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Social elevator as a panacea for modern problems of Russia, or How to remove those who are not with us

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Best start with a couple of definitions.




Social mobility is an opportunity to change the social stratum. The concept of social mobility is close in meaning to the concept of social elevator or career.

Social elevator is a concept similar to vertical mobility, but more commonly used in the modern context of discussing the theory of elites as one of the means of rotating the ruling elite.

Possible panacea for today's problems. In post-Soviet times there was such a thing as "stagnation". At one time, smart men explained to us for a long time, where we stagnated, but over time, the majority of these men played the role of traitors or simply bad people. And whether this was the most stagnant, hard to say.

But the fact that today in Russia there is a stagnation, it is not necessary to prove. From year to year in the power the same persons turn. And, if in the power of the legislature it is still somehow diluted, then in the executive one can even not give a damn. And so it is clear that he will fly to the representative of United Russia.

Stagnation for Russia is quite normal. Even Peter the Great successfully solved his problems precisely with the help of a social elevator, favoring the nobility for commoners who distinguished themselves in the sovereign service. And, by the way, it was these innovations that helped Peter solve staff shortages in many areas, including navy.

As an example of such an elevation, you can take history troop clerk Ivan Grigorievich Suvorov, who had made a hefty career under Peter, and had become the general troop clerk to receive the nobility, being inherited. It was the nobility granted by Peter that enabled his son Basil to receive a good education. And Vasily began as a batman at Peter Alekseevich. He finished his career as a general general. Well, and who became Alexander, is not to say.

And in the future, the history of Russia knows a lot of similar examples. With different emperors and empresses, the essence was the same - the influx of "fresh blood" contrary to established traditions. It is impossible not to recall Mikhail Lomonosov, and Stepan Makarov, and Nikolai Zhukovsky.

And the Stalin era, despite the many distortions, also quite effectively used this principle. Here examples may amount to thousands. It is precisely such cases, when the children of peasants and workers broke into the elite and worked for the good of their country, became something quite ordinary.

The boy-Cossack from the wilderness of the Kuban region (was such), having 3 education class and working as a postman, ends his life as a professor of the academy, colonel-general, Hero of Socialist Labor. Miracle? Yes. And the miracle that his thoughts were able to defeat the gurgling of the "great strategist" Tukhachevsky. This is me about Vasily Gavrilovich Grabin.

And what a miracle was the appearance of the son of the exiled fist from the Altai Territory? Seven classes of education, father on the settlement in the Tomsk region, the accountant in the depot of the station Matai of the Turkestan-Siberian railway. And a natural craving for technology. Zhukov, Blagonravov not just noticed. Now you can learn and work. Total? Mikhail Timofeevich Kalashnikov.

Or a Belarusian peasant who fused with his father a forest, with difficulty completing 7 classes, and then vocational school, and first becoming the director of a rural school, and then a thunderstorm and headache for the entire capitalist world in the USSR - is also a miracle? The miracle was called Andrey Andreevich Gromyko.

“You are right,” said Andrei Andreevich many years later to his son, “I became a diplomat by accident. The choice could fall on another guy from the workers and peasants, and this is already a pattern. Malik, Zorin, Dobrynin and hundreds of others came to diplomacy with me in the same way. ”

Thousands of examples. The essence is the same: the rulers (or leaders) had to pierce the established foundations. This did not always bring immediately positive results, it suffices to recall the cleaning of the Red Army by Stalin. Yes, they removed many of those who should have been removed. And some, like Tukhachevsky, were removed even later than it should have been. And while those who came to replace them retired and learned, the Germans stood near Moscow.

But the result is logical. And the result was May 1945 in Berlin.

Today’s day resembles both the time of Peter the Great with the absolute power of the boyars, and Stalin’s with the “old Bolsheviks”. Only instead of the boyars and the "old Bolsheviks" we have the "United Russia" that controls everything and everyone. Plus a bunch of not quite understandable "successful managers" in the government.

Often heard the wishes "to remove all." Medvedev, Nabiullina, Ulyukaeva. All But the question arises: who in their place? And how effective will those who come to replace them? Since no one voiced the candidacies, it is difficult to draw conclusions.

The Stalinist practice, when the battalion commander came to the place of the divisional division, showed all its flawedness exactly 22 June. Over the head do not jump. However, it is clear and understandable that the above-mentioned persons (according to the list), as well as frankly snickering mayors and governors, should be knocked out from their common lands.

Say is easy. Make - harder. Where to get three (and in fact much more) hundreds of specialists of this level? Functionals are dragging sons-daughters? Dragging Need to clean up? It is necessary. But it is necessary to remove not only the son-daughter. And first you need to figure out, is it really so bad, son? There have been precedents in history.

But, if the child really "does not pull", then it is necessary to remove not only him. And a child-loving dad, too. As well as daddy colleagues. For they will not really work, we can do it.

Do you understand what I mean?

It is about replacing thousands of people in the management apparatus. The question arises: where to get them?

In United Russia? Yes, I agree, the joke was a success. Rockers against drugs, bees against honey, officials against corruption. And arithmetic, which states that the sum does not change from the rearrangement of the places of the terms, has not been canceled. The same can be said about all these "Young Guards" and other seliger-lubricants. This footage for the "EP."

But changing the existing system is necessary. Okay, daughters and sons, sometimes things are generally anecdotal, if it were not so sad. As, for example, Alexey Vasilyevich Kamyshev was appointed the executive director of the Voronezh association of KBHA (these are engines for Angara, Soyuz, Proton, ICBM). Young (43 of the Year) effective manager.

Are you interested in what enterprises he showed himself? I was told by the staff of the KBKHA, who are still in shock.

Kamyshev made a career at CenterTelecom, where from a securities specialist he reached the branch director. The most necessary person in rocket science. And he began with what? That's right, with cost savings. That is, with layoffs and reductions.

If someone has questions like “Why is Proton again“ raised? ”, You will remember this information, okay? Because people with years of experience from s / n in 15-17 of thousands and with the prospect "We will now dismiss the excess, you will work for three, but for 30 thousand" somehow not in awe.

It’s like a single example of “effective managism” in Russia.

Stalemate situation? And no.

The output can be, oddly enough, ONF. As a basic platform for the initial running and validation of people. They, in principle, are engaged in this, only with reverse polarity. But in our realities thief is easier to find than a normal person. So there is something to work on.

It is difficult, but possible, to create a new system of promotion of personnel, independent of the "EP" and governors' apparatus. The main thing is that the information is not "lost". And given the opportunity to work in principle.

By itself, a social elevator has repeatedly rescued Russia and the USSR. But today's situation is perhaps more complicated than Peter the First was. He was abundantly enough for everything about all the pairs of regiments of archers, Catherine the Great was at all some cost-effective for the Transfiguration.

But you need to change the system. Personnel in Russia were, are and will be. And smart and (importantly) honest people will also be found. Formed and with the desire to get into these very "elite". Must be. And there is still where to look, not all collapsed yet.

By the way, one more example from the Russian history. I will not take the USSR, but in my Voronezh gubernia, who only did not care for in the mayoral and gubernatorial posts. Democrats and communists, former communists and underdemokrats. The result, however, was one. Lower and lower.

But there was one at dawn. Kovalev. By the way, in comparison with successors in general a specialist of the highest category. Perhaps because before the governorship led a large plant. By the way, the plant is still alive and well. Yes, Kovalev also had a carriage claim, but who came after him ... I don’t want to even remember.

Russia does not need effective managers, but engineers and business managers. Business executives - especially. Our farm is huge.

Complex issue. On the one hand, something must be somehow changed. On the other - not so simple. But you still have to start. While we really did not otnabiullilli and not sululyukali at all.

But today, and especially today, this issue must be approached with great care. Not in the sense of time, but in the sense of "measure ten times." We are able to cut. Sew-sew bad.

To think that brushing a couple of heads with a sword and everything will fall into place is criminal. It should be calm and balanced. Shorten the hands of the governors. Change especially ragged. And not just change, on the "people", but on the appropriately prepared. Same thing with the government. And also careful. For at this level with each replacement - as with a mine. In order not to explode.

Chubais just leave. For life. That was where to poke your fingers.

And shout "down with enemies" can be on the Internet. For down enemies - this is yes, it is necessary. But after “goodbye” to one, it would be necessary to say “welcome” to others.

That's the challenge for the future.
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  1. parusnik
    parusnik 18 December 2015 06: 41 New
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    To not explode...Without this you can’t ... surely explode .. New nuts on a rusty thread ..
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 18 December 2015 07: 38 New
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      Quote: parusnik
      So as not to explode ..

      Please note: the article is not posted on the profile site at all, right after Putin’s press conference and exactly 2 weeks after Putin’s “message to NA” ...
      All of this means "IT'S IMPOSED" and, it seems, is "pent up". Or does someone think that such materials appear at the behest of the author? It seems that Putin also realized that he was losing in the fight against the Edoras.
      But it’s too late: education and upbringing fell into the wrong hands (and how does Art. 13 of the Constitution on the prohibition of state ideology be interpreted differently? Exactly!), Consumerism has bloomed in a double color, office mold has become 2 times more than workers, and from brainless lawyers with economists You can build dams and fill up with sand.
      But it does not save: old career elevators got up in the 80s, new ones have not been built since then, and ONF is a good thing, of course, but this is a drop in the bucket, which has no way to change the klepto-corruption vertical. Putin is an excellent politician, but a worthless business executive, and technocrats are completely absent in the elite, but the ball is ruled by humanoids (or humanities, how right?) lol
      Until the humanoid tendency is broken, Putin will not see good luck ... crying
      1. Mik13
        Mik13 18 December 2015 07: 55 New
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        Quote: hydrox
        But it’s too late: education and upbringing fell into the wrong hands (and how does Art. 13 of the Constitution on the prohibition of state ideology be interpreted differently? Exactly!), Consumerism has bloomed in a double color, office mold has become 2 times more than workers, and from brainless lawyers with economists You can build dams and fill up with sand.

        Tell me, if tomorrow St. 13 is canceled, what ideology do you propose?

        Yes, by the way - since this question was suddenly raised - and where can I read what is the ideology that St. 13 prohibits? Still, this is a law - there must be a strict definition.
        1. Temples
          Temples 18 December 2015 09: 25 New
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          ABOUT! Roma calls for a change of leadership!

          It is about replacing thousands of people in the management apparatus. The question arises: where to get them?

          In United Russia? Yes, I agree, the joke was a success. Rockers against drugs, bees against honey, officials against corruption. And no one canceled the arithmetic, which states that the amount does not change from a rearrangement of the places of the terms. The same can be said of all these Young Guards and other Seliger lubricants. These are the frames for EP.

          But changing the current system is necessary.


          Do you own technology?
          Or curators tell me?
          Will he ban himself after these calls?
          Before this, the flags were canceled for everyone on the site.
          Now it suits the revolution.
          Strong !!!

          And what stories are touching-
          We all left the people, children of the working-class family!

          I didn’t forget about the boyars !!!
          It was the boyars of Petrushe who prevented the window from being cut into Europe !!!
          But what about beards ???
          Very dangerous for the reformers in Russia were beards !!!
          Petrunya understood that the whole strength of the opponents of civilized Europe in his beards !!! You need to cut them immediately!
          Novel story repeated!
          Why is there no call for a beard haircut ???

          We will destroy the whole world of violence, to the foundation !!!
          And then...
          It’s a pity only to live in this wonderful time
          I don’t have to either you ...

          The article is like a tantrum.

          Goodbye website.
          Have a nice day and good mood.
          And fewer revolutions and all kinds of lustrations in the heads.
          Take a look at Ukraine. There, too, there were plenty of exchangers.
          So they live happily now !!!

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          2. My doctor
            My doctor 18 December 2015 14: 06 New
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            Quote: Temples
            The article is like a tantrum.

            In the article I read about the need for social elevators in society, but did not find the basis on what this elevator will function. What is revolution again? Shoot everyone again? I am not exaggerating. All the places are occupied, this is a bummer, but you can still get there by walking over the heads of others. You yourself understand that breaking through from the bottom will be worse than the old-timers there. Where can the prerequisites for selecting the RIGHT candidates for places come from? Answer: this will never happen, in principle, this is impossible. Only motivated people who have their personal priorities from the very beginning, with absolutely no quality such as altruism, make their way. The only way out in this situation is to limit their appetite.
            Quote: Temples
            Goodbye website.
            Have a nice day and good mood.
            And fewer revolutions and all kinds of lustrations in the heads.
            Take a look at Ukraine. There, too, there were plenty of exchangers.
            So they live happily now !!!

            Do not get excited.
            1. Down House
              Down House 18 December 2015 20: 32 New
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              Quote: MyVrach
              ro the need for social elevators in society, but did not find the basis on what this elevator will function.

              So I didn’t find it either, and without it it’s not clear what exactly the author wanted request
              1. Mahmut
                Mahmut 21 December 2015 06: 10 New
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                Even Peter the Great successfully solved his problems precisely with the help of a social elevator, favoring the nobility to commoners who distinguished themselves in the sovereign service. And, by the way, it was these innovations that helped Peter solve the personnel shortage in many areas, including the Navy.

                Under Nicholas II, too, social elevators worked with might and main. Generals Alekseev, Kornilov from peasant families. They then led a conspiracy against the king. And the family of the Ulyanovs, who received the nobility from the tsar for their merits and otvetka, raised a sasha-regicide and Volodya-Russophobe. And the bear Gorbachev is an assistant to the combine processor by education and the Secretary General of the CPSU by position. Than not fresh blood for breaking stagnation.
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          3. skeptic31
            skeptic31 18 December 2015 19: 33 New
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            Yes, he does not call for anything. Typical for Roman form of presentation. It seems to be for, but after a very strange analysis, it is against. Those. first, relishing, he talks about how good it is to have a social elevator, and gives separate episodes confirming this. Then, without embarrassing herself, he proves that everything must be done calmly and carefully, in the sense that it is better not to do anything, since rushing can ruin the whole thing. Meanwhile, for 25 years now we have been seeing the same faces, not a single new face, an absolute historical record. The reformers in short pants have said so much about how bad it is when there are only old people in the leadership, but time passed, they already sat, and so what? Nothing, except for the new law, time is running out, according to which they can sit in their chairs for up to 65 years. Then a law will be passed that you can sit up to 70. Etc. And Roman will continue to write articles about the need to create a new system of personnel advancement, they have been creating (!?!) For 25 years, and also that it’s criminal to think that brushing off a couple of goals with a saber and everything will fall into place is criminal .
            1. Aleksandr Tot
              Aleksandr Tot 19 December 2015 00: 21 New
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              Skeptic, it’s criminal not to brush off a couple of goals, criminally brush it off, just in case you have time for analysis.
              What will happen if you do not blow your head, and that head will blow the state and the entire DEMO protection system.
              Are you ready to enter into not only rights, but also obligations (to be responsible) for the life of your subjects ?. If not, back off and don't get under your feet.
          4. Aleksandr Tot
            Aleksandr Tot 18 December 2015 23: 05 New
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            TEMPORARY, I am in the same place - in the earlier goodbyes to the site. Wandered by the developed algorithm for bypassing information resources.
            The design is better than the content and, sadly, the lack of emotional connection between the site’s symbols and the intellect, background, and load of verbal constructions of active participants.
            The “monkey and glasses” bike begs in connection with glasses with a grenade in the hands of those who know how to poke claudia, sow adolescent maximalism (infantilism) into the network, not understanding who and why gave them a grenade.
            1. Aleksandr Tot
              Aleksandr Tot 18 December 2015 23: 44 New
              +1
              Yes, after the topic.
              “But there is no need to prove that there is a stagnation in Russia today” (it’s not necessary, because there is no stagnation, but a revelry of brainwashing technologists stunned by crazy salaries.
              Enough from the skill set of gypsy hypnosis, linguistic zombies, knowledge about the hierarchy of genetic programs for the survival of HOMO, and here it is the desired amount in the account. One problem is that you need to think of yourself as unchallenged, be circumcised, not eat pork or have a document of jurisdiction. The list is not final.
              1. Aleksandr Tot
                Aleksandr Tot 19 December 2015 22: 16 New
                +1
                The answer to yourself. I am happy for myself. Exactly they ousted me. Hit the topic (topic) znach. Green-vineyards could not restrain themselves.
                So me, atu me. Survey me military!
          5. Angry orc
            Angry orc 20 December 2015 10: 33 New
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            they say about such people - I look in a book - I see a fig! Where did you see the calls for revolution? Let us then consider any discontent or criticism of the authorities as a call to revolution, then we will certainly live in ruin. The article not only talks about the problem, but also how to deal with it, if you do not see this problem or disagree with the way to solve it - I ask for reasoned criticism and not unfounded accusations
        2. Lev Leshchenko
          Lev Leshchenko 22 December 2015 01: 09 New
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          Quote: Mik13
          Yes, by the way - since this question was suddenly raised - and where can I read what is the ideology that St. 13 prohibits? Still, this is a law - there must be a strict definition.

          It is not ideology that is forbidden, as such: "No ideology can be established as state or mandatory."
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 18 December 2015 08: 08 New
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        A Cossack kid from the wilderness of the Kuban region ... And what a miracle was the appearance of the son of an exiled fist from the Altai Territory ... Or a Belarusian peasant who rafted wood with his father and hardly finished the 7th grade ...
        as inspired from childhood: Nikolai Nekrasov
        SCHOOLBOY

        - Well, he went, for God's sake!
        Sky, spruce and sand -
        A sad road ...
        Hey! sit down to me, my friend!
        Feet barefoot, dirty body,
        And barely covered chest ...
        Do not be ashamed! what's the deal?
        This is a many glorious path.
        I see a book in my bag.
        So, you go to study ...
        I know: dad on the little son
        He kept the last penny.
        I know: the old clerk
        I gave a quarter
        What a traveling merchant
        Presented for seagulls.
        Or maybe you're a yard
        Of those released? .. Well then!
        The case is also not new -
        Do not be timid, you will not be lost!
        You’ll soon find out at school
        Like an archangel man
        On their own and God's will
        He became intelligent and great.
        Not without good souls in the world -
        Someone will take to Moscow
        Will you be at the university -
        A dream will come true!
        There is already a wide field:
        Know work and don't be scared ...
        That's why you deeply
        I love, dear Russia!
        Nature is not mediocre
        That land has not died yet
        What deduces from the people
        Know so many glories,
        So many kind, noble,
        Strong loving soul
        In the midst of dumb, cold
        And pompous by yourself!
      3. Banshee
        18 December 2015 08: 54 New
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        Quote: hydrox
        Please note: the article is not posted on the profile site at all, right after Putin’s press conference and exactly 2 weeks after Putin’s “message to NA” ...


        Please note: this is not the first such article.

        Quote: hydrox
        Or does someone think that such materials appear at the behest of the author?


        Do you have any direct evidence to the contrary?
        I generally write only on my own. Which, in fact, does not suit many.

        Quote: hydrox
        It seems that Putin realized that he was losing the fight against the Edoras.


        I do not know, I did not communicate with him. But the fact that the edru must begin to fold the neck is like any head into which it is not only eaten. If you need Putin’s sanction to understand this moment, then I don’t.
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        2. Aleksandr72
          Aleksandr72 18 December 2015 11: 40 New
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          According to the old, but very relevant saying: "the fish rots from the head" ... "but they clean it from the tail."
          Who do you want to clean, and most importantly - who will be involved in these cleanings.
          To think that to swipe a couple of goals with a checker, and everything will fall into place, is criminal. It should be calm and balanced. Shorten the hands of the governors. Change especially burnt. And not just to change, to "national", but to suitably prepared. The same thing with the government. And also carefully. For at such a level with each substitution - as with a mine. To not explode.

          In principle, this idea of ​​the author is fair and quite sound. One caveat - where to get the "people's" and most importantly - trained governors (and not only them).
          The change of the ruling elite (rotation will not work - in the current realities, it will be the same eggs, side view) in modern Russia with its indefinitely capitalist system will result in a social revolution. "EdRo" with power just like that, for a healthy life you will not part. And what revolution is in Russia is well known from history - "rebellion is meaningless and merciless."
          It was possible the adoption of the Chinese path of elite interchangeability, while the ideological foundations of the political system remain unchanged (the CCP rules). But ... in Russia there is no ideology as such (see article 13).
          Only questions - and not a single answer. The author raised an interesting topic, it’s a pity the recipes for treating the disease have not yet been seen.
          Chubais just leave. For life. That was where to poke your fingers.
          - It’s also true, categorically support, for one ma-a-a-scarlet clarification - Leave Ryzhiy to jail for life, after having deprived him of everything that he had plundered from the people and the country.
          I have the honor.
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 18 December 2015 12: 38 New
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            Quote: Aleksandr72
            It was possible the adoption of the Chinese path of elite interchangeability, while the ideological foundations of the political system remain (PDA steers). But ... in Russia there is no ideology as such (see article 13).


            It’s a pity, it’s a pity that such an option was pointlessly missed ...


            "Only questions - and not a single answer"...

            That is the answers, but for some reason they all turn out to be radical ... But many (including me) do not want this ...

            PS And in addition, if we venture the internal troubles - then at the moment external enemies will tear us ... Everything, damn it, is interconnected ...
          2. Temples
            Temples 18 December 2015 12: 40 New
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            Roma, what did you delete my comment?
            Did not like?

            And call Kandelaki. )))

            Can there be only those who echo you?

            A rebel in your own kitchen?
            Who is not with me, that I will delete !!!

            Hero!!!
        3. Altona
          Altona 18 December 2015 12: 04 New
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          Quote: Banshee
          I do not know, I did not communicate with him. But the fact that the edru must begin to fold the neck is like any head into which it is not only eaten. If you need Putin’s sanction to understand this moment, then I don’t.

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          I agree with this thesis. The question is in the technology of changing the ruling class. But the fact that the situation has been mothballed must be admitted. Financial flows do not go to the development of the whole society, but through well-worn channels to enrich the elect, and the “chosen ones” do not want to get poor and transfer their costs to the whole society.
        4. kalibr
          kalibr 18 December 2015 18: 02 New
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          There is a wonderful way for a woman upstairs. The bust number and time to fall on your back ... And that’s it! Sooner or later, the upper hand is secured. There are examples too ...
      4. anfil
        anfil 18 December 2015 10: 31 New
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        hydrox (2) RU Today, 07: 38 ↑

        But it’s too late: education and upbringing have gone into the wrong hands (and how else does Article 13 of the Constitution decipher the prohibition of state ideology? Exactly!)


        Do you need one single ideology?

        Then it is necessary to abolish the multi-party system and, as in the old days, forward to the victory of communism or to something else, depending on the ideology of the ruling party. Deviation from ideology (a step to the side, a jump on the spot) is punishable by execution or 25 years without the right to correspond.
        Well then, God forbid, in VO, to say something against the existing ideology, immediately lifelong disconnection from the Internet.
        1. Cyclone
          Cyclone 18 December 2015 10: 42 New
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          And without it you absolutely can’t?
        2. veksha50
          veksha50 18 December 2015 12: 49 New
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          Quote: anfil
          Do you need one single ideology?



          Any (!!!) political ideology and any religion have the main initial goal - the conquest of the minds and hearts of a part of the population (people, if cynical - crowds) in order to manipulate its consciousness ... The applied value of achieving this goal is power (power) and wealth (again, strength) ...

          Even if the founders of some ideologies had in mind the achievement of the welfare of some part of the people, in the future their followers degenerated, and again saw the goal of power and wealth ...

          Pessimistic, isn't it ???

          But even anarchism - the freedom of everyone and everything from everything and everything - will never bring prosperity to anyone, but will bring only ruin ...

          Ideology is something that both the government and the people should strive for mutually ... And first of all, socio-economic problems must be solved that are mutually acceptable for both the government and the people ... And all this must be accompanied by the possibility of protecting the goals achieved from encroaching on her results ...

          All this is complicated ... Roman brought up such a topic that you won’t finish it in 5 minutes ... yes, what’s there for 5 minutes, centuries have been procrastinating on this topic, but there’s not much sense ...
        3. Pre-cat
          Pre-cat 18 December 2015 13: 51 New
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          What is needed is not ideology, but a national idea. And then we hang out like a flower in the hole. One tactic, no strategy. And now, under the national idea, you can change people in power structures.
          1. Altona
            Altona 18 December 2015 17: 49 New
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            Quote: Cat undereducated
            And now, under the national idea, you can change people in power structures.

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            In general, there is a universal criterion - to work for Russia, that is, to help strengthen the Russian state, its material base and the welfare of the population. The principle of working for the state is used by many countries.
        4. Down House
          Down House 18 December 2015 20: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: anfil
          Do you need one single ideology?

          And if you affirm it now, then only United Russia will remain.
      5. veksha50
        veksha50 18 December 2015 12: 08 New
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        Quote: hydrox
        Until the humanoid tendency is broken, Putin will not see good luck ..



        The creation of the ONF is already an attempt to take away part of the influence of the EP ... And if many of us become members of the ONF, and will support Putin (subject to this dispersal of this liberating) - maybe something will happen without a civil war ???

        PS But without repression - hardly ...
        1. Pre-cat
          Pre-cat 18 December 2015 13: 53 New
          +2
          You're right. Repression cannot be avoided. No one will voluntarily give up power or money.
        2. Altona
          Altona 18 December 2015 17: 51 New
          +2
          Quote: veksha50
          PS But without repression - hardly ...

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          Putin clearly replied: "now is not 37 years old ..."
      6. Down House
        Down House 18 December 2015 20: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: hydrox
        Putin realized that he was defeated in the fight against the Edoras.

        Did he really fight with the Party of Power? Why would he even fight her ?!
        Quote: hydrox
        otherwise, Article 13 of the Constitution on the prohibition of state ideology

        The word freedom is deciphered.
        Quote: hydrox
        and technocrats are completely absent in the elite, but humanoids rule the ball

        Yes, but in a post-industrial society it cannot be otherwise. Those who, besides the higher technical, and then the higher humanitarian received, understand why this is so.
        In general, it was not Putin who invented it, but Henry Ford.
        Ford and Stalin are 2 values ​​that have had a tremendous impact on the course of historical evolution - teach "humanities" too hi
      7. spiriolla-45
        spiriolla-45 21 December 2015 09: 19 New
        0
        Cadres decide everything. Here are the shots we have, Mother Russia has always been rich in this. It is necessary to clear the place where these shots will have to be attached, but for this we need the oprichnina (GPU, NKVD) or something like that, the Edorasts themselves will not leave.
    2. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 18 December 2015 07: 45 New
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      But the fact that today Russia has its own stagnation is not necessary to prove.
      - from an article by Roman Skomorokhov

      Well, it finally broke through. Yes, indeed the era of Putin's stagnation in Russia.
      Before that, there was Brezhnevsky, although whether it was stagnation, or according to a joke told by V.V. Putin's "about the black and white stripes of life", you can review that period and determine that then there was a "white strip", compared with the current "black strip" of life and development of Russia.
      And stagnation, as a rule, ends with a social explosion that carries unpredictable consequences. It is a pity that, judging by the statement made at a press conference by V.V. Putin, the authorities do not understand.
      An attempt to mothball the thieving "elite", plagued by mass corruption, and the predatory oligarchic social system will end badly for Russia.

      There is no "influx of fresh blood" in power structures?
      And where will it come from when the government artificially restrains the social and social activity of the people.

      To restore this "influx of fresh blood" into power and the "elite", it is necessary to return to the foundations of Soviet power, to recreate a broad public deputy corps of Soviets, which will allow the politically active population to come to power.
      To nominate in the leadership of enterprises and organizations, ministries not “managers” of a wide profile, hanging out here and there, but people who have been tested for years by work in production, in factory shops, design bureaus, so that we do not have such nominees who have neither life nor professional experience, like that of Prime Minister Dima Medvedev and his deputy Dvorkovich.
      But all this does not need modern power and the "elite", as this will inevitably undermine the foundations of the current "elite", the welfare of the current nouveau riche. Their well-being is more dear to them than the fate of Russia.
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      2. Cyclone
        Cyclone 18 December 2015 09: 17 New
        +1
        Do not be nervous gentlemen - Rem's attack aircraft, like himself, were also "one." And they also finished badly, like the one for whom they cleared the road. laughing


        Peter's times with the absolute power of the boyars

        foreign Kokuy Semyon-Preobrazhensky noble mafia with non-traditional sexual orientation and associates who joined it ...
        However, this did not stop them from introducing the right of the first night in the greater European part of the Russian Empire (which was not the case with the boyars and princes), and they called the people who rebelled against this lawlessness "Pugachevschina" and other bad words.
        1. Temples
          Temples 18 December 2015 09: 54 New
          -5
          Cyclone, you are talking about this on the wrong site.

          There is only a story from textbooks of the USSR.
          Well, or as maximum stories written by the Germans for the Romanovs.

          Cossacks are runaway slaves, boyars are enemies of the Russian people and similar "truth".
          So, be prepared for the red numbers and numbers.)))
          1. Cyclone
            Cyclone 18 December 2015 10: 12 New
            +1
            The suite makes the king. lol Starting from the "amusing" and until the Napoleon, they were not novels even by DNA.
            Then, as soon as the Kings were Russified, and they began to give the people free any rubbish because of this, they tried to kill them with the Families, beginning with the Decembrist Masons.
      3. Heritologist
        Heritologist 18 December 2015 12: 27 New
        +9
        Quote: vladimirZ
        There is no "influx of fresh blood" in power structures?
        And where will it come from when the government artificially restrains the social and social activity of the people.

        That's it! Many here like to whine: well, we’ll remove these, and who will we put in their place? And summarize - that there is no alternative to them ... And about the GDP (NashEverything) as well, no one understands it. He is one of us, caring, wise, knowing everything, understanding everything ...
        So where does this very alternative come from when any movements that are at least somehow threatening even the cosmetic redistribution of the old and frankly bastard (oligarcho-bureaucratic) system are suppressed and do not receive any development. Accusations of betrayal, the State Department, the 5th convoy immediately pour in ... Ugh. Patriots homegrown.
        EdRo is generally a Bogomers organization, whose rotten essence is visible to the naked eye. Overgrown with meat, fat, turned into a miserable, caricature semblance of the CPSU.
        My friend works in the pension system, she is a good specialist, she went on to increase ... So she was forced to join EdRo voluntarily-forcibly (she doesn’t share her views), otherwise she wouldn’t have any career growth. Sit understand and do not curry favor ...
        Many have long understood that the so-called the social elevator is open only to "devotees", and not according to the professional qualities of a person. That's the whole point.
        The powers that be have ceased even to be afraid of tension in society, apparently they believe that this is manageable ... Or maybe this is really so?
        1. Down House
          Down House 18 December 2015 20: 45 New
          0
          Quote: Heritologist
          oligarchic-bureaucratic

          It is precisely this system that operates in any capitalist society, and believe me, we have the influence of the "oligarchs" on the economy and society is still very, very weakly expressed.
          Quote: Heritologist
          Accusations of betrayal are pouring right there, State Department, 5th convoy

          So the fact of the matter is that in modern realities (and only he does not see them who are not interested in news about abroad), these accusations are absolutely justified!
          Quote: Heritologist
          otherwise no career growth.

          USSR heritage fellow
          Quote: Heritologist
          the social elevator is open only to "devotees", and not according to the professional qualities of a person.

          Nonsense! Social elevators are different, we have mainly “economic” ones, and business adheres to completely different political views and usually does not report to anyone and to devotion.
          Quote: Heritologist
          The powers that be have ceased even to be afraid of tension in society, apparently they believe that this is manageable ... Or maybe this is really so?

          Yes, in the 21st century, society is completely governed by political will in the country.
          1. Heritologist
            Heritologist 18 December 2015 22: 32 New
            +3
            Quote: Down House
            we have the influence of the "oligarchs" on the economy and society is still very, very weakly expressed.

            What...? Well, you give a pancake ...
            It is the economic interests of the oligarchy that are decisive in decision making, incl. and political decisions.
            Quote: Down House
            So the fact of the matter is that in modern realities (and only he does not see them who are not interested in news about abroad), these accusations are absolutely justified!

            In this situation, you can safely add me to the list of agents of the State Department. And where do I get a salary accidentally do not know?
            And best of all, learn to distinguish between fair and reasonable criticism, from the machinations of the State Department. Spy mania was bred here ... And meanwhile, the most important traitors are in plain sight.
            Quote: Down House
            Nonsense! Social elevators are different, we have mainly “economic” ones, and business adheres to completely different political views and usually does not report to anyone and to devotion.

            That's the whole point of the so-called. "business" merges with the state. Thus we get legalized theft, corruption and the very oligarchy.
            Quote: Down House
            Yes, in the 21st century, society is completely governed by political will in the country.

            The will of crooks and thieves.
            1. Down House
              Down House 18 December 2015 23: 42 New
              -2
              Quote: Heritologist
              It is the economic interests of the oligarchy that are decisive in making decisions

              Suppose, now let's think about how many people work directly for these "omnipotent and greedy" oligarchs and directly depends on their interests?
              Quote: Heritologist
              including and political decisions.

              Suppose, and now let's think again - how widely extend the political views and interests of these very "oligarchs"?
              Quote: Heritologist
              And best of all, learn to distinguish between fair and reasonable criticism.

              I distinguish - at least 95% of all criticisms on the Internet are unreasonable complaints about one’s financial situation or what other position — but every smith of his own happiness.
              Quote: Heritologist
              "business" merges with the state.

              This has always been so historically, for example, in South Korea and other countries of the region, almost the entire country and economy in general belongs to the Chaebols and this is not even hidden unlike the United States.
              Here, if there can be constructive discontent, it is only to the quality of the "business" itself - but not to the fact of the merger itself, it is inevitable and lies in the very nature of the State request
              Quote: Heritologist
              The will of crooks and thieves.

              The wills of their government corporations and so on and so forth.
              In extreme cases, the “cobblestone” is no longer an instrument of the proletariat, one BMP and the end of the whole Aurora - it must be understood that any “dialogue” with the authorities can now only be Constructive and Partnership or it will not exist at all - who understands this either in the EP or next to it they are either just balabolyat fellow
      4. kalibr
        kalibr 18 December 2015 18: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: vladimirZ
        they will surely return to the foundations of Soviet power, to recreate a broad public deputy corps of Soviets, which will allow the politically active population to come to power.

        You will fantasize what it was. It was this: ONE DELEGATE FROM THE PRE-PREVIOUS TIME AT THE EXITS, HE DRIVED HARDLY. EYES REDED FROM RED CAVIAR, SOUL BLACKED FROM BLACK ... This was sung in Soviet times so ... People, they felt their way!
      5. Down House
        Down House 18 December 2015 20: 39 New
        0
        Quote: vladimirZ
        recreate a broad public deputy corps of Soviets

        And it will be anarchy - without unity of command everyone will chat and do nothing - we have already passed this.
    3. Skif83
      Skif83 18 December 2015 08: 41 New
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      In Russia, without outside help it is rare when it "vomited." From outside help there are drugs in the form of FSB, etc.
      But other means are needed from internal misfortunes. First of all, we need a national idea, an ideology of creation, as you like, call it, but it should be, because only on the basis of it can strategic development of the state be planned.
      Tired, to be honest, these are the opuses: -
      Often heard the desire to "remove all." Medvedev, Nabiullina, Ulyukaev. All. But the question arises: who in their place? And how effective will be those who will succeed them?
      .
      What Russia has become poor in talents? That there are no conscientious executive people left?
      That's just on this click light wedge converged !?
      I repeat a hundred times, under Stalin, the country was raised twice from a more difficult state, after the most difficult wars, it was built in a shorter time and better!
      But this hackneyed deck, which has been hanging out for 15 and more years ...? What is created? What is built? Will we compare with Soviet times?
      This is all nonsense, there are worthy and competent people in the country, but one gets the impression that they are not needed up there, because these "gears" can start the car in the other direction.
      But what about the butlers and Shuvalovs, the great menagers (with emphasis on the last syllable), where would they go and how could poor Russia be without them?
      The same Dvorkovich, where and by whom did he work, what experience does he have? Yes, no, but he is engaged in the selection and training of personnel for public administration !!!
      Well, what pickers, such and frames.
      Or is it Nurgaliev that, with him, the Ministry of Internal Affairs achieved outstanding results? Yes, corruption and impunity in the Ministry of Internal Affairs only flourished in full growth.
      Taubretkin ..., lowered the army below the baseboard, now he is one of the directors of Russian Helicopters.
      Because we are stormy because the directors of furniture stores control us ...
      In order to nurture the national elite, you must first decide on a national idea and development strategy, the President must replace the highest level of management and personally oversee the selection of personnel. For the elite, the strictest framework must be in place; an official should not receive a salary thousands of times more than a nurse in a hospital or a worker at a machine tool ... etc. And they must answer based on the results of their tenure. The industry indicators have decreased or worsened, answer in full! And so, he ruined the army, and you were in a warm chair, and why should they be afraid then?
      It’s just that when we go to vote, we must remember that this government and the authorities didn’t surrender the stools, nurgaliyevs and others like them, i.e. “Corporate” interests are closer to them than the people! Those. is this power not native to us, and not even a cousin !?
      1. 34 region
        34 region 18 December 2015 10: 37 New
        +6
        In general, there is a suggestion. It’s like in football. The team lost the trainer out. How many coaches have already changed in sports? And in the upper echelons of leadership? I mean by the results of the work.
        1. Ivan_ich
          Ivan_ich 18 December 2015 11: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: 34 region
          In general, there is a suggestion. It’s like in football. The team lost the trainer out. How many coaches have already changed in sports? And in the upper echelons of leadership? I mean by the results of the work.

          The problem is that football does not get better from this.
      2. anfil
        anfil 18 December 2015 10: 59 New
        +2
        Skif83
        But this hackneyed deck, which has been hanging out for 15 and more years ...? What is created? What is built? Will we compare with Soviet times?


        Do you think this deck was hanging out or changing more often?



        Regarding the fact that this is done here:http://www.sdelanounas.ru/
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        2. summer
          summer 18 December 2015 11: 34 New
          12
          Citizens fellow Russians. Pay attention, be affectionate, to the content of the messages (information packages) of your media. It feels like we're at a matinee for the "children of the sun." Yes, with Down Syndrome. The First TV Channel lists important events for today - Spielberg’s birthday, B. Pitt’s birthday, singer’s birthday by Aguillera’s mouth, etc.

          What kind of broadcast country is this? Where did I go? It’s not possible to run directly into Putin, so we give an example of an erection of some kind of scientist journalism from the British fly. Parity restored.

          The conflict between the "information elite of Russia", represented by Kandelaki, with Mikhalkov is simply a breakthrough of pus from a long-ripened abscess.

          Your country is under siege, practically waging war. Including informational. And it is very significant that openly condom “persons” act as field commanders in it.

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          4. summer
            summer 18 December 2015 11: 53 New
            +5
            It turns out that the patriot Mikhalkov in this war is the fifth column. And from the first to the fourth, seventh, eighth, etc. - this is the "sixth" column - whom? Well, you guessed it, a little tea.

            On the screens there is one deck of greasy cards, from which they drop out only because of a) death, b) stroke, c) frankly irreparable age-related defects of the face, d) “there are only a few who can die”.
            Kodla Pugachevaivsevsevse ..
            They are replaced by "young talents"
            With characteristic manners of the goat Timur - the hero of our time. What is characteristic is the hero Timur, and not Cupid. And that one is just strong and stupid - a Russian vanka, sucker.


            and again, two in one

            Something, Something, Something, Something ??????????? 7
            These are fresh screenshots. It continues to rain.
            What nafig social elevators? There, thieves seized all the places.

            I’m not saying anything about the media in my habitat just because the abscess of the Russian media is still being treated with therapy, then for the gangrene of ukro-media it’s “execution by hanging”.
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            2. sa-ag
              sa-ag 18 December 2015 12: 29 New
              +1
              Quote: summer
              With characteristic manners of the goat Timur - the hero of our time. What is characteristic - the hero Timur

              hmm, but I thought "time of the goats" it was said about the 90s :-)
          5. anfil
            anfil 18 December 2015 14: 25 New
            +3
            The conflict between the "information elite of Russia", represented by Kandelaki, with Mikhalkov is simply a breakthrough of pus from a long-ripened abscess.


            It gave its results

            1. mervino2007
              mervino2007 18 December 2015 17: 54 New
              +2
              Yes, 700 thousand views of BesogonTV No. 38! We watched the most active. The effect of concealing the Kandelaki-Mikhalkov anti-Russian conflict by not showing this program showed: the leadership of our media (including TV channels) is covering up the anti-Russian, anti-people’s actions of their “accomplices”.
          6. summer
            summer 18 December 2015 18: 14 New
            0
            I ask you to forgive me for my involuntary pun.
            "Ryusky vanka" is Vanka Zhukov, and not that (well understood) - Ivan Andreevich himself.

            After all, in life he is by no means a sucker .. He did not go to the fifth column in suckers.

            And I really wanted to ..

            He replaced the previous gag of the famous Dagestan singer's mouth with the mouth of M. Tishman, which led to the withering of the page on Wiki of the last mentioned subject.

            "Leaves of leaves" flew off in the 11th year. But Mark Iosifovich’s page still covers 5 pages of candidates for MEMBERS of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee of the sample one thousand eight hundred and ninety-three, caliber 7,62 R.

            There is not only a schedule of visits by a subject to the toilet with costing of consumables. Just love and respect for oneself, beloved, have "some civilian" borders. This is dimensionless as a “failure repair”.
          7. Down House
            Down House 18 December 2015 20: 54 New
            +1
            Quote: summer
            The First TV Channel lists important events for today - Spielberg’s birthday, B. Pitt’s birthday, singer’s birthday by Aguillera’s mouth, etc.

            There is MUCH MUCH GOING ON Channel One - including entertainment programs.
      3. Konstantin Yu
        Konstantin Yu 18 December 2015 11: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: Skif83
        Just when we go to vote, you need to remember

        You do not tell me who was worthy in those elections? ..and about the merits of competitors, rescuers in the studio .... I think the question is in the worthy staff themselves and in the media. Not only negativity, nightmare-type people all thieves, morons, but also about the successes of sensible business executives ...
        About Peter .. I'm sure that pro-Western reforms have a downside, Destruction of Slavic spirituality, culture ... starting with beards ... But let the sleek image of a reformer remain in the memory of schoolchildren.
      4. nils
        nils 18 December 2015 12: 45 New
        +5
        Quote: Skif83
        In order to nurture the national elite, you must first decide on a national idea and development strategy, the President must replace the highest level of management and personally oversee the selection of personnel.


        Within the framework of this liberal-democratic system, do you want to introduce another “national” idea? Naive! What is the system - such are the personnel. The president is no exception.
        1. yuriy55
          yuriy55 19 December 2015 03: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: nils
          Quote: Skif83
          In order to nurture the national elite, you must first decide on a national idea and development strategy, the President must replace the highest level of management and personally oversee the selection of personnel.


          Within the framework of this liberal-democratic system, do you want to introduce another “national” idea? Naive! What is the system - such are the personnel. The president is no exception.


          You do not make fun of the messages, but to begin with, voice your understanding of the existing liberal democratic system. Your national idea ... Can you? what

          And so, our government was not able, under the strict guidance of the party of thieves, to voice all this. And when it began to bake from all sides, they threw themselves into the arms of the cheers-patriots, who only insist that "who is not with us is against us." And they’re poking around on all the vast expanses, starting from the Crimea and ending with Vladivostok, proving their professional suitability. Only between the above territories and Moscow, slightly less than 130 million people live in the rest of the Russian space. They, too, will be happy to accept the changes, at least in the creation of jobs, enterprises where it will be possible to earn a living ...
          What do you personally offer? Execution can not be pardoned (,)?
          I suggest starting to cut back on the principle of the easiest retirement (after 60-65 years). So that they do not entertain themselves with the illusory hopes of "they lived happily ever after and died in one day at the workplace."
          I propose to expel from work without the right to place in government agencies those who do not show anything outstanding, whose name has become a household word. And especially presumptuous in accordance with the adopted (?) Article 20 of the UN on corruption, leave in what they came to the civil service.

          Do you know what scariest organizations scared developed socialism in the USSR? KGB and OBHSS ... yes
          This is because they actually watched, checked and punished ... Up to the separation of the offenders with the "opportunity to breathe and enjoy" ... And there was no mass theft, as there were no state accounts in foreign banks and real estate abroad. And these figures lived in the cities with us, traveled along the same streets, rested in the Crimea with us, taking care of their surroundings and the environment ... yes

          So, we wish modern Russian leaders a happy life with us for measurable incomes with our income in our native country ...
          hi
      5. veksha50
        veksha50 18 December 2015 12: 56 New
        +5
        Quote: Skif83
        there are worthy and competent people in the country, but it seems that there, above, they are not needed, because these "gears" can start the car in the other direction



        !!!

        Key message ...
      6. kalibr
        kalibr 18 December 2015 18: 10 New
        +2
        On the one hand there were immigrants from the people of Lomonosov and Kalashnikovs, on the other Vlasov, Nurgaliyev and Taburetkin ... Where to get the aristocrats of the spirit in the 4-th generation?
      7. Down House
        Down House 18 December 2015 20: 51 New
        -1
        Quote: Skif83
        I repeat a hundred times, under Stalin, the country was raised twice from a more difficult state, after the most difficult wars, it was built in a shorter time and better!
        But this hackneyed deck, which has been hanging out for 15 and more years ...? What is created? What is built? Will we compare with Soviet times?

        Yes, you repeat at least 1000 times that under Stalin and Putin there are radically different goals for the leadership - under Stalin, “industrialization at any cost” under Putin is mainly an increase in the standard of living of the population, mainly due to business.
        At the same time, it is NOT POSSIBLE to raise the standard of living and to carry out "industrialization" in a country without colonies - because "industrialization" is NOT POSSIBLE without tens of millions of proletarians living in barracks and working for 24 hours!
        1. Heritologist
          Heritologist 18 December 2015 22: 51 New
          +4
          Quote: Down House
          under Stalin, "industrialization at all costs" under Putin, mainly raising the standard of living of the population

          Holy thing!
          I believe in "raising the standard of living of the population" of some of the chosen ones.
          1. Down House
            Down House 19 December 2015 00: 55 New
            -1
            Quote: Heritologist
            I believe in "raising the standard of living of the population" of some of the chosen ones.

            What confuses you here?
            People in similar positions in private companies earn no less, and the number of wealthy people in Russia is clearly not limited to the Forbes list.
            1. yuriy55
              yuriy55 19 December 2015 03: 51 New
              +5
              Quote: Down House
              Quote: Heritologist
              I believe in "raising the standard of living of the population" of some of the chosen ones.

              What confuses you here?
              People in similar positions in private companies earn no less, and the number of wealthy people in Russia is clearly not limited to the Forbes list.


              Believe me, no embarrassment ... Nothing personal ... Just to earn that kind of money, you need to create this campaign with your own hump, and not on someone else’s, and not run through the privatization deal with the filing of the “redhead” with the connivance of the “drunk” and Do not buy dumped state property left over at dumping prices.

              By the way. A progressive income taxation scale could somewhat equalize the difference and smooth out the excitement of the electorate ...
              hi
    4. Ivan_ich
      Ivan_ich 18 December 2015 11: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: parusnik
      To not explode...Without this you can’t ... surely explode .. New nuts on a rusty thread ..

      Ukrainian Maidan served as a good vaccine for Russia from various abscesses. Enough of us revolution. Another medicine needs to be raised ...
      1. IS-80
        IS-80 18 December 2015 12: 04 New
        +4
        Quote: Ivan_ich
        Ukrainian Maidan served as a good vaccine for Russia from various abscesses. Enough of us revolution. Another medicine needs to be raised ...

        What, dear are you our pharmacist?
        1. INTER
          INTER 18 December 2015 15: 58 New
          +6
          The article touches on many realities of our time, what is needed and how to solve the problem. But, reality unfortunately differs from the best option. I am writing about this as a fortunately former municipal employee who worked for about 3 years in a provincial area. And the district administration is a small model of a large apparatus. I’ll tell you by my example that I was offered a job and worked, there were results, the district took prizes for three years in a row in terms of social rates. economic development, they developed the best invest passport, etc. They promised me as a young specialist a lot right up to the head of the department, but they promised so far that he didn’t quit. And the boss was a close man who did not know where the cat button is located. turn on the computer. So, I went through all this and frankly, in Russia there is no place for sensible, economic, honest officials. Or not yet. And if you will be so, you will have a lot of enemies, because you will be objectionable to the old system, where corruption, cohesion, blat triumph, I’m the boss you.
          So tell me, how can a person be, for example, the Minister of Construction if he has not mixed 3-10 cubic meters of concrete or the Minister of Agriculture, who does not know how to mow Russian grass and does not mow a couple of hectares in his life, or the Minister of Industry who does not stood behind the lathe for at least a year ?????????????????????????
          In Peter's times, it was precisely these people (who knew their job) who occupied key places, and now ?? Some sissies in white shirts! Peter himself was a carpenter, shipbuilder, sailor, etc. This is the state success!

          Something like this! He also contributed to the discussion of the issue! what
        2. Ivan_ich
          Ivan_ich 19 December 2015 08: 24 New
          0
          Quote: IS-80
          Quote: Ivan_ich
          Ukrainian Maidan served as a good vaccine for Russia from various abscesses. Enough of us revolution. Another medicine needs to be raised ...

          What, dear are you our pharmacist?

          My dearest. The site of pharmacists has a different address. This discussion is about state policy. Politics is about people. People are the cure. If you are not able to understand very literal metaphors, I can only sympathize. Read more smart books and then such comments will not be a mystery to you.
      2. yuriy55
        yuriy55 19 December 2015 03: 55 New
        0
        Quote: Ivan_ich
        Quote: parusnik
        To not explode...Without this you can’t ... surely explode .. New nuts on a rusty thread ..

        Ukrainian Maidan served as a good vaccine for Russia from various abscesses. Enough of us revolution. Another medicine needs to be raised ...


        Why grow it (?) When it is invented:
    5. Down House
      Down House 18 December 2015 19: 02 New
      0
      Quote: parusnik
      New nuts on rusty threads

      Of course, it’s nice to read such artistic metaphors, but if you distract from poetry, what exactly did you mean? hi
  2. Mik13
    Mik13 18 December 2015 06: 44 New
    +2
    But Suvorov, it turns out, is also from the Peter nobility? Did not know.
    1. PPL
      PPL 18 December 2015 08: 05 New
      12
      Father A.V. Suvorov - Vasily Suvorov, was the godson of Peter I. And he really rose to the rank of General-General.
  3. 24rus
    24rus 18 December 2015 06: 45 New
    +1
    Maybe you need a plan, a doctrine on the rise of the economy and industry. As after the Second World War. Lure commercial managers of business executives into these state structures and nationalize the raw materials industry.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 18 December 2015 07: 42 New
      +8
      Humanitarian hucksters "reforging" into technocrats, business executives ???
      Have you decided to mock common sense?
      1. AlNikolaich
        AlNikolaich 18 December 2015 08: 40 New
        +9
        Quote: hydrox
        Humanitarian hucksters "reforging" into technocrats, business executives ???
        Have you decided to mock common sense?

        And why do you doubt the presence of technocrats in businessmen? A normal commercial company implementing programs for the sale of sophisticated equipment, Internet services and telecommunications has very serious engineering personnel! Otherwise, her work is doomed to failure! Indeed, a business man, a technocrat, is now more likely to be found in commercial structures than in state sectors! There, real money is paid for professional work, and other nishtyaki, such as apartments, official transport, and other things. The question is how to lure people from there?
        1. Banshee
          18 December 2015 09: 02 New
          +9
          Quote: AlNikolaich
          And why do you doubt the availability of technocrats from merchants?


          Yes, a shaft of examples.
          http://www.tese.ru/

          Absolutely private factory. We started with drive belts, today - the largest manufacturer of spare parts for agricultural machinery and equipment itself. Are there bad managers?
        2. 34 region
          34 region 18 December 2015 10: 40 New
          +4
          How to lure? And how was they lured into the army? What are bad social guarantees and good salaries?
      2. Down House
        Down House 18 December 2015 20: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: hydrox
        Have you decided to mock common sense?

        You look at the economic indicators of other countries, from the USA to Japan - there, thanks to Ford’s grandfather, they exclusively manage the production of hucksters.
        And this is not to say that it is so, but it just works too!
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 18 December 2015 12: 07 New
      +7
      Quote: 24rus
      Maybe you need a plan, a doctrine on the rise of the economy and industry. As after the Second World War. Lure commercial managers of business executives into these state structures and nationalize the raw materials industry.

      To begin with, it would not be bad to make changes to the provision on public service, where it is mandatory to fix the concept of rotation. From the head of the ROVD, the district prosecutor, the judge, the heads of municipalities and the head of departments, to change places every 3-5 years with neighboring regions, so that they do not have overlapping interests that generate mutual responsibility and corruption interests. If you are a servant of sovereigns, then be kind enough to serve where the state determines your place. For this, they and salaries are high and pension payments for public service are not frail. And then they for 10-15 years of "single" service turn into local princes more protecting their interests than the interests of the sovereign.
      They begin to hang out, then they begin to observe the law to watch each other with apprehension. And the governors should be assessed by the number of jobs created and investments attracted, so as not to be distracted by thoughts about how to cut the budget. There is no increase in production and economy in the region - go for free bread. Then they will begin to move their vertical to the very bottom.
      In short, it is possible to resolve the issue, there would be a desire.
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 19 December 2015 04: 02 New
        0
        Thank! Pleased ...

        I would still introduce age norms and TRP norms to them ... Can't you move? Move the move ...
  4. apro
    apro 18 December 2015 06: 52 New
    13
    The educational system, the management system, the personnel selection system, the ideological system wins, and if it is not there, then no matter what kind of prodigy a specialist will be, by and large there will be no sense. Today, Russian systems are destroyed and are not capable of updating and regulating themselves. In the USSR, the communist The IVS Stalin system proved to be effective, but the communist system of Khrushchev led to the breakdown of 91 years. There were outstanding people, but the IVS Stalin system demanded them and made it possible for self-realization and, most importantly, to work for society. The new creators who are in demand today need a big question for today's system. Social elevators today this is some kind of enticement, due to the inappropriateness of the system of self-purification and resolving issues in favor of society.
  5. knn54
    knn54 18 December 2015 06: 53 New
    30
    In the social elevator in the country, the youth rises, whose dad owns the elevators.
    1. Kuzyakin15
      Kuzyakin15 18 December 2015 07: 07 New
      +7
      Quote: knn54
      In the social elevator in the country, the youth rises, whose dad owns the elevators.

      That's for sure. This is already the law, in all areas in Russia. And as it’s already little to believe that changes in the positive direction are possible
    2. sa-zz
      sa-zz 18 December 2015 07: 19 New
      13
      For several years, a presidential program was in place (it seems to have ended already) on the training of managerial personnel, the great thousands have unlearned, but I do not see where they are.
      What was all this about?
      From my environment, no one "pulled" anywhere, like capable guys - without bad habits, patriots. The riddle. It's a shame pancake
    3. hydrox
      hydrox 18 December 2015 07: 45 New
      22
      This is not an elevator, this is a family contract at the trough in action.
    4. Down House
      Down House 18 December 2015 21: 02 New
      0
      Quote: knn54
      In the social elevator in the country, the youth rises, whose dad owns the elevators.

      It has always been and will be, called "Intergenerational Mobility" - just in the subject of the article.
    5. yuriy55
      yuriy55 19 December 2015 04: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: knn54
      In the social elevator in the country, the youth rises, whose dad owns the elevators.

      What can you object?
  6. Same lech
    Same lech 18 December 2015 07: 04 New
    11
    The novel raised an urgent problem for our country and it must be solved as soon as possible ... unfortunately at the press conference yesterday the head of state gave a clear answer ... so there will be no evolution in the economy.
    There will be stagnation with a predicted result
    1. Banshee
      18 December 2015 09: 03 New
      +5
      The problem is that it cannot be solved as soon as possible.
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 19 December 2015 04: 21 New
        +1
        In the shortest possible time, only three problems can be successfully solved: catching fleas, diarrhea, and adultery with someone else's wife ...

        But the first steps are necessary. Because all-continuing impunity ensures the birth of mass permissiveness ...

        Maybe even among our grain messages, at least some of the non-empty ones will grow ...
        hi
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 December 2015 07: 08 New
    11
    Fresh blood has always been needed in economics, management, science and education. It’s just really hard to break into the current “Lomonosov” in the elevator that goes up. The trouble is that he will not even be taken to the convoy that is going to Moscow. And in the administrative apparatus it has long been necessary to carry out cleaning. Why were there such purges (re-statistics) in the army and police, and all of them do not reach the top and middle level officials.
    1. moskowit
      moskowit 18 December 2015 08: 16 New
      +8
      Because in the power departments these "purges" were carried out with the filing of these same officials. Under the resounding slogans of the struggle, it’s with that ..., then with that ... They also clean out those who pose a danger to the apparatus. And to clean the officials you need either the party control committee (CCP), headed by such as Mehlis ... or a kind of "oprichnina", which in principle gives only a temporary improvement in the situation. The official "hydra" begets itself.
      1. creak
        creak 18 December 2015 11: 09 New
        +2
        Quote: moskowit
        or party control committee (CCP) led by such as Mehlis


        And the party control committee from which party? Again from the same "United Russia" (or the CPSU is reanimating) - well, well, as they say the same eggs, only ... And non-partisan how will this committee control?
        And which controller from Mehlis was shown, for example, by the Kerch catastrophe of 1942, where he was a representative of the Stavka ... Only because of his proximity to the leader they didn’t put him nose to the wall, like other generals, and Stalin only with a bang removed Mehlis from the post of chief Glavpur and lowered the rank by two steps ...
        And in the future, as a member of the Military Council of a number of fronts, Mehlis did not show any special talents, except for slander at the Center, he was a master at that ... But we lack him now ... God save us from such controllers .. .
        PS By the way, Mehlis never headed the CCP, but was the Commissar of State Control, and this is far from the same ...
        1. kotvov
          kotvov 18 December 2015 13: 33 New
          +1
          And the party control committee from which party will be? Again from the same "United Russia" ,,
          yes at least from the NF. alternative to all these ,, parties ,,
          1. moskowit
            moskowit 18 December 2015 17: 51 New
            +1
            No need to take it literally. Just a supervisor. If you want the Areopagus of decent, honest people .... Ethics Committee, if you want. Only endowed with serious powers ...
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            3. yuriy55
              yuriy55 19 December 2015 04: 31 New
              0
              Quote: moskowit
              No need to take it literally. Just a supervisor. If you want the Areopagus of decent, honest people .... Ethics Committee, if you want. Only endowed with serious powers ...


              I don’t know why no one approved? And you need to name it:
        2. moskowit
          moskowit 18 December 2015 17: 49 New
          +2
          You, Victor, have some kind of narrow-mindedness. You perfectly understand what I mean. We just need people for whom the importance of the cause does not obscure the soul of the "golden calf", who, indeed, state affairs are higher than thoughtless accumulation ...
        3. moskowit
          moskowit 18 December 2015 18: 13 New
          0
          Let me give you a moment of your attention. Already about the declared character. Apparently, you didn’t have the time to familiarize yourself with the duties of the Members of the Military Council of the Fronts and Armies, where the qualities of military leaders were completely optional. Although they had had general ranks since January 1943, they were engaged in purely political and rear functions. They also controlled the supply of fronts and armies to everyone, which ensures their combat capabilities. A. that some commanders could not deliver Colonel-General Mehlis L.Z. in his official framework, this only proves their conformism ...
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          2. creak
            creak 18 December 2015 19: 23 New
            +2
            Quote: moskowit
            You, Victor, have some kind of narrow thinking


            It is a great honor for me that such a person as you, Nikolai Ivanovich, drew attention to my humble comment. Your horizons, presumably, will be wider than mine, but nevertheless I dare to notice something ...
            Ethics Committee - here we need the Criminal Code and its rigorous application regardless of the person, and not moral authorities like Academician Likhachev, sitting in some kind of areopag ... Today we have all sorts of services and bodies that have more than enough authority, we need only the political will to apply them, and not yet another office (ethics is not from this opera - but Vaska listens and eats - remember)?
            As for the responsibilities of the PMCs, I got acquainted with them when I served ... And when I talked about such an odious figure as Mehlis, I think you also had no time to get acquainted with Stalin's unflattering remarks about him, about his role in the Kerch disaster - they Now it’s in the public domain, I won’t repeat them (he already knew Mehlis as flaky) - read, I think you have gaps in this regard ..
            And the last - being a PMC of a number of fronts, Mehlis, instead of his direct duties, was engaged in denunciations and squabbles - so he sometimes did not have time for another ...
    2. Heritologist
      Heritologist 18 December 2015 13: 06 New
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Why in the army, police such purges (re-statistics) were

      All these purges are for chickens to laugh. So visibility, dusting in the eyes, the illusion of transformation ... Specifically, according to the police, the people who worked on the ground were reduced and retired, and the command, personnel and bureaucratic apparatus did not go away.
      T.N. "reform" has done more harm than tangible benefits. IMHO.
  8. Sirocco
    Sirocco 18 December 2015 07: 12 New
    19
    Yeah, a difficult task. What to do in such a situation as described, immediately and there are no proposals.
    Today resembles the times of Peter the Great, with the absolute power of the boyars, and the Stalinist, with the "old Bolsheviks"

    It just reminds that something is not heard, the names and surnames of the boyars, in the modern army, politics, and the scientific community. But often we hear the names of these children, in the reports of accidents, accidents, showdowns in clubs, and shootings.
    I wonder if the GDP has a team on which he can rely, and we, as voters, entrusted him to run the country? Will the representatives of his team be able to continue the work of Putin further, after his departure (God forbid) as it was during the years of the Union ??? In connection with what is given in the article, no. For I do not see the gestures of these Boyars, towards the population and voters. All of their loved ones are baked, but not about the state.
    We go further.
    About reduction, optimization and theft.
    And he began with what? Right, with cost savings. That is, with layoffs and cuts.

    I can say about the Russian Railways, where the reductions look very strange, they cut the hard workers, but the engineers and technicians are increasing, the remaining hard workers are hanging the work cut, for a penny (KOPECHNY) bonus. But do not forget about yourself. According to the teacher from the training center, Russian Railways, rolls down in the 90s, despite the frequent inspections, the situation worsens, injuries increase.
    In short, the road was torn apart, either in SKA, or in what private hands, you won’t find the last one, these private traders cut their salaries, save on slaves, but babosi and material values ​​are stolen without hesitation. Even now.
    Well. How to be and where are we going? The most important thing to do, I can’t imagine.
    With such “Boyars”, the situation is not far from Ukraine. You cannot go far on patriotism alone, and you won’t be full. So I'm in deep sorrow. request
    1. Quager
      Quager 18 December 2015 09: 48 New
      +5
      In Russian Railways, epic kickbacks are still what checks ...
    2. minus
      minus 18 December 2015 10: 55 New
      +8
      About Russian Railways ... A month ago, I spoke with a friend who works in Russian Railways ... South of the Krasnoyarsk Territory ... New equipment arrived, but it was handed over to some structural unit that deals with its maintenance and repair. Now the units that use it are paying crazy money for renting this equipment ...
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 18 December 2015 13: 28 New
        +3
        A new equipment came, but it was transferred to some structural unit that deals with its maintenance and repair. Now the units that use it are paying crazy money for renting this equipment ..


        Either you misunderstood, or your comrade. In the Russian Railways system, no one pays a rent. The problem is that there is a separation of operation and repair. In the same depot there are two administrations, one - PM (operation), the second - TMX-Service. And here it’s really for the same spare parts that they used to when they are repairing, they are fighting wild money.
        1. IS-80
          IS-80 18 December 2015 14: 21 New
          +3
          Quote: alicante11
          The problem is that there is a separation of operation and repair.

          What's the problem? Everything is according to Stalin-Wasserman with its MTS and collective farms. And in theory, everything should be fine. Well, or according to Gaidar, competition, the invisible hand of the market and other fabulous miracles.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 19 December 2015 07: 56 New
            +3
            The problem is that MTS serviced several collective farms and received new equipment, and service locomotive depots were created simply stupidly on the basis of repair shops of the former main locomotive depots and use the same equipment. But at the same time, the managerial staff is 2 times larger.
  9. Neophyte
    Neophyte 18 December 2015 07: 15 New
    +3
    Professor Savelyev, has long proposed a brain-cerebral sorting! Managers, athletes, scientists, etc., could make Russia a world leader!
    However, the authorities are afraid of such an offer, and suddenly they will be out of work?
  10. Vital1
    Vital1 18 December 2015 07: 18 New
    24
    While there will be no patriots in the literal sense of the word who will work for the motherland and for the benefit of the people, like the great human being Stalin, there will be nothing in our country. A small example: in the 30s, in order to reduce state spending, he reduced the state apparatus and their salaries. The People's Commissar of the NKVD had a salary of 3500, and a miner to a maximum of 8000 rubles. So now compare how their salaries diverge from the miners. I found an interesting interview 1980-81, 1989. People's Commissar of Agriculture (1938-1958) Benediktov I.A. Quote: “1. Yes, mistakes were made, miscalculations were made, one could not do without them in any case. But the truth is that in the 30s such errors were made incomparably less than today, and the climate in science was more healthy, creative and, if you like, moral. At least then the true scientists did the weather, today mediocrity and mediocrity created an atmosphere in which true scientists simply suffocate. I judge, of course, by agricultural science, but the situation is almost the same everywhere .

    Dozens, hundreds of useless institutions working for themselves, millions of loafers, beating pimples for days on end, monopoly clans of "celebrities" who divided science into spheres of influence and united efforts only to deal with talented "strangers" - that’s to you a real, not a leaf picture of today's science, which, of course, is “free” from the Stalinist “violence and dictatorship”! And try an honest man to clean up at least some order here, to clean up the scientific spheres from parasitic elements, any trash - immediately screams to the whole world: guard, return to 1937, vicious and condemned methods of "cult"!
    1. Down House
      Down House 18 December 2015 21: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: Vital1
      The People's Commissar of the NKVD had a salary of 3500, and a miner to a maximum of 8000 rubles.

      Well, enough fairy tales - well, not a single person then, except for the mentally ill, will go then instead of calm work of a miner to go to a firing people's commissar!
      Therefore, it must be understood here - God forbid that 8000 out of 1000, one miner also received that “Stakhanov”, and the People’s Commissar is guaranteed, in addition to “3500” and “state transfer”, and chauffeurs and servants and private schools and a private plane for “minvody” 5 times a year laughing
  11. Reducer
    Reducer 18 December 2015 07: 36 New
    14
    Without a change of course, a declaration to the surviving population of the coherent goals of the state, a national idea, and practical evidence to the declared — NO WILL.
    In the meantime, the scheme: Putin - throws advertising slogans (people already come up with delight), Dimka - saws up unfinished (10% are happy - remember Leninsky "we need 10% of the Russian population" from the time of war communism. That's the irony of fate!)
    1. Former
      Former 18 December 2015 11: 13 New
      +7
      +100500! Entirely and fully support!
      The people are tired of the notorious "KhPP" (Putin's cunning plan), tired of the "Cult of the Personality" of the Great and the Mighty (Stalin nervously smokes on the sidelines).

      He wrote more than once:
      - Turn to the people, explain what and how and why, just ask:
      -Muzhiki, this shnyaga happened, you need to DO, sorry for the jambs.
      The answer is, WE WILL DO!

      But all these are silly dreams.
      The "government" does not need literate people who care for the cause and people — those who are now in power, like a scab that has dried up on an open festering wound — take it away will hurt, but it will heal and there may even be no scars!

      And on the topic ...
      Business executives, competent techies, a dime a dozen!
      I repeat again
      -Take in the "managers" of those with whom I went through 8 oil and one gas field, take in the heads of our ACS engineer, Nikolai, who not only is well versed in his business, but also "forgive", "prick" any looking at the ranks and ranks.

      Well, do you want to raise Industry?
      There is such a man in our “oil industry” who will raise any construction project, any business!
      Rude and harsh (God forbid he fell under the hot hand!), But if he gets down to business, he will build anything!

      Many people know him well - Alexander Nikolaevich Ermolaev (grandfather Yermolai), although he is already old (over 70), but CAN!
  12. Riv
    Riv 18 December 2015 07: 51 New
    19
    The arguments of the author are ridiculous and naive.
    Remember Clown Nikulin? Well, he still starred in The Diamond Arm. Incidentally, he fought on the Leningrad Front. In the war from the first day to the last. He has very interesting memories of the pre-war army. The chief arrives with a check and gives completely meaningless commands to the exercises. The soldiers know the Charter by heart, but the commander of the unit in the arrangement walks in his underpants. During a sudden check, a drunken clerk in a zyuza is poked under a car and he receives gratitude from the divisional commander: "One in all part is busy with business." And during the war, the command of the unit changes and the anti-aircraft battery begins to fight perfectly. Whereupon gouging and inability disappear.

    That is, it is useless to wait for a breakthrough in a responsible post to make a breakthrough. It must be changed. Even if the colonel is a lieutenant, it will not be worse. It's not about the managers, but at those who appoint them.
    1. Moore
      Moore 18 December 2015 08: 35 New
      +8
      The example of Nikulin shows something different than just a declaration of the fact of the need to replace "bad" with "good".
      It’s just that with the outbreak of the war, the external conditions essentially changed - “peacetime commanders” with their “economy” and “what are you willing to do?” steel is not just not needed - it is harmful steel.
      The same thing now: for the First, the external conditions have not changed in such a way that the fact of the presence of mediocrity and outright pests at the helm began to lead to disaster.
      Yes, someone for the amusement of the public periodically "frown". But the name untouched is the legion.
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    3. Banshee
      18 December 2015 09: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Riv
      The arguments of the author are ridiculous and naive.


      Laugh, since something else is not available to you according to your skills.

      Quote: Riv
      it is useless to expect that the slob in the important post will make some kind of breakthrough. It must be changed. Let even the colonel on the lieutenant - will not be worse. It's not about the managers, but about those who appoint them.


      Ah, yes, of course, Putin is to blame for everything ...

      I ask a specific question: for whom today, right now, to change Ulyukaev? Do you have options? Or just the air is shaken?

      I like your approach and your likes. "Medvedev in the furnace!" "Putin's off!" and stuff like that. But it is worth asking - and whom in return - and all, the plum is complete. Not our business.

      We had here one such ardent anti-Putin, Valera DMB-88, so in order not to play the ban, because he got the whole administration with his whining, the option was offered - give the candidate. As a bet / dispute. So he preferred the ban.

      Stink in the comments, of course, easier.
      1. Quager
        Quager 18 December 2015 10: 18 New
        +4
        Glazyev has an interesting program.
      2. Riv
        Riv 18 December 2015 10: 22 New
        12
        To whom to exchange Ulyukaev? On me. I will steer like Lavrenty Palych.

        By the way, it’s good that you mentioned Ulyukaev. Let me quote a wiki article: "In 1991-1992, he was an economic adviser to the Russian government. Member of the" team "Yegor Gaidar." In my opinion exhaustively. Not a "player", not a "piece", not a "pawn" even. "Member". :(
        This, again, is a quote from Wikipedia ...

        And yet, yes: Medvedev in the furnace.
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 18 December 2015 11: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: Riv
          To whom to exchange Ulyukaev? On me. I will steer like Lavrenty Palych.

          Sit better at home! stop
          1. Riv
            Riv 18 December 2015 11: 44 New
            +2
            Oh, damn it! I’ve already tuned in. Lists began to compile, you know ...
            1. IS-80
              IS-80 18 December 2015 11: 57 New
              0
              Quote: Riv
              Oh, damn it! I’ve already tuned in. Lists began to compile, you know ...

              Transcriptional?
              1. Riv
                Riv 18 December 2015 12: 03 New
                +1
                Good term.
                1. IS-80
                  IS-80 18 December 2015 15: 17 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Riv
                  Good term.

                  Satrap! Tiran! laughing
        2. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 18 December 2015 12: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: Riv
          By the way, it’s good that you mentioned Ulyukaev

          To replace Lyulyukaev, Katasonov, why not a candidate?
          Naibulin to Dmitriev.
      3. AID.S
        AID.S 18 December 2015 11: 09 New
        11
        Quote: Banshee

        Ah, yes, of course, Putin is to blame for everything ...

        I ask a specific question: who today, right now, to change Ulyukaev?

        But tell me, is it normal when the President cannot find a replacement for Ulyukaev? Is Ulyukaev a screw in a debugged mechanism or a diamond uncut among gems in the government? If there are some Ulyukaevs to replace them, then who is to blame, if there is no one to replace, then who is the price worthless?
        Who, if not the boss, should be responsible for his team?
        1. syndicalist
          syndicalist 18 December 2015 13: 01 New
          +6
          I consider it a humiliation for the country and people to claim that there is no alternative to someone, be it Ulyukaev or Putin
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 18 December 2015 13: 33 New
          +3
          But tell me, is it normal when the President cannot find a replacement for Ulyukaev?


          It only says that the President’s work suits Ulyukayev, as well as Serdyukov, too. Well, I went too far, but I did a useful job, so anyway, "mine."
      4. Heritologist
        Heritologist 18 December 2015 13: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: Banshee
        Ah, yes, of course, Putin is to blame for everything ...

        I ask a specific question: for whom today, right now, to change Ulyukaev? Do you have options? Or just the air is shaken?

        All the same, surprisingly it turns out ... You yourself outlined the problem and personally I really liked the article.
        But in the light of your comments, it seems to me that it is your uncertain position that causes only air shock.
      5. Reducer
        Reducer 18 December 2015 14: 05 New
        +4
        Quote: Banshee

        Ah, yes, of course, Putin is to blame for everything ...
        I ask a specific question: for whom today, right now, to change Ulyukaev? Do you have options? Or just the air is shaken?
        I like your approach and your likes. "Medvedev in the furnace!" "Putin's off!" and stuff like that. But it is worth asking - and whom in return - and all, the plum is complete. Not our business.
        ... Of course it’s easier to stink in the comments.


        The question is not whom to change, but for what?
        What will the superprofessional manager work for? For the sake of what do men work in the wells? For the sake of what, the remnants of people on earth, in villages today will stop drinking and get down to business? For the sake of what the youth will attend to their technical education and stand up for machine tools and "kulmans"? Why and for whom did officers and soldiers die and still die?

        For the sake of the owners of retail chains that rarely come to the country? For the sake of “jackets”, which the hell will turn red under the cameras? For the sake of what would Lukoil, Gazprom, etc. got contracts?
        Well, with the "stink in the comments" you obviously went too far. Don't you think?
      6. fraer
        fraer 18 December 2015 14: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: Banshee
        I like your approach and your likes. "Medvedev in the furnace!" "Putin's off!" and stuff like that. But it is worth asking - and whom in return - and all, the plum is complete. Not our business.

        These are near-minded people who do not see beyond their nose.
        Assume the unthinkable what Riv offers. Changed the manager. Suppose Putin was Putin. What changed? Nothing. The system then remained the same. what
        1. Riv
          Riv 18 December 2015 14: 53 New
          +4
          Right. What difference does the grand dukes plunder the army budget, or the letter "C"? No. And the point is not even in the mode of production. In the end, Alexander Vasilyevich the Turks smashed with yesterday's serfs under the authority. The matter is responsibility.
  13. Aleksander
    Aleksander 18 December 2015 07: 58 New
    +6
    A paradox is that today's top leaders are not hereditary officials. Putin is from a working family, Medvedev’s grandfathers are peasants, Matvienko is a pharmacist from Shepetivka, so the “elevator” worked, but the system “embeds” them herself ....
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 18 December 2015 11: 25 New
      +6
      - All the figures you named come from the USSR ... And just the workers and peasants lived in it, there simply weren’t any others ... Ah, the intelligentsia is still to blame! The then society was considered classless! And it was growth within the same social layer.
      - In our time, the "social elevator" must "take" the passenger from the proletarians (?) To the bourgeois ... and this is much more complicated ...
  14. Fox
    Fox 18 December 2015 08: 01 New
    +4
    social elevator: guamno RISES UP. here and all the wisdom. not finding themselves in creation, they climb into the leadership. In the Ministry of Internal Affairs it is now. who was "nobody", he sat out and through the same limited personnel officer became the head, having passed 3-4 certification .and now he doesn’t need sensible ones: what if they’ll sit up?! in the production is the same. type, what is there to lead, blow, yes press! ... (c)
  15. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 18 December 2015 08: 09 New
    +5
    Naturally, this situation cannot last long - they choose not those who are worthy and capable, but those who are “their own”.
    And just "their" in the vast majority are intellectually and mentally flawed.
    And when the country is ruled by underdeveloped people who think only of their pocket, we get what we have now.
  16. Dewa1s
    Dewa1s 18 December 2015 08: 15 New
    0
    Quote: vladimirZ
    To restore this "influx of fresh blood" into power and the "elite", one must return to the foundations of Soviet power

    Well, how is the Soviet government doing?
    And, exactly, the USSR no longer exists ...
  17. Zomanus
    Zomanus 18 December 2015 08: 17 New
    +3
    Yes, the question is very topical.
    I already suggested that an official from a certain level would be
    constantly under conditional article for theft.
    That in case the term conditional was automatically replaced by a real one,
    with confiscation to the level of social minimum.
    And he answered that he would not only be for himself, but also for his kin.
    Then you can get rid of at least those
    who is eager to steal precisely into power.
    Workers provide a social minimum guaranteed.
    Moreover, by bank transfer, that would not be
    the temptation to spend money.
    That is, housing, garden, school, vocational school, treatment.
    And all this by bank transfer and at the highest level.
    Plus compulsory employment of a young specialist.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 18 December 2015 08: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: Zomanus
      I already suggested that an official from a certain level would be
      constantly under conditional article for theft.

      There is such a fantastic novel, with the name I can confuse, the essence is this - everyone could serve the term in advance and then commit the crime, depending on the gravity of the crime, he was deducted from the sentence :-)
      1. Banshee
        18 December 2015 09: 12 New
        +2
        Yes, there is. But there was a specific article. "Deadline advance" is called.

        What are you talking about? Each governor pre-plant something? Or sat in a chair - get term conditionally?

        And an interesting option, by the way.
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        2. Quager
          Quager 18 December 2015 10: 27 New
          +5
          It is necessary to introduce a coefficient of a measure of responsibility for the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, for officials and top managars in the state. enterprises, the higher the position and salary, the longer the deadlines to give! And then we have insanity: got steal sneakers received 4 years, plundered the entire army - amnesty!
        3. avva2012
          avva2012 18 December 2015 18: 32 New
          0
          If we continue the literary theme, then there was such a novel by R. Sheckley “Ticket to the planet Tranay”. So, there, each official had something like a collar in which there was a small bomb. If any of the residents had complaints, then simply clicked the button under the corresponding position. How is that option?
        4. yuriy55
          yuriy55 19 December 2015 06: 28 New
          -1
          Quote: Banshee
          Yes, there is. But there was a specific article. "Deadline advance" is called.

          What are you talking about? Each governor pre-plant something? Or sat in a chair - get term conditionally?

          And an interesting option, by the way.


          On the topic with a reservation about "everything is new - well forgotten old":
          Remember the movie "Brother-2" ?. There, Mr. Belkin (a scoundrel, whose son reads a good poem), a person periodically comes and asks about business. In light of this, a person from the structures of the KGBE (the transcript above) should periodically come to the governor (whether the mayor or another official) and be vividly interested in "How long?" and "Why the heck?". Without any warnings, without calls ... For preventive conversation ... at any working time ...
          It would be enough. yes
      2. saygon66
        saygon66 18 December 2015 11: 29 New
        +2
        - In China, until recently, a system worked according to which leaders of various ranks, after 3 years of work, went to the camp for a year, to physical work - so as not to break away from the people!
        1. Down House
          Down House 18 December 2015 21: 12 New
          0
          Quote: saygon66
          China, until recently, the system worked

          And then apparently this "system" was canceled and the "Great Economic Miracle" began fellow
  18. AID.S
    AID.S 18 December 2015 08: 20 New
    +4
    Social elevators in Russia / the USSR began to work when turned on from above, and during periods of sharp modernization, development. Is this the period now? Does Putin need this? I think not. He is rather for the evolutionary path of Russia's development. And this is according to Darwin.
  19. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 18 December 2015 08: 23 New
    +5
    "Chubais just leave. For life. That was where to poke your fingers." Liked! The joke was a success!
    The right topic. No matter how hard we live, but if there is a prospect for us, or at least for our children, society and the state will self-clean and improve.
  20. Begemot
    Begemot 18 December 2015 08: 27 New
    12
    Not for that, for 25 years officials built their pyramid of state freebie to give way to different upstarts. If we talk about Peter 1, he had to chop heads with his own hands, in the literal sense, without quotes. Say things have changed a lot? - you are mistaken, Stalin had to do the same thing all 80 years ago, and Putin or his follower will have to, if, of course, they want to save Russia. Maybe the guts should be released and it won’t be enough, expulsions with complete confiscation will suffice, but something like that will have to be used, the official will not give up so easily, and let him continue to drink blood directly from the vein - it’s like death, and so there’s a pallor on his face showed up.
    1. Down House
      Down House 18 December 2015 21: 20 New
      0
      Quote: Begemot
      they will want to save Russia.

      You don’t bury Russia ahead of time, and everything will be fine!
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 19 December 2015 06: 36 New
        +1
        You don’t bury Russia ahead of time, and everything will be fine!


        Most importantly, we don’t bury her! And, most importantly, do not ruin her !!! Even as much as we can, we contribute to its prosperity. Most of them are not those who did not live in the harsh conditions of real life in the Russian countryside ...
        To cheer up, take a look:
  21. moskowit
    moskowit 18 December 2015 08: 30 New
    +7
    I agree with the author. For the operation of the "social elevator" one condition is necessary, equal starting opportunities. And now this chain is broken. No one needs a talented “bottom-up” person, and no one needs to “promote” him. "Prestigious" education is received neither by those who should, but by those who can afford it. And as you know, the state does not always replace abilities. In addition to abilities, moral-volitional qualities are still important. This is a complete disaster.
    1. Down House
      Down House 18 December 2015 21: 23 New
      -2
      Quote: moskowit
      For the operation of the "social elevator" one condition is necessary, equal starting opportunities.

      No.
      There are such “concepts” as Intergenerational Mobility and the Degree of Vertical Mobility - and what you are talking about is anarchy and the end of culture.
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 19 December 2015 06: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: Down House
        Quote: moskowit
        For the operation of the "social elevator" one condition is necessary, equal starting opportunities.

        No.
        There are such “concepts” as Intergenerational Mobility and the Degree of Vertical Mobility - and what you are talking about is anarchy and the end of culture.


        Fortunately, the main life in our country was not organized “according to concepts” and did not turn to “anarchy” sideways ... yes

        Then Nikolai Ivanovich correctly noted about equal starting opportunities, you can only add: "... and equal responsibility before the law of all citizens, regardless of social status"
        wink
  22. kostik1301
    kostik1301 18 December 2015 08: 34 New
    +3
    After reading the article, I realized this, EdRo time to change the sign to ONF, and at the same time the Chubais servant of the GDP only ........
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 19 December 2015 07: 04 New
      0
      Oh, what ?! Is it that simple? It’s enough, for starters, that the laws being drafted in the State Duma should be adopted by true representatives from the peoples of the Russian Federation and not “list” and “vertebral” ...

      For starters, a referendum on major issues, and only then life, according to the will.

      In my opinion, our means of communication are quite developed, the president needs to choose an hour or two times a month to listen to questions from the country's population (such as the "Box of Glasnost"), even if chosen by the "editors" (and who would object that it would be ONF representatives ?!). Broadcast answers to questions on Vesti. This is more effective than the Wasserman Reaction and Mikhalkov’s monologues. And the State Duma is already starting to work not at its discretion, but on the basis of something specific.

      Then there will be a law on corruption with specific proposals, and a law on the prohibition of smoking, and “PLATO” (and not some “ANTON” or “TRIFFON”) ...

      Not everything in our country depends on Putin, although not a little. Enough fools and jerkers on the ground. Hid behind the ticket "EP" and car glass and "make a helpless gesture." The closer the president’s contact with citizens is, the more honest this dialogue will be, the more often the government official will think about it before throwing some nonsense ...

      I’m such an idealist ... hi
  23. Million
    Million 18 December 2015 08: 42 New
    +6
    The article is good, but in order for something to change in this direction, the desire of the first persons of the state is needed, but they do not seem to need it
  24. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 18 December 2015 08: 50 New
    10
    Of course, the article and the problem itself are very topical ... The wife’s sister works in the department of the regional government. And he says that many talented people work in posts there. But, they are forced to work in such a way that would not inadvertently infringe on the interests of someone higher! Otherwise, a social toilet, and-out!
    And the popular front will work, it won’t, but if the initiative to create it came from above, it will definitely become a branch of united Russia, and everything will remain in its circles!
  25. KBR109
    KBR109 18 December 2015 08: 51 New
    +8
    All brothers speak correctly. The general impression is this: a rare hopelessness in the country. And the president in circulation added - MEDVEDEV'S GOVERNMENT SUCCESSFUL. negative belay wassat No words - just drooling and mate.
  26. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 18 December 2015 08: 57 New
    11
    I read it in a choke - until I got to ONF .. I don’t really believe in this strange "revolution from above" it smells more of another populism and demagogy, especially on the eve of elections with an ambiguous year ahead .. hi
  27. pinhead
    pinhead 18 December 2015 09: 05 New
    +3
    a little boy riding an elevator
    all is well ... only the cable broke ...
  28. Gardamir
    Gardamir 18 December 2015 09: 05 New
    0
    The article is certainly true, but who says goodbye alone. welcome to others? And for whom is this task a prospect?
  29. xorgi
    xorgi 18 December 2015 09: 09 New
    +5
    I agree with the article. But I believe that the ONF is also not a panacea, but a kind of backup personally to the president. I need a system, I don’t know which one.
    Also a small remark, the author did not mention the available social elevators: army, science, education. And another amendment, a social elevator serves to change social status, but not to enter the elite. In Soviet times, these two systems were connected, the author gave good examples, but in tsarist times (I mean 19th century), these systems were different, for example, it was impossible to become a Grand Duke or Emperor. Therefore, social elevators work with us, with a creak, slipping, but they work, but the change of elites doesn’t, well, or only at separate levels.
  30. My address
    My address 18 December 2015 09: 13 New
    12
    Any complex system normally works only if there is negative feedback. For example, if It is a law not only from radio, electrical engineering, but also the science of management.

    More on management. For any workplace (in the sense of where people work with their hands, or with their heads, etc.) there should be a job description. It describes: why this place exists; subordination; interaction; RESPONSIBILITIES, RIGHTS, RESPONSIBILITY. And with the growth of RESPONSIBILITY (occupying a higher position), RIGHTS must grow (the master issues a task, the head of the department manages, the director orders. dismissal, the director of the premium and monetary value for damage and freedom in a group accident (pah-pah, that was not)). It is impossible to leave RESPONSIBILITY to the minister at the level of a locksmith, or even to deduct from the responsibility for billions of dollars of damage, and only because of their own to the president. Remember, the Prime Minister of Singapore said that in order to increase the welfare of the country, it is necessary to plant three friends, but to plant for the cause? And what did Singapore become with him?

    And what about Russia? And in Russia, a violation of the basic laws of control. And conscious. I assure you, all managers are taught the basics of management or in the university, or on courses. What to do? Roll United Russia elections. But to come to the polls to the maximum. There is a hardest anecdote for the election - The Central Election Commission reports that privileges are provided for supporters of the EP - they may not go to the polls, tick off where they should be, they will be paid for them.
    1. My address
      My address 18 December 2015 10: 02 New
      +6
      In addition. On learning the basics of management.

      At the company where he worked, conducted training of management personnel from the beginning. departments and above. At the final lesson, a woman, a teacher from Chelyabinsk, decided to test her knowledge by setting the task: “At the enterprise, a woman put out a complicated machine. The one who did it went to the boss and confessed. Her first words were: and! ". Now everyone write what her boss should do." Then the teacher read the sentences. The easiest was to pay damages and to leave work, as she herself admitted. Other proposals ranged from demotion to dismissal, but with compensation for damages. But it turned out that it was a real case, I don’t remember at which European company, and the head concluded: the woman was not to blame, she didn’t KNOW, I HAD LEARNED IT BADLY! In general, the teacher was extremely unhappy. For information - my friend did not pass his answer, but read at the end. He offered to thank the woman for her honesty.
      And it happened also because at the selector before the study they said that they didn’t need to study, but the ISO certification didn’t pass the plant without it. What really surprised if the fashion went to the answers: "I do not like it? No one keeps you at work." And yet, in the job descriptions, the responsibility of the head departments and workshops began to decrease. It's no secret that they themselves write DI. Are ministers and others more honest?
      1. Down House
        Down House 18 December 2015 21: 29 New
        -1
        Quote: My address
        SHE DIDN'T KNOW HER TEACHED BAD!

        Come on, she’s just stupid and she didn’t understand anything. laughing
    2. Down House
      Down House 18 December 2015 21: 27 New
      -1
      Quote: My address
      Remember, the Prime Minister of Singapore said that in order to increase the country's prosperity, you need to put three friends, but put them to work?

      I’ll tell you “for the prime minister” - he said something, but Singapore is a country of triumphant Triads, like South Korea Cheboley - and this is the only reason for the lack of corruption in these countries - these are countries of triumphant “corruption” fellow
  31. iv-nord
    iv-nord 18 December 2015 09: 15 New
    +4
    There is a person - honest, educated, creative, knowledgeable, respected in the team, loving his work and homeland. Ideally, an excellent middle manager. As soon as it goes up, pitfalls open.
    The vertical of power. How many large managers got to the dock (and how many still didn't)? And vertically, how many lower-ranking managers worked for them in a team? But already spoiled. Because the majority knew and kept quiet, and some helped and were direct participants in the crimes. Among them, a lot of competent and strong specialists. They cherish the promotion? I would not want to.
    The position is appointed on the recommendation. A person becomes part of a team of a higher leader. And he must fulfill, possibly, incorrect (and suddenly criminal) orders. He knows how and what needs to be done better, but you won’t jump over your head. So - go over the heads?
    It is necessary to defend one’s opinions, not only competently and reasonably, but also by cunning, resourcefulness, bending somewhere, and where by “throat-fists”. Recognize all trends in the organization, who is friend - who is foe. To be able and have the strength and courage to use all this.

    Will this person be able and willing - honest, educated, etc. go into power?

    They say that man’s power spoils, but this is not entirely true. If the person is rotten, then yes.

    But most of the leaders in Russia are true patriots and honest, good people. And there are still many who are not afraid of responsibility, and hard work will come to high positions. Only they need to be well looked for or educated?
    1. AID.S
      AID.S 18 December 2015 11: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: iv-nord

      But most of the leaders in Russia are true patriots and honest, good people.


      People are like people. They love money, but it has always been ... Mankind loves money, no matter what it is made of, whether from leather, from paper, from bronze or gold. Well, frivolous ... well, then ... ordinary people ... in general, resemble the former ... the housing issue only spoiled them ...
      Mikhail Bulgakov, "Master and Margarita"

      Without words...
    2. Heritologist
      Heritologist 18 December 2015 13: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: iv-nord
      The position is appointed on the recommendation. A person becomes part of a team of a higher leader. And he must fulfill, possibly, incorrect (and suddenly criminal) orders. He knows how and what needs to be done better, but you won’t jump over your head.

      Something was remembered ... The metaphor in my opinion is relevant.
  32. standing
    standing 18 December 2015 09: 26 New
    +9
    Every monarch from time to time made a "cleansing" of his inner circle (it happened, right down to his own children). Thus, he often retained his own power and strengthened the budget by seizing the stolen goods. Why is it me?
  33. Wolka
    Wolka 18 December 2015 09: 41 New
    0
    everyone should do their own thing, well, the cook cannot manage the state, even if you crack, who does not agree, prove the opposite, and therefore the staff must be trained properly, constantly and patiently, cherished and cherished, but not spoiled, stimulated, yes, but not otherwise through responsibility and demand is tough
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 18 December 2015 11: 50 New
      +4
      who disagree prove otherwise
      half of those who sit in high chairs are anyway cooks. All their merit, were once close to the one for whom they are now their own.
    2. saygon66
      saygon66 18 December 2015 12: 01 New
      +3
      “We are not utopians. We know that any laborer and any cook are not able to immediately take control of the state. ... but we demand an instant break with the prejudice that the government is run, only the rich are able to carry on the everyday, daily work of management , or from wealthy families, officials are taken in. We demand that the training in public administration be given by class-conscious workers and soldiers and that it be started immediately, that is, all workers, all poor otu. "(C)
      - Like this ...
  34. Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg 18 December 2015 09: 41 New
    +1
    Novel. I’ll be relentless, it’s time to create a public organization. Enough of these meaningless conversations. Many in support you. So many people all over the country and not only in it!
  35. RPG_
    RPG_ 18 December 2015 09: 53 New
    +5
    You contradict yourself, although the general train of thought is correct. Pranishka rafted the forest along the river, and became a thunderstorm in the capitalist world. So maybe the manager can manage the rocket industry? There is probably no way to determine the criterion for the selection of frames. First you need a strong-willed person who sees people through, who will select these frames. And you need this, not even one, but several hundred.
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 18 December 2015 10: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: RPG_
      You contradict yourself, although the general train of thought is correct. Pranishka rafted the forest along the river, and became a thunderstorm in the capitalist world. So maybe the manager can manage the rocket industry? There is probably no way to determine the criterion for the selection of frames. First you need a strong-willed person who sees people through, who will select these frames.

      You see, it is necessary that a person at least a little try to understand the operation of the system before changing anything. And this I have never once observed in all cases, which was a witness.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 18 December 2015 11: 55 New
      +3
      a person who sees people through, who will select these frames.
      Yeah, I go up to Putin and say, prepare the staff to choose whom to appoint whom to remove. And he is good for me. just don’t touch these yours. and do not touch those of your own, and in those far away are your friends.
      1. Down House
        Down House 18 December 2015 21: 39 New
        -3
        Quote: Gardamir
        Yeah, I go up to Putin and say, prepare the staff to choose whom to appoint whom to remove. And he is me

        And he to you, and who are you anyway? hi
  36. Denis81
    Denis81 18 December 2015 10: 10 New
    +7
    These "defective managers" are the closest in economics and ordinary lawyers in terms of both thinking and worldview. That was in Soviet times. Can you imagine where we would have flown if the chief designer Korolev or Tupolev had been the head of the design department of some LLC now ???. Decisions must be made by people who put at the forefront not immediate savings, but see the final result. The bottom line is to be able to think strategically. This is not given to them, with a modern level of humanitarian education.
    1. Down House
      Down House 18 December 2015 21: 42 New
      0
      Quote: Denis81
      That was in Soviet times.

      Exactly.
      But in a capitalist society, where the point of any business in making a profit is the other way around - economists know better than engineers how to make money fellow
  37. IS-80
    IS-80 18 December 2015 10: 13 New
    +3
    As I understand it, Comrade Skomorokhov joined the ONF? Well, then the breakthrough is just around the corner. Putin now has someone to lean on. A bunch of Lavrov, Shoigu, Rogozin and Skomorokhov will restore order in the country and around the world.
  38. corn
    corn 18 December 2015 10: 16 New
    +2
    It’s easier to get to the top only in the time of revolutionary transformations, but how much crap then pops up.
  39. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 18 December 2015 10: 21 New
    +6
    Good article, all right to the bullseye.
    It is necessary to change the team that runs the country.
    To start, two things:
    1) the team of effective managers must be replaced by a team of efficient production workers. A manager is one who seeks to get a momentary financial result, built on savings in production. As a result, production does not develop. An efficient production worker is a specialist with experience in developing production.
    2) in the country's leadership not to allow economists who studied in the West - they were taught there so that Russia would be a dependent appendage of the West, and these economists will never violate the fundamentals driven into their heads.
    3) amend the law in order to deprive people of the possibility of ever occupying any positions in the civil service and compulsory confiscation and settlement in remote areas — let them study the consequences of their activities for the people and the state in their own skin for about 10 years.
    Yesterday, I was simply enraged by the energy sector with its initiatives to pump money out of the population. Where did they get the consumption rate of 150 kW? And they all blame on light bulbs, people don’t turn off the lights! But what about the heaters that turn on, because it’s cold, but there is no heating? Like water heaters, did anyone bypass the periodic shutdown of hot water? The number of family members is different, okay, if 150 kW for 2, and if 6 people, and 4 rooms? Children play, adults do household chores, someone has a rest - they put everyone in the same room, turn on 1 light bulb and let them swear? About the disabled, that there will be no limit for them, how will they do it if the family has 3-6 people? No way, but patients really need more e / energy, this is an additional frequent wash, heat for people with little movement, and even sleepless nights.
    I don’t even want to talk about the monthly fee. And before electricity was supplied without wires? Yes, everything is included in the tariffs several times, this initiative of power engineers is to rob the already poor population. And they brazenly talk about increasing profits, this is not profit, this is an increase in fees from the population in order to drive some into poverty, in order to increase the super-richness of others.
    Look at the landline phones have introduced a subscription fee, now few people use them, and people will come up with something with electricity.
    Effective managers, with their requisitions and greed, are destroying the economy, tormenting the people, weakening the country. They need to be driven, and the sooner, the more chances are to become an independent state.
    1. Down House
      Down House 18 December 2015 21: 45 New
      -1
      Quote: olimpiada15
      As a result, production does not develop.

      What are you ?! Business is developing and income is growing, while production is not developing belay
      Quote: olimpiada15
      no economists trained in the West should be allowed into the country's leadership

      Well, in China, for example, there are ALSO economists who studied in the West in the leadership, but what’s wrong with that ?!
      Quote: olimpiada15
      the greater the chances of becoming an independent state.

      We are already an independent state - do not worry.
  40. Nonna
    Nonna 18 December 2015 10: 23 New
    +9
    In Russia, bread places are distributed 300 years in advance to relatives of the 7th tribe. No one will give way to any outstanding child prodigy. If you can, you will do everything yourself - both yourself and the business. and not in order to come to government agencies to work for the people, but in order to ten times their material wealth. This bureaucratic monolith holds its ranks very tightly. The author said correctly, although not all - missed a lot. He simply outlined a topic for discussion. When communicating a lot in social networks, you don’t need to be a strong analyst - people are dissatisfied with internal politics, people are impoverished, enterprises are shut down. people save literally on everything. It seems like they have risen a little in recent years and are sliding down again. 24 years have passed since the collapse of the USSR, which they have not survived. And again, all in a new way? Hurray-patriotism is tired of worse than the bitter radish. Putin’s speech yesterday disappointed, left behind Medvedev Ulyukaev and other Bandera in the power of a medal to hang up for the betrayal and genocide of the Russian people.
  41. standing
    standing 18 December 2015 10: 28 New
    +9
    Still, there was something like that in socialism. That works, for example, the guy on the machine. Works well, Komsomolets, drummer, winner of socialist competition. And at the meeting of the asset they decide to reward the kid. And reward. Komsomol ticket to the university. Moreover, no one asked the boy about his desire. I dare to think that having received an education and having returned to his native factory, this person could become a very good leader. Here you are: cook, cook. I worked in the 80s in one not very open enterprise. The head of the workshop was the leader, as they say, from God. Now he is gone, bright memory. He had three (!) Education classes and he was one of those “boys”.
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 18 December 2015 11: 48 New
      +5
      - I agree! But then the State had a different approach to staff training! After the 8-th class in vocational schools, or technical school, after the 10-th in high schools, even if you really learn laziness - to the factory, car park, farm: they will be trained on the spot! It was impossible not to work, not to study ... It was a simple system, but effective!
    2. Down House
      Down House 18 December 2015 21: 47 New
      -2
      Quote: standing
      That works, for example, the guy on the machine.

      Quote: standing
      And at the meeting of the asset they decide to reward the kid. And reward. Komsomol ticket to the university.

      And from a good locksmith, a bad engineer is obtained - the principle of Peter - “In a hierarchical system, each individual tends to rise to the level of his incompetence” fellow
  42. tokens2
    tokens2 18 December 2015 10: 40 New
    +7
    And in the future, the history of Russia knows a lot of similar examples. Under different emperors and empresses, the essence was the same - the influx of "fresh blood" in defiance of established traditions. Here one cannot but recall Mikhail Lomonosov, and Stepan Makarov, and Nikolai Zhukovsky.

    An exception is a supporting rule.
    Well, is it really not clear that today's bureaucracy is conditionally noblemen of the 21st century?
    If earlier they became nobles in battles, now they are "appointed".
    Excuse the author. But ... the current party will abhor today's Suvorov or Lomonosov.
    Rather, Al Capone will become his own for a Russian official. By the way, he was far from a stupid person.
    This is the maximum that the Russian government is able to "infuse".
    And this is in the 21st century !!! In the age of supercomputers. Yes, take pity on the brilliant and talented people of Russia.
    After all, officials are an extra link. The land needs to be distributed to them. There are too many “hands” in Russia to lead. You need to know the measure.
  43. chikenous59
    chikenous59 18 December 2015 11: 07 New
    +3
    Gentlemen, it’s good to hammer your tongue and feel like an Internet hero!
    Let's unite, draw up our questions and suggestions, go out to peaceful rallies. The authorities will hear our words only live. They do not read comments on the Internet!
    1. castle
      castle 18 December 2015 12: 56 New
      0
      And how many times will these peaceful rallies allow you? If at all allowed. If they’re not allowed, will you declare freedom of speech in the kitchens? And which one do you propose a “feasible” political and economic platform without blood and how will you bring your program to the ears of the people? If it’s peaceful, the state apparatus will eat you up, if it’s not peaceful, the people will not follow you. Hoping for Mr. President Putin also makes no sense. He is an intelligent and experienced person. He knows what awaits him if he tries to "give out cards" in his circles. I have already missed the moment, inside Russia, when his headquarters were his subordinates and he was obeyed. It looks like they are already out of control. Otherwise, how to explain the difference between what I see on the stock exchange and what Mr. President says in the Message to the People. And who only writes speeches to him ?!
  44. user3970
    user3970 18 December 2015 11: 08 New
    +7
    It seems to me that the personnel situation in the country is close to hopeless. I don’t know with what fright everyone is looking up with hope, at Putin and from him they are waiting for some incredible actions, such as the resignation of the current government, a real fight against corruption! Hello! You are stupid ? GDP - Vice President. He was appointed, and he plays the role that is prescribed in the script. Well, after all, it was voiced by the Accounts Chamber that the government did not fulfill 2/3 of the instructions of the president’s previous message. The rooster crowed, and then at least do not dawn? Or is the government not subordinate to the president? And to whom does it obey? Chubais? And who was appointed president of GDP? And to whom does Chubais obey? Windelberg Club? And what does this club say about Russia and its people? With too many people? enough and 50 million? The remaining extra time is their expense. Is Russia a gas-gas station? Well, 16 years have passed since Vasti’s GDP ... So what? Let's not touch Great Stalin. Well, even Brezhnev did orders of magnitude more for the country than GDP. It sounded that the cook could not control the state. Bullshit! Catherine 1 (widow of Peter 1) was a whore. Peter the 1st is a carpenter, his intimate friend A. Menshikov was a pastry chef, became a generalissimo, Khrushchev -4th grade of education (I do not respect, but I admit the fact that it was with him that the United States wrote boiling water from fear). And Lech Walesa without prompting the United States competently carried out privatization in Poland without robbing the people. Turn on Moscow. forum people!
    1. AID.S
      AID.S 18 December 2015 11: 39 New
      +3
      Quote: user3970
      It seems to me that the personnel situation in the country is close to hopeless. I don’t know with what fright everyone is looking up with hope, at Putin and from him they are waiting for some incredible actions, such as the resignation of the current government, a real fight against corruption!

      I began to read your comment with interest, on the next part of the article he began to resemble the ravings of a city madman. You do not respect those for whom you are writing, or simply do not know what it is. Choose expressions, young man! (C)
  45. Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg 18 December 2015 11: 27 New
    11
    A friend graduated from the Academy of Management. When he was still practicing in the district administration, he was honestly told that if there are no relatives or patrons, you will transfer pieces of paper for a penny. As a result, the manager went to a restaurant
  46. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 18 December 2015 11: 38 New
    13
    Who will change that? The fish rotted from the head, because the tail was aroused and wants something, it wouldn’t change anything, but for the very smart, they came up with article 282 - “inciting hatred or enmity, as well as humiliating the dignity of a person or group of people on the grounds of gender, race, nationality, language , origin, religion, as well as belonging to any social group". Officials, deputies and governors, we have a social group, there was already a court decision. You are to him -" the governor, you are a thief and incompetent ", and he will give you a court decision for humiliation and incitement to hatred - at best, a fine, at worst, up to five years, and walk Vasya.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 18 December 2015 12: 41 New
      +5
      Quote: chunga-changa
      as well as belonging to any social group. "Officials, deputies and governors are our social group, there was already a court decision.

      But if you propose replacing the official with a computer "in order to increase management efficiency and labor productivity"? And the whole network is a neural network, will it be a call to overthrow the existing government? :-)
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 18 December 2015 13: 42 New
        +3
        Of course, the more computers are imported and on windows, here they can solder treason.
        Although, if the tender for the supply and maintenance of computers and software is won by Igor Rotenberg, then options are possible.
  47. veksha50
    veksha50 18 December 2015 11: 59 New
    +3
    "And not just to change, to "folk", but to suitably prepared"...

    It would seem - which is simpler: carefully read Plato’s work “On the State” - there, after all, everything was laid out on shelves long ago ...

    No, humanity, and specifically - today's Russia - is stepping on the same rake ...

    So I said about the simplicity of resolving the issue purely in the Platonic style ... But the whole problem is "only" in that: "And who needs it?" and “Who will bring it to life?” ...

    So it turns out a vicious circle: civil war - God forbid, and it remains to be seen whether it will worsen the current situation ...

    And no one will give up power peacefully ... even the Mayor's thieves in some remote village ...
    1. castle
      castle 18 December 2015 12: 30 New
      +6
      Old anecdote:
      "-Why do we have nothing to eat on the ship?
      “A kuhark is at the helm.”
  48. Murad05
    Murad05 18 December 2015 12: 04 New
    +1
    In some ways I agree with the article ...
  49. colotun
    colotun 18 December 2015 12: 40 New
    +4
    Article author = storyteller
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 19 December 2015 07: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: colotun
      Article author = storyteller


      Notice! Good storyteller ... wink
  50. Megatron
    Megatron 18 December 2015 12: 48 New
    0
    The problem with the nagibulina and the bear, not even that they are thieves, the same Aleksashka Menshchikov, also stole with might and main, but how much he did for the country, and that they are enemies - they deliberately ruin and destroy what they can reach.

    Putin’s position is also not clear, I remember speaking in the same vein as the author of the article, like if we plant all the thieves and officials, then there will simply be no one to work. I think this approach is absolutely counterproductive.

    But the ONF did not seem to start off badly, but now it is rotting, becoming the twin brother of Edra.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 December 2015 14: 27 New
      -1
      Excuse me, but what stole Nagibulin and Medved? - "They are thieves" - do you have evidence of theft? “They deliberately ruin and destroy what they can reach” - from the same opera — what did they personally ruin?
      1. Megatron
        Megatron 18 December 2015 23: 50 New
        +4
        Are you probably a food guy?
        About how much has the bear all done as a president, with his “innovations,” to recall?
        How then Putin returned everything back.

        Do you think the Central Bank is not to blame for such a ruble exchange rate? And in the frantic interest rates, in that he does not lend to our citizens, important industries, but invests in Western securities?
        Is this not sabotage ??? !!!

        You can go on ad infinitum.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 19 December 2015 11: 51 New
          -2
          We credit important production and create production, and on the account of lending to our citizens - here is another story - the debt on loans in Russia is 16 trillion rubles - it becomes risky to lend to the population for banks.
          1. Megatron
            Megatron 19 December 2015 16: 41 New
            +1
            Well, yes, they lend at a fabulous interest. Therefore, our goods are obtained more expensive than imported ones, when our people need to pay bonded loans, and even provide bribes at all levels. Say that you need to work according to the law? So, our laws are drafted in such a way that it is practically impossible to work without violations, and almost any breeder can bury your business if you wish.

            How is lending built? Our citizens go to our bank, where they receive funds at a huge percentage. Because the bank takes the funds not from us, but over the hill, already at the foreign currency interest. Therefore, we have to pay double, if not triple dues, raising along the way the enemy economies. Why, instead of in the "fat" years, not investing in the domestic market, at a low interest rate, in order to be able to update the production base, infrastructure, and achieve the same import substitution, there were all conditions for this that would have returned by now a hundredfold. But no, the government and the liberals from the economy threw these hundreds of billions of dollars over the hill, bought enemy bonds, according to the tonsils, perfectly playing for the support of Western economies, and our people were left with nothing, we could say giving them slavery to the West. Is this not a direct diversion?

            Now about consumer loans: they give at an even more predatory interest than for business, the same "breakthrough mortgage" under the "super" percentage - 11 per annum. For 10 years, you buy a bank another apartment, and for 20 - already two. This is the same legalized slavery! In normal countries, 10% FOR THE WHOLE TIME!

            And after that, will you still justify our freaks in the government?

            I have the honor! hi
      2. yuriy55
        yuriy55 19 December 2015 07: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        Excuse me, but what stole Nagibulin and Medved? - "They are thieves" - do you have evidence of theft? "They deliberately ruin and destroy what they can reach" - from the same opera -what did they personally ruin?


        Replica from the audience:
        It cannot be in a country where there is an acute question of a lack of money in the budget, there are so many banks (for what? Has money become a means of production or a commodity for us?) And such high interest on loans that exclude any development of high-tech production ... stop

        The “Bear” was set up not to steal, but to look for ways of effective development. In the meantime, he simply ... didn’t finish a single thing (he almost blurted out the “end”, everything was fine, he thought that we would twist the clock to infinity until the head fell off, yes ... most importantly, no expense at it wasn’t)! crazy. ”And not to sleep !!! And ministers who talk about increasing GDP -“ 0 and to hell along ”should not take a place in the government ... stop
        1. Megatron
          Megatron 19 December 2015 11: 34 New
          +2
          If we follow the logic of Comrade Vadim237, then Serdyukov is not a thief, his court missed a witness in the case, and Vasiliev is almost not to blame, she was immediately released!

          The rest of this cohort is also whiter than white, more honest than honest.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 19 December 2015 11: 54 New
          -4
          Well, let's change the ministers to others, and all of them - from this GDP will not rise - nothing will change.