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In Italy, the FREMM F 595 Frigate Launched

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In Genoa, the shipyard of the company "Fincantieri" launched another frigate class FREMM "Luigi Rizzo" (F 595), reports TSAMTO with reference to the press service of the enterprise.


In Italy, the FREMM F 595 Frigate Launched


"Luigi Rizzo" is the sixth ship of the series. The keel laying of the ship took place on 6 on September 2013 of the year. After launching, the frigate's additional equipment will continue at the naval shipyard in Muggiano (La Spezia), ”the message reads.

“Luigi Rizzo” is to become part of the Italian Navy in 2017. It is assumed that “FREMM ships will be replaced as part of the Italian fleet frigates of the Lupo and Maestral types built by the Fincantieri company in the 1970s. ”

The fifth Alpino frigate (F 594) was launched in December 2014. To date, the first two ships are fully operational - the F 590 and F 591.

Help edition: The frigate Luigi Rizzo has a length of 144 m, a width of 19,7 m and a total displacement of about 6700 m. 2500 nodes. The range of the frigate at a speed of 4 knots is about 32 nautical miles, autonomy is 16 days, the crew is about 27,5 people. ”
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  1. Sinister1
    Sinister1 22 December 2015 17: 26 New
    -3
    AvatarRadovoy
    Sinister1 Today, 17:22 New
    To the question of idleness and tolerance
    The banshee who is also that messenger who has risen on the faith of members of the forum forbids me to post comments.
    I’ve come to the post office, but the administrator of the numbers forbids comments ...
    , wiped everything including: Zrad or overpower ...
    in becomes censor
    1. Sinister1
      Sinister1 22 December 2015 17: 30 New
      0
      The Banshee was dribbling the loot that you gave to Novorosia, the trickster was once expelled from the site with shame, but then he found a patron (Smirnov) shared and shone like a Phoenix

      Information
      The site administrator was forbidden to leave comments on this site.

      This is what Nick Sinister displays.
      It’s not a site that’s become, but a garbage can for gay Romanov and the All-Destroyer Bansha thieves
      1. MIKHALYCH1
        MIKHALYCH1 22 December 2015 17: 34 New
        -3
        Quote: Sinister1
        The Banshee was dribbling the loot that you gave to Novorosia, the trickster was once expelled from the site with shame, but then he found a patron (Smirnov) shared and shone like a Phoenix

        Another offended ... WELL ENOUGH ALREADY! Do not like the site go away, everything is tough alas! hi
        1. Sinister1
          Sinister1 22 December 2015 17: 37 New
          +5
          Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
          Quote: Sinister1
          The Banshee was dribbling the loot that you gave to Novorosia, the trickster was once expelled from the site with shame, but then he found a patron (Smirnov) shared and shone like a Phoenix

          Another offended ... WELL ENOUGH ALREADY! Do not like the site go away, everything is tough alas! hi

          Offended here Mikhalych, Baikonur and others like them. You can only print slogans
          1. MIKHALYCH1
            MIKHALYCH1 22 December 2015 17: 49 New
            -4
            Quote: Sinister1
            Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
            Quote: Sinister1
            The Banshee was dribbling the loot that you gave to Novorosia, the trickster was once expelled from the site with shame, but then he found a patron (Smirnov) shared and shone like a Phoenix

            Another offended ... WELL ENOUGH ALREADY! Do not like the site go away, everything is tough alas! hi

            Offended here Mikhalych, Baikonur and others like them. You can only print slogans

            Well, we’re not always permissible ... At least we don’t hysterical .. Well, why are you so squabbling! Like a hysterical woman in the market for being fined .. laughing
            1. Sinister1
              Sinister1 22 December 2015 17: 51 New
              -4
              Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
              Quote: Sinister1
              Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
              Quote: Sinister1
              The Banshee was dribbling the loot that you gave to Novorosia, the trickster was once expelled from the site with shame, but then he found a patron (Smirnov) shared and shone like a Phoenix

              Another offended ... WELL ENOUGH ALREADY! Do not like the site go away, everything is tough alas! hi

              Offended here Mikhalych, Baikonur and others like them. You can only print slogans

              Well, we’re not always permissible ... At least we don’t hysterical .. Well, why are you so squabbling! Like a hysterical woman in the market for being fined .. laughing

              Of course, it is better to erase slogans, the level of a graduate of the school
          2. corn
            corn 22 December 2015 17: 52 New
            +3
            Quote: Sinister1
            others like them

            I do not write slogans, you can take an interest in my comments. My opinions often diverge from the opinions of "Sofa Marshals", but stoop to insinuations ...?
            So far I haven’t even set a minus for your inappropriate behavior, I am writing off your excessive emotionality.
            1. Sinister1
              Sinister1 22 December 2015 18: 01 New
              -1
              Quote: corn
              Quote: Sinister1
              others like them

              I do not write slogans, you can take an interest in my comments. My opinions often diverge from the opinions of "Sofa Marshals", but stoop to insinuations ...?
              So far I haven’t even set a minus for your inappropriate behavior, I am writing off your excessive emotionality.

              And minus, the nickname will live until Smirnov honors the site with his eye, every day he falls 7 for advertising, you can’t run the chicken, that he’s carrying golden eggs
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 22 December 2015 17: 42 New
        +4
        Quote: Sinister1
        Not a site has become a garbage can for gay romanov

        belay Where does infa come from? bully
        1. Sinister1
          Sinister1 22 December 2015 17: 45 New
          -1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: Sinister1
          Not a site has become a garbage can for gay romanov

          belay Where does infa come from? bully

          He didn’t erase it there, he called the forum member chubby and asked in private wassat
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 22 December 2015 17: 55 New
            +2
            Quote: Sinister1
            forum member called chubby and in private he asked

            Chur me! belay He also invited me to skype, together with Atalef .... repeat
            1. Sinister1
              Sinister1 22 December 2015 17: 56 New
              -2
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Quote: Sinister1
              forum member called chubby and in private he asked

              Chur me! belay He also invited me to skype, together with Atalef .... repeat

              Well take care wassat
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 22 December 2015 18: 06 New
                +5
                Quote: Sinister1
                Well take care

                I’ll beware, but as if with Atalef that did not work out! lol
                1. Sinister1
                  Sinister1 22 December 2015 18: 15 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Quote: Sinister1
                  Well take care

                  I’ll beware, but as if with Atalef that did not work out! lol

                  Well, remember the old Russian proverb: once not ... wassat
            2. opus
              opus 22 December 2015 19: 05 New
              +5
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Chur me! He also invited me to skype, together with Atalef ....

              Quote: Sinister1
              Banshee Deribanil loot, which you gave Novorosiya, ushlepok

              Why did I miss something interesting?

              Communication with F-595
              Quote: Author
              In Italy, the FREMM F 595 Frigate Launched

              some kind of manifestation?
              Or between?
              sad
              1. 78bor1973
                78bor1973 23 December 2015 00: 28 New
                +2
                What are you talking about goblins about? I look at the conclusions on the topic, but no, they went to the left!
        2. sssla
          sssla 23 December 2015 00: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: Sinister1
          Not a site has become a garbage can for gay Romanov

          repeat repeat repeat
      3. corn
        corn 22 December 2015 17: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: Sinister1
        and shone like a phoenix

        Will you live without kings? -
        The soldier said: “Please!”
        “And you without your guard?”
        - Well no! - said the king. (S.Ya. Marshak)
        Do you want to set your own rules on someone else’s site?
        If the site ceases to suit me, I will leave it (I will live without a site, and the site without us is not).
        If you think that the site violates the laws, then you can fight in court. The site is under media law.
        And by publishing your comments you fall under the law of lies.
        HOW?
        1. Sinister1
          Sinister1 22 December 2015 17: 48 New
          -4
          Quote: corn
          Quote: Sinister1
          and shone like a phoenix

          Will you live without kings? -
          The soldier said: “Please!”
          “And you without your guard?”
          - Well no! - said the king. (S.Ya. Marshak)
          Do you want to set your own rules on someone else’s site?
          If the site ceases to suit me, I will leave it (I will live without a site, but the site without us is not).
          If you think that the site violates the laws, then you can fight in court. The site is under media law.
          And by publishing your comments you fall under the law of lies.
          HOW?

          What did I lie to? I quoted from a block: I am not allowed to write comments. And the fact that Banshee is a thief and so all forum users know, and he was good at it ... They raped that he scribble articles against the DPR
          1. corn
            corn 22 December 2015 18: 02 New
            +4
            Quote: Sinister1
            Banshee thief

            Until proven in court - a lie, by the way, is also an insult. I speak from a formal point of view of the law. And in childhood, adolescence, I, communicating "on the street", I realized that you need to answer for the words (this is by definition).
            You, of course, arranged a noble srach. I don’t want to participate in it anymore.
            1. Sinister1
              Sinister1 22 December 2015 18: 07 New
              -3
              Quote: corn
              Quote: Sinister1
              Banshee thief

              Until proven in court - a lie, by the way, is also an insult. I speak from a formal point of view of the law. And in childhood, adolescence, when I was talking "on the street", I realized that you need to answer for words (this is by concept).
              You, of course, arranged a noble srach. I don’t want to participate in it anymore.

              , shall I sue this skunk? It is only under the guise of a moderator that, like Romanovich, the world is still unfinished as his ashes.
              If I sue every goat, I don’t have enough time for sex wassat
              And Atalef is a snitch, right there Romanovich gave me the info about me
              1. kil 31
                kil 31 22 December 2015 18: 15 New
                +3
                Quote: Sinister1
                Quote: corn
                Quote: Sinister1
                Banshee thief

                Until proven in court - a lie, by the way, is also an insult. I speak from a formal point of view of the law. And in childhood, adolescence, when I was talking "on the street", I realized that you need to answer for words (this is by concept).
                You, of course, arranged a noble srach. I don’t want to participate in it anymore.

                , shall I sue this skunk? It is only under the guise of a moderator that, like Romanovich, the world is still unfinished as his ashes.
                If I sue every goat, I don’t have enough time for sex wassat
                And Atalef is a snitch, right there Romanovich gave me the info about me

                You again quarreled with the “partner” and again came to the site to throw a tantrum?
                1. Sinister1
                  Sinister1 22 December 2015 18: 40 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Kil 31
                  Quote: Sinister1
                  Quote: corn
                  Quote: Sinister1
                  Banshee thief

                  Until proven in court - a lie, by the way, is also an insult. I speak from a formal point of view of the law. And in childhood, adolescence, when I was talking "on the street", I realized that you need to answer for words (this is by concept).
                  You, of course, arranged a noble srach. I don’t want to participate in it anymore.

                  , shall I sue this skunk? It is only under the guise of a moderator that, like Romanovich, the world is still unfinished as his ashes.
                  If I sue every goat, I don’t have enough time for sex wassat
                  And Atalef is a snitch, right there Romanovich gave me the info about me

                  You again quarreled with the “partner” and again came to the site to throw a tantrum?

                  Are you not happy with your sex life and want to talk about it? wassat
                  Perversion in the form of Lenin is cool
                2. Basarev
                  Basarev 22 December 2015 18: 43 New
                  +3
                  The secret is clear: Zlyden1 wanted to stick to the bounties and budget of the funds that are being spent on advertising, he also wanted to grab a piece of deductions to New Russia ... However, in both cases he was tactfully sent. So he got angry.
                  1. Sinister1
                    Sinister1 22 December 2015 18: 55 New
                    0
                    Quote: Basarev
                    The secret is clear: Zlyden1 wanted to stick to the bounties and budget of the funds that are being spent on advertising, he also wanted to grab a piece of deductions to New Russia ... However, in both cases he was tactfully sent. So he got angry.

                    I have enough of my own. No need to spread their mriy to everyone. XOxla dreams all at once for me and for free.
                    Well, try not to bite (bite) and lick it to you more conveniently
                    Basarev sneak !!! That sounds!
                  2. marlin1203
                    marlin1203 22 December 2015 20: 15 New
                    +8
                    What about the frigate, iksperdy? laughing
                  3. Aleks tv
                    Aleks tv 22 December 2015 20: 19 New
                    +3
                    If anyone is interested:

                    I know Roman Banshee personally.
                    More than once I saw how he simply laid out his own money on trips related to Military Review. And so constantly.
                    Silently, calmly and ... irrevocably))).

                    Moreover, almost at his own expense (somewhere and a chipper with friends) he is pulling military-patriotic work in one small town.
                    The result affected this fall - about seven guys from the group entered military schools.

                    Something like that.

                    ........
                    Well, the fact that the sinister about Apollo remembered in this vein ... So it is completely unworthy of respect.
                    To know this "old bird", just remember that he Azir cleaned his feathers ...
                    Heh.
                3. sssla
                  sssla 23 December 2015 00: 17 New
                  0
                  Quote: Kil 31
                  You again quarreled with the “partner” and again came to the site to throw a tantrum?

                  Yes, that person got it !! )))
                  I don’t know about the Banshees, but the rest is "a bit" !!! )))
                4. sssla
                  sssla 23 December 2015 11: 01 New
                  0
                  Quote: Kil 31
                  You again quarreled with the “partner” and again came to the site to throw a tantrum?

                  Yes, the man cuts the truth !!! )))
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  2. Altona
    Altona 22 December 2015 17: 27 New
    +8
    Quickly build however, quite fast. 2 years and a frigate, get-sign.
  3. alekc73
    alekc73 22 December 2015 17: 28 New
    11
    We built a frigate (6700t destroyer) in three years. In 2017, as part of the fleet. We would have such a pace. hi
    1. dyksi
      dyksi 22 December 2015 17: 50 New
      +6
      I agree, a little even enviable, it is a pity that nothing is written about the weapons. Italians are good shipbuilders, in World War II, because of the mediocrity of admirals, they lost so many beautiful ships, which even Churchill admired.
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      2. creak
        creak 22 December 2015 18: 10 New
        +5
        Quote: dyksi
        Italians shipbuilders are good


        It is no coincidence that the USSR, before the Second World War, worked very closely with Italy in the design and construction of ships for our Navy.
        The leader of the Tashkent Black Sea Fleet was designed and built by Italy, Ansaldo company helped build power plants for other ships ...
        Very pragmatic, without ideological blushing, our leadership approached cooperation with a country where Mussolini ruled ...
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 22 December 2015 19: 14 New
          +2
          Only one thing is bad: in such cooperation with foreigners they completely lost their shipbuilding school. Since Peter's times, at least - he was eager to be friends with the gums with the Dutch there. However, the result was not achieved: the Russians were not recognized as true Europeans.
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 22 December 2015 21: 51 New
            +3
            Quote: Basarev
            Since Peter's times, at least - he was eager to be friends with the gums with the Dutch there.
            Peter ruined the national shipbuilding school? wassat so to speak, all the rooks under the ax?))
          2. Albert1988
            Albert1988 22 December 2015 22: 29 New
            +3
            Quote: Basarev
            Only one thing is bad: in such cooperation with foreigners they completely lost their shipbuilding school.

            The problem is that before Peter we did not have this school as such - more or less serious ships were rarely and haphazardly built, the same "Eagle" under Alexei Mikhailovich was built under the close supervision of the Dutch. Petya didn’t “kiss” the Dutch, but adopted the technology, primarily the construction of large sea ships. Then our shipbuilding school was in crisis more than once, but its most serious decline occurred only after the collapse of the Union!
            1. Basarev
              Basarev 23 December 2015 05: 53 New
              0
              But what about the fleet of Oleg, with whom they went to Constantinople? Each will confirm that fishing boats cannot be trampled against a superpower. Therefore, it is obvious that in ancient Russia there was a full-fledged navy capable of fighting the Byzantine at least on an equal footing. But according to the general line of the party in Russia before Christianity, there was nothing but savagery, barbarism and dark horror.
              1. Albert1988
                Albert1988 23 December 2015 09: 10 New
                +2
                Firstly, about the argument "Everyone will confirm" - this is just the finish, I just don’t know what to answer to such over-argumentation)))))
                But seriously - do you even think about which ships were built during Oleg's time in Russia and how they differed from most ships of Europe, and which ships were built in Russia in the 17th-18th centuries and which in Europe in the same period, if compare, you will understand that Petya pulled Russia out of the dense shipbuilding and technological stagnation as a whole.
                As for Christianity, then your passage is inappropriate - Petya was an atheist and could not stand priests ...
                1. Basarev
                  Basarev 23 December 2015 16: 06 New
                  -1
                  Yes, religion has nothing to do with it. I just wanted to write that once they had a magnificent fleet of their own type, and then, for the sake of friendship with foreigners, they ruined everything.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 23 December 2015 19: 04 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Basarev
                    magnificent fleet of its own type

                    There is such a thing as progress. In the era of Peter, he was no longer magnificent, so he had to study.
                    1. Basarev
                      Basarev 23 December 2015 20: 50 New
                      -1
                      But this does not give the right to betray their shipbuilding traditions. And Peter betrayed them.
                      1. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 23 December 2015 21: 16 New
                        0
                        Quote: Basarev
                        But this does not give the right to betray their shipbuilding traditions. And Peter betrayed them.

                        You can not betray what is not !!!!
                        What is “shipbuilding tradition” is primarily a school of master shipbuilders, if we had a developed shipbuilding school at the turn of the 17th and 18th centuries with a bunch of shipyards and a bunch of shipbuilders with such experience, and Petya he took, drove everyone out and invited solid foreigners, then yes - you could talk about betrayal, BUT! At that time we didn’t have any master shipbuilders capable of building large sea sailing ships, or permanent sea shipyards where they could work; in fact, we had no access to the ice-free seas. And after Peter, in spite of all the imported Dutch, the craftsmen who built the river and pomeranian ships did not disappear, and this school was almost preserved until the 19th century.
                        And then, if we talk about foreigners, then you need to learn a little history here - foreigners went massively in Russia back in the days of Alexei Mikhailovich! And German settlements grew like mushrooms, and regiments of the new system were created, and they consisted, for a minute, of foreign mercenaries for the most part. That is, it turns out, according to your logic, has Alexey Mikhailovich already betrayed everything? Did his eldest son Fedor want to betray?
                  2. Albert1988
                    Albert1988 23 December 2015 21: 19 New
                    0
                    Quote: Basarev
                    I just wanted to write that they once had a magnificent fleet of their own type

                    Only this "own fleet" is out of date, for a minute, almost 800 years from the word absolutely, and the new modern Maritime we weren’t able to build a fleet, alas, for we had no access to the seas except the White Sea, so we built only river ships, the construction of which Peter's reforms did not affect in any way ...
  4. Specialist 77
    Specialist 77 22 December 2015 17: 30 New
    +3
    are consolidating slowly ... positively .... in light of the fact that Italy was, as it were, against the extension of sanctions ... is it really a shadow ally? ....
    1. Extraneous
      Extraneous 22 December 2015 18: 17 New
      +1
      There is a hypothesis in nature that Musolinini diligently pretended to hate Stalin, but in fact did business in such a way that he spoiled Hitler’s entire kitchen with his actions. Hence, allegedly, the small successes of Italians on the fronts of the world.
      An interesting look at Italians.
      All subsequent history periodically shows that Italians are much better in Russia than the rest of Europe.
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 22 December 2015 17: 31 New
    -3
    And armed with what? What do Italians have super-duper anti-submarine-anti-ship? And so - nothing special, except that they build quickly.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 22 December 2015 17: 44 New
      +9
      This:
      8 RCC Tesseo with the possibility of attacks on ground targets, directly from the package (software translation to GPS and downloading a location map with a route).
      good torpedoes MU90 - 50 knots -10km, 29 knots - 23 km = caliber 324. Analog PACKAGE-NK (or rather the Package was built as an answer to this and the American).
      plus can be placed missile torpedoes MILAS, only on the Italian.
      SAM 16 cells under ASTER-30 + ASTER-15.
      2 helicopter.

      Moreover, the Italian is more stuffed with electronics, Huck, than the Frenchman.
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 22 December 2015 19: 07 New
        +1
        There were like 48 cells under Aster. No?
    2. Atrix
      Atrix 22 December 2015 18: 35 New
      +5
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      What do Italians have super - anti-submarine duper - anti-ship

      I am always surprised by comments of this kind. How do you know what weapons and how they will behave in real combat. The same can be said about Soviet-Russian armament. Do you have real data on military use or you were told on the Zvezda channel that it has no analogues.
    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 23 December 2015 01: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And armed with what?

      The main thing is that he is able to carry SCALP Naval-type rocket engines with a range of up to 1000 km.
  6. MIKHALYCH1
    MIKHALYCH1 22 December 2015 17: 37 New
    0
    The Italians re-equip their fleet .. Well done! But no matter how it all happened to us sideways ...
    1. Belarus
      Belarus 22 December 2015 17: 41 New
      +2
      belay Why would it suddenly and even sideways? It’s strange that you somehow argue that the RF is so weak. The Russian Federation is also rearming, but not as fast of course as you would like.
    2. Sinister1
      Sinister1 22 December 2015 17: 42 New
      0
      Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
      The Italians re-equip their fleet .. Well done! But no matter how it all happened to us sideways ...

      Here is the correspondence between the avatar and the brain of Mikhalych dissonance does not arise wassat
      To thump and smoke it Mikhalych all well fart loudly about I can
      1. MIKHALYCH1
        MIKHALYCH1 22 December 2015 17: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: Sinister1
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        The Italians re-equip their fleet .. Well done! But no matter how it all happened to us sideways ...

        Here is the correspondence between the avatar and the brain of Mikhalych dissonance does not arise wassat
        To thump and smoke it Mikhalych all well fart loudly about I can

        Thank you! laughing drinks You very accurately put it ... Go on! fellow
        1. corn
          corn 22 December 2015 18: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
          Thank you!

          Sinister will have to put the pluses and "kiss him to death." laughing
          1. MIKHALYCH1
            MIKHALYCH1 22 December 2015 18: 35 New
            -3
            Quote: corn
            Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
            Thank you!

            Sinister will have to put the pluses and "kiss him to death." laughing

            We'll have to ... And then shoot, like a mad dog! hiSurfaced ....
            1. corn
              corn 22 December 2015 18: 55 New
              +1
              Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
              Have to

              I already sent it to the blacklist. Why do I need extra clogging of the "ether". Information - zero, only takes up space on the screen and the mouse wheel needs to be twisted more.
      2. Fafnir
        Fafnir 22 December 2015 18: 53 New
        +1
        And here is the opinion of the superpuperexpert about the frigate.
  7. Belarus
    Belarus 22 December 2015 17: 39 New
    -1
    “Luigi Rizzo” is to become part of the Italian Navy in 2017.


    Yeah, and before that it will catch refugees ??? !!!
  8. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 22 December 2015 18: 39 New
    -6
    The contours of the ship’s hull are very similar to the contours of the Leader class destroyer:
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 22 December 2015 18: 44 New
      11
      Only unlike the plastic Leader, is this ship already in iron.
      1. MIKHALYCH1
        MIKHALYCH1 22 December 2015 18: 54 New
        -1
        Quote: Vadim237
        Only unlike the plastic Leader, is this ship already in iron.

        Alas, the way it is .. But it's not yet evening! hi
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 22 December 2015 19: 15 New
          +3
          Alas, the way it is .. But it's not yet evening!

          To remind you in which year, according to the previous Commander-in-Chief of the Navy and his entourage, we should have begun the construction of an aircraft carrier? No, I myself understand that to build it in the current state of the fleet is more than stupid, but, damn it, it's not some drunk midshipman promised, but the Commander-in-Chief! With the Leader, by the way, the same song.

          And the Italians are great, they build tits, but they don’t know how cranes will build hi
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 22 December 2015 19: 24 New
            -1
            Quote: Wiruz
            No, I myself understand that to build it in the current state of the fleet is more than stupid, but, damn it, it's not some drunk midshipman promised, but the Commander-in-Chief! With the Leader, by the way, the same song.

            And the Italians are great, they build tits, but they don’t know how cranes will build

            Destroyers Leader and aircraft carriers is a plan for the future. These projects were presented as part of the development plan of the Russian Navy. No one said that they would begin to build them tomorrow.
            The leader seems to be planning to lay in 2018 in St. Petersburg.
            http://www.kp.ru/online/news/2258638
            1. Wiruz
              Wiruz 22 December 2015 19: 33 New
              +1
              No one said that they would begin to build them tomorrow.
              The leader seems to be planning to lay in 2018 in St. Petersburg.
              http://www.kp.ru/online/news/2258638

              If interested, search the Internet. Vysotsky promised first promised that we will begin to build aircraft carriers in 2012-2013. Then the deadlines moved.

              Instead of Vysotsky, a new Obeshchalkin came (I always glowed with hostility towards the current Commander-in-Chief). There were more promises, they became sweeter, but only promises remain.

              By the way, the last promise of Chirkov (well, or his entourage) included the laying of the lead destroyer at the end of 2015 - the beginning of 2016. And until 2020, the Andreevsky Flag was to be raised on it hi
              1. Lt. Air Force stock
                Lt. Air Force stock 23 December 2015 12: 53 New
                -1
                Quote: Wiruz

                If interested, search the Internet. Vysotsky promised first promised that we will begin to build aircraft carriers in 2012-2013. Then the deadlines moved.

                So this was all before the crisis. The price of oil fell 3,5 times (from 120 to 36 dollars per barrel), the ruble depreciated greatly. Before the crisis, Russia's annual budget was 450 billion dollars, and now 200 billion dollars, more than halved.
                1. Nosgoth
                  Nosgoth 2 January 2016 07: 51 New
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                  And who said that the price of oil will change tomorrow for the better (for us)? We will wait until "oil prices rise"? Well then, wait even longer (to lethargy and long-term construction, the expectation of money will also be added)
      2. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 22 December 2015 18: 57 New
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        Quote: Vadim237
        Only unlike the plastic Leader, is this ship already in iron.

        This ship is 3 times smaller than the Leader. And the armament is much more modest.
        Okay, another example is the Frigate Kasatonov who is already in the gland.
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 22 December 2015 22: 59 New
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          Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
          Quote: Vadim237
          Only unlike the plastic Leader, is this ship already in iron.

          This ship is 3 times smaller than the Leader. And the armament is much more modest.
          Okay, another example is the Frigate Kasatonov who is already in the gland.

          It’s good that of course it’s in iron, only they promise to fix the engine by the end of next year. And there are still tests
        2. Nosgoth
          Nosgoth 2 January 2016 07: 52 New
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          Aurora is also in iron, so what? Is this easier for you?
      3. Boos
        Boos 22 December 2015 19: 33 New
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        Italy built before, ships are handsome. Only their combat use did not shine, but gave them as reparations!)))
    2. Wiruz
      Wiruz 22 December 2015 19: 23 New
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      The contours of the ship’s hull are very similar to the contours of the Leader class destroyer:

      Forgive the moderators, but such comments are already enraging angry

      Where did you get that this... the design is the destroyer Leader? fool

      The Leader is engaged in the design of the destroyer Northern Design Bureau, and preliminary designs on it will be presented for camera lenses only in 2016.

      It, in the picture, let's say the concept art of a promising destroyer from Krylovtsev. Their vision of a promising ship. Perhaps the ship's project will be sold abroad - to the Chinese or Indians.

      Storm has nothing to do with the Leader hi
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 22 December 2015 19: 31 New
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        Quote: Wiruz
        The Leader is engaged in the design of the destroyer Northern Design Bureau, and preliminary designs on it will be presented for camera lenses only in 2016.

        This, in the picture, let's say the concept art of a promising destroyer from Krylovtsev. Their vision of a promising ship. Perhaps the ship's project will be sold abroad - to the Chinese or Indians.

        Storm has nothing to do with the Leader

        Given the design of modern Russian corvettes and frigates, it is unlikely that the Leader will look like a Zumwalt iron, most likely the hull will resemble the frigate only much more, and the superstructure will change. Therefore, a project not far from the serial will leave. 90% of what is in the picture will be on a serial ship.
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 22 December 2015 19: 37 New
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          Given the design of modern Russian corvettes and frigates, it is unlikely that the Leader will look like a Zumwalt iron, most likely the hull will resemble the frigate only much more, and the superstructure will change. Therefore, a project not far from the serial will leave. 90% of what is in the picture will be on a serial ship.

          And here is Zamvolt (he, by the way, is written through "a")? I tell you that the destroyer shown in the picture is not the Leader. They are generally engaged in another PCB.

          Yes, and about the "iron." Have you seen the concept of the corvette 20386? (by the way, I find it beautiful)
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 22 December 2015 19: 46 New
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            Quote: Wiruz

            And here is Zamvolt (he, by the way, is written through "a")? I tell you that the destroyer shown in the picture is not the Leader. They are generally engaged in another PCB.

            Yes, and about the "iron." Have you seen the concept of the corvette 20386? (by the way, I find it beautiful)

            I also saw several projects. All this looks too fantastic for implementation.
            Incidentally, modern frigates corvettes, like the destroyer leader, designed the Northern Design Bureau (hence, the general style is likely to be preserved (corvettes and frigates are designed in the same style)). Today there was news that the Leader will be built in St. Petersburg.
            1. Wiruz
              Wiruz 22 December 2015 19: 53 New
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              So no, that corvette that you just published (Strictly, it seems) is the winner of the contest from USC. He was painted by left-handed designers.
              And that 20386 that I presented was shown at the last naval salon in St. Petersburg under the name "Tiger" (like 20382). Then another interview was with someone from Diamond, saying, "Yes, this is 20386." Like, its construction is almost approved. I’m talking about what, we can have our own ship-iron (in a good way), and what kind of Leader will be - we can only expect hi
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 22 December 2015 20: 27 New
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              Only now the Leader and these corvettes will be built in 20386, so by 2025 - 30.
              1. Wiruz
                Wiruz 22 December 2015 20: 38 New
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                Only now the Leader and these corvettes will be built in 20386, so by 2025 - 30.

                Sorry, I agree request
              2. Nosgoth
                Nosgoth 2 January 2016 07: 55 New
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                Yes you are an optimist laughing
  9. Wiruz
    Wiruz 22 December 2015 19: 02 New
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    But do forum citizens think that it’s time for us (Russia, if anyone doesn’t understand) to combine the “frigate” and “destroyer” classes into one class? What does the MO promise us there? 15 frigates 22350M and 12 atomic destroyers Leader? In my opinion, it would be much better to build a large (about 30 ships) series of gas-turbine destroyers instead of them, about 10 kilotons each. 32/64 UKKS, the same amount of S-400, well, the S-500 can be shoved and that's it. A wonderful boat will turn out. And then, apparently, our Defense Ministry is repeating the mistakes of the Union.

    hi
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 22 December 2015 19: 18 New
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      Quote: Wiruz
      But do forum citizens not believe that it is time for us (Russia, if anyone does not understand) to combine the frigate and destroyer classes into one class? What does the MO promise us there? 15 frigates 22350M and 12 atomic destroyers Leader? In my opinion, it would be much better to build a large (about 30 ships) series of gas-turbine destroyers instead of them, about 10 kilotons each. 32/64 UKKS, the same amount of S-400, well, the S-500 can be shoved and that's it. A wonderful boat will turn out. And then, apparently, our Defense Ministry is repeating the mistakes of the Union.

      Destroyers want to build nuclear, to build them because of the greater displacement longer and more expensive. In addition, destroyers are ships of the ocean zone. Frigates are needed to patrol and protect the sea borders of Russia, from various kinds of threats: ships, submarines, etc. etc.
      To abandon the construction of frigates is like abandoning diesel submarines in favor of nuclear ones.
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 22 December 2015 19: 28 New
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        Frigates are needed to patrol and protect the sea borders of Russia, from various kinds of threats: submarine ships, etc. etc.

        Let's not forget that we have 20380/5/6 corvettes that will perfectly cope with this task. No wonder they are often called frigates in the west.
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 22 December 2015 19: 59 New
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          Quote: Wiruz
          Let's not forget that we have 20380/5/6 corvettes that will perfectly cope with this task. No wonder they are often called frigates in the west.

          But these corvettes, if necessary, will not be able to carry out military operations in the far sea zone. And in the future, Frigates will be able to play the role of escort ship for the Leader class destroyer. And there will be more frigates than atomic leaders. Russia will not be able, like the United States, to build destroyers analogous to Arly Burke, because the United States decided to build them with gas turbine engines (and even gas turbine engines, the price is large at $ 1,8 billion), they have many friendly countries where you can go to refuel, many military tankers refueling.
          Russia needs an atomic destroyer, but 30+ of them cannot be built. There will be a maximum of 10 at best.
          1. Wiruz
            Wiruz 22 December 2015 20: 20 New
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            But these corvettes, if necessary, will not be able to carry out military operations in the far sea zone

            Duck it and they do not need. Although, if it impatient, then why not? We won and RTO Samum went to Syria.

            And in the future, Frigates will be able to play the role of escort ship for the Leader class destroyer. And there will be more frigates than atomic leaders.

            So I propose building a large series of gas-turbine destroyers INSTEAD of atomic Leaders and 22350. It will be cheaper at all than an atomic-powered ship.

            even with gas turbine engines the price is big $ 1,8 billion

            The price of American ships is not necessary. They get everything more expensive than ours. I do not think that Arly Burke, if it was built in Russia, would be so expensive.

            they have many friendly countries where you can go to refuel, many military tankers to refuel.
            Doubtful benefit. Ships with a range of 7000 miles are no longer a wonder. Enough to reach a friendly port.

            In addition, you did not take into account how many problems YaSU carries
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 22 December 2015 23: 33 New
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              Quote: Wiruz
              merge the frigate and destroyer classes into one class

              No fleet can consist only of ships of the 1st rank. It just doesn't work out physically.
              Quote: Wiruz
              It will be cheaper at all

              Depends on many factors. Firstly, we have no problems with the atom, unlike the GEM. Secondly, large-capacity ships, and the Leaders are planned in the region of 15000-18000 tons, it makes sense to make nuclear, because they will need so much fuel that their mother does not cry.
          2. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 23 December 2015 02: 07 New
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            Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
            Russia needs an atomic destroyer,
            We are not going to build larger than it NK yet. They will change 1164. Therefore, 10 units are logical. Why more?
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 23 December 2015 02: 02 New
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      Quote: Wiruz
      And then, apparently, our Defense Ministry is repeating the mistakes of the Union.

      Our Moscow region is puzzled by the construction of a carrier of a sea defense system like Aegis. And it’s busy with how the sea-based S-500 will be placed on it. Plus, you need to place a bunch of robots - drones, take into account the modular design of a multi-purpose ship ...
      So, enough work. But it is worth thinking about multi-design so as not to repeat the mistakes of the Union. By the way, in tactical RO the "Caliber" priority was drawn.
  10. max73
    max73 22 December 2015 20: 04 New
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    that's not even funny to me here. for ballast. you have captured a forum on your site, and you’ve got all the caps on the squares))) well))) oh, indignation !!! read the forum ...)))
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 22 December 2015 22: 10 New
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      Quote: max73
      that's not even funny to me here. for ballast. you have captured a forum on your site, and you’ve got all the caps on the squares))) well))) oh, indignation !!! read the forum ...)))

      Well, you can always share your professional opinion.
  11. From Samara
    From Samara 23 December 2015 04: 27 New
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    The Italians have always had good Ships, but bad Sailors!