Media: Adoption of the complex "Barguzin" deferred to 2020 g

Due to the difficult financial situation in the Russian Federation, the adoption of the Barguzin rail missile complex will take place no earlier than 2020 g, according to Look with reference to tass.

“Due to the difficult financial situation and the budgetary constraints caused by it, the deadlines for work on the creation of Barguzin have been shifted to the right by more than one year. This applies to all phases of work, including development, production and testing. Thus, the creation of a new combat railway missile complex will be completed at best in 2020, ”a source in the defense industry told the agency.

At the end of 2014, the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Sergey Karakayev, stated that "the stage of preliminary design (Barguzin) was completed, the development of design documentation began, which comes with strict observance of the requirements of the approved schedule." According to him, the complex "can be adopted in the 2019 year."

Earlier, the agency, citing a military source, reported that “one regiment of the new generation of BZHRK reconstructed in Russia, the Barguzin, could carry six intercontinental ballistic missiles like Yars or Yars-M.”

Comments

[AlexTires]

Apparently, all the money went to the construction of the Yeltsin Center .....

[Ami du peuple]

Maybe a couple of governors, like Khoroshavin or Gaizer, should be shaken up? And the news is really bad. Still, our BZHRK, that the decommissioned "Well done", that the promising "Barguzin" is a very worthy weapon of nuclear deterrence .. It is sad, and very

[Hon]

Well, they’ll shake, the money will still be divided between the same. Berezovsky was shaken, and the assets went to Abramovich and Deripaska

[crazyrom]

And I think this is just the enemies calm, in fact, everything goes according to plan.

[Vorobey-1]

but for me, a lot is said so to speak - to "divert the eyes."
In my opinion, most of the information of a military nature (and not only) does not correspond to the actual or is strongly distorted.
Maybe they are already skating, or maybe they will certainly be known, only a certain circle of people is aware of this.
for example: Nuclear submarine pr.941 Shark - a lot of noise: everyone sawed, outdated, rotted, etc. , and it is exactly so ?!

[Yuriy3005]

about 941 so exactly. So far only Dmitry Donskoy has remained in service as a test boat for testing new solutions and weapons. The rest will definitely be recycled, there are no missiles for them, and the reconstruction and modernization of the Bulava for one Auula will cost almost as much as the new Borei + no production capacity. All northern factories are overloaded with construction and modernization.

[Poppy]

because it’s not necessary to shake, but to plant, but it’s better to shoot

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Maybe a couple of governors, like Khoroshavin or Gaiser, should be shaken?

But would it not be easier to confiscate the property of Serdyukov and Vasilyeva, as well as their former deputies? I think there is just enough for a few "Barguzins".

[Rom14]

If we have to shake All the thieves in Russia, more than one deterrence device is enough ...

[Baikal]

Moreover, the "Buran" will be launched again for delivery

[bannik]

And I, here, did not understand: do we need dollars to create "Barguzins"? How many trillions of rubles have we "hung up", is that not enough?

[Glukashin]

You see, it takes a lot of work to produce such complexes, and you have to pay for it. People will get a salary, and whoever grabs too much will go to the store to buy all kinds of televisions, iPhone, mafinok, etc., and this, alas, is being brought from dollars abroad. And rubles are not a problem, they can be printed at least a trillion.

[bannik]

If weaving bast shoes, then yes, no less labor is needed, but more people (workers) are needed.
And on this issue - there are mobile installations. "Putting" them in a car is not a big problem, there is experience. What they say about the fact that the railway tracks will not stand up, they carried loads and more. Distribute the load from one platform to three - like two fingers on the asphalt (and no enemy will notice it).
And all this is very cheap (relative to other options)! Do you need them?

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Baikal

Moreover, the "Buran" will be launched again for delivery

Take it higher, dear - we can colonize all of Mars for this money.

[asiat_61]

I liked the change.

[In search]

The "Guarantor" made it clear at this conference that these "people" and their bio-waste are not subject to jurisdiction.

[Antanas]

Druzhbanov Putin's? This is extremism.

[Sergey S.]

Due to the difficult financial situation in the Russian Federation, the adoption of the Barguzin rail missile complex will take place no earlier than 2020 g, according to Vzglyad, citing TASS.

Interestingly, and V.V. Does Putin know about this?
Or is this another initiative from above from financiers and economists and from below from chief managers who didn’t spend money in a targeted way ... Or rather, in an extremely targeted way, acting as the very goals ...

Or in those missiles again planned ukroelement ???

Or is the situation even dumber? We thought we’ll talk and calm down, who supposedly needs these missiles in our global peaceful world?

Shake is necessary. Better immediately through the FSB. And ask by the laws of war. And without waiting for 2019
And shake it now so that the performers themselves want to pass it through 1 a year. It is normal to serve in 3 shifts seven days a week.
But it is necessary to SERVE THE HOMELAND, and not to coven, excuse me, work ...
And the chiefs who do not know how to serve the motherland must be driven by a filthy broom to polar bears or to desert cobras.

[anfil]

With Sergei
Shake is necessary. Better immediately through the FSB. And ask by the laws of war. And without waiting for 2019
And shake it now so that the performers themselves want to pass it through 1 a year. It is normal to serve in 3 shifts seven days a week.

[g1v2]

There are priorities, primary importance, secondary and Wishlist. Barguzin is of secondary importance, the aircraft carrier is Wishlist. Therefore, Barguzin and shift that there are much more important things. For example, the same sector 6 generally casts doubt on the need for bjrk. And both submarines for status 6 are being built for themselves and I can not hear about the shelving.
Well, I’ll try to explain a simple thought to the children. 1 million dollars is money for which a person can live his whole life; for the state, these are half-missiles or 2-3 salvos of a PSO. Incidentally, no confiscation of an aircraft carrier can be built. These are just different numbers.

[Hon]

More important things, is it double the salaries of deputies?

[dmi.pris1]

But this is a priority .... It’s all Kremlin’s, untouchable (like the Vasilyevs, Serdyukovs, etc.) .. There are hundreds of them, and thousands with their families .. And with infinite arrogance and permissiveness, millions. There’s not enough budget, and it is useless to appeal to Putin .. This is a SYSTEM, and the raven will not peck out the raven’s eye ...

Quote: Hon

More important things, is it double the salaries of deputies?

[bannik]

These "hundreds" and "thousands" have children and grandchildren, movable and immovable where these "Barguzins" will be aimed. Do they need it?
PS: I won’t say anything about the children of Vasilyeva and Serdyukov, although everything is still possible.

[sergo42]

1 million dollars is money for which a person can live his whole life, for most of our hucksters this amount will not be enough for six months! Again -10 old women, already a ruble! And we have a huckster full.

[beer-youk]

1 million dollars is money for which a person can live his whole life; for the state, these are half-missiles or 2-3 salvos of a PSO. [quote = g1v2]

And for the manager of the state corporation, half the monthly bonus!

[bannik]

2-3 divisional volleys BM-21, and maybe more. And depending on which half the rocket.

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: g1v2

There are priorities, primary importance, secondary and Wishlist.

As I understand it, the first priority is to hold the World Cup, and the defense will wait.
Let's do the World Cup, obos let’s take a look at it in the face of our bent-legged national team, a budget saw, and then .. defense, agricultural industry.

[bannik]

It seems that it was not in vain that your mother told you: do not learn arithmetic, do not play Fantomas - play football, but you did not listen to it!

[Moore]

Quote: g1v2

There are priorities, primary importance, secondary and Wishlist.

Absolutely agree. Taking into account, as the guarantor put it, financing of the operation in Syria within the framework of the budget of the Defense Ministry, it cannot be otherwise. Development of TD, of course, is not the most financially intensive process, but it also pulls its money.
The only thing is, against the background of completely sane actions to maneuver finances, the fuss of "servants of the people" to raise themselves, loved ones, salary and other cute fun of the figures making up the notorious Vertical looks wild ...

[veksha50]

Quote: Sergey S.

It is normal to serve in 3 shifts and without days off

And this, by the way, is one of the options in such a difficult time ... Not until the weekend now, when it is taxed from all sides ...

[Inok10]

Quote: veksha50

And this, by the way, is one of the options in such a difficult time ... Not until the weekend now, when it is taxed from all sides ...

.. absolutely true .. quote from V.V. Putin ..

VLADIVOSTOK, December 20 - RIA Novosti. Russian President Vladimir Putin believes that the "new political nouveau riches" on the international arena "have lost their sense of reality," but, according to the Russian leader, this situation will not last long.
“Today we see what we see. But now I wanted to say something else. It seems to me that our new political nouveau riches have lost their sense of reality. They did not even realize that irreversible processes had begun inside their own world. stand at attention, this does not mean that it will be like this forever, because there are some countries and peoples who will never put up with a secondary role within themselves, with the role of an occupied country or a vassal of some kind. And I think it will be fast enough, "Putin said.
РИА Новости http://ria.ru/politics/20151220/1345640855.html#ixzz3urgh3s82

.. probably understandable enough ..

[In search]

"I wonder if Vladimir Putin knows about this?"

Or maybe it's time to finally realize that there are WE, and there are "UNTouched", and the "guarantor" will never give them up. What he spoke openly about.

[Inok10]

Quote: In search

Or maybe it's time to finally realize that there are WE, and there are "UNTouched", and the "guarantor" will never give them up. What he spoke openly about.

.. ah-ha-ha .. is it about those to whom it is disgusting to touch? .. well, yes, the Russian "Elusive Joes" .. no one needs it .. don’t be so embarrassed, you’ll earn a hernia, tea is not. A pregnant lady during childbirth ..

[vorobey]

Quote: AlexTires

AlexTires

Quote: Ami du peuple

Ami du peuple

Quote: Hon

Hon

Quote: Misha Honest

Misha Honest

Quote: vovanpain

vovanpain

gentlemen ... expected reaction ... or maybe we calm down and put the "partners" to sleep?

[Misha Honest]

Quote: vorobey

gentlemen ... expected reaction ... or maybe we calm down and put the "partners" to sleep?

Do you believe in it yourself?

[AndreyS]

Quote: Misha Honest

Quote: vorobey
gentlemen ... expected reaction ... or maybe we calm down and put the "partners" to sleep?

Do you believe in it yourself? no

And how! Judging by the reaction of the forum users, the direction is right !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Misha Honest]

AndreyS
In my opinion, it’s the other way around ... They minus the article, just because everyone got such an excuse from those in power as there is no money! You look at the cottages of officials on Rublevka, in Barvikha, Zhukovka and Nikolina Gora! Medieval castles are easy! The Yeltsin family on Nikolina Gora has such a giant red brick fence in the form of the Kremlin wall ... PPC, while they say that there is no money ...

[tissot72]

Here, as it were necessary to separate the flies from the cutlets, we were told about this more than once by everyone, including the sun-like one: those who are behind the red brick fences are one thing, and those who are behind the net are the netting (or none at all with what) is another !!!
They have an annual income of 3 lyamas - the fence is red, you have the same income - the fence is transparent, but you don’t have a wife who only officially reports 700 taxyamy tax a year (well, like some deputy prime ministers) ???
Therefore, we sit on the rail exactly, it says from above: you need to lean on your shoulder and tighten your belts, GO FORWARD !!! To a brighter future ...

[vorobey]

Quote: Misha Honest

Do you believe in it yourself?

in our life there is even something that in principle does not happen. so I won’t be surprised if it pops up unexpectedly and travels around the country ahead of schedule .... and let the Amer’s satellites catch the flare of the launches and scratch their turnips ... we are all ... torn to shreds ...

[Sirocco]

Quote: Misha Honest

Do you believe in it yourself?

Since when, has information relating to state secrets been discussed and published in the media and on the Internet?
I can say about this duck. So. To live with wolves howl like a wolf.
I think we are not so naive as to believe in all sorts of kaolitsii and partnerships? Russia has already passed a similar lie at the beginning of the last century. The entire "civilized" West swore an oath of love and devotion. As a result, we got the Second World War.

[Hon]

Now Putin is demonstrating strength in Syria and constantly taunting "partners" with flights of strategic missile carriers near their borders. Against this background, it is doubtful that there is a goal to reassure anyone

[Dryuya2]

Quote: Hon

Now Putin is demonstrating strength in Syria and constantly taunting "partners" with strategic missile carrier flights near their borders.

and this is how you ???
Assad will fly to Iran under the protection of Russian fighters
Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s plane will be accompanied by four Russian fighters during his visit to Iran. According to the Lebanese publication Al-Diyar, the aviation command of the international coalition led by the United States is aware of this. The coalition received a warning so that its forces would not approach Assad’s plane to avoid a collision. According to the media, the route of the head of Syria will go through Iraq.
Earlier, media reported that Bashar al-Assad could visit Tehran in late December or early January, but until now the information has not received confirmation.

Read more: https://eadaily.com/news/2015/12/20/asad-poletit-s-vizitom-v-iran-pod-ohranoy-ro


ssiyskih-istrebiteley

[dauria]

or maybe we calm and lull the "partners"?

We believe, we do not believe the site and NTV, but there is intelligence from the "partners"

[vorobey]

Quote: dauria

or maybe we calm and lull the "partners"?

We believe, we do not believe the site and NTV, but there is intelligence from the "partners"

toda oh ... that's right such messages via tweeter need ...

[Inok10]

Quote: vorobey

toda oh ... that's right such messages via tweeter need ...

.. Rogozin realized that they don’t understand through tweeter .. went to the shooting gallery to show, maybe then it will come ..

[vovanpain]

Quote: AlexTires

Apparently, all the money went to the construction of the Yeltsin Center .....

Sadly, mattresses rejoice fie.

[H - ck 61]

Scalpel as a Ghost wandering in RUSSIA

[max702]

Regarding the money, I recall in the month of August this year, we acquired US securities 21.5 billion \ dollars .. This money would be enough for 2000 valves (5mln \ dollars * 2000 = 10bn / dollars)As well as 200 Су-35 (55*200=11млрд\долл) ... And that's just the August purchase! In total, now there are 70 billion dollars in green candy wrappers officially, but how much else in other "reliable" and "profitable" assets is difficult to say.So the country has money! The question is who and how disposes of them ..

[DobryAAH]

Suggest what to invest in? We can’t accelerate sharply in either Armata or SU-35. It’s like a paid medicine: how much money you don’t give, but anyway they will be treated according to their knowledge and skills. So what tools to put in a lot of earned money? And to get them out of there quickly.

[vorobey]

Quote: max702

Regarding the money, I recall in the month of August this year, we acquired US securities 21.5 billion \ dollars .. This money would be enough for 2000 valves (5mln \ dollars * 2000 = 10bn / dollars)As well as 200 Су-35 (55*200=11млрд\долл) ... And that's just the August purchase! In total, now there are 70 billion dollars in green candy wrappers officially, but how much else in other "reliable" and "profitable" assets is difficult to say.So the country has money! The question is who and how disposes of them ..

A good post and a sore subject ...

http://rusrand.ru/events/vlozhenija-v-gosobligatsii-ssha-kak-indikator-politiche
skih-protsessov

and why do you say that over the course of 14 years, more than a hundred yards of ours have been withdrawn from the papers of the Fed .. I do not understand..

[bannik]

Then the question: why introduced?

[I am Russian]

As for the money, let me remind you that in August of this year we purchased US securities worth $ 21.5 billion. This money would be enough for 2000 armatures (5 million / $ * 2000 = 10 billion / $), as well as 200 Su-35 (55 * 200 = 11billion / USD). And that's just the August purchase! In total, 70 billion dollars are officially in green candy wrappers now, how much else in other "reliable" and "profitable" assets it is difficult to say .. So the country has money! The question is who manages them and how ..

Russia does not have its own financial system; the US Federal Reserve through its branch (CBR) lends to Russia at 8% per annum. The Russian ruble is secured mainly by debt securities of the US Treasury, which the Russian Federation buys for currency, so Russia cannot help but sell its natural resources. The ruble exchange rate depends on the dollar earned in the foreign market. This is the absolute status of the colony, unfortunately.

[Haettenschweiler]

Quote: I-Russian

Russia does not have its own financial system; the US Federal Reserve through its branch (CBR) lends to Russia at 8% per annum. The Russian ruble is secured mainly by debt securities of the US Treasury, which the Russian Federation buys for currency, so Russia cannot help but sell its natural resources. The ruble exchange rate depends on the dollar earned in the foreign market. This is the absolute status of the colony, unfortunately.

- All this is very easy to understand, and, unfortunately, is absolutely out of sight of the overwhelming majority of our fellow citizens. That is why they look with such indignation at the US foreign debt and wait for the financial bubble to burst. And it will never burst, because it was originally conceived like this. China earned my deep respect when it moved its national currency into the international basket. Thus, he pulled his money out of the US Federal Reserve's zone of control. If the Russians, receiving one dollar, pay for printing two at once, then China is no longer playing this game. And we have absolutely no chances to do the same - even if we do not take into account the insignificant in comparison with the Chinese economy, all the same, too big uncles in jackets are tied in currency games who sit in the Kremlin and the environs who will never "get rid of" the dollar will not be allowed.

[vorobey]

Quote: I-Russian

This is the absolute status of the colony, unfortunately.

and the largest colony in the USA then China turns out ... 20% is stored in US papers

[I am Russian]

Quote: vorobey

Quote: I-Russian

This is the absolute status of the colony, unfortunately.

and the largest colony in the USA then China turns out ... 20% is stored in US papers

The Chinese yuan is the same derivative of the SGA dollar as the Russian ruble. But they have slightly different conditions.

[vorobey]

Quote: I-Russian

The Chinese yuan is the same derivative of the SGA dollar as the Russian ruble.

Well, agree that securities are not bought or sold for RMB or rubles ... and foreign exchange earnings are needed .. and these derivatives (Fed stocks and not RMB or rubles) can be held to secure the risks of not receiving currency ..

[Pirogov]

Yes, but you forgot to say that US toilet paper is more important for someone! Question for whom?

[I am Russian]

Quote: Pirogov

Yes, but you forgot to say that US toilet paper is more important for someone! Question for whom?

For those who created the Bretton Woods financial system. The conference laid the foundation for organizations such as the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development (IBRD) and the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

Dollarization of the economies of several countries, which led to the withdrawal of the money supply from under national control and its transfer to the control of the Federal Reserve System.

The USSR signed the agreement, but I.V. Stalin did not ratify it.

[chunga-changa]

Quote: max702

we purchased securities

We ...) Every normal Russian keeps his savings in dollars. So the leadership of the Russians also keeps their savings in dollars, the scale is really different, but they also have different opportunities. Incl. you this "we" forget, this is theirs, it has already been brought abroad and laundered. As soon as it starts, all this money will be scattered across the accounts and the strings of billionaires will be scattered back to their homeland, across England-America-Israel. The same simple maneuver at one time was carried out with the so-called. "the gold of the party", which was, and then "went somewhere."

[cap]

Quote: max702

In total, 70 billion dollars are officially in green candy wrappers now, how much else in other "reliable" and "profitable" assets it is difficult to say .. So the country has money! The question is who manages them and how ..

Therefore, set

[Haettenschweiler]

Quote: AlexTires

Apparently, all the money went to the construction of the Yeltsin Center .....

- As well as the "Power of Siberia", "Turkish Stream", "South Stream" (a little earlier), assistance to Syria, of course, Skolkovo and lending to nanotolia from its "Rosnano", purchase of 90 billion US "securities", increase 3 billion in expenditures for the maintenance of officials, the long-term construction of the "Vostochny" cosmodrome (the royal feast of "sawmen" from the budget), preparations for the 2018 World Cup (no less a royal feast for private contractors and government officials), and much, much more.

[Sergey S.]

Quote: Haettenschweiler

As well as "Forces of Siberia", "Turkish Stream", "South Stream" (a little earlier), assistance to Syria

About these projects so viciously is not necessary, it at least makes some sense.

And help to Syria is generally our pass to paradise.

Although the throwing of streams across the Black Sea looks somehow stupid and senseless - each new version is worse than the old one. It was necessary to immediately abandon these projects, and on their territory it was stupid to water the pipe with sulfuric acid until it rotted under the influence of the "environment" ... and to repair it endlessly ...

It’s clear. that it is not profitable to trade with the geyropeytsy - and it’s just silly to execute contracts with a podhodovka. Declare force majeure and break contracts.

Officials and oligofrechs will be upset, but they already have it to the eyeballs, and ordinary people can’t stop working ... We will feed ourselves. You look and friable potatoes will appear in stores, and cabbage will be fermented again.

But Power of Siberia, as far as I know, is a promising project ...

[Haettenschweiler]

Quote: Sergey S.

About these projects so viciously is not necessary, it at least makes some sense.

- The meaning is yes. Implementation - at our expense !!! It turns out that these projects are needed only and exclusively by us?

Quote: Sergey S.

Officials and oligophres upset

- That would be someone else who undertook to grieve them for real and confiscate all the wrongly acquired in favor of the budget. Although ... confiscation in favor of the budget is the same as picking up and giving back, unfortunately. We need a "financial inquisition". With real fiery inquisitors at their head. Or, more Russian version, oprichnina. So far there is no real control over the spending of earmarked funds - the budget will remain "full of holes", whatever the oil price may be.

Quote: Sergey S.

But Power of Siberia, as far as I know, is a promising project ...

- But China, with the construction of the pipe, "threw" us not childishly.

[Vadim237]

Everything is there for the money of China - the one that did not throw us.

[Haettenschweiler]

Quote: Vadim237

Everything is there for the money of China - the one that did not throw us.

The construction of the Power of Siberia gas pipeline will cost 770 billion rubles. This was reported in a release prepared for the ceremony of connecting the first link of the pipeline. The event will be held on Monday in Yakutia with the participation of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

http://www.kp.ru/online/news/1831945/

- More questions will be?

[Vadim237]

In general, this construction is carried out with the money of China and co-investors, and indeed, that we consider other people's money - if I am part of this project, then only as a shareholder of Gazprom.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Haettenschweiler

- As well as the "Power of Siberia", "Turkish Stream", "South Stream" (a little earlier), assistance to Syria, of course, Skolkovo and lending to nanotolia from its "Rosnano", purchase of 90 billion US "securities", increase 3 billion in expenditures for the maintenance of officials, the long-term construction of the "Vostochny" cosmodrome (the royal feast of "sawmen" from the budget), preparations for the 2018 World Cup (no less a royal feast for private contractors and government officials), and much, much more.

Perhaps, but I think that the "barguzins" are made in spite of everything, by separate funding. IMHO.

[fzr1000]

I also think so, especially since the article speaks about the period of adoption for service, and this does not always coincide with the appearance of "hardware".

[da Vinci]

It's time to lay with Merdyukov-the elite-office.

[egor670]

current oligarchs are very grateful to Yeltsin

[Egor123]

For the sake of the defense industry, you can save on anything, even at schools, at least at kindergartens, I'm not talking about our deputies and other "radishes" because if there is no defense, then there will be no country.
Why is all this necessary if there is nothing to protect the country and it can be captured at any moment?

[Skif83]

As for the money you need to ask with a predilection for all the Gaidar lasts, and only the stool with his clique especially.
Another question, why ... it was necessary to destroy what was on the database?
And why did they destroy the Project 949A Antey nuclear submarine, of which 5 remained in service, 3 are under repair and modernization, the Kursk died (but rather destroyed, the story is dark). But each of these nuclear submarines opposed the aircraft carrier groupings of "partners", the USA has 11 of them, i.e. we have a shortage !?
And not only the nuclear submarine was merged into "timelessness" ...

[mihasik]

Quote: AlexTires

Apparently, all the money for the construction of the Yeltsin Center .....

Another God, now liberal generations. The only strange thing is that the rest of the general secretaries did not have mausoleums, otherwise Red Square would resemble a cemetery of Egyptian pyramids! And now there is a modern mausoleum to the First Alkash on a global scale, which drank the largest country in the world! Guinness is resting! Russia again bypassed everyone by insanity! Bravo, modern Russia-Yeltsin is your Hero?))

[NIKNN]

Afflicted. I hope there is indeed something more important and no less effective that you can’t put off

[kil 31]

Due to the difficult financial situation in the Russian Federation adoption Barguzin railway missile system will be held no earlier than 2020

I would like to clarify this question. This is for a beautiful word, that would not greatly resent? Or the truth, and not about building and then testing. If, as it is written, then I do not mind. But then at 20 in service there should be several complexes.

[AlexTires]

By 20, it seemed that it was planned to have a full division of five regiments ...

[veksha50]

Quote: keel 31

But then at 20 in service there should be several complexes.

It would be foolish to do such a thing, to put it mildly ... Money thrown away ...

From the experience of the formation of the first BZHRK, I can say that immediately there are a lot of problems that need to be brought to mind, and now the second, third complexes are already taking into account the claims expressed by the rocket launchers during the pilot combat duty ...

Well, it will take about six months or a year to "run in" the head complex ...

PS There are still a lot of problems that no one mentions that will arise in questions of the movement of complexes on the railway ... Previously, at least there was a unified system of state administration, but now the railway has somewhat different orders ... Yes, and the drivers at the BZHRK have long been stopped releasing, again everything will start from scratch ...

[kil 31]

Quote: veksha50

Quote: keel 31

But then at 20 in service there should be several complexes.

It would be foolish to do such a thing, to put it mildly ... Money thrown away ...

From the experience of the formation of the first BZHRK, I can say that immediately there are a lot of problems that need to be brought to mind, and now the second, third complexes are already taking into account the claims expressed by the rocket launchers during the pilot combat duty ...

Well, it will take about six months or a year to "run in" the head complex ...

PS There are still a lot of problems that no one mentions that will arise in questions of the movement of complexes on the railway ... Previously, at least there was a unified system of state administration, but now the railway has somewhat different orders ... Yes, and the drivers at the BZHRK have long been stopped releasing, again everything will start from scratch ...

George. As for the railways, I agree on one thing. There were problems with the paths. They did not go, as told and implied. Rarely which branch stood it. Let them prepare and strengthen by 20 that route on which he will walk. If they write that will be adopted. Then by this time they should strengthen the branches for the movement and make dead ends for it, as well as the entire service team.

[STALK1974]

The deadlock stations have not disappeared, they are there, and it’s necessary to train the drivers for 10 months (on the basis of railway technical schools). And the rail-sleeper grid has been replaced with concrete sleepers and R-65 rails. But the maintenance points are abandoned. Take PTO 10- th guards division near Kostroma. Everything is looted, buildings and structures are disassembled, come into a salvage condition and destroyed, railways are dismantled. This infrastructure will be difficult to restore.

[veksha50]

Quote: STALK1974

It will be difficult to restore this infrastructure.

I’ll unveil a little secret of another complexity of the maintenance of the Kostroma division ... It was built in the sprint race, felled the ship’s forest (we already groaned with pity), dung the soil from above, and the Kostroma soils were purely swamp-sousaninsky ... So in a year or two there were also enough problems with this soil ...

Although it would probably be cheaper to restore the BZHRK DPS, starting exactly from Kostroma ... And all plans and routes should be lifted from the archives, while there is time - to travel around, explore what is needed - fix-repair, especially long-standing parking lots probably dragged away ...

[goblin xnumx]

literate easier to build new ones - than to disassemble clean and build on a previously illuminated place

[veksha50]

Quote: Leshy74

literate easier to build new ones - than to disassemble clean and build on a previously illuminated place

So PPD - at least new, even old - can not be hidden ... So there is no difference ...

[veksha50]

Quote: keel 31

There were problems with the paths.

This is not a problem ...

At that time, we first encountered the problems of joining the rules for the operation of heavy trains and the system of alert duty ... It began with the fact that in civilian life, each driver knows his section of the track and "walks" only along it back and forth after passing the appropriate permits ...

And with us, the BZHRK went on a "round the world" voyage for a month, three shifts of drivers, as well as control calculations ... The shoulders were huge ... Plus, there was a discrepancy in the time of the possibility of finding the BZHRK driver (he, like the members of the crew, had to serve -control: 8 hours - "behind the wheel", 8 hours - rest, etc.), while Russian Railways have different rules ... And according to their rules, our drivers are kamikaze - well, you can't drive a diesel train for 8 hours -the locomotive !!! Plus - we break the traffic-timetable of civilian trains ...

In general, God forbid, we thought of it and already found all the old people both from the BZHRK and from the Russian Railways who were involved in resolving these issues ...

Now, just now, once the time of entering Barguzin’s armament has been postponed, these issues need to be decided in advance ...

In general, many organizational and technical difficulties and problems surfaced at the stage of formation ... And when everything began to work like a clock - came kirdyk ...

[goblin xnumx]

now the load is not the same - the train is much smaller and freight and passenger - the window is easier to find

[STALK1974]

Previously, the drivers were released at the 9th All-Russian Central High School of Railway in Petrodvorets, but now, in my opinion, they have disbanded.

[Coconut Tima]

Quote: NIKNN

I hope there is indeed something more important and no less effective that you can’t postpone the request

Of course have ! Transportation of the seats of the servants of the people. Federal executive authorities, according to the Ministry of Finance for the 2014 (crisis) year, use more than 55 thousand of their own and rented cars to transport officials. The monthly cost of maintaining one car, excluding the driver’s salary, is at least 17 thousand rubles or more, depending on the class of the car. The cost of maintaining an official fleet of officials last year exceeded 11 billion rubles, not counting the acquisition of new cars - the Ministry of Finance does not provide data on their purchases and does not offer savings on them.

[STALK1974]

We had a scandal two weeks ago. Infa leaked out that in order to ensure the rural population census, the regional administration of Rosstat decided to buy a-m for 2 million rubles (air conditioning, leather interior, multimedia, etc., in general on full "minced meat") to carry the extras around the villages. After the scandal, they seemed to calm down.

[kil 31]

Quote: STALK1974

We had a scandal two weeks ago. Infa leaked out that in order to ensure the rural population census, the regional administration of Rosstat decided to buy a-m for 2 million rubles (air conditioning, leather interior, multimedia, etc., in general on full "minced meat") to carry the extras around the villages. After the scandal, they seemed to calm down.

You did the right thing. Banana them ... Let them put on rubber boots and walk around the village.

[goblin xnumx]

and do you think if they would have bought the census tellers on it, they would have really carried it around? The ordinary men would have wandered around in the boots and the machine was used as it was intended — in the personal guide and after a couple of years to be written off at a ridiculous price

[creak]

Quote: Tim Coconuts

The Ministry of Finance does not provide data on their purchases and does not offer savings on them.

And why save on official cars. when there are pensioners who are not even sure that there will be money for indexation laid down by federal law .. There are nurses with a salary of 8-9 thousand - there are other categories of the population who save and will save ..
But at the sacred (service cars - by their number we have a confident world championship)), you cannot swing a swing, as they said in the "good old days" - this can lead you far, by doing this you pour water on you know whose mill ...

[Dryuya2]

Quote: vovanpain

Sadly

Quote: NIKNN

Afflicted

for the mood

[kil 31]

Today I looked at the star. There was one question. If an uninhabited fighting compartment, why the hell an ejector.

[iva276]

It’s too early to worry - it’s still necessary to create it .. Until we have decided what to equip: it’s possible, but it can. From a conceptual design to technology, oh, how close it is ..

[veksha50]

Quote: NIKNN

Afflicted. I hope there is indeed something more important and no less effective that you can’t put off

I now thought that the Commander of the Strategic Missile Forces said that the R&D work on Sarmatia was completed ... The project is very expensive and time-consuming, but powerful ... But on Barguzin, only mock-up works were completed ...

Maybe, in order not to spray money, they will be thrown to Sarmat now, so that in 2016, at least in a small amount, he will be on combat duty ???

[askort154]

We will postpone "Barguzin", but we will build the eleventh Moscow ring road!

[NEXUS]

Quote: askort154

We will postpone "Barguzin", but we will build the eleventh Moscow ring road!

The deadlines can still change many times and not necessarily to the right, but also to the left. It is clearly said that the problem is financing, and we always, either let it be, or a lot ... One thing is good for everyone, this work is being carried out, despite even lack of money.

[tolancop]

We need both "Barguzin" and the Central Ring Road. But it is not necessary to compare them - they are completely different and budget items and methods of financing .. IMHO, it is more likely that it was decided to spend the available funds on fine-tuning the samples "at the exit." If so, then this is a completely reasonable decision: it is better to have one finished and put into service and operation of the sample, plus a solid groundwork differently than 2 "raw" ones.

By the way, financing of the Central Ring Road is being considered not only at the state expense, but also at the expense of private traders. And it's not bad, IMHO.

[Vadim237]

Not critical, Russia has a lot of excellent ICBMs in service.

[alekc73]

Not ready okay. Money is not enough clear. The main thing is that the project is not thrown into the basket.

[Alexander_]

In wartime, there is enough money for arming.

[dyksi]

I agree, because "Barguzin" is a weapon of deterring "hot heads" behind a big puddle, they fear it no less than our submarine missile carriers and here on you, a hook with mattress mats is knocking on the door, and our next military program was pushed over 20. ... years. Sheer peacefulness, while we are surrounded from all sides.

[Vadim237]

But who is lining us there - Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, Georgia - the "most terrible" force on the continent - the first batch that will be instantly thrown to the mercy of fate.

[dchegrinec]

It's a pity, but I would like to see how they planned in 2018! But now at 20 so in the 20th, what to do! Maybe it will be technologically a cut above what was planned ..

[PN]

By the way, it’s quite possible. This project has been postponed, but the same electronics may well develop.

[barclay]

Sad but not critical. If only over time the movement "to the right" does not continue.

[captain]

It’s bad, but still joyful in my soul that we are creating new complexes. It is only a pity that the old are so thoughtlessly destroyed. A lot of bad and different things were written about Gorbachev. Perhaps no one has done so much damage to our state, except that Hitler didn’t even destroy Russia .. All the same, Lenin was wrong that a cook could rule the state in Russia. In England, Thatcher (who began her career as a dishwasher in a bar) was able to, but in Russia, the assistant combine operator could not.

[avt]

Quote: captain

Poorly,

What is wrong ?? What is the new "Borei A" pledged and money is really not enough for everything at once and by the 20th year of release ?? They shifted the terms to the right, not only for this project. The cosmodrome also moved to the right.

Quote: captain

All the same, Lenin was wrong that a cook could rule the state in Russia.

Lenin, or Trotsky? Or maybe even -B. V. Mayakovsky in the poem "Vladimir Ilyich Lenin":
Tablecloth Track!
,, We and the cook
every
learn
to manage the state! "That is, again, if more specifically - to manage the state, or, we must give such an amount of knowledge that every cook could run the state"? Again, for some reason today, everyone says in unison that the founders did not say that at all. Well, what if, according to V. I. Lenin, in his well-known work "Will the Bolsheviks Retain State Power" (v. 34, p. 315)

We are not utopians. We know that any laborer and any cook are not capable of immediately taking control of the state. In this we agree with the Cadets, and with Breshkovskaya, and with Tsereteli. But we differ from these citizens in that we demand an immediate break with the prejudice that it is to run the state, to carry out the everyday, daily work of the administration, only rich or from wealthy families officials can take. We demand that training in public administration be given by conscious workers and soldiers, and that it begin immediately, that is, all workers, the whole poor, are immediately involved in this training.

[max2215]

A cook may not be able to, but the current state of the economy says that no brother, even in the past, can rule the state for sure. They took power from 90, settled down, but how rotten inside was left, that's all only to myself and my .....

[avt]

Quote: max2215

A cook may not be able to,

When, finally, learn to read everything and highlight the meaning that is laid down by the author, and not what is seen with some kind of fright! Even Mayakovsky’s key word is LEARNING to govern the state, while Lenin’s

Quote: avt

we demand an immediate break with the prejudice that it is to rule the state, to carry out the everyday, daily work of the administration in the state of only wealthy officials or taken from wealthy families.

Or do you think of yourself from the "noble Don", as many of the present, who rushed to seek the "aristocratic" past in themselves, with genetically transmitted knowledge of everything and everyone? The same Lenin demanded

We demand that training in public administration be given by conscious workers and soldiers, and that it begin immediately, that is, all workers, the whole poor, immediately begin to be involved in this training.

Do you hear? TO TRAIN ALL OUTSIDE, ALL THE POOR. And not to arrange a caste of "managers" - hereditary managers. That is, in fact - to create a social lift.

[AlexTires]

Gorbachev had nothing to do with it, Yeltsin signed the START 2 treaty, and Russia could not have disposed of them (although there were other treaties under the START), because by that time (2003 — 2007 year) it had left the treaty back in the 2002 year ... so here enough guilty ..

[avva2012]

Gorbachev has nothing to do with it,
Gorbachev, everywhere. And, the fact that Yeltsin turned from a middle-ranking official into a president, Gorbachev had a hand in the same. This TV-labeled, everywhere and everything destroyed, to which I could reach. Mysticalsome kind of sv!

[Shark Lover]

He secured a pension. In general, the paradox, the first people, after retirement, live abroad. Apparently he was not sickly dumped for the destruction of the USSR (assistance in the destruction) This also applies to depupeds, all sorts of members, etc. I remember I couldn’t go abroad for five years, I had access to secrets)))

[ksan]

Perhaps no one has done so much harm to our state, except that Hitler didn’t even destroy Russia. All the same, Lenin was wrong that a cook could rule the state in Russia.

These words are taken out of context. Lenin wrote an article about the importance of universal education of the population and that if you learn the cook accordingly, then she will be able to run the state. And the fact that the "educated" collective farmer Gorbachev would come and destroy HIS brainchild almost at the peak of his power is HE and in a nightmare he could not foresee. Interestingly, HE did not turn over in the Mausoleum.

[Sergey S.]

Quote: captain

All the same, Lenin was wrong,

All our troubles come from that. that idle talk "Lenin is not right", while Lenin was not read, we are not reading and we are not going to read at all, neither Lenin, nor Marx, nor even "What is good and what is bad" ...

A. V.I. Lenin was right in almost every word.

But here the verbal truth becomes the truth of life only after hard work.
Kaplan shot Lenin with poison with the full understanding that without him the plan could not be accomplished ...

Written not against I.V. Stalin.
This is to ensure that the influence of the individual at certain points in history is very important.
And if V.I. were alive Lenin, we could count on a real revolution throughout Europe (without Britain).
Who does not know - The command of the ships of the interventionists quickly campaigned under the red banners.
And the Entente was crushed not by the power of drafts and machine guns, but by the propaganda of EQUALITY, JUSTICE, FELLOWSHIP.

[STALK1974]

BZHRK poher Boris Pyany.

[onix757]

Quote: STALK1974

BZHRK poher Boris Pyany.

In general, they were removed from combat duty under Putin

[STALK1974]

And the agreement with the USA was signed by EBN.

[onix757]

And the agreement with the USA was signed by EBN.

Yes, the tragedy of our government (in addition to all others) lies in the fact that it is ready to fulfill any criminal treaty where others would fuck. I understand that EBN and GDP have continuity, but it’s not the same anti-state.

[Private27]

Let the mendel with the companion shake the money and everything will be fine. In the extreme case, they will ask the Guarantor, because money is needed for a good deed. And they may not steal it, they will be afraid.

[demo]

They say so - one strategic alignment.
They say otherwise - another.

[kapitan92]

Poorly! The Americans really "respected" such a complex! Stealth, power and everything in one bottle. It's a pity.

[tolancop]

There were a lot of materials on "Scalpel" in the tyrnet. In theory, a great thing. And in real life, as they wrote, I did not go too much on the roads of the country. And there were constant complaints from the Ministry of Railways about the destruction of tracks by "rocket trains". The complex turned out to be overweight and too expensive to operate. Its creators accomplished a feat, but alas, you can't jump above your head. I believe that the creators of the Barguzin will take into account the shortcomings of the Scalpel, but time is needed for development and production.

[tema2101]

There will be no changes in the project, everything is written in the article. The terms for adoption have been shifted. AND
it’s rather not about money, since the complex is a priority.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Why did strategic forces begin to cut funding? You can cut back on purchases of non-strategic weapons for that matter. For example, Armata tanks, BMP Kurganets-25, BMP T-15, etc.

[Shark Lover]

Yes, I think the main thing is development, technology. And putting it on wheels, if necessary, can be quick .. Here at home sometimes, so much is needed, but you move something, put it off, although it's not bad, like, we earn. And, most importantly, NOBODY steals at home, except sometimes a cat. To answer with what is, as a deterrent, is apparently not very relevant. Immigrants use the tactics of partisans, only on a global scale. Small groups (countries) scoot from all sides, forcing them to disperse. Therefore, you need to immediately aim in one place))), they themselves will crawl up the country when their mothers (application to a public house) do not .

[ksan]

Why did strategic forces begin to cut funding?

Hardly. Strategic Nuclear Forces - forces of constant readiness and according to the Program they are changed by 90%, most likely some kind of "changes", "innovations" or "developments" have appeared that would be advisable to apply on the BZHRK, but THEY are still "damp"

[AdekvatNICK]

(sarcasm) we are waiting for the second Plato system.

incidentally, Canadians even make money out of air)) on the official website of a Canadian company they sell clean air cylinders (clickable)

[Vadim237]

Probably for asthmatics.

[DobryAAH]

Just yesterday I read that in a couple of years there will be. Something out of place.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Good AAAH

Just yesterday I read that in a couple of years there will be. Something out of place.

This is always the case with us. Even with good and stable financing, deadlines are broken.
Apparently we will never have it since in the USA, everything is rented out on time in a relatively short time and in the required quantity.

[shans2]

Yeah, especially f 35, airplanes with a laser, electromagnetic guns on zomwalt, everything is on time and is already in service

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: shans2

Yeah, especially f 35, airplanes with a laser, electromagnetic guns on zomwalt, everything is on time and is already in service

At zumwalt, they will be testing new weapons.
Look at the submarines of Virginia, in August they are launched in December, they are taken to the Navy.
Superhornets build 48 aircraft per year. Poseidon anti-submarine aircraft and edwedced hawkai drone aircraft are being built in large batches.

[AdekvatNICK]

come on you. We also have progress in this, there are some factories that even ahead of schedule fulfilled their armament plans.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: AdekvatNICK

come on you. We also have progress in this, there are some factories that even ahead of schedule fulfilled their armament plans.

There are rather understated plans. I understand when the plant immediately hands over the squadron to the Aerospace Forces. And we constantly have news like "the plant transferred 1-2 aircraft to the Aerospace Forces" ...

[tolancop]

In life, I won’t believe that when creating a complex complex, it will be possible to fully meet the planned dates and estimates. CAN NOT BE!! Neither ours nor others !! If such a project is delivered on time, then ... delivered with imperfections.

[veksha50]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Apparently we will never have it since in the USA, everything is rented out on time in a relatively short time and in the required quantity.

Yeah ... they forgot the quality - one of the most important criteria ... and the F-35 ... And the super destroyer ... you can attach something else ...

It is not necessary - especially now - to compare the economies of the USA and Russia ... This is a dishonest game ...
We collapsed almost to the ass, and we are slowly recovering ... When Russia-the USSR suffered heavy losses in both the first and second world wars, the United States only profited from them ... And they didn’t go through the dashing 90s, otherwise they would not exist in the world for a long time ...

[apro]

The main question is why? Bzhrk is much cheaper than plrb and much more effective here, I think it’s not about the money, the partners asked and Putin could not refuse.

[Mountain shooter]

Lies. The work is proceeding on schedule. The budget has nothing to do with it, these expenditure items were not sequestered. For anyone interested, follow the links. You will come to the OBS! You can find such "sources in the OPK" in the brewery closest to the defense plant, and more than one. Personally, if I were a counterintelligence agent, I would disseminate information in strictly opposite directions - all our equipment is rusty iron, suicide bombers were sitting in the warheads of the Caliber, since there is no Russian electronics and cannot be. And the opposite direction - our secret factories rivet the "Death Star" on the far side of the moon, and soon everyone will see and shudder.
They (hegemons) periodically throw fakes with laser weapons, which is about (and for 40 years now). And the free-falling nuclear bombs suddenly rushed to update - that’s also me, the weapon of the first strike. Aircraft are much more vulnerable than cruise missiles.

[izya top]

bad news

[veksha50]

"" One regiment of the new generation BZHRK being recreated in Russia "Barguzin" will be able to carry six intercontinental ballistic missiles of the "Yars" or "Yars-M" type "" ....

The old BZHRK regiment (Well done) consisted of three ...

It is a pity ... The Americans were very afraid of the BZHRK, and their nervous body movements began again when the news of the work on the Barguzin that had been started ...

So when I read the lists of well-fed bellies that occupy some leading places in the Russian version of Forbes, I involuntarily start to get angry ... Nooo, not that they are billionaires, but I do not ... And the fact that there are billions of them stolen from the people of the country in which they live and supposedly patriots of the country which they try to position themselves ...

Why not engage in "charity" and unfasten a bit for work on such projects as new aircraft, missile systems, ships ??? Why not take patronage over one of the projects ??? I understand that these are my stupid fantasies, however - why can't Putin give them a "roof" - if you want to continue to be rich in Russia - do something useful for her ...

[avva2012]

That's when I read the lists of well-fed bellies, which occupy some leading places in the Russian version of Forbes, involuntarily I get angry ...
So, you, for the 37 year has come again! Unfortunately, L.P. You won’t return Beria. Only under his strict guidance could it be possible to carry out everything neatly. Yezhov, really swung that year. Lavrenty Palych would have done more gently, but not one would have left.

[veksha50]

Quote: avva2012

So, you, for the 37 year has come again!

You read my post carefully ... I did not make radical proposals, but said about "possible charity in favor of the state and its people, persons who robbed this state and people, but position themselves as patriots "...

Under the tsars, merchants, industrialists, wealthy people in general, donated not so rarely to state affairs ... For this they received letters, medals, orders, privileges from the tsar ... As an example, I can even cite the cities of Kostroma and Nizhny Novgorod, which "For services to the Fatherland" existed practically without paying the state tax to the treasury ... Once again I emphasize: "For services to the Fatherland" !!!

We have such an order, in my opinion, even three degrees ... They only hand it to anyone - no matter ...

[ZKVR]

This means that it is already taken and ride. And that’s what amuse the Americans that sanctions work. Ha ha

[galact]

You can tell whatever you want, if only it would be beneficial. You can yield in tactics, and win in strategy. The main thing is that the tack has always been correct.

[-СтрР° РЅРЅРёРє-]

The news is somehow not happy. Especially in light of the fact that in recent years they have been trying hard to drag us into the war ...

[KBR109]

Quote: AlexTires

Apparently, all the money went to the construction of the Yeltsin Center .....

Well, why all ... Probably, they left a little on the Nemtsov Center. And on the lifetime monument to half-marshal Serdyukov in half with Vasilyeva. However, here you can go to half-measures and change faces to "Worker and Collective Farm Woman".

[ODERVIT]

In the process, you can adjust the timing of the creation, nothing surprising and remarkable. But the fact that the complex will be created and will enter the troops is beyond my doubt.

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

Yes, the point is not that they will build it in a year or two, but is there anyone to build it for, because the question of the succession of generations is hanging in the air and we don’t see a solution to it.

[KBR109]

But effective managers ... immeasurably! And we don’t give our offense, and not for 37 years, and the government with the Central Bank is good ... and the BZHRK is Trivia. Unworthy references. The main thing is not to forget to reprimand for economic crimes !!

[Zomanus]

I won’t be very surprised if we find out
that the throwing tests took place the following year.
You must understand that about some things it is better to embellish in the opposite direction.

[Belarus]

My opinion on this is: the first is perhaps they did the right thing with Barguzin, but only if: the Russian Federation tried and is trying to drag it into a new arms race in order to worsen the social situation in the country.
Second: one thing can be said, but everything can be done exactly the opposite so as not to unnerve rabid dogs( the United States and Europeans and others like them) .Yes and to do everything and immediately grabbing at everything and without priorities is impossible.
Third: they tell us only what they want to tell, and how things really are there, in fact only two people know the GDP and Shoigu, why didn’t I write about M? And you, dear yourself, think about it (Libya alone was enough for me).
So let's be patient and not say that the project was leaked

[KBR109]

You didn’t write this about M .. an asshole because he had already shown himself to be a "worthy shit-in-chief" in 080808, when the prime minister from Beijing had to work, after losing a lot of time.

[Belarus]

08.08.08 as you correctly noticed, I didn’t mention, we will speak out of politeness. And since you all correctly noticed that M is the main person with liberal views and with all the consequences of this.

[sisa29]

Or maybe in life everything is completely wrong? It was necessary to powder the brains of the United States, they said we were building Barguzin, and we ourselves were developing status 6. Relations with the United States went to the edge, opened the cards, showed the status 6 about the project. The project, the barguzin as a cover, lost its meaning, began to push back,

[yuriy55]

The sad news and my thoughts on this are:

- the available funds allow you to keep parity with mattresses (and who else will encroach?);

- a shortage of funds would be possible if the funds were allocated in dollars, and not in our Russian rubles (100%, that the money did not come from Ukraine $ 3, or went to the construction of the Yeltsin center ... who knows? ?);

- a real and objective explanation - not brought to an industrial design (or prototype of military equipment, due to non-compliance with the required parameters, unavailability of the industrial base or other difficulties, as mentioned above, related to movement on the railway).

[vivat_russia]

I think there will be no progress - weapons plans are priority

[UVB]

told the agency a source in the defense industry

Which source? I would not trust such messages. Too much negativity has been thrown in recently.

[ODERVIT]

Here, they’ve removed it from the tongue. Some media outlets with reference to others, those to the third, also started to go .... But I want to ask, but someone thinks at least something in OCD, the stages of their implementation and possible reasons for the postponement of time.

[Kyrgyz]

The complex has not yet passed even the design stage, it is necessary to push the standard Yars there, it is not surprising that it was slowed down due to a decrease in incomes, where it is more profitable to finish where the final is determined and there is already something in the iron than what exists as a task and desire , Barguzin’s terms are very approximate, even with funding, and containment resources are more or less enough, in contrast to the resources of an operational response

[epsilon571]

sisa29 RU Today,
Or maybe in life everything is completely wrong?

***
Or maybe in life everything is completely wrong?
Perhaps this has its own reasons.
A mess is being built from the state,
Similar to the prison project.
Hucksters spit on the law
Are you friends like cattle ..
Now the Stolypin wagon is more important,
And we keep talking about "Barguzins"

[sisa29]

Thank! Class!

[Sirs]

You just do not understand the level of corruption !!!

[Dmitry Potapov]

Here are u.o.d.y! "Difficult financial situation", in the State Duma it is always wonderful, two-thirds of parasites at least, officials across the country 80% are parasites and thieves, I heard that the Crimean authorities are not happy with the government, it seems that crumbs reached the Crimea from the cut, but they did not remain silent, Lord, what patience you have awarded the Russian people!

[Old26]

Quote: dchegrinec

It's a pity, but I would like to see how they planned in 2018! But now at 20 so in the 20th, what to do! Maybe it will be technologically a cut above what was planned ..

A strong opinion is being created that the year 2018 was announced more likely to reassure the internal audience. The work was started in 2012. For 6 years, to carry out outline design, to carry out all stages of design and development work, to release a prototype, to test it is unrealistic. Given that at the end of 2014 the EP was only completed, and the release of the CD is scheduled for mid-2016 .....

Quote: veksha50

Quote: keel 31

But then at 20 in service there should be several complexes.

It would be foolish to do such a thing, to put it mildly ... Money thrown away ...
From the experience of the formation of the first BZHRK, I can say that immediately there are a lot of problems that need to be brought to mind, and now the second, third complexes are already taking into account the claims expressed by the rocket launchers during the pilot combat duty ...
Well, it will take about six months or a year to "run in" the head complex ...

PS There are still a lot of problems that no one mentions that will arise in questions of the movement of complexes on the railway ... Previously, at least there was a unified system of state administration, but now the railway has somewhat different orders ... Yes, and the drivers at the BZHRK have long been stopped releasing, again everything will start from scratch ...

You are absolutely right, George, saying that releasing several at once is stupidity and wasted money. Before adopting the previous BZHRK, the EMNIP were created and tested FOUR prototypes of the train, one of which ran into about 400-450 thousand kilometers. And this is not one month ...
Moreover, we must take into account how you correctly stated that you need to solve problems with the railway, train drivers, re-create locomotives (to modernize existing ones for the needs of the complex), cars of the complex, many of which were produced outside of Russia. It is necessary to recreate or tidy up (and most likely both) field start positions. To re-create points of permanent deployment of complexes (which were destroyed and plundered), to re-create military camps (VG disbanded divisions were transferred to local authorities), In short, there is no end to the work. And the main test, not only of a new rocket (judging by the index), but of all the components of the complex. And this is not only MONEY, but unfortunately also TIME.

Quote: veksha50

Maybe, in order not to spray money, they will be thrown to Sarmat now, so that in 2016, at least in a small amount, he will be on combat duty ???

This is very unlikely, George. In 2016, it is planned to start throwing tests, then rocket tests, state tests, then only putting into service. This is unlikely to be done in a year. In addition, you will also have to re-equip the silos under Sarmat. In the meantime, I have not seen such information on the procurement site.

[veksha50]

Quote: Old26

In addition, you will also have to re-equip the silo for "Sarmat"

It seems to me that it’s easier and cheaper to build new ones than to re-equip old ones ... I know how they all robbed in the nth time ...

But have specialists stayed in Special Construction by this time ???

[veksha50]

Quote: Old26

one of which ran into about 400-450 thousand kilometers.

So even before the "run over" for how many months he stood in Plesetsk on experimental combat duty ...

So this question is not quickly resolved ... Now we need to collect specialists to the heap, who is left, who has what experience - to unite, filter everything ... there will be many problems, there will be many, and all of them need to be solved ...

[Old26]

Quote: Zomanus

I won’t be very surprised if we find out
that the throwing tests took place the following year.
You must understand that about some things it is better to embellish in the opposite direction.

Throwing can take place, but if in the middle of the year only the release of CD is planned, then this is hardly realistic in 2016

Quote: sisa29

Or maybe in life everything is completely wrong? It was necessary to powder the brains of the United States, they say we are building Barguzin, and we ourselves were developing status 6. Relations with the United States went to the edge, opened the cards, showed the status 6 about the project. The project, the barguzin as a cover, lost its meaning, began to move

Rather, we powder with "Status-6", given the situation under which it became known

[NEXUS]

Quote: Old26

Rather, we powder with "Status-6", given the situation under which it became known

Not a fact ... there are too many vultures in the Belgorod and Khabarovsk submarine project ... it may happen that this is a very real project, which is now under development ...

[Vadim237]

The meaning of Status 6 is to scare, but not to spend money on creation.

[lopvlad]

Why are you so alarmed?
As for Barguzin, there is still nothing but a preliminary design (by the end of 2015, only a technical design is promised). And here not only need to make a new rocket, but also the launcher itself into a standard refrigerated container together with the rocket, and also the railway canvas in our ass So, initially before 2020, the complex would not have been ready with all the efforts.
Such complexes have been made for decades. At one time, they transferred money from PAK DA (according to which there was nothing besides the technical design) to the production of a real TU-160M2 aircraft and if they didn’t do this, they could get a period in which long-range strategic aviation would be weakened.

[lopvlad]

Quote: AlexTires

money was spent on the construction of the Yeltsin Center

to build this center in Russia is the same as if to build a Hitler center in Israel.

[Vadim237]

Yeltsin - the center is just a museum of the 90s, a reminder of what we should not return to.

[Ironax]

Who knows what this source is. And a shift in the timing of such projects is not a rare thing.

[Lumumba]

Yes, you shouldn't trust "unnamed anonymous sources". Very similar to stuffing.

Eh, the media should be prohibited from referring to "unnamed sources", but only to specific statements of specific individuals, preferably with their mouths. It would immediately become cleaner in the information field.

[mamont5]

Quote: AlexTires

Apparently, all the money went to the construction of the Yeltsin Center .....

Again "slips"!
http://topwar.ru/88035-znakomtes-russkoyazychnyy-agent-gosdepa.html - читать и перечитывать.

Quote: Hon

Well, they’ll shake, the money will still be divided between the same. Berezovsky was shaken, and the assets went to Abramovich and Deripaska

It concerns you too.

[Prince Gvidon]

It is necessary to borrow at interest from Miller, Sechin and Gref.

[cap]

Quote: Prince Guidon

It is necessary to borrow at interest from Miller, Sechin and Gref.

True for 500 years at 0%

[3axap82]

It would be better to build mine complexes. They are really a retaliatory weapon.
Missiles fell on our territory, there were nuclear explosions, the mines will survive. And all sorts of mobile complexes will burn. They were good in the era of the USSR when there was parity, we had early warning stations for a missile attack in Cuba and Vietnam. Then we could carry out a retaliatory MEETING strike: take-off missiles — detecting them on take-off — return launch from anywhere in the USSR.

[cap]

Quote: 3axap82

And all sorts of mobile complexes will burn. They were good in the era of the USSR when there was parity, we had early warning stations for a missile attack in Cuba and Vietnam. Then we could carry out a retaliatory MEETING strike: take-off missiles — detecting them on take-off — return launch from anywhere in the USSR.

And what are the submarines worse, which are generally on the "beach" in the waters, or nearby?
And the "container trucks" are in the sea. Good in bulk. Let them only "rock the boat,"
ENOUGH FOR ALL!

[3axap82]

Submarines, BZhDK, "Topol" carry lighter missiles with lower strike potential and weaker protection against missile defense. Not to mention the shockwave vulnerability.
Their only advantage is low cost in comparison with mine liquid-fuel ones.

[Old26]

Quote: veksha50

It seems to me that it’s easier and cheaper to build new ones than to re-equip old ones ... I know how everyone plundered there in the nth time ... But have any specialists remained in Special Construction by this time ???

Where he, "Sarmat", will be located - not plundered. The division is still in the ranks, but to re-equip ... So after all, and now they are re-equipping. And in Kozelskaya with UR-100N UTTKh under "Yars-M" they will re-equip, and in Yasnenskaya they will re-equip silos from R-36M UTTKh under 15A35-71 (15Yu71).

Quote: veksha50

So even before the "run over", how many months he stood in Plesetsk on experimental combat duty ... So this issue is not quickly resolved ...
Now we need to collect specialists to the heap, who remains, who has what experience - to unite, filter everything ... there will be many problems, a lot, and all of them need to be solved ...

In addition, given that the RT-23 (15P952) complex was on the OBD, and the RT-23UTTX (15P061) was adopted for service ...
That is, it is foolish to think that in a year or three the Barguzin will be put into service. And whether "Barguzin" will be called ....

[Rostislav]

Quote: Ami du peuple
Maybe a couple of governors, like Khoroshavin or Gaiser, should be shaken?
Wouldn't it be easier to confiscate the property of Serdyukov and Vasilyeva, as well as their former deputies? laughing I think there is just enough for a few "Barguzins".

One does not exclude the other. There is no need to oppose these actions, they will organically complement each other. ”It's a pity that only in theory.

[Old26]

Quote: 3axap82

It would be better to build mine complexes.

Build. Kozelskaya is re-equipped, and in the future, the replacement of VOEVOD by SARMAT.
PGRK - HZ will burn out or not, but a part, and possibly a large one, will be able to shoot

[3axap82]

I am very glad that they are being built. There are also UR-100 and UR-500 have not yet rotted. Although it is possible the UR-500 (PROTON) was used on commercial launches.

[evge-malyshev]

Very sorry.

[Evgeny Petrovich]

If corruption does not hold even the fifth column, then the delay will be not by a year but by five.

[alfa19638]

to whom to hold?

[colonel manuch]

Let's hope that VVP and the team will have enough strength to put pro-Western shift workers in place and beat the hands of "effective managers".

[archimer]

What would the best aces of the USSR answer!

[Aleksey_K]

TASS:
“Due to the difficult financial situation and the resulting budgetary restrictions, the time frame for the creation of the Barguzin has been shifted to the right by more than one year. This applies to all stages of work, including development, production and testing. Thus, the creation of a new combat railway missile The complex will be completed in 2020 at best,” a TASS source said.
In December last year, the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Colonel General Sergei Karakaev, announced that the preliminary design of the Barguzin combat railway missile system, which was being recreated by decision of the Russian President, had been completed. He stated that Barguzin could be put into service in 2019."

For some reason, the author of the article in Military Review did not analyze the shift. He modestly kept silent. Shift in adoption from 2019 to 2020. It’s not scary, not for 10 years.

[smith7]

Quote: anfil

With Sergei
Shake is necessary. Better immediately through the FSB. And ask by the laws of war. And without waiting for 2019
And shake it now so that the performers themselves want to pass it through 1 a year. It is normal to serve in 3 shifts seven days a week.

The publication of this news should tell the whole world that Russia’s intentions are peaceful to the extent that we ourselves can postpone this issue if it is not urgent. It's not bad. The bad thing is that the problems of creating such complex systems are associated with a lot of diverse technical and organizational problems. This is very alarming. The era of the collapse of the military-industrial complex is over, but we will feel the consequences for a very, very long time. "Personnel decide everything (c) I. Stalin."
So they decide... Something like this.

[Mister22408]

Yes, everything is simple - nationalize the central bank, send the cries of those dispossessed of this bank to foreign owners and build it (albeit according to old drawings)... There is still time until the year 20...

[Old26]

Quote: Mister22408

Yes, everything is simple - nationalize the central bank, send the cries of those dispossessed of this bank to foreign owners and build it (albeit according to old drawings)... There is still time until the year 20...

It's really simple. Add a few more points
1. Take over Ukraine
2. Restore Yuzhmash
3. Restore a dozen more large factories in Ukraine
4. Find people who will be able to build rockets in Ukraine.

Do you think we can handle it in 4 years???

Quote: Алексей_К

In December last year, the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Colonel General Sergei Karakaev, announced that the preliminary design of the Barguzin combat railway missile system, which was being recreated by decision of the Russian President, had been completed. He stated that Barguzin could be put into service in 2019."

EMNIP talked about 2018...

[3axap82]

Quote: Old26

It's really simple. Add a few more points
1. Take over Ukraine
2. Restore Yuzhmash
3. Restore a dozen more large factories in Ukraine
4. Find people who will be able to build rockets in Ukraine.

Restoring relations with Ukraine (or if they had not been spoiled) and cooperation in the production and repair of Voyevoda would give much more to Russia’s defense capability than even 3 Crimea.

[Old26]

Quote: 3axap82

I am very glad that they are being built. There are also UR-100 and UR-500 have not yet rotted. Although it is possible the UR-500 (PROTON) was used on commercial launches.

UR-100? Dear. These missiles were decommissioned back in 1990. If we talk about the UR-100N UTTH, they are also being written off. Well, what about the UR-500... The combat version - work was stopped at the preliminary design level in 1964. Well, to use a space launch vehicle with a total diameter of 10 meters, non-ampulized, the production of which is exclusively one-piece, and in a silo...
This reminds me of one discussion on Cosmonautics News, where there was also a proposal to use it in a mine.

[3axap82]

When the number of combat-ready missiles decreases, you can put the UR-500 in a silo, if only there was such a silo. Well, of course, launching a non-ampulized missile with a warhead into a silo is a monstrous risk.

[Wolka]

Well, why shout about it for everyone to hear, it’s completely stupid...

[Old26]

Quote: 3axap82

Quote: Old26

It's really simple. Add a few more points
1. Take over Ukraine
2. Restore Yuzhmash
3. Restore a dozen more large factories in Ukraine
4. Find people who will be able to build rockets in Ukraine.

Restoring relations with Ukraine (or if they had not been spoiled) and cooperation in the production and repair of Voyevoda would give much more to Russia’s defense capability than even 3 Crimea.

Alas, these are pipe dreams. The collapse of the Union immediately put an end to cooperation with Ukraine in this area. If they had a politician like Nazarbayev, maybe everything would have turned out differently. They would have replaced “Voevoda” with “Icarus” in the early 2000s, giving more.... Okay, what can I say. As they say, history does not tolerate subjunctive moods

[kapitan92]

Quote: tolancop

In life, I won’t believe that when creating a complex complex, it will be possible to fully meet the planned dates and estimates. CAN NOT BE!! Neither ours nor others !! If such a project is delivered on time, then ... delivered with imperfections.

......DF-41: Chinese answer to our “Barguzin”
Beijing is creating a powerful BZHRK using technologies purchased from Ukraine.....
If you're interested, I can send you a link.

[kapitan92]

The Chinese Armed Forces test-launched the Dongfeng-41 (DF-41) intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) from a railway mobile unit. The American publication The Washington Free Beacon reported this on December 21, citing data from US intelligence services, supported by photographs.

According to them, the launch occurred on December 5 in western China.

Interestingly, it was previously reported that the DF-41 is only a ground mobile complex with a missile range of 10 to 14 thousand kilometers. The missile is allegedly equipped with a multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle (MIRV) with 10 nuclear warheads, and also contains decoys simulating warheads to counter the missile defense system.

According to a report from Georgetown University's Asian Arms Control Project, rail technology for launching ICBMs was acquired by China from Ukraine, where rail-launched strategic missile systems were developed during the Soviet era.
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