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Born of revolution: how a red star appeared in the Red Army

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Born of revolution: how a red star appeared in the Red Army



One of the most famous symbols of the Russian army of the twentieth century has a long-standing history - and not only Russian

The history of domestic victories and military achievements of the twentieth century is inseparable from the main symbol of the Red, and later - the Soviet army: the red star. Laconic and simple, easily remembered and visible from afar, this identification mark of twentieth-century Russian soldiers is known all over the world. The Red Star became the same famous symbol of victory in World War II, like the T-34 tank or the Il-2 attack aircraft, and the same universally recognizable symbol of the post-war Soviet power, like the Kalashnikov assault rifle or the MiG-21 fighter.

The history of the red star, it would seem, is inseparable from the Soviet history of Russia. After all, it began to be used almost immediately after the October Bolshevik coup, and ended soon after the collapse of the Soviet Union. But in reality, the military history of the “Mars star”, as this sign is also called, began in Russia somewhat earlier than the official birthday of the red star, which is just celebrated on December 15.

From the Red Guard - to the Red Army


When the October coup ended, and the Bolshevik government faced the question of armed defense of their conquests, the only real military force on which they could rely were the Red Guard units. These heterogeneous formations, which became the main striking force in St. Petersburg and Moscow, consisted mainly of workers and the most conscious soldiers who left their units not for the sake of fleeing from war, but with the thought that life in the country really needed a serious shake-up.


A red star. Poster D. Moore. Photo: wikipedia.org

But in the conditions of the beginning of the civil war, the armed forces of the new government were forced to use the same weapons, based on the same combat regulations and dress in the same military uniform as their opponent. Specific signs were the only way to distinguish one from another. Red Guards, as expected, relied on the red color, long and firmly associated with the revolutionary movement in Russia. At first they were treated with red bandages on the sleeves and red stripes on their caps and papakhas. But by December 1917 in Petrograd, the Red Guards, as the most organized of all such detachments, decided that they needed a more convenient and not so easily forged sign.

They became the red star, which 15 of December 1917 of the year introduced in the Petrograd Red Guard the commander of the Petrograd Military District Konstantin Yeremeyev. Five days later, on December 20, the Red Guard General Headquarters of Petrograd discussed the new emblem and recommended its use everywhere in revolutionary military units, both existing and emerging ones.

Where are the military stars

But to believe that it was Petrograd Red Guards who were the inventors of the star is wrong. As a military symbol, denoting, however, not so much the nationality of military units as the rank of commander, five-pointed stars appeared on the uniforms of the Republican French army during the Great French Revolution. Then they could be seen on headdresses, epaulettes, scarves, and uniform tails. A little later, in the Great Army of Napoleon I, the stars remained only on the generals' epaulets. Apparently, from there they were in January 1827 by the decree of the Emperor of All-Russian Nicholas I - a big fan of the Napoleonic army - and migrated to the epaulettes of Russian officers and generals. The size of the stars was the same, and the rank category was determined by the presence or absence of the fringe and its thickness. And when in 1854, the epaulettes began to take up positions for epaulets, then their rank was still determined by asterisks and still the same size: the rank category indicated the number and presence of gaps.

Almost at the same time, but at a very different end of Europe - in the garibald Italy swept by revolutionary fire - the red star appears for the first time as a symbol of the revolutionary army. In 1849, the five-pointed red mark put on the peak began to be worn along with the banner in front of the columns of supporters of Giuseppe Garibaldi. Given the popularity of this revolutionary in Russia, it is not difficult to assume that his symbolism was certainly known to domestic socialists and other monarchy subversors.


Alexander Ivanovich Guchkov. Photo: wikipedia.org

Finally, the idea to use the star as a military identification mark of the Bolsheviks could have been prompted by their predecessors from the Provisional Government. It is known that 21 on April 1917 of the year military and maritime Minister Alexander Guchkov, by his order No. XXUMX, introduced a new cockade for the sailors: an outlet with an anchor, above which a star was placed.

"Mars star with a hammer and a plow"


So, the star as a military symbol was already well known in Russia by 1917, and it only remained to decide how to turn it into a symbol of a new, revolutionary workers 'and peasants' army. The answer was obvious: make it red, like all previous insignia of the Red Guards.

So by the time the very concept of the Red Army appeared, its main symbol - the red star - had already been created. It only remained to turn it into a single sign of distinction for the new armed forces. And for this it was necessary to develop and approve a single look of the sign, since in December 1917, although it was introduced, didn’t regulate it, limiting only the dimensions: no more than six and a half centimeters.

The first official sketch of the red star as a sign of the Red Army was approved in the spring of 1918. 19 in April in the newspaper "News of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee of the Councils of Peasants, Workers, Soldiers and Cossack Deputies" appeared a correspondence stating that the badge for the Red Army soldiers in the form of a red star with a golden image of a plow and hammer was approved by the Commissariat for Military Affairs in the center. The star itself, which, by the way, in the article, and some time after its official adoption was called the “Mars star”, personified, on the one hand, the war god Mars, on the other, due to its red color - protection of the revolution. But the symbolism of the hammer and plow was even easier to read: they, of course, personified the “workers-peasant” character of the new army.

It is interesting that at one of the preliminary sketches, drawn and proposed by the Moscow Military District Commissioner Nikolai Polyansky, besides the plow and hammer, there was also a book - as a symbol of the intelligentsia. But they refused the book, considering that it overloads the sign and makes it difficult to read. The very idea of ​​combining the symbols of workers and peasants in one sign was first implemented in March 1917, when the image of crossed hammer, plow and rifle appeared on the banner of the workers of the Moscow factory Faberge.

When officially approved by Order of the People’s Commissariat of the Republic No. 321 of May 7, 1918, the new Red Army badge was called the “Mars Star with a plow and hammer” and had to be worn on the chest on the left. By the way, many Red Army men, especially the red commanders, preferred to put a badge on the sword belt so that it would not cling to it and close it, turning the red warrior into an unknown armed man. And this consideration in July 1918 made the Revolutionary Military Council of the republic give the order to transfer the red star from the chest to the cap of the cap - a place that had become familiar to several generations of Soviet soldiers. And on November 15 of the same year, PBC order No. 773 was issued, with which the red star was finally placed on the headdresses, not only of the Red Army, but also of the Red fleet.

Red Star Transformations


Red star with plow and hammer. Frame: youtube.com

The first enamel red star, called “Mars,” had a characteristic shape. Its rays were thicker than we used to see, and their faces were slightly convex, which made the whole star seem more voluminous. As such, with bulging thick beams, a hammer and a plow, it existed for four years. 13 April 1922, the plow that was considered a symbol of the prosperous peasantry, that is, fists, was replaced by a poor sickle (although this replacement most likely had a more mundane design explanation: the sickle is simpler to portray and easier to understand). Three months later, on July 11, they changed the shape of the star's rays - they were straightened, giving the sign a familiar look.

Very soon, the symbol of the Red Army — the main force called upon to defend the first state in the world of workers and peasants — became both for its defenders and for their opponents to personify Soviet Russia itself. So there is nothing surprising in the fact that in 1923, a red star, but without a sickle and hammer, that is, in its most general form, appeared as a closing element on the coat of arms of the USSR. A year later, a red star appeared on the flag of the USSR, in 1928, it became a sign of the Octobrist organization (instead of a sickle and hammer on it they placed an image of young Volodya Ulyanov), and in 1942, a pioneering badge.

As for the Red Army, in it the red star was not only a distinctive sign, which was placed on headdresses - caps, field caps, helmets and “Budenkovka” helmets, but also part of the insignia. From 1919 to 1924, the year the red star flaunted on the sleeves of all Red Army soldiers, from the detached commander to the front commander. After 1924, the red stars were preserved only on the buttonholes of the youngest category commanders, K-1 (flight commanders and detachments in the ground forces and junior mechanics in the Air Force), and after 1940, only among senior officers, starting with Major General. For the RKKF sailors, the red stars on the cuffs of the sleeves lasted much longer: until the 1991 of the year, gradually changing to gold in all ranks, except for the admiral.

True, in 1969, the armenian stars in the Soviet army returned - but not in the form of insignia, but in the form of an element of armbands indicating the type or type of troops in which their owner serves. It is noteworthy that such servicemen were worn only by servicemen of fixed-term and extra-term service and cadets of military schools - the officers managed without them.
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  1. rkkasa xnumx
    rkkasa xnumx 26 December 2015 06: 38 New
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    At the geometric level, the pentagram embodies the idea of ​​stability and sustainability through intertwined internal connections. Five intersecting lines carry the idea of ​​unity and interconnection.
    At the level of society, the pentagram expresses the harmony of man and the state (microsystems and macrosystems).
    The pentagram has been well known since ancient times as a symbol-amulet that protects from evil forces. It is interesting that in this role it was used among completely different peoples and in completely different cultures.
    Thus, the five-pointed star for centuries embodies the idea of ​​stability, integrity, perfection, harmony and protection from the forces of evil and chaos. Is it possible to come up with a more suitable symbol for the armed forces of the state?


    Now let's look at the semantic content of the new star of the Russian Armed Forces of the 2014 model.

    First and foremost, what you need to pay attention to is that the new symbol is not a pentagram. He only imitates it, trying to seem it due to optical illusion. A pentagram is a figure formed by five intersecting lines. There are no five intersecting lines in the new symbol (they are replaced by two broken curves), so the new symbol is not a pentagram or a star!

    Replacing the pentagram star with a fundamentally different sign, the "designers" break the chain of continuity of the modern Russian army with the Russian and Soviet army.

    At the associative level, the new symbol carries the idea of ​​fragmentation and fragmentation, instability and chaos.
    1. atos_kin
      atos_kin 26 December 2015 09: 24 New
      +8
      "Designers" are order executors. The "new symbol" was approved by the "leaders" who were still living, for whom the most important opinion was not their compatriots, but their "partners".
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 26 December 2015 09: 39 New
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      Quote: rkkasa 81
      The pentagram is well known since ancient times as a symbol-amulet that protects against evil forces

      Oh oh And not vice versa?
      1. Alex
        Alex 26 December 2015 11: 05 New
        +8
        The pentagram, EMNIP, was known to the druids, who did not have the slightest idea about the character depicted. As far as I know, the symbol depicted is a remake.
      2. rkkasa xnumx
        rkkasa xnumx 26 December 2015 11: 33 New
        +6
        The pentagram has been well known since ancient times as a symbol-amulet that protects from evil forces.

        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Oh oh And not vice versa?

        No. Not the other way around.
        Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem.
      3. _my opinion
        _my opinion 26 December 2015 16: 17 New
        +6
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: rkkasa 81
        The pentagram is well known since ancient times as a symbol-amulet that protects against evil forces

        Oh oh And not vice versa?

        about the straight pentagram (the one that "stands" on two rays) - as far as I know, it is also a symbol of a person, but the inverted one (the one that you give) is a symbol ... well, of the one who is inscribed in it on this image.
        1. Loreal
          Loreal 26 December 2015 17: 05 New
          +3
          The star or seal of Solomon is then the usual reddened and sometimes inverted Kabbalah. All the first revolutionaries knew who
          USA she is white there are more masons who are also still those "policemen"
          laughing
          1. Talgat
            Talgat 27 December 2015 00: 13 New
            +4
            I think that the ancient history of stars is already unknown to anyone

            Stars in Russia and in the republics of the former USSR were inherited from the Soviet Union

            Just introduced some elements to differ in the details, to understand who is who

            For example, our Kazakhstani Air Force added a light outline of a golden eagle at the bottom - like the same Soviet star - but it’s clear that this is KZ
      4. The comment was deleted.
      5. inpu
        inpu 27 December 2015 00: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: rkkasa 81
        The pentagram is well known since ancient times as a symbol-amulet that protects against evil forces

        Oh oh And not vice versa?

        In your illustration, the inverted pentagram, well, as it were, the opposite type of meaning.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 27 December 2015 08: 31 New
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          Quote: inpu
          In your illustration, the inverted pentagram, well, as it were, the opposite type of meaning.

          May be. After all, Hitler also used the inverted swastika. Against the movement of the sun. hi
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    3. 34 region
      34 region 26 December 2015 10: 40 New
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      Nonsense is some kind of modern creation. The white arrow cursor breaking the red line and the blue bottom is not clear which ornament. Personally, I do not like and even disgusted by such a symbol.
      1. sso-xnumx
        sso-xnumx 26 December 2015 13: 06 New
        +3
        So this creation repeats the flag of the Netherlands, in other words - Holland. Question: do we need it ???
        PS I took the oath under the Red Star of the Soviet Army, I want to lie in the cemetery under it!
        1. Erg
          Erg 26 December 2015 23: 07 New
          +3
          In the morning, the box showed that the Turks carried the Dutch embassy instead of the Russian one, having mixed up the flags ... wassat
          1. sso-xnumx
            sso-xnumx 27 December 2015 16: 55 New
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            Quote: Erg
            that the Turks carried the Dutch embassy instead of the Russian one, confusing the flags ...

            It is gratifying to hear! Thanks for the information!
    4. Guard
      Guard 27 December 2015 11: 49 New
      +5
      Quote: rkkasa 81
      At the associative level, the new symbol carries the idea of ​​fragmentation and fragmentation, instability and chaos.



      We, the Kazakhs, did better - and the continuity from the Soviet Army was preserved, and the national affiliation was clearly indicated:
      1. Guard
        Guard 27 December 2015 11: 51 New
        +1
        Patch of the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan:
      2. sso-xnumx
        sso-xnumx 27 December 2015 16: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: Guard
        and the continuity from the Soviet Army was preserved and the national affiliation clearly indicated:

        Well done !!!!
  2. Lord of Wrath
    Lord of Wrath 26 December 2015 07: 42 New
    +7
    Not sure what the epaulettes of the Napoleonic army were exactly red stars in order to be considered a type.
    Oddly enough, the closest relative may be Harp Madalyası - an award in the Ottoman army, established by Sultan Mehmed V on 1 on March 1915 of the year. in English Gallipoli Star (Gallipoli Star) and German - “Eiserner Halbmond” (Iron Crescent)
  3. VeryBravePiggy
    VeryBravePiggy 26 December 2015 08: 02 New
    +6
    Quote: rkkasa 81

    At the associative level, the new symbol carries the idea of ​​fragmentation and fragmentation, instability and chaos.


    And someone here will see 3 naked women and a hamster devouring a crocodile.

    It is logical that the symbol of the army has the colors of the state flag.
    Normal character, only gives something to the Franco-American.
    As for continuity, it seems as if nobody got rid of Soviet military banners and orders, and they don’t seem to think of demolishing the monuments to leaders and commanders.
    Worse, the charmers of Soviet history (film directors, songwriters, journalism and krytiks like Kunin, Atanesyan, Pozdner, Svinidze, Migalkov, little Bondarchuk and other evolutionary and genetic non-consumptions) are not only alive and not hiding, but even continuing their fragrant activities and get money for it (including from the state, from my taxes). Even worse, they hush up and distort Russian and Soviet history in school textbooks, outright enemies are not sitting on stakes, but in the leadership of universities and state and municipal bodies, thanks to which the younger generation (90s graduation) has the impression that The Russian Empire is a magical, happy country, collapsed by the Bolsheviks, the Soviet Union is a line of workers, miners and peasants, standing at gunpoint in a queue for vodka and to a place in the sanatorium under the Gulag ...
    And you say - the symbolism causes "a break in continuity and carries the idea of ​​fragmentation and disunity, instability and chaos" ...
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 26 December 2015 10: 29 New
      -21
      You are angry. About Soviet history, they also did not remove or write a hundredth share.
      Yes, and what is there to crap? Horror there.
      In one of the parts of the Russian Empire, the whites won. This part is called Finland.
      Now compare the life of a citizen of this small northern backward suburb in the past with the life of a victorious people.
      But you are probably still under the impression of the film "Kuban Cossacks" and "Brovkin in the virgin lands". This is where the Soviet way of life is "truthfully" shown.
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 26 December 2015 11: 39 New
        +8
        But you are probably still under the impression of the film "Kuban Cossacks" and "Brovkin in the virgin lands". This is where the Soviet way of life is "truthfully" shown.
        No need to talk about the Soviet period of the Fatherland in black colors. There was a lot of good stuff. By the way, I do not watch these films and the like. reality is greatly distorted. Then we needed a positive attitude and conviction that the same fellow citizens live well somewhere. Filmed, of course, primitive. But there are a number of films that make up the pride of world cinema - "They Fought for the Motherland", "Liberation", "Virgin Soil Upturned", "Quiet Don" ... Modern conceived mows recklessly so that you want to spit.
      2. Rastas
        Rastas 26 December 2015 12: 49 New
        +5
        This part of the Russian Empire would still disconnect. In addition, 2 destructive wars did not pass through Finland, she was not a participant in the Cold War, she did not participate in the arms race. And led a quiet life. Moreover, after the WWII, she had the best relations with the USSR from all capes. countries.
      3. Rastas
        Rastas 26 December 2015 12: 52 New
        +1
        In addition, keep in mind that during the empire, Finland was higher in development than the metropolis. And in the political, and economic, and the level of education of the population. So the starting positions there were better. For Russia to become Finland, it must shrink in the territory before Finland. But who wants this?
        1. boni592807
          boni592807 26 December 2015 17: 34 New
          +1
          "..Also keep in mind that during the empire, Finland was higher in development than the metropolis. And in political, economic, and educational level of the population ... "
          Just delighted with this opus colleagues Rastas Today, 12:52. lol As from the similar to the Baltic region. Read the history of the Russian Empire or, for short information, A.S. Pushkin. There is a brief description of who and how formed (in terms of territory and education, including the "elites", these, in your opinion, "... were higher in development than the metropolis ..." THEM with the next metropolis lucky ie with the Russian Empire, as in the subsequent period. But with the previous metropolis, which they had before Russia, they had a prospect, like the American Indians.
          A colleague, not so good about his ancestors. Moreover, they did not deserve it, not a word or deed. hi
      4. Pomeranian
        Pomeranian 27 December 2015 00: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: Cap.Morgan
        In one of the parts of the Russian Empire, the whites won. This part is called Finland.

        And, is this the same country in which, until the 60's, forced sterilization and legalized child slavery were carried out? I know I know..
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 26 December 2015 08: 08 New
    +4
    And the symbolism of the hammer and the plow... There was an interesting symbolism in the Tuvinian Nrodny Republic ..hammer and rake ..
    1. Petrol
      Petrol 26 December 2015 22: 40 New
      -1
      ......... The Syrians built the palace of David in the form of a six-pointed star and painted it blue. This meant that they had chosen for him a form of arrangement in the firmament of the six positive signs of the Zodiac: Aries, Leo, Sagittarius, Gemini, Libra, and Aquarius. David understood this as a kind of magical fetish and established Mogen Dovid - the blue six-pointed star of David, which to this day has not lost its significance as a fetish for many Jews, and Saturn has become something like their sacred planet.
      The son of David and his heir, Solomon, having learned that the northern peoples have a five-pointed star as the symbol of reason and the destruction color is red, ordered his subjects to distribute it throughout the world in red rather than purple, as the northern peoples usually depicted it ..........
      1. Petrol
        Petrol 30 December 2015 09: 14 New
        0
        if you minus write what do not agree
  5. rkkasa xnumx
    rkkasa xnumx 26 December 2015 08: 17 New
    +7
    Quote: VeryBravePiggy
    And you say - the symbolism causes "a break in continuity and carries the idea of ​​fragmentation and disunity, instability and chaos" ...

    That is not what I said. Here is the link from where it came from:
    https://www.stihi.ru/2015/10/27/6530

    Quote: VeryBravePiggy
    And someone here will see 3 naked women and a hamster devouring a crocodile.

    Actually, symbolism has its own rules-laws-requirements.
    Actually, as well as in any other area.

    Quote: VeryBravePiggy
    charmers of Soviet history (directors, writers, journalism, and hats ... continue their odorous activity and receive money for it (including from the state, from my taxes).

    Alas, yes ...
  6. Loki_2
    Loki_2 26 December 2015 08: 17 New
    +6
    The article is interesting, but the author’s erudition is in doubt. He undoubtedly confuses the terminology: what is revolution and what is revolution. So at first we learn definitions, and then we sit down to write articles. Otherwise, it turns out like this ...
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  7. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 26 December 2015 08: 27 New
    -2
    I liked the article very much. Many thanks to the Author, because already soon --- the centenary of this wonderful symbol.
    This is a very ancient Symbol, giving FORCE. Its ability was understood by the Ancient Egyptians, Ancient Greeks, Jews. Different countries, organizations placed this Symbol on their flags, emblems, logos.
    I, as well as other forum users, are concerned that Our most important Symbol is falling into pieces, even the colors of the Russian flag. All the same, this is wrong !!!
    Also, you cannot use an inverted five-pointed Star!
    1. Petrol
      Petrol 10 January 2016 08: 57 New
      0
      ...... But the son of David and his heir, Solomon, having learned that the northern peoples have a five-pointed star as the symbol of reason and the color of destruction is red, ordered his subjects to distribute it throughout the whole world in red rather than purple, what the northern peoples usually depicted .......
  8. erg
    erg 26 December 2015 09: 01 New
    +1
    Actually, symbolism has its own rules-laws-requirements.
    Actually, as well as in any other area.

    It doesn't exist. To be more precise, it all depends on whose symbolism. In the state - it all depends on the traditions of that state. In the religious - from the traditions of religion, etc. That is, there are no general, uniform rules for all. In general, both state and military symbols often depended on the whim of those in power, and on the prevailing fashion, and simply on practical expediency. In heraldry, as part of the emblem, there are strict rules that are the same for everyone. True, with possible exceptions, so to speak, national characteristics. But heraldry was born and spread from one region - Western Europe, which is why the rules are the same. In general, one must distinguish between a symbol and an emblem. A symbol is something that denotes a concept (honor, valor, etc.), the emblem denotes its owner - an individual or legal entity, etc. The emblem can be a symbol at the same time, but it doesn't have to. The red star with hammer and sickle is just an emblem. Its individual elements, for example the hammer and sickle, were at the same time symbols. Usually, out of habit, we attribute some meaning to emblems and therefore call them symbols. But this is not always true. To know what a particular symbol means, or whether an emblem can be called a symbol, one must at least know what meaning was attributed by the creator of this object or its owner. Talking about some kind of general associative perception is silly. It all depends on a particular individual, his worldview. So our contemporaries, seeing the six-pointed star, will most likely correlate it with the Jews. But before the revolution, such stars were more likely associated with military symbols, since they were often found on Russian banners, and often as a "passing symbol" - there as an ornament or denoting, for example, the number of a regiment (by the number of stars). And in Russian heraldry, they were often interfered with in the coat of arms, as a reminder of any events in the life of the army, for example, participation in the war, etc.
  9. Dinko
    Dinko 26 December 2015 09: 09 New
    +2
    The theory is that the red star is the so-called Mars star or the star of the god of war Mars. That is, a military star, and the red color is the same as the color of the Revolutionary Red Banner
  10. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 26 December 2015 09: 28 New
    -1
    I am very glad that people have close opinions on this issue, but what can we do so that destructive processes do not occur? Probably, if there are many "correct" stars in every house, this will preserve Our main Symbol? You should laugh at this, you want what but I'm serious !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    And in this regard --- in no case should you remove the Kremlin Stars!
    ... So, I forgot that today is an exhibition of young designers, where is my logo of My Moscow with the Kremlin Stars.
  11. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 26 December 2015 09: 43 New
    +6
    In my opinion, the sign of 2014 is poorly read, it’s clumsy, you need to take a closer look, and the red star is understandable and clear. The red star and the Russian army are combined and do not cause rejection.
    Why on the cockades of our military, the symbol of the imperial army of Japan is a golden star. I think you need to replace!
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 26 December 2015 10: 33 New
      -1
      You can replace it with a state emblem or remove it completely, leaving the St. George cockade, so in my opinion it is better.
      1. erg
        erg 26 December 2015 11: 50 New
        +7
        This is not a St. George cockade. Under Paul 1, for a hat bow, it was ordered to use a black ribbon with edging along the edges of the orange color (George's ribbon yellow and black stripes). According to the custom of the time, the ribbon folded into a bow in the shape of a butterfly. Each wing was made up of three segments. Why it seemed that the bow is striped - a series of orange and black stripes. Later they began to fold the tape in a circle. The result was a wide black rim on the outside and inside having an orange edging. In the center is a hole for putting on a button on the headgear. A wide white rim was later added. The proportions of the bands gradually changed when they began to make cockade from other materials. The hole in the middle disappeared, it was replaced with a black blade or a circle, the rims of black and orange became the same width. The outer white rim remained wide. The reason for the introduction of black - orange flowers is unknown. Not a single decree explains this. Most likely they are associated with the stamp of flowers (orange in Russian heraldry can mean gold, as well as other shades of yellow). Most likely they used orange, so that it visually differed from other elements of the decoration of the uniform - gold instrument metal and so on. And also, so that it probably differs from the elements of the uniform of St. George’s colors, such as mentics, ribbons of the order, etc. In general, the elements of the uniform of St. George’s flowers, for example, the St. George’s buttonholes introduced in the mid-19th century, were on the distinction and therefore they could only be assigned to distinguished soldiers or military units, and not to all employees in a row.
  12. Yak28
    Yak28 26 December 2015 10: 30 New
    17
    As for me, a new star, as well as renaming the police to the police, is a dumb undertaking
    1. Bespectacled
      Bespectacled 26 December 2015 14: 57 New
      +6
      It is completely incomprehensible what guides those people who make decisions on renaming and accepting symbols for public authorities. Indeed, many innovations are simply idiotic and frankly alien. Neither cultural nor historical-traditional continuity is respected.
      In the end, conduct a population survey, ask the opinion of experts ... Why this initiative is useless to anyone?
      One durak will come up with, and all the rest should be adjusted ...
      1. erg
        erg 26 December 2015 15: 27 New
        +2
        And what do you as a representative of the population know about the traditions in the field of emblem? You see, the military department, like other structures, is subordinate structures of the state. authorities and therefore the government has the right to independently establish rules for them, symbols, etc. etc. Without asking the opinion of the population. At all times, in all countries, this has been and is being done. With territorial symbolism yes, it happens to find out the opinion. So, now New Zealand is choosing a new flag. In Russia, they sometimes resort to this when creating a territorial coat of arms. But it is our experience that shows that such an approach does not lead to anything good. As a rule, participants in such contests begin to fight with each other or offer unacceptable options. And still you have to turn to professionals in the field of emblem. Another thing is that the modern logo of the army is the fruit of just non-professionals, unfortunate designers. Maybe they can create logos for business, but in military emblems they are complete ignoramuses. Why, for example, the military department did not turn to professional heraldists, as the biomedical agency did in its time, is not clear.
        1. Bespectacled
          Bespectacled 26 December 2015 16: 13 New
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          Quote: erg
          And what do you as a representative of the population know about the traditions in the field of emblem?

          I know enough to have an opinion on this.
          Quote: erg
          Without asking the opinion of the population. At all times, in all countries, this has been and is being done.

          Only demented degenerates with inflated conceit and ambition introduce idiotic characters completely divorced from historical and cultural traditions.
          Quote: erg
          So, now New Zealand is choosing a new flag.

          So I somehow spit on it ... Especially since they never had their own national flag as such. Let the jolly Roger be accepted, side ...

          Well, I agree with the rest.
          Russia is not a country where state symbols can be drawn on its knee, taking into account its rich historical and cultural heritage, this is mockery and mockery of the people and the army.
          PS You yourself demanded the Soviet flag and put an NKVD officer in a blue cap on your ava, so your opinion was formed. I also have it.
          1. erg
            erg 26 December 2015 16: 41 New
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            My question was rhetorical. I am not about your knowledge and not about mine. The majority of the population uses such concepts in terms of whether they like it or not. This already makes any competition or opinion poll on this issue pointless. And I repeat, it was the experience of Russia that showed the failure of this approach. There are no deep-rooted traditions in the military emblem of Russia. She completely and completely depended on the will of the monarch (any element of uniform, including such trifles as the color of buttons, was set by the highest decree). The only thing that can be said is that in the military emblem of the state. we always had a symbol of emblem or its elements, but not the colors of the national flag, which in fact Russia acquired only in the 20th century. I mean that our tricolor began to be considered a national symbol by the population only at this time. Paradoxically, even the heraldic committee that existed in Russia since the time of Peter the Great was not involved in the creation of military emblems. The red star has no long traditions in Russia, as indeed any star. And it was accepted by a narrow circle of persons, although the emblem itself, as well as the emblem of the RSFSR, were created by professional heraldry artists. By the way, only this emblem and the emblem of the Ukrainian SSR can be called real emblems among the state. emblems of the USSR. But popularity gained extraordinary and not only in our country. So traditions are traditions, but their observance is not a prerequisite.
  13. Yak28
    Yak28 26 December 2015 10: 59 New
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    The most interesting thing is that the colors on the new star are not in the same sequence as on the flag of Russia, they are located like the colors of the US flag on the Pepsi icon Ha Ha Ha Ha
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 26 December 2015 11: 14 New
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      You wrote a very important thing. I am in eternal vanity and did not think about it. At one time on "Kramol" about the symbols of Ukraine I liked the article (or video). Recently on the Internet I began to look about the Two-headed Eagle. And I will look at all the other symbols. Now I'm going to leave. I’ll come --- I’ll add. Best regards.
    2. rkkasa xnumx
      rkkasa xnumx 26 December 2015 11: 46 New
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      Quote: Yak28
      positioned like the colors of the US flag on the Pepsi badge

      Or here - "Mall of America" ​​- Shopping center:
      1. 34 region
        34 region 26 December 2015 13: 00 New
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        Funny (in quotation marks) photo. You do not know how to put it right. Integrated, entered the US system?
    3. 34 region
      34 region 26 December 2015 12: 56 New
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      This is a new symbol of a new generation. Pepsi Generation Symbol-Pepsi color cursor.
  14. slovak
    slovak 26 December 2015 12: 21 New
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    The five-pointed star is one of the main signs of Freemasonry. The leaders of the revolution in France at the end of the 18th century and the coups in Russia in 1917, Napoleon, Garibaldi were Masons. Masons created the United States, so five-pointed stars are in the US flag. Therefore, pyatine-pointed stars are in the flags of many countries of the world and in the signs of private enterprises.
    1. Rastas
      Rastas 26 December 2015 12: 54 New
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      Aah. Masons. Well yes, they can all. But we are stupid here argue nonsense.
      1. slovak
        slovak 26 December 2015 20: 48 New
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        They all cannot, but they are very influential. It is not difficult to verify my words on the Internet through key words or books by V.F. Ivanov.
  15. Evver
    Evver 26 December 2015 14: 48 New
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    For me, the red star will forever remain a symbol of our Victory over the brown plague of the 20 century ... it was a symbol of the forces of good in the fight against EVIL!
    The current star ... not ... really, it smacks of Americanity stop
    By the way, the "plump" star of the 20s - 30s is pretty to me!
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 27 December 2015 20: 04 New
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      Quote: Ever
      For me, the red star will forever remain a symbol of our Victory over the brown plague of the 20th century

      But for me, the red star is a symbol of Bolshevism, a symbol of the former Soviet army and a symbol of the former USSR and the CPSU. The country and the army need new symbols.
  16. Des10
    Des10 26 December 2015 16: 04 New
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    Thank you for the article.
    Of course, the new "star" - accepted without discussion with the people (there was only a fiction) - has neither historical justification, nor intelligibility and unambiguous meaning. And examples of similarly executed - and alien to us! - trade marks --- directly indicate --- artists (sorry - designers) have a poor command of the topic, and the commission (more likely only one minister of the Ministry of Defense - in the end) is not competent and dependent. And in the end --- the opinion of people on the side.
    The red star is an unambiguously readable and recognizable symbol, but the nonexistent is soulless.
    By the way, cockades without a star are called "fisheye".
    The other day, a neighbor asked for a cap with a red star, the same one - a Soviet soldier's ... for his grandson in the Netherlands, he found at the demobilization. And it was necessary exactly that, as "in the films about the war."
    Our red-star generation will leave, and the future --- will compare the military symbol with the cursor and soda.
    Shame on those who ordered the change of memory. "Let them be ashamed" (c).
  17. Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander 26 December 2015 18: 39 New
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    For just one term "Bolshevik October coup" the article almost completely loses its objectivity. And all the information written is perceived as unreliable and tendentious. Accordingly, there is no faith in what was written ... So I wrote something and yes, okay ... A definite minus!
  18. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 26 December 2015 18: 46 New
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    Quote: Des10
    adopted without discussion with the people

    Exactly. There was at one time a poll to sign a petition "for a" red star "against" a three-color one. Signed, like many other adequate people. The result is known - a tricolor star. Like this anti-people thieves' power takes into account the opinion of the people. And the prime minister has an allergy to everything Soviet in general, and most liberals are in power too.
    1. Dewa1s
      Dewa1s 28 December 2015 08: 45 New
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      no, well, since 16112014nk itself signed a petition and it wasn’t accepted, then the government is really anti-people!
  19. AVATA-ta-R-in
    AVATA-ta-R-in 26 December 2015 19: 33 New
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    the conversation is about nothing - the BIG BOOM will begin — all modern emblems will be repainted in the old format vividly 1) in a combat situation it’s easier to identify your friend or foe 2) as during the years of the Second World War the tsar’s commanders were remembered and now they’ll remember the origins of the red star and flag our very victories and achievements, but what have we achieved now? ....
    1. Pomeranian
      Pomeranian 27 December 2015 00: 21 New
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      Quote: AVATA-ta-R-in
      the conversation is about nothing - the BIG BOOM will begin - all modern emblems will be repainted in the old format in 1 lively) in a combat situation it is easier to recognize friend or foe

      Great replica. That is exactly what appeared, for example, the military standard of the Confederation, a symbol of all non-conformist non-conformists. Because the state flag of the United States Army was slightly different from the banner of the United States School of Arts, which at first led to confusion and confusion on the battlefield.
  20. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 26 December 2015 20: 36 New
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    The author writes about a foreign country, about a foreign state.
  21. dzeredzavkomimu
    dzeredzavkomimu 27 December 2015 02: 12 New
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    well, if there was an October .. coup .. then call the French revolution a coup, dear author of the article. It turns out that the Kerensky revolutionary, because the bourgeoisie threw off the tsar, that is, changed the system, and Lenin was just a palace plotter who arranged a coup, and the system hasn’t changed, is it? Is Garibaldi already a revolutionary, and not the organizer of a coup? That is, in Russia there are only coups, and they have revolutions?
  22. skeptic31
    skeptic31 27 December 2015 14: 20 New
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    Zadolbali this "coup". The Bolsheviks did not particularly sweat about this, and now our liberals have put it back into circulation in order to gloss over the very concept of revolution. Indeed, Peter III was dared by the coup, but the empress came to power, and no one else. This is a coup. If in October 17th there was a coup, then where did the bourgeoisie who committed this coup go? If the bourgeoisie did not commit any coup and lose its power, then why the coup.
    Another thing is August 91st. Here is a typical coup when one group of the Central Committee replaced another group of the Central Committee in power, although it was repainted in different colors. True, all this ended on October 93, when the power of the Soviets was over. But this is no longer called revolution, but counter-revolution. Liberals do not use this word, because it has an openly negative connotation. But we are talking about the essence, but in fact everything is true.
    A little addition about the red star. The article has a photo of an inverted red star, but no comment. Meanwhile, this is a very interesting point. Indeed, initially the red star was worn upside down. By the way, this is a satanic star. Such an appearance caused outrage among the vast majority of Red Army soldiers, after which they returned to their normal appearance. The appearance of a satanic-looking star is due to the fact that among the Bolsheviks there were a lot of crosses (Jews converted to Protestantism) who had a sharp negative attitude towards Orthodoxy. In general, Protestants can only conditionally be considered Christians, since in reality they have abandoned many of its main dogmas. Something between Judaism and Christianity. Hence their Satanism.
  23. Stilet
    Stilet 27 December 2015 17: 56 New
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    The badge of the modern army is unfinished. Outwardly, it looks like a promotion, and nothing more. And you need a state symbol. It is necessary to modify!
  24. Poplar505
    Poplar505 27 December 2015 21: 02 New
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    Remember the plot from the movie "Only old men go to battle": there Maestro says - Guys! Look at the form!
    Look at the uniform of our officers. Here, even the color is not ours, but the so-called european green. The caps are so simple a parrot-Honduran.
    The article does not say at all that until 1924, in my opinion, on the emblems of the military unit. flaunted the Vedic swastika.
    But any five-pointed, six-pointed star is a Masonic symbol. A triangle with an eye and rays inside is a symbol of Lucifer. In St. Petersburg, Kazan Cathedral flaunts and in the Vatican, but many where else. By the way, it makes up the central part of the EMERCOM emblem introduced by S.K. Shoigu.
    1. On October 4, 2013, President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin becomes a member of the Order of St. Charles, a branch of the Order of Malta for the European aristocracy,
    2. On November 25, 2013, Vladimir Putin paid a visit to Pope Francis, a member of the Jesuit Order, while the President of Russia was met by the Grand Masters of the Jerusalem and Vatican Orders, and then, surrounded by an honorary punishment, was escorted to the pope.
    On July 6, 2012, two months after the inauguration of Vladimir Putin, the governor of the Moscow Region, S.K.Shoigu, became a knight of the Order of Malta, receiving an award from the hands of the Grand Master M.Festing, and on November 6 of that year S.K. Shoigu headed the Ministry of Defense, replacing A. Serdyukov, whose task was to prepare the army and military-industrial complex for rearmament and financial recovery, eliminating the corruption of the general.
    That’s why we have such emblems. And the articles are not without reason.
    1. erg
      erg 27 December 2015 21: 29 New
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      And what color is ours? From the time of Peter the Great, the main color of our army is green, including the navy, a little later, when Paul was dressed in green and gunners. But the shades of green were different - from light to dark, almost black, which is why, in particular, the Navy switched to black, because by the end of the 19th century uniforms were made from such dark green that they seemed black. Well, various other shades were present. Actually, everything depended on the will of the monarch, establishing the uniform of uniforms. But caps - this is generally a Russian invention. Tentatively introduced in 1805-1807 instead of feed caps in the form of caps with a brush. Initially, without visors, but even then it was recommended to sew leather visors from shakos (shakos of the 1807 model were unsuccessful and sometimes they were not even recommended to go camping, dispensing only with forage hats). Samples of new caps, the Prussians first copied from us, and then similar caps became popular in other countries. So, no matter what type of caps are today, this is our, traditional, Russian military headdress.
  25. Yak28
    Yak28 28 December 2015 17: 58 New
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    Quote: Stilet
    The badge of the modern army is unfinished. Outwardly, it looks like a promotion, and nothing more. And you need a state symbol. It is necessary to modify!

    And the state symbol in our country is different for everyone, about half the population of three colored flag is generally considered a rag, for them the Soviet flag is native, and someone considers it a black-and-white flag. The same thing with a two-headed eagle. And the red star is a fairly powerful symbol and only an inadequate character can change it. The situation is with the historical figures of the USSR-Russia. So the people are very fragmented, someone likes new badges, flags, emblems, and someone makes them sick.
  26. palm
    palm 28 December 2015 21: 08 New
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    AUTHOR WRITES: The red star is an identification mark of Russian soldiers of the twentieth century.
    The Red Army, like the Soviet Army, is infinitely far from the principle of the formation of the historical Russian Army. The Russian regular army in its backbone or mass was formed mainly from Christians and Slavs.
    Yes, there were for example Muslim units, but militia units. In World War I there were even several Jewish regiments. Why distort history for the sake of politics.