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The Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation: Kiev has no chance of winning a court case on the 3 billionth debt

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Kiev's moratorium on paying debt in $ 3 billion is illegal and Russia will go to the end in legal proceedings to return the money, reports RIA News Statement by Deputy Finance Minister Sergei Storchak. Debt is due on December 20.


The Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation: Kiev has no chance of winning a court case on the 3 billionth debt


Speaking about the introduction by the Ukrainian government of a moratorium on debt repayment, Storchak noted that "this decision was not a surprise." According to him, "it became unexpected that Ukraine, introducing a moratorium, mixed sovereign obligations with corporate debts."

"The decision of Ukraine will not change the tactics of the authorities of the Russian Federation related to the implementation of the plan to start a trial with the debtor," said the deputy minister.

He explained that “in accordance with the credit documentation, the fact of non-payment is recognized upon the expiration of the 10-day grace period after the date of payment of external debt obligations”, which Kiev will have on December 20.

“Thus, despite the moratorium ... we still proceed from the practical expediency of starting a trial only after the 10-day grace period has expired,” said Storchak.

At the same time, he expressed confidence that "colleagues from Ukraine, as potential participants in the trial, have no chance of winning this process."

Arseniy Yatsenyuk, as you know, said recently that Ukraine is ready for a lawsuit. However, after Storchak’s speech, the Ukrainian Ministry of Finance in the person of Natalia Yaresko expressed hope for a “pre-trial settlement of the issue”.

But Kiev does not currently have a source to refinance debt.

“Of course, it can be assumed that someone will refinance Ukraine or, as they say, refinances the accumulated debt, but after the start of litigation, there will most likely not be anyone willing from the private sector,” Storchak commented on the situation.
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  1. Stoler
    Stoler 19 December 2015 10: 34 New
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    Это смотря кто "судить" будет! А то еще и мы должны будем! wassat
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 19 December 2015 10: 39 New
      +3
      They will probably be judged in Sweden, there they don’t rake in international arbitration on matters of money, they don’t give away goods, but they took money, etc.

      Well, in Sweden now pro-American sentiment and almost the US base from evil Russians are asked. Therefore, the decision will be as Obama says.
      1. Maks-80
        Maks-80 19 December 2015 10: 51 New
        +6
        There will be a trial in London. (There was a loan under English law).
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 19 December 2015 11: 02 New
          +3
          Well, then the chances are even less than in Sweden.
          1. Byshido_dis
            Byshido_dis 19 December 2015 11: 10 New
            +7
            Comrades, explain to me, but what does this decision threaten them with? Well, there will be a court, well, he decides to pay us, so they refuse, what's next? I mean, if a neighbor has borrowed from you and doesn’t give it back, you can fill his face, but then there’s another case ... what pressure mechanisms are there in Ukraine in this case?
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            3. avt
              avt 19 December 2015 11: 45 New
              +9
              Quote: Byshido_dis
              Comrades, explain to me, but what does this decision threaten them with?

              Отказ от выплаты по евробондам купленным на Ирландской бирже под гарантии семьи Ротшильдов кажется, контролирующих их выпуск и гарантирующих их обеспечение - выплату по купонам процентов( что Яйценюх крича -,,Не будем платить !"Делал регулярно и в срок) означает дефолт государства эти бонды разместившие автоматически без всякого суда или заявлений . Так что ,,мораторий" Яйценюха им заявленный , это еще не дефолт - истерика , дефолт наступает
              “In accordance with the credit documentation, the fact of non-payment is recognized after a 10-day grace period after the date of payment of obligations on external debt”,
              Quote: Byshido_dis
              Well, there will be a court, well, he decides to pay us, so they will refuse,

              Of course they will refuse.
              Quote: Byshido_dis
              what's next?

              Further in all countries that support the jurisdiction of the court, and for a minute, almost everything, automatic debiting of funds from the accounts of the debtor to the accounts of the borrower occurs, if the borrower finds the property of the debtor in the country supporting the jurisdiction of the court, then he goes to the court of the country, arrests the property in order to deal with it transactions of purchase and sale and change of ownership were not made in any form, and actually takes it, or puts it up for sale - to receive the proceeds with money.
              Quote: fyvaprold
              . If international authorities allow Ukraine not to pay, they will set a precedent and thereby legitimize any non-payment of debts,

              По факту выстроенная банкирскими домами ,которые древней государства Украина на порядок , дает могучую трещину на манер косовской с последствиями вполне предсказуемыми ,а именно- марлезонский балет открывается призывом-,,Кидают все!" laughing In the long term, in the interstate affairs, painted paper will not even cost the ink on which something is written on it. There is another option - the guarantor, as part of the purchase of bonds, settles the CAM with the bond holder by bilateral agreement and the CAM already skins the debtor taking into account the costs incurred. But it will another is commercial history.
              1. _Vladislav_
                _Vladislav_ 19 December 2015 11: 53 New
                +2
                Arseniy Yatsenyuk, as you know, said recently that Ukraine is ready for a lawsuit. However, after Storchak’s speech, the Ukrainian Ministry of Finance in the person of Natalia Yaresko expressed hope for a “pre-trial settlement of the issue”.
                But Kiev does not currently have a source to refinance debt.

              2. your1970
                your1970 19 December 2015 12: 35 New
                +1
                and it starts ...
                No one will lend anyone, an American public debt will come up ( belay repeat fellow )
                1. avt
                  avt 19 December 2015 15: 10 New
                  +1
                  Quote: your1970
                  and it starts ...
                  No one will lend anyone, an American public debt will come up (

                  Do the right way of thinking comrade! good It is this perspective that looms in case of breaking the rules of the Game established now. It is from such a precedent
                  Quote: avt
                  , дает могучую трещину на манер косовской с последствиями вполне предсказуемыми ,а именно- марлезонский балет открывается призывом-,,Кидают все!" Рисованная бумага не будет стоить в перспективе в межгосударственных делах даже краски , которой на ней что то написано.
                  and in reality, the output could be a global roll of government securities, most of which were issued by the USA bench.
                  Quote: Nikolai K
                  . It is unlikely that the state of Ukraine will have 3 billion dollars of property in foreign jurisdictions.

                  ,,Палитыческая наиывност "-пр решении суда даже выделяемые МВФ кредиты Юкрену заводятся на счета кредитора - первоочередника по погашению долга ,определяемого решением того самого суда .
              3. dmi.pris
                dmi.pris 19 December 2015 17: 40 New
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                Nothing will start ... There are thousands of tricks, force majeure, etc. ... Especially for Westerners, Russia is like a red rag for a bull, court decisions do not work here!
                Quote: avt
                Quote: Byshido_dis
                Comrades, explain to me, but what does this decision threaten them with?

                Отказ от выплаты по евробондам купленным на Ирландской бирже под гарантии семьи Ротшильдов кажется, контролирующих их выпуск и гарантирующих их обеспечение - выплату по купонам процентов( что Яйценюх крича -,,Не будем платить !"Делал регулярно и в срок) означает дефолт государства эти бонды разместившие автоматически без всякого суда или заявлений . Так что ,,мораторий" Яйценюха им заявленный , это еще не дефолт - истерика , дефолт наступает
                “In accordance with the credit documentation, the fact of non-payment is recognized after a 10-day grace period after the date of payment of obligations on external debt”,
                Quote: Byshido_dis
                Well, there will be a court, well, he decides to pay us, so they will refuse,

                Of course they will refuse.
                Quote: Byshido_dis
                what's next?

                Further in all countries that support the jurisdiction of the court, and for a minute, almost everything, automatic debiting of funds from the accounts of the debtor to the accounts of the borrower occurs, if the borrower finds the property of the debtor in the country supporting the jurisdiction of the court, then he goes to the court of the country, arrests the property in order to deal with it transactions of purchase and sale and change of ownership were not made in any form, and actually takes it, or puts it up for sale - to receive the proceeds with money.
                Quote: fyvaprold
                . If international authorities allow Ukraine not to pay, they will set a precedent and thereby legitimize any non-payment of debts,

                По факту выстроенная банкирскими домами ,которые древней государства Украина на порядок , дает могучую трещину на манер косовской с последствиями вполне предсказуемыми ,а именно- марлезонский балет открывается призывом-,,Кидают все!" laughing In the long term, in the interstate affairs, painted paper will not even cost the ink on which something is written on it. There is another option - the guarantor, as part of the purchase of bonds, settles the CAM with the bond holder by bilateral agreement and the CAM already skins the debtor taking into account the costs incurred. But it will another is commercial history.
                1. avt
                  avt 19 December 2015 19: 12 New
                  +1
                  Quote: dmi.pris
                  Nothing starts ... There are thousands of tricks, force majeure, etc.

                  Have you read the contract for the purchase of euro bonds and you know exactly for ITD ??
                  Quote: S_last
                  e this was not done in the following cases.

                  But thinking yourself is not a hunt? Well, over a simple thought - a credited country can pay with something else that the creditor state in the person of its leadership needs at the current time. A long-term loan is a good leash for the leadership of a credited country. Then, probably, an understanding will come of why the GDP has settled ahead of schedule with the state debt of Russia since the EBN, despite Zyuganov's grumbling about why what ahead of schedule? Or not deep, the main communist broadcast such a thing .... who knows ... Money in the Big Game is a means of politics and politics milk, and not a goal, naturally for a Game Player, rather than nouveau yourself a player who thinks.
              4. S_last
                S_last 19 December 2015 18: 08 New
                +3
                You sorted everything out, then explain why all this was not done in the following cases.

                1. Cuba - $ 31,7 billion
                According to experts, we would never have received this debt back anyway. And so they threw the "carrot" and strengthened their positions near the United States.
                2. Iraq - $ 21,5 billion
                The debt was written off twice - $ 9,5 billion (from $ 10,5) in 2004 and $ 12 billion (from $ 12,9) in 2008. The second time it was a new debt, on loans received after the forgiveness of the previous debt in 2004.
                3. African countries - more than $ 20 billion
                Decommissioned “in bulk” in the period after the 2008 year in the manner of “fraternal assistance”.
                4. Mongolia - $ 11,1 billion
                Decommissioned in 2003 year. Mongolia, however, immediately returned the remaining $ 300 million of debt.
                5. Afghanistan - $ 11 billion
                Debts for the supply of Soviet military equipment, written off after 2006 year.
                6. North Korea - $ 10 billion
                One of the latest "gifts", after 2012 year. Not all were written off, $ 1 billion of debt for the DPRK still remained.
                7. Syria - $ 9,8 billion
                Written off in 2005 year (of $ 13,4 billion of debt). In exchange, a number of agreements were signed in the field of construction, oil and gas.
                8. Vietnam - $ 9,53 billion
                In total, the Vietnamese debt at that time amounted to $ 11,03 billion, the balance should be paid by 2022. True, not directly, but through investments in joint projects with Russia in Vietnam.
                9. Ethiopia - about $ 6 billion
                In 2001, $ 4,8 billion of $ 6 billion of debt was written off, four years later - another $ 1,1 billion, that is, almost everything.
                10. Algeria - $ 4,7 billion
                The write-off occurred in 2006-2007. In exchange, the country undertook to purchase from us industrial products for this or a larger amount.
                In recent years - in 2012-2014 - in addition to North Korea and Cuba, Kyrgyzstan’s debt of $ 599 million has been written off (after which the country was about to join the Customs Union) and now $ 865 million to Uzbekistan.
                In total, since the 2000 of the year Russia has forgiven its partners more than $ 140 billion.


                Everything will be fine, Russia is a country rich in three billion more, three less, no one will notice.
              5. zennon
                zennon 19 December 2015 20: 26 New
                +1
                Quote: avt
                which the ancient state of Ukraine is an order of magnitude,

                I agree with everything except this statement. You, dear well, at least a history textbook would be read (Ukrainian). It is clearly said that proto-U.K.R.es appeared long before the Jews with their Old Testament! It's a shame on you to write this!
                1. avt
                  avt 20 December 2015 10: 32 New
                  +1
                  Quote: zennon
                  .You, dear well, at least a history textbook would be read (Ukrainian). It is clearly said that proto-U.K.R. appeared long before the Jews with their Old Testament! It's a shame on you to write this!
                  good
                  And don’t talk! I forgot about Adamenko! wassat Bitter to me ...... Bitter-to! laughing I’m going to drink a couple of drops of essential valerian and look for the globe of Ukraine - I need to somehow liquidate my own illiteracy.
              6. NIKNN
                NIKNN 20 December 2015 00: 05 New
                +3
                avt (3) RU Today, 11:45


                A detailed and comprehensive answer. + no options. hi
            4. Nikolay K
              Nikolay K 19 December 2015 11: 58 New
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              The court we will win. But there are two problems: secondly, how long will it take. And most importantly, how then to execute the court decision. It is unlikely that the state of Ukraine will have on 3 billion dollars of property in foreign jurisdictions.
              1. SRC P-15
                SRC P-15 19 December 2015 12: 03 New
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                Quote: Nikolai K
                The court we will win.

                It seems to me that the longer our leaders talk about the court in debt, the greater the likelihood that everything will be decided without a court. Looking forward to the New Year.
            5. veksha50
              veksha50 19 December 2015 12: 02 New
              +5
              Quote: Byshido_dis
              What mechanisms of pressure on Ukraine in this case are?



              Yes, actually no ... can you go to war?

              There is still an interesting factor in the absence of mechanisms ...

              Sberbank of Russia, the founder of which is the Bank of Russia, still carries out its operations in Ukraine ... At the same time, not a single branch of Sberbank is present in the territory of Crimea precisely at the request and threats of Ukraine that they will arrest the assets of Sberbank if it appears in Crimea ...

              That is, Bank of Russia (at the same time, according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation and its charter, it is not really the Bank that of Russia) he, with his own hands, created a mechanism for Ukraine’s influence on Russia, which implies the threat of the arrest of all the assets of Sberbank of Russia in Ukraine ...

              How do you like this situation ???

              And billions of dollars are spinning there ...

              And here we often make a noise at VO about some kind of an illusory fifth column ... Bulk-Oral and some old whore there ...

              And then the BANK of Russia and Sberbank of Russia created, to put it mildly, a delicate situation for the government and the president of Russia ???

              And this is a fact that you can’t argue against ... A fact that is silent, hushed up by all the media ...

              PS Conducting its activities on the territory of Ukraine, Sberbank of Russia pays it and the corresponding taxes ... Further - do not continue ??? Or, nevertheless, to ascertain the fact that the Bank of Russia and Sberbank of Russia replenish the budget of a hostile, aggressive country towards us ???
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              2. kare
                kare 19 December 2015 12: 54 New
                +1
                Quote: veksha50
                Sberbank of Russia, the founder of which is the Bank of Russia, still carries out its operations in Ukraine ... At the same time, not a single branch of Sberbank is present in the territory of Crimea precisely at the request and threats of Ukraine that they will arrest the assets of Sberbank if it appears in Crimea ...


                Why is Sberbank of Crimea? Why will I collect the RF in general

                Unfortunately, the moderator does not want to open a photo where the prosperous Czechs, gref, german, lend loans well at a very low rate.
                There are suspicions that the moderator on the couch at the gref
                Have an eye link
                http://zergulio.livejournal.com/2215409.html
                1. kare
                  kare 19 December 2015 13: 19 New
                  +2
                  And of course, the central bank, as without it, at the head of which, again, with the body and soul of a Russian man
                2. lis-ik
                  lis-ik 19 December 2015 15: 53 New
                  0
                  Немного не в тему, но хочу поделиться личными наблюдениями в Крыму по работе сотовых операторов, естественно Российских. Действительно кроме МТС карту не купишь, и я уезжая туда отдыхать естественно ещё дома купил МТС, что бы не платить международный роуминг, по факту взял с собой ещё "Билайн" и "Мегафон", так вот кроме "Мегафона" все работали, как на территории России хотя громогласно об этом никто не заявлял, по факту "Билайн" при тарифе "Вся Россия" стал даже дешевле разрекламированного МТС, деньги любят тишину. К сожалению это не про сбер, хотя в режиме онлайн на территории Крыма я с карточки сбера оплатил паром.
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              3. S_last
                S_last 19 December 2015 18: 25 New
                0
                Well, is he in Ukraine, so what? In Russia, capitalism has been 25 years old. Read the works of classics, such as Stalin. I don’t understand where the outrage came from. In 2014, Sberbank made a profit of just over 100 billion hryvnias there, which, among other things, went to the production of the calibers Armat and Yarsov, so beloved here. And Sberbank will not be there, so a holy place does not happen to be empty. Citibank, bankfamerica and so on will come, they will earn profit, on the tamahawks, tridents and abrams.
                And not some facts are not hushed up, who wanted and to whom it was interesting knew about this 10 years ago. You just did not read the financial news. Well and most importantly
                the notions of “patriots” about a “state” ruled in state, national interests is only a Soviet habit.
              4. kapitan92
                kapitan92 20 December 2015 23: 41 New
                +4
                Почему только "Сбербанк", но и "ВТБ 24" работает на Украине. Мало того, что они работают, так они проводят докапитализацию на сотни млн. баксов.

                Kiev and Yuzhmash defaulted and Sber fell to 500 million. tanks. Probably he will close this hole at our expense.
            6. Baloo
              Baloo 19 December 2015 18: 59 New
              0
              They don’t talk about this, but the IMF frankly hints to the Kiev big top to get a loan, sell land. Last year's data: the largest landowner of Banderkraina-Porosenko (300 thousand ha), it was announced yesterday that a certain American company already owns 400 thousand ha.
              The internet has already discussed the plan of macaque monkeys from Phashington to make a baaaalsh ranch for growing GMO products from banderkarina.
              The current junta do not care Ukraine and Ukrainians tomorrow. It is important for them to saw off the fat, hide and dump. The egg-jerk is the first to tear, he has American and Canadian passports, his sister is not the last person among American Scientologists. Judging by the show with a flying glass, a conflict of interests of different Western financial groups has already begun. Egg Creation of Scientologists. The ambassador of America in Kiev sent eggs to rest in the Crimea, so what? For Nalivaichenko’s tsarl, the ambassador very obsessively recommends that Porosenko change the Prosecutor General. The same thing the IMF-create a prosecutor's office on corruption. Next year we are waiting for a grand show: redistribution of spheres of influence under the brand name of the fight against corruption. Will there be a war in the Donbass, I think it will be. Everyone is waiting for something. While banderlogs are approaching militias: they are clearing demining, quietly occupying empty settlements, shooting, in general, as in Ossetia in 2008. The offensive will probably begin during some major international event to put Russia before the fact and force it to accept unfavorable conditions. This will probably coincide with the aggression against Transnistria and the invasion of Turkofuhrer in Syria in our area of ​​responsibility, i.e. provocation of the Turks and at the same time the promotion of banderlogs. Tufft will stir something up in Moscow. Wait and see. I want to make a mistake. And this Kiev gang will not give back the debt, they will dump and shift the responsibility to the following. Those, too, will be snatched and dumped, and so on ad infinitum. hi
          2. shuhartred
            shuhartred 19 December 2015 11: 39 New
            +2
            Да ладно. Аглицкое право прецедентное. Позволят не отдавать одним, все отдавать перестанут и куда в таком случае укатится мировая финансовая система? Хм-м... правда америкосам выгодно, могут "простить" всем свой гигантский госдолг.
          3. zennon
            zennon 19 December 2015 20: 21 New
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            Quote: donavi49
            Well, then the chances are even less than in Sweden.

            Nonsense. The court will be won unconditionally. There is nothing to say. The Kokhls know this very well. They have no choice — either default or court. .During this time, he will leave his post. That is, he will not be responsible for anything. Well, as the outskirts continue to plunge, he will not worry about it. Again, the Cohls have no even theoretical chances to win the court. The task is to extend time.
        2. veksha50
          veksha50 19 December 2015 11: 53 New
          +2
          Quote: Maks-80
          There will be a trial in London. (In English law there was a loan).


          I apologize - in English-Saxon ...

          And in Russia, we have a Romano-Germanic ...

          But Anglo-Saxon law is based on precedents, and there will already be a mess ... If you award it, do not repay Russia, this will create a precedent for the entire world community, and then any borrower will be able to send his creditors far away in the subsequent course of time ...

          So, no matter how Obama or whoever presses the London court, they will have to sniff him a hundred times before deciding before passing a sentence ...

          So, in general, there is hope for a debt, there will only be an open question - when, in what time frame and from what means Ukraine will be able to repay it ...

          Well, say Yaytsenyukh and Yaresko: we don’t have money ... Even the pockets will be publicly twisted ...
          And when asked - where do you get the money for the war (ATO) from? - they will answer: Conscious citizens donate to the war ...
        3. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 19 December 2015 17: 29 New
          -1
          Kakalam court is not a decree ... Just look at the court that the lawsuit from Russia, so theirs Themis will write such a fortress. Storchak must really look at things ..
          Quote: Maks-80
          There will be a trial in London. (There was a loan under English law).
      2. Altona
        Altona 19 December 2015 16: 46 New
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        Well, in Sweden now pro-American sentiment and almost the US base from evil Russians are asked. Therefore, the decision will be as Obama says.

        --------------------
        I do not know what Ukraine is seeking? Obligations on such debts will be fulfilled automatically, regardless of the wishes of Yatsenyuk, the IMF, the arbitration court. Funds received to the account of Ukraine should be automatically credited to the account of the creditor for sovereign debt. That's all. This was known from the very beginning, without any blah blah blah. Therefore, lending to Ukraine in any case will be stopped, because it will mean settlement with Russia. Well, what about the court? The court will only determine the legality of whose claims, no more.
    2. fyvaprold
      fyvaprold 19 December 2015 10: 40 New
      +6
      Quote: Stoler
      Это смотря кто "судить" будет! А то еще и мы должны будем!

      Yes, who would not judge. If international authorities allow Ukraine not to pay, they will set a precedent and thereby legitimize any non-payment of debts, and no one will lend to anyone. Sincerely.
      PS:
      Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation: Kiev has no chance to win a lawsuit in the $ 3 billion dog

      Three billionth dogo - that's cool! laughing laughing laughing
      1. Lukich
        Lukich 19 December 2015 10: 46 New
        +6
        Quote: fyvaprold
        If international authorities allow Ukraine not to pay, they will set a precedent and thereby legitimize any non-payment of debts,

        But this is sasham. they must the whole world
        1. 34 region
          34 region 19 December 2015 11: 01 New
          0
          Debtors not only the United States, but all countries of the world. Different amounts only. Well, the ratio of debt to GDP. Then another moment. We are going to not recognize the supremacy of international laws over Russian ones. AND! We serve in the international court! Question. How will it look like? In addition to our debts, there are other countries. How will we share the debts? What will we take for debts? Let's say the debt of Russia is 30% of the remaining debts. Take 30% of Ukraine’s debt?
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 19 December 2015 12: 18 New
            +2
            Quote: Region 34
            We are going to not recognize the supremacy of international laws over Russian ones. AND! We serve in the international court!



            The document you are talking about says a little differently - do not recognize laws that contradict the norms of the Russian Constitution ...

            Right - it has always been and will remain tricky, allowing any competent lawyer to win the battle if necessary ... Or to lose ingloriously, without building a casuistic-hook pyramid ...

            PS Here, what you are talking about can turn against Russia in conjunction with the Yukos case ... But we don’t want to give the awarded debt ... And the awarded debt is much more than 3 billion ... That's the problem .. .
        2. veksha50
          veksha50 19 December 2015 12: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: Lukich
          But this is sasham. they must the whole world



          Um ... But you're right ... I somehow did not think about it when I wrote my comment ...

          Then the United States, which also lives on the Anglo-Saxon system, will even be beneficial if the London court recognizes the possibility of Ukraine not paying its debt to Russia ...

          Well, Lukich, just like Kozma Prutkov - you see the root !!! hi
      2. revnagan
        revnagan 19 December 2015 11: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: fyvaprold
        thereby legitimize any non-payment of debts, and no one will lend to anyone. Sincerely.

        Ну да,ну да."Закон как дышло,куда повернёшь,туда и вышло..."Вы до сих пор верите в нерушимость правил,которые устанавливает Запад?Если им надо,они меняют свои правила прямо во время игры.Так что нет никаких гарантий,что махнут рукой и скажут:"А,ладно,один раз-не п....раст.Но только один!"И всё тут.В общем поживём-увидим.
      3. Lelek
        Lelek 19 December 2015 11: 45 New
        0
        Quote: fyvaprold
        A three billion dog is cool!


        С учётом процентов по просрочке возврата $3,073 млрд. Нам эти деньги сейчас ой-как нужны, значит суд нужно выиграть, но бывшая Украина всё равно расплатиться не сможет - казна пуста, единственно, что она сможет отдать - жалкие остатки золотого запаса, но тогда "государству" кирдык. yes
    3. meriem1
      meriem1 19 December 2015 10: 40 New
      +4
      Quote: Stoler
      Это смотря кто "судить" будет! А то еще и мы должны будем! wassat


      It will not work! There is a legal office with guarantees))) Theirs! And they say that Rokferovskaya. Nobody will make a pocket for himself because of Krajina! Do they need it? It would be because of whom!
    4. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 19 December 2015 10: 41 New
      23
      Всем "братским народам" посвящается! Ну вы поняли меня...(без обиды) drinks
      1. Riperbahn
        Riperbahn 19 December 2015 11: 33 New
        +1
        Thank. To tears...
        1. _Vladislav_
          _Vladislav_ 19 December 2015 16: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
          Всем "братским народам" посвящается! Ну вы поняли меня...(без обиды)

          This is Enjoykin - NyashMyash, and Klichno (tomorrow) is all his work.
          Including this one.

      2. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 19 December 2015 12: 29 New
        +5
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        Well, you understand me ... (

        I did not understand Mikhalych. Never laughed at the participants of the Second World War, why this video?
        “The head of the political department of the 18th Army, Colonel comrade, took an active part in repelling the German offensive. Brezhnev. The calculation of one easel machine gun (ordinary Kadyrov, Abdurzakov, from the replenishment) was confused and did not open fire in a timely manner. Before the German platoon, taking advantage of this, we got to our positions to throw a grenade. Comrade Brezhnev physically affected the machine gunners and forced them to join the battle. Having suffered significant losses, the Germans retreated, leaving several wounded on the battlefield. By order of comrade "Brezhnev’s calculation conducted targeted fire on them until he destroyed it."
        The chief of the political department of the 18th Army, Colonel Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev, sailed to Malaya Zemlya forty times, and this was dangerous, as some ships on the road were blown up by mines and died from direct shells and air bombs. Once the seiner, on which Brezhnev sailed, ran into a mine, the colonel was thrown into the sea ... the sailors picked him up ...
        - S. A. Borzenko in the article “225 days of courage and courage” (“Truth”, 1943) [
        Major General L.I. Brezhnev at the historic Victory Parade on June 24, 1945
    5. kil 31
      kil 31 19 December 2015 10: 45 New
      10
      The Minister of Finance of Ukraine Natalia Yaresko hopes that Ukraine and Russia will be able to agree on a debt in pre-trial procedure, with such a statement she made on BloombergTV.
      Who says what. If only they would choose one position. It seems to me that everything will be decided will not let young democracy die. WAITING FOR WALKERS FROM THE WEST
      1. captain
        captain 19 December 2015 11: 05 New
        +6
        It was not worth giving, which was not clear at that moment? Our rulers thought to buy money, but they were mistaken. Russia has invested in Ukraine 200bn. dollars (including all investments), and the United States 5 billion. And I must say that the efficiency of investing money by the Americans was an order of magnitude higher. They got their way. Ukraine was turned into a hot spot near Russia, and most of the people opposed the Russians, we were sanctioned. We are now also helping the DPR and LPR, and not only products. The United States arranged an economic crisis for us. Although our president said who should hit first, but for some reason he didn’t finish the Bandera party in 2014, it would be worth less problems. Ready to take minus from all the patriots.
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 19 December 2015 12: 25 New
          0
          Quote: captain
          Russia has invested 200 billion in Ukraine. dollars (including all investments), and the United States 5 billion. And I must say that the efficiency of investing money by the Americans was an order of magnitude higher.



          Yur, we had different goals ... Bad business (destruction) is always cheaper ...

          And the fact that they made a mistake in working with Ukraine ... so, not only with Ukraine ... the train left, it’s too late to sprinkle hair with ashes ...

          And the fact that on the Crimean wave it was necessary to return the Lenin-Stalin-Khrushchev gifts at once to home - yes ... And now it is already difficult ...
    6. valerei
      valerei 19 December 2015 12: 13 New
      +1
      Why bother to sue? Who now remembers the TENS of billions that were presented by Russian rulers to other debtors? The same Iraq, by the way, with oil, i.e. not a beggar? And then there are only THREE billion! Seeds !.
    7. nycsson
      nycsson 19 December 2015 23: 22 New
      0
      Quote: Stoler
      Это смотря кто "судить" будет! А то еще и мы должны будем! wassat

      I read the title of the article. I didn’t go further. What are the chances of Kiev? request What kind of regular idiot !? When the truth begins to look into the eyes ..... fool
  2. Dezinto
    Dezinto 19 December 2015 10: 35 New
    +4
    3 billion mastiff ???.

    Not. This is Senya - the billionth rabbit! Who insolently, magnificently celebrated his billion dollars, which is very deliciously spat on his whole country!
  3. kursk87
    kursk87 19 December 2015 10: 40 New
    +4
    The lawsuit with Kiev will be long! The West will stick in the wheel in order to keep its project in Ukraine
  4. The black
    The black 19 December 2015 10: 41 New
    +5
    Quote: Stoler
    Это смотря кто "судить" будет! А то еще и мы должны будем! wassat

    It is unlikely that there is no case for the rights of Russia to the London court, but the West is afraid to simply allow such a precedent for the sake of some kind of Ukraine. True, the process will be long and we will not receive the money soon.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 19 December 2015 10: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: Black
      but the West is afraid to simply allow such a precedent for the sake of some Ukraine there.

      Kosovo
    2. Lukich
      Lukich 19 December 2015 10: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: Black
      It is unlikely that there is no case before the rights of Russia to the London court

      so londonHe was a surety. we took his shares as collateral)
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 19 December 2015 11: 01 New
        +4
        Quote: Lukich
        so london he was the guarantor

        if a gentleman gave the word to a native, then it is insignificant, but for them we have always been and will be natives
  5. Olegater
    Olegater 19 December 2015 10: 42 New
    +1
    3 billion mastiff ??? Wow dog visited 404. Probably instead of a white and fluffy scribe. Judging by the fact that they smoke or consume and act accordingly, I am not surprised that one more or less small animal has been replaced by such an animal. And I ask the moderators not to change the title, this really reflects the situation in Ukraine.
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 December 2015 10: 43 New
    +6
    Они бы и в суде Россию с удовольствием бы "кинули", но там уж очень последствия будут глобальные. Общемировые будут последствия. И Греция будет первой. В очереди, объявить мораторий по долгам! А таймене длинная очередь желающих выстроится.
    Or maybe this mattress defaults to rehearsing? laughing
    And what will become of them.
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 19 December 2015 11: 10 New
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Or maybe this mattress defaults to rehearsing?

      whose?
    2. mihasik
      mihasik 19 December 2015 11: 28 New
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Or maybe this mattress defaults to rehearsing?

      But this is very powerful) to be! The IMF has already rewritten laws for defaults.
      The USA does this not for Ukraine, but for itself. Zero debts, and the whole world through the IMF will again feed the United States. No wonder that the USA has a very strong Jewish lobby laughing
      And who will excite the gunboats to help!
      Not well, but what? Everything in the ass, and the United States again in chocolate and zero debt! laughing
      1. mihasik
        mihasik 19 December 2015 11: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: mihasik
        Not well, but what? Everything in the ass, and the United States again in chocolate and zero debt!

        И кстати в связи с этими предположениями, в другом свете видятся военные базы США по всему свету. Они действительно не против РФ ( в прямую), а для контроля территорий с которых будут качать ресурсы на "халяву" в случае дефолта США.
        Note that the EU has almost no colonies with military bases in the world, although the EU is also a specific global debtor, but in the USA with colonies the opposite picture! laughing
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 19 December 2015 12: 05 New
          0
          Quote: mihasik
          будут качать ресурсы на "халяву" в случае дефолта США.

          фантазии насчёт "дефолта США" представляются слишком смелыми. Есть предпосылки?
          1. mihasik
            mihasik 19 December 2015 12: 34 New
            0
            Quote: Zeppelin ml.
            Quote: mihasik
            будут качать ресурсы на "халяву" в случае дефолта США.

            фантазии насчёт "дефолта США" представляются слишком смелыми. Есть предпосылки?

            Так тут же, рядышком: "Конец мировой финансовой системы, или Стартовый пистолет уже выстрелил".
            It’s like with a visual correction: stand too close — you can’t see the big picture, but you can clearly see individual objects that strongly impose on you that they are the main ones. It is worth to move a little further away, oops! The picture is radically changing.
            Yes, and every increase in the US government debt bar does not win any thoughts?
            1. Zeppelin ml.
              Zeppelin ml. 19 December 2015 15: 03 New
              0
              Quote: mihasik
              Yes, and every increase in the US government debt bar does not win any thoughts?

              not. If the bar is not raised, there will be a systemic cataclysm in the global economy. Everyone understands this. In the ratio of government debt to GDP, the States are far from the first. Japan has 242%, Greece 174%. And nothing, no defaults.
  7. bubalik
    bubalik 19 December 2015 10: 44 New
    +1
    ,,,, the country has no money, why will they give it back ?,, our forgive, as usual (H ,,,, nicknames). they can’t take their own,
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 19 December 2015 11: 48 New
      -1
      Quote: bubalik
      , our forgive, as usual (H ,,,, nicknames). they can’t take their own

      а Вы и рецепт знаете, как "взять своё"?
      1. bubalik
        bubalik 19 December 2015 20: 37 New
        0
        Цеппелин-мл. DE  Сегодня, 11:48а Вы и рецепт знаете, как "взять своё"?


        ... there are no fools, don’t worry, they’ll take theirs as they should ,,,
  8. moskowit
    moskowit 19 December 2015 10: 45 New
    +1
    Помните, как Глеб Жиглов говорил в известном фильме: " Как знать, как знать!"...
  9. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 19 December 2015 10: 45 New
    0
    Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation: Kiev has no chance to win a lawsuit in the $ 3 billion dog
    I wouldn’t be so sure
  10. s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 19 December 2015 10: 45 New
    +1
    Arseniy Yatsenyuk, as you know, recently said that Ukraine is ready for a lawsuit.
    What is he hoping for? A freebie here certainly will not work. But he hopes he’s an asshole. The US will help, but this is probably not the case, Senya.
  11. sichevik
    sichevik 19 December 2015 10: 46 New
    +3
    And who are the judges ???? Now, if everything was exactly the opposite, on the contrary - Not the outskirts owe Russia $ 3,5 billion, but Russia should, the court session would not have lasted even five minutes. And so will the snot on the Svidomo face smear and drag out all this action for years, sort of, ten, or maybe more.
  12. mihasik
    mihasik 19 December 2015 10: 47 New
    +3
    Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation: Kiev has no chance to win a lawsuit in the $ 3 billion dog

    I would not be very happy.
    Как известно Запад, как и Украина "на зло маме, отморожу уши" сделает все чтобы нагадить РФ (санкции/контрсанкции) в пример. Решение суда по долгу Украины, также может быть "неожиданным", хоть и "убьет" судебную систему Запада, как беспристрастного арбитра. И что? Кого сейчас интересуют правила и законность и кто кому верит?)
    Так что ждем очередных "сюрпризов" и заочно прощаемся с деньгами.
    1. Born in USSR
      Born in USSR 19 December 2015 10: 57 New
      +3
      Quote: mihasik
      Решение суда по долгу Украины, также может быть "неожиданным"

      I fully support. And I got such a thought. Western laws too often equate to a drawbar. Where they turn, that is true.
  13. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 19 December 2015 10: 47 New
    +6
    The optimism of the Ministry of Finance pleases. But here the question torments me even for a long time. And who is responsible for the distribution of such loans that do not take into account all the risks. Money back and forth, and then new initiatives: working pensioners do not index pensions, raising the retirement age, all sorts of Platon, additional fees for using electric networks, and so on. Something to me, colleagues, is not to my liking.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 19 December 2015 10: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: ODERVIT
      not taking all risks into account.

      Are you seriously
      1. ODERVIT
        ODERVIT 19 December 2015 17: 20 New
        0
        Absolutely.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 20 December 2015 22: 54 New
          0
          that is, the option of revolutions or disclaimers can really be calculated ?!
          then you can’t give anything to anyone or anything, but suddenly they won’t return, by the way, someone could have predicted that the IMF would change the principles of bankruptcy lending for the sake of fun ?!
  14. Born in USSR
    Born in USSR 19 December 2015 10: 55 New
    +1
    Козлищщи обязаны отдать российские деньжищи! Или всем встать в позу "Зю" и приступить к самооблизыванию.
  15. gg.na
    gg.na 19 December 2015 10: 58 New
    +2
    I think that we just have to wait until the end of the whole process and it will be seen who, what, where, how and why. There will be a trial and everything will be clear after it. And now pour empty talk from empty to empty ... Yes, you need to, say together!
  16. aszzz888
    aszzz888 19 December 2015 11: 13 New
    0

    Arseniy Yatsenyuk, as you know, said recently that Ukraine is ready for a lawsuit. However, after Storchak’s speech, the Ukrainian Ministry of Finance in the person of Natalia Yaresko expressed hope for a “pre-trial settlement of the issue”.


    EggVnuh just tramp, those on the street beat in the face.
    The rest of the shobla is tough, temporary, and they are also beaten in the face. But the woman, do not beat. You can just give in the ass. laughing
  17. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 19 December 2015 11: 14 New
    0
    most likely there will be no interested persons from the private sector

    It is still strange that those who wish were still. Interestingly, those (Western countries) who lost money to please the Americans, as they will now justify themselves to their taxpayers. And the question for our Sberbank (Greft) - on what basis did Ukrainian enterprises continue to lend from state funds and deposits of citizens?
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 19 December 2015 12: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      And the question for our Sberbank (Greft) is on what basis continued lend to Ukrainian enterprises from public funds and deposits of citizens?


      And continue to this day ... See my comment above ...

      Спонсирует украинскую экономику вовсю, пользуясь пассивами, набранными из средств российских физических и юридических лиц, а также из "длинных" и недорогих (для Сбербанка) денег Банка России ... Тех "длинных и недорогих", которые Банк России дает российским коммерческим банкам для кредитования бизнеса в дорогом и коротком качестве...

      Damn, again the question arises about the role and status of the Bank of Russia in the Russian economy and domestic politics ...
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 19 December 2015 12: 52 New
        0
        I think that the issue of inaction in this area of ​​the FSB has long been ripe (although I am sure that there is plenty of information on Greft). Do not give the authorities to turn around against the enemies of Russia.
  18. afrikanez
    afrikanez 19 December 2015 11: 28 New
    0
    In any case, debts from Ukraine must be taken. As the saying goes: with a black sheep, even a tuft of wool! We have already swelled tens of billions into it, and as a result we have become an aggressor country.
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 19 December 2015 15: 12 New
      0
      Quote: afrikanez
      As the saying goes: with a black sheep, even a tuft of wool!

      "шерсти клок" было бы справедливо, согласись РФ на реструктуризацию долга. А сейчас речь уже не о "клоке" идет.
  19. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 19 December 2015 11: 36 New
    +1
    When our officials say that everything will be fine and nothing threatens us, it means that everything will be exactly the opposite and we must prepare for the worst. The higher the official, the higher the likelihood that he is lying and the consequences are worse.
  20. Masya masya
    Masya masya 19 December 2015 11: 37 New
    +4
    "Арсений Яценюк, как известно, заявил недавно, что Украина готова к судебному процессу. Однако после выступления Сторчака украинский Минфин в лице Наталии Яресько выразил надежду на «досудебное решение вопроса". Они сами не знают чего они хочут...
  21. veksha50
    veksha50 19 December 2015 11: 42 New
    +1
    "Мораторий Киева на выплату $ 3 billion debt незаконен и Россия пойдёт до конца в судебных разбирательствах"...

    Меня все время смущает сумма долга, указываемая в СМИ... Звучит и 3,0 млрд., и 3,6 млрд., и 3 млрд. 750 млн. тугриков... Или разница в 600 - 750 миллионов так "несущественна" ?

    Well, about getting a debt ... A strange situation is developing ... Laws (international) are on our side ... But the egghead has firmly rested - we will not give it back, and that’s it! The judicial tramp can stretch for years ... We will not officially go to war on Ukraine ???

    And here the question should also be raised not only about the return of the main debt, but also fines for late payment ...

    In general, it turns out a long-playing dummy ... As they say - what to take from the patient, except for analyzes ...

    PS And then the question: BUT IN WAR (ATO) there IS money ???
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 19 December 2015 12: 03 New
      0
      Quote: veksha50
      All the time I am confused by the amount of debt indicated in the media ... It sounds and 3,0 billion, and 3,6 billion, and 3 billion 750 million Tugriks ...

      and what bothers you? Well, the debt body is $ 3,58bn along with the debts of Ukravtodor and CB South. Now ok?
      Quote: veksha50
      But the egghead firmly rested - we won’t give it back, and that’s it!

      При чем здесь "и всё!"? Мораторий до того момента, пока РФ не согласится на реструктуризацию, как это сделали частные кредиторы. Либо до решения суда, которое тоже может подразумевать компромисс.
      Quote: veksha50
      And here the question should also be raised not only about the return of the main debt

      there’s another 5% coupon, by the way.
  22. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 19 December 2015 12: 09 New
    +1
    One question for those who know, but was the loan insured?
    Why am I asking?
    Because there were doubts at the top whether it was necessary to give a loan from the fund, to which it was stated that it was executed under English law and insured.
  23. uzer 13
    uzer 13 19 December 2015 12: 31 New
    +1
    Circus performance, part two: we will not pay, still nothing.
  24. Gunther
    Gunther 19 December 2015 12: 35 New
    0
    It's time to collect debt, PMC pick)))
    You can PMC "Academy", they have already warmed up in Ukraine.
  25. vobels
    vobels 19 December 2015 13: 03 New
    0
    The intrigue is wrapped up as in a detective novel. We are all waiting for what steps the unpredictable negative dick will take and we hope for a successful outcome.
  26. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 19 December 2015 13: 32 New
    0
    Kiev does not have a chance to win a lawsuit on a $ 3 billion loan! Kiev has no chance at all!
  27. Zomanus
    Zomanus 19 December 2015 14: 51 New
    0
    They already wrote here that the default occurs automatically.
    That is, by automatic means, money past Ukraine begins to go to us.
    But the most interesting thing is that what is happening with Ukraine.
  28. onix757
    onix757 19 December 2015 15: 11 New
    +1
    Да в мире вообще никто не заметит факта дефолта Украины, пока это не нужно будет вашингтонскому обкому. Ну а пока это ему не нужно, все будет как всегда, полный игнор интересов Москвы и "дружеская" помощь Вашингтона по поддержанию режима на Украине от МВФ и прочих союзников по интересам.А Кремль может в итоге остаться и без денег и без репутации. Вот еще и по юкосу выплачивать нужно, поскольку арест имущества все равно придется снимать.
  29. hannibal lecter
    hannibal lecter 19 December 2015 23: 27 New
    0
    Толку то. Одессу же не отдадут в качестве уплаты долга. Конечно надо юридически всё это "оформить" но глупо ждать выплат.
  30. NIKNN
    NIKNN 20 December 2015 00: 08 New
    +2
    Quote: S_last
    You sorted everything out, then explain why all this was not done in the following cases.

    1. Cuba - $ 31,7 billion
    According to experts, we would never have received this debt back anyway. And so they threw the "carrot" and strengthened their positions near the United States.
    2. Iraq - $ 21,5 billion
    The debt was written off twice - $ 9,5 billion (from $ 10,5) in 2004 and $ 12 billion (from $ 12,9) in 2008. The second time it was a new debt, on loans received after the forgiveness of the previous debt in 2004.
    3. African countries - more than $ 20 billion
    Decommissioned “in bulk” in the period after the 2008 year in the manner of “fraternal assistance”.
    4. Mongolia - $ 11,1 billion
    Decommissioned in 2003 year. Mongolia, however, immediately returned the remaining $ 300 million of debt.
    5. Afghanistan - $ 11 billion
    Debts for the supply of Soviet military equipment, written off after 2006 year.
    6. North Korea - $ 10 billion
    One of the latest "gifts", after 2012 year. Not all were written off, $ 1 billion of debt for the DPRK still remained.
    7. Syria - $ 9,8 billion
    Written off in 2005 year (of $ 13,4 billion of debt). In exchange, a number of agreements were signed in the field of construction, oil and gas.
    8. Vietnam - $ 9,53 billion
    In total, the Vietnamese debt at that time amounted to $ 11,03 billion, the balance should be paid by 2022. True, not directly, but through investments in joint projects with Russia in Vietnam.
    9. Ethiopia - about $ 6 billion
    In 2001, $ 4,8 billion of $ 6 billion of debt was written off, four years later - another $ 1,1 billion, that is, almost everything.
    10. Algeria - $ 4,7 billion
    The write-off occurred in 2006-2007. In exchange, the country undertook to purchase from us industrial products for this or a larger amount.
    In recent years - in 2012-2014 - in addition to North Korea and Cuba, Kyrgyzstan’s debt of $ 599 million has been written off (after which the country was about to join the Customs Union) and now $ 865 million to Uzbekistan.
    In total, since the 2000 of the year Russia has forgiven its partners more than $ 140 billion.


    Everything will be fine, Russia is a country rich in three billion more, three less, no one will notice.

    The decision of the country of the borrower, and what was guided by, well ...
    But Turkey is not forgiven. hi
    1. kapitan92
      kapitan92 20 December 2015 00: 54 New
      +4
      1. Cuba - $ 31,7 billion
      8. Vietnam - $ 9,53 billion
      Никогда не понимал, что значит простить-списать 41 млрд баксов. Были закрыты две наших базы на Кубе и Вьетнаме(Камрань). Тогдашний нач. Генштаба Квашнин аргументировал нехваткой средств.Я понимаю, что отдать "живыми" деньгами невозможно, но почему нельзя сделать взаимозачет. 4. Монголия - $11,1 млрд
      3. African countries - more than $ 20 billion
      Maybe the country was littered with lamb, or our children ate fruit. So why write off when you can get natural products?
      Or did someone make great money on kickbacks?
  31. archimer
    archimer 20 December 2015 21: 55 New
    0
    What would the best aces of the USSR answer!