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IVECO "Lynx" armored cars of the Russian army in Syria: Anatoly Serdyukov was right?

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IVECO "Lynx" armored cars of the Russian army in Syria: Anatoly Serdyukov was right?



In 2015, many have already begun to forget the recent epic with the adoption of IVECO LMV M65 armored cars, which received the Russian designation "Lynx". Last summer this car was demonstrated at the Army-2015 international military-technical forum. The “Lynx” show was perceived by many as the “farewell tours” of the brainchild of the Italian defense industry. But at the end of September there were reports that Russia delivered these same armored cars to Syria. There were suggestions that in this way we get rid of the machine we don’t need.

It turned out that everything was much more interesting: the Russian troops involved in the defense of the Khmeimim base began to use the "Lynxes", from where our combat aviation. These machines were even entrusted with such a responsible mission as escorting S-400 complexes that arrived in Syria. The personnel of the convoy with air defense vehicles and IVECO equipment went around all the TV channels of the world.




The lynx was entrusted to accompany the C-400. Photo: Photo MO RF

This “return” of “Rysey” caused a mixed reaction in the expert community. There were opinions that, say, Anatoly Serdyukov was right, who bought a batch of these armored vehicles, that there are no analogues of the LMV M65 in protection from the Russian army, therefore these armored vehicles were sent to a hot spot. Opponents are sure that Tigers of the latest versions would easily have coped with the tasks that they set for foreign cars.

In an interview with one of the military experts on this topic, another idea was voiced - to send the Kamaz and Ural production units that are now in the test room “Typhoons” there — it would be better not to find a testing ground.




The gigantic potential of domestic "Tigers" is currently being realized on the fields of exercises. Photo: MO RF

"In addition to military and political goals, the operation in Syria should be a kind of triumph for Russian weapons, - the interlocutor of "Messenger of Mordovia" noted, - and here we, in fact, advertise NATO equipment for free. Why do we need this? "




The machine gunner on the "Tigre" is also not the best way. Photo: MO RF

Even military experts point out that for some reason, the M65 sent to carry out this responsible mission are not equipped with protected armor with a machine gun turret, as, for example, in the Russian "Scorpion LSHA-B".





"Scorpion LSHA-B".
Or it could be a remote-controlled combat module on the roof, more and more often demonstrated at weapon exhibitions.




Remotely controlled modules on Russian armored vehicles are regularly displayed at weapon shows. Photo: Courage2004

But again, the fighter in this car is open to all snipers, bullets and shrapnel, and how much more can you step on the same rake?
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  1. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 19 December 2015 12: 58 New
    128
    Of course he is right! And Vasilyeva is right! Give them the heroes of the Russian Federation for their "merits" before the "revival" of the Russian army! And then we somehow missed this moment ..
    A country launching rockets into space buys armored cars for the army from the Italians? It's a shame...
    1. tomket
      tomket 19 December 2015 13: 02 New
      33
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      Give the Heroes of the Russian Federation for "merits" to

      Already given.
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 19 December 2015 13: 04 New
        15
        You do it .. don’t scare me, I’m nervous and my heart is weak ... sad
        1. kurs66
          kurs66 19 December 2015 13: 17 New
          46
          They gave Serdyukov, and then, it seems, they took the hero away when the hype rose ... He would have handed him the holy fuck @ kentiy, with a twist on the back ...
          1. Boos
            Boos 19 December 2015 14: 16 New
            12
            He deserved a cross, a wooden ...
            Quote: kurs66
            They gave Serdyukov, and then, it seems, they took the hero away when the hype rose ... He would have handed him the holy fuck @ kentiy, with a twist on the back ...
        2. mihasik
          mihasik 19 December 2015 13: 39 New
          +4
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          You do it .. don’t scare me, I’m nervous and my heart is weak ... sad

          And Professor Preobrazhensky for what?)
          1. Dr. Bormental
            Dr. Bormental 19 December 2015 13: 48 New
            +7
            Filipp Filippovich is all engaged in his doggie, not to me him, heartfelt crying
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          3. Sergey S.
            Sergey S. 19 December 2015 15: 41 New
            0
            Quote: mihasik
            And Professor Preobrazhensky for what?)

            So this is a watchdog specialist.
            Such people cannot be allowed into a cannon shot.
            They will tear off like a bobik and throw them out ...
        3. Dmitry_24rus
          Dmitry_24rus 19 December 2015 14: 19 New
          +2
          Serdyukov got a hero for 080808, for this reason he was pardoned ..
          1. Sergey S.
            Sergey S. 19 December 2015 15: 42 New
            +2
            Quote: Dmitry_24rus
            Serdyukov got a hero for 080808, for this reason he was pardoned ..

            So there was a namesake.
            But Taburetkin took advantage of this.
        4. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 19 December 2015 15: 47 New
          0
          And you should not be scared ... We must get used to the fact that in our GREAT COUNTRY rulers say one thing and do the other (I mean corruption). They should be told directly that the heroes are those who steal at least a billion ..
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          You do it .. don’t scare me, I’m nervous and my heart is weak ... sad
          1. aktanir
            aktanir 19 December 2015 16: 14 New
            +5
            the difference between a lynx and a tiger is leveled in Syria, where there is no snow and the road properties of the car are not so important
            1. Ratmir_Ryazan
              Ratmir_Ryazan 19 December 2015 18: 26 New
              +7
              What is the difference between a tiger and a trot? Nothing fundamentally ... Essentially the same machines ... On a landmine they will be torn to shreds, shooter, what’s there, consider the dead man, now in battle there is such a fire density that the sniper isn’t needed to be hit in the first seconds of battle ... You can look at the amers, they’ve lost a bunch of people like that, and we’ll take it from them ... All of these battle modules, of course it's cool, but what if the car is not wound up or hit in the engine, this electronics will work? It may make sense to make a simple tower with manual control on such jeeps as on the BTR-80 or at least under the PKT as MTLB ...
              1. homedition
                homedition 21 December 2015 11: 52 New
                0
                manual tower
                And two is better: one machine gun, and the other cannon! winked
            2. clidon
              clidon 19 December 2015 19: 24 New
              0
              And why do you think the Lynx is much less passable than the Tiger?
            3. Old old
              Old old 19 December 2015 23: 55 New
              +1
              the difference between a lynx and a tiger is leveled in Syria, where there is no snow and the road properties of the car are not so important

              And yet, spare parts for foreign cars in Bourgeois are easier to find than for Russian. And then you can give them to the Syrians.
        5. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 20 December 2015 02: 12 New
          +1
          You really choose! Or “nervous” or “weak heart”!
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      3. Kibalchish
        Kibalchish 19 December 2015 13: 36 New
        52
        I don’t understand at all, because of what such a fly was inflated? Well, these Lynxes travel to Syria, so what? If they are there, then it’s so necessary! Why out of the blue sensation do something? Some strange comparisons went with tigers. .
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 19 December 2015 14: 05 New
          29
          Quote: Kibalchish
          Well, these Lynxes travel to Syria, so what? If they are there, then it’s so necessary! Why out of the blue sensation do something?

          So there are also good old UAZ in the Syrian photo are present. Let us blind too from this sensation - "the Russian army is moving on rusty junk from the times of the USSR!"
          1. Genur
            Genur 19 December 2015 14: 51 New
            +3
            I AGREE

            The easiest way to show URA-PATRIOTISM ...
          2. barsik92090
            barsik92090 19 December 2015 14: 53 New
            13
            GAZ-69 is an unsurpassed car in terms of its survivability and maintainability in any conditions, but not for riders, based on personal experience.
            1. Ratmir_Ryazan
              Ratmir_Ryazan 19 December 2015 18: 29 New
              +1
              What is tenacious in it, can you tell? That a land mine, that just a bullet will destroy everyone who will move on it ...
          3. barsik92090
            barsik92090 19 December 2015 14: 53 New
            0
            GAZ-69 is an unsurpassed car in terms of its survivability and maintainability in any conditions, but not for riders, based on personal experience.
          4. Sergey S.
            Sergey S. 19 December 2015 15: 51 New
            11
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            So there are also good old UAZ in the Syrian photo are present. Let us blind too from this sensation - "the Russian army is moving on rusty junk from the times of the USSR!"

            I protest against the tone of the statement.
            To a certain extent, the GAZ-69 or UAZ-469, for all its simplicity, is the pinnacle of the automotive industry!
            Including reliability in particularly difficult conditions.
            And this is the main thing for a combat vehicle.
            1. cuzmin.mihail2013
              cuzmin.mihail2013 19 December 2015 23: 39 New
              +2
              And the legendary “Lorry” went through the war and until about the 60s worked on collective farms.
              1. Bayonet
                Bayonet 20 December 2015 08: 08 New
                -2
                Quote: cuzmin.mihail2013
                And the legendary “Lorry” went through the war and until about the 60s worked on collective farms.

                One and a half in the troops !!! fellow We will take the enemy not TTX, but survivability!
            2. midivan
              midivan 20 December 2015 06: 34 New
              +6
              Quote: Sergey S.
              I protest against the tone of the statement.
              To a certain extent, the GAZ-69 or UAZ-469, for all its simplicity, is the pinnacle of the automotive industry!
              Including reliability in particularly difficult conditions.
              And this is the main thing for a combat vehicle.

              the fact is that this top of reliability with its distributor (breaker distributor), armor wires and candles at the first unsuccessful move of a small puddle will provide you with all its reliability in the best case, a trip engine, a shielded ignition system on these machines I have not seen. of such machines there should be only a diesel engine and the simplest mechanical fuel pump, only Hola sensors. pressure and temperature of the internal combustion engine, with the bolt completely on the ecology (nor any USR), in-line aspirated (in extreme cases, a turbine and cooler), and release the UAZ already into history yes
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        3. SSR
          SSR 19 December 2015 14: 34 New
          12
          Quote: Kibalchish
          I don’t understand at all, because of what such a fly was inflated? Well, these Lynxes travel to Syria, so what? If they are there, then it’s so necessary! Why out of the blue sensation do something? Some strange comparisons went with tigers. .

          + and it was originally said that Iveco had good mine protection and the article ended with a comparison of machine guns on the roof .... But what about guns? And if you compare with others, then you need to compare all the parameters and mine protection including.
        4. Sergey S.
          Sergey S. 19 December 2015 15: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: Kibalchish
          I don’t understand at all, because of what such a fly was inflated? Well, these Lynxes travel to Syria, so what? If they are there, then it’s so necessary! Why out of the blue sensation do something? Some strange comparisons went with tigers. .

          I think it's in the climate.
          For armored vehicles is not a specialist.
          Who knows, are there tropical options?
          Apparently, I’m also interested in operating conditions in the mountains.

          So the serial "Tiger" there may not be very comfortable.
          But they really didn’t plan to actually fight, during the preparation of the plans ...
          1. self-propelled
            self-propelled 19 December 2015 17: 25 New
            0
            Quote: Sergey S.
            I think it's in the climate.

            -as one of the components. In the Russian winter, the “everlasting oneself” showed themselves in all its glory “(although there were cries, they say,“ the bumper was low, as it was removed - the cross-country ability almost dramatically improved ”, etc.).

            perhaps for a dry (non-dirty) climate the car is good (friction over the reservation will be left out of the conversation). So they decided to use the "overseas little animal (not in vain for these" animals "they rolled off a large pile of green candy wrappers)
          2. Terner38
            Terner38 19 December 2015 17: 38 New
            +6
            I completely agree. It's just that there is condition there and they put it in Syria.
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 20 December 2015 08: 40 New
              +1
              Quote: Terner38
              Just konditshen there is here and put in Syria.

              According to reviews of people who actually exploited the Lynx, the air conditioning in the car is very good, there are no complaints about the operation, it keeps cool cool. In the climate of Syria, the most it! hi
        5. self-propelled
          self-propelled 19 December 2015 16: 43 New
          0
          Quote: Kibalchish
          I don’t understand at all, because of what such a fly was inflated? Well, these Lynxes travel to Syria, so what?

          there were so many “broken copies” in the disputes for and against Lynx that “mother do not grieve”. and any mention of this pepelats, basically, causes more negative than positive (if I know, I myself am not very supportive of this unit). So the question arises - "Lynx" in Syria in trials or "do not mind"?
          1. nikpwolf
            nikpwolf 19 December 2015 18: 11 New
            0
            Quote: self-propelled
            So the question arises - "Lynx" in Syria in trials or "do not mind"?

            Yes, here, it seems to me, the question is not better, worse, or testing, it’s not a pity, just, with a favorable outcome for the company, they will leave the Syrians. Like a lot more.
        6. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 19 December 2015 18: 27 New
          +1
          That is, especially since these lynxes are in the army, so what now to throw them away or something ... Let them develop a resource in real business ... Again, mushrooms will be received again ... It will come in handy ...
      4. bender8282
        bender8282 20 December 2015 03: 18 New
        0
        there is an old Russian fun, guilty of imprisonment for planting ..
    2. Same lech
      Same lech 19 December 2015 13: 05 New
      10
      The Italians vote at the same time for the extension of sanctions against RUSSIA .... doubly a shame.
      Where we will take parts and accessories for these machines ???
      Maybe Serdyukov will say?
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 19 December 2015 13: 08 New
        15
        So the point is that to buy equipment from a potential enemy is to have a brain of a muzzle ..
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      3. beer-youk
        beer-youk 19 December 2015 13: 11 New
        35
        The process of disposing of unnecessary equipment has been launched. I doubt very much that they will be repaired and, moreover, taken back.
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        2. sssla
          sssla 19 December 2015 13: 31 New
          +6
          Quote: beer-youk
          The process of disposing of unnecessary equipment has been launched.

          Pralna d Fedor! )) What would you sell something unnecessary so first you need to buy something unnecessary !!!
        3. Ramzaj99
          Ramzaj99 19 December 2015 14: 30 New
          13
          Quote: beer-youk
          The process of disposing of unnecessary equipment has been launched. I doubt very much that they will be repaired and, moreover, taken back.

          I agree. In my opinion, everything is simple here. The Russian army travels on the Tigers, and the Lynxes already purchased under Serdyukov's cause to make rot rot in the warehouses is also stupid, that is, they fused them there, they will serve on the Russian base.
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        5. vorobey
          vorobey 19 December 2015 14: 31 New
          +6
          Quote: beer-youk
          The process of disposing of unnecessary equipment has been launched. I doubt very much that they will be repaired and, moreover, taken back.


          removed from the tongue .. plus .. good
      4. avt
        avt 19 December 2015 13: 19 New
        23
        Quote: The same Lech
        The Italians vote at the same time for the extension of sanctions against RUSSIA .... doubly a shame.

        Just woke up after a week of leargy ????? Have you heard the last calls from Italy? I recommend refreshing memory files - get interesting information.
        Quote: Vovochka15
        Well, this Iveko is rather weak for the Russian climate and off-road, and for Syria, I think, just right.

        Cars did, money paid, so what? To cut metal? There is no meter snow in Syria - let it be cut there. Well, yes, there is no snow, the soil is dense, even if there is rainfall, it will not spread to the center of the earth like on black soil, the wheels will catch on a solid one.
        “In addition to military and political goals, the operation in Syria should become a kind of triumph for Russian weapons,” said the source of the Vestnik of Mordovia, “and here we are essentially advertising NATO equipment for free.
        And what besides ,, Tiger ", which generally was ordered by the Arabs precisely under those conditions, can be put from what is in the series of his ??? ,, Bear" somewhere hibernated in the den, ,, Wolf "the same stocked up somewhere. ,, Typhenon "? Of the imported components in a single copy ..... Well, with this miracle with the Polish motor - “Scorpio” someone climbs without soap. There is no full BRDM receiver, there are police cars, of course better than old bobik and all kinds of jihad vehicles
        1. max702
          max702 19 December 2015 14: 00 New
          +3
          For the purposes in Syria, Iveco is quite suitable, no one is going to fight there, it is rumored to be stable to undermine, and this is somehow not the main threat, and indeed if they bought a cheap one, they should be used for spare parts, there should be no problems to Syria it will be easier than to Russia, so the solution is quite adequate, of course, from the point of view of marketing for ice (Syria, you can tell me that is a military advertising platform for the military-industrial complex), but now we don’t have fat ..
        2. IS-80
          IS-80 19 December 2015 14: 47 New
          -3
          Quote: avt
          Well, here's another miracle with a Polish motor - ,, Scorpio "someone climbs without soap. There is no full-fledged BRDM 2 receiver, there are police cars, of course, better than old bobik and all kinds of jihad mobility


          Do you have anything to offer besides Scorpio? And Scorpio is not a replacement or an analogue of the BRDM.
          1. avt
            avt 19 December 2015 15: 15 New
            +6
            Quote: IS-80
            Do you have anything to offer besides Scorpio?

            But it’s not difficult for you to re-read my comment and think - Where and when I OFFER ,, Scorpio "??? Generally, climb into the archive and look - and when and for miracles for ento. You will find - right away a link to the light of God for mavo shame . laughing I was in the forefront among those who were minus when I asked - What were going to storm it? Although the answer is quite clear - the budget.
            1. IS-80
              IS-80 19 December 2015 16: 33 New
              0
              Quote: avt
              But it’s not difficult for you to re-read my comment and think - Where and when I OFFER ,, Scorpio "??? Generally, climb into the archive and look - and when and for miracles for ento. You will find - right away a link to the light of God for mavo shame I was in the forefront among those who were minus when I asked, “What were they going to storm on it? Although the answer is quite clear to myself - the budget.”

              What is wrong with the car?
              1. max702
                max702 19 December 2015 19: 02 New
                +4
                Trash! Low-power bad passable, trash made on the knee! Half consisting of imported components .. Pepelats is an analogue of crafts of Euro-cab .. By and large, the troops need an updated BRDM-2 with an engine from the Tiger, without additional wheels, a torsion bar suspension, an updated shooting module (thermal imager, stabilization), embed side doors, and put armored glass to the driver and commander .. That's it! Do not need anything more, everything else is from the evil one (drank the budget).
                pc: The fighters in the Caucasus "Bardak" (after replacing the capricious and voracious engine from the seagull) were very appreciated and respected, because the car brought to mind all the diseases are known, but the reviews about the same "Tigers" are not very flattering, the car is new with its own sores and problems .. Ask any less experienced soldier what he would prefer to fight on the Tiger, lynx or updated BRDM? The answer will be unequivocal.
                1. IS-80
                  IS-80 20 December 2015 02: 42 New
                  0
                  Quote: max702
                  Trash! Low-power bad passable, trash made on the knee! Half consisting of imported components .. Pepelats is an analogue of crafts of Euro-cab .. By and large, the troops need an updated BRDM-2 with an engine from the Tiger, without additional wheels, a torsion bar suspension, an updated shooting module (thermal imager, stabilization), embed side doors, and put armored glass to the driver and commander .. That's it! Do not need anything more, everything else is from the evil one (drank the budget).
                  pc: The fighters in the Caucasus "Bardak" (after replacing the capricious and voracious engine from the seagull) were very appreciated and respected, because the car brought to mind all the diseases are known, but the reviews about the same "Tigers" are not very flattering, the car is new with its own sores and problems .. Ask any less experienced soldier what he would prefer to fight on the Tiger, lynx or updated BRDM? The answer will be unequivocal.

                  Do you now argue with anyone and what? Scorpio and BRDM are different in class cars.
      5. Tusv
        Tusv 19 December 2015 13: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: The same Lech
        The Italians vote at the same time for the extension of sanctions against RUSSIA.

        Do they have a choice? Hard NATO with Us. Maybe pity them? Lynx with Russian weapons and the Italian machine are two big differences
        1. adamas.k
          adamas.k 19 December 2015 15: 33 New
          +1
          in Italian, good air conditioners cost the most
      6. Altona
        Altona 19 December 2015 13: 34 New
        +3
        Quote: The same Lech
        Where we will take parts and accessories for these machines ???
        Maybe Serdyukov will say?

        -----------------
        Through third countries, as now, this trade has not gone anywhere, its decline is only due to the crisis ...
      7. VOLCHOXURAL
        VOLCHOXURAL 19 December 2015 14: 59 New
        0
        Quote: The same Lech
        The Italians vote at the same time for the extension of sanctions against RUSSIA .... doubly a shame.
        Where we will take parts and accessories for these machines ???
        Maybe Serdyukov will say?

        A version has recently sounded at the forum that maybe they were sent there so that they could be left there together with the old UAZs (left to the Syrians), for example, these Urals, who know motorists in the shape of the nose of the cab, will understand that these are long-used trucks.
      8. almost demobil
        almost demobil 19 December 2015 15: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: The same Lech
        The Italians vote at the same time for the extension of sanctions against RUSSIA .... doubly a shame.

        On the contrary, they are quite adequate, they proposed no longer to extend the sanctions, or at least to discuss the matter in a new way.
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      10. evge-malyshev
        evge-malyshev 19 December 2015 16: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: The same Lech
        Where we will take parts and accessories for these machines ???


        Probably in the same place where you work. Why do you love this adversary flag so much?
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 19 December 2015 16: 54 New
          +1
          Why do you love this adversary flag so much?


          Well, what are you ... tired of picking it out of my profile already ... constantly virulence to me and mischief.
        2. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 20 December 2015 11: 22 New
          0
          Quote: evge-malyshev
          Why do you love this adversary flag so much?

          The adversary flag comes out when using plugins that use proxies to bypass the lock or hide traffic
      11. SSR
        SSR 19 December 2015 16: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: The same Lech
        The Italians vote at the same time for the extension of sanctions against RUSSIA .... doubly a shame.
        Where we will take parts and accessories for these machines ???
        Maybe Serdyukov will say?

        Personally, I have a feeling that they need to pay extra for the extension of sanctions. Recently, sensors purchased sensors instead of imported ones, imported 80 euros, domestic 800 rubles + the segment to which Russians have grown very attracted over the past 15 years has become promising for launching here, only the “domestic” smartphone should move from China to Russia and become a competitor imported and so should one pull up the other, the domestic display? So you need to do domestic TV / monitor. Well approximately.
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 20 December 2015 22: 49 New
          0
          Quote: SSR
          But only a “domestic” smartphone should move from China to Russia and become a foreign competitor, and so one should pull up the other, a domestic display? So you need to do domestic TV / monitor

          Well, if you work for 10 yuan per month, then the products will be competitive. There is no point in making a kettle or smartphone if it is more expensive than an imported one. The same thing about the display - the same Samsung invests billions in R&D, slow down, from profit, maybe us companies invest as much?
      12. Vadim237
        Vadim237 19 December 2015 19: 19 New
        0
        We will do the details ourselves.
      13. Bayonet
        Bayonet 20 December 2015 08: 31 New
        0
        Quote: The same Lech
        The Italians vote at the same time for the extension of sanctions against RUSSIA.

        And at the same time, Italy blocked the automatic extension of EU sanctions against Russia.
    3. Forest
      Forest 19 December 2015 13: 10 New
      +5
      There is nothing shameful to buy the best abroad and create your own on the basis of this. The ancestor of the T-34 was an American tank, and the MiG-15 had an English engine.
      1. 4thParasinok
        4thParasinok 19 December 2015 13: 30 New
        +4
        Quote: Forest
        The ancestor of the T-34 was an American tank,

        except for the suspension, and even then redone from the Christie's tank there was nothing left. And the cat on KV, IS, T-52, T-44, the suspension was on torsion bars. KV and T-52 were adopted before the war and developed in another design bureau in St. Petersburg, without looking back to the west. And Christie’s tank was no different than the ability to ride on wheels, and was certainly not the best.
        1. Forest
          Forest 19 December 2015 14: 59 New
          0
          I did not write that the T-34 was a copy of Christie. Do not forget about the layout of the tanks - at 34-ki and American it was exactly the same. The BT-A-20-T-34 line just appeared on Christie, the BT-2 generally differed from the American only in the presence of a tower. T-52 - there wasn’t such a machine at all. In the project on HF and QMS a lot was taken from the British, there were developments based on Czech counterparts. If you developed everything yourself, then by the 40 years it would be good if you equip the army with T-26 analogues.
      2. sssla
        sssla 19 December 2015 13: 33 New
        +5
        Quote: Forest
        There is nothing shameful to buy the best abroad and create your own on the basis of this. The ancestor of the T-34 was an American tank, and the MiG-15 had an English engine.

        And the Chinese type of gunpowder came up with a light bulb Edison mattress and all patents for EVERYTHING they have in general !!! In the household store for soap 72% and a hemp rope ???
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 19 December 2015 14: 05 New
          +7
          a light bulb mattress edison

          Who invented the light bulb, the whole world knows
          The invention and implementation of various adversities.
          Edison finally did not invent a fig. From simply bringing the invention to sale. In this his genius
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 19 December 2015 15: 34 New
            +1
            Also, say that Marconi invented the radio! angry
        2. Forest
          Forest 19 December 2015 15: 00 New
          +4
          The fact that copying and not reinventing the bicycle twice from scratch is the best solution.
          1. Sergey S.
            Sergey S. 19 December 2015 16: 09 New
            +8
            Quote: Forest
            The fact that copying and not reinventing the bicycle twice from scratch is the best solution.

            There is a strange opinion that the technique is easy to copy.
            Complete nonsense.
            As a rule, the main thing. what they copy is the objective function.
            And they buy other people's samples, mainly to find out their real parameters. and be fooled by advertising data.
            Even stupid copying without a license includes the obligatory solution of the following tasks: gaps calculated by microns in friction pairs, etc. places, grades of materials and details of composition and heat treatment, applied welding, casting, running-in technologies ... used oils ...
            And you also need to consider what equipment these or those parts will be manufactured on, this also affects the design ...

            So, the Chrisi and T-34 tanks actually have nothing in common, except that when they did it, they knew how the first one was crawling.
            And about the MiG-15 even with an English engine there is nothing to remember here.
            Nanglam even having a good engine, such a plane could not be made.
            We just saved time.
            And after a while, the Mikulinsky motors already surpassed all the others ...

            Conclusion:
            A dumb ignoramus cannot copy a complex technical object.
            Copying is more difficult than personal creativity.
            Long live the SOVIET SCIENTISTS and ENGINEERS !!!
            1. Forest
              Forest 19 December 2015 23: 14 New
              0
              In general, copying is easier no matter what you say. Having a support base, much better machines are created than those that were sucked out of the finger. What are the Yak-15 and MiG-9. The British had their own vision for the development of aviation, and if their fighters were produced as actively as the F-86 and MiG-15, then the development of aviation would now be from England, and not from Germany.
            2. Bayonet
              Bayonet 20 December 2015 08: 59 New
              -1
              Quote: Sergey S.
              Long live the SOVIET SCIENTISTS and ENGINEERS !!!

              Stormy-prolonged-applause-rolling-ovation-all-get up ...
        3. AID.S
          AID.S 19 December 2015 19: 39 New
          0
          Quote: sssla
          And now what ??? In the household store for soap 72% and a hemp rope ???

          And these are our inventions? :-)
      3. GAF
        GAF 19 December 2015 17: 46 New
        0
        Quote: Forest
        The ancestor of the T-34 was an American tank,

        And Darwin said that the monkey was the ancestor of man. Everything is in their place.
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 20 December 2015 21: 17 New
          0
          The ancestor of the T-34 was an American tank,
          If you conspired with the Latin, then in vain, compare the drawings in profile, face and technical data.
          The T34 was a completely new word in tank building and became the prototype for most Western vehicles in the next 2 decades. hi
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    4. Dart2027
      Dart2027 19 December 2015 13: 11 New
      +3
      Not a specialist, but I read that they were bought precisely because they did not know how to make normal protection of armored vehicles against mines, and in order not to reinvent the wheel, they took what was already invented as a model.
      1. sssla
        sssla 19 December 2015 13: 36 New
        +5
        Quote: Dart2027
        Not a specialist, but I read that they were bought precisely because they did not know how to make normal protection of armored vehicles against mines, and in order not to reinvent the wheel, they took what was already invented as a model

        Our "bicycle" was, but there was no will (or this will was bought) to give a command for production!
      2. Sid.74
        Sid.74 19 December 2015 13: 56 New
        10
        I think that everything is not so simple here too, Lynx is easier to Tigra. And it is easier to roll over long distances due to its dimensions. Lighter weight in sand conditions allows you to move faster. On the issue that our machines are not ours, as far as I remember, these cars were supplied in the Kamaz.At the same time, the first vehicle sets were purchased at the expense of Kamaz funds. There is a feeling that they were acquired in order to evaluate production technologies, namely explosive materials. As German composite ceramic armor, in her Snov materials organity Dutch, German gearbox, the engine is American.
        Although the Tiger is better in all respects. It’s necessary to maintain its manufacturer. Although there is a strange thing, the protected vehicle “Lynx” is a modification of IVECO 65E19WM for the Russian army, in accordance with the requirements of the Russian Defense Ministry, Russian-made parts should be used in the design of the car. knows him. request
        And by the way, in the photo at the end of the column UAZ and probably without any armor at all.
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 19 December 2015 14: 20 New
          +3
          Quote: Sid.74
          And by the way, in the photo at the end of the column UAZ and probably without any armor at all.

          smile no one has any questions on it)
        2. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 20 December 2015 01: 40 New
          0
          For UAZ, an armor capsule was made (with sight glasses), which withstood hits from small arms.
    5. NEXUS
      NEXUS 19 December 2015 13: 28 New
      +6
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      A country launching rockets into space buys armored cars for the army from the Italians? It's a shame...

      In the presence of TIGERS, SCORPIONS, and even WATERS, we bought Lynx ... the question is, why? Or do we have so much money as mattresses? And being Serdyukov in a leading position at the moment is an insult to both our military and for the whole country as a whole.
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 19 December 2015 13: 44 New
        +4
        hi I am still surprised at his transcendent arrogance ... half of the country is ready to hang him in the forest on an aspen, and he is not embarrassed by leading posts (now something like in helicopter construction). No conscience, nothing ..
        P.S. I won’t be surprised that as he dies, in his honor they will call some street in Moscow ..
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 19 December 2015 15: 46 New
          +1
          Hello, Ivan.
          I mean, Serdyukov, have no conscience? What, you want to say that he among the boys rams confused? So, I, YOU, say no. And, that, he is not in his circle, behaves, as he conducts, so, not his fault. Habit, you know. bully
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      3. Extraneous
        Extraneous 19 December 2015 14: 19 New
        +5
        All those who criticize Serdyukov do not bother to think about the simple fact that Putin for some reason did not put him in prison, did not expel him from the civil service, but put him in a new responsible position in a strategically important sector.
        Serdyukov clearly completed the task assigned to him and is now doing another.
        Well, what was his task - think at your leisure.
        1. Wheel
          Wheel 19 December 2015 14: 40 New
          +2
          Quote: Stranger
          For some reason, Putin did not put him in prison, did not expel him from the civil service, but put him in a new responsible position in a strategically important sector.

          Iron rule: We don’t surrender ours!
        2. An64
          An64 19 December 2015 14: 44 New
          +1
          All critics of Serdyukov do not think about the fact that the latest armament is the result of the GPV adopted under him, the material condition of the military / military is the result of his increase in money allowance (after that he has never increased), the solution to the housing problem is his result.
          To whitewash him, of course, is not worth it and there is nothing to love him. He simply could not stand the military in uniform. But do not forget what has been done.
          And now - the main focus of PR. At the same time, “Canopus” fell, “Barguzin” will be a few years later (if there is), they flew to military operations as at a training ground ... Oh, and the form is new, as in a normal African country !!!
          1. Dr. Bormental
            Dr. Bormental 19 December 2015 15: 44 New
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            I worked as a surgeon in 442 District Military Clinical Hospital. This hospital is located on Suvorovsky Prospekt in St. Petersburg. (this is the center of the city, near Smolny). He, for thought, was designed for 1200 beds. It was founded in 1835 by decree of Nicholas I. and was ruined by decree of a stool. Can you imagine what a district hospital is? It's like a Burdenko hospital in Moscow. And after that, you say "you shouldn’t whitewash him"? On the conscience of this city on the life of servicemen, military pensioners and members of their families.
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        3. Genur
          Genur 19 December 2015 14: 58 New
          0
          Well, what was his task?

          Find a scapegoat?
        4. Aleksandr1959
          Aleksandr1959 19 December 2015 21: 59 New
          +1
          All those who criticize Serdyukov do not bother to think about the simple fact that Putin for some reason did not put him in prison, did not expel him from the civil service, but put him in a new responsible position in a strategically important sector

          I note that Serdyukov is not the only one to fill up his plot and moved horizontally, with a slight decrease. But he didn’t fall out of the cage. And what kind of "social elevators" can we talk about here?
        5. KaPToC
          KaPToC 19 December 2015 22: 26 New
          +1
          For all-companions, this is too complex a concept.
        6. Old old
          Old old 20 December 2015 00: 07 New
          +1
          All those who criticize Serdyukov do not bother to think about the simple fact that Putin for some reason did not put him in prison, did not expel him from the civil service, but put him in a new responsible position in a strategically important sector.

          There are always different answers to such questions. For example, the fact that Serdyukov’s brother-in-law and climbing on an Internet can find out whose exactly. Didn’t you think of such an option?
      4. Aleksandr1959
        Aleksandr1959 19 December 2015 21: 56 New
        +2
        When Serdyukov bought a lot of imported goods, not only cars. We have an instrument-making plant, under Serdyukov, he sharply lost orders from the Armed Forces. Now everything is being restored. The Chairman of the Board of Directors, a military man himself in the past, speaks very sharply about the period of "Serdyukovism." And all attempts to justify Serdyukov, if you notice, come down to different versions. But the main one, such as the “mishandled Cossack” in the Russian Ministry of Defense, is there to restore order among the thoroughly corrupt or lazy military. why he called on the Amazon team. Only now after it they are raking in tons.
    6. Cherdak
      Cherdak 19 December 2015 13: 34 New
      +3
      Not everything is so obvious.
      1. "Together with Voskresensky and other members of his group Korolev
      sent a detailed memo to the government on the need for
      comprehensive tests of captured rocket technology captured after the war in
      Germany. Korolev believed that without this designing your own rockets
      take more time and cost much more
      because you have to re-
      invent already invented. Korolev also pointed out that the main group
      German rocket specialists and all their developments are in the hands of
      The United States of America, and the United States thanks to this can quickly go forward.
      The arguments were compelling - after all, Germany was undeniably a leading rocket
      power and her achievements should be completely adopted in order to move on
      "

      2. On August 16, 1966, a general agreement was signed in Moscow between the Italian company Fiat and the Soviet Vneshtorg on scientific and technical cooperation in the development of passenger cars. Within its framework, the project for the construction of an automobile plant on the territory of the USSR was approved.
      As a prototype for the "norm" was immediately identified Fiat 124who received the title "Car of the Year" in 1967.
    7. lukke
      lukke 19 December 2015 13: 46 New
      15
      What is the article about? There are no protected turrets on the Lynx either - if this was not in those tasks this will not be on the product. What do we all wonder why the Lynx in Syria? Make a journalistic question and they will answer you that they can. There are a lot of options: taking into account the fact that Lynxes for the RF Armed Forces are not produced in Russia in Syria - it is quite possible they will remain there until the wheels wear out. Option 2. The units involved in the protection of complexes S-400, etc. Lynxes are standing on the balance sheet (well, they got it at one time) and so they came with what they have. Or we in the Army have such a huge choice with a warrior like today I’ll go to battle on a black MiG, and tomorrow give me please Su red, because he is more in line with my mood.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 20 December 2015 09: 06 New
        0
        Quote: lukke
        There are no protected turrets on the Lynxes,

        Protection is, bolted. If not installed, then this is a question for the operators.
        (cry)
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    9. Alekseev
      Alekseev 19 December 2015 13: 47 New
      11
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      Of course he is right! And Vasilyeva is right!

      Exaggeration of the topic of armored vehicles can lead "some civilians" to the idea that these vehicles are the basis of the armament of the SV.
      They say about some global difference in security smile , forgetting about the fact that even tanks, the most protected combat vehicles are transformed when exposed to modern means of destruction.
      Fundamentally there is no difference that accompanies the S-400 launcher - BTR-40 or Iveco, or Tiger, or BTR-80.
      Here is a huge difference between the S-75 and S-300. That's where the main importance, and on what the priests carry it is important, but again.
      I’m not saying that armored cars are not needed or important at all.
      There is a need for buttons for soldiers.
      Just between them, modern models of these machines, there is no fundamental difference. All of them are intended not for the conduct of the main types of combat, but for transportation in / sl.
      You need to choose one unified model range, the most effective (quality-price) and, necessarily, made in Russia.
      For this, the GABTU served. I don’t know if they have covered him now. Replaced the complex work of strong-willed decisions Perdyuk.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 19 December 2015 14: 01 New
        +7
        The point is that now we go to Lynx, that in the nineties we were ordered to abandon the Soviet idea and imposed the American one. But the Soviet idea was simple - instead of the NATO Hammers and the like, the car (now Oshkosh, a little earlier than Hamvi, and the Italians with the Italians) went by armored personnel carriers. And therefore, they had a serious advantage over the NATO in cross-country ability, armament and armor - even the current Oshkosh does not fit anything larger than Browning M2 - and the BTR-80 has a regular KPVT.
        1. Forest
          Forest 19 December 2015 15: 04 New
          +3
          Since Humvey never occupied the tactical niche of an armored personnel carrier, it’s with some fright that a machine with very thin armor was recorded in a niche of a light infantry fighting vehicle.
    10. fox21h
      fox21h 19 December 2015 15: 12 New
      +1
      IVECO "Lynx" armored cars of the Russian army in Syria: Anatoly Serdyukov was right?

      In my opinion, we just use what is, the more we will replace them with the Tigers, and for the current place they are just right, what was it in vain that they bought it?
    11. g1v2
      g1v2 19 December 2015 15: 40 New
      -1
      Bah, again 25. laughing It seems to everyone who has brains to have understood for a long time that it was the reform of the stool that created the army that we saw last year and are now seeing in Syria. Almost all of the okr began under him. And many ships were laid down precisely under him, but the mass media drove a fairy tale about the terrible villain Taburetkin and everyone liked it so much that it completely turned off logic and common sense. Rather, they are ready to believe that Shoigu created an army out of nothing in 2 years, and Serdyukov released his GDP for a bribe, rather than admit that the military reform was carried out well. fool And by the way, the Chinese are already talking about repeating it at home. wink Well, okay - everything has been said for a long time, and to whom it does not reach - God bless them.
      Well, experts also told everyone about Lynx that they began to produce it because the tiger did not meet the requirements of mine protection, and did not want to redo its gas.
      So for the time being in Syria, the Lynx is precisely the best of what we have, and it was created for such a climate in my opinion. I suspect that next year they will begin to supply the new Scorpio from the Zashchita corporation with troops. However, the urapatriots will immediately give cause for frustration - there is a Polish engine, which will be produced under our license. soldier
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 19 December 2015 17: 42 New
        +3
        Quote: g1v2
        Bah, again 25. It seems that everyone who has brains has long understood that it was the reform of the stool that created the army that we saw last year and are now seeing in Syria.

        A very incompetent and harmful attempt at hat-making.
        Those who have brains have long understood that many admirers of borovka do not.
        They, they say, something there "saw last year." wassat
        Those whose brains are on their side for some reason think that there were fierce battles in the Crimea. Ah, wasn’t it? But where does the conclusion about the effectiveness of the army come from?
        In Syria, in conditions of almost complete absence of air defense gangs work roughly two regiments. Collected from all warheads. And how many regiments should be in Russia?
        In the USSR, for example, there were two and a half hundred, in Russia there were more than a hundred before the “reforms”. And Tu-22m gangs in Afghanistan bombed even more beautifully than in Syria, only then it was not filmed.
        Or admirers of Perdyukov believe that paying decent money and having combat-ready units (a few) is reform?
        Or do you think that this miracle introduced some radical amendments to the R&D plan? Or imagined that an incompetent furniture maker initiated the development of new weapons? Completeness ... He is the initiator of sales, not development.
        The work is still a sea, and Serdyukov carried out the upcoming events in the Armed Forces like an elephant in a china shop. They therefore trampled him, and did not plant him because Vasilyeva received UDO. Its people, however.
        Our army has not been seriously tested anywhere else.
        The only thing we know for sure is that there are few constant-readiness units and there are still up to half of the conscripts who have not served even a year and who, by definition, cannot be masters of their craft.
        Work - not a plowed field, to build an army - not to watch TV. But hats do not need to be thrown.
        Now the personnel is not enough. There will not be enough hats. yes
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 19 December 2015 20: 46 New
          +6
          The difference is seen by everyone who can compare. What does the army look like, how is it equipped, what salaries were and have become, how they relate to a soldier. What officers were and what they became. The guys from the 22nd brigade told me that they had never seen their commander sober before. And then even he was forced to physically surrender. And if you don’t surrender, you won’t get part of the sn. lol That army and this one are completely different armies and it is very felt. IN GENERAL I ALL ALREADY SPEAKED BEFORE THIS REASON AND REPEAT Laziness. Who cares - re-read my comments on this topic a month ago.
    12. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 19 December 2015 15: 40 New
      0
      From and guessed, cars. overseas, for frost garbage, garbage, and for Syria, a twin sister just right!
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 20 December 2015 09: 13 New
        0
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        From and guessed, cars. overseas, for frost garbage-garbage

        I heard two different opinions on the heater, one person said that it was warm, the other that when driving from Moscow at a temperature of -15 -20 degrees it was uncomfortable in the car. Maybe, of course, something was incorrectly adjusted, but a negative statement is present. At the same time, it was noted that the car starts up regularly at -30.
    13. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 19 December 2015 15: 42 New
      +3
      IVECO "Lynx" armored cars of the Russian army in Syria: Anatoly Serdyukov was right?
    14. Sweles
      Sweles 19 December 2015 18: 18 New
      0
      IVECO "Lynx" armored cars of the Russian army in Syria: Anatoly Serdyukov was right?


      What is the right stool? what kind of stupid questions, who benefits from whitewashing this worthless Minister of Defense, in whom other people's equipment was purchased and his own was not purchased? The one who barely rebounded from litigation trading in military property and property? The one at which military schools were closed, and the General Staff Academy was turned into an abandoned house with ghosts? The one who corrupted his subordinates by his deeds, so that the bill went to hundreds of millions? Putin is a mountain for his people, doesn’t abandon and attaches, so that you would always be at hand if you again need to break something up and that they again begin to launder a black male?
    15. svp67
      svp67 19 December 2015 18: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      It's a shame...

      It's quite normal. Getting familiar with other people's developments is always useful. And the fact that they were bought was more of a political decision, as well as with the Mistrals.
      Shame in another. The fact that we offer for sale that which we do not put on our military equipment is the same remote weapon module. Our army should receive the most effective weapons, which simply must save the lives of our children.
    16. solkhat
      solkhat 19 December 2015 20: 19 New
      0
      That's a hundred ++++++++++++++++. It’s a shame!
    17. Sweles
      Sweles 19 December 2015 23: 38 New
      -1
      Well and most importantly, you need to show YOUR equipment abroad, and demonstrate foreign, you need to promote and show yours, but what happens? We advertise iveka.
    18. Wooster
      Wooster 20 December 2015 01: 53 New
      0
      Already "awarded". Serdyuchka now "runs" henna, which is engaged in the "Plato" system. Have you heard about such a miracle?
    19. papas-57
      papas-57 20 December 2015 15: 54 New
      0
      '' Of course he is right! And Vasilyeva is right! Give them the heroes of the Russian Federation for their "merits" before the "revival" of the Russian army! '' And appoint him again the Minister of Defense, maybe he will reform and purchase something else for the good of Russia.
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  2. taseka
    taseka 19 December 2015 13: 01 New
    +2
    There is just a “running-in” of various modifications in combat conditions, in a hot climate.
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 19 December 2015 13: 07 New
      +1
      Or it could be a remote-controlled combat module on the roof, more and more often demonstrated at weapon exhibitions.
      It’s just that no one has yet confirmed what to buy for the army in a specific quantity. Break in a bunch of models that offer and decide whether you need a module.
  3. little girl15
    little girl15 19 December 2015 13: 01 New
    +5
    Well, this Iveko is rather weak for the Russian climate and off-road, and for Syria, I think, just right.
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 19 December 2015 13: 04 New
    +2
    So I did not understand, does the author justify Serdyukov, or does he suggest testing other special vehicles in Syria? But rather both.
    1. tomket
      tomket 19 December 2015 13: 06 New
      11
      Quote: rotmistr60
      author justifies Serdyukov

      Maybe the author suggests testing Serdyukov in Syria?
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 19 December 2015 13: 16 New
        +1
        With our positive results, it was still not enough to ruin everything.
      2. Pirogov
        Pirogov 19 December 2015 14: 05 New
        +3
        Serdyukov in Syria is fair!
  5. ALX
    ALX 19 December 2015 13: 05 New
    +2
    Sent to the scrap))
  6. Wiruz
    Wiruz 19 December 2015 13: 06 New
    +2
    I may not understand something, but our good old Tiger has already left its chtoli?
    1. clidon
      clidon 19 December 2015 13: 22 New
      +7
      Good old Tiger does not have such a mine defense. And in a guerrilla war, a mine is one of the main dangers.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 19 December 2015 14: 04 New
        +1
        By the way, what happened to the Bear? After all, he was just one of the champions in mine protection ... And armor is not from the weak. Where did he go?
        1. clidon
          clidon 19 December 2015 16: 25 New
          0
          "Bear" MVD order. Yes, and so far from the prototypes did not get out.
  7. deputy ___ watered
    deputy ___ watered 19 December 2015 13: 06 New
    +5
    Are you sure that all the equipment will be returned to the Russian Federation after the operation. I suspect that some of the equipment will be transferred to the Syrians in one way or another.
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 19 December 2015 14: 12 New
      +1
      Yes, not part, but they will leave everything. Besides maybe 400, unless Assad is thrown off!
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 December 2015 13: 07 New
    11
    Oh well, what are we talking about? Were these armored cars purchased? There were. They don’t walk in the snow, they don’t start in winter - there are no snow or frost in Syria. What about them, throw it out, or something. Attached to the air defense. And sent to Syria. And what does Serdyukov have to do with it? I do not like him a single gram, but I must be fairly judged.
    1. Monos
      Monos 19 December 2015 13: 25 New
      +8
      I agree. Why dissolve snot? Do you have cars? There is. Should I use them? It is necessary. So they found them the best use. Well, not in the boxes to bury them. And IVECO is not a bad company.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 20 December 2015 09: 18 New
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      They don’t walk in the snow, they don’t start in winter

      At minus 30 they start up normally, nothing happens at the driver’s handshake.
      Iveco LMV could not stand the first tests on snowy roads and almost instantly got stuck in the snow, while the Russian military SUV Tiger almost immediately “ran away” to the finish of the site. But even then, specialists from KAMAZ did not dare to criticize the car and decided that the reason for everything was the too heavy bumper without protection at the pallet. In the next modification, the Lynx has already got rid of this defect. But interestingly, there was no more testing and comparison of the two cars. smile
  9. nachtRitter
    nachtRitter 19 December 2015 13: 08 New
    +1
    IMHO: combine the development of a resource to write off the tests of individual nodes, the behavior of units in the difficult conditions of Syria. And we don’t know the stuffing of the car.
  10. kapitan92
    kapitan92 19 December 2015 13: 14 New
    +9
    Quote: The same Lech
    The Italians vote at the same time for the extension of sanctions against RUSSIA .... doubly a shame.
    Where we will take parts and accessories for these machines ???
    Maybe Serdyukov will say?

    Serdyukov will not say! Serdyukov has a new position at the Russian Technologies Corporation. A new feeding trough ??? I won’t be surprised if Vasilyeva soon becomes his deputy.
  11. Alekseits
    Alekseits 19 December 2015 13: 15 New
    +2
    Quote: Vovochka15
    Well, this Iveko is rather weak for the Russian climate and off-road, and for Syria, I think, just right.

    yes
  12. Stinger
    Stinger 19 December 2015 13: 17 New
    +5
    Was Anatoly Serdyukov right?
    Regarding kickbacks, he is absolutely right. Because in armored vehicles a stool is like a pig in oranges.
  13. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 19 December 2015 13: 17 New
    +3
    There were a lot of conversations regarding these armored vehicles. Their main drawback is not an important launch in cold weather. But at minus 30, if you remember correctly, you simply can’t start them. And tigers start up like any Russian equipment. (Of course with techniques) These are heat-loving cars. also get stuck in the snow. And what else should they do? Of course, it is better to exploit them where it is warm and there is no snow!
    1. Forest
      Forest 19 December 2015 15: 07 New
      0
      The cars of the first batch started up poorly, before the purchases, as were not specialized. Then the Italians modernized them, and it was this version that was released in Voronezh. And frosts in -30 now still need to be found - December, and outside the window + 6.
  14. sober
    sober 19 December 2015 13: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: beer-youk
    The process of disposing of unnecessary equipment has been launched. I doubt very much that they will be repaired and, moreover, taken back.


    and they’ll get lucky !!!!!!!
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 19 December 2015 14: 19 New
      +1
      Good Well, Oops!
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 19 December 2015 15: 52 New
        -4
        My wife has a similar tongue



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  15. chikenous59
    chikenous59 19 December 2015 13: 25 New
    +3
    Well, they mentioned Serdyukov again. Now again in the article there will be 300 comments from people in whom one place begins to burn with a jet flame. Sorry if I offended someone with the truth)) The fact that Serdyukov is a thief is probably true, but he disguised the army’s vile swamp and made the army move!
    I say it firsthand
  16. chikenous59
    chikenous59 19 December 2015 13: 30 New
    +1
    Quote: Dr. Bormental
    So the point is that to buy equipment from a potential enemy is to have a brain of a muzzle ..

    We bought the equipment for study, to develop a technology by which we could assemble our own cars.
    And you all scream as if we bought them in tens of thousands!
    As small children with foam at the mouth, at the mention of Serdyukov, yell, stamp with your feet.
    It’s strange by your logic that the Chinese president and defense minister were not burned at the stake because China is extracting technology from other states to develop its own army. And the fact that we legally borrowed Italian technology is a crime at once. Think of the head, and not tear the points in the comments.
  17. onix757
    onix757 19 December 2015 13: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: chikenous59
    We bought the equipment for study, to develop a technology by which we could assemble our own cars.

    Well, what is the exhaust output?
    1. Forest
      Forest 19 December 2015 15: 12 New
      -1
      New generation metal-ceramic armor, new suspension systems, modern mine protection systems. The same Boomerang is built with an eye on Boxer and VBCI, which they purchased.
      1. Vulkan raven
        Vulkan raven 19 December 2015 15: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: Forest
        Metal-ceramic armor of a new generation

        Its development was and is.

        Quote: Forest
        new suspension systems

        Also nothing new.

        Quote: Forest
        , modern systems of mine protection.

        And here without revelations.

        Quote: Forest
        The same Boomerang is built with an eye on Boxer and VBCI, which they bought.

        Boxer and VBCI did not purchase. We bought a chassis VBCI, for the export Atom from UVZ - naturally, commercial competitors from the GAZ Group to the car were not allowed.
        1. Forest
          Forest 19 December 2015 23: 09 New
          -2
          Their development of cermets is good, but foreign developments have been included. So is the suspension. We have never encountered mine protection anywhere before, so talk about at least some parity at 2008-2010. compared to the West, which by this time the MRAP had already riveted more than a thousand - stupid. Boxer purchased in 2006, if not mistaken. French / Italian equipment was tested not by specialists specifically at UVZ, but in Kubinka, and the results were hardly given to only one manufacturer.
          1. Vulkan raven
            Vulkan raven 20 December 2015 11: 08 New
            0
            Quote: Forest
            Its metalwork well developed

            They are many times superior to Western achievements.



            Quote: Forest
            but foreign developments have included

            They did not include and did not consider (AZ Ural) - those who did not have access to domestic developments (KAMAZ) considered. You will compare the prototypes of the Typhoon of this and another factory, when Kamaz recklessly put Israeli ceramics.

            Quote: Forest
            Similarly, on the suspension.

            Primitive lever suspension Spring Lynx did not tell us anything new, believe me. In those years, the task was to create a smart, controlled suspension, and it was successfully solved in an experimental manner (MSTU and KB Volgograd and Kovrov). But in the AZ Ural series, he already put the Belarusian pendants, and the Kamaz - the Irish.

            Quote: Forest
            Mine protection we have never met before

            Theoretically and practically in the same research institute for research and development, Bear at the beginning of the nine years has gained a great deal of experience.

            Quote: Forest
            so to speak about at least some parity on 2008-2010. in comparison with the West, which by this time the MRAP has not riveted more than one thousand - is stupid.

            It is foolish to extol the Lynx as a kind of light of truth.

            Quote: Forest
            Boxer purchased in 2006, if not mistaken.

            You're wrong, there were only rumors in the media.

            Quote: Forest
            The French / Italian equipment was not tested by the UVZ specialists, but by Kubinka, and the results were hardly given to only one manufacturer.

            You are now talking about renting Kentauro and Freccia, and the Atom project was specifically the UVZ export commercial project, Renault Trucks Difenz bought the VBCI chassis (under which they made their hull), no one could allow or compete from the GAZ Group.
  18. Teplohod
    Teplohod 19 December 2015 13: 34 New
    -1
    "and here we, in fact, advertise NATO equipment for free."
    I don’t know what about the advertising of this or that weapon on the fields of Syria, for me it is more important that it copes with the tasks set and saves the lives of our citizens.
    If you try to reason logically, then Serdyukov was not guilty of a crime, as far as I remember, was recognized and he does not seem to have a criminal record. Therefore, it is white and fluffy, and everything else is our speculation and subjective opinion about it, previously heated by the media. It’s just that he probably didn’t share something there with someone, he crossed the road for someone, and maybe he made a mistake in the service with whom he doesn’t happen. The one who does not work is not mistaken.
    It seems logical, but still can not believe it :)
  19. chikenous59
    chikenous59 19 December 2015 13: 34 New
    0
    Quote: onix757
    Quote: chikenous59
    We bought the equipment for study, to develop a technology by which we could assemble our own cars.

    Well, what is the exhaust output?

    Have you seen how many new models of armored vehicles rolled off the assembly line since that time? By the level of security and comfort, our cars are not inferior to the NATO ones. Foreign technologies are bearing fruit in combination with the genius of the Russian designer.
    Take it as an example if it makes it easier for you to make sense of Samsung's experience.
    A vivid example of the usefulness of theft or the acquisition of technology!
    What is the result? Samsung in a short time caught up with Apple in technology. Yes, it is inferior in some ways, but the leap that has occurred is very impressive so much that the Americans have banned the sale of Samsung in their own country.))
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 19 December 2015 13: 42 New
      +3
      The armored car is good but not very suitable for the difficult weather conditions of Russia, but it has good resistance to undermining. But in Syria, where there are mostly stony hard soils and a mine war, it will be to the place in general, if Syria wants it and with appropriate payment, it should be possible to go to the country and put and in exchange for our army to acquire new domestic Tigers.
    2. onix757
      onix757 19 December 2015 13: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: chikenous59
      Have you seen how many new models of armored vehicles rolled off the assembly line since that time?

      Unfortunately I have not seen. If you tell, I will be grateful
    3. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 19 December 2015 14: 01 New
      +5
      Quote: chikenous59
      Have you seen how many new models of armored vehicles rolled off the assembly line since that time? By the level of security and comfort, our cars are not inferior to the NATO ones. Foreign technologies are bearing fruit in combination with the genius of the Russian designer.

      But do not you think that to study the technology do not need to buy 600 cars .. repeat
      After all, to appreciate the soup, you don’t have to eat the whole pan - a couple of spoons is enough .. wink
      1. Extraneous
        Extraneous 19 December 2015 14: 42 New
        +1
        It is likely that the Italians sold them to Russia only on the terms of the supply of a large batch. This is NATO - which means the supply of military equipment there under the control of the relevant structures.
        Moreover, given the collapse of the economy for that period and the planned action in Syria (I think everyone understands that this operation was planned for a long time. Syria has too obvious strategic significance for Russia) the purchase of a batch of ready-made armored cars made it possible to close the existing gap in the technical support of the aircraft. The construction of their samples, as we see, is quite difficult and in large quantities they can saturate the needs of the army not soon.
        In addition to the Syrian theater, Russia also has an Asian theater, where the cross in the snow of Siberia is also not very important.
        So, in my humble understanding, a very practical step was taken by the Moscow Region.
  20. Egor123
    Egor123 19 December 2015 13: 43 New
    -4
    Yes, it would be better to make more of our Scorpions and send them there than to use armored cars from some Italy ...
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 19 December 2015 13: 45 New
      +4
      Quote: Egor123
      Yes, it would be better to make more of our Scorpions and send them there than to use armored cars from some Italy ...

      Something tells me that the Lynxes in Syria will remain and will not come back. Considering that our bases in Syria are not temporary (which is already clear to everyone).
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 20 December 2015 09: 26 New
        0
        Quote: NEXUS
        . Given the fact that our bases in Syria are not temporary (which is already clear to everyone).

        But the President thinks differently:
        “Yes, I don’t know at all whether we need a base there or not,” Putin said.
        “After all, what is a base? Base - this infrastructure is quite substantial, you need to invest money there. After all, how are things today? Our aviation is there, there are temporary modules for food, for rest. We collected it in two days, loaded it - and that’s all, and already at our airfields. And the base is a completely different story, ”said Vladimir Putin, saying that he has no confidence that Russia needs a military base in Syria. smile hi
        1. IS-80
          IS-80 20 December 2015 12: 21 New
          -1
          Quote: Bayonet
          But the President thinks differently:

          laughing
          I also imagined an interview when our paratroopers landed on the beaches of Florida and California, and NATO forces in Europe are getting in boilers.
          “Yes, I don’t know at all whether we need full-fledged military operations in the United States or not,” Putin said.
          “After all, what is full-fledged combat? Full-fledged hostilities - this infrastructure is quite substantial, logistics, large-scale operations involving all military branches, money must be invested there. After all, how are things today? There is our aviation, there are paratroopers. We collected them in two days, loaded them - and that’s all, and already at our airfields. A full-fledged military operation is a completely different story, ”said Vladimir Putin, saying that he has no confidence that Russia needs large-scale military operations in the United States.
  21. chikenous59
    chikenous59 19 December 2015 13: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: Egor123
    Yes, it would be better to make more of our Scorpions and send them there than to use armored cars from some Italy ...

    Why spend a lot of money on creating new cars to give them to Syria for free when there are ready-made cars of good security? The budget is not rubber.
    And the fact that you are for everything Russian, I do not believe. Because your socks are made in China, a razor in Germany, and an American-made PC assembled in China. Why are you not using Russian sir? There are no our analogues?
    1. Egor123
      Egor123 19 December 2015 14: 09 New
      0
      No, well, I would understand them if they were purchased not from Italy, but from China or Belarus, for example, and even if they are enemies in the USA, but they have very good equipment.
      And about my socks - their homeland is Belarus, but I don’t use a razor because of my age.
  22. little girl15
    little girl15 19 December 2015 13: 47 New
    +2
    Quote: Dr. Bormental
    So the point is that to buy equipment from a potential enemy is to have a brain of a muzzle ..

    You shouldn’t do so. You need to buy single copies and study them. But do not blindly copy them (as China does).
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 19 December 2015 13: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: Vovochka15
      Buy single copies and study them

      Voooot! Single! To study! And not for fighting.
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      1. novobranets
        novobranets 19 December 2015 14: 07 New
        0
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        And not for fighting.

        Voooot! And what is the best training ground for studying? ... That's right, a real theater. hi
  23. chikenous59
    chikenous59 19 December 2015 13: 52 New
    -2
    Quote: Dr. Bormental
    Of course he is right! And Vasilyeva is right! Give them the heroes of the Russian Federation for their "merits" before the "revival" of the Russian army! And then we somehow missed this moment ..
    A country launching rockets into space buys armored cars for the army from the Italians? It's a shame...

    It's a shame that such comments get the most "+".
    You are a real provocateur)) Let's not buy anything abroad, let's not study other people's technologies, respectively, we will not improve our own at a fast pace. So we will catch up with Europe all our life in technology. The 21st century in the courtyard - who stole technology and copied it, he lives beautifully.
    With such patriotism as you do not need enemies. You in the LDPR urgently.
  24. lopvlad
    lopvlad 19 December 2015 13: 56 New
    +3
    These vehicles were even entrusted with such a responsible mission as escorting S-400 complexes that arrived in Syria. The personnel of the convoy with air defense vehicles and IVECO equipment went around all the TV channels of the world.

    “a car without a roof” is seen in the convoy, and by a simple tented UAZ (UAZ-3151), the army has already refused to purchase it in the past, like iveco. Do not look for “pitfalls”. It’s just that the equipment has long arrived in parts and is now developing its resource.
    The opinion of the “experts” who were going to test lightly armored vehicles not equipped with serious weapons in a real battle where the militants from TOW burn tanks is simply amazing.
    By the way, “tigers” equipped with a cornet flashed in the Syrian chronicle, which means that the test of the mobile complex is under way.
  25. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 19 December 2015 14: 06 New
    +3
    Dear chikenous59! hi I am not a provocateur. I am not opposed to the purchase of equipment to study. I am against the fact that our country, capable of producing anything, especially in the military industry, is buying armored cars from a potential enemy FOR THE NEEDS OF THE REGULAR ARMY. Do you think this is normal?
    Do not be offended by me, I expressed my opinion - many agree with him, many do not.
    Ps-I put you a plus sign.
    1. little girl15
      little girl15 19 December 2015 14: 12 New
      +2
      Yes, do not be offended by you. We understood each other, but others do not. For this, there are discussions of the topic.
  26. Termit1309
    Termit1309 19 December 2015 14: 13 New
    -2
    The army is primarily people. Those who no matter what will do their duty. They will destroy the enemy and survive in order to destroy the next. And with what weapons they will do it, the tenth matter. And for riveted patriots it’s the turn for the minuses on the right and the third door on the left.
  27. onix757
    onix757 19 December 2015 14: 21 New
    +3
    Quote: Stranger
    All those who criticize Serdyukov do not bother to think about the simple fact that Putin for some reason did not put him in prison, did not expel him from the civil service, but put him in a new responsible position in a strategically important sector.

    Let's go on the other side and try to remember who he planted.
    1. Extraneous
      Extraneous 19 December 2015 14: 52 New
      +1
      : o) Does the surname Khodorkovsky remind you of anything?
      With all the seeming commitment to "team unity" - Putin, with his experience and knowledge of the FSB officer, is unlikely to keep the person who failed him in the team. Especially - in a strategically important direction.
      1. onix757
        onix757 19 December 2015 15: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: Stranger
        With all the seeming commitment to "team unity" - Putin, with his experience and knowledge of the FSB officer, is unlikely to keep the person who failed him in the team.

        Khodorkovsky never belonged to his clan, for which he suffered that he refused to give it voluntarily. But he would also have to pay a tidy sum for sending the RF hodor off and guess whose pockets.
        Well, in principle, as I expected, there will be no one to remember. All his surroundings, as before, live long and enrich themselves.
  28. Pirogov
    Pirogov 19 December 2015 14: 24 New
    +3
    Quote: chikenous59
    Quote: onix757
    Quote: chikenous59
    We bought the equipment for study, to develop a technology by which we could assemble our own cars.

    Well, what is the exhaust output?

    Have you seen how many new models of armored vehicles rolled off the assembly line since that time? By the level of security and comfort, our cars are not inferior to the NATO ones. Foreign technologies are bearing fruit in combination with the genius of the Russian designer.
    Take it as an example if it makes it easier for you to make sense of Samsung's experience.
    A vivid example of the usefulness of theft or the acquisition of technology!
    What is the result? Samsung in a short time caught up with Apple in technology. Yes, it is inferior in some ways, but the leap that has occurred is very impressive so much that the Americans have banned the sale of Samsung in their own country.))

    You are right and the Chinese comrades are a good example! 2 cars bought, then a thousand themselves riveted and so on in everything and they laid on someone else's copyright!
  29. tinibar
    tinibar 19 December 2015 14: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: kurs66
    They gave Serdyukov, and then, it seems, they took the hero away when the hype rose ... He would have handed him the holy fuck @ kentiy, with a twist on the back ...

    Nobody gave him a hero, but he received some order, from the hands of Medvedev, thanks to which the ball was amnestied ...
  30. Kibl
    Kibl 19 December 2015 14: 31 New
    +1
    If they’ve purchased it, so that they are now rotting idle? Equipment should work, and not gather dust in the garage!
  31. Zeppelin ml.
    Zeppelin ml. 19 December 2015 14: 35 New
    +1
    What difference does it make? I now understand the Texas plumber who sold his pickup truck through some office, and a month later his Ford appeared on the ISIS’s tweets with an advertisement for his company, but with a machine gun in the back and an IG standard. The poor man was bombarded with threats, especially after San Bernardino. Into the problem. laughing Now $ 1 million. Compensation is required.
    And then they began to wind around Lynx. Well, it’s strange for some reason - it is in the arsenal of the armed forces and suddenly for some reason these armed forces use them! Paradox..... winked
  32. rfv0304
    rfv0304 19 December 2015 14: 45 New
    +5
    Accompanied by S-400, we see that our UAZ is the last in the convoy. And whoever serves he knows that the commander puts the most reliable machine in the closure. Yes, and the closing commander will not go anyhow.
    So it turns out that our UAZ is better! And Serdyukov did everything only with benefit for himself. He didn’t give a damn about Russia (and maybe now too). Under Stalin, and with all the other general secretaries (except for the labeled one), he would be shot, so that everyone would know and it would continue to be inconsistent. And the fact that Vovochka and his henchmen let things go on the brakes is just a spit in the face of the whole Russian people. And to such "businessmen as Serdyukov, a signal that you can steal (if you steal more than a million and is close to the reigning person.
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 19 December 2015 14: 53 New
      0
      Yes UAZ and Merkava how much!
    2. Extraneous
      Extraneous 19 December 2015 14: 55 New
      +1
      and in front - the most protected.
    3. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 19 December 2015 19: 45 New
      0
      Quote: rfv0304
      And whoever serves he knows that the commander puts the most reliable machine in the closure.

      some cretinism. I don’t know the realities of the modern Russian army, but nowadays all cars were reliable, even at the head, even closing.
      Quote: rfv0304
      who served knows

      Such snots circled around the ordinary convoy, “oh, lynxes!”, “Oh - wa-aaazik!”, “Shame on Serdyukov!” That at least stand, even fall.
      Quote: rfv0304
      With the escort of S-400 we see

      you don’t see a damn thing. Under your command, the convoy would not have moved at all, strategist.
      Quote: rfv0304
      And the fact that Vovochka and his minions

      ah, well, I’d start from that. Call your cat "little girl", uncle.
  33. ULxaw86
    ULxaw86 19 December 2015 15: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: Sid.74
    I think that everything is not so simple here too, Lynx is easier to Tigra. And it is easier to roll over long distances due to its dimensions. Lighter weight in sand conditions allows you to move faster. On the issue that our machines are not ours, as far as I remember, these cars were supplied in the Kamaz.At the same time, the first vehicle sets were purchased at the expense of Kamaz funds. There is a feeling that they were acquired in order to evaluate production technologies, namely explosive materials. As German composite ceramic armor, in her Snov materials organity Dutch, German gearbox, the engine is American.
    Although the Tiger is better in all respects. It’s necessary to maintain its manufacturer. Although there is a strange thing, the protected vehicle “Lynx” is a modification of IVECO 65E19WM for the Russian army, in accordance with the requirements of the Russian Defense Ministry, Russian-made parts should be used in the design of the car. knows him. request
    And by the way, in the photo at the end of the column UAZ and probably without any armor at all.

    UAZ, like Kalash, is timeless!
  34. avva2012
    avva2012 19 December 2015 15: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: Vovochka15
    Well, this Iveko is rather weak for the Russian climate and off-road, and for Syria, I think, just right.

    I want to ask, but in Syria, what is the climate like in Hawaii?
    1. little girl15
      little girl15 19 December 2015 17: 20 New
      0
      And what are the frosts in Syria for minus forty? Or is their autumn-spring thaw much cooler than Russian?
  35. NordUral
    NordUral 19 December 2015 15: 56 New
    0
    Not only wrong, but criminally wrong. Only domestic in the Russian Armed Forces.
  36. Vulkan raven
    Vulkan raven 19 December 2015 16: 06 New
    +2
    Most photos of Lynx from Syria - with Syrian fighters. And they said on the Internet that they were handed over to “Russian armored cars”. Or a photo where they accompany the C-400 next to the soldiers of the Military Police, and earlier about the Military Police there was information that their standard equipment would be Lynxes. Those. Conclusion - Lynxes guard our military base in Hmeimim, carry bosses or rare VIPs, most of the vehicles are transferred to the Syrians.

    Where are the Tigers? And they, as regular cars of special forces, carry out special missions. Obviously not related to the security base. Otherwise, they would not accompany the gunners or go to meet with local fighters near Palmyra.

    1. From Samara
      From Samara 19 December 2015 17: 22 New
      0
      At the bottom of the photo on Lynx, our MTR fighters arrived ... The Syrians still ride on donkeys ...

      And in general, you seemingly blind, you didn’t even bother to look at your laid out photo, where is still our MTR fighter sitting behind the machine gun and the second is standing, enlarge it and look, the famous photo is already ... there is also the second ...
      1. Vulkan raven
        Vulkan raven 20 December 2015 11: 12 New
        +1
        This I advise you to contact an ophthalmologist, in the photo of the military-industrial complex-233115 Tigr-M SpN.

  37. Peacemaker
    Peacemaker 19 December 2015 16: 26 New
    +1
    The Americans, withdrawing their troops from Afghanistan, preferred to distribute their lightly armored vehicles for free. Apparently it’s easier to leave the bu trash than to bring it back for 1000 km ... So they sent something that will be left to leave. And UAZ car is legendary. All of Mongolia rides on it in the steppes. No matter how you look at the plot about Mongolia, UAZ are always striking.
  38. Navy7981
    Navy7981 19 December 2015 17: 18 New
    +1
    I think that these machines after the operation will be left to the Syrians.
  39. From Samara
    From Samara 19 December 2015 17: 19 New
    -3
    So the Lynx is much better than the Tiger. The war always puts everyone in its place. The war does not like the Lobby and the left cheers patriotism, fools are the first to die in a war ... War is a good filter!

    Our MTR in Syria only dissect in the Italian, and use foreign sniper rifles ...
    1. Vulkan raven
      Vulkan raven 20 December 2015 11: 14 New
      0
      Quote: From Samara
      Our MTRs in Syria are Italian only




  40. EvilLion
    EvilLion 19 December 2015 17: 37 New
    +1
    We collected all the trash in one unit and sent so that it wasn’t necessary to shoot too much, the T-90 and BTR-82A are better at this task, and in their parts did not create supply problems. And in general, I will repeat BTR-82A again - this is the correct "lynx" and the correct "tiger". Another tachanka would be offered instead of the norms. armored vehicles. The operation will end, and they will be left there.
    1. From Samara
      From Samara 19 December 2015 17: 50 New
      0
      Why would a group of MTR fighters from 3 people have a tank and an armored personnel carrier ???
      1. avt
        avt 19 December 2015 19: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: From Samara
        Why would a group of MTR fighters from 3 people have a tank and an armored personnel carrier ???

        Well, yes, but I would prefer ,, Lynx "..... but not from ,, IVECO", but ours on the basis of BMP-3. It’s somehow calmer when they bring you to such a vehicle, wait and pick it up. Here it is - adapted BMP -3 and there are BRDM, and
        Quote: EvilLion
        . And in general, I will repeat BTR-82A again - this is the correct "lynx" and the correct "tiger".
        1. From Samara
          From Samara 19 December 2015 21: 16 New
          -2
          Quote: avt
          Well, yes, but I would prefer ,, Lynx "..... but not from ,, IVECO", but ours on the basis of BMP-3. It’s somehow calmer when they bring you to such a vehicle, wait and pick it up. Here it is - adapted BMP -3 and there are BRDM, and
          Quote: EvilLion
          . And in general, I will repeat BTR-82A again - this is the correct "lynx" and the correct "tiger".


          Yes, they will not even take you to the MTR, they will send you with your preferences to motorized shooters at best!
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  42. From Samara
    From Samara 19 December 2015 17: 43 New
    -1
    Serdyukov was not a fool, ours aren’t figs right away in the military-industrial complex, they’re not stupid, they’re stupid specifically!

    I saw a photo of the ATV, the machine gun was placed in front, to shoot it was necessary to stretch, it was inconvenient ...
    1. dzeredzavkomimu
      dzeredzavkomimu 21 December 2015 01: 31 New
      0
      I’m 170 cm and it fit normally, for our armored vehicles have a smaller silhouette, but on the ATV’s account, it’s unlikely that someone will shoot open to everyone with a quadric ..flight .., it’s unlikely to take root in the army, maybe it’s designed for shooting lying on the saddle)))
  43. rotfuks
    rotfuks 19 December 2015 18: 09 New
    +2
    It is a very good decision to send IVECO to Syria. Most likely they will not return from there. Give this trash to the Syrians. By the way, IVECO was conceived as a European truck. Motors were made by Italians, Germans boxes and bridges, Belgians frames and bodywork. motors were made by Italians, Germans boxes and bridges, Belgian frames and bodywork. This European car did not take root in Europe and, in fact, the deadlock died out. Perhaps they are collected from residues for third countries. As far as I know, IVECO has air-cooled motors. Motor oil needs a special, heat-resistant. So IVECO will not live in the army for a long time. Nobody will fill them with special motor oil.
    1. From Samara
      From Samara 19 December 2015 18: 16 New
      -1
      In Syria, severe weather conditions will be appreciated there. Cars with only good living conditions, air conditioning, comfortable chairs ... Apparently, they chose Lynx therefore. Being in a war is a very important component ... sometimes more important than security (although I'm not sure if the Tiger has armor protection better) ... because bad life kills ingenuity and initiative in a person ...

      In our military-industrial complex, according to tradition, people are the last to think about ... unfortunately.
      1. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 19 December 2015 20: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: From Samara
        In our military-industrial complex, according to tradition, people are the last to think about ... unfortunately.

        ... applying a lace handkerchief to moistened eyes ... Yes, yes, or something "they have" ...
        Quote: From Samara
        for bad life

        not from the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers?
        1. From Samara
          From Samara 19 December 2015 21: 13 New
          -1
          No, just unlike you, I know what I'm talking about.
        2. From Samara
          From Samara 19 December 2015 21: 21 New
          -1
          Quote: Zeppelin ml.
          ... applying a lace handkerchief to moistened eyes ... Yes, yes, or something "they have" ...


          In real life, in a war, people like you have the notion of Meat for Slaughter ... their age is short. They are dirty from the first days, lice appear in a week, then hepatitis, and then it’s the end in one role or another ...
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 20 December 2015 09: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: rotfuks
      IVECO was conceived as a European truck.

      Iveco makes wonderful trucks that have repeatedly become "Truck of the Year".
      In January 1975, the cargo department of Magirus-Deutz became a member of the international holding company IVECO for the production of trucks. For 1975-76 I had to fulfill the "contract of the century" for the supply of the same type of heavy trucks "Magirus-Deutz" in the USSR, where they were used mainly in the construction of BAM. Air-cooled machines were primarily attracted to Soviet specialists by their durability, reliability, unprecedented high power and the absence of worries with freezing water in radiators during severe Siberian frosts.
  44. VeterS
    VeterS 19 December 2015 18: 48 New
    +1
    The one who won the war is right, all the other shit, fuck ** bols and prisoners of war.
  45. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 19 December 2015 18: 50 New
    -1
    Hula to foreign "Lynxes" and glory to our eternal "UAZ" !!! With all due respect to the UAZ, this is already an anachronism, and given that 90% of the command and crew move on this slingshot car, what talk can be about reliability. Although the issue of maintainability of this antique dealer is controversial because only 1-2 years of operation normally work.
    1. avt
      avt 19 December 2015 19: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: tolmachiev51
      Hula to foreign "Lynxes" and glory to our eternal "UAZ" !!! With all due respect to the UAZ, this is already an anachronism, and given that 90% of the command and crew move on this slingshot car, what talk can be about reliability.

      wassat Avono how! And if in place of UAZ write Defender? Do you compare anything green with salty?
      1. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 19 December 2015 19: 56 New
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        Quote: avt
        Avono how! And if in place of UAZ write Defender? Do you compare anything green with salty?

        well said)
  46. senima56
    senima56 19 December 2015 20: 45 New
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    Quote: Dr. Bormental
    A country launching rockets into space buys armored cars for the army from the Italians? It's a shame...

    In the presence of TIGERS, SCORPIONS, and even WATERS, we bought Lynx ... the question is, why? Or do we have so much money as mattresses? And being Serdyukov in a leading position at the moment is an insult to both our military and for the whole country as a whole.

    Stop! This is not the case here! Serdyukov, of course, the personality is ambiguous, he did a lot of things wrong, BUT! At first, the Lynxes were tempered and shown to our car industry WHAT SHOULD BE MACHINES, but then the Tigers, the Scorpions, etc. were already sent. And it is quite possible that our army would still move on UAZs! By the way, the same thing happened with the outfit - first Felin and after the "Warrior". I repeat, I’m not defending Serdyukov, but in vain it’s not worth it to pile everything on him!
    1. Vulkan raven
      Vulkan raven 20 December 2015 11: 18 New
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      You probably do not know that the Tigers of the Ministry of Defense began to buy in 2007 before the arrival of Serdyukov, as were the projects of promising BKE (a prototype of the Warrior) long before the purchases of Felin (and some other Western samples).
  47. Prickly_58
    Prickly_58 19 December 2015 21: 42 New
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    Cho then article plus is not weak, but what is it about? What did the author want to say with this article? So far, a set of quotes and phrases has turned out. It very much resembles an article by an anonymous nameless clown in the Russian spring, also of the same type, oh how wonderful Serdyuk was, what awesome Iveks that they even sent them to Syria, and the Tigers junk, well, and the like ... On the topic of discussion, I think everyone already it’s clear why we don’t need these Iveks, and our Tigers will be better.
  48. rotfuks
    rotfuks 19 December 2015 21: 58 New
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    As for the Russian UAZs, there is a well-known joke. About the Japanese, who saw UAZ said, like. ... and what only Russians can’t think of in order not to build good roads ... ... roads in Syria are good, by Russian standards. In Syria there is no snow and ice. I kind of hint that every car is good for a certain region and for certain purposes. By the way, a completely different Russian machine is popular in Syria. This is a GAZ with a diesel engine. GAZ 3308 see here http://topwar.ru/85691-rossiyskie-gruzoviki-gaz-3308-vyderzhali-ekzamen-v-sirii.
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  49. Eugene 2603
    Eugene 2603 19 December 2015 23: 10 New
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    It’s not fools who decided what equipment will go to Syria .... Tigers, Lynxes are approximately equal in class. Perhaps the engines are optimized for this climate. Air conditioning is possible ..
  50. gas-5903
    gas-5903 19 December 2015 23: 40 New
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    "Lynx" - "machine gun, Conder", "Tiger" - "iron", according to the experience of the old BTR-chic I will say that it is better "iron"