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America lost nerves because of Azerbaijan

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The set of US sanctions against Azerbaijan can only be called hysterical: these are not even “sectoral sanctions”, as with Russia, and not “lists”. The bill of the Act on Democracy in Azerbaijan, presented to Congress by the chairman of the US Helsinki Commission, Congressman Smith, provides for:

· A complete entry ban for all of the country's top leadership, including all members of their families - from President Aliyev, the Prime Minister, Deputy Prime Ministers, all ministers, members of the presidential administration, security officials, judges, etc .;
· Complete freezing of all interstate relations, termination of funding for all programs, cancellation of all meetings and summits, congresses - including in the humanitarian fields;
· The US administration also intends to block all projects of Azerbaijan in all international financial and trade institutions: WTO, IMF, World Bank, EBRD, as well as all regional organizations;
· It is assumed that both state assets and private assets will be completely frozen - that is, not only the country itself will be “distributed”, but its business and all citizens will be dismantled. Finance, real estate, production assets, goods shipped - everything is frozen;
· Given the fact that by tradition, following the United States, identical sanctions are always immediately introduced by Canada, Australia and the EU, the tragedy takes on a global scale.

What led America to such unparalleled rabies? It seems that they didn’t impose sanctions on even North Korea and Cuba. The reasons for the "exceptional country", as always, predictable.

Azerbaijan began a noticeable political drift in the direction of Russia, which we have already written about, and provided its airspace for the transfer of air equipment to Syria, refusing the “urgent recommendations” of the United States to “refrain” from this step. Truly, the grudge of Washington and the disproportion of its reactions already give cause for concern about the mental health of its inhabitants: well, do not react in the same way to such situations!

And even before that, Azerbaijan refused the "tempting" US proposal to join the anti-Russian sanctions and "not to do business with it as usual." It is clear that the meaning of the word “sovereignty” in the White House was long forgotten and the state’s right to decide whether to impose sanctions or not, they not only do not recognize, but no longer understand. For them, there is only a small country, which allowed itself disobedience, when it was given a clear order, obligatory for execution.

In addition, Baku has begun to more actively consider the possibility of the country's entry into the EEU, which for Washington already sounds like an almost undisguised revolt against the system. After all, Obama said that he “isolated Russia”, and Azerbaijan replied that he was considering joining the Russian integration project.

A year ago, the overt rage of the States caused the decision of the "Caspian Five", which, according to the results of the summit in Astrakhan, decided not to allow any military vessels to the waters of the Caspian Sea, except the ships of the "Five" itself. The creation of such an oasis of security in the region, to the shaking of which the US is making such consistent and significant efforts, caused real fury in Washington, and for Russia it became one of the largest diplomatic victories.

At the same time, two years ago, Azerbaijan abandoned the “honorable” role of kamikazes on the altar of democracy, which, like today's Ukraine, was supposed to burn magnificently, colorfully and worthlessly, creating a “belt of instability” around Russia. The fact that in Baku already after Georgia they were too well aware of what the regimes that exist on the principle of “live bright and die young” end up - this, of course, did not interest the United States. They were at all immensely surprised that the local elites show some concern about the fate of the country, and not only about their personal political and financial well-being. America, with its main deity, business, simply does not understand how other countries besides it can have interests and desire for themselves prospects. They imagine everything very simply: the official “sets fire to” the country - the States then generously reward the official who disciplinedly executed orders from Washington and betrayed his country.

But worst of all is Karabakh. Aliyev flatly refused to quarrel and fight with Sargsyan! After their recent talks, successful de-escalation continued in the region, which the States so diligently pumped the last 3 of the year on both sides. But both sides ended up choosing a “lean world.” And it overwhelmed Washington's patience.

The last straw was Aliyev’s recent visit to Beijing, where, among other intergovernmental agreements, the most important Memorandum of Understanding on the joint promotion of the creation of the Silk Road Economic Belt was signed. Not even a week had passed since the day when thunder broke out from Washington and the rumble of the supreme wrath of the “leader of the free world” was heard. Washington's fury is quite understandable: the Silk Road Economic Belt project will potentially become the most important transit artery between Asia and Europe, and Azerbaijan is one of the key places in this project, which will undoubtedly strengthen China’s influence in the region.

So far, Baku is trying to maintain cautious optimism about the situation. Assistant to the President on socio-political issues Ali Hasanov said. "Azerbaijan in such matters takes as its basis not the approach of individual pro-Armenian politicians, but the official position of the partner countries, and on this basis builds its policy."

But at the same time notes: “No one should doubt that if the US officially supports this biased project by adopting the“ game ”of pro-Armenian forces, then, naturally, the Azerbaijani authorities will demonstrate the necessary response in this case.”

The fate of the bill in Congress is estimated differently, but the most optimistic is the forecast that it will be adopted in a modified form. The very fact that Washington is determined to revenge Azerbaijan is, alas, no one denies. Probably, this situation will create certain opportunities for Russia to strengthen relations: the United States, by its actions, is simply pushing Azerbaijan into our arms.
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  2. gop
    gop 23 December 2015 12: 11 New
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    blew up the flag of his republic
    1. Vend
      Vend 23 December 2015 12: 15 New
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      Democracy in action laughing
      1. alexng
        alexng 23 December 2015 12: 19 New
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        Riddle: Quietly, with a slate rustling, the roof goes slowly. Answer: Duc - this is the US sloppy monkey.
        1. Rostov Papa
          Rostov Papa 23 December 2015 12: 51 New
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          I have a feeling that the states have long forgotten what diplomacy is ... They probably have it in the past ... Their diplomacy today is the diplomacy of an elephant in a china shop and the complete disregard for the opinions of other countries .. They have already declared the whole planet as their crockery bench. Unfortunately, such behavior can end very badly (tfutfutfu), including for us.
          1. _Vladislav_
            _Vladislav_ 23 December 2015 12: 57 New
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            Quote: Gop
            blew up the flag of his republic

            If you joked - then unsuccessfully, agree.
            1. Koshak
              Koshak 23 December 2015 15: 57 New
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              Quote: _Vladislav_
              Quote: Gop
              blew up the flag of his republic

              If you joked - then unsuccessfully, agree.

              Yes, he jumped out of the censor, farted and long ago faded back. In a hurry, he didn’t even fix the error.
          2. Dilshat
            Dilshat 23 December 2015 13: 14 New
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            He won’t collect military scientists around the world! It would not hurt to create a diplomacy university similar to MGIMO.
          3. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 23 December 2015 13: 23 New
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            They have already declared the whole planet their utensil shop.
            Considering that they are trying to dictate something in the near-earth space, they poked a flag at the surface of the Moon and there they are trying to sell "earth" areas, not only the planet.
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            2. efimich41
              efimich41 23 December 2015 17: 52 New
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              Considering that they are trying to dictate something in the near-earth space, they poked a flag at the surface of the Moon and there they are trying to sell "earth" areas, not only the planet.

              But were they on the moon? This is a myth created in Hollywood.
          4. Now we are free
            Now we are free 23 December 2015 13: 43 New
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            Quote: Gop
            blew up the flag of his republic

            Stupidity was written by Nikolai, if not an abomination ... Especially when you consider what the article is written about, your comment looks like a miserable provocation against the country and its leader who, unlike Georgia and Ukraine, did not want to be rams on the slaughter.
            Aliyev wants to say - Thank you. I can imagine what a powerful pressure he felt from the "Empire of Good" and sang along with it, especially now in connection with the tense relations between the Russian Federation and Turkey, this pressure on Aliyev has increased tenfold. The United States now, like air, needs to create a conflict on the borders of the Russian Federation:
            1 Ukraine
            2. Turkey
            2,1. Turkey + Azerbaijan / Karabakh
            3. Tajikistan (the invasion of several tens of thousands of ISIS / Taliban).

            Aliyev did not want to be neither Saakashvili nor Yanukovych nor Parashevaltsman. Ilham needs help at this moment and I hope our leaders understand this. The President of Azerbaijan (if the Russian Federation does not help) can simply be broken by the pro-Western part of the "Elite" of the country and simply paid "Talking Heads" who, in the event of the "Azerbaijani Maidan", will sit on a plane and fly away to lecture at some university in Philadelphia (Hi Saakashvili). The road is a spoon for dinner, as they say, all the more since Azerbaijan is going to dine at our table and not at the "Civilized" Western ...

            Special thanks to the analysts of the Russian Federation who have access to the Helmsmen of the country for not letting the United States ignite the "Karabakh / Azerbaijan fire" and reacted to the pre-emption by establishing contact with Aliyev.
            1. Naum
              Naum 23 December 2015 16: 44 New
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              Yes, this is an act! Respect to Aliyev. The son is worthy of a wise father! But they will try to put the squeeze on him, not without the help of "fraternal" Turkey. It will be difficult to hold the position. All Europa fell under the striped, and there are other potentials of economies. Azerbaijan, as a state, can survive only in an alliance with Russia, despite all the apparent contradictions.
              1. Astrey
                Astrey 23 December 2015 18: 37 New
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                Quote: Naum
                Respect Aliyev


                However, the eagle Aliev! It is necessary to have immeasurably hard eggs to deny the "exclusive country" in such important things for it.

                Aliyev changed my mind about the Azeibardzhan. Not expected...
                1. Private Starley
                  Private Starley 24 December 2015 14: 28 New
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                  Therefore, it is necessary to support I. Aliyev ...
              2. Butchcassidy
                Butchcassidy 24 December 2015 09: 43 New
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                So I beg you. Aliev Jr. Heydar Aliyev is far away. He was a rare villain, but he was a KGB general and according to rumors (given the Kurdish origin of the Aliyevs) he oversaw the creation of the PKK (Kurdistan Workers' Party).

                Politically, Aliyev was able to maneuver perfectly - he never sided with Russia or the collective West, trying to maintain neutrality.

                But his son is far from his father’s talents - and it is not surprising, because his youth in Turkish casinos has passed.

                And what is happening now is simply a consequence of Aliyev’s unreasonable policy, primarily domestic. Instead of spending billions of dollars on Russian and Israeli weapons, all kinds of Eurovision, etc., it would be worth developing the economy, reducing the importance of the oil and gas sector.

                And now - the oil price crisis, terrible unemployment (I think that everyone saw the merchants from Az.R. in their city - people do not come to Russia from a good life), unresolved national problems (leaving the Armenian factor out of the picture, the Aliyevs began to smash the Lezghins, Talyshes and other indigenous peoples), the serious Islamic radicalization of the population - and in a non-traditional for the mainly Shiite population - Wahhabi and Salafi side, unresolved social problems that were explained by the machinations of Armenians and the escalation of revenge-seeking sentiments wearing Karabakh, etc.

                All of this combined gave rise to the crisis in which Az.R.

                In addition, I note that the Wahhabi and Salafi radicalization of the population is a natural consequence of the support of terrorism, which is traditional for the Aliyev clan. Actually it was Heydar Aliyev who made international terrorismby inviting and paying Afghan Mujahideen for the war against Armenians in Karabakh. I'm not talking about the fact that militants from the North Caucasus rested and were treated not only in Turkey, but also in Az.R., and a fax with the order to blow up the American embassy in 1996 in Nairobi was sent from Baku. Az.R. - The same logistics and recreation center for world terrorism as Turkey.

                And now the situation is critical: on the border with Karabakh, the Armenians are conducting active operations to destroy the bases and fortifications of the Armed Forces of Az.R., hinting that they can start a preventive war, given the fact that the Armed Forces of Az.R. used against the bordering Armenian villages, Turkish small-caliber MLRS and even tanks.

                Against the backdrop of all this, Russia’s actions in Syria have unveiled the curtain of the return of militants from Az.R. who are fighting in the ranks of the Islamic State (ISIS, Daesh, etc.) home, which could be the last straw in an already explosive situation.

                Therefore, he cannot confront at least some kind of relationship with Russia, and Aliyev cannot afford to return the militants with the experience that Russia is now destroying in Syria. That's all.
                1. user
                  user 24 December 2015 14: 14 New
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                  it was Heydar Aliyev who made international terrorism


                  You darling in the morning are not sober?
                  For your information, "international terrorism", in the sense of how it is interpreted in all international documents, existed even under the Russian Empire, when Aliyev's ancestors grazed sheep, because there was no national statehood on the territory of present-day Azerbaijan. Yes, they were included in all kinds of state formations, but there was no national statehood, but the so-called "international terrorism" was. Moreover, it was based on the actions of "Enlightened Europe".
                  1. Butchcassidy
                    Butchcassidy 25 December 2015 08: 54 New
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                    You, dear man, have to keep an eye on your bazaar, and you cannot measure the rest of your life hard in the morning.

                    And if, in essence, I don’t know what international terrorism you are talking about, I meant international Islamic terrorism or Islamist terrorism, so it will probably be more correct.

                    And about the fact that there was no Azerbaijan until 1918, while ADR was created with the bayonets of the Turkish General Nuri Pasha, I am aware. As well as about how and why such a name was chosen for this region, despite the fact that Azerbaijan or Atropatena or Aturpatakan was and is in Iran, I can also tell, but this is not the topic of this discussion.
                    1. Bakht
                      Bakht 25 December 2015 09: 49 New
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                      Apparently not hangover. I must say that Armenia was not on the map either. And Georgia too. And I’ll keep silent about Central Asia. Well, you have arguments ...
                      1. xasharat
                        xasharat 25 December 2015 14: 49 New
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                        Quote: Bakht
                        Armenia was not on the map.


                        Well, they don’t know that, the word ARMAN is a Turkic name. And the word ARMENIA on all ancient maps has next to it the word MINOR and MAJOR. Well, they don’t know Latin and don’t know the translation. And if there was a Haya country (from the word HAYIK - Armenian, so they call themselves) and now if there was a Haya country Armenia, let them prove that there lived a people called hayk ...... and a year .... and if they they want what belonged to them in some year, I ZAAAAAAAA, provided that the whole world will restore.
                      2. Bakht
                        Bakht 25 December 2015 15: 19 New
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                        I meant a little different. But, in principle, your statement is also true.

                        I will try again (I'm afraid not the last) to clarify the details.

                        The state of Armenia did NOT exist on this territory for the past 1500 years. Think about this figure. If we count 4 generations per century, then 60 generations of Armenians did not know statehood. And waving cards from Strabo or Herodotus or Mashtots now is as stupid as the bones of Neanderthals. Modern states have arisen the last 200-300 years. Well, maybe 400 years. Talking about the state continuity of the ancient states is now stupid.

                        Ancient Armenians and modern Armenians are completely different people. Who can put an equal sign between the formidable Normans and modern Danes? Or Arabs 14 centuries ago fought under the walls of Paris. Are the modern Arabs the same?
                        The same goes for states. No one in their right mind in Italy will say that Ancient Rome and modern Italy are one and the same. Or that modern Mongolia claims the land of the Mongol Empire of Genghis Khan.
                        The Second Reich or Germany came into being in 1871 and not earlier. Modern France, England, all these countries can be traced back to the history of formation. But only from the late Middle Ages. Very late. Modern Russia begins in 1380. Modern Azerbaijan since 1918, like Armenia. Just 40 years later than Germany. They poke at me old decayed cards, and when I say that only 100 years ago Yerevan was presented to the Armenians, they answer - "when was it?"
                        The passage about Nuri Pasha is even more ridiculous. If not for Nuri Pasha, then there would be no Azerbaijan? Neither Armenia nor Azerbaijan would have been if a revolution had not occurred in Petrograd. Everything else was natural.

                        Armenians are the same alien people in the South Caucasus as the Turks. Moreover, they came to Karabakh even later than the Turks. They relocated them here. It is a fact that these states now exist. Represented internationally and at the UN. And there are OFFICIALLY recognized borders. So, along these INTERNATIONAL and OFFICIAL borders, the Armed Forces of the state of Armenia are located on the territory of the state of Azerbaijan. And until they leave (at least within the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh) then war is inevitable.
                        This is the logic of events and the right of Azerbaijan to use force. And Azerbaijan has every right to use force on its territory by virtue of International Laws.
                        Doesn't apply? A lot of reasons. Both Russia (it does not need a conflict in the south) and the West (Armenia has always been supported there) hold hands.
                        But the risk of war always remains high. But Azerbaijan is not to blame for this.

                        Oh yes. Already got these ancient Armenians, Ukrainians and others. The plot from Prokopenko on REN TV
                      3. SlavaP
                        SlavaP 25 December 2015 17: 41 New
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                        But what about the fact that Armenia was the first country to adopt Christianity (Merry Christmas to all who believe, by the way!) In the 321 year CE, that is, earlier than Byzantium.?
                      4. Bakht
                        Bakht 25 December 2015 18: 47 New
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                        Twenty five again? What is Armenia? What country? Where was it located? And what about the fact that someone first adopted Christianity? Is this some kind of indicator? For me as an atheist, it's nothing at all. And in India, long before that, there was Buddhism. Or is Buddhism worse than Christianity? Armenia of that time is a small country torn to pieces between Rome and Parthia. A compromise was reached that the Parthian nobleman would be the king of Armenia, but the Roman emperor would lay the crown on him. Bas-relief in Rome. Those who wish can go and see.

                        What strange arguments to hear ...

                        Do you know the story well? Well, at about the same time, the Britons were cutting the Saxons. Or vice versa. Now they are Anglo-Saxons. What does this have to do with MODERNITY? What does ancient Armenia have to do with modern? That they kept the name? And lost the state?

                        I am talking about today. Today’s. And ancient maps and legends do not matter. So you can restore the Ottoman Empire.

                        Engaging ancient history in today's realities is just wasting time. I'm sorry. You can shine with erudition, and point me to some ancient stories and jokes. This does not cancel the fact of aggression. Or do you disagree with the borders of states generally accepted in the UN?
                      5. Butchcassidy
                        Butchcassidy 28 December 2015 09: 34 New
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                        Aggression?))) 150 thousand Armenians of NKAR attacked 9 million Az.R.?))) request
                    2. Bakht
                      Bakht 25 December 2015 18: 56 New
                      +1
                      Can you answer a simple question?
                      Germany of 1913, Germany of 1935 and Germany of 2013 - is it one and the same Germany? The same country? With the same Germans? Within the same boundaries? The Germans of 2015 are no different from the Germans of 1935? And just 100 years old.
                      Do Russians in Moscow in 1914 and Russians in Moscow in 2014 have the same mentality? Just 100 years of difference. Russia's borders have not changed in 100 years?

                      And the myth of the continuity of Armenia has been slipping into me already since the 3rd century. Complete nonsense.

                      In sociology there is a concept: a change of mentality can occur (or may not happen) within 3-4 generations. Remember: 4 generations and you will not recognize Russian or Armenian or Azerbaijani. These are completely different people. Great-grandchildren are not like great-grandfathers. Kievan Rus is nothing but the name does not resemble Ukraine. Or Moscow. And only Armenia is permanent as Caesar's wife.

                      Sorry for being rude, but Armenians need to know the rule of proctology "consistency is good only in the morning chair"
                    3. Bakht
                      Bakht 25 December 2015 19: 07 New
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                      By the way, why are you celebrating Christmas today? Are you catholic
                    4. SlavaP
                      SlavaP 26 December 2015 00: 02 New
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                      Quote: Bakht
                      By the way, why are you celebrating Christmas today? Are you catholic


                      Today, Christmas is celebrated not only by Catholics, but also by Protestants, Anglicans and everyone who does NOT belong to the so-called Greek Orthodox Church, which spiritually unites the Russian, Greek, Armenian, Georgian and about eight more so-called autocephalous churches. And since I live in England, where the Anglican Protestant religion is the traditional religion, I also celebrate Christmas with my family, friends and colleagues, that is, today. Sincerely.
                    5. Bakht
                      Bakht 26 December 2015 00: 38 New
                      +1
                      The Orthodox Church does not celebrate Christmas today. That's why I asked. I saw your flag, but congratulations on the Russian Orthodox website two weeks earlier .... :-)

                      I see the church from the window and no one is celebrating today. The Russian Orthodox Church celebrates in two weeks.

                      Sincerely.
                    6. SlavaP
                      SlavaP 26 December 2015 21: 58 New
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                      That's right. Orthodox Christmas is celebrated on January 6. I do not follow any particular religion and therefore follow a common tradition.
                  2. Butchcassidy
                    Butchcassidy 28 December 2015 09: 41 New
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                    Armenians, Ethiopians and Syrians (and before that even Albanians with Georgians, Georgians later adopted the Chalcedon Creed) are among the Old Orthodox Eastern churches, their Orthodoxy differs from Byzantine.
              3. xasharat
                xasharat 27 December 2015 00: 15 New
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                Quote: SlavaP
                What about the fact that Armenia was the first country to adopt Christianity

                you generally know when the doctrine of Christianity was created by the Roman emperor Constantine. Nicene Cathedral in my opinion. Before you write nonsense, look through the story. As it turns out, the Armenians adopted Christianity, and even at the state level BEFORE THE ROMANS CREATE THE DOCTRINE OF CHRISTIANITY FOR THE FIRST TIME !!!!
              4. Butchcassidy
                Butchcassidy 28 December 2015 09: 46 New
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                Quote: xasharat
                As it turns out, the Armenians adopted Christianity, and even at the state level BEFORE THE ROMANS CREATE THE DOCTRINE OF CHRISTIANITY FOR THE FIRST TIME !!!!

                Hand face...

                It does not bother you that according to your Christianity in 301 AD not yet formed as an independent faith?
            2. Butchcassidy
              Butchcassidy 28 December 2015 09: 31 New
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              According to legend, the state was first adopted Christianity by the state of Osroen, with its capital in Edessa and headed by King Abgar V Ukamm, there is his apocryphal correspondence with Jesus Christ (hence the icon - the Holy Savior).

              However, there is no kingdom of Edes now, but there are Armenians and Georgians. Armenians adopted Christianity in 301 (and not 321), and Georgians in 303.
          5. Butchcassidy
            Butchcassidy 28 December 2015 09: 23 New
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            Prokopenko with his films in the genre of "scandals-intrigues-investigations" is a serious historian like Shnirelman, I suppose.

            Better tell us about the "Azerbaijani builder Karimli", after whom the Kremlin is named, as the head of Azerbaijanis in Moscow said.
          6. genisis
            genisis 28 December 2015 12: 05 New
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            It is a fact that these states now exist. Represented internationally and at the UN. And there are OFFICIALLY recognized borders. So, along these INTERNATIONAL and OFFICIAL borders, the Armed Forces of the state of Armenia are in the territory of the state of Azerbaijan. And until they leave (at least within the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh) then war is inevitable.

            You may know better, but the military units of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic are deployed in Nagorno-Karabakh. And you fought with the Armenian population of Nagorno-Karabakh, which in a referendum proclaimed its independence from Azerbaijan. This is spelled out in the text of any of your favorite four resolutions. You lost this Armenian population of Nagorno-Karabakh in the aggression you unleashed against the Armenian population of Nagorno-Karabakh. The ceasefire agreement of May 1994 contains the signatures of the parties: Azerbaijan, Nagorno-Karabakh (Samvel Babayan) and Armenia. Today, Azerbaijan is trying to shrug off the very fact of the existence of Nagorno-Karabakh, not realizing that neither Armenia, nor America, nor Russia, no one but the Armenian population of Nagorno-Karabakh will decide the fate of this land. The Armenian population of Nagorno-Karabakh will lose in the next aggression that Azerbaijan plans to unleash - not a single Armenian will remain on this earth, although Turkic aspirations will certainly seek to merge, and my native Zangezur will be a direct obstacle in this matter, therefore, the confrontation will continue.
            After Baku, Sumgait, Maragi, your national hero, the commander of the Hindu Kush battalion, after Ramil Safarov, after your main "hero" Ibad Huseynov, no one believes in any "widest autonomy". I would like to ask - is this the same broad autonomy as the Talysh in Azerbaijan today? Or wider?
            You say: "The position of the Armenians is unconstructive, because of the presence of their troops in this territory, we will liberate this land by force." Think about it - you are threatening by losing the war. You do not withdraw snipers, carry out sabotage and reconnaissance operations, kill employees of the NKR defense army. At the same time, do not enter into a dialogue with the residents of the NKR, although you want to try on with them?
            This is strange.
            Because you want another.
            You understand that by talking you will not return anything. The Armenians have already said their word, having buried 14,5 thousand of their sons and brothers for the liberation of their native land. The Shahumyan district, part of the Martakert region, has not yet been liberated.
            There are two options - Azerbaijan repents and a dialogue begins - is unrealistic.
            Military action - yes, but so far difficult. Although, as you know, the last two months even caliber more than 100 have come into play.
            Collision is inevitable.
            Armenians will not start first.
            When will your Supreme be decided?
            This situation is very similar to the one that Rogozin bitingly described in a tweet to Madonna: "You either take off the cross, or put on your panties."
        2. Butchcassidy
          Butchcassidy 28 December 2015 09: 17 New
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          author zhzhot! wassat
      2. Butchcassidy
        Butchcassidy 28 December 2015 09: 03 New
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        Armenia was not on the map? Well hz, hz Strabo, for example, is not aware that Armenia was not there. On the contrary, he brazenly claims that she was.
  • xasharat
    xasharat 25 December 2015 14: 46 New
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    Quote: ButchCassidy
    it was Heydar Aliyev who made international terrorism


    What are you smoking a friend?
    1. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 28 December 2015 09: 47 New
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      A serious argument. Can not argue with that. laughing
  • alexng
    alexng 23 December 2015 19: 21 New
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    Quote: Now we are free
    Aliyev wants to say - Thank you. I can imagine how powerful pressure he felt from the "Empire of Good" and sang along with it


    Excuse me, you probably wanted to say "Empire of Lies"?
  • Sasha Belyaeva
    Sasha Belyaeva 23 December 2015 20: 23 New
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    Quote: Now we are free
    Aliev wants to say -Thank you.


    I read the comments of respected members of the forum. For some reason, it was surprising that most draw conclusions with respect to the changed position of Azerbaijan, relying only on the fact that Azerbaijan has provided its airspace ...
    I do not believe in a sudden awakened love for Russia, although this is not excluded. But let's look at everything that is happening around Syria comprehensively. And what we see:
    1) Turks shoot down the SU-24, shoot the pilot, try to capture the co-pilot alive
    The goal is to provoke Russia to an inadequate, unprepared answer or to show Russia's weakness in the absence of a response to the destruction of a military aircraft of the Russian Federation.
    2) At this moment, there are 12 American F-15 fighters at the Turkish airbase.
    3) Turkey's border with Syria and the airbase are protected by the air defense of the FRG - Patriot complexes.

    GDP is the only correct way in this situation - it removes tourists (potential hostages) from Turkey, imposes economic sanctions, destroys caravans of oil that feed ISIS fighters. But there is no military - Russia's symmetrical response to a hostile act.
    And what should be done in such cases by those who tried to drag Russia into a military conflict with Turkey, a NATO member whose purpose is to block the straits for the Syrian express, which is supporting the military operation of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria? They move on to Plan B.
    1) Lavrov and Kerry agree on a joint UN resolution on the peaceful resolution of the situation in Syria.
    It looks like a victory for Russian diplomacy ...
    But.
    2) Saudi Arabia creates an Islamic coalition from 34 countries, including Turkey, a NATO member and Pakistan, which has nuclear weapons.
    3) The United States will relocate its fighters from the Turkish air base.
    4) The Bundeswehr will redeploy its Patriot complexes located on the Turkish-Syrian border to Germany.
    Is it not strange in the context of the Russian-Turkish conflict?
    They are trying to convince us that NATO will not support "inadequate" Turks. And, like the icing on the cake, suddenly Aliev (Erdagan's friend) provides his airspace for the Russian Aerospace Forces.
    Question:
    It seemed to me alone that all these actions are interconnected?
    It seems to us that they are creating all the conditions for a military response to the Turks on their aggression.
    And in this case, it is no longer important sincerely that Azerbaijan provided its airspace or Aliyev is being used in the dark, creating an appropriate situation around him.
    Someone (and we all know who) is doing everything possible for Russia to strike a blow of retaliation against Turkey - and automatically find itself in a state of war with the Islamic coalition, which will declare jihad against the Russians.
    Thus, Washington and Brussels emerge from the Syrian conflict and enjoy the massacre between the Russian and Islamic world.
    One small detail is missing - a catalyst (an offer that Russia cannot refuse due to its obligations under the Collective Security Treaty Organization). Perhaps this is the Armenian-Azerbaijani war.
    But there is also China that needs guaranteed cheap Russian gas and oil, and has recently expressed its dissatisfaction with the slowness of Russia's provision of Chinese energy security ...
    Conclusion:
    It is necessary until the last opportunity to delay the war using time and resources for rearmament (in three shifts) and training the Russian army. And get ready, get ready, get ready ...
    1. Vikings
      Vikings 23 December 2015 23: 04 New
      -4
      Sorry, Dear, but you confuse God's gift with eggs
      Nice! And here personal relations Erdogan and
      Aliyev? Throughout its entire independence,
      Azerbaijan did not (Gabala does not count)
      creeping to the peak of RUSSIA.
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 24 December 2015 12: 59 New
        +5
        In another message I already wrote about Gabala.

        When did the Gabala station stop working? When new overseas stations of the Voronezh type came into operation in the Russian Federation. Russia did not for one day lose control of the southern direction. That is, Azerbaijan until the last kept on its territory a foreign military base. When the need for it disappeared (or decreased), it was eliminated. Everything fits into the same logic. Well, I. Aliyev does not want to see the territory of his country as a battlefield. It is very, very beneficial for Russia that there is no threat on its southern borders. Hence the normal partnerships. The only danger point is Karabakh. This issue will be resolved and the grouping of Russian troops in Armenia can be increased without any problems. Transportation of goods by rail is quite possible to discuss. This is all a mutually beneficial relationship.

        We can have normal relationships without hysterics and throwing stones. But everything is on a reciprocal basis. The principle "you to me - I to you" is very good.
        1. Butchcassidy
          Butchcassidy 25 December 2015 08: 57 New
          0
          The Karabakh status cannot be resolved in the understanding of Baku. Because by military means only Russia or the USA are capable of this, but not the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan, and Baku will not be happy with another way of development of events.

          Cargo at a military base in Armenia can also be delivered via railways through Abkhazia and Georgia, but it has its own story.
          1. Bakht
            Bakht 25 December 2015 09: 58 New
            0
            Funny you, as I look. Buy a globe and a centimeter. Just take a larger globe, otherwise you can’t see Armenia on a small one.

            But so to be taught a small lesson in geopolitics and military planning.

            What advanced bases of the RF Armed Forces exist? Take the most problematic ones. Transnistria, Armenia, Kaliningrad, Crimea, Latakia.

            Transnistria. How to supply grouping with a hot turn of events? Kaliningrad Will you carry goods through the Baltic states or by sea?
            Crimea is now connecting to the mainland.

            But we are interested in the base of the Russian Federation in Gyumri. Given that it is located practically on the border and within the reach of the barrel artillery, a dozen shells from the Turkish side turn it into a base for the S-300 air defense system. The airfield will not function. Cargo can be transported through Abkhazia, but it will not work through Georgia (almost a NATO member). Due to the difficult situation with Turkey, this base is necessary for Russia. But to supply it does not work. In the blockade, she, dear man. In the blockade. Like the whole of Armenia. But as a jump airfield, it would be very necessary for the operations of the aerospace forces in Syria. So yesterday it was reported that the Russian Federation was agreeing on a base in Iran, but could not use the base in Gyumri. Focusing on the phrase WILL NOT.

            So learn geography and politics. In total, geopolitics will make the subject. We should also have an economy. But I don’t want to pile us up so much.
            1. genisis
              genisis 28 December 2015 15: 11 New
              +1
              Why not get through Georgia? Now it turns out)
              Almost a division was deployed there, operating and conducting regular exercises. Okay, the Armenians supply food, clothing, fuel and lubricants, but what about ammunition? After all, exercises are held almost all year round. And with the shooting. Then, again, in the event of an attack on Armenia by Turkey, why would the Georgians not miss the train? Again, you are so trying to narrow down and get out of context. It is impossible to think that the Turkish attack on the territory of Armenia will not cause large-scale changes in neighboring Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan.

              But we are interested in the base of the Russian Federation in Gyumri. Considering that it is located practically on the border and within the reach of the barrel artillery, a dozen shells from the Turkish side turn it into a base for the S-300 air defense system. The airfield will not function.


              Two weeks after this incident, it became known that the Russian military at the Erebuni Airport in Yerevan reacted to the violation of the border by Turkish military helicopters. As you know, the aviation unit of the 102nd military base stationed in Gyumri is located at Erebuni Airport. According to a source close to the Russian base, right after the Turkish helicopter violated the border, a Russian MiG-29 took off, but the Turkish helicopter was in the airspace of Armenia for such a short time that the Russian plane did not have time to take appropriate action.

              Erebuni Airport is in Yerevan, not in Gyumri.
              Will you fire at him? )))
            2. Butchcassidy
              Butchcassidy 29 December 2015 10: 06 New
              0
              In general, I would look at an attempt at Turkish military aggression at a military base in Armenia.

              Not because I have such a capricious attitude towards opponents of Russia, just the recent events of the military-organizational issue have shown Russia's abilities. Actually, they always were, otherwise Russia would not have been the largest country on the planet.

              Given what internal processes are taking place in Turkey itself, a serious military conflict, even when Russia uses only conventional weapons, threatens Turkey with collapse. The Young Turks, having massacred the Christians of the Ottoman Empire - Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians - only delayed the collapse of Turkey, slowing down the centrifugal processes. One hint that Russia might recognize in the case of Kurdistan would be enough to blow Turkey up from the inside. And the processes of working with the Kurds have already begun. Moreover, the Islamization of the country, which Erdogan has consistently carried out, completely contradicts the foundations of secular nationalism that Ataturk laid down.

              The Su-24 issue will be a point of no return for Turkey - as Putin said, "you can't get off with tomatoes alone." And the conflict with the participation of Russia and Armenia will be an unambiguous collapse not only of Turkey, but also of its political project - the Republic of Azerbaijan, which is tormented from within by the same processes as Turkey.
      2. genisis
        genisis 28 December 2015 15: 00 New
        +1
        Throughout its independence,
        Azerbaijan did not (Gabala does not count)
        creeping to the peak of RUSSIA.

        Sorry, dear, but you confuse God's gift. Or, in your opinion, the treatment of militants on their territory, the provision of logistics to the first Chechen, does not count?
        Azerbaijan has become one of the bases of international terrorism ever since when, in 93, Heydar Aliyev called on Hekmatyar's Mujahideen in Karabakh to fight the Armenian Christians.
        Chechens with Shamil Basayev also lit up in Karabakh, but not for long. Then they all went actively on their own. From 1994 to 2002, Azerbaijan freely allowed Chechen fighters through its territory to Turkey for treatment, then back to Georgia.
        And the rest - yes, in spite of doing nothing)
        1. Butchcassidy
          Butchcassidy 29 December 2015 10: 14 New
          +1
          Moreover, it can be said that Basayev was deceived. As he said in a famous video: I thought that I was going to holy jihad, that the French and the British were fighting on the side of the Armenians ... And as practice has shown, only Armenians fought and fought there. And they fight well. And, in fact, it has always been like this: it’s enough to recall that the village of Chardakhlu from Nagorno-Karabakh presented the Soviet Union with two marshals (Amazasp Babadzhanyan and Ivan Baghramyan), twelve generals and 7 Heroes of the Soviet Union.

          Man always fights and wins, and not weapons or anything else.
    2. Vital1
      Vital1 24 December 2015 06: 58 New
      -2
      I agree, the war is on the verge. This is the USSR since 1938. increased the construction and the army. Prepared for 3 years. Russia does not have such terms. The army is reduced, draftees in the pioneer camp rest for a year. There are no defense plants, almost none. What can we do, we will gnaw teeth at the scumbags attempting our homeland.
    3. Military Builder
      Military Builder 24 December 2015 07: 13 New
      +3
      Washington and Brussels pushed Russia to start a war with Ukraine - it did not work, now with the Islamic world - I think it will not work either.

      Quote: Sasha Belyaeva
      It is necessary until the last opportunity to delay the war using time and resources for rearmament (in three shifts) and training the Russian army. And get ready, get ready, get ready ...

      I agree, something reminds me of the years 1939-40, there is no fire yet, but the smoke has already drawn
    4. cheap trick
      cheap trick 24 December 2015 22: 55 New
      -2
      Now, as usual, they will begin to write and they are already writing: Azerbaijan and Russia are friendship forever! earlier it was the same with Turkey. maybe you will at least once pause and eat twix like in an advertisement, otherwise scribes do not think through like a good chess player a few steps ahead, and I agree with you!
  • Maz
    Maz 24 December 2015 15: 17 New
    +6
    Sooner rejoice. Turks and Azeibardzhanians are all one that Russians and Ukrainians.
  • solkhat
    solkhat 24 December 2015 18: 17 New
    +2
    I completely agree and support you. ++++++++++++++++
  • xasharat
    xasharat 25 December 2015 14: 45 New
    0
    Quote: Now we are free
    Aliyev wants to say - Thank you. I can imagine what a powerful pressure he felt from the "Empire of Good" and sang along with it, especially now in connection with the tense relations between the Russian Federation and Turkey, this pressure on Aliyev has increased tenfold.


    You are absolutely right. It’s like your brother’s quarrel with your friend. I myself have thought more than once how he holds this presing. BUT the catch is different, do they understand this in Russia and Turkey?
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  • meriem1
    meriem1 23 December 2015 14: 21 New
    +7
    Quote: Rostov Dad
    I have a feeling that the states have long forgotten what diplomacy is ... They probably have it in the past ... Their diplomacy today is the diplomacy of an elephant in a china shop and the complete disregard for the opinions of other countries .. They have already declared the whole planet as their crockery bench. Unfortunately, such behavior can end very badly (tfutfutfu), including for us.


    And this is pressure! And in our garden pebbles. Well, they don’t want to start a war with Armenia. And the Turks sent and came themselves. Now it’s interesting ... what kind of eggs do Azerbaijanis have! Hope that iron.
    1. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 25 December 2015 08: 58 New
      -1
      Nobody sent the Turks anywhere, they themselves are in mind. And the theoretical basis of what is happening now is the development of Davutoglu, he outlined everything in his book "Strategic Depth", the meaning of which is the restoration of the Ottoman Empire.
  • Svidetel 45
    Svidetel 45 23 December 2015 19: 29 New
    +1
    They, the USA, never forgot diplomacy, diplomacy, gunboat diplomacy in the old days, and today diplomacy of aircraft carriers and cruise missiles.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 24 December 2015 10: 47 New
      0
      today the diplomacy of aircraft carriers and cruise missiles. ,,
      I don’t think, color revolutions and war by strangers are now in fashion.
  • spiriolla-45
    spiriolla-45 24 December 2015 12: 46 New
    0
    The worse, the better. The bolder the panties behave, the better for us. The main thing is not to be likened to them, because, in relation to Turkey, our politicians sometimes carry such nonsense that it becomes disgusting.
  • Maz
    Maz 24 December 2015 15: 16 New
    +2
    What do you do to them? states? I'm just curious.
  • 933454818
    933454818 24 December 2015 19: 02 New
    +1
    Well, what do you want, the original, so to speak, indigenous population of the USA are robbers and murderers who were sent there from Europe without the right to return for some long term on pain of death. Here and the result is cowboy habits in every sense.
  • There are a lot of us
    There are a lot of us 25 December 2015 10: 58 New
    -1
    Not for us, but for them ...
    1. There are a lot of us
      There are a lot of us 30 December 2015 08: 57 New
      0
      Who does not agree that the shit for the Americans will end, that small horned artiodactyl, although it leads friendship with a tiger wink
  • varov14
    varov14 23 December 2015 14: 32 New
    +5
    Jews rule the Anglo-Saxon rams.
  • Nikolay K
    Nikolay K 23 December 2015 14: 47 New
    26
    About democracy, this is not even a joke. According to the official position of the United States, sanctions against Azerbaijan were initiated by human rights activists, who believe that human rights have been systematically violated in the republic in recent years, and pressure is placed on democratic institutions and civil society. In Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey, of course, democracy is flourishing, and Azerbaijan is completely unbelted. winked
  • cap
    cap 23 December 2015 14: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: Wend
    Democracy in action laughing

    The sign on the nickname deciphered with difficulty.
    It reads as "inadequate on the road."
    It remains to decide how to behave after seeing inadequacy.
    Where is the traffic police? wassat
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  • Alex20042004
    Alex20042004 23 December 2015 19: 08 New
    +1
    USA - ISIS cell !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 24 December 2015 10: 49 New
      +3
      USA - ISIS cell !! ,,
      you are mistaken, Sasha is the head of igil.
  • GradusHuK
    GradusHuK 25 December 2015 22: 18 New
    0
    ,, Exceptional ,, soon choke on their own exclusivity!
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  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 12: 46 New
    32
    Quote: Gop
    blew up the flag of his republic

    Koment see from great intelligence
    1. 4 wheels
      4 wheels 23 December 2015 12: 54 New
      +5
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      from great intelligence

      There are no brains!
      1. tacet
        tacet 23 December 2015 13: 34 New
        0
        But what about the dorsal?
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 23 December 2015 13: 38 New
          +3
          Bone, bone forgot! Where are red blood cells produced?
      2. tacet
        tacet 23 December 2015 14: 34 New
        +2
        "The US by its actions is simply pushing Azerbaijan into our arms." Why exactly in ours, I think Comrade Xi is also not averse to hugging.
    2. evil partisan
      evil partisan 23 December 2015 13: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Koment see from great intelligence

      What is gopa laughing intelligence?? request
      Hi jail drinks
    3. Rostov
      Rostov 23 December 2015 18: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Koment see from great intelligence

      So why is this koment still (18.26 Moscow time) hanging? You are a moderator!
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 23 December 2015 12: 56 New
    +8
    Quote: Gop
    blew up the flag of his republic

    This was expressed to his personal experience. Repeatedly did this with the flag of his country? Malades to you, so many minuses in a short period of time, less than an hour.
    It's time to start the World Records Book.
  • OMEDB
    OMEDB 23 December 2015 13: 04 New
    +8
    Dear site administration, maybe it's time to delete the first comment in the article? Read disgusting!
    1. Vikings
      Vikings 23 December 2015 13: 43 New
      -13
      And this is an Armenian.
      1. Eugene-Eugene
        Eugene-Eugene 23 December 2015 15: 57 New
        +1
        you are on topbar Karabakh do not arrange
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 23 December 2015 13: 10 New
    +2
    something like that with your head is not the right one. And your nickname in Russian is Gop, is that in the sense of a gopnik?
    1. uragan114
      uragan114 23 December 2015 18: 45 New
      0
      He has an author in the nickname theme.
      What to take with this
  • Navuxonastupil
    Navuxonastupil 23 December 2015 13: 13 New
    0
    So I think illiterate would be about whom?
  • larand
    larand 23 December 2015 15: 08 New
    0
    Quote: Gop
    blew up the flag of his republic


    Kohl, it’s harmful for you to drink alcohol, it puts you in the dark.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 23 December 2015 16: 37 New
      0
      In my opinion, everything has already been invented and nothing else is needed. It is time to propose the zeroing of duties on goods from Azerbaijan, to offer cooperation, contracts, weapons, a joint venture for the extraction of energy resources.
      It’s a sin not to take this chance, try to soberly assess the situation and begin to resolve the crisis in Karabakh. If China is sufficiently connected, then it is not known who will be more lucky ?!
      1. S_last
        S_last 23 December 2015 22: 42 New
        +7
        Comments will be sent about what wonderful people the Azerbaijanis are, what friends they are of Russia, the very first, we can say the only ones. They will become one with us against the enemy. It doesn’t matter that 2 weeks ago they hugged with the Turks and signed agreements with them. It doesn’t matter even without looking at such statements by the leadership of Azerbaijan

        Turkey and Azerbaijan create a single army

        According to Zahid Oruj, a member of the parliamentary committee on defense and security of Azerbaijan, Turkey and Azerbaijan have begun to create unified armed forces. Oruj believes that the formula of the Turkish-Azerbaijani alliance “One nation - two states” should undergo changes towards greater integration, including towards the formula “One nation - one army”.

        When you look at least a little wider, it is far from always those who irritate our enemies our friends. All that is known about the fact itself is all one article that scored the entire Internet. This is just the opinion of one person, perhaps as far from the truth as most writers here.
        These calls to drop everything and rush to help Azerbaijan are simply ridiculous and absurd. Russians need help, Russians, themselves. And to whom to help them, there is already, as an option, here ... Vagit Yusufovich Alekperov (azerb. Vahid Yusif oğlu Ələkbərov; September 1, 1950, Baku) - entrepreneur and manager; General Director of the Kogalymneftegaz Production Association (1987-1990), Deputy (1990-1991) and First Deputy Minister of the USSR Oil and Gas Industry (1991-1992), President of the Langepasuraikogalymneft Oil Concern (1992-1993), President and Co-owner of the largest oil company Russian “Lukoil” (since 1993).

        With a personal fortune of $ 13,9 billion, in 2011 he took 8th place in the list of 200 richest businessmen in Russia (according to Forbes magazine) [1].
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 24 December 2015 00: 41 New
          +6
          And you do not pay attention to such trifles. Two months ago, Putin hugged with Erdogan. It seems the date of October 16th at the summit. And on the 24th they shot down a plane.

          We don’t need to make us friends of Russia. You yourself know how many friends and allies Russia has. Old hackneyed phrase by Alexander the Third. Exactly two. Given technological progress, we can say that there are three.

          If someone forgot, then we must remember that it was not Azerbaijan that left the USSR. Russia left the USSR. Together with Ukraine and Belarus. Just the backbone of the country (three Slavic republics). So we are not friends to you. But why do we need to be enemies - I don’t understand this?

          Is it really necessary to always live by the principle of black and white? Can't we just be partners and not flog a fever? The Gabala station was closed just for this simple reason. She existed for exactly as long as Russia needed. And it closed when other stations came into operation. And Azerbaijan simply does not want to have any bases on its territory. Neither Russian nor American. Is it really bad for you?

          By the way, there is a lot of writing here that Azerbaijan allowed to use its sky for the Russian Aerospace Forces. I probably missed something. Link please? I just believed that the sky of Azerbaijan is closed to the passage of any military aircraft of any country. Special permission needed.
          1. Butchcassidy
            Butchcassidy 24 December 2015 10: 15 New
            -1
            Quote: Bakht
            I just believed that the sky of Azerbaijan is closed to the passage of any military aircraft of any country. Special permission needed.

            And that Israel has already refused to use the airfield at Pumping?
            1. Bakht
              Bakht 24 December 2015 11: 09 New
              +6
              And what, there were lion cubs in the Pumping Station?

              I obviously missed something in this life.

              Azerbaijan allowed the transportation of goods through its territory and the flights of TRANSPORT aviation as part of its participation in the anti-terrorist operation in Afghanistan. All within the framework of UN resolutions. Recently, there was a ban on the passage of the Russian An-124 with military cargo from Armenia to the Russian Federation.

              I have not seen anywhere else on this site that the Russian air forces use the airspace of Azerbaijan. To the extent that the launches of the Caliber were carried out from the Iranian sector of the Caspian and did not fly over the territory of Azerbaijan.

              Yesterday, a bill was submitted to the Milli Majlis that Azerbaijan leaves the coalition for Afghanistan and FORBIDDEN logistics through the airspace of Azerbaijan. This is especially true for American transport aircraft.

              So neither Russian nor Western planes fly in our skies so far.
              1. Butchcassidy
                Butchcassidy 25 December 2015 09: 20 New
                0
                And where does it stand or not? It's about the flight of aviation. Fundamentally, nothing has changed since then, has the agreement with Bibi (Benjamin Netanyahu) changed about the airfield? And this question was being decided for use as a jump airfield during a military operation against Iran. And now the situation has changed - no one will support Israel, even the Saudis - they are too stuck in Yemen. Therefore, no one flies or stands in the Pumping Station.

                As for the Afghan cargo - let's see how it ends. After all, there is a serious financial infusion from the United States, not just for military cargo fly.
                1. Bakht
                  Bakht 25 December 2015 10: 00 New
                  0
                  You wrote that the airfield at Pumping was used by Israel. It is not true. Never been used. And there has never been any span of aviation. Repeat the word NEVER a couple of times so as not to forget.
          2. Konstantin Yu
            Konstantin Yu 25 December 2015 08: 23 New
            +1
            Quote: Bakht
            And Azerbaijan simply does not want to have any bases on its territory. Neither Russian nor American. Is it really bad for you?

            ..My friend, ..and someone in Russia does not want to have Azerbaijani "specialists", no bases, no markets .. Your comfortable interests are closer to you, this is understandable .. but turn your nose about Russian interests ... It's like- it is not in the neighborhood ... God forbid, in Russia unrest will begin, All neighbors have enough problems with their heads. So the stability of our neighbors is strongly linked to the power of Russia, and everyone can contribute to this.
            1. Bakht
              Bakht 25 December 2015 08: 59 New
              +1
              And who turns up his nose? We perfectly understand Russian interests and help as much as we can. The same Gabala station, the absence of foreign bases. Even with Chechen fighters, an agreement was reached with Moscow. On mutual terms.

              Both Russia and Azerbaijan have their own interests. Butting you with Turkey? But this is not a problem for Azerbaijan. Do you have a dispute with Ukraine? But Azerbaijan abstained from voting at the UN. Given the Karabakh factor, he should have stood for Ukraine.

              In Azerbaijan, no one has ever touched Russian schools, the mass of literature and media in Russian. Large joint projects. But we are not a Russian province. Therefore, do not require us to automatically support any of your actions.

              The current impact on Azerbaijan from the United States is precisely due to the fact that we are not opposing Russia.
              1. Butchcassidy
                Butchcassidy 25 December 2015 09: 38 New
                -1
                In principle, I agree.

                The question is different - human rights defenders in Congress simply were not given a move regarding Az., But you must admit that there were plenty of reasons? And now they are simply floated.

                Everyone must protect their interests. The problem is that the government does not have a social base as such, which is why Kurds were imported from Turkey and Iraq.
                1. Bakht
                  Bakht 25 December 2015 09: 46 New
                  0
                  Why have I always been opposed to flirting with Washington? Yes, because since the beginning of the 90s, the US Congress passed the 907 amendment to the Freedom Act. Where it was clearly said that Azerbaijan is an invader and an aggressor, and therefore, assistance will not be provided to Azerbaijan. Every year, the US president vetoes a clause on Azerbaijan, but no one repeals this amendment. According to American perverted logic, a country having a part of the territory under occupation is an aggressor. So even now, no change in US policy towards Azerbaijan can be expected. States are the enemy of Azerbaijan. But many in Baku do not want to understand this.
              2. Bakht
                Bakht 25 December 2015 09: 42 New
                +2
                Even with the Chechen fighters an agreement was reached with Moscow.
                I apologize for the mistake. Non-russian i recourse

                Even software for Chechen fighters was reached with Moscow.
                1. Butchcassidy
                  Butchcassidy 25 December 2015 09: 46 New
                  0
                  I understood correctly, do not worry.
        2. Otshelnik
          Otshelnik 24 December 2015 12: 16 New
          +1
          ButchCassidy and S_last, are you the same person or separately?)) Well, we are working, well, a little more neat, more inventive, otherwise the template articles from your resources are not particularly interesting ... By the way, you want to catch fish in muddy water? ... calm down, this time you won’t even catch a sprat, the times are different!
          1. Butchcassidy
            Butchcassidy 25 December 2015 09: 21 New
            -1
            I don’t know who is stirring up what, I’m only responsible for myself.

            There are questions - write, there will be time - I will answer.
      2. Butchcassidy
        Butchcassidy 25 December 2015 09: 00 New
        -1
        The situation in Karabakh has been resolved for 25 years under the mandate of the OSCE Minsk Group.
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 25 December 2015 09: 47 New
          +1
          My opinion is that the Minsk Group talk shop will not help. And it’s high time to leave the format of the Minsk Group. It is high time for Azerbaijan to withdraw from the ceasefire (it’s still not fulfilled) and from the format of the Minsk Group (they still don’t agree).
          1. Butchcassidy
            Butchcassidy 30 December 2015 09: 27 New
            0
            Quote: Bakht
            My opinion is that the Minsk Group talk shop will not help. And it’s high time to leave the format of the Minsk Group.


            No problem. Az.R. may get out of this process, but do not forget who the co-chairs of the Minsk Group are: Russia, France and the USA. How do you think they will react to such a demarche? The reaction will be quite obvious. And then everyone will immediately remember that Az.R. does not comply with the arms limitation regime and much more.
            And thus the position of Armenia and NKR will be reinforced in a very serious way. Therefore, I do not think that Baku will go out of the Minsk process.
  • Pilot
    Pilot 23 December 2015 16: 28 New
    0
    How do you do it. It looks like a record in the auto rating. "Respudlika" will remember its heroes.
  • theadenter
    theadenter 23 December 2015 18: 20 New
    0
    -212

    That’s what it means to blurt out without thinking.
  • KBR109
    KBR109 23 December 2015 12: 12 New
    66
    I have some bewilderment ... Azerbaijan was rapidly drifting towards Turkey, after including the downed SU-24 as well. The diaspora in Moscow rolled up hysteria ... These news are from parallel reality ...
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 23 December 2015 12: 16 New
      +9
      Quote: KBR109
      These news are from parallel reality ...

      Exactly. Now, by the way, in Karabakh there is an aggravation, they shoot every day.
    2. Averias
      Averias 23 December 2015 12: 17 New
      13
      Quote: KBR109
      These news are from parallel reality ...

      Not all news in the media - can be considered as reliable news.
    3. Diana Ilyina
      Diana Ilyina 23 December 2015 12: 20 New
      34
      Quote: KBR109
      I have some bewilderment ... Azerbaijan was rapidly drifting towards Turkey after the downed SU-24 as well. The diaspora in Moscow rolled up hysteria ... These news are from parallel reality ...


      I have the same impression that the news is from a parallel world! Somehow I did not notice a special love for us in Azerbaijan! And even the presence of the Azerbaijani military at the Victory Parade left an impression that the military from the NATO bloc had visited the parade! And their NATO equipment and machine guns they kept in the NATO manner, barrel down! Yes, and periodic skirmishes in Karabakh, as it does not add optimism!
      1. kolyhalovs
        kolyhalovs 23 December 2015 14: 14 New
        +6
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        Somehow I did not notice a special love for us in Azerbaijan!

        What kind of love can there be? And relations cannot be good either, simply because Armenia is an ally of Russia. And Baku and Yerevan have generally no relations. And if we consider that in Nagorno-Karabakh Russia de facto took part on the side of Armenia, then talking about Azerbaijan's "drift" somewhere in the direction of Russia is ridiculously simple.
        1. Butchcassidy
          Butchcassidy 25 December 2015 09: 23 New
          -1
          And what is this de facto?
          Quote: kolyhalovs
          And if you consider that in Nagorno-Karabakh, Russia de facto participated on the side of Armenia
      2. Ruswolf
        Ruswolf 23 December 2015 16: 42 New
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        Diana Ilyina
        I have the same impression that the news is from a parallel world!

        Not surprising. Yesterday's info:
        President Ilham Aliyev received on Tuesday, December 22, the delegation of the Turkish Grand National Assembly, headed by the chairman of the parliament, Ismail Kahraman, the official website of the head of state reports. Aliyev congratulating the guests on their victory in the parliamentary elections of Turkey and I. Kahraman on their election to this significant post , wished him success in his activities.
        *******
        Ilham Aliyev once again noted that in the world it is difficult to find two other countries such as Azerbaijan and Turkey that would be so attached to each other. He emphasized that during the 24-year period of independence of Azerbaijan, friendly and fraternal relations between the two countries have passed great tests. The President expressed satisfaction with the fact that Turkey, which hosted the G-20 Summit, invited Azerbaijan to participate in this event. He stated that Azerbaijan and Turkey are the closest allied countries.

        There, but today
        Azerbaijani banks on Wednesday, December 23, refuse to issue funds to their customers in Russian currency, instead of rubles, citizens are offered the equivalent amount in manats or dollars.

        These are the results of a study conducted in three local banks: Parabank, Bank Technique, NBCBank, Sputnik reports.

        Minval.az
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      4. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 24 December 2015 17: 58 New
        0
        The life of evil ..... The clever and the fool are distinguished by the ability to comprehend their mistakes and develop new solutions!
    4. Vikings
      Vikings 23 December 2015 12: 23 New
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      Your perplexity, easily explainable! Azeri does not need a hundred drift
      to the Turks, they have a normal relationship. But friendship with
      RUSSIA, Azeri never cheated.
    5. Altona
      Altona 23 December 2015 12: 28 New
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      Quote: KBR109
      The diaspora in Moscow rolled up hysteria ... These news are from parallel reality ...

      -----------------------
      In the case of sanctions by Azerbaijan in relation to Russia, this diaspora would be the first to get on the head.
      1. KBR109
        KBR109 23 December 2015 14: 22 New
        +5
        This is difficult. Let's not forget that they make up about 1.2 million - 10% of Moscow. Feeding on your head ...
        1. Altona
          Altona 23 December 2015 15: 06 New
          0
          Quote: KBR109
          This is difficult. Let's not forget that they make up about 1.2 million - 10% of Moscow. Feeding on your head ...

          --------------------
          Almost all trade was with Azeris, the food industry, all sorts of cafes with Armenians. I think that pogroms in the markets could not have been avoided, albeit not massive ones, but still. At least indicative. Or if not pogroms, then fires in warehouses would have blazed, and in general any kind of counteraction to their entrepreneurs.
          1. Vikings
            Vikings 23 December 2015 19: 27 New
            +1
            В
            Quote: Altona
            Quote: KBR109
            This is difficult. Let's not forget that they make up about 1.2 million - 10% of Moscow. Feeding on your head ...

            --------------------
            Almost all trade was with Azeris, the food industry, all sorts of cafes with Armenians. I think that pogroms in the markets could not have been avoided, albeit not massive ones, but still. At least indicative. Or if not pogroms, then fires in warehouses would have blazed, and in general any kind of counteraction to their entrepreneurs.

            You think that write! Little to us hemorrhoids around the perimeter
            borders, with yesterday’s little brothers. This is what we need to do. To lock us up in the perimeter of conflicts.
    6. What a
      What a 23 December 2015 12: 38 New
      +1
      Shiite Azerbaijanis, I thought that the Sunni Turks would be sent away.
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 23 December 2015 12: 44 New
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        Wrong thinker. drinks

        Azerbaijanis adore Turks. And religion does not matter much in Azerbaijan. So far, at least not. I know my people well. It is especially pleasant to look at the Russian Orthodox Church on Easter. How many "Shiites" and "Sunnis" are there with candles ....

        Religion is gaining momentum throughout the world. But the main thing here is not religion.
        1. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 23 December 2015 13: 03 New
          +2
          Quote: Bakht
          So far, at least not. I know my people well. It is especially pleasant to look at the Russian Orthodox Church on Easter. How many "Shiites" and "Sunnis" are there with candles ....
          Religion is gaining momentum throughout the world. But the main thing here is not religion.


          Colleague, it is very interesting
          Do not judge me, colleague, there is nothing wrong with thoughts. Quite the contrary, the stability of Azerbaijan as a secular state is in many respects the key to peaceful coexistence in the Transcaucasus, despite even the Karabakh conflict.
          And honestly, I did not understand the article, colleagues. hi
          1. Bakht
            Bakht 23 December 2015 13: 30 New
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            Bye this means bye. And nothing else. Secular regime in Azerbaijan provides leadership. Destabilize the situation and in a year we will have a lot of fanatics. Maybe earlier. So far, a bunch of people from Azerbaijan are fighting in ISIS. Like from Russia, by the way. But ... As soon as they return, they are immediately given considerable deadlines. For participation in illegal terrorist organizations.

            The leadership of Azerbaijan is fighting against fanatics. And quite successfully. So far, successfully ... Do not forget that Bashar al-Assad in Syria is also a secular ruler and Syria was a secular state. Nothing is eternal under the Moon.
            1. Mjohn
              Mjohn 23 December 2015 13: 35 New
              +5
              Quote: Bakht
              Azerbaijanis adore the Turks.

              Shah Ismail in a tomb turns upside down ...
              1. Bakht
                Bakht 23 December 2015 13: 43 New
                +7
                I agree. He repeated this many times. But that is, that is. And Shah Ismail has been in the land for 500 years.
                1. Mjohn
                  Mjohn 23 December 2015 13: 54 New
                  +1
                  Here, the Armenians honor history and do not have diplomatic relations with the Turks.

                  Z.Y. If you are on the side of Russia, then why are you building gas pipelines and railways bypassing Russia?
                  1. Bakht
                    Bakht 23 December 2015 14: 10 New
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                    And what needs to be built in Russia?

                    You surprise me. The largest exporter of oil and gas is Russia. And should we build pipelines to the north? We are not building them in Iran either. Because Iran has the largest gas reserves.

                    The counter question is if the Russian Federation has bad relations with Europe, then why are you building gas pipelines there? Or territorial disputes with Japan. Why does Russia sell gas and oil to Japan?

                    You have mixed up politics and economics. They are connected, but not so much as to sell the product to someone who does not need it.
              2. Otshelnik
                Otshelnik 23 December 2015 17: 45 New
                +1
                By the way, Yerdoganov-Zionist "Islam" is conducting a big campaign against Shah Ismail ...
                1. Bakht
                  Bakht 23 December 2015 17: 56 New
                  +2
                  What do you want. He is an enemy to them. But strictly speaking, we consider Shah Ismail Azerbaijanian. He relied on the Kyzylbash. But in all historical research, it passes like a Persian shah. Although there is Byzantine blood in his veins.

                  It's a complicated story. Cherche la femme.
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 24 December 2015 19: 47 New
                    +2
                    Bakht commentary. from 14: 29
                    What difference is religious radicalism or not? The Bolsheviks were no less radical, although the churches were blown up. In the case of radicals, ideas come first. The economy is secondary. And the most popular is the idea of ​​universal equality.
                    A fall or growth of the economy cannot serve as a criterion for the fight against radicals.

                    This idea is especially interesting because it sounds in our time, but before that Hitler said exactly the same thing.
                    Recently, an article “Germany in brown tones ... From January 1 of the 2016 of the Year” on the decision of the FRG authorities to publish “Mein Kampf” - and this is the first (!) After the 2-th World War - and introduce in parts the study of this Hitler’s “manifest” in German schools from 16-17 years. And for the fight against the revival of German Nazism, as well as to strengthen tolerance to foreign migration policy Merkel and the adoption in Germany of a huge number of foreign migrants. - http://topwar.ru/88201-germaniya-v-korichnevyh-tonahs-1-yanvarya-2016-goda.html#

                    comment-id-5380935
                    So, for my comments on this article, I had to refresh this “Mine Kampf” a bit. I can’t now accurately convey a similar quote from Hitler, but it is precisely of the above content. (It’s just that I can’t quickly find it again.) But at Mine Kampf there was a continuation and disclosure of this very thought. It consisted of the following.
                    Any radical idea can be removed from circulation in society only by another radical idea, capable of leading people. This Hitler spoke of the struggle against Marxism, to which he contrasted his Nazi national socialism.
                    In the new history of the collapse of the USSR, the ideology of M. Friedman about the so-called The "free" market of capital, goods and labor with its monetarism and the cry "Enrich all who can!"
                    That it is precisely secular ideology, and that it is precisely of an international character, having embraced the whole world, few are aware of. It was replaced by radical Islamism, which also gradually acquires international features, spreading throughout the world. Moreover, its international European activists and activists in the post-Soviet space are mostly not people from poor or very destitute families. Why?
                    According to Hitler, all the so-called "International" ideologies, including religion, has its own global Machiavellian customer. I will not tell further.
                    So, if we follow Hitler’s absolutely rational idea, then it should be recognized that no repressions against radical Islamism will succeed if the so-called ideology is replaced Friedman’s "pure" market economy with its transformation into radical Islamism will not be opposed to society by another ideology of an international nature.
                    The solution to the problem with all sorts of secular radical "religions" and religions in general lies in the conceptual sphere - in the sphere of creating a secular concept of the development of an international society. Here there should be a breakthrough in scientific knowledge.
                    1. Bakht
                      Bakht 24 December 2015 21: 08 New
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                      This is all interesting and informative. Perhaps Hitler wrote something like that. I tried to read Mine Kampf, but, frankly, I did not master. The fact that the ideas of nationalism (in the extreme manifestation of Nazism) are being revived is a fact. Nationalist parties are gaining weight throughout Europe. The extent to which they are radical is no longer important. The main thing is that they are radical.

                      In this regard, I would like to recommend the book by J. Attali. This is a rather extraordinary personality. He was an advisor to President Mitterrand, then the first head of the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD). According to some reports, a member of the Bidelberg Club and was a member of the committee of 300 (if any). He wrote his book, Millennium, back in 91. A short essay, I would say. There are many interesting comments. If I may, a few quotes. How did he guess what will happen in 25 years?

                      Europe is likely to face big trouble. The very logic of continental integration collides with a long-standing, often bloody tradition of ethnic and national strife, with a history of manifestation of chauvinism and xenophobia. Mass migration from Africa, coupled with floods of troubled East Europeans to Western and other more prosperous states, will lead to the idea of ​​building a new Berlin Wall, a wall that will prevent the flow of refugees from the periphery seeking refuge in the centers of the prosperous North. The migration of such nomads will, of course, be regulated, since a stream of migrants rationally carried out, completely under the control of the authorities, can turn into a kind of benefit. Like Germany, which employs Turkish "guest workers" for jobs that almost all Germans refuse, so will the intermediate countries of the emerging new world order, hiring people to do certain jobs for some time. Many representatives of the peripheral elite will continue to live, work, and travel in privileged regions, enriching the life of central societies with exotic music, images, and a kind of cultural and outlandish cuisine. But neither the Pacific nor the European realms will accept the many poor nomads. They will defend their cultural and political individuality and close the borders to those immigrants who will refuse to return to their lands, immersed in the darkness of ignorance and poverty, after spending a long time "visiting". Will be introduced - quotas and certain restrictions on the right to citizenship and property. Foreigners - will be ostracized in the social sphere. Like the fortified cities of the Middle Ages, privileged centers will begin to erect all sorts of barriers, thus trying to protect their wealth and internal stability. The failure of Marxism will be seen in the Third World countries as the failure of Western culture, as the end of the struggle against constant poverty. And this will lead to outbreaks of fanaticism.
                    2. Bakht
                      Bakht 24 December 2015 21: 09 New
                      +2
                      Too many quotes. I had to break the text

                      The most affected and defeated in the next millennium will be residents of both the periphery and the entire biosphere. Outside the emerging Pacific and European spheres, four billion people will begin to take timid steps towards a market society and a democratic system. But one market is not able to develop industry or create the basic infrastructure of a healthcare system and education. Only one market is not able to make the sale of raw materials a profitable business. He cannot protect the environment, just as he is not able to fill up a huge, ever-expanding gap between privileged regions and peripheral paralysis. If all hopes for building a new society are connected only with the market, then tomorrow it will lead to the appearance of principled revolutionaries who, indignant at the wealth of the inhabitants of privileged world centers, will certainly raise an uprising.

                      In a world where everything is turned upside down by nomadism, the need for a "scapegoat" arises again. Half a century after the end of World War II, the ghost of racism wanders again on a forgetful planet. The new racism will be multifaceted: it manifests itself in the opposition of Islam to Christianity, it can already be seen in the widespread hostility to black immigrants who are busy searching for shelter and a home in this inhospitable North. If people empowered in the emerging spheres of prosperity knew how to think in the distant future, they would be more careful to look at the periphery that lies near their threshold.
                      In the coming new world order there will be both the vanquished and the victors. The number of losers will certainly exceed the number of winners. They will strive to get a chance for a decent life, but they will most likely not be given such a chance. They will face overt prejudice and fear. They will be in the pen, suffocating from a poisoned atmosphere, and no one will pay attention to them because of simple indifference. All the horrors of the XNUMXth century fade in comparison with such a picture.
                      1. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 25 December 2015 23: 57 New
                        0
                        Thanks for the info! J. Attali did not read anything. Somehow I didn't have to. It will be interesting to analytically look and read the book you recommend, and evaluate its content from the point of view of the current political situation in the world. Usually such people, in their forecasts, in some way let slip about the plans outlined behind the scenes to establish a "new world order" by it.
                      2. Bakht
                        Bakht 26 December 2015 00: 50 New
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                        He wrote during the collapse of the Union. Some of his predictions did not come true, some directly terribly accurate. I have always been interested not in particular, but in the general development trend. And he guessed the general direction correctly.

                        Lots of good literature :-) It's hard to choose. Eyes run wide. It's good that I had such a job that I had a lot of free time. Have you read B. Didenko's "The Civilization of Cannibals"? Since here I was taken to the Neanderthals, I remembered. Terribly interesting reading. Didenko himself is a student of Professor B.F. Porshnev. His book "On the Beginning of Human Civilization. Problems of Paleopsychology" once knocked me off my feet. And not just me. Therefore, it was released in the USSR in a circulation (terrible to say) of a hundred copies. I didn't even find it in the library of the Academy of Sciences.

                        Porshnev’s book is too large for scientists. But I recommend Didenko. He simply developed some ideas of his teacher. And he indicated the causes of human aggression. Homo sapiens is not a single species, but is divided into five subspecies. Read - you will not regret it.

                        And I myself began to read Mine Kampf in a new way. Nevertheless, the enemy must be known.

                        Sincerely.
                      3. Bakht
                        Bakht 26 December 2015 00: 55 New
                        0
                        I'm an old tempter smile

                        To interest you (and not only you) I will give you only two paragraphs from the introduction of the book by B. Didenko

                        The infinite cruelty so vividly and generously demonstrated by mankind has no analogies in the world of higher animals. But at the same time, it is in a strange, paradoxical way comparable - up to literal coincidences - with morals prevailing in the life of creatures very far from rational forms of behavior: insects, fish, and even primitive organisms, such as bacteria, viruses. "Homo sapiens" behaves in no way "smarter" than spiders in a bank. In relation to its habitat - the Earth - the "civilized" humanity is no better than a "metastasian" type of chancellor. What lies behind this incredible but obvious coincidence ?! Another eye-catching example of extremes converging ?! Or is it still nothing but a blatant and significant evidence that a person and his rationality are not quite naturally combined and are far from ideal for each other? Has a man already taken upon himself an excessive burden? And will not the burden of reason crush him ?! And what is the reason for the pathological cruelty of the “king of nature” in relation to his own kind?

                        More than 14,5 thousand wars with four billion dead. For all historical time, in total, there are only a few "non-war" years. People practice 9 types of violence with 45 of their varieties - and these figures seem to be becoming outdated, just like the “accumulated” number of wars. All this monstrosity of the existence and "coexistence" of human populations cannot be understood without clarifying the causes of its occurrence. The idea of ​​alienation of man from Nature, the proclamation of him as the "crown of creation" with the transfer to his jurisdiction and undivided use of the whole world accessible to him the living nature and resources of the Earth - all this was probably the first "ideological error" of mankind in history. And now the time has come to pay for this completely unfounded idea of ​​the supremacy of man with the simultaneous proclamation of himself "king of nature" with all the powers of an impudent and cruel impostor.
          2. Vladimir 1964
            Vladimir 1964 23 December 2015 14: 18 New
            +3
            Quote: Bakht
            Bye this means bye. And nothing else. Secular regime in Azerbaijan provides leadership. Destabilize the situation and in a year we will have a lot of fanatics. Maybe earlier. So far, a bunch of people from Azerbaijan are fighting in ISIS. Like from Russia, by the way. But ... As soon as they return, they are immediately given considerable deadlines. For participation in illegal terrorist organizations.

            The leadership of Azerbaijan is fighting against fanatics. And quite successfully. So far, successfully ... Do not forget that Bashar al-Assad in Syria is also a secular ruler and Syria was a secular state. Nothing is eternal under the Moon.


            Colleague, I don’t know whether you gave me a minus or not, it’s not so important. Your point of view is important, which fully coincides with mine. Indeed, whatever one may say, the fight against radicalism is "still successful ...", for its real success requires too many factors, including the growth of economic development, which has fallen significantly in our countries at the moment. Am I wrong, colleague? hi
            1. Bakht
              Bakht 23 December 2015 14: 29 New
              +7
              I do not put cons. Fundamentally. I don’t even put on abusive posts. And even more so on normal ones. A man has his own head and his own thoughts. Why cons?

              What you wrote is true. But there are many faces in a glass. In quite economically successful countries in Europe, radicalism is growing. Many adherents of Islam in the States and the growth rates are impressive. So the economy is important (it is always important) but there is no direct connection. There was an almost perfect model of socialism in Libya, but we all see the result.

              What difference is religious radicalism or not? The Bolsheviks were no less radical, although the churches were blown up. In the case of radicals, ideas come first. The economy is secondary. And the most popular is the idea of ​​universal equality.

              I can’t say that I’m XNUMX% sure of what I wrote. Just think out loud. A fall or growth of the economy cannot serve as a criterion for the fight against radicals.
              1. Vladimir 1964
                Vladimir 1964 23 December 2015 14: 47 New
                +3
                I do not put cons. Fundamentally. I don’t even put on abusive posts. And even more so on normal ones. A man has his own head and his own thoughts. Why cons?

                Well, let me think "out loud", colleague. I liked your serious resume. And if I understand you correctly, ideology plays a major role in relation to our countries. Or is it the economy. Just your opinion. I'm really interested. hi
                PS And about the minuses, colleague, I apologize, do not bother, communication is much more interesting. hi
                1. Bakht
                  Bakht 23 December 2015 15: 18 New
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                  I have always been a pragmatic realist. And I was taught that the economy is primary. That is, there is a basis and a superstructure. School course, colleague smile

                  But this is with normal people. Fanatics have different thoughts. And a fanatic is not necessarily an Islamist. Here in Ukraine Yatsenyuk is pure fanatic. And half of Rada is the same. They are not interested in economics at all. So they don't care if the economy is strong or if it collapses. Like the Bolsheviks in their time, "we will destroy the whole world of violence."

                  It is we who think that Eurointegration is bad economically. They think differently. Patterns are driven into the head. So it is with the Islamists. Well, they don’t understand that going to the mosque and beating his forehead on the floor is bad. Although it’s because the time for discussion on this site is being killed :-)

                  So I have an ambiguous answer to your question. My opinion is that, in general, countries with strong economies are not immune from radicals. And the fight against them is not carried out according to the method "I will give you bread and circuses and you will become law-abiding." They won't.
                  1. Vladimir 1964
                    Vladimir 1964 23 December 2015 16: 32 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Bakht
                    So I have an ambiguous answer to your question. My opinion is that, in general, countries with strong economies are not immune from radicals. And the fight against them is not carried out according to the method "I will give you bread and circuses and you will become law-abiding." They won't.


                    Dear colleague Bakht, if I understood you correctly, then this is a response to my comment addressed to you. Well, the answer is very worthy and cannot be criticized. For one nuance, I apologize, "not only radicals go to the mosque and bang their foreheads on the floor." My mother-in-law goes to Friday prayers, all her life (over 35 years), she worked as a nurse in the infectious diseases ward, and when I don't work (I'm Russian) I drive her in a car hi .
                    1. Bakht
                      Bakht 23 December 2015 16: 37 New
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                      Excuse the radical. I am not very good with any religion. I do not consider it worthy of a THINKING person. I just don't get it. I am closer O. Khayyam

                      Traps, pits in my way.
                      God set them up. And ordered to go.
                      And he foresaw everything. And left me.
                      And judges ... He who did not want to save!
                    2. Vladimir 1964
                      Vladimir 1964 23 December 2015 16: 43 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Bakht
                      Excuse the radical. I am not very good with any religion. I do not consider it worthy of a THINKING person. I just don't get it. I am closer O. Khayyam

                      Traps, pits in my way.
                      God set them up. And ordered to go.
                      And he foresaw everything. And left me.
                      And judges ... He who did not want to save!


                      Thank you for your attention and comment, colleague. But let, Khayyam, never denied the Almighty, and in many verses, even exalted Him. yes
                    3. Bakht
                      Bakht 23 December 2015 16: 48 New
                      +7
                      Not always ... :-) He was a big comedian, this Khayyam. And he also went to the mosque.

                      I enter the mosque. The hour is late and deaf.
                      Not in a thirst for a miracle, I am not in prayer:
                      From here I once pulled off a rug
                      And he was worn out; need another!
                      -------
                      Gumilev’s apocryph is close

                      1. God who created the world is a person, but by no means an absolute.

                      2. Having created space outside himself, he limited himself, for he himself was outside the space he created. Therefore, he is not omnipresent.

                      3. Having created time, an independent phenomenon, he limited himself, for he cannot make the former non-existent. Therefore, he is not omnipotent.

                      4. Having created souls endowed with free will, he cannot predict their actions. Therefore, he is not omniscient.

                      5. This is so because he is good, for if he were omnipresent, he would be in evil and in sin, but this is not.

                      6. This is so because he is merciful, for if he were omnipotent and did not correct the evil of the world, then this would not be compassion, but hypocrisy.

                      7. This is so, because if he were omniscient, he would also know the evil thoughts of people, who could thereby not do otherwise, so as not to violate his will. But then he should be responsible for all crimes, and not people who are just executors.
                    4. Vladimir 1964
                      Vladimir 1964 23 December 2015 17: 15 New
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                      Quote: Bakht
                      Gumilev’s apocryph is close

                      Quote: Bakht
                      7. This is so, because if he were omniscient, he would also know the evil thoughts of people, who could thereby not do otherwise, so as not to violate his will. But then he should be responsible for all crimes, and not people who are just executors.


                      Colleague, excuse me, but Gumilev, and his theories, things are quite abstract. And you and I live in the real world. And we have that worldview of peoples and their religions, those that we have, with all the religious wars and conflicts. And with all due respect to your opinion, if I understood you correctly, Gumilyov, he will not help us, As in other things, he would not help the "utopians". to which, in my subjective opinion, he is close. hi
                    5. Bakht
                      Bakht 23 December 2015 17: 17 New
                      +3
                      I do not insist. Everyone has their own addictions.
                    6. Vladimir 1964
                      Vladimir 1964 23 December 2015 17: 24 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Bakht
                      I do not insist. Everyone has their own addictions.


                      A colleague, about preferences, of course, is too much, but thank you very much for communicating. Absolutely honestly and from the heart. hi hi hi
                    7. Bakht
                      Bakht 23 December 2015 17: 53 New
                      +2
                      And thank you. And also from the heart.
                    8. Vladimir 1964
                      Vladimir 1964 23 December 2015 21: 27 New
                      0
                      Quote: Bakht
                      And thank you. And also from the heart.

                      I was pleased to communicate on the site with an interesting opponent. hi
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  • Altona
    Altona 23 December 2015 17: 49 New
    +1
    Quote: Bakht
    But this is with normal people. Fanatics have different thoughts. And a fanatic is not necessarily an Islamist. Here in Ukraine Yatsenyuk is pure fanatic. And half of Rada is the same. They are not interested in economics at all. So they don't care if the economy is strong or if it collapses. Like the Bolsheviks in their time, "we will destroy the whole world of violence."

    ----------------------
    Yatsenyuk is not a fanatic, he is very pragmatic. He is simply not a national politician, he is a hired manager pretending to be a politician. He skillfully throws all kinds of destructive theses into Ukrainian society, but the lower structures, official ones (ministries and government departments) and unofficial ones (various kinds of nationalists) digest them. But society itself no longer accepts them.
  • Zeus
    Zeus 23 December 2015 20: 30 New
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    With a decrease in the level of the economy (increase in unemployment, decrease in living standards, increase in crime), alternative power groups of ideological groups increase the possibility of attracting people who are disappointed with the current power, and the current power reduces the economic, reputation and social resources to suppress such alternative groups. Therefore, with a decrease in the level of economic growth, stagnation or recession, various ideological moods are always activated.
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 23 December 2015 21: 11 New
      +1
      On the whole it is true. But only in general. But the devil is in the details. In which countries can crime be eradicated completely? Well, if not completely, then press hard? Not in the most prosperous. Namely, totalitarian ones. In those where the management did not care about reputational risks. For example, Mussolini's Italy, or Hitler's Germany. Any State will have enough economic forces to suppress gangster groups. And believe me, the support of most of the society will be provided. "A thief should sit in jail".

      Yes, of course, crime in poor countries (regions, neighborhoods) is higher than in prosperous ones. But this is, so to speak, domestic crime. To create a protest movement, slightly different sources are needed. As the convict V. Ulyanov (driving Lenin) used to say, sitting in exile in Shushensky, the organizing role of the party is needed. Need an idea.

      And the idea is not presented by bandits with colts and brass knuckles, but by refined thinkers such as K. Marx. Well, who submitted the idea of ​​ISIS I can not say for sure. Most likely some (!) State represented by General Petraeus. And they need replenishment not with raids on banks (which a certain Kamo Ter-Petrosyan practiced under the patronage of Dzhugashvili Koba), and not with the looting of Palmyra artifacts, but with regular injections. As can be seen in the example of the RSDLP (German money), or Al-Qaeda (drug trafficking), and now ISIS (oil trade under the guise of the state).

      Yes, it is best to recruit adherents among the poorest and oppressed. But the ideologues of radicalism themselves are not among those.
      1. Zeus
        Zeus 23 December 2015 23: 06 New
        -1
        It goes without saying that not a street bandit will lead, but educated people. What I have listed is used by them to inflate protest moods and use them against the authorities. Authorities can successfully suppress protest moods only as long as the difference in resources between it and the alternative is significant, as soon as it decreases, fermentation begins immediately. Even in the ruling elite, disagreements begin, which opponents will certainly try to use. And God forbid for the ruling elite, if an internal conflict leads to the fact that part of the media will be under the control of the opposition. Then already tyrannical methods of suppressing protests will not help. By the way, both in Italy and Germany, Mussolini and Hitler were able to come to power, just in time for a global economic recession. Industrialists supported Hitler only because he promised them to lift the ban on the production of military products, promised them money and new markets. After the lost WWI, the German bourgeoisie were deprived of this, and having a prosperous business would never have supported such a radical adventurer as Hitler. And even despite the fact that the Third Reich held power through fascist tyranny, after Stalingrad, when it became clear that the chosen political course was lost and the current regime would inevitably fall, fermentations began within the German ruling elite. But imagine the option that Goebbels decided to move from Hitler and, together with Hitler’s political opponents, would try to save the regime by surrendering Hitler with all his devoted allies and political concessions in exchange for the consent of the anti-Hitler coalition to abandon the regime. In this case, all German propaganda would have been deployed against Hitler. Now it is already impossible to calculate what consequences this has turned out to be, but the fact that Germany would have been defeated faster is unequivocal.
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 24 December 2015 00: 31 New
          +3
          Sorry, I do not agree.

          According to the fad. I wrote that the connection is possible, but not so straightforward. And in the details ...

          1. Germany. Many promised money and power and orders and all-all-all to industrialists and bankers. But ... a party was needed. And Hitler joined the party of National Socialists. Notice, not created, but entered. Had a membership card at number 7. Yes, as a result of the crisis. Now let's look in the encyclopedias and be very surprised. After the 33rd year, who made up the backbone of his party? Who overstepped the Nazis? The vast majority are communists. That is, the ideas of national socialism turned out to be nicer to the ears of the ideas of international socialism. But still I needed an idea.

          2. The confusion at the top of the Reich - from the field of speculation. A handful of conspirators (by the way, already from the 38th year in the conspirators) were not supported by the army and power structures. The Germans fought until May 9, 1945. And even longer. Take the memoirs of Guderian, Bock, Manstein. Any significant Wehrmacht general and SS condemned the coup attempt.

          3. The 30s in Europe, fascism (Nazism) was the predominant religion. In fact, the fascist ones were Spain, Portugal, Hungary, Romania, Finland, Poland, the entire Baltic States, Italy, and Germany. The fascist parties of England and Norway had strong positions. And many sympathized.

          The idea itself is attractive. By the way, now it is also gaining strength (in France, Austria, England, Germany). International Socialism seduces a few. But National Socialism is difficult to refute. Not much different from ISIS in meaning. Only those who are on the right path of faith (or the right nation) deserve life. After all, there is no difference what to set as a criterion - religion, skin color or race. The idea itself is to separate the right from the wrong (Muslims from giaurs).

          So what do we have? Does the weakening of the state lead to the appearance of radicals? Or maybe the other way around? Lumpenov can be found in the most prosperous country. But to charge them for action, you need an organization. Ideas and money. And this can be found either in a rich society or from the outside. If Qatar or the Saudis or the United States had less money, would ISIS appear? Or if Western politicians had no ideas, would they create Al Qaeda? But in these organizations there are a lot of people from quite prosperous countries. And not the poorest went into the Syrian desert.

          I agree with the thesis that the poor are easier to revolt. But riot is easily suppressed by any police station. Like in Ferguson. And it is not suppressed if it is fed from outside and the state is weakening (as in Ukraine). In Syria, B. Assad also twisted his arms. His mistake is that he did not immediately crush the riot. Like Gaddafi hesitated. And then the big uncles from the gateway with large clubs intervened.
        2. Zeus
          Zeus 24 December 2015 19: 24 New
          +1
          I tell you: this is a forest.
          And you to me: No, this is a forest.

          Does the weakening of the state lead to the appearance of radicals? Or maybe the other way around?

          Not the appearance, but activation. But the opposite is also true.
        3. Bakht
          Bakht 24 December 2015 21: 20 New
          0
          We put an equal sign between them and we will not argue drinks
  • Weyland
    Weyland 24 December 2015 02: 26 New
    0
    Quote: Bakht
    And the idea is not presented by bandits with colts and brass knuckles, but by refined thinkers such as K. Marx.


    I once wrote an essay on totalitarianism, started digging - and found that there was no information about its origin in the 3rd dynasty of Ur, but all others cases, the dependence is clear: first, some thinker (Shan Yang, Kautilya, Lycurgus, Plato, Marx, Lenin) develops a harmonious theory, then there is a ruler who implements it ...
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  • Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 25 December 2015 09: 25 New
    -1
    The power apparatus is good, but the cause of radicalization lies on a different plane - social problems, unemployment, the impossibility of self-realization, if you are not from the right clan or have nothing to bring where you need to - all this prepares a substrate for Islamic radicalism.

    And this is pure competence of the authorities.
  • cap
    cap 23 December 2015 14: 24 New
    +4
    Quote: Vladimir 1964
    Colleague, it is very interesting
    Do not judge me, colleague, there is nothing wrong with thoughts. Quite the contrary, the stability of Azerbaijan as a secular state is in many respects the key to peaceful coexistence in the Transcaucasus, despite even the Karabakh conflict.
    And honestly, I did not understand the article, colleagues. hi

    You can read it out of curiosity. I do not insist, but the question is the same as everywhere where the United States was noted.
    “World events show that there is a“ soft war ”between the USA and Russia, in which each side is trying to use the levers in its hands against each other .. Choosing Christopher Smith as a defender of“ human rights ”and an instrument of political pressure on Baku is absolutely unsuccessful.
    Everything is clarified upon careful consideration of the biography of the unfortunate congressman from New Jersey, Christopher Smith - the initiator of this anti-Azerbaijani bill. The author is known for his radical statements in the style of Washington, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, in a manner previously unusual for the US Congress. He is the author of a famous scandalous speech in Belarus when he appealed to the US Presidential Administration with a call to work on charges against the International Criminal Court in The Hague against Alexander Lukashenko. The same vocabulary, shamelessness and extravagant statements sound on his part to China, Russia and other opponents of Washington. Now he is trying to “turn the arrows” of Congress to Azerbaijan.
    The corruption scandal has not yet subsided when the US Congress investigated the case of embezzlement and the use of public funds for expensive overseas trips to Africa against Christopher Smith. In distant Kenya, this congressman was worried about the problems of Africans and there he fought for the abolition of abortions in this country.
    Corruption among congressmen is present, as evidenced by another scandal surrounding the “Hay Dat” lobbyist and the herald of the Armenian diaspora, New Jersey Senator Robert Menendez. The issue of corruption of Senator Robert Menendez is directly related to the “sympathy for Armenians” of another congressman, chairman of the Helsinki Commission USA Christopher Smith, whose activities are generously financed by "Ay Datom", in addition, partly from the pockets of Washington's geopolitical opponents. "
    Elkhan Aleskerov, Ph.D., head of the expert group of Baku Network
    www // bakunetwork.com »
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 23 December 2015 14: 52 New
      +7
      Thanks for the info.

      A bill does not mean that it will be adopted. They may accept, but they may not. In the United States, the lobbyist system is quite formal. So they can push any bill. May be accepted with reservations.

      Our journalists have a mania to look for negative things, instead of looking for patterns. For 20 years I have been standing on the fact that the States have a hostile policy towards Azerbaijan. But through the efforts of propagandists and stupid journalists, the idea is being instilled in society that Russia is the enemy.

      I am glad that we have at least a few of these borosopisators, but they are kept in hedgehogs. And the level ... The general level of some journalists is lower than the plinth. I’m not talking about everyone, because I don’t know everyone. But those I know have a negative opinion.

      Doctor of Philosophy - that sounds cool. I am not familiar with him personally, so I don’t give an assessment. But the style of the article ... Instead of analyzing some gossip and reprint from the Internet.
    2. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 23 December 2015 16: 47 New
      0
      Quote: cap
      The choice of Christopher Smith as a defender of “human rights” and an instrument of political pressure on Baku is absolutely unsuccessful.

      Colleague, excuse me for ignorance, but I rightly have never heard of Christopher Smith. But in any case, I am grateful to you for participating in my enlightenment. hi
  • aksakal
    aksakal 23 December 2015 13: 49 New
    +5
    Quote: Bakht
    Azerbaijanis adore the Turks.
    - I would like to hope that if something happens (pah-pah-pah! Although, given Erdogan's insanity ())), the Azeri will not interfere and stand aside, despite the adoration of the Turks. And the force of their diaspora will not be used against Russia))). Adoration is adoration, but the Turks are wrong here anyway. The Russian bomber did not violate the airspace of Turkey, and Assad is not a butcher, and certainly not Erdogan to call Assad a butcher - he is just now acting with the methods of the Assad butcher in Diyarbakir, so Erdogan has no right to claims against Assad. " generally". As there are no rights to buy oil stolen from Syria. Therefore, Assad will remain at his post, but whether Erdogan will remain at his position depends on Erdogan himself, or rather the speed of his removal from big politics. They will slowly remove them, through the actions of all Demirtas, if Erdogan does not twitch like now. And if they sat down, they thought of something to trick - to block the Bosphorus and send troops into Syria - then the removal would be dramatically accelerated. For this, the Southern Military District is heavily armed. And no matter how Azerbaijan has anything to do with it, the fate of Erdogan does not depend on him, but you can ruin relations because of your weaknesses for those unworthy of it))). If other sanctions are added to amer's sanctions, it will be very difficult, and oil and gas will not help here. So it would be necessary somehow smarter to adore, and adore those who deserve it.
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 23 December 2015 14: 41 New
    +1
    Quote: Bakht
    it’s nice to look at the Russian Orthodox Church on Easter.

    Compared to what happened 25 years ago, the changes are still very noticeable in the population. The outflow has greatly decreased, but a thin stream is present.
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 23 December 2015 14: 56 New
      +4
      Demographic changes are our misfortune. I know this, but not everyone agrees with me.

      The trickle has decreased, because there is practically no one else to leave. Those who remained somehow integrated into Azerbaijani society. In terms of living standards, I do not think that Azerbaijan is very different from Russia. Where to go then?
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 23 December 2015 15: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: Bakht
        I know this, but not everyone agrees with me.

        This is bad. Because of this, the outflow began. I say this, for the reason that I myself am one of those. And the government has done everything possible to reduce outflow by any means. For example, between our countries there is no pension agreement. This year my old friend moved. He will retire in a few years, but his experience is not enough. Only work experience in the Union will be counted for him. And work in the oil fields, at sea, was thrown down the drain. I will not say anything about myself, but my comrade seems very pleased that he managed to move.
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 23 December 2015 16: 02 New
          +1
          There are different situations. I myself helped with certificates to those who left. Yes, Azerbaijan has not ratified the pension agreement. Seniority is considered only until 1992.

          I know those who are happy and those who are not. For many, this is a tragedy.
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 23 December 2015 16: 18 New
            +3
            Quote: Bakht
            For many, this is a tragedy.

            For all. This is a new place, new customs, What can I say? If the move during the USSR did not create problems with employment, then a little later everything got out. But, again, about a friend. We found work, retrained after AziNeftekhim, paid for retraining. What else is needed? So everything is getting better with him. When the housing problem is solved, there are much fewer problems. And this is true for any country. Housing is the most important thing
  • Altona
    Altona 23 December 2015 13: 10 New
    0
    Quote: Che for
    Shiite Azerbaijanis, I thought that the Sunni Turks would be sent away.

    -----------------------
    Rather, the moon will fly to Earth.
  • Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 23 December 2015 13: 03 New
    +3
    Very surprised by the message!
    Just yesterday, Azerbaijan was considered unfriendly for Russia and suddenly opens roads for us and, most importantly, the United States rises across its throat.
    Here's a zigzag (the word "good luck" will not work here).
  • Loner_53
    Loner_53 23 December 2015 12: 13 New
    17
    Alas, no one denies the fact that Washington is determined to take revenge on Azerbaijan.


    This us monkey, led by a tanned macaque, will soon be ready to eat himself from anger to the whole world.
    1. Cube123
      Cube123 23 December 2015 13: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: Loner_53
      Alas, no one denies the fact that Washington is determined to take revenge on Azerbaijan.


      This us monkey, led by a tanned macaque, will soon be ready to eat himself from anger to the whole world.

      Gingerbread cookies are not enough, so you have to act only with a whip.
      1. Loner_53
        Loner_53 23 December 2015 14: 15 New
        0
        Quote: Cube123
        Gingerbread cookies are not enough, so you have to act only with a whip.

        You want to say that "Maidan" ate everything laughing
    2. Boos
      Boos 23 December 2015 13: 12 New
      +3
      Do not dramatize on the eve of the Year of the Monkey ... My vassal's vassal is not my vassal, not my vassal. Azerbaijan has long been a Turkish citizen!
      1. cap
        cap 23 December 2015 14: 38 New
        +5
        Quote: Boos
        Do not dramatize on the eve of the Year of the Monkey ... My vassal's vassal is not my vassal, not my vassal. Azerbaijan has long been a Turkish citizen!

        You should have seen 3.14 Turkish Turks on the embankment in Baku. At some point, the Turks (it was under President Elchibey) suggested that after the collapse of the USSR, Azerbaijan would become part of Turkey. They behaved arrogantly as invaders. it’s hard that I had to change my behavior. So what about love. I will say no. Rather, marriage of convenience.
        I was drinking kvass there hi .
        1. Butchcassidy
          Butchcassidy 30 December 2015 09: 41 New
          0
          Initially, the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic was a project of Turkey as part of a geopolitical confrontation with Iran, aimed at separating the Turkish-speaking Persians of Iran from its sphere of influence. Hence the chosen name - Azerbaijan. Although the lands that Az.R. never before 1918 were they called Arran and Shirvan, only a small part in the south - Lankaran (Lankon) was part of historical Azerbaijan. And the real Azerbaijan is located in the north-west of Iran - these are the ostans (regions) of Western and Eastern Azerbaijan. The name comes from the Atropatena series (Aturpatakan) - Adarbadagan - Azerbaijan.

          But since then a lot of water has flowed under the bridge, and relations between Turkey and the Republic of Azerbaijan have greatly changed, especially with the coming to power of the Aliyev clan, which is of Kurdish origin with all the ensuing circumstances for relations with Turkey. And in many ways, Baku "twisted" Ankara, using its relations with the Kurds and the PKK.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 23 December 2015 12: 13 New
    19
    you will call nothing but hysteria

    The United States really began to resemble a hysterical woman (sorry for the expression), who, despite her wrongness, continues to believe that she is right to always and hysterically run into others.
    1. cniza
      cniza 23 December 2015 13: 26 New
      +3
      They have been spawning for a long time, plans are not fulfilled, they begin to hate quietly, and other centers of power have appeared. So they behave like an elephant in a china shop.
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  • 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 23 December 2015 12: 13 New
    +4
    "The US by its actions is simply pushing Azerbaijan into our arms."

    Oh oh Or maybe they are pushing them into a Turkish hug ..?
    1. Mera joota
      Mera joota 23 December 2015 12: 34 New
      +3
      Quote: Observer 33
      Oh oh Or maybe they are pushing them into a Turkish hug ..?

      come on, how can one push from a Turkish hug into a Turkish hug?
  • Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 23 December 2015 12: 15 New
    +6
    The fact that Washington is determined to take revenge on Azerbaijan, alas, does not deny

    But when will the chaos of this world baton end ?! Well, the real thing is that you need to do this in the states so that they finally think - is it worth it to excite against the whole world? After all, as you know, the crowd and the mammoth can be kicked ...
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 23 December 2015 12: 49 New
      +4
      Quote: Corsair0304
      Well, the real thing is that you need to do this in the states so that they finally think - is it worth it to excite against the whole world?

      Libya, Syria, Iraq, Vietnam ..., (we continue to infinity), or three Japan 1945g.
  • Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 23 December 2015 12: 15 New
    +6
    Washington is hysterical - it's just great. In this state, the brains are turned off. They bury themselves. It would not hurt them to throw another 2-3 reasons, so as not to relax.
  • ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 23 December 2015 12: 15 New
    12
    Well, well, one wish to Azerbaijan is to hold on and not give up. Pressure, provocation, blackmail, and other attributes of an overseas domination policy will intensify.
  • seti
    seti 23 December 2015 12: 16 New
    13
    It may sound cynical, but all these sanctions, coupled with the hysteria of America against Azerbaijan, are beneficial for Russia. That is, there is no longer a move to the right to the left, there is a choice and it is only one way. So we are waiting for you Azerbaijan in the EAEU in the near future. Well, all the others who shouted about good America, it’s time to think about it and is it really democratic and kind?
    1. kaluganew
      kaluganew 23 December 2015 12: 40 New
      -2
      America is good for its people.
      1. AlexTires
        AlexTires 23 December 2015 12: 52 New
        +2
        Quote: kaluganew
        America is good for its people.

        ... which periodically preemptively fires.
    2. Gani
      Gani 23 December 2015 13: 45 New
      +3
      Rather, the states would have already announced sanctions to Europe, Merkel and Hollande were included in the "lists" if only for poor implementation of the Minsk agreements!
  • Aksakal_07
    Aksakal_07 23 December 2015 12: 16 New
    26
    But is Sargsyan weakly condemning the initiators of the draft sanctions against Azerbaijan and expressing solidarity with a neighboring country? America is far away, and Azerbaijan is a neighbor. And it is forever!
    1. Vikings
      Vikings 23 December 2015 12: 28 New
      -5
      Sargsyan’s gut is thin!
    2. Loner_53
      Loner_53 23 December 2015 12: 28 New
      +7
      Quote: Aksakal_07
      But is Sargsyan weakly condemning the initiators of the draft sanctions against Azerbaijan and expressing solidarity with a neighboring country? America is far away, and Azerbaijan is a neighbor. And it is forever!

      And this would not be a bad step towards meeting at least some kind of dialogue. And there .... we will not make any guesses, as they say, but it all starts with a small one.
      1. Butchcassidy
        Butchcassidy 30 December 2015 09: 46 New
        0
        That would be a bad move

        Quote: ButchCassidy
        By saying this, you show that you do not understand the eastern mentality. What you propose to do will be perceived only as weakness. And the weak in the East, especially Muslim, prefer to cut.
    3. sa-zz
      sa-zz 23 December 2015 12: 32 New
      11
      Quote: Aksakal_07
      But is Sargsyan weakly condemning the initiators of the draft sanctions against Azerbaijan and expressing solidarity with a neighboring country?

      But this would be a strong deed, an act of the State.
    4. Gani
      Gani 23 December 2015 13: 41 New
      +3
      )) This is certainly from parallel reality! And then, how would Aliyev justify to his population that the Armenians expressed solidarity to him? (This is certainly a break of all templates!). And what about Sargsyan? ”“ Surely relatives from America will come to insist on his hat - why the hell did they lobby for this topic in Congress? what would Sargsyan then express solidarity with Aliyev?))
    5. Nicola Bari
      Nicola Bari 25 December 2015 19: 17 New
      +1
      They will not understand him. Neither in Yerevan nor in Baku.
    6. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 30 December 2015 09: 45 New
      0
      By saying this, you show that you do not understand the eastern mentality. What you propose to do will be perceived only as weakness. And the weak in the East, especially Muslim, prefer to cut.

      Russia has drastically changed its image by launching an operation against terrorists in Syria, before that it was badly tainted by the "Natasha" in Turkey and Egypt. And now Russia is associated with serious adult men on combat aircraft. Which is very good. bully
  • V.ic
    V.ic 23 December 2015 12: 18 New
    -1
    No, no, only after you, Mr. Obama!
  • salad
    salad 23 December 2015 12: 18 New
    +9
    Lord, as it’s already tired, everywhere mattress mattress mattress, freedom fighters are bad !!!!! am
    1. shark
      shark 23 December 2015 12: 51 New
      -1
      The impudence and obsession of the mattress covers all reasonable boundaries. He is furious, comes to the point that sometimes I think - to hell with shattering the globe. If only they were no longer on the board. Stupid of course. But after all, such emotions are deduced ...
  • lotar
    lotar 23 December 2015 12: 19 New
    +4
    Europe still had to open its eyes to what was happening, and then the hegemony of the United States would come to naught. Not to its individual representatives, in the person of Merkel, but to their entire community, since Merkerl and her other colleagues in the political arena in present-day Europe are ill-gotten, and Americans take advantage of this.
  • ratfly
    ratfly 23 December 2015 12: 19 New
    +4
    The USA is like an evil bitch during estrus. I had a bite of everyone ... But we all know the result, there will be qualitatively and quantitatively, oh, wow!
  • VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 23 December 2015 12: 20 New
    +3
    Amerikosov politics is all the weirder. It seems that in the White House some kind of panic!
  • atamankko
    atamankko 23 December 2015 12: 20 New
    +3
    Normal politicians understand what "democracy" is in the American way.
  • sever.56
    sever.56 23 December 2015 12: 20 New
    10
    The states are pouring huge sums of money into the financing of the Azerbaijani opposition. They think least of all about Azerbaijan as a state. They need one more piece in the puzzle called "The Belt of Instability at the Borders of Russia." The nationalist opposition, the heirs of the "Musavatists," will use these economic sanctions to destabilize the situation in the country and topple Aliyev. It should also be borne in mind that Turkey, the closest ally of the states in the region, also affects the situation in Azerbaijan.
    To preserve the country, so that pro-Turkish and pro-Western nationalists do not come to power, tough measures must be taken so that the state does not slide into chaos and Islamic obscurantism.
  • knn54
    knn54 23 December 2015 12: 21 New
    +7
    The news is not only Putin's fault, but also the Armenians ...
    1. 2s1122
      2s1122 23 December 2015 12: 28 New
      +6
      You can add the same Jews, without them laughing
  • moskowit
    moskowit 23 December 2015 12: 22 New
    +9
    Well, quite the same, an objective analysis, all the accents are placed correctly. An example of a fundamentalist threat to secular power is fully understood and fully neutralized. There is no particular choice for Azerbaijan. The Turks have recently lost their reputation as a serious state so much that Azerbaijan is not willing to become "under the wing" of Russia. Moreover, now the broadest opportunities have come for the sale of agricultural products in the vast market. And it is a sin not to take advantage of this opportunity.
  • Mjohn
    Mjohn 23 December 2015 12: 22 New
    +1
    Yes, it’s not the USA that rules everything, but its mongrel Turkey!
  • 2s1122
    2s1122 23 December 2015 12: 25 New
    +1
    I don’t know, not everyone can stand against the USA. All the same, new economic relations are forming.
  • Bakht
    Bakht 23 December 2015 12: 28 New
    15
    The comments are impressive. As I understand it, no one understands anything. Like the author of the article by the way.

    Azerbaijan is not an enemy of the Russian Federation. In any case, the country's leadership. At the household level ...? And how are Azerbaijanis considered in Russia at the household level? The same answer.

    The best option exists. Do you have enough examples of Ukraine? Aliev is not Yanukovych. He will not surrender a country without a fight. But he needs support. There will be support for the Russian Federation - there will be peace, friendship and dolma. And you can even with vodka. There will be no support - you will not be forcibly sweet.
    1. gray smeet
      gray smeet 23 December 2015 12: 35 New
      +8
      Quote: Bakht

      Azerbaijan is not an enemy of the Russian Federation.

      He will not surrender a country without a fight. But he needs support. There will be support for the Russian Federation - there will be peace, friendship and dolma.


      If you need support from Russia, then the example of Syria says a lot ....

      And as for the everyday level - normal relations - I meet with Azerbaijanis once a week - we get along very well.

      And I won’t refuse from dolma (real, domestic) ...

      Yes, and very rarely there have been comments from Azerbaijan .. sorry. People commented very correctly, politely and argumously - it was very pleasing.
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 23 December 2015 12: 38 New
        11
        Come have a treat. No problem. And at the household level. I’m reading comments and I don’t see the positive. It’s sad.
        1. gray smeet
          gray smeet 23 December 2015 12: 48 New
          +2
          Thank you, I'm really going to visit Baku - the city is very beautiful (in the pictures) ....
          And about the comments - here I agree with you - a lot of alluvial, not needed by anyone, warped patriotism, in recent years. Take the same first comment about the flag - it is vile to read this, but the comment continues to hang (!) Has not been deleted (!) So far.
          1. Bakht
            Bakht 23 December 2015 12: 55 New
            +9
            Pay attention to stupid comments? ... No nerves enough. I love normal conversation and normal analytics. But the web is clogged to disgrace.

            Welcome. The city is beautiful. The center is amazing. Not my opinion. The general. True, a couple of days ago we dropped manat. So prices jumped to the sky. But you can take a walk. Preferably in May-June or in August-September. It's hot in the summer.
            1. gray smeet
              gray smeet 23 December 2015 13: 05 New
              +1
              Thank you .. in May and June it’s a great time - everything is green, strawberries, lots of cherries, the apricot is already ripening ... the city is clean, the trees are whitewashed and cut ...
              And in August-September it’s good! ... I know.
          2. Vikings
            Vikings 23 December 2015 13: 04 New
            +1
            Don’t get hungry! I often go there. Russian is the basis there!
          3. solodova
            solodova 23 December 2015 14: 34 New
            +4
            No need to delete comments, there are already so many indignant appeals to him. If you remove it, they will hang in the air, later those who visit the site simply will not understand them. The attitude of the majority (overwhelming) on ​​the site to this comment already speaks for itself. )
        2. Bakht
          Bakht 23 December 2015 12: 51 New
          12
          Confirmation of what was said.

          Invited to dolma - received a minus. recourse

          It’s somehow violet to my minuses and pluses. But just wondering why? Did something bad say?
          1. Vikings
            Vikings 23 December 2015 13: 06 New
            +1
            Now, if on the Balyg-kebab from sturgeon and under Stolitsnaya ........................ +
          2. solodova
            solodova 23 December 2015 14: 39 New
            +2
            this is the answer, the one who reacts with minuses is interested in making sure that relations between countries and people are ruined. Therefore, it does not matter what is written - the main thing is to create an impression, a negative. ) As with the first stupid comment. ) But seriously pleased. Thank. )
          3. a housewife
            a housewife 23 December 2015 21: 08 New
            -1
            Probably strained words about the attitude at the household level, more, it seems there is nothing. But then somehow it is necessary to explain. hi
        3. shark
          shark 23 December 2015 12: 58 New
          +7
          And what about the positive. It just so happened that first of all they throw out the negative. Smart people know it's better to be silent than to speak. Personally, I have no rejection of Azerbaijanis. Hospitable, hardworking, wise people. I will only be glad to friendship between Azerbaijan and Russia. Yes, there were problems. But who does not have them. Especially if all the internecine strife between the peoples of the former USSR was thoroughly inflated and supported by our sworn "partner" And we will survive the problems. Together!
        4. Vikings
          Vikings 23 December 2015 13: 03 New
          +3
          Here's a positive from me +++++++++++++
        5. Manul
          Manul 23 December 2015 13: 22 New
          +3
          Quote: Bakht
          Come have a treat. No problem. And at the household level. I’m reading comments and I don’t see the positive. It’s sad.

          The situation was heating up for a very long time. Excuse us, we are already twitching steel. Georgia, Ukraine .. Now, God forbid, it will strike you. And do not say that this is from the inaction of Russia. The targeted destructive influence of Western political forces. We will try not to forget about Russian-Azerbaijani relations. But you also understand that here it is not one dolma (hospitality) that matters. Tell me - how do you paint Russia in the media? The situation with Nagorno-Karabakh? Putin? Russian? Armenians? America-Europe? What do they say on the shops? Very interesting. hi
          1. Bakht
            Bakht 23 December 2015 13: 39 New
            +7
            The shops are spoken very poorly. This is all the result of propaganda that has been pumped up for many years. But what they say on the benches is not related to state policy. In communication, everything is in order. No negative emotions. Journalists we have to set the brains. Like Russia, by the way. Unfortunately, they determine the mood.

            We have one and only problem - Nagorno-Karabakh. My personal opinion is that unresolved is connected with the politics of Armenia. It is quite possible to solve the issue of self-determination. It’s just like with Ukraine. Two years ago, Donbass needed self-determination. Now independence. The farther into the forest, the thicker the partisans. I am afraid that this problem is for a long time and that it is it that interferes with normal peace between the two republics. Long talk.

            The attitude towards Turkey is determined by the fact that the only country that provided assistance to Azerbaijan is Turkey. And no Sunni-Shiite showdown of this fact will not change. Who helps us and the buns. Normal practice. The same applies to Russia. And to the USA. Azerbaijan is trying to pursue an independent policy. It is difficult for small countries. Very hard. But we are trying.
            1. guzik007
              guzik007 24 December 2015 12: 18 New
              0
              The attitude towards Turkey is determined by the fact that the only country that provided assistance to Azerbaijan is Turkey
              ----------------------------------------
              And I breed rabbits, sing, feed ...
              It’s good that the rabbits don’t know the ending ...
            2. Butchcassidy
              Butchcassidy 30 December 2015 09: 55 New
              0
              Actually, the problem is that the initially incorrect format in which the main subject of the process is absent is NKR. And Stepanakert’s subjectivity now denies Baku, although this did not prevent it from signing a ceasefire protocol with Stepanakert and Yerevan in 1994 in Bishkek. True, they signed an agreement on the personal order of G. Aliyev only under the threat of losing Kirovobad.

              PS Actually, Kiev takes the same position with respect to Donetsk and Lugansk. There will be a threat of losing the suburbs of Kiev - there will be direct negotiations. DNR and LC - learn from Armenians laughing
          2. 416D
            416D 23 December 2015 14: 05 New
            10
            "Tell me, how do the media portray Russia in your media? The situation with Nagorno-Karabakh? Putin? Russians? Armenians? America-Europe? What do they say on the benches? Very interesting."

            You know, depending on the media: the pro-government criticize the West, the opposition, on the contrary, praise, respectively, about Russia basically the same.

            Nagorno-Karabakh plus seven districts around it are occupied by Armenia. Not without the help of Russian troops stationed in the early 90s in the same Armenia. Earth must be returned by peace or war. Everyone is unanimous here.

            Putin Opinions were divided about him 50/50.

            Armenians But comments

            America-Europe. Many recognize that in economics, civil liberty, etc., etc. we see them as before the moon.

            On the benches: The West is certainly good, but Russia is closer ...... and we are within the limits of a direct strike. So it is necessary to provoke it))

            The analysis is subjective, but these are my observations.
            1. Manul
              Manul 23 December 2015 14: 17 New
              +5
              Quote: Bakht
              Long talk.

              Come in and do not pay attention to some personalities. We need to talk in order to understand what is happening with our neighbors and in the world.
              Quote: 416D
              The analysis is subjective, but these are my observations.

              Thank you with Bakhtiyar for the answers. This is the only way to find out the point of view from different angles. The media is very one-sided.
            2. sleeping sayan
              sleeping sayan 23 December 2015 15: 33 New
              -1
              "Not without the help of Russian troops" Yes, but how many weapons from the 4-OA were left in Azerbaijan? Apart from the MiG-25, but also the Afghan mujahideen, Turkish advisers. And what helped you?
              1. Bakht
                Bakht 23 December 2015 15: 37 New
                +4
                The course of combat action to disassemble a lot of what you need to know. There the fluctuations went in direct proportion to the position of Moscow. And in both directions.

                Moscow's influence was great, as was the influence of the groups in Baku itself. Here in Yerevan, there was never any hesitation. They received help from two sides: from Russia and from the West.
                1. Butchcassidy
                  Butchcassidy 30 December 2015 09: 59 New
                  0
                  Fluctuations were on both sides, I agree. The question is that the then influence of Moscow was greatly overestimated, rather, the old mentality was still in force, according to which everything had to be coordinated with Moscow.
            3. Weyland
              Weyland 24 December 2015 02: 38 New
              +1
              Quote: 416D
              Earth must be returned by peace or war


              I am wildly enraged by the love of sovereign republics for double standards. And if the Russians say that all lands belonging to the Republic of Ingushetia are going to be returned by peace or war - What kind of howl will you raise?
              If Georgia, Moldova and Azerbaijan have the right to independence - why Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Transnistria and Karabakh do not have them?! Rejoice that few people already remember the Talysh Republic and Lezgistan!
              By the way, such a crap is everywhere - an aircraft sovereign from Spain immediately scattered into dozens of countries, India is still with Pakistan on knives, I generally keep silent about African countries ...
              In the 1848m, the Hungarians tried to sovereign from Austria - but they did not want to hear about giving autonomy to the Croats, Slovaks and Ruthenians. As a result, ban Jelacic was most actively suppressing the Hungarian revolution - among the Croats he is now a national hero ...
              1. 416D
                416D 24 December 2015 08: 17 New
                0
                "I am wildly enraged by the love of the sovereign republics for double standards."

                Well, they would have given independence to Chechnya. What did so many people put there - both their own and their opponents? And Abkhazia and Ossetia were recognized. Not double standards?
                1. Weyland
                  Weyland 24 December 2015 22: 42 New
                  +1
                  Quote: 416D
                  Well, they would have given independence to Chechnya.


                  So we, in fact, gave it away - we thought everything would calm down! And what happened? Again the attacks! am The result is the 2nd Chechen!
                  1. Bakht
                    Bakht 24 December 2015 23: 01 New
                    0
                    You are right about double standards.

                    For example, I am wildly enraged with the words "people of Nagorno-Karabakh". Let me explain. According to various estimates, about 100 people lived in Nagorno-Karabakh. Of these, 000% (again, all data are approximate) are Azerbaijanis. And they lived for hundreds of years. So they didn't want to separate. The processes of secession were quite fully sounded in the Sakharov center. There was even a brochure. Are they not "the people"? Why was their opinion not considered? And the funny thing is that there was no self-determination. The first UNION rallies were held in Yerevan. The make-up came from abroad. The slogan was "miatsum". Aggression in its pure form and territorial claims. What independence are they talking about here?

                    In the late summer of 1989, I was in Lachin. Before my very eyes, several boxes of machine guns and cartridges were unloaded from trucks with "humanitarian aid". And all this "humanitarian aid" was guarded by the SA soldiers. Nobody will convince me that it was the intrigues of the Kremlin or the Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh were suddenly inflamed with the idea of ​​"self-determination". This is a protest movement brought in from abroad, which was fed from Yerevan both materially and spiritually. And the mass of mercenaries from Syria and Lebanon are already in the hot stage of the conflict.

                    Okay. This is the whole story. Azerbaijan gives the Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh the right to self-determination. The highest status of autonomy following the example of the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic. It is its own language, its own government, its own police, prosecutor's office, its own courts, its own Supreme Council (that’s how it would be in the Donbass). Representation in the Milli Majlis of Azerbaijan and veto power on decisions related to Nagorno-Karabakh.

                    The funny thing is that I do not agree .... Yerevan.
                    1. Butchcassidy
                      Butchcassidy 30 December 2015 10: 03 New
                      0
                      Read on this topic: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsification of_history_in Azerbaijan

                      There, and about "hundreds of years of Azerbaijanis" (about which no one had heard of the Goths until the early 30s, "Muslims" and "Caucasian Tatars" appeared in TSB) and much more.
                2. Butchcassidy
                  Butchcassidy 30 December 2015 10: 00 New
                  0
                  So there was actual independence according to the results of the First Chechen. And then the militants invaded Dagestan, which was not going to leave Russia as it was joked in KVN: Dagestan voluntarily was not part of Russia, voluntarily and will not leave bully
            4. Butchcassidy
              Butchcassidy 30 December 2015 09: 57 New
              0
              What are you talking about? The Russian military is responsible for the security of the western border of Armenia - with Turkey. In the east - from the direction of Az.R. there has never been a Russian military (the issue of Nakhichevan is a separate one).
        6. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 16: 04 New
          0
          Quote: Bakht
          Come have a treat.

          The people here are treated, all to Bakhtiyar. Halyava fellow
          1. Bakht
            Bakht 23 December 2015 16: 25 New
            +3
            The entrance is free. Pay only at the exit !!!!
      2. Imperial
        Imperial 23 December 2015 13: 05 New
        +5
        Yes, and very rarely there have been comments from Azerbaijan .. sorry. People commented very correctly, politely and argumously - it was very pleasing.
        Yes, as Apollo died, he rest in peace, less and less, a pity of course, and even then, after such opuses about the flag, you need to ban it.
    2. Mjohn
      Mjohn 23 December 2015 12: 52 New
      -2
      It would be nice if Turkey was your enemy. Without her support, quickly make peace with the Armenians
      1. gray smeet
        gray smeet 23 December 2015 12: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: MJohn
        It would be nice if Turkey was your enemy.


        Is this a serious person talking?
        1. Mjohn
          Mjohn 23 December 2015 12: 57 New
          0
          All three Transcaucasian republics have something to hate. They need to be driven from the South Caucasus region
          1. 416D
            416D 23 December 2015 13: 52 New
            +2
            "All three Transcaucasian republics have something to hate it for. They must be driven from the South Caucasus region."

            Wake up pliz before typing rubbish
            1. Mjohn
              Mjohn 23 December 2015 14: 20 New
              -1
              Georgians converted genocide to Islam, Armenians genocide, And you destroyed the Sevid Empire ... hi
              But no, Armenians are still bad laughing
              1. Bakht
                Bakht 23 December 2015 14: 35 New
                +7
                Who destroyed the Safavid Empire? Turks? They fought, yes. But not the Turks destroyed it.

                The Armenians were not bad for us. Until 1988, there were
                - Two Armenian schools with instruction ONLY in Armenian;
                - radio station in Armenian;
                - newspaper in Armenian;
                - half of my teachers in the school were Armenians;
                - the professor is an Armenian at the institute (there is still a signature in my record
                - The mass of Armenians in the Prosecutor

                The list is endless. My friends are Armenians and I did not quarrel with anyone. Armenians are not bad people. Like Azerbaijanis and Russians and Americans. I have friends in the States. But Armenia has embarked on the path of aggression and the seizure of foreign territories. Armenia is bad. Then I agree.

                Do you catch the difference? Politics of Armenia and Armenians. US politics and Americans.
                1. Butchcassidy
                  Butchcassidy 30 December 2015 10: 05 New
                  0
                  So there were Russians in Az. SSR and where are they now?

                  The family of my friend from work left Baku in 3 days. And there was darkness. Why do you think so?
            2. Weyland
              Weyland 24 December 2015 02: 43 New
              -2
              Quote: 416D
              Wake up pliz before typing rubbish


              It's just that people better remember you history - in particular, the confrontation between Kara-Koyunlu and Ak-Koyunlu on religious grounds ...
    3. knn54
      knn54 23 December 2015 13: 16 New
      +7
      -Bakht: Azerbaijan is not an enemy of the Russian Federation. In any case, the country's leadership.
      Subscribe to ALL elite?
      Assad is strong in that the Syrian elite (with rare exceptions) remained with it.
      And a mature thought was expressed by the Muscovite, it is necessary to develop agriculture. Given the presence of such a market as the Russian Federation, taking into account the "depreciation" of the manat and the departure of the Turks, it is high time. Otherwise, you won't last long on oil alone.
      PS Brandy "Blue Lake". "Agstafa" port wine. "Kurdamir" kagor, "Azerbaijan Bouquet" tea, pomegranate juice and not to list everything.
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 23 December 2015 13: 41 New
        +2
        And what is "elite"? I subscribe for the leadership. I see it by facts.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 16: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: knn54
        ,pomegranate juice

        Ours buy it natural in Azerbaijan and here are body-KAZLY!
    4. Victor jnnjdfy
      Victor jnnjdfy 23 December 2015 13: 26 New
      +4
      "Bakht AZ Today, 12:28 pm

      The comments are impressive. As I understand it, no one understands anything. Like the author of the article by the way.

      Azerbaijan is not an enemy of the Russian Federation. In any case, the country's leadership. At the household level ...? How are Azerbaijanis viewed at the household level in Russia? The answer is the same. "

      About the "everyday level" of relations between Azerbaijanis and Russians, due to the fact that Russians "consider" them accordingly ... Do Russians go to work in Baku, just like Azerbaijanis to Moscow or St. Petersburg? Why is it necessary to consider both those and others in the same way, if the situation is completely different? And how many Russians remained after the collapse of the USSR in Azerbaijan (I'm not talking about the Armenians)?
      Azerbaijanis know how to trade. Well, to your health! Enough space in Russia and for them with their goods and cafes. The fact that the formula "not for fear, but for conscience" does not apply to Azerbaijanis - well, excuse me ... This is the mentality of this people. When fear is lost, then he, the visiting people, often begins to become impudent. Many locals don't like it, there's nothing to be done about it. But Russians do not go to work in Azerbaijan, so there is nothing to compare ...
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 23 December 2015 13: 46 New
        0
        Is your economy outweighed by culture? If you don’t go to work, then you can’t compare? The difference in wages, market capacity, unemployment rate .... A lot of factors why do not go.
      2. 416D
        416D 23 December 2015 13: 51 New
        +7
        "And how many Russians remained after the collapse of the USSR in Azerbaijan (I'm not talking about the Armenians)?"
        If I’m not mistaken, at least 150. There are hundreds of secondary schools in the Russian sector and several universities.

        "This is the mentality of this people."
        I think it’s incorrect to judge the mentality of the whole people on the example of trade and catering workers

        "When fear is lost, then he, the visiting people, often begins to become impudent."
        You can't argue with that. The impudent ones need to be "taught"))
        1. Victor jnnjdfy
          Victor jnnjdfy 23 December 2015 14: 49 New
          +5
          "416D AZ Today, 13:51 ↑ New

          "And how many Russians remained after the collapse of the USSR in Azerbaijan (I'm not talking about the Armenians)?"
          If I’m not mistaken, at least 150. There are hundreds of secondary schools in the Russian sector and several universities.

          "This is the mentality of this people."
          I think it’s incorrect to judge the mentality of the whole people on the example of trade and catering workers

          "When fear is lost, then he, the visiting people, often begins to become impudent."
          You can't argue with that. The impudent ones need to be "taught")) "

          ANSWER:
          About 400 thousand Russians lived in Azerbaijan under the USSR, and now a little more than 100 ... Less than your 150 thousand, exactly ...

          I also have a Soviet army experience of interethnic relations, not just the present one. There were no "trade and public catering workers" yet. And I respect the Tajik janitor, who is a conscientious worker, and the Azerbaijanis from the shops near my house, who are always attentive to customers. You can be a good person and a simple worker, or you can be an academician and a decent s ... ch. But these are particulars, and I spoke in general.

          By the way, about mentality and "study". Barely, an Azerbaijani starts to complain "upward" about harassment and insults. But he "learns" quickly.

          We ourselves would also like to adopt something from visitors. For example, respect for elders. An Uzbek is more likely to give way to an elderly person in transport than we are. Or try to see an Armenian who would lie drunk under a fence ..
          1. 416D
            416D 23 December 2015 15: 00 New
            0
            "Under the USSR, there were about 400 thousand Russians living in Azerbaijan, and now a little more than 100 ..."

            Yes, about 300 thousand Russians and about 2 million Azerbaijanis left. The economic turmoil of the 90s is a direct reason for this.
            1. Butchcassidy
              Butchcassidy 30 December 2015 10: 08 New
              0
              This was due to completely different processes. For example, the slogans "Russians do not leave! We need slaves and will forgive ... weavers!"
        2. Butchcassidy
          Butchcassidy 30 December 2015 10: 06 New
          0
          You just write how many Russians were before, and then after. After all, everything is known in comparison.
    5. worldofpain
      worldofpain 23 December 2015 14: 07 New
      0
      As for dolma with vodka, this is of course your national beautiful color, but in general it is customary to be friends not for commercial interest. No offense.
    6. worldofpain
      worldofpain 23 December 2015 14: 07 New
      0
      As for dolma with vodka, this is of course your national beautiful color, but in general it is customary to be friends not for commercial interest. No offense.
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 23 December 2015 14: 16 New
        +7
        Because of my age, I only read labels on bottles. :-) But I won’t refuse a glass of good wine. :-)
        1. novobranets
          novobranets 23 December 2015 15: 45 New
          0
          Quote: Bakht
          ) But I won’t refuse a glass of good wine

          From the Bayan Shirei? Thing. good
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 23 December 2015 12: 30 New
    +2
    Poor states, allies half of Europe, but no, few. Azerbaijan must become a great ally !!!
  • Andryukha G
    Andryukha G 23 December 2015 12: 30 New
    +5
    The country that supports or begins to support Russia on the world stage ceases to be democratic in the eyes of "the most exclusive and democratic state in the world"
  • veksha50
    veksha50 23 December 2015 12: 30 New
    +4
    "The United States by its actions is simply pushing Azerbaijan into our arms" ...

    Hmm ... Strange, abrupt, unexpected ...

    Well, now our rulers and the Foreign Ministry need to think in order not to lose Azerbaijan, like others ...
  • Mera joota
    Mera joota 23 December 2015 12: 32 New
    -2
    The United States, by its actions, is simply pushing Azerbaijan into our arms.

    Where the hell are such conclusions? If the author were Turkish or Chinese, then it’s clear ... The Armenian diaspora in the USA is very strong and the forcing of the Karabakh issue by Azerbaijan forces them to act tough by imposing sanctions. It’s just that they don’t make sense, Aliyev the younger seems to have sworn an oath in front of his father’s grave to return the Azerbaijanis to Karabakh ... Well, the support of Turkey and China clearly encourages Aliyev.
  • mag nit
    mag nit 23 December 2015 12: 32 New
    +1
    If Ukraine joins the sanctions ... It's scary to think.
  • Samen
    Samen 23 December 2015 12: 32 New
    +9
    Let's hope that the protracted Karabakh conflict will finally resolve ... Turkogan would still have to knock on his paws so that he does not climb into the region. And then the "Silk Road" will acquire the strength of the "steel" road.
  • BOB044
    BOB044 23 December 2015 12: 33 New
    +2
    Until someone helps the United States. Whatever they shit in their pants, they will blow their cheeks and imagine themselves the navel of the whole earth. Zasr ... they are ordinary.
  • barclay
    barclay 23 December 2015 12: 34 New
    0
    Is the author in a hurry with conclusions? Even if everything is so, one should not forget that Azerbaijan certainly has its own opposition to which the Americans will "knock wedges". They know how to play "for a long time". And our leadership must certainly use this situation to strengthen its position in the region. And we need to somehow untie the knot of the Karabakh conflict.
  • Bakht
    Bakht 23 December 2015 12: 34 New
    +4
    http://ru.oxu.az/war/108408

    But worst of all is Karabakh. Aliyev flatly refused to quarrel and fight with Sargsyan! After their recent talks, successful de-escalation continued in the region, which the States so diligently pumped the last 3 of the year on both sides. But both sides ended up choosing a “lean world.” And it overwhelmed Washington's patience.


    The author amazingly sees the world. 110 fire strikes per day - is this the world? It seems that even in Donetsk they don’t shoot so much.
    1. gray smeet
      gray smeet 23 December 2015 12: 41 New
      +2
      Yes, here all the comrades noticed no docking ...

      Nevertheless, it seems to me that everyone wants peace and tranquility to be there already ...
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 12: 48 New
      -6
      Quote: Bakht
      110 fire strikes per day - is this the world?

      Do you want Karabakh to finally give Armenia?
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 23 December 2015 12: 49 New
        +3
        Why is this such a conclusion?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 15: 05 New
          +1
          Quote: Bakht
          Why is this such a conclusion?

          Well, what is the point of a shootout there
          1. Bakht
            Bakht 23 December 2015 15: 22 New
            +1
            There are no observers, no peacekeepers. Who arranges a shootout you will not prove. If you read the link, then shoot from both sides. But skirmishes just do not mean that we are going to present Karabakh. Rather, the opposite.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 15: 40 New
              +1
              Quote: Bakht
              . Who arranges the shootings you can not prove

              And if logically, the Armenians got their own, why the hell would they shoot you? you want to take back Karabakh and the world in this region you definitely do not need, hence the shootings. Only this makes no sense.
              And as for who prove who shot, I’m not a prosecutor. And so it is clear to whom it is beneficial. The Armenians in you without our permission and fart in your direction will not be anything to shoot.
              Quote: Bakht
              But skirmishes just do not mean that we are going to present Karabakh. Rather, the opposite.

              Which in turn proves who shoots first. But alas, Karabakh will not be yours anymore. Russia is no longer the same, it had to be returned before, but Aliev preferred to crumple the rolls.
              Although I personally don’t need Karabakh. And deep down the drum to whom exactly does this unfortunate piece of land belong.
              1. Bakht
                Bakht 23 December 2015 16: 10 New
                +3
                I do not agree on any point :-)

                Last year, skirmishes began unexpectedly. And so unexpectedly, there was neither a president in the country, nor a defense minister. Our minister had to urgently return from a business trip. The shootings were stopped because almost the presidents went into the trenches. There is no clearly bad and good. In Armenia, too, there are different trends. Settle the war profitable Anglo-Saxons. And therefore, there will always be commanders in the field who will arrange provocations. And on both sides. No one will prove anything. Armenian helicopters (not Karabakh but Armenian) fly over the very front line.

                Who won what is a difficult question. Armenia won one battle and lost the war. From the point of view of geopolitics, the war is lost by Armenia. And therefore, Armenia will provoke military operations in order to achieve final victory. But Azerbaijan is not the same as in the early 90s.

                So my opinion is that Azerbaijan should by any means return the occupied 6 regions. And with Karabakh itself, it will then be possible to reach political agreements. I offer peace. But on mutual concessions. So provocations are quite
                possible from the Armenian side.

                It just seems that Armenia got what it wanted. She didn't get a damn thing. Only isolation and chaos in the economy.
                1. Weyland
                  Weyland 24 December 2015 02: 55 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Bakht
                  Armenia won one battle and lost the war. From the point of view of geopolitics, the war is lost by Armenia.


                  Arguing!

                  Quote: Bakht
                  Azerbaijan must by any means return the occupied 6 regions


                  Is that economic. But the military - you can’t. But if you manage, it will be worse for you: the world community will not allow you to deport Armenians, and to fight with the partisans is like a knife with a knife (s). And the fact that Armenian terrorists are very cool is well known from history! Karabakh is mountains, but your mountaineers are only Talyshs and Lezghins, who themselves would not mind being sovereign. How many years has Russia fought with Chechnya? And she won according to the classical scheme tested by Sasha the Great: to kill some leaders, buy some. So that...
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            2. shark
              shark 23 December 2015 15: 44 New
              +2
              You just do not be offended. From personal. He talked a lot with Azerbaijanis and Armenians on this topic. And they both say the same thing. Word by word. And I, I think. Maybe you should not shoot. And swallow grudges and try to talk. It can really give the two countries independence to Karabakh. Whatever the one or the other. And to both countries to help him. Common themes, concerns will appear. God willing make peace. That's just the temperament of both nations, God forbid. And here, a decent and reasonable mediator is needed. In my opinion, Russia may be suitable for this role. After all, actions are connected rather than words.
            3. Victor jnnjdfy
              Victor jnnjdfy 23 December 2015 15: 57 New
              +1
              Listen, is it then possible for the Armenians to say that the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh, inhabited by the Armenians, was donated by the Bolsheviks to Soviet Azerbaijan in 1921 (I can be wrong with the date)? And are you going to fight again instead of somehow agreeing with the Armenians? Perhaps you say that it is impossible to agree with them in a good way?
              1. Bakht
                Bakht 23 December 2015 16: 13 New
                0
                Who was inhabited by whom is a question for the historian. Nobody gave anything to anyone. There were an agreement. For example, Azerbaijan presented Yerevan with Armenia. There are documents.

                I said a hundred times. Leave Karabakh for later. On the territory of Azerbaijan are the occupying forces of Armenia. 6 areas will be liberated then we will talk. Otherwise, war. By the way, I am against the war, but I must get out of the ceasefire. It’s not respected anyway.
                1. Victor jnnjdfy
                  Victor jnnjdfy 23 December 2015 16: 51 New
                  +3
                  Historians will lead us to the State of Urartu, and even to some Transcaucasian Neanderthals ... And from what is known for certain, in the beginning of the 20s Nagorno-Karabakh, populated by Armenians, Bolsheviks, was transferred to Soviet Azerbaijan, and at the end of 30- x Azerbaijan stripped Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia of a common border. The fact, as Comrade used to say. Woland, the most stubborn thing in the world ... Do you again want to strip Karabakh and Armenia from the common border? Oh well...
                  Was Yerevan presented to Azerbaijan by Armenia? When and where? Enlighten me, because the first time I hear about it.
                  1. Bakht
                    Bakht 23 December 2015 16: 56 New
                    0
                    I cited a document on this site. There were no Azerbaijanis in Karabakh in the 20s? What was the common border between Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh? History is a strange thing. separate documents are torn and are already waving slogans. The transfer of Yerevan to Armenia was decided at the Transcaucasian Diet. In exchange for giving up Nagorno-Karabakh. If you want to know everything about this conflict, then the Neanderthals do not need to. A hundred years is enough. Say from 1915 to 2015.
                    1. Bakht
                      Bakht 23 December 2015 17: 04 New
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                      On May 29, 1918, the Armenian delegation turned to the National Council of ADR with a request to meet with it in the current circumstances and cede Iravan. At the same time, unprecedented pressure was exerted on Azerbaijan by the Entente powers, which made it clear that they did not recognize the independence of the ADR until a significant territory was ceded to the Armenians. That is, it was pure blackmail.

                      Certain instructions on this subject were given to the National Council of ADRs by the Ottoman Empire, which Germany supported in this matter. Azerbaijani parliamentarians were advised not to persist, not to aggravate the situation, but to cede land. The Turks were worried that the Armenian state would be created on Turkish lands - on the territory of Kars, Igdir, etc. Thus, the Ottoman Empire secured itself and its lands.

                      What is most interesting, the Armenian state was initially only temporarily created on the territory of Irevan and neighboring Azerbaijani lands. That is why it was called Ararat, because it aspired to the Turkish lands of Kars, Igdir, Van and other provinces.
                      1. Victor jnnjdfy
                        Victor jnnjdfy 23 December 2015 17: 24 New
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                        It will be difficult for you to agree with Armenia with your arguments ... God forbid, if your ADR existed for two years in a general mess and confusion after the collapse of the Russian Empire ... And then, in it (ADR) they ruled where the Turks and where the British. Then the Red Army entered the territory of the ADR and that’s all ... It’s just not serious to refer to the ADR. That is, if the Zaporizhzhya region now demands independence, referring to the days of Old Man Makhno ...
                      2. Bakht
                        Bakht 23 December 2015 17: 52 New
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                        You asked for a document, I gave it. As an argument to use it makes no sense. Just like appealing to Neanderthals.

                        There are independent republics. At that time, they all existed for a couple of years. This is not an argument.

                        Negotiating is always difficult. Especially if one is declared and the other for real purposes.
                      3. Victor jnnjdfy
                        Victor jnnjdfy 23 December 2015 19: 09 New
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                        Have you read what I answered you?
                        What are the independent republics? ADR, in which everything was decided where the Turks and where the British, and then the Red Army came and the shop closed ...
                        It is amusing that the meeting of the Muslim National Council decided to cede the Armenians to Yerevan, while sitting in Tbilisi. And you put an equal sign between the Ministry of Taxes and Taxes and Azerbaijan ... Aren't you funny yourself?
                        About the Contracts. There is a parity of forces, then there is peace. Someone considered himself stronger - there is a temptation to offend the weaker. Therefore, parity will be maintained so that you do not start any military adventure. A LITTLE WORLD ALWAYS BETTER THAN A GOOD BREAK.
                      4. Bakht
                        Bakht 23 December 2015 20: 22 New
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                        If you are as serious as I am, then ask yourself questions.

                        You have a discrepancy in logical constructions

                        You started with the fact that the Bolsheviks presented Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan. That was almost 100 years ago. I brought you a document that the same 100 years ago Irevan was presented to Armenia. If you do not consider one, then do not consider the other.

                        You refer to the fact that the ADR has existed for less than 2 years. Armenia also existed no more.

                        Armenia claims to Nagorno-Karabakh using the legends of Herodotus (not documents, but tales) two thousand years ago. And shakes some Great Armenians of the first century AD. Does it not upset you?

                        The facts are as follows. The state of Armenia during the collapse of the USSR (and even before the collapse of the USSR) attacked Azerbaijan in order to seize territories. Prior to this, ethnic cleansing was carried out in Armenia. Hundreds of thousands of Azerbaijanis FORCEDLY left Armenia. The land where they lived for centuries and where their ancestors are buried. Then ethnic cleansing was carried out in Karabakh. Tens of thousands of Azerbaijanis were expelled from their land. Then, as a result of the war, the Armenian armed forces captured 7 regions of Azerbaijan directly. Neither Fizuli, nor Jabrail, nor Aghdam have ever belonged to Nagorno-Karabakh.

                        You are right, it’s hard for us to come to an agreement with Armenia. I am in the minority in Azerbaijan, because I believe that if Armenia leaves the occupied territories (I’m talking about 6 districts), then we can agree with them. But since in Armenia ALWAYS considered the main goal not the right to self-determination but territorial seizure, it’s difficult to agree. Even a peacemaker like me, I think that the war is blazing. And Armenia will be guilty of this.

                        Tales about how oppressed Armenians in Azerbaijan do not tell. I lived here and worked for many years in Nagorno-Karabakh. There, even in the Azerbaijani language, few spoke. Only in Azerbaijani villages.

                        You just think how Armenia became a MONONATIONAL state? And who is the ally of Russia?

                        "... The measure of patriotic feelings is the degree of rejection of everything Russian: that is, the more I hate the Russian language, Russian books, Russian programs, Russian newspapers, etc., the more patriot I am" (Republic of Armenia, 1991, No. 32).
                        The Russian edition in the leading state publishing house of the republic was liquidated, and the first politically colored act of vandalism regarding the monument to Pushkin was committed in Armenia; almost simultaneously, a monument to Chekhov was demolished.
                        And after gaining independence, nowhere else, even in the Baltic states, Russian schools were closed so massively and unconditionally as in Armenia (only Western Ukraine is an analogy).
                      5. Weyland
                        Weyland 24 December 2015 03: 05 New
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                        Quote: Bakht
                        Armenia claims to Nagorno-Karabakh using the legends of Herodotus (not documents, but tales) two thousand years ago.


                        Maybe still Strabo? smile Herodotus does not write a word about the borders of Armenia ...
                        The funny thing is that you are on equal footing: both the territory of present-day Armenia was the far outskirts of Great Armenia (and even then only during its maximum expansion), and as part of historical Azerbaijan, except for the Nakhichevan region, no one a piece of the present raz never did not enter laughing
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        2. Butchcassidy
          Butchcassidy 30 December 2015 10: 17 New
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          Quote: Bakht
          For example, Azerbaijan presented Yerevan with Armenia.


          ;) Ahahahaha, and Tbilisi and Derbent are "ancient Azerbaijani cities", I read and read.
  • Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 30 December 2015 10: 16 New
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    As well as Ukraine in relation to Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk - we love you so much, for this, here you have shelling, energy and food blockade, non-payment of pensions, etc.
  • Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 30 December 2015 10: 14 New
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    This is not peace, of course, you are right. The question here is that if there is no tension on the border and calls and promises to return Karabakh, then there will be no opportunity and not to solve internal social issues.

    This is done for the internal consumer: look how good we are, it is not in vain that we have such a large military budget. And therefore, in our country it is far from being the same as in Qatar, despite solid oil and gas revenues over the past 25 years, everything happens due to the fact that the Karabakh issue has not been resolved ... We will solve this and then we will live. But no one is going to solve it. Only Russia or the USA can seize this territory taking into account geography, but not Az. R. even with the help of Turkey, which Davutoglu hinted at.

    Although Turkey is in fact a direct side of the conflict and is conducting military operations against Armenia, the blockade is a form of warfare.
  • novobranets
    novobranets 23 December 2015 12: 36 New
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    Azerbaijan ... and provided its airspace for the transfer of aircraft to Syria, abandoning the "urgent recommendations" of the United States to "refrain" from this step.
    After Turkey banned the RF Aerospace Forces from using its airspace, the Ams had a hope to extend the lives of their fosterlings from IS, it did not take long to rejoice and rub their hands, Azerbaijan ruined the holiday of the soul. Even the blind can see who is interested in prolonging the war in Syria. The amas can hammer their sanctions into a causal place, which they seem to think. Aliyev did not buy into the dubious promises of the Ams, and did not substitute his people for the "democrats", and he is absolutely right, this is worthy of respect. And overseas, let them fight in hysterics, and devour ties and underwear, the world ceases to consider them the best.
  • Comrade Zapirdulin
    Comrade Zapirdulin 23 December 2015 12: 39 New
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    Quote: rotmistr60
    The United States really began to resemble a hysterical woman (sorry for the expression), who, despite her wrongness, continues to believe that she is right to always and hysterically run into others.

    very capacious and apt wording of the political leadership of Sshashnikov, it’s enough to recall Madame Gandonoliz and Nehil

    how many wolves do not feed, but the elephant has a genital organ ... thicker (from the diary of a young naturalist)
  • Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 23 December 2015 12: 42 New
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    What a news!
    It remains only Georgia and not all of it.
  • Petrov K.
    Petrov K. 23 December 2015 12: 44 New
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    Tell me, how to allow foreign military vessels of the countries to the Caspian?
    Inland rivers? :)
    1. 416D
      416D 23 December 2015 13: 07 New
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      "Tell me, how can foreign warships of countries be allowed to the Caspian?"
      Inner rivers? :) "

      Through the Volga-Don canal you have to think :)
  • individual
    individual 23 December 2015 12: 45 New
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    US sanctions imposed on 20 states.
    Efficiency is not great, but the pressure on the rest of the world of vassals brings them visible submission.
    It cannot go on forever.
    It's one step from love to hatred! am
  • Comrade Zapirdulin
    Comrade Zapirdulin 23 December 2015 12: 49 New
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    Quote: seti
    It may sound cynical, but all these sanctions, coupled with the hysteria of America against Azerbaijan, are beneficial for Russia. That is, there is no longer a move to the right to the left, there is a choice and it is only one way. So we are waiting for you Azerbaijan in the EAEU in the near future. Well, all the others who shouted about good America, it’s time to think about it and is it really democratic and kind?

    I don’t know - I don’t know, we have one familiar well-known "dad", something about all the latest significant events put the language in the causal place and keeps it there ...

    how many wolves do not feed, but the elephant has a genital organ ... thicker (from the diary of a young naturalist)
  • Evgeniy-111
    Evgeniy-111 23 December 2015 12: 51 New
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    And how can warships of countries outside the Caspian Sea get into the Caspian Sea?
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 24 December 2015 03: 15 New
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      From the sea - only through the Volga-Don laughing
      If you do not consider the option of construction at the shipyards of Georgia and rafting on the Kura.
      But seriously - hypothetically, the Yankees could, for example, buy from RAz a ship already in the Caspian.
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  • Hiw
    Hiw 23 December 2015 12: 53 New
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    The Americans are great fellows, they just pour water on our mill, and now where is Azerbaijan to go - yes, of course to our shore, the Americans are either really stupid in Zadornovsky or their brain got angry with them, they don’t understand at all - they don’t like those who do the West not friends with them
    1. 416D
      416D 23 December 2015 13: 10 New
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      "dear" HIW,
      please bother to write the name of the country correctly.
      Not "Azerbaijan", but Azerbaijan. Thank you for understanding
  • atlantida04
    atlantida04 23 December 2015 12: 53 New
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    If Azerbaijan now gets out of this situation, then it will be possible to put the whole world on US sanctions
    1. Evgeny RS
      Evgeny RS 23 December 2015 12: 56 New
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      It is the whole world that must be put on the United States.
    2. 416D
      416D 23 December 2015 13: 12 New
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      "If Azerbaijan now gets out of this situation, then the whole world can put on US sanctions."

      Even Iran had a softer package of sanctions. X..reno..vo will be if you still approve.
      1. gray smeet
        gray smeet 23 December 2015 13: 22 New
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        Quote: 416D
        "If Azerbaijan now gets out of this situation, then the whole world can put on US sanctions."

        Even Iran had a softer package of sanctions. X..reno..vo will be if you still approve.


        Remember your grandfathers - they survived and we will stand ...
        1. 416D
          416D 23 December 2015 13: 41 New
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          "Remember your grandfathers - they withstood and we will stand ..."

          May God forbid the grandfathers to forget. Mine stood until 1942, then a wound and a demobilization.

          Well, we .... but where ours did not disappear - get out. To the extreme, let's go storm the Russian markets))))
          1. gray smeet
            gray smeet 23 December 2015 14: 17 New
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            Quote: 416D
            To the extreme, let's go storm the Russian markets))))


            We do not mind ... At times (!) Agricultural products of Azerbaijan are better than Turkish or European .....
            1. enhansment
              enhansment 24 December 2015 13: 16 New
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              Quote: gray smeet
              Quote: 416D
              To the extreme, let's go storm the Russian markets))))


              We do not mind ... At times (!) Agricultural products of Azerbaijan are better than Turkish or European .....

              And where does such confidence come from? After the imposition of sanctions, the Spanish and Azerbaijani persimmons were checked. The nitrate content in Spain is the norm, in Azerbaijan it is a dangerous level of nitrates. Spanish is also tastier (well, for me personally).
              In general, something is worse, something is better. But certainly not at times (!).
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 15: 43 New
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            Quote: 416D
            To the extreme we go to storm the Russian markets))

            Smiled laughing
            1. Butchcassidy
              Butchcassidy 31 December 2015 11: 03 New
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              Why storm them?)) Everything has been paid for a long time. Trade in agricultural products in this regard has not far gone from the entry of Turkish agricultural products into the Russian market. And relatives do this: Bir millet - Iki will do it! (One nation - two states!), As G. Aliyev said after Saparmurat Niyazov.
          3. Che Guevara
            Che Guevara 23 December 2015 16: 26 New
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            416D Thank you, for komenty, unlike many in this forum, you simply charge with positive emotions, as in the good old days.
            Almost the entire Union passed, and at that time there were no differences among the nat. accessories - then people were just kinder and God forbid / Alah, whose sorrow helped everyone in a crowd.
  • Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 23 December 2015 12: 55 New
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    A very unexpected surprise. The most important thing is that Aliyev is not going to run errands for staff members and that he will not succumb to any promises for his country. Action deserves respect! You can’t say the same about Ukraine, and in Russia there are plenty of zombies with the dollar and the Western way of life.
  • arjuna307
    arjuna307 23 December 2015 12: 56 New
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    And a year ago, the undisguised fury of the United States was caused by the decision of the “Caspian five”, which, according to the results of the summit in Astrakhan, decided not to allow any military vessels into the waters of the Caspian Sea, except for the ships of the “five” itself.
    The question arises: What other warships can there be?
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 23 December 2015 12: 59 New
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    Azerbaijan is certainly a hammer.
    Especially if you can withstand the pressure.
    And now he has exactly two ways, to us or to China.
    Or to Iran and China ...
    And the United States is clearly freaking out too inadequately.
    And in this regard, Chinese banks, alternative to Western ones,
    look very attractive indeed.
  • evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 23 December 2015 13: 09 New
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    Aliyev and Azerbaijan with dignity to withstand and repel the psychic attack of the enraged Obama and the United States. Do not give in to provocations, incl. "their" opposition.
  • gas-5903
    gas-5903 23 December 2015 13: 18 New
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    Living in Russia, Armenians and Azerbaijanis are friends, personal observation, and at home they are at war with each other, a paradox
    1. Mjohn
      Mjohn 23 December 2015 13: 23 New
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      There is a saying: "The conflict ends at the border"
    2. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 31 December 2015 11: 04 New
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      It happens often.
  • pts-m
    pts-m 23 December 2015 13: 23 New
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    in yankistan there are no popular sayings on the topic of good neighborly relations. they don’t know the saying ... a bad world is better than war. But they have a law that forbids dogs to mate closer than 300 meters from the church. and their gays are allowed. A country with a crooked slope.
  • Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 23 December 2015 13: 24 New
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    I have spoken and will repeat, not at all denying the sovereignty of the former Soviet republics, with the exception of the Balts, none of these countries has democracy in the sense that the rotten, rotten, decaying west imposes on us. They will put a spoke in every possible way, and if the shadow of RUSSIA did not stand behind the backs of these republics, one can say with 100% what happened to Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya. Let them draw a conclusion from this and think with their Central Asian heads, no matter how you "dance" in front of the West, all the same, YOU will not be able to pair with them. Either you live with Russia or you will simply be bombed, there will be no other options, WE are with YOU for them NOBODY.
  • Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 23 December 2015 13: 26 New
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    Two months have not passed since the international community, represented by the UN, condemned the sanctions without the participation of the UN, and declared them illegal. AND exceptional fascists again they will be stifled.

    There is an American science fiction novel "Star Corps"; there in the appendix describes the UN war against the United States using asteroid bombardment. laughing
    1. halida-h
      halida-h 24 December 2015 14: 58 New
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      Fiction ever becomes reality ... soldier
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 23 December 2015 13: 38 New
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    Is it time to ruffle the states. Claim human rights abuses against indigenous people Destroying the majority and driving the rest on the reservation and thereby violated their legal rights. Until now, Indians seem to be living as incompetent, do not have the right to enter into trade transactions, cannot speak in court, etc. It is necessary to attract the UN, international legal organizations and make porridge.
    1. alone
      alone 23 December 2015 21: 44 New
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      Quote: Ros 56
      Is it time to ruffle the states. Claim human rights abuses against indigenous people

      )))) Do you think this will help something? They do not care about claims. They have their own rules of the game.