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From the cycle "Peremoga and Zrada." EU-free ice breathing

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At the end of last week, the Ukrainian political, God forgive me, the establishment together with the most otmaydanenny media jumped literally to the ceiling. The reason for the next race is related to the statement of the European Commission, in which it was said that Kiev fulfills its obligations under the terms of the abolition of the visa regime, and that the EC considers it possible to introduce a visa-free border crossing of the EU countries already next year. To say that in Kiev such a statement by the representatives of the European Commission was called “Peremogy” - to say practically nothing.


From the cycle "Peremoga and Zrada." EU-free ice breathing


It should be added that the European Commission expressed similar words about “the likely introduction of a visa-free regime” to Georgia.

In the meantime, a real carnival reigned in the Ukrainian media, in the European media they decided to issue materials explaining more to the Europeans themselves that the visa-free regime for the visa-free regime was different. The reason for the publication of this kind of publication is that, to put it mildly, not all European citizens perceived the statement of the EC representatives with obvious enthusiasm. The Europeans said that the EU, even without the presence of Ukrainians and Georgians, is suffocating from refugees and displaced persons (primarily from Africa and the Middle East), and the abolition of visas with these countries can only contribute to aggravating the migration crisis that has engulfed Europe. As a result, European publications had to proceed with the urgent publication of materials concerning what exactly the visa-free regime with Georgia and Ukraine is, and why Europeans should not be afraid of such a decision. One of these materials was voiced by a German radio station. Deutsche Welle.

German journalists confirm that visas for citizens of Georgia and Ukraine can be canceled in the summer or autumn of 2016, and in the event that all countries of the European Union, without exception, support the European Commission. If at least one of the EU countries has doubts about the expediency of abolishing visas for Georgians and Ukrainians, then the visa regime will continue to operate - until the next meetings on the same issue.

At the same time, the European Union has already made it clear to Kiev and Tbilisi that the abolition of visas for citizens of these countries (if abolition occurs at all) will have a number of restrictive principles. So, in the event of the abolition of the visa regime, Ukrainian citizens will theoretically be able to get on the basis of an internal passport not in all EU countries. Completely ignore the initiatives of Brussels in London and Dublin. That is, the citizens of Georgia and Ukraine will be able to get to Britain or Ireland only when they issue visas at the embassies of these countries.

By the way, about the internal Ukrainian passports. In Brussels, they said that in the future only Ukrainian and Georgian citizens who will acquire biometric passports are ready to let in. As the President of Ukraine Poroshenko was informed during his visit to the printing plant Ukraine, in the near future millions of biometric passports (ID-cards) will be issued for Ukrainian citizens. Printing plant is included in the structure of the National Bank of Ukraine, headed by the notorious Valeria Gontareva, which, with an official salary in 12 thousand UAH. reported income in the amount of 3,85 mln. per year and the presence of three cars Infiniti FX35, Porsche Panamera and Porsche Cayenne. The transfer of millions of Ukrainians to biometric plastic cards — one of the requirements of the European Union — clearly replenishes the personal budget of both Ms. Gontareva herself and the oligarch President Poroshenko, who expressed satisfaction with the process of stamping new Ukrainian documents.



Restrictive measures for Ukrainian and Georgian citizens also relate to their stay in EU countries. If a visa-free regime is ever introduced, the same Ukrainian citizens will be limited to stay on an internal passport in 90 EU countries for days. At the same time, it is immediately added that such citizens cannot work in the EU. To work, you will need to receive a separate permit, the cost of which (the simplest) starts from Euro 380 for the same three months. Moreover, if a Ukrainian citizen intends to cross the border of the Schengen zone just for work, then the European Commission says that he will still have to get a visa. And if we consider that the abolition of the visa regime in Kiev was seen primarily as an opportunity for European employment, it is completely incomprehensible what the positive effect of the EC’s peculiar initiative to abolish visas with Ukraine is in reality if you work without a series of permits ...

Ukrainian and Georgian citizens will not be able to get an education in the EU if visas are so peculiarly canceled. The fact is that Brussels made it clear right away: it is possible to study without a Schengen visa only if you complete any short-term courses (for up to 3 months). In all other cases, you will have to get a visa and an appropriate permit (not free, of course).

This is not all, with which the hypothetical abolition of visas for Kiev and Tbilisi is connected. Deutsche Welle “For the future” reports that any Ukrainians who find themselves without a visa in a particular EU country, representatives of the police or migration service have the right to ask for travel documents (a train or plane ticket), including the date of departure departure, if such the person went to the EU for about half the maximum allowed period (ie, 45 days). In addition, the police are even entitled to get into the wallet or check the contents of the bank card entered the country. If on a card or in a wallet the amount is less than 1 thousand euros, then such a visa-free guest can point to the door in the direction of the return route. The reason, as reported, is that such a “guest” will not be able to purchase the required insurance and return ticket if he does not have permission to work in the Schengen countries.

Many were surprised by the citizens of Ukraine and Georgia when they learned that the EU had signed documents on the abolition of the visa regime with Moldova in April 2014. During this time, over 3 thousands of Moldovan citizens were fined in EU countries for violating immigration laws, two thousand sent back to Moldova. About one and a half thousand Moldovans were simply not allowed into the EU without visas.



By the way, in order to gain a visa-free regime, Moldova was then obliged to open customs control points on the border with the MRT, which in fact officially recognizes the PMR as a separate territory from Moldova. In addition, the Moldovan authorities signed a document in which they pledged not to violate (read - to encourage) the rights of the LGBT community (apparently, for Europe this is one of the most important conditions for a visa-free regime ...), which caused a storm of indignation both in the camp of the opposition and in church representatives. The Chisinau authorities called the increase in the number of Moldovan tourists in Europe a positive aspect of the abolition of visas. According to the Tourism Association of Moldova, if in 2009, a little more than 800 Moldovans visited Greece, then 2015 thousands of people have already been to 15. About the return tourism, which could bring funds to the budget, the Moldovan association delicately silent ... Neither the Greeks, nor the Germans, nor even the Romanians did not go to Moldova ...

Reasonable question from the Twitter user under a nickname Lev sharansky:
Flight Kiev-Paris round-trip 8000 UAH., The hotel is not quite bomzhatskaya, a week - 12000 UAH. Meals, if pasta week - 7000 UAH. Total 27000 uah The average salary in Ukraine 2000 UAH. Attention, question: why the hell would you have visa-free regime
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    1. Shepard
      Shepard 21 December 2015 06: 21 New
      26
      Well, the colonizers are able to rip off the country
      1. alex-cn
        alex-cn 21 December 2015 17: 06 New
        +2
        The commentary was removed, and God bless him ... Only the proverb for which it was removed is more than me.
        1. FlyEngine
          FlyEngine 21 December 2015 22: 39 New
          27
          Ukrainians here in Europe are so above the roof. Walking in Prague, you don’t know whether the Czech is coming towards you or the Zhytomyr poet. Although there are a lot of Russians, only the tendency is that Russians basically own a business, while Ukrainians work in slightly lower positions.
          The funny thing is that most of the Ukrainians living in the Czech Republic fiercely and fiercely love their country, but they don’t want to return. Weird!
          In short, a complete mess is planned here.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 22 December 2015 00: 18 New
            20
            This is what interests me in Ukraine. Well, Kiev does not want to give money. What's next?
            Gas, coal, oil and fuel elements. No matter how brave, but cheaper in the Russian Federation. And others without alternatives (fuel elements). You won’t break gas in winter - the EU itself needs gas - they ask for “additives” every winter, but now please be so kind as to auction in St. Petersburg. Money, for example, will appear. They want to urgently buy coal in the Russian Federation or Donbass. So what? The Russian Federation after the “scam” may take grandmother and not deliver the goods, in payment of the debt. Kiev has done a lot, the same power lines in the Crimea. In a word, the fate of the housing and communal services of Ukraine is in the hands of the GDP, and only the Kiev authorities will depend on it to squeeze or not this winter. After all, everyone says that Kiev will not be able to go through winter with such energy reserves.
            Conclusion: Kiev got a loan across the throat and, in any RF, wring it out (at least it has all the possibilities). So it’s interesting how the GDP will behave, will it play charity again or will it close the taps? And what will the authorities in Kiev do? To drag an alternative from South Africa, etc. it may be more expensive to get a loan, not today today tomorrow - Waltzman and Yaytsenyuk understand everything perfectly. hi
            1. Zhnec
              Zhnec 22 December 2015 14: 06 New
              +6
              I agree completely. We in Crimea think the same way. Parashenko and Yaytsenyukh shook the banks ...
          2. Pilot
            Pilot 23 December 2015 16: 20 New
            +2
            Quote: FlyEngine
            Russians mostly own businesses, while Ukrainians work for

            of them.
            Born to crawl ...
        2. spiriolla-45
          spiriolla-45 22 December 2015 14: 03 New
          +2
          I didn’t read your comment, but here, I think, I would have come up to: "And the goat’s bayan horseradish?
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 21 December 2015 06: 44 New
      44
      in the passport: column last name, it is written: NAME ... !!! I cried ... laughing laughing laughing
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 21 December 2015 07: 20 New
        +6
        Masha is good, but not ours? smile
        1. seos
          seos 21 December 2015 12: 50 New
          11
          Ukro-women will go to work - 3 months on a penel 9 at home ...
          1. cuzmin.mihail2013
            cuzmin.mihail2013 21 December 2015 19: 03 New
            +2
            9 - is it for improving the birth rate increase in Ukraine?
          2. Slavin
            Slavin 21 December 2015 19: 58 New
            +1
            yeah, not like they are now in Russia 9 on 3, all of which any plus
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        1. heal
          heal 21 December 2015 09: 51 New
          26
          Actually, it’s not quite like that:
          Gynecologist - Gynecologist
          Parachutists - Parachutitsi
          Lighter - Igniter
          Butterfly - Metelik
          Count - Porahui
          1. mihasik
            mihasik 21 December 2015 14: 55 New
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            Quote: heal
            Actually, it’s not quite like that:
            Gynecologist - Gynecologist
            Parachutists - Parachutitsi
            Lighter - Igniter
            Butterfly - Metelik
            Count - Porahui

            Actually, there’s a bunch of adverbs. In Western Ukraine they say one thing, in the Center and the East in another. So the pronunciation options are different.
            1992 passing through the Lviv region, very surprised laughing names of towns and villages! For example, such:
            Pidrishchi
            Muzhilovichi (still clickable on the map)
            Interestingly, even then, the EU prepared, judging by the names? lol
            1. BARKHAN
              BARKHAN 21 December 2015 17: 29 New
              +5
              But still funny laughing Especially parachutitsi!
              Well, “count-fuck” sounds like “it's time to act, o child-bearing organ.” good I hope I did not offend anyone's feelings ... hi
            2. biznaw
              biznaw 23 December 2015 00: 22 New
              0
              Quote: mihasik
              Quote: heal
              Actually, it’s not quite like that:
              Gynecologist - Gynecologist
              Parachutists - Parachutitsi
              Lighter - Igniter
              Butterfly - Metelik
              Count - Porahui

              Actually, there’s a bunch of adverbs. In Western Ukraine they say one thing, in the Center and the East in another. So the pronunciation options are different.
              1992 passing through the Lviv region, very surprised laughing names of towns and villages! For example, such:
              Pidrishchi
              Muzhilovichi (still clickable on the map)
              Interestingly, even then, the EU prepared, judging by the names? lol


              Village Derizhapovo
          2. little man
            little man 21 December 2015 21: 36 New
            0
            and also "no bullshit"
          3. Lev Leshchenko
            Lev Leshchenko 22 December 2015 01: 50 New
            +2
            Count - Porahui

            Count - "fuck", to be precise :)
          4. Zhnec
            Zhnec 22 December 2015 14: 14 New
            0
            well yes!
            Vagina - Pihva
            Koschey the Immortal - Chakhlik the Undying
            Out of place - soon, soon ...
            etc.
      3. evil partisan
        evil partisan 21 December 2015 08: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        in the passport: column last name, it is written: NAME ... !!! I cried ...

        Not surprised request. With your surname (Amateur sad ) finally need to sob yes. Better a nickname ... recourse
        wink drinks
        And hahlov will be wrapped back at the border crossing under some pretext, that's all. Spend on a bus to Mukachevo and all to no avail ...
        1. Voha_krim
          Voha_krim 21 December 2015 08: 25 New
          +9
          Quote: wicked partisan
          And hahlov will be wrapped back at the border crossing under some pretext, that's all. Spend on a bus to Mukachevo and all to no avail ...

          A statement was made by the Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, Elena Zerkal, that European Union member states could block Ukraine from receiving a visa-free regime with the EU if Kiev did not fully fulfill its obligations.
          And the degree of fulfillment of obligations by the European Union determines “by eye”. As well as the level of corruption, democracy, etc., etc. In a word, "our song is good, start over."
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 21 December 2015 09: 08 New
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            After the abolition of visas to the EU: laughing
            1. 15ghost10
              15ghost10 21 December 2015 09: 39 New
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              This is Poroshenko at work
              1. Alena Frolovna
                Alena Frolovna 21 December 2015 16: 57 New
                13
                This is piglet after a trip to Moscow for a couple with Erdogan

            2. avdkrd
              avdkrd 22 December 2015 12: 48 New
              +2
              Quote: SRC P-15
              After the abolition of visas to the EU: laughing

              at least kill I don’t understand Porshenko’s enthusiastic screech about visa-free regime with the EU. Even if there are no restrictions, what is the benefit of this for Ukraine? Is the collapse of the economy, the civil war and the complete lack of prospects worth the inconsequential convenience for trips to Europe? All the same, they will not be allowed to work without a work visa; Europe still needs to employ Arabs with blacks.
              Well, is there a visa regime or not it is important for those who need urgency (for business) and even then it was not a problem (reusable "Schengen"), but at the household level it does not matter at all.
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 21 December 2015 12: 37 New
          13
          Quote: wicked partisan
          Not surprised . With your surname (Dilettante) you finally need to sob. Better a nickname ...

          I was offended ... laughing
      4. Nikolay K
        Nikolay K 21 December 2015 09: 14 New
        +8
        Initially, most of the names were formed from nicknames, you did not know?
        1. kotvov
          kotvov 21 December 2015 11: 07 New
          +9
          Initially, most of the names were formed from nicknames, didn’t you know ?,
          should we understand this, accept without arguments? Let's say not the majority, but some part. Many surnames came from the name of the father, or the profession, or, serfdom, the owner-owner.
          1. Nikolay K
            Nikolay K 21 December 2015 12: 01 New
            +3
            The most ancient surnames form from nicknames. These are mainly noble families. And only then, when surnames became a mass phenomenon, they began to form in other ways, for example, as you mentioned.
        2. 15ghost10
          15ghost10 21 December 2015 11: 09 New
          0
          Yes, but this is the name of his wife. HZ maybe she is also like that - as they say - "two boots - sneakers".
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      6. Awaz
        Awaz 21 December 2015 09: 47 New
        +2
        still would "drive" wrote ... all to one ..
      7. nils
        nils 21 December 2015 10: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        I cried...


        Hieroshimonah Rafail (Berestov): “All the people who accept the chip token are all caught, and it will be difficult for them to stop.”
        Otroch Vyacheslav: “The last document will be a world passport in the form of a small, very pretty gray plate, and when people receive it, specially installed equipment will put a chip on the forehead or on the right hand with rays.”
        O. Paisiy (Svyatorets): “And now they are going to take their entire economy. For the same purpose, the computer in Brussels serves as the "beast." They themselves call him the "beast." It can contain information for six billion people. Now there are 4-5 billions in the world, and he still has a reserve. ”
      8. Kite
        Kite 21 December 2015 10: 56 New
        +2
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        in the passport: column surname, it is written: Nickname ..

        - like that, they got a nickname and lost a middle name (and a fatherland).
        I would not cry, but would take a club in my hands to clearly explain how the full name should sound.
      9. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx 21 December 2015 14: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        in the passport: column last name, it is written: NAME ... !!! I cried ... laughing laughing laughing

        Belarusians have a middle name under the count - a nickname for the Old Man lol
      10. Sharapov
        Sharapov 21 December 2015 18: 28 New
        +4
        Why misinterpret? Well, do not be like dill (this is their trick), because it is not written "SIGN", but "SIGN" - which in Ukrainian means "last name". Clear reading problems .....
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 21 December 2015 23: 44 New
          +3
          And what about the "nickname" in Ukrainian? What to worry about them, a passport on the European model, and there are no surnames, only a "family name", and especially patronymics. A friend of the American Russian wife. When they had a son, the American showed my husband and I a birth certificate and was very excited, I almost cried with happiness that the certificate also contains his name (middle name)! And these ... themselves refused. But in Russia, when a person wrote a middle name or spoke with a middle name, it was a great honor, and now it speaks of respect. Khokh.ly themselves refused respect and honor!
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      11. little man
        little man 21 December 2015 21: 35 New
        0
        such songs are beautiful in the Ukrainian language and this language sounds so “funny" in the colloquial genre.
      12. Zhnec
        Zhnec 22 December 2015 14: 10 New
        +1
        You are slightly wrong. A nickname in Ukrainian means a surname. But the nickname in Ukrainian sounds like a word ...
      13. crumb
        crumb 23 December 2015 17: 50 New
        0
        this is something else - patronymic in Ukrainian - EXTREMELY! oh how !!!
      14. Igor F.
        Igor F. 23 December 2015 18: 21 New
        +1
        So "nickname" is normal for Ukrainians, the surname is translated .. I myself am from Makeyevka, and at first I was amused by such a "nickname", laughed, and then seemed to be somehow used to it. Although, of course, you can still give an example .. For example, “Zpizhzhenny gas”, a Russian person will not immediately understand and might also think of something like a joke .. And this is just “liquefied gas” .. Such ridiculous absurdities come across in the Ukrainian language! smile
      15. OlegLex
        OlegLex 23 December 2015 19: 43 New
        0
        surname - this Latin borrowing in Russia was introduced from the end of the sixteenth century for the nobility for everyone else after the abolition of serfdom. the closest etymology to the word last name is the old Russian word is a nickname, a normal old Russian word, what is the reason for the laughter I did not understand.
    3. USSR 1971
      USSR 1971 21 December 2015 07: 29 New
      +5
      This is definitely a crap. Insidious, not without Putin, of course (Kremlin agents everywhere). But for now, it is perceived as overwork. Like all the previous zrad.
      1. RBLip
        RBLip 21 December 2015 08: 11 New
        16
        Quote: USSR 1971
        This is definitely a crap.

        they will have a breakthrough ... then ... someday ...
    4. vkl-47
      vkl-47 21 December 2015 07: 30 New
      +8
      80% of Ukrainians want to blame the geyropu. But they don’t know that it’s just a dream come true. They won’t let them go. There are enough of their rogues. And so the wave of crime still lacks these beggars
      1. sisa29
        sisa29 21 December 2015 12: 07 New
        +6
        And what is a visa-free regime? This is a simplified border crossing system. And so I see all this in about this perspective:
        - visa-free regime does not mean that it’s free, most likely at the entrance you will have to pay for the stamp in your passport
        - visa-free regime does not mean that having arrived they will live for years, most likely there will be strict restrictions on the time of arrival, say no more than 3 months a year
        - most likely there will be severe restrictions on work and in case of violation, deportation with bans on further entry

        Although not everything is so bad, a visa-free regime will provide an opportunity, if there is a sudden desire, say, to fly to Paris for the weekend and enjoy the delights of French cuisine ... for the entire annual salary.
        1. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 21 December 2015 16: 26 New
          -1
          Quote: sisa29
          - visa-free regime does not mean that having arrived they will live for years, most likely there will be strict restrictions on the time of arrival, say no more than 3 months a year

          Did you read the article carefully?
          _____________________________________________
          If a visa-free regime is ever introduced, then the same Ukrainian citizens will be limited to 90 days staying on an internal passport in EU countries.
    5. marlin1203
      marlin1203 21 December 2015 09: 39 New
      +6
      And this question always stood. Why a visa-free regime if there is no money? Going to trade yourself? So all the East European "Young Europeans" are doing this there. People with money have not suffered from the visa regime before.
      1. seos
        seos 21 December 2015 12: 53 New
        +2
        Prices for sex services in Europe will fall ...
    6. Samaritan
      Samaritan 21 December 2015 10: 20 New
      +5
      But it’s too much ... but the fact that Ukraine with 90 countries already has a visa-free regime, they somehow forgot ... or do they think that they can walk freely? As the border was, it will remain so, a passport and customs, and it is interesting, but what will they go to?
      Now to eat at any eatery in the EU you need to give 2000 thousand hryvnias for 2 X! Peremoga definitely!
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 21 December 2015 11: 16 New
        +9
        Quote: Samaritan
        As the border was, it will remain so, a passport and customs, and it’s interesting, but what will they go to? Now to eat in any eatery in the EU you need to give 2000 thousand hryvnias for 2 X! Peremoga definitely!

        For them, the main thing is to slip the border into three jumps)))
        The first option (for peaceful) is the intersection of the cardon, the loss of a passport, the loss of memory with the onset of deep amnesia)))
        After that - a ward in a Euro hospital and a freebie porridge with bacon for five years is provided.
        The second option (for violent) - crossing a cardon, committing a crime, obtaining a term under European law and ... freebread porridge with bacon is provided for the same 5 years)))
        Freebie in Europe is happiness for dill!
        1. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 21 December 2015 17: 39 New
          +8
          Dear, you forgot about the third option ... To paint your lips and eyelashes, shave your seat and pretend to be a “persecuted minority”, who came to earn money for a sex change operation ... In Europe, this is fashionable now. Until now, they have not introduced Sharia.
    7. Samaritan
      Samaritan 21 December 2015 10: 21 New
      +1
      But it’s too much ... but the fact that Ukraine with 90 countries already has a visa-free regime, they somehow forgot ... or do they think that they can walk freely? As the border was, it will remain so, a passport and customs, and it is interesting, but what will they go to?
      Now to eat at any eatery in the EU you need to give 2000 thousand hryvnias for 2 X! Peremoga definitely!
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  2. ML-334
    ML-334 21 December 2015 06: 19 New
    +5
    How the hell? For the sake of a visa-free regime they ruined the country. It's a dream and it doesn’t matter that everything is somehow through a dupu. I’m afraid I will have to feed the unreasonable brothers.
    1. Lyton
      Lyton 21 December 2015 06: 37 New
      +3
      Once again, as Mexicans call dill in the EU, European Mexicans cheat; nobody needs horseradish there.
    2. udincev
      udincev 21 December 2015 07: 45 New
      +4
      Quote: ML-334
      I'm afraid I have to feed the foolish brothers.

      Brothers prefer to think that Europeans will feed them.
      1. Voha_krim
        Voha_krim 21 December 2015 11: 51 New
        +4
        Quote: udincev
        Brothers prefer to think that Europeans will feed them.

        I promised and I promise
        That tomorrow morning tea, all of you will be taken to Europe.
        They will cherish you there, cherish
        You can take everything and do nothing.
        Pocket money will naturally be given to you.
        In the meantime, sleep on, non-square.
        May Europe dream of you, a money bag.
        I sang songs and I will sing to you gentle.
        Forever with you!
        Poroshenko Cockerel.
  3. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 21 December 2015 06: 24 New
    +7
    Flight Kiev-Paris round-trip 8000 UAH., The hotel is not quite bomzhatskaya, a week - 12000 UAH. Meals, if pasta week - 7000 UAH. Total 27000 uah The average salary in Ukraine 2000 UAH. Attention, question: why the hell would you have visa-free regime
    Bo 404, tse Europe ... the truth with a naked well, you understand, but a peermog ...
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 21 December 2015 11: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Shiva83483
      Bo 404, tse Europe ... the truth with a naked well, you understand, but a peermog ...


      That's how many "scholars" in Europe will increase .... Ofisdepit. bully
    2. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 21 December 2015 15: 02 New
      0
      removed from Claudia, but I didn’t have time yet! request
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 21 December 2015 06: 29 New
    +5
    Yeah .. for the sake of no visa, how many tires were burned, people were killed ..
  5. Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 21 December 2015 06: 47 New
    +9
    Ah well done EU members. It seems they didn’t refuse, but in the case they sent kaklov on a foot erotic journey, but how culturally ..... wink
  6. samarin1969
    samarin1969 21 December 2015 06: 47 New
    +7
    Yes, let these spoon-washing machines go to the West ... The territory of Ukraine will become cleaner ...
  7. tankovod
    tankovod 21 December 2015 06: 50 New
    +4
    I think the Poles and the Balts will be against it. Ukrainians can occupy their niche as janitors, plumbers and prostitutes, but why do they need competitors? And if people from Ukraine massively tumble down to Europe, so the militias will go on the offensive and occupy the deserted territory, who will fight?
    1. ImPerts
      ImPerts 21 December 2015 06: 57 New
      +4
      I do not think)))
      The Poles work as plumbers in Western Europe, the "lovers of lace panties" have only one opportunity to work in the EU, to take the place of Poles, Czechs, Hungarians who have left for the West.
      Among plumbers, there is also a hierarchy. More profitable places are already occupied by the Young Europeans.
      1. S_last
        S_last 21 December 2015 12: 49 New
        +3
        How many words are said about Poland. Poor and unhappy country. All are plumbers there, and of course they live in poverty, but they simply starve. Or maybe we'll see the numbers, for comparison. How the poor, clogged, crushed and crushed by all Poland lives.
        The minimum wage is set by the state, now 1750 zloty or 403 euros, or to make it clear, 31000 Russian rubles.
        The minimum wage in Russia 5965 rubles per month is also set by the state.
        The average salary in Poland is 3920 zł, or 903 euros, or simply 70000 rubles.

        and of course, without prices, these are all empty numbers


        Sour cream "Friday" 18% fat - 200 g (Śmietana Piątnica 18 proc. 200 g) - 1,16 - 1,69 zł; -
        - Gouda hard cheese - 1 kg (Ser żółty gouda 1 kg) - 10.39 - 21,33 zł;
        - Lovitske milk 3,2% - 1 liter (Mleko Łowickie 1 l - 3,2%) - 2,14 - 3,05 zł;
        - Yogurt Zott Jogobella - 150 gr (Jogurt Zott Jogobella 150 g) - 0,97 - 1,39 zł;
        - White sugar - 1 kg (Cukier biały kryształ 1 kg) - 1,69-2,40 zł;
        - Hanging wheat flour - 1 kg (Mąka pszenna poznańska typ 500 1kg) -1,21 - 2,53 zł:
        - Bananas by weight - 1 kg (Banany 1 kg na wagę) - 2,99-4.24 zloty;
        - Polish apples by weight - 1 kg (Jabłka polskie na wagę 1 kg) - 1,33-2,50 zł;
        - Lemons by weight - 1 kg (Cytryny 1 kg na wagę) - 4,50-6,50 zł;
        - Oranges by weight - 1 kg (Pomarańcze 1 kg na wagę) - 2,10-4,13 zł;
        - Natural ground coffee Tchibo Family - 250 gr (Kawa mielona Tchibo Family 250 g) - 5.25-6,60 zł;
        - Beer Zywiec can - 0,5 liters (Piwo Żywiec puszka 0,5 l) - 2,42-3,29 zloty;
        - Orange juice Tymbark - cardboard 1 liter (Sok pomarańczowy Tymbark 1l karton) - 2.89-3.99 zł;
        - Kuyavsky sunflower oil - 1 liter (Olej Kujawski 1 l) - 4,95 - 6,10 zł;
        - Extra butter - pack of 200 gr (Masło extra kostka 200g) - 1,98-3,80 zł;
        - Dishwashing liquid Ludwik - 1 liter, mint (Płyn do zmywania naczyń Ludwik 1 l miętowy) - 3,49-5,00 zł;
        - Toothpaste Colgate Herbal - 125 ml (Pasta do zębów Colgate Herbal 125 ml) - 3,00 - 5,53 zł;
        - Soap Daf - a piece of 100 g (Mydło Dove - kostka 100 g) - 2,48-3,50 zł;
        - Shampoo for hair Timotei - 250 ml (Szampon do włosów Timotei 250 ml) - 4,24-5,55 zł;
        - Laundry detergent Vizir - 400 g (Proszek do prania Vizir 400g) - 4,45-6,80 zloty;
        - Toilet paper - packaging of 8 rolls (Papier toaletowy - opak. 8 rolek) - 1,22-2,60 zł;
        - Ketchup Pudlischi - 430 g (Ketchup Pudliszki 430 g) - 2,66-3,80 zł;
        - Sausage "Podzawielskaya" weighted, 80% meat - 1 kg (Kiełbasa podwawelska na wagę - 80 proc. Mięsa) - 10,00-14,00 zł;
        - Raw chicken 1 kg (Kurczak cały 1 kg) - 5,90-7,00 zł;
        - Tenderloin pork tenderloin - 1 kg (Schab bez kości 1 kg) - 10,29-12,95 zł;
        - Herring fillet in oil - packing 650 g (filety śledziowe w oleju 650 g) - 9,69-11,00 zł;
        - Live carp 1 kg (Karp żywy - 1 kg) - 10,00 - 14,00 zł; - Potatoes by weight - 1 kg (Ziemniaki na wagę 1 kg) - 0,70-1,50 zł;
        - Tomatoes by weight - 1 kg (Pomidory na wagę 1 kg) - 1,98-4,00 zł;
        - Sweet red pepper by weight - 1 kg (Papryka czerwona 1 kg na wagę) - 5,90-8,20 zł;
        - Champignons by weight - 1 kg (Pieczarki 1 kg na wagę) - 4,44-6,00 zł;
        - “Kaiserki” buns - 1 piece 50 g (Bułka kajzerka 50 g) - 0,14-0,24 zloty;
        - Vadel milk chocolate - 100 g (Czekolada mleczna Wedel 100 g) - 1,97-2,75 zł.
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 21 December 2015 13: 06 New
          +2
          [quote = S_last] S_last [/ Quote]
          Great numbers!
          Prices for products, as in the Russian Federation, and zp we have 3 times lower!
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          2. Rosty
            Rosty 21 December 2015 18: 45 New
            +3
            Take an interest in the rent and the price of gas. Tip
            1. S_last
              S_last 21 December 2015 20: 05 New
              +3
              One bedroom apartment of about 50 sq.m. in a large city in the region of 350 zlotys (6300 rubles)
              Gasoline 95, 4,29 PLN liter (77 rubles)
          3. ZKB
            ZKB 21 December 2015 23: 54 New
            0
            and taxes ...
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        2. Olezhek
          Olezhek 21 December 2015 16: 18 New
          +3
          The average salary in Poland is 3920 zł, or 903 euros, or simply 70000 rubles.


          Colleague, do not engage in propaganda.
          If everything in Poland is like a bundle, then that the people are pushing the shaft to Western Europe?
          Well, why?
          And the left numbers do not need copy-paste sheets.
          Do not occupy space.
          1. S_last
            S_last 21 December 2015 17: 06 New
            +3
            I apologize for the space. In the EU, in different places they feed differently, but everyone wants to eat as good as possible. That knocked down, but that does not mean that they were starving at home. By the way, Russians are also abundant in Europe.
            By the way, about felled please explain.
            Poland, in 2013 70 thousand people emigrated.
            Sorry for 2014 did not find.
            Russia, in 2014 about 250 thousand people emigrated.
            How do these data relate to the whole bundle and the people are falling?
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 21 December 2015 17: 40 New
              +7
              Quote: S_last
              Russia, in 2014 about 250 thousand people emigrated.

              a quarter of a million, a fairly serious figure. This does not take into account who constantly lives in Europe, but has Russian citizenship.
              Quote: Olezhek
              And the left numbers do not need copy-paste sheets.

              Do you want to compare the standard of living here and there?
              Try it, a shock of consciousness awaits you yes
              1. Olezhek
                Olezhek 21 December 2015 20: 06 New
                +2
                Do you want to compare the standard of living here and there?


                Comrades Ukrainians - you have already gotten a few.
                Knowledge of the Russian language does not give the right to make the brain any garbage.
                1. goblin xnumx
                  goblin xnumx 21 December 2015 21: 29 New
                  +4
                  does not infa creep into the formatted gray matter? :) and immediately burps it - earlier on the site there was more tolerance for opinions, it was slipping to censor- sorry :)
              2. a housewife
                a housewife 22 December 2015 00: 18 New
                0
                Is there a high standard of living? Yes, and ... let them first eat up their tolerance and at the same time die out due to "rainbow". Turkeys with geese are also well fed before the New Year.
            2. Rivares
              Rivares 23 December 2015 20: 26 New
              0
              Quote: S_last
              Poland, in 2013 70 thousand people emigrated.
              Sorry for 2014 did not find.
              Russia, in 2014 about 250 thousand people emigrated.
              How do these data relate to the whole bundle and the people are falling?

              the population of Poland is 37,995 million. emigration 0,18%
              Russia 143,975 million emigration 0,17%
              Emigration of Poland = emigration of Russia.
          2. Chaplain
            Chaplain 22 December 2015 19: 15 New
            +3
            The figure is a colleague, maybe the left one, but: while the fat one dries, the thin one dies. And it’s good in Russia, there are a number of small cities of millionaires, such as matzah, St. Starburgh and a few others. The rest of Russia is dying out at an accelerated pace. Give for example the average S / P in Moscow. And in the Tver region, it varies from 9000 to somewhere around 15000 r.m., excluding Tver, Rzhev, Torzhok. Where the salary ranges from 20000 to 30000 r.m. there are working enterprises there. The minimum is about 5000 r.m. Utility payments at the moment are about 5000-6000 r.m, and also the lack of medicine, roads, police and communications. And they are going to introduce a tax on well water !!!!
            It was necessary to see the faces of people who left LDNR for us in the town of Andreapol. Most of the arrivals looked at all this and fell out of love with the Russian world and went somewhere. The same situation was with the Baltic states in the 90s.
            Order must be put in place in the country, then it will be possible to talk about the Russian World and the return of territories.
            P.S. In the meantime, I don’t need to talk about propaganda. I live, I see.
        3. Andrey Skokovsky
          Andrey Skokovsky 21 December 2015 18: 41 New
          +3
          Quote: S_last
          How many words are said about Poland. Poor and unhappy country. All are plumbers there, and of course they live in poverty, but they simply starve. Or maybe we'll see the numbers, for comparison. How the poor, clogged, crushed and crushed by all Poland lives.
          The minimum wage is set by the state, now 1750 zloty or 403 euros, or to make it clear, 31000 Russian rubles.
          The minimum wage in Russia 5965 rubles per month is also set by the state.
          The average salary in Poland is 3920 zlotys, or 903 euros, or simply 70000 rubles ...........

          especially for you video, watch and think about how you will live when all these debts have to be paid.

          you are specially fed so that you dance to someone else’s tune, and you see nothing except prices,
          the salary that you indicate for Russia is complete nonsense, we have cleaners in 2-3 times more,
          and it’s not worth comparing such figures today, but the dollar exchange rate has changed but we in Russia haven’t begun to live worse times 2
          watch a better video and think about the near future, by the way the old tsiferki, from 2012g .....
          1. S_last
            S_last 21 December 2015 19: 46 New
            +2
            I will argue with pleasure, only a request, to cite the figures as arguments.
            What about salaries and did not understand what is written is not right? You are confused by the number 5965, you can check, it is not difficult. By the way, I didn’t indicate where in Russia that everyone receives such a salary. This figure only indicates the minimum possible wage. And there are such people, nurses, watchmen, janitors, etc. Of course, those who receive a higher payment are much more. I did not cite the average salary in Russia, but if you wish, please, about 33000, according to the government.
            And I advise you not to watch these informative films, their benefits are zero. I already saw enough of them about 15 years ago. And indeed, what is the difference between capitalism of the West and capitalism of Russia or capitalism of the East? And debts, debts are bad, but on the other hand, only Rosneft has 2.5 trillion debts, I think we will catch up and drive west, it seems like they said eleven years ago.
          2. goblin xnumx
            goblin xnumx 21 December 2015 21: 35 New
            +7
            the salary of a firefighter fighter (not a drover) –– an employee– 13–15 thousand (from length of service) –– the cleaning lady in the unit –– 7–8 thousand comes- maybe where the cleaners get 20 threads in the Gazprom industry — maybe, but not in simple cities, in the store sellers for 10 thousand how they worked like this work and with a depreciated ruble, in large markets, up to 30 I agree, in cities with a population of one million, and we have all cities with a population of millions? First-aid paramedics (comrades) - 20-22 - and if a couple once you come out between shifts (processing) - what can I say, say - Ukrainian agent with pieces of silver from America :)
          3. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 21 December 2015 23: 13 New
            +3
            Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
            the salary that you indicate for Russia is complete nonsense, we have cleaners in 2-3 times more,

            Where do you live? In the looking glass?
            Cleaners in the Central Federal District receive 5-7tyrs!
            Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
            and it’s not worth comparing such figures today, but the dollar exchange rate has changed but we in Russia haven’t begun to live worse times 2

            Please, tell us in more detail how we began to live? And tell me how much better?
  8. knn54
    knn54 21 December 2015 06: 53 New
    22
    Visa cost ~ $ 40. For the sake of such "economy" they ruined the country's economy.
    In the meantime, corruption and the glorification of Nazi henchmen in the country cannot be seen in Europe.
    PS Or maybe they jumped unconvincingly ...
    1. Lyudmila Shagaeva
      Lyudmila Shagaeva 21 December 2015 07: 27 New
      +1
      knn54: "Or maybe they jumped unconvincingly ..." They wanted lace panties for free. You won’t jump in Europe.
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 21 December 2015 06: 54 New
    0
    (if cancellation occurs at all)

    Which is most likely. Liked a comment on Twitter
    ... why the hell are you visa-free?
  10. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 21 December 2015 06: 56 New
    +2
    Only one question, but what kind of shishi go to Europe? There is no money to reach Europe itself, and even as a tourist with torn pockets hitchhiking lol
  11. Name
    Name 21 December 2015 06: 58 New
    +3
    Yeah, they jump again, but you don’t get used to dill (warmer blood circulation and all that), and Monday came 21, the number following 20 ... Here it is a rainy day of the calendar for the EU, right now, how will the citizens from Ruin break through to them by default .. .Although the rubbish and the waste for refugees whose caressed and warmed someone should pick up ...
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    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 December 2015 07: 30 New
      13
      Quote: Zeppelin ml.
      ... Let’s restrainedly rejoice for xoxlov) 20-30 euros will be saved on visa fees

      Yes, we rejoice, rejoice, they have victories and rod laughing
      1. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 21 December 2015 08: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        they win and rod

        and closer to NG the list will replenish with something else. New Year's speech PRS, as I understand it, in general should cause Svidomo orgasm ...
        1. ImPerts
          ImPerts 21 December 2015 08: 46 New
          +3
          Quote: Zeppelin ml.
          and closer to NG the list will be replenished with something else

          Of course it will be added!
          And in 2016, according to IMF requirements, there will be even more good news!
          Do you need to reduce costs?
          It should!
          Do you need to adjust tariffs for the population to the Central European?
          It should!
          Do you have to fight corruption?
          It should!
          And all these are necessary conditions for a visa-free regime.
          And then there was the deputy minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs at customs with a suitcase of money caught ...
          1. Zeppelin ml.
            Zeppelin ml. 21 December 2015 09: 28 New
            +1
            Quote: ImPerts
            Do you need to adjust tariffs for the population to the Central European?
            It should!

            yes, as I understand it, the xox power is pushing its subjects into illegal labor migration.
  13. Masya masya
    Masya masya 21 December 2015 07: 28 New
    +4
    Again we waved a carrot in front of our nose, come we are waiting for you, only we are not at home ...
  14. Born in USSR
    Born in USSR 21 December 2015 07: 29 New
    -8
    Why fly it. Let them go on tanks and so on. Arabs will be someone to drive if Che. Comrades will go in the forefront. Although, by mentality, they pull the current to the kmand probe. They would rob and defenseless shoot them yes. And to fight neither, nor. As proved in the Second World War.
    1. kagorta
      kagorta 21 December 2015 08: 09 New
      16
      For the Ukrainians who died heroes in the Red Army, I would give you a wise, smart, visionary, neat bunch of minuses
  15. Zomanus
    Zomanus 21 December 2015 07: 34 New
    +4
    As for me, the coming of Ukrainians to Europe will be worse than the invasion of the Tatar-Mongols in Russia.
    In stores, shelves with used products,
    everything was stolen, even that which is nailed and dug two meters into the ground.
    Apparently, Europe suggests something similar, after the Romanian invasion.
    Yes, and managed to study the Ukrainians over these couple of years ...
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 21 December 2015 11: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: Zomanus
      As for me, the coming of Ukrainians to Europe will be worse than the invasion of the Tatar-Mongols in Russia. In stores, shelves with bitten products, everything is stolen, even what is nailed and dug two meters into the ground. Apparently, Europe suggests something similar after the invasion Romanian. Yes, and managed to study the Ukrainians over the past couple of years ...

      The first signs of the abolition of a visa-free regime with Ukraine ...
  16. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 21 December 2015 07: 35 New
    0
    Well, it is clear that this EU decision is purely political, so that those who do not want to realize the essence of it understand only the fact that they can be in the EU, and without visas! And since there are such concessions, then there is only one step left to paradise?
  17. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 21 December 2015 07: 37 New
    +3
    To be honest, I didn’t understand what they were promised there ..? In my opinion, once again, nothing. request
    1. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 21 December 2015 07: 54 New
      +6
      Quote: Observer 33
      To be honest, I didn’t understand what they were promised there ..? In my opinion, once again, nothing. request

      How nothing? laughing
  18. Siberian-2016
    Siberian-2016 21 December 2015 07: 38 New
    0
    The jumps were wrong ... So it turned out wrong ...
  19. Aleksander
    Aleksander 21 December 2015 07: 40 New
    +6
    Everything is written correctly in the article, but at the same time, and not quite. After the abolition of "visa-free" in Moldova, the number of departures increased factor of and precisely for the purpose of working and earning and staying there. And very many succeed — if you find yourself a job there and conclude a contract — you can stay as long as you like (for example, caring for someone, a driver, etc.), then documents are submitted for permanent residence .. The same applies and study. There is also seasonal work — when you can earn money for 90 days in six months, and in the next six months — again to earn money. So there is certainly a benefit. Theoretically, yes, financial support and a goal, etc., may be asked at the border, but in practice, you show your passport and the road is open. It is clear that for the purpose of tourism, percent 5% leaves ....
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 21 December 2015 08: 08 New
      0
      Quote: Aleksander
      for example, caring for someone, a driver, etc.

      I faintly imagine the orderly Moldavian in the Austrian hospice.
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    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 21 December 2015 09: 03 New
      0
      Oh well, she will sit, how can laughing They won "Mein kampf" re-read, getting ready laughing You can’t take these with one tolerance, here is something that is seriously necessary laughing
      1. Riv
        Riv 21 December 2015 14: 35 New
        +1
        What about Mine Kampf? Hitler considered France the main enemy of Germany. The problem is that few people read this book.
  21. Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg 21 December 2015 07: 53 New
    +4
    Well done Ukrainians. They achieved the most important thing - it is easier to hit the road from your home country to work. Here it is the true goal of the Maidan and they achieved it! Pensioners are especially happy about the visa-free regime. Soon we will see tens of thousands of pensioners walking around the Champs Elysees in embroidered shirts. They will join thousands of Moldovan brothers.
  22. anfreezer
    anfreezer 21 December 2015 07: 57 New
    +1
    “If at least one of the EU countries has doubts about the expediency of canceling visas for Georgians and Ukrainians, then the visa regime will continue until the next meeting on the same issue.” By next summer, migrants in the tower of theirs "tolerant" will so insist in the literal and figurative sense (I hope wink ), that I think that they will not only have doubts, but will have a clear conviction not to do this .. I think that in their minds the border between the Arab-African and East European barbarians will be erased .. as they say, being determines consciousness, but their life will be unsweetened, oh, unsweetened ..
  23. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 21 December 2015 08: 23 New
    +1
    So ugly to throw the whole country! What progress has come to!
  24. Neophyte
    Neophyte 21 December 2015 08: 29 New
    +1
    Upon receipt of news about the abolition of visas, a festive hysteria began in Kiev. Kiev, wearing lace panties (among them, Klitschko and Lyashko were noticed), joyfully, with tears in their eyes, sang the anthem of Ukraine!
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 21 December 2015 08: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Neophyte
      joyfully, with tears in their eyes, sang the anthem of Ukraine!

      not Ukraine. "Ode to Joy" of old Ludwig Vanych - EU anthem ("Ode to Joy",
      Ukrainian relocation Mikoli Lukash)
    2. ImPerts
      ImPerts 21 December 2015 09: 05 New
      0
      Quote: Neophyte
      ... sang the anthem of Ukraine!

      Promising to bring the wisdom of 140 of a thousand-year history to the underdeveloped countries of Western Europe.
  25. aszzz888
    aszzz888 21 December 2015 08: 53 New
    +2
    Petska from Roshen, in the photo, a campaign from a global hangover!
    And in the left hand - a corkscrew from a bottle, forgot to leave. So, bastard, and with a corkscrew in a geyropu get! fellow
  26. VeterS
    VeterS 21 December 2015 09: 02 New
    +1
    Well, lucky brothers in mind!
  27. morpogr
    morpogr 21 December 2015 10: 00 New
    +5
    How all the same, it is cleverly possible to beat in words another deception for the maydanutye. Those who are still adequate and do not look ukromi have long understood that only those who benefit from the money and will be able to export the loot without problems to Europe will benefit from this. And the rest will only in theory know that there is a desire to leave but there is no possibility. Without money, nobody in FIG needs you there.
    1. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 21 December 2015 18: 02 New
      +1
      I don’t know what the author specifically wanted to say with this drawing, but it seems as if the normal ones are visiting freely with each other, and they keep the exuberant in a straitjacket and chain ... request
  28. eugraphus
    eugraphus 21 December 2015 10: 05 New
    +1
    The sooner a visa-free regime is introduced, the sooner able-bodied Ukrainians will roll into the EU. The more they leave for the EU, the less tax collection will be in Ukraine. The less taxes collected, the nothing will pay social benefits. The less social benefits, the worse the standard of living in the country. The worse this level, the more ukrov will leave Ukraine and more will die out. In my opinion this road is one way.
  29. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 21 December 2015 10: 32 New
    +1
    EU members again hollowed out ukrov. laughing
  30. fa2998
    fa2998 21 December 2015 10: 43 New
    +7
    Quote: Born in the USSR
    They would rob and defenseless shoot them yes. And to fight neither, nor. As proved in the Second World War.

    You know, my maternal grandfather was also born in the USSR. He has a Ukrainian nationality in the Red Army book. From the “Second World War” he came with an iconostasis of orders and medals, and after the war he earned a medal for the restoration of mines.
    You should be careful with the words. Grandfather was captured 3 times (and escaped) and 4 times wounded — HE PROVED ALL !!! hi
  31. Indifferent
    Indifferent 21 December 2015 10: 45 New
    0
    But I hope that the right-wingers have plundered, have mimicked the good in the east. Now they have money. So they will go to Europe to "please"!
    I'm just glad. There, they quickly get together in an organized criminal group and begin to "amuse" the entire Geyropa. Just all Ukrainian evil spirits and will leave to the west, and normal people are always poor. They will stay. True, they will have to switch to subsistence farming in order to survive. And the fact that Ukraine is already dying out is a fact. It will only get worse.
  32. rus-5819
    rus-5819 21 December 2015 10: 51 New
    +1
    Flight Kiev-Paris round-trip 8000 UAH., The hotel is not quite bomzhatskaya, a week - 12000 UAH. Meals, if pasta week - 7000 UAH. Total 27000 uah The average salary in Ukraine 2000 UAH. Attention, question: why the hell would you have visa-free regime

    Roads are not a gift, but attention!

    If a visa-free regime is ever introduced, then the same Ukrainian citizens will be limited to 90 days staying on an internal passport in EU countries. At the same time, it is immediately added that such citizens will not be able to work in the EU.

    Why should powders and yatsenyuham work? They have already "killed" themselves.
  33. fa2998
    fa2998 21 December 2015 10: 53 New
    +1
    And who needs a "tourist regime" lasting 90 days. I think such trips can be affordable in Ukraine - a unit. This is a scam, to leave and get a job you need to pay again, and a lot. And it’s written with a fork, any EU country can disrupt " I’ll be able to. " hi
    1. S_last
      S_last 21 December 2015 13: 24 New
      +1
      Think or Know? You can take statistics, of course, look for laziness, but for a change, Turkey and Egypt, so beloved by us.
      Turkey was visited until September, inclusively, by 588 thousand Ukrainian tourists.
      Egypt for the same period 275 thousand.
      Of course, this is less than the Russians, of which only one and a half million visited Turkey over the same period.
  34. atlantida04
    atlantida04 21 December 2015 10: 56 New
    0
    As if the Arabs were not shoved into Ukraine by millions
  35. WHEEL
    WHEEL 21 December 2015 11: 17 New
    -1
    Quote: atlantida04
    As if the Arabs were not shoved into Ukraine by millions

    and they won’t sit there, they’ll rush to Moscow all at once.
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 22 December 2015 00: 13 New
      0
      Why would they go to Moscow? We are bad! Let them go to Germany also to Poland.
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  36. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 21 December 2015 11: 25 New
    0
    Quote: Lyudmila Shagaeva
    knn54: "Or maybe they jumped unconvincingly ..." They wanted lace panties for free. You won’t jump in Europe.

    Well, why, jump, without lace panties ....
  37. Victor-M
    Victor-M 21 December 2015 11: 38 New
    +2
    In addition, the Moldovan authorities signed a document in which they pledged not to violate (read - promote) the rights of representatives of the LGBT community

    They decided to let the serfs temporarily go for a walk in the master's apartments, in return for permanent residence, in their own house of serfs, LGBT animals. Good, equal deal. laughing
  38. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 21 December 2015 12: 56 New
    0
    Reforms in Ukraine are carried out by "our" people. The main thing is not to bother them, they will kill everything themselves. It seems that they are all regular customers of a psychiatric hospital. Joke on the topic:
    Head Physician:
    - Bonuses will be paid only for regular patients.
    Pathologist:
    - I got in.
  39. Belousov
    Belousov 21 December 2015 12: 57 New
    0
    Well, well, well, the noble peremogue here laughing It seems that the EU promised a carrot, but it seems that it didn’t take a step closer good
  40. Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg 21 December 2015 13: 21 New
    0
    Ukrainian military enlistment offices will now look for conscripts throughout the EU.
  41. bad
    bad 21 December 2015 15: 34 New
    0
    German journalists confirm that visas for citizens of Georgia and Ukraine can be canceled in the summer or autumn of 2016, and in the event that all countries of the European Union, without exception, support the European Commission. If at least one of the EU countries has doubts about the expediency of abolishing visas for Georgians and Ukrainians, then the visa regime will continue to operate - until the next meetings on the same issue.
    ..have you too much? .. dill didn’t eat that they again stroked on the ... ass .. laughing
  42. Lord of Wrath
    Lord of Wrath 21 December 2015 16: 16 New
    +1
    The people I bastard with you))) Why so much hatred and anger? It feels like I got on the brainless version of the censor.
    This article is an example of how to find the negative side in a purely positive thing.
    Still start to moan that the Turks living in Germany will be able to visa-free travel to Ukraine with the aim of terrorist attacks
  43. BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 21 December 2015 18: 06 New
    +1
    And my opinion is that ... In no case should the great Ukrainians be allowed to leave to work in Europe for permanent residence. The more great people leave and remain there, the cleaner Ukraine will become. And just the Ukrainians will remain in it.
  44. Rosty
    Rosty 21 December 2015 18: 13 New
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    And what about the plastic card that will replace the internal passport? Where will the bank card, rights, etc. be integrated? Is the project still in Skolkovo? A very convenient tool that will reduce the number of officials at all levels. Car license, honey. insurance and book, bank card, etc. entered into a single data system. And this is already more than one year in the EU. It works conveniently. Less paperwork, less time for processing information. A simple example - an ambulance picks up a patient unconscious, but there is an id card. From it you can immediately find out who it is, what was sick, what is allergic to, contact your doctor (unified database), is there honey. insurance. It is convenient, it is beneficial to both people and the state. And in Russia this project was also announced. I did not quite understand the banter about this in the article.
  45. Sir1966
    Sir1966 21 December 2015 18: 54 New
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    Quote: mihasik
    Quote: heal
    Actually, it’s not quite like that:
    Gynecologist - Gynecologist
    Parachutists - Parachutitsi
    Lighter - Igniter
    Butterfly - Metelik
    Count - Porahui

    Actually, there’s a bunch of adverbs. In Western Ukraine they say one thing, in the Center and the East in another. So the pronunciation options are different.
    1992 passing through the Lviv region, very surprised laughing names of towns and villages! For example, such:
    Pidrishchi
    Muzhilovichi (still clickable on the map)
    Interestingly, even then, the EU prepared, judging by the names? lol

    Well, there is still laughter: the staircase is the Dobyna, the stool is the fiddler, the dragonfly is the crook, the blinking will be stupid, the airfield will be the lethargy.
  46. Teplohod
    Teplohod 21 December 2015 20: 17 New
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    That’s why I respect Europeans, for this ability to make money out of nothing. We allow you to come to us and spend your pennies. And they present it as a service, but the people laid their lives for this and trampled the country. Saved like on a visa, anyway, then you will spend this savings there. Reminds the divorce of customers from the movie "The Wolf of Wall Street." For some, it’s really possible to “see Paris and starve to death”. Just why Paris, and not Rio de Janeiro for example? I can imagine how in the future, everyone up to the last Ukrainian will begin to brag and say: “You have not seen anything except your Bugulma and the world!” Ukrainians need to go to Holland, there they will teach you how to drive for a couple of sticks, then you can teach the same Ukrapatriots for the same price, then everyone will be taxed at the station if they don’t die of starvation and exhaustion at driving lessons.
  47. Axon
    Axon 21 December 2015 20: 22 New
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    This is a perep ... oops, perezrad.
  48. little man
    little man 21 December 2015 21: 51 New
    +1
    when Yanukovych escaped and Julia left in a wheelchair on the Maidan stage, I asked a former compatriot who now lives in Kiev: "And now what?" He replied: "And now we are in Europe !!!" They sincerely believed in it. Then they began to demolish the monuments to Lenin. When the monument to Kutuzov was demolished, I asked: "What does Kutuzov have to do with it?" Countryman replied: "Ostap suffered ... If not Kutuzov, we’ve been in Europe for 200 years!" After the "Krymnash", he stopped talking to me. And recently he wrote, which surprised me very much that everything is wonderful with them and especially highlighted that there is no right sector on the streets of Kiev. I can only rejoice for them. But, for some reason, when I decided to visit, he replied that it was better on a tour, and he could not accept me ...
  49. mivail
    mivail 21 December 2015 22: 36 New
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    Quote: heal
    Actually, it’s not quite like that:
    Gynecologist - Gynecologist
    Parachutists - Parachutitsi
    Lighter - Igniter
    Butterfly - Metelik
    Count - Porahui

    Inspired by childhood memories, We think-melt-mete.- We shake -...
  50. dzeredzavkomimu
    dzeredzavkomimu 22 December 2015 00: 22 New
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    let them scratch already, they’ve gotten stuck, they’ll dilute the Negroes and Arabs even there