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Experts have begun to decipher the information of the black box Su-24, shot down in Syria

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Today, the Ministry of Defense will hold a briefing at which it will be told about the beginning of reading the data of on-board recorders Su-24, shot down by a Turkish plane, reports RIA News message of the military department.


Experts have begun to decipher the information of the black box Su-24, shot down in Syria


“A briefing will be held at the Interstate Aviation Committee of the representatives of the Russian Ministry of Defense in connection with the commencement of the procedure for reading and decrypting information from the onboard means of objective control,” - said in a release.

The briefing will begin at 10: 00 at the Interstate Aviation Committee.

Recall, Su-24 was shot down by Turkish 24 aircraft in November over the territory of Syria. The bomber pilot Oleg Peshkov was shot from the ground by militants during the ejection.

After that, the President of the Russian Federation issued a decree “On measures to ensure the national security of the Russian Federation and to protect citizens of the Russian Federation from criminal and other unlawful actions and to apply special economic measures against the Republic of Turkey”.
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  1. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 18 December 2015 08: 34
    32
    We prepared for decoding for a long time. They probably wanted foreign guests, but nobody needed this! It was already so clear that Russia would not be interested in an objective investigation. We alone are interested in the truth on this earth, and the rest are just quietly farting!
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 18 December 2015 08: 38
      24
      Quote: dchegrinec
      . Probably wanted foreign guests, but it turned out no one!

      And who wants to hunt them like kittens with their nose into the Turkish Kaku stumbled upon.
      1. maxxdesign
        maxxdesign 18 December 2015 09: 53
        +1
        still stumble! after decryption ... and even so stumble that they will be scrubbed for a very long time!
      2. _Vladislav_
        _Vladislav_ 18 December 2015 12: 36
        +1
        Quote: vovanpain

        And who wants to hunt them like kittens with their nose into the Turkish Kaku stumbled upon.

        Very hunting. But I already know what they all say - the record is fake. Etc. etc.
        NATO partners will say that we need to figure it out, because it is still not clear what happened there.
        So, there will be just easy trolling from the west.
        You don’t think they’ll say: "oh yes, we are shit .... please forgive us Russians"
        So such things.
    2. Armored optimist
      Armored optimist 18 December 2015 08: 39
      11
      I said that no one will respond to our offer to participate. Why would they confirm our innocence?
      1. kodxnumx
        kodxnumx 18 December 2015 09: 23
        -1
        This is a verdict to Erddogan!
  2. vorobey
    vorobey 18 December 2015 08: 35
    +7
    Did the British come or not? or so everything has been clear to everyone for a long time ... we are waiting for the answer of the Turkish side .. they will babble ..
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 18 December 2015 08: 40
      +8
      Quote: vorobey
      Did the British come or not?

      And Endrugan and Two-Headed would not hurt to invite ...
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 18 December 2015 08: 46
        11
        Quote: Tersky
        And Endrugan and Two-Headed would not hurt to invite ...


        these summons ... laughing Hi Vit ..
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      3. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 18 December 2015 08: 53
        10
        Quote: Tersky
        And Endrugan and Two-Headed would not hurt to invite ...

        they have one more "warrior":
        Turkish Foreign Minister Cavushoglu! out of which he declares:
        In less than 7 days, the head of Ankara’s foreign affairs department, Mevlut Cavusoglu, assured journalists of Turkey’s ability to occupy Russia. According to YourNewsWire portal, the words of the Turkish minister were heard on one of the national television channels.

        "If necessary, I assure you: we with NATO and our regional allies can occupy Russia in less than seven days," the media quoted Cavusoglu as saying.

        It is worth noting that the rhetoric of the Turkish top officials regarding the crisis in relations with Moscow looks ambivalent. On the one hand, there are aggressive statements, such as made by the Foreign Minister, on the other, Erdogan’s assurances that Turkey wants to continue developing strategic relations with the Russian Federation. (ashamed from here:
        http://warfiles.ru/show-103322-glava-mid-t...-za-7-dney.html )
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 18 December 2015 08: 56
          11
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          "If necessary, I assure you: we with NATO and our regional allies can occupy Russia in less than seven days," the media quoted Cavusoglu as saying.


          Wellcome ... dear Turkish guests ... we will not torture with fat .. laughing
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 18 December 2015 10: 10
            +6
            Quote: vorobey
            . we will not torture with fat..



            We will, we will ... even as we will ... and the remaining prisoners of war will be put on full pork allowance ...
            1. kil 31
              kil 31 18 December 2015 10: 48
              +2
              Quote: veksha50
              Quote: vorobey
              . we will not torture with fat..



              We will, we will ... even as we will ... and the remaining prisoners of war will be put on full pork allowance ...

              In FIG. It will work out. We will again help Ukraine. Ukraine is an ally of Turkey. Hearing this, they will open a second front and surrender.
          2. BARKHAN
            BARKHAN 18 December 2015 17: 11
            +3
            And that this is right away ... "We will not!" You, dear vorobey, only speak for yourself. wink If they reach me, to my city, to my family, I will force them to bite a living pig ...
            The warriors got into a frenzy. All of this is from impunity.
            But it’s interesting, it didn’t occur to this balabol that the Turkish army would have nowhere to return. Or does it seem to him that nowadays the concentration of the group for the invasion can be hidden from our eyes?
            Balabol is also stupid.
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 19 December 2015 10: 05
              +3
              Quote: Barkhan
              And that this is right away ... "we will not"! You, dear vorobey, only speak for yourself


              I have to admit that you are right ...
              Quote: Barkhan
              In FIG.

              and yours too ... repeat

              I thought about it and came to the conclusion ... but it’s true there is no sense in pushing a pig into mutton ... what
        2. annodomene
          annodomene 18 December 2015 09: 45
          11
          Key words "... we are with NATO ...". And without NATA - monkeys are monkeys ...
        3. aleks 62 next
          aleks 62 next 18 December 2015 09: 50
          +8
          ..... "If necessary, I assure you: we with NATO and our regional allies can occupy Russia in less than seven days," the media quoted Cavusoglu as saying ....

          .... laughing wassat laughing ..... Well, they made laugh all the way to tears !!!!! .... In the morning, and so neigh !!!! ..... bully
        4. Ze Kot
          Ze Kot 18 December 2015 10: 04
          +7
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          "If necessary, I assure you: we with NATO and our regional allies can occupy Russia in less than seven days," the media quoted Cavusoglu as saying.



          Yes, happy!

          Where to register in the partisans?
        5. veksha50
          veksha50 18 December 2015 10: 08
          +3
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          I assure you: we with NATO and our regional allies can occupy Russia in less than seven days



          Hmm ... The infection from friendship with Ukraine is transmitted with an increase. exponentially ...

          Nuuu ... try ... you need to answer for your words, right ???
        6. meriem1
          meriem1 18 December 2015 11: 19
          0
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          Quote: Tersky
          And Endrugan and Two-Headed would not hurt to invite ...

          they have one more "warrior":
          Turkish Foreign Minister Cavushoglu! out of which he declares:
          In less than 7 days, the head of Ankara’s foreign affairs department, Mevlut Cavusoglu, assured journalists of Turkey’s ability to occupy Russia. According to YourNewsWire portal, the words of the Turkish minister were heard on one of the national television channels.

          "If necessary, I assure you: we with NATO and our regional allies can occupy Russia in less than seven days," the media quoted Cavusoglu as saying.

          It is worth noting that the rhetoric of the Turkish top officials regarding the crisis in relations with Moscow looks ambivalent. On the one hand, there are aggressive statements, such as made by the Foreign Minister, on the other, Erdogan’s assurances that Turkey wants to continue developing strategic relations with the Russian Federation. (ashamed from here:
          http://warfiles.ru/show-103322-glava-mid-t...-za-7-dney.html )



          That is, they decided that we will sit and wait for them? Have they not heard about the preventive nuclear strike from the military doctrine of Russia? So feel! A pair of B / Ps will be enough for Turkey. And then we yell ???? We plowed !!! you and the horse. Quite a whirlpool spun!
        7. Cu6up9k
          Cu6up9k 18 December 2015 11: 21
          0
          [quote = Andrey Yuryevich] [quote = Tersky] And it would not hurt to invite Endrugan and Two-Headed ... [/ quote]
          they have one more "warrior":
          Turkish Foreign Minister Cavushoglu! out of which he declares:
          In less than 7 days, the head of Ankara’s foreign affairs department, Mevlut Cavusoglu, assured journalists of Turkey’s ability to occupy Russia. According to YourNewsWire portal, the words of the Turkish minister were heard on one of the national television channels.

          "If necessary, I assure you: we with NATO and our regional allies can occupy Russia in less than seven days," the media quoted Cavusoglu as saying.

          It is worth noting that the rhetoric of the Turkish top officials regarding the crisis in relations with Moscow looks ambivalent. On the one hand, there are aggressive statements, such as made by the Foreign Minister, on the other, Erdogan’s assurances that Turkey wants to continue developing strategic relations with the Russian Federation. (ashamed from here:
          http://warfiles.ru/show-103322-glava-mid-t...-za-7-dney.html )[/quot
          Let at least with Nata come at least with Sveta. They’ll get one thing over their ears.
        8. Wedmak
          Wedmak 18 December 2015 13: 52
          0
          I assure you: we are with NATO and our regional allies

          At the first military sneeze in our direction you’ll stay where you were sitting. This military probably does not understand that the United States will not intervene in the turmoil in Europe. And the United States is NATO by and large.
          So .... we are with NATO, this is Turkey and these are the two suicide Arabs. Of course, it will be a pity there will be Turkish beaches and the Emirate sand ... But, but glass will be abundant.
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    3. S. TALIN
      S. TALIN 18 December 2015 12: 33
      -1
      Arrived however! soldier
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 18 December 2015 08: 35
    +8
    If this "box" will give us something, it will only be an unnecessary statement about our SU-24 not violating the Turkish borders. But it is clear in advance that the Merikatos, together with the Turks and Co., will deny the obvious. It's kind of a tactic to deny everything that is reliable. request
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 18 December 2015 08: 40
      +8
      Quote: aszzz888
      But it is clear in advance that the mericatos, together with the Turks and Co., will deny the obvious.

      And what does the whole world end in the USA and Turkey?
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 18 December 2015 08: 50
        +1
        And what does the whole world end in the USA and Turkey?


        No.
        But EVERYONE understands where and where the political wind always blows. And how he blows, the opinion of other countries that are not particularly friendly to us depends on this. hi
    2. GRAY
      GRAY 18 December 2015 08: 59
      +9
      Quote: aszzz888
      This is a kind of tactic - to deny everything authentic.

      Not quite in the subject, but also aviation:
      An official Australian investigation into the crash of the Malaysian Airlines MN-17 aircraft accused the Netherlands Security Council (DSB) of failing to provide “convincing evidence” that it had definitely destroyed the airliner and to say that Russia did not hit the plane, despite allegations of the opposite from DSB. This was testified in an international court by a senior Australian policeman investigating the crash of an MH-17 aircraft, Detective Superintendent Andrew Donoghue.

      In his testimony, Donoghue said that ten months after the accident, and after Kiev officials handed in less than half of the fragments of the fuselage to the Dutch, the discovery was made that "some fragments are not consistent with the wreckage of the aircraft."

      http://yournewswire.com/mh17-australia-say-russia-not-to-blame-evidence-tampered
      -with /
      To nourish yours, it turns out in Australia there are still people who have a conscience.
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 18 December 2015 09: 18
        +4
        It’s your food, it turns out in Australia there are still people who have a conscience


        There are people. But the truth will not be heard by the majority that intensely discusses the topic of our involvement in the downed aircraft. It is very difficult to prove the opposite.
        1. Extraneous
          Extraneous 18 December 2015 11: 21
          +3
          They will prove the opposite when Poroshenko is displaced.
          As far as I remember: the conclusions of the Netherlands Commission do not say who shot down the plane. no matter how the facts were rigged, they could not decide on a blatant lie.
          The case was postponed until the outskirts of the conflict were resolved, when it became clear that the United States and Russia could agree on a cut of the outskirts.
    3. Vita vko
      Vita vko 18 December 2015 09: 22
      +1
      Quote: aszzz888
      If something gives us this "box",

      I am sure that the objective data after decryption, video and testimony of the pilot are all serious evidence for filing a lawsuit in an international court. Hush up with the case as in the case of the downed Malaysian MN-17 will not work.
    4. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 18 December 2015 09: 55
      +4
      ..... If this "box" will give us something, then only an extra statement about our SU-24 not violating the borders of Turkey ...

      .... Unfortunately, the statement is very controversial .... And I think the Defense Ministry also understands this .... The fact is that this is a PARAMETRIC recorder .... That is. he writes the flight parameters (engine parameters, altitude, speed, vertical speed, one-time commands - fire, icing, etc.) .... He does not write the coordinates of the plane’s place, as far as I know .... Indirectly you can determine the plane’s location, but there will be no accuracy, but we must prove that the plane was 1 km deep into Syria .... hi
      1. Extraneous
        Extraneous 18 December 2015 11: 33
        -2
        Using these parameters, you can calculate the entire flight path from the start. So this is done during the investigation of air crashes. All these data are taken into account with reference to the coordinates on the ground and weather conditions. The business is long. But the calculations give results with an accuracy of several meters.
        Another thing is that the likelihood that the Su-24 hit the border is very high and this was initially said. It's just that the time of flight over the territory of Turkey is no more than 17 seconds at the widest point of the "ledge", which clearly indicates the practical impossibility of knocking down Sushka over Turkish territory AFTER crossing the Turkish border OVER TURKISH territory.
        1. aleks 62 next
          aleks 62 next 18 December 2015 11: 55
          0
          ..... All these data are taken into account with reference to the coordinates on the ground and weather conditions. The business is long. But the calculations give results with an accuracy of several meters ....


          ... I understand that you are a specialist at least on avionics avionics, if you say so .... lol
          1. Extraneous
            Extraneous 18 December 2015 13: 03
            0
            In order to understand the technology of calculation - schooling is enough.
            In civil aviation, trajectory calculations for crashes are done using parametric recorders and ground-based radar data.
            The radar data in this case is above the roof.
            And the calculations can be delayed for years precisely because of their complexity.
            Here, simple physics, aerodynamics and performance characteristics of the aircraft.
            1. aleks 62 next
              aleks 62 next 18 December 2015 16: 26
              0
              .... In civil aviation, trajectory calculations for crashes are done precisely by parametric recorders and ground-based radar data ...

              ... I agree .... The key thing is ground-based radars .... But in this case, the data of ground-based radars (of course ours) by our "partners" are not taken into account and are not accepted .... Actually, because of this, the story with " box ", involving 3 parties .... hi
  4. Mails
    Mails 18 December 2015 08: 35
    +4
    "The experts have started decoding" - that's just not enough from which countries and which foreign experts were invited.
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    2. aszzz888
      aszzz888 18 December 2015 08: 52
      +2
      Mails RU Today, 08: 35 New
      "The experts have started decoding" - that's just not enough from which countries and which foreign experts were invited.


      I think that it will be announced at a briefing by the Russian Defense Ministry.
      1. Dryuya2
        Dryuya2 18 December 2015 10: 13
        +2
        Quote: aszzz888
        MO RF

        what are the awards for ???
        I think for our pilot (who was "pulled out") what
        - although the "Tiger" (Colonel Suheil al Hassan) is the one who held the defense of the Qveyris airbase for almost three years
        http://kerzak-1.livejournal.com/2800197.html
  5. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 18 December 2015 08: 41
    +3
    International associations are only in civil aviation. There were no precedents for the international debriefing of military aircraft. Who to invite?
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  7. There are a lot of us
    There are a lot of us 18 December 2015 08: 45
    +4
    Here we have, damn it, partners ...
  8. Barakuda
    Barakuda 18 December 2015 08: 45
    +5
    There are no Western specialists. Definitely piss in absentia from the truth. They are preparing a new info-throw, like Putin, as always, to blame.
    The joke is that I called up that in the West even the people do not know about the supply of GDP. And what he says pull out quotes, and gossip further in his own way.
    One hope for RT, in Brazil and Argentina, for example, they like to watch.
  9. Engineer
    Engineer 18 December 2015 08: 46
    +1
    The British arrived or not, I wonder?
    1. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf 18 December 2015 10: 22
      +2
      Engineer
      The British arrived or not, I wonder?

      Latest News on Vesti FM Only the UK and China responded to the invitation.
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  10. blomsterd
    blomsterd 18 December 2015 09: 01
    +5
    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
    Turkey’s ability to occupy Russia in less than 7 days
    .
    Notably harness! Even the ever-memorable Aloizych did not greet, less than half a year did not count.
  11. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 18 December 2015 09: 09
    0
    The whole world community has zero objectivity.
    Why accept the invitation of the Russian Federation to the investigation if the obvious fact of Turkey’s aggression against Syria by the command from Washington should be denied to everyone.
    The other day there was information that an Australian taking part in the investigation of the Boeing catastrophe affirmed under oath that the investigation contains facts of substitution of the studied fragments, but it is impossible to prove the version of the West on Russian charges. So the investigation is being pulled-to prove the desired thing on the basis of forgery is a complicated matter.
    Interestingly, ours at least recorded a written refusal to investigate foreign experts?
    In general, we are waiting for a briefing.
    1. doework
      doework 18 December 2015 09: 37
      +1
      "Pravda" as such, the tolerant international community is NOT INTERESTED!
      They are interested in "informational reasons" for the continuation of the programmed PR-action.
      Well, if someone provides facts refuting this line, then not a single Western media will report them.
      I would recommend involving the UN in the investigation of the "Su-24 incident" and suing the Turks. We would have won it according to the current international standards.
  12. Aleksandr69
    Aleksandr69 18 December 2015 09: 33
    +2
    What do we expect from the investigation? As always: no one will recognize the results, but for themselves everything has already been decided.
    The only difference is that we called to participate, but no one invited us for an examination on the Boeing.
    1. ARES623
      ARES623 18 December 2015 09: 42
      0
      Quote: Aleksandr69
      What do we expect from the investigation? As always: no one will recognize the results, but for themselves everything has already been decided.
      The only difference is that we called to participate, but no one invited us for an examination on the Boeing.

      And we are waiting for real results, and the main thing is that we ourselves KNOW, and not believe that our cause is right. If you have to "sprinkle the snow with someone's red", this knowledge will warm your soul. And is it important.
  13. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 18 December 2015 09: 37
    +2
    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
    "If necessary, I assure you: we with NATO and our regional allies can occupy Russia in less than seven days," the media quoted Cavusoglu as saying.

    I recalled an old joke: Chuvachek comes into the bar and loudly, with a call -Well, who is against me here ?! A big man rises from the table. - Well, I - What is your name? - Vasya - Who is against us with Vasya? smile And what about opening and decoding the "black boxes" - definitely do it. And the fact that they are there all the muzzles of the muzzle are turned back from joint work, "The cat knows whose meat it ate"
  14. Tjeck
    Tjeck 18 December 2015 10: 03
    +2
    I hope they will open it as they said (under Western experts)? since figs that you will prove later if you don’t poke your nose, and that’s not a fact ..
  15. Hyppopotut
    Hyppopotut 18 December 2015 10: 36
    +2
    Broadcast on life news. Specialists from China, Great Britain, and the USA arrived.
    1. Tjeck
      Tjeck 18 December 2015 10: 51
      -1
      Ohhh it's good, Americans poke in kaku most enjoyable repeat on life-news did not find, on RT show.
      1. Tjeck
        Tjeck 18 December 2015 11: 10
        +2
        bummer, everything is destroyed there ..
        1. meriem1
          meriem1 18 December 2015 11: 16
          +2
          Quote: Tjeck
          bummer, everything is destroyed there ..

          Well, not all! But the picture is not very imagined (((
          1. Salad
            Salad 18 December 2015 11: 55
            +3
            39:35 voice-over: "Listen, they are all kotsans." Although before that I said that 3 out of 8 microcircuits are clearly broken and there is no information on them, although I clearly see 16 microcircuits and 3 more or less intact, the rest are in the trash.
            1. Tjeck
              Tjeck 18 December 2015 12: 16
              +3
              Well, they know better on the spot, microcircuits are still not a film, there even a micro crack can cause malfunctions. Also, as I understand it, each of the 16 chips is responsible for a certain period of time and does not duplicate each other. In general, for the first time I saw an open black box, I used to think that there is more serious protection ..
              1. Extraneous
                Extraneous 18 December 2015 13: 43
                +1
                Top board: processor and power regulator. It has no meaning for decryption.
                The microcircuit in the "military" design is a coprocessor that distributes data over memory. also does not matter.
                The rest of the microcircuits are flash memory, where flight parameters are recorded. One scheme for the entire length of time. Data is digital, not analog. It takes up little space.
                Judging by the traditional duplication of systems: two "flash drives" per parameter with parallel recording. That is, there are 8 parameters. But it is possible that duplication was not carried out in this device. then the recorded parameters are 16. If you succeed in removing something, then with a maximum of one or two circuits.
                Accurate calculation of the flight path in this state is almost impossible.
                Say - the state of the flaps at a point in time that does not agree with the power supplied to the engine at the same moment will not make it possible to calculate the angle of inclination in the turn and the radius.

                The hard compound was poured into devices with secret technologies. With a strong impact, it contributes to the destruction of the insides due to the rigid transmission of force.

                Film drives are even less reliable in terms of saving information.

                Wire storage devices are a good alternative. But they are more complicated, more expensive and more bulky. What is critical for a combat aircraft.

                Saving black box information is a sore point for all aviation. In most cases of civil aviation disasters, black boxes retain a more or less decipherable appearance due to the damping of the force of impact by the aircraft body, which is much larger in size than a military attack aircraft or fighter.
  16. valiant71
    valiant71 18 December 2015 11: 27
    +1
    Guys! As a graduate of two opposing academies, the maritime and aviation (life has developed))), I will say that this box should not write coordinates. Then what is the point then? After all, this is the main thing. He is parametric. It was like that at the time of the 90s. The plane is old. But the boxes may have changed. I hope so. Maybe listening to the cab will help. If two in one. On the civil record of negotiations and options are two different boxes. Speakers from VHF stations do not hang in the cab. Everything goes to the headphones. That is, you will not hear calls. Also a minus. Judging by the amount of white dust as a result of the oxidation of the material from which it is made (similar to silumin), the device has many years. So .. what will be removed from him.
    1. askort154
      askort154 18 December 2015 13: 58
      0
      valiant71 .... I will say that this box should not write coordinates. Then what is the point then? After all, this is the main thing. He is parametric ...

      If he writes: course, speed, altitude and time (and this is the minimum), then the whole
      the flight route is plotted in a graphic image per second.
      The error can be decent, due to the actual wind regime in the flight zone and the frequent change of flight profile.
      In my opinion, the idea is hopeless when the conversation is about
      17 seconds of entering the territory of Turkey, or 1 km. before reaching it, 100% confirmation from the "box" will not be received.
  17. hohkn
    hohkn 18 December 2015 11: 41
    +1
    Quote: armored optimist
    I said that no one will respond to our offer to participate. Why would they confirm our innocence?

    Most importantly, a proposal to participate has been received. And the fact that he was ignored is their problem. There will be no reason to say that Russia independently decrypted the data.
  18. iouris
    iouris 18 December 2015 12: 18
    +3
    From the video report it follows that there are foreign observers: it seems that China and the United Kingdom are represented.
    Unfortunately, the modern element base of the drive does not allow storing emergency information with a sufficiently high probability. In this respect, the metal tape of the Soviet Tester BSRPDs still has an advantage.
    In general, the purpose of this action is not clear to me. Especially in connection with the actual result.
  19. Aleksandr2012
    Aleksandr2012 18 December 2015 12: 52
    +2
    It doesn’t allow you to save data, textolite from the market, Chinese memory chips and an unreasoned design inside. As I looked, I was ashamed of our defense industry. Almost everything inside is in disrepair. Please note that the two microcircuits in the military buildings are completely intact.
  20. Aleksandr2012
    Aleksandr2012 18 December 2015 12: 59
    +1
    Blunt drills, a hammer, Chinese screwdrivers, and a hitachi screwdriver ...
  21. Alexander_
    Alexander_ 18 December 2015 12: 59
    +3
    Well, the hack was laid by our designers, and the military approved. A disgrace. Inside, everything crumbled from the blow, the microcircuits were large, split, a complete scribe. A disgrace. Even the compound boards are not flooded inside a sealed multilayer case. Inside, as a home appliance is made, which cannot be dropped. Who is the chief designer of the registrar? Which of the military approved this G? Explosion tests not carried out? Well, yes, one meter was dropped once from a height, and they were accepted (one hundred grams, probably).
  22. nemec55
    nemec55 18 December 2015 13: 25
    0
    To the whole community, if they can be so called up to one place, all our efforts. We need to ask a question for ourselves and conclude. Who needs this ?? Only we are right and what to do? Stop dancing to the tune of the world dovecote and do your thing.