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Media: Adoption of the complex "Barguzin" deferred to 2020 g

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Due to the difficult financial situation in the Russian Federation, the adoption of the Barguzin rail missile complex will take place no earlier than 2020 g, according to Look with reference to tass.


Media: Adoption of the complex "Barguzin" deferred to 2020 g


“Due to the difficult financial situation and the budgetary constraints caused by it, the deadlines for work on the creation of Barguzin have been shifted to the right by more than one year. This applies to all phases of work, including development, production and testing. Thus, the creation of a new combat railway missile complex will be completed at best in 2020, ”a source in the defense industry told the agency.

At the end of 2014, the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Sergey Karakayev, stated that "the stage of preliminary design (Barguzin) was completed, the development of design documentation began, which comes with strict observance of the requirements of the approved schedule." According to him, the complex "can be adopted in the 2019 year."

Earlier, the agency, citing a military source, reported that “one regiment of the new generation of BZHRK reconstructed in Russia, the Barguzin, could carry six intercontinental ballistic missiles like Yars or Yars-M.”
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  1. AlexTires
    AlexTires 20 December 2015 12: 35 New
    106
    Apparently, all the money went to the construction of the Yeltsin Center .....
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 20 December 2015 12: 45 New
      65
      Maybe a couple of governors, like Khoroshavin or Gaiser, should be shaken? And the news is really bad. Nevertheless, our BZHRK, that the Molodets, which was withdrawn from service, that the promising Barguzin, is a very worthy weapon of nuclear deterrence .. It’s sad and very sad
      1. Hon
        Hon 20 December 2015 13: 08 New
        21
        Well, they’ll shake, the money will still be divided between the same. Berezovsky was shaken, and the assets went to Abramovich and Deripaska
        1. crazyrom
          crazyrom 20 December 2015 16: 50 New
          +8
          And I think this is just the enemies calm, in fact, everything goes according to plan.
          1. Vorobey-1
            Vorobey-1 20 December 2015 22: 25 New
            +5
            but for me, a lot is said, so to speak - for "looking away."
            In my opinion, most of the information of a military nature (and not only) does not correspond to the actual or is strongly distorted.
            Maybe they are already skating, or maybe they will certainly be known, only a certain circle of people is aware of this.
            for example: Nuclear submarine pr.941 Shark - a lot of noise: everyone sawed, outdated, rotted, etc. , and it is exactly so ?! no
            1. Yuriy3005
              Yuriy3005 21 December 2015 08: 59 New
              +1
              about 941 so for sure. So far, only Dmitry Donskoy remained in service as a test boat, for testing new solutions and weapons. The rest will definitely go for utilization, there are no missiles for them, and reconstruction and modernization under the Bulava of one Auula will cost almost like a new Borey + there is no production capacity. All the northern plants to the eyeballs are loaded with construction and modernization.
        2. Poppy
          Poppy 21 December 2015 10: 03 New
          0
          because it’s not necessary to shake, but to plant, but it’s better to shoot
      2. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 20 December 2015 13: 19 New
        44
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Maybe a couple of governors, like Khoroshavin or Gaiser, should be shaken?

        But would it not be easier to confiscate the property of Serdyukov and Vasilyeva, as well as their former deputies? laughing I think there’s just a few "Barguzins enough."
        1. Rom14
          Rom14 20 December 2015 17: 42 New
          11
          If we have to shake All the thieves in Russia, more than one deterrence device is enough ...
          1. Baikal
            Baikal 20 December 2015 19: 08 New
            +8
            Moreover, the Buran will also be left to launch again. sad
            1. bannik
              bannik 20 December 2015 21: 00 New
              +3
              But I didn’t understand: do we need dollars to create Barguzins? How many trillions of rubles are there "stuck" with us, is this not enough?
              1. Glukashin
                Glukashin 21 December 2015 01: 28 New
                -5
                You see, it takes a lot of work to produce such complexes, and you have to pay for it. People will get a salary, and whoever grabs too much will go to the store to buy all kinds of televisions, iPhone, mafinok, etc., and this, alas, is being brought from dollars abroad. And rubles are not a problem, they can be printed at least a trillion.
                1. bannik
                  bannik 21 December 2015 03: 50 New
                  +1
                  If weaving bast shoes, then yes, no less labor is needed, but more people (workers) are needed.
                  And on this issue - there are mobile installations. "Putting" them into the car is not a big problem, there is experience. What kiddies about the fact that the railroad tracks can’t stand it, they carried loads and more. Distribute the load from one platform to three - like two fingers on asphalt (and no enemy will notice this).
                  And all this is very cheap (relative to other options)! Do you need them?
            2. Misha Honest
              Misha Honest 20 December 2015 22: 35 New
              +1
              Quote: Baikal
              Moreover, the Buran will also be left to launch again.

              Take it higher, dear - we can colonize all of Mars for this money. wink
            3. asiat_61
              asiat_61 20 December 2015 23: 47 New
              0
              I liked the change.
        2. In search
          In search 20 December 2015 19: 56 New
          +5
          After all, the “Guarantor” made it clear at the current conference - these “people” and their biomass are not under jurisdiction.
        3. Antanas
          Antanas 21 December 2015 03: 42 New
          -1
          Druzhbanov Putin's? This is extremism.
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      3. Sergey S.
        Sergey S. 20 December 2015 13: 35 New
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        Due to the difficult financial situation in the Russian Federation, the adoption of the Barguzin rail missile complex will take place no earlier than 2020 g, according to Vzglyad, citing TASS.

        Interestingly, and V.V. Does Putin know about this?
        Or is this another initiative from above from financiers and economists and from below from chief managers who didn’t spend money in a targeted way ... Or rather, in an extremely targeted way, acting as the very goals ...

        Or in those missiles again planned ukroelement ???

        Or is the situation even dumber? We thought we’ll talk and calm down, who supposedly needs these missiles in our global peaceful world?

        Shake is necessary. Better immediately through the FSB. And ask by the laws of war. And without waiting for 2019
        And shake it now so that the performers themselves want to pass it through 1 a year. It is normal to serve in 3 shifts seven days a week.
        But it is necessary to SERVE THE HOMELAND, and not to coven, excuse me, work ...
        And the chiefs who do not know how to serve the motherland must be driven by a filthy broom to polar bears or to desert cobras.
        1. anfil
          anfil 20 December 2015 14: 37 New
          +3
          With Sergei
          Shake is necessary. Better immediately through the FSB. And ask by the laws of war. And without waiting for 2019
          And shake it now so that the performers themselves want to pass it through 1 a year. It is normal to serve in 3 shifts seven days a week.


        2. g1v2
          g1v2 20 December 2015 15: 01 New
          +9
          There are priorities, primary importance, secondary and Wishlist. Barguzin is of secondary importance, the aircraft carrier is Wishlist. Therefore, Barguzin and shift that there are much more important things. For example, the same sector 6 generally casts doubt on the need for bjrk. And both submarines for status 6 are being built for themselves and I can not hear about the shelving.
          Well, I’ll try to explain a simple thought to the children. 1 million dollars is money for which a person can live his whole life; for the state, these are half-missiles or 2-3 salvos of a PSO. Incidentally, no confiscation of an aircraft carrier can be built. These are just different numbers. tongue
          1. Hon
            Hon 20 December 2015 15: 11 New
            17
            More important things, is it double the salaries of deputies?
            1. dmi.pris
              dmi.pris 20 December 2015 17: 38 New
              +6
              But this is a priority .... It’s all Kremlin’s, untouchable (like the Vasilyevs, Serdyukovs, etc.) .. There are hundreds of them, and thousands with their families .. And with infinite arrogance and permissiveness, millions. There’s not enough budget, and it is useless to appeal to Putin .. This is a SYSTEM, and the raven will not peck out the raven’s eye ...
              Quote: Hon
              More important things, is it double the salaries of deputies?
              1. bannik
                bannik 20 December 2015 21: 33 New
                +2
                These "hundreds" and "thousands" of children and grandchildren, movable and immovable where these "Barguzins" will be targeted. Do they need it?
                PS: I won’t say anything about the children of Vasilyeva and Serdyukov, although everything is still possible.
          2. sergo42
            sergo42 20 December 2015 15: 40 New
            +3
            1 million dollars is money for which a person can live his whole life, for most of our hucksters this amount will not be enough for six months! Again -10 old women, already a ruble! And we have a huckster full.
          3. beer-youk
            beer-youk 20 December 2015 17: 04 New
            +6
            1 million dollars is money for which a person can live his whole life; for the state, these are half-missiles or 2-3 salvos of a PSO. [quote = g1v2]

            And for the manager of the state corporation, half the monthly bonus!
            1. bannik
              bannik 20 December 2015 21: 41 New
              0
              2-3 divisional volleys BM-21, and maybe more. And depending on which half the rocket.
          4. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 20 December 2015 23: 25 New
            -3
            Quote: g1v2
            There are priorities, primary importance, secondary and Wishlist.

            As I understand it, the first priority is to hold the World Cup, and the defense will wait.
            Let's do the World Cup, obos let’s take a look at it in the face of our bent-legged national team, a budget saw, and then .. defense, agricultural industry.
            1. bannik
              bannik 21 December 2015 04: 15 New
              0
              It seems that it was not in vain that your mother told you: do not learn arithmetic, do not play Fantomas - play football, but you did not listen to it!
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          6. Moore
            Moore 21 December 2015 04: 38 New
            0
            Quote: g1v2
            There are priorities, primary importance, secondary and Wishlist.

            Absolutely agree. Taking into account, as the guarantor put it, financing of the operation in Syria within the framework of the budget of the Defense Ministry, it cannot be otherwise. Development of TD, of course, is not the most financially intensive process, but it also pulls its money.
            The only thing against the background of completely sane financial maneuvering actions is the wild fuss of "servants of the people" for raising themselves, loved ones, ZP and other cute amusements of the figures that make up the notorious Vertical ...
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        3. veksha50
          veksha50 20 December 2015 15: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: Sergey S.
          It is normal to serve in 3 shifts and without days off


          And this, by the way, is one of the options in such a difficult time ... Not until the weekend now, when it is taxed from all sides ...
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 20 December 2015 16: 00 New
            +6
            Quote: veksha50
            And this, by the way, is one of the options in such a difficult time ... Not until the weekend now, when it is taxed from all sides ...

            .. absolutely true .. quote from V.V. Putin ..
            VLADIVOSTOK, Dec 20 - RIA News. Russian President Vladimir Putin believes that the "new political nouveau riche" in the international arena "lost their sense of reality", but, according to the Russian leader, this situation will not last long.
            "Today we see what we see. But now I wanted to say something different. It seems to me that our new political nouveau riche has lost their sense of reality. They did not even understand that irreversible processes began inside their own world. If now everyone is standing quietly, this does not mean that it will last forever, because there are some countries and peoples that will never inside themselves put up with a secondary role, the role of an occupied country or a vassal of some kind. Sooner or later it will pass anyway. And I think it's fast enough, "Putin said.
            РИА Новости http://ria.ru/politics/20151220/1345640855.html#ixzz3urgh3s82

            .. probably understandable enough .. hi
        4. In search
          In search 20 December 2015 20: 00 New
          -2
          "Interesting, but does VV Putin know about this?"

          Or maybe it's time to finally realize that we are, and there are “untouchables,” and the “guarantor” will never surrender them. What was he openly talking about.
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 20 December 2015 22: 47 New
            +3
            Quote: In search
            Or maybe it's time to finally realize that we are, and there are “untouchables,” and the “guarantor” will never surrender them. What was he openly talking about.

            .. ah ha ha .. is it about those to whom it is disgusting to touch? .. well, the Russian "Elusive Joe" .. no one needs .. don’t push so much, you will earn a hernia, the tea is not The young lady pregnant during childbirth .. laughing
      4. vorobey
        vorobey 20 December 2015 13: 43 New
        +5
        Quote: AlexTires
        AlexTires


        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple

        Quote: Hon
        Hon

        Quote: Misha Honest
        Misha Honest

        Quote: vovanpain
        vovanpain



        gentlemen ... expected reaction ... or maybe we calm and put to sleep "partners"?
        1. Misha Honest
          Misha Honest 20 December 2015 13: 59 New
          +4
          Quote: vorobey
          gentlemen ... expected reaction ... or maybe we calm and put to sleep "partners"?

          Do you believe in it yourself? no
          1. AndreyS
            AndreyS 20 December 2015 14: 19 New
            +5
            Quote: Misha Honest
            Quote: vorobey
            gentlemen ... expected reaction ... or maybe we calm and put to sleep "partners"?

            Do you believe in it yourself? no

            And how! Judging by the reaction of the forum users, the direction is right !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            1. Misha Honest
              Misha Honest 20 December 2015 14: 33 New
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              AndreyS
              In my opinion, it’s the other way around ... They minus the article, just because everyone got such an excuse from those in power as there is no money! You look at the cottages of officials on Rublevka, in Barvikha, Zhukovka and Nikolina Gora! Medieval castles are easy! The Yeltsin family on Nikolina Gora has such a giant red brick fence in the form of the Kremlin wall ... PPC, while they say that there is no money ... am
              1. tissot72
                tissot72 20 December 2015 19: 23 New
                +2
                Here, as it were necessary to separate the flies from the cutlets, we were told about this more than once by everyone, including the sun-like one: those who are behind the red brick fences are one thing, and those who are behind the net are the netting (or none at all with what) is another !!!
                They have an annual income of 3 lyamas - the fence is red, you have the same income - the fence is transparent, but you don’t have a wife who only officially reports 700 taxyamy tax a year (well, like some deputy prime ministers) ???
                Therefore, we sit on the rail exactly, it says from above: you need to lean on your shoulder and tighten your belts, GO FORWARD !!! To a brighter future ...
          2. vorobey
            vorobey 20 December 2015 14: 43 New
            +7
            Quote: Misha Honest
            Do you believe in it yourself?


            in our life there is even something that in principle does not happen. repeat so I won’t be surprised if it pops up unexpectedly and travels around the country ahead of schedule .... and let the Amer’s satellites catch the flare of the launches and scratch their turnips ... we are all ... torn to shreds ...
          3. Sirocco
            Sirocco 20 December 2015 15: 00 New
            +6
            Quote: Misha Honest
            Do you believe in it yourself?

            Since when, has information relating to state secrets been discussed and published in the media and on the Internet?
            I can say about this duck. So. To live with wolves howl like a wolf.
            I think we are not so naive as to believe all sorts of coalitions and partnerships there? Russia already passed a similar lie at the beginning of the last century. The whole "civilized" west swore love and devotion. As a result, they received the Second World War.
        2. Hon
          Hon 20 December 2015 15: 16 New
          +1
          Now Putin is demonstrating strength in Syria and is constantly fumbling "partners" with strategic missile carrier flights near their borders. Against this background, it is doubtful that there is a goal to reassure anyone
          1. Dryuya2
            Dryuya2 20 December 2015 21: 22 New
            +1
            Quote: Hon
            Now Putin is demonstrating strength in Syria and is constantly fumbling "partners" with strategic missile carrier flights near their borders.

            and this is how you ??? wink
            Assad will fly to Iran under the protection of Russian fighters
            Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s plane will be accompanied by four Russian fighters during his visit to Iran. According to the Lebanese publication Al-Diyar, the aviation command of the international coalition led by the United States is aware of this. The coalition received a warning so that its forces would not approach Assad’s plane to avoid a collision. According to the media, the route of the head of Syria will go through Iraq.
            Earlier, media reported that Bashar al-Assad could visit Tehran in late December or early January, but until now the information has not received confirmation.

            Read more: https://eadaily.com/news/2015/12/20/asad-poletit-s-vizitom-v-iran-pod-ohranoy-ro


            ssiyskih-istrebiteley
        3. dauria
          dauria 20 December 2015 15: 58 New
          +1
          But can we calm and lull the "partners"?


          laughing We believe this, we don’t believe the site and NTV, and there’s intelligence from the "partners"
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 20 December 2015 19: 42 New
            +2
            Quote: dauria
            But can we calm and lull the "partners"?


            laughing We believe this, we don’t believe the site and NTV, and there’s intelligence from the "partners"


            toda oh ... that's right such messages via tweeter need ...
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 20 December 2015 23: 59 New
              +3
              Quote: vorobey
              toda oh ... that's right such messages via tweeter need ...

              .. Rogozin realized that they don’t understand through tweeter .. went to the shooting gallery to show, maybe then it will come .. laughing
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 20 December 2015 13: 01 New
      +8
      Quote: AlexTires
      Apparently, all the money went to the construction of the Yeltsin Center .....

      Sadly, mattresses rejoice fie.
      1. H - ck 61
        H - ck 61 20 December 2015 17: 08 New
        0
        Scalpel as a Ghost wandering in RUSSIA
    3. max702
      max702 20 December 2015 13: 07 New
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      Regarding the money, I recall in the month of August this year, we acquired US securities 21.5 billion \ dollars .. This money would be enough for 2000 valves (5mln \ dollars * 2000 = 10bn / dollars)As well as 200 Су-35 (55*200=11млрд\долл) . And this is only an August purchase! Just now in green candy wrappers 70bn \ dollars officially, how many more in other "reliable" and "profitable" assets are hard to say ..So the country has money! The question is who and how disposes of them ..
      1. DobryAAH
        DobryAAH 20 December 2015 13: 36 New
        +5
        Suggest what to invest in? We can’t accelerate sharply in either Armata or SU-35. It’s like a paid medicine: how much money you don’t give, but anyway they will be treated according to their knowledge and skills. So what tools to put in a lot of earned money? And to get them out of there quickly.
      2. vorobey
        vorobey 20 December 2015 13: 48 New
        11
        Quote: max702
        Regarding the money, I recall in the month of August this year, we acquired US securities 21.5 billion \ dollars .. This money would be enough for 2000 valves (5mln \ dollars * 2000 = 10bn / dollars)As well as 200 Су-35 (55*200=11млрд\долл) . And this is only an August purchase! Just now in green candy wrappers 70bn \ dollars officially, how many more in other "reliable" and "profitable" assets are hard to say ..So the country has money! The question is who and how disposes of them ..


        A good post and a sore subject ...

        http://rusrand.ru/events/vlozhenija-v-gosobligatsii-ssha-kak-indikator-politiche
        skih-protsessov

        and why do you say that over the course of 14 years, more than a hundred yards of ours have been withdrawn from the papers of the Fed .. request I do not understand..
        1. bannik
          bannik 20 December 2015 22: 14 New
          0
          Then the question: why introduced?
      3. I am Russian
        I am Russian 20 December 2015 14: 25 New
        11
        Regarding the money, I recall in the month of August this year we purchased US securities for 21.5 billion \ dollars .. This money would be enough for 2000 armatures (5 million \ $ * 2000 = 10 billion / dollar), as well as 200 Su-35 (55 * 200 = 11bn \ dollars). And this is only an August purchase! In total, now it’s officially 70 billion \ dollars in green wrappers, how many other “reliable” and “profitable” assets are hard to say .. So the country has money! The question is who and how disposes of them ..

        Russia does not have its own financial system; the US Federal Reserve through its branch (CBR) lends to Russia at 8% per annum. The Russian ruble is secured mainly by debt securities of the US Treasury, which the Russian Federation buys for currency, so Russia cannot help but sell its natural resources. The ruble exchange rate depends on the dollar earned in the foreign market. This is the absolute status of the colony, unfortunately. hi
        1. Haettenschweiler
          Haettenschweiler 20 December 2015 14: 31 New
          +5
          Quote: I-Russian
          Russia does not have its own financial system; the US Federal Reserve through its branch (CBR) lends to Russia at 8% per annum. The Russian ruble is secured mainly by debt securities of the US Treasury, which the Russian Federation buys for currency, so Russia cannot help but sell its natural resources. The ruble exchange rate depends on the dollar earned in the foreign market. This is the absolute status of the colony, unfortunately.


          - All this is very easy to understand, and, unfortunately, is absolutely out of sight of the vast majority of our fellow citizens. That is why they look with such indignation at the external debt of the United States and wait for the financial bubble to burst. And he will never burst, because he was originally conceived like this. China earned my deep respect when he advanced his national currency into an international basket. Thus, he withdrew his money from the control zone of the US Federal Reserve. If the Russians, paying one dollar, pay the print of two at once, then China no longer plays this game. And we have absolutely no chance to do the same - even if you do not take into account the insignificant in comparison with the Chinese economy, then all the same in currency games too big uncles are tied in jackets that sit in the Kremlin and the environs that never "get rid" of dollar will not be allowed.
        2. vorobey
          vorobey 20 December 2015 14: 45 New
          +3
          Quote: I-Russian
          This is the absolute status of the colony, unfortunately.


          and the largest colony in the USA then China turns out ... 20% is stored in US papers laughing
          1. I am Russian
            I am Russian 20 December 2015 14: 53 New
            0
            Quote: vorobey
            Quote: I-Russian
            This is the absolute status of the colony, unfortunately.


            and the largest colony in the USA then China turns out ... 20% is stored in US papers laughing


            The Chinese yuan is the same derivative of the SGA dollar as the Russian ruble. But they have slightly different conditions.
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 20 December 2015 15: 23 New
              +3
              Quote: I-Russian
              The Chinese yuan is the same derivative of the SGA dollar as the Russian ruble.


              Well, agree that securities are not bought or sold for RMB or rubles ... and foreign exchange earnings are needed .. and these derivatives (Fed stocks and not RMB or rubles) can be held to secure the risks of not receiving currency ..
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      4. Pirogov
        Pirogov 20 December 2015 14: 52 New
        0
        Yes, but you forgot to say that US toilet paper is more important for someone! Question for whom?
        1. I am Russian
          I am Russian 20 December 2015 15: 01 New
          +1
          Quote: Pirogov
          Yes, but you forgot to say that US toilet paper is more important for someone! Question for whom?


          For those who created the Bretton Woods financial system. The conference laid the foundation for organizations such as the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development (IBRD) and the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

          Dollarization of the economies of several countries, which led to the withdrawal of the money supply from under national control and its transfer to the control of the Federal Reserve System.

          The USSR signed the agreement, but I.V. Stalin did not ratify it.
      5. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 20 December 2015 15: 24 New
        -1
        Quote: max702
        we purchased securities

        We ...) Every normal Russian keeps his savings in dollars. So the leadership of the Russians also keeps their savings in dollars, the scale is really different, but they also have different opportunities. T.ch. you forget this “we”, it’s all theirs, it’s already taken abroad and laundered. As soon as it starts, all this money will be scattered along the billions of billionaires, scattered to their homeland, to England, America, Israel. The same simple maneuver at one time was carried out with the so-called. the "gold of the party," which was, and then, "somewhere gone."
      6. cap
        cap 20 December 2015 20: 42 New
        0
        Quote: max702
        In total, now it’s officially 70 billion \ dollars in green wrappers, how many other “reliable” and “profitable” assets are hard to say .. So the country has money! The question is who and how disposes of them ..

        Therefore, set hi
    4. Haettenschweiler
      Haettenschweiler 20 December 2015 13: 09 New
      +6
      Quote: AlexTires
      Apparently, all the money went to the construction of the Yeltsin Center .....


      - As well as the "Forces of Siberia", "Turkish Stream", "South Stream" (a little earlier), assistance to Syria, of course, Skolkovo and lending nanotolium with its "Rosnol", purchase of 90 billion US "securities", increase 3 billion expenses for the maintenance of officials, the long-term Vostochny cosmodrome (royal feast of sawmakers from the budget), preparations for the 2018 World Cup (no less than a royal feast for private contractors and government officials), and much, much more.
      1. Sergey S.
        Sergey S. 20 December 2015 13: 48 New
        +6
        Quote: Haettenschweiler
        As well as the "Forces of Siberia", "Turkish Stream", "South Stream" (a little earlier), assistance to Syria

        About these projects so viciously is not necessary, it at least makes some sense.

        And help to Syria is generally our pass to paradise.

        Although throwing streams along the Black Sea looks somehow silly and pointless - each new version is worse than the old. It was necessary to immediately abandon these projects, and stupidly water the pipe on its territory with sulfuric acid until it decays under the influence of the "environment" ... and repair endlessly ...

        It’s clear. that it is not profitable to trade with the geyropeytsy - and it’s just silly to execute contracts with a podhodovka. Declare force majeure and break contracts.

        Officials and oligofrechs will be upset, but they already have it to the eyeballs, and ordinary people can’t stop working ... We will feed ourselves. You look and friable potatoes will appear in stores, and cabbage will be fermented again.

        But "Power of Siberia", as far as I know, is a promising project ...
        1. Haettenschweiler
          Haettenschweiler 20 December 2015 14: 21 New
          -1
          Quote: Sergey S.
          About these projects so viciously is not necessary, it at least makes some sense.


          - The meaning is yes. Implementation - at our expense !!! It turns out that these projects are needed only and exclusively by us?

          Quote: Sergey S.
          Officials and oligophres upset


          - That would be someone else who undertook to upset them for real and confiscated everything unjustly acquired in favor of the budget. Although ... confiscation in favor of the budget is the same as taking it away and giving it back, unfortunately. Need a "financial inquisition." With real fiery inquisitors at the head. Or, more Russian version, oprichnina. While there is no real control over the spending of earmarked funds, the budget will remain "full of holes", whatever the price of oil.

          Quote: Sergey S.
          But "Power of Siberia", as far as I know, is a promising project ...


          - But China with the construction of the pipe "threw us" not childishly.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 20 December 2015 17: 15 New
            0
            Everything is there for the money of China - the one that did not throw us.
            1. Haettenschweiler
              Haettenschweiler 20 December 2015 18: 23 New
              0
              Quote: Vadim237
              Everything is there for the money of China - the one that did not throw us.


              The construction of the Power of Siberia gas pipeline will cost 770 billion rubles. This was reported in a release prepared for the ceremony of connecting the first link of the pipeline. The event will be held on Monday in Yakutia with the participation of Russian President Vladimir Putin.


              http://www.kp.ru/online/news/1831945/

              - More questions will be?
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 21 December 2015 09: 40 New
                0
                In general, this construction is carried out with the money of China and co-investors, and indeed, that we consider other people's money - if I am part of this project, then only as a shareholder of Gazprom.
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 20 December 2015 14: 36 New
        +3
        Quote: Haettenschweiler
        - As well as the "Forces of Siberia", "Turkish Stream", "South Stream" (a little earlier), assistance to Syria, of course, Skolkovo and lending nanotolium with its "Rosnol", purchase of 90 billion US "securities", increase 3 billion expenses for the maintenance of officials, the long-term Vostochny cosmodrome (royal feast of sawmakers from the budget), preparations for the 2018 World Cup (no less than a royal feast for private contractors and government officials), and much, much more.

        maybe, but I think that the "barguzins" are made no matter what, by separate financing. imho.
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 20 December 2015 16: 33 New
          0
          I also think so, especially since the article says about the term for adoption, and this does not always coincide with the appearance of "iron".
    5. da Vinci
      da Vinci 20 December 2015 14: 24 New
      +1
      It's time to lay with Merdyukov-the elite-office. laughing
    6. egor670
      egor670 20 December 2015 16: 39 New
      +2
      current oligarchs are very grateful to Yeltsin
    7. Egor123
      Egor123 20 December 2015 18: 44 New
      +1
      For the sake of defense, you can save on anything, even at schools, at least in kindergartens, I'm not talking about our deputies and other "radishes" because if there is none, then there will be no country.
      Why is all this necessary if there is nothing to protect the country and it can be captured at any moment?
    8. Skif83
      Skif83 20 December 2015 20: 05 New
      +2
      As for the money you need to ask with a predilection for all the Gaidar lasts, and only the stool with his clique especially.
      Another question, why ... it was necessary to destroy what was on the database?
      And why did they destroy the Antey nuclear submarine of Project 949A, of which 5, 3 remained in service and under repair and modernization, the Kursk died (but rather destroyed, the story is dark). But each of these nuclear submarines opposed the carrier-carrier groupings of "partners", the USA has 11, i.e. we have a shortage !?
      And not only the nuclear submarines were leaked into "timelessness" ...
    9. mihasik
      mihasik 21 December 2015 03: 20 New
      0
      Quote: AlexTires
      Apparently, all the money for the construction of the Yeltsin Center .....

      Another God, now liberal generations. The only strange thing is that the rest of the general secretaries did not have mausoleums, otherwise Red Square would resemble a cemetery of Egyptian pyramids! And now there is a modern mausoleum to the First Alkash on a global scale, which drank the largest country in the world! Guinness is resting! Russia again bypassed everyone by insanity! Bravo, modern Russia-Yeltsin is your Hero?))
  2. NIKNN
    NIKNN 20 December 2015 12: 35 New
    +8
    Afflicted. I hope there is indeed something more important and no less effective that you can’t put off request
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 20 December 2015 12: 54 New
      +2
      Due to the difficult financial situation in the Russian Federation adoption Barguzin railway missile system will be held no earlier than 2020
      I would like to clarify this question. This is for a beautiful word, that would not greatly resent? Or the truth, and not about building and then testing. If, as it is written, then I do not mind. But then at 20 in service there should be several complexes.
      1. AlexTires
        AlexTires 20 December 2015 13: 04 New
        +2
        By 20, it seemed that it was planned to have a full division of five regiments ...
      2. veksha50
        veksha50 20 December 2015 13: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: Kil 31
        But then at 20 in service there should be several complexes.



        It would be foolish to do such a thing, to put it mildly ... Money thrown away ...

        From the experience of the formation of the first BZHRK, I can say that immediately there are a lot of problems that need to be brought to mind, and now the second, third complexes are already taking into account the claims expressed by the rocket launchers during the pilot combat duty ...

        Well, about six months or a year it will take to “run-in” the head complex ...

        PS There are still a lot of problems that no one mentions that will arise in questions of the movement of complexes on the railway ... Previously, at least there was a unified system of state administration, but now the railway has somewhat different orders ... Yes, and the drivers at the BZHRK have long been stopped releasing, again everything will start from scratch ...
        1. kil 31
          kil 31 20 December 2015 13: 50 New
          0
          Quote: veksha50
          Quote: Kil 31
          But then at 20 in service there should be several complexes.



          It would be foolish to do such a thing, to put it mildly ... Money thrown away ...

          From the experience of the formation of the first BZHRK, I can say that immediately there are a lot of problems that need to be brought to mind, and now the second, third complexes are already taking into account the claims expressed by the rocket launchers during the pilot combat duty ...

          Well, about six months or a year it will take to “run-in” the head complex ...

          PS There are still a lot of problems that no one mentions that will arise in questions of the movement of complexes on the railway ... Previously, at least there was a unified system of state administration, but now the railway has somewhat different orders ... Yes, and the drivers at the BZHRK have long been stopped releasing, again everything will start from scratch ...
          George. As for the railways, I agree on one thing. There were problems with the paths. They did not go, as told and implied. Rarely which branch stood it. Let them prepare and strengthen by 20 that route on which he will walk. If they write that will be adopted. Then by this time they should strengthen the branches for the movement and make dead ends for it, as well as the entire service team.
          1. rudolff
            rudolff 20 December 2015 14: 36 New
            +4
            Why reinforce branches? Well, earlier it’s clear that the rocket weighed over a hundred tons, and with the TPK a little less than 130. The rocket for Barguzin is based on Yars, and Yars without TPK is less than 50 tons (Mace less than 40 tons). If you take the line as the basis, it will be even easier. Yars in the complex (with TPK and with the machine) - 120 tons, the promise of 80 tons.
          2. STALK1974
            STALK1974 20 December 2015 15: 04 New
            +3
            The deadlock stations have not disappeared, they are there, and it’s necessary to train the drivers for 10 months (on the basis of railway technical schools). And the rail-sleeper grid has been replaced with concrete sleepers and R-65 rails. But the maintenance points are abandoned. Take PTO 10- th guards division near Kostroma. Everything is looted, buildings and structures are disassembled, come into a salvage condition and destroyed, railways are dismantled. This infrastructure will be difficult to restore.
            1. veksha50
              veksha50 20 December 2015 15: 28 New
              0
              Quote: STALK1974
              It will be difficult to restore this infrastructure.



              I’ll unveil a little secret of another complexity of the maintenance of the Kostroma division ... It was built in the sprint race, felled the ship’s forest (we already groaned with pity), dung the soil from above, and the Kostroma soils were purely swamp-sousaninsky ... So in a year or two there were also enough problems with this soil ...

              Although it would probably be cheaper to restore the BZHRK DPS, starting exactly from Kostroma ... And all plans and routes should be lifted from the archives, while there is time - to travel around, explore what is needed - fix-repair, especially long-standing parking lots probably dragged away ...
            2. goblin xnumx
              goblin xnumx 20 December 2015 17: 21 New
              0
              literate easier to build new ones - than to disassemble clean and build on a previously illuminated place
              1. veksha50
                veksha50 20 December 2015 17: 49 New
                0
                Quote: Leshy74
                literate easier to build new ones - than to disassemble clean and build on a previously illuminated place



                So PPD - at least new, even old - can not be hidden ... So there is no difference ...
          3. veksha50
            veksha50 20 December 2015 15: 21 New
            +1
            Quote: Kil 31
            There were problems with the paths.


            This is not a problem ...

            It was then that we first encountered problems of joining the rules for moving heavy-duty trains and a combat duty system ... It began with the fact that each engineer in a civilian knows his own section of the track and "walks" only back and forth after passing the appropriate permissions ...

            And here, the BZHRK went for a month’s round-the-world voyage for three months, three shifts of drivers, as well as management calculations ... The shoulders are huge ... Plus - there is a discrepancy in the time it’s possible to find a BZHRK driver (he, like the crew members, should serve -control: 8 hours - “driving”, 8 hours - rest, etc.), and the Russian Railways have different rules ... And according to their rules, our drivers are kamikaze - well, you cannot drive a diesel locomotive for 8 hours steam locomotive !!! Plus - we violate the movement schedule of civil trains ...

            In general, God forbid, we thought of it and already found all the old people both from the BZHRK and from the Russian Railways who were involved in resolving these issues ...

            Now, just now, once the time of entering Barguzin’s armament has been postponed, these issues need to be decided in advance ...

            In general, many organizational and technical difficulties and problems surfaced at the stage of formation ... And when everything began to work like a clock - came kirdyk ...
            1. goblin xnumx
              goblin xnumx 20 December 2015 17: 23 New
              0
              now the load is not the same - the train is much smaller and freight and passenger - the window is easier to find
        2. STALK1974
          STALK1974 20 December 2015 14: 53 New
          +1
          Previously, the drivers were released at the 9th All-Russian Central High School of Railway in Petrodvorets, but now, in my opinion, they have disbanded.
    2. Coconut Tima
      Coconut Tima 20 December 2015 12: 56 New
      +4
      Quote: NIKNN
      I hope there is indeed something more important and no less effective that you can’t postpone the request

      Of course have ! Transportation of the seats of the servants of the people. Federal executive authorities, according to the Ministry of Finance for the 2014 (crisis) year, use more than 55 thousand of their own and rented cars to transport officials. The monthly cost of maintaining one car, excluding the driver’s salary, is at least 17 thousand rubles or more, depending on the class of the car. The cost of maintaining an official fleet of officials last year exceeded 11 billion rubles, not counting the acquisition of new cars - the Ministry of Finance does not provide data on their purchases and does not offer savings on them.
      1. STALK1974
        STALK1974 20 December 2015 15: 13 New
        +1
        We had a scandal about two weeks ago. Information leaked out that to ensure the rural population census, the regional department of Rosstat decided to buy a for 2 million rubles (air conditioning, leather interior, multimedia, etc., in general, full "stuffing") to carry extras on villages. After the scandal, they calmed down like.
        1. kil 31
          kil 31 20 December 2015 15: 47 New
          0
          Quote: STALK1974
          We had a scandal about two weeks ago. Information leaked out that to ensure the rural population census, the regional department of Rosstat decided to buy a for 2 million rubles (air conditioning, leather interior, multimedia, etc., in general, full "stuffing") to carry extras on villages. After the scandal, they calmed down like.

          You did the right thing. Banana them ... Let them put on rubber boots and walk around the village.
          1. goblin xnumx
            goblin xnumx 20 December 2015 17: 26 New
            +2
            and do you think if they would have bought the census tellers on it, they would have really carried it around? The ordinary men would have wandered around in the boots and the machine was used as it was intended — in the personal guide and after a couple of years to be written off at a ridiculous price
      2. creak
        creak 20 December 2015 15: 36 New
        +3
        Quote: coconut tim
        The Ministry of Finance does not provide data on their purchases and does not offer savings on them.


        And why save on official cars. when there are pensioners who are not even sure that there will be money for indexation laid down by federal law .. There are nurses with a salary of 8-9 thousand - there are other categories of the population who save and will save ..
        But the sacred (official cars - by their number we have a confident world championship)) you can’t sway, as they said in the "good old days" - it can lead you far, by doing this you pour water onto the mill you know ... recourse
    3. Dryuya2
      Dryuya2 20 December 2015 13: 04 New
      11
      Quote: vovanpain
      Sadly

      Quote: NIKNN
      Afflicted

      for the mood

      1. kil 31
        kil 31 20 December 2015 13: 39 New
        +3
        Today I looked at the star. There was one question. If an uninhabited fighting compartment, why the hell an ejector.
    4. iva276
      iva276 20 December 2015 13: 11 New
      0
      It’s too early to worry - it’s still necessary to create it .. Until we have decided what to equip: it’s possible, but it can. From a conceptual design to technology, oh, how close it is ..
    5. veksha50
      veksha50 20 December 2015 13: 24 New
      +5
      Quote: NIKNN
      Afflicted. I hope there is indeed something more important and no less effective that you can’t put off



      I now thought that the Commander of the Strategic Missile Forces said that the R&D work on Sarmatia was completed ... The project is very expensive and time-consuming, but powerful ... But on Barguzin, only mock-up works were completed ...

      Maybe, in order not to spray money, they will be thrown to Sarmat now, so that in 2016, at least in a small amount, he will be on combat duty ???
  3. askort154
    askort154 20 December 2015 12: 36 New
    +3
    We’ll postpone the Barguzin, but we’ll build the XNUMXth Moscow ring road!
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 20 December 2015 13: 12 New
      +4
      Quote: askort154
      We’ll postpone the Barguzin, but we’ll build the XNUMXth Moscow ring road!

      The deadlines can still change many times and not necessarily to the right, but also to the left. It is clearly said that the problem is financing, and we always, either let it be, or a lot ... One thing is good for everyone, this work is being carried out, despite even lack of money.
    2. tolancop
      tolancop 20 December 2015 13: 55 New
      0
      We need both Barguzin and the Central Ring Road. But they do not need to be compared - completely different budget items and ways of financing .. IMHO, it is more likely that it was decided to spend the available funds on fine-tuning the samples "at the exit." If so, then this is quite a reasonable decision: it is better to have one sample brought and put into service and operational, plus a strong backlog in a different way than 2 "raw" ones.

      By the way, financing of the Central Ring Road is being considered not only at the state expense, but also at the expense of private traders. And it's not bad, IMHO.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 December 2015 14: 23 New
      0
      Not critical, Russia has a lot of excellent ICBMs in service.
  4. alekc73
    alekc73 20 December 2015 12: 36 New
    +6
    Not ready okay. Money is not enough clear. The main thing is that the project is not thrown into the basket.
    1. Alexander_
      Alexander_ 20 December 2015 12: 42 New
      0
      In wartime, there is enough money for arming.
      1. dyksi
        dyksi 20 December 2015 13: 04 New
        +1
        I agree, after all, “Barguzin”, this is a weapon to deter “hotheads”, behind a large puddle, they are no less afraid of it than our submarine missile carriers and here you are, the hook with mattresses is knocking on the door, and we have pushed another military program for 20. ... years. Continuous peacefulness, while they encircle us from all sides.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 20 December 2015 14: 29 New
          +1
          But who is encircling us there - Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, Georgia - the “worst” power on the continent - the first batch that will be instantly thrown to the mercy of fate.
  5. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 20 December 2015 12: 38 New
    +7
    It's a pity, but I would like to see how they planned in 2018! But now at 20 so in the 20th, what to do! Maybe it will be technologically a cut above what was planned ..
    1. PN
      PN 20 December 2015 12: 45 New
      +2
      By the way, it’s quite possible. This project has been postponed, but the same electronics may well develop.
  6. barclay
    barclay 20 December 2015 12: 39 New
    +3
    Sad but not critical. As long as the movement to the right does not continue.
  7. captain
    captain 20 December 2015 12: 40 New
    +3
    It’s bad, but still joyful in my soul that we are creating new complexes. It is only a pity that the old are so thoughtlessly destroyed. A lot of bad and different things were written about Gorbachev. Perhaps no one has done so much damage to our state, except that Hitler didn’t even destroy Russia .. All the same, Lenin was wrong that a cook could rule the state in Russia. In England, Thatcher (who began her career as a dishwasher in a bar) was able to, but in Russia, the assistant combine operator could not.
    1. avt
      avt 20 December 2015 12: 55 New
      +9
      Quote: captain
      Poorly,

      What is wrong ?? What’s new, “Borey A” was pledged and there really isn’t enough money for everything at once and by the 20th year of release ?? Moved the deadlines to the right, not only for this project. The spaceport also moved to the right.
      Quote: captain
      All the same, Lenin was wrong that a cook could rule the state in Russia.

      Lenin, or Trotsky? Or maybe even -B. V. Mayakovsky in the poem "Vladimir Ilyich Lenin":
      Tablecloth Track!
      ,, We and the cook
      every
      learn
      to govern the state! "That is, again, more specifically, to govern the state, or, should we give such an amount of knowledge that every cook can manage the state?" Again, now why is everyone chorus saying that the founders didn’t say such a thing. But what if, according to V.I. Lenin, in the famous work "Will the Bolsheviks Hold State Power" (v. 34, p. 315)
      We are not utopians. We know that any laborer and any cook are not capable of immediately taking control of the state. In this we agree with the Cadets, and with Breshkovskaya, and with Tsereteli. But we differ from these citizens in that we demand an immediate break with the prejudice that it is to run the state, to carry out the everyday, daily work of the administration, only rich or from wealthy families officials can take. We demand that training in public administration be given by conscious workers and soldiers, and that it begin immediately, that is, all workers, the whole poor, are immediately involved in this training.
      1. max2215
        max2215 20 December 2015 13: 09 New
        +7
        A cook may not be able to, but the current state of the economy says that no brother, even in the past, can rule the state for sure. They took power from 90, settled down, but how rotten inside was left, that's all only to myself and my .....
        1. avt
          avt 20 December 2015 13: 32 New
          +3
          Quote: max2215
          A cook may not be able to,

          wassat When, finally, learn to read everything and highlight the meaning that is laid down by the author, and not what is seen with some kind of fright! Even Mayakovsky’s key word is LEARNING to govern the state, while Lenin’s
          Quote: avt
          we demand an immediate break with the prejudice that it is to rule the state, to carry out the everyday, daily work of the administration in the state of only wealthy officials or taken from wealthy families.

          Or imagine yourself from the “noble dons”, imagine how many current ones who rushed to search for the “aristocratic” past in themselves, with a genetically transmitted knowledge of everything and everything? The same Lenin demanded
          We demand that training in public administration be given by conscious workers and soldiers, and that it begin immediately, that is, all workers, the whole poor, immediately begin to be involved in this training.
          Do you hear? TEACH ALL THE WORKERS, ALL THE POVERTY. And do not arrange a caste of "managers" - hereditary managers. That is, in fact - create a social elevator.
    2. AlexTires
      AlexTires 20 December 2015 12: 59 New
      +1
      Gorbachev had nothing to do with it, Yeltsin signed the START 2 treaty, and Russia could not have disposed of them (although there were other treaties under the START), because by that time (2003 — 2007 year) it had left the treaty back in the 2002 year ... so here enough guilty ..
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 20 December 2015 13: 41 New
        +4
        Gorbachev has nothing to do with it,
        Gorbachev, everywhere. And, the fact that Yeltsin turned from a middle-ranking official into a president, Gorbachev had a hand in the same. This TV-labeled, everywhere and everything destroyed, to which I could reach. Mysticalsome kind of sv!
    3. Shark Lover
      Shark Lover 20 December 2015 13: 10 New
      +4
      He secured a pension. In general, the paradox, the first people, after retirement, live abroad. Apparently he was not sickly dumped for the destruction of the USSR (assistance in the destruction) This also applies to depupeds, all sorts of members, etc. I remember I couldn’t go abroad for five years, I had access to secrets)))
    4. ksan
      ksan 20 December 2015 13: 56 New
      +1
      Perhaps no one has done so much harm to our state, except that Hitler didn’t even destroy Russia. All the same, Lenin was wrong that a cook could rule the state in Russia.
      These words are taken out of context. fellow Lenin wrote an article on the importance of universal education for the population and that if you learn the cook accordingly, she will be able to rule the state. And the fact that the "educated" collective farmer Gorbachev will come and destroy his brainchild almost at the peak of power is HE and he could not have foreseen in a terrible dream. He didn’t turn over there in the Mausoleum. wassat
    5. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 20 December 2015 14: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: captain
      All the same, Lenin was wrong,

      All our troubles come from that. that the empty-handed "Lenin is wrong", while we didn’t read Lenin, we don’t read and do not intend to read at all, neither Lenin, nor Marx, nor even "What is good and what is bad" ...

      A. V.I. Lenin was right in almost every word.

      But here the verbal truth becomes the truth of life only after hard work.
      Kaplan shot Lenin with poison with the full understanding that without him the plan could not be accomplished ...

      Written not against I.V. Stalin.
      This is to ensure that the influence of the individual at certain points in history is very important.
      And if V.I. were alive Lenin, we could count on a real revolution throughout Europe (without Britain).
      Who does not know - The command of the ships of the interventionists quickly campaigned under the red banners.
      And the Entente was crushed not by the power of drafts and machine guns, but by the propaganda of EQUALITY, JUSTICE, FELLOWSHIP.
    6. STALK1974
      STALK1974 20 December 2015 15: 18 New
      +2
      BZHRK poher Boris Pyany.
      1. onix757
        onix757 20 December 2015 15: 24 New
        +2
        Quote: STALK1974
        BZHRK poher Boris Pyany.

        In general, they were removed from combat duty under Putin
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        2. STALK1974
          STALK1974 20 December 2015 15: 40 New
          +1
          And the agreement with the USA was signed by EBN.
          1. onix757
            onix757 20 December 2015 15: 50 New
            +4
            And the agreement with the USA was signed by EBN.

            Yes, the tragedy of our government (in addition to all others) lies in the fact that it is ready to fulfill any criminal treaty where others would fuck. I understand that EBN and GDP have continuity, but it’s not the same anti-state.
  8. Private27
    Private27 20 December 2015 12: 43 New
    +2
    Let the mendel with the companion shake the money and everything will be fine. In the extreme case, they will ask the Guarantor, because money is needed for a good deed. And they may not steal it, they will be afraid. am
  9. demo
    demo 20 December 2015 12: 43 New
    +1
    They say so - one strategic alignment.
    They say otherwise - another.
  10. kapitan92
    kapitan92 20 December 2015 12: 43 New
    +9
    Poorly! Americans really "respected" such a complex! Stealth, power and all in one bottle. It's a pity.
    1. tolancop
      tolancop 20 December 2015 14: 03 New
      -1
      According to Scalpel, there were a lot of materials in tyrnet. Theoretically, a great thing. But in real life, as they wrote, not too many walked along the country's roads. And there were constant complaints of the Ministry of Railways about the destruction of tracks by "missile trains." The complex was overweight and too expensive to operate. Its creators accomplished a feat, but alas, you can’t jump above your head. I believe that the creators of Barguzin will take into account the shortcomings of the Scalpel, but it takes time to work out and produce.
  11. tema2101
    tema2101 20 December 2015 12: 43 New
    +1
    There will be no changes in the project, everything is written in the article. The terms for adoption have been shifted. AND
    it’s rather not about money, since the complex is a priority.
  12. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 20 December 2015 12: 44 New
    +1
    Why did strategic forces begin to cut funding? You can cut back on purchases of non-strategic weapons for that matter. For example, Armata tanks, BMP Kurganets-25, BMP T-15, etc.
    1. Shark Lover
      Shark Lover 20 December 2015 13: 19 New
      0
      Yes, I think the main thing is development, technology. And putting it on wheels, if necessary, can be quick .. Here at home sometimes, so much is needed, but you move something, put it off, although it's not bad, like, we earn. And, most importantly, NOBODY steals at home, except sometimes a cat. To answer with what is, as a deterrent, is apparently not very relevant. Immigrants use the tactics of partisans, only on a global scale. Small groups (countries) scoot from all sides, forcing them to disperse. Therefore, you need to immediately aim in one place))), they themselves will crawl up the country when their mothers (application to a public house) do not .
    2. ksan
      ksan 20 December 2015 14: 02 New
      0
      Why did strategic forces begin to cut funding?
      Hardly. Strategic Nuclear Forces - forces of constant readiness and according to the Program they are changed by 90%, most likely some kind of “changes”, “innovations” or “developments” have appeared that it would be advisable to apply to the BZHRK but they are still “raw” hi
  13. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 20 December 2015 12: 45 New
    0
    (sarcasm) we are waiting for the second Plato system.

    incidentally, Canadians even make money out of air)) on the official website of a Canadian company they sell clean air cylinders (clickable)
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 December 2015 14: 30 New
      0
      Probably for asthmatics.
  14. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 20 December 2015 12: 51 New
    +1
    Just yesterday I read that in a couple of years there will be. Something out of place.
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 20 December 2015 12: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Good AAAH
      Just yesterday I read that in a couple of years there will be. Something out of place.

      This is always the case with us. Even with good and stable financing, deadlines are broken.
      Apparently we will never have it since in the USA, everything is rented out on time in a relatively short time and in the required quantity.
      1. shans2
        shans2 20 December 2015 12: 56 New
        0
        Yeah, especially f 35, airplanes with a laser, electromagnetic guns on zomwalt, everything is on time and is already in service wassat
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 20 December 2015 13: 05 New
          +1
          Quote: shans2
          Yeah, especially f 35, airplanes with a laser, electromagnetic guns on zomwalt, everything is on time and is already in service

          At zumwalt, they will be testing new weapons.
          Look at the submarines of Virginia, in August they are launched in December, they are taken to the Navy.
          Superhornets build 48 aircraft per year. Poseidon anti-submarine aircraft and edwedced hawkai drone aircraft are being built in large batches.
      2. AdekvatNICK
        AdekvatNICK 20 December 2015 12: 57 New
        +2
        come on you. We also have progress in this, there are some factories that even ahead of schedule fulfilled their armament plans.
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 20 December 2015 13: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: AdekvatNICK
          come on you. We also have progress in this, there are some factories that even ahead of schedule fulfilled their armament plans.

          Rather, plans are understated there. I understand when the plant immediately surrenders to the squadron in the VKS. And we constantly have news like "the plant transferred 1-2 planes to the VKS" ...
      3. tolancop
        tolancop 20 December 2015 14: 06 New
        0
        In life, I won’t believe that when creating a complex complex, it will be possible to fully meet the planned dates and estimates. CAN NOT BE!! Neither ours nor others !! If such a project is delivered on time, then ... delivered with imperfections.
      4. veksha50
        veksha50 20 December 2015 14: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
        Apparently we will never have it since in the USA, everything is rented out on time in a relatively short time and in the required quantity.


        Yeah ... they forgot the quality - one of the most important criteria ... and the F-35 ... And the super destroyer ... you can attach something else ...

        It is not necessary - especially now - to compare the economies of the USA and Russia ... This is a dishonest game ...
        We collapsed almost to the ass, and we are slowly recovering ... When Russia-the USSR suffered heavy losses in both the first and second world wars, the United States only profited from them ... And they didn’t go through the dashing 90s, otherwise they would not exist in the world for a long time ...
  15. apro
    apro 20 December 2015 12: 55 New
    -5
    The main question is why? Bzhrk is much cheaper than plrb and much more effective here, I think it’s not about the money, the partners asked and Putin could not refuse.
  16. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 20 December 2015 13: 01 New
    +8
    Lies. Work is underway on schedule. There is absolutely nothing to do with the budget; these items of expenditure were not sequestered. Who cares, follow the links. You will come to the OBS! such “sources in the defense industry complex” can be found in the beer house closest to the defense plant, and not one. Personally, if I were a counterintelligence officer, I would disseminate information in exactly opposite directions - all our equipment is rusty iron, death row were sitting in the Caliber warheads, since there is no Russian electronics and cannot be. And the opposite direction - our secret plants rivet the "Death Star" on the far side of the Moon, and soon everyone will see and shudder.
    They (hegemons) periodically throw fakes with laser weapons, which is about (and for 40 years now). And the free-falling nuclear bombs suddenly rushed to update - that’s also me, the weapon of the first strike. Aircraft are much more vulnerable than cruise missiles.
  17. izya top
    izya top 20 December 2015 13: 05 New
    +1
    bad news what
  18. veksha50
    veksha50 20 December 2015 13: 11 New
    +3
    "" One regiment of the new generation Barguzin being recreated in Russia of the BZHRK will be able to carry six intercontinental ballistic missiles like "Yars" or "Yars-M" "" ....

    The old BZHRK regiment (Well done) consisted of three ...

    It’s a pity ... The Americans were very afraid of the BZHRK, and their nervous body movements began again when the news came of the work begun on the Barguzin ...

    So when I read the lists of well-fed bellies that occupy some leading places in the Russian version of Forbes, I involuntarily start to get angry ... Nooo, not that they are billionaires, but I do not ... And the fact that there are billions of them stolen from the people of the country in which they live and supposedly patriots of the country which they try to position themselves ...

    Why not engage in “charity” and not unfasten a bit to carry out work on projects such as new airplanes, missile systems, ships ??? Why not take patronage over one of the projects ??? I understand that these are my stupid fantasies, however - why Putin does not have a “roof” for them — if you want to be rich in Russia in the future — do something useful for her ...
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 20 December 2015 13: 36 New
      +1
      That's when I read the lists of well-fed bellies, which occupy some leading places in the Russian version of Forbes, involuntarily I get angry ...
      So, you, for the 37 year has come again! hi Unfortunately, L.P. You won’t return Beria. Only under his strict guidance could it be possible to carry out everything neatly. Yezhov, really swung that year. Lavrenty Palych would have done more gently, but not one would have left. bully
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 20 December 2015 15: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: avva2012
        So, you, for the 37 year has come again!



        You read my post carefully ... I did not make radical proposals, but said about "possible charity in favor of the state and its people, persons who robbed this state and people, but who position themselves as patriots "...

        Under the tsars, merchants, industrialists, rich people in general, didn’t rarely donate to state affairs ... For this, they received letters, medals, orders, and privileges from the tsar ... As an example, I can even cite the cities of Kostroma and Nizhny Novgorod, which "for services to the Fatherland" existed almost without paying the state duty to the treasury ... Once again I emphasize: "For services to the Fatherland" !!!

        We have such an order, in my opinion, even three degrees ... They only hand it to anyone - no matter ...
  19. ZKVR
    ZKVR 20 December 2015 13: 12 New
    +2
    This means that it is already taken and ride. And that’s what amuse the Americans that sanctions work. Ha ha
  20. galakt
    galakt 20 December 2015 13: 16 New
    +2
    You can tell whatever you want, if only it would be beneficial. You can yield in tactics, and win in strategy. The main thing is that the tack has always been correct.
  21. -СтрР° РЅРЅРёРє-
    -СтрР° РЅРЅРёРє- 20 December 2015 13: 22 New
    +3
    The news is somehow not happy. negative Especially in light of the fact that in recent years they have been trying hard to drag us into the war ...
  22. KBR109
    KBR109 20 December 2015 13: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: AlexTires
    Apparently, all the money went to the construction of the Yeltsin Center .....
    Well, why is everything ... Probably a little was left at the Nemtsov Center. And on a lifetime monument to half-marshal Serdyukov in half with Vasilyeva. However, here you can go to half measures and change faces "Worker and Collective Farm Girl".
  23. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 20 December 2015 13: 23 New
    +1
    In the process, you can adjust the timing of the creation, nothing surprising and remarkable. But the fact that the complex will be created and will enter the troops is beyond my doubt.
  24. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 20 December 2015 13: 32 New
    +4
    Yes, the point is not that they will build it in a year or two, but is there anyone to build it for, because the question of the succession of generations is hanging in the air and we don’t see a solution to it.
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 20 December 2015 13: 38 New
      +2
      But effective managers ... immeasurably! And we don’t give our offense, and not for 37 years, and the government with the Central Bank is good ... and the BZHRK is Trivia. Unworthy references. The main thing is not to forget to reprimand for economic crimes !!
  25. Zomanus
    Zomanus 20 December 2015 13: 42 New
    -1
    I won’t be very surprised if we find out
    that the throwing tests took place the following year.
    You must understand that about some things it is better to embellish in the opposite direction.
  26. Belarus
    Belarus 20 December 2015 13: 51 New
    +2
    My opinion on this is: the first is perhaps Barguzin did the right thing, but only if: the Russian Federation tried and is trying to drag it into a new arms race in order to worsen the social situation in the country.
    Second: one thing can be said, but everything can be done exactly the opposite so as not to unnerve rabid dogs( the United States and Europeans and others like them) .Yes and to do everything and immediately grabbing at everything and without priorities is impossible.
    Third: they tell us only what they want to tell, and how things really are there, in fact only two people know the GDP and Shoigu, why didn’t I write about M? And you, dear yourself, think about it (Libya alone was enough for me).
    So let's be patient and not say that the project was leaked hi bully
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 20 December 2015 14: 10 New
      +1
      You didn’t write about M ... an asshole because he already proved to be a “worthy Gavnokommandery” in 080808, when the prime minister from Beijing had to work, after losing a lot of time.
      1. Belarus
        Belarus 20 December 2015 16: 18 New
        +1
        08.08.08 as you correctly noticed, I didn’t mention, we will speak out of politeness. And since you all correctly noticed that M is the main person with liberal views and with all the consequences of this.
  27. sisa29
    sisa29 20 December 2015 13: 53 New
    0
    Or maybe in life everything is completely wrong? It was necessary to powder the brains of the United States, they said we were building Barguzin, and we ourselves were developing status 6. Relations with the United States went to the edge, opened the cards, showed the status 6 about the project. The project, the barguzin as a cover, lost its meaning, began to push back,
  28. yuriy55
    yuriy55 20 December 2015 14: 00 New
    0
    The sad news and my thoughts on this are:

    - the available funds allow you to keep parity with mattresses (and who else will encroach?);

    - a shortage of funds would be possible if the funds were allocated in dollars, and not in our Russian rubles (100%, that the money did not come from Ukraine $ 3, or went to the construction of the Yeltsin center ... who knows? ?);

    - a real and objective explanation - not brought to an industrial design (or prototype of military equipment, due to non-compliance with the required parameters, unavailability of the industrial base or other difficulties, as mentioned above, related to movement on the railway).
    what
  29. vivat_rossiya
    vivat_rossiya 20 December 2015 14: 05 New
    0
    I think there will be no progress - weapons plans are priority
  30. UVB
    UVB 20 December 2015 14: 21 New
    +1
    told the agency a source in the defense industry
    Which source? I would not trust such messages. Too much negativity has been thrown in recently.
  31. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 20 December 2015 14: 33 New
    +1
    Here, they’ve removed it from the tongue. Some media outlets with reference to others, those to the third, also started to go .... But I want to ask, but someone thinks at least something in OCD, the stages of their implementation and possible reasons for the postponement of time.
  32. Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 20 December 2015 14: 40 New
    0
    The complex has not yet passed even the design stage, it is necessary to push the standard Yars there, it is not surprising that it was slowed down due to a decrease in incomes, where it is more profitable to finish where the final is determined and there is already something in the iron than what exists as a task and desire , Barguzin’s terms are very approximate, even with funding, and containment resources are more or less enough, in contrast to the resources of an operational response
  33. epsilon571
    epsilon571 20 December 2015 14: 47 New
    +5
    sisa29 RU Today,
    Or maybe in life everything is completely wrong?


    ***
    Or maybe in life everything is completely wrong?
    Perhaps this has its own reasons.
    A mess is being built from the state,
    Similar to the prison project.
    Hucksters spit on the law
    Are you friends like cattle ..
    Now the Stolypin wagon is more important,
    And we are all talking about "Barguzins"
    1. sisa29
      sisa29 20 December 2015 17: 38 New
      0
      Thank! Class!
  34. Sirs
    Sirs 20 December 2015 14: 51 New
    0
    You just do not understand the level of corruption !!!
  35. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 20 December 2015 14: 56 New
    +1
    Here is the uro! “Complicated financial situation”, it is always wonderful in the State Duma, two-thirds of parasites at least, officials throughout the country 80% are parasites and thieves, I heard that the Crimean authorities were not satisfied with the government, they saw crumbs from sawing to Crimea, but they didn’t keep silent, Lord, what patience did you award the Russian people!
  36. Old26
    Old26 20 December 2015 15: 07 New
    +4
    Quote: dchegrinec
    It's a pity, but I would like to see how they planned in 2018! But now at 20 so in the 20th, what to do! Maybe it will be technologically a cut above what was planned ..

    A strong opinion is being created that the year 2018 was announced more likely to reassure the internal audience. The work was started in 2012. For 6 years, to carry out outline design, to carry out all stages of design and development work, to release a prototype, to test it is unrealistic. Given that at the end of 2014 the EP was only completed, and the release of the CD is scheduled for mid-2016 .....

    Quote: veksha50
    Quote: Kil 31
    But then at 20 in service there should be several complexes.


    It would be foolish to do such a thing, to put it mildly ... Money thrown away ...
    From the experience of the formation of the first BZHRK, I can say that immediately there are a lot of problems that need to be brought to mind, and now the second, third complexes are already taking into account the claims expressed by the rocket launchers during the pilot combat duty ...
    Well, about six months or a year it will take to “run-in” the head complex ...

    PS There are still a lot of problems that no one mentions that will arise in questions of the movement of complexes on the railway ... Previously, at least there was a unified system of state administration, but now the railway has somewhat different orders ... Yes, and the drivers at the BZHRK have long been stopped releasing, again everything will start from scratch ...

    You are absolutely right, George, saying that releasing several at once is stupidity and wasted money. Before adopting the previous BZHRK, the EMNIP were created and tested FOUR prototypes of the train, one of which ran into about 400-450 thousand kilometers. And this is not one month ...
    Moreover, we must take into account how you correctly stated that you need to solve problems with the railway, train drivers, re-create locomotives (to modernize existing ones for the needs of the complex), cars of the complex, many of which were produced outside of Russia. It is necessary to recreate or tidy up (and most likely both) field start positions. To re-create points of permanent deployment of complexes (which were destroyed and plundered), to re-create military camps (VG disbanded divisions were transferred to local authorities), In short, there is no end to the work. And the main test, not only of a new rocket (judging by the index), but of all the components of the complex. And this is not only MONEY, but unfortunately also TIME.

    Quote: veksha50
    Maybe, in order not to spray money, they will be thrown to Sarmat now, so that in 2016, at least in a small amount, he will be on combat duty ???

    This is very unlikely, George. In 2016, it is planned to start throwing tests, then rocket tests, state tests, then only putting into service. This is unlikely to be done in a year. In addition, you will also have to re-equip the silos under Sarmat. In the meantime, I have not seen such information on the procurement site.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 20 December 2015 15: 39 New
      0
      Quote: Old26
      In addition, it will also have to convert silos under the "Sarmat"



      It seems to me that it’s easier and cheaper to build new ones than to re-equip old ones ... I know how they all robbed in the nth time ...

      But have specialists stayed in Special Construction by this time ???
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 20 December 2015 15: 42 New
      0
      Quote: Old26
      one of which ran into about 400-450 thousand kilometers.



      So even before the "run over" how many months stood in Plesetsk on an experimental-combat duty ...

      So this question is not quickly resolved ... Now we need to collect specialists to the heap, who is left, who has what experience - to unite, filter everything ... there will be many problems, there will be many, and all of them need to be solved ...
  37. Old26
    Old26 20 December 2015 15: 12 New
    0
    Quote: Zomanus
    I won’t be very surprised if we find out
    that the throwing tests took place the following year.
    You must understand that about some things it is better to embellish in the opposite direction.

    Throwing can take place, but if in the middle of the year only the release of CD is planned, then this is hardly realistic in 2016

    Quote: sisa29
    Or maybe in life everything is completely wrong? It was necessary to powder the brains of the United States, they say we are building Barguzin, and we ourselves were developing status 6. Relations with the United States went to the edge, opened the cards, showed the status 6 about the project. The project, the barguzin as a cover, lost its meaning, began to move

    Rather, we powder with Status-6, given the situation in which it became known
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 20 December 2015 15: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      Rather, we powder with Status-6, given the situation in which it became known

      Not a fact ... there are too many vultures in the Belgorod and Khabarovsk submarine project ... it may happen that this is a very real project, which is now under development ...
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 20 December 2015 17: 21 New
        0
        The meaning of Status 6 is to scare, but not to spend money on creation.
  38. lopvlad
    lopvlad 20 December 2015 15: 17 New
    +1
    Why are you so alarmed?
    According to Barguzin, there is nothing but a preliminary design (by the end of 2015 they promise only a technical project). And here not only do you need to make a new rocket, but also push the launcher into a standard refrigerator container together with the rocket and we’ll also have the canvas in our ass so far. So initially, before 2020, the complex would not have been ready with all its efforts.
    Such complexes have been made for decades. At one time, they transferred money from PAK DA (according to which there was nothing besides the technical design) to the production of a real TU-160M2 aircraft and if they didn’t do this, they could get a period in which long-range strategic aviation would be weakened.
  39. lopvlad
    lopvlad 20 December 2015 15: 23 New
    +4
    Quote: AlexTires
    money was spent on the construction of the Yeltsin Center



    to build this center in Russia is the same as if to build a Hitler center in Israel.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 December 2015 17: 24 New
      0
      Yeltsin - the center is just a museum of the 90s, a reminder of what we should not return to.
  40. Ironax
    Ironax 20 December 2015 15: 52 New
    0
    Who knows what this source is. And a shift in the timing of such projects is not a rare thing.
  41. Lumumba
    Lumumba 20 December 2015 16: 00 New
    0
    Yes, don’t trust “unnamed anonymous sources.” Very similar to the stuffing.

    Oh, to prohibit the media from referring to "unnamed sources", but only to specific statements by specific individuals, preferably by mouth. It would immediately become cleaner in the info field.
  42. mamont5
    mamont5 20 December 2015 16: 04 New
    -1
    Quote: AlexTires
    Apparently, all the money went to the construction of the Yeltsin Center .....

    Again "slilisty"!
    http://topwar.ru/88035-znakomtes-russkoyazychnyy-agent-gosdepa.html - читать и перечитывать.

    Quote: Hon
    Well, they’ll shake, the money will still be divided between the same. Berezovsky was shaken, and the assets went to Abramovich and Deripaska


    It concerns you too.
  43. Prince Gvidon
    Prince Gvidon 20 December 2015 17: 04 New
    +1
    It is necessary to borrow at interest from Miller, Sechin and Gref.
    1. cap
      cap 20 December 2015 21: 09 New
      0
      Quote: Prince Guidon
      It is necessary to borrow at interest from Miller, Sechin and Gref.

      True for 500 years at 0% wassat
  44. 3axap82
    3axap82 20 December 2015 17: 06 New
    0
    It would be better to build mine complexes. They are really a retaliatory weapon.
    Missiles fell on our territory, there were nuclear explosions, the mines will survive. And all sorts of mobile complexes will burn. They were good in the era of the USSR when there was parity, we had early warning stations for a missile attack in Cuba and Vietnam. Then we could carry out a retaliatory MEETING strike: take-off missiles — detecting them on take-off — return launch from anywhere in the USSR.
    1. cap
      cap 20 December 2015 21: 16 New
      0
      Quote: 3axap82
      And all sorts of mobile complexes will burn. They were good in the era of the USSR when there was parity, we had early warning stations for a missile attack in Cuba and Vietnam. Then we could carry out a retaliatory MEETING strike: take-off missiles — detecting them on take-off — return launch from anywhere in the USSR.

      And what is worse than submarines that are generally on the “beach” in the cords, or near?
      A "container ship" in the sea. Good in bulk. Let only "rock the boat,"
      ENOUGH FOR ALL!
      1. 3axap82
        3axap82 21 December 2015 12: 23 New
        0
        Submarines, BZDK, "Poplars" carry lighter missiles with lower strike potential and weaker defense against missile defense. Not to mention the shock wave vulnerability.
        Their only advantage is low cost in comparison with mine liquid-fuel ones.
  45. Old26
    Old26 20 December 2015 17: 25 New
    +1
    Quote: veksha50
    It seems to me that it’s easier and cheaper to build new ones than to re-equip old ones ... I know how everyone plundered there in the nth time ... But have any specialists remained in Special Construction by this time ???

    Where he, "Sarmat", will be located - not looted. The division is still in operation, and re-equipping ... So, after all, they are also re-equipping. Both in Kozelskaya with UR-100N UTTH under Yars-M will be converted, and in Yasnenskaya converted silos from R-36M UTTH under 15A35-71 (15Y71).

    Quote: veksha50
    So even before the "run over" how many months stood in Plesetsk on an experimental-combat duty ... So this question is not quickly resolved ...
    Now we need to collect specialists to the heap, who remains, who has what experience - to unite, filter everything ... there will be many problems, a lot, and all of them need to be solved ...

    In addition, given that the RT-23 (15P952) complex was on the OBD, and the RT-23UTTX (15P061) was adopted for service laughing .
    That is, it is foolish to think that in a year or three the Barguzin will be put into service. And whether "Barguzin" will be called .... laughing
  46. Rostislav
    Rostislav 20 December 2015 17: 34 New
    0
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Maybe a couple of governors, like Khoroshavin or Gaiser, should be shaken?
    But would it not be easier to confiscate the property of Serdyukov and Vasilyeva, as well as their former deputies? laughing I think there’s just a few "Barguzins enough."

    One does not exclude the other. It’s not necessary to counter these actions, they will complement each other organically. "It’s a pity that only in theory.
  47. Old26
    Old26 20 December 2015 18: 01 New
    +1
    Quote: 3axap82
    It would be better to build mine complexes.

    Build. Kozelskaya is re-equipped, and in the future, the replacement of VOEVOD by SARMAT.
    PGRK - HZ will burn out or not, but a part, and possibly a large one, will be able to shoot
    1. 3axap82
      3axap82 20 December 2015 18: 18 New
      0
      I am very glad that they are being built. There are also UR-100 and UR-500 have not yet rotted. Although it is possible the UR-500 (PROTON) was used on commercial launches.
  48. evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 20 December 2015 18: 12 New
    0
    Very sorry.
  49. Evgeny Petrovich
    Evgeny Petrovich 20 December 2015 18: 33 New
    +1
    If corruption does not hold even the fifth column, then the delay will be not by a year but by five.
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    2. alfa19638
      alfa19638 20 December 2015 18: 54 New
      +1
      to whom to hold?
  50. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 20 December 2015 20: 26 New
    0
    Let's hope that the GDP with the team has enough forces to put pro-Western shift workers in place and beat the hands of “effective managers”.