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The state before the war. To "mobilization repressions" in Kazakhstan

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In Kazakhstan, the former Prime Minister Serik Akhmetov was sentenced: 10 years with confiscation. For embezzlement of public funds.


The case of Akhmetov is interesting in that it is not a classic struggle of clans within the government, as was the case with Tymoshenko in Ukraine or with Filat in Moldova. Akhmetov was a graduate of the system. He passed the way from akim (mayor) Temirtau to the Prime Minister. Interestingly, the sentence concerns embezzlement during his work in the Karaganda region. That is, either by going to work in the republican government, Akhmetov stopped the embezzlement, or it was not possible to prove it.

This case is very significant. Because the structure of power in Kazakhstan is more similar to the Russian than to the Ukrainian or Moldovan. And to draw analogies with Tymoshenko or Filat is wrong. Because they are based on completely different processes. In Astana, as in Moscow, all influential economic and political groups are equally approximate or equidistant from the head of state, who is the arbiter of intraelite relations. All groups are somehow tied to the head of state. Open conflict or subversive activity against the central government is fraught with deprivation of business and positions.

Internal elite conflict as an economic phenomenon

However, the Akhmetov incident shows us completely new processes that will be an uptrend in the very near future. 10 years with confiscation of the pupil of the system is a serious bell for the entire vertical of power and all elite groups. This means that the state system has switched to the mode of self-clearance of elites as a result of the struggle for resources. Government revenues are plummeting, while the appetites of the elite stratum remain the same. Accordingly, the relationship sharpens. What could the indulgence of the economic appetites of the elites, we could see on the example of the Ukrainian crisis.

The economic model of Kazakhstan, like Russia, fell into a similar trap of a systemic crisis. The state concentrated industrial capital mainly only in the oil and gas industry, while the rest of the industrial sectors are controlled by private capital. Only FPGs are engaged in metal, gold - another pool of oligarchs, and still others are engaged in coal. Private industrial capital is interested in the fastest possible incomes, so it prefers to sell raw materials. Accordingly, prices for raw materials began to fall - and private capital reduces activity and displays value added in foreign currency and foreign accounts. This causes a devaluation - the tenge collapses synchronously with the ruble. The movement of elites to their capital begins. Moreover, the personal movement of the Kazakhstani elitarians is clearly directed to the movement of their capital - towards Britain, Switzerland and offshore. Already today, the Kazakhstan business diaspora has taken the third largest place in London, after the business diasporas of Russia and Ukraine.

In the current economic conditions, the state simply cannot afford the costs of feeding all elite groups. A further drop in oil and gas revenues will confront the state with a choice: it will be necessary to sacrifice the interests of either the private capital of the elites, or state revenues, or personal savings and incomes of the masses. With the price of oil at 30 dollars per barrel, the budget will not be able to feed both citizens and financial-industrial groups. In the Kazakhstan case specifically, the crisis will be exacerbated by the recent accession to the WTO.

State in the reaction period


10 years with confiscation for the Prime Minister and a graduate of the Akhmetov system is an indication that the state in the crisis will act tough and stop any activity. Moreover, the activity is both corrupt and political.

Almost simultaneously with Prime Minister Akhmetov in Kazakhstan, Yermek Taichibekov was sentenced to 4 years of imprisonment. With Yermek I happened to be familiar and communicate in social networks. At the center of Taychibekov’s political platform was the idea of ​​uniting Kazakhstan and Russia into a single state and the provision that Kazakhs and Russian are one people, but different ethnic groups. Actually, this platform became the basis for recognizing Taychibekov guilty of inciting "interethnic hostility."

Interestingly, a similar sentence to Taychibekov was recently received by blogger Sychev from the Kazakh city of Ridder, who made Vkontakte a survey on the possible accession of Northern Kazakhstan to Russia. In Alma-Ata, Kazakh nationalists Serikzhan Mambetalin and Yermek Narymbaev are now being tried for political ideas directly opposed to the imperial ideas of Taichibekov. That is, the state in Kazakhstan is evolving into a pre-war, mobilization regime, when a political position, different from the state, is viewed as a potential threat. Moreover, the signal was sent both to business and political elites, and to the media class: journalists, political scientists, social activists and experts.

Russia in the mirror of Kazakhstan


Such cases would be completely internal affairs of Kazakhstan, if they did not relate to relations with Russia. The fact is that the Crimean precedent and the Ukrainian crisis launched political processes of a comparative nature. Kazakhstan, like Ukraine, is a state that emerged on the basis of the Soviet Republic. Which was created by the method of political economy and class design as a result of the Bolshevik party discussions, when national borders had no meaning. So, the first capital of Kazakhstan was Orenburg. And the Kazakhs until the middle of the 20-s were called Kyrgyz-Kaisaks.

Kazakhstan, as well as Ukraine, Belarus and Georgia with Armenia and Azerbaijan, at the time of registration of statehood was considered as a non-class and, accordingly, international project. That is why, in fact, all ethno-national conflicts, starting from Karabakh and ending with the Donbas, happened.

National statehood enters into conflict with the socio-economic and ethno-geographical reality. Indeed, residents of Northern Kazakhstan are often more integrated with cities and regions of the Russian Federation than within the republic itself. Uralsk with Samara, Aktyubinsk with Orenburg, East Kazakhstan region with Altai Territory. Accordingly, there is the illusion that the country is one and the borders are superfluous. Similar processes, by the way, were observed among the residents of bordering Kharkov, Donetsk, Lugansk and Sumy regions.

However, in reality, citizens of the Union of the Russian Federation in the CSTO and the EAU of the republics are in the zone of national legislation. And, accordingly, within the framework of the national political agenda. Which, for example, in Kazakhstan does not imply any discussion about integration, except for the economic one. Moreover, the issue of political rhetoric of integration with the Russian Federation is a privilege of the central government. And any initiative, let alone a deviation from the central line, is perceived as a threat to the system.

This is neither good nor bad. This is how any state machine works in the face of external threats and a declining economy. Especially in a situation where the anti-crisis program is built on the idea that sooner or later the price of oil and gas will be restored.

Therefore, it can be predicted that as the economic situation worsens, contradictions between the state, elite groups, and the masses will increase. The elite stratum will demand liberal reforms from the state, the masses will be inclined to social democratic and socialist changes. Accordingly, nationalist-rightist sentiments will grow, which will support elite groups in the masses in order to extinguish socialist-leftist expectations.

The state, as always before the world war, is likely to respond with increased repression in all directions. Serik Akhmetov, Yermek Taychibekov, Serikzhan Mambetalin - these are only the first swallows. The worse the situation in the economy, the tougher the state will act.

And all this would be an internal affair of Kazakhstan, if Astana were not our second most important ally after Minsk. Moreover, given the geographical location, Kazakhstan today is a kind of "body armor" of the Russian Federation in Central Asia.

The north of Kazakhstan, Alma-Ata and other large cities are populated en masse by Russians, who in conditions of internal conflict may well be designated as scapegoats, as is sometimes the case even in the regions of the Russian Federation, not to mention the former Soviet republics. This scenario is likely if the elite stratum succeeds in fighting with the central government for access to financial flows to pump up nationalist sentiments. The elites will argue with the central authorities by saying that in this way the discontent of the masses can be solved.

Supporters of Russia and the federal TV


And here the Russian Federation has a very serious choice to make, especially at the level of propaganda and agitation. Being critically dependent on the allies, modern Russia can in no way influence the internal political agenda of the allies. There are no lobbying pro-Russian groups inside the parliaments of Kazakhstan and Belarus. Just like in the State Duma and the Federation Council there are no lobbyists of Kazakhstan and Belarus.

In the CSTO, the EAU and the Union State, citizens live in two realities. And one of these realities is created by the Russian federal media and especially television. Which replaces the allied media to us today, because people living in the Union want to have an allied media space.

The active militarization of the Russian media 2014-2015, naturally affects the political space of the Union State, the EAU and the CSTO. "Our Crimea", the war in the Donbass, the conflict with Turkey, the intervention in Syria were the central media trends not only in the Russian Federation. The militarization of media space naturally leads to the fact that viewers are forced to decide on whose side they are. And if the support of the Russian authorities inside the Russian Federation does not threaten the citizens, then a demonstration of loyalty to the actions of Moscow can turn into real terms and arrests for the citizens of Kazakhstan and other EAU and CSTO republics.

As the experience of the Ukrainian crisis showed us, excessive activity on social networks, Russian television often became the basis for the detention, arrest and burning of Ukrainian citizens in Kharkov, Kiev, Odessa, Zaporozhye and Dnepropetrovsk. Oles Buzin was killed at all. They are pursuing not only Ukrainian citizens. Thus, in the Odessa SIZO, a citizen of the Russian Federation Nefedov, sitting on 2 in May, is one of those who was not burned in the House of Trade Unions and is now being tried. At the last court session, the accused Nefedov opened his veins in protest.

It is necessary to clearly realize: the federal mass media created in the Russian Federation and especially television is an extremely effective propaganda tool. Both within the Russian Federation and outside.

However, according to the laws of dialectics weapon it is double edged. And it can play a very bad joke with sympathizers of Russia in Kazakhstan and other republics. Because no tendency to ease the reaction from the state is not expected. Moreover, in Russia itself, it will also increase.

Therefore, each of us has a task not only to be ready for shocks, but also to save our like-minded people as much as possible. Especially from the union republics.

Therefore, Russia's task is to support the Allied regimes as much as they strengthen the state. That is, if an ally has an oligarchization of politics within it, a multi-vector approach and the activity of foreign special services, then such a regime can be completely set free. Moreover, the Russian Federation can afford bilateral integration relations with any ally, as is happening today in the framework of the union state with Belarus.

Because if the economy collapses, and after it the state in the Russian Federation, it will inevitably cover everyone around the perimeter from Moldova to Mongolia. And if the Russian Federation maintains a capable state, then there will be a chance to integrate allies or their fragments and continue to act as arbiter.

No matter how cynical it may sound, imperialism works in the context of world wars. Only those allies that are able to survive and fight as autonomously as possible, consuming as few resources as possible, are important. The rest will be sacrificed, as, for example, the Allies in the Entente sacrificed the Russian Empire in the First World War.

Therefore, the transition of the state in the reaction mode is inevitable. The worse the situation in the economy, the harder the reaction will be. This is neither good nor bad. This is a political reality in the context of a world war. That is, the war of all against all.
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  1. USSR 1971
    USSR 1971 21 December 2015 16: 38 New
    +4
    The main thing is that our special services do not flaunt, as with Ukraine before. The second Maidan at hand does not promise good. And Russophobia for the money there is someone to vaccinate. True, this is the CSTO zone, but one must be prepared for everything.
    1. Byshido_dis
      Byshido_dis 21 December 2015 16: 41 New
      +2
      Because if the economy collapses, and after it the state in the Russian Federation, it will inevitably cover everyone around the perimeter from Moldova to Mongolia. And if the Russian Federation maintains a capable state, then there will be a chance to integrate allies or their fragments and continue to act as arbiter.


      It seems to me that both Kazakhs and Belarusians understand this perfectly, as they also understand that without Russia they will simply be devoured as Ukraine. I do not think that there are fools, and even more so, I am sure that in these countries they will let fools to power.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 December 2015 16: 59 New
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        The article came out today, 16:36
        And two minutes later, without reading the article, the first authoritative comment
        Quote: USSR 1971
        The main thing is that our special services do not click

        And the second answer he writes, also without reading the article
        Quote: Byshido_dis
        It seems to me that both Kazakhs and Belarusians understand this perfectly

        Well done good And really, why read the text when the title is enough lol
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 21 December 2015 17: 21 New
          +5
          Well done good And really, why read the text when the title is enough lol

          Well, the logic is simple: the higher the post - the more advantages laughing
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 21 December 2015 17: 34 New
          +7
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And really, why read the text when the title is enough

          They probably read quickly. They studied well at school ...
        3. USSR 1971
          USSR 1971 21 December 2015 19: 42 New
          +1
          The title is not about that. And the special services, if they work well of course, just keep the number of like-minded people in the state of allies. I think this is really not quite an internal matter. It’s just that the author set the title as he set. This is not the first time that everything seems to start with the fight against corruption in the states bordering us. Personally, I am not sure of the 100% pro-Russian lobby in the neighbors' parliaments.
          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 22 December 2015 17: 41 New
            0
            the USSR

            You read the article first, and then tell us about your special services.
        4. atalef
          atalef 21 December 2015 20: 27 New
          +3
          Quote: Byshido_dis
          The main thing is that our special services do not flashed, as with Ukraine before

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          it does not seem that both Kazakhs and Belarusians understand this perfectly

          Yes, and I say, and more electronic warfare.
          War is coming soon
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Well done And really, why read the text when there is enough heading

          belay , Sanya, what are you talking about?
          War on the threshold soldier
        5. Sirocco
          Sirocco 22 December 2015 05: 34 New
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov

          Well done And really, why read the text when there is enough heading

          You shouldn’t be so Alexander, I often read articles myself, before they are published on VO, in another source. So options are possible.
          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 22 December 2015 17: 45 New
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            Sirocco

            Do you understand the conclusion? The article is not about special services.

            The main conclusion of the article is the growth of statehood during the economic crisis, in the face of a potential external threat.

            And the most important. All states of the world are in absolutely similar situations.

            There are no good and bad countries. There are countries in which the oligarchy seized power and violates laws internally and externally state.
    2. Tor5
      Tor5 21 December 2015 16: 46 New
      +1
      This is the main problem.
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    4. sever.56
      sever.56 21 December 2015 16: 47 New
      +9
      Quote: USSR 1971
      The main thing is that ours are not whitewashed, as with Ukraine before.


      The main thing is to read a large and controversial article, and not write comments THROUGH 2 MINUTES after publication!
      But in fact, - the author slyly wrapped up: - "... There are no allies of Russia in the parliaments of Kazakhstan and Belarus," there is a militarization of the media in Russia "," they are arrested "," they are arrested "," there are no friends "," in free swimming ", etc.
      Cunningly disguised Western propaganda according to the principle - "Divide and Conquer", seeking to sow discord both between the peoples of the Union republics and between the elites ...
      1. USSR 1971
        USSR 1971 21 December 2015 19: 33 New
        +3
        Actually, I read the article. And when I wrote about the fact that one should not make previous mistakes, I meant what was written about "Federal TV". It's just that I periodically communicated with those colleagues who have relatives in Kazakhstan. And in Ukraine. Do you think all young people in Kazakhstan think as they say in the Vesti program? And the title of the article is not about that at all.
      2. Talgat
        Talgat 21 December 2015 23: 41 New
        +5
        Quote: sever.56
        But in fact, - the author slyly wrapped up: - "... There are no allies of Russia in the parliaments of Kazakhstan and Belarus,


        I support the North! I previously read this very strange article on (be surprised) - a very decent site However

        The article makes you think of course - and offers a peculiar logic of the development of the event.

        That's just the author forgets that comparing the Entente’s relations (read the Naglosaksaks, etc.) with Russia and relations in the Eurasian Union, where Kazakhstan, Belarusians and Russia are fragments of one empire -
        - so, here - comparing them and drawing an analogy is not entirely correct

        Or rather, quite wrong

        3 republics have already made their choice, and in addition to the military alliance, an economic one has already been created, and integration continues. And others began to join her, even if Armenia and Kyrgyzstan so far, but the process is ongoing.

        This is confirmed by the meeting of our Presidents the other day.
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 22 December 2015 17: 57 New
          -1
          Talgat

          You did not understand the main idea.

          These handshakes in the photograph will not be valid without the growth of statehood. Only with strong state power EACH PRESIDENT can have alliances and resolve issues in the international political arena.

          It is impossible to agree with Ukraine. There is no state. There oligarchic power on the bayonets of the national fascists.

          The growth of statehood in countries around the world, including the United States and NATO countries, is the only guarantee that will lead to balanced international stability.
      3. gladcu2
        gladcu2 22 December 2015 17: 51 New
        -1
        sever.56

        Watch yourself do not outsmart.

        Your logic is good, but the reference point is not selected correctly.

        There are no like-minded people in parliaments if oligarchs sit in parliaments.

        Private interests almost never coincide with state interests, unless this state has become "tame".
        The state is the law, and private owners do not like laws.
    5. Egor123
      Egor123 21 December 2015 16: 51 New
      +3
      Yes, Russophobia should not be allowed in Kazakhstan, especially now, at a difficult time for the country.
      1. weis223
        weis223 21 December 2015 18: 03 New
        +4
        Could it be more detailed? Who shouldn't "admit" and how? If you are talking about Kazakhs, then this is their internal affair. If you mean Russia, then we should not give rise to Russophobia. By the way, friendship of peoples, oddly enough, requires huge financial investments. What the "economy" leads to in this is clearly shown by the events in Ukraine. Someone invested billions in the formation of national elites (financial and political) and the media, and someone spent pitiful pennies on veteran get-togethers on big holidays (feeding some oligarchs does not count)
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 22 December 2015 18: 01 New
          -1
          weis223

          You can not call the oligarchs national elites.

          With a system of having two monetary units in the country, oligarchs will always be keen to pump the money supply abroad.

          To call them the elite is to justify their crimes.
    6. vovanpain
      vovanpain 21 December 2015 17: 39 New
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      intervention in Syria

      Dear author, Since when did the operation of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria at the invitation of the legitimate and legitimate, recognized by the UN and all countries, despite the spells Bashar Assad should leave, become an intervention? Please explain to me.
      1. Karayakupovo
        Karayakupovo 21 December 2015 18: 04 New
        +5
        I also noticed this. For a week already the second author writes about some kind of "intervention". Where is this intervention?
    7. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 21 December 2015 21: 52 New
      +4
      The case with Akhmetov is interesting in that this is not a classic clash of clans within power
      The arrest of Akhmetov, just there are dances around the throne. The Turkmen precedent immediately comes to mind.
      Akhmetov belonged to Karaganda, i.e. he was a purely technical prime minister with no significant political weight. Against him in many ways, IMHO, it played the fact that he is Kazakh ..
      Just like now, when Karim Massimov is at the head of the government, he plays the fact that he is a Uyghur.
      Those. there was an elegant "cleansing" of the applicant .. Which, I think, did not even think about it, but up there it was considered that it was better to "keep out" .. recourse
      1. mAgs
        mAgs 22 December 2015 15: 51 New
        +1
        For me, Akhmetov Massimov is no match. If you do not take into account who they are behind.
  2. Boricello
    Boricello 21 December 2015 17: 04 New
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    Author kill your head against the wall !!! In what place is the structure in Kazakhstan more similar to the Russian one? In Kazakhstan, not even Ukraine. We have a khan state here. At the head of the country is han a in the places of the bai. And theft and corruption are not less or even more than in Ukraine. If not so, why is tenge officially recognized as the most depreciated currency in Europe. Not the Ukrainian hryvnia for all their difficulties. And the Russians flee the country in a flood. There remain people at the age who have nowhere to go and the youth are trying to bring down.
    1. Heritologist
      Heritologist 21 December 2015 17: 47 New
      +6
      Quote: Boricello
      In what place is the structure in Kazakhstan more similar to the Russian one? In Kazakhstan, not even Ukraine. We have a khan state here. At the head of the country is han a in the places of the bai.

      Well, I would not blame the author. The difference is only in terms. Well, in Russia it’s not khan and bay, but suppose the tsar, the boyars (retinue) and the specific princes (governors).
      But the principle is the same.
      PS And do your buys also use platinum pens and store billions in cash?
      1. Boricello
        Boricello 21 December 2015 18: 28 New
        +3
        For our buys, platinum pens are another pebble for greed. They take everything ... the main thing that would give. They are pathologically greedy. And the pens are so .. They have an account of millions and billions.
      2. udincev
        udincev 21 December 2015 20: 20 New
        0
        Quote: Heritologist
        Do your bais also use platinum pens and store billions in cash?

        Do they have exclusive watch collections?
        What do adult kids (child prodigies) hunt for?
    2. scientist
      scientist 21 December 2015 17: 54 New
      +9
      Quote: Boricello
      In what place is the structure in Kazakhstan more similar to the Russian one?

      The author still does not belong to the power structures and his circle of communication is limited to media correspondents and bloggers. Therefore, the discount - let it take care of your head. Although it is a shame to write such a long article and not know the problems of Kazakhstan and Belarus from the inside "-". In fact, Kazakhstan has ten times more problems than the most criminal region of Russia. But if in Russia they are at least somehow struggling with this, then Belarus and Kazakhstan are only pretending. A simple example, compare the number of oligarchs prosecuted and you will see that neither in Kazakhstan nor in Belarus in their entire history has not a single oligarch been brought to justice. But they are at the head of 99% of all corruption schemes.
      In fact, the leaders of Russia and China are doing a "disservice" to the Kazakh and Belarusian peoples by supporting the clan-oligarchic regime operating there. It is clear that For Russia and China, the existing situation is very beneficial, obviously as beneficial as the Yanukovych’s rule in Ukraine, only then everything ended in disastrous condition. Therefore, it may be worth thinking about and not bring to revolutions, Maidan and other social explosions.
      For example, the author writes that he is familiar and communicated with Ermek Taychibekov, this is not an indicator. For example, I traveled with Serikov Akhmetov to Belarus and I immediately did not like how he lobbied for the interests of the Belarusian oligarchs, and without hesitation, casually inflicting huge military and economic damage to his country. When I started talking about this in the offices of the management, I was removed with the wording "talked too much." And this is despite the fact that a direct written instruction from Nazarbayev was violated. But they judge him not for that!
      1. avt
        avt 21 December 2015 20: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: scientist
        ". In fact, there are ten times more problems in Kazakhstan than in the most criminal region of Russia. But if in Russia at least somehow they struggle with this, then Belarus and Kazakhstan only pretend

        what If
        A state based on the political and economic dominance of a small group of individuals, the aristocratic elite (in antiquity and the Middle Ages).
        Political and economic dominance in the state of a small group of individuals.
        Such a group of persons, at the head of a political, economic, etc. associations.
        then Butsk was cloned! ?? wassat Where did he come from in Belarus, where people live less than in Moscow and with natural resources? No. Not really? I will still believe, since the internal alignment in Kazakhstan among the “elites” simply do not know that the Elbasy in Kazakhstan is neutralized by different clans with real money fighting for influence on him like our seven-bankers of the times of EBN All-Drunk ... and actually for his throne. But what would a classical oligarchy be in Belarus ... request
    3. guard
      guard 21 December 2015 18: 05 New
      +7
      As for the in.agents, they also exist in Kazakhstan, they work and no one exposes them, at least officially! The goals that they set are understandable, people work in general, are employed, each has his own direction, someone writes articles (for example, this one), inciting class hatred, and in this they work simultaneously with Russian foreign agents, someone on ethnic, religious .. In general, nothing new, of course these people are a pity
      1. guard
        guard 21 December 2015 18: 28 New
        +2
        especially if they are citizens of Kazakhstan! They shit where they live, scattering seeds of hatred! But you need to remember these people end badly, there are plenty of examples !!
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 21 December 2015 18: 56 New
          13
          Heritologist. President - Khan (who was also elected at the kurultays), Governors - Akims - Bai (from whom the people could make "legs", and Khan could be pityed into mere mortals or blown off his head). So you are right, the principle is the same - times are different.
          The currency is understandable why they depreciated - this was clear to everyone in the RK over the year. Only the stupid did not see it. Yes, and even the yuan was lowered. And what was to be done - people dragged the currency in the Russian Federation in bags, they took out more than 30 thousand cars alone (authorities said that they spent $ 40 billion on maintaining the tenge) ?!
          The author mixed everything up. He associates the fight against corruption with the "reaction period" and the northern territories. That there is no pro-Russian lobby. laughing ... Nazarbayev has been in prison for so many years, because he stands up for a new UNION, all the nat. diaspora (130) and vote for him. Or is the author not in the know? I drew such conclusions from the fact of Akhmetov's landing, and pulled him somewhere in the "side" !!! Couldn't think of anything better? hi
          The economy (politics) is always followed by politics (economics). There is such a science - political economy is called.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 21 December 2015 21: 58 New
            +7
            Such an interesting fact for Russians. Legally, one seat in parliament is assigned to the Russian diaspora in Kazakhstan. Through the Assembly of the Peoples of Kazakhstan. It is in its right (ANC) to conduct its own "examination" of laws adopted by parliament. There are laws that were developed by the ANC. For example, about the prohibition of parties and public organizations based on religion, nationality, ethnicity. considerations. Such as the Right Sector or Freedom simply will not "get through". This is the LOBBY. hi
            The author had to study the topic.
            1. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 21 December 2015 22: 12 New
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              Quote: Kasym
              The author had to study the topic.

              One place is cool! I prefer the idea of ​​erecting a monument to Zhirinovsky in Alma-Ata. wink What? All Russian nationalists shut up at once. True, the other side of the coin will appear.
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    5. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 21 December 2015 22: 21 New
      +2
      The article left a conflicting opinion. I strongly disagree with the author that the Prime Minister’s landing is an example of the fight against corruption. This is primarily a political matter, the khan does not need competitors in the political horizon, even deeply potential ones. Here I agree, it is the presence of three scenarios of tightening belts in a crisis: at the expense of the state, at the expense of the business as a whole or individual oligarchs, or at the expense of the common people. Nazarbayev decided to combine the useful with the useful and not only mows his competitors, but their account improves the financial situation in the country. If we draw analogies with Russia, then we can see the obvious difference between the political regimes in our country and in Kazakhstan. Nazarbayev is so confident in himself that he pulls the belts of individual oligarchs and political groups during the crisis. Putin is afraid to affect the interests of his closest political and financial environment, therefore, the main blow of the crisis fell on ordinary people and the state. Business, of course, is also losing, due to rising interest rates and higher costs, but some particularly close comrades even make money on the crisis.
    6. Zymran
      Zymran 22 December 2015 11: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: Boricello
      If not so, why is tenge officially recognized as the most depreciated currency in Europe. Not Ukrainian hryvnia for all their difficulties


      In fairness, this is data only for the 2015 year, and that the ruble, that the hryvnia fell very badly in 2014, while the tenge was kept to the last. Therefore, if we take the statistics for 2 of the year, then the hryvnia fell much more than the tenge, and the ruble is about the same.
  3. moskowit
    moskowit 21 December 2015 17: 05 New
    +1
    Yes, the material is extremely serious. It poses a number of problems. A look at the situation is logical and justified. Thanks...
    1. weis223
      weis223 21 December 2015 18: 17 New
      +2
      Strange, but to me the "little stuff" seemed extremely frivolous and provocative. Especially in the place where the obvious provocateur was given a term for a poll on the annexation of Northern Kazakhstan to Russia. And further babbling about some signals "to both the business and political elites and the media class."
      Well, I don't even want to comment on the nonsense about "free swimming" ...
    2. guard
      guard 21 December 2015 19: 15 New
      +2
      moskowit (1) RU Today, 17:05
      Yes, the material is extremely serious. It poses a number of problems. A look at the situation is logical and justified. Thanks...

      It depends on what categories to think.
      they wanted to fight corruption, get it, and the signal is clear and understandable, the thief should be in prison !!
  4. cap
    cap 21 December 2015 17: 29 New
    +4
    “Therefore, the task of Russia is to support the allied regimes as much as they strengthen the state. That is, if the ally has an oligarchization of politics inside, a multi-vector approach and the activity of foreign special services, then such a regime can be completely set free. Moreover, the Russian Federation can afford bilateral integration relations with any ally, as it happens today within the framework of the union state with Belarus. "
    The foreign special services will be very happy with such a "statement." They exist for this purpose so that everyone can sail in every direction, and not in line with the general policy.
    This is where the very weapons that the author writes about should be used, and not the other way around.
    “We must clearly understand that the federal media created in the Russian Federation, and especially the television, is an extremely effective instrument of propaganda, both within the Russian Federation and abroad.

    However, according to the laws of dialectics, this weapon is double-edged. And it can play a very cruel joke with the sympathizers of Russia in Kazakhstan and other republics. Because no tendencies to weakening the reaction from the state are foreseen. Moreover, in Russia itself it will also grow. "

    This phrase is generally ambiguous. About what kind of "indulgences" of which "state", what is going to increase in Russia?
    It is impossible to disassemble the whole article long and not everyone understands.
    The author clearly abused allegories.
    One thing is clear that the struggle of ideologies is inextricably linked with successes in the economy. Only then is it attractive to friends and dangerous to enemies. hi
  5. Santjaga_Garka
    Santjaga_Garka 21 December 2015 17: 34 New
    0
    It seems all the same it's time to buy Kalash and cartridges, but to stock up with salt and cereals ...
    1. Fox
      Fox 21 December 2015 18: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Santjaga_Garka
      It seems all the same it's time to buy Kalash and ammunition, but stock up with salt and cereals

      this must be done yesterday))))
  6. bobba94
    bobba94 21 December 2015 17: 36 New
    +3
    Interesting article. You read as the history of Europe of the XV - XVI centuries.
  7. EvgNik
    EvgNik 21 December 2015 17: 43 New
    +2
    All this is sad. They lived in the USSR together, they lived normally. Of course there were problems - and when they are not? But what is now - there are no words.
  8. igorra
    igorra 21 December 2015 17: 45 New
    +3
    Until we change the elite, there will be no union, from the word "none." That Kazakh, that ours, there and the Belarusian crushes with one world of mud, not even the world, but the dollar and the euro. I don’t know how long will Putin be able to hold back the boiler lid when the government throws up firewood with all its might?
    Well, the logic is simple: the higher the post - the more advantages
    I agree with Wiruz, it’s time to change something on our website, we’ll slip into likes, soon we will reach chm.ki - hm.ki or what is the latest trend for the glamorous ones? I think, in the wake of patriotism, fighting office hamsters joined us, so there have been fewer serious commentary on articles. Let's not be like low-grade publications, all the same, as I consider it to be a pretty serious site.
  9. MIKHALYCH1
    MIKHALYCH1 21 December 2015 17: 47 New
    +3
    And yet (you can throw stones at me and curse me), but would it be time for Nazarbayev to find a worthy successor (not the same age) or was he going to live forever? Do not be offended by the Kazakhs, but the United States will not wait for this ... and ISIS too!
    1. kamil_tt
      kamil_tt 21 December 2015 19: 37 New
      +4
      why should we be offended?) let him find a worthy one, if he can or wants to. new people, of course, will not steal less, but if only there would be no war ..
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 21 December 2015 21: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: kamil_tt
        why should we be offended?) let him find a worthy one, if he can or wants to. new people, of course, will not steal less, but if only there would be no war ..

        He lived for a very long time under the irreplaceable general secretary Brezhnev, then the general secretaries began to change at a crazy speed (every year the ballet swan watched ballet) then perestroika-glasnost and the USSR was covered with a copper basin. Now I have been living under the irremovable President Nazarbayev for a long time and somehow it has recently become scary. wink
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    2. Kasym
      Kasym 21 December 2015 19: 46 New
      +6
      It would not be logical for the National Academy of Sciences to set up a receiver that worked to destroy its endeavors (EAEU, CSTO, etc.). And NAS does not look like a fool.
      We have a difference from the Russian Federation. All our oligarchs left the POWER (such loans as the Russian Federation did not give us). "I know where you got your capital", "it was necessary to create a layer of entrepreneurs." NAS has "business" for everyone. I think that it will transmit to the receiver so that they don't jerk too much.
      He now has no reason to declare a successor - he will not tolerate dual power and will sit out Ukraine.
      A neighbor like China will always push Central Asia and Kazakhstan into the arms of Russia (after all, they left the same state). And no matter what the president is in Kazakhstan and Central Asia, he UNDERSTANDS it. This is our "local" feature. Moscow only needs to act competently. hi
      The author began with the fight against corruption, and finished ... I did not like it.
      I will list some of the sidelings (former and present)
      1. Head of EXPO-2017 (budget $ 3 billion) Yermigiyaev, his colleague Usenov.
      2. Minister of Education, Head of KTZ (railway) Kulekeev.
      3. Minister of Health Doskaliev.
      4. The Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Baimaganbetov Customs.
      5. Deputy Minister of Defense Maykeev.
      6. Akims of Pavlodar region Aryn and Zhakiyanov.
      7. Akim Atyrau Karimov.
      8. Akim of this area Ryskaliev (on the run).
      9. In Karaganda there is a whole "team" (20 people under investigation), up to the regional akim Abdishev.
      10. Minister of Transport, Kazmunaigas Burkitbaev.
      11. Vice Minister of Emergency Situations Sabdalin. etc..
      Moreover, the National Academy of Sciences of many, after a short sentence, had mercy. But authority is already tarnished.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 21 December 2015 20: 44 New
        +3
        judging by the above list, you can organize a shadow government "in the zone" and there is also a shadow government in exile, headed by Prime Minister Kazhegeldin laughing ... considering that all these people are "chicks" of the National Academy of Sciences, it may be time not to change horses, but to start with a "coachman". By the way, judging by my observations, the National Academy of Sciences has more support from the diasporas than the Kazakhs themselves, and when reading the comments on the VO "Russians" I am surprised they constantly squeak negatively about the Republic of Kazakhstan and massively support the National Academy of Sciences. although maybe they choose the familiar and familiar from two evils? Well, of course, Kazakhs are primarily responsible for everything negative and positive that is in Kazakhstan.
      2. kepmor
        kepmor 21 December 2015 22: 49 New
        +2
        Yes, there is something for Putin to learn from aksakal Nazarbayev!
        And here, in Russia, everything is through Zh ...- Serdyukov in a bread place in RosTech, Zurabov is listed in the diplomats, Skrynnik in France sells diamonds, Tkachev after Kushchevka steers the village, but you can’t list everyone!
        In short, "all is well beautiful marquise, all is well, all is well"!
  10. kamil_tt
    kamil_tt 21 December 2015 18: 35 New
    +6
    ".. Being critically dependent on allies, the modern Russian Federation cannot influence the internal political agenda of the allies in any way. There are no pro-Russian lobbying groups inside the parliaments of Kazakhstan and Belarus ..."
    is the fundamentally wrong statement made by the author consciously? Of course there are such groups, both people and organizations (and some of them, especially in the KZ, are clearly extremist). this is a common occurrence in politics, Kazakhstan and Belarus are traditionally included in the halo of interests and influence of the Russian Federation. and especially they intensified their work after the events in Ukraine, and this is neither good nor bad, it is an objective reality, it cannot be otherwise, after all, Russia is our number one political and trade partner for our countries.
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 21 December 2015 18: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: kamil_tt
      ".. Being critically dependent on allies, the modern Russian Federation cannot influence the internal political agenda of the allies in any way. There are no pro-Russian lobbying groups inside the parliaments of Kazakhstan and Belarus ..."
      is the fundamentally wrong statement made by the author consciously? Of course there are such groups, both people and organizations (and some of them, especially in the KZ, are clearly extremist). this is a common occurrence in politics, Kazakhstan and Belarus are traditionally included in the halo of interests and influence of the Russian Federation. and especially they intensified their work after the events in Ukraine, and this is neither good nor bad, it is an objective reality, it cannot be otherwise.

      Maybe you are right, but I personally don’t believe anyone already (I’ve read and seen enough) ... The concept of "brotherly people" for me is more and more illusory and vague (if money and benefits are given then we are brothers right away ... but so)))) )) Excuse me, "brothers"
      1. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu 21 December 2015 21: 41 New
        +8
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        Kazakhs as Jews
        Eh recourse if the Kazakhs were like Jews bully
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        (if we give money and benefits, then we are brothers at once .. and so)))))) Excuse me, "brothers"
        Bring me a quote, where did the Kazakhs get into your "brothers" ?!
        And about the benefits we give, so just give at least such a fact:
        Kazakhstan is the main export market, providing about 70 - 80 percent of AvtoVAZ's export sales, Vedomosti reports.
        And if you still bring ..
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        for me everything is more ghostly and vague
        So men, Mihan no longer pour .. angry
  11. kamil_tt
    kamil_tt 21 December 2015 19: 03 New
    +8
    Well, for a start - no need to indulge yourself with illusions - you do not give money and benefits to us (Kazakhstan) and we do not ask for them, everything is on a mutually beneficial basis. As for the "fraternal peoples", there are disagreements between brothers, especially when one of them, at the moment is stronger, begins to show character, and not always in the correct form, while the other is more restrained and is used to negotiating rather than conflict. The main thing is not to start a war under any pretext, as with other "brotherly people", not to suddenly start looking for "unfinished Basmachi-Benderaites" and so on, so on.
    Unfortunately, as the situation in the modern world develops, including geopolitical conflicts, Kazakhstan will have fewer opportunities to pursue a multi-vector policy, given the way Astana is trying to distance itself from the destructive processes between Russia and the whole world, while not ruining the relationship with her.
    1. kamil_tt
      kamil_tt 21 December 2015 19: 28 New
      +8
      all the more so that we think when not just a man from the street, but a deputy. Chairman of the State Duma of the Russian Federation Vladimir Zhirinovsky, acts as a certain mouthpiece for certain forces and sentiments in Russia that are interested in escalating the further situation, publicly, "brotherly", declares that the republics of Central Asia, including Kazakhstan, must be deprived of independence and annexed to Russia and in place of them "Central Asian Federal District" ..
      1. kamil_tt
        kamil_tt 21 December 2015 19: 56 New
        +1
        and why are you minus that? not a convenient topic?)
      2. avt
        avt 21 December 2015 20: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: kamil_tt
        when not just a man from the street, but a deputy. Chairman of the State Duma of the Russian Federation Vladimir Zhirinovsky,

        I wrote and will write - HANDS AROUND FROM OUR FAT! He is ours, or envy silently, or get your own, but DO NOT TOUCH your hands! This is our Zhirik for internal use.
        Quote: kamil_tt
        and why are you minus that? not a convenient topic?)

        Here, unlike me, someone is simply tired of explaining. laughing I’ll put a plus, but with the condition - no more Zhirik, you didn’t put it and you don’t shoot it. This is our sovereign Zhirik. Want to encroach on the sovereignty of Russia!?
        1. kamil_tt
          kamil_tt 21 December 2015 20: 57 New
          +7
          when Zhirik needs it, he is ours) recalls that he was born and lived in Alma-Ata, by the way next to me, I accidentally burned his barn as a child, maybe that's why he gets angry?)
          as for our "zhiriks", we have them, but glory to Allah they are not allowed into the Parliament and the Government, and they are not shown on TV, and on occasion they are imprisoned for inciting, etc., regardless of nationality
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 21 December 2015 21: 05 New
            +2
            Quote: kamil_tt
            when Zhirik needs it, he is ours) recalls that he was born and lived in Alma-Ata, by the way next to me, I accidentally burned his barn as a child, maybe that's why he gets angry?)

            years will pass and at the center of the Central Asian Federal District in Verny, the main square will be renamed from Independence Square to Zhirinovsky Square (dreams of golf) laughing
            1. kamil_tt
              kamil_tt 21 December 2015 21: 14 New
              +2
              I doubt) the most unpleasant thing is that he personally doesn’t need it, or maybe it’s feoletovo, he just voices the thoughts of his superior
              1. Semurg
                Semurg 21 December 2015 21: 20 New
                +4
                Quote: kamil_tt
                I doubt) the most unpleasant thing is that he personally doesn’t need it, or maybe it’s feoletovo, he just voices the thoughts of his superior

                Well, what colonel does not dream of a "marshal's rod" and while the court and the case can be and populist slogans shove good people hawala especially after the Ukrainian events.
            2. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 21 December 2015 21: 50 New
              +3
              Quote: Semurg
              years will pass and in the center of the Central Asian Federal District in Verny the main square will be renamed from Independence Square to Zhirinovsky Square (dreams of golf) laughing

              Strong!!! I'm afraid to assume that there will be Zhirinovsky Square in Delhi. It seems that he wanted to send a Russian soldier there too. wink
              Quote: kamil_tt
              when Zhirik needs it, he is ours) recalls that he was born and lived in Alma-Ata, by the way next to me, I accidentally burned his barn as a child, maybe that's why he gets angry?)

              The brother-in-law studied at the same school with him. He said that they kicked him mercilessly in childhood. I don’t know whether to believe? wink
              Quote: avt
              .This is our sovereign Zhirik. Do you want to encroach on the sovereignty of Russia!?

              I can. wink I "fell for" voting in the Duma. What he says and how his party votes (or rather, does not vote) is a "huge distance."
              Liberal Democratic Party of Russia - "steam bleed" party.
          2. avt
            avt 21 December 2015 22: 55 New
            0
            Quote: kamil_tt
            when Zhirik needs it, he is ours) recalls that he was born and lived in Alma-Ata, by the way next to me, I accidentally burned his barn as a child, maybe that's why he gets angry?)

            Late to catch up! So it was necessary to lure him and appoint the deputy speaker and even the speaker to appoint
            Quote: Semurg
            years will pass and in the center of the Central Asian Federal District in Verny the main square will be renamed from Independence Square to Zhirinovsky Square

            They could have lured the name, but now it's too late! Now look for your Zhirik yourself.
            Quote: kamil_tt
            , he just voices the thoughts of his superior gentlemen

            Well, actually, he’s not such a fool to voice other people's thoughts - he won’t take his own over the edge - he received a very good education himself, and trained in public to speak - almost every Saturday in Sokolniki in the 90s he said to the market that there was. He punched himself the right to say everything he thinks and without consequences for himself. The jesters under the rulers were by no means fools - the fool cannot amuse, but to anger with his stupidity is easy.
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 21 December 2015 23: 28 New
              +4
              There was a mammoth. Kicked, just like kicked. wink .
              And I like Zhirinovsky as a politician. He knows that he will not be president and cuts his own truth-womb. He is often not politically correct and can “ignite” the people. A bright politician, without whom the LDPR will be blown away. Often on a talk show (or whatever?) It shines, but howls something like that! Yesterday I lit up at Solovyov's too! hi
              1. PHANTOM-AS
                PHANTOM-AS 21 December 2015 23: 34 New
                +3
                Quote: Kasym
                And I like Zhirinovsky as a politician. He knows that he will not be president and cuts his own truth-womb. He is often not politically correct and can “ignite” the people.

                The kings were allowed to joke the court jesters in order to ridicule them later.
              2. Was mammoth
                Was mammoth 22 December 2015 05: 25 New
                +4
                Quote: Kasym
                And I like Zhirinovsky, as a politician ....

                I think that this is a deeply cynical person who created the LDPR as a "commercial project" based on nationalism and anti-Soviet sentiments. This negates his intelligence and erudition for me. He speaks a lot and often brightly, but strictly acts like a weathervane from the authorities.
                1. avt
                  avt 22 December 2015 10: 03 New
                  +1
                  Quote: There was a mammoth
                  I think that this is a deeply cynical person who created the LDPR as a "commercial project"

                  Do not even doubt. Without Zhirinovsky, in a month you will forget that in general there is such a party - the Liberal Democratic Party, it will sink into oblivion like Yabloko, in which Lukin jumped into the presidential structure, and Goga Yavlinsky in Germany is mostly lying down in a dork. on TV? Also left the circle with an aggravation, in general there in the leadership there is a direct rally of "white riders" quite real to themselves - officially "certified" by specialized medical institutions back in the USSR.
        2. Che Guevara
          Che Guevara 22 December 2015 06: 37 New
          +3
          Akhmetov, Nazarbayev (President of the Republic of Kazakhstan) can be discussed, but there is no "inadequate" Zhirik? And in general, the VO forum was created so that their mouths would not be shut up, or maybe Zhirik (an Almaty resident) is your relative?
          1. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 22 December 2015 17: 45 New
            +1
            Quote: Chegevara
            Akhmetov, Nazarbayev (President of the Republic of Kazakhstan) can be discussed, but there is no "inadequate" Zhirik?

            Are you up to it?
            Quote: avt
            This is our sovereign Zhirik. Want to encroach on the sovereignty of Russia!?

            The site, of course, is serious. But how to live without humor?
  12. acetophenon
    acetophenon 21 December 2015 20: 13 New
    0
    The author - to ask what it means to "nourish" yes
  13. faser
    faser 21 December 2015 20: 33 New
    +4
    Once we talked with one adult about state affairs. And he says that they lived their lives under the Soviet regime, endured all the hardships of fate, and a prejudiced attitude towards Kazakhs. And we got an independent country, and we must take care of it. And my answer was this: Kazakhstan can be harmed the most not by the Russians or others, but by the Kazakhs themselves. And Kazakhstan must be protected from the Kazakhs. It is enough to arrange one Maidan of "patriots" (nationalists), and you will no longer be able to gather us into a single state. The Kazakhs have already defeated the education system (total corruption, stupid teachers), health care (incompetence of doctors), law enforcement (the people are more afraid of the police than they respect), the army (half of the equipment will not reach the landfill). Power and business are one and the same. So Allah bless us ... and Russia too.
    1. avt
      avt 21 December 2015 20: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: faser
      at. It is enough to arrange one Maidan of "patriots" (nationalists), and you will no longer be able to gather us into a single state.

      request It concerns everyone always and everywhere.
      But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said to them:
      every kingdom divided in itself
      empty and every city or house divided
      in itself, will not stand.
      Well, about how to arrange this "Maidan", Pushkin wrote
      Of course, the king: your power is strong,
      You are mercy, joy and generosity
      Adopted the hearts of his slaves.
      But you know yourself: senseless mob
      Changeable, rebellious, superstitious,
      Easily empty hope betrayed,
      To instant suggestion is obedient,
      For the truth is deaf and indifferent,
      And she feeds on fables.
      She likes shameless courage.
      So if this unknown tramp
      Cross the Lithuanian border
      A crowd of madmen will attract him
      Demetrius is the resurrected name.
    2. kamil_tt
      kamil_tt 21 December 2015 21: 11 New
      +2
      this can be said about any country and nation, the main thing is which way the state will direct this movement ..
      1. avt
        avt 21 December 2015 22: 58 New
        0
        Quote: kamil_tt
        this can be said of any country and nation,
        Look carefully, but Pushkin never said anything about the Kazakhs
        Quote: avt
        It concerns everyone always and everywhere.
    3. Bekas1967
      Bekas1967 21 December 2015 21: 25 New
      -3
      Handsome! Honestly and for sure everyone !!! Kazakhs are still divided into childbirth and zhuzes .... tear apart in the minds ... there is no unity (((
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 21 December 2015 21: 37 New
        +7
        Quote: Bekas1967
        Handsome! Honestly and for sure everyone !!! Kazakhs are still divided into childbirth and zhuzes .... tear apart in the minds ... there is no unity (((

        Kazakhs are not divided into childbirth and zhuzes they consist of them. Russian kaneshno not so they are divided into St. Petersburg and the rest today and yesterday on Sverdlovsk and the rest. as well as the poor and rich, and also smart and dumb, and also on the Yusophobes and Russophiles, etc., etc. in general .... tear apart in the minds .... there is no unity.
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  14. MIKHALYCH1
    MIKHALYCH1 21 December 2015 21: 10 New
    -5
    Kazakhs, like Jews, do not give a calm discussion topic ... bully Immediately rush into the "battle"! Well, okay, let them yell ... good It will still be ours! wink
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 21 December 2015 21: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
      Kazakhs, like Jews, do not give a calm discussion topic ... bully Immediately rush into the "battle"! Well, okay, let them yell ... good It will still be ours! wink

      mikhan what's the point in discussing an article the author of which mixed everything into a heap (horses-people). our 01 said with the Russian Federation economy and defense without supranational bodies and common currencies-parliaments. and not rock the boat of interethnic harmony. Those who deviate from this line are indicatively punished. But Akhmetov simply ended up in the wrong place and at the wrong time (this is a corpse thrown out of the "carpet of struggle" of the presidential circles) of the weak-stupid-who get there are eaten at once and the corpse is presented to the people as a fact of fighting corruption.
      1. MIKHALYCH1
        MIKHALYCH1 21 December 2015 21: 43 New
        -3
        Quote: Semurg
        mihan what's the point of discussing the article

        I'm not a mikhan! In general, everything is muddy there ... Everyone is waiting for Nazarbayev to leave for another world and then the "Alga" will begin .... American and Chinese companies will start a war for redistribution, maybe even blood will flow ... Russia harness will not (there are many problems of its own), but if there will not be much to understand (if there is a threat to borders and interests ..) hi Think ...
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 21 December 2015 21: 53 New
          +3
          Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
          Quote: Semurg
          mihan what's the point of discussing the article

          I'm not a mikhan! In general, everything is muddy there ... Everyone is waiting for Nazarbayev to leave for another world and then the "Alga" will begin .... American and Chinese companies will start a war for redistribution, maybe even blood will flow ... Russia harness will not (there are many problems of its own), but if there will not be much to understand (if there is a threat to borders and interests ..) hi Think ...

          mikhan got a clone. That to share amers and whales everything is already divided, and blood is what is periodically watered "tree of freedom" as the founding fathers of the United States used to say. You, too, think before you learn something in the style of Crimeanash-Pavlodarnash. we will not deal too much (if there is a threat to borders and interests) wink .
          1. kamil_tt
            kamil_tt 21 December 2015 22: 12 New
            +5
            Yes, this is a regular provocateur, today there are few articles about Georgia and Ukraine, he jumped here, not yet quarreled with all countries, he needs to hate everyone at once. it remains only to scare us with "Caliber", as he loves ..
        2. Alibekulu
          Alibekulu 21 December 2015 22: 35 New
          +4
          Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
          I'm not a mihan!
          Michalna repeat belay ?!

          Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
          Think ...
          Did you miss the hospital?
    2. kamil_tt
      kamil_tt 21 December 2015 21: 33 New
      +3
      how do you like to divide people on a national basis, just like in Germany of the 30s .. do you really have few enemies, do you still want?)) or is provocation your profession ?;)
      1. MIKHALYCH1
        MIKHALYCH1 21 December 2015 22: 04 New
        -4
        Quote: kamil_tt
        how do you like to divide people on a national basis, just like in Germany of the 30s .. do you really have few enemies, do you still want?)) or is provocation your profession ?;)

        Shared by nations? It started in the 90s and we didn’t start it "brothers" Believe me, we don’t need memories ... Let's live in the present, there are serious problems hi And then there will be a debriefing of the "flights" ... stop
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  16. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta 21 December 2015 22: 18 New
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    The article came out today, 16:36
    And two minutes later, without reading the article, the first authoritative comment
    Quote: USSR 1971
    The main thing is that our special services do not click

    And the second answer he writes, also without reading the article
    Quote: Byshido_dis
    It seems to me that both Kazakhs and Belarusians understand this perfectly

    Well done good And really, why read the text when the title is enough lol

    Well done, Sanya, showed vigilance ..!
    Did not even expect at that time "hello" from the Far ..!
    After the Sunday slurred film with the participation of GDP and a helmet / gift, I don’t want to read anything yet ..
    It's time for the Christmas holidays.
  17. Bayun
    Bayun 22 December 2015 00: 03 New
    0
    21 century. The space of Hyperborea (Tartary, Russian Empire, USSR). The essence of the problem of power at the level of 1613 (!). How to transfer power? The essence of the problem lies in the "boyars". While the Tsar puffs for them for 20-30 years, everything is in a bundle; these - "reign lying on their side." Then the Tsar dies, and the "Golden Cockerel" begins to peck the elite boyars at the fifth point. DEBILY, B ... (S) - in 400 years they could have come up with something clever;)

    PS: I suggest a political and commercial association (by analogy with the British Commonwealth) - the Russian Kingdom. That is, everyone remains REALLY independent, but they understand who is the ONLY one, ready in the event of a planetary turmoil to be the global Emergencies Ministry. The unifying ideology of the Kingdom: "to live, live and make good money" - is above religions, national and political.
  18. Bekas1967
    Bekas1967 22 December 2015 07: 54 New
    +1
    It’s accepted! One problem is to find a Tsar who thinks more for the people, and not for the oligarchy ... And the worse the people live, the more Moshna is in power. We have the richest officials in the world and one of the poorest workers and employees , doctors and educators ... people start to tear up three skins again through utilities taxes fines, excise taxes, etc. ..... for income taxes13, indirectly about 50 percent !!!! and the oligarchs pay 13 from their investments !! !something like this!
  19. Horn
    Horn 22 December 2015 07: 55 New
    0
    Interestingly stated. Probably correct. And Russia would not hurt to apply some experience in relation to our "equals". I just want to think that the Kazakhs will turn out to be smarter, and the scenario with the "scapegoats"
    The north of Kazakhstan, Alma-Ata and other large cities are massively populated by Russians, who in the conditions of internal conflict may well be appointed "scapegoats"
    will not take place...
  20. Bekas1967
    Bekas1967 22 December 2015 08: 07 New
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    And the Kazakhs need a supranational leader, able to unite everyone. And how Yugoslavia can be torn apart, only by Zhuz.: South, East and West ... I want everyone to rule! I want to put all the families of my khan. more !!! the dough is also enough for the elites. the first one has not created the institutions of power acceptance (((and his descendants will be devoured and not choking, they are illegitimate from the stewardess, and the old daughter isn’t at all! it’s necessary to abolish the presidency as soon as possible He’s alive. It’s not long ....
    1. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 22 December 2015 12: 53 New
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      Quote: avt
      could lure, and now - late!
      It’s bad that they didn’t call Aman. In his interview, the bitterness of regret slipped. He certainly would not have come, but I think it was important for him to know that he was always ready to receive him.
      And for all Kazakhs outside the Republic of Kazakhstan, this would be an indicator that "the Motherland awaits".
      But "Papa" is in his repertoire. He even more or less popular personalities among the people, tried to drive them out of the country. Rafting by ambassadors: Olzhas Suleimenov - to the Benelux countries, Shakhanov to Kyrgyzstan, Murat Auezov to China.
      And according to Aman, a law was passed in the Republic of Kazakhstan that we immediately connected with the name of Tuleyev. According to him, a person who was not born on the territory of the republic has no right to apply for the presidency.
      Quote: Bekas1967
      but how Yugoslavia will be torn apart, only by Zhuz.: to the south, east and west ...
      Well, as it may be, as a minus, and a plus. The tribal structure, on the contrary, is a system that gives greater integrity and stability to the Kazakh nation.
      Roda ("RU") are the "bricks" in the foundation of the zhuzes.
      As the increased strength of reinforced concrete is achieved through the use of reinforcement, the tribal (zhuzov) construction serves as the basis for the unity of the Kazakh people ..
      Apparently the teip organization of the Chechen people served as one of the main factors that small Chechnya defeated huge Russia in the 1st and 2nd companies. And as a result of which she receives reparations and indemnities from the federal center ..
      P.S. Although I may have misinterpreted and sorted out .. drinks