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Social elevator as a panacea for modern problems of Russia, or How to remove those who are not with us

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Best start with a couple of definitions.




Social mobility is an opportunity to change the social stratum. The concept of social mobility is close in meaning to the concept of social elevator or career.

Social elevator is a concept similar to vertical mobility, but more commonly used in the modern context of discussing the theory of elites as one of the means of rotating the ruling elite.

Possible panacea for today's problems. In post-Soviet times there was such a thing as "stagnation". At one time, smart men explained to us for a long time, where we stagnated, but over time, the majority of these men played the role of traitors or simply bad people. And whether this was the most stagnant, hard to say.

But the fact that today in Russia there is a stagnation, it is not necessary to prove. From year to year in the power the same persons turn. And, if in the power of the legislature it is still somehow diluted, then in the executive one can even not give a damn. And so it is clear that he will fly to the representative of United Russia.

Stagnation for Russia is quite normal. Even Peter the Great successfully solved his problems precisely with the help of a social elevator, favoring the nobility for commoners who distinguished themselves in the sovereign service. And, by the way, it was these innovations that helped Peter solve staff shortages in many areas, including navy.

As an example of such an elevation, you can take history troop clerk Ivan Grigorievich Suvorov, who had made a hefty career under Peter, and had become the general troop clerk to receive the nobility, being inherited. It was the nobility granted by Peter that enabled his son Basil to receive a good education. And Vasily began as a batman at Peter Alekseevich. He finished his career as a general general. Well, and who became Alexander, is not to say.

And in the future, the history of Russia knows a lot of similar examples. With different emperors and empresses, the essence was the same - the influx of "fresh blood" contrary to established traditions. It is impossible not to recall Mikhail Lomonosov, and Stepan Makarov, and Nikolai Zhukovsky.

And the Stalin era, despite the many distortions, also quite effectively used this principle. Here examples may amount to thousands. It is precisely such cases, when the children of peasants and workers broke into the elite and worked for the good of their country, became something quite ordinary.

The boy-Cossack from the wilderness of the Kuban region (was such), having 3 education class and working as a postman, ends his life as a professor of the academy, colonel-general, Hero of Socialist Labor. Miracle? Yes. And the miracle that his thoughts were able to defeat the gurgling of the "great strategist" Tukhachevsky. This is me about Vasily Gavrilovich Grabin.

And what a miracle was the appearance of the son of the exiled fist from the Altai Territory? Seven classes of education, father on the settlement in the Tomsk region, the accountant in the depot of the station Matai of the Turkestan-Siberian railway. And a natural craving for technology. Zhukov, Blagonravov not just noticed. Now you can learn and work. Total? Mikhail Timofeevich Kalashnikov.

Or a Belarusian peasant who fused with his father a forest, with difficulty completing 7 classes, and then vocational school, and first becoming the director of a rural school, and then a thunderstorm and headache for the entire capitalist world in the USSR - is also a miracle? The miracle was called Andrey Andreevich Gromyko.

“You are right,” said Andrei Andreevich many years later to his son, “I became a diplomat by accident. The choice could fall on another guy from the workers and peasants, and this is already a pattern. Malik, Zorin, Dobrynin and hundreds of others came to diplomacy with me in the same way. ”

Thousands of examples. The essence is the same: the rulers (or leaders) had to pierce the established foundations. This did not always bring immediately positive results, it suffices to recall the cleaning of the Red Army by Stalin. Yes, they removed many of those who should have been removed. And some, like Tukhachevsky, were removed even later than it should have been. And while those who came to replace them retired and learned, the Germans stood near Moscow.

But the result is logical. And the result was May 1945 in Berlin.

Today’s day resembles both the time of Peter the Great with the absolute power of the boyars, and Stalin’s with the “old Bolsheviks”. Only instead of the boyars and the "old Bolsheviks" we have the "United Russia" that controls everything and everyone. Plus a bunch of not quite understandable "successful managers" in the government.

Often heard the wishes "to remove all." Medvedev, Nabiullina, Ulyukaeva. All But the question arises: who in their place? And how effective will those who come to replace them? Since no one voiced the candidacies, it is difficult to draw conclusions.

The Stalinist practice, when the battalion commander came to the place of the divisional division, showed all its flawedness exactly 22 June. Over the head do not jump. However, it is clear and understandable that the above-mentioned persons (according to the list), as well as frankly snickering mayors and governors, should be knocked out from their common lands.

Say is easy. Make - harder. Where to get three (and in fact much more) hundreds of specialists of this level? Functionals are dragging sons-daughters? Dragging Need to clean up? It is necessary. But it is necessary to remove not only the son-daughter. And first you need to figure out, is it really so bad, son? There have been precedents in history.

But, if the child really "does not pull", then it is necessary to remove not only him. And a child-loving dad, too. As well as daddy colleagues. For they will not really work, we can do it.

Do you understand what I mean?

It is about replacing thousands of people in the management apparatus. The question arises: where to get them?

In United Russia? Yes, I agree, the joke was a success. Rockers against drugs, bees against honey, officials against corruption. And arithmetic, which states that the sum does not change from the rearrangement of the places of the terms, has not been canceled. The same can be said about all these "Young Guards" and other seliger-lubricants. This footage for the "EP."

But changing the existing system is necessary. Okay, daughters and sons, sometimes things are generally anecdotal, if it were not so sad. As, for example, Alexey Vasilyevich Kamyshev was appointed the executive director of the Voronezh association of KBHA (these are engines for Angara, Soyuz, Proton, ICBM). Young (43 of the Year) effective manager.

Are you interested in what enterprises he showed himself? I was told by the staff of the KBKHA, who are still in shock.

Kamyshev made a career at CenterTelecom, where from a securities specialist he reached the branch director. The most necessary person in rocket science. And he began with what? That's right, with cost savings. That is, with layoffs and reductions.

If someone has questions like “Why is Proton again“ raised? ”, You will remember this information, okay? Because people with years of experience from s / n in 15-17 of thousands and with the prospect "We will now dismiss the excess, you will work for three, but for 30 thousand" somehow not in awe.

It’s like a single example of “effective managism” in Russia.

Stalemate situation? And no.

The output can be, oddly enough, ONF. As a basic platform for the initial running and validation of people. They, in principle, are engaged in this, only with reverse polarity. But in our realities thief is easier to find than a normal person. So there is something to work on.

It is difficult, but possible, to create a new system of promotion of personnel, independent of the "EP" and governors' apparatus. The main thing is that the information is not "lost". And given the opportunity to work in principle.

By itself, a social elevator has repeatedly rescued Russia and the USSR. But today's situation is perhaps more complicated than Peter the First was. He was abundantly enough for everything about all the pairs of regiments of archers, Catherine the Great was at all some cost-effective for the Transfiguration.

But you need to change the system. Personnel in Russia were, are and will be. And smart and (importantly) honest people will also be found. Formed and with the desire to get into these very "elite". Must be. And there is still where to look, not all collapsed yet.

By the way, one more example from the Russian history. I will not take the USSR, but in my Voronezh gubernia, who only did not care for in the mayoral and gubernatorial posts. Democrats and communists, former communists and underdemokrats. The result, however, was one. Lower and lower.

But there was one at dawn. Kovalev. By the way, in comparison with successors in general a specialist of the highest category. Perhaps because before the governorship led a large plant. By the way, the plant is still alive and well. Yes, Kovalev also had a carriage claim, but who came after him ... I don’t want to even remember.

Russia does not need effective managers, but engineers and business managers. Business executives - especially. Our farm is huge.

Complex issue. On the one hand, something must be somehow changed. On the other - not so simple. But you still have to start. While we really did not otnabiullilli and not sululyukali at all.

But today, and especially today, this issue must be approached with great care. Not in the sense of time, but in the sense of "measure ten times." We are able to cut. Sew-sew bad.

To think that brushing a couple of heads with a sword and everything will fall into place is criminal. It should be calm and balanced. Shorten the hands of the governors. Change especially ragged. And not just change, on the "people", but on the appropriately prepared. Same thing with the government. And also careful. For at this level with each replacement - as with a mine. In order not to explode.

Chubais just leave. For life. That was where to poke your fingers.

And shout "down with enemies" can be on the Internet. For down enemies - this is yes, it is necessary. But after “goodbye” to one, it would be necessary to say “welcome” to others.

That's the challenge for the future.
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  1. parusnik
    parusnik 18 December 2015 06: 41
    +9
    To not explode...Without this you can’t ... surely explode .. New nuts on a rusty thread ..
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 18 December 2015 07: 38
      53
      Quote: parusnik
      So as not to explode ..

      Please note: the article was not posted at all on the profile site, exactly after Putin's press conference and exactly 2 weeks after Putin's "message to NA" ...
      All of this means "RIPE" and it seems that "painful". Or does someone think that such materials appear at the will of the author? It seems that Putin also realized that he is losing in the fight against the Edoras.
      But it’s too late: education and upbringing fell into the wrong hands (and how does Art. 13 of the Constitution on the prohibition of state ideology be interpreted differently? Exactly!), Consumerism has bloomed in a double color, office mold has become 2 times more than workers, and from brainless lawyers with economists You can build dams and fill up with sand.
      But it does not save: old career elevators got up in the 80s, new ones have not been built since then, and ONF is a good thing, of course, but this is a drop in the bucket, which has no way to change the klepto-corruption vertical. Putin is an excellent politician, but a worthless business executive, and technocrats are completely absent in the elite, but the ball is ruled by humanoids (or humanities, how right?) lol
      Until the humanoid tendency is broken, Putin will not see good luck ... crying
      1. Mik13
        Mik13 18 December 2015 07: 55
        +3
        Quote: hydrox
        But it’s too late: education and upbringing fell into the wrong hands (and how does Art. 13 of the Constitution on the prohibition of state ideology be interpreted differently? Exactly!), Consumerism has bloomed in a double color, office mold has become 2 times more than workers, and from brainless lawyers with economists You can build dams and fill up with sand.

        Tell me, if tomorrow St. 13 is canceled, what ideology do you propose?

        Yes, by the way - since this question was suddenly raised - and where can I read what is the ideology that St. 13 prohibits? Still, this is a law - there must be a strict definition.
        1. Temples
          Temples 18 December 2015 09: 25
          14 th
          ABOUT! Roma calls for a change of leadership!

          It is about replacing thousands of people in the management apparatus. The question arises: where to get them?

          In United Russia? Yes, I agree, the joke was a success. Rockers against drugs, bees against honey, officials against corruption. And arithmetic, which states that the sum does not change from the rearrangement of the places of the terms, has not been canceled. The same can be said about all these "Young Guards" and other seliger-lubricants. This footage for the "EP."

          But changing the current system is necessary.


          Do you own technology?
          Or curators tell me?
          Will he ban himself after these calls?
          Before this, the flags were canceled for everyone on the site.
          Now it suits the revolution.
          Strong !!!

          And what stories are touching-
          We all left the people, children of the working-class family!

          I didn’t forget about the boyars !!!
          It was the boyars of Petrushe who prevented the window from being cut into Europe !!!
          But what about beards ???
          Very dangerous for the reformers in Russia were beards !!!
          Petrunya understood that the whole strength of the opponents of civilized Europe in his beards !!! You need to cut them immediately!
          Novel story repeated!
          Why is there no call for a beard haircut ???

          We will destroy the whole world of violence, to the foundation !!!
          And then...
          It’s a pity only to live in this wonderful time
          I don’t have to either you ...

          The article is like a tantrum.

          Goodbye website.
          Have a nice day and good mood.
          And fewer revolutions and all kinds of lustrations in the heads.
          Take a look at Ukraine. There, too, there were plenty of exchangers.
          So they live happily now !!!

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          2. My doctor
            My doctor 18 December 2015 14: 06
            +2
            Quote: Temples
            The article is like a tantrum.

            In the article I read about the need for social elevators in society, but did not find the basis on what this elevator will function. What is revolution again? Shoot everyone again? I am not exaggerating. All the places are occupied, this is a bummer, but you can still get there by walking over the heads of others. You yourself understand that breaking through from the bottom will be worse than the old-timers there. Where can the prerequisites for selecting the RIGHT candidates for places come from? Answer: this will never happen, in principle, this is impossible. Only motivated people who have their personal priorities from the very beginning, with absolutely no quality such as altruism, make their way. The only way out in this situation is to limit their appetite.
            Quote: Temples
            Goodbye website.
            Have a nice day and good mood.
            And fewer revolutions and all kinds of lustrations in the heads.
            Take a look at Ukraine. There, too, there were plenty of exchangers.
            So they live happily now !!!

            Do not get excited.
            1. Down House
              Down House 18 December 2015 20: 32
              +1
              Quote: MyVrach
              ro the need for social elevators in society, but did not find the basis on what this elevator will function.

              So I didn’t find it either, and without it it’s not clear what exactly the author wanted request
              1. Mahmut
                Mahmut 21 December 2015 06: 10
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                Even Peter the Great successfully solved his problems precisely with the help of a social elevator, favoring the nobility to commoners who distinguished themselves in the sovereign service. And, by the way, it was these innovations that helped Peter solve the personnel shortage in many areas, including the Navy.

                Under Nicholas II, too, social elevators worked with might and main. Generals Alekseev, Kornilov from peasant families. They then led a conspiracy against the king. And the family of the Ulyanovs, who received the nobility from the tsar for their merits and otvetka, raised a sasha-regicide and Volodya-Russophobe. And the bear Gorbachev is an assistant to the combine processor by education and the Secretary General of the CPSU by position. Than not fresh blood for breaking stagnation.
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          3. skeptic31
            skeptic31 18 December 2015 19: 33
            +2
            Yes, he does not call for anything. Typical for Roman form of presentation. It seems to be for, but after a very strange analysis, it is against. Those. first, relishing, he talks about how good it is to have a social elevator, and gives separate episodes confirming this. Then, without embarrassing herself, he proves that everything must be done calmly and carefully, in the sense that it is better not to do anything, since rushing can ruin the whole thing. Meanwhile, for 25 years now we have been seeing the same faces, not a single new face, an absolute historical record. The reformers in short pants have said so much about how bad it is when there are only old people in the leadership, but time passed, they already sat, and so what? Nothing, except for the new law, time is running out, according to which they can sit in their chairs for up to 65 years. Then a law will be passed that you can sit up to 70. Etc. And Roman will continue to write articles about the need to create a new system of personnel advancement, they have been creating (!?!) For 25 years, and also that it’s criminal to think that brushing off a couple of goals with a saber and everything will fall into place is criminal .
            1. Aleksandr Tot
              Aleksandr Tot 19 December 2015 00: 21
              0
              Skeptic, it’s criminal not to brush off a couple of goals, criminally brush it off, just in case you have time for analysis.
              What will happen if you do not blow your head, and that head will blow the state and the entire DEMO protection system.
              Are you ready to enter into not only rights, but also obligations (to be responsible) for the life of your subjects ?. If not, back off and don't get under your feet.
          4. Aleksandr Tot
            Aleksandr Tot 18 December 2015 23: 05
            -2
            TEMPORARY, I am in the same place - in the earlier goodbyes to the site. Wandered by the developed algorithm for bypassing information resources.
            The design is better than the content and, sadly, the lack of emotional connection between the site’s symbols and the intellect, background, and load of verbal constructions of active participants.
            The bike "monkey and glasses" suggests itself in connection with glasses with a grenade in the hands of those who know how to poke at the keyboard, sow adolescent maximalism (infantilism) into the net, not understanding who and why gave them a grenade.
            1. Aleksandr Tot
              Aleksandr Tot 18 December 2015 23: 44
              +1
              Yes, after the topic.
              “But there is no need to prove that there is a stagnation in Russia today” (it’s not necessary, because there is no stagnation, but a revelry of brainwashing technologists stunned by crazy salaries.
              Enough from the skill set of gypsy hypnosis, linguistic zombies, knowledge about the hierarchy of genetic programs for the survival of HOMO, and here it is the desired amount in the account. One problem is that you need to think of yourself as unchallenged, be circumcised, not eat pork or have a document of jurisdiction. The list is not final.
              1. Aleksandr Tot
                Aleksandr Tot 19 December 2015 22: 16
                +1
                The answer to yourself. I am happy for myself. Exactly they ousted me. Hit the topic (topic) znach. Green-vineyards could not restrain themselves.
                So me, atu me. Survey me military!
          5. Angry orc
            Angry orc 20 December 2015 10: 33
            +2
            they say about such people - I look in a book - I see a fig! Where did you see the calls for revolution? Let us then consider any discontent or criticism of the authorities as a call to revolution, then we will certainly live in ruin. The article not only talks about the problem, but also how to deal with it, if you do not see this problem or disagree with the way to solve it - I ask for reasoned criticism and not unfounded accusations
        2. Lev Leshchenko
          Lev Leshchenko 22 December 2015 01: 09
          0
          Quote: Mik13
          Yes, by the way - since this question was suddenly raised - and where can I read what is the ideology that St. 13 prohibits? Still, this is a law - there must be a strict definition.

          It is not ideology as such that is prohibited: "No ideology can be established as state or mandatory."
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 18 December 2015 08: 08
        18
        A Cossack kid from the wilderness of the Kuban region ... And what a miracle was the appearance of the son of an exiled fist from the Altai Territory ... Or a Belarusian peasant who rafted wood with his father and hardly finished the 7th grade ...
        as inspired from childhood: Nikolai Nekrasov
        SCHOOLBOY

        - Well, he went, for God's sake!
        Sky, spruce and sand -
        A sad road ...
        Hey! sit down to me, my friend!
        Feet barefoot, dirty body,
        And barely covered chest ...
        Do not be ashamed! what's the deal?
        This is a many glorious path.
        I see a book in my bag.
        So, you go to study ...
        I know: dad on the little son
        He kept the last penny.
        I know: the old clerk
        I gave a quarter
        What a traveling merchant
        Presented for seagulls.
        Or maybe you're a yard
        Of those released? .. Well then!
        The case is also not new -
        Do not be timid, you will not be lost!
        You’ll soon find out at school
        Like an archangel man
        On their own and God's will
        He became intelligent and great.
        Not without good souls in the world -
        Someone will take to Moscow
        Will you be at the university -
        A dream will come true!
        There is already a wide field:
        Know work and don't be scared ...
        That's why you deeply
        I love, dear Russia!
        Nature is not mediocre
        That land has not died yet
        What deduces from the people
        Know so many glories,
        So many kind, noble,
        Strong loving soul
        In the midst of dumb, cold
        And pompous by yourself!
      3. Roman Skomorokhov
        18 December 2015 08: 54
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        Quote: hydrox
        Please note: the article was not posted at all on the profile site, exactly after Putin's press conference and exactly 2 weeks after Putin's "message to NA" ...


        Please note: this is not the first such article.

        Quote: hydrox
        Or does someone think that such materials appear at the behest of the author?


        Do you have any direct evidence to the contrary?
        I generally write only on my own. Which, in fact, does not suit many.

        Quote: hydrox
        It seems that Putin realized that he was losing the fight against the Edoras.


        I do not know, I did not communicate with him. But the fact that the edru must begin to fold the neck is like any head into which it is not only eaten. If you need Putin’s sanction to understand this moment, then I don’t.
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        2. Aleksandr72
          Aleksandr72 18 December 2015 11: 40
          20
          According to an old, but very relevant saying: "the fish rots from the head" ... "but they clean it from the tail."
          Who do you want to clean, and most importantly - who will be involved in these cleanings.
          To think that brushing a couple of heads with a sword and everything will fall into place is criminal. It should be calm and balanced. Shorten the hands of the governors. Change especially ragged. And not just change, on the "people", but on the appropriately prepared. Same thing with the government. And also careful. For at this level with each replacement - as with a mine. In order not to explode.

          In principle, this idea of ​​the author is fair and quite sensible. One caveat - where to get "people's" and most importantly - trained governors (and not only them).
          A change in the ruling elite (rotation will not work - in the current reality, it will be the same eggs, side view) in modern Russia with its indefinite capitalist system will result in a social revolution. "EdRo" will not part with the authorities just like that, for a great life. And what a revolution in Russia is - is well known from history - "a senseless and merciless revolt."
          It was possible the adoption of the Chinese path of elite interchangeability, while the ideological foundations of the political system remain unchanged (the CCP rules). But ... in Russia there is no ideology as such (see article 13).
          Only questions - and not a single answer. The author raised an interesting topic, it’s a pity the recipes for treating the disease have not yet been seen.
          Chubais just leave. For life. That was where to poke your fingers.
          - It’s also true, categorically support, for one ma-a-a-scarlet clarification - Leave Ryzhiy to jail for life, after having deprived him of everything that he had plundered from the people and the country.
          I have the honor.
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 18 December 2015 12: 38
            +5
            Quote: Aleksandr72
            It was possible the adoption of the Chinese path of elite interchangeability, while the ideological foundations of the political system remain (PDA steers). But ... in Russia there is no ideology as such (see article 13).


            It’s a pity, it’s a pity that such an option was pointlessly missed ...


            "Only questions - and not a single answer"...

            That is the answers, but for some reason they all turn out to be radical ... But many (including me) do not want this ...

            PS And in addition, if we venture the internal troubles - then at the moment external enemies will tear us ... Everything, damn it, is interconnected ...
          2. Temples
            Temples 18 December 2015 12: 40
            +1
            Roma, what did you delete my comment?
            Did not like?

            And call Kandelaki. )))

            Can there be only those who echo you?

            A rebel in your own kitchen?
            Who is not with me, that I will delete !!!

            Hero!!!
        3. Altona
          Altona 18 December 2015 12: 04
          12
          Quote: Banshee
          I do not know, I did not communicate with him. But the fact that the edru must begin to fold the neck is like any head into which it is not only eaten. If you need Putin’s sanction to understand this moment, then I don’t.

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          I agree with this thesis. The question is, after all, in the technology of changing the ruling class. But it must be admitted that the situation is frozen. Financial flows go not to the development of the whole society, but through the well-worn channels to enrich the elite, and the “elite” do not want to become poor and shift their costs to the whole of society.
        4. kalibr
          kalibr 18 December 2015 18: 02
          0
          There is a wonderful way for a woman upstairs. The bust number and time to fall on your back ... And that’s it! Sooner or later, the upper hand is secured. There are examples too ...
      4. anfil
        anfil 18 December 2015 10: 31
        +1
        hydrox (2) RU Today, 07: 38 ↑

        But it’s too late: education and upbringing have gone into the wrong hands (and how else does Article 13 of the Constitution decipher the prohibition of state ideology? Exactly!)


        Do you need one single ideology?

        Then it is necessary to abolish the multi-party system and, as in the old days, forward to the victory of communism or to something else, depending on the ideology of the ruling party. Deviation from ideology (a step to the side, a jump on the spot) is punishable by execution or 25 years without the right to correspond.
        Well then, God forbid, in VO, to say something against the existing ideology, immediately lifelong disconnection from the Internet.
        1. Cyclone
          Cyclone 18 December 2015 10: 42
          0
          And without it you absolutely can’t?
        2. veksha50
          veksha50 18 December 2015 12: 49
          +7
          Quote: anfil
          Do you need one single ideology?



          Any (!!!) political ideology and any religion have the main initial goal - the conquest of the minds and hearts of a part of the population (people, if cynical - crowds) in order to manipulate its consciousness ... The applied value of achieving this goal is power (power) and wealth (again, strength) ...

          Even if the founders of some ideologies had in mind the achievement of the welfare of some part of the people, in the future their followers degenerated, and again saw the goal of power and wealth ...

          Pessimistic, isn't it ???

          But even anarchism - the freedom of everyone and everything from everything and everything - will never bring prosperity to anyone, but will bring only ruin ...

          Ideology is something that both the government and the people should strive for mutually ... And first of all, socio-economic problems must be solved that are mutually acceptable for both the government and the people ... And all this must be accompanied by the possibility of protecting the goals achieved from encroaching on her results ...

          All this is complicated ... Roman brought up such a topic that you won’t finish it in 5 minutes ... yes, what’s there for 5 minutes, centuries have been procrastinating on this topic, but there’s not much sense ...
        3. Pre-cat
          Pre-cat 18 December 2015 13: 51
          +4
          What is needed is not ideology, but a national idea. And then we hang out like a flower in the hole. One tactic, no strategy. And now, under the national idea, you can change people in power structures.
          1. Altona
            Altona 18 December 2015 17: 49
            0
            Quote: The cat is half-educated
            And now, under the national idea, you can change people in power structures.

            --------------------------
            In general, there is a universal criterion - to work for Russia, that is, to help strengthen the Russian state, its material base and the welfare of the population. The principle of working for the state is used by many countries.
        4. Down House
          Down House 18 December 2015 20: 35
          +1
          Quote: anfil
          Do you need one single ideology?

          And if you affirm it now, then only United Russia will remain.
      5. veksha50
        veksha50 18 December 2015 12: 08
        0
        Quote: hydrox
        Until the humanoid tendency is broken, Putin will not see good luck ..



        The creation of the ONF is already an attempt to take away part of the influence of the EP ... And if many of us become members of the ONF, and will support Putin (subject to this dispersal of this liberating) - maybe something will happen without a civil war ???

        PS But without repression - hardly ...
        1. Pre-cat
          Pre-cat 18 December 2015 13: 53
          +2
          You're right. Repression cannot be avoided. No one will voluntarily give up power or money.
        2. Altona
          Altona 18 December 2015 17: 51
          +2
          Quote: veksha50
          PS But without repression - hardly ...

          -------------------
          Putin clearly replied: "now is not 37 years old" ...
      6. Down House
        Down House 18 December 2015 20: 30
        +1
        Quote: hydrox
        Putin realized that he was defeated in the fight against the Edoras.

        Did he really fight with the Party of Power? Why would he even fight her ?!
        Quote: hydrox
        otherwise, Article 13 of the Constitution on the prohibition of state ideology

        It stands for "freedom of speech".
        Quote: hydrox
        and technocrats are completely absent in the elite, but humanoids rule the ball

        Yes, but in a post-industrial society it cannot be otherwise. Those who, besides the higher technical, and then the higher humanitarian received, understand why this is so.
        In general, it was not Putin who invented it, but Henry Ford.
        Ford and Stalin are 2 quantities that have had the most colossal impact on the course of historical evolution - teach "humanities" too hi
      7. spiriolla-45
        spiriolla-45 21 December 2015 09: 19
        0
        Cadres decide everything. Here are the shots we have, Mother Russia has always been rich in this. It is necessary to clear the place where these shots will have to be attached, but for this we need the oprichnina (GPU, NKVD) or something like that, the Edorasts themselves will not leave.
    2. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 18 December 2015 07: 45
      24
      But the fact that today Russia has its own stagnation is not necessary to prove.
      - from an article by Roman Skomorokhov

      Well, it finally broke through. Yes, indeed the era of Putin's stagnation in Russia.
      Before that, there was Brezhnevsky, although was it stagnation, or, according to the anecdote told by V.V. Putin "about the black and white stripes of life", you can revise that period and determine that then there was a "white stripe" in comparison with the current "black strip" of life and development of Russia.
      And stagnation, as a rule, ends with a social explosion that carries unpredictable consequences. It is a pity that, judging by the statement made at a press conference by V.V. Putin, the authorities do not understand.
      An attempt to mothball a thieving "elite" stricken with massive corruption, a predatory oligarchic social order will end badly for Russia.

      There is no "fresh blood flow" to the power structures?
      And where will it come from when the government artificially restrains the social and social activity of the people.

      To restore this "influx of fresh blood" into the government and the "elite", it is necessary to return to the foundations of Soviet power, to recreate a wide public deputy corps of the Soviets, which will allow the politically active population to come to power.
      To nominate to the management of enterprises and organizations, ministries not "managers" of a wide profile, hanging out here and there, but people who have been tested for years in production, in factory workshops, in design bureaus, so that we do not have such nominees who have neither life nor professional experience like Prime Minister Dima Medvedev and his deputy Dvorkovich.
      But all this is not needed by the modern government and the "elite", as it will inevitably undermine the foundations of the current "elite", the well-being of the current nouveau riche. Their welfare is dearer to them than the fate of Russia.
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      2. Cyclone
        Cyclone 18 December 2015 09: 17
        +1
        Don't be nervous gentlemen - Rem's stormtroopers, like himself, were also "that". And they also ended badly, as did the one for whom they cleared the way. laughing


        Peter's times with the absolute power of the boyars

        foreign Kokuy Semyon-Preobrazhensky noble mafia with non-traditional sexual orientation and associates who joined it ...
        However, this did not prevent them from introducing the right of the first night in most of the European part of the Russian Empire (which was not the case under the boyars and princes), and the people who rebelled against this lawlessness were called "Pugachevism" and other bad words.
        1. Temples
          Temples 18 December 2015 09: 54
          -5
          Cyclone, you are talking about this on the wrong site.

          There is only a story from textbooks of the USSR.
          Well, or as maximum stories written by the Germans for the Romanovs.

          Cossacks are fugitive slaves, boyars are enemies of the Russian people and similar "truth".
          So, be prepared for the red numbers and numbers.)))
          1. Cyclone
            Cyclone 18 December 2015 10: 12
            +1
            The suite makes the king. lol Starting from "funny" and up to Napoleon, they were not novels, even in DNA.
            Then, as soon as the Kings were Russified, and they began to give the people free any rubbish because of this, they tried to kill them with the Families, beginning with the Decembrist Masons.
      3. Heritologist
        Heritologist 18 December 2015 12: 27
        +9
        Quote: vladimirZ
        There is no "fresh blood flow" to the power structures?
        And where will it come from when the government artificially restrains the social and social activity of the people.

        That's it! Many here like to whine: well, we’ll remove these, and who will we put in their place? And summarize - that there is no alternative to them ... And about the GDP (NashEverything) as well, no one understands it. He is one of us, caring, wise, knowing everything, understanding everything ...
        So where does this very alternative come from when any movements that are at least somehow threatening even the cosmetic redistribution of the old and frankly bastard (oligarcho-bureaucratic) system are suppressed and do not receive any development. Accusations of betrayal, the State Department, the 5th convoy immediately pour in ... Ugh. Patriots homegrown.
        EdRo is generally a Bogomers organization, whose rotten essence is visible to the naked eye. Overgrown with meat, fat, turned into a miserable, caricature semblance of the CPSU.
        My friend works in the pension system, she is a good specialist, she went on to increase ... So she was forced to join EdRo voluntarily-forcibly (she doesn’t share her views), otherwise she wouldn’t have any career growth. Sit understand and do not curry favor ...
        It has long been clear to many that the so-called. the social lift is open only to "devotees" and not to the professional qualities of a person. That's the whole point.
        The powers that be have ceased even to be afraid of tension in society, apparently they believe that this is manageable ... Or maybe this is really so?
        1. Down House
          Down House 18 December 2015 20: 45
          0
          Quote: Heritologist
          oligarchic-bureaucratic

          It is this system that functions in any capitalist society, and believe me, the influence of the "oligarchs" on the economy and society is still very, very weak.
          Quote: Heritologist
          Accusations of betrayal are pouring right there, State Department, 5th convoy

          So the fact of the matter is that in modern realities (and only he does not see them who are not interested in news about abroad), these accusations are absolutely justified!
          Quote: Heritologist
          otherwise no career growth.

          USSR heritage fellow
          Quote: Heritologist
          the social lift is open only to "devotees" and not to the professional qualities of a person.

          Nonsense! Social lifts are different, ours is predominantly "economic" - and business adheres to completely different political views and in loyalty to anything and to no one usually does not report.
          Quote: Heritologist
          The powers that be have ceased even to be afraid of tension in society, apparently they believe that this is manageable ... Or maybe this is really so?

          Yes, in the 21st century, society is completely governed by political will in the country.
          1. Heritologist
            Heritologist 18 December 2015 22: 32
            +3
            Quote: Down House
            here the influence of the "oligarchs" on the economy and society is still very, very weak.

            What...? Well, you give a pancake ...
            It is the economic interests of the oligarchy that are decisive in decision making, incl. and political decisions.
            Quote: Down House
            So the fact of the matter is that in modern realities (and only he does not see them who are not interested in news about abroad), these accusations are absolutely justified!

            In this situation, you can safely add me to the list of agents of the State Department. And where do I get a salary accidentally do not know?
            And best of all, learn to distinguish between fair and reasonable criticism, from the machinations of the State Department. Spy mania was bred here ... And meanwhile, the most important traitors are in plain sight.
            Quote: Down House
            Nonsense! Social lifts are different, ours is predominantly "economic" - and business adheres to completely different political views and in loyalty to anything and to no one usually does not report.

            That's the whole point that the so-called. "business" merges with the state. Thus, we get legalized theft, corruption and the very oligarchy.
            Quote: Down House
            Yes, in the 21st century, society is completely governed by political will in the country.

            The will of crooks and thieves.
            1. Down House
              Down House 18 December 2015 23: 42
              -2
              Quote: Heritologist
              It is the economic interests of the oligarchy that are decisive in making decisions

              Let's say, and now let's think - how many people directly work for these "omnipotent and greedy" oligarchs and directly depends on their interests?
              Quote: Heritologist
              including and political decisions.

              Let's say, and now let's think again - how wide are the political views and interests of these very "oligarchs"?
              Quote: Heritologist
              And best of all, learn to distinguish between fair and reasonable criticism.

              I distinguish - at least 95% of all criticisms on the Internet are unreasonable complaints about one’s financial situation or what other position — but every smith of his own happiness.
              Quote: Heritologist
              "business" merges with the state.

              This has always been so historically, for example, in South Korea and other countries of the region, almost the entire country and economy in general belongs to the Chaebols and this is not even hidden unlike the United States.
              Here, if there can be constructive discontent, it is only to the quality of the "business" itself - but not to the very fact of the merger, it is inevitable and lies in the very nature of the State request
              Quote: Heritologist
              The will of crooks and thieves.

              The wills of their government corporations and so on and so forth.
              In an extreme case, the "cobblestone" is no longer a tool of the proletariat, one BMP and the end of the whole Aurora - it must be understood that any "dialogue" with the authorities can now only be Constructive and Partnership, or it will not exist at all - who understands this either in the EP or next to they either just talk about fellow
      4. kalibr
        kalibr 18 December 2015 18: 06
        +2
        Quote: vladimirZ
        they will surely return to the foundations of Soviet power, to recreate a broad public deputy corps of Soviets, which will allow the politically active population to come to power.

        You will fantasize what it was. It was this: ONE DELEGATE FROM THE PRE-PREVIOUS TIME AT THE EXITS, HE DRIVED HARDLY. EYES REDED FROM RED CAVIAR, SOUL BLACKED FROM BLACK ... This was sung in Soviet times so ... People, they felt their way!
      5. Down House
        Down House 18 December 2015 20: 39
        0
        Quote: vladimirZ
        recreate a broad public deputy corps of Soviets

        And it will be anarchy - without unity of command everyone will chat and do nothing - we have already passed this.
    3. Skif83
      Skif83 18 December 2015 08: 41
      20
      In Russia, without outside help, rarely when "vomited". There are medications for outside help in the form of FSB, etc.
      But other means are needed from internal misfortunes. First of all, we need a national idea, an ideology of creation, as you like, call it, but it should be, because only on the basis of it can strategic development of the state be planned.
      Tired, to be honest, these are the opuses: -
      We often hear wishes to “remove everyone”. Medvedev, Nabiullina, Ulyukaeva. Everyone. But the question arises: who is in their place? And how effective will those who replace them be?
      .
      What Russia has become poor in talents? That there are no conscientious executive people left?
      That's just on this click light wedge converged !?
      I repeat a hundred times, under Stalin, the country was raised twice from a more difficult state, after the most difficult wars, it was built in a shorter time and better!
      But this hackneyed deck, which has been hanging out for 15 and more years ...? What is created? What is built? Will we compare with Soviet times?
      This is all nonsense, there are decent and competent people in the country, but one gets the impression that they are not needed there, above, because these "gears" can start the car in the other direction.
      But what about the butlers and Shuvalovs, the great menagers (with emphasis on the last syllable), where would they go and how could poor Russia be without them?
      The same Dvorkovich, where and by whom did he work, what experience does he have? Yes, no, but he is engaged in the selection and training of personnel for public administration !!!
      Well, what pickers, such and frames.
      Or is it Nurgaliev that, with him, the Ministry of Internal Affairs achieved outstanding results? Yes, corruption and impunity in the Ministry of Internal Affairs only flourished in full growth.
      Taubretkin ..., lowered the army below the plinth, now he is one of the directors of Russian Helicopters.
      Because we are stormy because the directors of furniture stores control us ...
      In order to nurture the national elite, you must first decide on a national idea and development strategy, the President must replace the highest level of management and personally oversee the selection of personnel. For the elite, the strictest framework must be in place; an official should not receive a salary thousands of times more than a nurse in a hospital or a worker at a machine tool ... etc. And they must answer based on the results of their tenure. The industry indicators have decreased or worsened, answer in full! And so, he ruined the army, and you were in a warm chair, and why should they be afraid then?
      It’s just that when we go to vote, we must remember that this government and the authorities didn’t surrender the stools, nurgaliyevs and others like them, i.e. “Corporate” interests are closer to them than the people! Those. is this power not native to us, and not even a cousin !?
      1. 34 region
        34 region 18 December 2015 10: 37
        +6
        In general, there is a suggestion. It’s like in football. The team lost the trainer out. How many coaches have already changed in sports? And in the upper echelons of leadership? I mean by the results of the work.
        1. Ivan_ich
          Ivan_ich 18 December 2015 11: 56
          +3
          Quote: 34 region
          In general, there is a suggestion. It’s like in football. The team lost the trainer out. How many coaches have already changed in sports? And in the upper echelons of leadership? I mean by the results of the work.

          The problem is that football does not get better from this.
      2. anfil
        anfil 18 December 2015 10: 59
        +2
        Skif83
        But this hackneyed deck, which has been hanging out for 15 and more years ...? What is created? What is built? Will we compare with Soviet times?


        Do you think this deck was hanging out or changing more often?



        Regarding the fact that this is done here:http://www.sdelanounas.ru/
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        2. summer
          summer 18 December 2015 11: 34
          12
          Citizens fellow Russians. Pay attention, be affectionate, to the content of the messages (information packages) of your media. It feels like we're at a matinee for the "children of the sun." Yes, with Down Syndrome. The First TV Channel lists important events for today - Spielberg’s birthday, B. Pitt’s birthday, singer’s birthday by Aguillera’s mouth, etc.

          What kind of broadcast country is this? Where did I go? It’s not possible to run directly into Putin, so we give an example of an erection of some kind of scientist journalism from the British fly. Parity restored.

          The conflict between the "information elite of Russia", represented by Kandelaki, with Mikhalkov is simply a breakthrough of pus from a long-ripened abscess.

          Your country is under siege, practically waging war. Including informational. And it is very significant that openly condom “persons” act as field commanders in it.

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          4. summer
            summer 18 December 2015 11: 53
            +5
            It turns out that the patriot Mikhalkov in this war is the fifth column. And from the first to the fourth, seventh, eighth, etc. - this is the "sixth" column - whom? Well, you guessed it, a little tea.

            On the screens there is one deck of greasy cards, from which they drop out only because of a) death, b) stroke, c) frankly irreparable age-related defects of the face, d) “there are only a few who can die”.
            Kodla Pugachevaivsevsevse ..
            They are replaced by "young talents"
            With characteristic manners of the goat Timur - the hero of our time. What is characteristic is the hero Timur, and not Cupid. And that one is just strong and stupid - a Russian vanka, sucker.


            and again "two in one"

            Something, Something, Something, Something ??????????? 7
            These are "fresh" screenshots. It continues to pour in a torrent.
            What nafig social elevators? There, thieves seized all the places.

            I’m not saying anything about the media in my habitat just because the abscess of the Russian media is still being treated with therapy, then for the gangrene of ukro-media it’s “execution by hanging”.
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            2. sa-ag
              sa-ag 18 December 2015 12: 29
              +1
              Quote: summer
              With characteristic manners of the goat Timur - the hero of our time. What is characteristic - the hero Timur

              Hmmm, but I thought "goat time" it was talking about the 90s :-)
          5. anfil
            anfil 18 December 2015 14: 25
            +3
            The conflict between the "information elite of Russia", represented by Kandelaki, with Mikhalkov is simply a breakthrough of pus from a long-ripened abscess.


            It gave its results

            1. mervino2007
              mervino2007 18 December 2015 17: 54
              +2
              Yes, 700 thousand views of BesogonTV # 38! We looked at the most active ones. The effect of concealing the anti-Russian conflict Kandelaki - Mikhalkov, without showing this program, showed that the leadership of our media (including TV channels) is covering up the anti-Russian, anti-popular actions of their "accomplices."
          6. summer
            summer 18 December 2015 18: 14
            0
            I ask you to forgive me for my involuntary pun.
            "Ryusky vanka" is Vanka Zhukov, and not that (well understood) - Ivan Andreevich himself.

            After all, in life he is by no means a sucker .. He did not go to the fifth column in suckers.

            And I really wanted to ..

            He replaced the previous gag of the famous Dagestan singer's mouth with the mouth of M. Tishman, which led to the withering of the page on Wiki of the last mentioned subject.

            "Leaves of leaves" flew off in the 11th year. But the page of Mark Iosifovich still overlaps in size 5 pages of candidates for MEMBERS of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU model one thousand eight hundred and ninety-three, caliber 7,62 R.

            There is not only a schedule of visits by a subject to the toilet with costing of consumables. Just love and respect for oneself, beloved, have "some civilian" borders. This is dimensionless as a “failure repair”.
          7. Down House
            Down House 18 December 2015 20: 54
            +1
            Quote: summer
            The First TV Channel lists important events for today - Spielberg’s birthday, B. Pitt’s birthday, singer’s birthday by Aguillera’s mouth, etc.

            There is MUCH MUCH GOING ON Channel One - including entertainment programs.
      3. Konstantin Yu
        Konstantin Yu 18 December 2015 11: 51
        +1
        Quote: Skif83
        Just when we go to vote, you need to remember

        You do not tell me who was worthy in those elections? ..and about the merits of competitors, rescuers in the studio .... I think the question is in the worthy staff themselves and in the media. Not only negativity, nightmare-type people all thieves, morons, but also about the successes of sensible business executives ...
        About Peter .. I'm sure that pro-Western reforms have a downside, Destruction of Slavic spirituality, culture ... starting with beards ... But let the sleek image of a reformer remain in the memory of schoolchildren.
      4. nils
        nils 18 December 2015 12: 45
        +5
        Quote: Skif83
        In order to nurture the national elite, you must first decide on a national idea and development strategy, the President must replace the highest level of management and personally oversee the selection of personnel.


        Within the framework of this liberal-democratic system, do you want to introduce a different "national" idea? Naive! What is the system - so are the personnel. The president is no exception.
        1. yuriy55
          yuriy55 19 December 2015 03: 41
          +2
          Quote: nils
          Quote: Skif83
          In order to nurture the national elite, you must first decide on a national idea and development strategy, the President must replace the highest level of management and personally oversee the selection of personnel.


          Within the framework of this liberal-democratic system, do you want to introduce a different "national" idea? Naive! What is the system - so are the personnel. The president is no exception.


          You do not make fun of the messages, but to begin with, voice your understanding of the existing liberal democratic system. Your national idea ... Can you? what

          This is how our government could not voice all this under the strict guidance of the party of thieves. And when it began to burn from all sides, they rushed into the arms of the hurray-patriots, who only insist that "whoever is not with us is against us." And "ONE" scamper across all the vast expanses, from Crimea to Vladivostok, proving their professional suitability. Just between the aforementioned territories and Moscow, a little less than 130 million people live in the rest of the Russian space. Who will also gladly accept the changes, at least in the creation of jobs, enterprises where it will be possible to earn a living ...
          What do you personally offer? Execution can not be pardoned (,)?
          I suggest starting to cut by the principle of the easiest retirement (after 60-65 years). So that they do not indulge themselves with illusory hopes of "living happily ever after and dying in one day at the workplace."
          I propose to expel from work without the right to place in government agencies those who do not show anything outstanding, whose name has become a household word. And especially presumptuous in accordance with the adopted (?) Article 20 of the UN on corruption, leave in what they came to the civil service.

          Do you know what scariest organizations scared developed socialism in the USSR? KGB and OBHSS ... yes
          This is because they actually watched, checked and punished ... Up to the separation of the guilty with "the opportunity to breathe and enjoy" ... And there was no mass theft, just as state officials did not have accounts in foreign banks and real estate abroad. And these figures lived in the same cities with us, traveled along the same streets, rested in the same Crimea, taking care of their surroundings and the environment ... yes

          So, we wish modern Russian leaders a happy life with us for measurable incomes with our income in our native country ...
          hi
      5. veksha50
        veksha50 18 December 2015 12: 56
        +5
        Quote: Skif83
        there are decent and competent people in the country, but it seems that they are not needed there, above, because these "gears" can start the car in the other direction



        !!!

        Key message ...
      6. kalibr
        kalibr 18 December 2015 18: 10
        +2
        On the one hand there were immigrants from the people of Lomonosov and Kalashnikovs, on the other Vlasov, Nurgaliyev and Taburetkin ... Where to get the aristocrats of the spirit in the 4-th generation?
      7. Down House
        Down House 18 December 2015 20: 51
        -1
        Quote: Skif83
        I repeat a hundred times, under Stalin, the country was raised twice from a more difficult state, after the most difficult wars, it was built in a shorter time and better!
        But this hackneyed deck, which has been hanging out for 15 and more years ...? What is created? What is built? Will we compare with Soviet times?

        Yes, repeat to you at least 1000 times that under Stalin and under Putin, the leadership has radically different goals - under Stalin, "industrialization at any cost" under Putin is mainly to improve the living standards of the population, mainly at the expense of business.
        It is NOT POSSIBLE to raise the standard of living and carry out "industrialization" at the same time in a country without colonies - because "industrialization" is NOT POSSIBLE without tens of millions of proletarians living in barracks and working "24 hours"!
        1. Heritologist
          Heritologist 18 December 2015 22: 51
          +4
          Quote: Down House
          under Stalin, "industrialization at any cost" under Putin predominantly raising the standard of living of the population

          Holy thing!
          I believe in "improving the living standards of the population" of some of the elite.
          1. Down House
            Down House 19 December 2015 00: 55
            -1
            Quote: Heritologist
            I believe in "improving the living standards of the population" of some of the elite.

            What confuses you here?
            People in similar positions in private companies earn no less, and the number of wealthy people in Russia is clearly not limited to the Forbes list.
            1. yuriy55
              yuriy55 19 December 2015 03: 51
              +5
              Quote: Down House
              Quote: Heritologist
              I believe in "improving the living standards of the population" of some of the elite.

              What confuses you here?
              People in similar positions in private companies earn no less, and the number of wealthy people in Russia is clearly not limited to the Forbes list.


              Believe me, no embarrassment ... Nothing personal ... Only in order to earn that kind of money, you need to create this very campaign with your own hump, and not on someone else's, and not run the privatization business with the help of the "redhead" with the connivance of the "drunk" and not to buy the abandoned (?) state property at dumping prices.

              By the way. A progressive income taxation scale could somewhat equalize the difference and smooth out the excitement of the electorate ...
              hi
    4. Ivan_ich
      Ivan_ich 18 December 2015 11: 59
      +2
      Quote: parusnik
      To not explode...Without this you can’t ... surely explode .. New nuts on a rusty thread ..

      Ukrainian Maidan served as a good vaccine for Russia from various abscesses. Enough of us revolution. Another medicine needs to be raised ...
      1. IS-80
        IS-80 18 December 2015 12: 04
        +4
        Quote: Ivan_ich
        Ukrainian Maidan served as a good vaccine for Russia from various abscesses. Enough of us revolution. Another medicine needs to be raised ...

        What, dear are you our pharmacist?
        1. INTER
          INTER 18 December 2015 15: 58
          +6
          The article touches on many realities of our time, what is needed and how to solve the problem. But, reality unfortunately differs from the best option. I am writing about this as a fortunately former municipal employee who worked for about 3 years in a provincial area. And the district administration is a small model of a large apparatus. I’ll tell you by my example that I was offered a job and worked, there were results, the district took prizes for three years in a row in terms of social rates. economic development, they developed the best invest passport, etc. They promised me as a young specialist a lot right up to the head of the department, but they promised so far that he didn’t quit. And the boss was a close man who did not know where the cat button is located. turn on the computer. So, I went through all this and frankly, in Russia there is no place for sensible, economic, honest officials. Or not yet. And if you will be so, you will have a lot of enemies, because you will be objectionable to the old system, where corruption, cohesion, blat triumph, I’m the boss you.
          So tell me, how can a person be, for example, the Minister of Construction if he has not mixed 3-10 cubic meters of concrete or the Minister of Agriculture, who does not know how to mow Russian grass and does not mow a couple of hectares in his life, or the Minister of Industry who does not stood behind the lathe for at least a year ?????????????????????????
          In Peter's times, it was precisely these people (who knew their job) who occupied key places, and now ?? Some sissies in white shirts! Peter himself was a carpenter, shipbuilder, sailor, etc. This is the state success!

          Something like this! He also contributed to the discussion of the issue! what
        2. Ivan_ich
          Ivan_ich 19 December 2015 08: 24
          0
          Quote: IS-80
          Quote: Ivan_ich
          Ukrainian Maidan served as a good vaccine for Russia from various abscesses. Enough of us revolution. Another medicine needs to be raised ...

          What, dear are you our pharmacist?

          My dearest. The site of pharmacists has a different address. This discussion is about state policy. Politics is about people. People are the cure. If you are not able to understand very literal metaphors, I can only sympathize. Read more smart books and then such comments will not be a mystery to you.
      2. yuriy55
        yuriy55 19 December 2015 03: 55
        0
        Quote: Ivan_ich
        Quote: parusnik
        To not explode...Without this you can’t ... surely explode .. New nuts on a rusty thread ..

        Ukrainian Maidan served as a good vaccine for Russia from various abscesses. Enough of us revolution. Another medicine needs to be raised ...


        Why grow it (?) When it is invented:
    5. Down House
      Down House 18 December 2015 19: 02
      0
      Quote: parusnik
      New nuts on rusty threads

      Of course, it’s nice to read such artistic metaphors, but if you distract from poetry, what exactly did you mean? hi
  2. Mik13
    Mik13 18 December 2015 06: 44
    +2
    But Suvorov, it turns out, is also from the Peter nobility? Did not know.
    1. PPL
      PPL 18 December 2015 08: 05
      12
      Father A.V. Suvorov - Vasily Suvorov, was the godson of Peter I. And he really rose to the rank of General-General.
  3. 24rus
    24rus 18 December 2015 06: 45
    +1
    Maybe you need a plan, a doctrine on the rise of the economy and industry. As after the Second World War. Lure commercial managers of business executives into these state structures and nationalize the raw materials industry.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 18 December 2015 07: 42
      +8
      Humanitarian huckster "reforge" into technocrats-business executives ???
      Have you decided to mock common sense?
      1. AlNikolaich
        AlNikolaich 18 December 2015 08: 40
        +9
        Quote: hydrox
        Humanitarian huckster "reforge" into technocrats-business executives ???
        Have you decided to mock common sense?

        And why do you doubt the presence of technocrats in businessmen? A normal commercial company implementing programs for the sale of sophisticated equipment, Internet services and telecommunications has very serious engineering personnel! Otherwise, her work is doomed to failure! Indeed, a business man, a technocrat, is now more likely to be found in commercial structures than in state sectors! There, real money is paid for professional work, and other nishtyaki, such as apartments, official transport, and other things. The question is how to lure people from there?
        1. Roman Skomorokhov
          18 December 2015 09: 02
          +9
          Quote: AlNikolaich
          And why do you doubt the availability of technocrats from merchants?


          Yes, a shaft of examples.
          http://www.tese.ru/

          Absolutely private factory. We started with drive belts, today - the largest manufacturer of spare parts for agricultural machinery and equipment itself. Are there bad managers?
        2. 34 region
          34 region 18 December 2015 10: 40
          +4
          How to lure? And how was they lured into the army? What are bad social guarantees and good salaries?
      2. Down House
        Down House 18 December 2015 20: 59
        +1
        Quote: hydrox
        Have you decided to mock common sense?

        Look at the economic indicators of other countries, from the USA to Japan - there, "thanks to" Grandpa Ford, only "hucksters" control production.
        And this is not to say that it is so, but it just works too!
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 18 December 2015 12: 07
      +7
      Quote: 24rus
      Maybe you need a plan, a doctrine on the rise of the economy and industry. As after the Second World War. Lure commercial managers of business executives into these state structures and nationalize the raw materials industry.

      To begin with, it would not be bad to amend the regulation on the civil service, where the concept of rotation is mandatory. From the head of the ROVD, the district prosecutor, the judge, the heads of municipalities and the heads of departments, to change places every 3-5 years with neighboring regions, so that they do not have an overlap of interests that generate mutual responsibility and corrupt interests. If you are a servant of the sovereign, then be kind to serve where the state determines your place. For this, their salaries are high and pension surcharges for public service are not frail. Otherwise, after 10-15 years of "one-man" service, they turn into local princes who protect their interests more than the interests of the sovereign.
      They begin to hang out, then they begin to observe the law to watch each other with apprehension. And the governors should be assessed by the number of jobs created and investments attracted, so as not to be distracted by thoughts about how to cut the budget. There is no increase in production and economy in the region - go for free bread. Then they will begin to move their vertical to the very bottom.
      In short, it is possible to resolve the issue, there would be a desire.
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 19 December 2015 04: 02
        0
        Thank! Pleased ...

        I would still introduce age norms and TRP norms to them ... Can't you move? Move the move ...
  4. apro
    apro 18 December 2015 06: 52
    13
    The educational system, the management system, the personnel selection system, the ideological system wins, and if it is not there, then no matter what kind of prodigy a specialist will be, by and large there will be no sense. Today, Russian systems are destroyed and are not capable of updating and regulating themselves. In the USSR, the communist The IVS Stalin system proved to be effective, but the communist system of Khrushchev led to the breakdown of 91 years. There were outstanding people, but the IVS Stalin system demanded them and made it possible for self-realization and, most importantly, to work for society. The new creators who are in demand today need a big question for today's system. Social elevators today this is some kind of enticement, due to the inappropriateness of the system of self-purification and resolving issues in favor of society.
  5. knn54
    knn54 18 December 2015 06: 53
    30
    In the social elevator in the country, the youth rises, whose dad owns the elevators.
    1. Kuzyakin15
      Kuzyakin15 18 December 2015 07: 07
      +7
      Quote: knn54
      In the social elevator in the country, the youth rises, whose dad owns the elevators.

      That's for sure. This is already the law, in all areas in Russia. And as it’s already little to believe that changes in the positive direction are possible
    2. sa-zz
      sa-zz 18 December 2015 07: 19
      13
      For several years, a presidential program was in place (it seems to have ended already) on the training of managerial personnel, the great thousands have unlearned, but I do not see where they are.
      What was all this about?
      No one from my circle "pulled away" anywhere, like capable guys - without bad habits, patriots. Riddle. It's a shame damn
    3. hydrox
      hydrox 18 December 2015 07: 45
      22
      This is not an elevator, this is a family contract at the trough in action.
    4. Down House
      Down House 18 December 2015 21: 02
      0
      Quote: knn54
      In the social elevator in the country, the youth rises, whose dad owns the elevators.

      It has always been and will be, it is called "Intergenerational Mobility" - just in the topic of the article.
    5. yuriy55
      yuriy55 19 December 2015 04: 14
      +3
      Quote: knn54
      In the social elevator in the country, the youth rises, whose dad owns the elevators.

      What can you object?
  6. Same lech
    Same lech 18 December 2015 07: 04
    11
    The novel raised an urgent problem for our country and it must be solved as soon as possible ... unfortunately at the press conference yesterday the head of state gave a clear answer ... so there will be no evolution in the economy.
    There will be stagnation with a predicted result
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      18 December 2015 09: 03
      +5
      The problem is that it cannot be solved as soon as possible.
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 19 December 2015 04: 21
        +1
        In the shortest possible time, only three problems can be successfully solved: catching fleas, diarrhea, and adultery with someone else's wife ...

        But the first steps are necessary. Because all-continuing impunity ensures the birth of mass permissiveness ...

        Maybe even among our grain messages, at least some of the non-empty ones will grow ...
        hi
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 December 2015 07: 08
    11
    Fresh blood has always been needed in economics, management, science and education. But it is really difficult for the current "Lomonosov" to get into the elevator that goes up. The trouble is that he will not even be taken to the wagon train that goes to Moscow. And in the management apparatus it has long been necessary to clean up. Why were there such cleansing (over-statistics) in the army and the police, while officials of the highest and middle levels do not get their hands on it.
    1. moskowit
      moskowit 18 December 2015 08: 16
      +8
      Because in law enforcement agencies, these "cleansings" were carried out at the suggestion of these very officials. Under the sonorous slogans of fighting with that ... and with that ... They also purge those who pose a danger to the apparatus. And in order to clean the officials, either the Party Control Committee (CPC) headed by such as Mehlis ... or a kind of "oprichnina", which in principle gives only a temporary improvement in the situation. The bureaucratic "hydra" generates itself.
      1. creak
        creak 18 December 2015 11: 09
        +2
        Quote: moskowit
        or party control committee (CCP) led by such as Mehlis


        And the party control committee from which party will it be? Again from the same "United Russia" (or the Communist Party of the Soviet Union will revive) - well, well, as they say, the same eggs, only ... But how will this committee control non-party people?
        And which controller from Mehlis was shown, for example, by the Kerch catastrophe of 1942, where he was a representative of the Stavka ... Only because of his proximity to the leader they didn’t put him nose to the wall, like other generals, and Stalin only with a bang removed Mehlis from the post of chief Glavpur and lowered the rank by two steps ...
        And in the future, as a member of the Military Council of a number of fronts, Mehlis did not show any special talents, except for slander at the Center, he was a master at that ... But we lack him now ... God save us from such controllers .. .
        PS By the way, Mehlis never headed the CCP, but was the Commissar of State Control, and this is far from the same ...
        1. kotvov
          kotvov 18 December 2015 13: 33
          +1
          And the party control committee from which party will it be? Again from the same "United Russia"
          yes at least from the NF. alternative to all these ,, parties ,,
          1. moskowit
            moskowit 18 December 2015 17: 51
            +1
            No need to take it literally. Just a supervisor. If you want the Areopagus of decent, honest people .... Ethics Committee, if you want. Only endowed with serious powers ...
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            3. yuriy55
              yuriy55 19 December 2015 04: 31
              0
              Quote: moskowit
              No need to take it literally. Just a supervisor. If you want the Areopagus of decent, honest people .... Ethics Committee, if you want. Only endowed with serious powers ...


              I don’t know why no one approved? And you need to name it:
        2. moskowit
          moskowit 18 December 2015 17: 49
          +2
          You, Victor, have some kind of narrow thinking. You know perfectly well what I mean. It is just that people are needed for whom the importance of the case does not obscure the soul of the "golden calf", who, indeed, state affairs are higher than thoughtless hoarding ...
        3. moskowit
          moskowit 18 December 2015 18: 13
          0
          Let me give you a moment of your attention. Already about the declared character. Apparently, you didn’t have the time to familiarize yourself with the duties of the Members of the Military Council of the Fronts and Armies, where the qualities of military leaders were completely optional. Although they had had general ranks since January 1943, they were engaged in purely political and rear functions. They also controlled the supply of fronts and armies to everyone, which ensures their combat capabilities. A. that some commanders could not deliver Colonel-General Mehlis L.Z. in his official framework, this only proves their conformism ...
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          2. creak
            creak 18 December 2015 19: 23
            +2
            Quote: moskowit
            You, Victor, have some kind of narrow thinking


            It is a great honor for me that such a person as you, Nikolai Ivanovich, drew attention to my humble comment. Your horizons, presumably, will be wider than mine, but nevertheless I dare to notice something ...
            Ethics Committee - here we need the Criminal Code and its rigorous application regardless of the person, and not moral authorities like Academician Likhachev, sitting in some kind of areopag ... Today we have all sorts of services and bodies that have more than enough authority, we need only the political will to apply them, and not yet another office (ethics is not from this opera - but Vaska listens and eats - remember)?
            As for the responsibilities of the PMCs, I got acquainted with them when I served ... And when I talked about such an odious figure as Mehlis, I think you also had no time to get acquainted with Stalin's unflattering remarks about him, about his role in the Kerch disaster - they Now it’s in the public domain, I won’t repeat them (he already knew Mehlis as flaky) - read, I think you have gaps in this regard ..
            And the last - being a PMC of a number of fronts, Mehlis, instead of his direct duties, was engaged in denunciations and squabbles - so he sometimes did not have time for another ...
    2. Heritologist
      Heritologist 18 December 2015 13: 06
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Why in the army, police such purges (re-statistics) were

      All these purges are for chickens to laugh. So visibility, dusting in the eyes, the illusion of transformation ... Specifically, according to the police, the people who worked on the ground were reduced and retired, and the command, personnel and bureaucratic apparatus did not go away.
      T.N. "reform" has done more harm than tangible benefit. IMHO.
  8. Sirocco
    Sirocco 18 December 2015 07: 12
    19
    Yeah, a difficult task. What to do in such a situation as described, immediately and there are no proposals.
    Today's day resembles both Peter's times, with the absolute power of the boyars, and Stalin's times, with the "old Bolsheviks"

    It just reminds that something is not heard, the names and surnames of the boyars, in the modern army, politics, and the scientific community. But often we hear the names of these children, in the reports of accidents, accidents, showdowns in clubs, and shootings.
    I wonder if the GDP has a team on which he can rely, and we, as voters, entrusted him to run the country? Will the representatives of his team be able to continue the work of Putin further, after his departure (God forbid) as it was during the years of the Union ??? In connection with what is given in the article, no. For I do not see the gestures of these Boyars, towards the population and voters. All of their loved ones are baked, but not about the state.
    We go further.
    About reduction, optimization and theft.
    And he began with what? Right, with cost savings. That is, with layoffs and cuts.

    I can say about the Russian Railways, where the reductions look very strange, they cut the hard workers, but the engineers and technicians are increasing, the remaining hard workers are hanging the work cut, for a penny (KOPECHNY) bonus. But do not forget about yourself. According to the teacher from the training center, Russian Railways, rolls down in the 90s, despite the frequent inspections, the situation worsens, injuries increase.
    In short, the road was torn apart, either in SKA, or in what private hands, you won’t find the last one, these private traders cut their salaries, save on slaves, but babosi and material values ​​are stolen without hesitation. Even now.
    Well. How to be and where are we going? The most important thing to do, I can’t imagine.
    With such "Boyars" and the situation as in Nenko Ukraine is not far away. Patriotism alone will not go far, and you will not be full. So I am in deep sadness. request
    1. Quager
      Quager 18 December 2015 09: 48
      +5
      In Russian Railways, epic kickbacks are still what checks ...
    2. minus
      minus 18 December 2015 10: 55
      +8
      About Russian Railways ... A month ago, I spoke with a friend who works in Russian Railways ... South of the Krasnoyarsk Territory ... New equipment arrived, but it was handed over to some structural unit that deals with its maintenance and repair. Now the units that use it are paying crazy money for renting this equipment ...
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 18 December 2015 13: 28
        +3
        A new equipment came, but it was transferred to some structural unit that deals with its maintenance and repair. Now the units that use it are paying crazy money for renting this equipment ..


        Either you misunderstood, or your comrade. In the Russian Railways system, no one pays a rent. The problem is that there is a separation of operation and repair. In the same depot there are two administrations, one - PM (operation), the second - TMX-Service. And here it’s really for the same spare parts that they used to when they are repairing, they are fighting wild money.
        1. IS-80
          IS-80 18 December 2015 14: 21
          +3
          Quote: alicante11
          The problem is that there is a separation of operation and repair.

          What's the problem? Everything is according to Stalin-Wasserman with its MTS and collective farms. And in theory, everything should be fine. Well, or according to Gaidar, competition, the invisible hand of the market and other fabulous miracles.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 19 December 2015 07: 56
            +3
            The problem is that MTS serviced several collective farms and received new equipment, and service locomotive depots were created simply stupidly on the basis of repair shops of the former main locomotive depots and use the same equipment. But at the same time, the managerial staff is 2 times larger.
  9. Neophyte
    Neophyte 18 December 2015 07: 15
    +3
    Professor Savelyev, has long proposed a brain-cerebral sorting! Managers, athletes, scientists, etc., could make Russia a world leader!
    However, the authorities are afraid of such an offer, and suddenly they will be out of work?
  10. Vital1
    Vital1 18 December 2015 07: 18
    24
    Until there are patriots in the country in the literal sense of the word, who will work for the Motherland and for the good of the people, like the great human being Stalin, there will be nothing in our country. A small example: in the 30s, in order to cut government spending, he cut the state apparatus and their salaries. The People's Commissar of the NKVD had a salary of 3500, and a miner to a maximum of 8000 rubles. So compare now how their salaries differ from the miners' ones. I found an interesting interview 1980-81, 1989. People's Commissar of Agriculture (1938-1958) Benediktov I.A. Quote: "1. Yes, mistakes were made, mistakes were made, in any business one cannot do without them. But the truth is that in the 30s incomparably fewer such mistakes were made than today, and the climate in science itself was more healthy, creative and, if you like, moral.At least then true scientists made the weather, today - mediocrity and mediocrity, who created an environment in which true scientists simply suffocate.I judge, of course, from agricultural science, but the situation is about the same everywhere ...

    Tens, hundreds of useless institutions, "self-employed" institutions, millions of idlers, whole days of beatings, monopoly clans of "celebrities" who divided science into spheres of influence and unite efforts only to get rid of talented "outsiders" - that’s to you is a real, not a tinsel, picture of today's science, which, of course, is “free” from Stalin’s “violence and diktat”! And try an honest person to bring here at least some order, clean up the scientific sphere from the parasitic elements, every trash — immediately screams to the whole world: guard, return to 1937, vicious and condemned methods of “cult”!
    1. Down House
      Down House 18 December 2015 21: 09
      +1
      Quote: Vital1
      The People's Commissar of the NKVD had a salary of 3500, and a miner to a maximum of 8000 rubles.

      Well, enough fairy tales - well, not a single person then, except for the mentally ill, will go then instead of calm work of a miner to go to a firing people's commissar!
      Therefore, here it is necessary to understand - God forbid, one miner received these 8000 from 1000 and that "Stakhanov", and from the People's Commissar it is guaranteed, apart from "3500" and "state dacha" and a driver and servants, and private schools and a private plane for "Mineral Water" 5 times a year laughing
  11. Reducer
    Reducer 18 December 2015 07: 36
    14
    Without a change of course, a declaration to the surviving population of the coherent goals of the state, a national idea, and practical evidence to the declared — NO WILL.
    In the meantime, the scheme: Putin - throws advertising slogans (people are already going with delight), Dimka - cuts unfinished (10% are happy - remember Lenin's "10% of the population of Russia is enough for us" during the war communism. That's the irony of fate!)
    1. Former
      Former 18 December 2015 11: 13
      +7
      +100500! Entirely and fully support!
      The people are tired of the notorious "HPP" (Putin's cunning plan), tired of the "Personality Cult" of the Great and Mighty (Stalin nervously smokes on the sidelines).

      He wrote more than once:
      - Turn to the people, explain what and how and why, just ask:
      -Muzhiki, this shnyaga happened, you need to DO, sorry for the jambs.
      The answer is, WE WILL DO!

      But all these are silly dreams.
      The "government" does not need literate people who are sick for the cause and the people - those who are now in power, like a scab, dried on an open festering wound - remove it will hurt, but it will heal and maybe even no scars will remain!

      And on the topic ...
      Business executives, competent techies, a dime a dozen!
      I repeat again
      -Take as "managers" those with whom I went through 8 oil and one gas fields, take our OKS engineer, Nikolai, who is not only well versed in his business, but also "forgive", "will fuck up" anyone, not looking at ranks and ranks.

      Well, do you want to raise Industry?
      We have such a man, in the "oil industry", who will raise any construction site, any business!
      Rude and harsh (God forbid he fell under the hot hand!), But if he gets down to business, he will build anything!

      Many people know him well - Alexander Nikolaevich Ermolaev (grandfather Yermolai), although he is already old (over 70), but CAN!
  12. Riv
    Riv 18 December 2015 07: 51
    19
    The arguments of the author are ridiculous and naive.
    Remember the clown Nikulin? Well, he also starred in the "Diamond Hand". By the way, he fought on the Leningrad front. At war from the first day to the last. He has very curious memories of the pre-war army. The chief arrives with a check and gives completely senseless commands during the exercises. The soldiers know the Charter by heart, but the commander of the unit in the arrangement walks in shorts. During a sudden check, the clerk, drunk in the zyuzu, is thrust under the car and he receives gratitude from the division commander: "One in the whole unit is busy with business." And during the war, the command of the unit changes and the anti-aircraft battery begins to fight well. The carelessness and inability disappear somewhere.

    That is, it is useless to wait for a breakthrough in a responsible post to make a breakthrough. It must be changed. Even if the colonel is a lieutenant, it will not be worse. It's not about the managers, but at those who appoint them.
    1. Moore
      Moore 18 December 2015 08: 35
      +8
      The example with Nikulin shows something different than just a declaration of the need to replace "bad" with "good".
      It's just that with the outbreak of the war, the external conditions essentially changed - the "peacetime commanders" with their "economy" and "what do you want?" steel is not just unnecessary - steel is harmful.
      The same thing now: for the First, the external conditions have not changed in such a way that the fact of the presence of mediocrity and outright pests at the helm began to lead to disaster.
      Yes, for the amusement of the public, someone is periodically "chmyr". But the name of the untouched is legion.
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    3. Roman Skomorokhov
      18 December 2015 09: 10
      +2
      Quote: Riv
      The arguments of the author are ridiculous and naive.


      Laugh, since something else is not available to you according to your skills.

      Quote: Riv
      it is useless to expect that the slob in the important post will make some kind of breakthrough. It must be changed. Let even the colonel on the lieutenant - will not be worse. It's not about the managers, but about those who appoint them.


      Ah, yes, of course, Putin is to blame for everything ...

      I ask a specific question: for whom today, right now, to change Ulyukaev? Do you have options? Or just the air is shaken?

      I like your approach and others like you. "Medvedev in the furnace!" "Down with Putin!" and stuff like that. But it is worth asking - and who in return - and that's it, the drain is complete. It's none of our business.

      We had here one such ardent anti-Putin, Valera DMB-88, so in order not to play the ban, because he got the whole administration with his whining, the option was offered - give the candidate. As a bet / dispute. So he preferred the ban.

      Stink in the comments, of course, easier.
      1. Quager
        Quager 18 December 2015 10: 18
        +4
        Glazyev has an interesting program.
      2. Riv
        Riv 18 December 2015 10: 22
        12
        To whom to exchange Ulyukaev? On me. I will steer like Lavrenty Palych.

        By the way, it's good that you mentioned Ulyukaev. Let me quote the wiki article: "In 1991-1992, he was an economic adviser to the Russian government. Member of Yegor Gaidar's" team ". In my opinion, exhaustive. Not a "player", not a "piece", not even a "pawn". "Member". :(
        This, again, is a quote from Wikipedia ...

        And yet, yes: Medvedev in the furnace.
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 18 December 2015 11: 25
          +1
          Quote: Riv
          To whom to exchange Ulyukaev? On me. I will steer like Lavrenty Palych.

          Sit better at home! stop
          1. Riv
            Riv 18 December 2015 11: 44
            +2
            Oh, damn it! I’ve already tuned in. Lists began to compile, you know ...
            1. IS-80
              IS-80 18 December 2015 11: 57
              0
              Quote: Riv
              Oh, damn it! I’ve already tuned in. Lists began to compile, you know ...

              Transcriptional?
              1. Riv
                Riv 18 December 2015 12: 03
                +1
                Good term.
                1. IS-80
                  IS-80 18 December 2015 15: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: Riv
                  Good term.

                  Satrap! Tiran! laughing
        2. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 18 December 2015 12: 57
          +1
          Quote: Riv
          By the way, it’s good that you mentioned Ulyukaev

          To replace Lyulyukaev, Katasonov, why not a candidate?
          Naibulin to Dmitriev.
      3. AID.S
        AID.S 18 December 2015 11: 09
        11
        Quote: Banshee

        Ah, yes, of course, Putin is to blame for everything ...

        I ask a specific question: who today, right now, to change Ulyukaev?

        But tell me, is it normal when the President cannot find a replacement for Ulyukaev? Is Ulyukaev a screw in a debugged mechanism or a diamond uncut among gems in the government? If there are some Ulyukaevs to replace them, then who is to blame, if there is no one to replace, then who is the price worthless?
        Who, if not the boss, should be responsible for his team?
        1. syndicalist
          syndicalist 18 December 2015 13: 01
          +6
          I consider it a humiliation for the country and people to claim that there is no alternative to someone, be it Ulyukaev or Putin
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 18 December 2015 13: 33
          +3
          But tell me, is it normal when the President cannot find a replacement for Ulyukaev?


          It only means that the President is satisfied with the work of Ulyukayev, as well as Serdyukov. Well, I went too far, but I did a useful job, so it's still "my own".
      4. Heritologist
        Heritologist 18 December 2015 13: 39
        +1
        Quote: Banshee
        Ah, yes, of course, Putin is to blame for everything ...

        I ask a specific question: for whom today, right now, to change Ulyukaev? Do you have options? Or just the air is shaken?

        All the same, surprisingly it turns out ... You yourself outlined the problem and personally I really liked the article.
        But in the light of your comments, it seems to me that it is your uncertain position that causes only air shock.
      5. Reducer
        Reducer 18 December 2015 14: 05
        +4
        Quote: Banshee

        Ah, yes, of course, Putin is to blame for everything ...
        I ask a specific question: for whom today, right now, to change Ulyukaev? Do you have options? Or just the air is shaken?
        I like your approach and others like you. "Medvedev in the furnace!" "Down with Putin!" and stuff like that. But it is worth asking - and who in return - and that's it, the drain is complete. It's none of our business.
        ... Of course it’s easier to stink in the comments.


        The question is not whom to change, but for what?
        For what will a super-professional manager work? Why do the men work in the wells? For what the remnants of people on earth, in the villages today will stop drinking and get down to business? For the sake of what the youth will attend to their technical education and stand up for the machines and "drawing boards"? For what and who did the officers and soldiers die, die and still die?

        For the owners of retail chains who rarely come to the country? For the "jackets", which under the cameras, the hell will turn red? For the sake of Lukoil, Gazprom, etc. got contracts?
        Well, with the "stink in the comments" you are clearly overdone. Don't you think?
      6. fraer
        fraer 18 December 2015 14: 11
        +1
        Quote: Banshee
        I like your approach and others like you. "Medvedev in the furnace!" "Down with Putin!" and stuff like that. But it is worth asking - and who in return - and that's it, the drain is complete. It's none of our business.

        These are near-minded people who do not see beyond their nose.
        Assume the unthinkable what Riv offers. Changed the manager. Suppose Putin was Putin. What changed? Nothing. The system then remained the same. what
        1. Riv
          Riv 18 December 2015 14: 53
          +4
          Right. What difference does it make if the grand dukes are plundering the army budget, or with the letter "S"? No. And it's not even a matter of the production method. In the end, Alexander Vasilyevich smashed the Turk with yesterday's serfs under his command. It's about responsibility.
  13. Aleksander
    Aleksander 18 December 2015 07: 58
    +6
    A certain paradox is that today's top leaders are not hereditary officials. Putin is from a working-class family, Medvedev's grandfathers are peasants, Matvienko is a pharmacist from Shepetovka, so the "lift" worked, but the system "builds in" them itself ....
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 18 December 2015 11: 25
      +6
      - All the figures you named come from the USSR ... And just the workers and peasants lived in it, there simply weren’t any others ... Ah, the intelligentsia is still to blame! The then society was considered classless! And it was growth within the same social layer.
      - In our time, the "social lift" must "carry" the passenger from the proletarians (?) To the bourgeois ... and this is much more difficult ...
  14. Fox
    Fox 18 December 2015 08: 01
    +4
    social elevator: guamno FLOPS UP. that's all the wisdom. not finding themselves in creation, they climb into the leadership. in the Ministry of Internal Affairs it is now. who was "nobody", sat out and became the chief through the same limited personnel officer, having passed 3-4 attestations and now he doesn’t need sensible ones: what if they’ll sit down?! in production it’s the same. type, what is there to lead, blow, but press! ... (c)
  15. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 18 December 2015 08: 09
    +5
    Naturally, this situation cannot last long - they choose not those who are worthy and capable, but those who are “their own”.
    And just "our" people in the overwhelming majority are intellectually and mentally defective.
    And when the country is ruled by underdeveloped people who think only of their pocket, we get what we have now.
  16. Dewa1s
    Dewa1s 18 December 2015 08: 15
    0
    Quote: vladimirZ
    To restore this "influx of fresh blood" to the government and the "elite", you need to return to the foundations of Soviet power

    Well, how is the Soviet government doing?
    And, exactly, the USSR no longer exists ...
  17. Zomanus
    Zomanus 18 December 2015 08: 17
    +3
    Yes, the question is very topical.
    I already suggested that an official from a certain level would be
    constantly under conditional article for theft.
    That in case the term conditional was automatically replaced by a real one,
    with confiscation to the level of social minimum.
    And he answered that he would not only be for himself, but also for his kin.
    Then you can get rid of at least those
    who is eager to steal precisely into power.
    Workers provide a social minimum guaranteed.
    Moreover, by bank transfer, that would not be
    the temptation to spend money.
    That is, housing, garden, school, vocational school, treatment.
    And all this by bank transfer and at the highest level.
    Plus compulsory employment of a young specialist.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 18 December 2015 08: 25
      +2
      Quote: Zomanus
      I already suggested that an official from a certain level would be
      constantly under conditional article for theft.

      There is such a fantastic novel, with the name I can confuse, the essence is this - everyone could serve the term in advance and then commit the crime, depending on the gravity of the crime, he was deducted from the sentence :-)
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        18 December 2015 09: 12
        +2
        Yes, there is. But they sat there on a specific article. "Term in advance" is called.

        What are you talking about? Each governor pre-plant something? Or sat in a chair - get term conditionally?

        And an interesting option, by the way.
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        2. Quager
          Quager 18 December 2015 10: 27
          +5
          It is necessary to introduce a coefficient of a measure of responsibility for the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, for officials and top managars in the state. enterprises, the higher the position and salary, the longer the deadlines to give! And then we have insanity: got steal sneakers received 4 years, plundered the entire army - amnesty!
        3. avva2012
          avva2012 18 December 2015 18: 32
          0
          If we continue the literary theme, there was such a novel by R. Sheckley "A ticket to the planet Tranai". So, over there, each official had something like a collar, in which there was a small bomb. If any of the residents had complaints, then the button under the corresponding position was simply pressed. How, such an option?
        4. yuriy55
          yuriy55 19 December 2015 06: 28
          -1
          Quote: Banshee
          Yes, there is. But they sat there on a specific article. "Term in advance" is called.

          What are you talking about? Each governor pre-plant something? Or sat in a chair - get term conditionally?

          And an interesting option, by the way.


          On the topic with a caveat about "everything new is well forgotten old":
          Remember the movie "Brother-2" ?. There, a man periodically comes to Mr. Belkin (a villain whose son reads a good poem) and asks about business. In light of this, a person from the KGBE structures (above is the decryption) should periodically come to the governor (whether the mayor, another official) and be so keenly interested in "How long?" and "Why the heck?" Without any warnings, without calls ... For a preventive conversation ... at any working time ...
          It would be enough. yes
      2. saygon66
        saygon66 18 December 2015 11: 29
        +2
        - In China, until recently, a system worked according to which leaders of various ranks, after 3 years of work, went to the camp for a year, to physical work - so as not to break away from the people!
        1. Down House
          Down House 18 December 2015 21: 12
          0
          Quote: saygon66
          China, until recently, the system worked

          And then apparently this "system" was canceled and the "Great Economic Miracle" began fellow
  18. AID.S
    AID.S 18 December 2015 08: 20
    +4
    Social elevators in Russia / the USSR began to work when turned on from above, and during periods of sharp modernization, development. Is this the period now? Does Putin need this? I think not. He is rather for the evolutionary path of Russia's development. And this is according to Darwin.
  19. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 18 December 2015 08: 23
    +5
    "Just leave Chubais. For life. So that there is where to poke your fingers." Liked! The joke was successful!
    The right topic. No matter how hard we live, but if there is a prospect for us, or at least for our children, society and the state will self-clean and improve.
  20. Begemot
    Begemot 18 December 2015 08: 27
    12
    Not for that, for 25 years officials built their pyramid of state freebie to give way to different upstarts. If we talk about Peter 1, he had to chop heads with his own hands, in the literal sense, without quotes. Say things have changed a lot? - you are mistaken, Stalin had to do the same thing all 80 years ago, and Putin or his follower will have to, if, of course, they want to save Russia. Maybe the guts should be released and it won’t be enough, expulsions with complete confiscation will suffice, but something like that will have to be used, the official will not give up so easily, and let him continue to drink blood directly from the vein - it’s like death, and so there’s a pallor on his face showed up.
    1. Down House
      Down House 18 December 2015 21: 20
      0
      Quote: Begemot
      they will want to save Russia.

      You don’t bury Russia ahead of time, and everything will be fine!
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 19 December 2015 06: 36
        +1
        You don’t bury Russia ahead of time, and everything will be fine!


        Most importantly, we don’t bury her! And, most importantly, do not ruin her !!! Even to the best of our ability, we contribute to its prosperity. Most of them are not those who did not live in the harsh conditions of real life in the Russian hinterland ...
        To cheer up, take a look:
  21. moskowit
    moskowit 18 December 2015 08: 30
    +7
    I agree with the author. For the "social elevator" to work, one condition is necessary, equal starting opportunities. And now this chain is broken. A talented person "from the bottom" is no longer needed by anyone and there is nobody to "promote" him. "Prestigious" education is received not by those who should, but by those who can afford it. And as you know, the state does not always replace the ability. In addition to abilities, moral and volitional qualities are also important. That's the trouble with this.
    1. Down House
      Down House 18 December 2015 21: 23
      -2
      Quote: moskowit
      For the "social lift" to work, one condition is necessary, equal starting opportunities.

      No.
      There are such "concepts" as Intergenerational mobility and the Degree of Vertical Mobility - and what you are talking about is anarchy and the end of culture.
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 19 December 2015 06: 45
        +1
        Quote: Down House
        Quote: moskowit
        For the "social lift" to work, one condition is necessary, equal starting opportunities.

        No.
        There are such "concepts" as Intergenerational mobility and the Degree of Vertical Mobility - and what you are talking about is anarchy and the end of culture.


        Fortunately, the main life in our country is not organized "according to concepts" and did not turn to "anarchy" in any way ... yes

        Here Nikolai Ivanovich correctly noted about equal starting opportunities, it can only be added: "... and equal responsibility before the law of all citizens, regardless of social status"
        wink
  22. kostik1301
    kostik1301 18 December 2015 08: 34
    +3
    After reading the article, I realized this, EdRo time to change the sign to ONF, and at the same time the Chubais servant of the GDP only ........
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 19 December 2015 07: 04
      0
      Oh, is it ?! Is it that simple? It is enough, for a start, for the laws developed in the State Duma to be adopted by true representatives from the peoples of the Russian Federation, and not by "list" and "vertebrates" ...

      For starters, a referendum on major issues, and only then life, according to the will.

      In my opinion, our means of communication are quite developed, the president needs to choose an hour or two a month to listen to questions from the population of the country (like the "Glasnost Booth"), even if chosen by "editors" (and who would argue that it will be representatives of the ONF ?!). Answers to questions should be broadcast on Vesti. This is more effective than "Wasserman's Reaction" and "Mikhalkov's monologues." And the State Duma is already starting to work not on its own, but on the basis of something specific.

      Then there will be a law on corruption with specific proposals, and a law banning smoking, and "PLATO" (and not some "ANTON" or "TRIFON") ...

      Not everything in our country depends on Putin, although not a little. There are enough fools and grabbers on the ground. They hid behind a ticket "EP" and glasses of a car and "throw up their hands." The closer the president's contact with citizens is, the more honest this dialogue is, the more often, before throwing out some nonsense, a state official will think ...

      I’m such an idealist ... hi
  23. Million
    Million 18 December 2015 08: 42
    +6
    The article is good, but in order for something to change in this direction, the desire of the first persons of the state is needed, but they do not seem to need it
  24. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 18 December 2015 08: 50
    10
    Of course, the article and the problem itself are very topical ... The wife’s sister works in the department of the regional government. And he says that many talented people work in posts there. But, they are forced to work in such a way that would not inadvertently infringe on the interests of someone higher! Otherwise, a social toilet, and-out!
    And the popular front will work, it won’t, but if the initiative to create it came from above, it will definitely become a branch of united Russia, and everything will remain in its circles!
  25. KBR109
    KBR109 18 December 2015 08: 51
    +8
    All brothers speak correctly. The general impression is this: a rare hopelessness in the country. And the president in circulation added - MEDVEDEV'S GOVERNMENT SUCCESSFUL. negative belay wassat No words - just drooling and mate.
  26. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 18 December 2015 08: 57
    11
    The novel, I read it into a choked-up - until I reached the ONF .. I don’t really believe in this strange "revolution from the top" more like another populism and demagogy, especially on the eve of elections with an ambiguous year ahead .. hi
  27. pinhead
    pinhead 18 December 2015 09: 05
    +3
    a little boy riding an elevator
    all is well ... only the cable broke ...
  28. Gardamir
    Gardamir 18 December 2015 09: 05
    0
    The article is certainly true, but who says goodbye alone. welcome to others? And for whom is this task a prospect?
  29. xorgi
    xorgi 18 December 2015 09: 09
    +5
    I agree with the article. But I believe that the ONF is also not a panacea, but a kind of backup personally to the president. I need a system, I don’t know which one.
    Also a small remark, the author did not mention the available social elevators: army, science, education. And another amendment, a social elevator serves to change social status, but not to enter the elite. In Soviet times, these two systems were connected, the author gave good examples, but in tsarist times (I mean 19th century), these systems were different, for example, it was impossible to become a Grand Duke or Emperor. Therefore, social elevators work with us, with a creak, slipping, but they work, but the change of elites doesn’t, well, or only at separate levels.
  30. My address
    My address 18 December 2015 09: 13
    12
    Any complex system normally works only if there is negative feedback. For example, if It is a law not only from radio, electrical engineering, but also the science of management.

    More on management. For any workplace (in the sense of where people work with their hands, or with their heads, etc.) there should be a job description. It describes: why this place exists; subordination; interaction; RESPONSIBILITIES, RIGHTS, RESPONSIBILITY. And with the growth of RESPONSIBILITY (occupying a higher position), RIGHTS must grow (the master issues a task, the head of the department manages, the director orders. dismissal, the director of the premium and monetary value for damage and freedom in a group accident (pah-pah, that was not)). It is impossible to leave RESPONSIBILITY to the minister at the level of a locksmith, or even to deduct from the responsibility for billions of dollars of damage, and only because of their own to the president. Remember, the Prime Minister of Singapore said that in order to increase the welfare of the country, it is necessary to plant three friends, but to plant for the cause? And what did Singapore become with him?

    And what about Russia? And in Russia, a violation of the basic laws of control. And conscious. I assure you, all managers are taught the basics of management or in the university, or on courses. What to do? Roll United Russia elections. But to come to the polls to the maximum. There is a hardest anecdote for the election - The Central Election Commission reports that privileges are provided for supporters of the EP - they may not go to the polls, tick off where they should be, they will be paid for them.
    1. My address
      My address 18 December 2015 10: 02
      +6
      In addition. On learning the basics of management.

      At the enterprise where he worked, management personnel were trained from the beginning. departments and above. At the final lesson, a woman, a teacher from Chelyabinsk, decided to test her knowledge by asking a problem: "At the enterprise, a woman disabled a complex machine. The one who did this approached the boss and confessed. Her first words were:" I didn't know-a- ah! ". Now each write what her boss should do." Then the teacher read the sentences. The softest part was in compensation for damage and leaving at work, because she herself confessed. Other proposals ranged from demotion to dismissal, but always with compensation. But it turned out that it was a real case, I don't remember at which European company, and the boss concluded: the woman is not to blame, SHE DIDN'T KNOW, HER WAS BADLY LEARNED! In general, the teacher was extremely unhappy. For information - my friend did not pass his answer, but read it at the end. He offered to express gratitude to the woman for her honesty.
      And it happened also because at the selector before study they said that although study is not needed, the plant will not pass ISO certification without it. What is really surprising if the fashion for answers: "Don't like it? Nobody keeps you at work". And yet, in the job descriptions, the responsibility of the head of departments and workshops began to decrease. It is no secret that they write their own CI. Are ministers and others more honest?
      1. Down House
        Down House 18 December 2015 21: 29
        -1
        Quote: My address
        SHE DIDN'T KNOW HER TEACHED BAD!

        Come on, she’s just stupid and she didn’t understand anything. laughing
    2. Down House
      Down House 18 December 2015 21: 27
      -1
      Quote: My address
      Remember, the Prime Minister of Singapore said that in order to increase the country's prosperity, you need to put three friends, but put them to work?

      I'll tell you "for the prime minister" - to say what he said, but Singapore is a country of victorious Triads, like South Korea Chaebols - and this is the only reason for the absence of corruption in these countries - these are countries of victorious "corruption" fellow
  31. iv-nord
    iv-nord 18 December 2015 09: 15
    +4
    There is a person - honest, educated, creative, knowledgeable, respected in the team, loving his work and homeland. Ideally, an excellent middle manager. As soon as it goes up, pitfalls open.
    The vertical of power. How many large managers got to the dock (and how many still didn't)? And vertically, how many lower-ranking managers worked for them in a team? But already spoiled. Because the majority knew and kept quiet, and some helped and were direct participants in the crimes. Among them, a lot of competent and strong specialists. They cherish the promotion? I would not want to.
    The position is appointed on the recommendation. A person becomes part of a team of a higher leader. And he must fulfill, possibly, incorrect (and suddenly criminal) orders. He knows how and what needs to be done better, but you won’t jump over your head. So - go over the heads?
    It is necessary to defend one’s opinions, not only competently and reasonably, but also by cunning, resourcefulness, bending somewhere, and where by “throat-fists”. Recognize all trends in the organization, who is friend - who is foe. To be able and have the strength and courage to use all this.

    Will this person be able and willing - honest, educated, etc. go into power?

    They say that man’s power spoils, but this is not entirely true. If the person is rotten, then yes.

    But most of the leaders in Russia are true patriots and honest, good people. And there are still many who are not afraid of responsibility, and hard work will come to high positions. Only they need to be well looked for or educated?
    1. AID.S
      AID.S 18 December 2015 11: 28
      +4
      Quote: iv-nord

      But most of the leaders in Russia are true patriots and honest, good people.


      People are like people. They love money, but it has always been ... Mankind loves money, no matter what it is made of, whether from leather, from paper, from bronze or gold. Well, frivolous ... well, then ... ordinary people ... in general, resemble the former ... the housing issue only spoiled them ...
      Mikhail Bulgakov, "The Master and Margarita"

      Without words...
    2. Heritologist
      Heritologist 18 December 2015 13: 56
      +1
      Quote: iv-nord
      The position is appointed on the recommendation. A person becomes part of a team of a higher leader. And he must fulfill, possibly, incorrect (and suddenly criminal) orders. He knows how and what needs to be done better, but you won’t jump over your head.

      Something was remembered ... The metaphor in my opinion is relevant.
  32. standing
    standing 18 December 2015 09: 26
    +9
    Any monarch from time to time carried out a "cleanup" of his inner circle (sometimes, down to his own children). In this way, he often retained his own power and strengthened the budget by seizing what was stolen. Why am I?
  33. Wolka
    Wolka 18 December 2015 09: 41
    0
    everyone should do their own thing, well, the cook cannot manage the state, even if you crack, who does not agree, prove the opposite, and therefore the staff must be trained properly, constantly and patiently, cherished and cherished, but not spoiled, stimulated, yes, but not otherwise through responsibility and demand is tough
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 18 December 2015 11: 50
      +4
      who disagree prove otherwise
      half of those who sit in high chairs are anyway cooks. All their merit, were once close to the one for whom they are now their own.
    2. saygon66
      saygon66 18 December 2015 12: 01
      +3
      - "We are not utopians. We know that any laborer and any cook are not able to immediately enter the government of the state. ... but we demand an immediate break with the prejudice that only the rich are able to govern the state, to conduct the everyday work of government. , or officials taken from wealthy families. We demand that training in state administration be carried out by class-conscious workers and soldiers and that it should be started immediately, that is, all workers, all the poor, are immediately involved in this training. "(C)
      - Like this ...
  34. Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg 18 December 2015 09: 41
    +1
    Novel. I’ll be relentless, it’s time to create a public organization. Enough of these meaningless conversations. Many in support you. So many people all over the country and not only in it!
  35. RPG_
    RPG_ 18 December 2015 09: 53
    +5
    You contradict yourself, although the general train of thought is correct. Pranishka rafted the forest along the river, and became a thunderstorm in the capitalist world. So maybe the manager can manage the rocket industry? There is probably no way to determine the criterion for the selection of frames. First you need a strong-willed person who sees people through, who will select these frames. And you need this, not even one, but several hundred.
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 18 December 2015 10: 23
      +2
      Quote: RPG_
      You contradict yourself, although the general train of thought is correct. Pranishka rafted the forest along the river, and became a thunderstorm in the capitalist world. So maybe the manager can manage the rocket industry? There is probably no way to determine the criterion for the selection of frames. First you need a strong-willed person who sees people through, who will select these frames.

      You see, it is necessary that a person at least a little try to understand the operation of the system before changing anything. And this I have never once observed in all cases, which was a witness.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 18 December 2015 11: 55
      +3
      a person who sees people through, who will select these frames.
      Yeah, I go up to Putin and say, prepare the staff to choose whom to appoint whom to remove. And he is good for me. just don’t touch these yours. and do not touch those of your own, and in those far away are your friends.
      1. Down House
        Down House 18 December 2015 21: 39
        -3
        Quote: Gardamir
        Yeah, I go up to Putin and say, prepare the staff to choose whom to appoint whom to remove. And he is me

        And he to you, and who are you anyway? hi
  36. Denis81
    Denis81 18 December 2015 10: 10
    +7
    These "defective managers" are deputies in economics and simple lawyers both in terms of their level of thinking and outlook. This was the case in Soviet times. Can you imagine where we would fly if the chief designer Korolev or Tupolev was the head of the design department of some kind of LLC now ???. Decisions should be made by people who do not prioritize immediate cost savings, but see the end result. The bottom line is to be able to think strategically. It is not given to them, with the modern level of humanitarian education.
    1. Down House
      Down House 18 December 2015 21: 42
      0
      Quote: Denis81
      That was in Soviet times.

      Exactly.
      But in a capitalist society, where the point of any business in making a profit is the other way around - economists know better than engineers how to make money fellow
  37. IS-80
    IS-80 18 December 2015 10: 13
    +3
    As I understand it, Comrade Skomorokhov joined the ONF? Well, then the breakthrough is just around the corner. Putin now has someone to lean on. A bunch of Lavrov, Shoigu, Rogozin and Skomorokhov will restore order in the country and around the world.
  38. corn
    corn 18 December 2015 10: 16
    +2
    It’s easier to get to the top only in the time of revolutionary transformations, but how much crap then pops up.
  39. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 18 December 2015 10: 21
    +6
    Good article, all right to the bullseye.
    It is necessary to change the team that runs the country.
    To start, two things:
    1) the team of effective managers must be replaced by a team of efficient production workers. A manager is one who seeks to get a momentary financial result, built on savings in production. As a result, production does not develop. An efficient production worker is a specialist with experience in developing production.
    2) in the country's leadership not to allow economists who studied in the West - they were taught there so that Russia would be a dependent appendage of the West, and these economists will never violate the fundamentals driven into their heads.
    3) amend the law in order to deprive people of the possibility of ever occupying any positions in the civil service and compulsory confiscation and settlement in remote areas — let them study the consequences of their activities for the people and the state in their own skin for about 10 years.
    Yesterday, I was simply enraged by the energy sector with its initiatives to pump money out of the population. Where did they get the consumption rate of 150 kW? And they all blame on light bulbs, people don’t turn off the lights! But what about the heaters that turn on, because it’s cold, but there is no heating? Like water heaters, did anyone bypass the periodic shutdown of hot water? The number of family members is different, okay, if 150 kW for 2, and if 6 people, and 4 rooms? Children play, adults do household chores, someone has a rest - they put everyone in the same room, turn on 1 light bulb and let them swear? About the disabled, that there will be no limit for them, how will they do it if the family has 3-6 people? No way, but patients really need more e / energy, this is an additional frequent wash, heat for people with little movement, and even sleepless nights.
    I don’t even want to talk about the monthly fee. And before electricity was supplied without wires? Yes, everything is included in the tariffs several times, this initiative of power engineers is to rob the already poor population. And they brazenly talk about increasing profits, this is not profit, this is an increase in fees from the population in order to drive some into poverty, in order to increase the super-richness of others.
    Look at the landline phones have introduced a subscription fee, now few people use them, and people will come up with something with electricity.
    Effective managers, with their requisitions and greed, are destroying the economy, tormenting the people, weakening the country. They need to be driven, and the sooner, the more chances are to become an independent state.
    1. Down House
      Down House 18 December 2015 21: 45
      -1
      Quote: olimpiada15
      As a result, production does not develop.

      What are you ?! Business is developing and income is growing, while production is not developing belay
      Quote: olimpiada15
      no economists trained in the West should be allowed into the country's leadership

      Well, in China, for example, there are ALSO economists who studied in the West in the leadership, but what’s wrong with that ?!
      Quote: olimpiada15
      the greater the chances of becoming an independent state.

      We are already an independent state - do not worry.
  40. Nonna
    Nonna 18 December 2015 10: 23
    +9
    In Russia, bread places are distributed 300 years in advance to relatives of the 7th tribe. No one will give way to any outstanding child prodigy. If you can, you will do everything yourself - both yourself and the business. and not in order to come to government agencies to work for the people, but in order to ten times their material wealth. This bureaucratic monolith holds its ranks very tightly. The author said correctly, although not all - missed a lot. He simply outlined a topic for discussion. When communicating a lot in social networks, you don’t need to be a strong analyst - people are dissatisfied with internal politics, people are impoverished, enterprises are shut down. people save literally on everything. It seems like they have risen a little in recent years and are sliding down again. 24 years have passed since the collapse of the USSR, which they have not survived. And again, all in a new way? Hurray-patriotism is tired of worse than the bitter radish. Putin’s speech yesterday disappointed, left behind Medvedev Ulyukaev and other Bandera in the power of a medal to hang up for the betrayal and genocide of the Russian people.
  41. standing
    standing 18 December 2015 10: 28
    +9
    Still, there was something like that in socialism. For example, a guy is working on a machine. Works well, Komsomol member, drummer, winner of socialist competition. And at the meeting of the asset, the boy is rushed to reward. And they reward. Komsomol voucher to the university. Moreover, no one asked the boy about his desire. I dare to think that having received an education and returning to his native plant, this person could become a very good leader. There you are: cook, cook. I worked in the 80s in a not very open enterprise. The head of the workshop was a leader, as they say, from God. Now he is gone, bright memory. He had three (!) Education classes and was one of those "boys".
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 18 December 2015 11: 48
      +5
      - I agree! But then the State had a different approach to staff training! After the 8-th class in vocational schools, or technical school, after the 10-th in high schools, even if you really learn laziness - to the factory, car park, farm: they will be trained on the spot! It was impossible not to work, not to study ... It was a simple system, but effective!
    2. Down House
      Down House 18 December 2015 21: 47
      -2
      Quote: standing
      That works, for example, the guy on the machine.

      Quote: standing
      And at the meeting of the asset they decide to reward the kid. And reward. Komsomol ticket to the university.

      And from a good locksmith, a bad engineer is obtained - the principle of Peter - “In a hierarchical system, each individual tends to rise to the level of his incompetence” fellow
  42. tokens2
    tokens2 18 December 2015 10: 40
    +7
    And in the future, the history of Russia knows a lot of similar examples. With different emperors and empresses, the essence was the same - the influx of "fresh blood" contrary to established traditions. It is impossible not to recall Mikhail Lomonosov, and Stepan Makarov, and Nikolai Zhukovsky.

    An exception is a supporting rule.
    Well, is it really not clear that today's bureaucracy is conditionally noblemen of the 21st century?
    If earlier they became nobles in battles, now they are "appointed".
    Excuse the author. But ... the current party will abhor today's Suvorov or Lomonosov.
    Rather, Al Capone will become his own for a Russian official. By the way, he was far from a stupid person.
    This is the maximum that the Russian government is capable of "pouring in".
    And this is in the 21st century !!! In the age of supercomputers. Yes, take pity on the brilliant and talented people of Russia.
    Officials are a superfluous link. They need to distribute the land. There are too many "hands" to lead in Russia. The measure must be known.
  43. chikenous59
    chikenous59 18 December 2015 11: 07
    +3
    Gentlemen, it’s good to hammer your tongue and feel like an Internet hero!
    Let's unite, draw up our questions and suggestions, go out to peaceful rallies. The authorities will hear our words only live. They do not read comments on the Internet!
    1. castle
      castle 18 December 2015 12: 56
      0
      And how many times will these peaceful meetings be allowed to you? If allowed at all. If not, will you declare freedom of speech in kitchens? And what political and economic platform do you propose, "feasible" and without bloodshed, and how will you bring your program to the ears of the people? If it is peaceful, the state apparatus will devour you, if not peacefully, the people will not follow you. There is no point in hoping for Mr. President Putin either. He is an intelligent and experienced person. He knows what awaits him if he tries to "deal" in his circles. I have already missed the moment, inside Russia, when his headquarters were his subordinates and they obeyed him. It looks like it's already out of control. How else to explain the difference between what I see on the stock exchange and what Mr. President says in the Message to the People. And who only writes speeches for him ?!
  44. user3970
    user3970 18 December 2015 11: 08
    +7
    It seems to me that the personnel situation in the country is close to hopeless. I don’t know with what fright everyone is looking up with hope, at Putin and from him they are waiting for some incredible actions, such as the resignation of the current government, a real fight against corruption! Hello! You are stupid ? GDP - Vice President. He was appointed, and he plays the role that is prescribed in the script. Well, after all, it was voiced by the Accounts Chamber that the government did not fulfill 2/3 of the instructions of the president’s previous message. The rooster crowed, and then at least do not dawn? Or is the government not subordinate to the president? And to whom does it obey? Chubais? And who was appointed president of GDP? And to whom does Chubais obey? Windelberg Club? And what does this club say about Russia and its people? With too many people? enough and 50 million? The remaining extra time is their expense. Is Russia a gas-gas station? Well, 16 years have passed since Vasti’s GDP ... So what? Let's not touch Great Stalin. Well, even Brezhnev did orders of magnitude more for the country than GDP. It sounded that the cook could not control the state. Bullshit! Catherine 1 (widow of Peter 1) was a whore. Peter the 1st is a carpenter, his intimate friend A. Menshikov was a pastry chef, became a generalissimo, Khrushchev -4th grade of education (I do not respect, but I admit the fact that it was with him that the United States wrote boiling water from fear). And Lech Walesa without prompting the United States competently carried out privatization in Poland without robbing the people. Turn on Moscow. forum people!
    1. AID.S
      AID.S 18 December 2015 11: 39
      +3
      Quote: user3970
      It seems to me that the personnel situation in the country is close to hopeless. I don’t know with what fright everyone is looking up with hope, at Putin and from him they are waiting for some incredible actions, such as the resignation of the current government, a real fight against corruption!

      I began to read your comment with interest, on the next part of the article he began to resemble the ravings of a city madman. You do not respect those for whom you are writing, or simply do not know what it is. Choose expressions, young man! (C)
  45. Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg 18 December 2015 11: 27
    11
    A friend graduated from the Academy of Management. When he was still practicing in the district administration, he was honestly told that if there are no relatives or patrons, you will transfer pieces of paper for a penny. As a result, the manager went to a restaurant
  46. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 18 December 2015 11: 38
    13
    Who will change that? The fish has rotted from the head, the fact that the tail is alarmed and what it wants will not change anything, but for helluva smart people, Article 282 was invented - "inciting hatred or enmity, as well as humiliating the dignity of a person or a group of persons based on gender, race, nationality, language , origin, attitude to religion, as well as belonging to any social group". Officials, deputies and governors are a social group in our country, there has already been a court decision. You are to him" the governor, you are a thief and incompetent ", and he gives you a court decision for humiliation and incitement to hatred - at best a fine, at worst up to five years, and walk Vasya.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 18 December 2015 12: 41
      +5
      Quote: chunga-changa
      as well as belonging to any social group. ”Officials, deputies and governors are a social group in our country, there has already been a court decision.

      But what if you propose to replace an official with a computer "in order to improve management efficiency and labor productivity"? And a whole department with a neural network, will this already be a call to overthrow the existing government? :-)
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 18 December 2015 13: 42
        +3
        Of course, the more computers are imported and on windows, here they can solder treason.
        Although, if the tender for the supply and maintenance of computers and software is won by Igor Rotenberg, then options are possible.
  47. veksha50
    veksha50 18 December 2015 11: 59
    +3
    "And not just change, for "folk", but for appropriately prepared"...

    It would seem - what is simpler: carefully read Plato's work "On the State" - after all, everything has long been laid out on the shelves ...

    No, humanity, and specifically - today's Russia - is stepping on the same rake ...

    So I said about the simplicity of solving the problem purely in Platonic style ... But the whole problem is "just simply" in the fact that: "Who needs it?" and "Who will make it happen?" ...

    So it turns out a vicious circle: civil war - God forbid, and it remains to be seen whether it will worsen the current situation ...

    And no one will give up power peacefully ... even the Mayor's thieves in some remote village ...
    1. castle
      castle 18 December 2015 12: 30
      +6
      Old anecdote:
      "-Why do we have nothing to eat on the ship?
      -Kukhka at the helm is. "
  48. Murad05
    Murad05 18 December 2015 12: 04
    +1
    In some ways I agree with the article ...
  49. colotun
    colotun 18 December 2015 12: 40
    +4
    Article author = storyteller
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 19 December 2015 07: 09
      +1
      Quote: colotun
      Article author = storyteller


      Notice! Good storyteller ... wink
  50. Megatron
    Megatron 18 December 2015 12: 48
    0
    The problem with the nagibulina and the bear, not even that they are thieves, the same Aleksashka Menshchikov, also stole with might and main, but how much he did for the country, and that they are enemies - they deliberately ruin and destroy what they can reach.

    Putin’s position is also not clear, I remember speaking in the same vein as the author of the article, like if we plant all the thieves and officials, then there will simply be no one to work. I think this approach is absolutely counterproductive.

    But the ONF did not seem to start off badly, but now it is rotting, becoming the twin brother of Edra.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 December 2015 14: 27
      -1
      Excuse me, but what did Nagibulina and Medved steal? - "They are thieves" - do you have evidence of theft? "They deliberately destroy and destroy what they can reach" - from the same opera - that they personally destroyed?
      1. Megatron
        Megatron 18 December 2015 23: 50
        +4
        Are you probably a food guy?
        How many things did the bear make up as president, with his "innovations"?
        How then Putin returned everything back.

        Do you think the Central Bank is not to blame for such a ruble exchange rate? And in the frantic interest rates, in that he does not lend to our citizens, important industries, but invests in Western securities?
        Is this not sabotage ??? !!!

        You can go on ad infinitum.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 19 December 2015 11: 51
          -2
          We credit important production and create production, and on the account of lending to our citizens - here is another story - the debt on loans in Russia is 16 trillion rubles - it becomes risky to lend to the population for banks.
          1. Megatron
            Megatron 19 December 2015 16: 41
            +1
            Well, yes, they lend at a fabulous interest. Therefore, our goods are obtained more expensive than imported ones, when our people need to pay bonded loans, and even provide bribes at all levels. Say that you need to work according to the law? So, our laws are drafted in such a way that it is practically impossible to work without violations, and almost any breeder can bury your business if you wish.

            How is our lending structured? Our citizens go to our bank, where they receive funds at a huge interest. Because the bank does not take funds from us, but over the hill, already at a foreign exchange rate. Therefore, we have to pay double, if not triple, quitrent, simultaneously raising enemy economies. Why, instead of in the "fat" years, not invest in the domestic market, at a low interest rate, in order to have the opportunity to update the production base, infrastructure, to achieve the same import substitution, for this there were all the conditions that would have returned by now a hundredfold. But no, the government and the liberals from the economy, threw these hundreds of billions of dollars over the hill, bought enemy bonds, up to the tonsils, perfectly playing to support the Western economies, and left our people with nothing, one might say, giving them into slavery to the West. Is this not a direct sabotage?

            Now about consumer loans: give at even more extortionate interest than for business, the same "breakthrough mortgage" at a "super" interest rate - 11 per annum. For 10 years you buy another apartment for the bank, and for 20 years already two. This is a formal legalized slavery! In normal countries, 10% FOR THE FULL TIME!

            And after that, will you still justify our freaks in the government?

            I have the honor! hi
      2. yuriy55
        yuriy55 19 December 2015 07: 21
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        Excuse me, but what did Nagibulina and Medved steal? - "They are thieves" - do you have evidence of theft? "They deliberately destroy and destroy what they can reach" - from the same opera -what did they personally ruin?


        Replica from the audience:
        It cannot be in a country where there is an acute question of a lack of money in the budget, there are so many banks (for what? Has money become a means of production or a commodity for us?) And such high interest on loans that exclude any development of high-tech production ... stop

        "Medved" was set up not to steal, but to look for ways of effective development. In the meantime, he just ... did not bring a single case to (he almost blurted out "the end", everything is normal, I thought that we would turn the clock to infinity until the head fell off, yes ... most importantly, no consumption at it was not)! mind. "And not to sleep !!! And ministers who talk about an increase in GDP -" 0 and hell, "should not take a place in the government ... stop
        1. Megatron
          Megatron 19 December 2015 11: 34
          +2
          If we follow the logic of Comrade Vadim237, then Serdyukov is not a thief, his court missed a witness in the case, and Vasiliev is almost not to blame, she was immediately released!

          The rest of this cohort is also whiter than white, more honest than honest.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 19 December 2015 11: 54
          -4
          Well, let's change the ministers to others, and all of them - from this GDP will not rise - nothing will change.