into Western Belarusians, into Eastern Belarusians? What is he looking for Orthodox, Catholics in Belarus? Is this the 21st century or the 17th century? Is this the time of Taras Bulba, when these questions were vital: what kind of CHRISTIAN are you - Orthodox or Catholic? And even then they were far-fetched questions by people who understood very little of what the true Christian FAITH, and not religion, is. He is a Christian and a Christian in Africa, if he really is a CHRISTIAN, and not a chameleon from the Christian faith. As already got enough of this stupid division of these absurd creatives. Even 30 years ago they gradually began with such quirks --- "faith ... origins ... Orthodoxy ... Catholicism ..." Belarusians live in Belarus. Whether in Grodno, even in Gomel, even in Brest, even in Mogilev ... They are all Belarusians there. They will remain Belarusians in the Republic of South Africa. What the hell does it matter if some zhmenka of the inhabitants considers themselves to be believing CHRISTIANS? And at the same time, someone will go to the Christian Catholic Church, and someone to the Christian Orthodox Church. No difference. If they are really from their faith will be Christians. And in general --- both in Russia and in Belarus, the church and religion are separated from the state. You can be Orthodox, Catholic, Uniate. And you can also be a Hare Krishna - is that worse than being a Christian? This is a matter of freedom of conscience, not of the state. cases. In tsarist Russia, no attention was paid to this at all, and freedom of conscience and religion was real. And then Russia was more Orthodox than it is now. And as one of the results of such a policy, the Germans were not evicted from the Volga region in 1914, in contrast to 1941. And the Tads were evicted without further ado. This is all from the same sandbox --- western-eastern, Catholic-Orthodoxy ... Only something is not heard that in the First World War, the Germans of Russia went to imperial Germany and changed their country of birth and residence. Russia, that is.
  • DPN
    DPN 23 December 2015 21: 07
    0
    After the collapse of the country, peoples began to live worse. There used to be ideas and their embodiment, the building of communism and justice, now they turned to God and capitalism and gave the idea of ​​money above all else. Some Russians also fled under the cover of NATO by buying real estate in the west, and what is worse for Belarus.
  • james
    james 23 December 2015 21: 16
    +1
    Read the forums on the main white Russian website www.tut.by on the topics of Ukraine, Syria, the downed Su-24, the downed Boeing and you will understand that not everything is so simple and Russophobia at the suggestion of "friends" is gaining momentum, especially among those who do not remember or because of his youth he did not find the USSR.
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 23 December 2015 21: 29
      +4
      In order for you to know, "here.by" is a private informative site, and in order to be able to be such in the vastness of the country, it must comply with the rules of the game and those conditions of existence established by the state. BUT! The site is owned by a US citizen and is privately sponsored. And therefore, in fact, it is oppositional, but mixed with the presentation of the main state news for cover. Therefore, articles can be submitted under such a sauce (who pays, he dances).
      Personally, I draw the basic information from Russian sites, and that’s so, for comparison and analytics. I just know what this is. Buy in politics. And in the comments to the articles on the site, the attitude towards ordinary visitors in comparison with outright scumbags is felt. One can and should banish the power, the other can not say anything bad about America or Europe. Feel on your own skin lol
      Therefore, it’s impossible to consider him an official representative of the authorities. And it refers to what is written there at the expense of politics with great suspicion hi
  • Lex.
    Lex. 23 December 2015 21: 27
    +1
    Now, in school and university textbooks, chapters devoted to the Grand Duchy of Lithuania are growing, like by leaps and bounds. The territory of present Belarus was part of it from the XNUMXth to the XNUMXth century. And the farther, the more Belarusian historians say what grace it was

    so should Belarusians abandon their history?
  • Lex.
    Lex. 23 December 2015 21: 27
    +1
    Now, in school and university textbooks, chapters devoted to the Grand Duchy of Lithuania are growing, like by leaps and bounds. The territory of present Belarus was part of it from the XNUMXth to the XNUMXth century. And the farther, the more Belarusian historians say what grace it was

    so should Belarusians abandon their history?
  • agaudi
    agaudi 23 December 2015 21: 29
    +3
    If the "war of monuments" touches upon Vitebsk, then I would like to note that the installation of a monument to Alexander Nevsky in this city has been agreed, it has already been cast, and next year it will be installed in the historical center of the city. So article a minus from me
  • Comrade Zapirdulin
    Comrade Zapirdulin 23 December 2015 21: 33
    0
    Quote: veksha50
    Quote: herruvim
    Lukashenko is not the whole Belarusian people, let him release T-shirts with his image and then everyone will see his true rating



    But a good, simple, cheap and more reliable method to find out the rating than any polls ...

    the method is undeniably cheap and simple, but not reliable enough, the cheaper the T-shirt - the higher the trust and love ... of the population?
  • pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 23 December 2015 21: 46
    +3
    And after all, I read something interesting on the site today. To Kazakhstan, from where many Russian-speaking emigrated to Russia, they delivered the S-300 complexes for free, while the analogous ones were delivered to Bulbash for money. At the same time, there are practically no useful expensive natural resources in Belarus, unlike Kazakhstan.
    Well, as for the history of White Russia. so it was not only part of the Russian Empire, but also in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.
    The Grand Duchy of Lithuania is an Eastern European state that existed from the middle of the XIII century to 1795 in the territory of modern Belarus and Lithuania, as well as partially in Ukraine, Russia, Latvia, Poland, Estonia and Moldova.
    Since 1385, it was in personal union with the Kingdom of Poland, and since 1569, in the Sejm of Lublin Union as part of the Federal Commonwealth. In the XV-XVI centuries, the Grand Duchy of Lithuania was a rival to the Grand Duchy of Moscow in the struggle for dominance on Russian lands. It was eliminated by the Constitution on May 3, 1791. It finally ceased to exist after the third division of the Commonwealth in 1795. By 1815, the entire territory of the former principality became part of the Russian Empire.
    If you follow the author, then Belarusians should destroy the Nesvizh and Mir castles to the ground.
    1. robbihood
      robbihood 23 December 2015 21: 58
      +1
      I agree, fellow countryman. In the Russian Federation they forget, or rather, they do not want to come to terms with the fact that we are not an autonomous Belarusian republic of the Russian Federation, but an independent state - the Republic of Belarus. And line up at the command "Attention!" from the Kremlin, nobody is going here. We have a single economic space with you, and this does not mean marching behind Putin in any political cataclysms - Georgia, Crimea, Donbass, Syria, Turkey. Even in NATO, not all countries of this alliance are getting into American trouble. We have one vector - FRIENDSHIP with neighbors - Russia, the Baltic states, Poland, Ukraine. And a mutually beneficial relationship. We are a very calm, friendly people. If they treat us the same.
      1. brisk
        brisk 23 December 2015 22: 15
        -2
        Quote: robbihood
        that we are not an autonomous Belarusian Republic of the Russian Federation, but an independent state - the Republic of Belarus


        But autonomy and autonomy are different. In the same United States can just take the federal from Washington and directly redistribute the finances and assets of its states? Take from some and give to others? Hardly. And even in the USSR there were some frictions between the BSSR and the union capital of Moscow? Rumor has it that Masherov in 1980 not just flew under a truck. He was deeply disliked for something in Moscow. One can only guess why he became unloved in Moscow. Societies today are probably still not fully ripe, not ready.
      2. ASK505
        ASK505 24 December 2015 08: 59
        +1
        You are our independent. My hut is on the edge. You still did not understand that historically you are part of Russian civilization or the Russian World. The West suffers you and promises cookies as long as Russia is strong. And who needs you in the West with our family ties and your products?
      3. Arkon
        Arkon 24 December 2015 10: 12
        +1
        Quote: robbihood
        and this does not mean marching behind Putin into any political cataclysms - Georgia, Crimea, Donbass, Syria, Turkey.


        Very revealing comment. Well, that is, if your brother beat the punks in the gateway tomorrow, then you need to quickly go to the punks to agree that you haven't been beaten yet, and let the brother get out himself, because you have one thing in common - only your father’s apartment as a legacy for two.
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      5. alexej123
        alexej123 24 December 2015 10: 40
        +3
        In, the normal definition is NEIGHBORS. Only then the question is, why, when your leader immediately remembers the "brothers"?
      6. combat66
        combat66 24 December 2015 11: 21
        0
        In some ways you are right, but it seems to me one-sided. Look, what a trifle for the states of the throat tears, Europe is strangling with sanctions, Canada fits in where it is necessary and where it is not necessary, Australia "inserts three kopecks. These are allies and it does not matter whether they are bought or not. but about the case - multi-vector. winked
        1. alexej123
          alexej123 25 December 2015 07: 58
          0
          I agree with you. I already wrote - everyone is shouting "Russia did nothing, did not invest money, etc." My question is, why should Russia repeat the mistakes of the USSR and the USA? Why should we give someone just for a good attitude? Buy? After all, then there will be three options - over time, they will demand to give further: 1. Give, 2. Persuade, 3. Break through the knee, which is now doing the US with vassals. For multi-vector - well, I don’t know, in my opinion, in Russia, a distinct foreign policy has appeared in the last 10 years.
    2. Arkon
      Arkon 24 December 2015 10: 14
      +2
      That's what I'm writing about. That "Lithuanianism" is being introduced as "the ideology of a historically literate population."
      Do you really think that people here did not study at school?
  • 31rus
    31rus 23 December 2015 21: 47
    +1
    Dear, once again, do not believe in what is written, turn on your brains, what the author presents in any country, and in Russia in any area, you can adjust this article, I agree with only one thing. Russia is simply obliged to influence the "fate" of border states, in this and the foresight of politics lies, and not in the creation of negotiations such as "Minsk", "Vienna"
  • VOROBEICHIK
    VOROBEICHIK 23 December 2015 21: 50
    -1
    One of the two of them told you this, Dmitry Peskov did not voice such details. [/ Quote]
    Sorry, I didn’t come out with a rank, so that I could learn it from the first lips. And, judging by your comments, you superficially know what is happening in the Republic of Belarus. PS Do not look at my flag, lately, for some reason (?), It has changed twice.
  • drroc
    drroc 23 December 2015 21: 57
    +8
    Hello. I decided to register and insert my five cents. The article is scary, but in my opinion, it does not correspond to reality, although there are a few things to be afraid of and conclusions to be drawn. I myself am from the city of Zhodino, Minsk region. I work at the bank and at work, among other things, there are talks about both the Donbass and Syria. Most, of course, are for Russia, including myself, as born in the USSR. But if you read on TUT.by any article related to Russia, you are horrified how many opponents of the alliance with Russia. It scares. What I think about this myself. Belarusians themselves are greedy people, let the opponents of this statement forgive me, if I'm wrong. But I have reason to think so, because I have already lived. This is to the fact that recently among my acquaintances you sometimes hear this: Something (Belarus) attracts us all to those (Russia) who are poorer. This is one of the popular sayings you hear. Those. everyone still believes that in Europe the prices are lower and people live better and all that. In a word, everyone wants to live at least as in Poland or Lithuania. Russians, get rich quicker, make prices low and bulbashs and even Ukrainians will reach you, they are also no less greedy than we are.
    At work there is a DVD disc "Nesvizh Castle" presented by someone; this is a film about the castle, about the Radziwills, about the gentry, that is. about the enemies of Russia, in short. The disc has been lying around for five years in a package in a nightstand, to whom I will neither propose, nor who does not want to take it and see it for free. Young people, especially those in the capital, sleep and see themselves in gayrope, so fears about the future with Russia are not unfounded.
    Someone above wrote about how he cried after watching the movie "Come and See". And I remember this film in my own way. During his service in 1988-1990 in the division. Derzhinsky in Reutov, our company went to the cinema for this film, I stayed in my dress. After the film, I caught the eye of a lump. a company named Zagrebin, by the way, was a crest and heard about himself, about Belarus, about Belarusians a lot of unpleasant words, there were also Russians among the critics. About the film this is me, just not nice and not forgettable.
    1. robbihood
      robbihood 23 December 2015 22: 07
      +1
      Strange you, respectable, Belarusian. No one, among those whom I know, will call the fellow countrymen in the media Bulbashs. Yes, and everyone is already used to calling their country - Belarus. I think you became a Belarusian after the army, but you never tried to love her.
    2. pilot bin-bom
      pilot bin-bom 23 December 2015 22: 39
      -3
      At work lying around someone presented the DVD "Nesvizh Castle", this is a film about the castle, about all Radziwils, about the gentry, ie. about the enemies of Russia, in short.

      So about Belarus can only say one to whom it is alien to the original. We would go and see the historical pearls of Nesvizh and Mir castles. And if after that - enemies around - then a suitcase, train station, Russia - you will not be forcibly sweet.
      1. pilot bin-bom
        pilot bin-bom 23 December 2015 23: 49
        0
        Hey minus one - how can you blame something that you haven’t seen in your eyes?
        1. Kostya Andreev
          Kostya Andreev 24 December 2015 07: 05
          +3
          Quote: Pilot bin-bom
          And if after that - enemies around - then a suitcase, train station, Russia - you will not be forcibly sweet.

          They told me like that, too. And in reply to you, a suitcase station and Poland, hello pan Bzdyshek.
        2. combat66
          combat66 24 December 2015 11: 29
          +1
          I Minus and the lock is not just in the pictures, but every month I touch it with my hands. A minus for the "suitcases"!
          I have the right.
      2. Michael_59
        Michael_59 24 December 2015 05: 20
        +2
        Quote: Pilot bin-bom
        then a suitcase, train station, Russia -


        Suitcase - Station - Britain
    3. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 24 December 2015 12: 53
      +1
      Quote: drroc
      Belarusians are greedy people

      Domovy, domovy people.
      So still Kuzya the house-maker used to say, though not about balarus, but he was still right.
  • Comrade Zapirdulin
    Comrade Zapirdulin 23 December 2015 22: 00
    0
    Quote: dmi.pris
    Nothing good can be expected with our leadership (too kind-hearted, even when they wipe their feet on Russia .. They will give a loan, then the scammers and political twists and turns. Moreover, Lukashenko is trying to please both yours and ours (by the way, quite successfully). it is possible only under definitely harsh conditions (although Putin has no effective levers left) .. There remains only a chatter on TV.
    Quote: The same Lech
    What are the specific recipes to avoid the Ukrainian scenario?

    Our leadership, as usual ... remember we had one minister with the letter Ze surname, well, the one that blown up the pensioners, or something wrong with this happened to him, but they considered that he would be more useful as an ambassador at the nezalezhnoy, he had there and business and communications, everything was bought - this is according to the words of our then prince and what did we get from that? yes once again we were fucked. It is necessary to work with the population, especially young people, and not just throw money off the "father". Let every resident of Belarus know - how did the Russian people help, and not the "daddy" cunning dodger from another stash benefited, where are our political strategists? Are they preparing for the elections? here the author of the article about the Russian bear was interested in what this bear will suck? so with such approaches of our leadership to this pressing problem, the answer is very obvious and predictable - that bear will even suck ... not a paw
  • North
    North 23 December 2015 22: 12
    +1
    Dulles Plan
  • Tjeck
    Tjeck 23 December 2015 22: 15
    -2
    Another nonsense, I sincerely wish Russia all the governors of the Old Man type. Every time I come to my hometown of Vitebsk, the first days I usually don’t recognize anything, they rebuilt completely. And don’t start gundos saying that why you don’t work in Belarus since everything is so good there, the reasons are simple ..

    1. Too lazy to pass a qualification exam and it’s not a fact that I’ll pass because I passed the Swedish standards.

    2. I see no reason to change the work to an identical one where they will pay me ~ 6 times less. But let me remind you that even at the beginning of zero, the teacher's salary was 50-70 green candy wrappers, and now 300-500 depending on the region.
    1. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 24 December 2015 07: 07
      0
      Household dad keeps on the sales market in Russia, and cheap energy.
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 23 December 2015 22: 21
    +5
    Judging by the comments of Belarusians, I really didn’t understand a damn thing, some for, others against. Looks like the article is relevant. In Khokhlostan, everyone ignored the same shoots of deil.ilism, but what happened.
    1. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 24 December 2015 12: 58
      -1
      Article - FAKE.
      But still yes - relevant
      because the article itself says in the Vitebsk region you need a second donbas
      the truth is not said when
      but I will tell you, after leaving Syriyanash
  • shurup
    shurup 23 December 2015 22: 26
    +2
    The search for enemies among neighbors is part of the Russian mentality, but is absent from the Belarusian one. The found "enemy" should be taught a lesson so that he does not think. I advise the author to calm down - Belarus is not going to attack Russia and take away minerals from it. On the other hand, the Belarusians are vindictive and if they are attacked, then a response, sooner or later, is inevitable. Let the author pass this on to those who ordered the article.
    PS The "enemies" at the present time are not the gangs of princely warriors or Teutonic knights, but respectable businessmen in good suits.
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  • pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 23 December 2015 22: 34
    -2
    But what is interesting. In military terms, the Belarusians may somewhere on Russia and count, but recently they have been actively developing the production of their own and quite serious weapons, starting from anti-tank complexes (including those on tracked vehicles) and mobile short-range anti-aircraft systems (the "Tetaidr" company ) and ending with the Polonez rocket launcher system and the development of the Aist cruise missile, however, they also do not forget about the non-pilots (both production and training of operators). Probably a number of weapons systems are easier to make your own than waiting for mercy from the Russians.
    1. pilot bin-bom
      pilot bin-bom 23 December 2015 23: 47
      -3
      Hey minus one - disprove if not right. all of the above weapons systems in Belarus are!
      1. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 24 December 2015 07: 16
        +3
        I didn’t set a minus, I can say one thing. I am glad that such a small country, with a population smaller than Moscow, and can produce such a variety of weapons. Where did the money come from for research, testing, and production.
        The main thing is to do the components themselves, electronic stuffing, etc., etc. This is cool.
        The ears of your military-industrial complex from Russia are growing !!!
      2. combat66
        combat66 24 December 2015 11: 44
        +2
        There is! In prototypes. And the troops, this is not an exhibition of VDNH. fellow
  • Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 23 December 2015 22: 38
    +2
    That talked with Belarus on the VO, you can read. I repeat, these are his answers to my questions !!!

    Ajjh BY December 16, 2015 03:59
    Russia has only two friends; this is its army and navy.It's right. only two. but this is not your achievement; it is your shame. have such a culture! to have outstanding people who have changed the world! and not have friends around ... this must be able to. Bravo!
    You will not believe. but in Russia they do not consider the enemies of Europeans and Americansalas and ah. if Ukrainians are enemies, then what then are Germans / French, etc ...
    now such a joke has appeared - "what do you think? How much will the Kremlin need so that 60% of the Russian population believe that the earth is round and stands on 3 turtles?" There is some truth in this ...
    By the way, I ask downtime to all Belarusians why you are against one state common with Russia, with one president, one territory. Ahahahaha !! this "union state" (with a small letter) was created by consumer goods with the aim of taking the throne in Muscovy. nothing more and nothing less. It didn't work out to sit on the throne. the project was closed. there are some kind of body movements, but in many ways they do not go further than TV screens. (by the way, it is also a very indicative fact - the EU is the same age as the CIS. Where is the EU now and where is the CIS (the union state)? It's just too much to consider economic issues, otherwise they will now be bombarded with migrants ...)
    Well and the main thing - and what for? we definitely don’t need it (alas, if we develop the topic, then I am stigmatized here for the third time). By the way, foreigners have visited both here and there, they say that we are different smile. similar only in appearance. In fairness, it should be noted that joining the EU head on for us will also be absurd.
    Ajjh BY December 16, 2015 04:16
    What will you bring us? corruption? the power of the center? those. the Kremlin. hatred for everything that somehow goes against your beliefs? proud of some kind of "escander" when the refrigerator is empty? Or maybe laws that are written openly for their people? where human rights mean ... that is. do not mean anything at all ?? (but it is always welcome to poke your face at gays)? where instead of doing business, running the country, creating production, etc. etc. is it easier to sell natural farms, and then when the prices for raw materials (RAW MATERIALS !!) go down - to unleash a couple of wars and show on all TV how the mother is crying over the grave of the "hero"? Where is everyone to blame! states, Jews, opposition, phases of the moon, people in the end, but not power? Should we join this country? and this is not a complete list
    Spiritual bonds ...
    In Switzerland, one of the most respected and highly paid professions is a teacher! this shows concern for the whole population, for the future. Here's someone to take an example

    This is the point of view present in Belarus. And there are many such individuals, This is sad. In fairness, it must be said that in Russia there are many figures of this kind.
    But I was at a loss from this subject. I wanted to argue, but the time is gone
    The most interesting thing is that the person considers it true that we have empty refrigerators, about production and other nonsense, or he was not in Russia for a long time, or is he not Belarus at all?
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 23 December 2015 22: 44
      +1
      Quote: Kostya Andreev
      But I was at a loss from this subject. I wanted to argue, but the time is gone

      And what is this Belarusian wrong about?
      1. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 24 December 2015 01: 13
        +2
        How is the dispute going to happen? Wangyu: I will answer you, and what is he right about? You tell me my mistakes, give an example, some kind of state, or several, and tell me this is how people live, then you complain about the lack of production, that the government does not think about the people, takes bribes, etc., etc. P . I will give you other examples, in the end we will end up with you an endless and pointless dispute.
        I will not engage in scholasticism. My position is this: a priori, I believe that there are no ideal countries on planet Earth. Everywhere everything is the same, only in different proportions, and with a different degree of stealth.
        And comrade Belarus should know what if you say. then try to give arguments that cannot be refuted. For example, you tell me a Russian. that my refrigerator is empty, I go and check. And so on and so forth.
        But this phrase: that we will join the EU headlong - it will also be absurd. I was killed, a person is sure that Belarus will decide to rush headlong into the EU or take a calm step.
    2. ruskih
      ruskih 23 December 2015 22: 59
      +3
      This is not a Belarusian.
  • tehnokrat
    tehnokrat 23 December 2015 22: 38
    -2
    Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
    Old Man with the people and this is important! It can be twisted as much as possible .. For that I respect him!
    And why did they minus ...? I like to criticize Lukashenka, but in fact he “plays” on the brink of a foul trying to keep the country


    I fully support and plus! including for perseverance in the discussion!
    "Father" is forced to balance between the EU and Russia, this is the geopolitical position.
    We are balancing between the EU and China. "Balancing" does not mean swinging your arms,
    almost breaking down means "keeping balance"; all politics at all times stands on this.
    We absolutely needed independent (from both the EU and us) Ukraine, Belarus, and the Baltic states.
    This buffer is equally needed by us and the EU.
    Only Belarus remained, the rest of the "buffer" was deliberately destroyed by those who us with Europe
    I wanted to push my foreheads. So the independence of the Old Man from us is not terrible - only his dependence is terrible
    from those. But, thank God, he does not look like a manual one. We must cooperate with him honestly, and that’s enough.