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Difficult economic situation as a check on society lice

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And what is it, our modern Russian society? What does it strive for? What difficulties it is exposed to, and how are our societies able to withstand these same difficulties?


"Society consists of people who have common interests." Known to every student. But few students will answer the question: what is the goal of the society in which he lives. Why are there a schoolboy, not every adult will fail ... In the Soviet Union, everyone knew the goal of society. The brilliant goal is to bring justice to the world, freeing a person from money and isolating him from the primitive desire to consume any artificial benefits that contribute to the development of low instincts. And this would be the next round of human development. The social system, from the point of view of science, was well built: the sectors of society (scientific, educational, industrial, military, sports, etc.) closely interacted with each other, which allowed for some 40-30 years to send a man into outer space . The whole western world was shocked and horrified ... The best education in the world, capable of making a rural ruffian a brilliant scientist.

Difficult economic situation as a check on society lice


How is morality destroyed? Yes, just distracted from thoughts about the development of mankind thoughts about sex. The calculation was for young people from 16 to 25 years. Succeeded? Oh yes ... Short skirts, loose hair, bright colors of clothes irritated the brain, awakening animal instincts and impious thoughts. And in children of this very youth, such a "culture" has become the norm. I will say more: porn is now broken up into classes and subgroups, based on the personal preferences of the beholder ... "Development", you know!

How spoiled education. The way to answer any question is difficult, the educational process was difficult. Many still remember how it is, overlaid with books, run through chapters and paragraphs, looking for what is necessary. As long as you find what you need, you learn so much of everything. And the information that you receive, while you are looking for a specific one, is presented several times from other books, but from a different angle and from another point of view, which contributes to a deeper analysis of the information received. The point was not that you answer the question correctly, but that you learn to immerse yourself in material and science by stimulating critical thinking. Soviet man had more fundamental knowledge. But after the 90-s, "crib books" with a brief summary, saving the student's time, went to print. Ready solutions of tickets - for the exact sciences, a summary and descriptions of images - for the humanitarian. It is not difficult to guess where the students spent their saved time ... How did such "little books" go to press? Perhaps, because of this, they introduced the USE, which, to overcome, requires at least a little bit, but a systematic approach. The first swallows of "effective management" flew. I am personally afraid to imagine what is happening in the minds of today's youth. All social networks and sites on which they crawl constantly, just crammed with ready-made templates and uppercase "truths." And these motivators and demotivators, how do these “icons” affect the brain? Develop? What are they aiming for? To a beautiful life and to the consumption of material goods. Well, after all, we, adults, are mostly consumers.

Now ask yourself the questions: do I need a more expensive car, an apartment more spacious, tasty and varied food products, better home appliances, a TV in half a wall? Do you want to travel around the country and relax in the resorts? And to go with his wife restaurants? Going to the cinema, crunching popcorn, and lazily wandering around the malls, slowly choosing what your heart desires? If "yes", then congratulations - you are a true consumer, seeking to the comfort zone. What a person is capable of doing to achieve such benefits is a separate issue that I don’t want to consider. I am worried that this direction has no clear boundaries and frames. There will always be somewhere more expensive car, and the house is more spacious.

“Give a person what he needs, and he will want comforts. Provide him with comforts — he will strive for luxury. Cover him with luxury — he will begin to sigh for exquisite. Let him get exquisite — and he will thirst for madness. Give him everything he wants and he will complain that he was deceived and that he didn’t get what he wanted, ”wrote Hemingway.

But, you see, what's the matter ... In most cases, in a comfort zone, a person becomes fat externally and internally, and begins to resemble an animal (you yourself know which one). It is on such people that our Western "partners" rely. Such people in the victories of Russia are chanting, fairly filled with beer, "Russia, Russia", "Putin", "Russians do not surrender!" But if these people are partially deprived of the opportunity to consume, or (God forbid) their comfort zone is shaken ... They will be able to radically change their political views. It’s good if they are just in social networks and on forums going to throw mud at the "rotten top", instilling in the minds of fellow citizens doubt about the effectiveness of the existing system ... But they can create a "mass crowd", like in Kiev. revolution. And again, the change of power, political course, reform, reform ... And then, in the years of 10-20, some "nerd" will be perplexed: "Why do we live worse than in the West?" Yes, because in order for something to work, this “something” needs to be brought to mind, and with joint efforts.

I live in a great country where a great people live, able to overcome any virus from the outside and emerge victorious from any war.
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  1. Scoun
    Scoun 22 December 2015 11: 03 New
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    By the nature of my activity))) I often encounter different people ... I know one thing for sure ... It's time to bring the government and officials to life and no matter how I feel about Potapenko .. there is a lot of truth in his words and his question about the triple transport tax relevant as well as other issues.


    The question remains)) Manturov promised to introduce export duties on metal, but in the end it all ended in an agreement with big business and all the small ones were left overboard, worn out.
    1. milann
      milann 22 December 2015 11: 15 New
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      Quote: Scoun
      Difficult economic situation as a check on society lice

      Why should society offend with such a headline? Or is a person not entitled to express his opinion? Nonsense!
      1. DenZ
        DenZ 22 December 2015 11: 59 New
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        And what is or has there ever been a “pure” society without “lice”? The question is how many of them, these same "lice" and how much they can hate the place where they live.
        1. severniy
          severniy 22 December 2015 12: 06 New
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          The author clearly distorts.
          Patriotism is good, and for example I have it. But. There is a certain scale of strength, as a rule, tied not even to material wealth, but to something higher. As an example I’ll say that I can endure a lot, but you won’t feed the children with air, and moreover I won’t even try to do it! Especially when they see the premiere with an iPhone on TV ...
          1. creak
            creak 22 December 2015 12: 42 New
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            Quote: severniy
            As an example I’ll say that I can endure a lot, but you won’t feed the children with air, and moreover I won’t even try to do it! Especially when they see the premiere with an iPhone on TV ...


            I support and I have a question in this connection - did the author write his article in a house with stove heating and a toilet like a toilet in the yard? I believe that all the same, in a fairly well-maintained, comfortable apartment with all the benefits of civilization ...
            So the presence of this comfort - if we proceed from the logic of the author - does it not threaten the author himself, who is trying to arrange, as much as SOCIETY, a check for lice, with obesity and moral degeneration ...?
          2. Lelek
            Lelek 22 December 2015 12: 44 New
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            Quote: severniy
            There is a certain scale of strength, as a rule, tied not even to material wealth, but to something higher.


            The scale is very simple: - do not steal, do not betray, do not lie, love the country where you live, and protect it without sparing your stomach.
            1. kotvov
              kotvov 22 December 2015 13: 00 New
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              The scale is very simple: - do not steal, do not betray, do not lie, love the country where you live, and protect it without sparing your stomach. ,,
              yeah, and here we see the stolen billions are released. People who failed and everything are credited to the presidential administration. But at the same time they demand, not a thief, love, etc. ,, you start to think, are we all equal or is there someone more equal.
              1. nils
                nils 22 December 2015 16: 00 New
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                Quote: kotvov
                The scale is very simple.


                Metropolitan John (Snychev): "AUTHORITY IN RUSSIA has always been recognized not as an object of vain desires, a reward to the most arrogant, cunning and unprincipled fighters of the political ring, not as a bottomless feeding trough for officials and bureaucrats, but as a religious service to the commandments of justice and goodness, like" God's a tax. ”“ Do not have pride in your heart and mind, ”wrote Grand Duke Vladimir Monomakh in 1117, teaching the princes how to relate to power,“ all mortals are alive today, and tomorrow in the grave, everything we have, You, Lord, have given. Not ours, but Thy entrusted us with it for a few days. "The idea that the prince (the king, any" having authority ") is only the steward of the authority given by God, and the defendant to Him for the country and people handed over to him was the basis of self-opinion any legal authority in Russia.

                Such a comprehension of it is impossible within the framework of an atheistic, rational, materialistic worldview. People who are not capable of focusing on the material, material interests of everyday life and the lower needs of human nature, rejecting Christian spirituality, are not capable of it.

                "PATRIOTS", swearing love for mother Russia and at the same time rejecting Orthodoxy, love some other country that they invented for themselves. "

                F.M.Dostoevsky: "A Russian man without God is rubbish, not a man."
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                2. blog
                  blog 22 December 2015 16: 26 New
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                  Quote: nils
                  "PATRIOTS", swearing love for mother Russia and at the same time rejecting Orthodoxy, love some other country that they invented for themselves. "

                  Quote: nils
                  F.M.Dostoevsky: "A Russian man without God is rubbish, not a man."

                  Who knows when and when he wrote some nonsense?
                  In Russia, freedom of conscience. A large number of people profess Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, etc. A huge number of people still profess Marxism-Leninism. Many people profess nothing at all.
                  Therefore, one must be more tolerant. The most important thing is to respect people and their choice. Those. man is primary, and his religious choice is secondary.
                  1. nils
                    nils 22 December 2015 19: 14 New
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                    Quote: blogg
                    Who knows when and when he wrote some nonsense?
                    In Russia, freedom of conscience. Many people profess nothing at all.
                    Therefore, one must be more tolerant.


                    Yes, you are my friend liberal!
                    Is Dostoevsky writing nonsense?
                    You are like-minded with Chubais.
                    Chubais: “I re-read Dostoevsky. And I have almost physical hatred for this man. He is certainly a genius, but ... the false choice he offers makes me want to tear him to pieces.”

                    Here are just like you and they are ruining Russia!
                    1. blog
                      blog 22 December 2015 19: 21 New
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                      Quote: nils
                      Is Dostoevsky writing nonsense?

                      It is still important to be able to read. And more importantly, understand what you read. You do it badly. Let me explain: God, he is different for everyone.
                      Quote: nils
                      Here are just like you and they are ruining Russia!

                      Of course. There he is, an undertaker. Atu him.
                      Religious intolerance in a multiconfessional secular country is not permissible. Because can't lead to anything good.
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          3. Alexei
            22 December 2015 12: 54 New
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            Quote: severniy
            As an example I’ll say that I can endure a lot, but you won’t feed the children with air, and moreover I won’t even try to do it! Especially when they see the premiere with an iPhone on TV ...

            It’s not written about people like you, it’s written about those who will not tolerate if the opportunity to buy a car is more expensive, and the apartment is more spacious. You yourself do not distort, please.
            1. atalef
              atalef 22 December 2015 13: 09 New
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              Quote: Alexej
              it is written about those who will not tolerate if the opportunity to buy a car is more expensive, and the apartment is more spacious. You yourself do not distort, please.

              And why in general should I endure?
              My grandmother tolerated, maybe her grandfather told her that she would live under communism.
              I’m ready to endure if I’m sure that all my difficulties were not created by people speaking
              A spokesman for Vladimir Putin, talking to reporters, refused to tell the details of his wedding with figure skater Tatyana Navka and, in particular, the story of an expensive watch that stirred up the whole Internet last weekend.






              - I was not a newsmaker this weekend, I honestly celebrated a wedding. Of course, I would not want to make this wedding such news, and I would like to conduct everything in the absence of some kind of information chimes, although everything went very well, ”said Peskov.

              “As for the story with the clock, I couldn't help but put on my wife’s present for the wedding.” However, I will not say any details. This is our own business, it does not bother anyone.
              1. Alexei
                22 December 2015 13: 38 New
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                Quote: atalef
                And why in general should I endure?

                What do you owe at all?
                Quote: atalef
                A spokesman for Vladimir Putin, talking to reporters, refused to tell the details of his wedding with figure skater Tatyana Navka and, in particular, the story of an expensive watch that stirred up the whole Internet last weekend.

                Money appeared in Russia. Cash flows are poorly streamlined, the cash recharge system is lame because it is made by people who do not want to endure the lack of luxury. Now we are at the final stage of capitalism and will soon begin to switch to socialism (like other developed countries), only smoothly with the mind is necessary, and not through the Maidan.
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                  1. Alexei
                    22 December 2015 14: 07 New
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                    Quote: atalef
                    Do you personally have money? And the neighbor?

                    Yes, they appeared in comparison with 90 mi, after people were tired of enduring the existing system (well, just like now).
                    Quote: atalef
                    make it clear that in your understanding luxury is time
                    Here
                    Quote: atalef
                    - As for the story with the clock -

                    Quote: atalef
                    And squeeze alone people honestly earning it for themselves - otherwise it looks like elementary envy

                    I have a bunch of attributes and skills, for this I do not evaluate the laurels themselves, but (almost always) not an easy and costly way to them, I have respect or lack thereof.
                    Quote: atalef
                    You probably laughed. in Russia, capitalism at the initial stage is a predatory accumulation of capital and oligarchy.

                    Not at all, now after the creation of the Internet and information leaks, the stages proceed more quickly.
                2. atalef
                  atalef 22 December 2015 13: 46 New
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                  Quote: Alexej
                  What do you owe at all?

                  At my age, working honestly and paying taxes

                  Quote: Alexej
                  Money appeared in Russia

                  What does it mean in Russia. it's how to say - everyone steals.
                  You personally steal - I think not
                  Do you personally have money? And the neighbor?
                  More specifics
                  Quote: Alexej
                  Cash flows are poorly ordered, the cash replenishment system is lame because it is made by people who do not want to endure the lack of luxury

                  Leave the luxury alone, run with the word like a fetish.
                  make it clear that in your understanding luxury is time
                  And squeeze alone people honestly earning it for themselves - otherwise it looks like elementary envy
                  Quote: Alexej
                  Now we are at the final stage of capitalism and will soon begin to switch to socialism (like other developed countries), only smoothly with the mind is necessary, and not through the Maidan

                  You probably laughed. in Russia, capitalism at the initial stage is a predatory accumulation of capital and oligarchy.
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            3. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 22 December 2015 13: 39 New
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              Quote: Alexej
              It’s not written about people like you, it’s written about those who will not tolerate if the opportunity to buy a car is more expensive, and the apartment is more spacious.

              Dear Author! put the article plus.
              But I want to note to you that living in a capitalist society, we sometimes want socialist nishtyaks and socialist relations.
              Understand that in modern Russia there is not even a hint of socialism and, accordingly, all our relationships, including human and industrial, etc., etc., and the society itself is social. such as remained in our Glorious Socialist past.
              Hence a simple conclusion, either Socialism or capitalism with all the consequences, so to speak. hi
              1. afdjhbn67
                afdjhbn67 22 December 2015 13: 49 New
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                Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                Hence a simple conclusion, either Socialism or capitalism with all the consequences, so to speak.

                And how to be - a little pregnant ?? mona or noona? laughing
                1. PHANTOM-AS
                  PHANTOM-AS 22 December 2015 13: 59 New
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                  Quote: afdjhbn67
                  And how to be - a little pregnant ?? mona or noona?

                  Use "contraceptives" laughing
                  filtu infa, that is yes
              2. blog
                blog 22 December 2015 14: 19 New
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                Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                But I want to note to you that living in a capitalist society,

                Do you live in a capitalist country? And where, if not a secret?
                Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                we sometimes want socialist nishtyakov and socialist relations.

                Join any pseudo-religious sect if you are so bored. Get all the "socialist relationships" in full.
                Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                in modern Russia there is not even a hint of socialism

                Yes, today's society in the Russian Federation according to the prevailing ideology cannot be called pseudo-religious. But it is still feudal. Thus, it is not far from socialist (i.e., pseudo-religious feudal). Just the feudal system of management has acquired a more traditional form. This is not a revolution, it is a transformation of the same system. The transformation is positive, because the so-called "socialism" has gone bankrupt. He ate himself. And he had to do something. Therefore, the system returned to the time-tested more traditional look.
                Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                and the society itself is social. such as remained in our Glorious Socialist past.

                Your "glorious socialist past" has killed so many people in the country that not a single plague, not a single pestilence, not a single global flood could have done so well. One must have a conscience before glorifying the times when people died like flies.
                Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                Hence a simple conclusion, or Socialism,

                What nonsense. The history of mankind knows these many different "socialisms" in great numbers. At different times and among different nations. In different forms. On different continents. Under different names. Variety, in other words. They have only one thing in common, this is the result - famine, war, cold and the mass extermination of fellow citizens. Do you think any sober-minded people want this? You are mistaken.
                As for capitalism, this is a step in the evolution of human society. It is not homogeneous, it is a society. Someone has already stepped on this step. Someone is just about to. And someone else is categorically early. He still needs to stand in the stall. Another "delicious free baland" from the bowl to choke. Soak up the bunks. Before the brains begin to grow in the head. And pull in capitalism. But it will certainly pull. Sooner or later. Evolution, nothing can be done here.
                1. PHANTOM-AS
                  PHANTOM-AS 22 December 2015 19: 29 New
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                  Quote: blogg
                  Your "glorious socialist past" has killed so many people in the country that not a single plague, not a single pestilence, not a single global flood could have done so well

                  But you are alive, you can read, write and use the Soviet infrastructure (you don’t have another one).
                  In general, before denigrating the Soviet regime according to Goebbels training manuals, it is necessary to at least read how many real people were arrested and how many of them were actually shot. negative
                  1. blog
                    blog 22 December 2015 19: 52 New
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                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    But you are alive

                    Those. I should not give a damn about other compatriots? Perhaps this is normal for you. But for me, no. I feel like a piece of the nation, not a herd of sheep. Which do not care where their relatives go.
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    can read, write

                    A so-called socialism and where? Did he invent the alphabet? And the cyrillic?
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    use the Soviet infrastructure (there’s no other).

                    That's the trouble, there is no other. A so-called socialism has built little. Mostly invented achievements in all areas.
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    one should at least read how many real people were arrested and how many of them were actually shot.

                    It is necessary to calculate how much the population was in January 1918. (date of the Bolshevik counter-revolutionary coup). Then take into account the normal average population growth rate. Then subtract how much was in December 1991. And go nuts, and for a long time.
                    And your freaks like "how many were shot" are not serious. Genocide of the population can be multifaceted. And the execution, this is only a small part of this process.
            4. severniy
              severniy 22 December 2015 14: 01 New
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              Quote: Alexej
              Quote: severniy
              As an example I’ll say that I can endure a lot, but you won’t feed the children with air, and moreover I won’t even try to do it! Especially when they see the premiere with an iPhone on TV ...

              It’s not written about people like you, it’s written about those who will not tolerate if the opportunity to buy a car is more expensive, and the apartment is more spacious. You yourself do not distort, please.

              “Give a man what he needs - and he will want comfort. Provide him with comfort - he will strive for luxury. Show him luxury - he will begin to sigh in exquisite.

              I bet that in one of these niches I have ...
          4. starshina78
            starshina78 22 December 2015 13: 57 New
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            A man is such a cattle that no matter how much he doesn’t give him, there will always be little. Yes, there were people who were content with a glass of water and a crust of bread, while they prayed for everyone and asked everyone for absolution. These include Russian associates - Seraphim of Sarov, John of Kronstadt, and a small number of saints. But for the most part, alas, a person always wants benefits, and the better, the more. Take any period in the history of the Russian state, and this has always happened. That in the days of Ancient Russia, when the princes were sold, then to the Tatars, then to the dog-knights, just to preserve their well-being and the well-being of their principality; that during the reformation under Peter the Great, that under the communists, now. After all, no one will refuse to earn big money in another job if they pay less for yours, and the bosses are standing next to you and persuading them, recalling their long experience and attitude towards you. You can also say about the car - I bought a Lada, I want a Renault, I bought a Renault, I want a BMW, etc. . In today's situation, when a person sees injustice in the state (huge salaries of deputies, benefits to them for everything that is possible and impossible, the same Medvedev with the last “iPhone”, and he can’t buy a chocolate once again for a child), he would do everything just raise your material level. No patriotism will stop him. , Yes, and patriotism on an empty stomach is unlikely. AND . already, passing by chance past the "Ruble", then he himself (patriotism) and generally ends. When one can all and all, and the rest are leftovers from the master's table. If the employees of the enterprises knew how much the managers managing them receive, they would be very offended (with an average level of salaries at my plant - 22 thousand rubles, the general director and his managers - from 800000 to 2 million per month). And what justice and patriotism can be? Yes, we will protect from the external enemy, but who will protect us from the internal is the question.
            1. S-kerrigan
              S-kerrigan 23 December 2015 07: 56 New
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              Well, there are exceptions to the rules: they offer me various contracts with salaries from 70 to 100tr. However, in my current job I get a little less than 60 and I'm not going to leave. When the authorities found out that other offices were offering me offers, they got alarmed (I’m leading a narrow segment and there is no replacement). However, for a couple of years now I have been sitting calmly and sticking to our team. Because we are the team - in solidarity, working together, we are increasing the total turnover and each of them as a result grows in the same RFP. And another company ... it’s still not clear what kind of people it is — why take the risk if at the moment I have reached my comfort zone?

              Perhaps I will add:
              I need a modern phone, but it will be a handset for $ 200 - I do not need an iPhone.
              I need a normal car with cruise control and a more or less balanced engine, with sane suspension and sound insulation. Lada little, Bentley a lot, but the Hyundai Sonata just right.
              One-room apartment will not be enough for me, two-room apartments, too, cottage - bust. A 100sq.m. and 4 rooms just right - allows two children to have a room.

              Part of this is not, part is already there. Money is invested as much as possible in your potential - courses, you need iron for development and research. There are no strip clubs / bars (but I want to). But I understand with my head that progress is more important than momentary pleasures. Therefore, not everything is lost - I am not the only one.
        2. Hon
          Hon 22 December 2015 12: 40 New
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          Quote: DenZ
          And what is or has there ever been a “pure” society without “lice”? The question is how many of them, these same "lice" and how much they can hate the place where they live.

          not against the background of a decline in living standards, due to the economic situation, deputies are doubled, the head of Russian Railways is frightened by resignation if he is obliged to publish information about incomes, and he is allowed not to publish, TOPmanagement of state corporations, even in thoughts, does not allow cuts in his bonuses. And our lousy society ...
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      3. 79807420129
        79807420129 22 December 2015 12: 36 New
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        Quote: milann
        Quote: Scoun
        Difficult economic situation as a check on society lice

        Why should society offend with such a headline? Or is a person not entitled to express his opinion? Nonsense!

        And the headline is absolutely correct and everyone has the right to express their opinion, they don’t shut their mouths here, they just need to use foul language and write obvious blasphemy, although I recently registered, but I read the VO site regularly since 2013, I agree with the author in many ways, fooling young people it wasn’t just sex, and in 1983-84 I remember that 18-year-old girls had a fashion for walking in translucent skirts and nothing, and when the girls came from the army in 1987, they were almost naked, but the education didn’t collapse, the state called USSR in 1991.
      4. guzik007
        guzik007 22 December 2015 12: 43 New
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        Difficult economic situation as a check on society lice

        Oh how! Let’s come to an agreement and emphasize. Who put forward the slogan-get rich? Who smashed the socialist state to pieces, putting Russia on the main path of development? who hammered youth the idea of ​​a successful career, the primacy of the personal over the public, and much, much more "WHO?"
        I was always amused how these little people, imagining themselves mayors, governors, great managers, when there is no money in the city budget, start driving people to “subbotniks” “Sundays”, thereby essentially not differing from the communists. And when people are dissatisfied with the current state of things, hypocritical people suddenly recall patriotism, "checking for lice" and other hypocrisy, tearing their shirts from Versace with one hand, while the other, groping for a ticket to the Seychelles for a week of rest from the work of the righteous in personal apartments acquired by overwork.
        Patriotism does not lie in the universal "approval of the power of those in power" Patriot, primarily a person who thinks and thinks.
        R.S. like Putin said about the Turks: a good people, hardworking and friendly, only with the managers he was not lucky
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 22 December 2015 12: 47 New
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          Quote: guzik007
          Difficult economic situation as a check on society lice


          Many people do not even stand this test. Here the other day:
          (cry.)
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        3. creak
          creak 22 December 2015 17: 40 New
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          Quote: guzik007
          And when people are dissatisfied with the current state of things, hypocritical people suddenly recall patriotism, "checking for lice," and so on.


          "They began to push for patriotism ... Looks like stealing .." Saltykov-Shchedrin.
          Oh, how classic was right, looked far good
      5. ism_ek
        ism_ek 22 December 2015 13: 03 New
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        Half of the needs of the Red Army during the Second World War was provided by consumption taxes. By consuming, you pay taxes, provide jobs for a bunch of people, who in turn also pay taxes. Those who consume your product provide you with work.
        A rich domestic consumer is the key to the country's economic independence. Tanks and missiles do not appear from the air, money is needed to create them.
      6. iConst
        iConst 22 December 2015 13: 17 New
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        Quote: milann
        Why should society offend with such a headline? Or is a person not entitled to express his opinion? Nonsense!
        - I agree, the title is not entirely successful.
        But, a person who wants to change something and not for himself personally, but thinks more or less globally, seeing how his efforts or desires are broken up against the opposition or inaction of the "elite" and not resigned to it begins to rebel. And the simplest and most obvious is to be in everything against this same "elite".

        And we know that the formula works - the enemy of my enemy - my friend.
        And then there are all kinds of NGOs - “democratizers". And do not blame people who, having spent energy, went this way.
        It’s better to ask yourself - what have I done for this?
      7. Nikolay K
        Nikolay K 23 December 2015 05: 17 New
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        It seems to me that in a normal state, a crisis is a time of checking for lice of state leaders, and only in our country they try to check a crisis with a society. Do not worry, our people have experienced a lot, the domestic wars have passed, so this crisis is over. But for my government I am just ashamed. Recently I listened to Medvedev, as it turns out the country has almost passed the crisis thanks to the anti-crisis program of the government. And I thought, when we voted for Yeltsin, we did not understand that we would be ashamed later that the country was led by this person. And you don’t even have to wait for anything with our chairman of the government, the incompetence and helplessness of the current government is so obvious. And if, at a high oil price, we could make fun of dancing amateur iPhones, as Chernomyrdin’s verbal mistakes at one time used to amuse us, now it’s just no laughing matter. It's a shame for the state.
    2. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 22 December 2015 11: 27 New
      +7
      Quote: Scoun
      and no matter how I feel about Potapenko .. there is a lot of truth in his words and his question about the triple transport tax is relevant as well as other issues.

      Citizen Potapenko is a clear provocateur. All of his lamentations about the "unbearable logistic component" and "prohibitive rent" laid down in the price of goods sold in retail chains are, to put it mildly, untrue.
      I will give an example. In our regional retail chain Five Five, we sell a certain Confectionery Sausage produced by Mirel company from Chelyabinsk (for a minute, more than one and a half thousand kilometers from our region). So, the prices for this product slowly increased until they reached 100 rubles. Yesterday I went to the store - the yellow price tag "Fly in, fell in price" and this "sausage" (ta-dam!) Is already standing - 55 rubles! Not a delay, I note. Attention, a question! How much is the retailer’s trade margin if he has the opportunity to lower the price of the goods in two times?
      After such observations, such lamentations of these "businessmen" are perplexing.
      1. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 22 December 2015 11: 44 New
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        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Attention, a question! How much is the retailer’s trade margin if he has the opportunity to lower the price of the goods in two times?


        The problem with retail, it’s better than any fifth and tenth column! I’m even afraid to imagine how much the product actually costs in the networks, if any Pyaterochka or Auchan can make discounts on unexpired goods of 100 or even 150 percent! I will say more, prices in the same network, I take the same Pyaterochka as an example, can vary greatly from the outlet, or rather its location! Recently I bought a brandy for my brother, in one Pyaterochka it cost 900 rubles, in another, exactly the same 750!
        1. Shark Lover
          Shark Lover 22 December 2015 13: 10 New
          0
          Example. Farm milk. In the Quarter, it costs 70 rubles per liter. In Sambury 44.90))))))))))) Packaging, displacement, all the same. There are a lot of such examples. It is indicative of milk, the product is massive. Then vice versa, 35.90 on one network and 68 on another. We didn’t agree, already the buyers have no brains)))
      2. Scoun
        Scoun 22 December 2015 11: 46 New
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        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Attention, a question! How much is the retailer’s trade margin if he has the opportunity to cut the price of the product by half?

        laughing Have you seen such promotions in at least one small store?
        Have you tried to get to networkers on the counter and know how much money you need to bring there?
        Good afternoon, the company sells bakery products to chain stores. Together with the contract of sale there is a reverse sale agreement (without them, the grid does not work). In the reverse sale agreement, the percent is indicated on the sales volume, which the grid has the right to return (monthly)

        Networkers often orderly force suppliers to do "shares" and the supplier goes to it so as not to lose the network.
        Recently there was information about tangerines from Syria to Russia .... the purchase was 10 rubles per kg. ))) at least someone saw them on the shelves at least 70 rubles? laughing
        Networkers is a separate mafia))) the price of milk is a large wholesale from 15 rubles a liter, in a store of 5 "house in the Village" bottle volume (do not forget) 0.9 liters about 60 rubles.
        The question is not only in “logistics” is the question of the system as a whole and logic)) Why enterprises / people who buy gasoline immediately pay an excise tax of about 7 rubles, then they pay a transport tax and then they cut in a “Plato” - it’s akin to if for one violation traffic rules will be fined three times)))
      3. atalef
        atalef 22 December 2015 11: 58 New
        +4
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Attention, a question! How much is the retailer’s trade margin if he can reduce the price of the product by half? After such observations, such lamentations of these “businessmen” are perplexing.

        Indeed, it is much more difficult than to understand a drop in oil prices by 4 times.

        Quote: Ami du peuple
        After such observations, such lamentations of these "businessmen" are perplexing.

        Here I am about that.
      4. Scoun
        Scoun 22 December 2015 12: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        In our regional retail chain Five Five, we sell a certain Confectionery Sausage produced by Mirel company from Chelyabinsk (for a minute, more than one and a half thousand kilometers from our region). So, prices for this product slowly increased until they reached 100 rubles

        Regarding the sausage and in general the semi-finished products that you buy in the store, carefully read the composition and a good sausage will not cost (let's take the Crossroads) below 800 rubles kg. At leisure, “walk” on the topic - mechanical boning meat and learn a lot of interesting things about it and for example that it is not stored for a long time even in the freezer and what is added to it for these purposes .... what is being added?))
        Meat of mechanical deboning A pasty and pasty-like poultry product, which is produced by passing bones with attached edible tissues through a sieve or similar device under pressure ...

        PS
        Very rarely take sausage, and if I take it only the highest grade.
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 22 December 2015 13: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: Scoun
          Regarding sausage and in general semi-finished products that you buy in the store, carefully read

          Deviation from the topic!
          And if anyone is interested, then you need to watch all the performances at the MLF on December 8, 2015.


      5. ism_ek
        ism_ek 22 December 2015 12: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        So, the prices for this product slowly increased until they reached 100 rubles. Yesterday I went to the store - the yellow price tag "Fly in, fell in price" and this "sausage" (ta-dam!) Is already standing - 55 rubles!

        Price is determined by sales. With such promotions, sales of this product increase by 20 ... 30 times. Pricing is completely different. Is it possible to constantly maintain the price at this level? It is impossible. Sausages are not a basic product. You buy them a couple of times, and you will quickly get tired. Moreover, Mirel is a bare margarine and palm oil.
      6. blog
        blog 22 December 2015 14: 37 New
        0
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Attention, a question! How much is the retailer’s trade margin if he has the opportunity to cut the price of the product by half?

        A few percent. In serious networks, the figure is usually unambiguous. Such actions are carried out not by retailers, but by manufacturers. The reasons may be different.
    3. atalef
      atalef 22 December 2015 11: 41 New
      +2
      Now ask yourself questions: do I need a more expensive car, an apartment is more spacious, food is tasty and varied, better household appliances, a TV in half wall? Do you want to travel around the country and relax in the resorts? And to visit restaurants with his wife? Going to the cinema, crunching popcorn, and lazily wandering around the malls, slowly choosing what your soul wants? If yes, then congratulations - you are a true consumer, striving for comfort

      I do not understand, but what's wrong with that? To be a consumer of material goods earned through honest work.
      And you would prefer to work hard, tedious, for free and have nothing - if so - then you (I’m the author, I’m not personally speaking) - you are a true d.b.i.l. and goof
      What a person can do to achieve such benefits is a separate issue that I don’t want to consider

      Of course, the author does not want to consider shopping mall, the normal answer (mine) would be
      For this, I agree to work hard and hard, to study and move up the career ladder - does anyone disagree with this?
      I am concerned that this direction does not have clear boundaries and frameworks. There will always be somewhere a more expensive car, and a more luxurious house

      Of course, man himself defines the framework for himself.
      There is only one problem, one says, I want more for myself, my family and children - and I am ready to work for this, the second - give me. and if not, then you are spiritless and consumers
      "Give a man what he needs - and he will want comfort. Provide him with comfort - he will strive for luxury. Show him luxury - he will begin to sigh for the exquisite. Let him receive the exquisite - and he will crave frenzy. Give him whatever he desires - and he will complain that he was deceived and that he received not at all what he wanted, "Hemingway wrote.

      Well, of course, it’s nice to talk about morality and the meaning of life, when he himself has everything and by the way Homenguay achieved this himself.
      1. Alexei
        22 December 2015 12: 10 New
        +5
        Quote: atalef
        I do not understand, but what's wrong with that?

        The bad thing is what you will become if you are half a life engaged in the consumption of goods, of which there are so many that they take a lot of time. Why do you think that in Russia in our country now almost everything (censorship) has not picked up a literary word? But does the state apparatus work badly? Yes, because people are scotched.
        Quote: atalef
        And you would prefer to work hard, tedious, for free and have nothing - if so - then you (I’m the author, I’m not personally speaking) - you are a true d.b.i.l. and goof
        And I would prefer to work interestingly, so that I would be interested to work. And most people are forced to work for the money for which they buy goods, in the form of trinkets that take time. No matter how you call anyone, you yourself will not get better from it.
        Quote: atalef
        Of course, the author does not want to consider shopping mall, the normal answer (mine) would be
        For this, I agree to work hard and hard, to study and move up the career ladder - does anyone disagree with this?

        But quite a few people will go for a crime for this, a faster and shorter way.
        Quote: atalef
        Of course, man himself defines the framework for himself.

        A person has virtually no boundaries and boundaries.
        1. atalef
          atalef 22 December 2015 12: 23 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexej
          The bad thing is that what you will become if you are half a life engaged in the consumption of goods, of which there are so many that they take a lot of time.

          And who earned these benefits?
          I have the right to live well and consume these benefits.
          His work, education and desire to achieve.
          Consumed and will consume. and I want a better car, an apartment, a better school for my daughter, and a university for my son. and I want to go abroad 2-3 times a year, but 10. I want and I have the right to want. because I work and earn money on it.
          But not for that. that I would deny myself everything, that unknown kings would advance their political decisions and at my expense live better than me
          Quote: Alexej
          Why do you think we have almost everything movies in Russia (censorship)? And does the state apparatus work badly? Yes, because people scotch

          Because you give them this opportunity, so that God forbid not to loosen the vertical
          Quote: Alexej
          And I would prefer to work interestingly, so I was interested to work

          Who does not give you. Work. The work can be both interesting and monetary, and if not, then then crying from bread to water do not cry. that I’m all such a beggar - but white and fluffy, and the people who earned are vile consumers
          Quote: Alexej
          for which they buy goods, in the form of trinkets that take time

          The computer on which you write your opuses is the same in the eyes of some
          I want to see a lot in life and travel around the world, live in a beautiful house, eat delicious. healthy food, drive a beautiful car and I want my children to live better than me and I will provide the same to them - you want to call me a consumer - I don't give a damn, and who then are you - a beggar, proud and spiritual?
          Quote: Alexej
          No matter how you call anyone, you yourself will not get better from it.

          And I'm already the best. maybe he made himself from scratch. Moreover, the absolute.
          I have something to be proud of.
          Quote: Alexej
          But very many people will go for a crime for this, a faster and shorter way

          And? Somehow, among the wealthy intelligentsia (I mean qualified personnel, engineers and technicians, etc.) there is less crime than among the mendicant lumpen with a spiritual lining.

          Quote: Alexej
          A person has virtually no boundaries and boundaries.

          You may not, I have.
          1. Alexei
            22 December 2015 12: 48 New
            0
            Quote: atalef

            Quote: Alexej
            A person has virtually no boundaries and boundaries.
            You may not, I have.

            Yes?
            Quote: atalef
            I have the right to live well and consume these benefits.
            His work, education and desire to achieve.
            Consumed and will consume. and I want a better car, an apartment, a better school for my daughter, and a university for my son. and I want to go abroad 2-3 times a year, but 10. I want and I have the right to want. because I work and earn money on it.

            winked Here it is! I am sure our bureaucrats think the same way.
            1. atalef
              atalef 22 December 2015 12: 58 New
              +4
              Quote: Alexej
              Here it is! I'm sure our bureaucrats think exactly the same

              Do you know the difference?
              The bureaucrat you chose, but no one chose me. I myself have achieved everything.
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              1. Alexei
                22 December 2015 13: 09 New
                0
                Quote: atalef
                The bureaucrat you chose, but no one chose me. I myself have achieved everything.

                Yes, you mustache tongue We have chosen only Putin, and we need to work with the "authorities" on the ground. Do you see that they have the same consumerism as yours, which impedes the service of the people. It is necessary to develop mechanisms to prevent theft, as well as introduce a culture that despises excessive consumption of goods, I emphasize the word "excessive", and here some people like to rush to extremes.
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        3. blog
          blog 22 December 2015 15: 10 New
          0
          Quote: Alexej
          The bad thing is what you will become if you are half a life engaged in the consumption of goods, of which there are so many that they take a lot of time ... Yes, because people scotch.

          And what happens to a person who needs 1,5 hours by train to go one way to buy sausages? And then another and in line a couple of hours to look after her? Is he spiritualized? Where exactly, in line, or in the train? Or, already in the reverse electic, when rushing this sausage home?
          Quote: Alexej
          And I would prefer to work interestingly, so that I would be interested to work. And most people have to work for money,

          You will be surprised, but this is how the world works. And those people who row loot for doing what they love are called happy. Elementary things you need to explain.
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      3. Aleksander
        Aleksander 22 December 2015 12: 16 New
        +3
        In most cases, a person in a comfort zone fattening externally and internally, and begins to resemble an animal


        The most "lean" (externally and internally) man was in primeval cave. In vain he, oh in vain (according to the author) crawled out from there ....
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    5. Samaritan
      Samaritan 22 December 2015 11: 45 New
      +8
      Are there any concrete suggestions?
      Scolding, it’s always easier ...
      what the author wrote is known and understood by all over 30 ...
    6. Aksakal_07
      Aksakal_07 22 December 2015 12: 03 New
      +8
      Quote: Scoun
      his words are a lot of truth

      And even more - lies. The same Americans are not so brazenly as our "businessmen" evade taxes. Before the Reagan presidency, American corporations (legal entities) paid income tax at a rate of 80%. For ours - and a 32% prohibitive rate. Income tax (former income tax) is levied on a flat scale of 13% (as in Bolivia), and in all other countries - on a progressive scale: more income - higher tax rate.
      Do you think Depardieu loves Russia? Maybe he loves. But even more he loves the tax system of Russia. Since in his native France, the highest tax rate on personal income used to reach 75%, then it was raised to 85%. And Depardieu "faded" in Russia.
      The same thing with other new "Russians" from among the Afro-Russian boxers.
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 22 December 2015 12: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: Aksakal_07
        Do you think Depardieu loves Russia? Maybe he loves. But even more he loves the tax system of Russia.

        Do you think it is checked five times a year? laughing
        Quote: Aksakal_07
        The same Americans are not so brazenly as our "businessmen" evade taxes. Before the Reagan presidency, American corporations (legal entities) paid income tax at a rate of 80%.

        Um, I did not say anything about America, but since you touched them))) please tell me how did they get such a boom of scientific discoveries? )))
        You mentioned about 13% and all the rest you counted? )))
        Remind Vasiliev whose relative? ))) or can you remember how friends of Dvorkovich’s wife took the strategic objects of the Russian Federation to their hands? )))
      2. blog
        blog 22 December 2015 15: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: Aksakal_07
        Income tax (former income tax) is levied on a flat scale of 13% (as in Bolivia), and in all other countries - on a progressive scale: more income - higher tax rate.

        You would at least sometimes be interested in what you write. The total tax burden on the payroll fund under the usual taxation system in the Russian Federation is 33,2%. A little more than 13%, right?
        At a rate of 13%, only the income of individuals (not all) received abroad is taxed. And one more thing, but that's another topic.
        1. Scoun
          Scoun 22 December 2015 18: 44 New
          +2
          Quote: blogg
          in Russia is 33,2%.

          they tell me here that in total it is all 48%
    7. Asadali
      Asadali 22 December 2015 13: 58 New
      +3
      Quote: Scoun
      By the nature of my activity))) I often encounter different people ... I know one thing for sure ... It's time to bring the government and officials to life and no matter how I feel about Potapenko .. there is a lot of truth in his words and his question about the triple transport tax relevant as well as other issues.

      Before Potapenko, I wrote here in the comments, in short, that the Government of the Russian Federation should not pull the people at this difficult time and not introduce a triple tax. I got mostly cons.
  2. Byshido_dis
    Byshido_dis 22 December 2015 11: 04 New
    -1
    Without labor, you can’t even fish out of the pond ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 22 December 2015 11: 52 New
      10
      But, you see, what’s the matter ... In most cases, in a comfort zone a person grows fat externally and internally, and begins to resemble an animal (you know which one). It is on such people that our Western "partners" are betting. Such people at the victories of Russia chant, pretty seasoned with beer, "Russia, Russia", "Putin", "Russians do not give up!" But if these people are partially deprived of the opportunity to consume, or (God forbid) their comfort zone will be shaken ...

      You are probably talking about people in this zone who received money from mom and dad.
      People who have earned this comfort zone themselves do not have time to chant and they understand life better than lumpen, who want everything at once and scream these slogans.
      You (the author) have blurred concepts, between people who really achieved everything themselves, and lumpen.
      But if these people are partially deprived of the opportunity to consume, or (God forbid) their comfort zone is shaken ... They will be able to radically change their political views.

      And it’s right, a person whose fruits of his labor are taken away for the sake of the Plato and incomprehensible political decisions. Yes, and the same economic - has the right to do so
      ... And then, after 10-20 years, some "wise guy" will be perplexed: "Why do we live worse than in the West?" Yes, because in order for something to work, this “something” needs to be brought to mind, moreover, by joint efforts.

      As for joint efforts - in more detail.
      someone asked me. when he received hundreds of billions for oil - he invested money in no one knows where, from Eurovision, ASTEC, the Olympics, Pipes, etc. etc. - stupidly eating and screaming - sucking, dough is not measured.
      Someone invested in real industry, and not in unknown chips, obscure friends, etc. etc.?
      Where is it together?
      And when the northern fox came - so right away, if you changed your political views - you are a traitor and let's share the difficulties, only as no one says. at least in half.
      The author offers an interesting program
      difficulties (made by the authorities) are the problems of the lower classes, while the lower classes do not have the moral right to make problems for the upper classes.
      Honestly.
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 22 December 2015 12: 35 New
        11
        Quote: atalef
        The author offers an interesting program
        difficulties (made by the authorities) are the problems of the lower classes, while the lower classes do not have the moral right to make problems for the upper classes.
        Honestly.

        Bravo atalef!
        I would very much like to see a person from power who showed an example of altruism and civil sacrifice in the name of the country.
        Dear costumes, timers, glossy faces flicker on television, but where is modesty, moderation, dedication?
        The question arises as to why a person who has become a top-level official immediately acquires gorgeous cars, super-expensive real estate, accounts abroad, “talented” wives and children who are very successful in business. For 25 years, the "System" began to reproduce itself in the face of the children of officials and an ordinary citizen to get into this system is IMPOSSIBLE.
        Lomonosov then was easier than a talented child from the province now.
        Everyone has heard the Sechin family, dad receiving millions from the state a day, and a 25-year-old offspring who has already taken a leading position in Rosneft, a family of "gulls" with two "talented" sons, etc.
        Around what a bright idea do millionaires and billionaires from the authorities want to unite the nation?
        If around the idea of ​​preserving their wealth and privileged position, then I am categorically against it.
        Well, I can’t find a commonality of interests between the factory worker and the Rottenberg family, for example, I just can’t.
        And as the classic said, soon the people will have nothing to "lose but their chains."
      2. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 22 December 2015 13: 01 New
        +4
        Quote: atalef
        Honestly.

        Sanya - generally zer gut .. hi good
        I have a feeling - the money that I earned, I recaptured from the state in battle, despite all the obstacles ..
        1. atalef
          atalef 22 December 2015 13: 12 New
          +7
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          Quote: atalef
          Honestly.

          Sanya - generally zer gut .. hi good
          I have a feeling - the money that I earned, I recaptured from the state in battle, despite all the obstacles ..


          Hey . Nikolay.
          This article reminds me of the position of our Orthodox.
          Which are not working and living on my taxes. they say that the country rests on their spirituality, and I am a consumer. whose place is in Hell.
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 22 December 2015 13: 16 New
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            Hey . Nikolay.

            Hi Sasha, I’m down the line, I wrote something like that .. and about "spiritual bonds"
            They make a fool of us and propagandize us, but we all don’t believe them that some are near ... laughing apparently ..
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 22 December 2015 13: 24 New
              +5
              Quote: afdjhbn67
              Make a fool of us and promote

              Constantly!
          2. padded jacket
            padded jacket 22 December 2015 14: 13 New
            0
            Quote: atalef
            This article reminds me of the position of our Orthodox.
            Which are not working and living on my taxes. they say that the country rests on their spirituality, and I am a consumer. whose place is in Hell.

            It’s absolutely right that atalef don’t be afraid to stand up against these Torah students and do nothing, because there are almost six hundred thousand of them and they don’t work (live on benefits) they don’t pay taxes, they don’t actually serve in the army and consider ordinary Jews “second-class” people.

            And this is not counting the thousands of officials who steal a huge amount of money from those that simple "working" Jews earned as they say in blood and sweat.
            Netivey Israel Case: Suspects Suspended
            Police officers from the Lahav 433 department raided the homes of employees of the National Highway Company Israel. About 20 people were detained for interrogation, including company executives.
            According to the radio station "Reshet Bet", a case has been opened on suspicion of bribery and fraud on an especially large scale (we are talking about tens of millions of shekels), as well as corruption, expressed in appointments to the posts of relatives of senior employees of the company
            http://newsru.co.il/israel/03nov2015/arest_702.html
            28 suspects detained in two hundred million shekel fraud investigations
            In particular, they are charged with diluting gasoline with other liquids (probably the film "Gentlemen of Fortune" watched and began to dilute gasoline with donkey urine) lol
            http://newsru.co.il/israel/15dec2015/mosh308.html
            You must go openly and boldly say - down with the power of thieves and religious lawlessness, Jews are also proud and honest people.
            Long live the revolution in Israel, labor Jewry should be free !!!!!
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      3. cap
        cap 22 December 2015 13: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: atalef

        "You are probably talking about people in this zone who received money from mom and dad.
        People who have earned this comfort zone themselves do not have time to chant and they understand life better than lumpen, who want everything at once and scream these slogans.
        You (the author) have blurred concepts, between people who really achieved everything themselves, and lumpen. "

        You can agree with a small reservation:
        people who achieved "everything themselves" while working in Russia are certainly not "suckers"
        therefore, for them, and more precisely for their gray capital in the form of dollars, there are offshore zones controlled in one way or another by transnational capital that takes them into account.
        To have millions and remain an “unnoticed” capitalist is an illusion.
        This "cookie" in your pocket is on all of our oligarchs who have earned by honestly taking money from the state.
        But this is part of another problem and a long discussion.
        Maybe not in everything, but in general I agree with the author.
        Vividly expressing his position on the issues indicated in the article, he made many people think about their opinions.
        As can be seen from the discussion, not to no avail. hi
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        2. atalef
          atalef 22 December 2015 13: 49 New
          +2
          Quote: cap
          You can agree with a small caveat: people who achieved “everything themselves” while working in Russia are certainly not “suckers,” so for them, and more precisely for their gray capital in the form of dollars, there are offshore zones controlled in one way or another by transnational capital that takes them into account .

          I talked about honestly working and paying tax citizens
  3. 1976AG
    1976AG 22 December 2015 11: 08 New
    27
    Better to check the "top" for lice! And that means the people must save each, and the oligarchs are raging with fat, exclusive cars, yachts, football clubs ... They don’t remember how much money they themselves have. What, honestly earned, seven pots came off?
    1. Aleksey888
      Aleksey888 22 December 2015 11: 20 New
      20
      Yeah, and then some for 400000r. go to the Duma, and others for 6000r. galloping all day worn (postmen and more)
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 22 December 2015 12: 48 New
        -2
        The higher the level, the more they pay - each creator of his own happiness.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 22 December 2015 11: 27 New
      +9
      Already they don’t remember how much money they have.
      yeah I remember one said so, I don’t count money. just folding.
    3. dison
      dison 22 December 2015 11: 39 New
      0
      Sorry, but you are just like an inveterate consumer. To change something, you need to start with yourself. And what to check the top? Aren't people from the bottom appeared there?
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 22 December 2015 11: 51 New
        +2
        And I began long ago with myself, back in Soviet times. I have never dealt with theft and fraud, and therefore I live accordingly. But this “something” for some reason has not changed. Looks like it was not in me. And what are you defending the top, are they really?
        1. dison
          dison 22 December 2015 13: 11 New
          +2
          I don’t defend the top, I want to emphasize the idea once again - the top also came out of the people, just those of them who were most dissatisfied with the authorities and changed everything, promised that they all changed right away, how did they come to power? No, maybe they thought they were different, but they themselves were originally consumers.
          1. 1976AG
            1976AG 22 December 2015 13: 28 New
            0
            Many of the nouveau riche have a criminal past.
      2. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 22 December 2015 12: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: dison
        And what to check the top? Aren't people from the bottom appeared there?
        - Compliance with the law is stable if punishment is inevitable. And our "celestials", although they are from the "people", know that the raven is a crow, or a seagull is a seagull, the eye will not hatch. Here they go.
    4. jetfors_84
      jetfors_84 22 December 2015 11: 56 New
      +4
      Very agree with the proposal. The people and so we endure everything. And listen to tales of a brighter future from the current government, I'm sorry TIRED. When Mr. Peskov agrees that all officials have children who are suddenly the most intelligent and outstanding business women. And they do not owe anything to their parents in power. This is not surprising, but rather annoying.
  4. Indifferent
    Indifferent 22 December 2015 11: 11 New
    +4
    All is correct. To the author plus. And a huge plus for saying Hemingway. It is a pity that our "elite" knows nothing about this statement and will never know, because they don’t read books.
    1. atalef
      atalef 22 December 2015 12: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: indifferent
      All is correct. To the author plus. And a huge plus for saying Hemingway. It is a pity that our "elite" knows nothing about this statement and will never know, because they don’t read books.

      Check out his biography.
      His statements (which caused you such delight) remind me, the words of GDP and DAM - we have enough money to survive the crisis (the only question is who did they mean)
      Khomengway. he achieved everything himself, working hard and the income from his books was in the millions.
      So here. finding peace and tranquility and no longer thinking about daily bread. He certainly began to teach others. that money is not the main thing.
      Good to talk about it. living in a villa, not plowing to provide for the family and the future of children.
      In September 1921, together with his young wife, the writer went to live in Paris. He described life in France in the novel "A Holiday That Is Always With You."

      In 1926-1929, Hemingway's novels “And the Sun Rises (Fiesta)” were published - a pessimistic, but at the same time brilliant novel “about the lost generation” of young people living in France and Spain of the 1920s, and “Farewell to Arms” - The story of the unhappy love of an American volunteer and an English nurse, developed against the backdrop of the battles of the First World War.

      These Hemingway novels made a splash in America. All copies of the books were sold out, despite the crisis.

      In 1927-33, Hemingway books were published - collections of short stories "Men Without Women" and "The Winner Gets Nothing."

      In the early 30s, the writer returned to America. In 1932, in Florida, he wrote the novel "Death in the Afternoon", where he described the bullfighting with great accuracy, presenting it as a ritual of the test of courage.

      In 1933, the stories of Hemingway were published in the collection "The Winner Will Get Nothing." The proceeds from this book of Hemingway were spent by him on the realization of his old dream - a trip to Africa.

      The trip was not entirely successful, the writer caught a tropical infection in Africa and, in serious condition, was sent to the hospital. Nevertheless, he recorded his impressions in the book "Green Hills of Africa", in fact, it was a diary of a traveler.

      In December 1941, Japan attacked the United States, in response, the Americans entered the war, turning the Atlantic Ocean into a war zone. In the Second World War, the writer took an active part: organized counterintelligence against fascist spies in Cuba (1941-43), participated in the combat flights of bombers over Germany and occupied France (1944); stands at the head of a detachment of French partisans.

      After the war in 1949, the writer moved to Cuba and resumed literary activity. In 1950-1952, Hemingway novels appeared: “Beyond the River, in the Shade of Trees” and “The Old Man and the Sea”, for which the writer received the Pulitzer Prize in 1953. “The Old Man and the Sea” is a book about a man who is alone in the world, where he can only rely on his own perseverance, faced with the eternal injustice of fate.

      In 1960, the writer returned to the United States. He suffered from a number of serious illnesses and was placed in a psychiatric clinic. As a result of treatment, Hemingway lost his memory and lost the ability to formulate thoughts in writing.

      July 2, 1961, after being discharged from the clinic, Hemingway shot himself from his beloved gun.
    2. atalef
      atalef 22 December 2015 12: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: indifferent
      All is correct. To the author plus. And a huge plus for saying Hemingway. It is a pity that our "elite" knows nothing about this statement and will never know, because they don’t read books.

      Check out his biography.
      His statements (which caused you such delight) remind me, the words of GDP and DAM - we have enough money to survive the crisis (the only question is who did they mean)
      Khomengway. he achieved everything himself, working hard and the income from his books was in the millions.
      So here. finding peace and tranquility and no longer thinking about daily bread. He certainly began to teach others. that money is not the main thing.
      Good to talk about it. living in a villa, not plowing to provide for the family and the future of children.
      In September 1921, together with his young wife, the writer went to live in Paris. He described life in France in the novel "A Holiday That Is Always With You."

      In 1926-1929, Hemingway's novels “And the Sun Rises (Fiesta)” were published - a pessimistic, but at the same time brilliant novel “about the lost generation” of young people living in France and Spain of the 1920s, and “Farewell to Arms” - The story of the unhappy love of an American volunteer and an English nurse, developed against the backdrop of the battles of the First World War.

      These Hemingway novels made a splash in America. All copies of the books were sold out, despite the crisis.

      In 1927-33, Hemingway books were published - collections of short stories "Men Without Women" and "The Winner Gets Nothing."

      In the early 30s, the writer returned to America. In 1932, in Florida, he wrote the novel "Death in the Afternoon", where he described the bullfighting with great accuracy, presenting it as a ritual of the test of courage.

      In 1933, the stories of Hemingway were published in the collection "The Winner Will Get Nothing." The proceeds from this book of Hemingway were spent by him on the realization of his old dream - a trip to Africa.

      The trip was not entirely successful, the writer caught a tropical infection in Africa and, in serious condition, was sent to the hospital. Nevertheless, he recorded his impressions in the book "Green Hills of Africa", in fact, it was a diary of a traveler.

      In December 1941, Japan attacked the United States, in response, the Americans entered the war, turning the Atlantic Ocean into a war zone. In the Second World War, the writer took an active part: organized counterintelligence against fascist spies in Cuba (1941-43), participated in the combat flights of bombers over Germany and occupied France (1944); stands at the head of a detachment of French partisans.

      After the war in 1949, the writer moved to Cuba and resumed literary activity. In 1950-1952, Hemingway novels appeared: “Beyond the River, in the Shade of Trees” and “The Old Man and the Sea”, for which the writer received the Pulitzer Prize in 1953. “The Old Man and the Sea” is a book about a man who is alone in the world, where he can only rely on his own perseverance, faced with the eternal injustice of fate.

      In 1960, the writer returned to the United States. He suffered from a number of serious illnesses and was placed in a psychiatric clinic. As a result of treatment, Hemingway lost his memory and lost the ability to formulate thoughts in writing.

      July 2, 1961, after being discharged from the clinic, Hemingway shot himself from his beloved gun.
  5. kazachyok69
    kazachyok69 22 December 2015 11: 11 New
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    But if these people are partially deprived of the opportunity to consume, or (God forbid) their comfort zone will be shaken ...

    What are you talking about? We have a country of double standards! The authorities say one thing, in fact they do the other ... All the Kids are either abroad, or everything is completely Genius Billionaires ... What do you want from the People? Refused to everything? Worked for UNCLE (not a country, not a state, namely Uncle) for free? Will Uncle have everything? What system do we have now? What is the political system? Do you want to change it?
    Yes ... about consumption ... we have tens of millions, at the current level of income, they can’t eat normally ...
    1. Army soldier2
      Army soldier2 22 December 2015 12: 15 New
      0
      I’ll tell you, dear, true story. A correspondent, simply an opposition journalist, came to the Chechen company to the commander and threw a sentence saying: “Young guys are dying here, and general’s children are in Moscow” (according to your version, everything is abroad). The commander, do not be a fool, gave the command, and from the nearest positions gathered and presented to her 15 children of the generals. All junior officers.
      So, do not measure everything "on one arshin" ...
      1. 97110
        97110 22 December 2015 12: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: Army 2
        Commander, don't be a fool

        And who then was if this fact quietly drowned in an information swamp without becoming known to ANYONE except you? Shy of the commander fathers? And why? What are the Great Shame on Journalists (Unlike Magazines)? They climb under fire, "For courage" receive. A loud and very necessary fact is missed, not lit. And the result
        Quote: kazachyok69
        All the Kids are either abroad, or here all without exception Geniuses Billionaires ...

        When will GlavPur work? It is necessary to inspire the personnel. Better - a personal example. Would give a compilation where necessary (who decides where to give?) About the heroes-sons of the fathers-generals. Since there is no such information in the public domain, the general reader (TV tower and hearing) draws a conclusion about children over the hill.
      2. atalef
        atalef 22 December 2015 13: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Army 2
        A correspondent, simply an opposition journalist, came to the Chechen company to the commander and threw a sentence saying: “Young guys are dying here, and general’s children are in Moscow” (according to your version, everything is abroad). The commander, do not be a fool, gave the command, and from the nearest positions they gathered and presented to her 15 children of generals. All junior officers

        You know, there are so many generals in the Moscow Region, or they are all large families. whether for some reason all of them were in the NEAREST positions.
        I have no doubt that the children of the generals also fought in Chechnya, but 15 in one place.
        Quote: Army 2
        I will tell you, dear, true story

        Sorry, not convinced.
        1. alexej123
          alexej123 22 December 2015 14: 32 New
          0
          Do not smack nonsense if you do not know. You watch "Everything is bad in Russia." Read for the children of Generals Pulikovsky and Shpak. Not just generals were commanders. In addition to Brother Netanyahu, name the children of the Israeli army generals who died in the conflicts.
          1. atalef
            atalef 22 December 2015 20: 20 New
            +1
            Quote: alexej123
            Do not smack nonsense if you do not know. You watch "Everything is bad in Russia." Read for the children of Generals Pulikovsky and Shpak. Not just generals were commanders

            Read my post carefully

            Quote: atalef
            I have no doubt that the children of the generals also fought in Chechnya, but 15 in one place.


            Quote: alexej123
            In addition to Brother Netanyahu, name the children of the Israeli army generals who died in the conflicts.

            Yoni Netanyahu was not the son of a general and he was the older brother of Bibi Natanyahu
            I will pick up info on your question, the only thing I know is 100%, that EVERYTHING, absolutely all the children of our politicians and the military served in the army, and the same applies to girls.
            It’s almost impossible to get into Israeli politics with children who have squandered from the army.
            1. alexej123
              alexej123 22 December 2015 20: 36 New
              0
              Read carefully what I wrote - brother Netanyahu, his name was given to the operation in Enteb. I know that. I wrote for the fact that representatives of the country with your flag are constantly trying to show that modern Russia is one in which "everything is bad." Your post "You know, there are so many generals in the Moscow Region, or they are all large families. For some reason, all of them were in the NEAREST positions.
              I have no doubt that the children of the generals also fought in Chechnya, but 15 and in one place. "I proved to you that you write about things you don’t know. I, through an example, proved to you that in Russia, the children of the commanders of the armies and troops, not only fighting, but also dying while doing their duty, and not hiding behind the backs of their relatives, like representatives of the country you worship - the United States. McCain - from the media, soldiers died on the aircraft carrier due to the idiot. this bastard was not even condemned, ran for president.
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      3. atalef
        atalef 22 December 2015 13: 06 New
        0
        Quote: Army 2
        A correspondent, simply an opposition journalist, came to the Chechen company to the commander and threw a sentence saying: “Young guys are dying here, and general’s children are in Moscow” (according to your version, everything is abroad). The commander, do not be a fool, gave the command, and from the nearest positions they gathered and presented to her 15 children of generals. All junior officers

        You know, there are so many generals in the Moscow Region, or they are all large families. whether for some reason all of them were in the NEAREST positions.
        I have no doubt that the children of the generals also fought in Chechnya, but 15 in one place.
        Quote: Army 2
        I will tell you, dear, true story

        Sorry, not convinced.
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    3. dison
      dison 22 December 2015 13: 27 New
      -2
      Another smart one. And I got the pluses right away. Every power habits much. But essentially, can you offer some kind of solution?
    4. atalef
      atalef 22 December 2015 20: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: kazachyok69
      What are you talking about? We have a country of double standards! The authorities say one thing, in fact, do the other ... All the Kids are either abroad, or here everything is complete Geniuses Billionaires

      well, the proverb - Nature rests on the children of geniuses - does not apply to members of the government and deputies of the State Duma
  6. Raskolnik
    Raskolnik 22 December 2015 11: 11 New
    +8
    We will never introduce a tax on luxury.
    1. Aroma77
      Aroma77 22 December 2015 11: 41 New
      +3
      This is where you have to start!
  7. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 22 December 2015 11: 13 New
    +2
    Some kind of porridge
    "Why do we live worse than in the West?" Yes, because in order for something to work, this “something” needs to be brought to mind, moreover, by joint efforts.
    It seems like the Minister of Economy began to publish. This conclusion should be deduced instead of a prologue.
  8. alllll
    alllll 22 December 2015 11: 13 New
    -4
    The difficult economic situation indicates the insolvency of the current form of society. Yes, this is a test for lice, Soviet socialism did not pass it.
  9. sa-ag
    sa-ag 22 December 2015 11: 13 New
    +6
    When depriving society of a single goal, it - society is simply fragmented into a certain community of individuals united only by geographical boundaries, and then the goal of each individual becomes a simple instinct for survival, creating a comfortable living environment for itself, influencing this environment, you can influence the behavior of the individual, thus managing the society relatively low costs, regulating the information flow and the quantity and range of consumer goods.

    "... What a person can do to achieve such benefits is a separate issue that I don’t want to consider."

    In vain, at the moment it is very relevant, very ...
  10. Good cat
    Good cat 22 December 2015 11: 17 New
    +5
    In my opinion, he wrote everything correctly, for which the minuses to the author? The capitalist system is based on consumption, not on creation, isn’t it?
    1. Banshee
      Banshee 22 December 2015 11: 37 New
      +5
      To consume something, it is something that must first be created.
      1. Wheel
        Wheel 22 December 2015 12: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: Banshee
        To consume something, it is something that must first be created.

        Theoretically correct, but practically ....
        If our state’s economic policy is based on the principle of “why do something, if you can buy,” then what kind of creation can we talk about?
  11. engineer74
    engineer74 22 December 2015 11: 17 New
    +4
    IMHO, do not confuse the goals of the PEOPLE and its individual representative - they usually differ! If they do not interfere with each other, then there will be development, if they are contradictory, then there will be no people, there will be just a crowd!
    And our problem, on the whole in a different plane: we forgot or lost the goal of the people, not the state - it serves, as it can, the interests of individuals, namely the people, the meaning of existence, if you like. hi
  12. oldav
    oldav 22 December 2015 11: 17 New
    +1
    For me, survived the "hungry nineties" of today's "difficulties" like an elephant crumb. I remember how in '92 my family didn’t eat sugar and meat for six months, I had only trousers with patches and sneakers with holes, at night they collected and handed over the bottles. And now my child, an iPhone, has a tablet with 5-6 pairs of djins, good furniture in his room. And honestly, in my childhood, I was better at development and intelligence than he is now.
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 22 December 2015 11: 20 New
      15
      Quote: oldav
      ... And now my child, iPhone, tablet has 5-6 pairs of djins, good furniture in his room. And honestly, in my childhood, I was better at development and intelligence than he is now.

      "Fat belly to learning is deaf!" Sorry, could not resist ... smile
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 22 December 2015 12: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: engineer74
        Quote: oldav
        ... And now my child, iPhone, tablet has 5-6 pairs of djins, good furniture in his room. And honestly, in my childhood, I was better at development and intelligence than he is now.

        "Fat belly to learning is deaf!" Sorry, could not resist ... smile

        ... The hungry kuma is all the bread on my mind!
        Balance is needed ... Here is the achievement of this balance - the most difficult task (if in Lenin's style ...)
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 22 December 2015 11: 30 New
      +4
      And now my child, iPhone, tablet has 5-6 pairs of djins, good furniture in his room
      here it is a consumer's dream.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 22 December 2015 11: 43 New
        +1
        And apparently, for the child, just the same today's difficulties are a tragedy. And this is the future generation.
        1. oldav
          oldav 22 December 2015 12: 26 New
          +1
          So they basically groan. Those who in Thai or Egypt could not go to NG or a second car in the family could not buy. or those who perfectly lived in the 90s are groaning and now they are a little impoverished.
      2. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 22 December 2015 14: 25 New
        0
        Quote: Gardamir
        here it is a consumer's dream.

        Leonid you believe in this .. mulka ?? crying
  13. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 22 December 2015 11: 20 New
    +6
    "Give a man what he needs - and he will want comfort. Provide him with comfort - he will strive for luxury. Show him luxury - he will begin to sigh for the exquisite. Let him receive the exquisite - and he will crave frenzy. Give him whatever he desires - and he will complain that he was deceived and that he received not at all what he wanted, "Hemingway wrote.
    How true is that! Even at Grebenshchikov: "Their children are going crazy because they have nothing more to want."
    Gavel, author. A person should not strive only for material wealth. From this, the body and brain gobble.
    1. sisa29
      sisa29 22 December 2015 11: 30 New
      +4
      You're right. True, the first author of this is still Pushkin - "The Tale of the Fisherman and the Goldfish"
  14. Gor-1974
    Gor-1974 22 December 2015 11: 20 New
    +7
    When the message comes from the “top” that man does not live by bread alone, that happiness is not in cars and apartments, not trips around the world, but in something that makes up the spiritual essence of man, I immediately recall the officers who lived in simple conditions with soldiers, and as Levchenko told Sharapov, they did not hide their officer ration in the corners. And so, when in the country, as the sovereigns write, a crisis has ripened, and ordinary people, roughly speaking, have paper sausages and sausage, for those who are of course upset, write down 8 times, figuratively speaking, smearing black caviar on red, without bread straight to the tongue. I think these people know a lot about crises and their words, chewing caviar are of great weight, evoking understanding of the processes that are happening in the country.
  15. fox21h
    fox21h 22 December 2015 11: 20 New
    +2
    Two fingers up, completely agree with the author.
  16. Irbis77
    Irbis77 22 December 2015 11: 22 New
    11
    the fact that we have such an economy, we need to ask Mr. Medvedev and his company which should have been ready for such a situation in the world. why the author decided to check our society for lice - workers, military, pensioners, scientists, teachers, is not clear. do not translate the arrows.
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 22 December 2015 12: 03 New
      +3
      Yeah, one Vedmedeva, - and the guarantor there was just sitting next just for furniture !! laughing
  17. gukoyan
    gukoyan 22 December 2015 11: 22 New
    +1
    Ehhh, it’s written correctly, only our country is not only great and powerful, but also generous.
    Unfortunately, the current youth has gone terribly now ... At one time, we were naughty and spoiled, and the new generation is terribly educated ... Sometimes you pass by this rabble that drives beer on a bench, you are horrified if you think about what kind of offspring they will give .
    1. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 22 December 2015 11: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: gukoyan
      and the new generation is terribly educated ... Sometimes you pass by this scum that drives a beer on a bench, you are horrified if you think about what kind of offspring they will give.


      Sorry, but this generation is brought up in a vacuum, under a cap ?!
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 22 December 2015 12: 56 New
      -1
      As if there weren’t such ones before - they were and always will be, but not all of them are scum.
  18. drago36
    drago36 22 December 2015 11: 23 New
    +6
    How many live so much and they check me)
  19. Zeppelin ml.
    Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 11: 23 New
    +6
    How was morality destroyed? Yes, they simply distracted us from thoughts about the development of mankind with thoughts about sex.

    Lol! "There was no cekca in the USSR, so we were the first in space."

    Do you want to travel around countries ...?

    yes I want to.

    If yes, then congratulations - you are a true consumer

    get fucked up. Thank you for your congratulations.
    That is, Soviet society was completely deprived of "bourgeois" hoteliers "to live in a separate (not luxurious, but just a separate) apartment", "to have a car (not expensive, but just a car)", "there is more tasty (well, here it’s clear - deficit was not at the tables at all, but everyone lusted at him) "?

    I live in a great country, in which a great nation lives, able to overcome any virus from the outside

    definitely great. But not in the great authorship. And the author, it seems, wants it so much.

    Another nostalgic opus. Not a better hit.
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 12: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: Zeppelin ml.
      But not in the great authorship.

      what the hell? Why do letters change?
      I write autarchy, changing to "o" .... What the ..
  20. CHEF
    CHEF 22 December 2015 11: 26 New
    +3
    It is well noticed, at the expense of the overweight "managers" poured with beer and screaming in SPORT BARS, "Russia, come on! Russia forward!" As soon as work is lost, and there is nothing to pay the dimensionless loans of a “successful Russian”, immediately whining up the tail begins to whine about the fact that “all are gamegoers, and D Artagnan” and their homeland suddenly become ugly.
  21. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 22 December 2015 11: 26 New
    +5
    even Hem was not impressed - he wrote about something else, society in different conditions ..
    With a critical stratification of society, calls to tighten the belt cause directly opposite feelings, alas, we did not manage to become a consumer society in its classical sense
    And looking at what is going on in power and those close to it, it’s some kind of cynicism ..
    The name of Hemengway’s novel “Who the bell tolls about” ??? would be more suitable ??? .. (without text)
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 22 December 2015 12: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      even Hem was not impressed - he wrote about something else, society in different conditions ..
      With a critical stratification of society, calls to tighten the belt cause directly opposite feelings, alas, we did not manage to become a consumer society in its classical sense

      not "tighten the belt", but to revive spirituality!
      1. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 12: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: CONTROL
        not "tighten the belt", but to revive spirituality!

        Well, yes, yes ... Or, elementary, education:
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        The name of the novel Hem would be more suitableеngueya - " О whom the bell tolls "??? .. (without text)

        special thanks for "no text" laughing
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 22 December 2015 12: 56 New
          0
          Quote: Zeppelin ml.
          special thanks for "no text"

          Strongly do not rejoice - I will send you a text in PM lol
          1. Zeppelin ml.
            Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 19: 03 New
            -1
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            Strongly do not rejoice - I will send you a text in PM

            yes no, thanks ... Somehow without semi-literate ...
      2. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 22 December 2015 12: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: CONTROL
        not "tighten the belt", but to revive spirituality!

        Quote your beloved - about "spiritual bonds"
        and tighten the belt is the general message of this opus ..
  22. knn54
    knn54 22 December 2015 11: 27 New
    +4
    Either hunger will crush us, or satiety will destroy us ... (B. Okudzhava).
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 22 December 2015 12: 13 New
      0
      Quote: knn54
      Either hunger will crush us, or satiety will destroy us

      Where not to throw - everywhere a wedge
      around enemies and treason ..)))))
  23. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 22 December 2015 11: 33 New
    +2
    But they can create a "crowd", as in Kiev on the Maidan

    They tried under the strict guidance of the "liberals" and sponsors on Bolotnaya - failed. And the majority of Russians still do not support (to put it mildly) such "extras" and are ready to confront them, moreover, harshly. The nineties come back when youth education was reduced to zero.
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 11: 46 New
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      They tried under the strict guidance of the "liberals" and sponsors on Bolotnaya - failed.

      then there were more or less well-fed times. Thanks to the expensive barrel, we were not covered by the first wave of the crisis. The mood of the masses, alas, is quite changeable; today the idols of the crowd cheerfully crucify tomorrow. The lessons of the neighboring Maidan are quickly forgotten when the employer thinks about staff reductions. And liberals, oppov and other "friends of the people" simply have neither potential nor a bright leader. Till.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 22 December 2015 11: 54 New
        0
        not a bright leader. While.

        Do you hope that such a leader appears? Do not tell me under what nickname you were on the site before. Is your criticism familiar with most comments?
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 11: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: rotmistr60
          Do you hope that such a leader appears?

          I do not hope, but I admit.
          Quote: rotmistr60
          Do not tell me under what nickname you were on the site before.

          who cares? Will you be from the orderlies of the site?
          1. rotmistr60
            rotmistr60 22 December 2015 12: 06 New
            0
            Will you be from the orderlies of the site?

            No, I wrote that the manner of your criticism is familiar. He took an interest out of curiosity. Therefore, in vain you raise the tone.
      2. kazachyok69
        kazachyok69 22 December 2015 12: 19 New
        +5
        . And liberals, oppov and other "friends of the people" simply have neither potential nor a bright leader. Till.

        Is Vladimir Vladimirovich not a Liberal? Or bring you his words? And his "lawyer of the time of Sobchak" Dmitry Anatolyevich is not a Liberal? And the Government of the Friends of the Leader, which cannot be changed, is not liberal?
        And the welfare of these friends of the People with their friends and relatives how? and consumption?
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 12: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: kazachyok69
          Is Vladimir Vladimirovich not a Liberal?

          this is a question of terminology)
          1. kazachyok69
            kazachyok69 22 December 2015 13: 49 New
            0
            So determine the terminology then)))) What heresy is to fence ....
            "Liberals" who is this? What they want? And who is the super rich "liberals" of the Government? What's the Difference? The fact that supposedly some "liberals" want something bad, but they are NOBODY ... And other "liberals" Power and have everything in full without answering for anything? In fact, is that so?
            1. Zeppelin ml.
              Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 13: 59 New
              0
              Quote: kazachyok69
              So determine the terminology then)))) What heresy is to fence ....

              don't get excited. I myself am not enthusiastic about the fact that with a light hand ... hmm ... I don’t even know who exactly ... the word "liberal" has a meaning that is completely different from the original. Well, I will take into account criticism and I will use the term "libertarian" laughing
              1. kazachyok69
                kazachyok69 22 December 2015 14: 19 New
                +1
                lol libertarian lol
                And now who is the power? Is it the "libertarians" that everyone has now? Are they super rich? (By the way, who are they by name?) ..
                And the team “Putin and K” are in fact super-rich and who are not responsible for anything? Patriots? What? Your wallet? They are clearly not "liberals." What will they be named? Liberians? lol
  24. iouris
    iouris 22 December 2015 11: 43 New
    +3
    Society does not consist of people, but of individuals - subjects of civil law relations. People belong to certain classes. Classes are large groups of individuals that differ in relation to the means of production and the methods and sizes of appropriation of the social product. The fundamental interests of the class are expressed by political parties that seek to seize power in the state. Parties develop ideologies and wage political struggle. Ideology is a system of views of the class on the fundamental problems of relationships with other classes and the seizure and retention of power. In a class antagonistic society, there are irreconcilable contradictions about the relations of ownership and distribution, so the state is a machine for suppressing one class by another, an instrument of dictatorship. Currently, dictatorship is carried out in the form of democracy. This form of dictatorship allows you to retouch the most acute class contradictions. The political regime is determined by the severity of the contradictions between the ruling and other main classes of society.
    A “difficult economic situation” is a product of existing relations of ownership and distribution.
    "Checking society" for lice "" - monitoring the compliance of the political regime with the balance of power between the ruling class and the rest during the period of intensification of the political struggle.
  25. evil partisan
    evil partisan 22 December 2015 11: 47 New
    +2
    Yesterday, only at our work regarding sanctions was a moan. Like in vain Putin went into all seriousness and got in touch with America. it was necessary to do what America said and everything would be fine. Like this. Moreover, these thoughts were expressed by people of the age category from 50+ to 25. All with higher education. Mostly physics / mathematics ...
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 11: 56 New
      +4
      Quote: wicked partisan
      That's it.

      and what surprises you? Sooner or later, the initial sanction enthusiasm should have come to naught due to the sudden understanding that sanctions were not jamon and Lithuanian cheese. No one is ready for a protracted economic war.
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  27. press officer
    press officer 22 December 2015 11: 49 New
    -3
    Quote: Aleksey888
    Yeah, and then some for 400000r. go to the Duma, and others for 6000r. galloping all day worn (postmen and more)


    stop here on such things, I always say: so go get at least into the city council of your county! and before that - get an education and enter the civil service, go through everything, starting with the post of junior specialist with a salary of 10 thousand with all the allowances, then further up the steps, then break through (at least 5 years) to the position of chief specialist with s / n in 16 thousand rubles. keep going! when you become at least the deputy head of the department, be creative, stand out from the crowd of 3 thousand. employees (the usual apparatus of the Duma + - another 1 thousand) so that the deputies of the chapter pay attention to you or your clever ideas, make your way there, spend another 10 years on everything, then collect contributions for a couple of lamas, seduce all the grandmothers in the area (where they gathered to ), do not forget that our grannies are not without selfishness! Do not give them food rations, they won’t vote! And if you still have to arrange a holiday for them at your own expense (on March 8 \ day of rear veterans \ February 23, etc.) and gifts should be decent, and do not forget to pay your advertising company in the city! Almost everything will come out in your hard-earned lyamov 5! And then if you go through and it is you who will be chosen, and not the one who gave gifts to grandmothers tastier, then you will sit and receive 120 thousand. ruble per month (this is by region!). Not talking about everyone. I’m not talking about “blatniks”, because if you don’t have your own candle-and-furnace plant, and there’s nothing to pay into the treasury for your elections, they won’t take you into the game and “blat” will not help! The State Duma is slightly different, but not very different. After all, they all sit already earned comfortable old age before being elected! Or those who sat there in the 80-90s! And they will sit there until they carry them forward! So do not consider how much they are paid, that’s not the point! But the fact is that you sit there and will do exactly what they are doing now! And no way. Power is addictive. negative
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 22 December 2015 12: 20 New
      0
      Firstly, do not speak for everyone. And secondly, the wording “power drags on” is very convenient for justifying so many crimes! Let’s then abolish the law enforcement bodies. Let everyone survive as he can, and if he does not survive, then he is not worthy!
    2. CONTROL
      CONTROL 22 December 2015 12: 44 New
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      Quote: press attache
      go at least get into the city council of your county! and before that - get an education and enter the civil service, go through everything, starting with the position of junior specialist ...
      After all, they all sit already earned comfortable old age before being elected! Or those who sat there in the 80-90s! And they will sit there until they carry them forward! So do not consider how much they are paid, that’s not the point! But the fact is that you sit there and will do exactly what they are doing now! And no way. Power is addictive. negative

      And who’s going to power? Passed before my eyes - and pass! - numerous "elections" to and fro: in local, city, district ... and te de, but - in power! Who is in power is one in power! ...
      And the "best representatives", for example, of the "working class" climbed there - in the same 90s, and those who are ashamed to shoot someone feel sorry for the bullets! ... What their subsequent "activity" in the authorities confirmed!
      Democracy is not the best, or maybe the worst form of organization of the state and society, even the cynic and bastard Churchill mentioned this ...
      I recall some kind of science fiction movie about the “galactic empire”, or something like that ... Here, a representative of the emperor announces forced - unpopular! - measures in connection with this and that; and these measures infringe on the rights - and most importantly, income! - Galactic barons, or anyone there ... They object, protest ... How to solve the problem; the protesters are invited to the meeting room ... after 5-10 minutes, a supporter of the emperor comes out from there (at ease wiping the blade there or dagger ... and putting it in its scabbard ...), and reports - the differences are resolved! And how many? - asks the representative of the emperor. And only one troublemaker, the supporter answers ...

      PS ... but they were nominated by those who were very aptly dubbed by the people "observance"! ...
  28. zekaze1980
    zekaze1980 22 December 2015 11: 49 New
    +3
    What is the title of the article, it’s time to check for lice. Officials steal almost everything and get away with it. After the collapse of the union, the people were thrown by the state, just stupidly thrown to the mercy of fate. And now it continues, but not so explicitly. Where are the real changes for the better? Why does all the blunders of the government shift to the shoulders of the people?
    1. kazachyok69
      kazachyok69 22 December 2015 13: 59 New
      +1
      Officials steal almost everything

      You are wrong ... normal officials do not steal ... they have everything officially, through relatives, friends, everything works for it ....
      The power to check, will she let herself be checked? Are they suicides or something?
      There Chaika, it was said in Russian, it’s pure that his children are millionaire dollars, they are GENIUS! Here is the answer! In which country is this possible? In Europe? ANYWHERE !!!!!!!!!!!
      And we have all the Power! The same Shoigu ... Yeah, a Good Man, he is doing something .... BUT ... the Shoigu clan is one of the richest in Russia! This is normal? The genius family? And so it is! Absolutely all Putin's old and new friends with the authorities ....
  29. Concealer
    Concealer 22 December 2015 11: 54 New
    +1
    I remember in the USSR excellent scientific papers on the topic of "mass consciousness of a capitalist society" were written. They have all been stated in detail for a long time, and nothing needs to be invented.
    As for the "crisis", this is not a crisis of the economic system, but a change of formation. The destruction of the socio-economic formation, and as a result, the collapse of the political model of society. The collapse of established economic and political systems that seem unshakable occurs due to a change in the model of social production. This is a fundamental and inevitable process. And not only with us this is happening. The world is now global. But each society will be forced to choose its own path of development.
    So you can criticize, you can be indignant, but the process is ongoing. Whether you agree or not, the process is ongoing. I think remembering the story, you don’t need to explain what is happening and what will happen.
  30. OlegV
    OlegV 22 December 2015 11: 55 New
    +3
    "Give a man what he needs - and he will want comfort. Provide him with comfort - he will strive for luxury. Show him luxury - he will begin to sigh for the exquisite. Let him receive the exquisite - and he will crave frenzy. Give him whatever he desires - and he will complain that he was deceived and that he received not at all what he wanted, "Hemingway wrote.

    but indeed it is, ..... take any of us, which is modest there.
    1. Shpagolom
      Shpagolom 22 December 2015 17: 44 New
      +1
      ... I agree, it is necessary after EVERYTHING to take and take away so that a person feels ... how one can live without luxury and lobsters, on porridge and cabbage soup .... I am sure that most begin to understand the real charms of life .... love , friendship, children, one’s corner (not even a house), healthy loved ones, peaceful sky, sunsets and sunrises ..... Damn, how much is needed for a good life!
  31. rassel0889
    rassel0889 22 December 2015 11: 55 New
    +2
    It is interesting that each of us is the same consumer! and I’m those who + and - delivered, we are all consumers and deprive us of all this, I’m not even sure for myself that I will change my views ...
    we have a very fragile system, to be its patriot and protect, while it positions itself as "POWER" and we are "PEOPLE", stupid shepherds and herds, I do not want to protect this system. Power to the people! As it once was, although I was born in the USSR, but I did not live there, my parents brought up those patterns so much that I have nostalgia for a country that is no longer there! I dream of returning to it, and already with my own eyes to see my homeland. No matter how good Putin is, while we live in this matrix, he has no chance of saving the country.
  32. Sergey Loskutov
    Sergey Loskutov 22 December 2015 11: 59 New
    0
    Good afternoon.
    The opposition of people and authorities, of different generations, as well as the accusations of the "sins" inherent in these groups, does not give an answer to the eternal question - What to do?
    By occupation, I often encounter officials and deputies at various levels. Some of them also understand that, despite the freedom given to us in 90 years, "they and we" appeared, and the separation, separation becomes stronger.
    In the USSR, no matter how we treat the leadership, we and the “nomenclature” were closer. The leaders of a considerable level stingy their children, bearing in mind morality and their own careers.
    "What is good and what is bad" was less common.
    Modern culture in the first place develops in the person its own exclusiveness. Therefore, each person has his own moral, and, if before 90x, we were guided by a common morality, then after gaining “freedom” - by our own ambitions, by force.
    The desire for travel and other material goods were inherent in the past.
    Involuntarily recall the opinion of the character Bulgakov Woland - "they are people like people ..."
    The ruling party failed to realize its main idea - to make Russia ONE.
  33. RONIN-HS
    RONIN-HS 22 December 2015 12: 00 New
    +5
    Check for lice ...

    The authorities did not pass this test, and the Guarantor with the servant personally ... They realized too late and stupidly later realized that they were not expected "over the hill" and would not share the loot with them. Now frantically trying to unleash the defense industry. Well, at least something ...
    What power does NOT do:
    1. NOT provided ideological unity of the people. I replaced the time-tested principles of development and humanism with a liberalistic GMO, in which the authorities and the rich work on a rotational basis (they live behind the hill, they come to collect tribute).
    2. NOT created powerful public sector of the economy, industry and economy. There is no systematic development - there is no controllability and mobilization of society. Could take as a sample at least the USA of 30's and 40's under Roosevelt. If you experience clinical allergies and diarrhea ...
    3. And if there are strategic mistakes, then turns on fool - all deprivation is a test for lice, you have to tolerate a year or two ... you criticize the government - an agent of the State Department ...
    And they themselves did not limit themselves to a RUBLE in anything. And the people - new high tariffs, wild prices, "cunning ** made" Plato, and the final demolition of social protection inherited from the Soviet government.
    4. Beyond rating authorities - first sign guaranteed big fluffy polar fox, so don't relax. We will most likely get out of this ass ourselves, without these effective managers who will dump in an unknown direction.
    And help us, God ...! what
    1. Concealer
      Concealer 22 December 2015 14: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: RONIN-HS
      An overwhelming power rating is the first sign of a guaranteed large fluffy polar fox, so don't relax. We will most likely get out of this ass ourselves, without these effective managers who will dump in an unknown direction.
      And help us, God ...!

      Here I am talking about too. :)))))))))))))))))))))))
      And re-industrialization is terribly amusing. History always repeats itself. :)))))))))
  34. sapper2
    sapper2 22 December 2015 12: 08 New
    +2
    In order to ask society who it is and where it is moving, it needs to be created. And which society is created in our country? Capitalist, Social or otherwise, who defined it? Or what society are we striving for? Why is the government not generating an idea but splitting it on separate declarative and populist slogans? Because you don’t have to answer for anything.
  35. Dimachrus
    Dimachrus 22 December 2015 12: 13 New
    +2
    About the desire for a car more expensive (more prestigious, cooler, etc.), the author correctly noted. Yes, sometimes a car is really necessary, but what happens with us! The vehicle turns into a kind of fetish, almost every commercial in one way or another hammers the idea that if you are successful, advanced, not a sucker, just a normal person - you need this particular car! In addition, the fruits of modern “education” are superimposed in the form of a lack of critical thinking and the ability to think logically. I’m talking specifically about cars in view of the fact that I have been engaged in their professional repair for almost 25 years. And now it’s funny to see people taking credit and driving to prestigious (in their own opinion) foreign cars of mediocre quality overcoming 2-3 km a day to work and back! I think the situation is the same with other consumer goods. Here they are the fruits of reformatting society into a consumer society.
  36. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 22 December 2015 12: 25 New
    0
    The author is right! But not in everything. In itself, the desire to live in a spacious apartment, to drive your own car to your dacha is not shameful. This is what the progress of science and technology gave us. In the nineteenth century, a water closet with a handle that started up a drain apparatus seemed like a miracle of luxury, now I saw something like this only in the underpass of the station in Tübingen (Germany), here you have Western lizans! It is shameful when a person is likened to an old woman from Pushkin's fairy tale. If after he, having received a degree of comfort that meets the current state of science and technology, wants something in excess, envious of his neighbor, he begins to try to get what he did not earn for his activities (I’m not saying work !, because the activity may be in speculation in currency, but such speculation is not work, but undermining the country's trunk, like a bark beetle). Then it is what the author writes about. Remember, at Mayakovsky "We are philistines, you shoe us, and we are already for your power." And when the country's juices do not become so plentiful, they are indignant, begin to envy, become malleable to the affectionate words of overseas comforters and overthrow power under the silence of the people, because the people are also tired of the authorities who do not want to explain themselves to the people, tell them a lie or do not force the elite to bear the same burdens, sacrificing part of their luxury, which they grabbed in fat years.
  37. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 22 December 2015 12: 27 New
    +4
    All the words about the "consumer society" sound like a mockery of the majority of the country's population! What is a consumer society with such salaries and such prices ??? People are still harnessing unthinkable mortgage bondage, dying in three jobs.
    For some reason, the article does not specify for what reason, now we have such a difficult economic situation, such an education, why such a decline in morality and lack of determination! In my opinion, all this negativity comes from 90. It was then that the liberals established the cult of the "golden calf" and began to destroy culture, science, healthcare, and appropriate the achievements of the people of the once powerful nation and this process continues to this day. And all this "check for lice" is the achievement of twenty-five years of liberal rule in our country. We were stuck in these damned 90s and the fact that we escaped from them was just an illusion created by expensive oil.
    1. iouris
      iouris 22 December 2015 12: 49 New
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      Quote: Dimon-chik-79
      All the words about the "consumer society" sound like a mockery of the majority of the country's population!

      You are not right.
      A "consumer society" is a company in which a consumer has certain rights, in particular, the right to exchange goods with defects found during the warranty period for goods without defects, and the state has the right to establish mandatory requirements for potentially dangerous products.
      This, however, does not change the essence of capitalism. You can consume, not only producing, but also selling. Could not sell - you can’t consume. Not able to produce quality goods - disappear.
      1. Dimon-chik-79
        Dimon-chik-79 22 December 2015 15: 59 New
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        and what am I wrong?)))
  38. Riv
    Riv 22 December 2015 12: 35 New
    +1
    It's funny "Posted by Alexej". The Russian person did not have the Cyrillic alphabet to subscribe. On stake!
  39. Vadim
    Vadim 22 December 2015 12: 44 New
    +1
    In my opinion, both the article itself and the comments on it, our attempt to combine the truths that we lived 25 years ago and those realities that surround us now. I just as many considered and consider myself a patriot of Russia. With all the achievements of other states and civilizations, I understand that I can be realized at this stage in Russia. For better or worse, it doesn’t matter how to eat. However, if we want to succeed in today's difficult situation, we must honestly say: 1. Those cadres who have replaced part of the party nomenclature cannot imagine what to do, how and where to develop further. They actively oppose people with more free and progressive thinking, guided by the principle: no matter what happens.
    2. Our system of education in the Soviet years was imprisoned for "pulling" the underperforming and re-educating the "bad." A huge number of times the teachers paid to them. The result is that smart people will take care of themselves and those who do not succeed, while not gaining knowledge, implementation skills in life, etc., While “idiots” and “bad guys” by the end of their studies managed to reach a little decent level. They, in turn, possessing a fair amount of energy and lack of intellect, stupidly began to realize their desires and subsequently often began to lead clever people.
    3. The money distribution system is still determined by the official, he is the main in everything - business (although he is very far from practical activity), culture (he knows best what to watch, listen, read)
    sports, etc. etc. As a result, industry is not just not developing, it is being actively stifled. What kind of import substitution, if some unfortunate handles for pans are made in Turkey. Look around you 70% of the things and products that surround you are not made in Russia, and the remaining 30% are made using imported equipment. our machine tool building practically does not exist.
    4. Our controlling structures function to a greater extent as an apparatus of violence, rather than stimulation of certain processes. The method of collecting VAT is generally a miracle. Instead of value added, tax is levied on the sale. For example, all agricultural products are sold by the manufacturer without VAT, and the one who bought it already pays not from the difference between the purchased and sold, but from the entire sale price. So the evasion scheme appears, etc.
    There is much more to say, but we need to clearly understand that any prohibitions, whether it be mini skirts or music, or something else, only generate unhealthy interest. This has already passed. Blaming everyone and everyone for our problems is stupid and ridiculous. It is not necessary to expect that the government itself will understand what it does to do for our well-being, it will not understand if it is not worn, changed, not given its proposals.
    1. alexej123
      alexej123 22 December 2015 20: 46 New
      0
      In my opinion, the most true and complete conclusion about the situation of all. Thank.
  40. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 22 December 2015 13: 31 New
    +2
    Quote: Vadim
    any prohibitions, whether it be mini skirts or music, or something else, only generate unhealthy interest. It has already passed

    Does the lack of bans on miniskirts or music give rise only to healthy interest? What do you consider to be HEALTHY and HEALTHY interest in miniskirts. How to do so. which is in addition to interest in miniskirts. which in itself is natural for young people to provide an opportunity for a person to receive honest money for his honest work, and to receive on the forehead for dishonest work (of course, this is a metaphor). This is our problem, and miniskirts are a trifle.
  41. Oznob
    Oznob 22 December 2015 13: 33 New
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    Live to work. Communist spiritual tradition
    Work to live. Bourgeois spiritual tradition.
    Such a job, so as not to work and get a lot of money. Degradation.

    From a communist spiritual tradition, our country changed into a bourgeois one, passing through degradation. The damage from degradation has been considerable and we will reap the fruits of the collapse of the USSR for a long time. But! We are bourgeois formatted by communism, which in turn was formatted by Russian character. And therefore, "The goals are clear! The tasks are defined! For work, comrades!"
    Z.Y. I personally consider the current state of the country (building a civil society implicated in a frantic love for the Motherland / family / dumplings / ladies / other joys of life) very, very comfortable and interesting. Although it’s like a straw-mill, you need to work hard at three jobs in order to take out life in abundance for the family.
  42. prishelec
    prishelec 22 December 2015 13: 38 New
    -3
    The correct article! .. lousiness of some and on this site is often seen.
  43. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 22 December 2015 13: 41 New
    +1
    The best education in the world capable of making a brilliant scientist out of a village bully.
    Where is all this now?
    A country about 30 years old is deliberately debilitating and I can say that this process is super successful!
  44. colotun
    colotun 22 December 2015 13: 43 New
    +3
    As you know, the most effective lie is half-truth. The author of the article = switchman translates arrows very cleverly = found guilty where they are absent and tries to pass off minor flaws in society as root = the cause of all our failures
  45. Zeppelin ml.
    Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 14: 54 New
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    I do not quite understand the division into "then and now." A vanity fair has always existed - "To seem, not to be." Times have changed - show-offs have changed. Just don’t assure me that in some 1983 you couldn’t distinguish the representative of the merchant caste according to the attributes of wealth) The grotesque forms of “status” were preserved and increased: a used car bought on credit, a Chinese rolex for $ 100 on the wrist, an indispensable iPhone, a style broadcast loudly in the subway over the phone that "I left the car in the center, I’m going to a deal on MetE, stop the Japanese, I’ll come and sign the contract ..." I’m keeping silent about such a powerful resource for increasing self-esteem as a social network. Snobbery has always existed. He is eternal. It is outside the codes of builders of something there and other ideological patterns.
  46. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 22 December 2015 16: 22 New
    +2
    We all know that society in general does not affect the country's leadership in any way, there are not even mechanisms for such an influence, just a show. In general, the leadership of the country is separate, the society is separate, and why we now have to undergo some sort of “lice test” is completely not clear to me. The leadership itself led the country into the abyss, now let it pull it out by itself. If, of course, he wants them to have their own country, and not just a house in London. I definitely won’t help them when they did this he ... she didn’t ask my opinion.
  47. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 22 December 2015 16: 28 New
    +1
    Oh yes ... Short skirts, loose hair, bright colors of clothes irritated the brain, awakening animal instincts and not pious thoughts
    Not this author is better to write erotic stories))))))) on another site. Just some sort of hypocritical concern)))
    Yes, they simply distracted us from thoughts about the development of mankind with thoughts about sex.
    Yes, fortunately, they could not win secs, demography in the USSR still won especially in the late 80s. i.e. with the shortest skirts))))
  48. Infernal man
    Infernal man 23 December 2015 05: 53 New
    -1
    another article calling for humility and tolerance? Do you need to support the guarantor again? tolerate, starve, forgive everyone, etc.?
    The country is in difficult times, but GDP is no longer credible. For too long they had been waiting for a miracle from him, and things were still there. More precisely, it got worse. And his cabinet. And the king, as you know, makes a retinue.