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"Private Talk" about the care of Assad

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Unnamed sources of the Reuters agency in diplomatic circles assert that the Russians “made it clear”: they are ready to agree to Bashar al-Assad’s resignation from the post of president of Syria. At least, this “readiness” of the Kremlin is confirmed in “private conversations”. Some Western officials believe that there is a possibility of a similar compromise between the West and Moscow.


"Private Talk" about the care of Assad


As reported by 17 December agency ReutersRussia "made it clear" to the West that it has "no objections" against the departure of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in the framework of the peace process. This correspondent was told anonymously by some diplomats.

The article notes that Russia, like Iran, was a true ally of Assad, and on his behalf carried out military intervention. Russian forces are participating in the war against anti-government forces, journalists are confident.

Russia and Iran have long insisted that the fate of Assad should be decided on a nationwide vote. The Western powers, as well as Turkey, Saudi Arabia and some other local countries are unhappy with this state of affairs: they "reluctantly agreed" so that Assad would be allowed to "stay in place during the transition period." However, “the door of precisely such a compromise was opened by Russia,” Western diplomats say.

And in the final of this compromise, Asad still leaves, added one high-ranking Western diplomat, who spoke to journalists on condition of anonymity. According to him, “in private conversation,” the Russians accepted the point of view that Assad would resign at the end of the transition. True, Moscow is not yet ready to make a corresponding statement publicly, he explained.

Several other Western officials confirmed the message of this diplomat.

Further, Reuters recalls that the United States, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia and the major European and Arab states had previously agreed on a road map: six months are given for negotiations between the Assad government and the opposition. The formation of a national unity government should begin as early as January 2016. Elections will be held within 18 months.

According to officials, the United States and Europe insist: Assad can not participate in elections.

Despite the rapprochement of the positions of Russia and the West, there is still a “deep gap” in the negotiations on ending the civil war in Syria, diplomats and officials close to the negotiations said to Reuters. However, this gap is gradually narrowing, one senior Western diplomat noted.

According to the assurances of diplomats, Russia in its judgments about the resignation of Assad has already gone further than Iran. And we are talking about the coordination of the transition process. It’s harder with Iran than with Russia: Tehran has supported Assad for many years with military force, and he would have “lost face” if he had allowed Assad to leave.

One of the interlocutors of "Reuters" said that the key to the negotiations is exactly how Russia and Iran will agree to Asad’s departure. In his opinion, both Moscow and Tehran should do this "jointly."

According to another Western diplomat, Russia has already compiled a list of candidates representing a “replacement” for Assad (no details). And it is not clear whether Iran has its own list.

After the negotiations are completed, the UN Security Council expects to adopt a resolution approving a plan for a political transition in Syria. Diplomats say that the UK, China, France, Russia and the United States "have to agree on the text."

A little earlier information from Reuters on White House website There was a recording of the briefing by White House spokesman Josh Ernest.

The text notes that Washington would welcome the actions of the Russian Federation against the “Islamic State” in Syria, but for this, Moscow will have to change its military strategy in the region.

According to Mr. Ernest, the Kremlin supports the regime of Bashar al-Assad in Syria, and the White House is in favor of a political transition. A spokesman said that the Russians are conducting military operations not where the militants of the “IG” were stationed, but where the forces of opposition groups opposing “against the Assad regime” were concentrated.

Washington believes that such actions by Russia are contrary to the policies and priorities of the United States and coalition states. According to Ernest, now there is no reason to talk about the rapprochement of Moscow and Washington regarding Syria.

So, let me add, the United States would “welcome” the struggle of Russia against the terrorists “IS”, but at the same time the United States would also welcome the withdrawal of Assad. The position, it should be noted, is very convenient: the Russians refuse to support the “Syrian regime”, and at the same time shoulder the war with the army of militants, whose appearance in the region is directly connected with the US policy of recent years.

What can the Russians get in return, if they “agree” on Assad’s departure and on a protracted war with the terrorists? Presumably, the White House will promise to “consider the issue” of easing sanctions.

The Kremlin’s consent to Assad’s departure in one form or another and drawing Russia into a “new Afghanistan” would mean a major geopolitical achievement of the United States and a loss in the international arena of Russia and Iran. Of course, B.H. Obama would record this achievement in a small list of his foreign policy victories. He would have a valuable topic for memoirs. He would have remembered both the sanctions and his phrase about the "torn to pieces" Russian economy. And after that, he would not have looked like a political loser. Perhaps the president would even have gotten to the cover of "Time" in 2016.

Recall that Obama has only a year left to join the ranks of the great politicians of the world.

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  1. izya top
    izya top 19 December 2015 07: 18 New
    +8
    Western mriy, they are so ... uh, enticing fool
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 19 December 2015 07: 44 New
      +1
      Who is the first to write # putinsl? Wang, that our Israeli friends.
      1. Stepan stepanovich
        Stepan stepanovich 19 December 2015 08: 08 New
        0
        putinsl!
        Minus!
        You, not Wang.
      2. samarin1969
        samarin1969 19 December 2015 08: 22 New
        +6
        Sergey Lavrov said today that Russia agreed to negotiations with the opposition, a kind of "transitional government", and the "partner" Kerry said that Assad’s future (after and during the election?) Remains the subject of controversy

        I am far from Israel in every sense
        1. sa-ag
          sa-ag 19 December 2015 08: 55 New
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          Quote: samarin1969
          S.V. Lavrov stated

          In particular, in the Security Council "..." Today's unanimous vote on the council should open the way to the formation of a broad anti-terrorism front on the basis of the UN Charter, relying on those who oppose terror, including the Syrian army, Kurdish militias, armed units of the Syrian patriotic opposition- said Lavrov. "
          It reminds me of the 2014 year, at first not a legitimate, bloody junta, then, well, then we know who
          1. samarin1969
            samarin1969 19 December 2015 09: 18 New
            +7
            Unfortunately you are right
            1. Shveps
              Shveps 19 December 2015 11: 48 New
              +7
              Quote: samarin1969
              Unfortunately you are right


              UN Security Council unanimously adopted the final text of the resolution in support of a peaceful settlement of the situation in Syria. The document provides for the formation of a transitional government and the holding of elections in the country.

              Khasavyurt, Minsk 33 and Putin's cunning plan in one bottle.
              Poor Assad.
              1. dauria
                dauria 19 December 2015 12: 19 New
                +1
                Khasavyurt, Minsk 33 and Putin's cunning plan in one bottle.
                Poor Assad.


                Why is the poor? One and half year transitional government.

                Where is the drain? The truce does not extend to the main vrazhin.
                Emphasizedthat the ceasefire in Syria should include all but the so-called “Islamic state” (the organization is banned in Russia) and the extremist group Jebhat al-Nusra.

                The Geneva communiqué and the Vienna statements implying a ceasefire, the drafting of a constitution in six months, the creation of a transitional government to prepare for the elections, which are to take place in a year and a half, were unanimously approved.
                also the establishment of a united anti-terrorist front.

                “Syria must remain a single, secular, multi-religious and multi-ethnic state, comfortable and safe for all groups of the population, and only the Syrian people have the right to determine their future. This is a clear answer to attempts to impose
                Syrians from outside will resolve any issues, including the fate of their president, "said Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.
                1. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 19 December 2015 12: 36 New
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                  One and a half years of transitional government.
                  Assad was already elected president a year ago, why should he again go to the polls in violation of the Syrian constitution?
                2. avva2012
                  avva2012 19 December 2015 12: 44 New
                  -7
                  Where is the drain? The truce does not extend to the main vrazhin.
                  Still putinsl. Do not overdo it, do not try. Our entire foreign policy consisted in one thesis: "let's respect international treaties and all issues that must be resolved through the UN." The fact that the partners went to negotiations, and even with the participation of the UN, without question, is our victory. Recall, when was the last time, the West, that they generally paid attention to the UN? Well, that's it.
                3. Grabberxnumx
                  Grabberxnumx 20 December 2015 00: 37 New
                  0
                  The media "independently" just probe the soil, amid the extension of sanctions Europe. Waiting for our reaction.
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          3. alicante11
            alicante11 19 December 2015 10: 38 New
            +3
            It reminds me of the 2014 year, at first not a legitimate, bloody junta, then, well, then we know who


            Well, secular “oppositionists” and all deserters must be returned to the ranks. And, given their number, they are clearly not afraid of asadites. At least while ours cover Syria from amers.
          4. Loner_53
            Loner_53 19 December 2015 10: 59 New
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            Quote: sa-ag
            It reminds me of the 2014 year, at first not a legitimate, bloody junta, then, well, then we know who

            You are right. Again, our policy went heels ahead sad
        2. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 19 December 2015 12: 40 New
          +8
          Sergey Lavrov said today that Russia agreed to negotiations with the opposition, a kind of "transitional government", and the "partner" Kerry said that Assad’s future (after and during the election?) Remains the subject of controversy

          Will there be a bargain? The question is what will they give us in return? And do we need this "in return"? Apparently, we as Papuans will be offered beads and glass based on the phrase in the article -

          What can the Russians get in return, if they “agree” on Assad’s departure and on a protracted war with the terrorists? Presumably, the White House will promise to “consider the issue” of easing sanctions.

          How twisted, just admiration! Sanctions are not lifted, but “mitigated”, and even this is not a fact - “they will consider the issue” (!) This is a statue of Apollo so that he can “examine” his “question” and discuss for a long time whether it is worth mitigating it?
        3. kamikaze
          kamikaze 19 December 2015 19: 16 New
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          everything is in the hands of the people. everything must be resolved peacefully through elections. if the people choose the president of ASAD, then he will remain. if not, he will leave Assad.
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      4. good7
        good7 19 December 2015 08: 39 New
        -1
        Why is Israel, not Turkey? For example, the Iranian agency http://en.farsnews.com/ writes that Baghdadi has been hanging out in Turkey lately! As I understand it, ardent anti-Semite?
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        2. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 19 December 2015 08: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: good7
          As I understand it, ardent anti-Semite?

          Not at all! But, apparently, the moderators consider exactly the same as you, since my comment was deleted.
    2. Ivan_ich
      Ivan_ich 19 December 2015 08: 05 New
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      Modern news should be read like this: if the United States is dissatisfied with something - then the policy of the Russian Federation is correct, if the United States is happy with our actions - then we made some kind of mistake ...
      1. anEkeName
        anEkeName 19 December 2015 08: 30 New
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        If we are talking about "unnamed sources" - this is an obvious throw in with the aim of exerting psychological pressure on Assad. One grandmother said, in general. I think Assad will not lead to such obvious bullshit.
      2. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 19 December 2015 10: 56 New
        +8
        This also means that tomorrow the United States will change its mind to the opposite, refuse all promises, and at the same time change the rules of the game. The United States resembles a chess player who simply kicks the board when he begins to blow the game.
      3. Pirogov
        Pirogov 19 December 2015 12: 14 New
        +2
        You are one hundred% right!
    3. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 19 December 2015 08: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: iza top
      Recall that Obama has only a year left to become one of the great politicians in the world

      Somehow unexpectedly.
      It has long been clear that Obama has no chance of success in politics.

      Not only deeds failed, but even words.

      so I don’t understand what are the reasons for such flattery to the outspoken Russophobe and the bourgeois henchman?
    4. Stepan stepanovich
      Stepan stepanovich 19 December 2015 10: 07 New
      0
      Sofa Marshals Trolls Can't Cope!
      Administration, helps and cleans unwanted comments!
      Got it! Mutually, please: delete my account please!
      Threat.
      "Military" review.
      As you call a ship, it will sail!
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    5. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 19 December 2015 19: 11 New
      +2
      It is interesting to observe the transformation of the consciousness of Assad’s opponents after the start of the Russian Aerospace Forces operation, as their approaches and requirements change. At first they insisted on immediate resignation, now they are trying to bargain for leaving after six months. And this is not the limit, as a result, they agree that Assad will remain forever. All claims of the West and regional enemies of independent Syria are ideally broken on the short word “no.” And to the question “why not?” there is a universal answer "because."
  2. The black
    The black 19 December 2015 07: 22 New
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    Assad - whether he is good or bad, is the only Syrian leader who is able to unite the country. If Assad leaves or he leaves, then definitely the civil war and the collapse of Syria according to the Libyan-Iraq scenario. It must be said that America has almost achieved its goal, but then Russia intervened ....
  3. meriem1
    meriem1 19 December 2015 07: 24 New
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    Again nonsense! What nafig leaks and backstage conversations? Putin clearly said, this is a matter of principle! The Syrian people will choose. Change position or exchange Assad, it means to act like states. They used the type and threw it away! Moreover, there is no faith in the west. And they would not promise us anything. They will crush us as they try to crush us ... smilingly agreeing with Us, and under the "carpet" doing dirty tricks! It is unlikely that Assad would be "leaked." To do so is to lose face before the whole world! The East does not forgive this and never forgets. Once you bend and that's it. You are a loser. If you can be pushed, then there will never be any equal conversation.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 19 December 2015 07: 38 New
      +3
      They will crush us as they try to crush us ... smilingly agreeing with Us, and under the "carpet" doing dirty tricks!


      Well, actually the drain about the fact that the KREMLIN passed ASADA is a standard procedure before all kinds of meetings, discussions at the international level, so to speak, an attempt to probe the enemy’s intentions ... a well-known reception in the information war ... you need to be calmer and not be fooled by the tricks of our sworn enemies (partners) from the Anglo-Saxon world.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 19 December 2015 08: 12 New
        +4
        In fact, the Amers need to make excuses for the fact that the UN Security Council resolution does not contain any mention of Assad’s resignation. Like, we agreed on this gentlemenly with the Russians. Well, then it will be possible to say that the Russians are not gentlemen and “scored” all their promises.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 19 December 2015 08: 55 New
          +5
          Most likely misinformation. What is called a "good mine with a bad game." Perhaps the partners are doing very badly, which is why the stuffing appeared. It is difficult to turn on logic with a lack of information, but it seems that the VKS successfully burns fuel trucks, the Syrian troops are fighting well. Why retreat V.V. Putin and lose face.
    2. avva2012
      avva2012 19 December 2015 09: 18 New
      +4
      What can the USA offer in return? Ukraine? So, "Bobby has already died." A splinter, of course, but we survive. And, to lose not only the face, but also such an ally as Iran, this will be a disaster. So, d-mo, this is not information. Deza, comrades. Happy Military Counterintelligence Day!
      1. atalef
        atalef 19 December 2015 16: 04 New
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        Quote: avva2012
        So, "Bobby has already died." A splinter, of course, but we survive nothing. And, to lose not only the face, but also such an ally as Iran, this will be a disaster. So, d-mo, this is not information. Deza, comrades. Happy Military Counterintelligence Day!

        Iran has decided to support Russia in all matters of a peaceful settlement of the Syrian civil war, the Reuters news agency reported. According to commentators, this increases the chances of the resignation of Bashar al-Assad.

        So far, Russia and Iran have rejected the possibility of the resignation of Bashar al-Assad, except as a result of popular elections in Syria.

        At the same time, Western sources have recently claimed that Russia does not object to Assad’s departure as part of the peace process.

        After the meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and the supreme leader of Iran, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Moscow and Tehran agreed to pursue a single line with regard to Syria. The Iranian side described these negotiations as very successful.

        An Iranian source said that the Syrian people must decide their own destiny, and if the Syrians vote for the president’s resignation, he will have to leave. At the same time, Tehran considers the cessation of the war to be a priority.


        Western countries still categorically insisted on the resignation of the Syrian leader, accusing him of numerous war crimes, but have recently expressed their consent to his stay in power during the transition period.

        It should be noted that the UN Security Council on Friday, December 18, unanimously adopted a resolution in support of the road map for the process of peaceful settlement of the conflict in Syria.

        The document calls on the Secretary-General, "as soon as possible, tentatively at the beginning of January 2016," to assemble the Syrian parties at the negotiating table, which will be based on the Geneva Communiqué, as well as the decisions of the International Syrian Support Group (ICPS). As soon as the parties to the conflict "begin the first steps to implement political transformations" in Syria, a truce should come into force.

        The resolution expresses its support for the political process, the aim of which is to create a transitional government within six months, as well as hold, no later than 18 months later, “free and fair elections” in accordance with the new constitution. “All Syrians, including representatives of the diaspora,” must be allowed to participate in the elections.

        The document does not mention President Bashar al-Assad, whose future question remains a stumbling block.

        We also note that Iran has changed its position against the backdrop of reports of the withdrawal from Syria of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps units, which suffered heavy losses in battles against Syrian rebels
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 19 December 2015 17: 34 New
          +2
          Reuters news agency reported.
          This is a key suggestion. From other news agencies, no information?
          Ataleft, how, you do not like, to put it mildly, Muslims, but turn on the logic, why, "merge" Iran, Assad?
        2. avva2012
          avva2012 19 December 2015 17: 50 New
          0
          You read what is written. It can be seen with the naked eye. On the one hand, Iran and Russia say something, and on the other hand, the agency claims. And, according to x -... that between these two statements there is no logic whatsoever. The main thing is putinsl. And now, and Iranslil, here, the most important thing, how, I had not thought before!
          1. Vitaly72
            Vitaly72 20 December 2015 12: 08 New
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            That's right, comrade Jew did not take into account that all this is; according to the analysts of the agency and an anonymous diplomat said;
  4. venaya
    venaya 19 December 2015 07: 28 New
    +5
    US and Europe insist: Assad cannot run for election.

    Probably there has never been one in world history. Hatred of an independent leader of the country just rolls over. What are they afraid of?
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 19 December 2015 08: 18 New
      +7
      What are they afraid of?


      They’re not afraid of anything. It’s just that “doctor” frustrated them all their plans. So they were sweetened. Even Gaddafi is the Desert Lion, with his intelligence and fortitude failed to resist, and Bashar wins on all fronts. And on the political - Russia and Iran support it in full. And in the military - the SAA has successfully opposed world terrorism for almost three years.
      1. Sergey S.
        Sergey S. 19 December 2015 08: 59 New
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        Quote: alicante11
        What are they afraid of?

        They’re not afraid of anything. It’s just that “doctor” frustrated them all their plans. So they were sweetened. Even Gaddafi - the lion of the desert, with his mind and strength of spirit could not resist ...

        1. The main reason for the hatred of Assad - his party in Russian sounds like - The Party of the Arab Socialist Renaissance - like Hussein ...
        Libya was a Socialist Jamahiriya ...
        They hit the remnant of socialism.
        Beat to complete destruction.
        I.dio.ty full.
        Compress the spring.
        If Saddam had sins against his citizens, especially the Kurds, then in other countries this was practically not the case.
        But terrorists were found at Gaddafi who took revenge for the suffering of the Palestinians, but they attacked not Gaddafi, but the PEOPLE, which only flourished in Africa .... under the banner of SOCIALISM.

        Assad was harder - there were more people, less oil, Israel was occupying the Gollan and Lebanon needed protection from obvious enemies ... but he managed to organize a good state by local standards.

        But traitors to the motherland were found here, the opposition, damn it,

        V.V. Putin will not be able to drain Assad.
        But Assad may run out of strength and nerves ...

        We wish Bashar al-Assad good luck and VICTORY !!!
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 19 December 2015 10: 33 New
          +6
          1. The main reason for the hatred of Assad - his party in Russian sounds like - The Party of the Arab Socialist Renaissance - like Hussein ..


          I beg you ... Russia, it seems, is already the third dozen as if not socialist, but quite liberal-oligarchic, and hatred of GDP in particular and Russia in general has not disappeared. Yes, and Assad from socialism has one name left. Such capitalism is only petty, but monopolistic. However, our oligarchs and Syrians will teach "to share the homeland."

          Libya was a Socialist Jamahiriya ...


          Murmurych was a wise man, but he was too clever. If you are the leader of a small country, you need to understand this and not try to play the role of a diva, maneuvering between forces. It always ends very badly. Here he maneuvered, maneuvered, but did not fish. As a result, he lost Russia's support (GDP, as the KGBist does not like those who change orientation), and the Americans did not recognize him as their own, no matter how much he called the Monkey "son." And he died in vain, he would have left for Russia with money, and he would have lived on a ruble in a tent near his own mansion and the children would have been alive. It was impossible to win anyway. Although, of course, as a man his decision to fight to the end can only be respected.

          They hit the remnant of socialism.


          Yeah, the most socialist Iraq and Syria, and the DPRK and Cuba are so direct capitalists.

          We wish Bashar al-Assad good luck and VICTORY !!!


          But I can only welcome this part of your post :).
          1. Sergey S.
            Sergey S. 19 December 2015 11: 21 New
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            Quote: alicante11
            Yeah, the most socialist Iraq and Syria, and the DPRK and Cuba are so direct capitalists.

            You reason formally ...
            DPRK geographically under the wing of the PRC and Russia ... There would be another Kim somewhere in Australia, a long time ago he would come to an end ...

            And Cuba received the guarantees of the American president in the 1962 year - it was Fidel who won the Caribbean crisis.
            It is for this reason that so far ours are limited there by invisible and non-strategic forces.

            But socialism is too early to write off. Socialism still lives in Russia.
            Remember, or look for V.I. Lenin:
            "A people who recognize freedom will never be enslaved."

            I translate:
            In Russia, oligarchic capitalism is alive only for the reason that there is something to steal and share.
            But where it is necessary to work, there is no capitalism. That is, the capitalists think that they are, and the workers quietly hate them ...

            The authorities already understand this ... they began to attract "leaders" for the "execution" of government orders ....
            I emphasize, not the engineers and workers, but the "leaders", that is, the capitalist oligarchs and their representatives ...

            This is just another reason for VV's embitterment. Putin.
            The trouble with the declared communists, such as Zyuganov’s, is that they are dogmatic, and they cannot fit into the new social and production conditions.
            A V.V. Putin is trying to work directly with the people bypassing the “democratic” (read capitalist) procedures. ONF and, now no longer a secret, special non-governmental means of collecting information, this is such an organism.

            Comrade, believe!
            She will rise
            Star of captivating happiness ...

            This is A.S. Pushkin expressed very precisely the Russian dream and our national idea.
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 20 December 2015 08: 18 New
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              And Cuba received the guarantees of the American president in the 1962 year - it was Fidel who won the Caribbean crisis.


              I mean, guarantees? Where are they and by whom are they signed? The only guarantee in politics is the ability to "give to the snout."

              Socialism still lives in Russia.


              Well, yes, the oligarchs and senior officials live just like not even under socialism, but under communism :).

              "A people who recognize freedom will never be enslaved."


              With all due respect to VIL, great people are also mistaken. Only their mistakes are also great. As you can see, we were not only enslaved, but rather, our parents, ourselves in the queues choked on to be enslaved.

              This is A.S. Pushkin expressed very precisely the Russian dream and our national idea.


              Dreaming is not harmful. But it would be better if they had not dreamed, but would have kept what was.
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 20 December 2015 08: 43 New
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              Quote: Sergey S.

              But socialism is too early to write off. Socialism still lives in Russia.

              Where?
              Quote: Sergey S.
              "A people who recognize freedom will never be enslaved."

              We are not slaves, we are not fish! For 150 r per month good By the way, this slogan is now popular in Ukraine. wassat
              Quote: Sergey S.
              In Russia, oligarchic capitalism is alive only for the reason that there is something to steal and share.

              Nonsense, everything has been plundered for a long time lol
              Quote: Sergey S.

              This is A.S. Pushkin expressed very precisely the Russian dream and our national idea.

              It's mine, and we’ve been here for about 5 years now looking for this idea with all the Saite. Where you used to be, now fellow
      2. atalef
        atalef 19 December 2015 10: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: alicante11
        What are they afraid of?


        They’re not afraid of anything. It’s just that “doctor” frustrated them all their plans. So they were sweetened. Even Gaddafi is the Desert Lion, with his intelligence and fortitude failed to resist, and Bashar wins on all fronts. And on the political - Russia and Iran support it in full. And in the military - the SAA has successfully opposed world terrorism for almost three years.

        Optimistically, do not forget about my post that you stole. hi
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 20 December 2015 08: 20 New
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          Optimistic, do not forget about my post that you stole


          I will remind you of it. I hope you will not be banned for this "poking" rudeness. Although, it is unlikely, if the admins are friends, then everything is possible, not like us, mere mortals.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 20 December 2015 08: 25 New
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            Quote: alicante11
            I hope you will not be banned for this "poking" rudeness

            Since when the appeal to YOU ​​became rudeness.
            Quote: alicante11
            . Although, it is unlikely, if the admins are friends, then everything is possible, not like us, mere mortals.

            This is probably why he has 8
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 20 December 2015 10: 33 New
              -2
              Since when the appeal to YOU ​​became rudeness.


              Communication on "you" with a stranger has always been and is rudeness and disrespect.

              This is probably why he has 8


              From me, yes, I think, and from many other "not friends" there would have been an eternal ban for a long time :). And I have 6, with 5 for the same topic, and one for the question.
          2. atalef
            atalef 20 December 2015 08: 26 New
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            Quote: alicante11
            I will remind you of it. I hope you will not be banned for this "poking" rudeness.

            I already wrote 100 about my appeal to YOU.
            In Hebrew there is no appeal to you, unfortunately for the 23 of the year I’m used to it.
            My appeal to YOU ​​in no way reduces the degree of my respect for my opponent
            Quote: alicante11
            Although, it is unlikely, if the admins are friends, then everything is possible, not like us, mere mortals.

            Well, the crying of Yaroslavl and the search for a worldwide conspiracy began.
            I have 8 warnings. and everything from friends.
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 20 December 2015 10: 30 New
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              I already wrote 100 about my appeal to YOU.
              In Hebrew there is no appeal to you, unfortunately for the 23 of the year I’m used to it.


              Yes, I do not care what is and what is not in Hebrew. You write in Russian and communicate on a Russian-language site. So use your local troubles in Israel or on Jewish sites.

              My appeal to YOU ​​in no way reduces the degree of my respect for my opponent


              What reduces and what does not reduce - only you know. I proceed from the rules of communication in Russian. In which the appeal to "you" is possible either for very close friends (either in the family), or for a teacher with a student (not necessarily by job, but maybe by life), or for any hamla from the gateway. We are not bosom friends. And, judging by your views on Russia, we cannot be, no matter how Slavic your appearance and your big fists are. You are not a teacher for me either. So decide for yourself who you are, continuing to call your opponents in Russian and on a Russian-language website.

              Well, the crying of Yaroslavl and the search for a worldwide conspiracy began.
              I have 8 warnings. and everything from friends.


              From me, yes, I think, and from many other "not friends" there would have been an eternal ban for a long time :). And I have 6, with 5 for the same topic, and one for the question.
              1. atalef
                atalef 20 December 2015 17: 57 New
                0
                Quote: alicante11
                Yes, I do not care what is and what is not in Hebrew.

                Hebrew, write correctly
                Quote: alicante11
                You write in Russian and communicate on a Russian-language website.

                in which there is an appeal to YOU.
                Quote: alicante11
                it reduces and does not decrease - only you know.

                then you write with a capital letter, for that matter
                Quote: alicante11
                I proceed from the rules of communication in Russian

                read above
                Quote: alicante11
                In which the appeal to "you" is possible either for very close friends (either in the family), or for a teacher with a student (not necessarily by job, but maybe in life), or for any hamla from the gateway.

                You do not know the Russian language, especially in terms of teacher - student.
                Quote: alicante11
                We are not bosom friends.

                Of course, I also suspect. which we will not
                Quote: alicante11
                And, judging by your views on Russia, we cannot be, no matter how Slavic your appearance and your big fists are.

                I have never been Russophobe and my opinion about Russia. extremely respectful.
                about the appearance, I do not know. not for me to judge. Well, a fist. in general, it is advisable not to test anyone.
                Quote: alicante11
                So decide for yourself who you are, continuing to call your opponents in Russian and on a Russian-language website.

                I’ll continue, neither you are the first nor you are the last and have already explained why.
                Do not like it - please. Chs at your service
                Quote: alicante11
                From me, yes, I think, and from many other "not friends" there would have been an eternal ban for a long time :). And I have 6, with 5 for the same topic, and one for the question.

                Turn to Smirnov and you will be happy.
                Best regards hi
      3. atalef
        atalef 19 December 2015 16: 05 New
        +5
        Quote: alicante11
        and Bashar wins on all fronts. And on the political - Russia and Iran support it in full. And in the military - the SAA has successfully opposed world terrorism for almost three years.

        Wins?
  5. novobranets
    novobranets 19 December 2015 07: 29 New
    +8
    Assad himself said that he would leave if the majority of the people voted against him. But while the war is on, there can be no question of any vote; this is a no brainer. To me this mouse fuss, supposedly with the participation of Russian diplomats, seems to be another diso, with the aim of spreading distrust between the allies (real allies) helping Syria.
    1. Yuri Y.
      Yuri Y. 19 December 2015 08: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: novobranets
      This mouse fuss, supposedly with the participation of Russian diplomats, seems to me another diso

      No, well, ours can soften the rhetoric for a period until the army most of the time strangles it until the essence and the matter. And when it is done the situation will be different.
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 19 December 2015 08: 21 New
      +1
      Assad himself said that he would leave if the majority of the people voted against him.


      Bashar is a smart man. He perfectly understands that his fate, as the leader of a small state, is a bargaining chip for large players. And so he, I hope, is not going to hold on to power. But he will not leave before securing the security of Syria. And, it seems to me that he should, having left his official post, create and lead a large party that will be able to control the situation in Syria. Because he has already shown himself and as a "crisis manager" should always be on the alert.
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 19 December 2015 08: 35 New
        -7
        But he will not leave before securing the security of Syria.

        It turns out that never ??
        create and lead a large party that can control the situation in Syria.

        He is now unable to do this together with the army .. and even more so after leaving ...
        Because he has already shown himself as a “crisis manager”

        God forbid anyone - such a manager ..
        Assad agrees with you, undoubtedly a smart person, and most likely bargains as many preferences from both sides as possible, after which he migrates to the Cote d'Azur, and Syria will be drowned in blood for five years ... until the power is exhausted.
        1. sa-ag
          sa-ag 19 December 2015 08: 57 New
          0
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          It turns out that never ??

          I think that a little earlier, I put it as a temporary figure of the transitional government on the former Minister of Agriculture and the former Prime Minister
          1. atalef
            atalef 19 December 2015 16: 09 New
            0
            Quote: sa-ag
            I think that a little earlier, I put it as a temporary figure of the transitional government on the former Minister of Agriculture and the former Prime Minister

            Galvanji or al-Halki?
            1. sa-ag
              sa-ag 19 December 2015 19: 13 New
              0
              Riad hijab
              1. atalef
                atalef 19 December 2015 22: 22 New
                0
                Quote: sa-ag
                Riad hijab

                Probability is not small
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 19 December 2015 10: 36 New
          +4
          It turns out that never ??


          Any war once ends ... Will he survive its end. This, of course, is the question.

          He is now unable to do this together with the army .. and even more so after leaving ...


          And what did he do 4 of the year? The limit of power comes at any. Enemies have banal more resources.

          and most likely bargains as many preferences on both sides as possible


          I am begging you. If he wanted to bargain for something, he would now be sitting on this shore, like the president of Tunisia.
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 19 December 2015 11: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: alicante11
            it turns out that never ??

            This no longer depends on his personal desires, the question is rather a rhetorical one, the support of Russia will only enable him not to repeat the fate of Gaddafi and Saddam
            What indicates the absence of double D in the surname .. wink
            PS is slightly surprised by the small number of minuses, because he swung his "beloved cow" .. lol
        3. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 19 December 2015 12: 36 New
          +1
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          God forbid anyone - such a manager ..

          Well - now I find out, the firm tread of "couch patriots"))
      2. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 19 December 2015 10: 51 New
        0
        Assad of something is standing while he is in power and he has real strength - 150 bayonets and influence. So far, Russian planes are covering it from the air.
        East is the territory of dictators. The departed loses everything forever. He can fight endlessly. There is a wild overpopulation. Arabs are already 400 million. And they are all young people. So there are always those who want to fight.
        1. atalef
          atalef 19 December 2015 16: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: Cap.Morgan
          Assad of something is standing while he is in power and he has real strength - 150 bayonets and influence

          Well can not win?
          What is there to win, noticeably advance
          Quote: Cap.Morgan
          East is the territory of dictators. The departed loses everything forever. He can fight endlessly

          no one can fight endlessly
      3. atalef
        atalef 19 December 2015 16: 07 New
        0
        Quote: alicante11
        And so he, I hope, is not going to hold on to power.

        Of course it’s going.
        mk understands perfectly well that his resignation is ultimately to flee the country, but of the countries that could accept him ---- Iran, Russia and .... everything is certain.
        1. Gardener91
          Gardener91 19 December 2015 23: 04 New
          0
          Whether Assad will run away or not will be accompanied by the situation in Syria at the time of the election and what dividends Assad will earn himself at that moment. And everyone should like it. We will see.
  6. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 19 December 2015 07: 30 New
    +6
    Quote: meriem1
    Again nonsense! What nafig leaks and backstage conversations?

    This is the information war --- the creation and dissemination of rumors, the formation of doubts. And also --- messages about what Putin thinks and wants to do.
    And also, what lists Russia has --- some Western diplomats report.
    A mixture of stupidity, delirium and meanness.
  7. Gray 43
    Gray 43 19 December 2015 07: 30 New
    +4
    Sooner or later, everyone will leave, the question is, who will come in return? In Russia, we also understand that one day Putin will leave, but so far, he cannot see a worthy replacement, Medvedev? But we do not want trouble
    1. Shark Lover
      Shark Lover 19 December 2015 12: 50 New
      +1
      Will Medvedev leave after a trip to China, what unnamed diplomats say?
  8. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 19 December 2015 07: 33 New
    +2
    Recall that Obama has only a year left to become one of the great politicians in the world
    take higher: galaxies !!! yes
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 December 2015 07: 39 New
    +4
    So, after listening to GDP, Lavrov and Shoigu, you can believe in the nonsense that Western diplomats are talking about "backstage" agreements? But never.
    Against Daesh and all other armed moderates (apparently the heads are cut off moderately, probably under anesthesia?), The correct means were used - to the smithereens and in half. And also to highlight the channels of financing and financiers, too ... That this bloody "crap" is blown away.
  10. Andrea
    Andrea 19 December 2015 07: 42 New
    +7
    How about peas on the wall! Are they there that are self-employed?
    Putin, it seems, has repeated the 30 times, the Syrian people will decide! Well, they don’t understand a damn thing, even if there’s a count on the head.
    But Assad has to hurry up, otherwise the Saudis are trying to stand in the pose of a fighting cock. In any case, this does not bode well, even if it is only a demonstration of intentions, they are capable of giving a call anyway ... they get it great.
    And that's funny, only Assad had successes, Germany, England, France pulled themselves up, the states moved, the Saudis in a rush to put together a coalition ... what would it be. what
    Typically, all of us ... under international law, everyone is trying to get into Syria without an invitation. In common people, this is called by-commonality.
    And it’s funny and disgusting to watch how they rush to the trough.
    1. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 19 December 2015 08: 13 New
      +5
      Quote: Andrea
      Well, they don’t understand a damn thing, even though the count on the head is comic.


      They all understand perfectly. The "exceptional" believed that "they took God by the beard, and the bull by the horns." In 2012, McCain openly stated that the SGA did not want to see Putin as president, is this normal ?! It seems that their behavior is connected with the overconfidence that the whole world is in their pocket for a long time, and "the most democratic and tolerant democrats" do not want to part with this faith.
    2. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 19 December 2015 10: 43 New
      +3
      I don’t remember when the Saudis fought.
      The last time - about 100 years ago, led by Lawrence of Arabia.
      The Saudis have recently been seen in sexual atrocities in London hotels and restaurants, and there they have a main front.
  11. Aleksandr72
    Aleksandr72 19 December 2015 07: 44 New
    +3
    And I wonder who it is ... from Russian statesmen who conduct private conversations with foreign diplomats about Assad’s departure. Or is it another stuffing in order to probe Russia's position on this issue?
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 19 December 2015 08: 23 New
      +6
      And I wonder who it is ... from Russian statesmen who conduct private conversations with foreign diplomats about Assad’s departure.


      Yes, no one. Ours said that the Syrian people should decide. And it was probably said that Russia would make this decision even if it means Assad’s departure. But the Americans only heard what they wanted to hear, however, as usual.
      1. atalef
        atalef 19 December 2015 10: 47 New
        +4
        Quote: alicante11
        And I wonder who it is ... from Russian statesmen who conduct private conversations with foreign diplomats about Assad’s departure.


        Yes, no one. Ours said that the Syrian people should decide. And it was probably said that Russia would make this decision even if it means Assad’s departure. But the Americans only heard what they wanted to hear, however, as usual.

        What will the Syrian people decide - all sides agree, the question is --- Assad will participate in the next election or not.
        Well, I wrote my opinion more than once, before the end of January, Assad will declare that he will not participate in the next elections and this decision (his) will be supported by Russia
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 20 December 2015 08: 25 New
          0
          What will the Syrian people decide - all sides agree, the question is --- Assad will participate in the next election or not.


          Why should he not participate? Or should the Syrian people choose only those approved by the State Department?

          Well, I wrote my opinion more than once, before the end of January, Assad will declare that he will not participate in the next elections and this decision (his) will be supported by Russia


          Ah, now how? And before there was a decision to leave.

          no, there can be only one conversation - Assad will leave.
          You will see this soon. I think by the end of January (maximum) a decision supported by Russia will sound.
          1. atalef
            atalef 20 December 2015 08: 30 New
            +1
            Quote: alicante11
            Why should he not participate? Or should the Syrian people choose only those approved by the State Department?

            Maybe of course. only in such a case there can be no question of a cease-fire (the opposition says so) the question is, should Russia continue the fighting in Syria or not?
            Quote: alicante11
            Ah, now how? And before there was a decision to leave.

            It is not the same ? belay
  12. parusnik
    parusnik 19 December 2015 07: 44 New
    +4
    According to him, “in private conversation,” the Russians accepted the point of view according to which Assad would resign at the end of the transition... Another "Wishlist .." of the West .. Exploration by battle .. on the Syrian section of the information front
    1. Stepan stepanovich
      Stepan stepanovich 19 December 2015 08: 23 New
      0
      Time is running out!
  13. Riv
    Riv 19 December 2015 07: 44 New
    +4
    Why guess? The war in Syria will last even hell knows how much. But Obama can now safely call everyone that he has settled everything and Assad is leaving. And in a year he will not give a damn about Syria and the fact that there will be another president after him raking.
  14. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 19 December 2015 07: 44 New
    14
    The United States would “welcome” Russia's struggle with the ISIS terrorists, but at the same time the United States would welcome Assad’s departure
    Deciding who will be the president is up to the Syrian people, not Obama and he sang along.
  15. vobels
    vobels 19 December 2015 07: 52 New
    +1
    "..Probably, the president would even get on the cover of The Half in 2016 .." It would be better in the form of an obituary in a funeral frame.
  16. jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 19 December 2015 07: 53 New
    +2
    What can the Russians get in return, if they “agree” on Assad’s departure and on a protracted war with the terrorists? Presumably, the White House will promise to “consider the issue” of easing sanctions.

    It's a bit small. If we exchange it for much more.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 19 December 2015 10: 36 New
      +3
      It is necessary to exchange for something real.
      The West very often changed the rules of the game.
      Take at least now the situation with debt in Ukraine. Now you can not pay it. Or again you can’t. I'm already confused. But Ukraine itself allowed not to pay.
      Remember what the promise of NATO is not to expand to the East. Their promises are worthless.
  17. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 19 December 2015 07: 59 New
    +1
    It is clear that Russia does not make concessions to the West regarding B. Assad. Moreover, it was stated that the Syrian people should decide their own destiny. But for Americans, it’s so throat to the extent that they again launched the duck through the media. Therefore, another sensing of the reaction of Moscow.
  18. Hubun
    Hubun 19 December 2015 07: 59 New
    -1
    I think we won’t see such a cover for the Half, moreover, Obama would still be afraid that the world prize would not be taken away
  19. knn54
    knn54 19 December 2015 08: 00 New
    +1
    Fly ducks ...
  20. s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 19 December 2015 08: 09 New
    +1
    The Kremlin’s consent to Assad’s withdrawal in one form or another and Russia's pulling into a “new Afghanistan” would mean a major US geopolitical achievement and a loss on the international arena of Russia and Iran
    Yes, and in a remote village they understand that. Assad's care is very bad. Elections, so elections, but with Assad’s participation. And we'll see.
  21. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 19 December 2015 08: 14 New
    +1
    Quote: iza top
    Western mriy, they are so ... uh, enticing fool

    Bring them ischo of "this" rubbish, and they will conquer the halacht ...
  22. Masya masya
    Masya masya 19 December 2015 08: 18 New
    +7
    "Russia" made it clear "to the West that it has" no objection "to the resignation of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad as part of the peace process. Some diplomats anonymously told reporters." don’t say that, anyway, they’ll turn everything inside out and serve it in such a sauce as it’s beneficial for them ... And there’s no one to ask "some unnamed sources" ...
  23. Dezinto
    Dezinto 19 December 2015 08: 28 New
    +4
    Obama issued a new card. He lifted the ban on oil exports, for the first time in 40 years. What is this fraught with? I'm sitting wondering. Any opinion?

    Who will they sell it to? Who will buy American oil at distant lands? Delivery, loading unloading .. On the one hand, such a reflection what
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 19 December 2015 08: 47 New
      +3
      Mexico, Canada. In Latin America, its own oil. There is another option that sales will be virtual, that is, ordinary speculation (called futures or something). Those who understand the economy will probably complement it.
    2. Andrea
      Andrea 19 December 2015 08: 50 New
      +2
      Even if they don’t sell the fact of such a player’s presence on the market, the prices will fall. Dead reptiles, we’ll see who takes them. If they start selling, the price of fuel and lubricants in the states themselves will inevitably increase, and the natives there are tender, spoiled ...
    3. sa-ag
      sa-ag 19 December 2015 09: 00 New
      0
      Quote: DEZINTO
      He lifted the ban on oil exports, for the first time in 40 years. What is this fraught with?

      Selling oil from strategic reserves
      1. Dezinto
        Dezinto 19 December 2015 09: 20 New
        +1
        Selling oil from strategic reserves


        The minus is not mine. But not not - they have accumulated enough above the necessary and may well get rid of the surplus.
    4. atalef
      atalef 19 December 2015 10: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: DEZINTO
      Obama issued a new card. He lifted the ban on oil exports, for the first time in 40 years. What is this fraught with? I'm sitting wondering. Any opinion?

      Who will they sell it to? Who will buy American oil at distant lands? Delivery, loading unloading .. On the one hand, such a reflection what

      Mexico - as an example, China, Cuba wink
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 19 December 2015 11: 11 New
        +3
        Mexico - as an example, China, Cuba.
        And China, why? Cheaper to buy here. Cuba? Where did she get the money? winked
        1. atalef
          atalef 19 December 2015 11: 21 New
          +4
          Quote: avva2012
          Mexico - as an example, China, Cuba.
          And China, why? Cheaper to buy here. Cuba? Where did she get the money? winked

          Why China? But China is generally smart, having shown that it can buy from America too - it will get additional trump cards during negotiations with at least Russia, at least with Saudi Arabia
          Where did Cuba come from? America will help her
          but it won’t help - it will continue to buy from Russia (if Russia helps it), but it certainly will not be able to buy from Venezuela - maybe Venezuela cannot help itself laughing
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 19 December 2015 11: 35 New
            +1
            Hello, Alexander. With China, as usual, dengi. Oil delivery, the cost of oil, and the "trump card price" is doubtful. So far, we are not particularly interfering with China, especially the Silk Road. China is big, but you won’t eat in two sips. There Africa is different, Central Asia, possibly BV. Well, what about Cuba? I realized a joke of humor, it’s in vain that you are with Venezuela. Judging by Nicholas Maduro and his statements, Venezuela is a mega power. belay
  24. Nymp
    Nymp 19 December 2015 08: 32 New
    0
    Assad will not leave, Obama will leave, and he is very worried that there are more minuses in his term than pluses. Merikasos were offended that their prezik looks like a rag against the background of GDP. And Obama wants an elementary revenge, well, at least an occasion to say with resentment: “So I got it, even Putin caved in, and you did not support me in difficult times.”
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 19 December 2015 09: 01 New
      +5
      Quote: Nymp
      Obama will leave

      it will not change anything, Madame Clinton will come for an example, and Obama will seem not so bad at all
      1. Pirogov
        Pirogov 19 December 2015 12: 25 New
        +1
        If this ss ... uka clinton comes: the Yankees will become even more impudent!
  25. Neophyte
    Neophyte 19 December 2015 08: 33 New
    0
    In the East they used to say: no matter how you say halva, your mouth will not become sweeter!
    Western politicians say: Assad must leave! The Syrian people will decide all the same!
    1. samarin1969
      samarin1969 19 December 2015 08: 45 New
      +2
      "Libyan, Iraqi peoples" have already reached the end ..... all aviation and special forces decide
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 19 December 2015 08: 58 New
        +3
        Quote: samarin1969
        "Libyan, Iraqi peoples" have already reached the end ..... all aviation and special forces decide

        Well, our VKS help to solve it.
    2. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 19 December 2015 10: 28 New
      0
      Putin will decide in this situation. Now the initiative is in his hands.
      Rhetoric about the people is just a tribute to political correctness and respect for the sovereignty of the country.
      Did people decide in Ukraine. Obama is the main puppeteer there. At least for now.
      So Putin can play on the many accumulated contradictions of the anti-Syrian forces. Anti Turkish and anti Israeli Arabs, irreconcilable struggle of the Kurds, desperate resistance of Christians who have nowhere to go. The difficult situation of refugees in Europe.
      In the meantime, we must continue to iron basmachi bombs from ISIS. This is an extra trump card in any negotiations.
  26. Tusv
    Tusv 19 December 2015 09: 02 New
    +1
    You never know what they think and dream in the West. Even Kerry himself, after talking with GDP, began to sing about the choice of the Syrian people.
  27. surrozh
    surrozh 19 December 2015 09: 07 New
    +2
    Again Reuters and again an unnamed high-ranking source. So anyone can refer to an unknown person. The stuffing is for one purpose - to denigrate Russia in the eyes of the East.
  28. bashkort
    bashkort 19 December 2015 09: 29 New
    +3
    I think it will be like this: the elections will indeed take place, but they will obviously not take place in the territories under the control of the Daesh, so B. Assad will naturally win. And this tramp will begin in a new way, with slightly different arguments, but the essence of which will not change: the West will continue to insist on the departure of the Syrian president, and ours will diplomatically maneuver, bombing along the terrorists and the oil business of those who insist on permanently eliminating B. Assad.
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 19 December 2015 13: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: bashkort
      I think it will be like this: the elections will indeed take place, but they will obviously not take place in the territories under the control of the Daesh, so B. Assad will naturally win.

      That is why the Americans and the rest will not go with them under any circumstances - the elections are only without Assad ... what they directly declare and whether Putin will succeed in pushing this is a big question ..
  29. ML-334
    ML-334 19 December 2015 09: 33 New
    0
    By and large, about Assad, we decide. Our support for Putin is support for Assad. Obama underestimated the Russian people, we don’t take cookies, upbringing does not allow. It seems that we have to go the way of Jesus for the salvation of mankind. By destroying the infection we save the innocent.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 19 December 2015 09: 46 New
      0
      Quote: ML-334
      It looks like we have to go the way of Jesus

      But Jesus was betrayed and crucified, does he need such a path?
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 19 December 2015 10: 15 New
        0
        Only then did Jesus rise from the dead, ascend to heaven and become a god.
        Good perspective
        1. sa-ag
          sa-ag 19 December 2015 11: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: Cap.Morgan
          Jesus rose from the dead, ascended into heaven and became a god

          It’s a coup d'etat in the heavenly office, so to speak, I won’t believe that the Sabaoth would do such a thing, after people were expelled from paradise to earth, people began to live, disgusting at the top view, indulged in all kinds of unbridled things, all kinds of punishment was sent to people in the form of floods, all pestilential ulcers and other things didn’t help, at last they realized in the celestial chancellery that people could be organized in the same way as they were, no “revolutions from above” would help here. Thus, the next project was launched with special effects in the form of a star, immaculate conception and other magi, nothing happened for a long time because it took time to reach a certain age, then instructions were given and Jesus began work on neurolinguistic programming among the future electorate, I must say that he partially succeeded, but he crossed the path to one financial group, which he saw as a competitor and took measures to eliminate it, the failure of the project became evident and under the cover of an urgently organized cyclone, the messenger was urgently removed to the heavenly office for further instructions and extended powers . This time everything went like clockwork, the electorate was united, awarded and began to develop in the required direction, periodically organizing wars to regulate demography. The Almighty was pleased, finally his labors were successful and one can retire, people on earth often turn to him with various requests, but God does not hear them, he just sleeps.
      2. ML-334
        ML-334 19 December 2015 10: 23 New
        -3
        I perceive Jesus as the savior of our civilization. God gave us a chance. How many civilizations He cleaned up, and they were highly developed, not a couple of ours. I wonder why God doesn’t turn off our commandments, all commandments are violated. The world rules Satan and only our people still have some kind of faith in justice. This thought gnaws at me.
      3. atalef
        atalef 19 December 2015 10: 52 New
        0
        Quote: sa-ag
        Quote: ML-334
        It looks like we have to go the way of Jesus

        But Jesus was betrayed and crucified, does he need such a path?

        Quote: Cap.Morgan
        Only then did Jesus rise from the dead, ascend to heaven and become a god.
        Good perspective

        Do you want to violate the principles of the Holy Trinity?
  30. Hitrovan07
    Hitrovan07 19 December 2015 09: 44 New
    +1
    Again stuffing. "Test of public opinion."
    I believe that if we support Assad, then Russia will not sell it for “30 silver coins”.
    1. voronbel53
      voronbel53 19 December 2015 11: 37 New
      0
      As a well-known person in some circles said, bargaining is inappropriate here ...
  31. Tusv
    Tusv 19 December 2015 09: 49 New
    +4
    Quote: ML-334
    It seems that we have to go the way of Jesus for the salvation of mankind

    For the West to Calvary? Conceptually against! Better according to Mayakovsky: "To shine and not any nails" hi
    1. ML-334
      ML-334 19 December 2015 13: 00 New
      -2
      I mean, our people, like Jesus, are ready and repeatedly proved this, to give our lives for the idea. We never built our well-being at the expense of other nations.
  32. Dave36
    Dave36 19 December 2015 10: 07 New
    0
    Syria is for us a platform for dialogue on sanctions, no more. The owners there are Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and above them the United States.
    Assad does not shine. The people of Syria will re-elect, they will tear again in a civilian ... Will leave ... they will tear them apart like Iraq ..
    Bottom line ... we killed Turkey ....
    And Assad that with us that without us .... Ruble))
  33. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 19 December 2015 10: 12 New
    +3
    I doubt that Russia will agree to Assad’s departure, primarily because, as a result of the elections held by the West, a pro-Western politician will surely sit on the throne. In conducting fraud and fraud during the election, they are masters.
    It’s like losing ground completely.
    Russia has repeatedly been convinced how easily the West is changing its point of view and the rules of the game.
    Another thing is to agree that Assad will EVER leave. Cone. We will all leave someday. Just hope not soon.
    1. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 19 December 2015 11: 56 New
      +1
      Everything will be as the GDP wants ... But no one knows what he wants.
      Ideally, have a friendly country at this "crossroads of traffic." Military bases for a hundred years. We have already paid for the rent. Well, specialists will determine the further economic benefits ...
      After all, Alavites and Christians will be quite enough on this territory.
    2. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 19 December 2015 11: 57 New
      +3
      This operation can last forever, as long as the Saudis and Qatari support ISIS. That is to concentrate on these countries and there is a direct and urgent task of the special services.
    3. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 19 December 2015 11: 59 New
      +4
      And most importantly ... we do not give any aim to the Arabs so that they all gather around us. Here Western countries offer democracy. Terrorists offer their huge Muslim power. And we have nothing for them to unite ...
    4. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 19 December 2015 12: 01 New
      +3
      Yes, what is the sin of concealing with us and for our country there is no idea, that's why we are marking ourselves everywhere ... both at home and not in the Donbass, now in Syria ...
    5. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 19 December 2015 12: 02 New
      +3
      Under the Union, everything was clear ... the goal is communism. Under the Democrats of the 90s, destroy everything Soviet and divide. Destroyed and divided. And now?
      You can not make complaints to builders who do not have a project ...
  34. AID.S
    AID.S 19 December 2015 11: 05 New
    +5
    Putin and Obama agreed that Assad will leave after the election defeat. Churov will count ....
    1. atalef
      atalef 19 December 2015 11: 21 New
      0
      Quote: AID.S
      Putin and Obama agreed that Assad will leave after the election defeat. Churov will count ....

      Assad will not participate in the elections.
      1. AID.S
        AID.S 19 December 2015 12: 50 New
        +2
        Quote: atalef

        Assad will not participate in the elections.

        Yes, I decided not to put an emoticon :-), but about the elections, who knows who knows, maybe such a Minsk will come out that Assad will have time to see the grandchildren of the Syrian presidents ..
  35. sontinianin
    sontinianin 19 December 2015 11: 08 New
    -2
    Donbass leaked Syria Leaked, who's next !?
  36. Namba Six
    Namba Six 19 December 2015 11: 15 New
    -4
    Quote: Black
    Assad - whether he is good or bad, is the only Syrian leader who is able to unite the country.

    Assad is just an ordinary dictator. True, unlike his father, the dictator is a loser. Being an Alawite, which was one fifth of the country’s strength, he patronized precisely this small percentage of the population (almost all the top positions were held by the Alawites, ruled the country), and the Sunnis and others were forced to endure it and silently saved anger (and those who did not remain silent I wanted to do local bezpeka, in whose highest ranks did anyone understand? ... Yeah, they are the most. Alavites). And when ISIS emissaries came to the country, these same 80% of the population did not nothingto help authorities quickly and firmly eliminate this destructive movement. Some of them supported him, others (Syrian Kurds) simply began to organize themselves and rebuff the so-called "government troops." In short, Assad himself dug the hole into which he could still be buried. If he does not have the mind to leave for himself. For it was his short-sighted policy that led his country to turn into a jar with spiders gnawing at each other.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 19 December 2015 11: 26 New
      +2
      He successfully fights, has an army, why should he leave?
      Today, the Sunnis do not support, tomorrow they looked at the defeat of ISIS and began to support. The situation in Syria is unstable, fluid, there are no constant enemies and allies, everything is changing. Where can the Kurds go if their Turks are crushing? Here is a natural ally in war, on anti-Turkish soil.
      Destructive Muslim movements are actually very tenacious and it is not easy to eliminate them. Often only with the physical elimination of adherents.
      Russia has long been fighting this evil, but alas, it has not greatly succeeded.
  37. UrraletZ
    UrraletZ 19 December 2015 11: 15 New
    +3
    You can not believe the Americans and surrender Assad. Next will be Russia.
  38. 31rus
    31rus 19 December 2015 11: 25 New
    0
    Dear, it’s called “one grandmother said”, and even “Reuters”, and even hourly, nonsense. There are negotiations, and there the fate of Assad and Syria as a whole, and indeed the whole region, is decided. Here from these negotiations, it all depends, everything else is gossip
  39. samarin1969
    samarin1969 19 December 2015 11: 57 New
    +3
    Quote: alicante11
    while ours cover Syria from amers.

    while our cover Alavite enclave...the elections will lead to the legitimization of the split of Syria, ours especially do not go to the Sunnis and Kurds
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 19 December 2015 12: 05 New
      +5
      Quote: samarin1969
      while ours cover the Alavite enclave ..

      Armed opposition fighting government forces, this is not the opposition, but illegal armed groups.
      It was such an opposition that seized power in Kiev.

      Further explain?
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 19 December 2015 12: 45 New
        +1
        I agree with you, dear stalkerwalker, to you "+", where does Syria?
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 19 December 2015 12: 58 New
          +2
          The answer can be heard from M. Zadornov in his definition of the mental abilities of US residents ...
          wassat
      2. padded jacket
        padded jacket 19 December 2015 12: 54 New
        +1
        There are no alternatives to Bashar al-Assad. He is supported not only by the people of Syria and the country's army, but also by many sane leaders abroad. And if he even “leaves” for a while, he will still come back because he is without a doubt the national leader of the country and it is largely thanks to him that Syria has not been completely destroyed and has not been completely turned into a terrorism base like Libya.
        What about the war? War is needed only by terrorists and those who support them, the United States, Israel, Turkey, the SA and so on.
        Bashar al-Assad with his wife Asma in the Christian church of Damascus.
        1. Belarus
          Belarus 19 December 2015 15: 27 New
          +1
          I completely agree with you. But in all this I do not understand the position of Israel in this matter. Well, how can you imagine the alliance of Israel with Saudi Arabia request
          1. Sanya56
            Sanya56 19 December 2015 16: 04 New
            +2
            Want to live is not so raskoryachishsya.))
          2. atalef
            atalef 19 December 2015 16: 18 New
            +2
            Quote: Belarus
            I completely agree with you. But in all this I do not understand the position of Israel in this matter. Well, how can you imagine the alliance of Israel with Saudi Arabia

            Elementarno, common interests.
            There is no union, of course, but a common understanding on many issues is unconditional.
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 19 December 2015 20: 37 New
              0
              Quote: Belarus
              But in all this, I do not understand Israel’s position on this issue. How can one imagine the alliance of Israel with Saudi Arabia?

              Quote: atalef
              Elementarno, common interests.

              That's right. And the common interests of both Saudi Arabia and Israel are the spread of terrorism and Wahhabism in the Middle East region.
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 19 December 2015 20: 52 New
                +1
                Quote: quilted jacket
                And the common interests of both Saudi Arabia and Israel are the spread of terrorism and Wahhabism in the Middle East region.

                In particular, Israel is now building up relations with another terrorist accomplice, Erdogan, at the pace of which our SU-24 was shot down.
                By the way, the warming of relations between Israel and Turkey occurred precisely after a vile blow to the back of our country from Ankara. So it is quite possible it was a planned action of Turkey and Israel.
                Israel and Turkey are close to an agreement on normalization of relations and cooperation
                Official Turkish sources confirmed on December 18 that their country had reached preliminary agreements with Israel on the terms of final reconciliation and cooperation in the gas and other fields.
                As reported the day before, the head of the Mossad, Yosi Cohen, and the special envoy of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for relations with Turkey, Yosi Chehanover, recently met in Switzerland with the Director General of the Turkish Foreign Ministry and reached a number of agreements:

                1. Israel will establish a fund to help victims of the interception of the Mavi Marmara ship.
                2. All claims against Israel will be forfeited.
                3. The parties will restore diplomatic missions and return ambassadors.
                4. One of the leaders of Hamas, Tsalah Aruri, will not be allowed into Turkey and will not be able to engage in terrorist activities from there.
                5. Soon, discussions should begin on the conditions for the supply of Israeli gas to Turkey.
                http://9tv.co.il/news/2015/12/18/218878.html

                Well, the fact that both Turkey and Israel support the terrorists acting against the legitimate government of Syria is not even in doubt.
  40. onix757
    onix757 19 December 2015 13: 13 New
    +2
    Judging by today's Russian-American resolution supported by the United Nations, Assad is veiled off. In short, another hpp.
  41. Belarus
    Belarus 19 December 2015 15: 24 New
    +1
    How these Western media can sometimes not infuriate me with words. Moscow agrees that Moscow agrees to this, an anonymous source said, and so on - ugh media from you from the West, got it already.
    The first thing you need to do in such cases is to ask yourself - to whom such rumors are beneficial. And they are only profitable to the West, they say they squeezed the Russian Federation and she agrees on the Assad issue, the triumph of American diplomacy in action - yeah, right now, nevermind. be in the toilet rejoicing that they managed to run away without laying bricks in the underwear.
    Russia is now essentially negotiating with, if not the devil, and there is no reason to hope for honesty with the Western negotiators.
    So you have to wait for the official version or confirmation of this information and then reason.
    I found something: Turkey and Europe have closed the sky for Russian long-range aviation - Russian Defense Ministry
    And about Assad:“We have formulated our position on those components that are common and acceptable, and now we do not need to jump from side to side like a flea in the lasso,” the president said.


    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201512191451-r0j9.htm
  42. Sanya56
    Sanya56 19 December 2015 16: 02 New
    +1
    If Russia agrees to this curse, then there will no longer be faith in those allies who have remained at least formally, and my faith in the integrity of GDP will be shaken.
    1. atalef
      atalef 19 December 2015 16: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: Sanya56
      If Russia agrees to this curse, then there will no longer be faith in those allies who have remained at least formally, and my faith in the integrity of GDP will be shaken.

      Do you think that Russia needs it? Save Assad or your interests in Syria?
      1. Gardener91
        Gardener91 21 December 2015 00: 29 New
        0
        And with Assad, the interests of the Russian Federation will be strengthened in Syria. But at what price, although you get used to everything. Your interests must be defended.
  43. sontinianin
    sontinianin 19 December 2015 16: 29 New
    0
    Not in the sense that we leaked everything, but in the fact that talking about it was tiring, and besides, we took out weapons, which means we have to shoot!
  44. potalevl
    potalevl 19 December 2015 17: 19 New
    +1
    What is the argument about? Lavrov clearly outlined Russia's position. Elections in Syria will be held only when peace comes there. Peace will come there only when ISIS and other bandits are destroyed. After defeating the bandits, a coalition government will first be formed. Over a period of time, this government will have to continue almost the same policy that the Assad government is pursuing today, that is, to preserve a holistic, secular, multi-religious state. Only if all of the above conditions are met will elections be held and the Syrian people will elect their leader. So that there can be no talk about any discharge. I think Assad will continue to be a leader.
  45. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 19 December 2015 19: 46 New
    0
    Quote: Gardamir
    Assad was already elected president a year ago, why should he again go to the polls in violation of the Syrian constitution?

    And the shitty West, headed by the SGA, doesn’t care at all about the Constitution of Syria, Libya, Afghanistan and then on the list! am
  46. shinobi
    shinobi 19 December 2015 20: 53 New
    0
    Reuters gives the wish for the reality. It lies in general. Further on the context, everything is about a year + 6 months in transition. So, the Monkeys simply transferred the decision of their Syrian batch to the shoulders of the next administration. In the card game "snoring" this is called breaking up with one's own. If the alignment were in favor of the United States, UN Security Council resolutions would be blocked.
  47. Victor-M
    Victor-M 20 December 2015 03: 01 New
    0
    Unnamed Reuters sources in diplomatic circles claim that the Russians "made it clear": they are ready to agree to the departure of Bashar al-Assad from the post of president of Syria.

    Unnamed Reuters sources in diplomatic circles say that the Americans "made it clear": they are ready to agree to the withdrawal of US forces from Western Europe, as well as the illegitimacy of the US government.
  48. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 20 December 2015 14: 59 New
    0
    If they had already conveyed their desires to the public and after that Russia would have given them some reason, yes, or if we had quietly left Syria and surrendered Assad, this is generally a shame for us and a jubilation for them. the option is a compromise in which one would not have to talk about the victory of one side. But at the same time, Russia will have to get what it stands for its interests in Syria. Options in which we could move back are not possible!
  49. Igor K-grad
    Igor K-grad 20 December 2015 22: 19 New
    0
    Here sometimes they talk about the possibility of some future “free elections” in Syria. Why, then, will not hold "free" elections in the faithful ally of the United States - Saudi Arabia, having previously legalized various political groups there? At the same time, from the most democratic motives, why in this same Arabia they still will not be given the right to labor migrants, at least to those who have lived there for 15-20 years, continuously working on the snickering Saudi-Arab sheikh loafers. In principle, this applies to the rulers of all the Arabian parasitic principalities.