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Media: in Turkey are fierce battles of government forces with the PKK formations

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The armed forces of Turkey and the police special forces launched an unprecedented operation against the forces of the Kurdistan Workers Party, the blog bmpd with reference to the French resource www.20minutes.fr.




“Over the past five days, more than 100 militants of the PKK, as well as two Turkish soldiers, have been killed,” a source in security agencies told the publication.

According to the resource, “the purpose of the operation, in which more than 10 thousand troops are involved, is to squeeze the PKK formations from cities and towns, with the greatest efforts being directed at two border cities, Jizre and Silopi, located not far from Syria and Iraq.”



As stated by the Chief of the General Staff of the Turkish Armed Forces, Hulusi Akar, ““ military operations in the region will be carried out with all determination until public order is restored. ”

Media: in Turkey are fierce battles of government forces with the PKK formations


The resource notes that "hostilities between the Turkish army and the PKK were resumed after a nearly two-year truce, and have already caused the outcome of the order of 200 thousands of refugees.
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  1. avvg
    avvg 22 December 2015 17: 03 New
    44
    Turks dig themselves in the grave. The Kurdish issue for Turkey is a time bomb.
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 22 December 2015 17: 07 New
      102
      "military operations in the region will be carried out with full determination until public order is restored."

      And I wish the Kurds fighters good luck and victory in the war against the vile invader of Kurdish lands and the Turkish Fuhrer Erdogan.
      1. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 22 December 2015 17: 09 New
        37
        Quote: vovanpain
        And I wish the Kurds fighters good luck
        - And to fight the Turkish aggressors with more productive gifts from Russian weapons.
        1. cniza
          cniza 22 December 2015 17: 29 New
          15
          Erdogan went into a mess, something seems to start a jerk, and what to do next he does not know.
          1. Dryuya2
            Dryuya2 22 December 2015 17: 35 New
            +4
            video =============
            17 Dec 2015

            Nov 7 2015 year
            1. avt
              avt 22 December 2015 17: 44 New
              13
              Quote: Dryuya2
              video =============

              In-in! Which mana
              police special forces
              ! A specific full-scale military operation, which at times can develop into a civil, or rather a national liberation war of minority nations in Turkey for the right to self-determination! If there is a country nearby where there is already something like a civil war - an invasion of the Islamic bandinter with the connivance of USA and Turkey. Yes, it’s going to burn once, especially when the Syrians squeezed spirits from their territory and the Kurds from the PKK specifically engage in Erdogan. And with the successful development of events, the Borzanists will also wedge in - they will betray Erdogan at a time.
              1. Mahmut
                Mahmut 23 December 2015 05: 58 New
                +2
                Give RPG for RPK.
            2. Sandov
              Sandov 23 December 2015 00: 25 New
              +1
              I hope Erdogan will get a tinsel.
          2. Alexey Boukin
            Alexey Boukin 22 December 2015 18: 41 New
            +7
            Quote: cniza
            Erdogan went into a mess, something seems to start a jerk, and what to do next he does not know.

            This suggests that "good" has been received from overseas. The Americans desperately need instability in this region. After all, the money was not thrown away?
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        3. svd-xnumx
          svd-xnumx 22 December 2015 19: 25 New
          +4
          - And fight the Turkish aggressors with more productive gifts from Russian weapons
          Especially RPGs would be useful for most Turkish tanks from the additional protection, only the "spare" on the tower
      2. good7
        good7 22 December 2015 17: 52 New
        +3
        You are right, because Turkey was friendly with Germany before and during the Second World War and it was the Turks who taught the German genocide!
        1. avdkrd
          avdkrd 22 December 2015 21: 38 New
          13
          Quote: good7
          You are right, because Turkey was friendly with Germany before and during the Second World War and it was the Turks who taught the German genocide!

          The Germans studied the genocide with the British. Anglo-Saxons are leaders in crimes against humanity. If you do not go too deep into history then it was in England, in the 16th century the law on the death penalty was born in relation to vagrants and beggars. Vagrants were called migrants in search of a better life. So was the genocide against their own people. The people absorbed all this and even during the colonization of America genocide subjected the population of the whole continent. The number of killed Indians, even Wikipedia is estimated at 100 million people. Then came the turn of the Boers and the first use of concentration camps as a tool for the mass destruction of people. The British concentration camps with the same function were built in Arkhangelsk during the intervention.
          The Germans just polished the idea. Fascism, or rather Nazism, is based on the old English idea of ​​the superiority of the "white race", eugenics comes from England.
          1. Lev Leshchenko
            Lev Leshchenko 22 December 2015 21: 52 New
            +1
            Quote: avdkrd
            If you do not go too deep into history, it is in England, in the 16th century, the law on the death penalty was born for vagrants and beggars. Vagrants were called migrants in search of a better life.

            Wow, a whole festive ritual of hanging was done.
          2. b0bi
            b0bi 22 December 2015 22: 09 New
            +5
            And the Germans learned fascism from the Jews. Now there is even such a term "Judofascism". Judofascism is both a fascist ideology, and faith and religion.
            The Talmud, Shulchan Aruf and other "sacred texts" assert this more than frankly (not in a false translation for the "goyim" of course, which the Judeo-fascists consider animals, but those secret fascist texts that they themselves use, "God's chosen" self-elected, trying to hide them from us, non-humans, non-humans, "goyim", animals in their language, and their Talmud states that the property owned by the goy is the property of a Jew, which is temporarily used by a goy, but if necessary, a Jew can take it. And adultery with a Christian or any non-Jewish woman will not be a sin, since women in this case are not real human beings))
            But not every Jew is a Jew.
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        2. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 22 December 2015 22: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: good7
          You are right, because Turkey was friendly with Germany before and during the Second World War and it was the Turks who taught the German genocide!

          The genocide was not invented by the Turks. Genocide has always existed as long as humanity exists. Explain to the readers of VO how Africa became a continent of "black" people, how Asia became a continent of "yellow" people, America became a continent of "Indians", and Europe became a continent of "white" people? Isn't this genocide for skin color and eye shape in ancient times? Moreover, a very harsh genocide - in Africa, before the appearance of Europeans, white and yellow people did not live at all. Likewise, in Asia, there they never heard of blacks and whites. This means that the old-timers destroyed the foreigners at the root.
          You will tell me that supposedly there was no era of great geographical discoveries. Nonsense. In medieval Europe, even a map of Antarctica was found with real land shapes, i.e. without ice cover. And this says that people traveled around the world for many thousands of years BC, which means that the peoples could just as freely mix.
        3. ver_
          ver_ 23 December 2015 05: 20 New
          0
          ... Turkey has always been like the faithful weapon of the West against Russia .. they did not allow Russia to end the janissaries ...
      3. Yeraz
        Yeraz 22 December 2015 18: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: vovanpain
        with the vile invader of Kurdish lands

        Well, the Armenians consider these lands their)))
        1. Vlad5307
          Vlad5307 22 December 2015 19: 22 New
          +2
          Armenians do not consider their whole Turkomania, but adjacent to the city of Ararat!
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 22 December 2015 19: 24 New
            +1
            Quote: Vlad5307
            Armenians do not consider their whole Turkomania, but adjacent to the city of Ararat!

            so I talked about these lands. There, where the Armenians used to live, right now the Kurds live. And to whom to give the land))
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 22 December 2015 20: 28 New
              0
              Quote: Yeraz
              Where the Armenians used to live, Kurds live right now. And to whom to give land))

              How to whom? Who fought for it (or defended) the land.
      4. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR 22 December 2015 19: 26 New
        +4
        The Turkish "Chechnya" rushed. Then piss off.
    2. meriem1
      meriem1 22 December 2015 17: 08 New
      28
      Quote: avvg
      Turks dig themselves in the grave.


      They just kill their citizens, as the police in America do, as they recently dispersed the protest in Germany ... Everything is as always ... You understand democracy am
      1. Fin
        Fin 22 December 2015 17: 30 New
        14
        Quote: meriem1
        They just kill their citizens, as the police in America do, as they recently dispersed the protest in Germany ... Everything is as always ... You understand democracy

        And I do not understand why the leading "crap" of the world, human rights organizations are silent? The Turks will actually genocide their own population. And our media cho are silent in a rag? Political correctness ended after the SU-24.
        1. dr.star75
          dr.star75 22 December 2015 18: 19 New
          11
          This is a bloody butcher, a dictator who kills his people! Wasn't Erdogan himself talking about Assad recently?
        2. Lev Leshchenko
          Lev Leshchenko 22 December 2015 20: 09 New
          +5
          Quote: Fin
          And I do not understand why the leading "crap" of the world, human rights organizations are silent?

          I agree with the remark.
          Why are Lyudmila Alekseeva and Evgenia Albats silent?
          1. The black
            The black 22 December 2015 20: 24 New
            +6
            laughing
            Quote: Lev Leshchenko
            Quote: Fin
            And I do not understand why the leading "crap" of the world, human rights organizations are silent?

            I agree with the remark.
            Why are Lyudmila Alekseeva and Evgenia Albats silent?

            .... and where is Makarevich with concerts for Turkish "cyborgs" ... laughing
            1. Lev Leshchenko
              Lev Leshchenko 22 December 2015 20: 38 New
              +2
              Quote: Black
              .... and where is Makarevich with concerts for Turkish "cyborgs" ...

              The damned shut up.
              1. atalef
                atalef 22 December 2015 20: 41 New
                -4
                Quote: Lev Leshchenko
                Quote: Black
                .... and where is Makarevich with concerts for Turkish "cyborgs" ...

                The damned shut up.

                He’s actually on tour in Israel.
                I’m going to his concert tomorrow. hi
                1. Grim Reaper
                  Grim Reaper 22 December 2015 20: 46 New
                  +3
                  Finger! ;)
                2. Extraneous
                  Extraneous 22 December 2015 20: 48 New
                  +1
                  Take rotten tomatoes.
                3. Lev Leshchenko
                  Lev Leshchenko 22 December 2015 20: 50 New
                  +1
                  Quote: atalef
                  I’m going to his concert tomorrow.

                  Enjoy listening :)
                4. Koldunja
                  Koldunja 22 December 2015 23: 38 New
                  +4
                  Do not let it go any longer;)))
    3. lelikas
      lelikas 22 December 2015 17: 11 New
      15
      Quote: avvg
      urki dig themselves grave. The Kurdish issue for Turkey is a time bomb.

      Exchange 1 to 50 - either I don’t understand something, or the Kurds, from weapons, have only stones.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 22 December 2015 18: 08 New
        12
        lelikas
        from article text
        Over the last five days, more than 100 PKK fighters, as well as two Turkish military personnel, have died

        Exchange 1 to 50 - either I don’t understand something, or the Kurds, from weapons, have only stones.

        Or maybe there are no PKK formations there, but the Turks simply genocide the Kurds on ethnic grounds and on suspicion of the PKK - they just kill all males as political opponents ahead of time from the Kurds in a row? Most likely that is exactly so. The Kurds, as I understand it, are not consciously provided for by the security forces in this situation.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 22 December 2015 18: 35 New
          0
          Quote: Tatiana
          Or maybe there are no PKK formations there, and the Turks simply genocide the Kurds on ethnic grounds and on suspicion of the PKK - they simply kill all males as political opponents ahead of time from the Kurds in a row? Most likely that is exactly so.

          Go to YouTube and see Kurds with "stones".
          I just watched the video. Part with Kalash, part with M-16 and throw grenades.
          They have a big advantage. The population of these cities is completely on their side and they easily move around the city.
          It’s another matter if the Turks used the tactics about which you said when the population would respond with relatives as well, then they could not move so easily and hide.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 22 December 2015 18: 47 New
            +6
            Then why do you think the Kurds have such big losses in the city compared to the power government units?
            Such indicators of relative losses, if you follow your logic, contradict the experience of military operations in an offensive operation in Grozny.
            1. Lev Leshchenko
              Lev Leshchenko 22 December 2015 20: 53 New
              +1
              Quote: Tatiana
              Then why do you think the Kurds have such big losses in the city compared to the power government units?

              I suppose that government units are not only firing armed Kurds.
            2. Garris199
              Garris199 22 December 2015 22: 08 New
              +1
              Quote: Tatiana

              Then why do you think the Kurds have such big losses in the city compared to the power government units?

              So they told you who had what losses. And the Kurds just need to throw up-to-date weapons. ATGMs, communications, ammunition.
      2. 4thParasinok
        4thParasinok 22 December 2015 21: 27 New
        +2
        Exchange 1 to 50 - either I don’t understand something, or the Kurds, from weapons, have only stones.
        There is no serious, but the reality is not 1:50. Other people's losses are always exaggerated, but NOTOs never completely say their countries.
    4. Persistent
      Persistent 22 December 2015 17: 13 New
      13
      “Over the last five days, more than 100 PKK fighters, as well as two Turkish soldiers, have died”

      The ratio of losses lying to the Turks SBU taught ??? laughing They have rich experience in this regard after the Debaltsevsky boiler !!!! fool
      1. devastator
        devastator 22 December 2015 17: 58 New
        +8
        Maybe they don’t lie.
        Rather, it’s like the punishers in Ukraine and Belarus during the Great Patriotic War - to report on the elimination of ~ 5000 partisans and the seizure of ~ 100 rifles.

        They simply killed many unarmed civilians, and for self-justification they declared them terrorists. After all, the seizure of hundreds of machine guns, tens of thousands of rounds and hundreds of grenades is not reported - apparently there is nothing to brag about.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 22 December 2015 18: 36 New
          -16 qualifying.
          Quote: devastator
          They simply killed many unarmed civilians, and for self-justification they declared them terrorists. After all, the seizure of hundreds of machine guns, tens of thousands of rounds and hundreds of grenades is not reported - apparently there is nothing to brag about.



          You are talking about these civilians with a grenade in hand and masked))
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 22 December 2015 23: 02 New
            +7
            Yeraz (5)
            You are talking about these civilians with a grenade in hand and masked))

            I watched your video in full screen.
            The first woman to climb the stairs (she was in trousers, but it is clear from her gait, from the manner in which she carried herself that she was a woman). The second was a middle-aged man. The third on the way was killed by an explosion from shelling. A woman rushed back to him like a madwoman - and yet another explosion did not stop her. So the mother rushes to her son or to a very close relative. The next explosion immediately covered her and killed her. Two more explosions thundered into the staircase porch - and wounded the man. He, too, with difficulty when wounded in his right leg "rushed" to them, not the name of the opportunity to stand up. The man crawled to the first corpse and covered it with his body. Filming is over.
            A family was shot before our eyes! And there were no "masks" on them. A woman in a light cap, a man without a headdress at all. A woman in supplication and fear presses her hands to her chest.
            Where did you see their grenade ?!
            The camera witnessed the tragedy of the civilian population - an unarmed family died under shelling.
            1. mAgs
              mAgs 23 December 2015 15: 41 New
              -1
              It was a large gauge. 12,7. What the hell are they sneaking up to him ...
              1. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 23 December 2015 17: 14 New
                +2
                Quote: mAgs
                It was a large gauge. 12,7. What the hell are they sneaking up to him ...

                Night. On a patrol car, a remote-controlled module with a machine gun and an infrared sight. People did not see him, so he shot at unarmed as in a dash.
          2. Nosgoth
            Nosgoth 2 January 2016 07: 58 New
            0
            Drain counted
    5. hydrox
      hydrox 22 December 2015 17: 22 New
      12
      Quote: avvg
      Turks dig themselves in the grave. The Kurdish issue for Turkey is a time bomb.


      I give the tooth that very soon the PKK will receive a dozen containers with weapons and ammunition, otherwise it’s some kind of bad ratio, in an offensive battle it is usually the opposite and more significant.
      In general, Putin has a good chance to recoup on the Sultan ...
      1. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 22 December 2015 17: 38 New
        0
        Quote: hydrox
        In general, Putin has a good chance to recoup on the Sultan ...

        That's just the point that appears! But judging by the fact that our press is silent, no one will deliver anything to anyone.
        1. Temples
          Temples 22 December 2015 17: 47 New
          12
          Is our press the main supplier? laughing

          Our press will only say something when they allow it.

          Like any press.
        2. Extraneous
          Extraneous 22 December 2015 18: 54 New
          +3
          A delegation of Kurds arrives in Moscow this week for talks.
          The first consignments of weapons, from Russia, as I understand from the slipping messages, were already transferred to the Kurds last week, most likely through the Syrian army.
          The Kurds in Turkey do not have heavy weapons, and without such weapons the Turks will crush them.
          Turks can also go to the destruction of families in order to force Kurdish troops to leave the city.
          But this is in a very extreme case. This will not be possible to hide.

          Trading with Kurds in Moscow will be difficult. Kurds will demand recognition of autonomy. But Russia does not need autonomy in Syria. And Autonomy in Turkey will have to be won and maintained with Russian money.

          To recognize the autonomy of the Kurds in Turkey now is almost an automatic war with the Turks.
          Most likely, there will be a loud statement about the Kurds' right to self-determination, but no more.
          If the Kurds deliver an ultimatum to the United States, they won’t fight in Syria until Erdogan slams them. That state can and put pressure on Erdogan to translate the conflict into a frozen state. Kurds are very necessary to Americans.
    6. kit-kat
      kit-kat 22 December 2015 17: 25 New
      0
      Well, so far the ratio of 2 to 100 is not in favor of the PKK. So there are concerns that the Turks will crush the PKK.
    7. demo
      demo 22 December 2015 17: 42 New
      +1
      “Over the past five days, more than 100 militants of the PKK, as well as two Turkish soldiers, have been killed,” a source in security agencies told the publication.

      With such speed, the Turks will first drive the Kurds into the grave.
      Well, where is our help to the Ocalan brothers?
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 22 December 2015 17: 52 New
        +3
        as well as two Turkish soldiers, ”a source in law enforcement agencies told the publication. ,,
        and you read the dill press when the full-scale battles were on. you had no losses at all. now they are friends, and they’re transferring experience.
      2. Vitaly72
        Vitaly72 23 December 2015 00: 48 New
        0
        I beg you in our Caucasus what exchange? Well I won’t believe that the Janissaries would be cooler than our specialists
    8. veteran66
      veteran66 22 December 2015 18: 45 New
      0
      and they will crush the Kurds in this situation, everything looks like our Chechnya.
    9. reklats34
      reklats34 22 December 2015 19: 20 New
      0
      if you don’t solve it
    10. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 22 December 2015 19: 20 New
      12
      From the Kurdish Twitter page
    11. Uran
      Uran 22 December 2015 20: 47 New
      0
      just help the PKK. I remember in Soviet times we helped them. so why not help them now? having those relations with Turkey that have developed ?? avenge them for our pilots!
    12. Maxom75
      Maxom75 22 December 2015 22: 42 New
      +1
      it’s time to help the Syrian Kurds MANPADS and ATGMs, they urgently need to be transferred to them, and they themselves will forward the PKK
    13. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 22 December 2015 23: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: avvg
      Turks dig themselves in the grave. The Kurdish issue for Turkey is a time bomb.

      The Turks still have not closed the Armenian question.
    14. ver_
      ver_ 23 December 2015 05: 15 New
      0
      ... the flag in their hands ..
    15. Skif83
      Skif83 23 December 2015 07: 28 New
      0
      So it's time for us to inflate the wick!
    16. solovald
      solovald 23 December 2015 08: 09 New
      0
      Detected Captain Obvious ... incorrigible, unfortunately, their cohorts are here.
  2. Lord of Wrath
    Lord of Wrath 22 December 2015 17: 03 New
    -5
    It is necessary that the Turks, as always, show their nationalism and engage in the genocide of the Kurds. Here is a picture for the world community.
    Analysts promise full-scale war in Turkey in 17-19 years
    1. kush62
      kush62 22 December 2015 19: 19 New
      +3
      Lord of Wrath Today, 17:03 New
      It is necessary that the Turks, as always, show their nationalism and engage in the genocide of the Kurds. Here is a picture for the world community.
      Analysts promise full-scale war in Turkey in 17-19 years

      Something you comrade angry lord carry nonsense. Do you wish the death of millions of Kurds.
      1. Lord of Wrath
        Lord of Wrath 22 December 2015 19: 44 New
        -6
        Quote: kush62
        Something you comrade angry lord carry nonsense. Do you wish the death of millions of Kurds.

        Yes, by and large, I put the device on the Kurds, and on the Turks, and on the Syrians, too.
        That’s not brotherly people, that’s all. And if you consider that they are all Muslims, which means that from the 7 century they believe in the caliphate ...
        And the more they fight there, the better for us- and calmer and more profitable
        1. cap
          cap 22 December 2015 22: 50 New
          0
          Quote: Lord of Wrath
          And if you consider that they are all Muslims, which means that since the 7th century they believe in the caliphate ...

          Kurds are not Muslims and not Orthodox — they are Kurds in and of themselves.
          For Turks, not people at all. hi
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  3. Same lech
    Same lech 22 December 2015 17: 04 New
    0
    The answer came to ERDOGAN ... for the downed SU-24 and our killed pilot you will still answer.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 22 December 2015 17: 34 New
      +5
      They have been fighting there for a long time. Specifically, tanks were ironed in the summer. Moreover, then up to 20 people per day lost. Now, it’s more likely to finish off the PKK. After their Syrian Kurds threw up signing the SDF with the Americans, the PKK is doing very poorly.
  4. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 22 December 2015 17: 05 New
    0
    Are PKKs good or bad?
    1. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 22 December 2015 17: 12 New
      +8
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      Are PKKs good or bad?
      - For Russia, the PKK (Workers' Party of Kurdistan) is very GOOD even at this time.
    2. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 22 December 2015 17: 14 New
      +7
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      Are PKKs good or bad?


      And this, dear colleague, how to cook and serve. And again, in whose "kitchen" they will cook. The only thing that I can say with a high degree of probability is that we will not "get poisoned" from them. yes
  5. tomcat117
    tomcat117 22 December 2015 17: 05 New
    0
    Is this a combat suitcase of a Turkish special forces soldier?
  6. inkass_98
    inkass_98 22 December 2015 17: 06 New
    +7
    May I congratulate the Turks on the Civil War?
    1. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 22 December 2015 17: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: inkass_98
      May I congratulate the Turks on the Civil War?


      That's for sure, colleague, for the second half century has already passed. hi
  7. Egor123
    Egor123 22 December 2015 17: 06 New
    10
    Strange these Turks ...
    Turkey is fighting the Kurds, who are the main US ally in the region.
    At the same time, Turkey is a member of NATO ...
    No comments...
    1. Gormenghast
      Gormenghast 22 December 2015 17: 10 New
      16
      Turks are still very fond of Iraqi Kurds - they love that they consider them independent of Baghdad. And their - hmmm.
    2. Samen
      Samen 22 December 2015 17: 12 New
      +4
      That's right! In BV, EVERYONE is fighting against EVERYONE ... the overseas "partner" wished so!
    3. padded jacket
      padded jacket 22 December 2015 17: 17 New
      +4
      And there are serious battles with the use of tanks. As they say, the Turks are rushing to help terrorists from Daesh (IS), Al-Nusra seeing that they are losing after losing, in particular from the PKK, by the way, Israel is also screaming - We will help terrorists rush to destroy the fighters against terrorism of the valiant Hezbollah fighters:
    4. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 22 December 2015 17: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: Egor123
      Strange these Turks ...
      Turkey is fighting the Kurds, who are the main US ally in the region.
      At the same time, Turkey is a member of NATO ...
      No comments...


      East is a delicate matter, colleague! What comments are there on this issue, where are the Americans, there are no comments. laughing
      1. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 22 December 2015 17: 40 New
        0
        Quote: Vladimir 1964
        East is a delicate matter, colleague!

        What a delicate matter ?! The selfish question is not worth covering up with this mocked phrase. In the east, people are the same as everywhere else.
      2. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 22 December 2015 20: 09 New
        +6
        Quote: Vladimir 1964
        Quote: Egor123
        Strange these Turks ...
        Turkey is fighting the Kurds, who are the main US ally in the region.
        At the same time, Turkey is a member of NATO ...
        No comments...


        East is a delicate matter, colleague! What comments are there on this issue, where are the Americans, there are no comments. laughing


        In this situation, the Kurds surprise me more than the Turks. In Turkey they fight with the Turks, in Iraq they are friends with the Turks, well, in Syria they are friends with the United States and do not like the American allies of the Turks ...
        That is precisely why they are so many years old and everyone is bruised.
        Because they themselves do not know what they want ... well, except for the Great Kurdistan, of course. Only by the time of its creation the Kurds could end.
        1. -Traveller-
          -Traveller- 22 December 2015 22: 53 New
          0
          and there are still Turkmens, in fact, Turkmen, Syrian, Iraqi and Turkish (yuriks), and all these are different ethnic groups, but with the same name and common origin.
          here are also Kurds, one name, but different peoples.
  8. Specialist 77
    Specialist 77 22 December 2015 17: 08 New
    +6
    Quote: Dr. Bormental
    Are PKKs good or bad?
    everything that is to the detriment of the enemy is in our favor ..... why go into details? .... to Turks, Kurds, do not bend .... time is lost .....
  9. carabiner sks
    carabiner sks 22 December 2015 17: 09 New
    0
    Quote: Lord of Wrath
    It is necessary that the Turks, as always, show their nationalism and engage in the genocide of the Kurds. Here is a picture for the world community.
    Analysts promise full-scale war in Turkey in 17-19 years

    However, you have good methods of provocation - genocide ... Are you not sorry for civilians?
  10. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 22 December 2015 17: 09 New
    0
    Who started? Did the Kurds feel something? Or Erdogan finally lost its adequacy (which is very similar to the truth)?
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  12. spech
    spech 22 December 2015 17: 10 New
    +1
    about 200 thousand refugees have already caused an outcome

    Now again, they will start shaking money from the EU to arrange refugees.
  13. parafoiler
    parafoiler 22 December 2015 17: 10 New
    0
    Give more weapons to the Kurds !!! Powerful! Russian!
  14. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 22 December 2015 17: 11 New
    +4
    If you want, you can easily make another Syria from Turkey. Only taking into account how many weapons are there, it will be a disaster for the region.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 22 December 2015 17: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: dchegrinec
      Only taking into account how many weapons are there, it will be a disaster for the region.


      Erdogan saw that the Kurds ran to M-woo and decided to take a preemptive strike, but was late: Turkish Kurds will now receive weapons and plug these drawless 90 km of the border through which ISIS oil flows to Turkey ...
    2. ver_
      ver_ 23 December 2015 05: 46 New
      0
      ... yes, to hell with it, weapons - anyway, it shot ...
  15. Siberian
    Siberian 22 December 2015 17: 12 New
    +1
    The Turks of the Kurds will finally bring it, and they will run like a scythe on a stone.
  16. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 22 December 2015 17: 15 New
    +6
    However, Erdogan learned bad things in Hohland. This is a direct tracing-paper from events in the Donbass. Decisive offensive, push to the border and exterminate ...
    That's just the loss ratio is alarming. Either the Kurds forgot how to shoot, or the Janissaries thresh civilians, writing them off later as terrorists.
    In short, the Turks are eager for the Syrian border. What for? The answer is almost obvious.
    1. tol100v
      tol100v 22 December 2015 19: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      . This is a direct tracing-paper from events in the Donbass. Decisive offensive, push to the border and exterminate ...
      That's just the loss ratio is alarming.

      The Turks learned from the ukrovs and the losses were counted according to "ukrovski": We write one, one hundred in mind!
      1. samoletil18
        samoletil18 22 December 2015 19: 38 New
        0
        Here it is more correct: "We write 100, 1 in the mind" hi
    2. 4thParasinok
      4thParasinok 22 December 2015 21: 36 New
      +1
      However, Erdogan learned bad things in Hohland. This is a direct tracing-paper from events in the Donbass. Decisive offensive, push to the border and exterminate ...

      The Turks have been doing this for decades. You have bad schools, move to Russia ...
  17. combat66
    combat66 22 December 2015 17: 17 New
    +1
    Uh ... not so simple. The Turks began to clear the rear, which means they continue to prepare for a big fight.
  18. Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 22 December 2015 17: 17 New
    +2
    Urgent need to help Kurdistan !!!
    1. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 22 December 2015 22: 56 New
      0
      I collect money to help Kurdistan, I can send payment details in PM laughing
  19. cap
    cap 22 December 2015 17: 23 New
    11
    “Over the past five days, more than 100 PKK militants, as well as two Turkish military personnel, have died,” the publication said. source in power structures."
    Considering that the Turks are advancing, the ratio of losses is "linden", where are the wounded?
    What do the Janissary bullets fly around?
    I DO NOT BELIEVE ! wassat
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 22 December 2015 17: 32 New
      +3
      Maybe they shoot refugees in the back, as is customary with them? In any case, acting on the principle: the enemy of my enemy - my friend - is necessary! yes
    2. Siberian
      Siberian 22 December 2015 17: 32 New
      +1
      Such losses can only be if the unarmed peaceful are pressed. It will not rust with them.
  20. LPD17
    LPD17 22 December 2015 17: 31 New
    0
    We are waiting for: an unprecedented level of deliveries of weapons, equipment and equipment to PKK fighters.
  21. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 22 December 2015 17: 33 New
    0
    Erdogan decided to "slam the door" - is he not afraid to pinch something? It is not in Syria to go wild with the help of allies - we can help whoever we need to, including information!
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 22 December 2015 17: 39 New
      0
      While he feels his impunity, the Yankees are also happy. Sluggish Poroshenko is no longer able to do anything, but a more warlike Turk?! ... in any case, everything will be written off to the dismantling of Russia and Turkey ...
      1. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 17: 43 New
        0
        Quote: yuriy55
        While he feels his impunity, the Yankees are also happy. Sluggish Poroshenko is no longer able to do anything, but a more warlike Turk?! ... in any case, everything will be written off to the dismantling of Russia and Turkey ...

        I don't understand the logic in the commentary ... Who will write off? What does Poroshenko have to do with it? What are the "showdowns between Russia and Turkey"?
        What are you talking about?
        1. yuriy55
          yuriy55 22 December 2015 17: 57 New
          0
          The logic is this:

          Brew porridge over the ocean. Cook in a star-striped apron. The goal is to weaken the economic and political positions of Russia.

          Russia dragged into a conflict (civil war) in Ukraine? Only Poroshenko is no longer able to do something ...

          Russia found both the strength and the opportunity to participate in the fight against IS in Syria at the invitation of Assad. Turkey was involved here, which, having its own interests in Syria, was supposed to "wear down" the Russian Federation. The Turks shot down the Su-24, but with the tacit consent of the United States (NATO) ?! America seems to be from no side ...

          Erdogan decided to "slam the door" - not afraid to pinch something?


          Therefore, Erdogan "slams" doors, ears ... what else is there !!! And the Yankees are watching all these and rubbing their hands ... Russia, which has entered into a showdown at the BV, is increasingly drawn into the conflict.

          Here, in the conflict of Turks and Kurds, we will also be required to make some kind of decision ?! Not?

          request
          1. Zeppelin ml.
            Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 18: 04 New
            -2
            Quote: yuriy55
            Brew porridge

            Quote: yuriy55
            Dragged Russia

            Quote: yuriy55
            Russia has found both strength and opportunity

            Quote: yuriy55
            in Syria by invitation

            Quote: yuriy55
            Here they connected Turkey, which

            Quote: yuriy55
            but with the tacit consent

            Quote: yuriy55
            America seems to be on no side ...

            For a brief political review, of course, thanks.
            Quote: yuriy55
            Here, in the conflict of Turks and Kurds, we will also be required to make some kind of decision ?! Not?

            No. With what fright the Russian Federation to interfere in Turkish internal affairs, you will not prompt, eh? Especially "make a decision". We, sorry, Turkish Kurds - who?
  22. Zeppelin ml.
    Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 17: 38 New
    0
    “Over the past five days, more than 100 militants of the PKK, as well as two Turkish soldiers, have been killed,” a source in security agencies told the publication.

    50: 1? However..
    1. cniza
      cniza 22 December 2015 17: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: Zeppelin ml.
      “Over the past five days, more than 100 militants of the PKK, as well as two Turkish soldiers, have been killed,” a source in security agencies told the publication.

      50: 1? However..


      Looks very much like Erdogan - propaganda.
      1. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 17: 49 New
        0
        Quote: cniza
        Looks very much like Erdogan - propaganda.

        erdogand?
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  23. L. A. A.
    L. A. A. 22 December 2015 17: 54 New
    +1
    As I read about the Kurds, I admire their courage and good ability to fight more and more.
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 18: 07 New
      -4
      Quote: L. A. A.
      As I read about the Kurds, I admire their courage and good ability to fight more and more.

      Do you and the PKK attacks fascinate?
      What about double standards?
      1. L. A. A.
        L. A. A. 22 December 2015 18: 46 New
        0
        I completely agree. This aspect is very important. Terrorism is a very serious and bad business. Worthy of all condemnation.
  24. dison
    dison 22 December 2015 17: 58 New
    +4
    Quote: cap
    What do the Janissary bullets fly around?

    I’m wondering, are they always called here as Janissaries? If you follow Turkish history, there were just no Turks among the Janissaries.

    The Janissary Infantry was created by Sultan Murad I in 1365. A new army of Christian youths 12-16 years old was completed
    1. VOLOD
      VOLOD 22 December 2015 18: 33 New
      +2
      the guys didn’t study all the history carefully and write nonsense. Turks they and no one else. no janissaries at all.
      1. cap
        cap 22 December 2015 23: 03 New
        0
        Quote: dison
        Quote: cap
        What do the Janissary bullets fly around?

        I’m wondering, are they always called here as Janissaries? If you follow Turkish history, there were just no Turks among the Janissaries.

        The Janissary Infantry was created by Sultan Murad I in 1365. A new army of Christian youths 12-16 years old was completed

        Quote: VOLOD
        the guys didn’t study all the history carefully and write nonsense. Turks they and no one else. no janissaries at all.

        The guys studied history. I found it specially for YOU.
        Janissaries (tur. Yeniçeri (yenicheri) - the new warrior) - regular infantry of the Ottoman Empire in 1365-1826. The Janissaries, together with the Sipahs (heavy cavalry) and akyndzhi (light irregular cavalry) formed the basis of the army in the Ottoman Empire. They were part of the regiments of Kapykulu (the personal guard of the Sultan, consisting of professional warriors, officially considered to be Sultan slaves). In the Ottoman state, the Janissary regiments also performed police, security, fire and, if necessary, punitive functions. hi
    2. ver_
      ver_ 23 December 2015 06: 00 New
      0
      ... not at all - Dmitry Donskoy = Constantine the Great founded Constantinople = Tsar Grad after the Kulikovsky co-op - then he became the legitimate Tsar, taking the "crown" from his uncle Velyaminov, Khan Mamai ..
  25. capitosha1rang
    capitosha1rang 22 December 2015 17: 59 New
    0
    Seeds sown by comrade Sudoplatov, by order of the Chief agronomist of the 20 century, comrade Stalin finally started to sprout!
    And the crop promises to be plentiful ...
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 18: 09 New
      -2
      Quote: capitosha1rang
      Seeds sown by comrade Sudoplatov, by order of the Chief agronomist of the 20 century, comrade Stalin finally started to sprout!
      And the crop promises to be plentiful ...

      But in Europe, the climate for seeds was not suitable, apparently?
    2. ver_
      ver_ 23 December 2015 06: 10 New
      -2
      ... Stalin - a rodent - and that’s it. .. -this politician is a club of blood with mud ...
  26. atlantida04
    atlantida04 22 December 2015 18: 01 New
    +1
    The Turks clear the territory for gas pipelines and oil pipelines, but they clean uphill. will return to them all landslide Kurds
  27. L. A. A.
    L. A. A. 22 December 2015 18: 04 New
    +1
    It turns out that about 13-18 million people live in Turkey. Turks need not to fight, but to negotiate.
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 18: 13 New
      -1
      Quote: L. A. A.
      It turns out that about 13-18 million people live in Turkey.

      and where did you get the idea that all Kurds from this number are PKK supporters?
      Quote: L.A. A.
      Turks need not to fight, but to negotiate.
      But the Turks do not want to negotiate with the terrorists. Or the fact that the PKK is banned in Turkey as a Ter.org. - news for you?
  28. maxim1981
    maxim1981 22 December 2015 18: 19 New
    0
    As soon as the Kurds have success against the igils, the Turks carry out armed raids, a strange pattern
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 18: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: maximNNX
      As soon as the Kurds have success against the igils, the Turks carry out armed raids, a strange pattern

      But in more detail about the successes of the PKK in the fight against IS, is it possible?
      1. maxim1981
        maxim1981 22 December 2015 19: 01 New
        +2
        intimidation action not against rpk, but against Kurds
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 19: 42 New
          -2
          Quote: maximNNX
          intimidation action not against rpk, but against Kurds

          Oh really?
  29. vobels
    vobels 22 December 2015 18: 46 New
    +1
    "..The Turkish military and police special forces launched an unprecedented operation against the forces of the Kurdistan Workers' Party .." Looking at the footage, we see tanks and armored vehicles of the government, and the PKK?
  30. Signaller
    Signaller 22 December 2015 18: 46 New
    +1
    To make a good blade of Damascus steel, the blade must be forged for a long time and methodically. and then harden, imprison, and lo and behold ....... He, by a wave of a light movement of his hand, will tear down the head of the adversary going against his shoulders. Apparently, that blade is being forged, which will take down all this mosquito, headed by Erdogan’s head. And most importantly, then do not be surprised, why ????
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 18: 59 New
      -2
      Quote: Signaller
      To make a good blade of Damascus steel ... And most importantly, then do not be surprised, why ????

      metaphorically, yes. And what does "Damascus steel" have to do with it?
    2. ver_
      ver_ 23 December 2015 06: 20 New
      -1
      ... the best weapon is the ruin of a people's war ...
  31. fest 1973
    fest 1973 22 December 2015 18: 53 New
    0
    Quote: Yeraz
    Quote: devastator
    They simply killed many unarmed civilians, and for self-justification they declared them terrorists. After all, the seizure of hundreds of machine guns, tens of thousands of rounds and hundreds of grenades is not reported - apparently there is nothing to brag about.



    You are talking about these civilians with a grenade in hand and masked))

    It is clearly said that there were probably fewer "civilians" and the number of armed ones.
  32. jekasimf
    jekasimf 22 December 2015 19: 12 New
    +5
    The number of Kurds in Turkey is about 30 million and under them is a third of the country's territory. To understand the scale of the Turkish problem, it is enough to imagine Chechnya in the 90s on a third of the territory of Russia .... At least 200 thousand Turkish servicemen are now "connected" there. are born with a gun.
    And yet, Russia did not act with Turkey as it did with Russia, helping the Chechen fighters. And the debt in payment is beautiful ....
    Well, about the ratio of 2 to 100, so nobody canceled the propaganda. Let the Turkish "people hawala". If the Turks introduce tanks into the city, it means that no one resists them.
    1. maxim1981
      maxim1981 22 December 2015 19: 16 New
      0
      that's right to the point, correctly written
    2. Extraneous
      Extraneous 22 December 2015 20: 47 New
      0
      If the Turks bring tanks into the city, this means that no one is resisting them.


      Rather, it means that the Kurds have no anti-tank systems.
    3. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 22 December 2015 23: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: jekasimf
      The number of Kurds in Turkey is about 30 million and under them a third of the country's territory

      actually 15 million, which is also a lot. and under them is not a third of the territory, but the whole country, because resettled in all regions, including in Istanbul and Ankara. mass of mixed Turkish-Kurdish families.
      Quote: jekasimf
      just imagine the 90s Chechnya in a third of the territory of Russia

      I can’t imagine such a thing.
      Russian-Chechens and Turkish-Kurdish relations, to put it mildly, are not identical, at least due to the fact that the Turks are Muslims with the Kurds (I do not take Yezidis into account). Kurds are built into the political system of Turkey initially, from the Ottoman times. and even in the republic, the more so - Inyonu and rode to you as an example. By the way, a significant part of the Kurds regularly vote for PSR and Erdogan.
      Kurds, interestingly, played an important role in the development of the ideology of pan-Turkism - Ziya Gyokalp, for example.
  33. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 22 December 2015 19: 32 New
    +1
    the loss ratio is somehow unrealistic. It resembles a crest-statistics of losses in the Donbass, but here we see erdogandonostatistics! am
  34. olegkrava
    olegkrava 22 December 2015 20: 14 New
    0
    Quote: avvg
    “Over the past five days, more than 100 militants of the PKK, as well as two Turkish soldiers, have been killed,” a source in security agencies told the publication.


    Something like the destruction of the armored cavalry of the Buryats at Kaklov. It seems that mentors from their kaklostan also learn.
  35. Lev Leshchenko
    Lev Leshchenko 22 December 2015 20: 43 New
    0
    Sorry for ignorance: How to rate article rating?

    The news is useful and I put "+", although I perceive the described events negatively.

    I also look at the cons. They are ranked for the "quality" of the material, its content?
    Or all do not care?
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 23 December 2015 01: 56 New
      +1
      I put the author of the article "+"
      1) for the value - the novelty and capacity of the content - the information in the article that it carries;
      2) if I know the information, but it is well presented by the author, and I share it;

      Note
      If there are no authors, the article is editorial, I put "+" for the same reasons - I liked it, I didn't like it.
      You can not put anything - this is not necessary.
      1. Lev Leshchenko
        Lev Leshchenko 26 December 2015 23: 54 New
        0
        Quote: Tatiana
        I put the author of the article "+"

        Thank you Tatiana.
        Plus you. Clarity.
  36. Bjorn
    Bjorn 22 December 2015 21: 53 New
    +2
    Everything is very confusing there. Kurds are not homogeneous in religion. Some of them are Ezidis, some are Sunnis, there are Shiites, but they are least of all and they are in Iran. The Turks mercilessly fight with the Ezidis because of their strange religion, and in this they are in solidarity with the Isil terrorists. I talked with the Aesid, they are fanatically confident that God did not overthrow his best angel, Satan, to hell, but he left him the main angel. Well or something like that. Therefore, radical Sunnis consider them devil worshipers and mercilessly slaughtered. Hence the flirting of the Turks with the Kurds of the Sunni sense, and the fragmentation of the Kurdish movements. In short, as often happens, religion divided a single people.
    1. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 22 December 2015 23: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: Bjorn
      The Turks mercilessly fight with the Ezidis because of their strange religion, and in this they are in solidarity with the Isil terrorists.

      as well as Iraqi Kurds. the Yezidis themselves lay almost the main blame for their genocide on the barzani.
  37. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 22 December 2015 22: 10 New
    0
    ... killed more than 100 PKK militants, as well as two Turkish soldiers


    Something loss ratio is strange. PKK soldiers unarmed, in full growth go on the attack on fortified areas?
  38. tehnokrat
    tehnokrat 22 December 2015 22: 17 New
    +1
    Quote: lelikas
    Exchange 1 to 50 - or I don’t understand something, or the Kurds, from weapons, have only stones

    The Turks have the following instruction: if they have "200", then the Kurds should have 50.
    Here, 4 days ago, here:
    ›VO, Events
    In the south-east of Turkey during the battle with the Kurdish armed forces killed Turkish serviceman December 18 2015
    ... the Turkish army, together with the police, conducts an "anti-terrorist operation" in the area of ​​Diyarbakir (there is a NATO airbase there) and Nusaybin ... Turkish armed forces killed about fifty Kurds ... "

    But one cannot show one’s losses: after multiplying by 50 a lot is obtained, they will accuse him of using chemical weapons.
  39. not main
    not main 23 December 2015 00: 02 New
    +2
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: Lev Leshchenko
    Quote: Black
    .... and where is Makarevich with concerts for Turkish "cyborgs" ...

    The damned shut up.

    He’s actually on tour in Israel.
    I’m going to his concert tomorrow. hi

    And I’ll never go to his concerts!
  40. Linkin
    Linkin 23 December 2015 01: 46 New
    0
    As always, when the Turks protect Daish, human rights defenders are silent when they kill Kurds, they are silent, as soon as any country starts the fight against terror, this rottenness pops up with the slogan "onizhedeti" ...
  41. Wolka
    Wolka 23 December 2015 05: 32 New
    +1
    with all this, but I am on the side of the PKK, this party and its people have long deserved to be on this earth under the sun, and not to throw them chestnuts so that the Turks wash themselves ...
  42. Evil 55
    Evil 55 23 December 2015 08: 16 New
    0
    Once the people illegally divided by Britain between the four states, the people must be united ... For the Naglichs did it on purpose, that peace in the Middle East never reigned ...
  43. dorogvalera
    dorogvalera 23 December 2015 14: 34 New
    0
    100 "militants" and 2 servicemen, such a spread can only be if the "militants" were simply shot,