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Kiev is ready to buy gas from Russia, but only at "European" prices

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Ukraine is ready to purchase natural gas from Russia in 1 of 2016 g, but only at prices comparable to European ones, which is now less than $ 200 per thousand cubic meters, reports RIA News Statement by the Minister of Energy of Ukraine Volodymyr Demchishin.




“We are not talking about price reduction, we are not talking about a discount, we are talking about an adequate price for today. From the European direction, we buy gas at a price of less than 200 dollars, moreover, we have enough reserves to calmly watch the passage of the heating season. Therefore, I see no reason to agree on what we are offered. If they cannot offer an adequate price that is comparable to the European price, Ukraine simply will not buySaid the minister.

He noted that Kiev "is awaiting a decision from Russia during this week."

Earlier in December, Russian Energy Minister Alexander Novak reported that Kiev had not yet approached Gazprom about gas discounts, which could be supplied in 1 quarter of 2016. He also noted that “understanding the size of the gas contract price for Ukraine for this period may appear on the next (now this) week. ”
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  1. heal
    heal 22 December 2015 09: 01
    19
    And they will start selling.
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      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 22 December 2015 09: 12
        21
        Kiev is ready to buy gas from Russia, but only at "European" prices

        And we once sold them in Jewish ?? They gave discounts to good neighbors, but those days are gone. And they also managed to steal.
        1. Момент
          Момент 22 December 2015 09: 23
          14
          Dill are having fun. We don’t give up debts, we buy gas (they are doing a favor, probably to Russia) for as much as we want. Let them jump higher and more often. People feel sorry for the politics of these "figures"
          1. Byshido_dis
            Byshido_dis 22 December 2015 09: 28
            +9
            If they cannot offer an adequate price that is comparable to the European one, Ukraine simply will not buy, ”the minister said.
            - Yes and no! After all, are we in the market or something that they are being traded? The product has a price, and when they say to the seller that they will not buy at that price, what does the seller say? =)
            1. cniza
              cniza 22 December 2015 09: 36
              +6
              Cheeks are puffed up ... we are almost Europe ... colder soon and what will we hear?
              1. _Vladislav_
                _Vladislav_ 22 December 2015 11: 22
                +3
                Quote: cniza
                colder soon and what will we hear?

                Something I already doubt that the classic Russian winter is possible this year.
                In Moscow, +5, typical Chicago weather for this time of year.

                The people feel sorry for the policy of these "figures"

                Why is it a pity, for which they jumped as they say. The people in their minds wanted to follow the American dream and European values. So he went.
              2. skaramaks27
                skaramaks27 22 December 2015 11: 45
                +6
                Already heard. A relative lives in a suburb of Kiev. Instead of a gas boiler, I set it for firewood. Gas EXPENSIVE! Peremoga! laughing
                1. Altona
                  Altona 22 December 2015 13: 39
                  +2
                  Quote: skaramaks27
                  Instead of a gas boiler, I set it for firewood. Gas EXPENSIVE!

                  --------------------
                  They buy for 200, and the population sells one figs as if they bought for 400. And in general, let them buy wherever they want and what they want, they have Europe, Omeryga, FTA, visa-free regime, rescue and hello. It is necessary to build a bypass transit and close the GTS after 2020.
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            3. veksha50
              veksha50 22 December 2015 09: 58
              16
              Quote: Byshido_dis
              Finally are we on the market or somethingwhat are they trading?



              Surprisingly, yes, we are in the market ...

              And if they "like" to import liquefied gas from penguins from Antarctica, that's their right ... They don't need to interfere with this ...

              The flag in their hands, the pipe in the ass ...
              1. GSH-18
                GSH-18 22 December 2015 10: 22
                +2
                Quote: veksha50
                Quote: Byshido_dis
                Finally are we on the market or somethingwhat are they trading?



                Surprisingly, yes, we are in the market ...

                And if they "like" to import liquefied gas from penguins from Antarctica, that's their right ... They don't need to interfere with this ...

                The flag in their hands, the pipe in the ass ...

                And what is there to be surprised? Australia buy coal fool
                1. veksha50
                  veksha50 22 December 2015 11: 32
                  +2
                  Quote: GSH-18
                  Australia buy coal



                  I beg your pardon, sir ... In South Africa they are buying coal, at least one trial batch has already been unloaded ...

                  Coal there is better than in Australia ... Black-black ...
                  1. GSH-18
                    GSH-18 22 December 2015 22: 04
                    +2
                    Quote: veksha50
                    I beg your pardon, sir ... In South Africa they buy coal

                    Yes. Thanks for the important amendment. And yet .. Also not dipped. This coal contains more impurities, in particular sulfur, from which the metal parts of the boiler equipment will carrod much faster than from Donbass coal! But Svidomo did not how much, until again Che thread pulled request
                  2. Ze Kot
                    Ze Kot 23 December 2015 09: 58
                    0
                    Quote: veksha50
                    Coal there is better than in Australia ... Black-black ...



                    Smacks of racism wink
                    1. veksha50
                      veksha50 23 December 2015 13: 18
                      0
                      Quote: The Cat
                      Smacks of racism



                      Unprovable ... I just stated the color of coal, which ukraine liked more than not quite black Russian and Donbass and really quite brown - from the western regions of Ukraine ...

                      PS Racism would be if I accused this coal of not being black enough or not white (gray) ...
            4. Grim Reaper
              Grim Reaper 22 December 2015 11: 04
              +2
              The seller says: -Ara, wait ... how much do you give? (The usual market situation) :)
          2. Gormenghast
            Gormenghast 22 December 2015 09: 44
            +3
            Yeah; even symmetric sanctions are threatening to terminate the agreement on a free economic zone in the CIS. They are going to bomb the Kerch crossing. They count the trillions of dollars that Russia owes them. laughing The fun is in full swing.

            And all these gestures instead of dealing with the economy. Ukrainian economy = from whom and how much to borrow (to steal)?
            1. Altona
              Altona 22 December 2015 13: 40
              +2
              Quote: Gormengast
              They are going to bomb the Kerch crossing.

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              How to bomb? By your farts?
              1. samoletil18
                samoletil18 22 December 2015 14: 46
                0
                Quote: Altona
                Quote: Gormengast
                They are going to bomb the Kerch crossing.

                -----------------------
                How to bomb? By your farts?

                If these "dumkoy rich" are going to bomb the Kerch crossing, then NATO will provide them with everything that is available in warehouses - free of charge. Only there the last pilot moved to the Rada, wants to live.
                1. GSH-18
                  GSH-18 22 December 2015 22: 11
                  0
                  Quote: samoletil18
                  If these "dumkoy rich" are going to bomb the Kerch crossing, then NATO will provide them with everything that is available in warehouses - free of charge.

                  I doubt it very much! In NATO provocateurs and not suicides.
              2. GSH-18
                GSH-18 22 December 2015 22: 08
                0
                Quote: Altona
                Quote: Gormengast
                They are going to bomb the Kerch crossing.

                -----------------------
                How to bomb? By your farts?

                They have inflatable boats there lol Amerika presented with a gentleman’s shoulder. That’s where they will be shot and slammed from slingshots to enhance the effect! laughing
          3. meriem1
            meriem1 22 December 2015 11: 47
            +2
            Quote: Moment
            Dill are having fun. We don’t give up debts, we buy gas (they are doing a favor, probably to Russia) for as much as we want. Let them jump higher and more often. People feel sorry for the politics of these "figures"


            This people chose their own power !!! Do not feel sorry for them, otherwise they will be offended! MI is so clear that Putin is to blame for everything. Even in the fact that they are jumping .... It’s their zombie zombies for a ride.
          4. Yuyuka
            Yuyuka 22 December 2015 12: 59
            +5
            The people feel sorry for the politics of these "figures"

            And whose people are sorry ?? For example, I feel sorry for my own people - our price will be increased for everything, and nobody forgives debts to anyone - do not care that he lost his job or cut his salary! Anticipating - I’m not talking to myself, I somehow get out of it, although work without days off is annoying, but it’s easier than to see and hear how the grandson asks about delicious food, and you start telling adult fairy tales about evil uncles to him!
            Here is the latest news - an acquaintance told about NEVZ - which builds electric locomotives, and soon we will probably hear - "built" a problem with orders, the salary was 40, now 15 thousand. Here it is not clear at all! We don't need electric locomotives ?? Or China will help us - sell at an adequate price ?? Where is this import substitution and the rise of its production? and more ... oil is off the charts in terms of falling prices - has anyone seen a decline in fuel prices?
          5. lis-ik
            lis-ik 22 December 2015 16: 02
            +1
            Well, here we should rather feel sorry for our people, the main thing is that the government and as I understood the president do not want to get off the dependence on raw materials, everything suits everyone, so we will make concessions and wait for the rise in oil prices! This was clearly read at the press conference. Now the Chinese, too, openly speak with "soft" terms about the insanity of our economic bloc.
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        2. Awaz
          Awaz 22 December 2015 11: 32
          +2
          Well, in fairness, Gazprom (and not you and me) sold gas to Ukraine during the reign of the "gas princess" at the highest prices in Europe (with rare exceptions) This is the fault of this very princess, who used to buy gas and thus paid off Gazprom for theft (for that Yanek sent her to the bunk) The discount was because the contract was concluded and was in effect.
          About the fact that in the EU they buy the same Gazprom gas on the cheap ... this is a bit of bullshit, although in principle it can take place, since Gazprom concludes contracts according to the "take or pay" scheme and based on the recession, gas needs in the EU are falling They are obliged to choose gas and, based on this, can supply the Ukrainians, but I do not think that they really throw off much there, although they can generally supply it for free. But that's a completely different story.
        3. KazaK Bo
          KazaK Bo 22 December 2015 13: 19
          +4
          GSH-18
          And we once sold them in Jewish ?? They gave discounts to good neighbors, but those days are gone. And they also managed to steal.

          Yes ... they sold at European prices, but with discounts and other benefits for the fraternal people. PAYMENT THEREFORE ... so the gas was a little for 300 dollars ... and less.
          The gas price was tied to the oil price ... when the oil was over $ 100 ... and the gas price was from $ 380 to $ 450/1000 cubic meters. m ... depending on the term of payment (the so-called "long money" - payment in 5-6 months after delivery at a price of up to $ 450 and "short money" - payment in 2-3 months at a price of $ 350) ...
          The oil price has dropped THREE TIMES ... THE GAS PRICE DROPTED RESPECTIVELY DUE TO THE GAS PRICE ASSOCIATION TO THE OIL PRICE AND NOW IN EUROPE IT IS CLOSE TO 200doll \ 1 cubic meters ...
          This is where the Ukropovtsev demands for a European price ... plus a discount for the "fraternal" people !!!! But DO WE NEED TO SELL THE GAS AT THIS PRICE? TAKE A MISSER ... SO WE WILL NOT LONGER IF WE SEND THEM AGAIN TO SLOVAKIANS AND HUNGARIANS ... It will be somewhat more expensive for Kiev ... but Slovaks and Hungarians will take more from us for re-export ... And Kiev - to promise and continue to love and worry about the people, but the TOBACCO WITH THEM IS ALWAYS !!!
      2. 79807420129
        79807420129 22 December 2015 09: 14
        14
        Svidomo insolence does not hold, greyhound at the end, maybe enough horses to feed then.
    2. vkl-47
      vkl-47 22 December 2015 09: 06
      28
      let them buy from geyrops through the northern stream. at the European price
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 22 December 2015 09: 09
        +5
        He noted that Kiev "is awaiting a decision from Russia during this week."

        Well, that’s right: this week is very warm, and it should get colder the next, respectively, and it will be more difficult to bargain gas cheaper for Kiev. smile
        In general, Kiev is becoming impudent, because the issue of Nord Stream 2 is pending.
        1. Gormenghast
          Gormenghast 22 December 2015 10: 23
          +3
          In Kiev, the forecast cooling since December 30; exactly timed to default. laughing

          Weather conspired with evil Russia. laughing
      2. GSH-18
        GSH-18 22 December 2015 09: 26
        +1
        Quote: vkl-47
        let them buy from geyrops through the northern stream. at the European price

        Yeah, right now! There are no drakes in Europe. Give Krajina Russian gas bought for its hard-earned euros? They know how to count money in Europe.
        1. Extraneous
          Extraneous 22 December 2015 10: 05
          0
          To support tensions between the Outskirts and Russia, Europeans are quite capable of giving preferential prices for reverse gas supplies to the outskirts in order to force Russia to lower prices. In view of the debts of the outskirts will give a maximum of six months, a year. This Germany is quite capable of withstanding.
          Russia will sell gas naturally. We do not need cries about the "genocide of the border people" from Europe. But there will be no discounts. European prices were calculated on a long-term contract at average prices for the entire contract period. The contract with the Outskirts will most likely be for a year. And prices will be calculated based on the current economic situation.
      3. Gormenghast
        Gormenghast 22 December 2015 10: 20
        +2
        Qatar has LNG for $ 800. Ukr friends-Turks now, apparently, will let Qatari tankers through the Bosphorus.

        There is no terminal; will regasify over the Maidan bonfire from tires. laughing
    3. ohtsistem
      ohtsistem 22 December 2015 09: 07
      +7
      angry Zadolbali svidomye !!! All the time, their conditions dictate! And amusing everyone and everything they owe. recourse
    4. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 22 December 2015 09: 09
      +7
      Quote: heal
      And they will start selling.
      - Why not? All these games are not ours, and we have nothing from this, and absolutely nothing depends on our desire (or not desire). We can toko "wisely" reason without lifting the fifth point. And all this screeching and squeaking, let's leave it to the politicians. They receive money for this business. And not frail.
      Although I, too, Yatsenyuk and Co. got bored. When this madhouse ends!
    5. Samaritan
      Samaritan 22 December 2015 09: 22
      0
      And how much will it be in hryvnias? Especially after default?
      1. Executer
        Executer 22 December 2015 11: 32
        0
        Hryvnia exchange rate of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, rub. for 10 UAH 22.12.15 30,1929 -0,1567
    6. avia1991
      avia1991 22 December 2015 09: 27
      +4
      Quote: heal
      And they will start selling.

      Start, no options!
      What do you want? We have a "free market". And it doesn't matter that they wipe their feet about the Honor and Dignity of the Motherland, "money does not smell," as is commonly believed. Although from Gazprom, for example, they often carry shit .. and the Turkish ones smell like the blood of Syrians and Iraqi citizens.
      Actually, I don’t understand the difference: Hoh. They buy
      From the European direction
      - Well, let them buy there! What for do we bother with their claims ?! The gas that they sell to them is ours anyway - and Gazprom does not lose from this, practically!
      Or I'm wrong? what
      1. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 22 December 2015 10: 22
        +7
        Quote: avia1991
        What do you want? We have a "free market". And do not care that about the Honor and Dignity of the Motherland, they wipe their feet,


        Honor, dignity ..., do not tell my slippers! In politics, such concepts have never existed, there is a concept of the interests of the country! Russia's interest in this case is to sell gas to Europe and prevent Americans from getting into this market! And all these squeals about honor and dignity, this is an empty shake of air for cheers! Budget What will you fill with ?! What shisha to live and fight ?! In the conditions of the declared economic war, when oil prices and gas prices fell, when the budget is in short supply, and the war needs money and a lot of money! In such circumstances, let's shout, let's block the pipe, either provocateurs or not smart people (not smart people - read according to Lavrov)! fool
        1. ancient
          ancient 22 December 2015 11: 50
          +1
          Quote: Diana Ilyina
          And all these squeals about honor and dignity, this is an empty shake of air for cheers! Budget What will you fill with?


          Dear Diana ... your "urya-patriotic impulse" is understandable, but .... how can you comment on this .. "statement" of one of the "owners of the national heritage" wink

          MOSCOW, December 21. / TASS /. Production at Gazprom Neft's traditional fields will remain profitable even at an oil price of $ 15 per barrel. This statement was made by the CEO of Gazprom Neft, Alexander Dyukov, in an interview with the Russia 24 TV channel.
          "Even in conditions of low prices, production is still profitable for us early. Even at a price of $ 15 per barrel, production at our traditional well-developed fields will still continue and will be profitable," Dyukov said.
          "At the same fields, if we talk about new drilling, even the price of $ 20 per barrel will allow us to increase production and conduct drilling," added the head of Gazprom Neft.


          Taken from here -Http: //tass.ru/ekonomika/2546415

          If you make a very simple arithmetic calculations lol , then with the oil price of 100 and above "Baku rubles" ..... "tops are more than $ 85" wassat

          so your "urya-statement" - ".... when the prices for oil and, accordingly, for gas were brought down, when the budget goes with a deficit, and the war needs money and money is very big!
          you know .. what looks like lol

          Well, the eternal question ... (but according to Vysotsky) .... SO WHERE MONEY ... ZIN wassat
          1. Diana Ilyina
            Diana Ilyina 22 December 2015 12: 13
            +7
            Quote: ancient
            Well, the eternal question ... (but according to Vysotsky) .... SO WHERE MONEY ... ZIN wassat


            Well, with whom and with whom, and with you, my least desire is to engage in polemics! Hunchback, as they say, will correct the grave! What do you not sit in your foreign country ?! What are you doing on this site ?! What is boring in America or where did you dig in there ?! Or nostalgia tortured ?!

            P.S. You that from that money ?!
            1. ancient
              ancient 22 December 2015 15: 39
              +1
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              Well, with whom and with whom, and with you, my least desire is to engage in polemics! Hunchback, as they say, will correct the grave! What do you not sit in your foreign country ?! What are you doing on this site ?! What is boring in America or where did you dig in there ?! Or nostalgia tortured ?!


              Engage in polemics and with whom belay with you.... wassat I will not go further, otherwise they will again "be accused2 of rudeness in relation to the" weaker sex " wink

              But reading your "libel" it becomes sad, because it is just like you, "chorus girls" who call themselves "engineers" and collect "Testers" in Smolensk, who ... well, then everyone already knows that ... without tears you won't look recourse

              Well, I had something to do with the army, but let me be curious .. what are you doing on this site? With "Dom-2" with "fright" .. not confused lol
              1. Diana Ilyina
                Diana Ilyina 22 December 2015 16: 00
                +7
                Quote: ancient
                Well, I had something to do with the army, but let me be curious .. what are you doing on this site? With "Dom-2" with "fright" .. not confused lol


                1. I didn’t expect anything other than rudeness from you! At the expense of your mental abilities, and so it is clear that your level is below the baseboard! fool

                2. Be sad in your "homeland" and do not meddle in my country! crying

                3. "House-2", what is this ?! request
                1. ancient
                  ancient 22 December 2015 16: 17
                  -1
                  Quote: Diana Ilyina
                  1. I did not expect anything other than rudeness from you


                  So I wrote about this in the first "answer" to you ... well, of course ... stamps are stamps .. just a little, right away .. "rudeness" lol
                  And as a matter of fact the question, what can you answer .. except for "urya-slogans"?

                  Quote: Diana Ilyina
                  At the expense of your mental abilities, and so it is clear that your level is below the baseboard!


                  Well, just TOP .. "INTELLIGENCE" lol

                  Quote: Diana Ilyina
                  2. Be sad in your "homeland" and do not meddle in my country!


                  Never advise strangers what to do, then they will not tell you where to go ... lol

                  Quote: Diana Ilyina
                  3. "House-2", what is this ?!


                  This is your EVERYTHING !!! wassat
            2. Aleksandr1959
              Aleksandr1959 22 December 2015 21: 19
              -1
              Alexander-2 . Doesn’t she read your messages at all? It is written quite clearly in some part of Russia that you live, the conclusions of what you did ... any person will make the slightest bit in the subject. And then the slogan slogans. And absolute reluctance to understand the opponent.
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 22 December 2015 15: 50
            0
            If you make well, very simple ARITHMETIC calculations lol, then with the oil price of 100 and above "Baku rubles" ..... "tops are more than 85 $" wassat


            This is economics, my friend, not arithmetic. There is such a thing as a "tax maneuver". When oil prices are high, three bast is torn from the producers, so that a significant share of their income went to taxes. Now the burden of taxation is shifted to the producer (everyone who processes hydrocarbons). That is why gasoline rises in price when oil prices fall. Raw materials are falling, but taxes are rising. And with the growth of oil, it does not fall, because raw materials grow with a decrease in the tax burden.
            So your arithmetic is not correct.

            Threat. No need to explain to me about yachts and Chelsea. I am aware of what the oligarchs are and how they spoil Russia. Just really in this case, the arithmetic is not true.
            1. ancient
              ancient 22 December 2015 16: 24
              0
              Quote: alicante11
              This is economics, my friend, not arithmetic.


              I’ll answer briefly .. only recently flew from "Dubai" well, nifiga there, gasoline is not growing, but for example, it is decreasing along with the cost of oil ... a paradox? wassat
              And why is it in all other countries the same .. if they have "different oil"?
              You say taxes are growing? And we sell oil for a hundred ... rubles? No ... for "Baku" and analogs pay in what? Oh .. appears in rubles lol
              And now what course .....
              Well .. you put a cool "gasket" at the end good "There is no need to explain to me about yachts and Chelsea. I know what oligarchs are and how they shit on Russia."
              Like, you know how it really is, and I know, but ... now it's not in trend .. so we only want "KU" wassat

              But with such "explanations" as you wrote and .. the brains of such brainless chickens as Diana are "littered" and then they "sneak" closer to the feeder and "rule" fool
        2. S_last
          S_last 22 December 2015 16: 58
          -1
          Which syllable is strongly written. Budget, live, war, big money.
          How all this fits perfectly into the definition .....

          “The main features and requirements of the basic economic law of modern capitalism could be formulated in approximately the following way: ensuring maximum capitalist profit by exploiting, ruining and impoverishing the majority of the population of a given country, by enslaving and systematically robbing the peoples of other countries, especially backward countries, and finally, by wars and the militarization of the national economy used to ensure the highest profits ”
          I.V. Stalin
          "Economic problems of socialism in the USSR." Op., T. 16, p. 181.
          1. ancient
            ancient 22 December 2015 17: 25
            0
            Quote: S_last
            Which syllable is strongly written. Budget, live, war, big money.
            How all this fits perfectly into the definition .....


            here you go lol"the girl" was "preparing" this way .. "performing" wassat, and you just like that .. BAM and .... lol +! drinks



            But she still won't understand ... it's too much for her ... "a lot of bukFF" lol
    7. Senior manager
      Senior manager 22 December 2015 09: 30
      0
      Keyword SELL, and get paid for it. Here is such a simple scheme.
    8. drundel861
      drundel861 22 December 2015 09: 39
      0
      They will start, and we will also be told by a legitimate state, we are open to a diaologist, will offer a discount to the mate am No words, one mate
    9. papas-57
      papas-57 22 December 2015 09: 46
      0
      Sell ​​Khokhlov for $ 200 for 500 cubic meters. The price is European, the volume is Russian.
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    11. Vend
      Vend 22 December 2015 09: 53
      0
      Quote: heal
      And they will start selling.

      It will be worse for them. Before demanding this, we wondered how much they were buying in the West.
    12. Sharapov
      Sharapov 22 December 2015 10: 12
      +1
      Winter is still warm, gas consumption is scanty - that’s what the Ukrainians are racing about. Let's see how the weather will freeze in January and February. Although what difference does it make - January 1 is all one default ....
    13. avt
      avt 22 December 2015 10: 21
      +2
      Quote: heal
      And they will start selling.

      They will start if the prepayment is at the price of Gazprom the money allocated by the IMF, and the IMF combined the November tranche with the December tranche and ..... postponed the payment for some month of 2016.
      In general, cool guys - they need gas and they .....
      “We are not talking about reducing prices, we are not talking about discounts, we are talking about an adequate price for today. From the European direction, we buy gas at a price of less than $ 200, moreover, we have enough reserves to calmly watch the passage of the heating season. Therefore, I see no reason to agree to what is offered to us. If they cannot offer an adequate price that is comparable to the European one, Ukraine simply will not buy, ”the minister said.

      He noted that Kiev "is awaiting a decision from Russia during this week."
      wassat This is a medical diagnosis, so turn the inside of the mink’s mink with the fur inside. laughing
    14. Hon
      Hon 22 December 2015 11: 58
      0
      Well, if Kiev has something to pay for, why not sell it?
  2. Fisman
    Fisman 22 December 2015 09: 01
    13
    The buyer dictates the price to the seller - madhouse and unprecedented arrogance!
    1. Alexei
      Alexei 22 December 2015 09: 04
      +5
      Quote: Fisman
      The buyer dictates the price to the seller - madhouse and unprecedented arrogance!

      With these "harsh" winters, you can bend your fingers.
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 22 December 2015 09: 07
        0
        Quote: Alexej
        Quote: Fisman
        The buyer dictates the price to the seller - madhouse and unprecedented arrogance!

        With these "harsh" winters, you can bend your fingers.


        You are right, winters have become really warm. Only today in Novosibirsk there are frosts in -25, but in two days we are promised -1 and sleet, and this is December, the center of Siberia. What can we say about the traditionally warm Ukraine? Where is our General Frost, need geopolitical help smile Oh, damn Gulf Stream ... angry
        1. Alexei
          Alexei 22 December 2015 09: 19
          +1
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          Only today in Novosibirsk frosts set in -25, but two days later they promise -1 and wet snow, and this is December, the center of Siberia

          I have a feeling that these phenomena are climate weapons. After all, somewhere 80% of gas production is located in the permafrost of the north. The pipes are located at a depth that does not thaw (does not thaw), which leads to the prevention of soil deformation and accidents on these "strings" of pipes. And with winters like this, there are a lot of accidents.
        2. aleks 62 next
          aleks 62 next 22 December 2015 09: 30
          0
          ...... Eh, damn Gulf Stream ...

          ... The Gulf Stream has nothing to do with it .... On the contrary, it should get colder .... But there is no frost ... request
    2. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 09: 09
      +2
      Quote: Fisman
      The buyer dictates the price to the seller - madhouse and unprecedented arrogance!

      why is it "unprecedented"? Gas precedents were with Italians, Lithuanians, Finns. This is the routine of knocking out discounts against the backdrop of falling prices and not the best times for the state-owned industry. There will be discounts, this is clear. Gazprom is not in a situation to dictate something to someone.
    3. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 22 December 2015 09: 09
      +1
      Quote: Fisman
      The buyer dictates the price to the seller - madhouse and unprecedented arrogance!

      The impudence is that the buyer is absolutely bankrupt. What is with a discount, what is without a discount - all the same "a penny of nem". So such statements are mere theorizing, not constructive dialogue.
      1. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 09: 22
        0
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        The impudence is that the buyer is absolutely bankrupt. What is with a discount, what is without a discount - all the same "a penny of nem".

        make no mistake - there are pennies. The EBRD is financing.
      2. evge-malyshev
        evge-malyshev 22 December 2015 10: 46
        0
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        So such statements are a bare theorizing, not a constructive dialogue.


        Moreover, in such an ultimatum form: they give a week for reflection.
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 11: 25
          +1
          Quote: evge-malyshev
          Moreover, in such an ultimatum form: they give a week for reflection.

          Novak will agree much earlier.
    4. Row
      Row 22 December 2015 09: 33
      +2
      In general, it is the buyer's right to search for goods at the price of interest to him. And at such a price there is a product on the market. So we have to wait - a little time will pass, and it will become clear how much Gazprom and those who stand behind it will appreciate their words said earlier.
    5. anfil
      anfil 22 December 2015 10: 54
      +2
      They cannot officially dictate, but only through Facebook, since the price of gas is according to the gas contract 2009-2019. tied to fuel oil and calculated quarterly according to the formula




      To determine the price for January 1, you need to take the average price for fuel oil (of a certain composition) from April to December of the previous year.

      Oil is getting cheaper, and perhaps the price of gas will be lower.

      Gas contract:http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/articles/2009/01/22/4462671/
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 22 December 2015 11: 48
        0
        Quote: anfil
        Oil is getting cheaper, and perhaps the price of gas will be lower.

        Oil and its price are temporary!
        But in vain they offend Santa Claus, because he could help them.
  3. Atrix
    Atrix 22 December 2015 09: 01
    +2
    What is the problem of Kiev, do you want to buy gas, do you want to not. And then another condition sets
  4. gray smeet
    gray smeet 22 December 2015 09: 02
    0
    An old song about the main thing (for Ukraine). Buy in Europe ...
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 09: 10
      0
      Quote: gray smeet
      . Buy in Europe ...

      Xoxles already buy in Europe for European money.
      1. Byshido_dis
        Byshido_dis 22 December 2015 09: 28
        0
        Ukrainians buy nashzhe gas in Europe)))) Europe will cross over it and give a discount, i.e. they buy one at a time and in Ukraine they also give one and a half times cheaper as a gum. help svidomo ...
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 09: 48
          +1
          Quote: Byshido_dis
          Ukrainians buy nashche gas in Europe))))

          so what? Ours were rebelled about the inadmissibility of reverse and resale, but they were carefully put in place by the lawyers of gas operators.
        2. evge-malyshev
          evge-malyshev 22 December 2015 10: 59
          0
          Quote: Byshido_dis
          Europe will cross over and give a discount, i.e. they buy one at a time and in Ukraine they also give one and a half times cheaper as a gum. help svidomo ...


          Well, so be it. Ukrovskaya pipe rot, you look and Nord Stream-2 will move.
          1. Zeppelin ml.
            Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 18: 00
            0
            Quote: evge-malyshev
            Ukrov pipe rot

            will not rot yet. The guarantor guaranteed.
        3. evge-malyshev
          evge-malyshev 22 December 2015 10: 59
          0
          Quote: Byshido_dis
          Europe will cross over and give a discount, i.e. they buy one at a time and in Ukraine they also give one and a half times cheaper as a gum. help svidomo ...


          Well, so be it. Ukrovskaya pipe rot, you look and Nord Stream-2 will move.
  5. Wild_grey_wolf
    Wild_grey_wolf 22 December 2015 09: 02
    +1
    to whom how much GAS, everything turned into a soap opera.
  6. Fitter65
    Fitter65 22 December 2015 09: 03
    +1
    Cool! And they have something to buy this gas? !!
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 22 December 2015 09: 06
      +6
      Take an advance payment of $ 3 billion from them and refuse to supply gas. Get a return of public debt. Let them go crazy.
  7. ILYA M
    ILYA M 22 December 2015 09: 03
    +5
    He would have rather argued so briskly about repaying debts for already supplied gas. This is the market - if you don’t want, don’t take it, stoke it with firewood.
    1. Evgen_Vasilich
      Evgen_Vasilich 22 December 2015 09: 28
      0
      drown with straw and dung! twin with daish dungsters they will throw a lot!
  8. A-Sim
    A-Sim 22 December 2015 09: 08
    +2
    Promise them to think about it ...
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 22 December 2015 09: 08
    +2
    Yes, there is a simple scheme - you can’t sell at my price - I’ll just steal it! Only stealing is more difficult. And what’s the problem - the price doesn’t suit you - buy a Geyropeisky one, he’s bluer.
  10. Evil 55
    Evil 55 22 December 2015 09: 09
    -1
    To every Ukrainian, a can of peas and a balloon ... You get an ever-Ukrainian engine .. And cheaper than 200 bucks ..
    1. sssla
      sssla 22 December 2015 09: 32
      -1
      Quote: Angry 55
      For every Ukrainian, a can of peas and a balloon.

      Something with a head ???
      1. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 09: 50
        0
        Quote: sssla
        Quote: Angry 55
        For every Ukrainian, a can of peas and a balloon.

        Something with a head ???

        it is not a head. Either a can of peas, or a balloon. Petrosyan in one word.
  11. gukoyan
    gukoyan 22 December 2015 09: 10
    +1
    Figase, they also put forward conditions for us. Well, if you don’t like our prices, ask European friends, let them sell for cheaper)))
    Pay off the debt first.
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 22 December 2015 11: 38
      0
      Quote: gukoyan
      Well, if you don’t like our prices, ask European friends, let them sell for cheaper)))

      Already...
  12. 1976AG
    1976AG 22 December 2015 09: 12
    +2
    Quote: A-Sim
    Promise them to think about it ...


    ... until spring.
  13. Million
    Million 22 December 2015 09: 14
    -1
    Seller sets a price
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 10: 07
      +2
      Quote: Million
      Seller sets a price

      the buyer is trading.
      What's the problem?
      1. Million
        Million 22 December 2015 10: 26
        +1
        given the relations between our countries I want to say the famous phrase
        "I think," said Ippolit Matveyevich, "that bargaining is inappropriate here!"
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 11: 27
          -1
          Quote: Million
          bargaining is inappropriate here!

          why? It is quite appropriate. And with good chances.
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 22 December 2015 12: 04
        -1
        What's the problem?


        The fact that the buyer will be left without gas
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 17: 57
          -2
          Quote: alicante11
          The fact that the buyer will be left without gas

          bullshit. Will not stay.
  14. linen
    linen 22 December 2015 09: 15
    -1
    NOTHING to sell ANYTHING to these Kiev professional networks at any price !!!
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 22 December 2015 11: 45
      +1
      Quote: flax
      NOTHING to sell ANYTHING to these Kiev professional networks at any price !!!

      The fact is that the well is not a water valve. It cannot be shut off at once. Gas is sharash from the bowels under enormous pressure. While the bargaining is going on, gas is still spilling through pipelines, and it is very difficult to redirect it somewhere else. to release ... "bezbozbezdno ... that is, for nothing." The question is: either at least something or nothing. That is, not "nothing", but continuous losses. The choice was not great.
      1. Zlyden.Zlo
        Zlyden.Zlo 22 December 2015 12: 01
        +1
        Do we have all of Russia gasified?
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 12: 34
          +1
          Quote: Zlyden.Zlo
          Do we have all of Russia gasified?

          and Gazprom is not very interested in the domestic market for a number of reasons.
    2. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 17: 58
      0
      Quote: flax
      NOTHING to sell ANYTHING to these Kiev professional networks at any price !!!

      Prala! Better gasify Swaziland!
  15. fa2998
    fa2998 22 December 2015 09: 17
    +2
    Quote: Atrix
    What is the problem of Kiev, do you want to buy gas, do you want to not. And then another condition sets

    The problem is that the export pipe passes through Ukraine. If Kiev does not receive the desired price, it will take gas for FREE. And all attempts by Gazprom to sue something for such "tricks" are still there. Claims are only growing. but no money. hiRS-I think the Ukrainians will get theirs, at least a shred of black sheep, or nothing, so "Gazprom" thinks. negative
  16. 75 hammer
    75 hammer 22 December 2015 09: 19
    +1
    Buying gas in Europe Ukrainians will still buy it from us, only with a European margin plus our price. A flag in their hands and something on the neck, but not a drum! A country in which a bunch of bastards and scum raped their people, and he lug around at the same time, damn masochists !!!!!!
  17. Lelek
    Lelek 22 December 2015 09: 22
    +4
    (If they cannot offer an adequate price that is comparable to the European one, Ukraine simply will not buy, ”the minister said.)

    Trade presupposes supply-demand relations, if the buyer is not satisfied with the price offered for the product, then go ahead, look for another seller with a lower price, or do without this product (in this case, replace gas with firewood). It is counterproductive to dictate your invented prices to the owner-seller of the product, and even more so if you are his insolvent debtor.
  18. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 22 December 2015 09: 23
    0
    Gazprom will sell gas. They will argue, raise conditions and converge on Ukrainian.
    Firstly, the situation with oil does not have the potential to deplete regarding at least some revenue to the country's budget and the company's piggy bank.
    Secondly, underground storage facilities still need to be filled, which means Ukrainians will steal, and this is an indisputable fact. They just have nowhere to go. And after Yatsenyuk was dragged for eggs in the Rada, and Poroshenko covered his face with his hands (I hid, I’m not here!) At a meeting of the Anti-Crisis Council, when two hot Caucasians poured water and swear in the same place - Europe understands what to ask for theft there will be no one. Not with these clowns.
    1. Comrade Bender
      Comrade Bender 22 December 2015 12: 27
      0
      How is it "no one"? Whom they themselves have appointed to manage, they will ask for that, privatizing land, enterprises and slaves.
  19. mpzss
    mpzss 22 December 2015 09: 25
    +1
    eh ... how you want frost ...
  20. Decathlon
    Decathlon 22 December 2015 09: 25
    +1
    What do you think: if I come to the store and, having seen the price tag for the sausage "300 rubles / kg.", Demand to sell it to me for 200, I will immediately get a stick of sausage on a turnip or the seller will enter into a debate with me ?! recourse
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 22 December 2015 12: 06
      -1
      What do you think: if I come to the store and, having seen the price tag for the sausage "300 rubles / kg.", Demand to sell it to me for 200, I will immediately get a stick of sausage on a turnip or the seller will enter into a debate with me ?!


      If there will be a dozen outbacks standing behind your back (an analogue of Amer’s 10 AUG), then I think it will enter into debate, and some will simply be given for nothing :).
      1. revnagan
        revnagan 22 December 2015 12: 32
        0
        Quote: alicante11
        If there’s a dozen outbacks standing behind your back

        Why? If in a nearby store the price is 150, but the expiration date expires in a day? And for the seller’s attempt to give a sausage on turnips, it will be possible to discuss the amount of moral damages in court. Again, the sanitary station, antimonopoly committee, tax ... It’s not so simple .
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 22 December 2015 15: 45
          0
          If in a nearby store the price is 150


          Well, I'm sorry, a lie, a star and provocation. Geyropeytsy can not sell gas cheaper than they take it from us.

          and expire in a day?


          Rotten gas? request .

          And for the seller’s attempt to give turnip sausage, it will be possible to discuss the amount of moral damage in court


          That's exactly what, and the court and bailiffs and the tax are instruments of violence, that is, the same AUGs, only a side view.
  21. BOB044
    BOB044 22 December 2015 09: 30
    0
    And the key to the apartment where the money is. Do not tongue
  22. vmo
    vmo 22 December 2015 09: 30
    0
    Hohland, not Ukraine, but they were smarter when they dug the Black Sea !!!!!
  23. ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 22 December 2015 09: 37
    0
    And who is buying gas for 200 bucks in our geyrop? I have not heard such prices.
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 10: 11
      +2
      Quote: ramzes1776
      And who is buying gas for 200 bucks in our geyrop? I have not heard such prices.

      Gazprom will offer the European market in 2016 gas at the lowest price in 11 years - approximately $ 200 per 1 cubic meters. m. In the current year, the average price for this region was $ 238 per 1 thousand cubic meters. m - RBC / Bloomberg.
  24. DMB3000
    DMB3000 22 December 2015 09: 37
    0
    Quote: heal
    And they will start selling.
    we didn’t pull them by the tongue. European prices, this means 1,5 times more expensive than they could buy gas before showing off.
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 11: 28
      +1
      Quote: DMB3000
      European prices mean 1,5 times more expensive

      $ 200 / cu For 2016 where is more expensive?
  25. AlexTires
    AlexTires 22 December 2015 09: 40
    +1
    Under the existing regime, they will endlessly "repair and sell their innocence" in the square.
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 13: 41
      0
      Quote: AlexTires
      endlessly "repair and sell your innocence"

      I liked the expression. laughing
  26. mamont5
    mamont5 22 December 2015 09: 49
    0
    Who cares at what price. Ukrov have no money at any price. From the word "in general".
  27. electrooleg
    electrooleg 22 December 2015 09: 49
    -1
    And do not sell them anything until Poroshenko is closed for 20 years and the rest of the order is brought back.
  28. BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 22 December 2015 09: 51
    +1
    Why discuss at all? The European price and money in advance.
  29. aszzz888
    aszzz888 22 December 2015 10: 05
    -3
    He noted that Kiev "is awaiting a decision from Russia during this week."


    It also sets conditions! Yes, send to ... not far, but far away, these ingenious ukrokakl. laughing
  30. aviator1913
    aviator1913 22 December 2015 10: 07
    +1
    In fact, due to the fact that they do not conclude long-term gas contracts, during a period when energy prices are constantly falling, Ukraine saved quite a lot of money, as if it had immediately agreed on a price, therefore, from the point of view of economy and rationality, the move is correct.

    The only thing when prices begin to rise up will have to return to long-term contracts, though no one knows when it will be ....
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 22 December 2015 10: 41
      0
      Quote: aviator1913
      The only thing when prices begin to rise up will have to return to long-term contracts, though no one knows when it will be ....

      request gas prices can rise only in the case of long and cold winters, but for now only nature is doing something strange, or the small ice age is close - there, according to scientists, there was also warming at first, or global warming is moving by leaps and bounds. In this case, you need to worry more for yourself because we’ll drown with Europop (at least the western part of Russia)
      1. aviator1913
        aviator1913 22 December 2015 11: 07
        0
        Not only, the price of gas depends on the price of oil, too. Not a direct dependency, of course, but it is strong. Therefore, a cold winter will not play a role here much, except for a shortage of gas, of course, which can rise in price in the short term.

        And yes, + 11 in Moscow on December 21 means something ...
  31. vkl-47
    vkl-47 22 December 2015 10: 09
    0
    Quote: GSH-18
    Quote: vkl-47
    let them buy from geyrops through the northern stream. at the European price

    Yeah, right now! There are no drakes in Europe. Give Krajina Russian gas bought for its hard-earned euros? They know how to count money in Europe.

    Well, then the price will be different for transit through Germany. They want the European price? they will get it
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  33. kill the fascist
    kill the fascist 22 December 2015 10: 25
    +3
    I think that in connection with the failure of the ruins to pay sovereign debt, the Russian Federation in terms of the advisability of supplying gas to a default country or supplying gas at 100% prepayment
    1. Stinger
      Stinger 22 December 2015 10: 36
      0
      And even better is to take a prepayment and not deliver. It’s customary to rob Yak in an independent one.
  34. dsm100
    dsm100 22 December 2015 10: 32
    +3
    Here are the sheep .... what's the difference from whom they buy, the gas is still Russian. Europeans will not give them a gift. Yes, even if they don’t buy gas at all, let them drown straw at home. Tired of feeding this Ukraine already. You want to live independently, so live on health, but at your own expense !!!
  35. Zomanus
    Zomanus 22 December 2015 10: 36
    0
    Yes, we will sell, maybe at a discount.
    That there would be no reason to blame us for this and that.
    But Ukraine has money to buy this gas, huh?
    Bankrupt country, now without options.
    The fact that the EU and other pimps
    automatically goes into debt repayment.
    How will Ukraine pay for gas on a prepaid basis?
  36. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 22 December 2015 10: 43
    +2
    Therefore, I see no reason to agree to what is offered to us. If they cannot offer an adequate price that is comparable to the European one, Ukraine simply will not buy, ”the minister said.

    Scared! Maybe it's enough to tweak this Svidomo de .... mom! It is high time to understand (at least by the example of the Turkish leadership) that you will not achieve self-respect by kindness, a desire to please (sometimes even to the detriment of your interests)! It is necessary to offer such a price for gas that the Svidomo "horses" finally realize that they have already gotten everyone with their Banderaism, NOBODY will help them, and that it will not be excruciatingly painful, Russia must be friends - all this galloping Banderaism will not give out peas mountain as much gas as you need dill to do without Russian gas!
  37. Victor-M
    Victor-M 22 December 2015 10: 48
    +1
    Is it not time to close the gas pipe for reconstruction, about a year and a half, otherwise it has been working for how many years, wear is a dangerous thing.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 22 December 2015 11: 35
      0
      Quote: Victor-M
      Is it time to close the gas pipe for reconstruction

      Now new threads of the Nord Stream will be laid and they will think about this topic specifically.
  38. Kanatbek
    Kanatbek 22 December 2015 10: 51
    0
    Nothing, anyone in Ukraine will get kickbacks from Gazprom and agree to any price - Ukraine is a corrupt country!
  39. erased
    erased 22 December 2015 10: 52
    +2
    In fact, the Nazis are right. They want to buy gas at a price of less than 200 bucks - that means they will! The one who sells them such gas. And no one will sell, then they will not buy. Without gas it’s cheaper.
    The question is different. We may very soon hear - "going to a meeting and remembering good-neighborly relations ..." That is, those who can give a command here will give this command. He will also give the command to raise utility bills, raise taxes, and the retirement age. We have. After all, we Russians are not "partners", not "colleagues", we can be ripped off. And what if someone delays paying for housing and communal services - from that fines, fines and even from the apartment will be evicted.
    This is a policy of double standards in relation to their people. This is really fun.
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 22 December 2015 12: 43
      0
      Quote: erased
      After all, we Russians are not "partners", not "colleagues", we can be ripped off.

      Where did you get it? Vladimir Putin himself called Giblets "partner". And the entire Ukrainian Caudla is not "junta" but "partners". So your indignation is inappropriate. And if the information from RBC / Bloomberg, referred to by uv. Zeppelin Jr. about the price of gas for 2016 in 200 "killed raccoons" for European consumers, it is true, they will sell. Well, of course, I will have to talk about the steps to meet and good neighborly relations.
  40. surrozh
    surrozh 22 December 2015 10: 54
    0
    Translated from the diplomatic: "We start to steal."
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 22 December 2015 12: 46
      +2
      Quote: surozh
      Translated from the diplomatic: "We start to steal."

      Meters are at the entrance and at the exit. You can check it on any day. Have there been any complaints from European consumers about the lack? The fact of theft was recorded? By whom and where?
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  42. Papapg
    Papapg 22 December 2015 11: 37
    +2
    Quote: Samaritan
    And how much will it be in hryvnias? Especially after default?

    Despite the long-term "default" of Ukraine, no significant depreciation of the hryvnia against the ruble is observed, approximately a mutual default of both the ruble and the hryvnia. http://www.banki.ru/products/currency/uah/
  43. uge.garik
    uge.garik 22 December 2015 11: 50
    +1
    ... Three lard greens, plus the maximum European price .., then you can talk, but go ahead! But why don’t they beg the Americans - for their loyalty to the hegemon, they lifted the ban on exports from their gas ... well, right specifically for dill ...
  44. iouris
    iouris 22 December 2015 12: 05
    +6
    RF - becomes a financial and raw material colony of the Kiev regime.
  45. ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 22 December 2015 12: 14
    +2
    Quote: iouris
    RF - becomes a financial and raw material colony of the Kiev regime.

    5 points good
  46. Prutkov
    Prutkov 22 December 2015 13: 15
    0
    Quote: Byshido_dis
    Ukrainians buy nashzhe gas in Europe)))) Europe will cross over it and give a discount, i.e. they buy one at a time and in Ukraine they also give one and a half times cheaper as a gum. help svidomo ...

    This is normal. This means that Europe has taken care of Nezelazhnu. "Small" such a sanction from Russia. And yet, the need to buy additional gas for Ukraine further ties the EU to the Russian pipe. So Gazprom should say "thanks" to Ukraine for the large gas supplies to Europe.
  47. pts-m
    pts-m 22 December 2015 14: 39
    0
    a simple suspension. they sell for dollars, and with the people the gas produced is paid in rubles. the state always stays in the middle. the wage of hard workers on the price of gas or oil industry can change only to the lower side. and these ghouls from ruin high are looking for dope. in the geyrop.