In Italy, the FREMM F 595 Frigate Launched

In Genoa, the shipyard of the company "Fincantieri" launched another frigate class FREMM "Luigi Rizzo" (F 595), reports TSAMTO with reference to the press service of the enterprise.

"Luigi Rizzo" is the sixth ship of the series. The keel laying of the ship took place on 6 on September 2013 of the year. After launching, the frigate's additional equipment will continue at the naval shipyard in Muggiano (La Spezia), ”the message reads.

“Luigi Rizzo” is to become part of the Italian Navy in 2017. It is assumed that “FREMM ships will be replaced as part of the Italian fleet frigates of the Lupo and Maestral types built by the Fincantieri company in the 1970s. ”

The fifth Alpino frigate (F 594) was launched in December 2014. To date, the first two ships are fully operational - the F 590 and F 591.

Help edition: The frigate Luigi Rizzo has a length of 144 m, a width of 19,7 m and a total displacement of about 6700 m. 2500 nodes. The range of the frigate at a speed of 4 knots is about 32 nautical miles, autonomy is 16 days, the crew is about 27,5 people. ”

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[Sinister1]

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[Sinister1]

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[MIKHALYCH1]

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[Sinister1]

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[MIKHALYCH1]

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The Banshee was dribbling the loot that you gave to Novorosia, the trickster was once expelled from the site with shame, but then he found a patron (Smirnov) shared and shone like a Phoenix

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[Sinister1]

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The Banshee was dribbling the loot that you gave to Novorosia, the trickster was once expelled from the site with shame, but then he found a patron (Smirnov) shared and shone like a Phoenix

Another offended ... WELL ENOUGH ALREADY! Do not like the site go away, everything is tough alas!

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[corn]

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others like them

I don't write slogans, you can ask in my comments. My opinions are often at odds with those of the "Sofa Marshals", but stoop to innuendo ...?
So far I haven’t even set a minus for your inappropriate behavior, I am writing off your excessive emotionality.

[Sinister1]

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others like them

I don't write slogans, you can ask in my comments. My opinions are often at odds with those of the "Sofa Marshals", but stoop to innuendo ...?
So far I haven’t even set a minus for your inappropriate behavior, I am writing off your excessive emotionality.

And minus, the nickname will live until Smirnov honors the site with his eye, every day he falls 7 for advertising, you can’t run the chicken, that he’s carrying golden eggs

[Ingvar 72]

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Not a site has become a garbage can for gay romanov

Where does infa come from?

[Sinister1]

Quote: Ingvar 72

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Not a site has become a garbage can for gay romanov

Where does infa come from?

He didn’t erase it there, he called the forum member chubby and asked in private

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Sinister1

forum member called chubby and in private he asked

Chur me! He also invited me to skype, together with Atalef ....

[Sinister1]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Sinister1

forum member called chubby and in private he asked

Chur me! He also invited me to skype, together with Atalef ....

Well take care

[Ingvar 72]

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Well take care

I’ll beware, but as if with Atalef that did not work out!

[Sinister1]

Quote: Ingvar 72

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Well take care

I’ll beware, but as if with Atalef that did not work out!

Well, remember the old Russian proverb: once not ...

[opus]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Chur me! He also invited me to skype, together with Atalef ....

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Banshee Deribanil loot, which you gave Novorosiya, ushlepok

Why did I miss something interesting?

Communication with F-595

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In Italy, the FREMM F 595 Frigate Launched

some kind of manifestation?
Or between?

[78bor1973]

What are you talking about goblins about? I look at the conclusions on the topic, but no, they went to the left!

[sssla]

Quote: Ingvar 72

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Not a site has become a garbage can for gay Romanov

[corn]

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and shone like a phoenix

Will you live without kings? -
The soldier said: “Please!”
“And you without your guard?”
- Well no! - said the king. (S.Ya. Marshak)
Do you want to set your own rules on someone else’s site?
If the site ceases to suit me, I will leave it (I will live without a site, and the site without us is not).
If you think that the site violates the laws, then you can fight in court. The site is under media law.
And by publishing your comments you fall under the law of lies.
HOW?

[Sinister1]

Quote: corn

Quote: Sinister1

and shone like a phoenix

Will you live without kings? -
The soldier said: “Please!”
“And you without your guard?”
- Well no! - said the king. (S.Ya. Marshak)
Do you want to set your own rules on someone else’s site?
If the site ceases to suit me, I will leave it (I will live without a site, but the site without us is not).
If you think that the site violates the laws, then you can fight in court. The site is under media law.
And by publishing your comments you fall under the law of lies.
HOW?

What did I lie to? I quoted from a block: I am not allowed to write comments. And the fact that Banshee is a thief and so all forum users know, and he was good at it ... They raped that he scribble articles against the DPR

[corn]

Quote: Sinister1

Banshee thief

Until proven in court - a lie, by the way, is also an insult. I speak from the formal point of view of the law. And in childhood, adolescence, while communicating "on the street", I realized that you need to answer for words (this is by definition).
You, of course, arranged a noble srach. I don’t want to participate in it anymore.

[Sinister1]

Quote: corn

Quote: Sinister1

Banshee thief

Until proven in court - a lie, by the way, is also an insult. I speak from the formal point of view of the law. And in childhood, adolescence, while communicating "on the street" I realized that the words need to be answered (this is by definition).
You, of course, arranged a noble srach. I don’t want to participate in it anymore.

, shall I sue this skunk? It is only under the guise of a moderator that, like Romanovich, the world is still unfinished as his ashes.
If I sue every goat, I don’t have enough time for sex
And Atalef is a snitch, right there Romanovich gave me the info about me

[kil 31]

Quote: Sinister1

Quote: corn

Quote: Sinister1

Banshee thief

Until proven in court - a lie, by the way, is also an insult. I speak from the formal point of view of the law. And in childhood, adolescence, while communicating "on the street" I realized that the words need to be answered (this is by definition).
You, of course, arranged a noble srach. I don’t want to participate in it anymore.

, shall I sue this skunk? It is only under the guise of a moderator that, like Romanovich, the world is still unfinished as his ashes.
If I sue every goat, I don’t have enough time for sex
And Atalef is a snitch, right there Romanovich gave me the info about me

You again quarreled with your "partner" and again came to the site to throw a tantrum?

[Sinister1]

Quote: Kil 31

Quote: Sinister1

Quote: corn

Quote: Sinister1

Banshee thief

Until proven in court - a lie, by the way, is also an insult. I speak from the formal point of view of the law. And in childhood, adolescence, while communicating "on the street" I realized that the words need to be answered (this is by definition).
You, of course, arranged a noble srach. I don’t want to participate in it anymore.

, shall I sue this skunk? It is only under the guise of a moderator that, like Romanovich, the world is still unfinished as his ashes.
If I sue every goat, I don’t have enough time for sex
And Atalef is a snitch, right there Romanovich gave me the info about me

You again quarreled with your "partner" and again came to the site to throw a tantrum?

Are you not happy with your sex life and want to talk about it?
Perversion in the form of Lenin is cool

[Basarev]

The secret is clear: Zlyden1 wanted to stick to the bounties and budget of the funds that are being spent on advertising, he also wanted to grab a piece of deductions to New Russia ... However, in both cases he was tactfully sent. So he got angry.

[Sinister1]

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The secret is clear: Zlyden1 wanted to stick to the bounties and budget of the funds that are being spent on advertising, he also wanted to grab a piece of deductions to New Russia ... However, in both cases he was tactfully sent. So he got angry.

I have enough of my own. No need to spread their mriy to everyone. XOxla dreams all at once for me and for free.
Well, try not to bite (bite) and lick it to you more conveniently
Basarev sneak !!! That sounds!

[marlin1203]

And what about the frigate, the Xperds?

[Aleks tv]

If anyone is interested:

I know Roman Banshee personally.
More than once I saw how he simply laid out his own money on trips related to Military Review. And so constantly.
Silently, calmly and ... irrevocably))).

Moreover, almost at his own expense (somewhere and a chipper with friends) he is pulling military-patriotic work in one small town.
The result affected this fall - about seven guys from the group entered military schools.

Something like that.

........
Well, the fact that the sinister about Apollo remembered in this vein ... So it is completely unworthy of respect.
Knowing this "old bird", since he remembers that Azir cleaned his feathers ...
Heh.

[sssla]

Quote: keel 31

You again quarreled with your "partner" and again came to the site to throw a tantrum?

Yes, that person got it !! )))
I don't know about the Banshee, but the rest is "a little" !!! )))

[sssla]

Quote: keel 31

You again quarreled with your "partner" and again came to the site to throw a tantrum?

Yes, the man cuts the truth !!! )))

[Altona]

Quickly build however, quite fast. 2 years and a frigate, get-sign.

[alekc73]

We built a frigate (6700t destroyer) in three years. In 2017, as part of the fleet. We would have such a pace.

[dyksi]

I agree, a little even enviable, it is a pity that nothing is written about the weapons. Italians are good shipbuilders, in World War II, because of the mediocrity of admirals, they lost so many beautiful ships, which even Churchill admired.

[creak]

Quote: dyksi

Italians shipbuilders are good

It is no coincidence that the USSR, before the Second World War, worked very closely with Italy in the design and construction of ships for our Navy.
The leader of the Tashkent Black Sea Fleet was designed and built by Italy, the Ansaldo company helped build the power plants for other ships ...
Very pragmatic, without ideological blushing, our leadership approached cooperation with a country where Mussolini ruled ...

[Basarev]

Only one thing is bad: in such cooperation with foreigners they completely lost their shipbuilding school. Since Peter's times, at least - he was eager to be friends with the gums with the Dutch there. However, the result was not achieved: the Russians were not recognized as true Europeans.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Basarev

Since Peter's times, at least - he was eager to be friends with the gums with the Dutch there.

Peter ruined the national shipbuilding school? so to speak, all the rooks under the ax?))

[Albert1988]

Quote: Basarev

Only one thing is bad: in such cooperation with foreigners they completely lost their shipbuilding school.

The problem is that before Peter we did not have this school as such - more or less serious ships were built rarely and haphazardly, the same "Eagle" under Alexei Mikhailovich was built under the tight leadership of the Dutch. Petya did not climb to "kiss" the Dutch, but adopted technologies, primarily the construction of large sea ships. Then our shipbuilding school was in crisis more than once, but its most serious decline happened only after the collapse of the Soviet Union!

[Basarev]

But what about the fleet of Oleg, with whom they went to Constantinople? Each will confirm that fishing boats cannot be trampled against a superpower. Therefore, it is obvious that in ancient Russia there was a full-fledged navy capable of fighting the Byzantine at least on an equal footing. But according to the general line of the party in Russia before Christianity, there was nothing but savagery, barbarism and dark horror.

[Albert1988]

First of all, about the argument "Everyone will confirm" - it's just the finish line, I don't really know what to answer you to such over-argumentation)))))
But seriously - do you even think about which ships were built during Oleg's time in Russia and how they differed from most ships of Europe, and which ships were built in Russia in the 17th-18th centuries and which in Europe in the same period, if compare, you will understand that Petya pulled Russia out of the dense shipbuilding and technological stagnation as a whole.
As for Christianity, then your passage is inappropriate - Petya was an atheist and could not stand priests ...

[Basarev]

Yes, religion has nothing to do with it. I just wanted to write that once they had a magnificent fleet of their own type, and then, for the sake of friendship with foreigners, they ruined everything.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Basarev

magnificent fleet of its own type

There is such a thing as progress. In the era of Peter, he was no longer magnificent, so he had to study.

[Basarev]

But this does not give the right to betray their shipbuilding traditions. And Peter betrayed them.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Basarev

But this does not give the right to betray their shipbuilding traditions. And Peter betrayed them.

You can not betray what is not !!!!
What is "shipbuilding traditions" - this is, first of all, a school of shipbuilding masters, so if we had a developed shipbuilding school at the turn of the 17th - 18th centuries with a bunch of shipyards and a bunch of shipbuilders with such experience, and Petya took, kicked everyone out and invited solid foreigners, then yes - one could talk about betrayal, BUT! Then there were no shipbuilders who could build large sailing ships, no permanent naval shipyards where they could work, we, in fact, did not have access to the ice-free seas. And after Peter, despite all the Dutch imported, the craftsmen who built river and Pomor ships did not disappear and this school was preserved almost until the 19th century.
And then, if we talk about foreigners, then you need to learn a little history here - foreigners went massively in Russia back in the days of Alexei Mikhailovich! And German settlements grew like mushrooms, and regiments of the new system were created, and they consisted, for a minute, of foreign mercenaries for the most part. That is, it turns out, according to your logic, has Alexey Mikhailovich already betrayed everything? Did his eldest son Fedor want to betray?

[Albert1988]

Quote: Basarev

I just wanted to write that they once had a magnificent fleet of their own type

Only this "own fleet" is outdated for, for a minute, almost 800 years from the word absolutely, and the new modern Maritime we weren’t able to build a fleet, alas, for we had no access to the seas except the White Sea, so we built only river ships, the construction of which Peter's reforms did not affect in any way ...

[Specialist 77]

are consolidating slowly ... positively .... in light of the fact that Italy was, as it were, against the extension of sanctions ... is it really a shadow ally? ....

[Extraneous]

There is a hypothesis in nature that Musolinini diligently pretended to hate Stalin, but in fact did business in such a way that he spoiled Hitler’s entire kitchen with his actions. Hence, allegedly, the small successes of Italians on the fronts of the world.
An interesting look at Italians.
All subsequent history periodically shows that Italians are much better in Russia than the rest of Europe.

[Mountain shooter]

And armed with what? What do Italians have super-duper anti-submarine-anti-ship? And so - nothing special, except that they build quickly.

[donavi49]

This:
8 RCC Tesseo with the possibility of attacks on ground targets, directly from the package (software translation to GPS and downloading a location map with a route).
good torpedoes MU90 - 50 knots -10km, 29 knots - 23 km = caliber 324. Analog PACKAGE-NK (or rather the Package was built as an answer to this and the American).
plus can be placed missile torpedoes MILAS, only on the Italian.
SAM 16 cells under ASTER-30 + ASTER-15.
2 helicopter.

Moreover, the Italian is more stuffed with electronics, Huck, than the Frenchman.

[Wiruz]

There were like 48 cells under Aster. No?

[Atrix]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

What do Italians have super - anti-submarine duper - anti-ship

I am always surprised by comments of this kind. How do you know what kind of weapons and how they will behave in a real battle. The same can be said about Soviet-Russian weapons. Do you have real data on combat use or you were told on the Zvezda TV channel that it has no analogues.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And armed with what?

The main thing is that he is able to carry SCALP Naval-type rocket engines with a range of up to 1000 km.

[MIKHALYCH1]

The Italians re-equip their fleet .. Well done! But no matter how it all happened to us sideways ...

[Belarus]

Why would it suddenly and even sideways? It’s strange that you somehow argue that the RF is so weak. The Russian Federation is also rearming, but not as fast of course as you would like.

[Sinister1]

Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX

The Italians re-equip their fleet .. Well done! But no matter how it all happened to us sideways ...

Here is the correspondence between the avatar and the brain of Mikhalych dissonance does not arise
To thump and smoke it Mikhalych all well fart loudly about I can

[MIKHALYCH1]

Quote: Sinister1

Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX

The Italians re-equip their fleet .. Well done! But no matter how it all happened to us sideways ...

Here is the correspondence between the avatar and the brain of Mikhalych dissonance does not arise
To thump and smoke it Mikhalych all well fart loudly about I can

Thank you! You very accurately put it ... Go on!

[corn]

Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX

Thank you!

Sinister will have to put pluses and "kiss him to death."

[MIKHALYCH1]

Quote: corn

Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX

Thank you!

Sinister will have to put pluses and "kiss him to death."

We'll have to ... And then shoot, like a mad dog! Surfaced ....

[corn]

Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX

Have to

I have already blacklisted it. Why do I need unnecessary clogging of the "ether". Information - zero, only the space on the screen takes up and the wheel on the mouse needs to be turned more.

[Fafnir]

And here is the opinion of the superpuperexpert about the frigate.

[Belarus]

“Luigi Rizzo” is to become part of the Italian Navy in 2017.

Yeah, and before that it will catch refugees ??? !!!

[Lt. Air Force stock]

The contours of the ship’s hull are very similar to the contours of the Leader class destroyer:

[Vadim237]

Only unlike the plastic Leader, is this ship already in iron.

[MIKHALYCH1]

Quote: Vadim237

Only unlike the plastic Leader, is this ship already in iron.

Alas, the way it is .. But it's not yet evening!

[Wiruz]

Alas, the way it is .. But it's not yet evening!

To remind you in which year, according to the previous Commander-in-Chief of the Navy and his entourage, we should have begun the construction of an aircraft carrier? No, I myself understand that to build it in the current state of the fleet is more than stupid, but, damn it, it's not some drunk midshipman promised, but the Commander-in-Chief! With the Leader, by the way, the same song.

And the Italians are great, they build tits, but they don’t know how cranes will build

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Wiruz

No, I myself understand that to build it in the current state of the fleet is more than stupid, but, damn it, it's not some drunk midshipman promised, but the Commander-in-Chief! With the Leader, by the way, the same song.

And the Italians are great, they build tits, but they don’t know how cranes will build

Destroyers Leader and aircraft carriers is a plan for the future. These projects were presented as part of the development plan of the Russian Navy. No one said that they would begin to build them tomorrow.
The leader seems to be planning to lay in 2018 in St. Petersburg.
http://www.kp.ru/online/news/2258638

[Wiruz]

No one said that they would begin to build them tomorrow.
The leader seems to be planning to lay in 2018 in St. Petersburg.
http://www.kp.ru/online/news/2258638

If interested, search the Internet. Vysotsky promised first promised that we will begin to build aircraft carriers in 2012-2013. Then the deadlines moved.

Instead of Vysotsky, a new Obeshchalkin came (I always glowed with hostility towards the current Commander-in-Chief). There were more promises, they became sweeter, but only promises remain.

By the way, the last promise of Chirkov (well, or his entourage) included the laying of the lead destroyer at the end of 2015 - the beginning of 2016. And until 2020, the Andreevsky Flag was to be raised on it

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Wiruz

If interested, search the Internet. Vysotsky promised first promised that we will begin to build aircraft carriers in 2012-2013. Then the deadlines moved.

So this was all before the crisis. The price of oil fell 3,5 times (from 120 to 36 dollars per barrel), the ruble depreciated greatly. Before the crisis, Russia's annual budget was 450 billion dollars, and now 200 billion dollars, more than halved.

[Nosgoth]

Who said that the oil price will change for the better (for us) tomorrow? Shall we wait until "oil prices rise"? Well then, wait even longer (waiting for money will be added to the lethargy and long-term construction)

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Vadim237

Only unlike the plastic Leader, is this ship already in iron.

This ship is 3 times smaller than the Leader. And the armament is much more modest.
Okay, another example is the Frigate Kasatonov who is already in the gland.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

Quote: Vadim237

Only unlike the plastic Leader, is this ship already in iron.

This ship is 3 times smaller than the Leader. And the armament is much more modest.
Okay, another example is the Frigate Kasatonov who is already in the gland.

It’s good that of course it’s in iron, only they promise to fix the engine by the end of next year. And there are still tests

[Nosgoth]

Aurora is also in iron, so what? Is this easier for you?

[Boos]

Italy built before, ships are handsome. Only their combat use did not shine, but gave them as reparations!)))

[Wiruz]

The contours of the ship’s hull are very similar to the contours of the Leader class destroyer:

Forgive the moderators, but such comments are already enraging

Where did you get that this... the design is the destroyer Leader?

The Leader is engaged in the design of the destroyer Northern Design Bureau, and preliminary designs on it will be presented for camera lenses only in 2016.

It, in the picture, let's say the concept art of a promising destroyer from Krylovtsev. Their vision of a promising ship. Perhaps the ship's project will be sold abroad - to the Chinese or Indians.

Storm has nothing to do with the Leader

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Wiruz

The Leader is engaged in the design of the destroyer Northern Design Bureau, and preliminary designs on it will be presented for camera lenses only in 2016.

This, in the picture, let's say the concept art of a promising destroyer from Krylovtsev. Their vision of a promising ship. Perhaps the ship's project will be sold abroad - to the Chinese or Indians.

Storm has nothing to do with the Leader

Considering the design of modern Russian corvettes and frigates, it is unlikely that the Leader will look like a Zumvalt iron, most likely the hull will resemble a frigate only much more, and the superstructure will change. Consequently, the project will go away from the serial one. 90% of what is in the picture will be on a serial ship.

[Wiruz]

Considering the design of modern Russian corvettes and frigates, it is unlikely that the Leader will look like a Zumvalt iron, most likely the hull will resemble a frigate only much more, and the superstructure will change. Consequently, the project will go away from the serial one. 90% of what is in the picture will be on a serial ship.

And here Zamvolt (he, by the way, is written through "a")? I tell you that the destroyer shown in the picture is not a Leader. In general, another PKB is engaged in it.

Yes, and about the "iron". Have you seen the 20386 corvette concept? (by the way, I find it beautiful)

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Wiruz

And here Zamvolt (he, by the way, is written through "a")? I tell you that the destroyer shown in the picture is not a Leader. In general, another PKB is engaged in it.

Yes, and about the "iron". Have you seen the 20386 corvette concept? (by the way, I find it beautiful)

I also saw several projects. All this looks too fantastic for implementation.
Incidentally, modern frigates corvettes, like the destroyer leader, designed the Northern Design Bureau (hence, the general style is likely to be preserved (corvettes and frigates are designed in the same style)). Today there was news that the Leader will be built in St. Petersburg.

[Wiruz]

So no, that corvette that you just published (Strictly, it seems) is the winner of the contest from USC. He was painted by left-handed designers.
And the 20386 that I presented was shown at the last naval show in St. Petersburg under the name "Tiger" (as 20382). Then there was another interview with someone from Almaz, saying, "Yes, it's 20386". Like, its construction is almost approved. What I mean is that we can have our own ship-iron (in a good way), and what the Leader will be like - we can only assume

[Vadim237]

Only now the Leader and these corvettes will be built in 20386, so by 2025 - 30.

[Wiruz]

Only now the Leader and these corvettes will be built in 20386, so by 2025 - 30.

Sorry, I agree

[Nosgoth]

Yes you are an optimist

[Wiruz]

But do not the citizens of the forum think that it is time for us (Russia, if someone did not understand) to combine the "frigate" and "destroyer" classes into one class? What does the MO promise us there? 15 frigates 22350M and 12 atomic destroyers Leader? In my opinion, it would be much better to build a large (about 30 ships) series of gas-turbine destroyers instead of them, about 10 kilotons each. 32/64 UKKS, the same amount of S-400, well, the S-500 can be shoved and that's it. A wonderful boat will turn out. And then, apparently, our Defense Ministry is repeating the mistakes of the Union.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Wiruz

But do forum citizens not believe that it is time for us (Russia, if anyone does not understand) to combine the frigate and destroyer classes into one class? What does the MO promise us there? 15 frigates 22350M and 12 atomic destroyers Leader? In my opinion, it would be much better to build a large (about 30 ships) series of gas-turbine destroyers instead of them, about 10 kilotons each. 32/64 UKKS, the same amount of S-400, well, the S-500 can be shoved and that's it. A wonderful boat will turn out. And then, apparently, our Defense Ministry is repeating the mistakes of the Union.

Destroyers want to build nuclear, to build them because of the greater displacement longer and more expensive. In addition, destroyers are ships of the ocean zone. Frigates are needed to patrol and protect the sea borders of Russia, from various kinds of threats: ships, submarines, etc. etc.
To abandon the construction of frigates is like abandoning diesel submarines in favor of nuclear ones.

[Wiruz]

Frigates are needed to patrol and protect the sea borders of Russia, from various kinds of threats: submarine ships, etc. etc.

Let's not forget that we have 20380/5/6 corvettes that will perfectly cope with this task. No wonder they are often called frigates in the west.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Wiruz

Let's not forget that we have 20380/5/6 corvettes that will perfectly cope with this task. No wonder they are often called frigates in the west.

But these corvettes, if necessary, will not be able to carry out military operations in the far sea zone. And in the future, Frigates will be able to play the role of escort ship for the Leader class destroyer. And there will be more frigates than atomic leaders. Russia will not be able, like the United States, to build destroyers analogous to Arly Burke, because the United States decided to build them with gas turbine engines (and even gas turbine engines, the price is large at $ 1,8 billion), they have many friendly countries where you can go to refuel, many military tankers refueling.
Russia needs an atomic destroyer, but 30+ of them cannot be built. There will be a maximum of 10 at best.

[Wiruz]

But these corvettes, if necessary, will not be able to carry out military operations in the far sea zone

Duck it and they do not need. Although, if it impatient, then why not? We won and RTO Samum went to Syria.

And in the future, Frigates will be able to play the role of escort ship for the Leader class destroyer. And there will be more frigates than atomic leaders.

So I propose building a large series of gas-turbine destroyers INSTEAD of atomic Leaders and 22350. It will be cheaper at all than an atomic-powered ship.

even with gas turbine engines the price is big $ 1,8 billion

The price of American ships is not necessary. They get everything more expensive than ours. I do not think that Arly Burke, if it was built in Russia, would be so expensive.

they have many friendly countries where you can go to refuel, many military tankers to refuel.

Doubtful benefit. Ships with a range of 7000 miles are no longer a wonder. Enough to reach a friendly port.

In addition, you did not take into account how many problems YaSU carries

[Dart2027]

Quote: Wiruz

combine the "frigate" and "destroyer" classes into one class

No fleet can consist only of ships of the 1st rank. It just doesn't work out physically.

Quote: Wiruz

It will be cheaper at all

Depends on many factors. Firstly, we have no problems with the atom, unlike the GEM. Secondly, large-capacity ships, and the Leaders are planned in the region of 15000-18000 tons, it makes sense to make nuclear, because they will need so much fuel that their mother does not cry.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Russia needs an atomic destroyer,

We are not going to build larger than it NK yet. They will change 1164. Therefore, 10 units are logical. Why more?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Wiruz

And then, apparently, our Defense Ministry is repeating the mistakes of the Union.

Our Moscow region is puzzled by the construction of a carrier of a sea defense system like Aegis. And it’s busy with how the sea-based S-500 will be placed on it. Plus, you need to place a bunch of robots - drones, take into account the modular design of a multi-purpose ship ...
So there is enough work. But it is worth thinking about multi-projecting, so as not to repeat the mistakes of the Union. By the way, in the tactical RO, the priority of "Caliber" was drawn.

[max73]

that's not even funny to me here. for ballast. you have captured a forum on your site, and you’ve got all the caps on the squares))) well))) oh, indignation !!! read the forum ...)))

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: max73

that's not even funny to me here. for ballast. you have captured a forum on your site, and you’ve got all the caps on the squares))) well))) oh, indignation !!! read the forum ...)))

Well, you can always share your professional opinion.

[From Samara]

The Italians have always had good Ships, but bad Sailors!