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Media: extremist group "Ahrar al-Sham" is not included in the list of terrorist organizations

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The list of terrorist organizations, which was presented by Jordan at the International Syria Support Group conference in New York, lacks the Ahrar al-Sham Islamist group, reports Look with reference to the Al-Mayadin channel.




According to the channel, the group was removed from the list at the insistence of Saudi Arabia, which considers it a "moderate" opposition.

It is noted that the "Ahrara" also joined the "High Negotiating Committee (VKP), which was established at the December conference of the Syrian opposition in Riyadh 8-10 December."

Meanwhile, according to Lebanese expert Mohammed Ballut, the backbone of the group during its formation in 2012 r "made up the frames of Al-Qaeda".

He noted that the “radical platform Ahrar al-Sham” (whose number is estimated at 20-25 thousand militants) differs little from the installations of the Dzhebhat an-nusra group, considered to be the Syrian branch of Al-Qaida and recognized a terrorist organization.

“It’s hard to imagine that thanks to its participation in the conference in Riyadh,“ Ahraram ”managed to“ wash off ”the terrorist stuffing,” said Ballut to the publication.
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  1. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 19 December 2015 14: 03
    24
    the Saudis showed everyone they were sponsoring. Everyone slowly revealed the cards. What will happen next?
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 19 December 2015 14: 08
      +8
      We wet without a name ... and status! hi
      1. kil 31
        kil 31 19 December 2015 14: 13
        +4
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        We wet without a name ... and status! hi

        If we sign everything now. We will be selective. There will be a puncture of our diplomacy at the UN.
        1. Dryuya2
          Dryuya2 19 December 2015 14: 59
          +7
          Quote: keel 31
          We will be selective.

          winked wink
          by - BlackShark
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 19 December 2015 15: 31
            +2
            Quote: Dryuya2
            by - BlackShark

            Oh well .... how interesting! Well, it turns out, they took the Qataris for Faberge. what
            1. Dryuya2
              Dryuya2 19 December 2015 16: 23
              +1
              Quote: Sid.74
              Oh well .... how interesting!

              I have the same idea spinning winked
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              2. Tatyana
                Tatyana 20 December 2015 02: 55
                0
                From the text of the article
                the backbone of the grouping ("Ahrar al-Sham"), when it was formed in 2012, "were the cadres of Al-Qaeda."
                ... "the radical platform" Ahrar al-Sham "... does not differ much from the attitudes of the" Jabhat al-Nusra "group, which is considered the Syrian branch of Al-Qaeda" and a recognized terrorist organization.
                “It is hard to imagine that thanks to their participation in the conference in Riyadh, the Ahraram managed to“ wash away ”the terrorist stuffing,” Ballut (expert) told the publication.

                Yes, and folk wisdom, in fact, also does not say in vain - "Only the grave hacker will correct!"
          2. cniza
            cniza 19 December 2015 16: 31
            +4
            We will sometimes make mistakes and "regret" that we got to the wrong place. wink
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          4. Lelek
            Lelek 20 December 2015 08: 57
            0
            Quote: Dryuya2
            Dryuya2


            In pursuit, here's another:
            (cry.)
          5. Sirs
            Sirs 20 December 2015 14: 40
            0
            Selectively not learn only large-scale and inept! Who knows the story! He just knows the story !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        2. Alekseev
          Alekseev 19 December 2015 17: 11
          +3
          Quote: keel 31
          If we all sign it now. We will be selective.

          That is unlikely...
          Because the devil himself is to blame, the shaitan, will not understand where the "arhars" are, where the "daishi" are. Allah will then sort them out in hell. yes
          1. Lelek
            Lelek 20 December 2015 09: 01
            0
            Quote: Alekseev
            Because the devil himself is to blame, the shaitan, will not understand where the "arhars" are, where the "daishi" are.


            You're right. But IMHO you need to act according to the principle "the enemy of my enemy is my TEMPORARY ally", and after the victory put it on the shelves.
            (cry.)
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        4. a.hamster55
          a.hamster55 20 December 2015 07: 25
          0
          You can thin out these "by mistake"! And several times! And then only the "allies" are wrong.
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        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 19 December 2015 14: 43
          +5
          According to the channel, the group was removed from the list at the insistence of Saudi Arabia, which considers it a "moderate" opposition.

          The army of conquest is now the opposition? Here you just wonder how elite and US diplomats are degenerate and miserable.
          This is the open support of alkydists. Amerikosy, what are you to hell with terrorists fighting if you support Alcaidu?
          Every time they support frank ghouls, the most fascists.
          Either Al-Nusra understands moderate terrorists, then "Turkomans" like Turkish fascists "gray wolves", then Ahrar ash-asham moderate, which is the Salafi army of conquest.
          Sometimes you just think that under the United States, Yellowstone is simply obliged to jerk .... for no one and nothing will endure such chronic stupidity, even the earth.
      3. vorobey
        vorobey 19 December 2015 14: 33
        11
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        We wet without a name ... and status! hi


        That's right ... the Americans miss ... why can't we ...
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        2. a.hamster55
          a.hamster55 20 December 2015 18: 21
          0
          Sparrow! Do not be sick - it’s warmer from YOUR SOUL!
      4. Coconut Tima
        Coconut Tima 19 December 2015 16: 53
        +2
        Lavrov: the approval of the list of terrorist groups in Syria will last. Participants in the international support group for Syria will continue to work on coordinating lists of terrorist groups; Russia has a number of criteria for adding to such a list, said Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.
        He noted that for the Russian Federation, among the criteria will be the regular shelling of residential areas of Damascus and other cities, "including repeated mortar attacks on the Russian embassy in Syria."
      5. PSih2097
        PSih2097 20 December 2015 00: 23
        0
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        We wet without a name ... and status! hi

        for the Saudis and Qatar, namely for their wells ??? Who sponsors terror in the Caucasus?
      6. Sirs
        Sirs 20 December 2015 14: 35
        0
        In the sense we are wet (we must say ours)? I personally work at the factory, and how I can’t wet them. I can only support our aircraft only as taxes.
      7. L42
        L42 20 December 2015 15: 21
        +2
        If the face is hidden under a mask, wet. So there is something to hide. Here and piss. Definitely wet!
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 19 December 2015 14: 51
      12
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      the Saudis showed everyone they were sponsoring. Everyone slowly revealed the cards. What will happen next?

      And then everything is as usual, the main threat is Russia, then Ebola fever, and out of surprise, DAISH was included in this list, although Bashar Assad should be there.
    3. WKS
      WKS 19 December 2015 15: 00
      +1
      So to speak sponsored terrorists.
    4. atalef
      atalef 19 December 2015 15: 14
      +2
      Quote: stock buildbat
      the Saudis showed everyone they were sponsoring. Everyone slowly revealed the cards. What will happen next?

      So everybody knew it.
      Who finances it, so what next?
    5. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 19 December 2015 15: 26
      +1
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      Media: extremist group "Ahrar al-Sham" is not included in the list of terrorist organizations



      The active repainting of sadists in angelic outfits began. exactly the same as in the 45th year, the German Nazis dived to the bottom, hiding from retaliation. and take them under the wing of their own patrons - Turkey, Saudi Arabia, USA. I think that here we must insist on the roll-call of terrorists by name, and then purposefully catch around the world.
    6. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 19 December 2015 15: 29
      +2
      Nothing, nothing ... let them play their games. The history, as well as the lists of pardons, is written by the winners. The people of Syria will understand ...))))))
    7. Uran
      Uran 19 December 2015 15: 48
      0
      Yes, these groups are gouged, like mushrooms after the rain. nothing more to do. whoever wants to and creates new groups there. it's like in contact you create groups, if one is banned, then the second. and you don’t understand who there is who. just sickened up. a nuclear bomb just zadolbasit all that would not grow like mushrooms.
    8. Pirogov
      Pirogov 19 December 2015 16: 33
      +2
      Yes, the Saudis help all Islamists, and not only in Syria.
    9. ty60
      ty60 19 December 2015 17: 29
      +1
      Let's get the Mace ... out of the Poplar Grove and everyone
    10. Sirs
      Sirs 20 December 2015 14: 44
      0
      Cards you say cards!
      If you look at the cards, then you just ... Here the game goes to such mentalities! The game goes to the consciousness of people - about its being !!! What do marshals of the divan army think?
  2. Egor123
    Egor123 19 December 2015 14: 03
    +3
    According to the channel, the group was removed from the list at the insistence of Saudi Arabia, which considers it a “moderate” opposition


    This "moderate opposition" of them is already boring. The opposition is in any case the enemy of the head of state and it should not be divided into moderate and immoderate. Moreover, it is stupid to consider a terrorist organization as an opposition.
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 19 December 2015 14: 26
      -1
      Quote: Egor123
      In any case, the opposition is an enemy of the head of state and there is no need to divide it into moderate and immoderate.

      Following this logic, it is necessary to "dunk" the Communist Party and the Liberal Democratic Party - they are the opposition, albeit a structural one. And let's remember, for example, on whose side, in the first Chechen, was the current head of Chechnya and his late father - an obvious "armed opposition".
      So, the list compiled by the Saud and voiced by Jordan is bullshit. Their opinion does not interest the "big uncles" at all. As the result, Russia and the United States decide, so it will be.
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      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN 19 December 2015 14: 37
        +2
        Ami du peuple RU Today, 14:26 PM ↑ New

        Quote: Egor123
        In any case, the opposition is an enemy of the head of state and there is no need to divide it into moderate and immoderate.

        Following this logic, it is necessary to "dunk" the Communist Party and the Liberal Democratic Party - they are the opposition


        If he comes out with a weapon and begins to overthrow the elected government, then let it be wet, otherwise a lot of blood and the decline of the state ... request
      2. yuriy55
        yuriy55 19 December 2015 14: 38
        +1
        Quote: Ami du peuple

        ... Following this logic, it is necessary to "dunk" the Communist Party and the Liberal Democratic Party - they are the opposition, albeit a structural one. And let's remember, for example, on whose side, in the first Chechen, was the current head of Chechnya and his late father - an obvious "armed opposition".
        So, the list compiled by the Saud and voiced by Jordan is bullshit. Their opinion does not interest the "big uncles" at all. As the result, Russia and the United States decide, so it will be.

        In this matter, we must adhere to sound logic, which says that the opposition -
        in politics, a party or group opposing a dominant party or opinion supported by a majority. It is also the political activity of parties, groups and movements opposing the government course and waging a struggle for state power with the ruling party (parties).

        Moreover, it conducts its struggle in accordance with the laws of the state, by peaceful means ...

        In one part, you are right. As Russia and Syria decide, it will be so ...
        hi
  3. Truth
    Truth 19 December 2015 14: 03
    +4
    the group was removed from the list at the insistence of Saudi Arabia

    Well, yes, everything is clear, of course, the "parents" will protect their "children."
  4. little girl15
    little girl15 19 December 2015 14: 05
    +3
    Each state of the "coalition" Protects its "sons of bitches". There is nothing to be surprised.
  5. Federal
    Federal 19 December 2015 14: 06
    11
    "It is hard to imagine that thanks to their participation in the conference in Riyadh, the" Ahraram "managed to" wash away "the terrorist stuffing."

    The Saudis, not without the approval of the mattresses, are pushing this terrorist organization, in fact, Saudi Arabia itself, together with Qatar (fostering), creates and covers these organizations.
  6. arane
    arane 19 December 2015 14: 07
    +9
    Not included in this list are the most dangerous terrorist groups - Qatar and Saudi Arabia! And it would be necessary
    1. Roman 25
      Roman 25 19 December 2015 14: 50
      +2
      It seems that you have taken the 2nd and 3rd place, and in the first capital Fashington
  7. AlexTires
    AlexTires 19 December 2015 14: 08
    +3
    Let them play their games, let them play - History, like the winners write lists of pardons. The people of Syria will figure it out .....
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 December 2015 14: 14
    +1
    This is just understandable. Must save their investments. Two divisions to maintain - this is how much money has gone and is leaving! But whether or not they can be saved is a question. And this is not a question of whether they were listed or not. This is a question of the airborne sighting systems and SAR gunners.
  9. MIKHALYCH1
    MIKHALYCH1 19 December 2015 14: 14
    +3
    These are the things going on ... But it wouldn’t hurt to sound like a Saudi! am
  10. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 19 December 2015 14: 14
    0
    Such here old-new scumbags will arise still in batches. May not accept the name of the group to be prohibited, but for example, on grounds of. After all, they have common views and intentions, plus methods for achieving their goals. According to these signs, they are terrorist.
    1. Monos
      Monos 19 December 2015 14: 45
      +4
      And also it is possible on sponsors and founders.
  11. Monos
    Monos 19 December 2015 14: 16
    +6
    These groups are like fly-by-night firms. Today they are "radical", and tomorrow they are "moderate." What is the point of making lists if they "re-register" for a "time"?
  12. 2s5giacints
    2s5giacints 19 December 2015 14: 18
    +2
    I couldn’t resist talking about the sofa, the member of the department from the category has nothing to say, but I want to ..
  13. Ivan Ivanovich
    Ivan Ivanovich 19 December 2015 14: 18
    +1
    Nothing interferes with their quiet races .... read ...
  14. 3 Gorynych
    3 Gorynych 19 December 2015 14: 20
    +1
    The more such "moderates" are pushed into the negotiation process, the more chances are to overwhelm the negotiation process, which is what the overseas leaders need!
  15. samarin1969
    samarin1969 19 December 2015 14: 21
    0
    Right now, all the bearded men will run under the umbrella of "Ahrar al-Sham" ... If they shoot at the troops of the SAR, they will receive a legitimate response ...
  16. Kibl
    Kibl 19 December 2015 14: 26
    0
    So who will offend his child!
  17. gop
    gop 19 December 2015 14: 40
    0
    Arabs, Russians for "suckers" will soon send their master to Syria, like let him steer
  18. kapitan92
    kapitan92 19 December 2015 14: 58
    +5
    After reading the article, I immediately remembered a phrase from the movie:
    "This leg is from the one who needs the leg"! smile
  19. BOB044
    BOB044 19 December 2015 15: 01
    +1

    According to the channel, the group was removed from the list at the insistence of Saudi Arabia, which considers it a “moderate” opposition
    Raven, the crow will not peck out the eye. hi
  20. vobels
    vobels 19 December 2015 15: 03
    +1
    "..the group was removed from the list at the insistence of Saudi Arabia .." Once again, the roofers were publicly identified, they completely lost their fear.
  21. kapitan92
    kapitan92 19 December 2015 15: 06
    +7
    Quote: BOB044

    According to the channel, the group was removed from the list at the insistence of Saudi Arabia, which considers it a “moderate” opposition
    Raven, the crow will not peck out the eye. hi

    .... The countries of Europe and Turkey have closed their skies for Russian Long-Range Aviation aircraft attacking the Islamic State (Arab. - Daesh, banned in the Russian Federation) in Syria, because of which Russian pilots were forced to make a route bypassing Europe, said Saturday, Major General Anatoly Konovalov, reporters of the commander of the Long-Range Aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces ....
    We have many helpers in the fight against terrorism!
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 19 December 2015 15: 14
      0
      As far as I understand, Jordan has prepared a list of terrorist organizations as she sees it, but it is not approved by all parties to the discussion.
      Foreign Minister Laurels on negotiations at the UN.
      Lavrov: the list of terrorists in Syria, prepared by Jordan, turned out to be contradictory
      The list of terrorist organizations in Syria prepared by Jordan was very controversial. This was stated on December 19 by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov following a meeting of the UN Security Council on the Syrian settlement.
      "We all decided to exchange assessments about who each of us considers a terrorist organization. We asked Jordanian Foreign Minister Nasser Joda to coordinate this work, which he did," Lavrov recalled.
      “Considering the rather diverse composition of the Vienna group, within which many countries occupy diametrically opposed positions, the list turned out to be very contradictory,” the head of the Russian diplomatic service noted. “There are many situations when one country considers a huge number of small groups to be terrorist, while another does not consider them as such. , she has her own list. "
      “Of course, we need to clarify here,” the minister stressed. “Therefore, we agreed to develop criteria so that later on to the IS (the terrorist group“ Islamic State ”banned in the Russian Federation - TASS note) and“ Jabhat al-Nusra ”, we would add more obvious terrorist groups ".
      http://tass.ru/politika/2542411
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 19 December 2015 15: 17
        0
        UN Security Council adopted a resolution on the peaceful settlement of the conflict in Syria
  22. iouris
    iouris 19 December 2015 15: 09
    +2
    The list of terrorist organizations from the Russian Federation should include: Qatar and Saudi Arabia. If anyone has entered into a coalition with them, this is their choice.
  23. Andryukha G
    Andryukha G 19 December 2015 15: 10
    +2
    The desperate attempts of the most disastrous US president to do at least something in the end.
    1. The Al-Qaeda project was unsuccessfully drowned out by the alleged murder of the leader and the hasty sinking of the "ends into the water."
    2. The destabilization of the situation in Libya, which led to the assassination of Gaddafi, shows the inability of the United States to solve its tasks in a civilized manner.
    3. The emergence of the ISIS group as a cover for the US actions in the East has further demonstrated the flawed "world leader". Obama's efforts to show (over a year and a half) the fight against terrorism led to a heap of refugees and terrorist attacks in Europe. The US is not respected by its allies.
    4. Complete failure of the Ukraine project. Obama proved to the whole world that US actions should be interpreted as an invasion of a sovereign state. The EU would not give a damn, it is happening right next to them.
    5. A chic gift of Russia in the form of Crimea. Putin is becoming the man of the year and the most powerful politician. Obama is a Nobel Peace Prize laureate, which sounds like a mockery and a kick from Sweden (regretted wretched).
    6. Scandals with the arrests of influential officials from international financial and sports organizations (IMF, FIFA). As a result - bewilderment in the international political arena by US actions.
    7. Failure of the project "sanctions" against Russia. Putin, who was predicted "political death" a year after the imposition of sanctions, provides military support to the current Syrian President Assad and achieves better results in a month than a coalition led by the United States in a year.
    8. The "oil" project failed, because the SA and Russia using dumping (only the OPEC countries and Russia announced an increase in production in 2016) will oust competitors from the market, and then it will be possible to raise prices. Arabia is the Middle East, and no one wants to be the second Gaddafi and Hussein - it's easier to negotiate with Russia.
    9. A strong country is gradually becoming a laughing stock against the background of Russia and China. Let's see, of course, what the new US president, appointed after Obama, will do. And the number of forbidden and non-forbidden gangs (under different names) in Syria, the United States can unfortunately clone for a long time.
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 19 December 2015 16: 55
      0
      Yes, the policy of ov will be eternal, while Europe exposes them to zh.opu!
  24. Belarus
    Belarus 19 December 2015 15: 11
    +1
    Well now, at least it’s at least clear that “Ahrar al-Sham” is the brainchild of the Saudis.
    It is noted that the "argali" also became part of the "Higher Committee on Negotiations
    argali, by the way, is a kind of mountain sheep, as it were cloven-hoofed.
  25. tanit
    tanit 19 December 2015 15: 35
    0
    Well, you must. Jordanian "korolki" decided to remind about themselves. The "great and mighty" decided to keep up with their neighbors. Since every Arab monarchy has its own gangs, why is Jordan worse? laughing
  26. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 19 December 2015 17: 39
    +1
    The list of terrorist organizations, which was presented by Jordan at the conference of the International Syrian Support Group in New York, does not include the Islamist group Ahrar al-Sham .... According to the channel (Al-Mayadin), the group was excluded from the list at the insistence of Saudi Arabia, which considers it a "moderate" opposition.

    What kind of anti-terrorist alliance and the establishment of peace in Syria can we talk about, if there are such countries - Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, which themselves are needed for their support of all this jihadist scum, and for so many years, they themselves should be ranked among terrorist organizations! One can imagine what a "peace" process, negotiations and "independent" elections await Syria!
  27. uge.garik
    uge.garik 19 December 2015 17: 57
    0
    ... and in the "Middle East" there is generally not an Islamic bandit-terrorist opposition ...
  28. gop
    gop 19 December 2015 18: 21
    0
    any opposition is mercenaries, and not an opposition at all, but a gang formation going against the regime, this is how the Ethiopians will say: Putin went "on" we are against you, and the Ethiopians will become an opposition
  29. carabiner sks
    carabiner sks 19 December 2015 19: 28
    0
    And what is this for the office where the "moderate" are registered? And they pay taxes there, probably ...
  30. Alexander_
    Alexander_ 19 December 2015 20: 11
    0
    And what, Russia will agree to this prostitution?
  31. staryivoin
    staryivoin 19 December 2015 20: 12
    0
    From the article
    "According to the channel, the group was removed from the list at the insistence of Saudi Arabia ..."

    Well, after all, everything is correct, Bin Laden and Al Qaeda did not interfere with anyone in the FSA for the time being, but when what happened in September 2001, for some reason, the attitude in Fashington towards Bin Laden changed.
    The action resembles a theater of the absurd (in Fashington) - do what you want. but don’t hurt me ...
    And then everything will change
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 19 December 2015 23: 50
      0
      Quote: staryivoin
      Well, after all, everything is correct, Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, for the time being, also to anyone in the FSA

      Alkaida is a product of the United States and has always served their interests and is now serving. B.Laden is finally a figure as much media and useful to the United States. And his "type of death" .. a performance of pure water.
      So your post is past)))
  32. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 20 December 2015 01: 32
    +2
    And by ""! We "work" officially, as Assad "asked" us, but what are they trying to do? who asks THEM? "OPPOSITION"? With a machine gun? Let them present such an "opposition" (with arms in hand) at home (USA, Canada, Brita ... etc.) How will it be? Is it possible or how? Definitely a double standard. Well, at least we don't bend under it, and that's good. Putin is harshly oppressing our line and in this matter he is great!
  33. Voltsky
    Voltsky 20 December 2015 01: 34
    0
    not how much is not caught, but perhaps a couple of juicy videos or testimonies will correct this omission. But there is, but the "Achrars" will not fight with IS, there will be no bonuses with the Syrian army, and there will be no coordination with the Aerospace Forces either, I suppose the Aerospace Forces will be slightly mistaken and help them get to the Hurias :)
  34. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 20 December 2015 18: 41
    0
    It is believed that there are scales and they weigh someone somewhere. It turns out that they are castrated immediately to the virgin gurias, but I don’t understand why they need it. fellow
  35. archimer
    archimer 20 December 2015 21: 51
    0
    What would the best aces of the USSR answer!